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Streamed live on March 2, 2024 as #wsw 242 Zach Zabala the Universe & U

• The Healing Power of Nature and Wildlife Encounters
• Exploring Politics, Education, and Alchemy
• Finding Balance Between Materialism and Spirituality
• Living in Rural Areas and Rewriting Information

#wsw 242 Zach Zabala the Universe & U

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https://rokfin.com/stream/45886/wsw-242-zach-zabala-the-universe-and-you


Full show notes at

https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/weaving-spiders-welcome/weaving-spiders-242

In this episode, the hosts discuss various topics including the current state of politics, the education system, and the role of masculinity and femininity in alchemy. They also talk about their experiences with school lunches and share their thoughts on the importance of hands-on learning.

The episode discusses various topics including the balance between materialism and spirituality, the nature of the earth, and the interpretation of religious texts. The speakers share personal experiences and insights.

The conversation covers various topics including living in rural areas, privacy, country and western music, and the rewriting of information on the internet. The hosts also discuss societal norms around bodily functions like peeing and the hypersexualization and fear of germs associated with it.

The episode discusses various topics including theft, capitalism, communism, and the potential dangers of technology. The speakers share their thoughts and concerns about the current state of society and the implications of certain actions and decisions.

The episode discusses various topics including the healing power of nature, encounters with wildlife, and the importance of being in the world.

In this episode, the hosts discuss the controversial beliefs and teachings of Eeyore Bach, including his twisted cosmology and sexual rituals. They question the validity of his claims and highlight the dangers of following cult leaders.

Audio recorded live Saturday nights and streamed to:

https://rokfin.com/OdinsAlchemy

(00:00:03) Introduction and discussion about the current state of politics

(00:03:35) The hosts talk about the education system and the importance of hands-on learning

(00:27:08) Discussion about masculinity and femininity in alchemy

(00:56:24) Balance between materialism and spirituality

(00:57:05) Nature of the earth

(01:00:05) Interpretation of religious texts

(01:38:10) Living in rural areas and the loss of privacy

(01:48:10) Country and western music and its evolution

(02:03:14) Rewriting of information on the internet and the impact on society

(02:19:12) Discussion about theft and personal experiences

(02:20:03) Reflections on the limitations of jobs and the desire for expensive sports

(02:26:41) Conversation about the potential use of pain as a coercive measure in the legal system

(03:06:08) The healing power of nature

(03:06:57) Encounters with wildlife

(03:11:02) The experience of going on an adventure

(03:43:47) Discussion of Eeyore Bach's cosmology and sexual rituals

(04:12:01) Debate on the validity and intentions of Eeyore Bach's teachings

(04:19:47) Exploration of the potential symbolism and deeper meanings in Eeyore Bach's teachings

https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/weaving-spiders-welcome/weaving-spiders-242

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I think we're live.  

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Let's, check out that and verify that fact.  

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Where are we live?  

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Where are we live?  

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Saturday, March 2nd,   9 PM CST. What's the time in Walla Walla? We had just In Walla Walla, 7 o'clock PM.   It's a good time. Still at the same address there?  

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Still at the same address. Mad right. We are double live. I got the rock then without   Marcus even yelling at me.  

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Just whispering at you. Hey. Do we have the Rockfin live? A lot of people like that Rockfin site.   So, that new Miley Cyrus song is pretty of aggressive abusers.   She's kinda got her twang back.  

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Is that Miley Cyrus got her twang back? Did somebody take her twang? I don't know who would ever wanna take her twang. That's gross.  

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She was probably sharing it with Hannah Montana for a while, but now I think they've reunited into one   pop star figure   under the Miley brand. But that's to say Beyonce has a country and western album out, but I haven't listened to it yet.  

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You know what? That shit I'm so tired of that shit. You you know, I was on Facebook for whatever reason. Apparently, concert season   has, started in California. And despite the fact that I've never been to a concert in California,   they're advertising them all to me in the country one. Like, as I as I glanced at it scrolling by, almost nobody on it was fucking that I recognized   or and half of them weren't country. Like,   Post Malone   was on there,   Wiz Khalifa.   I'm like,   what the fuck is this? And it's like the California great country   blah blah. I'm like, the fuck?  

You know? And and, like, their big headliners is like that,   that fat guy that sings that bar song that does isn't really country,   Jell O or something like that or   Jigolo or Jigolo or Jelly Roll Jelly Roll.  

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Jelly roll is an old blues player, Wendy.   Jelly roll Morton?   Yeah. No. I said yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Van Morrison. That's the only reason I know that because that song, it stoned me.   And I wanna know chiming in is about Jelly Roll.  

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Chime in is our guest for tonight.   Zach Zebala.   Zach is   one of the folks that's on, glowbusters   tech   and also on, Iron Rail Media. And   if you ever happen to get to a live event, which I which I highly recommend,   He didn't this year because of limited room and whatnot and it being in Vegas, but normally Zac puts on the most awesome displays where he does actual   science that you can also repeat at home   that,   show that   the world as described   is not necessarily   what you're thinking, and he can show you exactly why in an experiments and whatnot that you can also do and see that what you were told isn't necessarily the way everything works.   So welcome, Zach.  



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Hey. How's it going, everybody?   Glad to have you. Oh, thank you, gentlemen. Yeah. It's been a while since I've been on any show for a while.   So, yeah, besides the normal ones I do. Yeah. This is awesome. Thank you for the invite.  

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Well, we love you, brother. And,   I definitely I   and, you know, miss you since we haven't seen you since Flattoberfest   and got to hang out and   party. And and,   Zach Zach's information is fantastic also, so I don't know why people wouldn't, be wanting you on. Probably, because some of the things you say are pretty smart and hard to hard   to compete with.  

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Yeah. They don't like that. When people agree with me, you know,   they love me. But when they don't agree with me, then,   yep, I don't get a whole lot of   I mean, I used to talk with everybody   in the community.   You know, I'd be on all over the place just jumping   in. And then it seemed like   as soon as I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, if you had a different idea, you weren't welcome in some places. And I was like, well, what's this all about? I thought we were all trying to figure this stuff out.   You know?  

So yeah.  

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It happens, though. You know? You know what? I fell under the same thing, Zach. You know?   I lost   more than half my audience   when or, you know, my subs and whatnot when,   I questioned,   germ theory and terrain theory when I when I question the way terrain theories,   what was being represented and   whether that was also the catch all, beat all, end all. Yeah. You know? And I questioned that,   that really. And there's been a few others, you know, that that just,   people just couldn't tolerate that. You know? I went against the cult.   I also love EMI eyes and don't   recommend bit Bitcoin. So   there's, you know  

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Yeah. Is that a type of a fish?   Don't wanna get fishy eyed.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   The only real investments in land and,   you know, food,   water,   a future that doesn't require our system, in my opinion.   And if you need to invest in some type of monetary thing, then obviously the precious metals and people can say all they want that gold has no innate value.   Whether you think that or not, in every single time in history, you could take a piece of gold and go trade it for things   every time of history.   You know?   Zero reason to believe that that will change.  

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Well, yeah. What was it? Like, an ounce of gold back in the twenties   was worth, what, $20?   That would get you a nice   tailor made suit.  

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You bet. Nowadays,  

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it'll get you about the same thing. Yeah. That same amounts of gold. It never really changed. It it worked.  

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Raw gold would trade for a house. And today, this much raw gold would trade for a house, and it was exactly equal.  

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Mhmm.   Yeah. Amazing, isn't it? Yeah.  

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You know? So and   and obviously in ancient   in any ancient time period, you could just take a chunk, milk, chunk of gold in, and I can get me some food, some   shelter, some clothes, whatever. So you can say what you want. You know? I'm not a big person on that kind of thing at all, so you're not really fighting against me with it. But,  

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I always carry 2 pieces of silver wherever I go. This is part of my I got that, a couple of pocket knives,   and  

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a crystal that I got. Precious metals to me are like striper albums and vinyl,   and then, you know, you can always play them and listen to them. I've heard that in a in a in a apocalyptic  

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situation   that if you have nothing else, a stripe a striker album or striper at which one is it? Striper or striker?   That that is worth at least a place in a in a community. You probably don't even have to work. They'll just give you food and everything.  

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If there's no more television to watch, no more YouTube live streams to watch, you know, the entertainers are probably get fed at some point. Maybe not first,   but they'll get fed. Yeah. You'll get   something. Because they've distributed something to the community even if it's just laughter.  

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I was just talking about this. I was like,   I don't have CDs and DVDs anymore   and albums and all the things I used to have.   I got rid of all that stuff because everything I have, you know, on a little tiny little box now. Yeah. It's like, what if this happened in the past? And when your Zoom battery runs out,   then there's some more music.  

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I live off grid, so I regularly experience what you guys would consider an apocalypse.  

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Like, that's right. That's.  

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Right. Yeah. You know? I've been, so I've not   evolved into all these things where the cloud or whatever. I don't even know how to get into goddamn cloud or whatever the fuck. I I just got DVD. Just have to save your eyes and imagine, and you can be in the cloud right now.  

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That's it. Yeah.  

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In the middle of winter, like, when like, right now, it's there's   6 inches of snow outside. It's rain, slush,   snowing.   But again, what are you gonna do? You sit down and watch a movie or whatever, especially when   we didn't have Internet, and this is the 1st year in the winter like this that we had decent Internet  

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because that, Skynet,  

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fucking   Elon Musk, Skynet, the little satellite receiver thinger,   it   heats up when it gets cold.   So if it gets snow on it, it fucking turns on a heater, and it melts it all off and all that shit.  

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Wow. Do you ever see birds going up there?  

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Oh, they love it. Yeah. I bet. So the pea pass. But my pea is hung next to it.   When it's cold out, they'll sit next to it. Mhmm.  

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Smart birds.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. It was it is on top of the one house, but they don't normally go in that house except for during nesting time because I don't want shit to be able to get to their eggs. So, like, their eggs their nest, they have a nest box that's on top of my house.  

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Smart bird.   Yeah.  

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We're living in science fiction days now. That's for sure.  

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Oh, the show is getting so insane.   When you look at it, like,   you know, the show.   Mhmm. Like, politics, we are, like, this far from idiocracy.  

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Oh, dude.   Dude,   it's it's absolutely amazing. If if you're like me at   all and myself, I never watch the news, but I will watch the senate hearings and whatnot because he's fucking   loss.   Yeah. You know? If you don't if you're not gonna pay attention to a law getting passed, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. You know? And,   the shit that gets said in these senate hearings,   you're just like,   wow. How do these people stay in office? Do any of the people actually pay attention to the folks that they voted for? I'm not for democracy at all. I don't take part in it, and I think it's a shit system. I would rather have a fucking dictator   than democracy.  

Yeah. You know? It's to to me, it's about the worst idea ever. But   do people not pay attention after they voted for that person? Do they not  

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They don't pay attention before they vote even.   You know? They don't. They they've turned it into a   beauty contest   slash, you know, cool. It's a high school.   It's not about,   you know,   the smartest   leaders with the best ideas anymore or anything like that. That's that's been gone for a long time.   No. It's a popularity contest, and whoever can throw the most money out there and get their name shown the most   gets to be, you know, the next one in line that gets it. That's pretty much how it is anymore. Does anyone know who said these two statements?  

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If voting could change the system, voting would be illegal. And   if not voting could change the system,   not voting   would be illegal.  

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Sam Clements.  

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Mark Twain?  

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Yeah. Same guy. Could be. Yeah. That was his rider name, Mark Twain.   Sam Clemens was his real name. Marky Mark.  

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Marky Mark.  

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And we do have a a video to play so we can   change our clothes   and have a sip of coffee. Marky Mark and the culturally  

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inappropriate words. But  

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Oh, that's what's crazy nowadays.   It's   I I can't talk anymore.   It's like around young people,   they look at me like I'm the   crazy white supremacist   old guy because I say gay sometimes when I see something that isn't. I've been saying it since I was, like, 9 years old, and it has nothing to do with sexuality   at all.  

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Yeah. Exactly. Fucking gay. You know? Exactly.  

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I'm not gonna stop saying it. I'm sorry.  

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It's, like, embedded into my brain. And the same thing as fag. Like, when you yell fag at somebody, it's not like I actually think that I'm making a determination on your sexual preferences.   Yeah. I'm At all. Yeah. No. I that's just something you yelled. That was some like,   when you're trying to get under somebody's skin, that one worked a lot, you know, for a year, many years.  

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Bear watch out. Now they might come ask you for your number, Ben.   Right.  

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That that I have found the way to deal with that is to have 0 shits to give.   And and   once once I once you develop that, well, then you're like, oh, I'm sorry. I would like to care about your thing, but I can't. I'm just I don't have   it. You know? And,   like, I think these kids are just fucking morons anyways. So for me to worry about what you think about what I said, I would have to care about your opinion in the first place, and and we haven't made it that far, dude.  

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Put the warning up, and then we'll get the video going.   And then it's gonna smoke the show proper. I just wanted to talk about Miley Cyrus' new music for 5 minutes. But He's trying to draw those tits in.   Mhmm. We're looking for Zoomers to join us. That's Is that Alexis or  

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are we even is that, like have I missed is that, like, the another generation down now? Because she's, like, what, like,   30 or something.  

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How old is she? I don't know. She never seems to age.   She just gets younger and younger.   Do you think Garfield should   redo the Dune universe?   And should he play the Sandworm?   Put everyone to sleep now.  

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That was amazing.  

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Try to have some   music that inspires people. I don't know if this inspired everyone to fall asleep,   or is everyone just really to ready to trust the sciences now?  

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That one sent me to,   like, into a little trip there. It was wild.   I've taken a hallucinogen once or twice. And a stream?  

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I  

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During a stream? No. I don't think I've ever tripped on a stream.  

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No. Well, tonight's your night. Yep.  

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Yeah. That one was wild. I used to do that at work. I'd sit there because there was all these paint splatters on the floor.   And if I would sit there for about, I you know, 45   seconds to a minute and a half, I wouldn't stare at the dot. I would pick a blank spot on the floor and stare at that. And, eventually, all those little dots would start moving around a little bit and waving,   And that would kick it off, and I'd be like, alright. Let's go have a good night now. It was weird.   Yeah. It put me into kind of that state of mind. Like, it's not really like a hallucinogen. It's like a self hallucinogen almost.   You let your eyes kinda glaze over, and you just stare at something. And then, yeah, things start waving and moving almost as if you were hallucinating.  

It's weird.  

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Some people thought that maybe you just, you know, I heard it, and I I just wanted to ask if you get a happy ending here  

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or not.  

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These 2 Android ladies show up, and then they just,   you know, they service you. They give you all the updates.  

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It'll be, like, what, 5 years away?   Yeah. It's already Robot.  

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Everyone's like, the future is 5 years away. We've been seeing that for the last 50 years. I think we're 5 years behind now.   And now that it's 2024   and everything kinda kicked off in the 2019 period, that's that was 5 years ago.  

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It was better music than normal. It's better than seizures.   If you expect me not to give Marcus shit, then you should hold your breath on that one.  

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I have to hold my breath if I'm going to space tonight.  

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I would.   Sky and vacuum.   You've seen you've seen fucking movies. You don't wanna, like   Mhmm. It looks that looks like a bad way to die.  

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I've seen some NASA movies.  

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You've seen some NASA movies?  

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Yeah. It's been so long for me.  

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They are highly entertaining.  

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Are so fun to look at. This is an artist's concept   from the Goddard Space Flight Center,   conceptual image of space,   man.   This   t   coronae borealis   or TCRB for short,   last exploded in 1946.   And a strong astronomers   believe believe   believe they believe it will do so again between   now and September, you know, just before election season or something. But interesting how they invoke the name of corona again, the crown.   And what does borealis stand for?   Borealis. It's a good question.   Borealis.  

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It's gotta be a northern thing because isn't the,  

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you know The northern crown   and Hercules   being a   godlike figure.  

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Demi god.  

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Mhmm. So what's Zach Zabala been up to,   or has his mind been exploring?  

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I've been learning a lot about   and, well, thinking about   how we're gonna   change things.   You know? It's it's in the works. Things are happening.   But   what is gonna be a system   I mean, we can't I I I mean,   I guess you could just tear everything down and start from scratch again, but I don't   I think that's   going overboard.   I think   there was a set of rules put in place,   you know, a long time ago, and we veered so far away from them now. We're nowhere near   when this country started.   The forefathers would be rolling over in their graves like,   what are you people waiting for?  

What's going on here? You know?   Really, it's I mean, this goes back to 18/73   or what? 186 no. Yeah. 73.   When they decided, oh, we're gonna make everything   a corporation now, and Congress can't be held accountable for what they do.   And it's like, what?  

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See, the whole thing the whole thing that gets me about it is though, if if if   and part of what, you see the occasional person that crit that critiques the constitution   as being   a powerless document,   You know? Either it was   too,   you know, powerless to stop this or it was, I can't remember how they word it. There's a there's a specific little saying they do where it like, either it was, you know, not sufficient to stop this or it was corrupt in the first place, you know, whatever.   But in that ideal,   always was the idea that we as a people   maintained   our own   ability to think and reason   and our own our own independence   enough   to where if we deemed   that the system was not working right,   we would take action.  

So   in no way was the public ever   freed of its own accountability   in their planning.  

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Yeah. It's not just a right. It's a duty.   Yeah.   You know?   Yeah. And I don't think the system is   horrible, the way it was set up. I think it's a great system that, you know, everybody had this fair chance   to,   you know, get a plot of land   and then, you know, grow an orchard or grow, you know, raise cat or some kind of   anything you wanted, a crop,   a cattle,   you know, any kind of livestock, something like that.   But they weren't taxed up to wazoo to do so.   And,   I mean, the government regulation things, this is where it gets iffy for me.   Because a lot of these regulations   came about because of certain things happening. You know? And they didn't want them to happen again.  

Yeah. And and I get those, but I think it's over overreached   that way too far beyond any of that stuff. You know, we have, like, bosses for those people, and those people have bosses and bosses and bosses and bosses   when really we just need these people down here,   the local.   That should be a local government type of thing, in my opinion. We don't need federal regulation. The federal government just messes everything up. We don't need the federal government to be so big,   in my opinion.  

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I mean Yeah. At one point in time, the federal government was basically just a bulwark against invasion.  

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Yeah. That's all it really is. It's Yeah. You know, supplies and stuff like that for if we get invaded and, you know, defense along the shoreline of our country.   That's what it really should be. We shouldn't be the stick   that goes around fighting other people's battles or   whatever reason where, you know   yeah. It's it's crazy   how far this country has fallen from what it once was.  

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Yeah.   Well, again, this is the the populace.   You know? And we can we can say it was them, but, honestly, it was firmly on us. Yeah. And, you know, when we decided that it was okay   to just   even most recently where   supermarkets were not a thing.   In the very recent past, I remember   we all remember when TV dinners became a popular thing and stuff like that. They could have rejected that, but they're like, oh, no. That's good.   And, look, it only takes 2 minutes, and then I don't have to do that's good. And they started just trusting their health, their everything   to other people   because that was good and easy and  

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and simpler. Well, it was inconvenient for me because none of those TV meals ever came with tartar sauce.   So it's like you you want to eat a microwave fish stick.  

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No.   No, I don't.  

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No.  

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I don't want to eat a fish stick at all, but unless that's a microwave fish stick. Don't put any don't put fish in percolators. Don't put fish in microwaves. It's just too   fishy. Gross.   I'm not a pescatarian.  

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I had some veggie veggie lasagna, and I just I've been paying for it for the last few days. I mean, it's literally $20 for a family size. So   got another service plan to pay that thing off because food is expensive, and then I just eating it. It's just  

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more of a journey now.  

[00:37:18] Unknown:

Just real sluggish,   real slow.   Can I ask you, what were your school lunches like? Public lunches, public school?  

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You know, we have pizza day once a week where you get the little rectangle   pizza, where you can have little tiny pepperonis with the sausage. There was taco day. Yep.   We had   you didn't have to get the hot lunch if you didn't want to. Sometimes   because there were stuff I didn't like, like the beef stroganoff   and stuff like that.   It was just, like,   some weird looking noodles with little pieces of meat in it and some yellow sauce.   The curly one. I wouldn't have I've I've never been a fan of that that flavor,   that stroganoff   flavor.  

So I would go buy peanut butter and jelly for 40¢.  

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My dad   Yeah.   My my grandma died, and she owned a restaurant. And my dad took the giant pot   that, you would use to cook meals in in restaurants because you're gonna serve, like, you know, 80 people.   And he took those motherfuckers,   and he would make 2 meals,   spaghetti   or goulash, really. It was always goulash. But Yeah. You know, goulash and then,   chili.   And whatever it was, that's all I ate, breakfast, lunch, and dinner for you know, until that was gone. And then he'd make the other thing. And then he learned and then we ate stroganoff one time at somebody's house. My dad's like, wow. And he learned to make stroganoff, and that that was a third thing that got thrown into the rotation. This was, like, right around 1988.   And I was like, it was a good year for me. I was like I'm just gonna walk secret ingredient. Yeah.  



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Sour cream.   Just throw the sour cream over the stroganoff.  

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Yeah. That's good.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. School day is remembering the education,   and I wonder what it's like now. Have you gotten into any homeschooling   curriculum?   I know you do some science experiments. Have you talked at any homeschool pods? I was thinking about  

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Cammy, myself, and maybe Karen. We're thinking   about putting together some, you know, high end video. She's got all the cameras and stuff. She's got a studio up there.   And just putting together some homeschools, some you know, just 10, 15 minutes something or others that they can show their children.   Yeah. Because   it's   I really like the hands on stuff, though. I wish   I could, like,   you know, just make a 1,000 Van de Graaff generators and send them out to just children everywhere   and let them play with them.   I never got any of that stuff when I was a child. I was so   ready to get into science and start learning about, you know, all these gizmos and gadgets. And, you know, you see all the movies, and they have all this weird crazy stuff going on in the background. I thought I was gonna be learning about that or at least mixing chemicals,   something. Yeah. I did 0 of that.  

0. We got to use the bunsen burner one time. I dissected a frog, and that was like it.   There was no I didn't get to play.   It turned into math. When I got to chemistry in high school, it was a bunch of math problems.   Yep.  

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You know, it's all in the explaining though of it because chemistry really kinda is math, but it's math and the understanding that   chemical reactions   all are just the breaking out of an electron,   which is part of why, like, I get it again, another thing that I'm not popular for because I you know, there's so many people that are, oh, the atomic model is not right. I'm like, but it kind of fucking is.  

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It's a  

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nice way to explain how it works. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because that's how chemistry works. Because if I can't I I gotta understand how many electrons are in this valence. And if they have so many in this valence bond, I can make a covalent bond with this with another thing. Yeah. You know? And,   I I've gotta understand those pieces and then, you know, just like the difference between hydrogen and tritium and whatnot because it's got a neutron in there which allows it to do other things.   It's it's it's you know, and you can   get some antical about it and say that they're not exactly describing it right and I would agree with that. But   a lot of the principles, like I said, it just wouldn't even work in chemistry and what that's what the mathematics is teaching you when you're doing that for chemistry is understanding   that one part of this will match up and mix with this many parts of this. And then a lot of times when you start getting deeper into chemistry,   you have a multi step process where I need to take and I need to let's say I oxidate this, which turns this into this. And then I need to have another reaction, which allows this reaction to happen, which then allows me to do this reaction to couple here, which is what I really fucking wanted to do in the first place.  

Yeah. You know?   So all of that is a mathematical   equation   that you can take that math and that math will basically   almost guarantee what you're doing   if you do it right.  

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See, instead of positive and negative, though,   I see it more as all   just potential difference, greater than, less than.   You know? But when you say say things are neutral,   but what's neutral?   Is that just the the earth, the ground we're talking is neutral?  

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Yeah. Neutral.   Here's here's here's where another part of this comes in.   This is just a all around, like, understanding   that a cult has a problem with period.   Like in like in alchemy,   when you look at it,   the 0, the neutral, the only thing that is that is the is the actual oil in and of itself. That's the feminine thing.   And then the masculine   is actually,   is that me?   Yeah. I wonder if that's me. I mean, get my microphone further.   God damn it.   The only thing that's the masculine   is the sulfur and the salt.   And the sulfur and the salt yeah. That was me. Yeah. The sulfur and the salt   is the split masculine, and it's through the feminine   that that is healed.  

And so it's understanding both the positive and the negative are masculine, and it's a split polarized masculine.   That's why those two factors will play off of each other. And then the the feminine   is the   the fluid, the thing that allows those 2 to do that. Because just like in a battery without your electrolytic   fluid, that's that this the feminine mercurial component.   Those that positive and negative can't interplay with each other. But at the end of the day, the alchemical understanding and it's not in any of these anything I've ever read or seen,   both the the   high positive and the low negative are both masculine.  

And it's those two things coming together that's happening in the alchemical marriage,   and the masculine's healed onto itself. And then the, the masculine and the feminine   married.  

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Alright. I like that analogy.   Of that.   Yeah.   But, yeah, I just   this whole idea of,   and I'm I'm talking to strictly electricity, you know, like,   electrostatics.   They'll say, you know, there's a positive and a negative. When I wind up the Van de Graaff generator,   people will say, well, the sphere gets charged positive and the discharge one   then becomes negative.   Yeah. And I'm saying no. It's it's all the same type of charge   just at different potentials.  

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1 is So you're basically saying it's all masculine. It's all just this one thing. Exactly. The same thing. But if it polarized against itself, one side of it positive, one side of it negative. See what I'm saying? Beautiful. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm trying to explain to people that there is no  

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yin and yang there. It's not the opposite   thing. It's just polarizing.   But they're still they they're one thing. Yeah. It's like They're the same thing. It's not a you know,   it's the exact same thing.  

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Yes. Yes. 100%.   And it's only through the feminine that that can be healed and realized.   Yeah. You know? Because the feminine is the path. The the the that's what Mercury is. Yeah. Yes.  

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Yes.  

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You know? And it's through that that the masculine   gets back in touch with itself where the 2 sides are rectified.  

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Yeah. That's wild.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do with some other people. Yeah. And there's there's no such thing as, you know,   0   pressure when you're talking about this place we live.   There is no 0.   Even even they don't even say space is 0.   They say it's 10 to the negative, you know, 14 whatever, but that is still a positive pressure.   There's no such thing as 0.  

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Have you ever heard the heathen story?   The the heathen creation story? No.  

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Play it on me. But first,  

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here's Sean   Eljer.   He's here to Greetings.   Greetings. Happy,   traditional,   hey, since you need to reboot your computer because your camera and your microphone's not working, how about if we hit you with this forced Microsoft update real quick? So sorry, I'm late.   Good to see you, Zachary. I think last time I saw you, I shook your hand in Las Vegas, my friend. So that was nice. Yeah. Good to see you again, man.  

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So How's it been since then? Better than Benjamin's time, I hope? Yeah. No. I didn't have any,  

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no no exploding vehicles. Knock on wood. Everything,   has been very good, all things considered. I I mean, life throws challenges   at us all, but, you know, complaints. Things are good. So Awesome.  

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Yeah. I've decided that as long as the sun comes back around again,   everything else is just gravy. You know? It really is. Sometimes it tastes good. Sometimes it tastes bad, but it's life. I get to live it. So It is. Yeah.  

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Have you ever had that experience where you really dislike a person or a situation, and then it's gone and you find yourself missing it later? To me, that's a that's a sign   of of a reminder for gratitude.   Like, you know, my grandma, she was kind of a crazy old coot. She was really kind of a bad person. You know? But I miss her. You know? Even though we wanted to kill her, you know, because she was so out of line most of the time. But that's not actually her. Miss her. It was not your fault. Nothing on you guys.   That's right.  



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That is appropriate.   Alright.   So when I'm gonna mute and let Ben tell his story. Sorry, Ben. Go ahead. And this is part of what helped me come to this understanding of the the 2 broken sides of the masculine.   So in the heathens in in the heathens story, there's 2,   masculine parts. That's   or that's,   Mifelheim   and Muspelheim,   which the one is,   the fire side, the other is the ice side. One's stable, one's chaos.   But those are both masculine. That is the all father having split himself.   Because when if when you take the original   all, if the all splits into a feminine and a masculine,   the only thing that happens is that collapses back in on itself.  

So even if you if you looked at one is negative and one is positive, well then those two things would just balance each other out, no action would actually happen.   And so the masculine actually splits itself   like the all did, that's why we call it the all father.   Now   this what that turns into then is is   the masculine side is material and the feminine side is immaterial.   And this brings why Crow's right, but he's not right.   So,   this what this turns into then is the feminine sides, the immaterial, or the void, and the the masculine side is the material,   realm.  

And   we only understand that because we live in a material world and, you know, I am a material girl. Yeah. Yeah.   Mhmm.   And so   I   Gununga gap, but still at this point, because these are polarized forces,   they're trying to push away from each other.   And so Ganunga gap   takes and pulls these 2 into each other, and it's where that it's where those 2 collide. That's where the first destruction happens,   and in the veska pisces that forms of the balance of those two worlds   is where the first life happens.   And so then you have the destruction and you have the life, she's both the destroyer and the life giver, but we also don't really actually experience her.   Because in in the material world, the the void doesn't exist, but it's what actually gave us life. And it's what, you know, takes it away. It's what causes the destruction and the life.  

So that and that's part of what me   helped me understand that because then you understand that   both,   Muspelheim   and Nifelheim   were   the   masculine side, and it was just split and polarized against itself. And then the through the all mother,   then that's where the rectification happens and they get pulled back together. And the same thing is happening in alchemy   that you're going through that same process. And this is why Mercury has   that feminine bent to it. Even though it's a man, it always has a more feminine bent to it because it's   repeating the thing that the all mother is doing even though it's not the all mother.  

The you know, it can't be. So it's it's doing kind of her job. It's reminiscent   of her job. And through that feminine aspect, the 2 masculines are,   rectified   and then that   marries with the feminine and becomes 1.  

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I think that's how matter is created   right there.   I've been thinking about this a lot. That's another thing I've been thinking about since you asked.   Like, what is matter made up of? And they say, you know,   we have a resonant frequency of around   5 hertz, something like that.   And when you go and find out that 5 hertz is, like,   30 something 1000 miles long   when you roll that frequency out.   So does that mean that   whatever frequency you know, we're not all the same, of course, as you know, and there's a lot of different 5 point or 4 point or 6 or they say it goes up to 7.5.   I'm not sure really which way you would prefer to go,   a lower frequency or a higher frequency,   but it varies.  

So is it that long thing   all compacted?   That 33,000   mile long   piece of   whatever   electromagnetic,   whatever it's doing.   However,   I don't I don't claim to actually know. You know, I know what they   say it is. You know, transverse, longitudinal,   this and that, yada yada, electric fee or, yeah, and the magnetic coming together and crossing   blah blah blah.   I don't know if any of that is how it really works,   if that's just how we draw it.   But   I've had this thought that that frequency,   that is that long, is is matter just a frequency   of light   collapsed in on itself.  

So dense that it makes matter.   Is that   is that how matters made?   It all starts with frequency and vibration, right, supposedly?   It all comes from 1.   It never  

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ends.   I see Balderson thinking and chewing. He's chewing on it.  

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I've get also given this quite a bit of thought, and once again, I re I I I,   resort to the myths.  

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And you under  

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the light side is only one side of it.   So   when you look at it, like,   the crystal side   is not necessarily light condensed   because   that's the the stable side of that masculine.   And they say,   when you look at the miss,   that's where the chain souls in hell. That's the block that, you know, the souls chain to is that, you know, crystal rock. You know?   And in alchemy, the the way the the way it works is is through the mercury,   the sulfur   freeze   imbues the salt and freeze the trapped souls in the salt.   So   they're looking at one half of it   because what it is is a rejection of the materialist view.  

And so and I get that. But   the thing is is for me, and this is very similar to my stance on   terrain and germ theory,   where for me, it's kind of a both.   Like, you can't without that crystal side, that energetic side doesn't really work out.   You go into that material   mix, water by itself won't carry no charge if you don't put no salt in that fountain. It's there ain't no charge carrying.   So that that energy needs   some focus, and and this is the same way as I look at l l l,   just basic electricity.   The voltage is coming from somewhere. That's like the path, the channel.   And that bolt that voltage is coming from from ground in all reality. Right? So   the ground is providing that channel for that energy to go down. Because without that channel, the energy is just,   you know, splashed out and lost and dissipated.  

So that whole system is already in there, and without that   masculine solid side in order to direct   that   incorporeal   side   to with somewhere to go,   the system doesn't function. So for me, that's,   that complete breakaway from the materialist side   is,   you know,   well, typical of what our society does. It's do it wrong one way or do it wrong the other way. Don't ever pick that middle ground.  

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Yeah. That's interesting.   So do you think we have both of them here   where we are, the mask,   both the masculines?   Or is it just   do we live on   one half and there's another half   either above or beneath us.  

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I believe, and this is my difference in my flat earth.   You know, and Zach doesn't ever get to see it because he's out doing the demonstrations.   So,   when you look at it,   people already recognize the idea of the firmament,   and that's vaguely   dome shaped or half round.   Why would you assume that, like,   when they say flat, they don't the plane we live on,   do you do they assume it's like this thick or something? Like   and that there's not also some shape and that it doesn't get denser and denser and denser as it goes down. Because when we look at the way it works, if we count the the plane we live on,   because we're a perfect mix   of etheric, we   are not all beings are humans   are a perfect mix.  

5050   of etheric and crystal.   You are so many oil you are so many oils. Your electrics   raw electricity, and you're so many cellular salts. And without any of those things, the whole fucking thing don't work.   Yeah. You know?   Mhmm. And so you are a perfect mix of both. You have abilities that both the angels and the demons have, because the two sides don't have the same thing going on. You know, as a heathen, we don't let, we don't have the evil, that necessarily evil con connotation.   We have both sides represented, but there's just   a idea of the and then the van ear. You know, one's dense, one's more nature side   side more earthy, and one's more airy.  

So,   you are both   a 100%,   And that's   we are here, and that bottom is also vaguely   round. We are the Veska Pisces, and we live dead center in that Veska Pisces.   Also, why your world is inverted   because   the story is Muspelheim   comes from the south. In Nifelheim, the world of ice comes from the north. But if you're living in the Vespa Pisces and you're standing dead center on that Vesca Pisces, when you look up, you're gonna see the top half of the of the south one, because that's the one the 2 pass each other. So this is the top of the bottom one, and this is the bottom of the top one. So you live in this little weird inverted spot. Right? Right here.   Yeah. Fuck with your head. Right?  

All of that is represented right here, and it's all represented in you. Like I said, unlike the angels, there's a reason that they say the angel side doesn't have free will. When you look at anything under that earth, which is your which is your heart,   solar plexus, your will shock raise underneath heart.   Like, that's below the heart. So your will's coming from that titan side. Your free thought, your higher thoughts coming from the angel side, but your will, your power's coming from your titan side. You have both. Fly in my dreams from my stomach.  

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Mhmm. It's not something with my arms or my head or my legs. It's always in my stomach where I have to push with.   It's it's weird.  

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Yeah. It's it's because you're using your will to do it,   your power.   And and angels don't have that. That's why they can't affect things on this plane.  

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Now what about,   like, in, what is it?   Enoch. It he talks about the 7 stars that were cast down   into the black abyss. Could that be the planets?  

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Uh-oh.  

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Did we lose Ben?  

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Could be the Skylink connection.  

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Yeah. Maybe the terminology  

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My SkyLink kit my SkyLink kit out for a minute. Sorry, Jack. Cat it's that cat up on the shelf. He interrupted the signal.   Oh, I see. Too many cats. You're getting cat you're getting a feline interference.  

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No.   You should see me when I sleep. I feel like I sleep in, like, a seance of cats. They're, like, in, like, a circle,   literal circle. Some sleep at my feet. Some sleep on the right side. Some sleep on the left side. Some up here. I'm, like, in this, like, seance circle of cats. I think you're onto something they're a seance of cats. Maybe they're when they're  

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awake, they're a pack, but when they're asleep, they're a seance.  

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Yeah. Yeah.  

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Now what what your dreams is that seance fiction?   So  

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so in my in my opinion,   everything in the bible   now when you look at the story of the bible,   that   most of the   old testament   was dictated   to   Noah? Was it Noah that it was supposedly dictated to? And then Noah transcribed   what an angel told him.   Now   if I just looked at the basic idea of polarity,   the fireside thinks the ice side sucks, and the ice side thinks the fireside side sucks. And if the fireside every said everything was a dissension of it, it would kind of be right. But if the ice side said everything was in   ascension of it, which is what's it becoming lesser   because   when you look, fire's a consumer.  

It doesn't so there is an understanding that it's making this less while it's   energizing it and give it making it more. We understand that also it makes it less. That fire didn't fucking make my firewood more. I promise.   Yeah. It's   Yeah. So, there's this understanding that both sides   equal and opposite reactions.   So if the story's been told by one side and the old testament supposedly is just a transcript   transcription   from,   to Noah from an angel who's the voice of God because you can't hear the voice of God because that would be too much,  

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and it would explode your peeny little human brain. Yeah. I never got that. I'd Yeah. There's so much about   the book that just doesn't make sense to me.   And I always I I was raised on no religion.   You know? My mom was born   Catholic. She went through all the stuff.   I went to church a couple times.   When I was, like, 13, I fainted and had a seizure in church,   and then they stopped making me go to church.  

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Nice.  

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And then I went back to church when I was 18 for midnight mass with my buddies.   And, like, I think it was New Year's or no, Christmas.   And,   it happened again. I was like, alright. I'm never walking back and into a Catholic church ever again in my life.  

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Is there a flickering candlelight or something that you could?  

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I know. I don't know. No. Because that stuff doesn't bother me, man. I don't have to worry. Man. That's true if it happened again because one time is a weird anomaly. And, of course, anything in church is weird. If it happens at church, it becomes more profound automatically. But twice is  

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you know, go back and test it. I was getting mad, dude. I was looking around both the churches,   Like, all this money these people give these people, and this is, like,   a shabby brick building that I'm in right here. I was like, where is all this money going?   Who is I was like, where's the cathedrals   that people used to build for, you know, to their creator and this and that? I was like, these aren't churches anymore. These are just money laundering systems.   It's yeah. And I'd start getting pissed. And then all the stand ups, sit down, stand ups, sit down.  

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Yeah. I never went once, and that tripped me out too because I'm I was raised in protestant various protestant churches. So the one time I went with my buddy in, like, 5th grade or whatever, I was like, what is this? Flip the little thing down, kneel on the pad, flip it back up, stand it up. Yeah. And, you know, like, this is some weird shit. You know?   So yeah. I'm not feeling this powerful connection to god that is supposedly behind all of this.   But, yeah, that's crazy, man.  

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Yeah. I I you know, they're all   interesting   stories, but the whole idea of   godly you know, creating tablets   for Moses   to find up on a mountain and this and that. I was like,   when does god do that? Like,   write in a language   and, you know, on   anything   like that. You know, I see a creation everywhere now. Now that I know how, you know, the electricity and all this other stuff,   the crystal formation, and all this stuff is,   like, happening around us all the time.   I see creation everywhere now. I you know,   it's   apparent to me.   But I I never got this whole idea   that creation   created this stone tablet   to give you these   you know, tell you how to do things.  

That didn't make any sense to me.   I never   believed that story.  

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I never did. You never you never watched history of the world part 1?  

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I think the second one finally came out recently or not. I don't remember. There was video documented, Zach. Uh-huh. Well, yeah. I mean, you know, the one of the oldest Jews we got made it for us.  

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The oldest living Jew.  

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The last the funny thing is is that that's actually pretty accurate. You know, you watch a movie and you think that they're like lampooning and making fun, and then you go read Genesis and Exodus, and it actually says that. That he made like 3 tablets and Moses got mad, broke some, and then had to go back and god's like, bro, you have to be more careful with these things  

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and writes with his godly finger again. So, I mean, it That is that hard for me to believe that. Yeah. I just can't  

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I don't think it's supposed to be literal, you know. Do that. Yeah. That's the thing. I I think that   the western Christianity   has really brought this contamination of the idea of any of it being literal   into the thing. And now we've all heard the argument for so long, and I was like that when I was younger. But I don't I don't take any of it literally.   I mean, I'm sure there are it's it's referencing reality in lots of places, so   there's kind of a gray area there. But that's not the same as   I think Moses really went up on the mountain   and the the cloud of heaven, the hand reached out.  

You know, maybe it shrunk down to where the hand was supposed to be as big as a finger,   and it started getting getting busy. Right? It started typing, you know? And so okay. Yeah. It's it's dumb. Like, the metaphor makes sense, kind of, behind of. I mean, even the metaphor is still kinda hard to wrap your head around. Like, why why wouldn't, you know   There's there's a there's a few problems here. I'm not process.  

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Right? Oh, and I got It is complicated.  

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You know what I got? What'd you get? That I obviously typed more godly because   apparently one finger isn't some bullshit hunting pack. It's the way we do.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's here's my thoughts real quick.  

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Finally connecting to Yahweh. Hallelujah.  

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The the difficulties we face today   using Internet to research these topics   where   everything is syncretic in some way. So it has to compare   ideas, you know, angels and demons, vanyer, what was the other word?   Aseer.   Asir. It's like trying to find these comparisons   in a modern system and then trying to reach a consensus reality to explain everything at all. And then the whole idea of   losing   completely the purpose of mythology, even the word itself   now seems to equate with, like, urban myths or urban legends or things that are,   kinda true. Maybe that's just a story.  

That's not the function   of myth. The function of myth is to explain   what Balderson was just explaining, the high positive and the high negative, both being   traits. Niflheim and Muslime,   you know, the separations. If you say something is to north and something is to the south, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's literally located physically in the physical north and physical south. It just means one's in that direction, the other thing is in that other direction.   Just think about it in those terms.   So to simplify   it, to figure it out. And when it comes to   communication   from divinity, god, something beyond,   Angels are messengers.  

That's their function. Those so they'll give you an idea, an inspiration, something in your head. Now was that an angel talking to you? Are you John d   sort of trying to figure out magic, something angels or demon? Maybe that's a system that's   based on that idea. But in the simple terms,   when man was out in the field   experiencing the toils of work and having time to think about things,   maybe an angel visits and gives a message that angel could be an actual human being   with a godly   inspiring message   whether or not it's an actual physical being or just an idea.   It's a story. Right? We watch a Hollywood story today,   and if we're looking at Dune,   Dune now is this Chinese   friendly   picture   where they've taken out the entire inner monologue. If you've ever read a book that's been abridged and shortened and just a cliff's note version of the story,   and then you try to   expand those ideas to make sense of everything,   of course, so much nuance and so much additional information   is gonna be completely lost   if it's just   the cliff notes bullet points version   of the story. And then you're gonna form an opinion about what that myth means to you, or maybe it's not not your favorite story.  

But when we're talking about   science   and the explanation   through mythology, that's really   probably the best way to explain things in the story aspect,   not knowing exactly if it's   frequency   or hertz or cycles   or if it's literally 30000, 33000   miles.   All of these sort of details   really get us further away   from the simple   elegance   of what a myth   can explain.   And don't overthink the myth. Don't underthink the myth. Just hear the myth, and then when it's completely laid out for you, you can see the relationships between   the ideas, the concepts, the characters   in the story. And then there's some sort of enlightenment that could be   approach. But as soon as you think you're too stupid to understand math or too stupid to learn a different language,   then you just aren't able   to receive maybe that angelic message or maybe there's a demonic message.  

But a message is a message   regardless of where it comes from.   I think I've I'm I'm trying to get to the closest circle here. Fireside, eyesight,   stable versus chaos, this sort of thing.   If it's   humans who have the oil and cellular salts, there's a perfect balance.   I think that's where we're trying to   head towards   each day   is balance in our own life's balance between   our minds, having a good mental health balance,   balance in our diet and exercise and all these things,   these are the important things. And if we're getting lost in the weeds of well, did Moses literally get a stone, and was it a a granite slab? And was it, like,   real?  

Then you're gonna go to church, and you're gonna have a physical reaction to say, this is I can't be here. This is not   helping my growth. It just feels very,   compressing. It feels very much like I need to do what I'm told to do,   and these people telling me what to do are just dictating behaviors.   And to have a masculine energy being told   what behaviors   he needs to follow   is enough to cause someone to have a an angry reaction or just pass out because it just   that's the passivity of the modern church today telling you just, hey, man. Just just relax. Just follow God's plan for your life, and   don't be a trouble don't be a trouble, guy here. Don't, don't ask questions.  

And then you might get asked to leave and then not invited back, and then you can sleep in on Sunday mornings? I was invited not to come back to Sunday school after the very first day.  

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I went one time   with my buddy, and then his mom was like, yeah. They don't want Zach to come back to Sunday school anymore because I asked too many questions. They didn't like questions.  

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Right.   No big questions.   The teachers don't have the answers to the questions.   Just stick to the curriculum.  

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Yeah. But it was weird because it's the same thing in science class in school when shit didn't make sense.   I'd ask a question.  

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That's how science functions as a religion to a lot of people.  

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Mhmm.   That's why I didn't even take physics in high school.   I hated the thought of more religion stuff down my throat   because I didn't it didn't make sense to me when I asked questions. I was told, well, this is how it is. It's like, that doesn't answer my question.  

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Yeah. In a way, I'm thankful for that because, otherwise, you wouldn't get so many fucking cool YouTube videos.   So, you know, if they would've had some answers to your questions, then it would have been a lot less   good times for all. You know? I watched a lot of your experimental videos back in the day. It's been a while since I've been back over to your channel. But I haven't put anything out on my channel in a while, man. It's been It's alright. It's alright. I mean, you put out a lot, so it's okay. You know? I know that.  

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I wanna do the star in the jar. That's one of the things I'd like to see and play with and just,   you know,  

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see what I could do playing with those things. Yeah. That's I never looked into what it takes to create that,   that collapsed   wave field to to get the light. I I I have seen people do it,   in their own small laboratory similar to where you're working, so maybe it's not super expensive. But I've never looked at what you would need.  

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I know it's under $500.   They   I've looked it up maybe about a year ago, and it was right around 1200.   Right? Yeah. Sonoluminescence.   Yeah.   And it's we already have a frequency generator. We have a Rife machine.   Oh, okay. Cool. Hey. So we got HAT, the expensive part really already done and a nice one.  

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It's just Yeah. You get it from Rife's nephew.  

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I'm not sure. It was,   Bob got it from somewhere.   And it's,   he paid, like, $25100   for it, like, 15, 20 years ago   when he and Cammy, like, first got married the first couple years.   Yeah.   It's under my bed right now.   Yeah. I've only had to got to use it a few times. There's not that many guinea pigs that   you know, are some of them guinea pigs. Right? Yeah. I use myself, but I don't have a whole lot. I did, just a detox,   one of those, and a parasite cleanse.   And as long as you follow the directions,   you know, you drink a lot of water   the first few days leading up to your first session.  

And then you do your session. You drink a lot of water the next day, and you don't do a session. You take a day off. And then you do your 2nd session.   And you're always drinking water the whole time, like,   extra amounts of water, twice as much as you normally would drink   because you're gonna be just, you know, releasing all these toxins into your body.   However it works, whatever's going on,   like,   I was peeing straight clear,   you know,   for days.   And then   not changing my diet really at all, it went from straight clear to, oh, there's a little bit here after my second session. And then after my 3rd session, it was, like,   dark, dark urine, and I was drinking nothing but water as a liquid. Tripping. That's cool. Yeah. So I I did see something happen.  

But as far as feeling better or this or that,   I didn't   feel any different,   but I did see  

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that. Physical evidence of some kinda change, but it wasn't like then I had more energy or that I'm not relieved. Or Yeah. There was Yeah. There was nothing  

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exceptional that I saw after that. But, supposedly, there's all kinds of actual, you know, illnesses   that it can   really help with. I gave,   Jack,   just Jack.   I gave him   a   session, and he didn't drink any water afterwards.   And   he was like, oh, it's it's just getting worse, man. I don't think I can do the second one. I was like, well, have you been drinking the water? And he's like, yeah. And his wife in the background on the phone, she goes, no. And she yelled at it. Like, I've been trying to get him to drink. I was like, dude, if you're not gonna listen to my instructions,   I am not gonna play with you anymore.  



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Oh, no. Because you could I don't wanna hurt you. You're putting yourself at risk. Yeah. Yeah. I don't wanna hurt you. Just have a massage therapist, they'll tell you to drink lots of water after a session because they're breaking up fine tissue and moving things around. And so then if you start to use an electromagnetic scalpel, then, yeah, you gotta follow the rules, man. And that's to to me, that's just a window into any healer, helper, doctor   type because, you know, I used to see it all the time with physical therapists because I would help people get wheelchairs   and, because I was a wheelchair tech. And,   like so you get around a lot of people involved in the physical therapy process, and people just   straight lie,   or they'll be honest to be like, I'm not gonna go home and do this shit.  

You know? Mhmm. I'm not gonna do it. I'm like, yeah. Well, then I definitely can't help you finish getting a wheelchair because this is your doctor. You know? People don't know all physical therapists are medical doctors. They have a MD. It's just PT, MD, or whatever. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And,   I mean, you have to you know, that's what the insurance requires that you go through all their steps. And if you're not gonna do it, then you're stuck right there. You know? And it's just crazy. You know? It's crazy how stubborn and,   weird people are, but it's easy to say that from the outside too because who knows? You know? A physical therapist says, well, you gotta stand on your toes and touch your nose 10 times a   day. I'll probably be setting a reminder on my phone and really struggling psychologically to get it done because it's outside of my routine. You know?  



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Yeah. But in general, you're just right because Christy, she was a massage therapist in a naturopathic   doctor's office.   And just all around the general theme of   the patients don't really do the things at home or live the lifestyles that you know, because in a if I and then the naturopathic   doctor is good,   then they're gonna be telling you, well, you need to make some lifestyle changes if you're at you know, you're seeing some of these results. Some of them are stemming from the things that you're doing, and they make them change. You know? Well, if you're not willing to make those lifestyle changes, you just want the magic pill that'll allow you to still maintain those lifestyle and and feel good, well, then you need to go to a normal doctor.  

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Yeah.  

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Christy said before before you attempt to heal someone, you need to ask someone if they're willing to give up what made them sick.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. Profound.   That is profound. Yeah.   It all comes from somewhere. These things are   pretty awesome design.   And I think 90% of it, maybe 80,   is up here.   I mean, I've seen people that felt great, you know?   Run, run, run, run, run. Go to the doctor. Oh, I just found out I have cancer. He told me I have 6 months to live.   And then,   you know, they just   shrivel up right there. And I think it's mostly up here because they were told they're gonna die in a couple months.  

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Now they're expecting to die in couple months. I get angry when I hear people. I I will completely contradict the doctor, and people say, oh, they think it's permanent. It's really bad, or I'm gonna die. So you can't if you wanna live, you can't believe it. You gotta take that with a grain of salt. Doctors should never speak that way. They should never use that definitive language, but that's how they train them. Mhmm. You know? I've seen people come back from hospice and all kinds of stuff just because they have the stubborn ass will to live. You know? And it is. I would say it's probably more like where you said that you fly from. You know, we think of everything being in our head, and the head, to me, the head's kinda like a clogged up intersection that isn't working right. It is supposed to come from that   that point below the heart, up through the heart and then into the head. And by the time it gets to the head, the head's really just like, yeah. We're going that way. I agree. And not doubting and thinking and overdoing it and spinning and you know?  



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Well, yeah, when you go to do a physical action,   especially like a reaction, you know,   or a,   spur of the moment something, like you're   fighting with your buddies and you're getting ready to throw that knockout whatever, you know, where you got the boxing gloves on, it comes from down there.   It's it's not from your arms or your shoulders or or your hips.   It's like everything in that spot right there just, like,   clinches and then explodes   and allows you to do   really amazing things.  

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It really is. Yeah. That's why when we get to to the highest point that they call it the the level of chi and they show it in the martial arts movies and everything is that when you hit the truly   more elevated point, now you're in 100%   flow state,   and it's still, like, you know, Neo in the matrix. All of a sudden, there's no thinking, no effort, there's no physicality to it. You're transcending   reality, but you're still   the point of reality itself. You know?  

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As We all know because we've all been there, you know, at least, you know, sometimes. You know? I've been on the health back in the day. Yeah. When I was 14, don't know what was going on. And all of a sudden, dude, I just started floating, like and I could see myself down there.   Cool. And then it happened again, like,   2 days later in the same class, in that same exact spot. I wish I could go back to that spot.  

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I know exactly where that classroom is. Where is that spot in space and time and how do you locate it? Indiana. I believe it's their middle school now. I was just gonna ask, was it Hawkins, Indiana? It was my  

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high school, but now it's their middle school. Bro, we should find a way to go back.  

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I would love to go sit in that Yeah. James Johnson's class, health teacher. Hell, he might be still there teaching. He was, like, 60, but he was still out doing everybody in track. All the   he'd be out there after   school just   going crazy lifting weights, and he set a world record pole vault back in the day. But there wasn't enough world officials there to see it, so it didn't   count. Laying on that. Out the he got out the old film projector and showed us in class and everything.   Yeah. This guy was wild. Yeah. He was a cool guy. Went hunting all the time still. He was in his sixties, and he was out there bow hunting. Yeah.  

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See, it's  

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cool guy. But I was in his class, and all of a sudden, I just started floating,   like, above my body. And then it happened those 2 times, and I just got into, you know, dreaming and trying to lucid dream. I started reading books on that and trying to get back to that.   Like,   for that to happen again, I wanted to see that, to feel that again, and just to be there in that   whatever state that was.  

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22 examples you gave us of of,   trippy   you know, a seizure in church two times   and then floating experience, supernatural,   transcendent experience in health class 2 times. That's fascinating that you're  

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That's crazy.   I never even  

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saw the correlation there or put those 2 together. That's why I said it because I didn't want to wanted to go by without marking it. You  

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know? Yeah. I need to Never again have I done that.  

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They say you can get back to that,   out of the body thing through breathing.   Have you have you tried getting in getting back into it through breathing exercises? I was just looking into,  

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yeah, a few different type of breathing exercises.   And the one that I really enjoy,   they say, special forces, guys. Oh, the box breathing?   Yeah.   Where you   you really take some big, deep, long breaths, just 10 of them, and you're really moving air in and out. And when you come up out of that and look around, especially out in the woods, like, you can see fine things on there's everything gets brighter and sharper,   and you can hear everything better. It's like   overloading your senses,   like turning them all up to 11 all of a sudden   for it it doesn't last very long.  

But it's really neat, the difference   from before doing that to after doing that.   You know, the comparison   is wild. Yeah. You gotta try that.   I'll just figure out. But I've never got to float again, you know, from that. But it does it actually affects, like,   your senses,   giving them that the oxygen that,   you know, they need. I think that's why, like, when guys are   in really   stressful, strenuous situations,   such as, like, combat and stuff like that, they'll   they'll start doing that. And then when they do get to that point where they go to make a move, they turn around, they look, and everything is it's almost like slow motion almost. Mhmm. Like, you see birds moving, and it's like you can see the bird move. You can see it sitting there, like,   every it's not just like this. How you normally see it as it's flying by. Just barely. Like, you look at that bird and you can see the bird almost, like, make eye contact with it when you're in that state.  



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Everything inside you is an electrochemical   reaction.   And when you dump a whole bunch of extra oxygen into the system, it's no different than if I went and sprayed a bunch of oxygen oxygen into my fire. It's while the oxygen doesn't actually make burn, and this is a misconception most people have is that oxygen burns, and it doesn't.   It bonds to the things that are being rejected in the chemical reaction. So whatever is gonna be released, the oxygen grabs, and the quicker it's able to do that, the quicker that reaction is able to happen. And so as you're taking in all that oxygen, your body all the chemical reactions that are happening in your body, all of a sudden just go woof   right now.  

Yeah. And it's no different than, like I said, if I took a little cup of liquid oxygen and shot it into my fire, it would go whoosh. And then, of course, it would also burn up a bunch of firewood, which is part of why afterwards, there's a crash and you you're really tired.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah. It's it's neat, though. It is neat.   That whoosh when you're in that moment.   Yeah.  

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100%.   And the will thing you guys are talking about earlier, you can definitely tell it's it's very amazing   because, Sean actually was a witness and he noticed it.   Like myself, I'm so broken. I mean, like, my left side is   got when if I if I were to get cremated, there will be a substantial amount of me still left there on the left side.   Like, it's a lot of pieces.   The I'm pieced bits and pieces together. And when my will is good   and I'm feeling and I'm not overtired   or in a lot of pain   and things like that. You would never know that that's happened. And the doctor flat told me my left arm was gonna be an ornament the rest of my life. And most people never even realize that my left arm's   not beast strong.  

But as soon as I get overwrought, overtired,   overstressed,   and my will start slipping, Sean got to see it. Sean's like, oh, fuck. You're broken.   Like, yeah. Yeah. I'm broken a lot. Yeah.   Like, I'm, like, literally on paper, I'm, like, a 150%   disabled.   And   as long as your will's intact, it don't matter. Yeah. I had no idea. I couldn't have  

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told. Yeah. Well, just because I've been around so many people that have you know, if you have to go over over again to appointments and see people's   everyone's cheating and doing a good job of presenting themself   as good as they can. We call it cheating. You know, there's times when I'd meet a little old lady and by looking at her,   I'd say there's no way in hell I can help this woman get a wheelchair. We go to the physical therapist and you say,   how are you doing anything?   Because you have no grip strength. You have no you can hardly pick up your feet. You don't have any dorsal flexion. You know, you don't have any rotator cuff strength. But here, you're still making yourself   you're you're figuring it out. You're making it work. But so then when someone gets tired or you're around them for a long time, you know, I I notice people's gait in their walk right away because it's one of the main things that you start to notice   in that in that old industry is, like, you know, because it all starts with a single point cane or something, not with a wheelchair. You know? If you're falling down all the time, a, you have to admit it, and then b, you start seeing if you can walk with a cane. You know? If you can't admit it, then you're gonna have to keep falling down until your wife says, I'm gonna divorce you. If you don't use a cane, and then you say, okay. Maybe I'll pretend I'm gonna use a cane to avoid divorce, and that's how it starts. You know? You get a lot of construction workers?  



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Yeah. I mean, the They get that cane with that side lean. They're back back into the side and that one leg kinda cocked. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They got a lot of off both hands. Belt. It's from the damn tool belt.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Spud wrenches. I when I use tools, I practice trying you know, if I can, I use both hands  

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because I've seen so many guys, you know, one side is either overbuilt or worn out or both? Oh, I've been painting the last few days, man, and just holding that paint can up with this arm out like this, trying to balance and, you know, reach with this one. It's not hard,   strenuous work, but when you're doing it for hours and hours and your arm is just yeah. It's not so much my arms. It's my neck, like, right back here that's like, you pissed me off. I'm gonna be a dick now for a while.   Yeah.   Yeah. It's fun. Good stuff. I love getting older.  

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Oh, man.   Oh, man. We got a wicked storm front coming through, and you'd never know it again. But, like, especially that because I flew off of a motorcycle into a tree doing 55,   and I've got a bunch of other things going on. Like, I blew out my back a a bunch and other various injuries, but that one is all of this.   And, you know, I cannonballed into a tree. And so   it used to be in the winter, I had to sit. And when I first met Christie, it was like this. It's gotten better since then. But when I was real cold and I first wake up,   my I my left side would just be curled in, and I couldn't uncurl   it. Like and I'd have to sit with my my   my shoulder next to the stove, and I'd turn the stove on to, like, 350, and I'd sit there with my shoulder next to it for about 2, 3 hours. And then when the metal inside me got warm, then I would be okay.  



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Wow.   Yeah. That   I don't know. My buddy has Walt Johnson,   he's got a   rod in his arm,   and he said it's been nothing but   everything in his body, like, changed after that. His allure he got allergies all of a sudden,   and all kinds of weird stuff happened to him after that.  

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I'm fine other than that. I hadn't noticed anything except for,   because I I mean, I crushed it bad. So there was no place when, when I stood up, my my biceps, all the   muscles, because it was so crushed, had fallen down, and it was this big giant ball on my bicep and tricep.   And they had to take that back out, but there was nothing to put it to. And so they had to pin it into some pins over here.   And so there's certain spots that when I'm trying to do anything, it's like, nope. There's not even a muscle there to move it. It's it's just there's it's dead. There's nothing. I don't even feel strain. It's just a dead spot. Like  

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Wow.   You just took me back to gym class, dude. I saw a kid's   leg do that.   1 of his hamstrings   came undone and just rolled up and curled up underneath his leg and was like this ball.   That hurts so bad.   Oh my god. The because this kid never made a sound, you know, like   nail through his hand, and he just kinda look at you like, I gotta go to the to the nurse, I guess. Yeah. Like, Eeyore. You know? No emotion whatsoever, really. And this dude, I looked at his face, and he was going,   and I was like, wow. That's really gotta hurt. For him to make that face,   that's gotta hurt real bad.  

So I feel for you, man. I don't ever wanna see that happen to anybody again. That is horrible.  

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Yeah. I I would not recommend it.   Definitely a 0 on a 1 on a 1 to 10. It's a it's get it's it gets a firm 0. Do not do.  

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Are you classified as a cyborg?  

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You know, half.   Half.   You know?   You don't wanna know about the things that I did. I got in there and they're like, we have the technology.   Thank god. I only it only cost 13,000,   so I didn't quite get all the $1,000,000 man features.   The $13,000   man. Yeah. I got the   $13,000 features.  

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My mom told me that I love that guy when I was younger, but I don't even remember it. I don't remember him.   I got lots of memories, but the 6th she said I called him the $6 man. The $6 man. Yeah. Yeah. That was my thing.   I'm   Dave, the $6 man. Yeah. That was a big thing.  

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It's exactly the same amount of money, give or take.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. That was the early eighties. So, yeah, we're getting there almost.  

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Oh, man. Oh, man.   It's it's a really weird thing to be,   you know,   pushing that 50 year mark   and having lived in   the time frames that we have   where, you know, you're coming to a true awareness happened. My, you know, mine was probably about 70 9. You know? So most of the eighties, I I was fairly aware of the world.   And,   the differences between that and the world that I live in now.   And for me, the eighties was in South Dakota. So South Dakota is approximately 20 years behind everybody else in any kinda   social type thing.   So, really, you could have probably equated it to the fifties type   living   where what I grew up in and to have that, you know, in compared to what we live in now is just  

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Yeah. It's   a beautiful little town I grew up in that was surrounded by cornfields.   You know?   Didn't have to lock our doors,   you know, nothing like that.  

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Keys in the car all the time. All the time. Didn't matter  

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to the   turn into the south side of Chicago.   Like, we just got swallowed up by and now it's part of the greater Chicagoland   area, they call it.   Yeah. I had to move out.   Jeez. That was   20 over 20 years ago. I moved out to the country,   And I was like, I found the least populated county in the state, and I was like, yep. I'm gonna go live there.   It'll take them a while to get out this far.  

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Yeah. That's horrible.  

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Rule of life, general rule of life. If you wanna live if you wanna live in peace, you gotta go where nobody else wants to be. That's just a fact. And then if you want nobody to take your stuff, what you gotta do is have nothing but work. Like, that's why I don't worry about my farm so much because nobody wants to steal my work. Like, all that's all I got around here for you to take, motherfucker.  

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I tried telling him and you have land, which is nice. You know?   I tried telling my uncle that. He went and built this big log cabin, you know, by himself pretty much. Big, beautiful house. I'm he had some help. I mean, he'll tell you he did it by himself, but he had some help. Alright?   But and he only got, like, 2 acres of land, and he wanted to be secluded.   I was like, you know, in, like, 20 years, they're gonna find out about this place because it was right between 2 big lakes. It was this little peninsula that went out. You had to drive through this little vineyard   to get there. There's grapevines   on both sides,   gravel road.  

Now it's all paved, and there were 5 houses   on these 2 lakes when he moved there on the peninsula. Now there's 37,   and they're all people from Chicago that come up to Michigan on the weekends   and drive their jet skis around when they're not supposed to and no wake zones and this and oh, you should hear him just bitch and moan. I was like, I told you, dude. If you wanted privacy, you should have bought this whole thing. You had the money to do it. Buy every plot of land.   And don't let anybody,   except for your   children and your grandchildren, come up here and build.  

Yeah. And houses where you don't have to live on top of each other. I was like, I told you, you had the money to do it. Why didn't you just no. He went and bought, you know, 70 acres up on Lake Superior where he doesn't even go.  

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It's like, why? Well, if he wants to let any of it go, we could put a fund together.   I know that he's in Michigan, but I've heard good things, man. I've heard a lot of people. Beautiful country.  

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It is. It's beautiful country up there.  

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Is it you can get secluded up there. That's what's nice about it. Tell people you need at least 10 acres to feel like you're not being interrupted, you know, and then you can't put your house in the corner next to your boundary line. You gotta plant yourself right in the middle of it. You know? Mhmm. And even that's not very much, but at least   the headlights and the sounds are far away, kind of. They're far enough away that you'd have to   go over there. Ben said, no. I can't even say enough.  

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And in the middle of it. Do do you want it do you wanna know how how much it takes to grass feed 1 cow?  

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Oh. How much?  

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20 acres.   That's a surprise, man. You don't even have enough land to grass feed 1 cow much less not see your fucking neighbors.   You know? 20 10 acres is not   jack shit. That is I mean, that's a bare to feel any sense of privacy. You know? Like You wouldn't even feel privacy. That's one of them them them houses on the outskirts of town. They have really large yards that he has, like, a nice shop out there. Isn't very much land at all. There's a place about 10 acres.   Like, your neighbor's still right there. If you want if you want true privacy,   you need 500 acres.  



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That that'd be nice. Yeah. Because you can buy a piece that has some nice green spots and   it has lots of rocky crags and mountains and b s that's not important, but all that still insulates you from the outside world. You know?  

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That's we we we were we've already been looking at that. I mean, we're not we haven't   entirely abandoned that for the moment, but there's, like, land out in Kentucky. Brian   Almost 200 acres for a 140,000.   Now granted   of that, probably only 30 or 40 of its actual,   you know, like, workable land. But as you said, then you just put the houses on the different sides and then the unworkable land. You know, you use that as your boundaries and whatnot,   which is kinda what we do around here. We have a a large allotment. Like Brian and I, we live on a connected property. We live on the same property   and we and there's a house between us that the that the farm ants live in and we couldn't all of us, we can't see because there's mountains, there's trees, there's   you know? Hey. It takes legitimately   in a vehicle. When Brian goes home, it's gonna take him 20 minutes to drive home.  

20 fucking minutes.  

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That's awesome.   Like,   Yeah.   Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. When I was driving from El Paso to   Dallas,   Yeah. That's where my buddy lived.   I saw a sign that said, next   get gas now.   Next   gas, food, or water, a 124   miles.   And while I'm on this road, it was nothing but these big, tall fences   that you couldn't see through.   And then you'd come up, and they'd go on for, like, ever. Right? And then all of a sudden, there'd be, like, a gate.   And, like, one of those sliding   you know, you couldn't see through it or anything on the fence, but it would be one of those that looked like you could pull open or whatnot. One of them even had a little box that looked like you went up and just hit some numbers.   Wow. But, yeah, those people   I was like, wow. They got this. They're ready to go. I I wonder what they have back there because these were huge. Like you said, like, 500 acre properties.  

And then you see a couple of lots for sale. Have privacy, to be honest.  

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Like I said, and I wasn't one acre is only 43100   square feet. It's really not very much.   You know?   And   it's   you need a lot   to have true workable   privacy   in any way, shape, or form. And Montana is beautiful,   but what I think,   people don't understand is is that,   up there,   there's all kinds of areas. You notice that they have a parking lot that's nowhere near their house. It's out by the highway because they took a snowmobile   back to their house. And the snowmobile's got a little sled on the back, and they had because they can't get into their house with a fucking with a vehicle, and they leave their car parked out by the highway because at least they can then get it onto the highway   and hopefully get into town.  

And that's that's for, like, 4, 5 months a year. And the other thing is is like Zach was talking about   Montana, the rich people decided that that was pretty.   And now that went   from being this shit poor area that had rugged land that was cheap to unaffordable   land. Like, Kentucky is somewhere that rich people don't wanna be. So you can go to Kentucky and buy 200 acres for, you you know,   $800 an acre, $700   an acre. You go to where's that stuff in town.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. West Virginia. Anywhere rich people don't wanna be, if they look down on that area,   the land's gonna be cheap. But as soon as rich people like it, you gotta understand that they have no problem with overpaying for their 3rd house that they'll never use. And you end up with things like Steve Poikkanen,   who we add on a few weeks ago and is a good friend of mine. He lived down in the Santa Cruz mountains. And 20 years ago, the Santa Cruz mountains were poor people live. And then some rich people decided that that was a nice place to put for a 3rd house,   and then they price all the poor people out. And now and then Steve never moved or started living excessively, but then started to have to have 3 jobs to afford   a shithole   place's rent   in some place that, you know, was a poor area.  



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Yeah.  

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Yeah. That stuff in Montana is crazy. You see people complaining. They're living in Butte that they can't,   you can't buy a house, and they've lived there. They're second or third or fourth generation people,   and they work an okay job. You know, they work at the local factory or whatever, but they're completely priced out of the market.   Yep. Because it's just not   people come in with all the  

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because Yellowstone was a big hit,  

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and they like that. Mhmm. I isn't it weird? Hyperreality.   It's hyperreality.   It's just crazy.  

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Now they all want a mountainous place out there to to get back to nature and beauty, and I swear to god you watch. Look.   You could see videos   of,   Dawson from Dawson's Creek sitting out in his   cabin,   telling you about using the ash to clean the to clean the smoke on the glass at the front of the,   fireplace and how the cure is inside   the the answers inside the question and blah blah and waxing philosophical   or whether it's Kevin Bacon sitting down in his fucking barn with his alpacas playing a goddamn ukulele.   Yeah. You know? All these rich assholes are doing that kind of thing and pricing the rest of us out of it. So that explains Beyonce's  

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country and western album.  

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Is that true?  

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I don't know.   Is   this true? What's happening in Texas, these wildfires in the Panhandle?  

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Dude, did you see the California damn,   damn country thing the other day? Were you standing here when I read that off? Like my god.  

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You guys wanna know why it's called country and western? I learned this from a podcast called,   cocaine and rhinestones.   So country, you know, that's like the traditional kind of,   poor white folks blues, you know, like Hank Williams, you know, acoustic guitar music on the porch,   you know, bluegrass.   And then, the themes   to the western movies,   you know, was like the cattle call and,   happy trails.   So the reason it's country, country is like the traditional folk music of the poor people and western soundtracks and themes to movies. So they kinda come together, and then you get this style of,   both and or, you know, some parts of both, you know, and then, of course, it breaks down into a whole bunch of other things from there. You know? But,   just in case you never knew why they call it country and western, that's the reason.  



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So where does the fat dude with face tattoos rapping in a song fit into that?  

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High fructose corn syrup, tomato, onion, and garlic flavors combined to make the western   salad dressing sweet and smooth. New York City.  

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Exactly.   Oh, that comes from post everything, Ben, to answer your question. We're we're post everything. We are in the epilogue of reality.  

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We're first blown out.  

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I'm really I've been listening, and I was hoping that the guy says,   Audible hopes you have enjoyed this program, and that's it. We're done. You know?   That's   that's what we're waiting for. Everyone's imagining this big apocalypse, but, you know, they get to the end of the thank yous and the credits, and that guy comes in with that kinda hiss tape sound,   and it's over.  

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The the apocalypse is living. Someone needs to go in and   take and separate Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart and slap them both because I think that might be where the epicenter of this bullshit  

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game. That very well could be. I wanna see him Jell O wrestle. Is that unreasonable to ask?   I think Martha Stewart would do better than people think. Separated.   I think you'd be surprised if they said you were really gonna make it do it. Snoop's face, you could see his continents would be like,   man. You're saying I'm gonna lose. I might lose. This woman's been to prison.   I just been to the country club.  

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Snoop incontinent   in a chocolate pudding wrestling match with Martha Stewart.   Now that's the shit as the kids would say. Incontinent.  

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Mhmm.   Too easy. That would be really fun. You could make them slam laxatives first and then wrestle in the pillow, but that's kinda up in the ante on everybody. Oh, whoever shits himself first loses. That's right. How hard can you clench? Guys. Can you clench in the Guys,  

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this could be an actual sport we should jump on.   This is way better than slap fights. Way better than slap fights.   Oh, this is a $1,000,000   one. We need to  

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write this down. But, yeah, the whole country   combination   with the   country and western combined with what they're calling rap music is very strange thing, isn't it?   And I've really listened to Jelly Roll. I've just seen images of Jelly Roll, and I'm like, that's all the information. That's more information than I needed, but thank you. And I just moved, like,   so far, it hasn't come into my ears. Like, remember that song,   whoop them gang them style?   Like, I had heard about that song, but I never heard it   until my oldest daughter went to kindergarten.  

And then she's I'm driving her home from school, and she's she said something else.   She said,   wump them ganking stein.   But she said it in the style of the song and I thought, damn it. Now I gotta go listen to this thing and find out what it is because my kids are bringing it all from school. I can't insulate myself   and have them be exposed. That's not right, you know. Which by contrast, that's a great song. Right? Back then, it's like, oh, what is this crap? But I'll I'll take Gangnam style style all day every day over whatever they're playing nowadays. It's weird stuff.  

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And that's country due to the year. And he doesn't even sing country.   You're like, what the fuck is even happening?   What the fuck is even happening? That's bar music at best.   That, you know, like, that's fits like in, like, the who's that whiny shit? Aaron Lewis. Aaron like the Aaron Lewis genre.   Yeah. I know.  

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It's something like that. You know? Like, now all of a sudden, that's country. Like, that's fucking But you gotta go back to to Waylon Jennings pretty much telling everybody straight out that he thought Garth Brooks is   not shit, you know? I would say.   Like, Garth Brooks was just playing he's just LARPing. He was acting.   He knew he couldn't be a rock and roller because he's this kind of round, pudgy little white guy.   He just had to put on a cowboy hat. Yeah. He's the start of pop country. Fuck that guy. It's his fault. Just like we can blame Led Zeppelin for butt rock, we can blame Garth Brooks for pop country. Period. It's your fault, Garth, if you're watching. Fuck you, man.  

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I grew up at Charlie Daniels.  

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Yeah. That's Kudrick Muster music. Yeah. I got it. You definitely, you could just call that country music. From, like, 5 feet away, bro. I had to see him do devil went to to Georgia from, like, 5 literally, like, 5 feet away at the 75th Sturgis   because I was wondering. Oh. Yeah. That's awesome.   Yeah.  

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I've seen some shows. I never saw   Charlie Daniels.  

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Oh, that's too bad. Me neither.   I I want people to know, Zach, that they should check out that video you did, and I'll find it so I can drop it.   I know I mentioned it to you before. It's called, the big switcheroo.   And especially if you're interested in fat in flat earth information,   it's you and 2 or 3 other guys, and then it's it's a little bit technical,   but the idea   that they explain the functionality of the eyeball in your vision   and how there's distortion   depending on how close or far away things are and how we are seeing   through a spherical surface and a lens   versus the planar geometry   of the Earth.  

You know, I know a lot of people have their, feelings hurt when you say that the Earth is a flat geometric plane, but, you know, if you can't get over it, that's okay. We'll still love you, but, the reality is we can't really demonstrate any curvature.   So it just makes it a challenge to work outside of what we could prove.   But, I'd say it's definitely worth it for people. And so I'll drop it in the chat here, but I'll put it over our too. And if you had anything if you if you remember anything cool about it or wanna say anything, that's okay too. But that's  

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Yeah. That was, Chris Van Matray,   Gavin   oh, I forget his last name. He went by Vortex Puppy, I believe Mhmm. On YouTube.   And Glenn   from Australia.   I forget.   Oh, Otis Fudd   Pucker,   maybe.   Something like that. I think might have been his YouTube handle.   I forget.   Haven't heard from him in a while or   or,   Gavin. But, yeah, Gavin   was   quite   quite a genius when it came to the numbers and stuff like that,   and, he really understood optics. He was an engineer.  

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Right. Some of them were doctors or engineers. Right. So it wasn't, like, just random guys. These guys were pretty,   advanced in their scholarly works. They had   degrees and certificates, and they were still flat earthers. You know? Well, yeah, Chris is a, surveyor.  

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Still a surveyor.   Been a surveyor for probably   28 years now, I believe. Something like that.  

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Long time. Steve, so I that's a this kinda guy, I'd love to get,   like, I started looking up great circle navigation,   and I never have found,   like, a really plain and simple   why   you know, because if you get deeper into the arguments that the Globe believers,   especially the more high minded, technical minded ones, this is the kind of stuff you come up with. Right? They'd be like, well, we use great circle navigation   so blank. You know? Here's why that explains something that you can't,   keep, you know, on the on the plain conversational   level. Or the other one is with what you said, surveyors.  

What do they call that fancy machine that they use? And, you know, there's a type of surveying that those guys say, oh, no.   Yeah. Geodalite. There you go. Yeah. Geodalite. Yeah. Yeah. Geodetic   surveyors or geodetic surveyors. Guys also think that they're using earth curvature when they're not. You know? Yeah. Well, Chris break I think he  

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I don't know if they ever released I don't think they did. We're working on another video,   like, a part 2 to that where Gavin and Chris got more into the super technicals.   And   Chris found the mathematical equation   in the program that he has to punch numbers into, and then it makes corrections   for when it sends it off to the geodetic   surveyors.  

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Oh,   interesting.   It's crazy, and it where the fudge is. Yeah. Where Like, we've all seen that where they've downloaded all the data for,   Google Earth. Mhmm. And, you know, it pretty much makes a a kind of a stretched out Mercator map, and you got all this bullshit around it to the outside.   Because if you run that thing back through the algorithm, it goes, we gotta fudge everything by, you know, a little bit here, a little bit there to wrap it around this ball. You know? Yeah. It's crazy.  

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They've done a great job.  

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You can't knock them. I mean No. No. You have to give them credit for how hard they've worked, and they have to keep maintaining it too. It's not a one time thing and chunky. Yeah. Yeah.   It's super interesting.  

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K. It's super interesting to me too because how it's all derived from Greece.   And then you look at so many of the other things that we have, it's all derived from the Rome Greece,   Rome and Greece,   and and all the problems that we have and all the different societal issues.   And it's like and we and it's funny because people still hold on to that hard, and people even still look at the Greek philosophers, which we were talking about this thing, Kat. We were talking about this. I had it before the show.   People hold Greek philosophers as these highest minds that have ever lived, and these were just a bunch of rich kids that were douche wads. They did none of them did anything.  

They they just sat around and thought and had higher thoughts and blah blah. And they're all of them were rich. That's why you can just sit around and not be out in the field working.   Like, because you're a rich kid.  

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So many of my best thoughts came while I was working, especially out in nature.   You know? That's where I learned so much either   when I was cutting down a tree   or just like   when I worked in a factory,   I used to smoke pot a lot.   Everybody knew it. You know, I couldn't be sitting at the break table doing it. So I would put on my little show, I'd go grab my camera,   and I'd go sit out at the railroad tracks   and take pictures of all the cool insects that I would see because we had stuff coming all the way up from Louisiana   and then all the way down from Northern Canada because they were bringing in the little plastic pellets. I worked in a plastic Large exchange of, oh, man. I got it.  

Crazy pictures. I got little caterpillars from Louisiana that have these stingers all over them and then crazy black   dude, we had bugs from all over the place.   But I'd   I'd   learned to use my camera, and I'd do all the macro.   You know? I'd get real close to them, but I wouldn't zoom in too far, and I'd let my lens really get a nice picture of it.   And, yeah, you start seeing   all the little it's   I don't know. It made everything a lot more intimate.   It made me wanna start learning more about nature on that level.   You know, when you take a picture of a flower up close and you can see the pollen and it looks almost like it's the exact same shape as a beehive   ends up being. It's like, wow, this place is amazing.  

How it just all lines up. And it's all designed to do   this.   Yeah.   Yeah. The whole idea that it there's just a bang, and this just, you know, happenstance   ended up this way.  

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I again, I'm kind of,   on a 5050 with it. And this is why I've almost felt like a disconnect from our community   because   I'm not a 100% opposed to the big bang.   Because   if if we look at the way I'm looking at creation,   when that negative and positive collided together, would that not have been a big bang?   Would that not have been Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

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I mean Yeah. For the very first spark. Yeah. That that was a big bang, but   just the idea of   nothing making that happen.   You know? There is no creator or no source or anything like that. Just all of a sudden, one day, there was nothing, and it just decided to explode.   And all this stuff came out of it, and it was, you know, this many billions of years ago. And they've, like, moved the globe post on that one for a long time since I was a child.   I love those dogs.  

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It's why as the dog owner, you feel the self consciousness   and the irritation of it. But really, especially on a casual stream like this, nobody else really cares. I mean, obviously, you can't keep it on because then there's dogs barking really loud, but, you know, like, for, like, kids, anytime there's a podcast and someone's kid starts talking, you know, the host gets all like, oh, but it's like, dude, it's a little kid talking. What do you know, you might listen to me.   Around. Look. Hold on. Yeah. Maybe they're gonna drop the most important piece of the podcast here. Yeah. Right. So So you know it's not AI generated at that point.  

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I wanna show you guys some little humor here as we're watching the Internet being written and rewritten in real time.   And I don't know if this is a bug, a feature, or if it was planned.   So   Google has launched its own   AI   thing, whatever that means, algorithmic   language learning models stuff,   but it was   generating   images. It was creating images, and the prompt was essentially,   asking you to asking the Gemini AI to create an image of our founding fathers,   and it kept creating images that looked a little bit like this.   So you can maybe describe what you're seeing here. Is this, actually George   Washington?  



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Matt,  

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the pictures I saw growing up. I think that's Jevon Jevon Washington. Great.   That's Jevon Washington.  

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Eli Whitney,   maybe?  

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It could be. So for those who are listening, the   Gemini images generated a black man with black skin who appeared to be in the George Washington   costume, just sort of in general.   And there is a lot of   talk about people who get onto the earliest iteration of   an algorithmic   AI language learning model image   generating thing,   and then they can play around with it. And as they play around with it, they begin to help   test   its abilities in creating   realities and alternate realities.   So what we found by doing this   was that as people were sharing generated images to other message boards,   that information from those message boards was being taken by the engineers at the Googles   and the Microsofts,   and then they were rewriting our prompts.  

So if you were to type in something as simple as   George Washington crossing the Delaware   painting in the style of   original art, whatever,   you would send that prompt. There would be now an intermediary that would rewrite the prompt   to ensure that the output would be   George Washington   with   dark brown   skin.   So there was no way at some point for anyone to produce pictures of George Washington   with   a photo or a painting   that represented   all the other paintings that we were familiar with, meaning George   Washington as a Caucasian   light skinned   man.  

So in English, man.  

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In in English.   Sure.  

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Sure.   So in computer jargon, there's a word called mung, m u n g, or munj with ae at the end. Munger munj is the jargon for the series of potentially destructive,   meaning irrevocable changes to a piece of data   or a file,   meaning that if you have a picture   and you edit the picture to remove the red eyes   and then you save it,   you may have lost the original photo. So you might only now have the picture of the photo with the   corrections   in it.   What this is saying   in terms of search results,   Wikipedia articles,   New York Times articles, whatever it is,   if they're not saving the original iteration of the article,   they're deleting all the past   versions,   and then they change the article,   and there's only one article that exists on their website,   then they could change   specific facts within that article,   and you might forget about it. But 10 years later, you go back to search for that article,   and the basic fact that you're looking for   is changed. And then Wikipedia will reference that article.  

So in this way, we're experiencing a new   wave of creation where   Internet   AI, large language learning models   are rewriting   over   files,   and then they're wiping out   the data trail. They're wiping out the other iterations.  

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Right. It's 1984 or 3 point o.  

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Yes.   Yeah. We really made it easy with this, with the Internet, didn't we? Maybe it's 3.3. They don't even need to go paint over the barn wall. They just need to.  

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It's a double edged sword for   both sides, I believe. Yeah.   I'm I mean, it's it's a great tool for them gathering information on us.   You know? Everybody puts half their life on the Internet now. It's crazy. There's all these   people that, you know here's what I'm eating right now. Yeah. Here's what you know, I just took a dump. You wanna see it? You know, it's, like, it's insane. I've been wanting to get some angel investors to help me build poop log for 20 years now, where it's just people posting pictures  

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of their diet. At least get the data,  

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captured It's kinda like the light.   Go ahead, man. Sorry.  

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I was just gonna say that if we just set up the parameters that definitely gathered   somewhere telemetry on how many pictures of poop there were and just have a graph on a website, no images, no information,   Just like how many you know, so you could see that the morning comes,   and then there's kind of a lull, and then there's a few people that are around 1 o'clock. And then we have after work, and it comes back. You know, that'd be pretty funny. You know, the poop draft.   Pretty funny.   Social poop.  

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It's kinda like the, it's kinda like the lower grade of them guys that poop in mason jars and write down what they ate and store it in their closet for years.  

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My friend posted a meme of a Amazon   driver pissing on the package on somebody's front porch. And I'm pretty sure it was photoshopped, you know, it wasn't real.   But,   trying to determine if it was real, I found all these articles and evidence and posts   and complaining of how many Amazon delivery drivers are pissing on people's bushes,   pissing on the front porch, pissing around the side of the house,   pissing in jars in their trucks, getting fired if they leave their piss jars in their trucks. Yeah. And it was shocking. There's probably a marker right now. Why I don't work for Amazon.   For portable disposable toilet for these guys that they could hide on the way out of the truck. We could probably get   to be millionaires by the end of next year. As  

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a society, we just need to get the fuck over it. Like, the way that they have demonized   going pee is insane.   Like, if   the if the damn Amazon truck driver's got to take a leak, let him go piss on the freaking in the gutter next to his truck and get out and move along.   It's not like the dude's getting off fucking taking a leak. Yeah. You know, like we need as a society just kind of maybe pull the stick right out our  

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Well, it's a combination   of hypersexualization   and fear of germs,   so then it creates this confluence of nonsense.   It's like, the stuff that's in the gutter already is worse than your piss. Your piss is cleaning the gutter.   Yeah.   You know, between tire rubber and other chemicals that are there naturally occurring on the ground because of just because of automobiles, let alone the other stuff, you know, the stuff you're spraying on your lawn. You know? Yeah. All the neighbors that are using the Roundup.   Exactly. Roundup. Right now. We have no idea what Roundup and, petroleum products are doing together already. We don't we're just oblivious to what that might be. It's not a good situation. You know? You're worried about cross contamination where you're cutting meat and salad in your kitchen, but you're not thinking about cross contamination from Roundup and,   tire rubber and petroleum products in your gutter, you know, where your kids float in a boat.  



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And I'm I'm old enough that they didn't have these laws like that when I was a kid in the Midwest anyways.   Freaking, you know, and and most the time, if you were teaching your kid how to pee, they were a little nervous to pee outside that first time alongside the road. So you just had to pee with them. You're like, I'm not pulling off to you. I'm waiting. You know, they gotta pee now, and the next town's 40 minutes away. You're like, yeah. So then you're out there peeing, and everybody's waving at you on the way by, and you're waving back, you know, dick in hand. Hey. You know? And nobody thought nothing of it.   It's not like this was a thing. You just had to pee. Everybody pees.  



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No. That was my buddy Johnny's complaint that he didn't like the east coast because you couldn't stop anywhere and take a piss, you know. Whereas if you're in rural Oregon,   you know, if you have to pull over and jump into ditch and take a piss real quick, you know, and you step down into the ditch to be off the road not because you care, You don't wanna be blasted with dirt or accidentally run over.   But if you're in Michigan, like we were talking about, I don't advise it from what I've heard now. I never been over there enough to know for sure, but there's population density maps will show you that there's a good chance you might offend someone who's got their property, their mailbox, their little their little,   place to park out there. You know?  



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That person was just that person paid. Oh my god. I can't believe they paid. This shows how weird our psychology is. We're so susceptible  

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to,   like, group psychology   and and media because it's just like the most natural function of the body. I mean, come on every, you know, you're not going to be upset if a little kid has to pee. No. He's going to wet his pants. It doesn't matter if he pulls it out and pees in the gutter right outside of the Target store. You're not gonna care if a little boy doesn't wanna piss his pants. Well, us adults aren't any different. We don't wanna pee our pants either. And, you know, so  

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To me, it's it's honestly probably fairly unhealthy that we hold our urine in our Absolutely. Such long periods   because   and because in normal,   had we not made those weird societal rules, in what situation like, when I was a farm kid out on the farm, did I hold my pee? Never ever.   If I had to pee, I peed right there. Would it be oh, you know, didn't matter what you're doing. You get done peeing, you go back to what you're doing.  

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Especially if I get up first thing in the morning and the boys are like, hey.   I gotta go outside right now.   I mean, then I'm going with them.   You know? I go walking out to the tree, look around. Yeah. Okay. Nobody's walking the path.   You know? And then yeah.   I   I prefer peeing outside.   Absolutely.  

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I've never met a dude that doesn't, and almost every dude I've ever known that has a fenced backyard   has an it has a pea corner in said fenced backyard. Almost every dude I've ever known. It's it could be even longer than getting to the toilet. The toilet could be the door right there. They will still walk over and pee in that corner. Fuck peeing inside.  

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Yeah.  

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For the, remote workers, all those office workers who got to work from home for a little while, That's probably one of the biggest reasons why they don't wanna go back to the office.   Office toilet politics.  

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I don't blame them.  

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It's not natural.  

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I've never worked in an office.   I never wore worked a job where I had to wear a tie   or a a collar.   That was one of my goals in life   was to never have to sit, you know, and   wear that.  

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You pulled it off.  

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Made it so far.  

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Yeah. My a friend of mine who plays bluegrass way back in the day when I was in that wheelchair technician job, and that's the reason I could never wear polo shirts again because I used to have to wear them every day, and I just can't put one on. If I put one on, it's to ruin it. It's to use it as a smock because I just can't. Like, I don't even have any, you know. I might have one that's literally a smock I use in my shop. But, he played me this song, where it says, you know because he he knew me from,   for a long time as a heavy metal rock and roll musician. And so then I cut my hair short, you know, and I'm having to be formal and deal with doctors and deal with patients. And he played me this song called,   that you they cut off your hair and sent you to work in tall buildings. And we weren't in a really tall building, but it still made sense that he's like, here's the heavy metal kid that was, you know, looked like Dimebag Darrell.  

And now, you know, he's high and tight with his glasses on. He's got his polo shirt. It says, you know, medical guy or whatever. You know? That job taught me that you could get anywhere with your shirt tucked in and a clipboard and a pen.   I've had people push the button to open the ICU for me.   The ICU is locked for a reason. You need to be a nurse or a doctor to get in there for a reason. I just stand there.   I wasn't trying to get in. I was good at, you know, I was gonna come check-in properly because to me, it's like you're breaching the ICU without being asked on my behalf. And I just   look important. If this is me getting in to go murder the guy, thank you. Thank you. You made it that much easier. Now I can go poison the guy and get out of here and throw my clothes in the furnace and be done a   lot easier because you pushed the button for me. You know? It was very strange how many people would help you,   especially if you're carrying something too. Well, the whole world is yours, man. If you got a clipboard and a hat and a shirt and you're carrying something that kinda looks heavy or awkward, they'll open every every part of the hospital for you for nothing. You know? I I've I used to back when I did illegal things, I used to say that all the time. If you wanna get away with doing something illegal, just act like you're working. Nobody wants to bother somebody that's working.  



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You know? I'm working   here. I'm working.  

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Just fuck away from me.   That makes me think of the guy. I don't remember where I learned it, but this guy would walk in, and he would go grab the floor model TV, and he would just find an old receipt in the parking lot and go big to pick up the biggest TV off the shelf and walk confidently out of the Walmart or wherever. And, you know, the same thing, people just wave.  

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You know? Just They're not getting the help you out.   Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can you look at this guy? This poor guy.  

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I can't hear you. I didn't do that. I'm not even paid well.  

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They weren't TVs. They were   Playstations.   The first Playstations.   I was young. I was, like, 16. Seared in Mhmm. Southlake Mall. It's   Seared   in   Southlake Mall, it's called.  

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You did it yourself? You went and got yourself a present?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Just take a little piece of paper.   Look. It was like nobody was there at that counter,   you know, ever. And they kept them all behind the counter sitting right  

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there. Oh. It's almost too easy. And I have long arms. I'm long, dude. I have really long arms. I'm just Armstrong.  

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Just whoop. Yeah. Just have that little piece of paper in hand and just walk her out the door. More confident. Yep. I didn't do it too much. You know, just a couple. Yeah. You can't go out there and go like this though. Like, Right.   Just talk like  

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Yeah. I made me think of my grandma again. You know, my grandma was a famous shoplifter.   And we blame her when you whenever we have a hard time getting into packaging because, you know, packaging is a challenge nowadays. Right? Like, things are packaged pretty crazy anymore. And I always curse my grandma, like, damn it, grandma. This is your fault. Because the judge told her in court one time, Kathy Alger, if we see you outside of this courtroom with a person any bigger than this, and he held his hands up like that, he said, you're going back to jail.   Because she would take the kids to the to the store and stack stuff under them, put appliances underneath the baby's in the stroller,   like push a whole cart of of merchandise out of a discount retail shop, like, fill the cart up and just go head for the exit. Go. You know? She didn't make a list. She used to make a list and go shopping around the holidays and birthdays.  

She would sit down and make a list   and go get it all together.  

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Yeah. And I never kept any of this stuff either. I always just gave it all away. Didn't even sell it.   We just Yeah. Mostly stole,   ball bearings for our roller blades.   Nice. New ice hockey blades   because we're always breaking them.   Just stuff like this, stuff to play games and sports. We wanted to do all the fun expensive sports,   but   our parents didn't pay for that stuff.   And our jobs didn't cover all that expensive stuff,   So we were just going,   borrow it for a while.   Or you know?   But a lot of the electronics and all that stuff, we I just gave that stuff away. It was more of the rush, the thrill I got from doing it.   My one buddy didn't believe I could do it. So I took it right to the   I was like, come here. Come here. Let's go. Yeah. I'll show you. You're going into this place. Yeah. And I was like, here's how you do it. And I grabbed all this stuff and I was like, here, you gotta grab tuna. I was like, I fucking hate tuna. Threw it in the cart and just filled up half a cart, and then went and grabbed the thing I was gonna take, took it back to this one aisle,   pulled out my knife, and cut it open, and pulled it out of the thing. And then we walked out. He's   like, I can't believe you just did that. I was like, dude, I told you it's bad. Just abandon the cart? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I believe it's sitting there. Marcus Allen's like all that tuna.  



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He's from the Midwest. What do you want? Of course, he likes tuna.  

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Tuna. I like the albacore too. I  

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like   He's got it on the hand. He's got it on the hand. Pacific room salmon. That's what you want.   I told you. I've told people when they find things inside of a Walmart or another store that's way out of location,   that's probably some   druggy booster moving stuff around, so that's another strategy. You know, you go take the laptop out of electronics,   and you go put it in the the children's section next to the,   the diapers or something. And then when you come back, you buy the diapers, but you put that thing, you know, down your pants like a steak like Eddie Murphy did when he was mister Robinson on Saturday Night Live. Yeah.  

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See, for everybody that questions what l Marcus Allen is, if you don't understand that he's protestant,   you apparently don't notice that the fucker eats nasty fish   regularly.   Right. You know? And you apparently have never been to a protestant town where they're having a ludefist that he said. So  

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potluck, he's obviously a protestant. I know people think that the faith is in Jesus, but the faith is in the in what you're eating with the potluck. That's the real faith is that you're gonna eat at the potluck.   That's bold. Yeah. Brave. This is a huge amount of faith. Like, oh, look, they're all.   What's in it? Whoop. You know, that's brave.  

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If you only albacore out of a bag, you are definitely Protestant. Well, the mercury counteracts the,  

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the,   fluoride bin. That's the way it works.   And it makes it taste good. Well, it's magical too because there's dolphin in  

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there. Says it's the lowest mercury limit of any brand, save catch.  

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And you know you know that there's And you know you know that there's dolphin in it because it's desirite on it dolphin free, and that's the clue to you that there's a lot of damage. Is 50 times below the FDA limit. This is  

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it's, American Pregnancy Association's official salmon.  

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Wow.   Non GMO. Now I'll for anybody that does eat fish here, let me scare you. Okay? So it's about to fur as the mercury. So the fish gets contaminated with mercury,   And what happens is another fish comes and swallows that fish, and it digests the mercury, and that transmutes the mercury into something else. And it happens again   and again.   So the big fish that you love to eat, that great big salmon, however many little fish it ate and one fish ate it and then it grew up,   what you're getting is not like mercury out of the thermometer.   It's this shit that Balderson would take. He'd have to have a whole laboratory just to analyze it and say, well, I guess it's this kind of mercury that's the only kind we've ever seen. This is the one example of it. And so   regular mercury, you know, is kinda toxic for you, but this shit, we have no idea what it fucking does to you. No clue what it might be. Bionic, Protestant.  

No. Bionic.   Did you say ionic or bionic?  

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Yeah. It's I'm just gonna be picking that out. Cool. Waiting for the theophany to come through to explain   who I am.  

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Maybe this time a tablet will write on God's finger.  

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Yeah. When when when the when the when the world government needs him in a time of need, they'll just put a glowing green fish in  

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the sky. I like the idea of Jehovah with a bat signal.   Now we could make jump making Jehovah as a superhero. You could really offend a lot of people.   You could you could get, like, 60, 70 percent of the western world. I I know I know that for a for a world that has accepted  

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Loki being,   legitimately,   they have a patent on Loki   that   as a fictional   Marvel movie character to   everybody to be offended that they made a Jesus bat signal would I would feel so bad about it. Really, really bad.   It   my heart  

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I'm I'm has South Park done it? I'm sure they have. I   know they did Moses.   They they were gonna do Mohammed,   and I think Comedy Central   stopped that.  

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Well, you don't want a one to one correlation   on why people are dying detached directly to your corporation.  

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Also also a religion that contains suicide bombers. You just Yeah. You just did it. It's not worth it. Off. It's like  

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Sure. Yeah. So it's only guys like us that realize that it's like the CIA is like, hey, we can go kill all those people because they'll think it's them. You know, like that's such a tiny percentage of people that even think that way, let alone believe it, that it just leaves the door wide open. You know? People just believe it. Oh, no. It was the Chechens or whatever. You know? I do have a little clip. Now is probably a good time to share it.  

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I think I'll just play it without  

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announcing what it is. That person commit the crime, even though that person's utterly innocent,   that it becomes a planted memory. And so there's some really interesting research that we can plant false memories in the brain,   and in a different context,   one of the emerging areas that's really interesting in law neuroscience   is pain detection.   And once we understand the circuitries   that   cause pain, I guess the question is could we then instill pain and use that in many coercive measures   in the legal system as well. So Wow. That's amazing. Did you wanna add anything, Brian?  

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I did.   Orchard.  

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We have a word for that. Did she hear that? That this is from the   World Economic   Forum.  

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Did she just bring back let's beat fucking prisoners? And, like,   let's just torch, you know, like,   did you just reword fucking train them through pain? Like, just   a few prints.  

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Implanting a memory.  

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Right. What she's talking about is   inserting   tiny   little metal wires into the   brain,   maybe like a neural link  

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Side surgery. For criminals  

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and then as behavior modification   Just make them experience a whole lot of pain   So they can't   do criminal activity.  

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Let me They're trying to make in Clark records real. Thank goodness. Yeah. Let me just play this again. Clockwork Orange would be better. At least then it was just a bad LSD trip.  

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She's talking about implanting   false memories   and then instilling pain.   So let's listen to her again. This this has been scrubbed for the Internet,   but we got it here. You say not anymore. Well, the Internet the the full the full video has been difficult to find, but let's listen again.  

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Thing. Seeing that person commit the crime, even though that person's utterly innocent,   that it becomes a planted memory. And so there's some really interesting research that we can plant false memories in   brain. And in a different context,   one of the emerging areas that's really interesting in law of neuroscience is pain detection.   And once we understand the circuitries   that,   cause pain, I guess the question is, should we then instill pain and use that in many coercive measures, in the legal system as well. So Wow. That's amazing. Did you wanna add anything, Brian?  

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In the legal system as well.  

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It it means somehow get, like,   10 seconds   before that.  

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That would be very important.  

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Yeah.  

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So I guess it's not torture if they're not actually physically hurting you. Because they because they kinda  

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it I'm not a 100% sure that we're not drawing  

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putting 2 piece. Goddamn it.  

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I'm not a 100%   certain that we're not putting 2 pieces together that weren't meant to be smooshed together, and we didn't just kinda miss   something.  

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Right. That's   that's the difficult thing of hearing a 30 second sound bite   and jumping to conclusions,   but it's difficult to locate the full   speech.   So I don't even know the names of these women. I just see in the background, WEF doesn't say what year.   But there are other   people talking about   using   Neuralink and other Neuralink like technologies   to put electrodes   and little thin   wires   into the brain.   There's a documentary.   I think it was 2019.   Tilda Swinton narrates it.   She's talking about Hedonia. The hunt for Hedonia is the name of the documentary,   and they're talking about how   modern man is not experiencing happiness.  

They're not experiencing   hedonia, the the pleasure feelings.   And there's also talk about   schizophrenia   and mental health questions.   The solutions that are on offer   are having to do with brain implants   and electrical stimulus   in certain regions   of the brain.   It's not like this is a brand new thing,   but it's in the conversation again.   The WF,   WEF people   are talking about this   with much   smile   smiles and smirks on their face. Like, they're very  

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clever to have figured out how Well, it's interesting because the imagine the amount of pain that you could dole out   without then having the,   corresponding   damage to the fleshy parts of the body   that would then make it so the   person receiving said conditioning,   would then have to wait. You could only   dole out so much because then their body would have to rebuild or else you're just gonna kill them. Where in this instance, you're not having the negative consequence on the flesh itself.   You're only   creating the pain factor in and of itself. So you could put   so much more pain and their ability to recover from said pain outside of mentally   would almost be immediate.  



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Another question is if someone's sitting in prison   and then they're experiencing this sort of torture regularly,   is there any plan to release that person from prison at all, or is it just they're gonna sit in prison,   experience pain for the rest of their life, and then at that point, have   those people created a literal hell   on earth.  

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Jesus Christ. And when you know that it's like, even if they just said, oh, it's just a steer and guide,   The Sanford Prison Experiment's already proven. Anytime you put people in that kind of a position over other people, it will twist people will get twisted just it's the way it is. You can say it's good or bad or whatever conditioning, what it's just it's how it works. And so you shouldn't put people in those positions. It's just how that should work. We've all seen it with any manager or hall pass  

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monitor or whatever,   you know,   even the most honest people   are gonna assert their power if you put them in a position of power because it's hard not to use what you have. But then the needy, wanting, dishonest people   immediately jump at the opportunity to take advantage and do something shitty.  

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Well, it's worse in an inmate situation because they're considered subhuman now.   So what you get is is that's not like even like a a manager above an employee because the employee is considered,   at a least at least at a zero level or a one level. When you're an inmate, you are considered a negative. You are less than human. You are not one of us. So the so and and that's been proven time and again that it's okay to torture prisoners.   Just recently, there's that fucking   county jail in, like, Alabama or something that they recovered, like, 300 dead bodies from out behind.   Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, they've been off and dudes on the regular for years and just dumping them out back and nobody gave a shit.  



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Yeah.  

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Yeah. There's something to say, but I'm sure that's the same attitude with the bodies that you find at these schools and everything with the natives and all that kind of stuff, you know, these   boarding schools in any situation that's like this.   So I'll tell you, well, they're separate from us. Yep. They're separate from us even to the point of not actually being flesh and blood men and women like we are, you know.   So therefore blank, you know. Now we can, you know, inject them with diseases or torture them or experiment on them or kill them or what doesn't matter. There's really no limit to what you can excuse as soon as you   make the other person not human and you are. You're the human. They're not. It's Yeah.  

It's a nightmare.  

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What did Bob Dylan that one song with God on our side?   I think it's called All of the he's talking about all the different wars,   and it was alright because we have God on our side. Let's hope let's just hope that the Russians don't have God on their side in the next war, he said.   Yeah. That's it. It is. Yep.  

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What makes me think of that awesome meme where there's the people,   the 2 the two sides of, the medieval soldiery.   The they're all lined up on both sides, and they both have the identical flag. But it looks enough like a bunny   and enough like a duck. Oh. That one side's saying, you know, if they don't refuse their duck god and accept our bunny god, then we gotta kill them all, you know. I mean, I mean, the flag is the same. You know? This is such a brilliant idea whoever drew that up because it's I mean,  

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that's the world we live in. It's so weird. It's such a wonderful where depending on how you look at it, it's either a duck or a bunny. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. If you've never seen it, I'll send it to you, man. It's That that's an excellent kind. It's perfect. Well well, you know, thought out. That's well thought out.   Mhmm. 100%.  

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The odds of March.   These are the topics on our mind with   politics back in   in the, the mind again. We're thinking, well, do we win an election? Do we lose an election?   Will an election We lose every election. The ship.  

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We lose all of them.  

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Yeah.  

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There's no accident.  

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And this this quickening pushing us towards,   a 2030 agenda.   And where are we on the communitarianism?   Is that the word, communitarianism?  

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That's the word. Are are we already in it at this point? Oh, yeah. I'd say we've been in it for a long time, but they're finally starting to bring it out in such a way that,   we're allowed to talk about it now. Right. You know? Cool.   Right. It is. I mean, that's, you know, people well, the thing too is that even though people are talking about it, they say, well, it's just communism, but really that's not true, and it's not easy to explain   the subtle difference.   I mean, that's a useful   step, I guess, away from thinking that you're still living in   constitutional,   republic   with democratic   elections, you know, that's unfortunately not really true,   and they're not using that old system the way that they used to. I would say they were always using it,   you know, with bias, you know, the amount of money you have and prestige and power you have always affected how you could get things done inside the system. But now that system's being   dissolved,   like,   to the uttermost or at least we're moving in that direction.  

And so they take, like, the worst parts of old fashioned   capitalism and the worst parts of old fashioned communism, and they're like, let's make this into one really good thing and, you know, really good for them and really, really bad for us. You know?   Yeah.   China's really the best example of it. You know? I'm sure if you just type The problem if you try to go completely communist  

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is is you lose all dry in a completely communistic system. That's right. So you look at where eventually everybody realizes that the workers get nothing and the people not working get everything.   And so you don't you don't wanna do anything because you don't get a direct reward.   Eventually, in the capitalistic   system,   you realize that the workers get nothing and the other people get everything.   So, you know,   it it it's it's a hard   hard sell   to push the 2 going together.  

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The because the bad side of both seems to be pretty fucking similar. They're just doing it in a different way. It is. And the I loved Nikki Repaunna because she'd say, well, if you feel like you're looking at all this and you're trying to get it to click and you just can't figure it out,   then you figured it out. Yeah. That's what you would tell people. Like, that's it's a it's a conundrum. It's a contradiction.   And it's a it's like they're like, let's make   contradiction   into the rule,   you know, and that's why it's so hard. But to me, it ties into this fact that people have   been moved off of their logical foundation long ago. You know, like, as much as we make fun of the boomers,   the world that they were existing in   had a hard stop   with actual known provable facts.  

You got to that point where it's like, okay,   we're arguing, we're gonna prove it. We're gonna find out.   Either   water fucking turns into ice when it's cold or it doesn't.   And so it gets cold and there's the ice. Now the argument's over. Water definitely turns into ice. But nowadays, everything's on an emotional foundation, so they can say, well, I see what you're talking about, but I don't like the way it makes me feel. And that somehow stands in court now.   Yeah. That drives me insane. And so they say, well, I mean, it's true that the water turns in the ice, but but but, and now we but but but all the way off the cliff. It is just like True true capitalism's  

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always gonna turn into corporatism   is the problem. Yeah. And and true,   true communism is always gonna turn   into,   privileged upper class   because at some point in time, even if the the only time true communism works, and and the same thing with capitalism,   is if the general public   maintains its own self awareness and power. So in a communist system, you end up with a small group of leaders that all the,   the   commodities are all given to 1 small group and then redistributed   basically back   into the community   according to the needs.   Now if you have a benevolent and decent leader,   that's gonna get done   decently and evenly   with forethought for the future.  

And so that's gonna be a very successful system.   If you get a a leader that piss poor,   and then they're gonna take and consume   more than they should be consuming. They're gonna   the populace consume less,   and it's gonna start, de evolution cycle   where eventually the population's gonna put less in because they've been not been getting their share out. And then there's gonna be less, which is gonna make the overhead   inch more, which is gonna make the population put in less. And it's just gonna and with capitalism,   you have,   let's say 5 I have 5 companies in a city that,   make horseshoes. They have 5 5 fucking,   blacksmiths making horseshoes, armor, you name it. One of these guys is gonna naturally be better than the other guys. He's gonna naturally make more money.  

This is a capitalistic system, and that's a good thing.   And and that works out real nice.   I'm not against it, and I'm not against also the the the   communist system. But it it they just work a little different. Now the capitalist system, that guy's gonna make a little more. Now what's gonna happen then is is at some point in time, that guy's gonna have an excess of money in comparison to the other people. So let's say he goes and expands out and he buys a shipping company. And now he's the one that owns the shipping companies in town. And now the shipping companies, they give him a discount, and they do not give the other people a discount. And now he's running at an operating cost that's substantially   different than the other people. And you know what he does? He starts cutting their fucking throats. He starts saying, well,   it only cost me 50¢. A pound cost you a dollar a pound. You need to sell it for a dollar 25 to make 25 percent profit, but I only need to sell it for 75 to make that same 25¢ profit. Walmart.  

Uh-huh. And now I cut all their throats. And now when they're all out of business, I jump it back up to a buck 50. And now it's fucking all me, baby. And then I can do the same thing with the fucking I'm gonna buy the mines. I'm gonna fuck it. And now I'm gonna because I own all these things and I'm the one controlling all the the commodities,   I'm gonna start controlling what gets said. You don't like it, you don't eat motherfucker, because who runs barter town, bitch?   Both systems. If you don't have a general public that's aware and ready to revolt,   and ready to be self aware and somewhat self independent,  

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both systems collapse. Or they have to be opted in. Exactly. Self aware and opted in. Okay?   If we make a commune where we agree   that Ben makes the best stuff   and Ben's willing to distribute that to the people who really suffer to exist,   then it works great. But as soon as Ben feels like you're,   taking advantage of him, then the fact that he's more efficient than everybody else instead of because it's a blessing if you know that you're making extra and the widows and the orphans and the developmentally disabled and the physically disabled are benefiting because you always make extra because you can. That's great.   But as soon as that becomes in doubt where you can't trust that your extra is going to the most needy, then it's out. And Ben just holds his hands up, says I'm done working for you people. I'm not gonna do that, you know?  

And I don't know in the capitalist system I mean, I guess it's the same, you know, I was using a communist example, but I guess you could say it's the same if you can   work hard and make extra and then you distribute it somehow   because you want to, because you're a true philanthropist. I've never seen an example in my lifetime of what you would call a true philanthropist.   They may exist, but   it's not,   you know, anybody named Rockefeller, etcetera, that I've ever seen actually   just out of the goodness of their heart. Like, hey, we charged a lot of interest and we made a 1,000,000,000, but we're gonna give most of it over here to the hospital.   But, really, the reason why they're doing that is never what they claim to be.  



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It's first it's for some weirdness, usually. Those stem cells aren't gonna research themselves, s b.  

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Not this year, but give it time.  

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The problem with the decentralizing of autonomous zones is is now we don't have a centralized government. And so now each of these zones   is their own government, and now we've completely lost interstate travel. And with the loss of interstate travel, we have now that's gonna shut down interstate trade.   And now the freedom that we have to do all of these things because we've model cultured ourselves out so badly and become,   autonomy, you know, zones that were only doing one thing,   then we the whole system crashes.   And   whole system, if if if we do that,   the whole system crashes and we're not as a people in any way ready for that. There isn't a a a city around,   that in any way, shape, or form   is self sufficient at any point. Everybody imports everything from everywhere.  



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Mhmm.   Trucks gotta carry it. Trains gotta carry that stuff.   Yeah.   Even the Amish.  

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Yep.   Gotcha. Think of,   I I always recommend the first book that Kurt Vonnegut junior ever published. It's called player piano,   and, it was published in 1959,   I think. But what happens is   they automate everything like they're doing nowadays. You know, we're living in it, in the reality of it. And so everything's so automated that they no longer need workers because the machines do everything. And so then in the book, there's a river that divides the super wealthy people from the really poor people that really I mean, they're just poor. You know, so poor that they're not they can't hardly eat or exist.   And so the poor people get mad and they go across the river and they destroy all the factories.  

And,   the guy that's leading them, as soon as they've smashed up the place a little bit so that they've taken the reigns of power, he's like, alright.   Stop. We have it.   We succeeded,   but they don't, and they destroy everything.   And then the book ends in a dystopia because now, like, we we can't really relate to how good we have it at any point in time. Like, you don't wanna undermine the foundation of your society.   It feels that way because they project in the media for the leadership   to be so corrupt and so bad that you, you know, you have this internal emotional feeling of,   we need to do something. We gotta get rid of these people, but we have it exceptionally good. There's clean running water. There's   all of this infrastructure in place even if it is suffering somewhat. You don't want that to go away completely where to try to get to where Ben is. We're thinking about either repairing roads to get there or what it means to drive on no road to get there.  

You know?   You're not getting to Ben without a road.   Not not easily. You might die.   He he He's not gonna get there.  

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Even recently just in politics with the the senator of Georgia came out when, with this whole thing going on in the Texas border,   came out and they almost openly declared civil war and said, when we gonna kick this shit off? And 26 states said they backed   Texas,   which is a a legitimate split in that 26 states was basically   dead down the middle, which then means that the West Coast and East Coast can't really trade with each other because now you've got across   the angry center   to do that. And so now only things produced on the West Coast get to be in the West Coast, which is all fine for greens and and fruits,   but the grains and whatnot that a lot of us survive off of for breads and for fuels and oils and whatnot,   that's all from the Midwest.  

And, you know,   a a lot of the things, like a lot of,   also from the East Coast, we get to miss out on all that and the same thing for the fruits and vegetables for the rest of the country. They get to miss that for California.   Like,   people don't even realize   what all the consequences   that are gonna happen. Even things like,   power, you know, oil lines and gas lines and things like that, that right now freely interstate,   you know, cross interstate like it's nothing because it's one unified thing. But if it was not one unified thing, all those things dead, every one of them.  

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Well, it turns into to warlords. That's what you're gonna end up with. If you end up with regional warlord,   you know, balkanization of the United States is is Yep. You can't we can never come back from it. There's no way to make it whole again in my opinion.   No. I would end up being, like, so big. If you know, it's so big in comparison to other parts of the world.   Like, the idea that I can get oranges from Florida is just a huge blessing that can't be fathomed. You know? That's Yeah. Mhmm.  

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Did you guys hear what our warlord said recently about blue roofs?  

[02:51:17] Unknown:

No. I did not.   Okay. Oh, no. Bidenator?   Well, that's Jim Jim Cook.   Brace yourself. Allen's gonna quote the president, Jim. Brace yourself.  

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Well, I I'll just begin with the ending here. There was some talk about   laser space based lasers.   So this asks which of these lasers is the strongest. They have blue lasers,   green lasers,   like, magenta lasers, kind of a yellow green laser.   They're like, well, which laser is the strongest?   I don't know if you hear him.  

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No. We can't.  

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That's fine. He's just playing with lightsabers anyway. It's like Star Wars and Trade Federations.   He says that blue roofs defeat infrared,   and then there's something called an operation blue roof in the military.   Now with Biden, oh, you have to find that exact clip. Biden, within 15 seconds, essentially says from the pulpit   saying that   in Hawaii, the Maui fires,   the blue roofs were not burned out.   So if the blue roofs and there was infrared laser going against the blue roofs, they weren't targeted.   So now people on Twitter are taking that bit of information. Has anybody explained why blue would defeat infrared?  

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Well, just because typically because typically the reason a color is a color is because it's reflecting that specific color. So   then, like like like, you can't you can grow if your plants   are in,   you have them in the 12 and 12. If you put if you turn a light on them, it'll take it out of its flowering state. But if you go there in there with a green light, because the plant reflects green, it doesn't affect the plant. It's defeated because green on green. Why would infrared be defeated by blue? Somebody explain that because I don't know. I would go back to what SBL just says about communitarianism.  

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What was the code about? If if it seems contradictory and doesn't make sense, you figured it out.   So we have the idea of project blue beam being an alien invasion. We have the idea   of dues, these   energized web space based weapon laser shooting down blue beams and there's   so they just take the meaning,   compile it,   and just make all the possible meanings mean something to someone somewhere.   And the question I have in my mind so often is   with capital t truther deep dives research things,   WikiLeaks included, all this information now available to us, it's all   information. There's some fact checks. There's some arguments. There's some disagreements. People are reading through it.  

But   having   24 hours in a day divided by I need 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of work, and then the amount of time an average person has to go through any of this information   to try   to verify any of it is just gonna prevent   any progress from being made in the person's actual life.   You're not harvesting   or planting seeds out in the real world   if everything is this constant.   Here's the news story. Did you hear what Tucker Carlson said to this guy over here? Did you hear what Joe Rogan said? Joe Rogan just talked to Kat Williams for 3 hours talking about P Diggsler and the whole rap establishment   gang mafia thing,   which is gonna take years   for researchers to unravel   and write books about it. We have the Laurel Canyon book.  

It's a Dane or Dave McGowan   who wrote in the scenes inside the canyon or something. And it's like, how many of we of us have read all of his work to to get to the point to say, well, yes, of course,   there will be   military   industrial projects connected to culture creation, connected to jelly roll and country and western music, and all of the music   together.   So for   gangster rap   to have some   strange bedfellows   to have a stock,   CIA,   Laurel Canyon, FBI, Mossad,   Mi 5, on our majesty's Secret Service, James Bond,   John Kelly, d Parsons, Crowley,   Young. We keep talking about the same people over and over and over again   running around in circles.  

And are we doing any actual scientific experiments to see if lowering the temperature will indeed   freeze water?   Do we know if the polar ice caps are actually melting?   What is their biggest concern here   If we're talking about   politics in the best form of what we want our   democratic republic thing to look like? Do we still wanna have libraries and health insurance   and free health care and forgiven student loan debt.  

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It's all just Yes. I agree with polymathing there that Alan went hard. That's why I threw a time stamp. Oh, to answer your question, Ben, it looks like they're claiming that because the lasers that they use that as far as I know are the hottest, most powerful lasers are blue, But that's the reason because there's a harmonization between the color of the surface   and the actual source of the laser beam itself.   So then,  

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there's no contrast for it to laze against, you know But the frustration So but so what I'm reading, though, is that blue isn't it. That brown and red actually,   or brown actually,   is the most reflective of infrared.   Is what this is saying anyways. It's saying blue and red,   colored objects absorb shorter shorter, like, wavelengths,   like blue red colored objects   and reflect   longer ones like   red, so it's in the wavelength   length.   And that brown apparently against infrared   is the best wavelength   interfere.  

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It it could have been an automated AI thing. It could be a guy with a joystick saying, oh, I can see the color blue. I'm not color blind. I can see that's blue. I don't pull the trigger on the joystick to shoot a laser at that house. The frustration   is   that our president, war chief leader, guy just said from the pulpit as a preacher declaring   that   there are righteous people who are in a certain class of people who had foreknowledge   to have blue roofs so their property wasn't destroyed.   Going back to the Kurt Vonnegut story of   do a little bit of destruction, but don't destroy everything.  

War just destroys everything,   and we are   in war   somewhere   on Earth, boots on the ground or Jones in the sky. The war is happening.   So we're all thinking, what's the best possible scenario? Well,   we're under attack,   and if certain houses owned by Oprah and whoever in Maui and Hawaii   were not destroyed.  

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What is that like the new, blood of blood above the door for the fucking   creeping death. It's a blue roof, you know, even with the vert house. That's what we got going on here. Right. But and it could just be on the nose as simple as if you're  

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a democrat and you vote blue and there's a blue wave in the 2024   election,   if you're blue, you won't be destroyed because the blue people are destroying all the other people.   It could be as simple as that. I don't know. Blue screen. Do do do do  

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dabo Don't tempt me to rewrite creeping gas for the the presidential election, but then you shouldn't tempt me with this kind of satanic nonsense.   Creepy.   We could we could   swing the the hanging Chad in there somehow.   Swing.  

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Swing. Yeah. I haven't listened to music once   once I heard,   you know,   different   from multiple people about how there's crazy I did some research into the,   like, the occult, some people would call it, and, you know, black magic and stuff like that. Never practice it, but just and the stuff they would put   into,   you know,   sounds that we hear.   These hidden   frequencies in there.   And once I learned about that, it I just got this bad vibe from music for some reason for years, and I never got back into it the way that I used to. You know, I used to get an album, and I'd listen to it straight through at least 10 times minimum   just to see what songs grew on me and which ones didn't and this and that. And   and now I don't at all. I don't   like,   chief Crow. I have his, and I've done that with his.  

And then, Alex Michael, conspiracy music guru, the one he did in 432.   I love that.   I've listened we've listened to that probably a 100 times   over the last 5 years. Easy.   You know, it's great background   vibe music, but I don't   I don't know. I get a weird feeling about a lot of this stuff, like the CDs and stuff I used to buy in the stores.  

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Right. Like Dark Side of the Moon or whatever, you know, Korn album or metallic album. It just doesn't I had a buddy who went out there. He went to a school of not  

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Juilliard. It was Berkeley in Boston, their school of music,   and   for,   guitar.   And he got his whatever and went to be a music producer out in LA.   And in 3 months, he came back home. Now this was, you know,   really just a good   soul person. You know? I've never seen him hurt anybody. Never seen him be, like, really mean to anybody besides his buddies when, you know, he's picking on him and stuff. Right. Having fun. Yeah. Never mean to an older lady or never rude. Always real polite and nice. You know? Just   and I got a weird feeling when I asked him. I saw him 3 months later. I was like, what are you doing back already, man?  

You're iron working now? You're he's like, yeah. It was just too expensive to live out there. And   and the music, it just it's not as fun as I thought it'd be. This but I got a weird feeling like he was hiding something. Like, he saw something   that just really didn't resonate with him at all, and he wanted nothing to do with that anymore.   Because, I mean, that was his dream job. That was his dream job. And not only that, but he was also he didn't wanna say that part too. Right? Yeah. Exactly. It was like he,   yeah, he didn't wanna say that at all. But I could feel like he wasn't telling me everything. I didn't pry too hard. I was just like, wow. That's kinda weird, man. I you know?  

This has been your dream job since you were, like, 10 years old and got your guitar.  

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You wanna think of that famous hunt. Have you heard that Hunter Thompson quote about the music industry?   They'll find it for us.  

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It's it's that's the problem of any industry. They become   the industry. There's one  

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industry. The music business   is a cruel and shallow money trench.   A long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs.   There's also a negative side.   And there's also a negative side. Yeah. Being a rock and roll musician who's   been affiliated with people who are close enough to the successful people, I would say that it's as bad or worse than everyone thinks.   Like, it's really   it's not a dream to have. It's not something you want. Just like all entertainment.   You know, they gave us sports and entertainment, music and movies as a false dream to aspire to. And if you do get into it, then you're always either sacrificing your soul to the maximum or you're on the fringe edge to level up. You have to make that compromise   that doesn't have anything to do with what you described, Zach, that   the the guy had the passion. It was his love. He had his guitar. He set his goal. I'm gonna go,   you know, I'm gonna become the next outcast or or whatever, the Beatles.  

But, really, that's all just a big false weird lie. You know?  

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Mhmm.  

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And, really, you're being prostituted. You know?  

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I saw Smashing Pumpkins are on tour again coming to Minneapolis,   but then they're touring with Green Day, so   I didn't buy any tickets.  

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So so tell me and once again,   this ends up being   no different than when I was talking about capitalism and communism earlier.   Like, it almost seems like a natural product to the system because you look at, like, podcasting.   As soon as you get popular and you start making a living and being successful in what a person would consider successful and what do they consider to successful,   that you're living   better than the average person based off of what you're doing, you know, as an individual.   Now   as soon as you now start changing your message or doing anything that varies   from what was going on,   you lose a substantial amount of your audience. You no longer are successful. You no longer let's say, especially in today's world,   rather than having taken your success and just used it to spend modestly and get what you could afford at the time, you instead go and get credit. Making the assumption that this,   boon that you're receiving right now from your pop popularity is going to continue.  

And so then   if that starts falling off, well, now you lose everything   that you have not accrued that you already spent. And so now you have to continue down this path that you may no longer align with, but you have to continue doubting it, and you can't even put nuance into it. You can't vary it at all. You can't say I know better, and I I now think this. And because   now all of a sudden you're living in your very,   you know,   existence   that you built depend on this other thing.  

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The hyperreality.   You believed the hyperreality, and then you moved into it and started existing inside of it, and now you become part of the simulacra.   You're not real anymore.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. And unless you're my medicine, I tell everybody.   Nature   is a medicine that   people used to get all the time.  

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It is, man. They don't. That's my first thing I tell them. The Beautiful.   And we've never seen it before, so it was this overwhelmingly   joyous new theme to go like a we hike up to a waterfall, and we had to walk across the stepping stones. We could've fallen in, and then when we got to the actual basin of the big waterfall, we had to climb up the sheer face, and it was muddy, you know, and it was slippery, you know. So it was like an escape room?   Yeah. Yeah. Only one, you know, where where, there's no time out. You know? Like, if you don't escape, then good luck. You know?   Make sure you know what berries to eat,   or just be willing to fast. But but, yeah, that that healing power of taking a long hike, man, is so important.  

And to me, even, you know, you're next to a waterfall that's raging. So then,   it's ionization of the air and the sound and the feeling of the air and, you know, the visual and everything of all that.   Every single tiny piece of that has some   overarching effect on everybody. And there was lots of people there with their kids, so then you're interacting with other human beings even without talking to them. You're just seeing them. You know?   There's not there's not a way to describe or quantify how good that is for you because you're you we're we are mankind in the world.   And so that's what we're supposed to do is be in the world.  

And it it treats you right to be in the world. You know? Even if you just go lay naked in the grass in your backyard. You know? Watch some ants. Something. Yeah. Just make a connection with it out there somewhere. That's the best medicine.   No. They they made it into a corny kinda sarcastic meme to touch grass, but it's really not a joke.   You know?   No. No. So when the windows open in the springtime and dusting everything out and letting the sun hit you in the face is one of the most important things you could do.  

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Mhmm.   Derek, we already planted peas. It's crazy down here.   It's insane. I've never I feel it feels   like alien. I'm from Northern Indiana where, like, May 11th   is the first chance that's the first time you break ground to, like, put anything in the ground.   Yeah. So it's so weird here. It's just  

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And that's that's why we went. We would there's somebody who had, $25   for a whole bunch of these big stainless steel rings that he was selling his planters, and he spelled it wrong. And so I got the listing, and I didn't realize when I sent the guy the money on, Cash App that he was, 45 minutes away. Because I'm just looking at the, like, oh, I want that. You know, we're gardeners. So, like, I want all the silly little planters that are cheap, and we get there and they're big. You know, they're like ductwork.   They're the callers for big   HVAC ductwork. He's just big wrist stuff.  

So my whole car is the back of my car is filled up with them. Well, you know, we did that, and I'm like, well, asked my lady, like, you wanna go on your adventure or do I have to go by myself? And she said, let's do it. So we went out there and got the rings, and it was way out into nowhere. Like, we're driving past farms and hop farms, and you're learning stuff the whole time because we've never been there. Farm Idaho, if you look it up on the map, it's kinda out in that direction. And it's it reminds me of the Walla Walla Valley where Jim is. There's lots of farming, and   we learned that there's lots of hot farms out there. There's all these big,   tall,   like like they make to me, it reminded me of how you grew peas on a wire, only it's like almost 2 stories tall. That's how they grow hops apparently, and I've never seen it. And so it's like, oh, we're learning that there's lots of hops growing out here. There's all these factories and, things, food processing and all these little towns. You know? And we finally get the rings, and then the plan was to do something since we were already on an adventure. So I just looked on the map for where's the hiking area. You know? And so now we've learned about this brand new waterfall,   and we'll probably go back out there again. You know?  



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Yeah. I've learned to   just   kinda have Google Maps as a oh, shit thing now. We'll go you know, we go to where we're going. And then on the way home,   we'll go off the main path   on a road we haven't taken before   and then pass all the roads that we know that run parallel with it and then get out to a different spot and then kinda just let   the thing take us,   you know, in that general direction.   But then kinda, like, veer off if we see something cool over there we wanna go see. Mhmm. I do that too. I don't always use the map to find a location. Just meander.   Yeah. Just meander. It's it'll still tell you which ways, you know, your next one. Leans in it. Home. Yeah.  

Yeah. When I went on walkabout, I decided   I was only doing, like, maybe 50 miles a day.   But all throughout Indiana, I probably touched more   gravel and dirt road   than any asphalt road. Yeah. Cool. Like, you actually walked?   No. It was me and my dog and my truck. Yeah. But that's still really cool to just go. You know? Just cut loose and go. It was fine, man. We went all over the place. We just went we went 1st, we went to, Missouri   to see,   Josh, Corey out there,   and I spent a lot of time in the Mark Twain National Forest.   That was a pretty place.  

Then I went down to Louisiana to see,   Walt,   the other guy over on Iron Works.   And Louisiana,   the alligators,   I was not a fan of camping in Louisiana.   It wasn't  

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Nobody likes camping around alligators. Fuck. It ain't fuck that.  

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Yeah. No.   The first campsite I drove up to,   I got a picture of it. It's like a 6 footer sunbathing   halfway hanging out into the road. There'd be dragons.   Yeah. I was like, hey. Yeah. Hank, we're not staying here. That's you're like food   to him.   I'm food to that thing. Yeah. No. We're not staying here. And I went to another place and camped there,   and it was up on this hill, but there was a little thing of water running like a little creek type thing.   And I'm sitting there looking at Hank, and he's off   the lead and everything. We're just hanging around,   and I see an alligator floating down this thing. And I was like,   nope. Let's go. Get in the truck. We're getting out of here.  

And yeah. No. I didn't   enjoy camping   in Louisiana at all. It was not   I didn't do too much of Florida, but I'm sure Southern Florida would be the exact same.  

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Alligators and water moccasins.   Those two things, I, you know, just not impressed with either of those things.  

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Yeah. No. New Mexico, it was beautiful.   It was cougar country. Didn't see a cougar. I mean, I've lived around big cats my whole life. We have no idea. Drinks? Not a lot a lot of older women?   No. Like, actual cougars. You know? That's what I'm talking about.  

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Right now,  

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didn't see not a one cougar. They said you wouldn't. They said you don't wanna   see one because that usually means you're you just got attacked by 1. You know? You just Yeah. It's not a good idea to see a a mountain lion of any kind. Yeah.  

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Yeah. It's Unless you're carrying your 357, and you got your confidence to take aim and blast it. You know? I had a 9, and it would just piss it   off. Yeah. Even 357 is really not that. It's a that's a bare minimum entry level. Like, I'm gonna shoot a cougar. You know?  

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And then on top of that, you know,   people don't realize when you're scared,   the way you move and react is so not quite the same. And unless you've been in those situations,   and I've been within like 10 feet of a mountain lion,   and   you're not a happy fucking camper right at that moment. It's  

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a oh, shit. No. I told you guys that story   where they they came there was an amusement park in Australia, and it was a half zoo, half amusement park, and they literally had it combined together.   And, I'll make it real short, but we were thought we were gonna see baby tigers, and we were in the bar. And instead, the lady walked around the corner with a fucking mountain lion on a leash.   And, it gave me that feeling. And, I mean, this is a creature that was raised in captivity,   so it's not like encountering 1 in the wild.   But it still gave me that, like, absolute spiritual pain.  

That thing looked me right in the eyes, like like you said, you know, 10 feet. And it was just like   but they just took it and walked around in the park on a leash. Just a lead, like a nylon rope. I'm thinking thinking you guys have no idea what you're doing. Australians are  

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seen one in the daylight. I've only seen them at night. And the main focus   when the light hits their eyes Yeah. It's like it's like   blood red shining.   You're like,   it's not like the red when you see other things. It's not like the green or the blue   of, like, your dog or a deer or something.   It's like this   fucking   this thing is gonna eat your soul red.   You're like, oh my god. What the fuck?  

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Scaredest I ever been.   You would think it'd be the moose   that came walking up on our   along this creek.   It got about 30 yards, saw   us, and then kinda meandered away. That freaked me out because we had Hank and Minyan there.   Me and Chris were sitting at the fire in the morning at, like, 6:30 having coffee,   camping up in the Colorado Rockies.   And, yeah,   big,   female   came walking around the creek. Yeah. You sure weren't an elk?   No. The elk was the the scaredest I had ever been. I was camping, and these elk were walking across the creek, and one of them called out in the middle of the night, like, 1 in the morning. Yeah. That's a weird sound. Right? Dude, I had never heard that. I didn't know. I was like, what the fuck was that? And then it did it again, and I was like, are we under attack? Is were those  

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velociraptor? It sounded like the velociraptor. You don't know the what it is. The noise is that high pitched.  

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Oh my god. I was like, you don't have banshee? What is that? Scary. It's like a bird. Is that a bird? What is that? Yeah. But this is, like, middle of the night. You know? I'm not thinking bird at all. I was thinking that is some paranormal   something or something crazy was coming. Yeah. Freaked me out. And then I open the thing and look out, and one of them was kinda hobbled.   His,   I think it was his right front   or his back right.   And he was, like, howling out,   trying to get the others to slow down or something or whatnot. But, yeah, that woke me up in the middle of the night. I was like, well, that's something I'm probably never gonna see again.   An elk walking by,   screaming,  

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bloody murder in the middle of the night. Man. Yeah. I took pictures of a mama and baby elk one time in, Alaska.   And I knew I was taking a big risk, but I did it anyway. I I hid behind a dead fall tree. They were really close to an apartment complex where we had taken a girl to go back home and get some her stuff. And I saw the baby moose, not not not elk, moose.   You know? I saw the baby moose, and I grabbed the camera. And I thought, man, the mom's gotta be right here somewhere. So I went and hid behind the tree and started taking pictures and the mom just walks out like, what you doing to my baby? Christ. And I was thinking, man, I hope you're not unhappy and wanna charge at me because this tree might not be as much protection as I think it is, and she was so fucking tall.  

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They're huge. Yeah. I got a couple of pictures of some other moose we saw when we were camping out there. Not when we were standing out there. This is from the vehicle.   Like, Bob slammed on the brakes. He's like, do you got your because I had my camera with me at all times. Like, grandma, I was just taking pictures of everything out there. It's gorgeous.   And a bull and   a female  

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came in and ran right across the road in front of us. I got some good shots right there. Wow. Yeah. If you've ever seen a moose in person, it's insane. The first time I've seen one was in an f 250.   And I looked over and the like, that moose's back was about even with my eyes. I was   like, the fuck?   Yeah. And all that those things are   gigantic.  

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I see the pictures of people using them as draft animals?   Yeah. I know. Yeah. That's crazy. Right?  

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Really cool. Really cool. And the first time I heard   sorry. First time first time I ever heard an elk scream,   I was with my uncle and we'd hit a deer.   And we're out front looking at this deer and all of a sudden that freaking elk starts screaming. Yeah. It's because we're in a there was an elk, a farm that had elk just right there.   And we didn't know that. And all of a sudden we hear that noise and we're like, oh, Jesus Christ. What the fuck? What the fuck?   Like, no. We're out of here. Like, that was something's food or something. We're out of here, man.  

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Something is screaming bloody murder. Yeah. It's the weirdest sound I've ever heard an animal make.   Yeah. Freaked me out.  

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And that was To me, the elk is the king of the the mountainside. You know?  

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Yeah. And they get around quick too. They can. They can get around real quick on those mountains. It's amazing.  

[03:20:15] Unknown:

Mountain lions, also   super creepy, super scary noise if you've ever heard it. Right? It's like a woman   or a child or something   screaming like she's   in distress and hurt or something. It's the weirdest fucking noise. It, like, puts all your, like,   hair stand up. You're like, what the hell is that? Mhmm. And   you know? And I honestly the first time I'd ever heard it,   I'd I thought maybe it was like a fox fighting with a cat or something was the only thing my brain could kinda wrap its way around it. Like, is there a fox   fight or something?  

That's some weird noises.   And I go running over and I run past all the animals,   and I got the gun, And I get past all the animals, and they're all okay.   And I'm like,   It's weird.   And all of a sudden, I hear that crazy noise again, and that's, like, right next to me. And I turn and I look, and they're sitting on the hood of my pickup as a fucking mountain lion. Just,   ah, I just scream. And I'm like, god   damn.   Like, and I fired off 3 rounds into the air. I don't know if that scared it off or me shitting my pants. I'm fairly sure that's what defeated it was the scent that I needed to get me.  

[03:21:31] Unknown:

Like,   whoo.  

[03:21:34] Unknown:

That was scary.  

[03:21:36] Unknown:

Yeah. That would be crazy. I've never seen a big cat. I saw 1 bobcat   running   across,   down some railroad tracks.   I was following   my, supervisor to go help her pick something up with my truck.   And that's when I found out, you know, I was, like, 37 that, yeah, there's bobcats all over Northern Indiana.   You know? And I played in the woods a lot. I spent a lot of time out playing in the woods.   Never saw a bobcat my whole life.   They said, oh, yeah. They've been around you your whole life. There's a bunch of them out up in the area.   They're magical. Yeah. You just don't see them.  



[03:22:15] Unknown:

You don't gotta convince me, bro. When I move when I I have, like, an all out war with bobcats for, like, a year   because they kept killing my birds.   And there was times in the middle of the night, like, I would chase them from this side of the farm, and there was a family of them, and they worked in conjunction,   and they just disappear.   And then the other ones, I'd turn around because the birds are still screaming. I turn around and they're coming in from the other side. I'm like, the fuck?   And I do that for hours,   like, at night. Hours.  

I was a real cranky son of a bitch for a while.  

[03:22:51] Unknown:

Yeah. I think we have one out back across the creek   up on the hill. I've seen movement twice of something fairly big. And then by the time I go to focus in on it, it's like either done moving   or it's in a hole or   something. But my we have deer that come up and down through the backyard and everything.   There's, like, a family of 8 of them.   And,   the neighbor said   about 5 years before we moved in, one of the baby deer had gotten attacked by something, and all that was left was, like, one back hind quarter.   And he went for a walk down the thing, came back, and that hindquarter had disappeared.  



[03:23:35] Unknown:

Oh,  

[03:23:36] Unknown:

2 twelves. 2 quotes. This is right in the backyard. And I was like, that's a big something to come up and for for 1 to take the rest of it   and then to come back and just pick that up too and just be like, broom. I'm gonna  

[03:23:51] Unknown:

Yeah. That was scary.  

[03:23:52] Unknown:

I've one time seen a bobcat the size of a dog, a big dog. It's a big ass bobcat. I never seen nothing like it. It was actually reaching up on top of my chicken coop. It's the time I shot a 308 inside the house   because I freaked out because it was on it was literally still touching the top of my chicken coop from the ground.   And I didn't I didn't stop and think. I just pulled gun and just pulled trigger   and freaking   god standing in the house, Like, oh, everybody in the house had tinnitus for a week. Oh, man. That was so bad.   So bad.  

But that was a giant bobcat, but they I've seen really big bobcats. I mean, it's still nothing compared to a mountain lion.   Like,   I mean, I don't think that the one I see was probably more than a £100, but maybe a 120 or something. But it seems like it's a £500   Goliath of a monster when you see it in the dark, you know, at night. And you're like and I've seen it.   One I've seen one right down here by the chicken coop that I chased off 1 night, and that was real horrible.   It's way scarier than a bear. The bear that I chased off wasn't bad at all.  

[03:25:03] Unknown:

You know, it's still scary. I've seen one bear, but he was out on this little peninsula,   and there's probably   45 yards of water   between us.   And then he had a big thing that he had to run around to try to get to where I was, and I was sitting on a porch. All I had to do is stand up and go into the thing. Right. So I wasn't scared at all. We're up in the UP,   Copper Harbor. It's   like Lands' End right at the tip of the upper upper peninsula up there. Nice. Yeah.   Beautiful little country.   Well, I don't know what it is now. That was, like, 25, 30 years ago when we did that. Who knows what it is now? But, yeah, this that is the only black bear I've ever seen.   Saw a brown bear permanently here.  



[03:25:50] Unknown:

He's in my yard right over here. And then when I shot shot spotlighted him, he hid behind this building. And I was like   because I've got a black cow or a black bull. You know, I was like,   why do I feel like that was not my bull? Like and I yelled out to Christie that time. I'm like, Christie.   Christie.   And I made her take the other flashlight because we got these, DeWalt flashlights that are like fucking spotlights.   And we put 1 on each side of that building, and we watched it. And I'm like, there's something hiding behind that fucking building, and I don't think it's VDAR. And sure as shit, when it finally came out, I was a bear. I was like, ah.  

[03:26:31] Unknown:

It's here in Nevada's.   Yeah.  

[03:26:35] Unknown:

Yeah. These guys don't have any brown bears there.   They pretty much keep it regulated.   California is really good about keeping the bear the big bears out, those brown bears.  

[03:26:47] Unknown:

Well, and a bear is more of a vegetarian. It's only really gonna probably go after you if a, it's either starving, which they aren't,   or b,   you're fucking with its fee if it's kids. Exactly. Female and you done stumbled on its kid, then you're in trouble. And it doesn't wanna eat you. It's just gonna maul you and then run away with its kid. Mhmm.   And and it's not gonna be good for you. You won't like it.  

[03:27:12] Unknown:

No. It's gonna be a bad time.   Yeah. Yeah. You there's nothing you do.   It's like a black bear looks at you, and you can get big and tall and make a lot of noise, and it can be like, when a black bear looks at you, it's like,   am I gonna eat you? Are you gonna eat me? Wait. What's going on here? You know? Yeah. The the brown bear looks at you, and he goes,   do I feel like eating you?  

[03:27:41] Unknown:

No. Not right. Take a swipe at you. Yeah. There there is  

[03:27:46] Unknown:

no bag that there there's no fear.  

[03:27:50] Unknown:

See, the high the hierarchy of bears is kind of the opposite when you look at social hierarchy of humans.   Like, if it's a white bear,   real bad, real bad. It will definitely   it's a black bear,   Yeah. Our brown bear. Yeah. It's you know, that's still pretty bad.   If it's a black bear, that's a great that's a good one. That's a good one.  

[03:28:17] Unknown:

I found an article here where a moose attacked a sled dog team in 2022. I never heard of that. That's pretty scary. The lady completely unloaded her pistol   and ran for her life. I guess she lived, and, some of the dogs were injured. But, yeah, that's pretty crazy.  

[03:28:35] Unknown:

Did Disney purchase the rights to that story?  

[03:28:40] Unknown:

Excellent question. I mean, you know, at this point, I would say they probably don't even feel obligated   to purchase the rights to the story. You know? K. They'll just change it around enough to be like, yeah. Call up your lawyer. Sue us.   We'll go to court with you. We're Disney. We like that. We're into that.  

[03:28:58] Unknown:

We've got lawyers.  

[03:29:00] Unknown:

You know, I couldn't believe Disney patented a Norse god. Are you serious?   You put a patent on a that's literally no different than putting a patent on Jesus and saying people can't use Jesus no more. And and they've allowed it to be done to a number of words too, the word heathen.   That one's patented.  

[03:29:20] Unknown:

That's messed up. Over in Europe,  

[03:29:22] Unknown:

if you look, there's a company that a bunch of people because they're, like, LARPers, this company called Grim Frost. We're like, we're Swedish. We're the heathens, but the fuck wads patented, like, the word shield maiden,   a bunch of god and goddess names. I think they patented a seer and veneer.   You know? So,   there was a pub   in   Scotland, I think, called the Shieldmaiden. They had to change their name, you know, and the pub existed longer than Grimfrost.   Yeah. But because they pulled patent, now they now they own those words,   and it's words from a culture. They're cultural words.  



[03:30:01] Unknown:

Liz,   the Iron Maiden. She's one of our regulars over at Ira.   She had to change her Twitter name   or her ex name or whatever from Liz the iron maiden. She couldn't use the word maiden anymore.  

[03:30:15] Unknown:

What's wrong, darling?  

[03:30:18] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Because that's because of the Grimfrost. They patented it.   Mhmm.  

[03:30:22] Unknown:

That's crazy, man. That's crazy. Me, personally, I would be scared   to patent   the word Loki.   Like, you're kinda really begging for it hard   to try to say Begging. I claim   Loki.   Like, I don't not.   I don't claim Loki.   Loki zips on the Grab that dragon by the tail, baby. Grab it. It's the trick it's the ultimate trickster energy. So you'll find out in the long run where that pay it's gonna pay off for you. You're gonna get to keep Loki.   Yeah.  

[03:30:57] Unknown:

Yeah. You're gonna find out that's not that's one dragon you don't wanna grab on to. Ill advised. Yeah. Yeah. Because the whole thing about Loki is is Loki can do anything.   Like, when when people don't understand that the older stories,   the ones before   Loki and the Aseir go fight it out.   When   the are in trouble, Loki's the answer.   He is the fucking answer. Like, when when Thor, he runs around doing his Thor thing. Thor beats up giants. That's what Thor does. 99% of the time, that works.   Sometimes   shit don't work out well, and Thor cannot cut the mustard. And that's when they need to go to Loki,   and he needs to do some weird shit you don't expect at   all. Not a good one to play with.  



[03:31:48] Unknown:

Mhmm. Well,  

[03:31:50] Unknown:

he's that no channel. He's a fascinating.  

[03:31:52] Unknown:

Oh, go ahead, man. If you're gonna bail, we understand. Yeah. Yeah. I'm whenever you wanna pimp, please, Zach. I'm just a couple hours away from my normal wake up time.  

[03:32:02] Unknown:

Oh. Well, we really appreciate you sticking with us so long, Ed. It's a great talk. So Yeah, man. You guys are awesome. This is a lot of fun. Thank you so much for having me. Come back anytime.  

[03:32:12] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for coming, Zach. It was absolutely wonderful.   And I you know, anybody that has not checked out Zach's work, it is   spot on amazing work, and it's things that you can grasp because he makes it graspable.  

[03:32:28] Unknown:

It's it's it's wonderful, and please go check it out. And thank you so much for coming and sharing your time with us, brother. It's Was there a specific way that you wanna direct people to? There's a Vortex puppy channel on YouTube with the great switcheroo video that was mentioned earlier. Is there something else?  

[03:32:46] Unknown:

Not really.   It's been years, like, almost a year since I really put anything out.   Really, like,   the last   I don't know. I have a couple playlists. I have one on electricity,   one on   visuals and perspective, just test and stuff that I've done.   I have one that's called nothing but the gravy where I took Walter Lewin's   MIT classes   that he shared. Oh. And I take out all the nonsensical   mathematical equations and all that, and I just show his demonstrations   and his explanations   of what's taking place.   For his first, like,   I don't know, 6, 7 lectures of his 802 electricity and magnetism   courses.  

So, yeah, if you just share the yeah. Just go check out the YouTube channel.   I'm gonna get back into doing we're gonna get back into doing something. I think we're gonna get into homeschool stuff because that's it's so important right now. You see the the teachers and the stuff they're teaching.   It just it gets me pissed off. It really does.  

[03:34:00] Unknown:

It's very funny to me that the people in the community that I purse, on a personal level, connect with the most are also at the kind of the same impasse that I am at, you know, with I also have not made any content on my own personal content for over a year   and, you know, kinda at this. I wanna keep contributing, but I'm not really sure   where I wanna put that energy.   You know? And it's I don't feel like just doing a podcast is is the place. I mean, doing this, this is a different thing, but my own personal thing just like you on Goldbusters Tech.   So I'd say it's very interesting, you know, that so that the ones I'm connect with personally, I'm are also at the same   impasse.  

You know?  

[03:34:45] Unknown:

It happened  

[03:34:46] Unknown:

Precisely when it's meant to. Right? Yep. Yep. Yep. Exactly.   So Alright. Brother. Thank you. Thank you again, gentlemen. That was awesome. See you, man. Nice luck all. Take care.   Be safe.  

[03:35:01] Unknown:

Did he says he sleeps with a Van de Graaff generator under his bed?  

[03:35:06] Unknown:

Right. Right. With the with the with the,  

[03:35:11] Unknown:

Rife with the Rife machine under his bed. Machine. Okay. That's probably a pop quiz question. What's the difference between a Van de Graaff generator   and a Rife machine?  

[03:35:20] Unknown:

About $28100.  

[03:35:25] Unknown:

And John nails it.  

[03:35:30] Unknown:

The effects are also   less than measurable, the difference. You know?   I mean, I'd love to have a rife machine, but it's just not at the top of the priority list. And to me, it's kinda like other things too where  

[03:35:43] Unknown:

I'm sure Ben would probably get Matt Rife on.  

[03:35:47] Unknown:

That'd be cool. That'd be cool. That'd be cool. Then he could really give us an in-depth if I understood it better, I might be more   comfortable with the whole thing. It's not that I don't believe it works. What even just what Zach just told us what to be was an excellent testimony that he's following the instructions,   and he's not doing anything except for what he's supposed to do, and he sees results in the toilet.   You know? He's pissing. He's loading his body with so much water that he's just pissing clear, and   the calibrations that he's sending into his body with the machine   are making a manifest effect that he can see coming out of his body. You know? So Right. To me, that's like it's kinda like that a lot of people go back and forth with the d what? DMSO stuff. Right? Like, okay. So you get a healing result,   but is that the best possible way is that the ideal way? Okay. So if you're in an emergency situation, maybe it's good to use the shortcut.  

If you're not, maybe it's better to be to get a more subtle result   and not tax the body or not risk taxing things that you can't really see or fully understand. You know? That's the that's the way my brain thinks about this kind of stuff. You know? I I'm totally with you. I'm fully with you on that one. I I I feel like in an emergency, DMSO is  

[03:37:03] Unknown:

wonderful. But short of an emergency,   unless you live in a lifestyle   that   allots that kind of thing, which I personally do not.   I I I'm not against DMSO. I think it's a wonderful product, but I think that there's no cautions,  

[03:37:21] Unknown:

attached to it. I think there should be. Oh, it's really dangerous. That's just it. People don't realize they could really fuck themselves up because it makes your skin absorb whatever's available. Whatever it touches.  

[03:37:32] Unknown:

And like myself,   I went out and I felt real good.   We Christy was,   testing the DMSO in her comfort cream. And I'm sure a lot of you in the audience have, you know, come our comfort creams   super popular. Probably   top you know, either top   our top most popular product or a second top most popular product, one or the other.   And I   so when Christy went, we were thinking about putting DMSO in all of them. So we decided to test it, and we guinea pig ourselves, you know, because it's the only fair way to do it. And,   if you aren't willing to put it on yourself, then what are you what are you doing?  

So I put it on and I gotta be honest, it had me and my back was hurting, but it had me feeling so fucking good, so fast. My dumbass went right out into the forest.   It started doing forest management work and cutting down brush and hauling it and whatnot.   Feeling great.   And then my skin, which was now loaded with DMSO sucked that all the poison oak I brushed up against right into my skin.   And even though I didn't directly touch or grab on to any poison oak, just those brushes as I was walking by it   became effective enough to give me poison oak   10 times worse than I've ever had. My whole face swelled up, my eyelids swelled up, like, I I was wearing full clothes, like, I added Or usually, you would've had to go rolling it to get that effect. But just because you Exactly. Right. You made your skin bigger.  

Exactly.   Yeah. I had it on my gooch. Yeah. I was like, are you kidding me? Oh. You kidding me right now?   I'm like think about that. Oh, dude. Talk about weird because, you know, it kinda feels good anyways when you scratch yourself there, but that's like yeah. No. So you're, like, in this really weird spot. You're like and then also knowing that if you scratch it, it spreads it and makes it worse, so you really can't. That's the hardest thing.   Oh, I scratched my junk so bad.  

[03:39:34] Unknown:

Would you please handcuff me?   Yeah. My hand and just handcuff me. Put the manacles on, please. The worst is when you're sleeping. Oh, Oh, yeah. Because then you scratch automatically.  

[03:39:43] Unknown:

Does that fit under the b, the d, the s, or the,  

[03:39:47] Unknown:

Under all of them.   Oh,  

[03:39:53] Unknown:

no.  

[03:39:56] Unknown:

But, yeah, I would say all those kind of things.   The the body is naturally gonna   put itself through a healing process at all times.   It happens. We all know it happens automatically. Okay? So lots of things we do might help or inhibit that.   So to me, anytime you're cutting corners, whether it's DMSO or the Royal Rife machine or using   supplements   or things like turpentine,   you know, It's not just a given that you should do it, I think. You know?   Yeah. Just a fast would be the   is the most natural thing that any creature can do if you really think you're having a a more serious problem.   You know, if it's something you think will resolve, I don't think fasting is necessarily gonna get rid of the carpal tunnel I have developing in my left hand or whatever it is, numbness. You know, I get numbness and discomfort. It might maybe if I start fasting,   twice a week or something, it might actually make a big difference. But   just to bring it back to that, I think   it's   it's okay to be patient with your body   and to give it   a chance to do its job and not necessarily   jump to cut in the corner or offering it stuff. You know?  



[03:41:10] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. A 100%.   A 100%. This is personally and a lot of people don't realize this about me even though I make really excellent products.   99% of the time, I don't take anything supplemental.   One of the only supplements I take in any way, shape, or form is just magnesium, and that's because I burn through so mag so much walking up and down the mountains   that I'll get leg cramps and whatnot.   But other than that, I don't take supplements at all. I don't take you know, if you aren't   why would the human body not be   short of,   some kind of, emergent situation?  

Why would the human body   not be designed to function off the things   provided to it around it? Why would I need supplements and all these refined things   to be put into my body in order for me to function normally?   My thank you.   My,   my diet,   it should I should be consuming enough nutrients,   vitamins,   you know, lactic or,   different acids, different things like that that my body needs. And then I don't need to supplement anything else. My body's just got what it needs to work. And unless I do something happens, like I go through some kind of an illness or I get some kind of an injury, there shouldn't be any need for me to do any kind of thing like that. And I can even understand, like, even with the   fasting and   the purges and things like that,   for the most part, short of me putting a lot of extra toxins in my body, I shouldn't have to do that very often.  

That that also become ends up becoming very much like the the   anti germ cult where, you know, now all their bodies are always full of toxins, and they're always fucking,   fasting and getting rid of it and everything else. And it's   for the most part, if you live decent, you should your body's  

[03:43:16] Unknown:

meant to be here. Well, true fasting comes naturally. If you all had a flu or a sickness or an injury,   or the eating is the farthest thing from your mind,   You know? Or even just an experience like taking hallucinogens. You know? If you take 2 hits of LSD, you're fasting. Because your body's like, woah, bro. We don't know what to tell you. Definitely don't add anything else in here, please.   You know? The the desire and the ability to eat   is completely turned off when you have a seriously   bad health scare completely turned off. You know?  

[03:43:48] Unknown:

I think that you're right, Ben, except if we were living in a natural world, but we're not living in a natural world. You know? The the sunlight is being blocked out by chemtrails.   And so the things that we would naturally pick up from the sunlight, we're not getting. So people have to take, you know, vitamin d three   supplements   and all kinds of environmental factors that   are changed from what this natural world would be   that we're not picking up that's that could be healing us.  

[03:44:19] Unknown:

I I I don't disagree with what you're saying, Jim, at all, but I also understand that,   we are microevolution   machines.   And if your body wasn't capable of living on lesser sunlight, then how would somebody be able to move from Phoenix to, say, Portland?   And in Portland, you get, you know, like, 18 hours of sunlight a year, give or take.   And,   in Phoenix, you know, the fucking sun's about 3 feet away.  

[03:44:47] Unknown:

Well, nobody lives well in Portland.  

[03:44:49] Unknown:

Right. Right. Yeah. You've you've definitely defeated my logic with that a  

[03:44:57] Unknown:

100%. But, yeah, I agree with that a little bit. Yeah. And I'd say that ties back into the idea that there's not a place you can put your pin in the map and say, this is home. This is it.   You know? It's true that the body adjusts, and it's also true   that,   you know, that you should be able to get it from the environment. You might not. There's a there's a leeway,   and it has to be a personal determination or a process of experimentation that allows you to come to an answer that you're comfortable with.  

[03:45:29] Unknown:

I used to get bad allergies. I lived in Portland. I got bad allergies all the time. My whole   life when I moved to Walla Walla where I was actually born here, moved away when I was 3, moved back here to Walla Walla, and I get no allergies pretty much.  

[03:45:44] Unknown:

I get asthma back home in the spring and in the fall,   and here I don't.   And I and still, if I go back home in the spring or in the fall when they're either spraying the fields with, you know, in the spring and getting everything ready to go for the summer, or they're harvesting everything and kicking up all the dirt and all that, either one of those things, and I suddenly have asthma again.   Yeah. But I don't hear because there's no   commercial ag.  

[03:46:16] Unknown:

Yeah. We were just talking about that when we were driving around out there because there's so much farm community where we were on our trip today.   And it reminds me that Walla Walla Valley is like that everywhere. It's all farming stuff. And everybody that I know that ever lived in   there's nice houses inside the apple orchards. There's lots of apples and fruit farms in the Walla Walla Valley. And there's cool little old, you know, 19 fifties style ranchers and stuff. But everybody that I ever knew that lived out there where they spray all the time got sick. Everybody.   You know, it made them sick.  

And,   so as much as, you know, people are tempted, I tell them don't don't rent that cheap house in the orchard. You don't, you know, you'll get sick. I mean and especially we have kids, I'd really beg them. Like, don't do it, man. That's too many too many people   that we're okay. They're healthy. Yeah. And then they get some kind of sickness. And you don't necessarily put 2 and 2 together and figure out what the hell is going on. You're not thinking, oh, I didn't used to have headaches, and now I do. And they just sprayed the apple trees. Like, the brain doesn't always pick up what's going on. And so then you could be sick for an extended period of time, and you don't wanna do that. You know? And the fruit the fruit orchards are the worst for this because  

[03:47:29] Unknown:

everything wants to eat the fruit.   Yeah. You know, like, you know, your beans, you know, that's it. There's there's limited things that wanna eat your beans. You got some free fucking fruit hanging on a tree,   everything's  

[03:47:41] Unknown:

trying to eat it. Right. The beans do a good job of defending themselves but the fruit don't. To me, fruit is the true natural food of of the earth   because it presents itself to you,   completely ripe and falls right off of the tree.   It tastes good. It's a bright color. It smells good. You don't ever you know, you don't have to put salt or pepper or seasonings or cook it or do anything. It's the most obvious natural food. And it's true, like you said, it's not just the humans that feel that way. All the mammals feel that way. You know, like you said, the black bear just wants to eat berries. That's all he wants is to eat berries, you know? And  

[03:48:16] Unknown:

so then that's the main target. It's the number one food target and everything's after it, you know? I'm telling him Last time we had a bear on the property was when I was doing my making my apple cider this fall. He's like, what are you doing? Yeah. He was sitting right up there. We found his prints. He is sitting right on top of the hill just staring at my house just, hey, dude. I I smell that.   I know what you're doing down there.   Yeah. Oh, like,   they everybody wants the damn fruit, and and it's actually the only thing that doesn't interrupt a life cycle is and so, actually, that was   among some,   considered to be the most,   spiritual   of the diets.  

Because with fruit,   you don't really eat the seed. You eat an apple. You spit the seeds. The seeds weren't meant to ever be sitting right underneath the tree. You've actually helped spread the seeds and propagate it. And so in all and, when you're just eating the fruit,   you're not interrupting any life cycle in any way, shape, or form. That you're just taking the flesh and helping propagate the seed. Right.  

[03:49:21] Unknown:

It's true.  

[03:49:24] Unknown:

Yeah.   But, also, a hard life cycle to, maintain,   you   know,   if you're only living off of fruit because now you've gotta truncate yourself down to   basically melons, berries, and, you know, what we would traditionally consider fruit, like apples and things like that. And those type of things are typically only available in the fall.  

[03:49:47] Unknown:

So, you know, that's a pretty hard fucking system. I know. It jumps to the theory that we're all supposed to be Mediterranean and live close to the equator and then, you know, the fruit's more prolific and more varieties, you know. So I understand that, but I think it's it's always the same thing that it's both. It's never it's never, hey. We're supposed to live in paradise and be in Florida   or whatever, and that's ideal. It's the the challenge exists of the limit   of, like, say the Inuit,   you know, they're not getting any fruit unless you bring it to   them, and then also the paradisal garden, both exist,   and we exist in between both, you  

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know. Well, and even the garden. Now that one's an interesting one because that was actually brought up in the video that you sent me with Thomas and Juan.   And,   that was my question to Thomas because Thomas said   definitively that the,   box saga   is,   a ball earth,   cosmology.   But   my comment to the box saga is I believe   that Eeyore Bach himself   twisted much of his own cosmology.   And I believe probably further his mother and sister, whoever passed it to him when it was supposed to be passed to a girl,   also twisted it. Now when you look at his story,   his story includes a time that Sean just mentioned   that, there was a time when we had 24 hour sunlight.  

Everything was tropical always. There was and and if you ever listen to,   the recordings with   Jim Chesner, who which is Eeyore Bach's, like, number one student,   and apparently sucked his dick the most. So got the most, you know, it's college problems.   Yeah. Yeah. I like that.   I freaking   that guy, he'd be like papaya, mango, pineapple. You know? Did he eat all the seeds? Everybody's just running around eating tropical fruits.   So if you try to imagine 24 hours on a ball, if there's one singular light,   in what way could that ever   24 hours   touch,   shine on that ball?  

Now   if it's flat,   we can do this.   And also in his story, and then at one point, the earth tilted, and that's what caused   this time frame of no longer having 24 hour sun.   If I tilt a ball,   what changed?   I'm tilting. I'm tilting.   It's it's still the same. Still the same.   If it's flat   and I tilt it,   now the what light hits what spots at what times is now And now you get some shadow.  

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Just to be clear, I'm a square flat earther, but this is still a good metaphor, folks.  

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Yep.   And all of a sudden the light changes where it's hitting because   you've moved that one singular surface that doesn't work on a ball. So if his cosmology is entirely ball Earth, then how did he ever have a 24 hour sun with 1 sun,   you know, in around earth. How did that happen? Explain it.   Because I can't I can't make it happen.  

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Well, to me, it only made sense if okay. So they're using Helsinki   as the   the location.   Right. The center point. And so okay. So if But you're just pulling up a ball.   Right. Yeah. But if you're presuming that they're at the top   and that no one's disseminated down into the rest of the thing yet, then in that local area at the top of the of the ball, then you'd still potentially have,   light.   But I don't know. I guess they would have to change the whole cosmology because then the sun and the moon aren't moving the way that we're   at least it doesn't if it is some kind of spherical   system like we were taught in school, it's a far cry from whatever we're used to. It's not the one that we're thinking of with, orbits and ellipse ellipses and all this kind of stuff. So  

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100%. And even when you think about the way the sun's hot, what you just said,   if it was if there's 24 hour sun, it would be like this. But if they tilted it, it would suddenly be like this.   Yeah. You know, it would suddenly go like that instead of like that.   And that's what we have.   It's kinda weird.   So   to me, Jim Chesner or, you are back.   Eworbach, like so many others before him, wanted to use his culture to get his pee pee touched. And so he twisted a bunch of things in his own culture in order to convince young boys to touch his pee pee.   And that's what got him eventually crippled,   and that's what eventually got him killed, and he deserved both.  

And I'm sure that his forefathers   weep at the things that he did to the knowledge and culture that they tried to preserve and pass. And I think that he was probably a super trash person.  

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Well, the the I mean, if you go find the people that are most critical of him, I found one interesting article.   You know, like, there's a there's some reporter over there where he was living that completely came out and,   provided a bunch of information to cast out on everything. That, his name, you know, changed his name and all this stuff, and he had really tragic things happen. He was adopted, and so then he claimed the adoption was false and that they did that to hide his blood lineage to the to the royal family bach. Whereas the reporter said, you know, he found the documentation that showed that he was just adopted, And so he didn't know who his parents was, so that's pretty traumatic on a kid. And then he had a horrible event happen when he was a teenager where him and his best friend were hanging out and playing around with his dad's gun. And he supposedly   shot his friend to death and then later claimed that his friend actually killed himself. This is what Egor Bach did.  

But so what people the the skeptical people think,   he was the he grabbed the gun, horsing   around, and he shot his friend. So then you got 2 massively traumatic experiences in your youth. So then you start to manufacture psychologically a way to survive,   And you remove yourself from that person that was adopted and did accidentally murder his friend, and you create a new person   that has   a different reference point.   And,   so that's, you know, the those things.   Right. Right. They didn't serve those things and   that,   has this deep   knowledge   that gives people   hope and a sense of a center,   grounding a grounded feeling, a connection to something other than the shitty,   history and world that that were given.  

You know? I mean, just what you started to describe with the, looking at the,   heliocentric   model when you're holding your hands up, it made me think, this is how a lot of people fall off of the edge of that thing and get stuck over here in the flat earth area or at least some other cosmology.   You could be   a a we're living inside of a ball, earther, or whatever,   you know, because you start to take a closer look,   and the thing starts to not look as solid. And so you're like, I gotta zoom in and figure this out to reassure myself.   And then for some people, you go, fuck. It's not working. This doesn't work. Right?  

The way that they explained the shadow of the eclipse doesn't work or whatever. You know? You you hit on some point that you can't   reference back to a okay. I accept it.   And now   now your worldview is undermined completely because you don't have a foundational position to stand on anymore. And so Yeah. Someone like Egor Bach, I think offers   actual comfort to people that that have that feeling and maybe they don't even realize how strongly they have the feeling. They know they don't like the system. They don't we know most of us don't like the system. Yeah. They don't like the idea of this system. Even if you're comfortable and you're pretty normal and you live in it, It's not like you're like, woo hoo. This is great. I love this world. It's amazing. You know? That's usually not the feeling.   And so   I think it happens over and over again. It's not just it's   just one example of 1,000 and thousands of people   that offer some kind of reassurance, hope, whatever you wanna call it,   away from the system that we're not comfortable with. Either you know it sucks like we do and you hate it, you think it's stupid and you'd like to change it, or at least you have, some inkling that it's not good. And so then when something else comes up and you resonate with it,   yeah, then you wanna go with that. You know?  

But, unfortunately, like I said, a lot of pee pee touching, a lot of bad stuff involved with a lot of these people that have a different, you know. They say, hey, it's time to drink the Kool Aid or, hey, you know, we're gonna go catch the comet Hale Bopp. Alright. Thank it's Get ready. Put on your your Nikes, and let's go. You know, there's just lots and lots of examples of bad outcomes for people. I do think it's pretty cool out there as an ERBOC naked JPEG on Wikipedia.  

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Not many people can say that they have a nude picture of themselves   on Wikipedia.  

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The thing the other thing though then is, you are you are, like any great guru, stumbled on that had some truths.   Absolutely. And so there are some things in there that are very unexplainable. Like, he knew where this treasure room was, and he knew where the statue of what he says was the first kin finished king   and riding a horse. And this thing's 100 of feet underground, obviously hasn't been seen in, you know, 100 and 100 and 100 of years.   And he knows exactly where the fucking thing is, and they go looking for it, and there it is.   So he had some knowledge,   but I I think, unfortunately,   you know, again,   like   Sean was just saying,   he he's like, yeah. We got the knowledge, and I like that, and I wanna spread that, and I want young boys to touch my pee pee. So,   you know, and then he ends up selling the whole thing down the river for the peepee touches.  

And I think that   some of the things he was saying that he was taught, he thought were too far out of line   with his   modern understanding of the world, so he doctored them.   And I think that's where he got the round earth from, because again,   when you really look at his story and analyze it, it's not a flat earth or or it's not a round earth story.   It it wouldn't even work.   Right? So for him to have put in the round   earth, that that's real specific.   And then some of the other criticisms about, like, the language portions of it, I agree with also where he has the benefit of hindsight, and he could do this little,   game that so many are so fucking fond of. I don't know why. All of a sudden, it's like, motherfuckers, did you not get enough doctor Seuss when you were kids or something? I you know, and everybody resonates with that for some reason. Oh, I really resonate with that. Oh, blue sounds like Lou sounds like, oh, sounds like mister Magoo.  

Oh, mister Magoo is blue.  

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Like Magoo must be the one that's running these lasers on the roofs. Yeah. You know? Doing good job. Fucking Jesus   Christ. Well, I Yeah. You know? It's so I think what you said is right. That that that's,   there's something   naturally in the human psyche   that resonates with this correlation game, and then they they,   either we pick it up and we make a bunch of nonsense for ourself,   you know, and we'll feel better, or they use it weaponized against us and they make it like,   you know, not to throw Jordan Max well under the bus, but, you know, he says some pretty cool stuff. And then if you look into it, he says some pretty stupid stuff too, you know. He's already died. He can't die again. So don't worry about it. You know, I know people like him, and I don't mind that. You know? You have to you have to go with whatever resonates with you. And in this realm of studying mysteries and conspiracies, you always find the thing and you fall in love with it, and you go, I don't know. You look at it a little closer. You go, I don't think I like it. And then a year later, you're like, I'm fucking in, Jordan Maxwell. Pop that line piece of shit, motherfucker.   You know? And this happens over and over again. They're you, oh, man. Ben, I really love Santo Bonacci. And then you're like, did you see Santo's kinda   losing his mind on his side? He's a he's a human being. You know? And He's a fucking jerk  

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human being.  

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But I think what Ben is saying is that it's true that there's some   there's something about the etymology language,   the resonance of it, the pronunciation of it.   There's some little thing inside of us that wants to do that, that,   you know, things   have a   double meaning. The pun I think it's all attached to the punnage, to this idea that dad joke is really at the foundation of everything. That's what I think. And so if you can make things have 2 meanings, that's funny. If you can make it have 3 meetings, that's interesting. If you can make it have 7 or 8 or 9 meetings and it really does, it's not pretend,  

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then that's That's kind of the philosophical. That's kind of the best and worst feature of the English language is the the puns, the homonyms, the words that sound the same, but are pronounced differently or spelled differently, and all the other meanings that a certain word   could have.   That's why it's very poetic. That's why we get into music, and that's why was it Lucifer, the devil, or Satan himself always speaks in rhyme   because it's sort of enchanting and lulling, and then it sort of just goes in circles and circles and circles.   But with the wanting to understand the language,   the language could be the virus itself, and that's how we kinda see reality where   the limitations of the English language compared to something like Sanskrit   or other   older languages.  

And knowing that the English language, the Queen's English, the King James Bible became a foundation for reality,   for law, for so much of where we're at today. And having the double   meaning, sometimes a word could mean the opposite of what people use it in the context of. This just further confuses everything. That's the whole tower of of Babel thing and the sort of solipsism and sort of it could mean what you want it to mean, which then removes the idea of the author's   intent.   So returning to Igor   Bach   specifically   asking if this mortal man, this human guy,   what was his intent for the story?  

And then when he told the story, did his intent   change   with the feedback he was getting so the story adjusted to the listeners because they weren't getting it the first time. So then he tried to to change the words to say it's more like this and this language, and then it sort of  

[04:05:00] Unknown:

diluted the original The way I understood it, he just mostly made him suck his dick at that point. Like, oh, you only get it if you suck my dick.   I wish you were kidding, man. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm not kidding at all. That that that that's the thing. That that was just, you know, it's like People can do it now. This is the thing.   Swallow that knowledge, baby.  

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Get it. There's good there's,   that's the thing is if you look into this, you know, people, they kinda try to step around it. And then Juan and,   Thomas, paranoid American, did, like, a 5 hour stream kinda lampooning and exposing it. But so what's the main thing is that you really can't get around   the core ideology   or a big, big piece of what Eeyore Bach brought forward   was that you have to suck your own pee pee and swallow it and,   either suck and swallow or obtain and swallow other people's emissions. And the women are involved too. They have a little thimble cup that they use to collect the nectar and and okay. So this is pretty far off the deep end, man. This is, oh, wow wackadoo. Could it just could it just be, some level  

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with the way placebos and psychology works to encapsulate it into a strange   cult with rituals and strange taboo behaviors. That's the way the story was preserved?  

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See, I I don't think so. I I, you know, and I I think I like I said, if you look at it,   I believe that   this guy took that story and then perverted it and twisted it because I think so too. Because I mean, there's lots of fertility rights and rituals that are definitely not considered  

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uncomfortable and taboo   because we're so   we're we're painted into the corner that we were bored into. You know? We're coming out of whatever they used to call Victorian society and a really weirdness about sex and all that kind of stuff to where you know?   So then   it it just takes somebody like that to   start fudging it a little bit.   Like you said, moving it in your direction. Okay. So there's some kind of weird fertility right,   and it's a little bit uncomfortable.   But if you fudge it a little bit this way,   then it it it involves your own gratification,   and you do that enough times and and then it becomes,   bad. What's this? Like, everything gets once you take it away from whatever is original and good, don't have to do it on purpose for a selfish motive.  

Just move it away from what's what was original, and you're already having this simulacra simulation thing start. You know? It's like, what's the relationship for me? Of it. His story includes  

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there's an entire order of dudes that nut shot into another order of dudes' mouth.   And then that order of dudes, and we're talking thousands of people. Because in this story, only one person is allowed to procreatively   have sex.   So everybody that's not the bock   is just nutting into the next guy's mouth in, like, this weird human centipede chain of semen.   Until the very last guy who has, like, this   metaphorically   5,000,000,000   loads in his mouth.   You know? He gets to instead of load unloading in some other dude's mouth, gets to go unload in the vagina, which makes one child.   I don't understand where the rest of unless and and as far as I know, one woman   makes you know, even if she has quadruplets,   4 children in a 9 month period, you gotta take about a month off.  

Ostensibly, you get about 1 birth birthing of year   with a maximum of   you know? Yes. There's 30 years. There's women that have had, like, 8 kids. But for all practical purposes, humans, it's 1 or 2 children.   How did your society ever grow   to have these thousands and thousands of people when you're allotted 1 or 2 births a year in your society, and you're all a bunch of cocksuckers.  

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Well, the the to me, it goes back to other things too. Like, what's what was the was the impulse of the human race different?   You know? We all have at least some of this,   creative   impulse   says, hey, something's telling me I gotta get naked with this person and get in bed with him. Yeah.   And so for this to be true, that would have to be different in the past.   Because otherwise you have both things happening. You have this complicated process   involving the male,   ejaculations,   but then what? So   what are we doing about the fact that people have the natural impulse to procreate?   Yeah. Is that that didn't used to be that way and then it changed at some point? Or, I mean, that's probably my guess is Do you ever hear Eeyore Bach when he talks about that? No. I've heard it. I've heard  

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or I mean, Jim Chesner?   I fuck it because I've heard some of his extended ear interviews.   His 2 hour interviews for some reason, not so weird. His 4 hour interviews,   whoo.   It's like it hits the second hour and that dude's like, alright.   Not fucking around now. And   yeah.   It gets super, super fucking weird in them other in them other couple of fucking hours, dude.   And   did you just say you're getting brewed? I'm getting wood. Oh.  

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Speaking of  

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it. I think the, thing with the Twitter link to the paranoid American   status,   I think with x.com now, it requires you to be logged into an account to see things.   There's a few different hoops to jump through to share some of those stuff.   So we'll just reshare the link in our Telegram chat.  

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Which for anybody in the audience who doesn't know I absolutely love Thomas, and, I'm like only times I've been on a show with him, we've debated quite a bit, and I very much enjoyed debating him. That's why I said that I would like to debate him on this subject.  

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Yes.  

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Because he he usually brings very intelligent   reasonings, and it's a whole lot of fun debating with him.   It's not really a debate because a lot of times my debates get heated. So I don't call him a master debater?   I would call him a master debater. Yeah.   And he can take the he can take the the box saga side.  

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A paranoid American master sergeant. A retortable   person. He definitely has studied it thoroughly in the recent past. So he's in a good position   to even if that's not his actual position as a professional   debater,   he's in a good position to argue from that, you know, play devil's advocate.   Hey, Chesna Wright.  

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Does Yehovah have a advocate too in the ring somewhere?  

[04:12:06] Unknown:

Well, that's, yeah, that's Yahoo Yahushua.   That's the advocate. Yahushua.  

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I was trying to Yeah. His  

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his fucking his his fucking,   his,   signature move is the crucifier.   You know, he puts mine in his shoulders.  

[04:12:27] Unknown:

Well, you know, what made me mad is that   Ben Kenobi came and made it simple where he may use a piece of technology   and does the exact same move, but he just pushes a button.   And that's it. And then   the green light turns off, and that's supposed to be as good as the crucifier. Like, come on, man.  

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Oh, let's just share all the clips.  

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Hilarious.   Thomas 8th, box huddle. We we know. We know. Oh, no. No. We weren't expecting him to stand up for box hoggle.   Hoping that someone will clear through the links. Saying that by no. We're all made fun of box saga all the way. He is saying that that's a round earth cosmology, and it has to be because of something, and I can't remember what he said his reasoning was. And Thomas always has fairly logical reasoning. And I and I'm saying that the 24 hour sun and the earth tilting are obvious statements that it was a a flat earth cosmology because if you fucking tilt the ball, what difference does that make?   How does that change the amount of sunlight and how does it ever be 24 hours on a ball ever?  



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It's a good question. I I I just understood   the his part on that to mean that because   Eeyore Bach or whoever his accolades are were saying that that's what they were using was a typical,   heliocentric   model, that they were giving them that as a given.  

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Well, that's Even though I already gave them a of writing science fiction or fantasy where   in you don't want to include  

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Did you stop it, Nick? You don't know.  

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It's like you can only have one element that is going to stretch the the reader's   mind. If it's like   the shape of the earth and then gravity and electricity, just too many different things in the story,   then the story is just you can't get through the story because you're agreeing or disagreeing with so many different things.   So with the box saga, just if if he was just trying to get his dick sucked, then he and he couldn't debate flat earth or just the cosmologist  

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just okay. Let it be a global earth for this instance so I get to the end of the story, please. Back then in the 19 eighties or whatever. Like, you don't wanna try to introduce flat earth if you try to  

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these people. You wanna stick with what everybody Well, you know, if the information is just being passed through your semen, then what, you know, what difference does that make? Like, you should have gotten it anyways. Like That's not how you get your picture. You're not I will get it. I will Wikipedia.  

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Oh my god. Who wants to become a living sex  

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Oh, we're we're 4 hours 15 minutes.  

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Oh, fuck. That is a good one. Funny how how that actual trope actually exists in other,   cults also where if you have sex with the cult leader, there's other cults where specifically that's where how you reach enlightenment, you know, because of the cult leader has   inseminated inside you and through his semen, you have, you know, got gained enlightenment.  

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And, it's really common in the bad, you know, in the the Indian guru cults. It's really it's common across the board in cults that you know? Like,   we're supposed to go all be chased and pure except that I have to bang everybody's wife because I'm the cult leader. You know? It happens all the time.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. To me, this is just a arrow pointing in the direction of understanding that your passions,   whatever they are, whatever you know you have a feeling about, like, oh, I'm gonna go downstairs and eat 2 more cookies. Like, I gotta put that check. Otherwise, the cookies are gonna own me, and that's true about everything. And the most extreme passion is always sexual in nature.   And so if you can't check and identify your sexual passions, then you're in a bad way. You're gonna be in trouble.  

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I'm just saying why does this only work for enlightenment? Like, you know, you can't just go give a few blowjobs and you've got you all of a sudden understand nuclear physics.  

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This may be we may that, you know, god bless Egor Bach. Maybe he cracked the secret, and this is really why there's so much weirdness at the top   is that they're hiding. The truth is we gotta everybody's gotta blow each other. That's the only way we're getting this technology. There's no aliens.  

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There's no secret. You know? Just need I mean, I noticed that there was not a whole line of chicks that could play the guitar just like Jimmy Hendrix. You know?   So  

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I   mean   I mean, to to me, that was the most I didn't know that part when Thomas and, and   Juan Ayala went over it, that the ladies have their special thimble,   and that they they they get to participate on the female salsa.  

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Don't forget the carrot, the special carrot.  

[04:17:28] Unknown:

Pretty pretty far out. I'm glad that we were able to go ahead and cover the box of, here on Weaving Spider's Web so that we don't ever have to quite talk about it again after today.   And,  

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Well, obviously, though, outside of that part, I do believe that there is some nuggets   in there   to be had. And he's got some very valid things that get said.   And then   even the sexual right portion of it.   If we look at the way the if if we take the world or the the universe as a Galvanic cell,   the way a Galvanic cell then works is   whichever cell is the most,   anodic   is the one that feeds the next cell to it. And then when that one depletes, it feeds the next cell. And so depending on how many cells,   one cell eventually is considered the cathode.   But when you break it down, there's, like, say 20   cathodes and anodes inside that battery, and it just is a series   that builds up until you have 1 cathode and 1 anode.  

And so but in in inside, there's a whole bunch.   So when you look at the way that, like, say, if you're looking at the the universe as a battery,   the,   the most cathodic, which would be Uranus,   and then Saturn   and so forth,   would feed each other. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Until the very last one was the moon. And then the moon is the only one that actually feeds that actually impregnates the sun.   And so   there is if you took some of the weird shit he put into it out of that there is some subtle beauty to be had where I can   see where I can match some of these things that he's saying with universal   actions.  

I just don't like where he took them.  

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Where would you have taken them instead?  

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Not into getting my dick sucked by a bunch of dudes.  

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Well, I thought that was a given.  

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Yeah.  

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Give it to top out with the obvious answer. That's not what I mean. That was I'm not sure where I would have ended up taking it, but that is not where I would have taken. I know where I would have been. Exactly where you would have ended up taking it, but I don't think we have time tonight at 4 hours   and 20 minutes to move into Ben's absolutely exceptional cosmology of the heathen universe that he's been creating as far as I know as long as he's been alive and thinking about it. So   we're gonna have to save that for a different day where we can talk about why the heart is more important than the dick.  

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But you need both of them working together.  

[04:20:40] Unknown:

Well, they're both you know, one's shaped like a heart and one's not.  

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So for some reason, this isn't on YouTube anymore. We are also on Rockfin   and archiving  

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audio. I did it without being told.  

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We are working to archive the audio and the video to   Rockvendchel. It should be there   if it disappears.  

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So we're no longer live?   We still   are. Oh, wait. Okay. I have an important announcement to make then. Mhmm. I did an episode,   with Emily Moyer. If you go to Emily Moyer,   Rockfin.   It's only available temporarily on Rockfin for free. Or, actually, it might be she might have allowed it to be free on Rockfin   indefinitely. But   originally, she only,   allowed this to be published to her subscribers. So she did us a favor and she made it free to hear me and Emily talk about, all kinds of crazy stuff.   Then you need to go over to Emily Moore's Rockfin. Maybe I'll try to find the link. I'm glad I remembered because I almost forgot.   And that she was so kind to remind me that she was gonna do this.  



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I will be watching it. We all love Emily, and I will definitely also look for this box saga song. We love you, Chaney.   And I definitely wanna hear this box saga song that, Thomas made. I actually have a   one on one getting ready to drop, and I've been real stingy like a fucking like a fucking Scrooge   about giving out interviews.   But I slept   through an interview.   Thanks to Michelle   from Michelle's Healy Home. Shout out to Michelle and her mugwort,   which made me had such a vivid dream, and I don't even ever dream. And I instead had a dream that was so vivid during a nap   that I thought I did the entire interview.  

And so I went back and then I did an interview with Juan. But other than that, I've been a stingy bitch about interviews.   But, yeah, Emily's the shit, and I can't wait to hear this.  

[04:22:42] Unknown:

It's a strange episode.   It's right on her   Rockfin home page, I think. Yeah. It's the number 1,  

[04:22:49] Unknown:

BLT. Dropped the link. I'm gonna put the link over here in our telegram also. If you haven't joined us in the telegram, please come on over. And we're gonna ask you right now to do us a small favor as we, approach the end of the stream. Please,   go on your social media and send a private message to your mom, your cousin, your sister, anybody you know for sure has a YouTube account that they use sometimes   and say, hey. Do me a favor. Our friends over here on the Weaving Spider's webs are just about 5 or 6 subscribers from breaking that milestone,   1,000, the millennial mark. And so if somebody wants to just come on over and hit a few more subscribers for us, then we'll, throw the confetti. We'll blow the horns.  

We'll post lots of emojis. We'll high five when we see each other in person, and we finally got this channel over a 1000 subs. And, I shared it out on my Twitter. I thought I shared it on my Facebook, but I'm not seeing it there, so I'm gonna try to share it again. And remember on Facebook, put the link in the comments, not in the main body of the post. Otherwise, it gets shadow banned. And, maybe we can get over   a thousand on, Weaving Spiders webs.   And thank you, Jim, for supplying all this time to get us all the way to 1,000 with the Weaving Spiders webs channel and these deep interesting,   sometimes ludicrous conversations.  



[04:24:06] Unknown:

Well, I love being here for all of it.  

[04:24:18] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I figured we'd be to 10,000 if it wasn't for the way they run this shit, but, hey, it's whatever.  

[04:24:24] Unknown:

10,000?   Dude, the one time that they let us slip out of the algorithm, it didn't throttle us. We were had, like, freaking,   like, hundreds and hundreds of people in the live chat, and that had, like, 5,000.   And if we would have done that, say, 3, 4 weeks in a row where all of a sudden a bunch of new people hey. These guys are cool. We've never what the fuck? Where'd this come from? And that happens 3, 4 weeks in a row. We're at 10000 in a month.   This is bullshit.  

[04:24:52] Unknown:

I think that was our first dream on the new channel.  

[04:24:55] Unknown:

It was indeed.  

[04:24:57] Unknown:

Yep. With Emily Moyer.   Emily Moyer. Nice.   Weave   complete.  

[04:25:07] Unknown:

And just like symbols full of ancient knowledge, we live in your mind.  

[04:25:14] Unknown:

We do. We're pretty comfortable there.