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Derek Bartolacelli, Leslie Powers, John Roeland and Spiders discuss:

• Intersection of Spring, Holidays, and Personal Responsibility
• Layers of Objective and Subjective Reality
• The Impact of Technology on Spirituality and Human Connection
• Insights on Rural Living, Technology, and Media Influence
• The Evolution of Art, Desire, and Identity in the Digital Age

https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/weaving-spiders-welcome/wsw-246

Derek Bartolacelli
https://www.youtube.com/@dissolvingthedivide

Leslie Powers
www.alivethrive.life

John Roeland
www.NaturalFreedomLeague.com

Derek Bartolacelli, Leslie Powers, John Roeland and Spiders discuss:


Video wsw 246 was live-streamed on Saturday March 30 2024 to YouTube and Rokfin
https://rokfin.com/stream/46980/wsw-246-dissolving-the-divide-three-plyed

https://www.youtube.com/live/UOspVSS8sJA

YGGDRASIL & ODIN'S ALCHEMY IN CONTRAST TO REALITY & THE QLIPPOTH /|\ BENJAMIN BALDERSON
Derek Bartolacelli Bitchute
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3ZRkt2LzMQ58/


We talk natural law, conscious hip hop, the impact of trauma, and the role of police in society.

In this episode, the hosts discuss various topics including hitting buttons, the arrival of spring, and their experiences with different guests. They also touch on the history of certain holidays and the importance of personal responsibility in building a better society.

The spectrum of objective and subjective reality, morality, and freedom. 

Language and culture shape our understanding of objective and subjective reality, morality, and freedom. 

The effects of television babysitting, the failed Nickelodeon experiment (Disney channel is guilty too), the importance of community and communication, and the self-imposed limitations of individuals.

The episode discusses various topics including living in rural areas, the impact of technology, and the influence of media and AI. The speakers share their perspectives on these subjects.

The episode discusses the degradation of art due to the use of AI and instant gratification, the importance of desire in creating art, and the confusion around gender, identity, and gender identity.

Audio recorded live Saturday nights and streamed to:

https://rokfin.com/OdinsAlchemy

(00:00:00) Hitting buttons and the importance of following instructions

(00:00:57) The arrival of spring and enjoying nature

(00:03:47) The history of holidays and their true meanings

(00:49:43) The importance of personal responsibility in building a better society

(00:59:12) Concept of natural law

(01:23:30) Conscious hip hop and its personal significance

(01:29:12) Impact of trauma on individuals and society

(01:44:44) SB Jumps In

(01:45:15) Police in society and their ineffectiveness

(01:50:21) Introduction to natural law and spirituality

(01:52:20) Health freedom movement

(01:56:05) Educating people about natural law

(01:59:20) subjective and objective nature of truth, reality, and morality

(02:08:00) challenges of being your own bank and the subjective nature of currencies

(02:19:31) how language shapes our understanding of subjective and objective reality

(02:28:43) The impact of language on our perception of hindrances and freedom

(02:35:26) relationship between language, consciousness, and responsibility

(02:36:26) disclosure of information and the role of the internet

(02:37:57) Discussion about the impact of technology on spirituality

(02:39:01) Known negative effects of television

(02:43:12) Importance of community and communication

(03:05:06) Self-imposed limitations of individuals

(03:23:14) Living in rural areas and the benefits of going rural

(03:24:22) The impact of technology and the role of AI

(03:28:42) The influence of media and the changing landscape of entertainment

(04:08:43) The degradation of art due to AI and instant gratification

(04:09:35) The importance of desire in creating art

(04:10:00) hot and vibrating

(04:15:12) Confusion around gender and identity

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https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/weaving-spiders-welcome/wsw-246

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Oh, then that's why I hit that button.  

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So the green button that too.  

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There it is.  

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I wouldn't know how to hit the button if it didn't tell me to.   So then I had to hit the button.   Sometimes you gotta butt in and hit the button.  

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We on the Odin's Alchemy channel tonight in Rockfin.  

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Hitting the button over there too.   Hit that button. And I hit the button. I hit the I did it. I hit the button. Hit that beautiful button.   I did.  

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And you're live.  

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And we are live.   It's  

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alive. Is everything coming alive for the springtime?  

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Oh, yeah. I've been looking at all kinds   of blossoms as I'm driving down the highway.   Cherry blossoms   and flowers popping up.   Not a hike today.   Picked a bunch of flowers   with Rachel.   Nice.   Tiptoe   through the tulips.  

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Mhmm. Like, your bear of daisies first.   When is Mother's Day?  

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Oh, we have   Derek.   Good. Welcome in, Derek.   What's up, brother?  

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How's it going, everyone?  

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Excellent.   Excellent. Okay. Coming from France.   Yeah. He's calling coming to us from France, and,   Jim tonight is coming to us from the,   Columbia River Gorge.   Yeah. Where he's he's   doing some time traveling. You can see the bits of the flux capacitor there above his head where it pipes through the,   you know, that's where the energy is piping through. So   And boy, is time flying.   So he may be in and out.   Nice to meet you.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Likewise. I was waiting for   yeah. What's happening, Benjamin?   Thank you so much. Yeah. On. Leslie's,   driving around,   cruising,   not necessarily for a bruising or a  

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because she's not, like, flux capacitor  

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shot. She's not gonna be yeah. Like  

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Just getting the stream going. We got a link to a rock fin. We got a link to a  

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YouTube. Oh, first time catching us live.   Excellent modern old soul.   So, this last week, I was on, dissolving the divide with,   Derek here and Leslie.   They had wanted to talk about Odin,   and,   they are they themselves,   Wesley is the least part of the,   network.   So they got that show, I said, called dissolving the divide.   That was a real good time. So, we had them come on   over here and see what they had to say because, god knows that, you know, sometimes you put a fucking quarter in me, and I don't shut the fuck up for 2 hours. So   Derek went through the quarter, and I don't know what to tell him after that. He apparently learned his lesson.  



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Money and time will spend, brother. Yeah. Thank you.  

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It's the best man.  

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You only put a couple coins in it, and   you get a lot more than that out.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. It was,   if you don't mind, I'll mention real quick that,   can I mention No? Feel free. Yep. In the email I sent to you,   because I did a video kinda   harking back to, like, the true original thrice rates before some of these inversions and perversions   that have happened since beyond antiquity. Like, we're talking about, you know, like, post, you know, Fava Atlantis type of stuff. But,   I was literally just, like, quick little 10 minute video.   And,   I was mentioning something. And then I saw 1 raven   crow, whatever, in in an area that I hadn't seen them for a couple months.   And I was about to talk about Odin. And then, you know,   Odin came through, and then I saw another one, like, a couple of seconds later. And I was, like, wow. And there was only 2. I only saw 2 of them, and that was just, like, such a   synchromistic   sign of confirmation that I   had to keep going with the video. But afterwards, I I was just, like, in awe, like, wow. Like,   I'm sure you guys have been on the path. You guys been, you know, doing, you know,   the great work in whatever capacity in any kind of way, shape, and form   on your ends, on whatever side of the map and all that. And,   just having certain signs or   things like that of that nature that confirm   things that you're saying the right things, they're on the right path. It was just really   yeah.  

You feel that, you know, from blood to bone type of thing. So yeah.  

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Very nice.  

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So I I felt inclined to, you know,   speak to you because I saw a couple videos in recent times and, like, with correspondence with the Beth Martins and and all that good stuff. So  

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yeah. I love Beth. I got to spend some time with Beth a few years ago in   20, actually,   when, the COVID nonsense was all hot and heavy.   Her and I both went to a thing in New York.   So we got to actually even spend personal time together. It was,   Beth Martins and,   Dave Weiss and Amanda Vollmer   and Andy Kaufman and James True and I.   And so we all got together during the the height of the COVID nonsense.   Drove right into New York, right past the sign that said you need to quarantine yourself for 2 weeks and went like this.   Then just that's where we were going.  

Yeah. Like, did you see that shit?  

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Yeah.   Wow.  

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That was the entire effect it had on us. So   Yeah, man. Didn't make us wear them. Didn't even make us wear a mask in, like, Niagara Falls. We went and did the tourist thing in Niagara Falls and actually because, Christy and I had just gotten married.   So we drove   and took the time for a honeymoon. And even in Niagara Falls, we didn't have they didn't make us wear a mask. And in fact, it was very interesting   because people would walk up to us wearing 1. And then when they would talk to us, they would take theirs down like we don't speak masking or something. And they would take theirs down and talk to us without their mask and then put it back up when they would walk away from us. Like,   it was real interesting.  

Yeah.  

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Sounds like you were in, like, a reverse,   twilight zone, if you will. Like because so many people were getting divorced and separated during that COVID time, especially within the 1st year, year and a half, 2 years.  

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Yeah. Where are on your side started having to spend time together. They never spent time   together. They're like, fuck. I only liked you for like an hour a day, not 12.  

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Like, what is going on?  

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That'll do it.   Little bit of stress really tells   your your true metal.   Yeah.   And what I said is just, like, myself, I spend,   except for when I'm working,   my wife and I are interacting   pretty much, you know, throughout the day all day. You know, sometimes I'm outside for, like, 3, 4 hours, but there's never   any time that we don't hardly any time that we don't interact, you know, beyond that, you know,   where   a lot of these couples,   they weren't seeing each other for 12, 14 hours a day. And then when they would see each other, it's   feed the the kids that we've made, get them to bed quick,   have a smoke a joint or have a drink, you know, to relax myself before I pass out and get up and do that shit again. So they weren't spending any real   quality time together. Karen b,   they weren't spending any real,   quality time together. And then all of a sudden,   when if you didn't have,   you know, essential working job, you were home, and this person that you had married that you probably hadn't, you know, say you were married 15 years, and you'd spent in that 15 years approximately   10, 12 hours a week in actual contact with each other, and all of a sudden you're doing that every day.  



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Which is way beyond the honeymoon phase. You know?  

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We've been together and living together for a number of years in off grid, so we were already used to that. It didn't bother us at all. You know? The the the,   2020 was awesome for us actually because we're kinda   we live out in the mountains.   We're   not really used to being around a lot of people.   And all of a sudden, there's nobody in the stores, nobody around, nobody doing things. It was awesome.   Yeah. Alright, Marcus.   Why don't you go you're gonna play your end? You got an intro to play? Yeah. We've got this the streams are streaming.  

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We've got the sound sounding good. I think everyone is hearing everyone   clearly. We got a 10 minute intro. If you wanna share, Derek, to your socials or your your friends and family and everyone, we get the links and the the private chat if you can join. Minute if she's, gonna come in or not.  

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I give her about 10 minutes to get in,   if she's gonna join us.  

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Oh, yeah. Leslie or,  

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Yes. Yep. What I said?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I didn't   yeah. I gotta contact her, but, yeah. I mean, Alright.  

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Let's see if you guys remember this one from last Easter, if it if it's aged well.   There we go.   We'll be back in 10 minutes.  

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Wow. We are hungry. Playing across the street? Yes. Try driving and playing, baby. That sounds good to me, man. Good. I'm driving your car.  

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Alright.   This is Wsex   coming to you live, wide open. We're the nation's capital. Keep your ears open for the upcoming program.  

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Good evening. This is Rudy d Cronkite live in front of the nation's capital under sunny skies, waiting on the arrival of our president.   Here comes mister president now. Excuse me. Mister president,   can you tell us what can you do to solve today's economic  

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problems?  

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Say, man, you seem to be sweet because I've been dating her now for the past 3 weeks. So if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, man, fun, and ugly woman Yep. And make her your wife. Because pretty girls are happy crying the blues, but when an ugly girl leaves She ain't nothing to lose. Lose.  

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Built for and tough.  

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That's a beautiful pickup there.  

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That was a cool mix, Sam.  

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Cool mix. Yeah.  

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Who lays that down?  

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Oh, it's a collection   that began last year, and then I swapped a couple of the tracks out   because now we have a a new truck in the family here.  

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Yeah. Okay.  

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Awesome.   Benjamin Balderson is built Ford tough.   Yeah, baby. Finally got my fucking truck situation   resolved   and got a monster of a truck. This thing   is and it's crazy because I've been looking at trucks for 5 months originally thinking that this you know, Christy said expected to be 2 to 3 weeks.   And,   5 months later,   we had to hire people to fucking go in and fight with them the whole nine. They tried to get me $35100   originally, just ridiculous.   I'm like, did you think I was driving a Ford Ranger? What do you think I lost you?   And   so I've been looking at trucks. You know? And,   most   trucks in the range I want run about 14 to 18.  

And, this guy here was moving,   and he's moving to just a Winnebago park because they're trying they're renting out their house and trying to buy land.   And so he had to get rid of one of his trucks, and this truck's got a 6 speed manual transmission, which is a little trickier to drive than most than, manuals.   And then this,   miscolored, you know, not matching box on the back.   And so,   you know, it was a truck he was gonna have to sit on for a while to actually get the value out of because it's a, you know, only a few people in a niche were gonna want it. I happen to be that niche,   and he dropped it down to, $8.  

And look at that. Fucking airbags.   That means that that it is set to carry weight. It's got an engine brake on it like a semi.  

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Extra heavy duty.  

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How she drive through the city?  

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I don't think that truck likes pavement.   Right. Which if you couple this with the the video   of of my road, you see why I have to have a truck like this.  

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We better put a fire extinguisher in it.  

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Just in case.  

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Damn.  

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On road, off road,   road's dissolving.   What's the name of what's the name of Derek's program?  

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Dissolving   the device.  

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Yeah. Look at how heavy duty everything is, and it was all replaced with serviceable parts because a lot of times your most of the time, your 4 wheel drive up front. It's a pressed in bearing.   This is the old school bearings in a heavy duty set.   Oh, man.   Damn.   Yeah. This thing's so sexy. Look at that engine brake.   We and with the hills, I live out in the King Range in,   California Northern California. So them mountains are   they are insane.   And we tried it coming down 1, and,   it's wonderful. It takes all the heat off my brakes. I normally have to replace my brakes about every 6 months.   This is really gonna help that.  



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Damn.   And it's a rack on her too.   Does she have a name?  

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Gabe,   it came with it.   Came with it.   Like, I'm like, wow. This thing's already set up.   So and I already have a rack or that I was actually waiting to put on the trucks. I didn't assume it was gonna have a really nice rack. And now Brian's truck, which needs a rack, has a rack.  

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Rack them up.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah. Here's my road, and this is   the funny thing is is in this giant truck, this doesn't look near as bad. Christie's like, we should walk this and show people because this, our road is horrifying.  

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It's a very narrow road.  

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Yeah.   And trees down   everywhere.   Like, it this winter because last winter when we had that you know,   California went,   for a very long time in a historic drought. You know? That was nation no one. Look at all these trees.   No one   nationwide. And   then when in the last 3 years, that drought ended   and then ended in a crazy fashion,   including we had a huge blizzard last year. Well, then it   it the ground usually in   come   May   is basically cement because the moisture is all gone.   It's,   it's,   dry as hell.   California just turns completely brown. Where I live, it does it doesn't in this little microclimate I live in, but it turns completely brown. Like, it's really rough.   And then,   instead, this year, it never did that. It stayed moist.  

And then all of a sudden,   it just smashed us again this year, and they're saying they're calling it atmospheric rivers.   And we kept getting these atmospheric   rivers.   And so we were getting   inches of rain every day.   Like, 4 inches of rain a day. It was just crazy.   Stacy   Sunshine, what's up? And she called my house my road home a goat trail. It basically is.   And I it rained like crazy. Well, now these trees, because they never dried out from what the oversaturation   of last year,   turned around in this year immediately,   got hit again, and these trees are just snapping,   uprooting, falling over.  

It's   it's just rough.   And this is we're going up, like, once a week and having to clear the road. You have to just drive with a chainsaw straight out.   And these potholes are giant.   Like I said, you you don't really notice it as much because   my truck this truck's got a 4 inch lift on it. So it's so far above the road, but when you're down next to the road, you're like,   what the hell? Why are these holes and everything so huge?  

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The truck's packing it down.  

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Wow. No. There's there's,   we have springs, water just leaking out of the mountain everywhere.   So there's a spring that actually starts on my land on this side of my house, on this side of my house. And then on this side, there's a c a spring that usually that was seasonal.   Yeah. I'm in the mountains.   Usually, what's seasonal,   but,   this last year, it never stopped flowing, and that one is a really good clean creek.   No. I didn't say that shit. I said we can get it up there. I said we can't get it back. That was what I said. We had to take that quote. So we can get it up there, surely, but I don't think it's coming back down.   Like,   we can get that fucking thing into anywhere. It's back out. That's the problem.  



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The only way I was   Humboldt. Right? Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. And,   last time I was out there is 2022,   beginning of August. And,   I was driving up, past Redding to go to Oregon because I was living up there   at the time, Corvallis.   I got stopped short. Like, I just had to evade traffic because there's, you know, fires going on and this and that. I did back down south to back to Redding,   hit the 299,   which, you know,   you know, all the way from, you know, east to west, all the way to the coast. And, like,   I was going through driving through, shitloads of smoke. And, yeah, when I was getting more towards, Humboldt, I noticed I saw several flyers on certain hillside and mountainsides.   Yeah. Yeah. Like, I know this you know, one side   you you reached that one point and you see just, like, I don't know, like, these   glorious evergreen forests and, like, half of them are covered with, like, this coastal fog.  

Yeah. It's so cool and glorious. And so I'm sure, yeah, you get, like, a lot of moisture out where you're at as well without it. Or  

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Oh, yeah. I live I I live I'm right up against the Redwood Forest and, so it's moist,   super moist. And we're at my house, it's green. Part. That's part of why I moved here,   because it's green all year round at my house.   And I have mountain animals. So when I went and got,   I've got alpacas, which are from the mountains,   and I've got,   Highland. I got Dexter cows, which are from the Scottish Highlands.   And so they're med they eat brush out in the mountains also.   So I got and then goats.   So I got animals, and the goats I have are actually   milk and pat goats.  

And so, yeah, this spot is so bad.   So bad.   It's the road is just washing out right there. It's just giving   Crazy.   But,   so everything I have on my farm is literally made for this type of environment.   This is not me.   I felt super meta. I'm driving and watching videos of driving.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right?   It's very reminiscent of when I had a TV show. So when I had a TV show,   because it was on the biggest, pagan station in the world, I Dan, I was able to use any of the,   like, bands and whatnot. And so,   Wardruna,   it was I used their, Fehu song or not Fehu, Berserker   song. And,   it would my intro was just a video driving up the mountain at my old place. And then me pulling up to the farm and all the animals come, you know, like, hey. Get out, Joel. What you got? Does he have food?  

Yeah. They all come running. Yes. Yes. Moist.   Yes.   Well, it is moist, John.   It is.   I don't I don't know what to say, John. It's it's the that's the that is the proper descriptive word for it. It's not wet   because wet would just be horrible if it was always wet, but it's been damp. Yeah. Damp. It would damp would also be appropriate, I guess, that Is that the key to dissolving the divide?  

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Yeah.  

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The  

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the ground is very slurpy right now. I would agree. Sarah Sarah g is is here, so she knows.  

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It's Easter time. Are there a lot of eggs showing up in unexpected places?  

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I've got yes. You know  

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what? You're talking about the the the Ravens earlier, Derek?  

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Yeah.   That's   and it was just during when I did a a simple recording Mhmm. Going back, you know,   getting to the point of talking about Ogun and then, you know, poof, you know, his companions, you know, came   flying in my peripheral, and I was   feeling that mystical spiritual.   But, yeah,   I haven't really seen them since, which is really just even more confirmation that, like, wow. That was, like,   really cool experience sort of thing.   Yeah. Anyways.   Easter time.   What is that? You know, is it another inverted holiday? You know? Oh, good fucking Friday. Right? What did you guys find out about the Saint Patrick's Day? The Saint Patrick's  

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sham?  

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Yeah. And I we did a an episode on that, and   I'm sure you guys have, you know, learned about that and the whole,   yeah, the   Jesuit.   I know.   Saint Patty.  

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Mhmm.  

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Why would be   why would anyone be raising a glass to this man?  

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Yeah. That wasn't a good dude.   But,   this is   Shauna's still on the word moist.  

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You gotta be there to believe it. I've been there. So yeah. But,   bet  

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so this is something I find,   is very interesting,   that the Abrahamics   and then,   the Romans have used throughout time is is by dehumanizing   somebody,   you can   tell a story or you can do a thing,   and   it will because these other peoples have are not people,   the things that you've done are are awesome and cool.   And that's a that's a, you know, odd position,   but you start seeing it historically   in their writings   what they considered the world,   if   if you,   grew up in the Judeo Christian   system,   what they believe history comes from   is   I think my dogs   are on the roof running around.  

The Judeo,   the Judeo no. That's the peacocks fighting. Yeah. Yeah. I can see it.   The Judeo Christian,   system,   then   your history comes through the Abrahamic   and Roman,   system.   So what they considered the world was basically   what Alexander the great considered the world.   And then there was barbarian lands. That's not part of the world. Well, that's kind of a a trickery of of wordplay   because that's obviously still part of the world as we see it,   or plain as,   as I see it. But it's not,   to them, the way their wording went was the world   was the parts that Alexander the Great had conquered,   and then   the rest was barbarian lands. Now we still see the same thing represented in   when they tell you that,   your average American   could not read, that's a lot.  

They could not read   Latin.   So you are not considered   educated unless you could read Latin. They could read,   German   or or Swedish   or, you know, whatever host,   country they came from.   But unless you read Latin,   you were not considered an educated person and you were ignorant.   So when they say that you were illiterate, it was you were illiterate to Latin.   And you also see that represented in the church where the church   was a hierarchy   and the they kept things in Latin because then the populace   didn't because they couldn't read Latin.   That did not mean they could not read.  

And so   you're most welcome,   John.   Oh shit. But,   so   the they considered those   pagan Irish   to be subhuman. So that was snakes.   And in that,   when,   Saint Patrick   went over and through extreme force   either made people because at threat of torture and death   proclaim themselves a Christian,   or   leave Ireland,   that was the driving the snakes out. The dude's truly a piece of shit.   But if you call them snakes, because those aren't humans because they aren't Christians,   so they're not saved. They're just barbarians.   Now the stories you can make that story sound cool.   But when it's a human against a human and you're just torturing and murdering other humans because they don't follow your religious beliefs.  

It doesn't have quite the same spin to it.  

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Fuck. Yeah. And how they   spun it off and perverted,   you know, like the serpents of wisdom that they drove out or whatever the fuck and this led.   And they, you know, threw in I don't know. They came in with their own reptilian   snickish type of mind, you know, like the the negative side of that, you know, reptile animal, I guess. You know?   And,   yeah, I'm sure you guys,   follow   animism   in in those types of traditions,   aligned with natural law, and just how everything has a spirit. So we can see things in a positive and negative way   and also see   how they've been used against us   or manipulated   and misrepresented   even or misappropriated,   right,   throughout the ages. And, yeah, like you said, trying to make things look cool and yeah, man.  

That's totally it. And it really it's that magic that they you know, it's the hook line sinker   from way back when when folks weren't able to properly use their sinker possibly.   But   I love the fact that you mentioned that whole thing,   and   and I feel like, you know, that is something to for Americans to really   rekindle   because, you know, there's a lot of, you know   I'm sure you guys have seen these, you know, videos, like, the   the dumbest Americans and this and that. And, like, people are, like, literally, like, dumb as shit. Like   like, literally illiterates,   grown adults, whatever.  

Yet, you know, like   and, I was curious, Benjamin, what era were you talking about?  

[00:43:39] Unknown:

It's it's the people who want by the way. The funny thing about this is is this is pre   Rockefeller school system.   So Yeah. And the and the school system will tell you that everybody was illiterate. You know, we had, like, a 95%   illiteracy. Well, what they consider literacy was being able to read Latin.   And so what they're they're it's a little trickery that they're playing. So people still can't fucking read Latin.   Yeah. You know?   But   an educated person and and when you look, a classic education   includes learning Latin. Why the fuck I need to let know Latin? Who gives a fuck about Rome? Like, you know, why why is that make me somehow   more wise? Because I know this dead language from a bunch of assholes that run around boning each other in their own little boys.  

Like, what what's that got how's that make me cool?  

[00:44:33] Unknown:

Okay. You could attend to law school eventually if you can speak Latin at an early age.  

[00:44:38] Unknown:

And then and then it just drives me nuts when people try saying that we're ours is a Latin based language. No. It's fucking not.   No. It's fucking not.   The medical words are Latin based. Mhmm. Lawyer words are bat Latin based. The biggest asshole parts of the system.   Everything else is German based.   That's why when I go over to Germany and Derek here in France can attest to this, The words are   basically the same. A cigarette   in Germany is a ziggurat.   Oh, hard to figure out what that one meant.   Hard to remember.   Wonder what that is. When I walked into the fucking when I walked into the damn, building when I first got to Germany and I looked around for a toilet. And I look up, and there's a sign that says, toilette.  

I'm like,   oh, hard to figure this out. Wonder what that place is.   I   it's not hard. Just shithead words,   which   were in a very I'm in a very alternative science type thing.   Shithead science words are Latin, like Karen saying right here.   It it the every everyday words   are German   based.  

[00:45:58] Unknown:

Dante. And, yeah, my mother was born in, Bavaria, actually. It's really unfortunate that she didn't teach me the language,   but, I've been living out here in France for 14 years. So I was married to a beautiful, wonderful   French Polynesian   from Tahiti,   woman.   Been divorced for a minute, but,   what I've noticed is that there are there's and I don't know if you guys know the history of how   English language   was really created   and this and that. And I know it's been romanticized,   and I'm bringing that side to what you're talking about. Because   for me, speaking French for so long,   there there's so many words that are the same French and English.  

And   it's interesting to hear what you're saying, and and I hear you and feel you to a degree, but I feel like there's still, like, a lot of words.   I mean, French is a Latin based language. You know, there's variance from that. So,   yeah, what you're talking about, you're just talking about, like, directly   Latin to English, not, like, you know, Latin to Italian or Latin to Spanish to English type of thing. Like like, the median type of thing.   The three way   instead of, like, you know, one to the other.   So I get that. I I tell these  

[00:47:21] Unknown:

None of us get that. None of us understand the Chinese.  

[00:47:28] Unknown:

Yeah. That we, like, I mean, but, like, responsibility.   Responsible each day. You know? There's so many words that, and I don't know. Like, to me,   It's got that romantic touch, but at the same time, it's it's a beautiful thing   in, in English as well. And just like the coalescence of different   root languages. There's some Greek as well   thrown into the equation.  

[00:47:54] Unknown:

Oh, for sure. It's a hodgepodge of language of of words, but that's every language at this point is a hodgepodge.   Partially because there's some words that just don't translate over   and they they end up just, you know, throughout the years as we've mixed and matched,   it's all kind of become a hodgepodge.   But when you're looking at it, it's basically 2 groupings. It's Germanic,   you know, old Germania and all the derivatives and break offs of that. And then the Roman the Roman Latin,   and so Spanish or whatever.   Now, obviously, when we say Spanish,   somebody from Spain and somebody from Mexico, even though it's both Spanish, are are not speaking the same. No different than when I'm not speaking English to say,   compared to somebody from England, there's all kinds of words that just do not at all   translate over.  

You know, they say the same thing.   I had I knew a chick from Australia over here, and she's we're going to the grocery store. She's talking to me about a trolley, and I'm like,   what do you think? There's, like, little trains coming by taking you to the front door of the fucking   grocery store or something. What the what are we even talking about here, lady?   And it's the it's the grocery cart. They call it a trolley. Trolley. And she's at she's all going on about it. You know? Are we gonna take the trolley? And I'm like Put a quarter in it at Aldi, and you take the trolley. Mister   Rogers' neighborhood.  

You know? Like, what the hell are you talking about, lady?  

[00:49:29] Unknown:

There's a huge divide there. There's the the people that care about the quarter in the trolley and the people who don't,   and then training people to replace their own carts and doing this sort of free labor.   What's that about?  

[00:49:44] Unknown:

Yeah. And and how how many have you guys seen, like, these maims floating around, especially regarding, like, ant like, true anarchy, like, you know, without rulers and, like, to have a hermetically sealed society where there's not no governmental bullshit.  

[00:49:58] Unknown:

You've seen this one like So there there we go. Let's let's have let's have a kind of, a What's the Charlie   real quick? Debate about that. I I love this subject,   and I would love to have kind of a friendly discussion   where please take explain that fully, sir. And I'm not taking a I'm not against what you're saying entirely.   Oh, not at all.   I I'm also, for the most part, an anarchist   for the most part, but but then   we'll talk about it. You get explain that, please.  

[00:50:31] Unknown:

Well, I was just gonna make   a a observational statement with the, you know, a lot of names going on and thinking about trolleys and people not even able to, like, take responsibility   of, you know, like, being   polite, considerate,   whatever,   of just putting your fucking shopping cart back where the fuck you fucking found it. And that could correspond to, like, you know, pick, you know, your fucking trash and what do you consume and all that stuff and taking care of your own shit,   making sure you don't fucking stink, and, you know, you know, smelling up the other person's air that they're trying to breathe, you know, with their own free fucking will. That kind of stuff.   So, you know, like, there's a lot of people that are   gung ho about anarchy, but yet they lack greatness within themselves. They lack responsibility   and accountability.  

So I understand what that name is getting at. You know, like, how can we have, you know, a world of anarchy when people can't even return the fucking shopping cart? It's like just like it brings it down to, like, basic simple fucking things that are, like, super easy but people are super fucking lazy.   Right? I see a lot of people in the truth community being   way too fucking complacent,   You know, riding on the coattails of bigger names that are speaking truth. You know, like, as if that's like their daily fucking operation. Like, it should be with all of us that are on this fucking level and path work whatever the fuck.   But   yet, you know, they're kinda more or less, like, lip servicing certain things, so they're more or less like a a tourist in the truth movement or, you know, a weekend warrior. Whatever the fuck.  

You know, like, not to compartmentalize   because I'm not down with the stereotypical   bullshit, you know, ritual.   But yeah. Anyway, I said  

[00:52:12] Unknown:

But Blaze, though, explain,   the the   idealized   version.   You're not spotlight.   I'm not I'm not trying to be   confrontational.   So it's just another good for the,   you know, again, I'm also I live off grid, brother. You know? And I don't follow the government, and I would want love the government to collapse and whatnot.   So I'm not saying, you know, I'm not, like, completely at odds here. I I just would, you know, like to have because I think it's an interesting discussion.   So please,   lay out the more idealized, like, the type of thing that Mark Pasio   kinda preaches, you know, or or at least your idea   of this,   more,   you know, I idealized   system, but which I under with the understanding that   you're also including that the people in that system are kind of self actuated  

[00:53:10] Unknown:

people. Yeah. I mean, it's it's hard to   it's funny because I   and I don't really   I'm not in the one great work network. You know, I followed his work. I've sampled his vocals and laced them over, you know, couple I just use it as an example because that's when most people think of this type of system. He's the most Yeah. Yeah. The most well known,  

[00:53:31] Unknown:

a 100%,   like, Will here. I've seen Chill Will was in the chat. I'm personal fellows. Correct? I'm in person.   I've went to one of his events. Mhmm.   That those guys, they don't exactly align, and, I've talked to both I've talked to those guys.   So   I understand, you know, I'm not saying you were an acolyte of Mark Basio. I'm just using him as an example   of that type of system.  

[00:54:01] Unknown:

And, so what I've been really   harking on over the past, like, couple years now is, like, talking about building   a hermetically   sealed society,   if you will. That is based off of natural law. It is based off of, you know,   people acting, you know,   in   a objectively or universal   morality type of way that follow the golden rule, that follow consequentialism,   that follow   all these different semantics of the same thing that we're trying to fucking align to, yet there's   still so much,   entanglement.   I mean, it's such it's gonna be a fucking marathon, and it's gonna take generations to actually get to   that actual point and to decondition people out of what they've been conditioned to   and all the intergenerational   traumas   and whatever the fucks that that's been built up over the past fucking how many fucking centuries and all this stuff? And the fact that people are disconnected from source,   disconnected from the the majority of the DNA that's within their, you know,   bodies, their vessels in this 3 d fucking realm, and people wanna talk about fucking 5 d.  

That kinda shit. You know?   I don't know. Like, keep it real. You know? Like   so and how are you gonna anchor those higher frequencies down here so we can build something better and make heaven on earth for fucking reels and not just fucking   talk about it in in all this jazz. You know? Like, I'm trying to do groundwork level shit   and   and network and build people up. I'm in it for the win win, and how how I see just   there has to be some kind of structure, of course, and and you you can look at certain examples and it it's hard to see some because we don't have the best reference of,   you know, what   was or what could be a hermetically sealed society. That's so like, woah. Out there, man. Whatever. Like,   just built off of eternal principles and,   axioms of truth that are just, like, they're part of the isness of this creation of reality that we're all lived we're born into.  

So,   yeah, it's it's really taking it back to the foundations of, you know, the masculine and the feminine, the take no shit, do no harm. And doing no harm, the nonaggression principle, that means you respect, you know, other   beings' life and property rights and all these things,   and how our relationship   to   mother earth   needs to be   well aligned for this all these things to happen. You know, take it back to the law law of correspondence from the micro to the macro,   from the fauna to the flora,   from the insect to the human, you know, all these things that are so intertwined,   and we're so disconnected and discombobulated,   and who do we have to thank for that?  

Ourselves and, you know, the generations of monarchy that transformed into government and   all these other things. So we can create a different system that has, like,   you know, like,   high councils or just, you know, advisors or way showers or teachers and all these things,   shamans,   and all these things considered,   you know, master fucking teachers.   You know? But  

[00:57:33] Unknown:

it's a lot to consider, but you have I don't have all the answers. You know what I mean? So yeah. Like So do you believe that at some point in time, there was a society that,   achieved this?  

[00:57:47] Unknown:

And I see back in Atlantis. Yeah.   Lemuria,   that times but even that those times   became corrupted,   at a certain point   as far as what I've, you know, learned and and read about that.  

[00:58:02] Unknown:

There's a lot of division here, and you're talking about a hermetically sealed   society.   Now I'm thinking there's something called an open society   searching for that. So let's just bring up their website   here. Let's see. Open Society   Foundation.  

[00:58:20] Unknown:

Do you believe this society could be?   Well, it's vibrant. It's it's No. Not the one who's talking about. This one that Derek's talking about. We're gonna see yours. I was just asking Derek why you pulled this up,   what size he believes this hermet because hermetically sealed would would indicate that it's not an overall society, that it doesn't include everybody.   What is the size of society you think could function in the way that you think it want that you   ideally   see functioning?  

[00:58:54] Unknown:

Damn. That's   a good question. I didn't really think about it like that. And for me, like, when I say, like, hermetically sealed society, it's not to be taken, like, literally, like, it's something airtight, like, it's a dome that, you know, it's a fucking   it's a capsule. It's a it's not some kind of fucking echo chamber.   It's supposed to be something that we're all,   you know, like, I've been asking folks around, like, hey, you got that natural law? Because it it resides within us. Like, these are just, you know, codes of consciousness   that we're supposed to be operating from on a daily fucking basis, like, it's our fucking life.  

So   for me, when I when I see, you know, the parallels of of these other stuff, and, like, oh, we gotta be inclusive and all this stuff,   all that shit is   just,   like, such common sense when you take take off all the masks and all this stuff. And, Benjamin, I think I   lost sight of your question. I didn't wanna  

[00:59:55] Unknown:

These are these are big questions.  

[00:59:57] Unknown:

Hey. I I understand. I'm putting a little bit of heat on you. I'm gonna see if Will maybe wants to come in and back you up a little bit. I think Will's a little bit more   experienced at the public   speaking and getting   firing the answers.   You know?   So I understand. Just   I as we'll see if Will maybe wants to come in, and and I'm not. I was,   you know, part of me is fully on   board with with what you're saying, and and it's beautiful.   100 oh, John Rowland's in the house too.   Yeah. I went in and got him and Will together, and these guys are awesome guys.   You wanna if if you wanna come play too, John, absolutely come play. Absolutely come play. Adam.  

Yeah. Yeah.   Alright.   So,   where   I have a a   variances and, again, we all we all know I'm a open heathen.  

[01:00:54] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:00:55] Unknown:

Now   in heathen society,   while everybody   was, like, you know, you were a free man and you made your choices,   that did not mean that there wasn't a  

[01:01:09] Unknown:

a a cast system.  

[01:01:11] Unknown:

Now it I don't believe it was as static as, like, the cast system that you see in India. And I think that that's where things get very wrong   is when you're in a cast system that's immovable.   But in   actual heathen lore,   Heimdall   sets up the levels of man. And this includes a Jarl,   a Karl, and a Thrall.   Now I live out in an area   where   lots of people are just free to do as they please. And they certain and and they and it's,   and live how they please. And so   there are   a large swath of people that   without a driving force   will just basically spend the rest of their life in a homeless camp doing drugs.  

Garberville   has more of those people   than not. And even though they have free will,   and they have,   usually they have tools, they go around and dig through people's trash, collect things. So let's say I just moved out into the forest.   When if you came out into the forest and found 6 months later, you'll find where I have started cultivating food. I've set myself up a nice shelter.   I've done things to improve my living situation.   But that's because I don't belong in the thrall class.   And so the thrall class   and because this is this is where you have to get this to understand because,   part of why I believe Passyow,   is so angry is is when you bump up against this large majority of people and they don't meet up to what a Yarrow would expect,   fellow people to be about. Is there animals?  

Can you go   they're honkings because the damn road trolls.   Fuckers. Can you get the alpacas off the road so they can park the truck?   The animals are ridiculous. They will take up the road. So   when you bump up against these people and you expect them to be your equal   in in all ways,   which means that means that they need to be the same as you, not just equal,   then you start developing an anger. That's real easy to develop because, hey.   So many of these people are subpar,   in that level, especially if you're looking at somebody that's not only able to take care of themselves, but you would expect them to start, making their situation better,   living in a certain code.  

And some people just aren't like that. Some people just wanna go do their fucking job, go home. They want their, a roof over their head, food on the table, somebody to cuddle and snuggle with and make little people that look like them.   And that's what they want. And they don't wanna think about it.   You know?   Some   people, when you try this and we bump into this, stop.   We bump into this in the Teuther community where so many people only take what they're told by the TV because they don't want to think.   Thinking is not their forte.  

And and I don't   while I do believe I agree that,   the dumbing down in society has been an intentional thing,   I see no evidence outside of Atlantis,   which was a mystical city that only was it Socrates or Plato.   Either Socrates or Plato   said a guy I knew   talked about this place.   There's no   actual historical   evidence of it. So that's the first mention of   Atlantis.   And everything   after that   is people channeling   Atlantis   who heard the name after   Plato or Socrates talked about this,   you know, euphoric,   or utopian   place   that,   again,   a guy he knew   you guys don't know him. No. He couldn't bring that dude,   but I knew a dude who said he'd seen it. Like, in no way in the truth community would we ever in any other circumstance,   except that is proof   of anything.  

So in real history,   there's never been a time where   some men don't   need some leadership   in order for there to be a progression of society.   Your turn. My bad. Or somebody else's turn. Anyways.  

[01:05:53] Unknown:

Well, the idea of the city upon a hill. Now if we get into   sermons here, salt and light,   and the city on the mount having sort of this beacon   of hope for the world.   This is where   at some point in American politics, America was the beacon of hope, spreading democracy   to the world.   Now having gone through   whatever we've gone through   everyone all at the same time through 2020,   it seems to say, like, that was an experiment   to see   if there could be a one   world   organization   to gather around   a threat of a medical   idea.   So now   seeing how   we went through that, during that time, there did seem to be different counties   under different   leadership   that accepted certain ideas and rejected other ideas. So there were   experimentally   different places   that handled   a threat,   end quote,   differently,   and we can see   what communities   handled that best   and what communities   absolutely   buckled under that pressure.  

And where were you, Derek, in that that time, that 2020, about 4 years ago?  

[01:07:25] Unknown:

Pretty much here in   in the South of France.   I was able to,   wasn't working.   I was just living like a hermit like you usually do at this time.   And,   the fact that I don't have a car   means that I avoided a lot of   entrapments   by the police because they were circulating   and were, like, stationed around certain   roundabouts.   You know, we got those in Europe. You know?   Y'all are coming up in in America with those, but I   yeah.   I noticed that   you could see across the board   within this country, it was a, you know, total fucking police state. Like,   what's ironic is that, you know, the masks went on the people, yet the masks   fell off the fucking, you know, state of the country   of how much of a fucking, you know, oppressive police draconian fucking state this shit this fuck is with a bitch ass motherfucking   Rothschild piece of shit, you know,   condition president.  

Motherfucking macaroni   macron   with a micron fucking, you know, whatever the fuck.   But I   what immediately, you know, came to mind was Sweden   as far as, like, people trying to deviate from the bullshit ass fucking narrative since the dawning of the bitch ass fucking.   But, anyways, yeah.   Exceed my French, but but  

[01:08:58] Unknown:

he is in France. You gotta give it to him. It's okay.   Me, I'm just I just I'm just a got a pirate mouth. That's all.   Again, I think part of any system and part of why I asked the follow-up question I did, no matter what system it is, even with the Yarl, Carl, and Thrall, that was a   tribal   system.   I don't   personally see any system   that could ever   span the entire,   plane as I see it. I don't see any system.   I don't see where even in California,   like, when you're talking about a state sized government.   Where in California,   for me out in the mountains   as compared to somebody in the city,   down in LA or or down in the bay where let's talk about, like, say say something as simple as gun rights.  

Somebody in the bay,   one of the first things that they're gonna say is, what do you need a a a semiautomatic   rifle for   except for to shoot people?   That's the only thing that they could possibly imagine that you would need it for. And if if   in their mind, the only time you would ever use a gun is when you take and travel out somewhere   and find some type of a game animal, a deer   or whatever,   and then you go ahead and shoot that. And in a hunting sporting like way,   you know, a a single, you know, shot, you know, lever action or bolt action.   Sure. Absolutely.  

Now   somebody that lives like I do where I have goats, alpacas. These are not defense. These are not animals don't have a a good defense system. Their defense system is scream like a bitch and hope I come running with a gun.   That's their defense system.   So and there's these things called mountain lions,   which I know people in the city don't have those around,   but they move like greased lightning   on crack.   And they zip and zag, and they're all over, and it's really hard to hit 1. And they will also come eat you. And so   that thing just doesn't wanna give me time   to go ahead and bolt action that bad boy. When you go ahead and have something   that might weigh as much as you and has   knife like claws this long and teeth the same,   you might wanna be able to sling some some, you know, bullets   more than one every few seconds. You might wanna be able to just go whap whap whap whap whap until that thing stops moving. Or I've had to chase bear off my property.  

Same situation.   While a black bear normally only wants to eat fruit,   occasionally they get hungry or pissy or they have a cub around   and then they get real real murder y. And I I don't wanna be murdered by a black bear.   So 2 entirely different circumstances.   I understand where they're coming from in the city. You don't really want people with a whole bunch of people slinging a whole bunch of bullets, because most of those people that live in the bay   never leave the bay.   Part of when they talk about in the conspiracy world 15 minute cities, like, that's coming. What do you mean that's coming? That's just been here forever.   Like,   you can live in place in all in every major city in the United States and within 15 minutes be at a grocery store, your work, you know, a department store, whatever you need. That shit's existed since, like, the seventies.  



[01:12:55] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I see what you mean. And,   I feel like some people try to put a new twist on   that whole thing with the whole smart grid and all that stuff,   which is understandable, but at the same time yeah. Benchburn, I totally feel you and, like yeah. She's been around for a long time and, like, our you know, catching up and kinda, like, putting the pieces together. That's cool and this and that. So what are we gonna do about these things? How are we gonna act upon these things?   And I totally get where you're coming from and, like, yeah, the like, through   human evolution, like, there are certain systems that   have needed to evolve   to accommodate for   just the expansion of of   technologies   and all these things. And, but what one of the factors that seems to be left out is just like that   the human equation with all this in regards to   just like people's, you know,   sovereign rights   and respecting property rights. And we see today   in California is fucking   atrocious with, you know, the property tax and all this stuff. It's like, what do you you you buy a house.  

You pay off the mortgage and all this stuff.   Or and same with the car and all this stuff, yet you still have to pay,   you know, property tax and all these things and reregister your car and blah blah blah.   So   we could all, you know, agree that,   yeah,   things could definitely change. And we   we definitely do have to keep in mind, especially in the   the   true with our community with people, you know,   going on and on. Like,   you know what? It's like   15 minute cities. What's up with these, like, you know, 5th 15 second names type of thing or even, like, 1.5 seconds, you know, with, like, little flash of information. Oh, you got it now. Alright. On to the next and this and that. It's like, no. Like, these things need to be properly fucking digested   and looked into and discerned,   researched, referenced, and all these things. You're not gonna get it from a, you know, these little fucking TikTok videos and all that shit at the same you know? Right?  

So,   yeah, I see a lot of people latching on to, you know, truthful stuff, yet   it's just like this.   A lot of integration that's lacking and experience behind it and a lot of people that haven't even been outside much of their own 15 minute fucking cities, whatever   the fuck, to really understand, you know, the bigger perspective outside of where they're   living at and, you know, all that jazz. You know?   And that's not to overgeneralize,   of course, but, yeah. Anything on that? Yeah.  

[01:15:39] Unknown:

No. The the the the these clip, the way our our our everything's just shortened and shortened down,   it's absolutely amazing and and the things that we miss because   we feel this need to have a beginning,   middle, and end. And it's like that's like a little block. And if we can get 50 blocks of information in the same spot span that we can get one that feels better to us. Like, we've accomplished   more things.   And and so   it's a real trick   in the, you know, part of the human mind that we need to overcome at some point. And the digital age has done nothing but take and made that just massively   worse. Yeah. The TikTok truthers are the worst because in 15 seconds, you can make anything sound   amazing.  

Anything sounds suspicious, especially to a group of people that don't know anything about anything.   I've gotta step out for a minute, gentlemen. I apologize.   I've gotta help carry in a stove or else we will not have supper.  

[01:16:46] Unknown:

That's,   very important, and that's how   people work together to make sure everyone's fed. If we're talking in terms of living in a society or living in a tribe or a family,   and we have these holy days, So Easter is a time when a lot of family who has been   divided   is forced   together   to kinda share a meal,   maybe,   catch up with, how the kids are doing, sports scores and all of that, and they probably don't see each other again   till Christmas time. Is that kind of how the the family structures are over in France, kind of the same things?  

[01:17:24] Unknown:

Damn.   Yeah. You brought up such a great point. And, I definitely wanted to mention this, and I have in in recent videos   of just, like, yeah. We can, you know, talk about the negative size of these, you know, inverted holidays, yet   we can   always look to the positive, how it brings people together and families I haven't seen each other. I I love the fact you brought that up, Alan. Yeah. For sure.  

[01:17:49] Unknown:

Just to share a meal together regardless of Yeah. Anything. It's like, to have that level of commitment, and that's maybe where we're getting to in the conversation, the idea of what is the glue,   what holds things together. Now you're also talking about dissolving the device, so there's this sort of   paradox here.   So some things need to be kept together.   Some things need to be split apart and categorized   correctly. We have a lot of categorical   errors. We have a lot of, like, with the TikTok thing   saying, well, what is this? So they're they're asking   the most absurd   questions, which leads a mind into a place that is so   hypothetical. It's a hypothetical of a hypothetical   of a hypothetical,   which is so   just out there. It doesn't have any   function   in the real world   other than to entertain.  

So   if the the glue and the the basic   work that needs to be done   is seen as boring   or it's laborious   or it's too hard or I don't get an instant reward or someone else should do it or it's not my job.   You go to a grocery store. You complain about the prices. You get a few things in your cart. You go to checkout.   You check yourself out.   So then at that point, do you add more stuff to your cart? Do you say, look, they're a big corporation.   They don't need to exist.   There are malls in New York   that are refusing to pay their mortgages   because the mall security and the police force   are not stepping up to prevent people from walking out with things that they haven't paid for.  

So if the social   fabric and that basic   agreement   of   playing this sort of game   to have a society, to have a city to visit, to have tourism,   to make the exchange this free market thing.   And then it's like our money is now worthless.   So what are we living for that might seem hopeless,   but that's just the opportunity to say,   hey. We've done this before.   We've built   cities. We've built bridges. We've built schools. We've built communities.   What made them work?   And then it's just as simple as moving back towards that. So it's a course correction.  

[01:20:34] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Alan, that was great. I really love what what you said. And, to answer your question real quick before I forget and drift off too close, but,   I have noticed that, yeah, in France, things are quite domesticated   due to certain disarmaments and that kind of stuff and just a lot of conditioning through a lot of time. It's more ancient than over in America,   which is understandable. But at the same time, there is, you know, a pretty deep heart and spirit among, you know, a good amount of people,   especially those that have been, you know, just, you know, avoiding   a lot of the bullshit.  

And as far as, you know, like, family connections and this and that,   their family is pretty close, actually, especially in the south of France.   The,   yeah, the the parents expect, you know, their kids, you know, if they get married, you know, to have a kid within the next first couple of years, especially, and then because they wanna see the grandkids, and   they're they're, like, constantly in their life. You know, it's not that separated or divided just because   the kids are off on their own. There's not a whole lot of,   like, oh, you live with your parents when you're whatever years old.  

It's like,   it just doesn't matter. In certain cultures, it's just like,   what else in life do you have outside of your fucking family sometimes, you know?   For other people, that means the world to them,   you know. And over in America, sometimes   and what I like to   and wow. You got some killer   plays on words, man. Like, how people can be bored because, you know,   doing the great work can be laborious.   Like, holy smokes. That's hitting the nail on the fucking head, man. Real talk.   And, yeah,   I understand, like, people that just are getting   acclimated to these things, and they don't have a reference point or whatever, and they're used to   so much bullshit entertainment and flashy lights and the bling fling, whatever the hell that, you know, the mainstream media brings.  

And whatever these TikToker, flip floppers be, you know,   talking about. Right? So   for for people that just, you know, sit down or tune in and, you know, focus their brain for longer than a goldfish, woah. Yeah.   Let's, you know, bring bring back the essence, folks, you know, kind of thing. Like  

[01:23:06] Unknown:

I was looking for your essence through your link trees and some of your social medias,   and something called a conscious hip hop kept appearing. Again and again, 432 hertz,   and the the words and the music,   what is that about, and when did that become   something that you   really felt was a defining,   personality trait   for you personally?  

[01:23:30] Unknown:

Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. And,   it   happened a little bit before   a couple years before I really had   a frequency shifting activation   type of awakening   in 2012.   Before that, I was a huge, you know, hip hop enthusiast. I was deep in the scene in the Bay Area, going to open mics and seeing, like, rap battles and just, like, live shows, underground hip hop, like, that conscious, you know, independent shit.   And, just stacking up tons of,   music. And,   when I had my awakening,   it really opened up the inner ear.   And when I started, you know, list when I was obviously still listening to music because moving out to France, like music, that was one of my best friends. So I had a really intimate relationship with that, and I was starting to put playlists together.  

And boom, when I had, like, you know, going through, like, a quantum leap of research and going through, you know, pseudo societies and what the hell is going on and trying to get to the bottom of what the fuck is really going on, and within myself as well because I felt like I was just like   sleepwalking even though I kind of felt like I knew stuff and I wasn't so brainwashed or manipulated yet   You know, I wanted   to step my fucking life game up to so I can actually, you know, raise a kid, which at the time I was looking forward to doing with the wife at the time. But, anyways   so,   yeah, the the conscious hip hop was something that just, like, touched my soul in, like, so many different levels of my chakras, especially, like, listening to this stuff and, like, getting,   that throat burn. Do you ever get that sometimes when you, like, hear something or even, like, you're thinking about something,   and it resonates so profoundly.  



[01:25:21] Unknown:

Yes.  

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I have just  

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a plan for that throat burning all these things so long.  

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So I've always got a recall on hand. I like the, the berry medley and the   the the honey herb from the Swiss alpine.  

[01:25:39] Unknown:

That's a big seller out here in France too, actually. But, I don't know if that could remedy,   you know, what this eternal   soul spark really   activates.   And for me, it was, you know, mixing conscious hip hop was that outlet for me at the time because   I kinda like I felt like I woke up too soon in a sense. Like,   I didn't have all my proper grammar,   yet I was I had my crown chakra just, like,   exploded in in a sense and trying to find   reference points and this and that and, you know, learn learning through yeah. I went through the gamut of, you know, the David Dykes and the Max Ziegans and then learning through Mark Casios and,   finally, and   all these other folks in between. I'm trying to fill in all these different gaps and pieces of the puzzle to   the huge spectrum of this   reality,   the false side of it, the paradoxes as you call it. And, yeah, it's crazy. I I wanted to mention what you talked about   with that because   trying to dissolve these divides, it goes into the alchemical process.  

The actual,   you know, what Benjamin talks about all the time   and like he did on our show, actually going through the proper   calcination of burning off,   you know,   the the falsities and then going and   dissolving the divide, the dissolution.   That's kind of where ours our thing is at.   In a sense, you know, we wanna get   beyond that, but at the same time, a lot of people are still stuck at that   blackening calcination phase because   there's a lot of hang ups and hesitations   and things   that people are not willing to let go of or admit wronged falsehoods or, you know, negative knowledge,   the whole nine. But yeah. Allen.  



[01:27:39] Unknown:

We've got another guest here, and maybe you know her more than we do. So I'll have you introduce her to us.  

[01:27:46] Unknown:

Hey. Yes. Hello. I made it. Sorry. I'm late. I it was a long day with travel and   just got home.  

[01:27:53] Unknown:

So Awesome, Leslie. Yeah. We're just Yeah. I was just talking about dissolving the divide and how it fills in with the good old alchemical process. And, we had a great conversation earlier today, and,   Yeah. I'm glad you made it on your way. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Made it in.  

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Gosh. How are y'all doing?  

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It's been a very active night for a lot of animals and and people, and we're just, keeping the stream streaming,   keeping the consciousness   flowing.   Join us at a a great time.   Derek was talking about conscious hip hop and kind of the music, and I think the throat chakra, just kinda getting aligned   and activating and opening up to that sort of stuff.  

[01:28:36] Unknown:

Yeah.   That's interesting. You know, we our guest today is it was a native American elder, and,   you know, part of what he did that was unique in this podcast today was singing   and drumming.   And I think that   the singing   of the indigenous people, the chanting,   you know, if you look at most   indigenous peoples,   their   use of sound was important,   and,   I think that   there's multiple   things about that. You know, I'm a I'm a clinical social worker, and I I help do people overcome trauma.   And the more you're we're learning about, like, the vagus nerve   as,   a big   a big network of nerves from the brain down the throat   and down into the gut.  

You know, we it this this whole network is very connected to our overall well-being and and and physiological   wellness to be in the rest and digest state of of safety,   digest state of of safety.   Or when it's,   you know, disrupted,   then we are in,   a physiologically,   you know, hyperaroused   state or a hypoaroused   state. So we're either gonna be   panicked or anxious or activated   and extreme or   frozen and disassociated.   So this vagus nerve is so   related to our wellness, our physiological and psychological wellness. And one of the big components is the throat.   So a lot of ways of toning the vagus nerve is through   humming,   chanting,   singing.  

And so I think there's really something deeper about this,   throat chakra   as part of our activation   as,   and our regulation,   you know, as humans.  

[01:30:43] Unknown:

So I know that fits into what you guys are talking about. That's what Perfect. We're just kinda throwing a lot of Yeah. Big ideas on on the table. We don't have the answers to all of them, but we we know that some people on TikTok ask the most ridiculous   questions that kinda lead nowhere.  

[01:31:02] Unknown:

Where's our, dispenser of caustic wisdom at?  

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Dispensing some Any of the peacocks on the roof?  

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Some attention to,   animals. It is kind of Easter weekend here. We're talking about   some of those holidays and meals that families gather around,   services,   that sort of thing. The the religious aspect of of bringing people together, but also dividing them, kind of finding our way through this   Yeah. Topic a little bit.  

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Yeah. Very interesting.   Yeah.  

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The entanglement we talked about a little bit.   Consequentialism,   I think, was a word I wrote down.   I don't know where you guys would like to to go with that. What's on your mind?  

[01:31:53] Unknown:

With with natural law, it it's equated. It's part of the equation, but some people kinda consider it that. But, yeah, law of cause and effect and all that. But, as far as like the I wanted to reference because y'all mentioned that she'll will,   you know, will tell truth. Mhmm.   With that natural freedom league,   John Rowland, the   freedom under natural law cast that Leslie is part of as well, Chris Jansen.   But, they did a you know, Will and, Logan Hart did a really cool conversation. You can check that out on both their channels, wizard factory or Will Keller's   or.  

He's also part of.   They were talking about the whole, you know,   all these, you know,   the whole issue with Easter holiday, I guess. I'm just gonna make it simple with that. They're doing some  

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shows on the Cryptric show around,   the origins of all of our   our major holidays, and they're tracking them to pagan roots. Yeah.  

[01:32:54] Unknown:

Yeah. They've been doing this since Halloween.   That's Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. I'm glad they're continuing that shit. You know? Keep it up. Yeah. Yeah. I'm listening to a a podcast called,  

[01:33:05] Unknown:

Dan Carlin's Hardcore History,   which is super fascinating   and well done and entertaining, so I recommend it. But the the one,   and they're, like, long. Like, I'm   there's a 2 part series on the Viking history called The Twilight of the Acer,   and, like, the first one was 5 hours. This one is, like, 6 hours. I'm almost done with it, but   he went into   the detailed history of   the Viking invasions   and the   process of,   I guess,   Christianizing   of the pagan peoples,   and they he used a term called cooking,   which is a way that one culture   basically slow simmers,   you know, the other   culture   into   acclimating   or taking on their   their own culture.  

So,   you know,   making deals with Vikings, having them come over onto, you know,   have a village on the the land of,   you know, the Anglo Saxon land, but then   lots of missionaries, missionaries, missionaries,   you pressure   to transform these pagan people into Christians and take on their holidays. And then, you know, so there'd be a slow process of cooking them   to turn them into Christians.   And I think that   that's where   pagan   traditions   were brought into Christian holidays   as one of the ways that they, you know, kind of cook them into I think they've overcooked them because now they all say the Hallmark holidays  

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whereas just go to the store, buy the card for the holiday,   buy the accoutrement for the holiday,   then celebrate the holiday through some sort of commercialism   and spending money   more than time   with people.  

[01:35:18] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Very commercial   takeover.  

[01:35:21] Unknown:

Oh, inverted spiritual currency.  

[01:35:23] Unknown:

Mhmm.   Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Benjamin.  

[01:35:28] Unknown:

How's it going? Glad glad you can make it. Glad you can make it. Glad I could too.   Yeah. I I think poor Derek was feeling like, he was, under a microscope over here and he was looking kinda deer in the headlights at us. No.  

[01:35:44] Unknown:

I'm sorry. I couldn't get here earlier. I was I was driving and that the, reception isn't very good eve either coming from out here all the time. So It's only 5:30  

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in the morning over here, but, yeah, Monday. Yeah.   Yeah. Usually, I'm more of  

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it. Right out the gate, 5:30 in the morning with the serious questions. Getting fired.  

[01:36:07] Unknown:

Get them.   Hey. Bring that fire of Aries because it 'tis the season,   brother.  

[01:36:16] Unknown:

Yeah. We had a podcast earlier today. I doubt I doubt if Derek has gotten a a a regular night sleep   at all. So give him a break.  

[01:36:27] Unknown:

Yeah.   Well, it's all love, man. I I love this shit. You know? You know? I need to be trolled a little bit more because it's it's about time. And I I love people   holding each other accountable and that kind of stuff, and that's kind of what I see in a hermetically sealed society.   But, yeah, I know. That sounds all like mystic, like, fairytale,   unicorn type of stuff   because, yeah, things do kinda, like, lack structures,   especially if we're not, like,   mapping these things out. And so,   yeah, like like you said, you know, there's gonna be peep you know, like, oh, respect everyone's free will. But what if, you know, the majority of people's free will and whatever certain geographical area just wanna, you know, smoke meth all fucking day or whatever the fuck? How is that gonna help any part of that area, and how is that gonna ripple out in a negative way towards other things? So,   yes, just,   sometimes I just feel like it's just a clusterfuck of consciousness   or quite the conundrum in this Gordian knots of entanglements   throughout society and consciousness and the whole generational traumas that have been building up to the present day.  

Yada yada. Know what I say?  

[01:37:43] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I I thought I'm kind   of delving more into history.   I'm realizing   just how,   you know, if you're looking at our ancestral DNA,   it's really freaking traumatized.   You know?   We're carrying that.   So   I think that there's a lot   of shock and denial   that's been bred into us and, also,   you know, in fight, flight, freeze, or fawn, you know, the codependency,   the fawning,   the,   you know, that concept where people   defend their abusers,   you know, the Stockholm effect, and   so much is of that is playing out because I think we're a really traumatized species who haven't found our   true selves,   maybe never have. You know? We're still yet to experience that.  

So  

[01:38:51] Unknown:

yeah.   I I,   like I was saying before, I was talking about you were, not in yet.   The I don't see where this could ever happen on a a   the entire plane or world, whichever way you wanna see that. I don't   I I think that the reason that they call, like I I do think that there could have possibly been breakaway societies, but there's a reason that they said it's a breakaway society. Like,   if you believe some of the stories, I I'm using this one, like, as an example. I'm not saying that they were 1 or anything else, but   those characters that supposedly happened in the last 100 years or so.  

Of the Thule,   the Thule would have been a very small portion   of the   the overall,   what would they have called that? The Nazi party, which was a portion of the German people,   which was, you know, blah blah blah. You got down to a very small section of people and they call that a society   when they in the terminology.   So   I I think that, you know, it   what I believe probably is that   a small number of people,   I don't know what that number is, probably 500 or less,   is able to   coexist in a fairly functional,   you know, society or tribe, and those people   can advance,   you know, phenomenal, make phenomenal advances.  

But I think that just like any other animal,   like chickens.   If I have 5 chickens, those chickens have crazy personalities.   Like, I know their personalities.   I they do things. If I have 500 chickens,   they don't have personalities.   They are all in the herd now. It goes into a herd mentality at some point.   And at at that tipping point of that,   I think is where   I any given society   is the only way that a real true,   Utopian society could ever be is at that number.   You know? And after that, I think that the overall intelligence   of the community starts degrading   after you reach a certain,   number of people.  



[01:41:38] Unknown:

That makes sense to me.   You know, because how can individuals   maintain their individual   their individuality   if you're drowned out in a 1000000 people? You know?   And if you are going to be vital and interactive in your   community,   it needs to be small enough to be able to dialogue   and do problem solving and have an impact or a say, you know, an influence.   Yeah. Exactly.  

[01:42:09] Unknown:

And and then then the thing is is   in that, you're also all gonna be living because that in that region is not gonna be very big. So you're all gonna relatively be living in the same environment.   You're gonna have the same environmental   needs. It's not gonna be like that situation I was talking about earlier with, like, the gun rights where I can understand   some person living in an apartment in the bay doesn't want somebody with an artillery next to them. But out here having a semi automatic rifle as a mountain lion charging across the field murdering things doesn't seem unreasonable at all. No. You're free. You know?  

[01:42:46] Unknown:

No. I know. Very true.   It's and it's like there is a huge divide, speaking of divide, between,   you know, the culture and the   needs perspective of a person who lives on a ramp.   Sorry. My cat. And, you know, someone in a city. You know, I I had an eye opening experience with a friend of mine who lives on property out in,   middle of Indiana,   And he,   you know, he had,   just sort of expressed there was just no clue. People had no clue   of what was needed   to,   you know, maintain your safety and do that, have that life out there. And the idea of not having a gun is ridiculous. You know?  

[01:43:33] Unknown:

Out here, the city the closest city I live to, a guy got shot on Main Street. The cops didn't come for 2 days.   Yeah. Like, they're like, if you got murdered, they're like, oh, he's dead already?   Went to a party and kept getting fucked up. Like, that dude is just over here, like, fuck yeah, man. Somebody should clean that up. Well, I'm having a beer.  

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Like Yeah.  

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There are definitely up in,   Northern California, some areas where police don't bother even going. You know?   Yeah.   So it's up to the people who live there to figure it out.   Yeah.  

[01:44:22] Unknown:

But like a lot of places, because, you know, people have gotta figure out and sort out their, you know, woah, their heated moments and a lot of stuff and, you know, calling the cops. How many   people out there in listener land, you know, ask your neighbor or your friends or or what you've seen or experienced.   The cops take how long to get from point a to point b as soon as you hang up that phone after dialing 911   at the same time. Is the problem gonna be be resolved through them, or can you figure it out by yourself as conscious adults  

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type of thing? I know. No. It's driven in the cities.   Even if you know, I used to think that they might show up and make a presence just to be a deterrent, but I don't   I don't even think they do that anymore.  

[01:45:11] Unknown:

It's   S. B. Alger.   Greetings and salutations. You, Brandon. Here's where they have  

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stumbled into a conversation about the police, and that's unfortunate for the police. But I'm here to tell them   just how the police really act and know they they show up to be a deterrent if they feel like it or if it benefits them in some way   or if someone in their superior position that has dirt on them tells them to go do it. But, otherwise, they don't give a fuck. I don't care.  

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But they wanna keep their hands clean mostly.  

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It is. It's a game of not taking action to see who screws up the most and then take an action last   just like any shitty fear of credit position. You know? Yeah. And a tale of truth. I wish it wasn't true. The sheriffs in my experience are a little bit better than the police departments, but for the most  

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part because that's an elected position.  

[01:46:00] Unknown:

Yeah. They know they have to act at least they have to at least practice an outward expression of the correct persona.   Whereas  

[01:46:08] Unknown:

my experience, the regular police is not parts. That's only in the counties where there's multiple people running.  

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If you're in a small small county like Humboldt is, there is one of the sheriff is the worst. Then it's the worst guy in town. There's one dude right.  

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Yeah.  

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They go democratize their nephews. Threaten the election when only one guy's on the ballot.  

[01:46:33] Unknown:

No. I would I wouldn't want nothing to do with, police politics in Humboldt County. You guys could keep that. I don't I'm not interested.   It's gotta be bad bad.  

[01:46:42] Unknown:

Oh, Amelie Morier is watching us while she's pooping.  

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Nice.   Nice.  

[01:46:49] Unknown:

That's proper.   Tell us you're smoking a joint also.   Come on, Emily. Don't let me down.   Nice.  

[01:46:57] Unknown:

That's our esteemed dedication, man. Allen's use that I've really enjoyed. We love him, you know. We love him, man. It's transparency.   Is this one is this one that he did? No. This one is is this No. It's a what do you say? I'm gonna tell my kids that this was  

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Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers. Hey, kids. I'm pooped.  

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It's not supposed to say poop. I knew that I I knew that that was it.   I mean, there is no way Emily Moyer in her right mind is jumping on to tell her she's pooping. That's just Oh, good. I thought maybe she was pretty high, but then had a good time.  

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What was she doing instead?  

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She said she's it's she used to say pooped and her her she explained it and the thing did deliver.  

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Oh, that's hilarious.  

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Like, I I thought it was a I I thought it was, you know, hey. If you want it if you want an introduction, that's gonna get it to enter, you know, some fucking, you know,   entertaining value.   Hey, guys. Oh, no. Oh, let's say hi.   We love you, Emily. And even if you were pooping, I still would have thought that was great.  

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Only if you were smoking a joint, though, I'd just I mean, I turn off the camera and make sure I hit that mute button. It's really important to hit that mute button if you're gonna step away to the restroom, or you could be smooth and take the Bluetooth  

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off. Otherwise, you could have a bad experience here. Steve Poinkenen, the first show I was ever on with him is when I first started doing this,   and I was like, oh, Steve just caught me. Damn it.  

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You don't the battle hymn of the republic.  

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There's no  

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Mhmm.  

[01:49:04] Unknown:

Now we can all relate to this too. Emily says I caught it, but had already hit send, but you know All the time. Changes my words. It changes your words. You know, they do all this stuff on purpose. I hope people realize that that they design all this stuff to be trolling you. 100%. Loki the spirit of Loki is behind all technology in my opinion. It's just designed that way like you're like I was saying last week, when your your screen scrolls away, like you're looking right at the thing that you were on last. You're thinking I'm still gonna add a comment or a picture, interject here. And your finger gets a 17th of a millimeter from the screen and it goes, wee, like a double Ferris wheel. And then you're like, oh.   If you're like, me in the streets, you're just gonna find it right back to the post.  

And then when you go back to find it, your whole thing resets and it's gone. It resets. Exactly. It gives you a nod feed. The whole engagement. You can't get that change for anything if you wanted to change. You don't, you know, you can't tell the algorithm, hey, man. Refresh me so I'm not looking at the same 10 posts real quick. You there's no button for us to do that, but they'll they'll serve us a new feed when they're ready. Oh. Yeah.  

[01:50:03] Unknown:

John, no one came to play. Come tell us tell us come on, brother. Tell us who you, tell us all about yourself. Hey, bud. Hey, Leslie. Hey, Derek. Good to see you.  

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Hello. Spiders. Good to see you guys.  

[01:50:18] Unknown:

Is this you here?   John Roman. That's me. So naturalized spiritual sense is a law of human He is,  

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very much in a natural law. Again, I've met him in person out doing actual work, trying to talk to people,   spread the the good information out in the public.   You know, he's he's   John's awesome.   Please tell tell him, about your website and give out give out your information, brother. Go for it.  

[01:50:48] Unknown:

Yeah. I,   I was, you know, my awakening process. I mean, it seems like it's a lifelong process.   Around 2015,   I got involved in the health freedom movement in California.   Kinda saw the writing on the wall of what was coming.   Still couldn't have imagined what they actually   attempted and pulled off.   But, you know, we were trying to tell people probably the biggest protest at California State Capitol.   The legislators just kept pushing through these laws.   And a lot of what they pushed through is what is actually how they ran the pandemic.   Specifically a b   262,   which basically gives the health department, like,   a blank   check. If 3 people have a disease,   it's an outbreak, and they can take you from your home, take your kids from your home.  

And democrats and republicans in California voted for this. So,   in that time period, I discovered Mark Passio   really got into his work,   and   he really did have a a system that   just seemed to make sense, kinda broke everything down.   He also opened my mind up to looking into the occult. I know a lot of people here are into it, but up to that time, I mean,   you know, I was into religion, spirituality,   different religions, but never really thought of, you know,   the occult.   Even though I did have exposure to it, I never really understood,   you know, what it was. So Mark Passio led me to that too.  

And so in   when the pandemic happened, I basically   was, like, wanted to get offline   because I was just preaching to these people who were just   they weren't gonna agree with me no matter what. And, like, even now, the way everything is post pandemic,   it's like, I can find some information that shows that heart disease is caused by this thing. And then the other side will say, no.   It's actually   the people who aren't getting it are less likely to have heart disease, and the heart disease comes from the from the virus, you know, and it's like, there's no winning. Right? And so I started going out on the streets, in my hometown,   and I just set up a sign called Natural Freedom League. And I just started   my idea was protesting, but to educate people, like education demonstrations.  

And I really thought, like, teaching people this idea of natural law   and what is a right,   which I think is a good place to start in terms of   Mark Pacio's,   what he created, his version of natural law, I'll say. His it's very specific.   And I would just say, like, you know, what is a right? Like, why do they call it a right? You know, because it's correct. It's the right action. It's you have a right to do it because you're not causing   harm to anybody.   Now   started Natural Freedom League, that turned into a podcast with me and Will, and we interviewed we did, like, 77 interviews, inter interviewed Ben,   interviewed Mark, interviewed James True,   lot of big names, you know, in the truth movement. Right?  

And, basically, I started to get hung up. Ben was one of the people that kinda opened my mind to it.   What does objective mean?   And when we say objective morality,   you kinda have to explain what you mean   because   it's easy to say, no, that's not objective. It's not an object.   It's not something I can see and feel and show you.   It comes   from the human mind. There's something in us   that we all share,   which is morality.   And it's a it's a angel and the devil on your shoulder.   And with everything you do, it it's it I think it is the discernment process.   Right? But we can look at it as morality   when it comes to causing harm or not.  

And so we all have this process, but   what I got hung up on really was well,   I was on the 1 Great Work Network, and then I left just because I didn't really   like the way that Mark was going with his tone.   And,   I also didn't agree with him on everything.   And,   but the other thing was I just felt like let's just remove the term objective.   Just say morality.   Natural law is based on morality because it comes from us.   It comes from our values and how we what we think is right and wrong. And so  

[01:55:28] Unknown:

to tier collective experience and how we perceived it and what we've decided as a society that is good and not good.  

[01:55:36] Unknown:

Right. Yes. And that's never gonna be a 100% objective,   you know. And so   you have to   I think truth and reality and morality   is objective and subjective,   You know? Which ultimately would make it subjective.   But I think there's both aspects to it.   And you can't really separate the subjective side of it because it comes from us,   you know. So that's my take.  

[01:56:06] Unknown:

So   I'm so glad you brought this up because the other day and this is a perfect spider web weave right here.   That I saw that that girl   that's, or girls   where it's the side that can join twins. And they're like, you know, like, each got basically a torso on up or half a torso on up, got married to a guy.   Now   on their honeymoon,   objectively,   they had sex.   Now, my question is, is if the girl that subjectively   did if one of them did not wanna have sex, but the other one did,   would one of them find the same act, objective act,   not pleasurable   while the other one was having a great time? How's that fuck with your world? Right? Like,   you know, the one that feels like I don't wanna do this, could she feel uncomfortable,   not achieve orgasm,   while the one that is, like, totally in love with this man   achieve orgasm.  

Because,   especially with women, we know how very mental that entire thing is. So   can this objective act subjectively   affect 2   people differently   sharing the same   hip area?  

[01:57:26] Unknown:

I would say yes.   That that's very possible just like a person with dissociative identity   disorder   and in one persona have diabetes   and in the other not.   So it's very possible. Is there what is the mind? Right? The mind is something   very   expansive beyond our physiology, but very interconnected   to our physiology.   Right? But that doesn't mean that there's not law   that we   don't have the   perceptive ability to fully understand   as humans.   So, you know, there seems to be some kind of   observable,   possibly measurable   law   in the universe   that is something way beyond   our creation   that we are   have the capacity to figure out or observe,   and it's it's something   much bigger than us. So, you know, and, you know, you can   you can   so I guess where I I I agree that I think there's both objective and subjective, and it's actually through our subjective   that we may really learn   to   understand   morality.  

Right? Something felt.   But what we feel is also a function of our physiology   and our nervous system,   which is part of the energetic interconnection of humanity,   which   is based on some   principle.   You know what I mean? So I think it's it's complex.   But I think if there is objective   measurable laws,   not that we all understand them.  

[01:59:36] Unknown:

So   but when we're talking in this system,   again,   some people are gonna experience those laws   and and not find them just like we find right now. There you can be guarantee we could invite at least as many people as we have here that would definitely find these laws very equitable, very, you know, very good that we live in the best system that's ever been recorded in human history.   You know, this is amazing.   And   and honestly, it would be hard to,   in a in a measurable   way,   prove them wrong. Because   currently, I am a very I'm I'm on the I'm a poor person who lives very rough and tries to do everything. I'm on my own.   I live better than Alexander the great   did by far.  

I live better than   any king that in in   except for the last 100 years   has ever lived. I eat all the foods. I I always have heat.   I have electricity.   I'm able to do this thing. This is cool as shit. I got, you know,   I I got a big old truck I can drive around, like, and it's all under the this system   where all these people live like kings. So in a measurable way,   they would be right. In an immeasurable way, which turns it into a very,   subjective thing, that's the object that's really very objective, but in the subjective truth,   our personal growth has died   in this process.  

And as a people,   in a not so measurable way,   we have become extraordinarily deficient and weak, and and it's not good at all. So it's a really hard thing to get across to people   that we're not in the best thing ever when   almost provably we are.   And then you're like, yeah. But it sucks.   Like  

[02:01:40] Unknown:

Well, I gotta ask you now when you're talking about living like a king,   does that mean you are now responsible for so much more?   And if we're getting into the idea   of anarchism   and being your own bank and then tying it into currencies and that control system, And the thing with Bitcoin that so many people struggled with and continue to struggle with is   having to be their own bank,   which means having a firm understanding of   networks   and computer systems and servers   and storage space and then upgrading   all the time, everything, and keeping it going.   So now they are sovereign,   they are their own bank, they have their own   energy stored into a cryptographic   token that is some value   sometimes, but now they're comparing it to other   coins and saying, well, I have the most valuable coin, but I want a new coin because that's going to become more valuable.  

So it's sort of this this shell game of chasing after all which one has the Bitcoin in it. I lost my wallet. I lost my seed key. I'm so responsible for all these things,   but it keeps moving around and shifting around.   And then we lose our focus on, well, what are we   what are we doing here? Are we trying to   create a network where there's a blockchain   where everybody has the money that they have,   and that's the most important thing for society is based around   having a a real measure of value,   or is it a social currency?   Is it a spiritual currency?  

Do all these things have to be in balance somehow?   But we're constantly being   shifted   to different things to look at, and we can just pull the news of the last 7 days.   And there's a big story   in each country   that we could spend hours and hours and hours looking at to get to the root of   what actually happened and why are people   creating their own conspiracy theories about things.   But at some point, is it just   the content creators   creating a trail to their own walled gardens to say,   pay me and I'll tell you what I researched,   but then it just keeps going and going and going. It's a self perpetuating   content creation,   rumor mill, conspiracy mill thing   that doesn't lead us anywhere. And then we show up to Thanksgiving dinner, Christmas dinner, Easter dinner,   and then no one has a cultural touchstone within a family to talk about anything that matters. And it's like, well, we're having ham for dinner. Well, I thought we decided we weren't gonna have ham   years years ago.  

Well, I bought the ham. I brought the ham. You should be thankful for the ham.  

[02:04:39] Unknown:

Did you buy the ham years years ago or was that a recent purchase?  

[02:04:45] Unknown:

You know, the preservatives keep those ham because I you weren't real clear at the end of your story there. I just only like the jelly. I only have the ham. Have the jelly, we're good.  

[02:04:55] Unknown:

See, you you decided not to eat ham, so maybe the first year, you're like, oh, that's a full pot. I'm not gonna bring the ham out now. Have you upset with the ham? This ham. And now for 15 years, you're like, fucking, I paid money for this ham. You're eating that fucking ham after 15 years. You didn't really clarify on whether the ham was a fresh ham.  

[02:05:15] Unknown:

Honey glazed or not.  

[02:05:18] Unknown:

But, I agree. I agree that we agreed a long time ago not to eat the ham. I'm sticking with that. I've I've got it hadn't been a long time since I ate any ham, probably going on 6 years or more now. And, I think everyone should join me and, you know, get on board. Me and Ben are definitely already on board. 0 ham. Let's make it a thing. 0 ham.   Yeah. Even if it's fresh. I mean, the truth is what? You know? The guy from Pulp Fiction, can't think of his name. Jules. Jules is right. A pig is a filthy animal. You don't wanna be eating 1, you know. So If you never fed 1, you definitely don't wanna eat 1. I mean, they they'll knock you over to to get a a wagon full of rotten food and eat you too if you don't get out of the pan. Do it. Because yesterday, I was cleaning out the chicken pen because we got little chicks, and there were some spots that apparently had something delectable.  

[02:06:06] Unknown:

And Petunia came running over.  

[02:06:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.   Charging her way over. I used to have to feed the pigs, and we take all the rotten produce that we had from the garden or whatever out there. And I would literally pull it out there in a wagon. And if I was a little too comfortable,   they try to knock me down, you know, because they want that zucchini so bad. Yeah. It's just like, bro, I'm handing it to you right now. And they're like, nope. We're gonna get it. We're gonna break the wagon. Let's go. We're gonna eat. It's time to eat.   So what what When you get mad, it's like you forget, like, can I get mad? No. I'm feeding a pig. It's my job as a human to remember. Yeah. Feed a pig. Going to act like a pig. And I don't have any right to be like, yo, bro. Pick up what I'm putting down here. Be patient. Sit. You know? Sit, little piggy. That doesn't work for the piggy.   Cows are better either or go No. Cows are worse because they're big. If they decide they're gonna get it, they're gonna get it. But you have food.  

Anyway, there was a little kid that thought cow tip when it was real fanned out the hard way. You and your friends,   they're gonna go  

[02:07:03] Unknown:

out in the field in 7th grade, and you find out the cows would just get around you in a circle and be like, moo, motherfucker. Moo. What are you doing in our field? You don't want us to run around to maybe have with some dummy ask me that. I'm not even hit because that Chris Farley movie come out and goes, do you guys actually go cow tipping? Like, shit. Holy snacking.   Alright. Number 1, a cow's a giant animal, and number 2, they don't sleep standing up. What the fuck are you talking about?  

[02:07:30] Unknown:

Like,   how so I mean, I got to kinda do a thing where you get the pig padded foam pit, keep the cows safe,   and just show the amount of, horizontal force it take.   How hard would you have to push for the cow to tip over? Like, would you just stand him next to the big foam pit and go boop with a big soft bar and say, now do you see Even if you had a friend sit down on his hands and knees behind the cow, you ain't pushing it over. No. Like No. That that ain't happening. That's where you get your interview to post right there. My mini towels would push you.  

[02:08:04] Unknown:

Like, I may I would show you some time the damage to my steel gates my mini cows do. Like, when they say mini, that's still a £800   animal.  

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Like, well, they call it a side of beef for a reason. You can only buy one side at a time because it's too much to have the whole the whole You see that? That's too big and easy now.  

[02:08:25] Unknown:

We have shipping crates that we shove in the animals so they grow to fill  

[02:08:31] Unknown:

the square size and space truckers are showing you. Not letting you derail this more.  

[02:08:35] Unknown:

I'm not letting you go. We'll go we'll go and have here. I'm suggesting  

[02:08:40] Unknown:

natural law. These guys are all into the natural law thing. You're not taking us into fucking marital got the red card like the soccer I got the red card item mark. Who's the fuck?  

[02:08:51] Unknown:

I'm just suggesting that tipping square pig is a lot easier   because then it's just like rolling your eyes. Vaccinated.  

[02:08:58] Unknown:

Basically, it's just a What do you think about   what do you think about to get us back on track   that maybe it's a fallacy to to I mean, I don't I don't I personally don't I don't I'm not hung up on the word objective. Right?   I think morality   as a word in its own is is adequate, and maybe using the word objective is just like derailing people.   But I but I've thought about   subjective and objective being on a polarity, you know, on a pole,   and that   both are true and that we can   evaluate   any, you know, inaction   from from both on this   polarity on this continuum,   and that we   we have, like, a technology   in us   that's very complex, that includes both objective and subjective   abilities,   and that we need both   to figure out how to maneuver life to decide if we're gonna try to tip a cow, you know,  

[02:10:00] Unknown:

Oh, I got a thumbs up. Yeah. And I That is so mean. I fully agree with what you're saying that both exist.   And even in the language they call it, you know, quantifiable,   data versus,   what's the other one, you know, where you're just going on your feelings? I forget the there's a there's a word for a subjective versus a mathematical study, you know,   and we do Correlative?   Well, that's not something I just can't think of the word. It'll come to me.   Correlative is a good word, but that's not the there's there's a different one where you're asking more of a psychological   questionnaire type of a study, and you're really asking people how they feel. And I would say that's where the gray area is   is that okay. So we can agree that we're being mathematical or scientific to a degree,   and we can try to reserve our feelings to a degree. But when it comes right down to the line,   you probably do have some investment in whatever the data is gonna tell you and it might not be enough data for you to honestly choose a side. Qualitative and quantitative.  

Thank you, Verger, for being a Qualitative, we both have a fully we have Major presenter. This is right. Both exist in every person to have, like, a cold, hard facts side, and, this greatly affects my feeling center side. You know? But I'd say people get pushed towards,   compromise or even dishonesty when it gets down to the data that they don't wanna look at.   And so   at that point, that that that qualitative side jumps up and says, no. I'm choosing against blank, you know.   And that's where that's where the pinch is, I think.  

[02:11:35] Unknown:

So when I when I, I invited John onto my show,   when I was doing more of my show, which I, at some point, I'll probably do again. But   but,   I was very curious about this whole thing. And so the way I was putting it because of the way I looked at it, so for me,   objective is a fact that is just undeniable.   Like and and here's here's what I was saying because, like, when he's when when I what I put to John originally was, well, first, natural law,   like, have you ever been out in nature? Nature is very murdery. Nature is very thievery. Nature is nature is very rapey.   So I don't really wanna live like nature. I don't really want that, you know, like like ducks. Ducks are hilarious. Like, if you get, like, 50 ducks, they will separate into color groups.  

And then the males from 1 color group will run over and try and rape the girls from the other color group,   And the other males will fight it off, and then they'll run over and try and rape the males in the other   it's insane.  

[02:12:38] Unknown:

Yeah. You know what I mean?  

[02:12:39] Unknown:

I don't really wanna live that. So at some point in time, we as as   the highest beings   on this plane   have   decided to   make ourselves something more because we're capable of more and that more   is definitely entirely mental. It's not at all gonna be a measurable   thing. So like you take rape, if somebody gets raped,   that is objective. That happened.   Now   subjective,   was that good or not? Well, to that male that from the one, if he gets her done and gets it done, he was like, yeah. That was great. To the female or the male duck from the other tribe, that wasn't great at all. Not at all. And and we as humans have have learned to evolve past that. Like, you know what? Nobody likes it when their women get raped. Nobody likes it. The women don't like it. The dudes don't like it. Nobody likes it. Maybe we should just not do that fucking thing.   And so that was   through,   collective   subjective   experience.  

Subjectively   enough   collective people   decided on something   that objectively happened and they made a decision. And that decision   changes   throughout time.   And Jim's bear yay. And at home.   Yeah.   Welcome home, Jim. Alright. So   if you take one of my best and most uncomfortable examples   is the age of consent of sex.   A 150 years ago, if a 12 year old and a 25 year old were hooking up, nobody was blinking on. Everybody go, well, that 25 year old man right there, he's got himself a plot of land and he's been farming it for a few years. He's got stability.   He can provide for a woman and some children.  

That's a good match. And that's what they would have said. And today, we would have been like, Jesus Christ, you Tomo.   Somebody hang him up. You know?   Somewhere in there, we have a society through some kind of experience   decided that that's not acceptable.   That I e through, like, situations like what we the horror stories you hear about the sect of Mormons   that,   will take little girls and marry them off to an old man. And he's just got, like, 23 kids with 8 wives, and he's banging a bunch of little girls.   You know, that kind of thing   happened enough to where we as a side said, you know what? Let's not do that shit no more. You know? Because at some point, there definitely was examples where that worked out well. But, again,   this brings the understanding that there's so much in here where   objectively something happened, but then all our feelers on good and evil, that is all because of our subjective reaction   to an objective thing. And even when we call it base good and evil, that's because we decided that. That's not because it's good or evil,   in nature   or anything. Because in nature,   it's something if a buck kills another buck, fuck yeah. I killed that son, bitch. He did he was weak and pathetic and didn't deserve to hump all these girls.  



[02:15:54] Unknown:

I'm hoping them all out.  

[02:15:56] Unknown:

Let me add a little variation on this this claim that there's it's only subjective because   okay. Let's say I'm a 13 year old girl or 12 you know, which is, like in Roman days that was considered marriageable age.   And so   if I'm a 13 year old girl and I   have no say   and and I and I don't want and I but I don't want to,   I think this guy's ugly and old and mean.   But   my, you know, my people are telling me it's it's good for my cunt you know, the   helpless get along, whatever.   You know, I'm   being forced into this without a say and without any consideration  

[02:16:40] Unknown:

of the impact on me. Right? And so So so pause for one second. Pause for one second.   You've already laid out a whole bunch of subjective things   ahead of time in order to make this thing you're talking about happen. Right. So if you're just talking about raw   chosen marriage as an objective   thing, then there was a a then that what we're saying objectively   is there was an arranged marriage.  

[02:17:08] Unknown:

Now all those things you just added Are significant. Single one of them is subjective. Yes. But you know where it's where it becomes when we finish because I wanted to compare the 2.   It could be so where is it objective? It's subjective in the physiology   of the person who's being violated.   So if I'm agreeable   and I am   voluntarily   accepting this, I might have anxiety, fear, excitement, but overall, I'm not being traumatized.   But if I am subjectively   opposed and not in agreement   and I'm being forced to do something against my will,   then there are physiological   events that can be measured in my body   and in the future   of my health   that is now measurable   of people who are in prolonged trauma,   develop dissociation,   fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. There's a physiological   correlation to all of that.  

And, yes, there there is a subjectivity   here because   if I like to be   you know, if I'm into rough   facts or whatever,   then I'm not gonna be traumatized by it. It's not a wrong, and I'm participating   voluntarily.   But if I'm   not   doing it voluntarily   and or someone crosses a line that causes harm because they they they didn't follow an agreement,   there is a measurable consequence.   Right? So that to me is just this combination of objective and subjective, and both matter. And that's why the individual matters, and that's why our choice and   our choice to participate   in something matters.  

And we subjectively   feel and know because it's in our there is a biological   aspect, but where we have this   difference than animals is in the frontal lobes,   in this neocortex,   this ability to think in a in a much more   proactive,   you know, we can we can anticipate   in a different way that gives us a greater responsibility.  

[02:19:28] Unknown:

You know? So that's all I'm I I don't like arguing over this. I I I wish Oh, no. I there's no argument at all. I'm loving this as a as a discourse because, like I started out with, I don't know if you were in yet, but I brought up the girl who got married.   And it's 2 girls that I can join twins and one of them got married.   And and at that point in time, literally, one of those girls could basically be experiencing rape and the other one could be experiencing the best night of her life honeymoon   At the same time and my question was,   is through the same because they have 1,   through the same sexual act   is one feeling pain and one feeling pleasure even though the same sexual act is happening at the same time. Now granted, it look appears like these 2 girls probably both at least have some affinity toward the gentleman. But the you see where that situation could easily easily have happened where one of them finds this and what if one of them tonight is really pissed off at him and one of them is not? Like, you know, in any given night. Well, does that one can one of them achieve orgasm and the other one find it unpleasure,   unpleasurable.  

So that's and what I'm saying with the whole thing is is the only objective part because the 2 both sides of that were subjective.   The only objective thing was the thing that happened. Once you put whether it was good, bad,   or whatever, because again, murder can be good to some people.   Like,   you know, there's can there's been societies of cannibals.   And while we would say them are really bad people, if I ask them, they probably wouldn't say they were bad people. See. And I think it's not that black and white, honestly. So, like, look at the body. Okay. The the same body,  

[02:21:20] Unknown:

two minds,   and even women or anyone, male or women, who have who are in the act of being molested or raped can have physiological pleasure, which is what makes it very confusing for children  

[02:21:33] Unknown:

who are being molested. For boys. You can be in a shit situation and still get it hard on because you're peeing.  

[02:21:39] Unknown:

Right. But the bigger question is, is it voluntary? So   to me, in this situation with the woman   with this 2, you know, there's basically 2 2 women   sharing a body.   Mhmm. And so if I were to think what's really ethical, I think they'd need to agree that they both wanna marry that guy and that they both wanna have sex.   Otherwise, there's going to be some   dissociative   experience in that body that's ultimately going to create   probably   a health concern a health problem. Right? There's going to be a consequence   to the situation   that's that's,   where one of the mines is not   approving.  

And so   there's likely going to be a physiological   consequence at some point in that body if both minds don't agree.   And I think that that is something that it that could be measured.   So I think it's not so much about what the body does, but more about the mind and the voluntary or involuntary nature   of what happens.   And that's what morality is. It's about actions   that   you take against another person   is,   you know, violent.  

[02:22:56] Unknown:

This   scene.  

[02:22:59] Unknown:

That's my thought.   John, I wanna hear you. I wanna hear from you.  

[02:23:04] Unknown:

Up, Rachel. Yeah.  

[02:23:06] Unknown:

I would just say that,   one thought I was having is that objective seems to have a correlation to the material realm,   and things that we do here.   And subjective is more of a spiritual, you know, is, you know,   it's a spiritual concept. Freedom is a spiritual concept, You know? And it's like that was another word that I got hung up on was freedom.   Like, we we called our conference Freedom Under Natural Law. So it's like freedom, but there's, like, there's strings attached.   But at least we're saying that. Right? Because if you're under law,   are you really free?  

I mean, the definition of free is no hindrances.   But, obviously, in this body, we have hindrances. We're we're trapped in this body, in this life, on this earth, in this realm, at this time.   And   we aren't completely   free.   So it's a spiritual concept,   you know, and I don't know, I think that maybe this realm   is showing us that,   you know, to really allow people to have their free will,   some people might wanna have government,   you know, and I think that the solution   comes to   where you understand   what you are as a spiritual being and then you're able to say it,   even in their system   and and establish   your status   to them   and in that way avoid their system   and then possibly create a community that, you know, lives under   some agreed values and virtues and things like that, but,   I think that this realm is like,   I kind of got to the point where I don't think the mission is to make everybody   be moral.  

You know, I mean, especially after the pandemic,   you know, how many people I've been trying to tell about this stuff, you know, how dangerous these products are for years, and these are my loved ones,   and they don't care.   And they've actually excluded me and my family   because of our beliefs.   So it's like,   how is it my job   to, like, badger that person?   Be moral, be moral, be moral. It's like,   yes, I do agree. Put out art, You know, put your word out there. But,   I don't think that that's   necessarily,   like, what the point of this is,   you know, in terms of, like, trying to get every everybody to be moral. Some people have to go through   bad things to for their consciousness to raise. And that might be where they're at when they get here.  



[02:25:52] Unknown:

I agree.   Yeah.   Do you think that morality is basically a human concept? Because that's where I'm leading is that more the whole purpose of morality is is about is about humans   and what we're here to learn and and our and way expand our consciousness in this form, in this three-dimensional   kind of reality. Mhmm.   What do you guys think?  

[02:26:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I I agree with John and also with you on that. I think that's the spiritual side of things   and the and what we're learning. And I put this earlier   that,   measurably,   we live better than Kings, and and somebody had put in there that,   you know, that is historically,   you know, maybe they live better. But then again, the at that point, you have to this brings us to the heart of this is the system we have now despite   on paper living better than Kings because   back then, they didn't have the transportation. Like, we're having to say that this technology we currently have has made things actually better. And on paper,   absolutely it has.  

Spiritually,   really has it because are any of us happy about it? Are people were people living a much simpler   life without all of this in their face,   even 50 years ago? But when   your phone rang and you may or may not even fucking hear it, and you called that person back, you know, 3 days later at best because you didn't have caller ID and you didn't even know they were trying to call for 3 days and   everybody was that happier.   This is the things that we're deciding.   And   whether on paper, this measures out are better or not, spiritually, I don't think it is at all.  

[02:27:37] Unknown:

Yeah. You know, John, Tony mentioned at least.  

[02:27:41] Unknown:

Well, hold on. There's nothing  

[02:27:44] Unknown:

Go ahead, dear.  

[02:27:45] Unknown:

I just wanted to say I just did go ahead.   My bad. My bad. I thought you were saying No. You're ago. I wanted to let you go at the same time.   Just for, you know,   things that want people wanna call objective, you know, it's, you know, not necessarily   what people think all the time. It's not some, you know, 2 dimensional, three-dimensional thing. You could also just be something that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions   in   considering and representing facts.   So it's like to kinda, like, separate   our perspective and ego,   all of these things   aside from   the objective reality of what the fuck is actually happening.  

But, yes, you know, correspond that with, you know, our subjective, you know, perspective   perspective to everything. Yeah. Sorry.   SB and, yeah, Jim and Rachel, I'm gonna hear what y'all got to say about some things too. But yeah.  

[02:28:43] Unknown:

Sure. No. I I would totally agree that,   to keep   objectivity and subjectivity in the forefront of a conversation is a challenge because you have to constantly go back like you just did to the definition and repeatedly   agree with whoever you're talking with because it's natural for us to become subjective   immediately. We default to it. We have a core,   you know, in my opinion, more than one core. We have a series of eyes fighting for that I I know what's right position.   And so it's hard to,   you know we we should all be able to agree what the color red is or that the sun rises in the east. Right? But once you get a little farther than that, it starts to become  

[02:29:21] Unknown:

Even the color red. You know, not everybody sees the color red. Right? But there's a physical   definable   objective reason for that, you know,  

[02:29:31] Unknown:

in their hands of their eyes or something. Yeah. I would actually take it was that as oh, go ahead, Rachel. I would take it to the place of language that it starts with our language and how we define these things. You know, we're talking about subjective reality. How many languages put the subject first? English is one of those languages.   How many languages don't put the subject first?   That's gonna change your entire worldview. That's going to shape an entire culture.   Yeah. Good point. And so, you know, we're talking about subjective and objective and all that stuff. Like I'm studying Irish   and you often put the verb first. It makes your storytelling   instant. You're in that place. You're in the action first.  

Went he to this place. Woah. We're going to that place with him   automatically. It's not, he's going to that place, and maybe we could go with him on the story. No. We're already going.   You know? So it it completely changes the way   you live to be in a different language. And so tearing down the language actually breaks down   laws   our   concept of challenge,   and freedom. I would I would say what we're really after is that definition. I loved, John, I loved that definition of freedom   about hindrances. That's such a good point because it's really   it's not that there will never be any, you know, nothing   hindering us. It's just you decide what hinders you.  

You know,   One thing that I'm learning with this particular language is   emotions   are not something that we embody.   In the English language, I am sad. I   am sad. You're putting I am the subject. I am sad. You are embodying sadness.   Not so in Irish.   It's sadness is upon me.   I am myself.   I'm always myself, and sadness is an energetic thing that I can experience,   but I it doesn't own me, and I don't own it.   It's like a dude. You know, the fear that passes through you. It it it passes through me. I like that a lot. I like that a lot. Walk through a day with that mindset. Oh my gosh. I'm just beginning, and it's it's huge.   So when we're talking about things that hinder you, you choose how long you stay in that place by the way that you speak.  

And I mean, I even learned that   there are a lot of Christians   who speak that way.   You know, it sounds like denial to the face of an unbeliever,   but and sometimes it is flat out denial because they're saying, I don't want this in my life. It is not in my life.   It's not. That's not in my world view. It just is not.   And that's the  

[02:32:10] Unknown:

Sometimes the, like in   the mental health field there's   a modality called internal family systems and the whole concept   of this is that   we have a self energy,   right, the self   that's eternal.   That's kind of like connected to spirit and all that is, but that there is   there are parts that our   mind kind of compartmentalizes   and so sadness   isn't like,   isn't part of the self,   but it's a part that   almost develops a separate   life of its own   and that we,   through our awareness,   can   can kind of be the leader   of that.   Right? And that's how we gain our sovereignty   internally.  

And so we and I and I think what happens   is that it's the the awareness.   Because if you're not conscious,   if you blend if if, like, a person   is angry,   right, I am angry,   They are blended with anger   as opposed to   anger.   There's an angry part of me. I have this angry part   that then I can   witness   and manage.   Right? And so a lot of it is is about, like,   the pair the the language is important, 1,   and   that level of consciousness   or denial or   inability, like, the to see your subject. Like, there's the conscious and the subconscious,   and a lot of that   of us is that subconscious or unconscious that we don't see.  

So as we continue to get more conscious, we're understanding ourself more,   And so then we're less blended with all of these   thoughts, worldviews,   feelings. I don't know.  

[02:34:14] Unknown:

Yeah. What you're saying is absolutely   nail on the head is super important, especially when it comes to the law   because the law is all language based.   It's all language based. I'm not an expert, but what I do know is that it it's very much you know, I mean, the police will tell you right straight up front.   Anything you say can and will be used against you. It will be.   Like, there's no ifs and or buts. Everything you said And everything they say is by black's  

[02:34:45] Unknown:

law dictionary,   not by what you believe the word to mean by what they mean. Right. It must be their language.  

[02:34:52] Unknown:

You it's like when you start to embody these things, you start to have these revelations of who you are, what it means, what your emotions need, how everything's tied together.   That gives you a lot of responsibility.   It means that you must know how to speak. It means that you must know what you're saying because we live in a system that's based on words and how those words are specifically used, how this particular magical realm   functions because it's magic. It's you create with your words.   It's pretty heavy.  

[02:35:27] Unknown:

Uh-oh.  

[02:35:31] Unknown:

Starlink's down.   Elon?   What's up with them, shooting rockets into the eclipse? You guys must have something about that. What?  

[02:35:42] Unknown:

They're shooting 3 rockets into the eclipse. Who do you do that? And it's called a it's called APEP, which I guess is the I saw a clip of that. I didn't look at it, but, I mean, it doesn't surprise me. I I find it somewhat shocking that they're admitting it. You know, the deal culting of things and the revelation of things is very strange in these last few years because, like, usually I mean, we don't know what they're doing. They've been shooting rockets all the time. Right? But to advertise it, like, hey. Here's the plan. Here's the name of the project. Here's why we're doing it. Here's why we say we're doing it. You know? Here's why Chris Knowles thinks they're doing it or whatever. You know? Like, some somebody's gonna de occult it and, throw their,   their numerology and their gematria on top of it and, you know.  



[02:36:23] Unknown:

Yeah. It seems like it's a big troll.  

[02:36:27] Unknown:

You know, like I think a big part of the Internet is that way there really is just what you said, John. That it's a there's a guy's name's Les Luther. He's an interesting character, and he he does a lot of work exposing that he thinks almost everything's staged and everything's fake. You know? Like like, he flew to the war zone   to see how bad it was, and it was like nothing. Like, nothing. He went right to where they said the action was, and he he landed on the ground there and threw on his camera. It's like, just chill. People are standing outside at the cafe, and he does that kind of stuff. And he calls it chicken feet. You know? All this stuff,   you know, they knocked down the bridge,   and, oh, they're gonna throw rockets in the eclipse, and, you know, is Biden wearing a mask? And on down the list, and he calls it chicken feed. And I I keep the concept in the back of my mind because I think it's useful, and I've had that feeling in this realm for a long time   that, because,   also,   people like us have seen enough stuff vanish that you can never find again   and seen accounts and posters and people vanish one way or the other permanently,   and you know that if you go dredge that stuff up and try to start slapping it up, that you are gonna be stonewalled and eventually   actionable   things are gonna happen against you if you, you know if we try to make a concerted campaign right now that we're just gonna blast the Internet with Matthew North, we're gonna have opposition. People are gonna have to actively pick up tools and say, woah.  

There's a reason that guy's stuff is on the front page of YouTube. You know? And that's true about dozens and dozens of people. So, obviously,   a healthier way is to give us lots of things to talk about that are safe that seem almost as interesting as whatever the real truth is, you know.  

[02:37:57] Unknown:

But Damn. You mentioned Matthew North. Holy shit. I haven't heard about him in years.  

[02:38:03] Unknown:

Or He's just to me, he's just a good example. I mean, they're literally dozens, but I've seen people posting his stuff on Twitter, and I always appreciated his stuff, you know.   But he to me, he's a good example of, like, it's not easy to go to that level where he was   and just stay safe and have a comfortable   thing. You're gonna end up with   interference   that's, unique. A unique brand of interference is gonna come your way if you do that. You know?   That's why most of the accounts that are involved in those kind of things remain anonymous.   You know?  

Right. Yeah. Yeah. You call. Interesting. Oh, to get back to what I was saying earlier since I got the mic here for a second. Ben was talking about the technology and how it's spiritually unhealthy   to use these machines,   this advanced level of technology that we all experience. And I was just saying, I was been studying,   there's this famous intellectual from Canada. What's his name? Marshall McLuhan. I've been looking at Marshall McLuhan's work again lately, and, it's very fascinating stuff. He's most well known for the the medium   is the message, which is a pretty hard thing even to just wrap your head around. But,   one of the   articles or whatever I was reading, they referenced a woman who had written, like, a 3 or 4 volume book, and it was just her studying the effects of television   when television was still a cathode ray tube. But she did this deep, serious   academic study, and pretty much the outcome was this shit's bad for you. Like, you can tolerate it, you could be around it, but in general,   it's has a net negative effect on people in general.  

And unfortunately, I think that that's true and it is I agree with Ben or whoever else said it that it is because it affects our spiritual level, the same as those girls we were speculating about. Why is it so hard   to understand the the whole conversation around that? Well, because we were so ingrained with the idea of this materialist realm   that we don't see   2 invisibly huge beautiful spiritual creatures that even have a body that's invisible   sharing   a damaged or malfunctioned unit, we see 2   machines, you know, like 2 coal mines trying to both run out of the same chute or something, and that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at the blended overlap of a lot more complex thing, and the physical body is a reality there, but it's not really the primary thing like we were trained. Even though most of us in this category would not think of it that way, we do consider these higher realms, but we still have that foundational underpinning that says,   oh, it's just a it's a flesh and blood body, so that means   blank, you know, but that's we don't really understand it as well as we'd like to think. Right?  



[02:40:43] Unknown:

Facts. You know, I've gotten into a lot of, Rudolf Steiner, and,   he had this prediction of,   of, like, he saw the earth with, like, this electric field around it, And it was like it was like it had been it was man made. It was an artificial field. And,   you know, like, when Alex Jones was on Joe Rogan, he was talking about the Breakaway   Society. I kinda feel like maybe that's what's happening is, like, we're supposed to be, like, moving up,   but they've created this,   you know, elect electrical field   to trap us in. And it's, you know, it started with, you know, the first telegram.   Right? And it's built up to now this.  

And I was thinking about it today because in the area I live, there's certain spots   where my phone will go out. And it's every time, it's the same spot for, like, a few seconds. And I'm thinking, like, what's really causing that?   You know, like, they don't have a tower, like,   you know, to cover that little strip   of, you know so it's like, is there something in the earth that's not allowing   that signal to hit me at that place?   I know you guys know a lot more about that kind of stuff, but yeah. It is. It's like it's like the movie They Live.   Right? It's like they had to knock out the signal,   you know, because the signal had everybody just in a trance,   You know? So it does seem that the more we can separate from it and   get back to nature,   there is something to that. It's like they've created,   an overlay.  

And our children are, like, screwed because,   you know, they're on social media, like 14 years old now. They're not even getting the chance to, like, play and socialize,   especially during the pandemic.   You know, it's like, it really seems like that's really what that was for, was to push us even deeper. The conditioning event. Exactly. Yeah. Push us deeper into the electronic age,   the digital age.   But, yeah, I kinda think I I'm just an optimist. I just I think they can't win, You know? I think that they'll keep trying and that if if anything, it'll have to reset.   And we'll go back to, you know, those of us that can't go underground,   we'll go back to a primitive state   and our instincts will kick in,   you know, and we'll be back in nature and   we'll rebuild it again and try again. But,  

[02:43:10] Unknown:

anyway, that's my little rant. Have you are you familiar with Susan Raven?   She references Steiner a lot in her book on elementals.   And so when you're talking about this field,   you know, we've we've talked multiple times on this show, and other shows talk about it too about how these people in power work with entities. Well,   they're probably also working with elementals   because that's that's the thing. And what what she describes and what Steiner is describing   is that   they're they're ever present,   and they're only in my opinion, they seem to be only negative   when they're forced into doing something they don't want to be doing. So let's say you design   a home in, like, brutalism style.  

Those spirits and entities are basically forced to participate in a style they might not find as much fun   as a mud hut that's been touched and molded by hand that you interacted with, and it was really fun to build.   You know, when you're in harmony, quote, unquote, with nature, what does that actually mean? It means that you and every level of consciousness   is in agreement. Hey. This is a great project. Let's do it. You know? So   you have all these   air spirits. Right? If you're going up and up and up and higher, you have all these air spirits, Sylphs,   who are being molded and forced,   and their communication is getting twisted and warped   at the same time,   that might make them a little angry. That's gonna mess up the kinds of messages that Earth is sending back because everything's in communication all the time. So if we're if we stand a chance doing anything, it is to get back in touch with God, with spirit, with nature,   with   every aspect of nature. It sounds like animism   to some.  

Right? Because you're like, now we have to go even more further backwards in our spirituality. We have to start seeing that consciousness is living in everything.   You see God in everything. But what most people think of when they say see God in everything, they see one   in everything.   But you're not seeing individual in everything. Right? That's not really   everything.   So that's what that made me think of. It's like, so if we're really gonna if we have a chance at fighting back,   then it is   you have to start teaching people at a young age. Hey. This is a living, breathing thing.   And and if you listen I mean, shoot. We were digging on our garden last year,   and I was, like, getting rambunctious with this vicious grass and heard this, like, stop.  

I was like, what? No way.   The onions or whatever else was out there was like,   stop right now. That you've gone too far. You're gonna start pulling up stuff that needs to stay here.  

[02:45:57] Unknown:

Those onions. Those onions.   Of course, in Walla Walla Valley, the onions are like, hey. Yes. We have rights here.   Like, listen. I need to have rights in this valley.   So remind yourself, you're new here. Don't forget that.  

[02:46:10] Unknown:

Right? They're like, this looks dead. This looks dead. They're like, weirdo.  

[02:46:15] Unknown:

Was it like Findhorn? Is that the right word for the big farm   in in Great Britain? Yeah. Findhorn is definitely like, some kind of an enclosure with people and all that stuff. Well, there's a the whole process, I think, was based on, the communication   with the elementals   and the to build these gardens. And there was a book, and I   I thought it, but I can't remember the author,   but she had this, like, experience very similarly where she   was in communication   with the   the spirits   of her land   and getting direction   from the animals and birds and the plants   to make her garden thrive   and overcome all of these different problems that happen, and she describes this whole process. I mean, it  

[02:47:04] Unknown:

seems very real to me. Yeah. I heard it. Well, I mean, it's a big part of Steiner's,   you know, biodynamic farming and everything. There's all kinds of ritual practice that are are you know, you can't really deny how beneficial and exceptional they are because if you've ever been to a biodynamic farm,   what they're doing restores and puts the land back in   to tune and rhythm with nature.   You could see it. If you've been around it, you it's just obvious. It's very obvious. And the quality of the things that you're getting are exceptionally better and different. And why? Because it's back to what we've been talking about. Because it's tapping into the spiritual element saying, okay. There's also a spiritual element to everything, and there's some piece of that that we can connect to,   and you go make peace with it. You know? Yeah. I bet Rachel didn't pull up all the onions.  

No. It's not.   Fuck you, onions. You're out of here, man. You're a victim. You're putting a big cement block right here. No. Yeah. You had to do that.   You wanna make a you live right next to the water too, so, of course, you don't wanna do that. Like, the water will be like, what? The land is being disrespected right here? Yeah. We'll see what happens next. Yeah.  

[02:48:09] Unknown:

You guys' opinions on this. It kinda goes back to maybe other   previous talk. So there's a there's another book that I have, and it and it's about this guy who,   he was part of, like,   I don't know, kinda like a missionary thing, and he went to South America and was living with the one of the last indigenous tribes in the jungles of Brazil.   And they were, like, untouched practically from modern life, you know, but then the church is trying to go in and do all this. So he was there supposedly as a missionary, but he lived with them and he became close with them. But this was a tribe, and and he was observing it in its most natural   kind of state. And this was a tribe that that did headhunting.  

And so the men the men of the tribe, they   had custom,   you know, that was agreed upon,   apparently, by all of the men who participated.   I don't know if you didn't agree, like, what happened to you,   But, basically, they would have, like, a gaming system almost of, like,   you it was you could go and you could attack on the other person's property,   and it would be a battle. And, you know, the winner got to, like, shrink the head and have it as a trophy.   And the whole community was fully,   like,   on board with this, and they had a lot of   they survived and and and thrived in many almost every way for many, many years, and they treated their women well and, you know, their children were taken care of.  

And that the men there it was almost like the Vikings   kind of, like,   courage to the end, and then you you go to Valhalla.   The men had this this idea that that they were real men, that they were the best men when they've had this courage and were were were not afraid. So my question is,   if we're talking about morality,   is that right or wrong? And, you know, and what the the missionary guy ended up feeling like was when the church went in,   totally, like, banned this practice and messed it up all of a sudden. Like,   there's homeless,   like, a lot of there was misery. Like, the people became miserable, and they're they lost their culture. They lost their communities. There was homelessness. There was   more poverty. The the rest of their social structure fell apart,   and there was, like, also what he thought was overpopulation.  

Like,   somehow, their practice kept their society in this balance that worked for them.   Does anyone have a right to go in and tell them that that's wrong?  

[02:50:54] Unknown:

Right. No. That's a great question and a really good example. I like that example,   Because it sounds like they found something that worked for them   in terms   of the warrior class and aggression   and dispute? Because that's always what comes up in any society, no matter how big or how small. I mean,   you have we're we were talking about 15 minute cities earlier, but what is its what is a tribe?   That's like a 2 second city. You know? Like,   that's some very close interpersonal   dynamics.   And so things do are gonna get intimate. Crap. It's the harvest season. Well, I'm really pissed off at, you know, Peggy over there. She got you know?   It's gonna happen.  

It's gonna  

[02:51:39] Unknown:

happen. You could agree to a duel. You Right? You could agree to that. You would you would all  

[02:51:53] Unknown:

And an outside society would look at it and be like, that is not how we agreed to do it.   Or any conquering   society is gonna be like, that is absolutely not how we're gonna do this.  

[02:52:05] Unknown:

So what if someone doesn't agree and they're like, I'm not gonna to fight. I'm not gonna do a duel.   Can they voluntarily   opt out and maybe   you know, it seems like   that should be okay too, but maybe then there has to be another way to solve that.  

[02:52:22] Unknown:

And a lot of in some northern traditions, I don't wanna say a lot, but in some northern traditions, it wasn't unpopular to have a champion step in or have a stand in. You know? And there were there were multiple reasons, you know, why you might wanna do that.   There were probably, you know, strict rules on when you could do that, who it could be, who it could not be   because you don't wanna cause further dispute. Well, I picked that guy to be my stand. And what if you really wanna see him dead? It's probably not. You know? You have to really   think about all that stuff.  

So it really would be very subjective, and it would probably depend on the society itself.   And every society is gonna be different   because of their climate   and where they are in the world, the different challenges that they face.  

[02:53:12] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:53:13] Unknown:

That's how I see it.  

[02:53:15] Unknown:

But then, like, John was saying before, like, some people choose to have a form of government that it's only right, I guess,   that if you don't want that   and that that we can have our anarchic society   and not be subjected to,   you   know, coercion or violence. Right? In in in today's world,   I can't   disconnect.   You know?  

[02:53:41] Unknown:

Mhmm. That's the hardest part about it. Yeah. It's probably in earlier societies, it was probably easy, like, well, okay then. Pack your stuff. Bye.   You know, you there's plenty of space to go to. Go away. You know? Start your own thing if you don't like it. But here, it's it's a lot harder. It's a lot harder. I was thinking about that earlier today at our drive. It's like, wow. Thinking of stories of people who   really tried and having the government come in and bully them.   You know, there's stories about farmers and their families just getting completely murdered.   Yeah. For one reason or another. You know, we don't really know. I don't know the whole story between, you know, all of that stuff. So I can't say who's right or wrong on that, but I don't think it's right.  

You know, there's probably other ways they could have solved whatever the issue was.   So,   you know, that's a risk. You know, homesteading is a trend. If you look online on social media, everybody   that I see, at least I've tapped into the algorithm with people like, we're starting our own homestead.   Use this much of your backyard if you have to. Like, it's   it's something people want to do is be more self sufficient,   and it's encouraged. It's gonna be a moneymaker. I was laughing with Jim on this meme.   Somebody was saying it's like, well,   you know, maybe your wife's not into hair and nails, but careful if she finds gardening.  

Yeah. What is that? You know?   But it's like, oh, yeah. Just The ducks. Go get some ducks or something. Like A lot of the jokes about,  

[02:55:13] Unknown:

it trending are there is some truth to it, you know, that, like, you could spend it's easy to go to Fred Meyer and spend enough money to plant a beautiful garden   to not harvest even and recoup the money that you and time that you spent. You know? So then are you just hobbying? You know, you just like the taste and the look of your small batch of tomatoes or whatever it is versus   in a urban or any even suburban environment. Like, to try to produce any meaningful amount of food to add to your bottom line is a terrific amount of work,   And there's no guarantees   and you're gonna end up eating a lot of one crop, whatever's gonna grow the best where you're at. And so   it's not it's not what people think, you know.  

No. Because the the thing that we should have, the ability to trade and interact with each other. Now if you get involved with the whole community of people and you really work to make it work, there's a big beautiful community garden not far from my house, and it looks like it's been there some number of years. So, obviously, they've done it. They've underpinned it with infrastructure, and they have a whole bunch of people. So whatever they're growing, if they don't have enough, they need some kinda supplement. They they got a place to get fertilizer or whatever, all that kind of stuff. But if it's just you and a small group of people doing it, few people, it could be very challenging. I'm looking at my garden excited as hell and I'll also like, oh my gosh. We have so many.   Like, we have, you know, it's a big lot that we live on for for being just in a   a suburban neighborhood,   and we have huge plans,   but it's gonna take a terrific amount of effort. Like, I really wish I could've sprayed my apple trees today, and I didn't. You know? Not that I even wanna spray them, but every year I get bugs. I gotta do something so I can actually harvest and use the apples. You know?  



[02:56:54] Unknown:

This is, this is reminding me of,   toke Tocqueville.   When Tocqueville came to America,   I think it was, like, the 1800   that he or it might have been late 1700.   But he,   he predicted that the individualism   of America would lead to tyranny.   And that the reason was   they would   America would be become so individualistic   that,   the social bonds would slowly break down.   So old, like, you know, you used to have old, like, tribal bonds and community bonds. The more and more technology developed, the more and more they had the nuclear family   that, you know, over time, the social bonds would break down, and then people would fear each other,   and then they would give their power over to   the the government  

[02:57:49] Unknown:

to protect them. To those damn police we were talking about earlier. Or maybe you weren't here, John.  

[02:57:55] Unknown:

It's totally, like I mean, that's completely happening. And he made a distinction between the word individuality   and individualism.   And that individuality   actually implies that there's a a community or a group. You you're an individual amongst other individuals   where individualism   is very   self centered   and just worried about yourself.   And, I mean, I know in my own family, like, when my grandma died,   I don't ever see my cousins anymore, you know, and, like, and, yeah, everything just keeps getting less and less. So,   again, with, you know, the bright side of the pandemic,   people in my community got together and formed groups and,   you know, like, kinda networking   about, like like, homesteading and, you know, supporting each other. So, you know, we're in, like, a suburban area, so we're not, you know, really rural at all. So it's kinda like you're trying to survive in both worlds,   and you're kinda waiting to see when the next shoe drops and how much you're gonna have to exit   and build something new.  

But I do think it's kind of,   kinda shows you a turn   back to nature,   back to being involved in your community,   back to talking to your neighbors.   And so I think that can be a positive thing.  

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Mhmm.   I think the biggest the biggest crime   that's happened against people   is housing.   Because, you know, we're talking about the time it takes to do these to do all this work.   How are you going to pay   for housing?   You you can't work 40 plus hours   and garden.   That's rough. A lot of and a lot of people know that. They'll look at it, and they just wishfully scroll. They're like, I wish I wish I wish I could do that. I wish I could do that. And they have to plant in pots   or find hydro or do something   because   they they cannot.   The rent is too damn high, and that's that's the biggest crime.  



[03:00:03] Unknown:

It drives up all the prices. Yeah. That's real talk, Rachel. For sure. Fuck, yeah. That's why I think with that, the biggest,   You know?  

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Yeah. Big stare.  

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I think with that, the biggest technology crime was probably our food system because so much of what was just said, including a lot of what John just said,   is based around our food systems. So before this,   to eat a meal,   meals were something that took a lot of work and time to prepare and throwing something in a microwave wasn't available.   All these boxed foods you made in 5 minutes weren't available.   And if you didn't show up for, the meal time, you didn't get no fucking meal. You were asked the fuck out because whatever got made, that got divided amongst however many people. Right?   And so that forced a a community, and then you had to sit there and sit across from each other and commune with each other, break bread. That's such a huge deal   historically for a society. And even today, when somebody's broken bread with you, that's a different deal than somebody you've never met.  

Entirely different deal. If you sat in my house at my table, I am definitely viewing you on a higher level   than anybody that I did not do that with.   Just out of fact because I already have a actual real world feel for you. We've made a exchange, a symbiosis with each other,   and so I'm not gonna have that with anybody else that didn't do that specific activity.   And then   the harvest and the planting and the whatnot,   and the trade,   all these things forced that community. And now you can go to the grocery store   and and you can throw some in a microwave, and you can eat for 1 individual   and things like that. Like preparing   from scratch meal for 1 individual is weird.  

That's   hard. And honestly and, you know, and I just wanna say that this has been an absolutely wonderful conversation all around tonight. Just just loved it all night.  

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I really like what you just said, you know, about   now a person can can go to the store and get something and come home and eat it and never and barely interact at all. They might not talk to another person that entire time.   And, you know, when when my work, you know, the biggest complaint   the biggest   hardship that people face is loneliness.   And that loneliness is such a deep thing   that, you know, that   this   deterioration   of the community,   of that social   interdependency,   the the what it really takes to live together   is if we don't have that, we're losing all these skills, and we're losing, I think, the real   like, the thing that fulfills us as humans.  



[03:03:07] Unknown:

With AI coming down our throats these days, holy smokes. Yeah. And then there's all this addiction,  

[03:03:13] Unknown:

and AI is kind of an part of the addiction, I think. You know?  

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So my question for everybody on this then is how much is this a self imposed thing? Because everything being said, if you go out to small town rural America,   small town rural America used to be thriving, and there isn't a there isn't a little,   small town rural America that's not a ghost town anymore.   You can go to any fucking,   like, South Dakota, Nebraska,   Northern California.   This shithole town I live outside of that only has a post office and that's it. And that's for like 3 hours a day. And you're and it's some real weird postal shit, like, some shenanigans happened down there.   Anyways,   that town used to be thriving. It had a couple bars. It had a restaurant. It had a, you know, general store.  

And you can hear that story repeated   in a 1,000,000 towns in small town America. Now on the same token,   in those towns in small town America, and I believe it was Jim that might have been telling me about this guy that drives around to these areas, and he gets to these little shitty areas. And he's like, oh, look. Here's a property. Here's a house. It's only $20,000.   Look. It's got a giant yard. Look. Opens up the paper. Oh, look. Here's a here's a jobs. Blah blah blah,   I can't grow a garden in my apartment.   Is that because you refuse to go live in Podunk America   where it is affordable   and then getting a job, you want the big city and you want the cheapness of Podunk America.  

Is that the real problem?  

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It's a good question.  

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Hey. This is We should start,  

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killing people like headhunters   because,   you know, in in a in a family,   families   I mean, a village was like a family. So if you get in an argument with somebody, you've gotta either make up   or kill somebody.   The families now, you get in a fight with somebody   and they just never talk to each other again.   It's just a divide and it never gets better, never gets breached.   You know?  

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People are so conflict avoidant.  

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Right? And we didn't have can't be. Exactly. Didn't used to have the opportunity for   neutral, passive, aggressive behavior like we do now. You know? Even if we were all stuck in a one floor of an apartment complex where we even had food and water that had last a month, we'd have to learn to all get along on a different level real fast because we got scarce resources and forced interaction,   and that's not really that much different than the way that we used to I mean, there's a reason the houses used to be huge because you'd have 2 or 3 minimum generations,   sometimes 5 generations living without building another building. You know? Finally, you get to 10 generations and say, hey. We gotta build another building or what Jim said is gonna happen. Somebody's gonna die inside of here.  



[03:06:21] Unknown:

Yeah. I would say, Ben, I'd say the answer is yes. It's completely self imposed. I mean, I think we've been conditioned into it. But at this point, for people like us, if we're aware of it, we should be making moves to   get back to some kind of community,   knowing that you have a network of people to support you at the very least. I can't move yet. You know, I've got kids that are we're kind of, you know, blended family. We're kind of, you know, stuck here for a few years.   But   once, you know, once my stepson graduates,   we're ready to go somewhere else, you know, out of the Bay Area. You know, I was living in an apartment,   in, you know, outside of San Francisco, like, 45 minutes East Bay. And,   we were in a 2 bedroom apartment   with   5 people,   me, my wife,   3 kids. The kids had a a bedroom each.  

Me and my wife and the baby slept slept in the living room. And, like, you know, we did it for 6 years. Right? But what was interesting was   after the pandemic,   all these people started moving in. They were all, like, like Mexican people, you know. No. Nothing against Mexican people. They would all work at the restaurants in the downtown area, and then they'd walk home. But there were, like, 5, 6 people living in an apartment together.   You know? And and their culture doesn't say there's something wrong about that. But my mother, who's getting older in age, who should move in   with me or my sister,   doesn't want to   for some reason,   you know. And I think it's that individualism.  

Like, she wants to have, you know, have her privacy and, like, have her TV and have her comfort and not be bothered. But at some point,   you're gonna, you know, you're gonna have to. Why wouldn't you just do it now? We could all rent a house,   but, like, I could go ask my mom that. And she's just like, nope.  

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Nope. Alright. So do you think do you think that that's genetic?   Because   if you look historically, even even motherfucking,   shit. What's his name? The Roman historian,  

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Tacitus. Tacitus. Tacitus. Tacitus.  

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When he comes upon the Germanic people, he's like, I don't think these people even like each other. Like, they don't fucking talk to each other. Like, they they only meet, like, once a week. They don't talk to each other. I don't think they even like each other. And then you get in. I there was something I also this was something I noticed when I was 18 because I was working with my,   my father-in-law,   not anymore, but then. And he had a construction company, and there's 6 of us white guys. And we're in this big ass Winnebago and there's 5 beds. And we are fucking near fist fighting. I mean, damn near fist fighting over who has to be the 2 dudes sharing a bed. And   freaking, I get up in the morning and I start stretching out and I'm sitting there and I'm, you know, rolling myself. And   and this truck next to me,   about freaking 8 Mexicans were come rolling out of the bed of this truck with just a camper shell on it. And I'm like   and they're happy as clamps. I'm like,   what the fuck?  

How does that pan out? They're just happy as hell, just like all just great. We were, like I said, literally almost fist fighting. Like, it it was me and Glenn because I was the youngest and that Glenn was the other youngest, so obviously, it fell on us too to share the bed. And I was the the newest, and Glenn's like, you're the newest. You're taking the floor. And I was like, no. I'm the newest. I'm sharing the bed with you and you could sleep on the fucking floor if you wanna.   Make that happen, bro.   Like yeah. And and yeah. Yeah. Anyways,   yeah. Mexicans, there's, like, they're all sleeping in the bed of a shitty truck.  

Like,   are you kidding me?  

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And happy about it. It's definitely cultural. I don't know about the medic.  

[03:10:21] Unknown:

Yeah. The camaraderie. Could be. But at this point where we're so culturally mixed   is what really gets me. So there should be almost like this third culture   that has evolved out of the situation,   but you still see white people acting like that. White people are super standoffish,   super you know, like, when I went in high when I was in high school,   it it was a thing. You know, there was always jokes about, like, if you, if you,   take a if you bite a bean, you get the whole burrito.   And if you, you know, like the whole and then the same thing with black people. But if you fight a white guy, every other white dude around will go, oh, wow. That dude's getting the shit beat out of him.   Like, you feel zero obligation to go over there and help that other dude just because he's white also. But alright.  



[03:11:15] Unknown:

We're not on a team. You're just white. No. It's curious it's curious to explain why all of that's true. Right? It's definitely some of it cultural   and,   you know, to what degree we could define whether or not it exists in the DNA or or,   whatever is a fascinating idea, but I think it would take years and lots of data before we could say we had an emergent set   that said, yeah. Okay. Maybe we got something. But the cultural part of it has always tripped me out. In the Walla Walla Valley, there's lots of, migrant and immigrant   farm workers, and it's really become so that they don't migrate anymore. You know? Way back in the day, when I used to first live in the Walla Walla Valley, they would still travel back and forth from Mexico to the valley. And then when money,   and other resources were easier to transfer,   back and forth, then they would hunker down and wait for the season to come back. But they were always able to live in close proximity in a way that fascinated me. I've always wanted to learn how to do it. Like, what's the inside scoop? I mean, is this since you're used to it, since you're immersed in it like water,   obviously, it's some part of at least some section of their culture is like, yeah, we could totally kick it. We could get it to maybe terminate and pause 12 people in there if we need to. Right? And make it work somehow. Whereas   I can't have them. Like, I really can't. I mean, I could try my best to be polite and help manage or whatever, but I really wouldn't know what to do.  

You know? Like, there's one bathroom. There's 12 people.   Alright. What? I mean, well, I mean, obviously, we're setting up some kind of makeshift bathroom or something because there's or  

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I don't know. You're gonna you're gonna need government for that.  

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Right. Exactly. Yeah. That's it. Now this would be a great YouTube channel where we just do. So I good communication?  

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How about measured conversation?  

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I've you know? For me, that's the way it would have to work. Right? But The desapsibility  

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And the the list  

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Well, I I'd like to hear Derek's thoughts on this since he's in the south of France, and he said it was a little more tightly knit families. But I think this is a really good point to your original question.   And really quick,   I I wanna come back to it because I have a thought on, you know, what kind of technologies we're cool with because that's also a big part of it. You know, you could have somebody living in a small town and then be like,  

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I'm looking out.  

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But yeah. So yeah. I'd like to hear Derek's thoughts on this too before I dive into that.  

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Is it a 10 yard on too? Yeah. Thanks, Rachel. And,  

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yeah, I appreciate your thoughts as well. Those are really profound, by the way. That was really cool what you said earlier.   And,   it's, you know, it's not just, you know,   super generalization.   I mean, like, Leslie and I were talking about   stereotypes on a previous recording earlier today   with the Native American   and,   like,   in the same token with France, you know, not everyone's, you know,   holding baguettes with berets and all that stuff. And there's a lot of different   I wouldn't say divisions, but, you know, regions that, you know,   really   identify with, you know, a specific, you know, culture within the   umbrella or overarching, you know, country of France.  

You know, there's even, you know, the extreme, like, the the Basque region. I don't know if you guys have heard of that, which, you know you know, transcends into   I would say trans you know, it shares territory with Spain and France. But,   yeah, out here in in the south,   I noticed, you know, positive and negative sides to the fact that,   you know, the whole family dynamic and how it can be really   inviting and enticing yet a little bit binding.   Because, yeah, they the whole family thing, if it's super closely tight knit,   I've noticed that people   seem a little limited as to, you know,   how they wanna express themselves or live their lives because it's kinda   dictated towards certain   family standards or, you know, they don't wanna   ruffle feathers of, you know, family members or yada yada. Right?  

So I've noticed certain cycles that are have been kinda stagnating   throughout the generations and just kinda going through the humdrum type of thing. No one's really leveling the fuck up   and all this stuff. And with the whole draconian   lockdown equations that are just tightly screwing their fucking   bolts   and whatever the fuck throughout the whole fabric of society. You know, they   inverted   web   that's being woven.   Right?   That's really fucked up. And   I wanted to mention something real quick with the whole   things are being diverse and all this stuff, and   I'm totally lost on the context of where you guys are going because, you know, y'all were talking about a lot of good good things, but   the whole   the whole diversity   things   and, people virtue signaling, and we got a piece to whatever the fuck now and token   signal, whatever the hell.  

Especially y'all seen it in Hollywood and in mainstream media and all   this jazz. And,   with the whole Zoomer   TikTok   talkification   and whatever   emoji   abbreviation of language now. And, like, everyone's   these young kids are saying, like, oh, that's so fucking meta, and this and that. But why aren't they actually, like,   metaphysically   and all this stuff, metaphyspiritually   and whatever the hell augmenting all the fucking technology that they have on this fucking black screen that they hold in their hands every fucking day, almost 24 or fucking 7,   yet they're not really able to pierce through   even the first fucking veil of   geopolitical   fucking, you know, awareness and all this stuff, and people wanna act all fucking woke.  

And   when   things in, you know, states of awareness that are awakened   to higher   states, but they they get brought down and kinda abbreviated   and considered a 4 letter word, that's when things become a little bit absurd. So, yeah, it's great to be congregating with, you know, conscious cast like y'all to really just keep shit fucking real and not   not appeal to the fucking bullshit. But, anyways  

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You're on it. You're on it. And, honestly, it's really easy to get lost to the weeds in here, so you're doing great.   That goes it goes back to the original point. You know, why aren't people moving to these cheap areas? Because they don't even know how to communicate with each other. How are they gonna   even function out there?   They're gonna sit in one house and send each other I mean, look, I love sending each other memes from across the room. It's hilarious.   But you're gonna do it. That's what that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna sit in their own homes, in their own basements,   you know, in the middle of the beautiful woods.  

Max each other beeps.  

[03:18:42] Unknown:

Now that would be the real boot camp. Right? The compassionate,   enlightening boot camp instead of screaming and yelling in your face and make you carry logs on the beach. It's like, look, we're gonna show you how to wake up early when you don't feel like it and go downstairs and politely get a bowl of fucking oatmeal from grandma for breakfast and get to work. You know, and you're gonna pull that off. You're not gonna have a phone, you're not gonna have an argument, you're not gonna feel weird. We're gonna walk you right through it. And even if you have extraneous,   problems, like maybe you got the ADHD or you're pretty autistic or whatever it is, it doesn't matter. We're gonna deal with that no matter what. You know, whether you're bipolar, you're fine, doesn't matter. We're gonna get this done, you know. And don't worry, we're gonna keep trying until we nail it. Because if we miss, that's okay. You are you know, this is a this is a training. So you are allowed to go to your safe space and decompress and be like, fuck. That sucked. That didn't it didn't work out for me. We're gonna try again. You know, we're gonna get up at 6:30, we're gonna eat the oatmeal, we're gonna go out in the field or whatever.  



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And if the community   operates that way, then the kids will more likely   go with the program. But I think   what happens now is families in there may try to impose something, but then kids, if they're exposed to all the social media and they're going to school,  

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they're totally derailed. And then They have a place to retreat.  

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The stuff they're watching on TV is all about, like   like, you don't need parents. You know, the parents are stupid.   You know, the kids run rogue. You know, there's a lot of programming going on, and and so that  

[03:20:09] Unknown:

it becomes a conflict. It's really hard. In in fact, it's even worse. It's like one step further. The kids are typically smarter   than the parents and no better than the parents, and the parents are stupid, and they were fucking it up. And and they just listened to the kids. Everything would have worked out.   Alright.  

[03:20:27] Unknown:

This might be the point where we mentioned the Nickelodeon   experiments. There's this channel that starts to provide entertainment for children.   Now we're starting to see that that sort of workplace environment   without having   proper   moral   authority   from the top   down   created a situation where it was the kids were   with other kids   acting like kids,   but then because there's contracts signed and there's workforce   laws that were being   pushed towards finding the boundaries to explore them. Now there's documentaries coming out about, well, what actually happened when these kids   were told they could make their own TV show,   and that's where, you know, you get Ross Perot. You got kids who don't know about politics   playing politicians to make jokes they don't understand.  

And now that these these   actors, these child actors   have been away from that. They're reflecting upon their past, and they're really saying, you know, I wish I would have had   more   community leaders   in support of education   from a moral position   to let me know what is   acceptable   humor and what is an exploit of humor   that is   not beneficial   to society.   And if we had we had the discussion, well, there's Disney Channel and there's Nickelodeon,   and then even with Disney, they introduced a lot of occult and magical topics. Those are   probably more adult topics   under the guise of an animation   and then showing it to children   who are not quite   grounded in reality first. So if the children aren't grounded in reality with where does food come from, what are chores, who needs to tie my shoes, who's gonna fix the toilet if I clog it? Well, I guess   I don't know. Are we gonna pay for a plumber each time   to be self sufficient?  

So the children   without the proper   upbringing   left to their own devices   in the age of, the chronic conqueror child now, and Crowley's book of the law was   received or written down, you know, a 100 years ago.   And now we're at this point where we're seeing   how that turns out in the fruit   that grows on those trees.   And now that's a huge   advantage to say we have all of this anecdotal evidence. We have these stories. We have these studies. We have this information.   Now we are empowered to take that and do something with it. So if it is, go find a affordable place to live and start your life. There's a lot of people doing that. The question was, well, why aren't we hearing about it?   Probably because the wisest thing to do is to not broadcast   what your plans are.  

Mhmm. If we're under a war on all levels,   then to to tell your plans to enemies and people who are gonna tell you to not do that thing, and here's all the reasons it's gonna go wrong, and all the people that wanna sabotage   everybody else   so no one can exceed. That's that's this government of mediocrity where it's enforced   mediocrity   where no one can succeed.   No one can fail because we're gonna raise them up, so everyone is just   suffering   through this endless   sort of everybody gets   the same and equal treatment, and then no one is able to explore what their true gifts and talents and abilities are.  

[03:24:21] Unknown:

Yeah. That's a great point.   And I'm glad you brought that the documentary up and   really the technology of it. Because that was my question. You know, we're talking about going   rural,   then then what technologies do we want to have it? Is it much easier to   self monitor when you're farther away from the city? What is it about the city   that is so appealing?   A big part of that is self expression.   Right? See me, see me world. Look at me world. Now a bunch of people can see me. I mean, that was that's the theme is   like, I mean, half of Pride and Prejudice   is being seen. You have all these girls.  

Some of them are not old enough to be in society. Why is that?   Why are they not old enough to be seen? Well, because they're silly.   Because they're still children.   Because they can't handle society yet. Because they're gonna look and be like, I want that. I want that. I want that. I want that.   And forget what they have.   You know, so what is it that makes   certain tribes want to stay there, first of all, and not go anywhere? You know, there's like, Oh, look at all these tribes who are so untouched. Why aren't they leaving?   What are they so happy about?  

And what technologies it's so interesting to me to see certain African tribes who are like, Yeah, we've got cell phones, but they still live in certain you know, they still limit their technology.   So what about the technology? Are they like,   okay, this is acceptable, but here are the rules about it. Like, I don't know how many of you guys have seen The Gods Must Be Crazy, but that's it's a great movie.   But yeah. So   great point. Thank you for Fascinating.  

[03:26:05] Unknown:

Yeah. Real quick. Rachel,   I've noticed that,   in Europe in general, not just in France, but, you know,   like, people are so centralized towards at least, you know, like, you know, gravitating   towards the   capital cities because that's where all the   the jobs are at, the education, epic centers of all these things. And so,   you know, like, the majority of people, I would   yes. It's hard to generalize, but, you know, more times than not, at least, you know, when I speak with,   spoken with thousands of people from France   at working, you know, for   12 years as a bartender and server restaurants.  

They will pass through Paris, at least, you know, sometime in their life, whether it be through work, education, and all these things. And so those are those major cities, and there's, like, 12,000,000   people around that one city.   12,000,000,   and, like,   it could be the same, you know, you know, descaled or upscaled, you know, from   country to country within   at least Western Europe. And Eastern Europe, sometimes it can be even more starkly   that much more of, you know having to rely on these, you know big giant, you know mega cities. I wouldn't say mega cities, but you know   it's just how things have been curtailed   towards and   it sucks that you know, Benjamin you were talking about how jobs were getting   you know diminutive   from you know these rural   places that were thriving   or maybe it was you SB earlier, but yeah Allen at the same time, I don't wanna   forget and really What are your spiders? Great points, by the way. You know.  



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You know, I think of the city, and when I think about what do I like about it, I like the art. I like the variety,   the diversity, the stimulation,   the newness.   You know, there's you know, because I think people struggle for them   and the sameness. I don't think that that that,   I think there's something about our our minds that wanna be stimulated and expand and grow.   And, you know, if we're around this I think about it. Like, small town, to me,   hasn't always appealed to me because, one, everybody knows your your business,   and I like privacy. I don't want everybody to know my business.  

And if you break up with somebody, everybody knows. They whisper behind you you know, gossip and all that. Right? There's a lot of   things that are hard, and then we get bored. You know? A lot of peep kids that live out in, like, I don't know, if you live in Amarillo, Texas and there's no trees,   like, I think they're all drinking,   you know, in small towns. You know, I hear, you know, people are that so that's but it doesn't have to be like that. Right?   A healthy small community could have a thriving   market, a trading center.   Right? Because it's like our creative   expression   needs sort of exchange,   and   and there's something that is grows us, our minds, you know, just like this coming on here and   all of us sharing ideas and talking. It's like expanding   our minds to something bigger than what one person can do on their own.  

Yeah. I like that.  

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That's a good technology right there, that one.   Yeah. It's I was gonna say,   all the technologies I was thinking that that I appreciate,   they all apply to this world, the world that we're living in now. So I think Uber,   me as an Uber driver, is a great technology   for me to be able to, like, just go make money on my own and not have to worry about having a boss. And just, like, how good the system works is just impressive to me. Like, the fact that it can link me up with somebody and I can say, I'm in San Francisco. I wanna get back home. And it'll connect me with people on the way home. Like, that's pretty impressive, I think. But again, that applies to   living in the city. Right? Mhmm.  

And then I think, like, YouTube and, like, audiobooks,   I know that I've taken in so much more information in the last 10, 15 years than I ever did. And I know I should read more,   but it's so easy to put on an audiobook.  

[03:30:40] Unknown:

Goddamn. I gotta I gotta tell you though. Yeah. I I 100% agree on YouTube even from an off group perspective.   And you can't replace   I can read a 100 books and not get what I get out of watching 2 or 3 videos where I find some other farm ass that's like me. And he's like, yeah. I had this prom.   And then I watch him do it, and I'm like,   so Yeah.   Yeah.  

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He was like, oh, yeah. Yeah.   Wow.  

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The last one I wanted to say, which is the same one, YouTube.   I I let, you know, my both of my kids I my daughter's 18, and I have a son that's 6. And I pretty much I worked in childcare, so they are they're always with me. But I let them watch, like, alphabet videos and math videos, and I think that's   a huge leap in technology. But again, it kind of applies to this intellectual world that we live in. And if you were living on a farm,   you wouldn't necessarily   need all of that information.   But,   yeah. I do think that, like, listening to things on audio and getting things into your subconscious, like, that's probably a good use of technology, but, obviously, you wanna make sure it's a it's a moral message.  

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I like the idea of taking technology   to then   take action   with your own hands, like you were talking about, Ben, like learning something.   But if you only learn and you're only taking in and taking in but you're never putting out, then there's this imbalance.   And I think that   when people rely too much on technology, then they're not actually learning the skills. And I think that from from, like,   doing farm work,   like interacting with animals, observing nature, solving problems,   building things like carpenters, I think   you learn   about things   that you can't learn anywhere else,   about life and about how the world works   and about the, you know,   sign you know, laws of nature.  



[03:32:52] Unknown:

You know, something honest. Right? Especially since the dawning of the rona.   The Amish people.  

[03:32:59] Unknown:

Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. John,  

[03:33:02] Unknown:

you've had some, you know, quite educational   pieces yourself for the young ones just in, you know, on Freedom Under National Law. 1 of the your presentations, I believe, was the 2nd conference you guys had talking about the Trivium for, you know,   under adolescent folks. So that was really cool. But, yeah, what's up with the old school Sesame Street, you know, types of way of, you know, reaching to the youth and, you know, having a really cool interactive   edutainment   style of approaching   certain   complex concepts, but breaking it down where   they can have   easily   applicable   way of, you know,   seeing these things and applying them and integrating them, you know, in a sense.  



[03:33:49] Unknown:

Yeah. I think,  

[03:33:51] Unknown:

Yeah. We for the conference, we were just doing, like, 20 minute, half hour presentation. So I did one which was, like, sort of like mister Rogers for,   you know, for, like, teaching the trivia to kids. And,   and I made it like a news show, and then, you know, had little, like, puppets and stuff like that. But,   yeah. I mean, I think those things are cool. And I think that that's something that is missing in public education is just like life skills,   You know, and then, yeah, like the trivium, quadrivium.   If you could introduce that, like, on an online platform,   that could be a useful a useful thing for children, you know. But how many of them are gonna watch it? You know what I mean? I mean, that that's all depending on, you know, how much you promote it or how much you put it out there. But, yeah, it was kind of a pilot episode. And I've thought about   I've thought about doing more, but I haven't haven't really yet. But I am working back at a at a childcare center. So I am trying to incorporate,   really just like virtues,   you know, or you could call them life skills.  

And,   that I do think that's something that   kinda goes missing in the, public education.  

[03:35:03] Unknown:

Yeah.   So I and the problem with that is is that we've pawned off our,   childcare responsibility   just like we pawned off our,   food responsibility.   Like, basically, all the things that are truly important in our life, we farm that work out somebody else.   And   that that's a real problem.   And the thing that is interesting is I believe I'm the oldest one here.   And I no.   And,   I   we   all still grew up. I'm latchkey kid generation.   You know?   The boomer generation and above,   the generation that started getting and what it for me, it boils down to his luxuries,   comforts.  

And the ones if you talk to them, some of these people that, you know,   when they got a washing machine,   when they got,   a car that functioned   that was worth a shit,   when they quit having to do work to do things, they thought that that was great.   And for a short duration,   you know, we were as a   as a society very happy   about these,   advances   that we were getting.   So   it was real easy to sell that down the road, and I think it's,   also important to note that they had when they sold it down the road,   the the food, like, the supermarket food that they sold it down the road for was not what we're getting.   You take,   sanitariness.  

A lot of people won't use my products, you know, of the general public   because there's concerns about E. Coli or there's concerns about mold, there's concerns about and you bet your ass those things happen.   I sterilized my milk, so my milk isn't bad, but now my milk's also dead.   And so when I put it in there and that's why it's not going bad is because I've killed everything in the milk. And now when I put it in my body, I'm not putting a live thing in my body. I'm putting a dead thing in my body. I'm eating of death instead of of life and trying to fulfill my life energy with death.   Like, that doesn't even fucking make sense on the fucking face of it.  

And so, you know, that that but   that's what we had to do in order to   disconnect ourselves and give ourselves that comfort. And we have absolutely   did a cat fart or is that dumb shit?  

[03:38:19] Unknown:

That's not Pasteurization,   man. What the hell? You know it's gotta be bad   if it interrupted Ben   to that. No. Whatever the smell is has to be significant.  

[03:38:30] Unknown:

It is bad. Like, once a day, birds   so birds have a couple of different digestive systems, and they have one for stuff that they couldn't quite digest.   And,   but they're going to eventually digest.   So they'll it goes into a fermenty gut.   And once a day that thing unloads,   and when they poop, it's just one poop a day, and when it happens, oh.  

[03:38:56] Unknown:

Wow. I'm like, you don't got no birds living in the house, do you? It's  

[03:39:00] Unknown:

tough. Yeah. There's a ticket time bombs? Full of ducks here behind me. I I I don't   know. Like,   and ducks are just Dumb question, John. Dumb question. Yeah. It is that you know what? Chris? We were at the damn feed store,  

[03:39:15] Unknown:

and Chris is, like, in the spring, and you're asking if there's any new live animals.  

[03:39:19] Unknown:

Yeah. My husband disappears for half an hour, and I walk in there, and then there's a area of ducks. And you bet there he is just mesmerized.   I know.  

[03:39:30] Unknown:

They're cute. They're cute. I stopped to look at them, but the guy was like, do you want some? I'm like, of course, I do. Yes.   But not right now.   Yeah. Exactly. I have some.  

[03:39:42] Unknown:

The answer is always yes, which doesn't mean I will take some. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Would like  

[03:39:49] Unknown:

some. So how you live like a king? Questions to be effective. Are you going to buy any right now? No. No. I'm not. Do I want some? Yeah. Ask these questions, and then I'll be forced to tell you. Yeah.   Is that how you live with a kid growing your own meal off? Free. We're gonna have to take it if that is the case. Right. We'll figure it out. I'll start calling people here. We will find Doug's home if they're Not only my own pillows, I'm gonna have the Highlander tape motherfuckers.  

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So that way I fuck it at. You know what I'm saying? Regal is shit.  

[03:40:20] Unknown:

Hey, Alan, I wanted to comment about that movie,   that documentary.   It seems like everything is sort of like a PR   move.   Like with that that documentary,   even though it was kinda focused on Dan Schneider, it kinda made him look not that bad   in the end. You know? And it   it never got into, like, you know, the the owners of the company. It's like everyone always has a way to, like, pawn it off on someone else. And then it's like they're doing something,   You know? But then there seems like there's also an agenda behind it, whether it's, like, promoting, you know, child sexuality or whatever. It's like normalizing it.   Because I used to remember that show, All That, and I was a little bit older when it came out. And I always thought it was just dumb. Like, this is just not even funny. I never realized how much sexual innuendo   was involved in it. So that was that was pretty eye opening.  



[03:41:18] Unknown:

Right. And everyone remembers.  

[03:41:21] Unknown:

Wow. When you go back as an adult and look, you're like,   our parents let us watch this? Jesus. What the fuck?  

[03:41:29] Unknown:

No. That's how humor changes. Body changes reflect humor changes in the young people, and now they're now they have a new topic to joke about. There's people who haven't gone through that, so they don't understand the humor. So then it's like, is the joke at the expense of someone   else?   Sometimes it seems to be that way. And with the the release of this documentary saying that   all of the your your entire childhood is now ruined,   So now you have to view your childhood   through adult eyes.   And, also,   well, we have to put out new shows, and we have to have new   guidelines   for   script writing and the the diversity requirements, all these things. So now they're replacing   the past with something new, which keeps people   involved and invested in the system. So it's like, well, we know that was terrible, but your dream of being an actor   is is still allowed because we need to write new stories. We need to remake movies. We need to make small adjustments   over time to all these moral fables, Aesop's fables,   grim fairy tales, all these things. So we can take a mermaid who's, you know, from over here and then say she was born in this different place to to change that   thing. And it's like, well,   they're not really creating anything new. They're taking the constituent parts of things that they've already owned,   and then they tried to to to do something different with it. And I think our conversation tonight is not to say   that   now that we're in the future, because it's 2024 and that's a big number, and we're we've passed the millennium, we've passed the apocalypse, we've passed the Armageddon. Now we're in the future, so now we have to reinvent everything   to do futuristic things in futuristic ways. I think we're finding that   the old wisdom of the old ways were just fine.  

The kids went off and wanted to do their own thing to rebel a little bit to to see   what things worked and what didn't work.   And if they have the and maybe it's an ego thing where they don't wanna return to because their parents told them   how to do something.   If it's an ego thing that gets in the way, if that's the reason why people don't wanna go live   in a smaller town, not on social media, not having everybody looking at them because nothing's feeding their ego. So it's this   reward system.   Maybe there's an anhedonia   where they can't feel pleasure because   that's their goal seeking was   from this, I'm looking for what makes me feel good in the moment, like coffee in the morning, caffeine. I feel better. I wake up now. I can do my hashtag adult thing. I can go do my adult job. I can pay for my insurance.  

Perfect.   But then we were also talking, like, subjective and objective morality. And I'm like, well, if it's objective morality,   what is the purpose   of doing   well,   telling the truth,   being honest, doing your own personal best.   And if the culture says, well,   gangsters,   man, they they do what they wanna do, then they rule.  

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Yeah.  

[03:44:47] Unknown:

Yep. Until they until they don't because now there's   violence in the community.   They have to become informants. They have to relocate the families, you know, all the movies. We've we've seen this stuff.  

[03:45:00] Unknown:

Yeah. I found myself applying these morality ideas to that documentary.   And, like, there were so many moments where if someone would have made   the right moral decision, like the one kid's mom,   you know, who was leaving him with this man that she had been warned about.   Yeah. You know, it's like,   how like, she's the one at fault. She's   just as bad as the adults writing   whatever these kids are acting out.   Because and then but then it's like and then with the kids, it's like they have this pressure of, like, well, I don't wanna lose my job. And and then and then there's also the culture of, like,   like homosexuality in Hollywood.  

So this kid is around kids who are maybe homosexual.   There's adults that are homosexual. They're going to parties.   So it's like it's that's at a age where you're like you're kind of coming into who you are and, you know, you can be exposed to a lot of things that could alter your trajectory,   you know. And so, I don't know. I just there were so many moments where it was like, it's the parents' fault.   Like, don't put your kids in this shit, you know? Like and definitely, if you do,   you wanna be you wanna be in a position where you are there.   But, you know, I mean, just interesting.  



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Almost every one of any of us of the latch key kid generation,   basically   we were all subjected to the full Hollywood culture.   Like, we were the ones that literally   the TV was still new enough   that you could park a kid in front of that. And if you had a TV, that was fucking   all she wrote, man. Holy shit. I and then after school, they specifically had a set of programming   made for kids where they imposed   all the,   ideas,   you know. You weren't even out playing your friends yet because you couldn't be doing that till your parents got home. You had to get home from school, go sit in the house, watch TV, and wait till your parents got home.   Like, that was the rules for so many kids. It's not even funny.  

You were just offering them up to whatever   morality.   And for me, there's not again,   I'm I'm to the point in my in my   walk where there just is no good or evil.   But there is definitely choices.   And   the if you decide that you're gonna subject your children to somebody else's morality,   then they're gonna that's gonna be their morality, and that's on you.   Like,   even for   ice I at this age,   and this reminds me of what you were saying earlier, John. Isn't it the shitter, the biggest shitter of life that when you get to the age where you have wisdoms, when you ain't got any more, you know, the goal,   the goal is all dying.  

You know, like, that when you had all that energy to do everything and do all that stuff you've gotten yourself into,   like, that that's that's all gone. But now you got the wisdom to replace it, and all that does is make you feel like a jackass.   Like, god, I was dumb.  

[03:48:19] Unknown:

Horrible.  

[03:48:20] Unknown:

Well, that's but you have some great points.   I think the parents in those situations totally forget that they're still teaching their children how to react or respond to other adults,   because that's huge.   I was reading   I've I've read multiple things.   I've heard some stories about   who   predators   essentially look for in children, and it's usually kids who don't stand up for themselves.   And so if you haven't taught that kid   to throw a massive fit in the middle of the Nickelodeon studio and say, no, I'm not doing this.   You know? If you haven't taught healthy boundaries,   then that kid's gonna have such a huge inner crisis that they're not old enough to handle   and get swept away,   especially if you're not looking out for them. You know? And then you know? Because I I would hate to blame the kids and be like, well, how come you didn't stand up for yourself? No one ever taught them how to do that.  



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You know? Right. And then not only that, but then they were   prized   and awarded for the behavior that they did not want in the beginning. And this is how you have so many Hollywood people in their thirties. Like, you know, like, we see a whole string of them string of them right now. Like, oh, p d d d was fucking me. I didn't like it. But, you know, 5 years ago, you were, like, you know, out partying thinking life was great. And there was this whole,   again, spiritual and material discrepancy. And, spiritually, you weren't ever cool, but you were materially happy for a very long time. And now all of a sudden, you collided with the other side again.  

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Mhmm.  

[03:50:07] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And what happened to the Hey. I I really  

[03:50:11] Unknown:

appreciate   I appreciate all you guys. Sorry, Derek. Yeah. Go for it, John.   It was a surprise to get invited on, and, I appreciate it, man. We appreciate, like, all you guys' work.  

[03:50:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Go to FreedomLink dotcom.  

[03:50:25] Unknown:

We appreciate you, John. You're a brilliant gentleman.   Everybody, please go to natural freedom league dot com. And John does go out and fight the good fight. And I appreciate you giving us some of your time, brother.   Any amount is appreciated.   And,   yeah, we bang on.   We don't even know how long. So that you have an excellent night, brother. And, the same applies to you, Derek, if you wanna bow out. But go ahead and pimp anything else that you want. If you have anything else you wanna talk,   people to go look at, feel free before you go, John, and thank you, brother.  

[03:51:01] Unknown:

No. I'm good. I am starting a new website. It's called the natural universal spirit, the NUS.   Yeah. Just more focusing on, you know, what I see is natural law is   the function,   and then there's this entity that exists that runs through everything.   And I kind of I guess I'm animizing it, you would say. So I call it the NUS, the natural universal spirit,   and, that'll be the new stuff I'll be coming with. So I appreciate you all. Keep up the good work.  

[03:51:33] Unknown:

Thank you for coming. Yeah. Thank you. It was nice meeting you. Yeah. Yeah. Come back anytime.  

[03:51:38] Unknown:

Thank you. Have a good night.  

[03:51:40] Unknown:

And thank you to Leslie if she's still listening. That was awesome having you on. Loved your conversation.  

[03:51:46] Unknown:

Loved having you. Great talk tonight. I was gonna say the same thing, Rachel, right, when you said that. And I was also gonna add that absolutely a lot of us don't want to,   interrupt the discourse, but sometimes we also get tired or whatever. And the spider web crew,   sometimes, if I've been in it when it's up to 10 people and you don't want to interrupt the discourse, you just do the Irish goodbye.   And we all are okay with that, and we appreciate the time you gave us, Leslie. It was wonderful. Thank you so much, and I apologize that part of it may have felt confrontational, and   it was meant to be   the wonderful   discourse   that included   deep thought on both sides that it was. That was   a a beautiful talk all night. And, also, everybody go check out,   their channel,   dissolve,   dissolving the divide.  

We had a wonderful talk, which I'm not trying to push you out there. Feel free to stay till we stop or feel free to bail. Either way, brother. I'm just giving you the okay in case you feel obligated. Do not.  

[03:52:53] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. I'm I'm showing y'all. I really appreciate it. And, I just wanna make that to y'all real quick. And,   that little 10 minute, you know, musical   montage that you showed in the in the beginning.   I mean, going back to the last key kids and, yeah, growing up on fucking, like, teen Asian Ninja Turtles and stuff. That was a different   era of programming on top of programming, on top of programming. And what the fuck is going on today is absolutely fucking absurd.   And this is something that I've noticed, you know, even, like, bro, you know, like, in the late nineties, things just got all weirded out with new technology and CGI and all this stuff, and I just noticed, you know,   the soul   getting sucked out of this type of art form and and all this stuff because,   yeah, like, there was actually people that were drawing   things on paper, like, the Simpsons back in the day where, you know, it was frame by fucking frame.  

So things were actually more intelligently   designed   where you have this artless   and soulless fucking bullshit that we have today. And, yes,   going back to   the times of today, what what   what the fuck is going on with social media and AI being, you know,  

[03:54:09] Unknown:

on every single, like, depth semi scroll down your fucking Facebook feed or whatever the fuck these days. Like, what the fuck? Have you guys noticed this? It did not take fucking long for that takeover to happen. We could literally go back on the spiders when it first became a thing, and we talked about some of the things we were seeing being put out. Like, one of the popular ones that was really super weird was pretending like there was a old fifties,   pictures from, like, the fifties or something burning man. And there was this whole story attached with it, and Sean found the   the true story that that was bullshit, and it was all made up in AI.  

And fucking we talked about that on spiders and, like, in be and that was not very long ago. And in between then and now, now it's just   Niagara Falls of it.   Did you just crack the way I said that? No. It's not. Oh.  

[03:55:09] Unknown:

Yeah. I'd say they've had this staged up for a long time. If you read science fiction like I do, they've been using AI as a foundational piece of all of the plots for decades, literally for decades. Not the problem. And so   we're looking at some kind of one more huge rollout that's not really, you know they change the air we breathe and we act like it's normal   and just breathe in the air.   Really, they they completely   and we're just barely getting rid of the your normal you know, used to the idea that it's already happened since Right. Us like, Ben saying us, gen x generations and older,   we still have the core memory of knowing what the world was like before,   these technologies were as advanced as they are now. And when we get old and die, then that   will symbolize something significant because you'll only have   a simulated reference   to the reality that we can still testify to. You know? And now there's yet a new reality being laid out on top of that with the, artificial intelligence side of it. And, you know, you say it and it's just like memes. Say people say, oh, I know what a meme is. But to understand what memetic   actually means has nothing to do with what we used to call an image macro or a caption on a photograph.  

You know, the idea of a meme being picked up and carried around through culture,   you know, like the old I remember the old days we'd have,   urban legends, you know,   Rod Stewart swallowed so much cum that he had to go to the hospital and get a stomach pumped or, you know, this kind of bullshit. Right? You know? You   know? Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osbourne had a contest on stage to gross each other out, and they were eating each other's shit and fighting off the heads of live animals and, you know, those were means too back in the day. That one. Right. You know? And I'm sorry to be vulgar. Gear won't always sound durable, I mean, so,   I don't know what's happening   now. They say AI and people think of shitty image   computations that were created by a free software or they think of a blurb of text that help you,   write a term paper or come up with a a rough draft idea when really the concept of artificial intelligence is far, far overarching these basic bitch things. This is not   this isn't even scratching the barely the surface of what it means   to have machines finally programmed to the point that you can have them act   as your agent in a reasonably effective way, you know,   and and trust the results because you're redundantly doing it so that you're getting real results. You know? If we had big time money, if we had $10,000,000,   we could Ben Balderston could show you something right now with AI, and we have fucking 6 labs running off the push of a button. Right? And it'll work because the thing knows how to to calculate all the data it's getting and say, change this, change that, do this, do that. In a year, Ben, it'd have more refined and better information about what he's doing   than he's ever seen before because the computer kicks him back results.  

But we're thinking of it like, oh, that sucks that they're making videos of porn stars with the wrong people's face on them, or, you know, oh my god, you know, that's a beautiful stained glass fence, and the guy next to you is like, dumbass, it's fake. It's not real, it's fake. You know, my whole Facebook feed is clogged full of stuff and people are like, this is so beautiful. I'm like, that's not what a bird looks like. You're stupid.  

[03:58:23] Unknown:

It doesn't even look like a cartoon, you know, it look looks like it's surreal. It's pure Yeah. Neo Dada's many people with the baby peacock with the fucking gorgeous feathers and big eyes. We are like with it. Our eyes are the part of our nose. A baby peacock is, like, dead brown, so that way it can hide in the brush. The monster.   Not real far. They are gonna fly north for the winter or south for the winter, but they do fly. Yes. You guys hear Yeah. Just have chickens fly too. A lot further normal things.  

[03:59:01] Unknown:

Noises. It's them taking walks and flying the trees.  

[03:59:05] Unknown:

But, yeah, it's weird. To me, that's back to that medium is the message thing. The real concept of the medium is the message is it doesn't matter if it's the telegraph or the telephone or your laptop or the AI.   We   the analogy of, changing the air that you breathe and not really noticing to me is a good one. Like, it's you don't think about air until it's gone or until it's damaged,   and they keep changing the air for us in a subtle way.   And you and you're not it's the that's the medium. We're living off the medium air, and the message is there's oxygen in it. It sustains us, and all these other mediums are are feeding us something, and we don't we can't really say what it is.   We don't know what AI is gonna do to us. We have no idea.  



[03:59:48] Unknown:

It it it's super interesting how,   us people born in the seventies specifically   went from,   only Hanna Barbera cartoons for, like, 2 hours available Saturday morning was the only programming for you in any way, shape, or form.   Like, aft other than that, you know, you're at Dallas or   fucking some other soap opera. Yeah.   It's either daytime shady soap opera. My friend Terry.   Or nighttime shady soap operas. Like, that was the entire,   TV   and 2 hours on Saturday mornings for kids. Like That's what kids did. Yeah. And then   we also   by the time we were the ones in in,   junior high, for me, anyways,   is junior high. I became a latchkey kid where both my parents   are gone. I I'm too old for a babysitter. I gotta you know,   go watch t sit home and watch TV for a couple hours. I'll be home, you know, at 7.  



[04:00:52] Unknown:

Right. Learn how that microwave works.  

[04:00:54] Unknown:

Now that we've heard the elders I'm sorry. All the old people   pitch about AI, I'd like to take this moment to remind us all that there are at least 2 elder millennials here,  

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who Go bunch of video games. Create.  

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You You know what? Maybe I will. Okay. Maybe I will.   Yes. God. Because I deserve it.  

[04:01:20] Unknown:

I deserve it. You're gonna have to deserve it. You don't you are an assertive, hardworking individual. If you decide you wanna stop in the middle of everything and play some video games, it's not on a a cruel system. It's just your You're too conservative. But right now is when I'm talking to the UK, but you can turn it over.  

[04:01:37] Unknown:

That's how I was taught. My mom allowed us to watch certain things on TV because she grew up with television. She knows about programming. She's an intelligent woman. Then she's, you know, she would set when video games became a thing, we had an egg timer. You get 1 hour maximum.   When we started being in high school because, you know, like, a few minutes, you know, we were a kid playing math games,   you're gonna give up real easy. But once better games started coming out, you're like, I have to command and conquer this civilization right now. I can't just leave.   Like, excuse me. I'm building an army. Like, mom. So so do you feel do you feel like  

[04:02:15] Unknown:

in in your era   of,   childhood,   that was an acceptable,   type and level and that   because they've changed the type to the more   Sims type of thing where you need to   consistently be monitoring   your  

[04:02:33] Unknown:

video. Of my life. I'm I I am the sim. You know what? You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna be managing somebody's emotions and needs and   wants, then I can do it. I tried to play the next the most, you know, latest sim game   because I had bought at one point, like, this big deluxe with all these different types.   This new magic setup is weak   in comparison.   I don't get to have a baby dragon. That's not fair.   But, you know, it's like, I can do so many other things in real life to make my life this way.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's it's just about creativity.   And that's the most valuable thing that anybody my age, and I'm seeing people my age, start to figure this out. I can make anything.  

That's what women can do too. That's a huge part about being a woman. And I've had this conversation   at least once already.   Like, when people,   you know, we're celebrating some holidays this weekend.   What exactly   are you trying to emulate?   Is it the him up. I'm saying demon. You know, power?   I would have I would love to have tea with this guy and be like,   how you doing?  

[04:03:53] Unknown:

Does anybody know the legend of Van Gogh   is missing here?  

[04:03:59] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. You know, that did  

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you know, I heard of being a confidant, but not not the one that she wanted.  

[04:04:07] Unknown:

Subjectively   subjectively,   that is true love. I mean,   you are able you are willing to   permanently disfigure yourself,   then,   you can't really argue that they had some strong feelings for the other person. You cannot argue that. Whether it was at healthy levels,   we could discuss.   But, you know, it is definitely true love.  

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Did you see that movie that they made about him, loving Vincent?   No. It's phenomenally   it's a work of art. Sorry. I'm very tired. I'll probably go soon.   But it is I believe it's all hand drawn. I could be wrong on that. But it's it's drawn in his style. The entire movie   is his style.   I think it might be rotoscoped. It's absolutely   stunning. Whether it's the true story about him or not, we could debate that, but   it's a good one.   Like, that's that is something that some of this technology   can do   is   allow people,   you know, either   to create this   whole thing   on a computer,   or have a bunch of people collaborate and get it all together seamlessly.  

I mean, I've done 2 d two dimensional animation.   It's doing frame by frame is rough. Yeah. But you could have everybody do frame by frame and you still need technology to get it all together   to time it just right.   So there's there are some things that   I think if I think our generation is gonna be the one to really find the balance with all this.   Because there are so many, so many millennials everybody wants to bitch about millennials. I don't understand why that is. I think that's just a fake thing that they're putting out here. I don't know who's bitching about millennials. A false divide.   Yeah. A false divide. It's it's garbage. Boom. Because I love my I love talking to older people. How old is everyone? Like, I was born in 83. Like,  

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around the world. Alive.  

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Keep it alive. 77.  

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78.   78.  

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Honestly, I think more of a I don't think it's really a false thing. I think that the   the   the, you know, some of it's just more of a game really. It's, you know, older people grump about younger people. Younger people grump about older people. It's just how things are. And what it is is   when you look at, culturally,   there seems to be something about 10. And so if you look at decades of 10,   there's something about that that people that grew up in that 10 year span   fucking art from a 1990s   And   so because you you had lived through that, you're, of course, gonna have different views   of,   the way the world works. And it's only when you're saying one's,   you know, 100%   superior to the other.  

What my fear is isn't that,   because Jen the the boomer generation   is the one who put us into the   comfort television   latchkey kids.   The   and   my fear is, is with this AI generation,   just like with the rest, what we've seen traditionally, and this has always been the argument of the Luddites, is   as we've watched these different technologies   come.   For AI, this is an easy thing to see. As you let the AI do things, how many artists,   because they're able to express themselves by going   girl in red,   large tits,   top high heels shoes,   and that thing can, you know, appear. And if they don't like that, they back up. They add a few more key ingredients,   you know, or take away a few keywords.  

They didn't really express art. No.   They just put in keywords until something else   expressed for them. And so how many of these people   and never in the history of art   has art been done easily. It's only the starving   miserable artist. Nobody walked in   I don't know why,   but for whatever reason, if you are not experiencing   a certain level of   harsh reality, your art does not   express it. And I don't feel like if you can just if you're just an angsty teen who just fucking types in some keywords,   you're not gonna   evolve   the expression of what you're feeling and you're not gonna necessarily,   find healthy,   releases. It's just my concern, which is gonna further the the degradation   where I see that the tools before me and most of the tools after me have made us much worse,   not better.  

Of people, like, wow. Because most animals fight and scream and everything else. And people, like, did you drug your alpaca? Is my alpaca just laying there chilling? And I'm just calmly giving them a little haircut,   you know, and it's because I'm using these hand shears and not this   and it's all hot and vibrating and, you know.  

[04:10:40] Unknown:

Anyway vibrating, you know.  

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I agree. Expressing.   I I saw this,   this ad   where you can have your portrait done   and you can look like some   14th century lady or something with this big,   you know, French royalty or something with these big hairs and these big gowns. And I've seen people give these items to each other   And   I like the look of their face is always kind of   like, oh, cool.   Yeah. Cool.   Like they're really trying, so they're hard to get stoked because it's it's not really that meaningful. And if you wanted something like that from an artist, like there are artists out there who will do it.   Like you probably would go to them and have that done.  

So you okay, so you go get an AI to do it. Well,   all you've done is created an avatar. You've created an icon. It's nothing.   I mean, that's, that's the appeal of it. Right? Because some of my favorite games, that was the coolest part. I'm like, okay, I've got this tiny unit on a screen. And what does that guy even look like? Oh, well, I click all the unit and that's what he looks like. Cool. Alright. You have a face now, you know,   you're Jorge and you're gonna go here. So  

[04:12:02] Unknown:

the Yeah. Real quick. Remember what happened to, like, the street drawers that were, you know, like, draw your, you know, your faces, like, The character. Whatever, like, now we got AI to replace that. It's just like, you know, like Yeah. We're losing our life skills,   y'all.  

[04:12:17] Unknown:

Well and I remember   digital art coming out. You know, people   people have tried to get me to use a tablet to draw for ever, and I'm just like, that's the handicap of, like, I can't   feel   this pencil.   This does not feel like a pencil should feel. There's there's yes. I can make it look like a pencil. I could treat it like a pencil, but it's not a pencil.   Lead has a feeling to   it. You know? Conte has a feeling to it. Paper has a feeling to it. Paper has a smell. It has a smell. It has a smell. It has a smell. It has a smell. It has a smell. It has a a whole nightmare. Your entire bee is involved in creating that. And so digital art is cool. I love some of it. It's very it does take some skill to do because I can't seem to get over that learning curve.   I will acknowledge the challenge of that art.  

But that doesn't mean   that I want everything to be made of that.   Or that   and sometimes I look at that because I understand enough about how it's done   to look at it and be like, okay,   how can I do this in paint?   How do I get something to blend that well? Do I need to start using oils? You know, if   what do I need to do to get my art to look that seamless? Because it's clearly possible.   I could do that   if I want to.   So that's just the thing is the desire. Art   has to do with desire.   I mean,   anybody could type anything in because you want to see something now. It's that instant gratification   that's taking over the art world.  



[04:13:59] Unknown:

You know? There's no such thing as extreme desire   when you have instant gratification.   Something you've longed for and worked for and and,   you know, just dreamt about. That that does not exist in an in an instant gratification  

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Oh, my God. The vision for that piece, this oh, my gosh. It took me hours,   like, hours upon hours, several days' worth of work to   to fabricate that.   But I I wanted to do it so bad. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is gonna look exactly how I want it to. You know, I've at least created something.   Yeah. From, like,   from a dream. I had I've got one piece that I made from a dream. I've gotta   maybe fix it a little because it's itchy, but   like something with these chains is not okay.   But, you know, I mean, that's the thing is you have to you have to want it bad enough to make it with your hands.   And I know you guys wanna dive into,   Easter and trans visibility day and everything. So that was that was the topic I was trying to bring up. Would people wanna say that they wanna be this woman?  

What is it about women that you wanna be?   Because the women in my life, my mother, my grandmother, the my sisters, the women in my life   are hardworking   creatives.   Do you want nails and hair and fashion   and all these things? But   yeah. I fabricated a necklace out of chainmail.   Is that the part of womanhood that you want? Is that masculine? Am I masculine because I made armor?  

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Yeah. It was more than a man. Creator. That's feminine.   That's feminine. That it's like the these that's always been my thing with these people. They take the negative feminine, and that's the parts they express. And I don't understand that. They don't take the creative and the loving mother aspects.   They take the the user and the destroyer aspects.   Transsexual, like, especially like the, you know, what typically comes to mind. And there's a ton of them up here in Northern California.   And   nothing about if that was an   a a x y genetic woman, I still would not be attracted to you. I would still find you repulsive.  

Like it's that behavior   and I find extraordinarily the whole repulsive and I don't understand why like   and she was the more, bull dyke type lesbian more.   And she's sitting there and she's telling stories and she's sitting there and she's giving Christy side eyes while she's telling them. And all her stories included like, yo, I fisted this girl and yeah, blah blah. And it's all shit that maybe Hollywood acts like dudes talk about.   But I promise you, if me and Jim and Marcus, I'll go hang out,   or I went and fisted my old lady, I shoved a dog. Dude, she said she shoved a dog toy in her own in some chicken. We'll map the final locker room somewhere. We'll we'll sit in a locker room together and see what topics.  

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Tell me how many cars you've been under, lady. Because, like, I fixed I fixed my own car.   Tell me how many cars you've been under. Okay?   Like, that's that's the thing. And you know what? To be fair, because I have love in my heart, and I I need it. I have seen at least a few accounts with some of these these people, these folks,   not like these people. No. No. Like people,   who   have found the ability to sew.   Thank God. Okay? You're gonna sit around here and be like, it's my body and and blah blah blah. Make your own damn clothes.   Because sometimes I see these people, bless their sweet little hearts, they don't know how to dress themselves.  

Because they're so confused on who they are and what they are that they don't   buy clothing. Clothing is meant for your body. It's meant to complement your form.   You know, yes, a man can wear a corset. Absolutely. But do you understand the history of a corset and what its function is?   Are you going to be lifting a lot of weight and you need that kind of support?   Like come on. It's it's basic.   And so when I see accounts on Instagram   of people   who have found patterns that work for their bodies, I'm like, you know what? I don't know what you are today, but you're gorgeous.   I will give you that. You did it. Good for you. Thank you. Thank you for putting enough effort into your form that you made something   that exudes how happy you are in your body because that's really the bottom line.  

You know?   So with that, I'll probably go. I'm gonna pass out any minute now.  

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But I love it. I appreciate that if I could tag along. But, any last words? I wanna let you, you know Oh, no. And all that. No. Please go ahead.   But, yeah, just like sowing   and 'tis the season, Easter, you know, that's the springtime   is now the time to be sowing seeds   physically, metaphysically,   and spiritually, mentally, whatever.  

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Yep. And,  

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going back to, you know,   upholding the divine feminine   and the cosmic egg   and what has been inverted with the Easter egg   since, you know, whatever, you know,   overlays of these seasons. So anyone wants   to, you  

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know, direct off of that train of thought, more than welcome. That that is the answer to the the essay I wanted people to write about. The end of the year to do it. Now we we showed   the the images   of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles   dancing around with Craig and other mutants and Easter bunnies. And the whole point of that was   turtles   lay   eggs,   rabbits   don't.   And that's okay.  

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You're the best, Marcus.  

[04:20:41] Unknown:

I dig it, yo.   Fuck you.   You. Yeah. I caught that. And I was wondering, you know, with that montage with the with the rabbits, you know, with that video. I was like, okay.   Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That really makes sense now that you just said that. I appreciate that, man. Like,  

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it comes all for full circle, you know, making that, you know. Turtles all the way down, bro. Turtles all the way down. I've heard that.  

[04:21:10] Unknown:

Fuck, yeah.  

[04:21:13] Unknown:

Turtles laying cosmic eggs.  

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Yes.  

[04:21:17] Unknown:

I could dig it. Deeply, I can grab a hold of you.  

[04:21:21] Unknown:

Shit. How deep?  

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Deep it down. All the way down.  

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Dissolving the divide.  

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Well, there is one turtle at the bottom that is just standing on something. You know? Because otherwise, it doesn't make sense.   Hey. He's still a turtle, but that last turtle isn't standing on anything, and it just inherently exists as something solid.  

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Leslie Zoller me? She's killing it over there. Damn.  

[04:21:54] Unknown:

Just like turtles on top of turtles? Well, yeah, what they all put out is it's also turtles all the way up. So that's that's a harder one to wrap your head around.   It's easy to imagine something bigger that you're standing on, but, you know, something smaller standing on you is a harder one to picture.  

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Well and then what really fucks your head up is is, like, Shane even talks about.   So on the bottom of the ocean,   there's   water parts that we can't get into and the ocean life   hangs out around those water parts. And so then if you think about it, etheric beings or maybe if we, you know, if you're Christian, you call them angels or whatever,   are they hanging around the denser parts of our atmosphere because they're from that atmosphere?   Yeah. That's the lakes up there and just all the way up and all the way down.   Just  

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Right. People don't wanna think about that underneath the very, very bottom of the ocean, the hardest place to get to in the world that there's a bunch of crustaceans and other sea creatures. And what are they doing? They're fucking hanging out at the beach just like you are.   You know? And that's real. And so, of course, it's true one level up. But like I said, people don't wanna think about that, do they? They don't wanna think about, like, angels and demons arguing for a spot at the beach, and you're the beach.   And we're living out of water. We're the ones living in the water. We're the fucking fish. We're the fish in the water that the people on the beach are staring at. Yeah. Because some people are like, oh, I like this ratty area. And other people's like, isn't there any spot with no fish? I want a spot where there's no fish, just water.  

Damn.  

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And what about, you know, going into the depths of the oceanic   abyss? And,   yeah, Benjamin, please. If you wanna, you know, bring any Norse mythology   into the realm of, you know, going back to the cosmic egg   in the womb of creation in regards to Ganunga gap.  

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Well, Ganunga gap, we don't really have access to. But when you're looking at that,   it it is. It's gonna start getting to be denser and denser as you're going,   down.   You're gonna run into a denser structure and a denser structure, and you're gonna run into a more etheric or fiery structure when you go the other direction.   And so 100%   each level has beings that live on it, and each of those beings   depending on what level you're on, you have the middle level you're living on and below you is ground and above you is sky.   And that's the way it is on each of those levels. Like, so each of those levels, this area is dense, and I can walk on it, and it's too dense. Like, can you imagine the idea, like, fucking   some, like, a being, like angels or a a seer fucking getting some scuba gear? I'm gonna go fucking fuck with the humans a little bit. Throw some scuba gear on.  

Oh, yeah. That that one's   yeah. No.   I'm fucking these ducks up getting excited into my story.  

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Yeah, man.   I like that, though. Yeah. For sure. Moving through the octaves or the densities, dimensions, whatever.   However, you know, semantics, sometimes people get caught up in the things. But, yeah, like,   I see and feel what you're saying, man. Appreciate that.   Do you guys remember where we live?  

[04:25:27] Unknown:

In your mind. Use your mind there. Yeah. I appreciate the shout outs  

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to Allen.  

[04:25:34] Unknown:

We live in your mind.   Thank you for coming. Love you guys.