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We are back after a short break with a deep dive into the world of Nostr relays — what they are, how they work, and why they matter.

Stick around to the very end for a new v4v track, “Daydreamer” by Ainsley Costello!

Bitcoin  Price at Time of Recording

March 26th, 2025: 86,900 USD | 80,800 EUR

Block Height at Time of Recording

889,569

News and Notes

France Rejects Back Door Mandate
Auradines 2U Hydro-cooled Miner
Argentina Introduces Crypto Regulations for Service Providers
Gamestop to Create Bitcoin Treasury

https://nostr.how/en/what-is-nostr
https://nostr.com/
https://nostr.wine/
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips

Software Updates

Ditto v1.3
Eclair v0.12.0
Zeus v0.10.0
Bitcoin Safe v1.2.0

Episode Page

https://satoshis-plebs.com/episode-202

Music Credits

Ainsley Costello
Daydreamer

Website

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McIntosh can be reached by email at [email protected] and on Twitter at @McIntoshFinTech. His mastodon handle is @[email protected] and his Nostr.  Kenshin can be reached on Twitter at @kenshin_ninja or on Nostr. Kenshin’s email is [email protected]. You can also follow the Satoshi’s Plebs podcast account on Nostr. We are looking forward to hearing from you!

We are looking forward to hearing from you!

[00:00:00] McIntosh:

What is up, Pleb Nation? Today is March,   and this is episode two zero two of Satoshi's Plebs. I'm McIntosh.  

[00:00:07] McIntosh:

Hi. I'm Kenshin, and today's episode is Nostril Relays.  

[00:00:38] McIntosh:

Terrific. Man, it has been a bit. I feel like we took off the summer, and it's only been one week,   two weeks Yeah. Since we recorded.   How are you, sir? Before we I'm good. Well, hey. You know what? I'm screwing everything up. Right?   You give me a week off, and I can't I can't even read the menu.   Good lord.   Alright. Let's do this, and then we'll talk about that. We are rusty. Bitcoin price as we record $86,900,   It dropped down a little bit this morning. It's been very choppy.   Look. Same stuff. Same thing. We don't even need to talk about that. And we are at €80,800   at this point. Oh, gosh, man. You okay. That's it, Macintosh.  

I do not get any more time off. I can't remember anything.   It's, like, literally right in front of me. I'm so sorry.   We'll get better. Hey. We've got a new stat we wanna do, and I want you to do that, sir.  

[00:01:40] McIntosh:

Yes. So we thought why not,   mention the price of last year, this time last year. Right. So this time last year,   69,990   USD   compared to 86,900   USD.  

[00:01:56] McIntosh:

So   So we're up.   Yeah. Not so much up, but we're up. Not so much, but still up. And that's the thing about Bitcoin. You know,   we get these kind of big jumps from time to time.   You never know when that's gonna happen. And that's one of the reasons why it's so important that rather than trying to trade this mess   or buy in at what you may think is the bottom that you just DCA. Don't worry about it. I promise if we went back four years, it'd blow your mind. Maybe that's actually what we should do. You think?   Maybe both?  

I mean, I don't wanna fill all this up with, like, historical data, but you go back four years.   Ten years ago.   Alright. What's the Bitcoin market cap, sir?  

[00:02:43] McIntosh:

So Bitcoin market cap, 1,700,000,000,000.0   USD.   K. And if we compare that to gold,   gold market cap is at 21.1,   and that means that Bitcoin is 8.1%   Right. Of the gold market cap.  

[00:02:58] McIntosh:

So gold is actually at an all time high or very, very close to it. Bitcoin, of course, is not. We're down a little bit.   We'll see where that goes from here, but,   now we're 8.1%.   So we're almost to 10%, kinda trying to claw our way up there.  

[00:03:16] McIntosh:

Yeah. We I've been tracking that for the past couple of weeks. We were between seven point nine and eight point three percent. So we are  

[00:03:24] McIntosh:

following gold or gold following us or each other. And if you look at a chart, that's that's well, they're both hard assets in a world where things are being inflated away, and it's about to get worse. Gold is a   can be a measure of inflation. I would argue that for twenty years, it was not, but it certainly has been. Recently, it has woken up,   and looks like we're kind of off to the races with that. What's our block height? Not so that we don't get too deep into that.  

[00:03:54] McIntosh:

889,569.   Yes. And difficulty adjustment,   we are at plus   5.4%   predicted for the next  

[00:04:07] McIntosh:

ten days. Not good. We hope that comes down.   And our previous was 1.43%,   so we did have a a small hike there just a few days ago. So we are a ways off, obviously.   What's that? Two weeks   roughly until the next one. So I do hope that that number comes down because, of course, that directly affects   my minors.   And then for the mempool,   things I I it's pretty much the way it's been for weeks at this point. $2.02 and 2 sats per v by about $24.25   cents for a transaction.   I've taken advantage of that. Just did last night twice actually with some mining transactions   I had to take care of.  

And about a 25   megabytes of unprocessed transactions, so about a 16,000   transaction   kinda backlog right now. That's not Quite healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Quite healthy. Quite healthy. So   I jumped the gun earlier, but now,   what has been up with you for the last two weeks? Let me guess. Let me do something psychic. Hold on. Hold on. I feel it. I feel it. You didn't mine a block.  

[00:05:18] McIntosh:

No.   No. Every morning.   I haven't mined a block yet.  

[00:05:26] McIntosh:

You know, it's funny because I see more and more of those   getting mined   by solo miners. It's crazy. I think there's been two in the last week.  

[00:05:38] McIntosh:

I haven't been seeing those. Where where do you see those? Where am I seeing it? Twitter. It's Twitter.  

[00:05:44] McIntosh:

People spray it all over Twitter. Yeah.   I   I hope it's not, like, repeats, like, somebody recycling it. I need to verify that.   When I see the next one, I'll I'll send it to you.  

[00:05:57] McIntosh:

Yeah. Please do. Because one time that I looked into it a bit deeper, it was by a solo miner   that had, like, a crazy amount of hash power.   So even though it was mining on the solo mining pool, it was still  

[00:06:13] McIntosh:

Oh, that's yeah. That's if somebody has   oh, gosh.   Well, let's say an exahash.   Okay? Mhmm. If I had an exahash,   I would consider solo mining,   because   what that means right now, Ocean   is at about six exahash. Now an exahash is a lot of mining power, but there are people who do that.   Every   six   day well, basically, one per day, we mine a block   with six x a hash. Okay?   Right now. So that would mean if I had one x a hash, in theory, I should be mining a block every six weeks.   So you, you know, you gotta plan ahead,   but I'm able to do that   and   say, oh, I need to set aside x amount of money for   for the electricity,   right, for the hosting, that kind of thing.  

I would do that. But with the amount that I have, it makes no sense for me because I'm paying out a decent amount of money in electricity cost.   I can't wait six or twelve or twenty four months or longer   to mine a block. I mean, it it just doesn't   I it it would I would be divorced   and living on the street, and   I don't know. You know? Not a good situation.   So Yeah.  

[00:07:40] McIntosh:

Yeah. My situation is different because they're just tiny miners. So Right. I can't afford the loss of electricity right now.  

[00:07:50] McIntosh:

Oh, man. Kenshin's gonna mine a block one day, it's gonna be an awesome   day. Alright. What else do you have going on? We need to move on from that.  

[00:08:00] McIntosh:

No. I've I keep,   it's been a week of changing or considering to change my   technology   stuff around. So   I switched my browser   just Game. These days.   I had the Chrome based browser, and now I'm back to Firefox based browser. So it's a big change in that sense, new extensions to find in this and that.   But it makes a big difference on my,   on my desktop at least.   And then I switched to Mullvad,   VPN,   and that was a really fun discovery,   yesterday, actually.  

[00:08:41] McIntosh:

Do they,   take   Bitcoin?  

[00:08:45] McIntosh:

Yes. Is that right? Okay. I thought so. Mhmm. So I I will talk you into the process. Okay? Are you ready? Mhmm.   You press a button.   It gives you a random   customer number,   and you're instantly logged in with that.   You just copy that number somewhere. Right?   You're logged in to the interface.   You press Bitcoin lightning invoice.   You scan the code. You pay I paid 5,000 sats for one month. Okay. Done.  

[00:09:17] McIntosh:

So $55   essentially for one month. Yeah. One month. And you have completely anonymous   VPN that there's no way that they could ever figure out Yeah.   What was going on there. Very cool. I wish more stuff was like that.  

[00:09:32] McIntosh:

Yeah. It was very seamless. I I really like it now. So   and, yeah. I'm considering to format my phone after almost two years.   It's been   slugging a bit, and every time I go back to the home screen, I see it takes time. So it   completely empties the RAM,   or   the RAM is full all the time, I would say. So I don't know. I I use it too much. Maybe I need to format it and freshen it up because in the beginning, it was super fast.   But yeah. So it's a bit of technology cleanup,   or, yeah.   How do we say?   Freshening up lately.  

[00:10:15] McIntosh:

Right.   It seems like I'm doing that kind of stuff. I I have a feeling well, let me finish what I was saying. I it seems like I'm doing that kind of thing all the time. I have a feeling you are too. You seem like the kind of person who   you just can't. You gotta tweak things. Right? Yes.  

[00:10:33] McIntosh:

I don't want to, but I end up on a Saturday night every time looking for my team to stop. 3AM going, why am I switching from  

[00:10:41] McIntosh:

Chrome to Mozilla?   What? Because I can't sleep.   Yeah.   Oh, man.   Alright. So   we we did take a little vacation last week. Kenshin was out on a work trip.   My family   it was spring break, for once,   and I don't know how long all the spring breaks are lined up for my kids. And all the kids except one,   went with my wife and I. We went,   to Chattanooga, Tennessee, which if you're on the Southeast, I would I would highly recommend   as a place to go.   It was really enjoyable. We did some hiking.   I was gonna show you a picture we took, Kinshen,   on the it was, what was that? Lookout Mountain. It was called   Sunset Rock   is the name of the rock that that my wife and I are sitting on. Now you gotta understand we hiked   a mile and a half,   two miles, about a mile and a half, I think, to get to this rock, and it wasn't in a straight line. It was over   you know?  

Well, I took another picture   of some steps that we had to climb, these rock steps that were just, like, into the hillside. It was crazy.   A lot of up and down.   It was well worth it, though.   We we did   that. We did some other things. We actually went to this place. I'll say this real quick. I hope I get this right.   Falls   Creek.   Oh, man. It's got this crazy name.   Hold on.   So you're not stokes in yourself, are you? No. I'm not. I'm not at all. So we also went to this place called Fall Creek Falls State Park. This is the highest   or not the highest, the longest drop of a waterfall   East Of The Rockies.  

It was like 256   feet.   Just look it up, Falls Creek Falls. There's some falls.   That's another place where we hiked, and we hiked from the top down to the bottom. This one was actually worse. I did not enjoy this one at all. It was a really nice waterfall,   but that hike was brutal.   But, again, you know, we did some horseback riding. We did these hikes. We just we had a good time. I mean, honestly,   I tried very hard. I didn't well, I tried very hard.   I did not actually do any   Fiat work.   I did do some other stuff a little bit, but not a whole lot.   And so, it was just a good chance to unwind. Other than that and I've completely lost my notes, Kenshin.  

There they are. I've been working on building the infrastructure   for   for us. I did get the lightning node running. We had it I didn't have an issue with core. But to use helipad, which is another tool I want to use, I'll explain it in just a second. I needed to run   the,   the l and d lightning node. Okay? It's by another company.   It's tomatoes tomatoes as they would say. It's really all the same.   Whatever. So I set that up. I also set up the helipad program. So this is a cool program. They talk about it on the podcasting two point o show a lot. One of the listeners built it.   And it allows   what it will do, Kenshin,   will be able to log in to Helipad   and in real time see the streams and the boost come in. It will give us a nice display   so that we can see what's going on on our lightning node.  

Okay? That's awesome. Yeah. Messages, all of this kind of stuff. It's some really cool things. It's a project that I would like to contribute to in my own little way, if at all possible.   And I am probably one of the few people who set it up the way that I did. I set it up in a Docker container   on a VPS,   not on my Umbrel because,   I don't even have an Umbrel anymore.   Our Umbrel, when I run it here locally,   our cable company stinks, and we can't get, like, data out. Okay?   So it's a real problem for stuff like   this. So I just try and do this kind of thing up on a VPS. It's slightly less secure   because it's not on my local network, but it's a compromise I I guess I'm willing to make because I'm doing it. So   alright. Enough about that. Now that we're halfway through the show and Kenshin and Macintosh have talked about their stuff, what are we actually talking about today?  



[00:15:29] McIntosh:

We're well, we are talking about Nostril release today. Okay. So we thought to give,   like, a follow-up to the Nostr theme   that we introduced on was it episode one ninety five now? We mentioned before. It was the infamous episode one ninety five. Right.   So now we'll we'll learn which one it is.   And,   so now we we thought to actually,   describe a bit more in detail how Nosler works and especially how it works with the relays because that's the whole point of no sir. It has   relays and it's on in the name. Right? It's no sir, the last r Mhmm. Comes, means relays.  

[00:16:11] McIntosh:

Do you know the whole name, by the way? Well, I have it right here, so I don't remember these kind of things. But I will say it's notes and other stuff transmitted by relays. I can always remember the notes, and then from there, I'm like, yeah. Whatever. I don't know. It's Nostra.  

[00:16:28] McIntosh:

I I like the other stuff part. It always sounds so funny. What does that mean?  

[00:16:34] McIntosh:

Yeah. It it is fun.   But, yes, transmitted by relays is a very important part of that. It's what brings about some of the benefits   of of Nasr. And I think maybe we should talk start right there.   Yep. Well, very briefly,   what actually is a relay, and then let's talk about the benefits that that brings to Nasr.  

[00:16:55] McIntosh:

Right. So a relay basically is is a server, essentially.   So for example, how is,   the Twitter and any other company, Facebook, etcetera, they have one server?  

[00:17:08] McIntosh:

Right.  

[00:17:09] McIntosh:

At least   we call it one server.   It's essentially, they control one,   database, let's say.   Relays is multiple of those type of databases   essentially.  

[00:17:22] McIntosh:

Right.  

[00:17:23] McIntosh:

And they don't belong to one person. I can have a relay. You can have a relay. A company can have a relay,   and all of them   can exchange information,   have the same information or different information.   And,   your clients,   which means your app,   so it can be Danlos,   Amethyst for me,   Primal.   So instead of having one app, like,   Twitter has one app only,   we can have multiple apps and they talk to those relays.   And  

[00:17:56] McIntosh:

We see cases   where,   the app actually runs their own relay.  

[00:18:01] McIntosh:

I believe Primal does that. Right? Yeah. Primal has their own relay. Yeah. And demos, actually.   So those two are quite popular relays, and I use both of them in my   app by default, actually, on Amethyst. Okay.   Great. Because they are the most popular and   yeah. Then you're   sure that   everybody sees the same notes in that sense.  

[00:18:25] McIntosh:

These relays are obviously a very core component of nostr. So   let I wanna start with kind of the benefits that they bring because they certainly do.   As you eloquently described already,   relays bring this decentralization.   With Twitter,   you log in to Twitter, you use the Twitter   stack.   With relays, I can run my own relay or I can use primals or I can use some random relay on the Internet.   It does not matter.   It might change my experience,   but I'm still accessing the same general   pool of   of Nostr.   Okay?   So it both decentralizes   and allows you don't have a single point of failure.  

Right? When Twitter goes down, Twitter goes down. Everyone's off.   When one relay goes down as they occasionally do,   nothing because   your average app or whatever is going to have multiple   relays   configured, and it'll just kind of gracefully fail from one to the other.  

[00:19:35] McIntosh:

Yeah. Exactly. And that's a key point. So your client and my client can connect to   it can it can be one relay, but   usually it's multiple relays. So usually it is around   five to 10.   So if one of them goes down or is slower or whatever,   it doesn't matter.   And when I send a message,   my message is   sent in,   at the same time to all those relays that my app is connected to. So that message goes to all those, let's say, 10 relays,   and you are requesting   to read messages from, let's say, five of them. So you see my message.   And if any of them goes down,   it doesn't matter still because   the rest take my message and for you, the rest read my message again to your,   client.  

So   that's the decentralized part and,   how is it called that you said? Yeah. If one goes down.  

[00:20:36] McIntosh:

Right. No single point of failure. Yeah. Exactly.   Which I'm in the database field as I mentioned before, and that single point of failure type thing is actually really important in my line of work. So it's something I understand   very well.   A second thing that it provides for   is certainly censorship resistance. Right? No one can control   what relay that you are using,   that you choose, that you rely on, anything like that. If you don't like the relays that are out there, you can spin up your own and put your own content out onto the nostr   ecosphere   using that relay.  

And another thing,   I wanna throw in   well, along with that censorship   resistance,   there's you don't require permission. I think these two things really go together.   You can spin up your own relay. You do not have to rely on primal amethyst or any of these other,   apps or   whatever to to provide that relay. If you so choose, you can do that. There's no permission   required.   And then, of course, they are all operating off the same protocol.   Now my relay may have different features than your relay, and we'll talk about that a little bit as we go through this. But the same basic protocol is being used across the board. So that   creates what we would call interoperability   between   these relays. They can and they can and do talk to each other. So So we'll we'll be discussing that in more depth as we go along.  



[00:22:11] McIntosh:

Right. Next, we have,   so we talked a bit,   about how this was how Relays fit in this whole system. So we said we have the clients, your, your app and my app. We have the Relays   where we also have the users. So a small   topic for the user support.   So users like you and me, we make an   account and essentially we   we make   a public key and a private key.   And that allows us that pry essentially it's like a username and a password. Right? Right. Public key and private key. So the private key,   you have to save it like a password and don't share it with anyone.   And how it works is every message   you send to Relay, you sign it with the app automatically. You sign it with your private key.  

So that means that this is your note and it's signed by you.   So that also adds to the,   let's call it authenticity   that those are your notes   and they cannot really be impersonated   in some way because it's signed with your private key. Unless if someone steals your private key, obviously.   But this is how   notes exist   and are saved on those relays as well. They are assigned,   with private keys, and it adds to this whole,   yeah. I don't know how to call it, but,   it's more authentic   than than having   just some data in a server for Twitter, for example.  

[00:23:50] McIntosh:

It goes back to some of the stuff we were just talking about. It gives you the portability. You can move from   client to client or system to system   just by copying your insect, your private key.   Right? And when you log in,   you're you should see roughly the same well, you should see the same exact information. It depends on what that client has implemented. But,   you know, in general, it's going to give you the exact same   setup.   So it creates that portability.  

[00:24:24] McIntosh:

Correct.   And as you say, those clients, they can look differently and it's a decision they they make usually. So some clients, they focus only on short notes. Right.   Those event,   one,   notes as they called.   So this is a pure just like a Twitter   short note. And then you have other   long form notes,   and there are clients that are customized for that. So they show, like, articles,   or blog posts.   So   they specialize in those type of notes.   And some clients can hide those, and some clients can only show those Right. Or have a mix of them.   And again, all those live on relays,  

[00:25:10] McIntosh:

and and they have all the information in there. Oh, let's see. I I have it. There's an app that's   that's really   targeted at pictures, Olas, o l a s. Correct. We have talked about that one before.   And I did you? I think you may have mentioned it, but not by name. It's like an instant   Instagram clone. Did you actually say the name of it?   Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I'll just cut that out.   Apologies. No. No. No. You said it. No. You said I didn't say Olas. Olas is the name of it. And Yeah. It's a little rough around the edges right now. But, honestly, I think it's got a really good future as as kind of a I hate to call it an Instagram clone, but that's what it is. I mean, it it looks like Instagram.  

[00:25:58] McIntosh:

Yeah. That's that's what they   promoted as also the Right. Developers. So that's no secrets.   And   and it's it's also an exercise. Right? Can we make a Twitter clone? Okay. Yes. That was the first thing. Now it's like, okay. Can we do an Instagram clone? Okay. We can do that too.   Like a Wikipedia clone.   What is it called? This,   like Slack or, you know, Slack clone. Yeah. They can so they they try all those different clones, and they are based on different,   technologies   in the back end on Nostr.   And that connects to this,   NIP,   that they have, which is,   I forgot it again, Macintosh.  

It's the Nostr   Implementation   Possibilities.   Oh. NIP.  

[00:26:49] McIntosh:

Right. Which in my head, every time I hear it, it's always protocol   for p. I don't it's just I don't know. It's just the way my head works.  

[00:26:58] McIntosh:

Yep. So those notes are implementation   possibilities.   They describe   what,   or how you can structure those notes   in order to be read by relays   and distributed to clients and how clients can show,   read those notes and show,   yeah, the content  

[00:27:21] McIntosh:

in them.   Very cool. Alright.  

[00:27:26] McIntosh:

So we also have,   different types of relays.   We, for example, have public relays and private relays,   and it's as simple as that. So public, we we can all connect to those relays and   post notes and read notes from those relays.   And usually, those are free.   And then we have private relays that's, they have a restricted access,   and sometimes they even may require payment.   So then   you connect to that relay and you post   notes to that relay. But if I'm not connected to that, I cannot read them. Right. They don't get propagated out to the other relays.   Correct. Essentially.  



[00:28:11] McIntosh:

And this is actually something well, you you you have a great example here. A news organization   might run a relay for their subscribers.   Another one would actually be us. I mean, we could run our own relay   Correct. As a service   to the Satoshis Pleb's listeners. Now, frankly, because it costs money,   at this point, that's not going to happen, but maybe it's something we could look at in the future. Yeah. And then we could provide that curated experience   to to our listeners.   Mhmm.  

[00:28:45] McIntosh:

Yeah. And I did an experiment.   I I did my own nostr relay. And I posted   only to that Relay.   And then I opened my app, Amethyst.   I added my Relay, and all of a sudden, I can see my note, and I'm really happy. I'm like, oh, look at that. I can see my note. It worked.   Right. And then I get a comment   from a random person.   It's like, oh, what do you mean with that note?   And then I realized, oh, okay. So I made a public relay. Right. And because it's connected on amethyst in parallel with other relays, it seems that they're talking to each other.  

[00:29:24] McIntosh:

Right.   And Yeah. If you didn't set it up as a private relay from the start, then that's what you're going to see.   Yep.   I'm not sure   when   these   nips were developed that allowed, like, the private relays. Maybe they've been there   since day one.   But   that and the ability for these relays to kind of talk back and forth   has been improving   over the   last year or so.   I was telling you before we started,   when I first got on Nostr,   like, you would post somewhere. And if I'm using this app over here, and then maybe I'm using a different user or even the same user on a different app,   and I load it up. And I simply can't see that post,   because it hasn't been propagated around yet. And it may happen later. It may not happen. I don't know   what it but it's not the kind of experience or it was not the kind of experience that a user would really like to see.  

Can you imagine, oh, posting your your child's picture on Facebook for the grandparents and then the grandparents log again and going,   well, I can't see that. The last post I saw for you was from, you know, three days ago.   I don't know.   Right? But it it is definitely gotten better   certainly within the last year, I would argue.  

[00:30:56] McIntosh:

Yeah.   Yeah. I can see differences,   between,   clients   usually, how they interpret the relay information,   how they present it. I think the biggest struggle is actually there,   How how they read the information   and how they present it, especially with the notifications aspect to them.   So I keep going back to Amethyst for myself on on Android because   I see all the notifications   and in the right order   and that I don't get on other clients, and that's why I keep coming back.   So that's also very important aspect there. Okay. So it's good to experiment, I mean, with with different clients for sure.   And we said now different relay types. Right? Public and private.  

Right. There are also more specialized relays, for example, for images and videos.   So when you post,   an image or video on a client, then many times they use a different relay for that.   So it's  

[00:32:03] McIntosh:

specialized relay. I've been curious about that. Now maybe this is something you can explain. I I meant to actually talk to you about this prior.   Yeah. One of the things I have noticed a lot of times, especially   older   images   just won't be there. Like, there there's the place for the image or the video, but there's just nothing there.   Is that why is that? Do you know?  

[00:32:27] McIntosh:

I I don't know that specific, but Okay. It it must for sure, it must be a relay   a relay issue, but it's probably an old relay that doesn't exist anymore.   And because   imagine notes are quite small in size, of course, it's a text file. Mhmm. But images and videos are really big. And when you post   for free,   you or at least you expect to post the images and videos for free, but they take so much space. It's very expensive to run those relays. So it's different relays and different people run those relays,   but they have,   implemented them now seamlessly in the clients.  

So when you post an image on Armistice, for example, you see it's it's putting it on the the   relay nostril dot build.   That's the default.   And then you can press there and it has, like, four or five other ones.   If that one is offline for some reason or   any other issue or maybe you prefer another relay. That's interesting. Nostr.build.  

[00:33:33] McIntosh:

Now one of the things that I've noticed lately, they've been talking about this Blossom   media   server, I think.   And   I'm not clear   because I haven't looked into it on exactly what this is, but it sounds like a place essentially to host   media, like pictures and video. Right?   And I believe that nostril.build   was actually mentioned in that discussion or what I've seen online   in Nostril.  

[00:34:04] McIntosh:

Do you happen to know anything about that? I I I heard of the Blossom servers, but I'm not sure. Okay. I think it's a type of server, not an   not a relay. I think it's a type of  

[00:34:16] McIntosh:

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I it's not yeah. Maybe I didn't say that quite right. I don't think it's a relay per se.   I think it's like essentially, think of it like an FTP server sitting there serving up files.   Right? That   somehow   so it's supposed to provide that long term   storage   for the video or,   or audio   or   a picture. Right?   And   unlike a a relay, which probably wouldn't wanna keep that around forever.   Right? The the idea would be it's this more long term storage.   Maybe you're paying for it or whatever. But then the relay then when you have that video, oh, I've got this video or this audio   or this picture, it's gonna go look   and pull it off of that Blossom server.  

Right? I think that's what it is.   Listeners, I could be completely wrong. And if I am and we figure it out,   when we figure it out, I'll come back and tell you, but   I think that's that's what I'm understanding.   So, again, this is another improvement,   although it's kinda like a add on to the relays, but it's an improvement of the experience. Right? We want the client.   They shouldn't   just because it's been a week, that picture should still show up in their feed. You know? Can you imagine going on Facebook and going back   six months and   all your video and all your pictures and whatever that show up in your it's just all gone.  

That's not a good experience.   So  

[00:35:56] McIntosh:

I I remember   when I joined NoSir,   two years ago,   you couldn't upload an image. You couldn't post an image. You had to go to   IMEIMGUR   or whatever   or any   image   storage   service.   Right. Upload   your photo there, get a link, go back to Noister,   write your note, post the link,   and then sometimes maybe they would  

[00:36:24] McIntosh:

manage the designs to show it.   I I think this   I I think this is the integration of that. I think this is   integrating this media   into the system.   I I tell you what, let's table that. I will actually look into that. We'll talk about it a little bit more next week, especially if we're wrong,   and I'll certainly set things correct. But I I think in general, what we're saying is is correct. So yeah. Mhmm. But there's certainly a lot of innovation still happening. Now you've got a couple of nips listed here for protocol improvements   for,   relays specifically. Let's talk about those for just a minute.  



[00:37:05] McIntosh:

Yep. So we have the NIP 66,   which describes,   how relays can better discover and monitor,   the network of relays.   So so the clients so the apps essentially,   are it's easier for them to to find,   relays,   automatically   to connect to. Okay. Very cool. So that's that's quite good. And I use that actually with Amethyst. I go to the network settings and I press   default, and I think it does some sort of automatic   scan   to release   and and readjust my release to to put the best ones,   to connect to the best ones for my phone.   And then we have the NIP 62.  

It's called   request to   vanish. I'm not sure if that's the official name, but essentially   no. It is the name. Yeah. I see the official name. That's funny. NIP 62 request to vanish.   So that's essentially,   a request   to delete   posts.   Right.   So you essentially,   if you want to delete a note,   you press delete note. Right. And what that what this does is sends a request to all the relays, please   delete these notes.   Very simple, but it took a long time to get to that stage.  

[00:38:33] McIntosh:

And I would note that   it's a request. It's not a requirement.   And Exactly. You know, I would think that most   setups would   honor that, but   when you put it out there, it's just like any social media, you need to be aware that it's out there.   It may have gotten stored away, whatever vacuumed up. You can't   know for certain just because you say, I wanna delete every node I own.   They all need to go away that they're all gone.   So  

[00:39:07] McIntosh:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there there must be relays out there that are like archival   relays that store everything and ignore those type of requests. Right.   So that's also a type of relay for sure. Okay.   And I think the same nip or something similar is used to edit,   notes.   So you can edit a note after you have posted it.   And again, it's on a request basis. So some clients might accept it and show   the editor note some won't.  

[00:39:39] McIntosh:

I am looking forward to seeing that everywhere,   as someone who frequently makes mistakes   in their nostr post. And then you look at it later and you go,   I misspelled   or it transposed   or whatever. You know? Yeah.   Alright.   And then the final part about this   is   the ability to pay for your nostr   relay service.   And why would you wanna do that,   for   for a better service, right, for better performance,   for better   spam control, which is something we're gonna talk about again in just a minute Yeah. For this more  

[00:40:21] McIntosh:

Yeah. More retention time, as you said. Some Right. Relays might not store your data for too long because they're free.  

[00:40:30] McIntosh:

Right.   So Yeah. How is this done?  

[00:40:36] McIntosh:

Well, with lightning.  

[00:40:37] McIntosh:

Of course.   With the hardest money on earth. Right? Yeah. With with Bitcoin.   And so, you know, you may pay a thousand sats a month for a premium service that's got, say,   a twelve month retention period for your notes or maybe they I don't know. I have no idea. Maybe a couple of years or or whatever.   But you're paying for that, which is funny   coming from a world of social media where you don't pay for anything.   But as Kenshin and I were talking beforehand,   I said, when you don't pay,   you are the payment. Like, you get used   on Facebook your data   to drive ads to you   to monetize   your   yourself.  

Does that make sense, Kenshin?  

[00:41:28] McIntosh:

Yeah. Exactly.   And if you're curious to look into paid   Nostr,   the easiest to remember is nostr.wine,   like the wine that we drink.   So nostr.wine,   you just type that and you you go to their page and they explain what it is and Alright.  

[00:41:47] McIntosh:

Alright. So let's move on. And   I there are things that I see Actually, it's kind of funny because the last week or so kind of nostr been a,   in an I wouldn't call it an uproar, but   people have been talking, oh, this is bad. This is bad. This is bad. So on and so forth. You know? It's like everybody's down. I don't know. I don't and I don't know   why   exactly.   But let's talk about some of these challenges. Let's talk about some of the reasons.   I feel like Nostra   may end up staying a niche product essentially   that is not going to get the widespread   popularity of, say,   of anything like Facebook or LinkedIn or anything like that. And   I I think there's challenges, and I don't think it's fair to not   to to not talk about them. So   what are some of those?  



[00:42:42] McIntosh:

Yeah. Of course.   Some of them are like scalability   to to handle more and more users.   So if we're talking about millions of users, then we need   more professional   relays   to to handle all this data back and forth and the storage needed.   And people are expecting free services   in the space.   So   how do you make money to   to pay for those servers, obviously?  

[00:43:12] McIntosh:

It's always amazing to me when I see people on Nostra   complaining that   this feature or that feature haven't gotten implemented into   insert favorite client here   because   the developer's a bad person. When in fact, that developer's not really getting paid to do that work, and they're doing it because they want to help Noster.   And Yeah. You know, they could frankly be making a lot more money if they were just out in the   in the fiat world, you know,   working for x, y, or z company.   Because some of these people are very, very,   very smart   and, you know, they have the ability to make a lot of money, but they choose not to   and do this out of a, you know,   a sense of love, a sense of duty, whatever you wanna call it.  

So,   I don't know. That just always makes me laugh when you got people who aren't paying anything,   complain about the people who were doing the work.   It's like Alright. Great. There's the GitHub, dude. Go fix it yourself.   It's like, really?   Oh, wait. You don't actually know how to do that? Then, you know,   be quiet.   But, yeah, it's it's difficult because   we've built an entire Internet around   free content and people, they just don't stop to think about it. Well, if it's free,   how is all that? How does Twitter pay for all that stuff?   Because there's,   I don't know, probably multiple thousands of people still who work there.  

And there's   Lord knows how many servers running that cost   a lot of money that has to come from somewhere.   99 times out of a hundred, probably it comes from advertising,   That advertising that's directed at you, that influences   you, that takes up your time, that's   oftentimes inappropriate,   frankly,   and so on and so forth. But you sit there and take it because it's   free.   I don't know. I mean, I guess we could integrate ads into Nasr,   and then   it'll all pay for itself, I guess. I don't I don't know. That to me is not an answer.  

[00:45:33] McIntosh:

But They are working on something like that,   one of  

[00:45:37] McIntosh:

the Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.   That's a really different twist. We're not gonna get into that. No. Yeah. No. That's funny because you're right. That's exactly what they're doing. So another issue that we do have with Noster, I think that's really over the last six months, in my opinion, become a lot worse is spam.   When when Kenshin and I post   on Noster,   like, I know that you because you post good morning, like, every morning. I'm lazy. I don't do that. But when you post, like, you have all these people who come and post along behind you, Good morning.   Because   there are people who do that that then turn around and like zap them.  

And they're like little trained monkeys,   frankly.   And   and they're just trying to farm   Satoshis out of you. Even though those people, if you go click on their profile and go look at them, they've never posted an original thing in their life. Like, there's nothing there but repost   and comments on other people's stuff to try and get,   you know, free Satoshis.   And then there's like, if you get out, if you just kind of look at the nostril   stream of notes,   there's so much spam and junk and garbage   out there.   And   it's a problem.   Right? So   how can we handle that? Because this is I mean, this is a challenge. Now we have the same challenge in Twitter, and the same challenge on some of these other platforms, mind you. Sorry, I   I promise. Well, it's time to say. But how do we do that in Nostril the right proper way?  

Yeah.  

[00:47:19] McIntosh:

There are two ways. So one way is that you can,   block   and even report actually users.   So,   well, the easiest is to block, and then you have a block list and you don't see   their   notes and comments anymore.   So we could actually block all those bots or if they are bots that does   post GM,   good morning every every time. Right. That's one way. The other way is that the client itself, they start doing that a bit now,   but,   or I will say first what they do. So they they have their own lists and they block users for everybody   who connect through those clients.  



[00:48:05] McIntosh:

Right.  

[00:48:06] McIntosh:

But then you could say that's a bit of censorship as well. Right. So  

[00:48:11] McIntosh:

so Your spam may not be my spam, actually,   in the end.   So   that is one way of doing it,   and I'm sure and we're gonna see Lisp. We'll see it integrated into relays   and so on and so forth to to manage some of that.   Yeah. I have a suggestion, and I've had this argument about email for for at least solid decade at this point.   So if you'll bear with me for just a second, I mean, email's been around. It was one of the earliest protocols.   The problem with email, the reason why we get spam is because it's so cheap to send   email.  

Well,   we can flip that on its head   if everybody would cooperate   and charge a Satoshi or 10 Satoshis or a hundred for that matter to send an email.   Because you and I, that's not going to hurt us   to because we send a dozen emails a month maybe.   But the guy who's sending out a million Viagra ads   because   somebody clicks on it and buys it out of that   what did I say? A million   ads. Right?   That makes him money.   Well but now he's having to spend 10 or a hundred Satoshis per,   email, that gets real I mean, a million times 10 would be 10,000,000,   Satoshis.  

Yeah. 1 tenth of a Bitcoin.   I think I did all that math right. Yeah. Yeah.   And here's the trick.   When I receive an email, I should get some portion of that.   Right?   So even if it's I send and it costs 10 and I receive and I only get one,   Send me all the email you want, man. Please. Just   I have 200,000   emails. Literally, I'm not kidding in my inbox. Okay? Because I've got email from literally over a decade ago. And   some of it I pruned and whatever, but it's   I would love to get paid a satoshi per email.   Come on.   Right?  

But you know what would happen? If you implemented that system,   spam, this   junk that you see in your inboxes   would disappear   within a month because they can't afford it.   It's the same way here.   If you pay to comment, if it's only 1 sat,   all of these people would stop doing this unless they actually had something useful   to provide.  

[00:50:53] McIntosh:

And that's possible already.   I think it's when you do, like,   how is it called? When you put multiple choice   and you ask people to vote.  

[00:51:06] McIntosh:

Mhmm.  

[00:51:08] McIntosh:

So you can do that on NoStar.   I have not seen that. Yeah. That's interesting. For example, on Nomadis. And then I can say to choose those choices, you need to pay one SAT.   So I I tried it. You don't get any engagement nowadays, but Right. It's possible. I would love to see  

[00:51:30] McIntosh:

a client to actually try this. I don't know if it would work.   I well,   I think it would work. I don't know if people would use it. I don't. Yeah. But I would love to at least, the mechanisms are there in place where it would not be   too hard to do that. I I would love to see somebody try it because,   look, if   Nostr is going to even become   a quarter of the size of one of these other   giant social media companies.   This stuff is going to be overwhelming if we don't do something about it.   So and I don't, you know, blacklist or whatever. I don't know that that really works in the long run.   It's so easy to spin up a new identity   because an insect,   in it's nsec, by the way, like, Nostr security or whatever.  

Your private key   is just an ssh...   not an ssh. An openssl command. Like, you're literally running an openssl command.   Have you ever done that, Kenshin?   I did it with Python, not with open SSL. I think you can I'm almost sure our the first one I did by myself was,   you know,   was openssl. Let me double check that before I spread misinformation.   But I think that's true. You have to do it a certain way, but regardless, you can I mean, there's websites? You can do it in Python,   whatever.   It it's super simple to do. You just spin up a billion of these identities, and there's your army. Right? Yeah. I I I can I can literally do that in Python?  

[00:53:11] McIntosh:

I tried it and, yeah, it's possible. It's just useless.   Or yeah. I mean, you can spam people, but that that's not fun.   At least not for me.  

[00:53:23] McIntosh:

Yeah. I I that kind of thing yes. And you can do it,   actually.   You just generate a hexadecimal,   random number.   So, yes, I I did do that at one point,   frankly.   Yeah.  

[00:53:43] McIntosh:

I I have an idea   how that could be useful.   What's that? But I I will tell you a fly.  

[00:53:50] McIntosh:

So Adam Back,   who's, like,   one of, like, three people mentioned in this Satoshi's white paper   came up with the original idea for, like, proof of work, and he did it based on email.   He was wanting   to get rid of spam in the same way.   Something like that is going to have to be done if we're going to be serious about these spam servers these spam accounts or whatever.  

[00:54:17] McIntosh:

Yeah. So to wrap up some recommendations   for for our listeners,   so if you're a complete beginner and you want to know a bit more, you can go to noster.how.   It's a very simple domain to visit, and it has some some details. And also, nostr.com.   And also very beginner friendly information there.  

[00:54:41] McIntosh:

I'll have both of those in the show notes.  

[00:54:43] McIntosh:

Right.   And then if you are a more advanced   user or you're already on Noister and you want to know a bit more about the technical things, you can read the NIPS,   NIPs,   and those are on GitHub. So Noister   space nips and then you should find the GitHub page. Okay.   And then of course for the ones who don't have a Nostr, just try Damos, Amethyst, or Primal, depending on your platform.  

[00:55:12] McIntosh:

And if you if you just wanna do it in the web, I would try Coracle.   That's actually the one that I use anyways   for running the   actual satoshis plebs,   nostril   identity.   I have it set up in in Coracle to kinda keep an eye on it.   And for a web interface, I like it. Primal actually has an interface on the web too. Right? Yes. Primal.net.   That one seems to to work really well as as as well.  

[00:55:43] McIntosh:

And also, if you're   curious to see what relays your,   Nostr app is using, go into your settings and there's always a   network   settings   in there.   And there you can see the actual   Nostr relays links like,   relay.primal.net   or relay.damos.io,   stuff like that.  

[00:56:08] McIntosh:

Alright. Very cool. Thank you, sir.   That was a great discussion.   I hope that was helpful for you, especially if you're kind of new to Nostr. But, I mean, I've been using Nostr, maybe not quite as long as you have Kenshin, but it's been a bit.   And to be honest, these relays were kind of a black box to me. I knew in general what they did and kinda what they how they work, but this has actually been helpful for myself as well. So thank you.   Yeah. Alright.   We do need to move on, though. We had some support this week or the last two weeks.   Our friend, Send It Mike, boosted us at 1069   sats   and sent us a nice message. I love this. He said the best way to deal with   price induced emotional   roller coaster is to set up an hands off automatic DCA   and never look back. As a real estate investor, I can say with confidence, BTC returns,   when you account for time involved,   will forever be better.  

At times,   real estate with leverage   properly structured, long term low fixed rate might be more fruitful, but it takes a lot of extra work. I 100%   agree with you,   sir.   I appreciate that boost.   The hands off automatic DCA, don't think about it. Don't sweat it. Don't panic.   Don't smash well, smash buy when you can   at the bottom or what you think is the bottom. But, yeah, Stripe makes that really easy if you can do that. I can't I'm not look. I'm not getting paid   by Jack Mahler's to promote strike. Okay? Jack, if you wanna send me some Bitcoin,   I'll get you an address, buddy, but you're never gonna hear this. So what does it matter?  

It's just it's a really nice tool,   and you can do the automatic DCA. So do that. I would suggest   minimal   minimal weekly,   if you really have to, I guess, monthly.   But   daily, if you can manage it Dirty.   Is is ideal. That way you're catching every dip. I've told y'all before,   we DCA weekly through strike, and it's because the way that we had it set up, it it kinda drives my wife crazy with all the little bit bit bit bit every day, you know, coming out of the account.   So I agreed to do it weekly, and then I sit there every time the the DCA comes around. Is it down? Is it up? Is you know? But   yeah. And it's free. At least it's free if if you DCA. It's free. They do not charge a fee, which that just blows my   my little mind. It's crazy. So thank you, Mike. I real you know, I don't know how long you've been listening. It feels like it's been a bit now,   but you certainly have become a faithful supporter, and I do appreciate that.  

Alright. Hope this helped.   Let's move on to news and notes.   Sir,   can you take the first one?   I wanna take the second one. So France  

[00:59:16] McIntosh:

rejects the backdoor   discussion that we had   a few weeks ago. Right.   And I think I   I said that they wouldn't do it right. It sounded too too bad to be true.   So  

[00:59:31] McIntosh:

Look. I'm gonna be honest. I thought they would, but I am really glad that they did not. This is huge.   And look, nothing surprises me with France anymore. I I don't know. What can I say? I'm sorry, French people. I love you. I really wanna go to Paris.   But, yeah, it just doesn't surprise me, the stuff that comes out of there anymore.  

[00:59:52] McIntosh:

Yeah. So the French National Assembly   has done the right thing. As the article says, it rejected   this dangerous proposal that we'll have,   yeah,   put end to end encryption in.   Yeah, to be legal. So Very cool.  

[01:00:09] McIntosh:

Alright. So we will have a link, of course, to that in the show notes as well as these other items.   I saw this couple days ago, posted about it. I thought this was worth mentioning. I know I don't wanna turn this into a mining   podcast, but   Aradines   or Aradine,   has introduced a two u. So that's like a rack size. These are standard   data center servers, which is actually really important. I'm not gonna dive into, but   previous Bitcoin miners have been these, like, little shoebox size things. This is much more of a agreed upon standard. It goes into   data centers very nicely.  

A two u hydro cooled miner that'll do 600   terahash. That just makes me cry,   at 14 and a half joules per terahash, which I don't think is the lowest I've ever seen, but it's pretty doggone low. So they call it the TeraFlux   a h three eight eight zero. I don't see a 600 in there anywhere, so get with it marketing.   But, yeah,   really nice piece of equipment. A hydro cooled miner very quickly.   It's not immersed in liquid, but it's running through, like, pipes tubing   liquid through the miner to keep it cool.   And that's what enables you to put 600 terraheshes in a two u rack space.   Very, very cool. They are a US based server,   company,   which frankly as an American, I'm glad to see,   virtually all the miners are made over in China right now. Let's be honest.  

And just from a   single point of failure thing, just like we were talking about earlier, I don't like that.   So these guys are here in America kind of pushing the boundaries   of these of these mining units.   I think I talked to these guys at the last,   conference. I went to a room and talked to these miners. I or this company that built miners.   I'm almost sure it was them. And it's funny because I asked them, why are you not making a rack mount server that's more standardized?   And they told me, well, you can't get the   the cooling in there. Well, with hydro, you can. So So I don't know. Maybe they listen to me. I doubt it, but whatever.  

Take take the I'm   not gonna go through these specs, but they're pretty cool.   This is actually probably one of the most advanced miners out there in terms of its monitoring and its operation.   It can do up to 10 kilowatts down to,   1.8 kilowatts, 1,800 watts. So that's a phenomenal range it can operate in. Alright. That's crazy. That's crazy. You could put a rack of these and it would it would be over our, like,   I think it'd be approaching 200,000   kilowatts.   I it's the power alone just becomes a real problem.   Right? Because you've got a rack. A rack's not that big. It's like   Thirty six, forty two use? How many? Yeah. I'm try I was actually thinking wide, not high at this point. But, yeah, it might be thirty   thirty thirty six. I don't think it   whatever. I haven't been in a data center in fifteen years, so   take anything I say with a grain of salt. But you could stuff a lot of power into this thing. It just and you have that ability to manage your load as well with curtailment.  

Right? Knock. Knock.   Anyways,   very cool stuff.   I wanna do the next one, and I'll leave the last one for you if that's okay. Yeah.   Argentina induces crypto regs for service providers. I did wanna mention this. Not a whole lot here,   but from what I'm reading, what I'm understanding,   the Malay government is basically putting rules in place   for companies like Kraken   or Binance to operate,   to give them guidelines how they can operate in Argentina. That's it. But it's important stuff   for this kind of thing. It   potentially could help draw some of that business   to Argentina.  

Alright?  

[01:04:24] McIntosh:

Yeah. And then we have GameStop.  

[01:04:26] McIntosh:

A big news from yesterday. Kinshen, I don't play video games.  

[01:04:30] McIntosh:

No. Maybe you should start.  

[01:04:33] McIntosh:

Maybe I'd be a little less cranky. You're right.  

[01:04:37] McIntosh:

And they added,   treasury   Bitcoin as a treasury reserve asset officially.   So they will invest   their   profits or their,   stock.  

[01:04:49] McIntosh:

So do you I know.   Do you know how much,   treasury  

[01:04:54] McIntosh:

dollars they have? Yeah. I heard it's like $5,000,000,000  

[01:04:57] McIntosh:

Yes. 4.75   is the figure that I've heard, but rounded up. Let's call it 5,000,000,000.   5 billion dollars sitting in cash depreciating   at 10 to 15%   per year.   And this is a company that has struggled for a long time. They are in the video game business. I was making a little joke, but they are.   And   that business is moving online. All the games are becoming   just digital downloads. You don't go buy the Atari twenty six hundred cartridge like when I was a kid. You you buy   Fortnite and you download it to your PlayStation.   They're struggling. They're looking at what how they can kind of pivot their business. They have this large cash reserve because they've been around for a long time, and they have been very profitable in the past. What do they do with it?  

Everybody's over here going, buy Bitcoin, buy Bitcoin. Well, it looks like they're about to buy some Bitcoin.   Yeah. So congratulation,   boys. You've joined the big boys club.   We will see what happens. The stock was up 10% already this morning,   the last which was a long time ago, but the last time I checked,   I think in the long run, they're gonna pull a micro strategy   playbook   and essentially convert into a Bitcoin treasury company. I don't see   their company being viable long term.   We'll start seeing their stores shut down, and I'm talking about over the years, not over the next three months.   But they've got stores everywhere. They'll sell that off where it makes sense   and put it into Bitcoin and then   do the Bitcoin thing.  



[01:06:41] McIntosh:

Yeah. That's very exciting.  

[01:06:43] McIntosh:

Yeah.   Great.   Alright. And we have a question for the audience.   Are you buying GameStop?   A GameStop?   Oh, God.   Why don't you guys do it? It? I'll leave it at the end.  

[01:06:59] McIntosh:

No?   So if you if you   are inclined to buy any GameStop   stock,   because I if I had the possibility to buy some stocks, I I was   I was itching now with the idea. Right. I mean, that would be interesting to have some.  

[01:07:16] McIntosh:

It's not   so to be honest, this is not financial advice, and I'm gonna tell you I'm not buying any, and I'm not. But if you go look at their long term, they had a bump, like, it's been a a bit now where they went up to, like, $70   when they got shorted into oblivion essentially   by the Wall Street people. People the the online community essentially was trying to push their stock up to keep them out of bankruptcy.   And I think if I'm saying some of this wrong, please let me know.   But   regardless,   they've been very flat for a long time,   and now we're starting to see that tick up. I think we will see it grow   significantly   as this   comes into fruition.  

It part, it depends on how much of their cash they're willing to put into it. If they're actually willing to put   half of their   cash into this   and Bitcoin takes off within a very short period of time, you could see that stock go way up.   Not financial advice. Don't go out and buy it based on what Macintosh said. And I literally just told you I'm not buying GameStop.   I I cannot say that.   GameStop   stock.   I I'm not. I'd I'm tapped out. Okay? It's all in Bitcoin. I just I got nothing else. Yeah. I I I cannot do it either. But it'll be fun to try.   And and we do need to wrap up with some software updates. We're running really long, I think.  

And, I've got a hard stop coming up. So we're gonna move on. I'm really looking forward to hearing what you guys are doing, though. I mean, tell us.   And I if you are, you are. If you're not, you're not. Whatever.   But boost in and let us know. Alright. Let's talk about the software updates.   Go ahead.   Why don't you do the first two? I'll do the last two.  

[01:09:13] McIntosh:

Alright. So there is a Ditto   version 1.3,   and Ditto is a no server for building resilient online communities.   And now they are at version 1.3,   which comes with improved search and event fetching,   via a new explore tab.   They also have some video enhancements, translation upgrades,   and other stuff   as we see on Oster.  

[01:09:41] McIntosh:

So I'm curious about this.   I don't know anything about it, but   building communities online   has been   something that people have looked for for a long time. And there's certainly   proprietary,   you know, cost driven   solutions.   I don't know of anything   open source built on an open protocol   like this that's out there. So   I don't know if Ditto is gonna do this or if it will be another   software that comes along that builds on the Nostra protocol.   But I could see this being very big   because   humans   at their core, crave community, whether they like to believe that or not, it's true. We have our tribe. We have our people that we hang with, that we associate with and do life together, so to speak. So   we'll see. We'll see how this does. Very cool.  



[01:10:42] McIntosh:

Yeah. Yes.   Next, we have a clear   version 0.12.   Is now   available and this includes   some RPCs   to create and manage Bolt 12 offers. Yay Bolt 12.   Yeah, it's very popular   And it also supports RBF,   which is, what is it? To pay   RBF.  

[01:11:12] McIntosh:

I'm actually not sure what RBF is, to be honest.  

[01:11:16] McIntosh:

Isn't it to the the one that pays for the parent?  

[01:11:19] McIntosh:

Or Oh, it is. Yes. You're right. So that would be, like, when you're closing channels and that kind of thing, I think.  

[01:11:26] McIntosh:

So to close to have new chat supports new channels closing   protocol,   and other technical stuff.  

[01:11:36] McIntosh:

Java   21 for those who care   and Bitcoin Core 28.1.   I think that means you have to be running Bitcoin core 28.1   or higher. Yes.   So that's a fairly recent   yeah. That's fairly recent. So Eclair is not available in The United States.   I believe.   If it is,   to be honest, it's one of the   smallest lightning   node distros. I mean, you've got core, you've got LND,   and then you've got everybody else. I I don't know how else to put it, but I am glad to see bolt 12. Bolt 12 is awesome.   It's basically a way for me to make a lightning invoice that I could pop on the website, and you could shoot Satoshis too,   and it never has to be updated. That's just it.  

And that's like that's a good user experience to me.   Anyways, glad to see that.   I need to look up a clear status. I it seems like they exited The States because of the regulations under the   previous administration,   so maybe they'll come back.   Alright. Zeus,   zero dot 10. And, man, Zeus is like putting out a whole bunch of stuff.   But this was the actual official release.   I did wanna mention this channel lease renewals, multiple embedded wallets, the NWC or Noster WalletConnect client support, which will again, provide a great user experience when you're dealing with Noster   wallets,   that kind of thing. Zeus is another,   would you call them a lightning node? I guess so. Right? They have a embedded lightning node. Yes. Yeah. Mhmm. And it's it's more it's like a ecosystem, but it is built around the lightning node. So   and then Bitcoin safe, v1.2.o.  

You know, I don't know a whole lot about this one. I I think we've mentioned it one other time,   but I think I'm gonna start watching this one. They seem to be going after kind of the family,   demographic, which I think is interesting. Like, it looks like you could have sub accounts.   It's it's a Bitcoin wallet, but, yeah, it's like a way to   manage your Bitcoin   where you   you have custodians, you have the parents, you have children, whatever. Right? Yeah. Without having It's a desktop  

[01:14:03] McIntosh:

desktop  

[01:14:04] McIntosh:

desktop version. So I think I'm gonna take the time to dig into that more soon and talk about it more because it is definitely different than the average,   you know, wallet that's out there.  

[01:14:16] McIntosh:

Mhmm. That's good. Alright.  

[01:14:18] McIntosh:

Kenshin, I think we tried to make up for the week we missed this week. I cannot find how long we've been going, but it's been a bit.   I hope you have liked this.   I'm not gonna go through our normal spiel because of time, but we do appreciate   our our supporters. We appreciate our listeners.   If you could do us a favor, help us out. The best way to promote this podcast   is to turn to somebody after you get done listening to it and say, hey. Listen to these two nut jobs on Satoshi's okay. I'm   sorry. Kenshin, you are not a nut job.   You're a great guy.  

You brought some class into this,   experience.   Good guys,   regardless.   And,   they've got some interesting ideas. So take a listen   and and do it that way because that really is the way to promote this show.   It's better than anything that we can do even though we're out there trying to do some stuff as well.   And follow us on.   We are really pushing.   I know it that's what it seems like, and and we are I'm trying to transition   off of Twitter basically onto.   I know, Kinshin, you hardly ever get on Twitter,   but I have a Twitter addiction. Let's be honest.   And,   you know,   we're that's where we're that's where we're building our tribe, our community. We're we're doing that over on Noster, and it may have its flaws.  

But,   we're gonna try and make it work. You know?  

[01:15:59] McIntosh:

Yeah. And we love the interaction so far on Noster. So That's the best part about it. Yes.  

[01:16:07] McIntosh:

So there you go.   I lost my place because I'm sitting here scrolling back and forth. I'm so sorry. I'll find it in just a second. There it is.   Thanks for being here. I hope this has been helpful, and we would love to hear from you. So you can go to satoshispubs.com/episodes.   That's the list of all of our episodes. Go to the current one, and we have all of our   contact info there. Stay humble, friends. Go out. Make it a great week. We will talk to you all soon. See  

[01:16:38] McIntosh:

you   on   all,   sir.   Stay dreamer.   Keep that head of yours up there   go to bed.   The dreams are better before you lay   down   your   own head.   You stay up with the sun, but don't go to bed with the moon. They can't tell you what   the rest daydreamers.