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• Exploring Magic Systems and Characters with Author Richard A. Knaak
• Richard A. Knaak: Writing Fantasy and Creating Worlds

http://richardallenknaak.com/home/black-city-saint-series/

Livestreamed to YouTube and Rokfin on January 27th 2024.

and in the second part:

• Peacock Noises, Virtual Reality, and the Impact of RPGs
• Doodle Bears Face Tattoos, Rappi Ben Shapiro's Rap Career, Texas
• The Concept of Overunity and the Importance of Resources

https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/weaving-spiders-welcome/wsw-237-richard-a-knaak

In this episode, the spiders interview author Richard Knaak, known for his work in the Dragonlance and Warcraft series. Spiders discuss his inspiration for the magic systems in his books and his upcoming projects. Spiders also talk about the role of necromancers and the complexity of characters in his stories. Richard shares his experiences as a player in tabletop role-playing games and his love for creating stories.

Richard A. Knaak discusses his writing process, his love for fantasy, and his various book series, including Dragonlance and Warcraft.

In the second part, the spiders discuss various topics including peacock noises, virtual reality, and the impact of fantasy role-playing games.

Then Spiders talk face tattoo doodle bears, Ben Shapiro's rap career, the Texas secession movement, and the concept of over-unity devices (free energy?). The spiders express skepticism towards some of these ideas.

Dr. Steven Greer presents "The Lost Century", which will expose the cost of the coverup to the planet, and the human race, and how we can reclaim control of our collective destiny. 

Spoiler: it's propaganda promoting human caused climate change with half truths, fear mongering, fatalism, and the hope that an ET alien race will give humans the gift of free energy.

Chapters --

(00:00:00) Introduction and discussion about Richard Natt's background and work

(00:14:11) Richard Knaak inspiration for the magic systems in his books

(00:30:47) Richard Knaak current projects and upcoming releases

(00:43:07) The complexity of characters and the role of necromancers in Richard Knaak stories

(00:56:23) Richard Knaak experiences as a player in tabletop role-playing games

(00:59:58) Richard talks about his early love for writing and typing.

(01:00:53) Richard discusses the phenomenon of writer's block in the fantasy genre.

(01:04:20) Richard explains how he maintains consistency in his stories and fills plot holes.

(01:07:37) Richard discusses the progression of his writing from lighter fantasy to more gritty works.

(01:44:17) Discussion about peacock noises

(01:45:30) Conversation about virtual reality and its impact

(02:25:03) Doodle bears (face tattoos)

(02:28:13) Ben Shapiro's rap career

(02:31:18) Texas secession movement

(03:02:47) Overunity devices

(03:14:02) Discussion about a UFO sighting and reporting

(03:15:30) Steven Greer's claims about saving the world with free energy

(03:20:39) The hosts' skepticism towards overunity and the need for efficient power systems

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Voila. We are live. Jim did it. Jim did it.   That was Jim.  

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Rock   the   kuzba.   I heard the sheriff doesn't like this.   Tonight, we have, author Richard Natt coming in to visit with us for a few minutes after the intro.   He was   a writer in the Dragonlance,   series. He, wrote, the Dragon Realm series.   Later on, ended up, apparently, the   folks at Blizzard   thought, You know, he was impressed as impressive as I did back then, and so they picked him up and also,   Warcraft. He wrote 10 books for the Warcraft  

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series.   10 books.  

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Excellent. That's a prolific writer.  

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That is prolific.   And Do you wanna jump right in? What's up? What do you want to show? Yeah. Kick the video off so that way we're ready when, he gets  

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Alright. Here we go. Here we go, folks.  

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Here we go.   Looks like our guest is in the waiting room.  

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Very good. We can welcome them in.   About 2 more minutes left on the intro video here.   We're getting close here at the beginning.   See who's with us now.   A gentle fade out.  

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I was almost expecting a trick. It was, It was so, mellow tonight and nice.   I I I I was expecting to suddenly get blasted.  

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There was no jump scares planned at all.  

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I was waiting for it. So tonight  

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And waiting for us here,   about to bring him in   is Richard Nack.   Many years ago   when I'd hurt my back,   and spent some   time laid up, I went and grabbed some Books because I knew I was gonna be laid up for a while.   So I grabbed about 20 books, and one of them was legend of humor.   And,   that started me down the road of the fantasy genre, and   his books were absolutely phenomenal.   I love the Dragon Realm series.   And then, coincidentally,   the store that I usually went to, uncle Hugo's in, Minneapolis,   Because that was a used bookstore, and it was also uncle Edgar's, which was mystery books.   And it was used so I could go trade in my books, Buy new books,  

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absolutely awesome. And Richard would Jason, if you could hear me, I can't hear anybody.  

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You can't hear anybody?  

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First time using this?  

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We can hear   you.   Let's see here.   I think,   Richard doesn't, have his, headphones quite set up yet.  

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The sound test begins.  

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So this is, this is uncle Hugo's and uncle Edgar Edgar's.   It was always super interesting going to this   because it's it's, actually,   off of Lake Street in Chicago down by the Children's   been all in Minneapolis, which is a real rough area town.   And,   there's no parking   Around that building,   nowhere that you can really pull in and park. There's nowhere you can pull in and park.   So you're driving around   In the in the real real   rough neighborhood trying to find parking to go into a bookstore.   Everybody's looking at you like you're nuts. It's hilarious.  

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A good bookstore is a pretty sweet thing.   You're lucky to be able to   have that to go to.  

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How was my sound? You really are.  

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Your sound is good.  

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Perfect. I hear Balderson. I hear Jim. I hear.   I do hear Richard Mack as well.  

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Yeah. He just can't hear us yet.  

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Okay.   Swear as I can tell. Keep speaking.  

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Yeah. You have to choose Speaker.   The speaker  

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in audio. Yeah. I think you gotta go to the 3 dots. I'm told to keep speaking, but  

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Yeah. We do hear you. Interview, so I feel kinda silly speaking.  

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It's alright.   Thumbs up says we hear you.  

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Everything looks like   Arthur, life of me cannot find   Why I can't hear you guys?  

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Sounds good.  

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I'm glad I'm glad you guys could hear me. Really am.   But,   I'd say I'm glad to be here, but I don't think I'm quite here yet.  

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So   he's here   as in we can hear him.   So  

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Would it be, helpful to Have him jump out and then jump back in.  

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That's that's that's what I'm wondering.  

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Yeah. I just typed that into the chat.  

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Might be helpful.   Sure.   It's probably a permissions issue.  

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Oh, yeah. That's what I would with a web browser. Oh, tell him the browser's  

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Okay. I've been suggested to   even come back again. That's probably the best thing to do.   I'll see you guys hopefully in a minute.  

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Yeah.   Yes.   Chrome web browser too.  

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Some pointers. I said,   I'm super I'm super excited about, well, he can't even hear what we're saying.   I'm super excited   to hear what him.  

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Well, hopefully, this is just the,   the mysterious beginning of a wonderful time here.   But we've all had this issue. It just sucks when it happens to the feature cast, Jim. Everybody's had the issue of You're When I first came up to me,  

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I had to I can't use Brave Brave Browser,   which I used to use. Does doesn't work at all, It's your bunch of stuff recently. Yeah. So Your Chrome browser.   Maybe we should tell him to use Chrome.  

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Right. The official   Firefox.  

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Probe and Firefox are the 2 that's supposed to work good with it.  

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He's back. He's back.  

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Let him in. Here he is.  

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You hear us, Richard? Alright. Young, but I don't think anybody  

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We can hear you. Hear anybody.  

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So I'm just gonna hear anybody. You can I I know you can hear me? I can see some   but I still can't hear anybody.   Yep. Me, mister wizard.  

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Is it fun?  

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I'll bet he could hear us through YouTube,   then there would be, the 22nd delay. That won't work.   Does he have other sound on his computer?  

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This is Mike turned on. Yeah. It's not. It's Mike. It's Mike's working.  

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She's he's not getting audio.   See, you  

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weren't getting.  

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Yeah. So, basically, with being downtown like this, Pretty much. I'd go down and I'd try and get a couple weeks worth of books.   And,   Back then, it was, you know, like, paperbacks were, like, $2, so I grab, you know, I grab about 10, $12.  

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We guys just go out and run into my show.  

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Someday, I may show up. Okay.   The first time I hear you, I should say.  

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I mean, we could, we could offer to call him on the telephone.   I don't that's not a solution to get him on the air, but it's a solution to we try troubleshooting steps.  

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Oh, perhaps.  

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And then he's popped out again.  

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Someone's got a mechanical keyboard I can hear really well.   That's me. Sounds great. Type in a novel tonight.  

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Hey. Come on. I was telling him to feel free to to talk about his release before we went before he went.   Well, that that  

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Yeah. You could shoot him a message and say if he's not able to hear us, That's okay.   We can listen to   his,   his bit that he's wanting to share with us.  

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But a new I guess that's true. We don't have him come back and just   just give him a spiel. He can just give his spiel on whatever,   Yeah. What Ben said, you know,  

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so we'll see if he can get a   to do it. Talk to him. Of course. Yes.  

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I'm just trying to think of how the How we could troubleshoot? That's why I was thinking of a phone call. Yeah. I've got  

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calls   to them, then he'd hear through   the phone,   And then he could broadcast Diado   through his  

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StreamYard. Yeah. I don't I don't got his personal phone number. I just That's right. Facebook. Mean, that was that's why I said it's just an idea because we don't know if it You keep doing the please standby thing and then, you know, how long?  

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There we go. There's no audio on it.   There's a please stand by   getting the sound test all figured out. You can imagine the music I I I think maybe, apparently, we're just gonna,  

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I'll I'll message Richard throughout the week here and see if we can remedy this.  

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Yeah. Now we can try to   Sure. Yeah. It is. It's uncomfortable to try to do it live on the stream. So Yeah.  

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That's okay. Yeah.  

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And we'll just make sure he knows that we're, really sad that,   that it went this way, and then we really hope that we can resolve it and get him on another time because   This is like one of those anticlimax   cliffhanger endings.  

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Oh, man. If people only knew, like, the Dragon Realm series,   The magic systems in that   are absolutely   Phenomenal. Ears back. And, oh, he can't even.   Oh, maybe it'll work out. I can hear you. I can hear you. I hope so. Yes. Alright. You can hear us. No worries. You also.  

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Welcome to Weave Inspires. Welcome, Richard, and thank you so much for persevering with the technological  

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difficulties because we were I tried to find that old fashioned suggestion and turn the turn the laptop off and turn it back on then went in.  

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Yes. Beautiful.   Beautiful. I'm glad.   That one word. The old trusty.   Alright.   So   I was telling everybody about,   the the,   the how hairy it is getting into uncle Hugo's,   Which is,   I I got lucky because when, after I'd read legend of humor,   obviously uncle Hugo's was there in Minneapolis, and I was able to have access to a lot of books. And you used to go in there quite a bit, and there was a lot of stories about you. And What a, wonderful guy you were.   And, but to to get him to the building was Harry.   Right. Right.   To be honest,   2 of my favorite writers at the time, Raymond Feist also was probably the a real big writer at the time with his,   rift war saga. And I'd never heard nothing but bad things about meeting him. So it was very funny.  

Everybody loved you that I'd ever, met. And I like I said, I spent a lot of time in uncle Hugo's.   So   My, it's it's it's,  

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So my my, father was was transferred up there   long time ago for a for his job, and so that's why I came up to, to Minneapolis quite a lot at that time.   And, so I I naturally always wanted to stop in uncle Hugo's when I had a chance.  

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Oh, that's fantastic.   That that It was always it was always really a good place, and I'm glad that they're  

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functional again.  

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It's amazing in today's days,   to have where everybody's bookstores is,   going under to have something that's been around for so long still there and still functioning and functioning. Like you said, that's that's awesome.   And I was also talking a little bit about   The magic systems   that,   you had written into your dragon realm   series,   And that's one of the things that I found most fascinating when I was young. And we I wanted to ask,   what had inspired you?   What type of studies did you do in the magical systems   and whatnot to inspire you to make it the way you did in the Dragon Realm series?  



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Well, I was just trying to figure out, you know,   how   magic will necessarily be   Available to someone wherever they were.   And so I was trying to think of practical ways of people how they how people who are the   Wizards and such would would see the magic or instinct or instinctively feel it.   And so that's why it's one of the one of the ways that some see it and feel it is there's these lines of of basically power crisscrossing   Everything   in the entire world.   And those who use   magic, a lot of them We'll basically be able to tap into that without pretty much thinking after a after a short while.   You can eat you're either born with the ability or you can learn it, although it's harder to learn.  

But, so a lot of them are born with the ability, And then it's to the varying degrees of how of   how well you are able to tap into it.   Some others see it almost as a as a as a   a spectrum or a rainbow,   and they and they're the ones who can tend to   reach for what we'll call the, you know,   darker aspects of it?   Because, you know, obviously, the darker the energies, the darker,   in a sense, the the power you're using.   So but then so there's a couple of different ways that I show that people use in in the series.   But the the using the lines of forces is the lines of energy   is   the more common one I I that I use in there.  

And there are a few other there are other methods the other methods that I vaguely mentioned. So, like, you know, there obviously, there are different ways that people can And and characters can draw on things. There's no one or two distinct ways.   It it often has to do with where you're from, what you are.   Magic differs a little bit with the different races, for instance, in the world.  

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Fantastic.  

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Oh. Just like in reality.  

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That's right. Just like in reality. Exactly.  

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Mhmm.   And sometimes you'll find the magic will use you.  

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Yeah. I think we've all been in that Situation at least one time where you're feeling like,   circumstances beyond your control are, pushing you in a direction that you're uncertain of at least, you know. Mhmm. I took that to to an extreme in one way.  

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I talk about the founding race in the dragon realm. I never give them their actual name. They're just called the founders of the founding race.   They're from they're from who,   where in which every intelligent race has come from because, basically, they were   doing magic gene splicing   and stuff.   And their their race was dying out, so they were test. They created the thousands of little pocket worlds, and each pocket world has a different   race in it.   And every time they the the the race appears to be at a certain point,   they would draw them into what is called the dragon realm now.  

And,   unfortunately, each of these successive races has eventually failed,   although remnants will be found here and there. And   humans are descended from   a sorcerer race called the Vraad. We're not really nice people for the most part, when especially when you meet some of the survivors.   But they've developed from them, and   I'm not gonna tell you who else is descended from the because that you'd have to read the books.  

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No. That's perfect. I'm ex I've never read one of your books yet, Richard, but I'm excited with, the build up to this to,   I'm gonna I I might start where Ben started because he said that the legend of Huma   treated him so good.   And so what are you working on currently? You got something that's just getting ready to come out? Or I've got a couple of things that are they're actually  

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speaking of, Legend of Humana, Drag Lance is, is where my first published works Came out. Although, fiery Drake, the first book in the dragon realm was actually what it what got me my drag Lance work because it was some of my writing samples I showed them.   It was published a year after Yuma. But,   you could they no longer are publishing no anything   much novels or stories except Margaret West Trishikmund have managed   to get a trilogy out for separate publisher,   but I don't have that option.   But but, I found out that the DMs Guild   where the drag man setting is allowing for gaming,   They actually allow,   a certain amount of fiction in the gaming material.  

So I have just released with the help with these,   working with alongside the Dragonlance Nexus team,   what I call the journals of Kaz, the lost colony,   which has a brand new Kaz, the Minotaur story. Kaz is Minotaur   is my most iconic creation in the series, I like to think.   He he was in ledge of humor. Got his own novel after that called Chaz and Minotaur,   and then he re and he reappeared in Land of the Minotaur later on. He was also in a short story between human and Chaz called Kaz and the dragon's children.   So basically,   this new this new,   project has a new short story that takes place right after the last Time you saw him in Dragonlance   and has a whole bunch of minotaur material. So if you're a gamer who likes to use minotaurs,   There's a whole bunch of choices and and things to read about, and then there's also an adventure that's   related   to the story.  

So that just came out through. And I said it's only DM's Guild,   either PDF or hardcover.   So,   so anybody who likes my Dragon list, really check that out.  

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Awesome.  

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And then I have coming soon   The 4th novel. I write oh, in addition to epic fantasy, I write urban fantasy.   And I have a series that takes place in the roaring twenties in Chicago   Prohibition.   And essentially, it's Saint George and the dragon in Prohibition Chicago   along with some very old fashioned sort of not so nice elves   and other forces.   And it it it was I I wrote the first book about 30 years into my Career, and I've gotten my best reviews from that series all through of my whole career. So   and that'll be coming up probably around Feb it's somewhere late in February.  

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Yeah. That sounds great. I don't think I've ever read any   urban fantasy.   So that's   20 Chicago.   Bring the roaring twenties back in the in the I guess we're in the late twenties now. The second  

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let's see.   It started out around the beginning of 1925,   and I think it went to 20 late in the 26 now.   So,   and, And, yes, I managed to get a dragon in there too. It's not just Saint George. The main character's named Mick Medea. It used to be Saint George.   And, basically, he and the dragon are tied together now since he killed the darn thing.   So it's it and think of it as the snarky devil wish whispering in your ear sort of character.  

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That's great.  

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Nice. Nice. Basically, what was he Nick? And when Nick killed the dragon, he didn't know that he would he would become the the,   guardian to the gate to Faerie,   This is what the dragon was actually there for.   And so basically basically,   not only was he bound to the gate, But the gate kept moving.   Like, for instance, it was way out in the Middle East,   when he when he killed a dragon   And it kept drifting   in sort of a random western fashion   until it got to Chicago.   And just happened to be around 18/71.   And something happened that caused him to have to unleash the dragon,   And that basically   so there's a big fire, which I think we've heard about.  

And essentially, the in the in the process,   The gate got stuck   at the edge of Lake Michigan.   Nobody can see it except magical people,   but it's right there. And so he basically, he's been stuck since It's around 18/71   in Chicago.  

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Horrible.  

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The skate acting like a portal of some kind? Yeah. It it basically for the most part, you can go back and forth between it and ferry. Although, the idea is not to for many people to go through because   you don't want because there's always people on both sides who want to do things that would be bad.   Not just the pea it's not just the creatures of fear you have to watch, although that's one of Nick's big things. He has to watch out for those more murky things that slip through And they try to secrete themselves in parts of Chicago.   So he basically has to go hunting them.  

In the meantime, other other characters are trying To penetrate the gate back and forth, some human, someone else,   for various reasons.   For instance, there's,   There's the exiled king of Faerie trying to retake over Faerie, which, he was ousted by his queen.   Very, very fun people.  

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Like Oberon?  

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Actually, yes. His name is Oberon.   So you can guess what his wife's name is.  

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Titania?  

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Yeah. Although everybody calls her her lady because   if you if you mention Titania's name too often, she might just come and see what you want.  

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This   now I'm getting tempted to choose this book instead of legend of humor. What was the title, Richard? First book is called Black City Saint.  

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Okay. Black City Saint. Black City refers to the fact that at the At the, I believe it was the 18/93   exposition. I'm trying to remember that, but the, I forget what you're you're at the moment. But Chicago World's Fair?   World's Fair. Sorry.   And,   they they had put together this part of the city where everything was, like, white. Know, like like, plastered, like, looks to make it really nice.   And so some of the Yeah. Some of the, some of the newspaper people got to call saying, well, That basically referring to the untouched city as black the black city because it wasn't so nice and pretty   As this this artificial thing that they built.  

So that name so it's one of the the old nicknames for the city   of, in Chicago. And so basically, say the first book is Black City Saint   and then Black City Demon.   And when I and then the demon I'm referring to is is human,   or was anyway.   I'm not gonna mention who he is. And then Black Dragon,   and the new one is called Black City Angel.   And that'll and that's in progress, and and but it'll be it'll be out, probably, I said, probably late in March.   Hey. Hey. Excuse me. February. Only March. It's   it's fun things. I've got a shapeshifter who can't shift because he doesn't have enough magic in here. So he looks like a big kind of Irish wolfhound wolf mix.   But, and he and he loves he loves trying out human slang.  

I've got   I've got Clarice,   who is actually the   the latest reincarnation,   I should say,   of the princess that Nick saved when he was Saint George.   But for some reason, she keeps getting reborn, and for some reason,   he can never stop her from getting from dying strangely,   Which is explained in one of the books. It's like as if there would be an innocent reason for all of them.   Chicago.   And there's a lot of other creatures from fairy who   somehow are getting through, which is   Kinda being explained in the 4th book why that's keep keeps happening.   With any luck, I've got at least 2 other books in my head in terms of the Series.  

So I'd be and I've also put together one short collection of stories called Black City Tales.   And those they're they're 3 short stories, but they're all gonna be significant to the series somehow,   especially   The third one, which I won't mention the title of, but, let's just say there's a character who's who Nick thought he has gotten rid of twice and he'll discover he hasn't yet.  

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Nice.   So what's your writing process like, Richard?   I mean, this is prolific. I mean, I'm looking on Audible. I'm a I'm an audiobook junkie,   and I mean, the list just goes on and on. And they said that you were   Creating and writing,   fiction for the Warcraft series.  

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I mean, do you do you type? Do you write with a pen pen and paper? Or Oh, god. No. I have a lousy handwriting. I'm a I'm a really bad left handed person. Let's put it that way. I'm left handed too.   But,   oh, side note. I was I've been on panels at conventions,   And you could I if are if there are there 5 riders that you can say? 4 of them can be left handed,   which is as far as he gets the average.   But Interesting.   Yeah. But, anyway,   I   I was very I actually took typing in high school till when I still had it Because I wanna learn how to type because I if I was writing on notepads only,   I'd still be working on my second book or something.  

I have 63 novels out along with a lot of short fiction,   and also gaming material.   I won't run out of ideas. I'd have to live to be 150 to run out of the ideas that I haven't had right now. So   but,   about half the stuff About half the novels are my stuff and the other half have been worked for hire, which is basically what I did for Warcraft, Dragonlance,   Diablo,   Conan, Pathfinder,   and some other series.   So I like I like playing other people's worlds. I I never, You know, I as long as they they allowed me to be able to contribute something to it, that's all I'm asking.   If, like, Fred, if they had gave me a script and asked me to write it, I couldn't do that. Yeah. And and they know that. When when people have asked me to do stuff, they expect that I'm gonna,   fill out their word a little bit more. But I don't always follow what they   Went true to their world. So that's always that. But, yeah, I've written some 63 books, not all of them are audio.  

We're hoping to get more of them on there. The first book in the Dragon Realm was on there, but   only the more recent couple are on there too.   My,   my   Favorite narrator has been going through health situations,   but,   I he's, hopefully going to be working on, the Black City stuff when he's better.   So because he we we definitely wanna get that out and then go and then go back to finishing up my Rextra Konas, which Which if if for those people like Dragon Lance, Rex Treconis is basically my homage to Dragon Lance with my own additions to a whole bunch of stuff there. So   And,   lots of twists and turns. And refers   to the fact that even though there are gods, they are they have to be careful because if they Depending on what they do, they have to answer to the king of dragons   who's even bigger than them.  

So and that's what actually the whole the whole saga refers to.   The the dragon has not been seen for a while and there's a couple of gods trying to do things,   which is basically gonna cause havoc to the whole   land that you see around there.   And part of the reason is that some of them want to find Was apparently the only thing that can kill the king of dragons.   May whether or not that's true, we'll find out.  

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There's lots of lots of good spoiler I mean, not spoilers, but teasers.   It's it's definitely, working me to Towards, I might have to I might have to just choose 1 on Audible before we get off the call here.   Now do you do you study a lot of,   oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Ben.  

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One of the things that I wanted to put in   and ask about and put in because,   one of the fascinating things and Rachel and I have been talking about the upcoming upcoming interview. And she had talked about necromancers   and how much he had filled that out. And with Richard,   where do you get,   Your inspiration because one of the things that I always found, like, with the cause, the Minotaur,   books   was that you gave a depth   To something that nobody else had given. Like,   you,   not quite humanized, but almost   Where   you could recognize that as,   another race with a lot of depth and intelligence and,   different spiritualities   and things. Where where do you get a lot of that? And like I said, Rachel,  

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she had wanted to talk to you about  

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Well, a lot of times, especially where I would use CAS as a mentor as a good example,   often use either inhuman   or   slightly off human, maybe you'll call them,   characters to emphasize certain traits,   Certain things that I I either believe in or that I want to show   and and display for people.   I see Cadds himself as a very honorable character   And,   and, you know, I that originally came from my idea when I read that, you know, we have the Knights of Salami in the Dragonlance world,   And they're honorable. But then what I read about the minotaurs at that time was basically it was very tiny. It said, minotaurs. They're monsters. And yet they have a code of honor And have an empire. It's like, that's some very fancy, sophisticated monsters.   So I thought about it and I thought, okay. Well, they have a school of honor, but they're obviously not   On a on a on a really good terms with something like the Knights. So   I how how can I emphasize their   way of of their   Method of honor and compare and contrast it to what we would expect from a knight?  

And I wrote a short story in one of the very earliest tales collections Called definitions of honor. Well, kind of a blunt title.   And, I I I threw a knight and a minotaur together   And showed how while they have something in common, other things are not in common in terms of of honor. And that story we can't went over really well. And so when they asked me to do the legend of humor, I could not resist the idea because I always like the minotaur the minotaur in the mythology.   I could not resist using the minotaur race more.   And I thought, who is the low who is the least likely companion that I could give Yuma?  

I know. I'll throw a minotaur at him.   And I and I threw him in there, and I show showed that even though   Hume is part of a of a knighthood that's based on honor and everything here. The more you would see him and Kaz together,   you you see that the Minotaur has almost   A really strong sense of honor that overwhelms   what the knights have, And the nights so and so and the nights sometimes come up short or at least not as stark in in their beliefs of honor   as   Kaz is.   And then and in and then when I had the chance to do more with Kaz, I also showed that   Well, certain aspects of the Minotaur's   sense of honor is   Throughout most of their race,   you get varying degrees on certain thing elements of it with depending on what Minotaur you run into.  

And, you know,   so that, you know, that's is does that sense that one, in terms of characters like the the necromancers, which you mentioned, Which, by the way, Rex Serkonis has necromancers   too, both good and bad.   I like to make good necromancer because it's always interesting. How can you have a good necromancer?   He might have good reasons for what he does.   You know? For instance, in in in Diablo, it's kind of a little bit easier because you have this thing that's pretty much called a balance that they're looking for. And some necromancers   think that if you let too much darkness   in, that's gonna be too bad of a thing. And so they they try to keep the balance toward   the lights, so to speak. Whereas other necromancers are like, no. You wanna go the opposite direction because there's always these good things happening. You know? And so you get necromancers fighting necromancers.  

And in a sense, I I expanded on that with Rex Traconis.   Yeah. Many of the necromancers are in it for the darker aspects of things, but I've got what my the my main necromancer,   He's trying to do things for good reasons. Yeah. I never go into fully what they are, but,   you can depend on him. Let's put it this way. He is an ally.   And barring one thing from Diablo, which I did because I couldn't write of any more Diablo stories, I had a talking   skull named Humbart   With with Zale, the necromancer and Diablo?   Humbert was a little, you know, Humbert was kind of, you know, a little bit of, comic relief, although he gave some good things in there.  

In in Vrextra Conus,   my necromancer   has a mummified heart   That he found in the ogre land because the ogre   shamans,   they have this habit sometimes of of   Mummifying   the heart of fallen foes.   And in this case, the spirit of this ancient   soldier   Got stuck with the mummified heart.   So of his of his. And so he basically was stuck in a cave for 100 and 100 of years until the necromancer found him. And so he's basically, the necromancer's been turning the heart around,   he's discovered that if he puts it into the body of a recently deceased corpse, and it doesn't matter what it is, it could be human, elf, a donkey,   The the ghost the the spirit could animate it and it it talk too.  

So one of the running things with this guy who was actually very helpful Is that, you know, he he keeps going through different bodies.   And there's at one point, he's going like, oh my god.   I'm an ogre again?   Yeah. Because he he would like to be human, basically,   and or if nothing else, a horse.   But he keeps getting up in these bodies that are not to his liking.  

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That's great.   I like that.   I like that. Thank you for talking about that.   I did have a question about   well, do you play games? Do you play any of these games since you've gotten a chance to work on them?  

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I, play I played a fair amount of Warcraft   and some and Diablo as well.   But since I was doing a lot of writing and also, you know, adding material into the, worlds themselves,   I had to be careful,   not to spend too much time in in there Because I you know, the writing is my life and my my career.   So I never really got too far with my characters in those games,   But I did enjoy and and I I did have the benefit of having, you know, the the best the best copies of each of those games from Blizzard, for instance.   So I was able to always go jump in and and see the new areas and and explore,   get a better feel for what I was writing about.  

Got to see some of my characters in the world still, which was nice.   And, before that, I had played   Various versions of, D and D before I ever started   with, Dragonlance.   So a couple characters in the Dragon Realm and,   and then my first Dragon Line stuff. We're actually tested out in games,   where I saw I wanted to see how well they worked and then I realized, oh, I gotta change this and that about a character.   So,   the gaming has fallen away.   I do keep up with a couple things.   In terms of the the new CAS project,   I   I had to heavily rely on the Dragon's Nexus team For the reference material and the adventure stuff   because I I knew that I would have to look up a lot of stuff myself at this point.  

So,   telling stories is my main thing in life.   You know, and I cross over a lot with into the gaming world with what I do. I enjoy learning about those gaming worlds, but overall, it's telling a story, which is which is my biggest passion.  

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So along those lines,   I mean, obviously, World of Warcraft is gonna be really appealing it's that high fantasy realm. So what is it about Diablo that was so attractive? Because it's such a fascinating world, and   It has, I mean, such huge polarities coming together in the characters.  

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Well, I like shadowy things.   If you see my urban fantasy, you'll notice that a lot.   My urban fantasy is   much more shadowy than my epic fantasy.   For instance, if you look at frosting, which is about a guy being haunted in his dreams by a gargoyle   or king of the grave, which is basically if you ever seen something out of your car in your eye and it wasn't there, Or if you or if you thought you saw something like those people who saw Loch Ness Monster Elvis, you better seen the gray, which are basically our imagination come into existence,   And they want to be fully alive.  

So I like shadowy things, and Diablo gave me the chance to do that,   with the necromancers   and stuff.   That more of a gray area and you or or the the   the good person trying to do good In a very gray or dark area.   My, like, if you see on my first couple of books, Legacy of Blood and Kingdom of Shadow,   There's there I throw care I throw pretty I throw fairly decent characters or all the morally morally gray sometimes   It's a situations where   they end up well, being the good guy for lack of their being a true good guy And them having to do what they can be to   rectify the awful situation they're in.  

In king in, legacy of blood, The main character and his and his couple of friends go go treasure hunt and and they and they find a tomb of this warlord   Only you find out that that the, the armor is,   what we call possessed for lack of a better word,   and it basically takes it basically takes over   Surrounds and takes over 1 character   and makes him kill his friends,   and then has him go marching off to find the person that's been wanting to kill since it Since the warlord was killed.   And he's gotta figure out how to stop himself from doing kind of this kind of stuff. And then other characters come in and try to help him who have their own agenda.   And then his dead friends come in and try to help him too   because   Somebody stays dead if properly and gambled into that.  

True. So and so I really like I really like to get shadowy stuff, and I do the shadowy stuff with this Black City Saint books too,   going back to the urban fantasy.   Nick is Nick is not the the best saint. Let's put it that way.   He's a decently good guy, but he's very earthy compared to the archangel Michael who appears every now and then in the series And who really annoys Nick because of because of the way he is sometimes.   Nick would just like to live   Quietly, if he could, and not be barred by all the stuff that he has to deal with, but he has to deal with it, so he does.  

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That's my question. Are all of your protagonists   heroes.   Are they all on the good side?  

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More or less.   More or less.   I there are some characters who are there are some Characters were very gray. Most of my characters are were the type who they don't choose to be heroes.   Some do well, some like CUMA will do everything they can that they think is the right thing to do, and then in regards to the consequences,   Others are tossed into the situation. They're, like, very reluctant to have to go through this, but it's it'll be like, well, otherwise, I'm gonna die.   So I'll do this, and and they're not really bad. You know, they would rather have   the good things happen than the bad things.  

Well, maybe the dragon wouldn't.   Because because he the dragon is is,   is a is a regular part of the cast in Black City Saint,   but he's he's just as likely to try to betray Nick as help him, and he's done it several times in the series.   And if he had his way, everything would burn.   But yet he'll do good things, and he's not the worst thing you'll run into in this series.   So and he's all like I said, he's always making snarky remarks because he doesn't have much power for the most unless he's summoned out. So he'll he'll be, like, always trying to chide Nick or trying to   manipulate him,   in his head, basically. So   So my characters so my characters would be good overall, but there really is quite a range   in terms of that.  



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Sure. And I wanna ask you about your experiences   being a a general, game master, a dungeon master.   Now do you do that often in the past, present, future? To be honest, I was more a player.  

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Okay. I I   did,   I did   Make a couple of short run things. Run I mean, run a couple of short run game sort of things. They're really short. I preferred to,   test out my characters in other people's settings. I had a really good game master for a long time and a friend from school.   And so I, you know, he had things pretty much he had things very elaborate, so I didn't have to worry about that sort of   Setting.   When I when I created my stuff, it was usually for my my stories.   Or if I was in somebody else's world, I tried to see how I how   I could best adapt things to a setting that they had and whether was there anything I could add to that setting that they hadn't thought of that they would like to have?  

You know? So,   so in terms of the gaming, I was more just I was more the player on the player side.  

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Sounds like a collaborative world building.   Your, DM, was he the type that really wanted to punish player characters?   Did he kill off a lot of player characters?   And did you ever have a player character that you really loved   that had to die because  

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the dice rolled that way. I wouldn't say he wanted to kill everybody, but he didn't always make it easy.   And,   There was a couple characters that I liked that I thought,   got killed unnecessarily.   There as opposed to as opposed to that is, a couple characters   that's that, some people made the rest of the group has said, you know, this character has to go.   And we   and And we we had this one guy who created his this character who was really annoying, and so he got killed. And and he was he basically said he was gonna create a character just like the one he just that he just had. We're like, we don't want this. So so his character so his character enters the game, and, the DM says, there's some there's this guy riding towards you, and we just we we kill the guy before he gets any closer.   And so he basically got the he got the idea that we didn't wanna see that type of character again.  

It does it's not character was much better.  

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Right.   Right. Some some feedback to provide to  

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build a sandbox that all the players wanna play in together. Yeah. It was a character that kept, like, making things more difficult for everybody else.  

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Those characters are never very popular in life.  

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Yeah. But it was it was it was a group effort. Let me check.  

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Sure.  

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So did you always You had you had   Go ahead, Jim. No. You go ahead, Jim.  

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Oh, yeah. I was wondering if you always kinda had it as your dream or your goal to be a writer,   Or   did you fall into it?  

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Well, I I guess, yes, I would have to say it was. I'm always gonna agree. But as soon as I was old enough to read, Which I I read for I read for really young.   I started making up my own ideas stories in my head. At first, they were like, you know, if I read a book about this author, I would imagine things happening in that world.   And then I but then quickly, I started going to making my own worlds,   but it's just in my head. And then I, you know, I I tried thinking of it in terms of comic books because I also like that, but I can't draw worth of darn, and I didn't know anybody else who could draw worth of darn. So I all I could think was the word stuff.   And so I started thinking of the ideas in terms of,   you you know, just writing a story.  

I didn't really get serious about it till I started into high school.   And   as I I took typing Because I hated writing because my my handwriting was awful.   And once I was able to start typing, then I started pounding away at stories, and It just it it was such a wonderful thing to be able to do   and to, and to create things.   Firebreak was actually my first completed,   novel,   So I'm always pleased that that one got out there. You you see my work at its earliest.   There was another novel which unfortunately has been lost forever because not only was it not only was it saved on 5 and a quarter inch discs that I could   somehow disappeared with some move, and I don't know. So it's like and I could rewrite the whole damn thing, but I could tell you other things I wanna write now.  

So, yeah, it's storytelling is is what I look.   Yeah.   I just I you know?   Go on.  

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Along with that question,   it it just kind of adds to it. I've noticed that, you know, I where a lot of people, I complain about George r Martin because they've waited so many years for, wins a winner. I've noticed in the fantasy genre, a lot of the standout   authors   in the last 10 years have come to,   It would seem writer's block. You've got, Patrick Rothafis. You've got,   all kinds of guys like that, that,   just all of a sudden stopped.   Do you have any idea why that would be and why you you don't have that? Why you're still so prolific?  

[01:01:36] Unknown:

I have no idea what that could be. I may get stuck briefly on something, but I either can come back to it or I'll work on something else that I have.   I do admit some things have taken for a long time to get the sequels out too, but there are various reasons for that.   One book I had, which was intended in the first trilogy,   but was self contained.   That was stuck with the, with the publisher   after they kind it was closed up.   But I'm still planning on doing a second book, later this year and that one finally.   For for most part,   The only thing that's slowing me down is life,   such as such as having a heart attack of 3 years ago,   or   The fact that I've got other projects going on,   I can't I I cannot fathom not being able to write like that,   even if I was a gazillionaire,   which I I think sometimes when you when you get made a lot of money all of a sudden, sometimes You kinda relax a little bit maybe. I don't know. But,   I like I said, I like I was saying before, I have an I would have to live to be a 150 to get the current crop of stories in my head out.  

I mean, there are there are single books and not and series That I would really like to write that I haven't even touched yet.   Urban fantasy, epic fantasy, you know,   But,   you know, but it but like I said, I just I'm trying to finish up, I was gonna write a second, after I finished this rextra conus saga that I got. I got one more book left in that. I was gonna do a second saga, but there were some of the other side ideas that I thought that, No. I think I'm just gonna gonna take the elements of that second saga and put them into the various single standalone books that are gonna write about the same world.   Jam. Yeah. This way, I get I get what I wanted to get from that second saga in there, but I can spread out into the the rest of the world even more I have a Minotaur night in that world that I wanna do some stuff with. It was very contrast. You know, he's, you know, he's he's   his own people   don't like him.  

He's trying to be something that humans don't like   from him.   So he's, like, basically, the culmination of my My   Minotaur night honor thing from Dragonlance that spread direction to Conan said now it's all gelled into one character who's really confused.  

[01:04:01] Unknown:

So   so how do   you keep yourself from getting confused with all these details that you're developing   And maintaining an internal consistency across your stories   from the, like, the political systems, the magic systems, the the relationships of the characters,  

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And then filling the plot holes to satisfy the readers. Well, surprisingly, a lot of that, even though my mind is kind   of mangled,   Surprisingly, I can recall a lot of the stuff I need to. Otherwise, I   I I refer back to the books. I'll go read through previous stuff. I'll,   I'll,   go through the,   the files so I can look it up by word search, you know, on certain things.   And sometimes I'll realize, in fact, the things that happened   In an older book that were just   something that I thought was was only for that story,   it turns out that, Oh, it makes sense to something I developed later on. I didn't realize it.  

You know? So so anything can come back. I mean,   I I in the first book, Fiery Drake, we see an awful demonic sword called the nameless for reasons that you find out later on.   And the last time you see it, it's falling down   into the depths of a cavern system.   And I finally came back that was that was written back that was published back in 19,   89.   I I only, like, only, like, 5 years ago I did I finally come back to the nameless and what has been brewing with that all this time.   And it it starts a whole chain of events, ends up being a a trilogy worth of books.   So so it'd be it's somehow the stuff, you know I I more likely remember stuff like this than I am everyday stuff.  



[01:05:55] Unknown:

It sounds like hyper hyper creativity   for sure. Like, you've got the I I suffer with, well, it's not always suffering, but I definitely have Hyper creativity where I'm constantly   constantly having ideas and   so I'll I'll keep track of them, but I won't necessarily   them into anything. I'll just get them out of my head if I like them enough, a musical idea or whatever. So maybe it's a left handed thing, Richard.  

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Could be. I like to think so.  

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Do do you feel that,   this more gritty   Series that you're writing now and these more gritty things that you're working on where you're developing more of the what you would call the darker side of things Was a natural,   progression,   compared to   you have some books on ogres and, again,   the minotaurs that we've Been talking about quite a bit this evening where most people would consider those to be,   on the dark side where you   Flushed, you know, fleshed out where they're   not necessarily dark just from your perspective,   like in the,   Legend of Huma books. While you would cons while a lot of people would naturally consider the Minotaur dark, and then Huma's best Friend is a mage, which was considered,   evil by their standards.  

Then when you look at the behaviors of the knights around them,   Most   moralistic people would consider their behaviors more dark. So do you think this was a natural progression   Of,   taking and fleshing out these creatures that people thought were so dark and not and showing that they aren't necessarily   into the more gritty works?  

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Yes.   No. Just kidding.   Oh, yeah. I I I think there's a lot of what what you're saying there to that.   It just it but he's like sitting with me. It's just the way the story seemed to want to flow.   I I like I like to show that things aren't necessarily always what they seem and that What you think is the the monster, so to speak, might not be the monster so much as   the people you think you can trust. I mean, let's look at Elijah Yuma.   Let's take Renard,   for instance,   who is a a very in intriguing character in Yuma.   You know, I think after all these years, I I don't have to say spoiler,   but let's just say Renard is not as as good a guy as   You think he is, and yet he's not the worst guy he could be.  

We see what we see what happens with him and the human, and, Actually, I wrote a short story about his afterlife,   which is in which I which I thought was a true ghost, basically,   to show what his his fate has become.   And like I said, with the minute, I also wanna show that,   Yeah. I I got the idea even when I was working with the nice salami that they were a little bit too haughty   to be as good as they're supposed to be sometimes from what I saw. I mean, look at the way they handle it. Look at the way they treated Sturm in the chronicles.   So I I bar I took it from what Margin and Tracy did. It just took the logical step   That,   that while they do follow the codes,   their idea of following the codes would differ a bit from, say, what you and I might think, and you and we would find ourselves more in tune with what Taz   And, of course, Hume, who's more of a of a   of an idealist,   would do.  

And, so that's where we that's where you get the conflicts with with,   knighthood, and then you find out that some people in knighthood aren't even good like Bernard turns out to be.   But I also show I I also do show their other good nights too and stuff there.   But With other stories along the way, it just you know, I I I just showed there the characters that you often think are the ones that you can believe in,   you have to, like, see you know, are you what are what what is the truth behind their motivation sometimes?   Now is it as is it as crystal clear as you think it should be?  

Because sometimes even the best   best characters   Will,   will be discovered to have   a side to them that is morally ambiguous at times,   Which I think is just more real.   Unless it's a more simplistic sort of character, say, a straightforward   Thinking character,   for for those who are dragon roam lovers, Dark Horse,   Who is very straightforward.   He's a very powerful creature,   and yet he's like a he's like a child.  

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We we've recently been listening to audio book. We've recently been listening to the audio book because I haven't read that book since approximately   1980, you know, late eighties.   Yeah. You know, 89 or something when it it was first out. And the audiobook, they have,   dark horse has an Irish accent. Did you have any did you,   put that in there? It cracks us up here.  

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No. I did not, but I I that didn't that didn't surprise me that the narrator went that direction.   I mean, it didn't surprise me Because,   there's just something about dark horse. I could see that   when he when he when he went with that. I was like, yeah. Okay.   Jam. But it Dark Horse is just a fun character to deal with, even though he's very he's very loyal and very strong and gets into some bad situations. But,   Yeah. Actually, that just adds another aspect to him, which I just think, you know, makes makes it seem like he's dark horse. You know?   He's, he's one of my he's a favorite character people in the saga,   along with Shade, of course,   Who was who was one one of my one of my first real,   yin yang sort of, let's look at the dark side and the and the light side at the same time sort of thing.  

And,   I've always enjoyed using him. I've I've I've I've kinda Been a little kinder to shade in the last couple of books, giving him some   sort of advancement   to   To his problem.   It was,   but you'll you'll see that when you when you see those books, which are available in audio if you wanna jump to that to that stuff. Those were the first two anyway.   Nights of the frost and,   Sword of Ghosts.   Sword of Ghosts. Sword of Ghosts referring to the nameless, by the way.   Oh, by the way, for the for those who have read the the the Dragon Realm,   although I'm kind of I've kinda finished up with   With the the Kate Bedlam sort of saga,   I am going overseas with a sister saga called   The ravaged empire,   which is basically what's left of the   the wolf Raider empire,   Which is the midst of civil war right now because there's one faction that's even more stricter than the one we know.  

And then there's also all kinds of old things and other things that arise you up now that there's nothing holding them back over there. And the main character is mostly gonna be Morgus, the blue Drake, who I left over there.   So, basically, anybody who has read the drag realm will be able to enjoy that. Jammed. Hey, boo. Hasn't read the drag realm? Can start fresh from there because I'll I'll pretty make it pretty much self continue in that regard. Although, you probably will end up seeing a couple characters from the dragon realm. I mean, dark horse and shade can get all over the place that they need to. You know, not necessarily by choice,   but,   but, yeah, that that's the   That's something I'm starting out with this year too. I'm gonna be writing a   a a a novella,   stand alone novella first,   with,   And I'm going into,   novel later on.  

And I'll be and I've got one novel that's coming up in that series called fraud,   Which and that may and, yes, you're going to see some fraud in present day,   former empire land.   Some of the ones and you'll recognize at least a couple of them from the,   origin books, Shrouded Realm and Children of the Drake.   Because you had because some of the some of these guys do not like the, Taserini, you know, Shay's family.   And they went elsewhere, and And some of them created the original   Wolf Raider Empire elements.   And, so so and then they hid for a long time.  



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Our our listeners are falling in love with your stories already,   and we wanna direct them to a place to find the stories. Is there a specific store or retail or website?   And then maybe is there a book that you say start with this one? Well, if you go to Richard Allen, knack dotallen,  

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allen, neck.com.   That's all, like, one word, and then,   if you go to my if you go to my store page, You can you can follow a lot there's a lot of links to click there,   and if and it's for Amazon. I you know, obviously, I mean, I mean, Amazon Associates. So if you click through there and buy anything, obviously, I get a little bit more royalty there.   My recommendation is that if you like urban fantasy,   Starred Black City Saint.   That's that's the best choice I can make. Because I've said I've got my best reviews on that series.   If you want to view my epic fantasy, There's 2 places that I would tell you to start. 1 is obviously fire Drake. If you wanna follow the dragon around the top, that's the most logical place. You can find that in the first Dragon of Omnibus,   and that and, that all those all those links most of those links should be active. I'd have to double check that again.  

And Rexter Konas,   originally, it was the first two books   were were Under the Dragon Moon and Lords of Dragon Moon, which are 2 Short novels about the size of 1 novel together,   and you can find those separately on audio. But in terms of, e in terms of paper,   you can find them both under Rise of the Dragonborn.   So you got a choice of either 2 82 audiobooks or one One regular book with that regard. And that'll give you the first 2. Those are the kinda introductory   novels that lead into the the whole epic saga. I mean, they build What what happens there builds up into shadows of the dragon moon, of dragon's blood,   war of the dragon moon, and the last book is gonna be called gods of the dragon moon. Yes, my I got guys all over the place here in that place.  

So yeah. So yeah. So either start with the first books in the in in the dragon realm and Rex Draconis if you like epic   Or start with, Black City Saint for   the, Urban Fantasy.   And there's some stand alones if you wanna check out them to, King of the Grave, Frost, they're always good at checkout in terms of fantasy.   Dragon Mound is a good temporarily stand alone   epic fantasy. More shadowy than Then Rex or Conus are dragging around. It's, more of my,   let's put this way. I used to like Faffer and the Gray Mouser for those people who are who read ancient stuff   My first live version.  

But it's a lot more shadowy.   And people like Diablo sort of stuff would probably like that too. I mean, that.   If you wanna of course, if you wanna read any of the books I did for other people, then I would definitely say, you know, check out, my first,   Legacy of Blood and Kingdom of Shadow for the Diablo series.   And,   although it's not jammed. And then the war of the ancients is my is my best stuff, I think, for,   Warcraft. Although you probably shouldn't read data dragon before that just to Because some of the characters from there go into War of the Angels.  

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Yeah. I got a little carried away there, Paul. No. That's perfect answer. And, you're talking Warcraft. That's,   the computer role playing game,   strategy game from Blizzard Entertainment?  

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Yeah.   Yeah. You can find yeah. And I I have links to those in there too for the most part.   Sometimes they change they they change The link's on me, and I don't know it. So if there's a couple that don't work, it's be not it's not because I don't try to keep track. It's because it's Amazon. So it goes, oh, no. This is the new this is the link you need now. I'd say, what?   Gotcha. But, I've got the vast majority. I mean, I've got some of the,   I think I've got some of the audio stuff even with links there too. So   I,   I've I've for the most part, I've got one good a really good narrator who's done a lot of my work.  

Joshua Saxon,   he's the one he's our help rep. And,   the other stuff from, for instance,   work from work from Diablo,   they could they they, of course, picked their own narrator, so I have no idea who's there. So  

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And when it comes to the editing process and, like, the the final   manuscript,   have you been   Part of that process, or is it sort of like,   write the book and then ship it out and start on the next one?  

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Well, obviously, we're talking about the the stories for other people like Warcraft from Diablo. You know that? Right. They give you a story bible, and they kind of have a general outline. How does that work?   But for the most part, they would give me an idea that they wanted to get written about,   and then I would come up with the story line   Based on that, I'd, based on whatever that that subject was,   and they would,   okay or the story line or tell me to change things.   And then I would start writing the,   the novel. Often, I would send them the checkers as I write them, and they would re go through them. And,   sometimes they would come back and tell me, hey. Can you change all this? Because we decided to do this all of a sudden in the game. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Sure. Okay.  



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Sure.   I understand that sort of thing, though. Right. But the marketing came back and said last minute,   focused test, said we want this character to be the the hero or the Or or or or They  

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just totally decide to go on some new direction, and so they have to change. So some element has suddenly changed in the entire story. So But that that's that's the things you get to you had to get into. So,   but but overall, I had a lot of, I was able to to   Add to the worlds that I was in because that's why I that's what they wanted for me to do. I was able to adjust things that they wanted me to.   I had a lot of say. To hear.   I'm sorry?  

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Keep going. We had a little echo. Oh,  

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no. It's I I   had a lot of say in most of the stuff I worked on. Yeah.  

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So with the few more minutes we have with you tonight,   I guess   my question would be You've been you've been in other interviews. Is there something that you've always wanted to share, but no one's gotten the the question they haven't asked you yet? So what's the one thing that you wanted to share that you wish people would have asked you about?  

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I really can't think of anything, actually.   People have been pretty good about asking all kinds of stuff, and it's anything really private, I don't wanna share it anyway.  

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Have you,   Have you, on a personal note, ever,   tried to get into any of the secret societies   or learned any of the more traditional magic systems,   or was everything that you were picking up,   where were you picking up some of these ideas the things that you were doing.  

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I was either picking up from things that I've read previously   and then tried to adjust to my personal tastes   Or my personal beliefs in them. Or I there were things that I would would would fashion myself   based on what I thought made a a certain logic.   Now if if I thought that this would would be the way it should probably be, then, you know, why would I want it why would it be that way? And I would follow through on that and see see what I came up with then.   It's it's probably the best way to to answer   it.  



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One of our viewers reminded us that we do have kind of a silly question we like to ask. You don't have to answer True. But we kind of we we kind of have this, idea in America kind of being a Christian nation   and everything sort of, like, the satanic panic pushes back, good versus evil kind of through that lens. So we just like to ask, you know, what is your favorite Christian band?  

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I don't think I know. I just That's a good answer.  

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Yeah. That's a good answer. If you that's it's It's just the corny Well, just the question. The Righteous Brothers. Okay. That's a great answer. That sounds good.  

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Yeah. That sounds good. I am essentially Christian, but I really don't pay attention to to what music I'm listening. I just listen to songs I like.  

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Right. Right. And do you listen to music while you're writing at all?  

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No. Oddly enough I mean, I have in the past. If I do, it's probably gonna be a Danny Elfman score.   Yeah. I I I I I didn't know oddly enough, I never liked Oingo Boingo, but I like his I love his his his movie scores. I've got the I got Batman stuff. I've got Nightmare Before Christmas. I got a bunch of Danny Elfman stuff.   But,   for the most part, I haven't been looking at music much lately, because here here's the weird thing. Yeah. I'm mostly I'm listening to white noise in the form of   Noise at the at the restaurant where I do a lot of my writing.   I go to lunch at at a I go to lunch at one of the local areas You're,   it's a it's a it's actually a chain, but I won't mention what it is. But I this I go there, and it is I eat my My lunch,   I write for about 2 and a half hours in the booth. They know me well at this place,   and I get more work done than I do at home.  

Awesome.   It's just for some reason, I got I got a perfect focus there, and I get I can get, like sometimes I've got an old days worth of work done. I don't know. So,   so that's so I basically listened to little things that we know have no consequence to me in the background.  

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We like to talk about magic and maybe synchronicity   and sort of the   have you had any weird dreams that have been influenced by your and vice versa and sort of, like, altered your reality   based off of the themes and the concepts that you're working on through your story?  

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No. My dreams,   oddly enough, are   either just plain weird or boring.   I They they they have they had no real effect on my on my writing, which is which you would think they would, but I cannot remember one dream, seriously, that has had any effect like that.   Jammed.   And I've heard other authors say I've heard other authors talk about their dreams, and I'm like,   what's wrong with me? Why am I dreaming like this?   My dreams are all stupid.  

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Uh-huh. Just the mundane boring dreams, and your real active imagination  

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is Just kind of Oh, that can be weird sometimes, but they're not weird in the way that helps me with my writing at all. Okay.  

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What's the   The the muses. The idea of the muses,   divine feedback, this type of stuff.  

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If if it if my music tried talking to my dreams, they probably been drinking first or something because they they're not really coming through.   Yeah. It's a pop when I'm ready.  

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Sure.   Oh, that's good.  

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We we greatly appreciate you giving us your time, brother, and,   this was just a this was awesome.  

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Somebody's saying something? I thought somebody was still saying something. I apologize.  

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Oh, no. We're we're just thanking you for, for a great, Time to come and visit and share with us really insightful stuff. And, appreciate that Ben was able to find you. It sounded like he made a comment on a forum you guys were able to get in touch. So that's nice serendipity.   We kinda have, like Mike Allen said, we do have a focus on the show of, you know, Synchronicity,   magical woo woo kind of on the fringes things.   And so,  

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Yeah. I'm sorry about the I'm sorry about the trouble you had at the beginning there. I'm glad I the the laptop off and turn it on again. No. We were really glad too. And we're really casual and laid back. So And and and, you know, once I was on there, I was I was able to stretch more time in there than I figured I'd be able to. So, I was glad to talk to you guys. Thanks for having me.   Make make sure everybody goes out and buys the The journals of CASA minotaur and,  

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Black City Saint and anything else I've talked about tonight, it's mandatory. That's right. That's right. Important to do. Mandatory. That's right. You have Buy at least one book if you're listening. That's the rule. 2 is preferable, but if all you can afford for tonight is 1, then please get that sale in before midnight. If you want the if you want the CAS project, you gotta go to DM's Guild.  

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Okay. One of the places available.   We'll get that link. That's all. Exclusive at DM's Guild. Okay. Yeah. You type it. Yeah. I've, I've put dmsguild.com.  

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I see it here. For the lost Colony,   journals of Chasm Minotar.  

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Yeah. I say it's it's that's the only way I'm able to write these stories is Just to produce it through that that site because they have the, control over the over the drag lens setting.   That's fine. I'm just doing work for hire for that series, so it's just the same thing to me right now.   But it's still going over very nicely, I'm happy to say. So So I'll be doing some more stuff. I I will.  

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We love to hear that. Thank you. Very nice.  

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Thank you again for having me. Forward to it.   Thank you again for having me. Yeah. Thanks for coming. Have a great night, Richard. No. You take care, guys. Bye bye. Jammed. Yep. Thank you. Thank you, Richard.  

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Wow. That was cool.   Cool.  

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Good idea, Balderson.  

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Very good.  

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Well, I I couldn't believe it. Like I said, when he answered me on the On the thing, you know, I had,   I was just making a comment. You know, it was like an anniversary   Of legend of humor or something, and I made a comment and he responded. I was like, well, shit. As long as you're saying something to me, you know, let's, you know, let's get together. Right?   That that's that's real awesome, and I've read,   I've been reading his books since the eighties, so that's that's amazing.  

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It's nice to see a really prolific,   creative type who's,   I mean, he stay he said he started   As a kid, you know, like, falling in love with the idea of world creation,   and he and he seems like he's just in a really Casual way, being able to pull it off to the maximum. You know? Just writing reams and reams of amazing books, working for hire, and just make you know, go sit in the restaurant and the cook is making some pancakes and you're making a dragon   out in the out in the booth. You know?  

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Yeah. You did. Just sticking so much the opposite of kids today. So media   And,   entertainment   flooded that they don't have any of their own imagination or ideas. Like, when I was a kid, your parents tell you to go outside.   You know, was there a pile of sticks? Was there a pile of leaves? Was there freaking   some damn water and something you could possibly turn into a boat or at least Pretend like it did until you fell in it 12 times.   Like, you know, you had all kinds of imagination, and it seems like anymore,   Kids don't have that. And to hear somebody talk about this, and then, like you said, be so so very prolific. That's amazing.  



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It is it is rough. Like, I remember growing up, you know, in the nineties and some of the only images that you would have would be the front of the book. You know, that's the only thing you had. Maybe the artist would get somebody to do 1 or 2 illustrations depending on The type of book that you're reading. Or even even for games, we were talking about Warcraft 2, you know, back in the day when all the lore, All the stuff would come in a book. And, you know, other than that, you're looking at pixels,   and the rest of your imagination has to fill in a lot of space. You know, you you have maybe a few illustrations for   some stuff. But when Lord of the Rings came out, I haven't read those books. So I start reading them. Do you know how hard it is not to picture actors?  



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Oh,  

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I see. That's not fair. Right.  

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Unless it's Legolas. Right.  

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Oh, let's let's talk about the actor who played Legolas. I all the all the girls in my youth group had his poster   On their ceiling   above their bed,  

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and they were allowed to do that. On the cover of their trapper keeper.  

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So what about that long blonde hair? You can walk on snow. How do you not like that?  

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There had been the animated films   Previously?   Yes. Those those were fun. Those were fun. And then when   the Lord of the Rings, The first film release, that was kind of a a big deal.   And then   between the first film and the second film, it's like, oh,   You need to go to the theater to see this event. It's like a once in a lifetime event. There was so much marketing and hype   built up on that old story.  

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But it was epic for me having not having read those books. Yes. It was like seeing Warcraft on screen. I was like, oh, elves works.   Sweet.   Like, you know, so that there was a whole other dimension for it. There they tapped into a whole other genre of people by making those movies because those books inspired so much fantasy.   So it was it was fun to hear Richard talk about, You know, working with Blizzard   and   on those projects because his books obviously I I wanted to ask him about some of the races like the Torrens. Like, That's as close as you can get to a Minotaur in in World of Warcraft. I mean, they're giant cows.   So, you know, I wanted to ask about, you know, if he thought that, Yeah. Those things were close   in their honor system.  

You know, the games make them you know, everybody has kind of a culture they reflect,   So they they end up being very,   Native American,   but, you know, shamanistic   and and things to that nature. So   It's interesting.  

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Yeah. And with some of the I don't know if   even the modern version of   Dungeons and Dragons uses the word race anymore.   Some of that stuff has has,   changed cultural   shiftings, Overton windows opening and Closing this type of thing. I didn't wanna really get into the the controversy   of   recasting characters,   Changing gender, that sort of thing. I don't think that was really important to get into. I think the the benefit of   having the Lord of the Rings open up The world of fantasy,   Chronicles of Narnia   also kind of released after that. This whole idea of   A fantasy world that isn't,   it's not so fantastic that it doesn't resemble the real world because there is an internal   Logical consistency,   maybe a karmic sort of system.  

And basic terms,   if you do something wrong, there will be consequences. If you do something right, there will be consequence. So every action has a consequence.   And in a   live action role play setting or a tabletop Dungeons and Dragons pen and paper setting   to be able to explore   decision making   And then in kind of real time, get that feedback   from your friends playing their characters   is kind of a fun experience.   I think everyone should should have the opportunity to try at least once in their lifetime.  

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Agreed. Agreed.   He is fun.  

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So the only,   only book in that kind of   genre I can think of   that had that kind of gender bending,   connotation   in it.   Melanie Ron,   who wrote the sunrunner's fire. It was, like, 6 books, sky bowl, sunrunner's fire,   A few others.   That series, I believe it was 6 books, was   super popular back in the day.   And then she did another series, and I don't remember the name of the series. But the last book, it was supposed to be 3 a trilogy.   The last one was gonna be Capital's Tower, And that never came out. And,   that particular series,   it had a whole lot of gender twisting ideas in it.  

Had some had some other things in there. One of the things I remember was very interesting was they were trying to   Use children's rhymes to figure out some secret,   and they were using old children's rhymes. That was very fascinating.   But I I don't think it went over well. And, I mean, this is in the nineties.   You know, those, you know, that's when Andrew guys like Andrew Dice Clay are still out there and,   very angry against homosexuality   and things like that. So,   You know, it was that did not go over well at all in the in that time period.  

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Yeah. In terms of,   the specific   brand   Of Dungeons and Dragons who releases the player's manual   and the DM manual and the monster manual and the book of the spells, And then they have the campaigns laid out   for you to go through. So you're not as a player   Or as a, game master, dungeon master having to come up with every detail   on your own. There's a There's a basic framework for you to get started, and then you can begin to explore   what's happened between, like, the 3.5 edition   To version 5 or 6. There's been changes.   Some have added more technology   where you might have an app on your phone to Keep track of your character. You might have a an application that will simulate die roll for you. So I guess it's really up to the players to determine   Any sort of technology.  

Some some people like to have music playing in the background   for the dungeon scene or the monster encounter. They like get more theatrical with it. It's really up to the player, and that's where   a person's creativity   and imagination   really comes to life in trying to figure out what what do I like about this? What what are my preferences? And then you can really suit it to your group. To have a small playgroup, maybe 3 or 4 players,   best friends building a world together, going on adventures,   that's a quick way to make friends for life or   Enemies if you kill the the player characters, and then people get angry about  

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what happens at the table. Play it before it gets in the game.  

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Riding up in his horse. Yeah. I I can admit to playing   pen and paper with some friends, and my,   I made I made an annoying character.   No. I I made an annoying character whose, magic flexibility   was,   Kinda gender bending. So it could appear as male or female sort of at the same George's character that would and they're like, why you do we need this.  

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But then the thing was You did you did things to get under somebody's skin? I don't even believe that.  

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Yeah.   Go figure.  

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So  

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right. And they're they're pushing back, and my guy was just sort of freewheeling, didn't care about life or death, And would, like, open unlock doors   and then slam them behind them and then separate from the group   and then end up Facing a room full of monsters and then dying, and then they have to, like, we're dragging your corpse back. We're dragging your corpse back. I think at some point, They finally just decided to graph my character onto   the boss   and then kill them both.  

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Oh, gosh.  

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I've never played it. It was called,  

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I never played it either. I just didn't,  

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I've had opportunities. I didn't see the right  

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You know?  

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Not enough time. It takes a lot of setup and Yeah.   And then life happens.  

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I mean I mean, again.  

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What a good game to play. Mhmm.  

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Do people play it online? Yes. For for adults now, if you got a bit of coin, you can throw some cash at a professional Dungeon Master,   and then they'll be ready to go. So there are ways for   adults to have   A quick PlayStation might take 2 or 3 hours on a Friday night   or Saturday, Monday or Tuesday. You know? Well, Sunday is pretty busy.  

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Sure. Yeah. So we wanna schedule something for a Saturday. Yeah. I was I was doing this thing called getting my pee pee touched.   So I'm here. We  

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could do it live.  

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Jam. I mean live. Touch like dragons. It's not letting me to get your pee pee touch, but then how how many you got set up? Your pee pee touch live?  

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Yeah. I got it's a different kind of website.  

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Yeah. So, I mean, the people need us in the balance. I'm not saying one or the other is better,   But,  

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you know,  

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if you look like the guy that just flashed on the screen, your chances of ending up with 7   Progyny is lower.   I I did like I wanna compliment Alan for, resisting flashing anything on the screen while Ricky was with us. I know it was hard.   You probably don't get hard. You write the situations often in them. It's like I got the slide ready. To sneak it in there, like I haven't read it. Like, one frame Was there, and you resisted a good job, or you did it so fast you didn't see it. So either way, good job. Didn't see it.  

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Oh, yeah. That's a good one.  

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We got a bunch of these ready to go. These are The fundamentals of mimetics, I think that   with,   I guess, hyperstition   And the idea that through storytelling   and assuming a role in a story   that enacts a magical process to deal with   Stuff   that you're trying to face   and to be able to creatively problem solve it in a, quote, unquote, fantasy realm can be used for Personal development   to figure things out kind of in a in a safe way, in a safe setting to figure out, well, how do I slay my dragon literally, metaphorically?   How do I get my pee pee touched?  

Maybe I don't want that. How do I consent?   That sort of thing.  

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You said hyperstition,   and made me imagine,   Zacharias ditching as a ADHD   child.   His his stepdad's like, dude, if you mention aliens   or rock drawings one more time, one more time.  

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Nephaler.  

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Well, you know,  

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please use the pronunciation   of Nephaler.   Thank you.  

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Jam did it. Yeah.  

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On a on a slightly serious personal confession, I think I I did a few times use video games intentionally to   Be a source of anger management.   Like, I   you know, people are like, put your pillows. Scream into the pillow. Like, I'm in a house of, You know, other other people. This is not Rachel doesn't punch pillows. I don't punch pillows.   I tend to slay demons, and it makes me feel a lot better.  

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I mean, that's a good theory, but if you really go into that practice, you have to feel completely safe and comfortable or it doesn't work because then you're naturally   Subconsciously holding back. Oh, yeah. No. No. No. Headphones are I can't scream at the top of my lungs.   I sang heavy metal most of my life. So if I decide I'm gonna vent my rage, the police are gonna come.   Yeah. Then we're gonna go knock on all my neighbors' doors and be like, guys, I gotta scream, you know, But I do sing along really loud with the music, and that's considered normal in our society. So that's okay.   But if I just decide to start screaming the word fuck as loud as I can, it's gonna make people  

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Geared. Yeah. There's there's some The first time Christy did DMT.   She sat there in the yard because she she and screamed. It hurts. It hurts because was trying not to trip, and my buddy, Steve, just looks down and he goes, I'm gonna go talk to the neighbors.  

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Yeah. Smart smart guy.   One time, the the cops came in College Place, which is a tiny little place next to Walla Walla. It's a weird Adventist community. And,   My,   my older daughter didn't wanna fall asleep or go to bed. So I took her out in the backyard, and we were playing at night and running around. And she started roaring, so I started roaring back. And then she roared louder, and I roared louder, and then I I heard it echo,   And I thought, fuck. And so we just, like, chilled out, and the cops came, and I told him what was up. Like, it's all good, bro. We're just, like, trying to blow off steam because she's, Yeah. It's like 11 o'clock at night, and there's no evidence   of being able to rest,   let alone sleep. Like, she couldn't lay down   And hold still. So I was trying to help her out, you know, but then as soon as I heard the echo, I'm like, oh, man. Little kids screaming. Yeah. Me screaming.  



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That's not good.  

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That's not good. Somebody's definitely gonna, just in case, make sure, like, well, we better call the police just in case that little child is being attacked.  

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Yeah. Last spring, they threatened our neighbors threatened the cops on us because   Henry drove in the springtime, the peacocks get Henri,   And they and Henry ran off one of the other peacocks.   Mhmm. And they make this weird sound and they go, hew.   It's calling for help. We're gonna call the police. Right.   No. Don't do that.  

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Yeah. It's just like, to me, how could you not know that noise? It's like the most   peacock noise there is. Oh, Rachel.  

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Don't.  

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Uh-oh. Rachel can do it. Rachel could do it. Yeah. I don't doubt that Rachel could do it. It's amazing. That was A strong connection to birds. It makes me think of Pioneer Park. In Walla Walla, they have some beautiful peacocks in the enclosure. They have an aviary at the park.   That sound just makes me imagine being at Pioneer Park.  

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Oh, yeah.   Was well, we were talking about getting Some peacocks or maybe some swans or something.   And it's like, okay.   We we should really put them at the shop because The neighbors are hearing goats most of the day, which is,  

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you know, it's like blood curdling,  

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you know,   Awful awful sound. Or they can hear peacocks, you know, which is way nicer.  

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How do they sound?   Jim did it.  

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Jim, you're gonna get drunk. Only cancel listeners. You will never hear this again.  

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That was good. That's it. That was impressive. Yeah.   Yeah.  

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So, like, which which are the 2 things you need to find?  

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Well, I want both. Dude,  

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I'm in a valley, and I'm at the head of the valley. And so when we first moved here, the fucking goats figured out, and it was just a young one that figured it out first. And he screamed and Scream down the valley, and then, of course, it echoed down the valley, and he just sat there for, like, 8 fucking hours straight just   So  

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Yeah. 1 hour   46 minutes.  

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Balderson. Ben's treats like a coach.   Yeah.   To get back to this Hey, good. I got the dog out there. Everything just like the goats do they do? It was perfect. I mean, you you obviously been around the goats.  

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That was for the Wait. John and I were finding each other at Walmart. I mean, I wanna clip that so that's all it is. It no. Who's in charge of the channel? I and Alan have access. So you can go clip just any little piece if you're the channel owner. Delivering 1.   So, you know, I think, just that   is that's one of the most what I really want is an the oldest cell phone that has a monitor and a loudspeaker,   And that's all that's on it. You push any button,   and it comes on, and it's been yelling like a goat, and then it stops. And if you touch it again, it happens again. This is the product I want.  

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Make it so. Do you Apparently, I craft for, like, a little also.   Everybody everybody that doesn't know, Sarah g's been at my house For a for a few months, and she's apparently decided I also cough like a ghost.  

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Well, in in, your ghost defense, They smoke like a Balderson. So  

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Yeah. Yeah. I did that video. Okay.   And then when they're horny, oh my god. You're taking a nap, you just wanna die.   They're like, would you shut up, you motherfuckers?  

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Oh, the one question I missed, I was gonna ask him   whether or not he ever had a real struggle with   Knowing that he had to kill a character or put him in a weird situation,   you know, that's, I was glad that we got so many of the creative side questions in   Because, you know, I mean, I've been writing my whole life, but I've never really   successfully composed any story to my faction from beginning, middle, and end.   So it's nice when you can pick somebody's brain who's like, yeah. I can actually write your story for money. Right? Like, I mean, that's exceptional,   high level Personal talent. Yeah. So, you know, we've already got a world developed. We you know, it's not easy. Gym sculpting. Sean, I need you I need to hire you. You need to make the wings. Like, Boy, I don't know if that's gonna work, bro.  

I don't know if my wings are gonna look like your sculpture. You know, it would be challenging to do something like that. So no. I guess it's like getting half a tattoo and then having somebody else try to finish it. That don't happen. Oh, yeah. Now that would be a great,   YouTube channel Where we pay for the tattoos,   big time money, and we get really high end artists. But the deal is this guy does 50%,   now we're taking you to the next guy who we think can match his work, and he does 50%. He cut him right down the middle.   It can't be subtle jagged liner right  

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Oh, so it's not like someone does the outlines and the other person does the coloring?  

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No. Because any artist that's worth it can can solve that problem. Now you're gonna be able to see if you have a discerning   eye. Okay. You're gonna definitely be able to, like you can look and see, like, oh, no. The flowers were done by somebody else. But if you have to actually max their work 5050,  

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it would be 5050.   Yeah.   It'd be hard. That'd be rough.   Yeah.  

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Most of the guys would just tell you no. He's like, dude, we're gonna pay you and everybody's just we're signing we're signing off on this.   Everybody is above board and signed off. No surprises. They can't come back and complain. You get the money and however it turns out, they either have to pay for the laser removal or keep it.  

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I used to play a game like that, like drawing game, where you fold a piece of paper into 4 sections. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everybody's got a section. You draw something in your section,   Then pass it to someone else, and they connect the lines up from their section to your section.   I remember. Yeah. Paper goes around, and you have this Incredible  

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piece of It really looks good. Yeah. Artwork. That just, I just found something on my, PicsArt app, Jim.   They added an AI feature where you can put your picture, you know, drag your picture into the editor,   and then you can grab the corners and expand it, And it will populate the empty space Oh, yes. With whatever it thinks is in the picture. So I took a picture of my dogs in the front window Looking at us like, what are you guys doing? And I expanded it. And so now there's this weird table and a plant and a front door and a walkway. It's like, where is this place? You know? Cool. So that's pretty weird. That's pretty far out. You should upload it to the Weaving Spider welcome web. Oh, not a bad idea. We do have a welcome web. I think, people need to  

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request to join.   I think a little housekeeping. We had 4 requests, but they're all women with Russian names.   So I don't know   if they're all Nice. Not.   Jim. Sofia Cabanina, Elena Osmanina,   Alexandria,   Kristanova.   Did I get those names right?   You're listening to the stream, shout us out, and I'll let you into the welcome web.   We do have a lot of,   people who have opportunities for cryptocurrencies   and Other things   on Telegram. So if you're wondering if there's any,   what was it? Greetings Patriot or what what was, the boulders and going around with Patriot  

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, fuck.   That was that was hilarious. Like, hello, Patriot or Something like that. Yeah. It was patriot was the definitely the word. I'm like, I don't even say that shit.  

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No. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and let people know that Ben sends you a private message on Telegram, it's not him. It's not Ben.   I don't care what it says. Unless you guys are already friends And you were already having a conversation on Telegram or elsewhere. The chances that Ben's gonna be like, hey. I'm gonna stop doing what I'm doing. I'm gonna open Telegram. Gonna go to the private message section. Right. I'm gonna find you and send you a message. It's just 0. It's not gonna happen.  

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Or then he's gonna talk to me about cryptocurrency.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I've been been in the yeah. The bank I am not call this and going. Anybody. Yep. Fuck it. Cryptocurrency.  

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You never heard me talk. Uh-huh. I thought from the beginning,   when everybody else would not everybody, obviously, these guys. But when a bunch of people were going, cryptocurrency   is gonna save us. It's gonna crush the federal government, blah blah. I was talking out against it. I'm like, this is fucking dumb. Are you gonna fight fake money with faker money? Like, oh, the paper money is backed by anything, but this computer coin money that's like a digital Beanie Baby is still backed by nothing.   Oh, the the blockchain backs it. I just heard a speech from some lady saying that the blockchain guarantees They can see exactly where every transaction is. But you guys are going out instead of blockchain's gonna free us. Like, shut up. How are these movies again? Secret. Yeah. It's not an They're  

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not thinking about, some of the especially in a show like, this Where we do like to get into some etymology and language and secret meanings and decoding of things, crypto   Mhmm. Is, you know, if that's your crypt, your death, And where and how what's your guarantee is that you're gonna be tied to a block with a chain?   I mean,   it's not you know, it's just like anything else. You have to look at both sides   Imagine both sides. Like, so if it's easy to imagine the good side, the smart thing to do is to spend some meditative   energy to really, really imagine the bad side.  

You know? It's a it's the it works the other way too. If things are really bad, It helps sometimes just to fantasize about where the level of improvement or learning or whatever can come from that goes the other way. But,   I don't know. To me, it it costs, you know I'm not against   it, but, it costs so much energy and effort to keep it running. It makes me curious.   Like, the guarantee is in the programming of the system so that they say, well, you can't you can't Screw up the ledger so we definitely know what the transactions will be so then we have an accurate receipt.   But you've got this huge infrastructure   That has to be maintained   for it to work at all. You know?  

If you get even just localized   Power outage or any kind of just intermittence and problems,   then   that maybe not Causes a screeching halt, but it causes a huge weird interruption to the whole process that's gonna make everybody lose faith in the system. We already know that. That's one of the big problems anyway   is that people,   they,   you know, hate banking all you want. Your transactions happen pretty damn fast anymore. If I send Jim $300 through the official banking mechanism,   Jim gets $300 almost instantly depending on what we do. And if I have to use my official old fashioned Actually, it's very funny  

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because all the newer apps, it's in it. But if you go back and use the old banking ones, it still takes 3 to 5 days. Like, if I cash app Sean money, and I could keep cash have Sean money, he literally it's in his bank account in 2 seconds. Fucking   if I try and do it through, like, Wells Fargo app or something, it still takes Right. 3 to 5 days. No fucking sense. Well, that's because all these digital companies have  

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trust and agreement with each other and banks that are backing them up That they're loaning every but they're floating literally 1,000,000,000,000, if not 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars.   Because that's the whole thing that happened in 2008.   That's why they created the what did they call it? The tarp. They I love their stupid acronyms. They had to get a tarp because of the hole in the money system. Isn't that what you put down before you do wet works? Meaning you're gonna murder someone. Because there's blood in the streets. Down. It's gonna be a messy situation. The banks have always loaned each other 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars   overnight. You know? Hey. Can you can you spot me 5,000,000,000 till tomorrow? Sure. I got you. Well, 2008 happened, then they're like, actually, we can't. We we just looked at Bear Stearns go into the toilet, and we don't know that you're not the next Bear Stearns because we're all really good at hiding our,   dishonesty in our in our, liability.  

So, no, we can't loan you a $100,000,000.  

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Absolutely not. So when we play monopoly   we put him out. Well, SB Elger is our banker.  

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Hey, Sean. That 300 used cash at me hasn't gone through yet. You wanna send it to me? Be 3 to 5,  

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3 to 5 spider days, Jim.   Oh, hey. I forgot I bought us all spiders.   I know I gave you guys spiders once before, but there was some 3 d printed spiders.   I got, 3 white, 3 black.   Wow. So I guess that's all of us. Just 6 6 spiders are available.   I was thinking to lay them all on a piece of, plywood or something and mold them   just because it was funny. Do you have a spider mold?   Fed now. Yeah. But they're they're these are printed so that they're they're flexible. See the wiggle?  

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Looks like Carrie's from Axel is saying cash is still king. Spiders wiggle on the web.  

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Oh, are the legs movable inside? Yeah. They they print like that. You know? Like, the 3 d printer, I've never looked into exactly how they do it, but it must know   it's like how to,   yeah. Yeah. It prints to the completion   And then has the telemetry   to start a new spot or whatever.   Either that or, oh, you know what? I bet it is. It just prints with the little bracing on there and then you have to break that off to make it work bet. Yep.  

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So a little little tip to share quickly for people who don't have Telegram, don't ever want Telegram, but they still wanna see what's going on on Telegram.   Httpscolonforward/t.me   spiderswelcomeweb   is one way to get there.   But if you preview it in chat, you include an   /s somewhere there. You see this? So it would be t.meforward/sforward/weavingspiders.   And then in a web browser,   You can see the channel   where we post the   links to the stream. So if you're looking for a past episode from 10 months ago And you scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll up. You could probably find it   there.  

That's different from the Chat. If you want to chat and say things   in the chat, that's a different   URL, and that will be Through the Telegram app that we have set up for now for as long as it's still fun   and   usable.   So use it now   And enjoy it.   Don't know how long the Telegram part will last. We said that when we first set it up.   We might jump to another private group at some point too.   So all of this is subject to change as   Technology changes and updates keep happening.   And even with our StreamYard, we've stripped it from Zoom. Now we're to StreamYard. StreamYard works sometimes, but we still have to test Our audio, everything seems to be   a test, and we are maybe the guinea pigs   always being   tested on.  

But I think my sound's working tonight. You guys can hear me okay?  

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We can hear you. Very good.  

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Excellent. I ain't heard a fucking thing.  

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It's weird how he answered this question.  

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Yeah. You know what? Don't think about it, Sean.   Telepathy.  

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The telepathy is working tonight.  

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That's the kind of stuff that always gets you in trouble when you're overhearing a third party conversation, and you're like, well, this guy's lying. I mean, what did you say? He's not even tracking. And so then you have to decide, like, are you gonna point out?   Like,   fire and he's trying to think for a line of bull.  

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There's some questions about,   the involvement of 3 letter agencies and intelligence groups using   Gamification   and stuff to get young people into   metaverse.   I don't know.   I don't know.  

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Well, that's the that's been the name of the Internet this whole time, guys.   Yeah. You know? DARPA started it, and then they're like, hey. I think it's ready. Let's give it to the people, and we'll tell them that it's an infinite narcissist machine. Right. And the and the people are like, hooey. Life's a  

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family. I think Jim and I actually watched,   somebody play through the metaverse, And it was so awful.   I would picture this.  

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None of these tricks are gonna get anybody into that world. There's no way. It's all, like, little kids that are under not gonna happen. 8 years old.  

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Oh, no.   Yeah. 8 year old children   opinion that's a bridge too far For some   people.  

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They have we don't know what it's gonna do to us fully developed reasonably well developed adults.   Mhmm. So, I mean, you know what? Try it one time, probably pretty harmless. Let your kid, starting at 8 years old, use VR on a semi regular basis.   Probably really not a good idea. You know what I mean? You know he's already gonna hit, like, 16 or 17 and fuck his brain up by smoking too much pot or something worse.   So you probably don't wanna add VR to the list of,   maladaptive   things.  

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So they have bars. They have adults only only rooms in the metaverse,   but the security that they have to keep younger people out is you have to spread your arms As wide as they go. And if it's like if you're 3 feet wide or less That's so funny. Then you're too young, and they won't let you in. So no kid is figuring out, like about my wife.  

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My wife's the one I can do. Know.   Well, I bet she's not gonna be a dog. That short.  

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It's not like there's a lot to do in that world. It's not No. It's not like it's any of these amazing beautiful games. It's not Skyrim. It's not Red Dead Redemption. Exaggerate very well.  

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There's no legs. You don't even have legs? Have legs. Yeah. What do you think No. I think it's for some other reason. That that's the curiosity I always live with. Like, what's the real   I mean, a, we don't we can't prove how much money or resources they really put into it. They can claim on paper that they spent, you know,   $50,000,000,000 to build it, but we have no idea what they really did to to get it Tom Sawyer onto the Internet. And I think it's probably   something different than what they claim it is because everything is.  

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They say you get your own little house there, But everybody's got the same house. Right. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I don't want a house that looks just like yours. Yeah.   At least in animal crossing, I can buy new furniture and move it around. If you move into any city, it's pretty if you move into any   Sadie, it's pretty much the same. Your problem I have was living in the city also. Clip.   Yeah.  

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I I heard that when they were developing the technology,   there was hopes that it would become a shopping portal.   So it would be a virtual mall that your avatar would walk through because going to an actual mall, You might experience the  

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Oh, yeah. The Nephilou  

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Nephilou with squirt guns. Nephilou.   Those guys might show up at the mall and set up fireworks, and it might be dangerous.   So to go to a virtual   mall from the safety of your own Home.   Basically, this would be like your shopping in a sharper image Sears catalog thing, but it would be like a 3 d experience.   So you'd be so immersed in the experience, and they'd be playing the cool soothing music, and the lights would be flashing. And you'd be in a virtual mall, And then you'd be like, wow. I can buy this,   thing that I don't need.  

But just by thinking about it and then it shipped to my house   Makes shopping so much fun.  

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Wait. Do you have virtual house or your real house? Well,  

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both. Both. Because   Because with the idea of digital items   selling for real world money,   people were buying   castles   In fantasy role playing games that are only existing online,   but spending   15   actual $1,000   On something   in a real world   in hopes of   the game becoming more popular   And there being only one castle in the game, and now   and now no one can copy the castle, so they have to pay real money   to buy the actual castle, but it turns out that the company store can just   produce another castle, copy it, paste Sit in. And now   now there's 30 castles whenever when when previously there's only 3.  

It's kind of the inflation of the digital Biden Biden economical  

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model of It's a hassle of just copy paste copy paste. Rare but serious.  

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Right. It's not even bouncy.  

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What's the worst part about it? It's not even bouncy.  

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It's not a Now we've been out to make The most brilliant,   underhanded insult for an actual castle owner. Like, they're showing you their real castle, The Hearst Castle, Hearst Mansion or something. It's like, it's not even bouncy.  

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Yeah.  

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You gotta take your Shoes on. You can actually go, you know, like Have you been looking at my bookshelf?  

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How did you know? I was thinking Hertz Castle.  

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They don't go We used to drive by it sometimes. No. That's a crazy place.   Yeah. Right up there by the, Winchester Mystery  

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House. Right. And I I keep forgetting that there was a time before computer screens   Showed photos   instantaneously.   You'd have to go to a library   to see   A picture   of Napoleon at the Sphinx. I don't know if there's a painting. I think it's a painting.   So all of these pictures that we have available so easily   used to have to be printed on paper in full color, and then you have, like, a coffee table book to see the images.  

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Don't worry. There's a coffee. Much to print it. $27.95.  

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And then at some point, it was like they list the Canadian price because it would be more or less United States dollar price. Do you remember that?  

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You would think that if dog could feel that there was a dog getting bit like   they say it does.   You think that the Sphinx had a roaring head like they say it does?   At that point,   Napoleon would have been real interested in that. Like, hey, man. Here's a whole cavern down here. Yeah.  

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It's   a big sand castle they can build over the sphinx. Just keep piling up the sand and completely cover up all of   Egypt.  

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That sand, it gets everywhere and all the cracks. Uh-oh.  

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But so does land, period. So where does the extra land come from?   Good question.  

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I think that the universe is always creating more.   Well, it it ebbs and flows like, Bree As evidenced by volcanoes?   In out. In out. In out. Just a little bit more and then a little bit more. It's like a it's like a rest and then a grove and then a rest and then a grove.  

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Just like the real life.  

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Yeah.  

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But I'm gonna have to bill you guys because, something just came up, and I got a few big jobs. So  

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Every single night, Sean. Love you, bro. Yeah. Good night. Every single location is basically,   built on the back of another   Civilization. All these,   all these great monuments and fucking buildings,   they find out they're on top of another building, on top another fucking building.   You know? Sometimes on top of yet another fucking building.  

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Yeah. Like Most most American cities are like that.   You know, underneath the street, there's another street.   And a a whole a whole   Story of the buildings   down there underground that they don't they just board up.   I know it is here in Walla Walla.   I had a friend.   She had a a little shop,   and she's like, you gotta see my basement. It's huge. And I was like, you're right. The shop was tiny.   She took me down there, and it just, like, went down, and then it opened up into the whole and you could see all the buildings.   And there was, like, all these   pillars holding up the street, holding up everything. It was just cobwebs, and there was, like, glass in these storefront windows.  

Insane.   Just, like, forgotten about. Weird.   Yeah.  

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Yeah. See? The juice didn't, the juice didn't even need to do any tunneling. They could've just found small used unused tunnels.   Not very smart. Probably did. Yeah.   Was yeah. They they actually didn't dig anything. They just had they just claimed it.   Oh, it's It is it is one of their things.  

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What's that? This is a classic film, mazes and monsters.  

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Tom Hanks. Oh, is that a video game? Oh, it's a movie.   And a game?  

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I don't know if it's a game.  

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Jammed. Look it up.  

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Could be a game.  

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They didn't do any digging. It's like they didn't work on no pyramids, Billy.   They don't do nothing.   They just find something that was there and claim that they did it, fuckers.   Give us some shackles. We we we did a bunch of work here. We we we some we got robbed. We were slaves. We need shackles.  

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This maze is a monster's movie with Tom Hanks is based off of a news story   that was maybe inaccurate   about another guy who let's see. Where did my tab go?   Mazes and monsters. Let's see.   Inaccurate newspaper story about the disappearance of 1 James Dallas Egbert the 3rd   from Michigan State University 1979.   Early media accounts overemphasize   Edgar's participation   in fantasy role playing,   speculating that his hobby of Dungeons and Dragons might have been a factor   in his disappearance,   wanting to actually go and just that is fucking name. It's the dumbest name ever. James Dallas, Edward 3rd? That's a pretty good character name. Not for of a reason.  

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Mhmm.  

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William Dear, the private investigator hired to to get the case explained actual events and the reasons behind the media myth in his 1984 book, the dungeon master.   And then, this guy wrote a novel   in a matter of days, fearing that another author might be fictionalizing this Agbird investigations,   this would tie us back to schizophrenia.   Says like the book on which it is based, the film touches on the claim that playing role playing games   could be related to psychological   problems.   At least one protagonist is or appears to be suffering from   schizophrenia   or some other condition.  

So the idea   that it would become very difficult   to determine the difference between the fantasy world   In real life   because you'd be so immersed   in your imagination   and your character   That you would no longer be able to return to the land of the living   and the mundane   and pay your bills and attend your classes and graduate from college.  

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Yes.   That's exactly what happens.  

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Yeah. Why would you wanna come back to the world of the mundane?  

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Right.  

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Well, I mean, we honestly saw that happen with,   like, when I was,   young.   It wasn't World of Warcraft yet, but it was Evercrack.   You know, we all had a friend we lost to Evercrack.   Right. That dude was a normal dude, and now it's just some husk of a dude sitting surrounded by fucking   Mountain Dews and chips,   Empty bags of chips and a computer.  

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Those those are the symptoms of self isolation   and ejecting yourself from   Society, it could have been ever crack. It could have been anything at any point in history that was available for someone to   obsessed over,   lose themselves in. Could be alcohol, it could be any number of foods, it could be   It could be anything.   At this point in history,   Dungeons and Dragons was the new scary thing,   and I think parents were   concern, and there's always this sort of contingent of parent teacher   groups that are,   concerned about Pokemon cards. When Pokemon cards   Became,   very popular   in schools,   then there's reports that, well, these cards were costing too much money, and people We're stealing other,   Charizard cards   or whatever violence was erupting because the ballpark card are these are too important. And And people weren't focusing on classes because they were just   memorizing the names of the Pokemon or doing other things that weren't related to what they should have been Doing   and Pokemon got blamed in that instance.  

But now it's maybe the new thing, Fortnite or   whatever Pal World game has just released. That's maybe a copy of Pokemon where the Pokemon become guns and then you use the   The pocket monsters to, somehow become the elemental element of your gun, and you put it in there. And people have been playing this game nonstop since it's released.   They get really addicted to that gameplay loop.  

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It's easy to do.  

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Speaking of mundane,   another author that we thought would be really fun to have on the show was Piers Anthony.  

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Oh, yeah. Grand novels. Oh,  

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you got some of those books. That guy's still fucking alive?  

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I think so. I think he is. He is. He's I mean, he pulled out so many books, so many.   There's no way I could have gotten through all  

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And and they were such odd books.  

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Like, they were a lot of fun.  

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Yeah. So Yeah. Well, he's still alive. He's fucking he's fucking he's damn near 90.  

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He'd be a fun guy to talk to.  

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Yeah. And Yeah. We are now thinking of more questions that we would have wanted to ask,   author Richard Allen. And that's just, the place to leave comments.   Hello   on Rockfin and YouTube,   and, I'm putting my email address out there   As well.   I think that's in the comments. Just thankful?   With one l, but 2 l's in Allen.   I was going to, comment on Richard   having,   Allen spelled the same way that I spell it As well. So we have that in common, but I didn't wanna gush and fanboy too much and scare him away.   We have so much in common. Our names are spelled alike alike, and we we like the same races of characters and   we write we read out the same books. I mean, you write them, I read them, but it was Same book and I love   him. All the sort of  

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exuberance. Stuff. Pretty, guys.   Yeah. I was trying not to fanboy too because fucking,   like I said,   like, literally, I've probably read   Just in Dragonlance alone, I've read over a 100 books, and his was the start of that. He he started me in the fantasy genre, Period. And I probably read 10,000 fantasy books or so. Fucking,   like,   so much just because of this dude.  

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Yeah. It's like a gateway drug to reading other books.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. Because of course, once I read Legend of Humana, I had to go back and read,   I had to go back and read the original 6 books of the   The series, the ones that, he he mentioned,   Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman.   Mhmm.   And I had to go back and read those.   And then,   of course, then I had to read some of the other ones that came out. And then   now that I'm reading fantasy books,   I mean, I   had read,   some of the more, you know, classics like, you know, Lord of the Rings, But I hadn't really delved into the new fantasy genre stuff.   You know, like I've said before, like, when you look back in, like, the   Early eighties and shit. Before,   this he was kind he was kind on the start of this fantasy genre era.  

Before that, you had, like, turns men of gore and a few other odd and end books that were just odd books. That's all they were. You know, it would it wasn't really a genre yet.  

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Yeah. And, once you   Read. Now you'll discover that there are nonfiction books,   and there's books that teach you how to fish and build houses and   Study herbs and plants and rocks and minerals and things.   So to get   a person, a young person, a child   reading early with anything that they wanna read,   you know, that's probably a good thing to do to get them into the habit of becoming lifelong readers.  

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Yeah.   I wonder if, nonfiction writers are right handed.   A lot of fiction fantasy writers are left handed.  

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You know?  

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The whole right brain, left brain thing. You know? You use your   You're primarily using your right brain if you're left handed. Mhmm. That's your, creative side. Mhmm.   Probably a lot of right handed accountants,   I would think.   My dogs are fighting on me.  

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Quit. We we do have a kind of a full moon time. The only was it full It's just risen. Last night.  

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It has risen.  

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It's been rizzed. It has rizzed?   Well, you say you say that, and now I'm gonna have   to share the the The sad news that they are   they Disney   is going ahead with creating a third Tron   movie   without the leading actor that we love, Bridges, Jeff Bridges.   And I don't know that Jeff Oh, yeah? With him either. So they're just gonna keep making neutron movies.  

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Is Jeff Bridges still alive? Second Tron movie. I vaguely oh, yeah. Jeff Bridges is still alive.  

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Oh, sure. Let's get him on the stream sometime.  

[02:21:16] Unknown:

Good idea. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. You can talk to them all. Right? Yep. We love I'm like, dude.  

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Good. Comments on, the new   Tron movie. Sure.   And Dune 2 is going to be in theaters in the next few weeks. And I think that,   Warner Brothers is already telling themselves that it will be successful, and they will go ahead and do Dune Messiah.  

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I would have to agree.   Given,   you know, I mean, the the,   You know, small hat writers with the large noses and the bucket and the rubby fingers. You know, like, while I'm not   I don't believe that they're good writers at all. You know, that writing strike,   it's for whatever reason, they didn't allow other   writing to come out either.   Although, there was a few things that came out that were,   pretty damn good like that Billy the kids series.   But then now that the the, you know, small hats are back, they cut that series off.   So there really hasn't been I don't watch much TV or movies at all? Like, you know, once   once or twice a year during the winter, I'll get something, and there's really nothing good at all this year.  



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Absolutely.  

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You you you did say small hats, and I wanted to say happy,   Holocaust remembrance day to all those who celebrate.  

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I didn't say that earlier. I waited till now.  

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We'll put that one right up there with the tooth fairy and and then, you know  

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Right. So small hats. So, Festivists  

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is at the Festivists.   You know, it's it's at the Festivists.   Mhmm.  

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Our, our friend, Elon   Musk   Elon Musk was spotted wearing one of those small hats,   little doilies on his head. I think he went and saw a little ball and wailed at it or something or touched it. Yeah. So Elon Musk, the guy who renamed Twitter to x,   Wore a little hat and left America to go to another country   with a guy named Ben Chaparral.   Yeah. It's,   Ben Shapiro chaperoned him. Is it Shapiro?  

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You know that guy? Isn't he a rapper?  

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Shapiro?   Shapiro?   Yeah. He's a rapper, I think. I think he's a media guy. I think he has a streamer or a show that he does.  

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No. You're you're wrong.  

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No. You were happy. I've been wrong many times.   Oh,   p or   b? Rap  

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rap rabbi? He's a rapper. Or a rapper. He's a rapper.  

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Okay.   I think I'm getting the my wires crossed a little bit, but I think I understand what   Maybe we're talking about little little hat guys?   Yeah. Yeah. Like, the the hierarchy of little hat guys. Okay.  

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Well, no. He's he's he's   hold on. I'll show you.   Right. I you're just confused. It's okay.  

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Here we go. Here we go. I'm hearing the music. I'm not seeing it.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. I had to get past the commercial, and here you go.   Share   screen.   Select window.   Now why why is that my fucking options?  

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Oh, Tom Tom Thomas McDonald,   the doodle bear guy, the guy with the doodle bear face tattoos.  

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Doodle bear.  

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Remember those doodle bears? You draw all over their bodies, and then you'd throw them in the washer machine. They spin around, and they come out all all clean. And then you'd   It's not like an ethic cleansing thing, though. It's just like Tom MacDoodleBear.  

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Tom MacDoodleBear.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Those 6 those 2 sang a rap together.  

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6,000,000  

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fleas. They do the bear guy and and and Bear Shapiro.  

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Don't see the video yet.  

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Hold on. It's not it was it was being dumb, and it was gonna do that thing where,   It made, like, the, like, the 50 copies of it, and they get smaller and smaller   as it goes.   It was gonna do that shit to me, So I had to switch up to this other,   this other thing.   Here we go. Now I can do it. Where is that?   Arms.  

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Brought to you by Skylink.   Our sponsor for the show tonight.   And every night. Giving Internet to everyone everywhere   At all times, whether they want it or not. I don't know why this thing   You have to share it to the producer. Yeah. The Ben Shapiro guy.  

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Why isn't it letting me   pull that up?  

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We're they're still testing the sound.  

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Really, it's been really tough for me   for something they changed in,   StreamYard.   Uh-huh.   Some security.   Or maybe it's the YouTube,   pop up blockers that have been   Making things suck.  

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The ad blocking game. There we go.  

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Oh my gosh.  

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Is  

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he around about him? What about him now?  

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What what about him? Yeah. Why is he Well, he was he was   huge.  

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Right. So it's Marcus was saying that he's a I was trying to tell Marcus that he's a rapper, And he didn't he didn't know.  

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I thought I thought  

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Comes across very right wing. Like, he lean he tends to attract a very right way to tell. Right way too.  

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Yeah. Right?  

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I was freaking out that, Ben Shapiro  

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Was rapping with Tom, Doodle Bear McDonald in a music video. I thought you were saying that we're replacing the Peas with the b's, so he wouldn't say the word rabbi, but we would call them rappers   instead.  

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And that was, like,  

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That's a lot of hoops to jump through just to not wear a tiny hat on your head   and have to go to the No. He's a rapper.   But he's literally a rapper. This is this is what the, simulation wants. He wants to be a rapper. Oh, he was looking hard too with that That What's the doodle bar tattoos? Man, is Ben Shapiro going to get some, swastikas   tattooed on his face and then later removed?   Maybe get some concrete dump trucks tattooed   on his   face.   All the hate symbols so we know what not Symbols. What symbols not to use?   It's such it's such a joke because we go to Wikipedia to find out what are the Cuss words, the curse words, and the racist words to rename our birds.  

But it's all listed online. They give you a whole list of These are the hate speeches. These are the hate symbols, symbols of hate. So they tell us what they are,   and then it's like, well, don't use them, but here they are.  

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But don't use them. But don't use them. I'm still trying to figure out how many ovens it is to cook cook 6,000,000 pizzas.   It's a lot of ovens.  

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I have not been able to make this calculation. I am not a right handed accountant to to factualize   That actuarial   scientific table.  

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Come on, guys.  

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Yeah.   There there's a picture of Elon Musk with the pope, pope Francis,   who   Has decided now, I guess, the, Catholic church has decided now to,   give blessings away to   Gay people, but the distinction is   they are 2 people standing side by side that are each receiving their blessings, or maybe they're receiving the blessing   Together, but not because of their their marriage situation or their dating situation.  

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Some of them are blessing bottoms, and some of them are blessing tops.  

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Uh-huh.   Yeah. So that's a weird cultural thing I didn't think I'd ever see in my lifetime that the the pope would even   Play nice.   I don't know.   So seeing Ben Chaparral   with,   Thomas,   McDoodlebear.  

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Who whose girlfriend's name is Nova Rockefeller.  

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Rockafella.   Wow. But she's rocked a fella in her lifetime.  

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Yeah.   Doodle bear.   Yeah.  

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Other doodle bear commercials we can look at. I think that's where I first learned about the doodle bear.  

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It's very interesting.   You know,   and then you look at,   what else is happening politically.   I mean, they're pushing a civil war hard.   I just read right before the show   where a senator of Georgia   was saying that we now have   a a official divide, and we just need to quit being a country. And we'll be us, and they'd be them. Because,   25 states have signed on to back Texas,   and a lot of those and quite a few of those states have already sent National Guard to Texas to help with this   Problem. Right.  

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The only problem I see is that not everybody in Texas has a doodle bear.  

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Yeah. There is no doodle bears.  

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Everybody could write their grievances on a doodle bear backpack.   So this would bring about world peace.   Everyone gets a doodle bear. Maybe it's named Rosie,  

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doodle bear tag. Did he say  

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I love you. I hate you, but you're my doodle bear always.  

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Drop it right in, see how see how the ethnic cleansing works there. I went I wonder which one of these doodle bears is Tom and which one's Ben.  

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Drop it right in. Comes right out clean.   See, the only missed opportunity that Tyco had here was that they didn't   They didn't partner with Tide Pods or any sort of detergent   that would be best used to remove the, washable ink from the the doodle bear.   No one's thinking about,   selling,   more markers.   But once they install that doodle bear in your house, you're gonna need more markers and more laundry detergent.  

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Yeah.  

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It is. Smart Next thing you know, there's next thing you know, there's dudes with little hats that walk around acting like they're the shit.   I think it's okay. Hanging out for no reason. Apparently, looking hard and shit.   Let's let's let's let's bring Shapiro.   Oh, dude, you have never been in a fight. Don't stand there looking hard, You weirdo.  

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Yeah. Shapiro isn't my Sherpa. I'm not a I'm not a flock.   I'm not a sheep. I'm not ready to be fleeced just yet.   No, sir.  

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Nobody believes your people picked up big heavy blocks. Nobody believes that.   You   fucking yachtses. You can't pick up anything. Nobody believes you can fight. No nothing.   But pretending.   You and Doodle Bear over there fucking couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag.  

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Do we need to read the lyrics of that song to determine what they're even talking about?   Is there a message to the music?  

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It's it's, you know, just mostly hardcore.   You know, basically, well, we could watch Fox for 12 minutes, and we we could find the message. Okay.   Yeah. It's just a hard right wing push.  

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Well, you know,   I I I do ask jam. Guests what their favorite Christian band is   because if I were to ask them what their favorite Jewish band or Muslim band or   And other other religions in the world beyond that.  

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Dude, I I had trouble pulling a Christian band when you asked me that shit. I drew a fucking blank. I'm like,   band.  

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Right. Yeah. What?  

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Well, just favorite even say panic thing. Yeah. Oh, that's Like, the the big one. Kids or something? What are you asking me? What's the songs is Larry?  

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Larry's a cucumber. He likes silly songs.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Like, what what are you asking? I like the the the the fucking veggie tails or something. What are you asking me?   Like,   Richard Nack did not do better with it either. He's just, like it just went dead silent. Like Okay. So is it a a get out the vote?  

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Yeah. Vote for your favorite Christian music band so they show up on Tori. What you're talking  

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about. Exactly.   It it's one of those things where and it's a very interesting   thing because then also,   like, jelly roll was just in front of congress   And, you know, talking about the Fentanyl and blah blah. And so it's like,   there's this   Very dirty representation   that's supposed to be of the people.   You know, where you got, Jelly Roll, who's not country at all. Like, there's nothing country about his fucking music. His bar music is all it is. Like,   if I can and, you know, his Cut his music's appealing to a a people that is feeling very beat down and oppressed.   And,   You know? And with that beat down and oppression, you turn to drugs, things like that. Well,   his music is is very much   reaching those people. So they're using guys like him and Tom McDonald,   because the conservative   Big. The conservative   base   Needs to expand, and it doesn't it no longer has   that 19 fifties.  

I will I'm gonna go to work in my little overcoat, in my little Hi and blah blah. That that's not who who it is. It's so they're trying to reach more of the the base that, you know, the tattooed up,   more hardcore. But they also even even though you're tattooed up in hardcore, I don't mean you want, you know, trannies  

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Rubbing their junk in your kids' face while they're supposedly That's that's mentioned right here. That's mentioned right here in this verse.  

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Yeah. So so they're reaching to the   BLM. Dragging in that,   yeah, they're dragging in and dragging that into the conservative base. But then with the conservative base, like you see right here,   they're gonna push the if you're conservative, you also have to be pro   Israel pro   small hat. Okay. You know?   And just like in this video,   He Tom McDonald is playing a conservative. And look here, this here's this small hat next to me who's this little nerdy fuck   That goes around to colleges arguing with college kids, and I'm gonna pretend like we're cool and together.  

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It's weird for a gangster rapper   imitator here to,   want police not to be defunded or or something. I Thought the whole thing was, like, f the police.   This is just weird. How long does it go for? Overst to Ben Shapiro.   Wow. So he says, let's look at the stats. I've got the facts. My money like Lizzo, my pockets are fat.   Homie, I'm epic. Don't be a wap dog. It's a yamaka, homie. No cap. Look at the graphs. Look at my charts. You're blowing money on strippers and cars. You're going to prison. I'm on television,   dog.  

No one knows who you are. Keep hating me on the Internet.   My comments section all woke Karens,   and I make racks of compound interest. He's admitting   it.   Y'all live with your parents. Yeah, dude.  

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Straight up. Straight that's fucked up. And off compound interest, not even simple interest like you should Anybody that doesn't know because they don't teach they don't teach people. They're both usury,   But compound interest is a really evil usury because for people that don't know because they don't teach these kind of things anymore.   Simple interest means that your interest is accrued daily. So if I make a double payment,   now my Principal is lower, and every day, the the,   interest is accrued according to the principal.   On a compound interest loan, It doesn't matter   what I do in my payments. The interest of a, say, 30 year loan is already worked into the loan, And I can pay that thing off in 5 years, and it will save me not a single penny because that all the entirety of the interest is worked into into the loan and Impound interest loan. So it's a really fuck over the person.  

There's no   incentive for you to try and   Pay off the loan early or get ahead or anything. They're gonna fuck you no matter what. And that's that's a 30 shit.   Yeah.   Yeah.   He's bragging. Forward and brag. Back.   Oh, dude. Dude, I could do we could do a parody of this. We could do a parody of it. It writes itself.  

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See, this is this is the thing. This is the Issue. I don't know that it'll make it on YouTube for very long.   But this is this is the issue we're having. They're already rapping these verses that are sort of tongue in cheek.   So there's not really a whole level of sincerity there.   You it's hard to parody   something that's already   sort of like a parody.   It's just like   It's like if you make a comedy   and then you try to make a parody of the comedy   and then you try to make a parody of parody of the comedy, it's it's so far removed from an original idea.   It's just a joke retelling a joke, retelling a joke,   But, like, changing the words to say   instead of it being this side I don't like, now I replace it with I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy.  

Right. So it's like a rapper with the tiff. Like, he doesn't like he doesn't like the woke people, but then it's like the woke people   would take his verse and then replace it, but it's not a rap battle. It's just   I rewrote the history of it. I rewrote the lyrics. So I changed the genders that affirm my systems of belief   better.   Gotcha.   Was was a victory really achieved there?  

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And, really, how how much more what what can you parody when he puts in there? That's almost like the M and M thing   Where when he's talking   and shit about himself or whatever supposedly on 8 mile or whatever, like, when he's like and I and I live love compound   interest. Like,   Well, you're already saying the shit I was gonna say.   Hey. Right. Yeah. No. That's what I was gonna talk to you about.   Right. I don't know what to say now.  

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I'm wealthy   because   I am making compound interest.   My money is making money for me. Your poor stay poor because you're paying these bankers   For all of your credit cards and all the things that you need just to be able to live on the basics,   Just the essentials to get by. Rent and food and electricity and   maybe a little gas if they allow you to have an oven   In your home or apartment? Well,  

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everything that he listed was all shit things. Like, oh, so you're so you're known. You you go around to colleges and argue with college kids.   Like, that's what you're famous for. That's big fucking deal. You get a bunch of people shit talking you on on your   On your YouTube, well, yeah, you get all the college kids riled up. Like, it's not hard to get them little fuckers riled up. They're in college for god's sake. They're all dumb.   Yeah. No. Anybody that's worked in any field, as soon as the kid out of college comes in to get the job, you're like, what did they teach you in there? Holy shit.   Like, they are always the dumbest people that you've ever met.  

So you can't you can't do it by the Yeah. Have you seen other that cement trucks are anti Semitic too?   It's hilarious. Right. Right.   Some of it just makes me laugh.   They're like Right. We dug the tunnels under there by hand. Cement trucks are anti Semitic or else we would have short them walls up.  

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And the mattresses   in the walls Were used for noise dampening because we all know that they're recording gangster rap  

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in their tables or whatever.  

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So that's why the mattresses were there.   Okay. It's a recording studio. Gotcha.   Right. So   with   Everyone's tone, every person on Twitter and social media   has this sort of baseline position of   Satire and irony and comedy and humor,   but when our politicians   are acting like teenagers   on Twitter saying, I think I might fuck around and do a little secession later. By the way, I'm the governor of Texas.  

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Are people taking that seriously? See that? Alvin said that shit?  

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Well,   Did he or did he not? Was that a real tweet I read or was that a fake tweet? It no one can trust anything anymore. Fucking know. This has moved that holds that holds That whole Texas thing has moved fast.  

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I'm really surprised because I don't see I don't see where either side can back down and save face on this at all. They've really taken and escalated this to some real heavy heights and fast. I read something today. It was somebody's post, they were saying that Texas was actually a nation or a country first. And when they seceded when they joined the state, they kept a clause In their constitution, they could leave the United States at any time.   I don't know if it's true. I haven't looked it up.  

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Cool. Yeah. Is that part of the Alamo?  

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I know the whole damn thing is very weird, and I can't believe how fat hard it's escalated because Biden fucking immediately said they have 24 hours to back down.   And Texas and half the country said fuck off.   Like,   you know, 2026   states.   Just, like, in a day's time. This was just yesterday afternoon, dude. Right. Like, it's because the federal government The federal government went in and said, we want access to the border.   And there's a I can't remember the names of the areas, but there was a few areas that they were gonna go in and clear board,   Concertina wire and shit, and   open these areas up at Texas like the   hell you are.  

And, Nephilim.  

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If we could just get one,  

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threat   to unite us all. Texas Like, a homelian vision. So then,   the Supreme Court   Went and said that,   Biden has the right to do this. Mhmm. And they bet the supreme court backed   Biden and Texas didn't back down, and they said, fuck off. We don't care what you say. And then 25 states all signed an agreement saying, Yeah. We're with Texas.   So, basically, every all the whole the whole middle of the country. You know, you got the West Coast is With the federal government   and then the,   northeast   to Chicago.   But other than that, like, the whole big center swath of the country all said, nah. We ain't we ain't with this.  

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Right. And my my sort of, understanding of this is all through Twitter.   So I'm scratching my head thinking, when did Twitter   become the place   for officials in government   To,   make small talk and declare secession.   Like, that's how it was found out.   Right.   It's like governor of Texas.   And it's all on Twitter, but why is it hashtag governor Abbott? So it's like a Twitter war   where people are posting, you know, whether they're for or against Texas seceding or staying in the whatever. But it's all discourse happening on Twitter   at the speed of thought,   and there's no take backs.  

So it's just like an Internet flame war   with,   actual border on a map,   being the stakes, I guess.   A high stakes poker game?   And then people are screenshotting   gregabbitt_texastx   Twitter   posts or ex post and then resharing them everywhere else.   But it's so easy just to Photoshop the letters or change it   It's just the worst way to get any news,  

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but it's all developed. You're not gonna I would give an official report. You're gonna claim you're gonna say you're seceding from the country, and you're not gonna come out and, like,   Have a little team of people   and give a little add address to the nation or something.  

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Give me a link to their official web page so I know it's   official   government   of Texas   Web page statement.   But just because,  

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it has a blue check mark on Twitter, I'm supposed to believe that they are an official source. So Yeah. Like, like, it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's fucking his   His, under   study or whatever the fuck was up late, butt fucking one of his fucking   other   The helper people, and they made a tweet because he left his phone in the office.  



[02:49:28] Unknown:

Sure. Sure. Yeah.   That'd be real embarrassing. Well, that happened too with the SEC, the Security Exchange Commission.   They accidentally made a post regarding Bitcoin,   And then they said, oops. We were hacked.   Uh-huh.   Uh-huh. The the security and exchange   Commissions.   Twitter x account was hacked.   So we're taking that post back, but people were buying and selling and trading based off of a tweet   That was apparently hacked.   So I'm just saying it's probably a really bad way to have a democracy or do a little democracy   Online through Twitter or x or whatever it is.  



[02:50:11] Unknown:

But, I mean, we know that we know that he did that. This is happening because, like I said, 20   5 other states   have signed some,   agreement or announcement   stating they stand with Texas. And a number of those states had already sent even prior to this, had sent   National Guard to Texas because so many people are you know, this whole border thing,   Listening to the senate hearings, I believe they said something like 1,800,000   immigrants came in last year,   which is   insane.   An insane   number of fucking people.   And that's the numbers that they know of. Like, that's what they're admitting to. Million number again  

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Under president vice president policies,   more than 6,000,000   more than 6,000,000 illegal immigrants   Have crossed our southern border in just 3 years.   That is more than the population of 33.   That is more than a population of 33   different states in this country.   This illegal refusal to protect the States has inflicted unprecedented   harm   on the capital p people   all across the capital United States,   US.   The US.   James Madison, Alexander Hamilton,   and other visionaries who wrote the US constitution   Foresaw   that states should not be left to the mercy of a lawless president   who does nothing to stop external threats   Like   cartels smuggling   millions of illegal immigrants across the border.  

That is why the framers included both article 4 section 4,   which promises that The federal government in quotes shall protect each   state against invasion,   end quote. And article   1 section 10 clause 3 which acknowledges   the state's   sovereign interest in protecting their borders.   On and on it goes. Signed Greg Abbott, government governor of Texas.   This JPEG   shared to Twitter   Announcing this very important thing. I don't know why this is not   on the official Texas   State of Texas website,   do they even have an official web page   where they can post   official   documents?  



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I've I've not seen anything about what Nela's saying there, but I can believe that.   They're saying because I've seen a bunch of reports saying that they're giving these People money and a cell phone when they're   coming across.   Well, fuck. If 6,000,000 people all got money in a cell phone, they need to take that. They take need to get that from somewhere, so they're gonna quit giving us back taxes. You fucking hear right.  

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That I I don't I don't have any problem even mad at all. That makes people real angry. You hit them in the pocketbook, and then they just go out and do a little,   revolutionary   war dance,   Circle jerk thing where they get real angry and point guns at people and, you know, bullets kill people. It's not the guns.  

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The bullets killed people. So they've been pushing a civil war for some time, and then you add to this   that they've they've pulled Trump off a number of ballots.   So they're trying to take away the whole,   democracy thing, period,   pulling Trump off a different ballot. It's like, if you aren't gonna let him vote for the guy, if he's blocked on the ballot where you can't even write him in, you've stopped democracy.   You're asking for a civil war. You're fucking asking for it. And then you've got this going on now. They're just pushing it.   What I'm what I'm not   what I'm trying to rash understand is   I I've, for some time, been believing that they've been pushing   for a a hard right swing,   a hard conservative swing.  

But now it looks like this just might entirely fall apart, and they've got to know that if we don't if one side or the other doesn't   definitively win and we end up as a split nation,   we're gonna get picked off by other by other nations by other larger nations. We're getting picked off. There's no doubt.   Like, if we don't   if we can't win, which I don't see how that could happen no matter what, because I I actually served in the army.   Our our   military   is right now, I believe, 1,400,000   soldiers. That's everything. That's army, navy,   Marines, reserves,   the whole fucking 9. The coast guard, 1,400,000.  

That ain't shit. That isn't shit.   So, like   and people don't understand   that to take like,   If you're gonna go up to, like, the mountains or people's farms out in the country, and you're gonna march across that land,   Them farmers know every stupid little hidey hole,   every little ravine that you can't be seen from, all those little things. And they all got 30 odd sixes, And there is no protecting yourself from that. Like, the the level of armor you would have to wear to stop a 30 odd 6 would make it so you can't even hardly walk.   And they all got those things. And that means you've got to send a giant number of people to take out every little farm. Well, you've only got 1,400,000   people to work with. And if it's a civil war,   you're all military.  

Out of that 1,400,000,   At least half is gonna bail on you. They're gonna go they're like, I'm not shooting at my own people. Fuck you. I'm joining them. I'm taking That's that's that's for a Order dispute.  

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There's other ways to have a war.   And if it's a financial economic war   And people are having to choose between   eating   or paying their rent   or staying warm   Because they don't have   the funds to do any of these things. Well, that's that's the real war. Right? They just   Stop the slow the they slow the spread of money,   and then they flood the pool of total dollars with the inflation.   So you're making less money.   Your money is purchasing less stuff because the purchasing power's gone down. At some point   At some point on the chart, lines are gonna get crossed, and it's going to be, well, I no longer can live.   I can no longer afford to live.  

I gotta do something. Something has to change.   So does that give you to go to the ballot box and vote in Remember, I vote for the candidate who offers me the most universal basic income.  

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A nightmare. And where do they think that that universal basic income comes from? If you are able to live off of that use universal basic income,   enough people will quit producing   to where now that They're gonna have to take that much more from the people that are producing   until fucking eventually, there's more ticks on that dog than that dog can fucking live through, And it just gives out. Yes.  

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Well, look at a country like Germany,   And then look at their numbers of   their outputs in their steel production   where Germany has become completely   deindustrialized.   Yeah. What are they going to do?   America.   America has become Completely deindustrialized.   Deindustrialized.   We don't have factories.   We don't even make most of our  

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said that this was happening. Ross Moe said this was gonna be the result of NAFTA.  

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Our set is coming from Mexico.   Yeah. I'm in Minnesota.   How much of my food, in quotes, Food. Food like objects, stuff at the grocery store. How much of it comes from   Mexico?   A lot of it. A huge amount of it.   So we're not even growing our own food and shipping into our grocery stores?  

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Most of most farms are Getting paid to not grow anything   in a lot of ways. You know?   Just   and that's what the farmers want because it's easier.  

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Mhmm.  

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But Well, and and the thing is is is we turned into this heavy monocropping is what really happened.   So before where let's say I own 15 plots of land, and   I'm probably and I'm just a small far I'm a Farmer, you know, and I'm gonna go into town and sell my goods. I'm probably gonna choose maybe 4 or 5 plots that are gonna have the same thing on them because that's, like, my best Selling thing. But chances are that I'm gonna choose   to grow   6, 8 different things.   In today's world,   what we have is because of monoculture,   the entire Midwest,   you can drive through any port Portion of, like, Nebraska. The entire fucking   state grows corn. Like, there is almost nothing else in them fields. You drive through there in the fall, You're ready to kill yourself from the seeing nothing but corn stalks. You know, 6 feet, 8 feet high   all day for hours. You're like, Jesus god. Plant something else. You you drive through,   South Dakota, and it's real heavy in soybeans   Because the entire state, you know,   your fruits and vegetables,   the Midwest,   it's not a you've got a very short grow season.  

So your,   like, summer squashes,   your, fruits and vegetables,   it doesn't do well for them. So now you got now you're relying on shipping because you're monoculturing   out entire areas.   You're not just monoculturing   1 farm. You're monoculturing   entire areas, and then depending on shipping,   to transfer the foods back and forth. You're getting your grains and whatnot in the Midwest,   And you're getting your fruits and vegetables from California and Mexico,   and they're they're trading. And that's why in the Midwest,   You go there. The the fresh vegetables   are nonexistent. It's horrible there,   because those don't transport well, but the grains, the grains transport real sport well. But the grains the grains transport real nice.  



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Yeah. And and monocropping,   it's   That was the thing that led to the the potato famine.   They   all the farmers were urged to grow one kind of potato instead of growing One of, you know, many different types of potatoes.   But then some kind of blight comes in that's specific to that one kind of potato, and everybody is screwed.   Everybody every crop is on.  

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They for me, that in movies like interstellar too. Remember   All these dust bowl scenarios, it's like, well, how does that happen?   You've got this one thing, and then that one thing dies, and now you have nothing.  

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Yeah. That's what happened to bananas.   When they say there are the bananas that we used to eat back in the seventies,   Those bananas are gone because there was a blight, and it wiped them out.  

[03:02:00] Unknown:

Yeah.   You guys know that doctor Greer guy?  

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Alan Greer, the UFO  

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the UFO contact guy. Yeah. The Or Steven Steven Steven Greer.  

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Right. Right. Do you have audio? Talk talks to doctor  

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doctor Pecks. Doctor Pecks. I was just watching his   Lost century movie,   and I knew it was gonna ruffle my feathers and upset me, but I couldn't figure out what was the lie in it. What was the truth?  

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So he's on Was that c e 5? Is that what he called it?  

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That's that is something he has talked about in his newest documentary.   He's talking about the idea of what they call free energy.   We're basically   inputting   an amount of energy   And then multiplying it to maximize   energy output.   So other devices   or engines for cars   That would take in a little bit of energy maybe from a zero point or something. They didn't they don't quite explain   how it works, but they share this idea   That Lockheed,   Boeing,   other sort of companies that you know the names of   all have   access to these technologies.   So then he goes on to say that  

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The Roswell incident That they're all shooting for unity?   Right. That they're all have over unity?   Yes. Yes. Are you fucking serious?  

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This is this is he's he's speaking seriously about this topic to say that the the problem   of world hunger   will be solved   as soon as   his group   releases   and   decentralizes   and puts on the blockchain   and spreads all over   the full information.  

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On the blockchain?  

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To build a blockchain To build an overunity device.   He says the problem is   inventors   Create overunity   devices,   and then they become like golem in the Lord of the Rings to say their invention is their precious,   And they want 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars for it.   But because they don't immediately release the blueprints to build it online   At once, so it can't be erased from the Internet,   they get assassinated.  

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I've never seen an overunity device.   I've seen devices that come close to Unity, but over Unity,   like, that's fucking ins. Like, they claim that,   owner over unity was achieved 1 or 2 years ago where they ran a plasma beam through Tritium.   And,   the tritiums is what's allowing the multiplication   and holding it together because then the hydrogen energy kinda hydrogen Cones   in. And they ran it through Trivia.   And supposedly, they achieved   god. It seems like it was It was a fairly substantial   amount for, like, 15 seconds or something like that. But all these all these fucking free energy things when they're claiming them, When I because I do the I I work with these things all the time, and they never have amperage. Like, they always make claims, and whenever you see them, they'll hold up a A multimeter. You know, I have a multimeter. I have a couple of them, and then they'll show you volts, and volts don't do anything.   You need amps to do the work. The volts gotta be there and the amps. And they'll show you voltage and then magically, they never show you amperage or wattage, which is the Flow, you know, how much how much has passed over through this given point, energy has passed through, and that never happens either. Like, you're just showing me that the that the road is open. You're not showing me a car driving down it.  



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So   my analysis of this seems to be   that   people   need to do work,   Physically move their body. Lift something up. Move it. Set it down.   Build some people.   Manual labor   needs to happen   To build things. Yeah. We're living in this world where   people are convinced that Wizards online   For not doing any   physical   labor,   that's sort of this dream.  

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Everybody's got a $1,000,000 idea.   $1,000,000   idea.  

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Right.   So Steven Greer   on the scene   saying   that The military the United States military has access to these overunity devices   combined with anti gravidics   so  

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That they create Oh, big game. You're talking around over unity   and anti gravitics. He's got the whole  

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Yeah. Nice.  

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Yes.   So you are both sorry. Got a farts in a jar, he said. Farts in a jar.   Lightning in a bottle.   Right. So this documentary, it's about it's close to 2 hours, And it goes through this whole thing, setting up the history   of overunity devices. All these scientists   Develop this technology. They fall into the pride and the hubris of saying, oh, I need the money. I need the money. And then they talks about the history of   the   Military industrial complex   system being   the oil companies   And ExxonMobil   and the energy companies   having a huge monopoly on energy   and suppressing all the free energy,   Meaning over Unity devices.  

They're suppressing all that stuff, and they're assassinating the people that are trying to   Break that business model,   and the United States government   is implicit in the crime of creating poverty Because they're not giving the people the overunity devices   to then produce better crops   and more energy   Out of nothing, essentially,   to then feed everybody   and bring economic equality   to everyone everywhere.   And then   he does continue to claim that, well, the military   has created the UFOs,   Which UFO might stand for unfunded opportunity,   meaning that it's   a black budget thing, But they can't give it to consumers.  

So you cannot be a consumer, go to an airport, and decide today, I wanna ride   in the UFO   To Las Vegas and back to Minneapolis.   No. We have to go on the 747s   that use jet fuel, but maybe they don't actually use jet fuel. Maybe the airline companies are using overunity devices   and inertia and stuff,   But still charging the consumer   as if we were paying   for the fuel costs   of the airplane.  

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But This sounds awful lot like jets fly without fuel. Yeah. This sounds an awful lot like that. Sure. Sure. Yeah. But then he does not dismiss the possibility  

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that extraterrestrial   aliens   from other star systems   have visited Earth   in their own   overunity   anti flying   Tic Tac devices,   but that   The United States military   and industrialists have   re engineered those, reverse engineered them   to build their own, but they can't reveal it to the people yet.  

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But What I really want to know The c five experience, which is a real thing.   Obviously, that's from Area 51.   The the reverse engineering. Right? Dulce. Right?   So what I wanna know is is the brothel at the gate at Area 51, is that alien chicks in there servicing humans,   Or is that where aliens go to get a hooker? Do they have anti gravitic  

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beds that can move the person up and down   So that the person doesn't have to be accused of having   committed a sin because they were unmarried.   So in a Mormon mythology,   We could use the intake with Videx.   It it does seem so far outlandish   And ridiculous,   but Steven Greer doubles down on the big lie   of overunity,   free energy,   and says yes.   Also,   the   contact   of the 5th kind where it's human initiated contact, meaning I can go sit In the desert and meditate and say,   the worst alien   I wanna see I wanna see ET. I wanna see the aliens. I wanna see the lights in the sky.   But that stuff   somehow is still   organic,   magical,   mystical,   mental.  

But then he doubles down on the nuts and bolts   Materialist   reality saying   that the UAP UFO thing is in fact, yes, nuts and bolts,   Material metal of some kind that we don't have the technology to produce, but the aliens, the ETs,   They produce it in a way that it just sort of manifests all at once. So there's no welds in it. So they just kinda go woo.   Boom. UFO is produced. They they like they 3 d print it, but it doesn't go, like, layer by layer. And it's handy.   Exists At once. That's handy. So there are no seams   or welds.  



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That's it way easier than welding.   Right.  

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So it's have to, like, nanny nanny or anything when they do it? It is the most entertaining science fiction film presented as true documentary. I've seen it in a while. So for that reason, I recommend it.   It's a real head scratcher, though.   You know, it is keep getting away with that.  

[03:12:44] Unknown:

It's   like they,   they take some of the worst,   fantasies,   you know, and then they propagate them selves.   Mhmm.   You know?   It's very interesting   And how this guy I mean, this guy even spoken in front of the fucking senate. You know?  

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Yes. Yes. And we should be angry about that. Shouldn't we?   Because this guy's a total clown maybe, or is he serious, or does he believe,   or is he part of the apparatus himself?   Because he was a trauma   surgeon or something.  

[03:13:22] Unknown:

Yes, Sam. Like, how would he how would he even know all these things? Like, being able to   mentally, like I I I can even buy that if there was He's also a religious figure at this point. Can see that you could somehow mentally communicate even though you're not good at it. You could, like, Somehow get it to notice you. But it's not like he has conversations   back and forth. So how do you even know these other things? And then how would you even know if that   if you think that there's a bunch of government ones flying around, how did you distinguish between the ones that are government and the ones that aren't?   Like Right. Right. It's not significant for those.  

Out.  

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Well, he does share one instance where,   military guy was testing the anti gravidics,   flying around a base, parked it on the road, And then another guy who wasn't,   wasn't in on the top secret covert project that was happening on his military base   So then he reported that he saw a man in a military suit   walk out of, you know, the   The steps, like, there's an egg shaped thing, and then it just sort of opens up and there's steps there. And then a human walks out, shines his flashlight, looks at his   Anti gravitic bell shaped flying   saucercraft thing   waves at the guy   gets back in   stairs   come back up, and it seals itself back up, and there's no,   there's no stitches. There's no lines.  

There's no seams,   and they just whoosh, zips off.   And then this guy has to go report it to his superior's reporting officers, commanding officer, To say, I think I saw I think I saw a UFO, and I think I'm supposed to report this to you. And maybe they're all laughing at this guy,   maybe it was I don't know. It it's so far in the weeds with the anecdotes and the stories and the sort of world building   In a negative way.   But if Steven Greer   positions himself as a messiah   of some kind.   Because he's going to save the world from poverty and starvation   once he can just find one of these Yeah. He's gonna get out 0 point energy. Shit. Right. He is going to be the one within the next 10 to 20 years.  

Unity engine. This is a free energy thing, and it's gonna change everything overnight.   And then people are going to convert their   Vehicles   to this thing and then not have to buy gasoline anymore.  

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So he's already got this information, but it's gonna take him 10 to 20 years to release it is what he's saying? No. He doesn't have the information  

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because all the scientists get assassinated   have it. Before they give it to him.  

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Right. He doesn't have it. He's just sure that they do.  

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Correct. Yes. He's seen it.   He's seen the demos.   So he's letting us know that the demos are real.   But I thought at some point, this was, like, A commercial advertisement for   solar panels and electrical vehicles. No. No. No. No. Steven Greer makes fun   Of, the Tesla truck and the batteries. He says those are bad. He says he says electric vehicles are bad, And we should not be strip mining to get the materials to build batteries because we don't need batteries.   We don't need to store the power. We just need to pull it out of the ether,   and then the cars can drive themselves.  

They don't need to have gasoline anymore.  

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It's such  

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It's such a scrambling of the mind   to watch this near 2 hour documentary   to then end with a hopeful message saying   That some scientist somewhere   will give him the secret recipe to eternal life   and free energy,   The Rosetta Stone and the Philosopher's Stone,   and I was not stoned enough to watch that entire movie.  

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Doctor.  

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But it's a hopeful message.  

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The Unity Drive   sounds like a comic book,   The right.  

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Right. Wasn't that   What's that? That was in a movie, wasn't it? Is   it   I I always forget what it's called. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. That's who it is. Oh, they have a Unity Drive? Yep.   Mhmm. Or is it the Unity Drive? Is it something else?  

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Think it's a Jeffrey Epstein investment project.   I don't know where I've seen that face before. Wow. He's breathtaking.  

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He's so brave  

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and stunning.   Stunning. I think the other face was, a modern Mona Lisa   It's   a little reveal for those who've stuck around this far   in the weave   To kinda see behind the scenes.   The modern posting.   I did have some other art that we could appreciate here.   I don't know if I like this version. Do This version.   We go back? This version.  

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Oh, yeah. That's cool.   Maybe GIF it.  

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Oh, yeah. Turn into an NFT?  

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Yeah.  

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The blurry one makes me feel out of sorts.   Uh-huh. But in a good way. In a good way.  

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In a good way, I had to this other one too.   Oh.   Still a work in progress. Paperclips.   Paper clip font. I have this one version of it too. Project paper clip font. Mhmm.   We'd love we'd love other people to help us with our art project.  

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Yes.  

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Make silly images, and we'll put them in   Into the software and show them to people?   Upload them on the spiders welcome web. Yeah. It's a good place for it.   Some good campfire stories tonight we shared.  

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What a great show.  

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I wanna play a pen and paper role playing game.  

[03:20:08] Unknown:

Yes.   Let's definitely do that.   Might be maybe we should do do something live.   Play a play a real game in front of a real audience.   I don't know if I don't know if we can involve the audience in the game.   That might be fun.  

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It'd be something to think about.  

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I gotta say, I I just don't believe in free in, 0 point energy or, over unity energy. I just  

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don't.   Yeah. Pretty pretty dumb sounding  

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over unity. It would solve All the problems of life. And in a role playing game,   there needs to be a system   To keep the game fun.   If every player is given an infinite money cheat and can go and buy the heaviest armor that make them invincible, and they can never die,   then fighting the dragon   is so underwhelming   When you could just look at the dragon and say, die,   now you have a death spell that instantly slays the dragon,   then there is no adventure.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   I I I do deny the possibility of, of, over unity.   Even when you're looking at what a lot of people would consider free energy, the thing that they aren't taking into account is Just because you didn't put in the energy doesn't mean somebody didn't did. So, like,   you take and you look at my YouTube,   And I just recently, I built a Ram pump.   And the idea behind behind the Ram pump is Is I don't have to put any electricity or anything, so a lot of people call that free energy. But it's not really free. The river's putting the energy into it. And I'm and there's a heavy loss that happens   with that energy, but you're transferring rid the river's energy and using that To compress air.  

And that through the air compression, you're transferring and storing that energy. And then Through a series of valves, it forces it up through a way that it naturally wouldn't have went.   And it's a brilliant, brilliant thing.   And you're able to take and transfer a lot of energy without it costing you money   to do so, because the river's being your slave.   And so   that's not   0,   overunity,   and a lot of people don't Think about that. With over unity,   I have to achieve   more energy than what was put in, no matter what source put it in. I something put in 1 unit of power,   and somehow magically without drawing it from anywhere, I achieve   2 units   of power. And that I just don't believe in it. It it it it I don't believe that that can happen. It it   Breaks too many laws.  

Like I said, there's things that we might not understand   where something might make a multiplication   because it's Drawing it from somebody somewhere else, but I don't I don't believe in overunity.   You you know, you can't make something out of nothing.  

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No x Nilo.  

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Unless you're getting the energy from some other Dimension we're not aware of.   Like, they say that the quantum computers work, but that's still coming from somewhere.  

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Right.   You're still drawing it from somewhere. It's just not from you, which is no different than being a slave owner and saying,   fuck yeah. That thing went up no problem. Bam. Didn't hardly take me no energy at all.   No sweat. Well, yeah.   I mean, it cost them slaves? A whole lot. Well, hey.   Yeah. You know? So so that's not the same thing as overunity, and I just don't believe in overunity.  

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So you built a ramp pump?  

[03:24:21] Unknown:

Oh, yeah.  

[03:24:22] Unknown:

I've been looking at them. How how high are you are using it to pump water up up a hill?  

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Well, the first one's only about a 100 feet, and then we got another one we're gonna try and build that's gonna have to go about, I'm gonna say, 350   feet ish.   Do you know a ramp on  

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so Scott huge drop. Huge drop. You're you're getting lots of course out of that. Is that a handicap accessible  

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ramp?  

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So with the ramp up, What's going on is, like, for me,   is I've got a river, and the river is coming down at about pretty damn close to a 45.   You know,   so that's a substantial drop. For every 7 feet of that, I or every,   like,   5 feet of that, I could push 7 feet up.   And so I've gotta make my,   my push tube, which is gonna put pressure into the System   enough   with enough distance, so it has enough pressure   to push up over the distance that I wanted to push up at.   And with those, it's a real impressive,   deal   because it takes and it converts that downward pressure from the river.   And it Through a through a valve,   it   allows that to go into an air bladder, and air   compresses where water doesn't. Water don't really wanna compress, and air compresses   pretty easily. So it pushes that air down. Well, then that air wants to expand out because it just does this. And it'll expand down quickly and not hold and try and push back right away.  

Well, when it pushes back,   it hits another valve that stops it from going back up this system and forces it back up this way. And it doesn't push a whole lot at once. It's just not able to. But because it's running for free in 24 hours a day,   like, if I can get half a gallon, you know, a minute or quarter gallon   Even ton. That's a ton. Yeah. That's a ton by the end of the day. Yeah. And so you pump it up into a large storage tank that's set up high, And then gravity feed down to whatever building you need to to put water to.  

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Yeah. I was thinking about making one here at my house because I have a creek that runs through the backyard.   And if I can get,   is the drop isn't very far. It's only probably   Maybe 2 feet, depending on what time of year it is, but I could go   14 feet long on a 2 foot drop, and I would have enough pressure to get   At least up and out of the creek bed into into my garden.   That was the plan.   I mean, it would be great.  

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Those things don't take much. I've seen,   the channel that I was watching that he does a ton of work on them. Does he make the kick?   The season Yeah. He hasn't yet. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that guy.  

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Yeah.  

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He was just doing a 5 gallon bucket, like, 3 feet in the air.   Ten feet away, and it was driving it. No problem.   Yeah. No problem. Yeah.  

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I guess   My closing statements are in terms of   thought about   fantasy and fiction   And, what's the difference between a science fiction world versus   a more medieval, I guess, historical fantasy   realm?   And is, distinction really that important?   Well, I And the  

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go ahead. Well, and then the the the science fiction   Is   also less magical. It's more tech technology.   So one set in a more futuristic world,  

[03:28:25] Unknown:

Right. And they have their own technologies   that are maybe not digital or computer technologies.   So if we were to take Steven Greer's   ideas at face value   and take them seriously   and then write a movie script or a book based off of that Science fiction world   in which   America   has access to free energy,   but then keeps the rest of the world poor.   Well, there'd be a conflict right there for you. That'd be interesting to explore.   But then I'm thinking,   is there value in that story if it's   never going to actually happen.   So if you're focusing on a story where the the thing,   The one thing that's different between our world and the story of the science fiction fantasy world is that   over unity, free energy devices   Exists   in our science fiction world,   well, then does that set up a kind of Star Trek   Space exploration thing,   and that's where I was going with the contact of the 5th kind c five   Steven Greer, The Lost Century documentary.  

His trajectory   with the information he's   putting out there   Is saying   that,   yes,   humans   will   have access to   these devices   which will   rocket us into space.   So we will be a space Faring and colonizing  

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Right.  

[03:30:03] Unknown:

Civilization   saying that we will go to Mars and we will set up cities in Mars.   But the reason we haven't done that yet is because   wait for it.   Wait for it. We're still an angry, warring people. Look at America.   They're having a civil war right now. Look at the Ukraine. Look at Russia. Look at Tibet.   America,   man. Those guys are violent. We need to reign in America's violent tendencies, reduce their Terry, get rid of nuclear weapons,   and then we can release the free energy devices. So they won't be used for war,   But they will be used to unite civilization   under one leadership,   and then we will have   enforced world peace,   And then we can go to the stars.  

So if that propaganda doesn't   perk up your ears and   Light a fire under your buns and get you to stand up and do something about it.   I mean, are we ever going to travel to   the moon   and then land on it and have a vacation on the moon? Are we going to go to Mars   and land on it and walk around on it and give birth to new people on Mars   And have a Martian colony.   Is that even possible?   No. I don't know.  

[03:31:34] Unknown:

I would say I would personally say not. I think it's ridiculous.   And I I do agree with what rules,   what rule asks there?   Well, I don't agree with,   over unity.   Can we be more efficient with our, with our power systems now?   Abso fucking lutely.   Like, absolutely, we could be running off much more efficient power systems.   But, like, even something like the ramp up,   all kinds of people could employ that in the world. But then also, I can guarantee you already, I'm a have to go down in, like, every 3 days, something's gonna clog it or   some such thing.  

Leafs in it. It's gonna take   Yeah. Leaves in it, whatever. It's gonna take fairly consistent maintenance.   You know, just grit and dirt. It got caught in the valve, and I'm gonna have to take it all off and blow the whole system out, the whole 9. And that's that that's the thing with the world that we live in today. Everybody,   trades out convenience.   Not those free things are there, but   Free is a misnomer.   That means I'm not paying money for it, but I'm I am paying energy. I do have to maintain it, build it,   Do all those things.  



[03:32:52] Unknown:

Paying attention.  

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Yeah. It it's   Right. And we have those things available. People just Don't want them. It just takes it back to the top line we had a few years ago.  

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Free wealth   without a cost and without a consequence   And without pushback,   there's not going to be a transition to   Everybody all of a sudden has   all the resources,   and now we have world peace.  

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Yeah. It's all transactional.   You know?   I could say I get free   food from my cherry tree,   But it's not free. We gotta plant the thing and water it and   love it and  

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keep the birds off of it. You pass it down to your   Children, it would essentially be in a way,   a   free   Source of food for them  

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because they didn't do the work. It's a reversed compound interest of food. Uh-huh.  

[03:34:01] Unknown:

Right. But to not be thankful for that need it.  

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If they don't maintain it, then it's gone the next generation.  

[03:34:10] Unknown:

Yeah.  

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Yeah. You know?   And we're seeing that so often in our world today where   That's one of the biggest things with the baby boomer generation.   They tend to take their wood floors with linoleum?   Yeah. Yeah.   And then they took their wealth. And at the end of their lives,   you know, they did things like reverse mortgages and shit like that   So they could go out and sit in a fucking casino and, you know, ding ding ding ding, you know, and do shit like that.   And now there's no, family wealth amongst   the citizenry of the United States anyways.   But some of the people still practice those kind of things, but not even very many. Even a lot of the larger families   are falling apart like that. Like, you watch,   just recently, there's that whole,   scandal with the what the fuck is his name? The guy that   played the lone ranger   and   Johnny Depp. Few other Disney movies.  

No. No. No.   Not the guy that acts no. The other guy. He was Tonto. Johnny Depp was Tonto. Oh.  

[03:35:25] Unknown:

The white The white hat guy. The white hat guy. I never saw that movie. Movie. I don't know. Anyone chat know?  

[03:35:34] Unknown:

Anyways, that guy, he's actually,   the son of   he was the   13th wealthiest,   person in the world at one point in time.   Wow. Owned a giant oil company.   And now that whole family   is kind of falling apart and all that   is dividing out.   And this,   they showed the pictures of the dad.   The dad was hanging out with the fucking   King Charles, Prince Charles at the time,   all kinds of people like that. You know, all the biggest, wealthiest, you know, most powerful, and he was sitting right there when prince Charles gave that whole speech about how do people expect us to get anything done without money.   And, you know, he was sitting there literally just a couple places down, and he just laughed his ass off because that's how he was   maintaining much of his power.  

And even that kind of fam even those kind of families are falling under, and,   the the kids are, you know, completely   disenfranchising   from the families.  

[03:36:44] Unknown:

Right. So this great reset seems to be bringing everybody closer to 0   0 inheritance,   0 net worth, 0 value,   devaluing   everything, deindustrializing   The wealthiest nations.   So it's   distributing the future   evenly   to everyone,   Making everyone suffer   and not have any access to resources   and not being able to do anything.   Starving them out   As a global holodomor   to then purge   useless eaters   who've been expecting   the free lunch all along.   And in a solution oriented   final final closing statement, addendum to my other Closing statement earlier.   There are real ways to Be more efficient   to go off grid,   to build your food forest, to have a little bit of land, to work the land,   And reap the benefits of doing so.  



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Yeah. Don't wait for overunity   To make the world the world that you want to see.   Yeah.   Because you'll just you'll just die   before you see it.  

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And we want you to live to see the,   What is it? Double cycle cicadas   this summer?  

[03:38:21] Unknown:

Yeah. Live through it. There's a lot of exciting stuff happening. Your grandkids.   More exciting than Halley's Comet.  

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Oh, yeah.  

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And more rare.   Yeah.  

[03:38:35] Unknown:

Haley's Comets, what, every 70 years or 75 or something like that?   Yeah. 76. However, if   yeah. Something like that.   Mhmm.  

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Did you guys see it the last time?   I was looking for it, but I think I was facing the wrong way.  

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I didn't No. I saw it last time. I saw Comet Neil Wise   a few years ago.  

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I remember,   as I was watching it, My great grandma was still alive, and I remember   being real impressed.   In her lifetime, you know, she had she had seen it a couple times.  

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That's cool.  

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So that's pretty cool.  

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Yeah. We might see it again. Those those climate crisis actors Can't keep getting away with it.   Someone needs to push back and say that's dumb.   That is dumb.  

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You still see people arguing about the rising sea levels in literally Plymouth Rock. The rock that they supposedly stepped on when they landed here   still sitting there. It's it's got a little fence around it. You can go visit it. It's still above water.   Like,   That was The Rock a couple 100 years ago, 250 years ago, they supposedly stepped away. What is cooking?   You know, I did not and, you know, I Brian, can you smell what the Plymouth Rock is cooking?   I've never been to it. At least I have to take Brian Brian's word on this.   He left. Apparently, you cannot smell what the the Plymouth Rock is cooking.  

He has often said though, it is the most disappointing thing you could ever visit. It is just a shitty little rock.   And Badger is also from that area and concurs.   It's not even a good rock. You're like, why am I looking at this fucking rock. It's just a little rock. Rock. Yeah. It's not even right now.  

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So, yes, get your overunity devices and fly out   To see what the Plymouth Rock is cooking   and then   live on in Our minds like a Nephila.  

[03:40:57] Unknown:

Doctor Nestle   Lim might be our guest sometime. Doctor Nephila.