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2024 was a banger of year. Kenshin and McIntosh sit down and discuss the good (NGU!!), the bad (Senator Warren) and the ugly (Operation Chokepoint 2.0). We also look forward to the new year. Where is Bitcoin going? What will the incoming US administration be doing and how is this going to affect Bitcoin?

Bitcoin  Price at Time of Recording

January 2nd, 2024: 96,204 USD | 93,200 EUR

Block Height at Time of Recording

877,502

News and notes

Kenshin's Websites

https://unaligned256.com
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Argentina axing all taxes but six..

El Salvador hits historic low of 114 homicides in 2024, down from a staggering 6,656 in 2015

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McIntosh can be reached by email at [email protected] and on Twitter at @McIntoshFinTech. His mastodon handle is @[email protected] and his Nostr.  Kenshin can be reached on Twitter at @kenshin_ninja or on Nostr. Kenshin’s email is [email protected]. You can also follow the Satoshi’s Plebs podcast account on Nostr. We are looking forward to hearing from you!

We are looking forward to hearing from you!

[00:00:00] McIntosh:

What is up, Pleb Nation? Today is January 3rd. This is episode 191 of Satoshi's Plebs. I'm Macintosh.  

[00:00:07] Kenshin:

And I'm Kenshin. And today's episode is New Year's resolutions.  

[00:00:41] McIntosh:

Alright, Kenshin. Happy New Year. First of all, I don't think I've officially said that to you.   No. Happy New Year. Thank you. I know we've talked before we got rolling. You had a nice quiet New Year.   I was a little more hectic, and to be honest,   I wished it would have been more quiet. But that's a story maybe for another day,   maybe not.   But,   as we record,   we are at a Bitcoin price of 96,204   US dollars. What do we have it in euros, sir?  

[00:01:20] Kenshin:

€93,200.  

[00:01:24] McIntosh:

93,200.   I did not brought up TradingView yet. We are at a block height of 877,502.   We did have a dip this week in general.   It went pretty low. I don't know exactly   how low because I haven't been monitoring things as closely as normal, but   it went down pretty significantly. And then it's, kind of pumped back up for the last couple of days. So we're still seeing this.   I don't know if you wanna call it unstableness.   It seems to be staying well, above 90,000   without any problems. So   as we start up the New Year, I think today, they do start trading. In fact, I think they trading in just a few minutes   on the New York Stock Exchange,   and, we'll see where things go.  

A lot of times, the stock market itself can kind of   be an indicator of how things are gonna go. I know that the futures this morning were showing up.   We've had 2 back to back years of the stock exchange with 20%,   gains, which is in terms of Bitcoin is kind of laughable, but really for the stock market,   that's actually quite good. So,   I think we're gonna see some upward momentum this morning,   and, I think we're gonna see a nice push towards the end of this week.   Of course, Trump is coming in here in   less than 3 weeks now. I'm not a little excited about that.   I'm just ready for the old administration to be gone, to be honest.  

I do think as I've said many times on here that in in terms of Trump, I think maybe some   his policies hopefully will be good. We will see in at least in terms of Bitcoin.   I am not a political   animal. I gave that up for lit a long time ago and left it there.   And, believe it or not, I used to be.   Kenshin, this is something you wouldn't know about me, but to be honest, back in the nineties, the late eighties nineties,   certainly,   I was a big Rush Limbaugh fan, which should give you an idea probably, I guess, of my political leanings at least at the time that's not really been.   I've I've grown a lot since then, but Rush Limbaugh was a very famous,   conservative talk radio person. I I literally would listen to him, like, most days of the week as, you know,   and   I don't know. At some point, the light went on my head that all this time that I was spending, you know, doing this activity,   engaging in this thought and whatever. It just it was of no use to me. It wasn't doing me a thing. You know? Politics are important in terms of where our country goes, but it just doesn't do you any good to, you know,   kinda live and breathe and wallow in the mess because, you know, when you play with the pigs, you get dirty.  

So, anyways,   let's move on. So,   like I said, block height 877502.   We did have a difficulty adjustment   recently.   1 point let's see. 1.16   up,   percent up, so not very much.   And then we have right now, when I checked last night, a few hours ago, it was 1.52%   down.   That will fluctuate because we don't have our next one until January the 12th. And I did wanna mention this here. We're not gonna, like, camp on this, but,   the Russia mining ban should have gone into effect yesterday. Now   considering,   Kenshin, the on ocean that we haven't had a block in 54 hours, I'm pretty sure they didn't just all turn off their miners,   which I'm a little disappointed in.  

I was hoping   I was hoping   I was hoping, but   The the hash rate is going all time highs. No. You're right. Actually, I have a note somewhere to mention that we hit 800,000.   It looks like officially,   this time. And, so, yeah, we're at an all time hash rate even though   it's too early in the morning for Macintosh.   He's on his first cup of coffee,   and his numbers don't do good.   Yeah. We're at an all time high, 800,000.   So   what that means, I don't know other than the fact that we haven't mined a block in 54 hours, and I'm a little angry about that.   Y'all get angry with McIntosh this morning.  

Alright.   So   It will come back. It will come back. Now on the other hand, I would say this,   the   pool fees are actually quite low.   I wanna double check here real quick, but when I looked last night well, no. They're a little bit higher.   When I looked last night, it was 2, 2, and 2. Now we're at 3, 4, and 5. Mhmm.   Sats per v byte when I say that for, and what that means is basically   we're looking at, like, 40¢ to about 67¢   to send a transaction.   But last night when I looked, it was 222.   And I looked back to the blocks. There was actually a block,   which I guess the average. I never really thought about this.  

There was one there, actually. It's not even that long ago. 877493.   One sap per beep. And I have not seen that in ages.  

[00:06:59] Kenshin:

Yeah. Lost locals.  

[00:07:00] McIntosh:

That was 64 minutes ago.   And then our mempool usage is down. So we're down to 361   megabytes as we record,   which is,   that is the lowest I've seen it in a long time.   So the mem pools are clearing out.   I mean, that's what's going on. I don't know what that means that I'm not gonna speculate,   But even some of these older transactions are getting cleared out. I'm sure there's some that have been in there for a long time   at 1 sat per v byte.   So,   if you Russian people could please turn your minors off, I'd appreciate that. Putin told you to do it. I'm just relaying the man's message.   I would appreciate that. That's that's great.  

Unfortunately,   it's starting to look like that's not gonna happen, but we'll see.  

[00:07:53] Kenshin:

Yeah. I think the when the markets wake up again, as you said,   very soon then   business will resume, I think, as normal. Alright. So what's new with you, sir?   Well, very quiet   few days.   Took a well deserved rest.   Stayed home most of the days,   after Christmas.   We did a little bit of, sightseeing around here, close to home,   and we got a big,  

[00:08:26] McIntosh:

amount of snow yesterday. What is a big amount? Can you tell me that in centimeters, and I can convert it real quick?  

[00:08:34] Kenshin:

It's   like 10 centimeters.   Okay. Maybe  

[00:08:39] McIntosh:

15. Okay. So that's oh, 15. Okay.   So 15 centimeters is 6 inches,   in the US,   imperial   measurement because, you know, we gotta be the US and can't join the rest of the world in something reasonable.   But 6 inches half a foot.   Nice. That's a nice snowfall, and you had to shovel it off. I'm sure. And that was probably not so nice.   So  

[00:09:08] Kenshin:

No. At least 2 hours cleaning up yesterday with my wife. I've done that a little bit. An extra hour cutting.   Yeah. And then an extra hour cutting.  

[00:09:17] McIntosh:

That's good exercise.  

[00:09:19] Kenshin:

We are full. It is. Full winter mode right now.  

[00:09:24] McIntosh:

Awesome. So you're supposed to have your wood cut before the winter starts, though. Yeah.  

[00:09:29] Kenshin:

Miscalculating.  

[00:09:30] McIntosh:

Chopping it up. Okay.  

[00:09:31] Kenshin:

Do you like are you like cutting up your Yeah. Pieces? Is that what you're doing? Okay. Yeah. That's good work for you, though. We cut a lot of tree or not trees, a lot of wood. We had a few trees cut down. And, so I had the the pieces ready. I just need to split them up.   And I didn't do enough during the summer and,   fall season. So  

[00:09:54] McIntosh:

So we don't get a whole lot of cold weather like you do. I mean, we we do get some, but,   we actually do have a fireplace. And,   cutting wood is kind of one of my favorite activities because it's,   well,   I like doing things by myself, and it's one of the few times I get some in a long time. That's actually one of the reasons.   And,   it's it's a good I have problems with my arms, actually. I've had it for years, and   the motion,   actually, of of chopping   is is good for my arms. So Mhmm.   The doctor   likes it as well. Alright. So  

[00:10:34] Kenshin:

And we will get the temperature   of let's see. I put it in Fahrenheit so you understand.   7 degrees tomorrow.  

[00:10:42] McIntosh:

Woah.   That's a little chilly.   That is a little chilly. Alright. Well,   good luck with that.   Keep that fire going.   And,   good. So I, on the other hand, did not stay at home and be nice. We our family took a brief vacation,   and, we went to a place called,   Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg, which is in,   Eastern   Tennessee   and in the   edge of the Smoky Mountains. And we drove around, and we did some sightseeing,   and we went to this place called Dollywood, which   would be a whole explanation for the European viewers about why it's actually called that that we're not gonna go into. But it's a theme park, And it was   stupid crowded,   and we spent a lot of time standing around at going to places to eat and going to own rides and stuff like that. And people got too tired and cranky and, you know, it was just a whole thing.  

I'm not sure we're gonna ever do that one again,   but it is what we did. And in some respects, we had a great time. And I was off from work, and that's that's good too.   But, to be honest, I'm ready to go back to work tomorrow.  

[00:11:59] Kenshin:

So Not tomorrow. Yes.  

[00:12:02] McIntosh:

I am actually. I need to catch up on a lot of stuff. I've got a big project that I'm in the middle of, and I gotta go wait through the emails and go to a couple of meetings and and whatever. Yeah. I have to start by tomorrow. I don't have to, but I'm going to.   Alright. Very good. Hopefully, we didn't bore everybody.   I hope everyone else had a great break if you had one,   between Christmas and New Year's, and now we're looking forward to the New Year's.   I do want to very specifically   focus this episode   on where we've been in terms of Bitcoin, especially,   and where we're going.  

So we're going to I I know I tell you all this. I apologize, but we're gonna make this as short as we can.   But we do wanna kinda cover where we've been and where we're going because if you don't know, you you you wander around. Around. Right? And I don't wanna turn this into a whole goal topic kind of conversation,   personal self help.   I'm not some personal self help guru, but I do find that   that learning about   taking the time actually to write down what we want out of life   and where we wanna go is super, super helpful. So,   we'll kind of start with that. Oh, did we talk about this last week, Kenshin, this this email that I dug up? A little bit. I I threw it out there. That's fine.  



[00:13:31] Kenshin:

Okay. I threw out the   the phrase that, Satoshi Nakamoto had said. Mhmm.   That's because we were talking about why to get into Bitcoin, why Bitcoin is,   what was it? Hard money or was it later that we said Right.   What yeah.   And, it was   the the quote was to   get some just in case it, takes off.   So now we see the email. So this was with the Bitcoin  

[00:14:01] McIntosh:

verse version 0 dot 1 release. So this was, like, literally one of the first releases. In fact, it might   I'm not sure if this was the first release.   Maybe not because I didn't this date doesn't look right. January 17,   2009.   So it was certainly one of the first releases.   And and he gave that quote, which is, like, right in the email. I'll try and put this in the show notes. I don't know if I'll be able to or not. Yeah. It might make sense just to get some in case it catches on.   Right. Which   from what I've read,   it almost doesn't even sound like something he would say. I mean, clearly, he did.  

I don't know if he meant it as a joke.   I'm not sure.   He seems much more calculating than that, though. I don't know.   But it it definitely came from him. And that's actually what threw me off the other day when you said that because I had heard it,   but I just didn't I don't know. That sounded like something somebody else would have said. But Yeah. I thought it was Jalfein for a second, but yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. That actually, I could have much more easily put that with him. Not that I'm an expert on either one of these gentlemen.   So let's get on into this. So, Kinshan, do you wanna go ahead and do the the year end review at least in terms of of of Bitcoin price? Right. So  

[00:15:27] Kenshin:

so when the year started in 2024,   price in USD for Bitcoin was $42,289.38,406.   And   when it ended,   31st, closing price was $93,354   and that's a 2.21x,   in value   in a year. And in euros, it closed at €9,000,   146   and that was a 2.35x.   And we also had the all time high for,   for Bitcoin during the year on December 17th at a 108,389   euro, US USD dollars   and a high of a 103,000   exactly Euros again on December  

[00:16:19] McIntosh:

It actually hit 103   exactly. Yeah. Wow. That's some psychology.   Like, nobody bid   above that. They just that's just where they stop. Yep.   Stuff like that fascinates me, and it happens a lot. It's crazy   how much that happened. Mhmm.   K. Very good. So   we more than doubled our price.   In fact, if you we almost tripled really if you go from 42 to 108 if you wanna look at it that way. You really probably shouldn't, but, you know, it's a fun thing to do.   Obviously, a very good year.   We are in the, in my opinion, in the 3rd out of the 4th year of this cycle.   We solidly   and I think you you certainly   that lines up with your view. Right, Kenshin? I just I don't wanna put words in your mouth. Yeah. Okay. So we basically have the same thought that next year, things are going to continue to go up. Mhmm. And we'll see where we're at at the end of the year.  

I put a couple of notes in here. I if you remember   on this podcast, I talked last year at this time about how 2024   was gonna be a year of regulation. That was kind of my my word for the year.   And I was right, just really not in the way that I thought or really in a way that was useful. Here in the United States, we did have a year of regulation, thanks to   senator Warren,   it turns out, and they called it operation choke point 2.0.   And,   thankfully, that's kind of wrapped up, but we had a lot of,   companies getting sued.   We probably had a lot of backroom to, deals.  

There was regulation   just by   this is the way it's gonna be kind of thing, not through the normal legislative   process.   So there was a lot of,   it caused a lot of issues.   One thing I am not to get political again, but one thing I am very hopeful for with the incoming administration   is that these next 4 years, we get all this sorted out that we have solid regulatory   framework. I mean, if we have to have rules, I want them to be clear. I want them to be concise, not not super complex   and and reasonable.   And none of that happened under whatever   her deal was. She hated crypto. She hated Bitcoin.  

And she was just out to get everybody as far as I can tell.   And why Massachusetts keeps voting her back into office? I don't understand, but that's Massachusetts'   fault, and I don't live there.   Okay? So   I don't get a dog in that hunt.   So that's kind of   I don't know that I made a price prediction last year. I don't remember. And, if somebody wants to fact check me on that, feel free to do so. You can boost in if I said we were gonna hit a 100,000 or   I I don't think I said any kind of crazy number. So it would probably be a 100,000 if I said anything.   I doubt it because I was looking more at the long term. I will say this.  

I believe   the view that I held a year ago was not,   positive enough, if that makes sense.   So we're sitting at at 96,000   right now, actually getting closer to 97.   We've already hit a 108. We've been around 90 to a 100 for a while now.   Going on a month, actually,   or getting closer to it, I think.   And   we're building a base.   I do believe that   2025.   I don't see how we don't.   I I what did I say here? I wrote all this down.   150 by the end of 2025.   That's easy.   Okay?   And and that's if 2025   is the end of the 4 year cycle if we don't go crazy from there. I could easily see a 150 to 250   with some type of blow off top like what we did in   2017 when we hit 20,000 if I'm not mistaken.  

We did not have that during the last cycle. And frankly, that was because of the FTX debacle.   Okay? They were dumping   on the market,   and causing huge issues with all of their illegal activities.   So I think that's kind of almost a minimal case, a 150 to 250. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate because it's going to depend on what happens   in the next year, and we can talk about that. But let's just unpack that for just a minute. What are you thinking along those lines, Kenshin?  

[00:21:05] Kenshin:

Well, I go back and look at the math behind it. And when I see charts from plan b on Twitter and the power law,   they   they show even higher prices than that.   And this is without even a US government creating a strategic   Bitcoin reserve.   Mhmm. So   I'm a bit hesitant to make any price prediction because that's what I have in mind. And if I make a price prediction, it it will sound sound a bit ridiculous.  

[00:21:38] McIntosh:

That's okay. We can all be ridiculous here. My my my own to do it. My  

[00:21:44] Kenshin:

prediction right now is that Bitcoin will have a higher market, cap value than Microsoft.  

[00:21:51] McIntosh:

I want to put out that out there. Okay. And I think I've I you said that for this year Not for for 2025.   I think I said that as well, but maybe not within the same time frame. Said 2 years, and I said Yeah. 1 year. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I love your memory. I wish I had it.   That's good. Yeah. And that's what we said,   a few episodes ago when we were talking about   Microsoft and with them ditching or not even looking into Bitcoin, essentially. Yeah.  

[00:22:20] Kenshin:

So so that's good. I could go with that. In that in that sense is around a 150 k price range. That's all it needs to do to reach Right. 3,000,000,000,000   in market cup.  

[00:22:32] McIntosh:

And I'm afraid well, given what I just said, I think you're gonna win that bet because I think it's gonna happen this year. So   we'll see. You're also predicting a 150 k, so it's basically I I know, but it was longer. Well no. But with the Microsoft thing, I didn't realize their market cap was as low as it was, essentially.   I didn't do the math, which I should have. Right?   And I love what you said about, you know, Bitcoin is it's just mathematical. And that's the thing that people don't   maybe they just don't understand. They think that it's just gonna kinda wander on.   And as there's fewer and fewer supply, which we we just mind, I did wanna mention this, the 19,000,000th   800,000th   block.  

And what that means is there's 1,000,000   200,000   left   Mhmm. Which is insane when you and and that's over the next 100 plus years, over a 100 years.   And what's insane is if you think about that, and then you think about companies like MicroStrategy   and potentially the US government   buying all these big blocks of Bitcoin.   What's going to happen? It it does not have a choice. You cannot suppress that forever.   If there's any suppression going on, there's just no way you can manipulate   a global market like that.   And eventually,   probably shortly, that price is going to go and it's not going to go in a gradual little manner, it's going to go in an exponential   manner. And it's gonna get really crazy,   really fast.  

And then everybody's gonna be standing around going,   what just happened?   I don't understand.   And then they're gonna realize,   oh, I need some Bitcoin.   And then they have to buy it   in buy it in at at a much higher price. The cynics would say at the price that they deserve, but I will just say at a much higher price.   Right?  

[00:24:33] Kenshin:

Anyways. Yeah.   And   and one one more thing.   And when when we talk about supply, then it's it's,   there is some debate online I've seen recently that,   supply shock will happen.   And this indicates   that there is no supply left. But someone made interesting comments saying, there's always going to be supply left, it's just at a higher price. So everybody has a price.   And the market Right. If they don't find one price at one level, the market then goes to the next level. That's exactly right.  

[00:25:08] McIntosh:

There will be people who will not sell it a 100 who may sell it 200. Or maybe they don't sell it 200, but they sell it 500. There will always be those people,   but there will be a contingent   as well   who either, quote,   either, quote, never sell or   at a much, much higher level. Maybe $1,000,000,   maybe even a crazy higher figure than that, which we won't even mention because then people will think that we're crazy   because they haven't done the math. Right?   So,   yeah, I think that's that's pretty good.   I do wanna talk about this whole   strategic Bitcoin reserve for just a minute. I don't wanna turn this into an episode about it. But part of my thought pattern,   lies around whether this gets   done and how it gets done   because that's coming up very rapidly. It probably will happen within the first few days of his presidency.  

I believe   at this point,   less than 3 weeks away, that what we will see is some type of executive order in the 1st day, if not well, the 1st week, if not the 1st day   to start a book Bitcoin reserve. If nothing else that they will take the 200,000   legal or illegal, you can argue about that. I I don't. That's not my my issue. Confiscated.   Right. Of confiscated   coin,   and that becomes the basis   for a strategic Bitcoin reserve.   That move alone,   I think,   would kick off a global Bitcoin race.   If they go further and start regularly   buying Bitcoin,   it's just going to throw gasoline on that fire.  

And if   either the first or the second of these happen, then my prediction   about 250,   150 to 250 is what I said.   It's null and void. It will definitely be higher, and I am not going to predict   on this podcast   what I think it may be. Because I don't know. No one else knows. We can speculate, but it's just pure speculation.   I would say this. One thing I did wanna mention,   the   plebs,   the public,   really,   the retail is what it's called. They have not started buying Bitcoin this cycle yet.   Just just so that you note that.   Everything that we've seen essentially at this point has been people who've already been buying Bitcoin   and corporate. That not not everyone,   obviously, but the vast majority. It's either been corporate   adoption or even governmental adoption as as we've talked about like with Russia where they're mining Bitcoin. They've admitted to that now.  

And current plebs.   It's not   the the general retail public. It's not your mom and dad. They have not joined in this yet. By the way, we are at 96,   948.   So we're about to break 97.   The market must have opened.  

[00:28:19] Kenshin:

Right. And and it's surprising to me also that we hit a 100 k and more, and   there's been so little attention to it.   I agree. And the FUD continues. You still see the same  

[00:28:31] McIntosh:

fear mongering about Bitcoin. It's it's it's a bit shocking. It will die off. You're right. It's crazy that it's gone on so long. But what we haven't heard so much in 2024,   certainly in the second half of twenty twenty four, is Bitcoin consumes all the energy on the earth and is bad for the environment and and whatever because that's just garbage.   Yep. It it's literally the number one industry in terms of renewable energy resource, and that's not by design. It's because that is the cheapest form of energy that miners can get   because they can take it in terms of stranded energy   in places that no one else can. Yeah.  

So if you wanna call that by design, then that is by design. It's not because   let's be honest, because they want to be green. It's because that's just what makes sense.  

[00:29:21] Kenshin:

Yeah. So they no longer have that argument. Oh, and Which I think is a a huge deal. Yeah. And I started mining this year, very small miners just for a heat at home, and I don't make money from it. I   it's the my electricity is much more expensive than the Bitcoin I receive. So, yes, you need renewables   to be to be profitable in a Bitcoin business. So  

[00:29:49] McIntosh:

Okay. So, yeah, if if we do have those things happen, then, you know, kind of we'll just have to see.   It could it could get crazy.   I don't make predictions, and I don't make suggestions,   financial advice other than well, I don't make financial advice, just to be clear.   But we do say what do we say? You should be DCA ing. But if we have nation state adoption, ladies and gentlemen,   especially in terms of not to diminish other countries, but in terms of the United States,   just because of the visibility of what's going on,   You need to consider that and you need to consider your financial future and what that means for you. And what I would do is I would sit down   as a pleb and say, well, the United States is buying bit coin. What does that mean? Does that mean price go up? Does it mean price go up dramatically?  

Is there any scenario where the price of Bitcoin is going to crater and go down to 0?   Is there any scenario where   5 years from now that we are lower than we are right now, and then you make the decision about what you want to do? I'm not gonna tell you what you should do.   But   the way that I see it,   that's a line.   When we cross that line of of major nation state adoption, and I'm again, I don't wanna dismiss El Salvador,   Bhutan.   Specifically, those are kind of the 2 countries that have   adopted Bitcoin.   But this major nation state adoption,   we can't go back from that.  

So,   anyways   and, actually, I have a nice little paragraph I was supposed to read.   Kenshin, I write up notes, and then I don't even look at them. I do the same.   I do wanna read this, though, in parallels very closely with what I just said to kind of wrap this up, and then we're gonna talk about our goals for 2025.   Okay? What should the listener do? What should the pleb do? I don't see why we shouldn't continue to stack sets daily or weekly. We say it every week. DCA.   If that's mining, that's great. If it's buying on strike, that's great. You do what you need to do.   Ideally, it's   huddle huddle, but or something like that, but that's I do understand that's difficult.  

Don't worry about it.   If,   or when or how much or whatever that Bitcoin may or may not drop after our cycle top next,   at the end of this year, I should say now,   in 2025.   If you happen to own any casino coins such as Ethereum, and I know some of y'all do,   the 4th quarter should be your target sell date.   Sell to Fiat, sell to Bitcoin your choice, but don't leave it in whatever that is, whether it's Ethereum, ADA,   whatever. And I can't guarantee you that every one of those coins, if you happen to own even just Ethereum and ADA, will make it to the end of the year. I've told y'all this before.   And, you know, I don't talk about this stuff very much because I left this stuff behind several years ago. It's been multiple years ago now. And I don't it's just it's not where I'm at.  

Eventually,   all of this stuff will go to 0 against Bitcoin.   If you wanna maximize your profit, historically,   for the last few cycles, what we've seen is that it will top out with Bitcoin essentially.   And at that point, if you wanna sell the fiat and then try and buy back in at Bitcoin at a lower price, that's your business.   If we do hit some type of what they would call a super cycle   because of this nation state adoption, if that is what happens,   then you will lose.   That's just plain and simple. So that's just basically a gamble.   It's a risk if you wanna put it that way.  

If we do have nation stated option,   do you wanna sell out to fiat? You may wanna sell out to fiat and do something like, I don't know, pay down your house or something, and I can understand that. That. Go listen   to to seed signers interview   that he did,   with us a long time ago at this point. I'm gonna try and have him back on actually.   But,   you know, he did that. He sold his Bitcoin at the top of a cycle, and he paid off his house. And he doesn't regret that. Now we're not at a $1,000,000 Bitcoin, but he doesn't regret that.   You have decisions that you have to make, and we're not here to make them for you. Let's talk about goals, though, for 2025,   Kenshin. Right. Do you wanna go first, or you want me to go more first? I can go. Yes. So my 2024,  

[00:34:30] Kenshin:

my personal review, I noted some stuff down that were unexpected and very positive in the Bitcoin space for   me.   So, I actually stacked more Bitcoin than than I planned   Yay. Because I was keep I did not. No?   Did you No. I did not. At least as much as you planned or  

[00:34:51] McIntosh:

as much as I could.   I'm an ambitious person, Kenshin.  

[00:34:55] Kenshin:

That's good.   Well, I was trying to to stack as much as I could and then I managed to put some extra that I have on the side. So   so that that was   felt good in the end. At least now in retrospect, it's always a stress. It's like, oh, what if something happens and I need to Fiat   sooner and   but now it feels better.   Another big,   milestone for me, it was that I met real Bitcoiners,   in person. Mhmm.   And true Bitcoiners, not just   on title, let's say.   And then I got involved with them,   a lot, and we built a website   called unaligned256.com,   which is has information about,   how to set up Bitcoin,   Multisig,  

[00:35:46] McIntosh:

especially with And we'll have these there's you have 2 of them, actually, I guess. And we'll put these in the show notes. Somebody just mentioned that.  

[00:35:54] Kenshin:

So that is 1. Then I try to   to build my own   little website,   about   selling Bitcoin nodes locally.   So I just bought a few used,   Lenovo ThinkCenters. There are those 1 liter PCs,   and they're ideal to become Bitcoin nodes because they're very powerful and very small and quiet.   So I just put,   big SSDs inside   and set them up with stars 9,   OS   and have them ready to be a Bitcoin node.   So that's another one. And then   with those,   Bitcoin guys that I met, we also started   a so called secret project.   That's a Bitcoin related project that we're very excited about, and we're working hard on it on our spare time.   And we hope around spring this year,   2025,   we hope we will have something to   to show and,   we'll talk about and hopefully  

[00:37:01] McIntosh:

Whenever you're ready, we'll talk about it on here. Yeah.  

[00:37:05] Kenshin:

My next,   milestone was that I finally,   bought 2 small miners.   They look like house heaters, very small,   very low consumption.   But I use them to heat up my son's bedroom   and another   storage room.   And they work good. I don't earn money from them, but at least I get some some nice fresh   sets out of the   directly out of the mining rewards. So that's Mhmm. That's good to have.   Well, of course, co hosting now with you,   the the podcast was a big milestone as well   and very positive  

[00:37:47] McIntosh:

outlook on the He keeps telling me he likes it. I'm   not gonna be convinced about that at least for 2 years, Kenshin. I'm sorry. I'm just  

[00:37:57] Kenshin:

Right.  

[00:37:58] McIntosh:

And He's looking for a better offer, people. Come on. We know.   Write your stats. Shouldn't be too hard to find one either. So  

[00:38:07] Kenshin:

Write your stats, though.   And then finally, I I think I orange peel quite a few members of my family   at this point. Mhmm. And they are at the level where they try to orange peel other members of our family as well.  

[00:38:21] McIntosh:

So that feels good. I think we'll see a lot of that this year as number go up. Right? Yeah. It's an easy proof of concept. It's a side effect. I'm not gonna say it's unfortunate, but it is a side effect of that. Mhmm. It it is unfortunate a lot of times. This actually happened to one of my family members. They literally bought in almost at the top,   and then they had to wait   for   4 years, right, until   not quite well, 3 years, right, until it got back into profit. So that was kind of unfortunate.   It's why I love to tell people to DCA.   But when you DCA,   it's a different set of problems. You have you really do have to have that long view. Mhmm.  

Oh, I'm buying 10 Bitcoin, not 10 Bitcoin.   Oh, I wished I was buying 10 Bitcoin.   I'm buying, you know, $10   worth of Bitcoin. And   even if it doubles, it just doesn't seem that impressive. Right?   Oh, now I have $20   which it is impressive.   But the reality is until you build that stack up, it's it's just not. Right? Mhmm. So,   we'll see.   But, yeah, that's always good. That's always me. Kenshin, I just realized something about you versus me.   You're very organized. Bullet points.   Alright. I I don't   you you know what? Wow. 2024   has been a world.  

I swear it was just Christmas of last year.   I I don't know. I don't have a list like this. I am still mining. I'm still continuing to mine.   I am thinking about self not self mining, self hosting,   trying to figure that out. I actually have some rigs that come up in February,   that kind of would come off their year rotation   at the hosting facility.   And I would love to have somewhere to put them and run them myself because that's that's been a bit of a challenge. I've not talked about a whole lot,   and I use KaboomRacks.   I've been very open about that.  

I don't think they're any worse than anybody else. I'll put it that way. I just think it's the mining business.   Unfortunately,   the incentives in the business are,   there to kind of tilt the table towards the mining company as much as possible,   and they don't   have an incentive   to   make you as happy as possible. Does that make sense? Because they've kinda got you locked up.   And,   so I've had some issues   towards the last half of   last year now. That's crazy to say. But yeah.   And and just in terms of cost and in terms of my control, I I'm kind of looking at at self hosting as a way of moving forward. I'm not sure that's gonna be possible at this point, which may mean   that during this cycle, I kinda it's like the the the casino coins. I may try and sell my miners at the top   for kind of the top dollar and then buy Bitcoin with that or or do hold the fiat to a lower price.  

Again, that's that is a speculation if I do that. So just to be clear.   I don't know because I I'm not super happy with the way things are.   All my minors are up and running right now. But even just a couple of days I mean, honestly,   I'll say this real quick. This actually literally just happened   2 days ago, New Year's Eve, very late.   Vanish, v n I don't know how to say it. VNSH,   they're a firmware   company.   So there's no open source firmware for these miners, which is actually part of the problem.   I wished I had the ability to do something about it. I don't really think I do.   But   the company, Kaboomracks,   they put vanish. They actually didn't tell me. They just did it, which is one of the   little irritants.  

Sorry, guys, if you happen to listen to this, but it's true.   They put them on my miners in order to,   in theory,   save,   electricity or whatever. The reality is it bought me nothing because I had to pay a flat fee essentially for my miners regardless.   This   vanish, they get a 2% dev fee.   That's how they make their money.   So, essentially, 2% of your hash rate gets siphoned off to them.   The idea is their their firmware is better, so you should be more efficient. So you should actually make more money.   Well, something happened to their setup.   And   everyone, not everyone, like,   80% of my miners went offline   the other night   because their stuff was down. Because, frankly,   if you follow me on Twitter, I posted about it because they write bad code.  

They did something that they should not have done, and they did it in a very   weird way.   And so   every miner who was running the Vantage firmware, and I'm gonna say Vantage whether it is or not,   it may be Varnish or something. I don't know. Went offline   for multiple hours,   and I had no control over. I could not go to a facility and update those to stock firmware or something like that. I literally just had to sit there. I sent a message to the Telegram   group. They said that they were looking into it. And, yes, a few hours later, they did come back online. Although some of them continued to cause problems, I think I've got everything back and running.   But me not having control over those is that's a problem.  

It's one I would like to fix. In 2025,   we will have to see if that actually happens. I I   have I written it down as a goal. I will when I take the time to do my goals.   I have not had a chance to do that yet.   But   it it frankly,   economically just may not make sense for me to do that. And if that's the case, then I will,   like I said, I'll probably just sell my my nodes at the top, essentially.   Hopefully, for more than I bought them, but we'll see how that works out.  

[00:44:41] Kenshin:

So so what are your actually actual goals for 20 25?  

[00:44:46] McIntosh:

Yeah. So let's talk about our goals for 2025. Why don't you go ahead well,   yeah. I've been talking for a bit. Why don't you go ahead and do yours? Yeah. And then I'll talk about mine. So as I mentioned, in 2024, I started a secret project  

[00:45:02] Kenshin:

here in Sweden, and I hope to finalize it in 2025  

[00:45:08] McIntosh:

and announce I will say this, Kenshin. You guys are doing a great job of keeping that secret because I did not know about this project until this morning.  

[00:45:16] Kenshin:

Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's a secret project.   I'm looking forward to that. That's awesome. That's why I'm busy in the rest of the week.   And,  

[00:45:26] McIntosh:

yeah. I I understand.   So apparently, I don't rank as high, but that's okay. I can I can handle that rejection?  

[00:45:35] Kenshin:

It's a scheduling issue.  

[00:45:37] McIntosh:

Oh, man. Alright.   What's your second goal?  

[00:45:42] Kenshin:

Yeah. My second goal is to to actually make some proper income in Bitcoin. I would love to to Okay. To do that and,   receive it straight in Bitcoin.   And if let's say best case scenario happens by the end of next year, maybe I could leave my fiat job.  

[00:46:02] McIntosh:

Okay.  

[00:46:03] Kenshin:

Very cool. Yeah. I would love to put a 100%   my efforts into something that I I really love and believe in and hope for the future instead of   my field job that keeps frustrating me more and more lately.  

[00:46:18] McIntosh:

Yeah. I like my job, and what I do is   it's meaningful.   We provide a service that's important. Let me put it that way, and I don't wanna say any more than that. But it's it's something that's that's useful that's used in the world Mhmm. On a daily basis. Okay?   I'll say that.  

[00:46:37] Kenshin:

I I I can say the same. There's I can say the same, but, unfortunately   well, it was actually my dream job when I got it. It was my goal coming out of university and everything.   And I got as almost as,   yeah, in a good position anyway as I could for now   at my experience and age. So   I could say it's ideal   for me, but   it keeps hitting me back in the face with a Fiat, let's say,   problems and   Right. Yeah. And I even posted, I think, yesterday about the taxes where I got very frustrated. Oh, yeah. No. You did.   I saw that. Yeah. So I worked a lot of extra hours in November and,   yeah, instead of getting   compensated for it, which I did, but   because of the tax bracket or whatever, that extra money gets taxed a lot more.  

So I worked harder for those hours and I got less pay per hour because   more than 50% went to taxes in Sweden.   So I got very frustrated.   It's a bit disheartening.  

[00:47:47] McIntosh:

Yeah. It's look. Everybody's on their own journey, and,   when you're ready to get off, if you're able to get off, then that's what you should do.   I'm not sure that I'm there quite yet.   Even if if let's just throw out crazy numbers if Bitcoin went to $1,000,000   in 2025.   I don't know that I would actually stop. I know that sounds maybe crazy.   It doesn't mean that I couldn't. It just means that I might not. I might make some rearrangements.   I might do something else a little bit, but that's,   you know,   I don't know. I'm built different than a lot of people. So,   for good or for bad,   I I don't know.  

But, yeah,   I would love to have the option. How about that? Can I say it that way? I would love to be able to quit my job.  

[00:48:39] Kenshin:

Yeah. So,  

[00:48:41] McIntosh:

I do wanna keep DCA   this year, of course.   For one thing, I think it's a great example. But for the other thing,   what I'm stacking right now.   Look, guys, I think   I think as crazy as it may sound, Bitcoin could still 100 x from here, not this year, but over time. And I'm thinking in in decades. I'm thinking in the lives of my children, not just myself.   Okay?   So I will continue to stack as long as I feel like I can,   and then maybe I'll stack some more just to make sure.   I would love to   lump sum some Bitcoin as well. I don't know if that's going to be possible.   It is possible that that is on my goals list because   I think it's a is I do think it's a good time   to buy.  

I think that the area that we are in, 70 to a 100 k,   is the bottom   worst case scenario for the next market. And so, basically, if I buy if I just went out and bought a $100,000   worth of Bitcoin, not that I could, but let's say I did.   I it's I'm not gonna be underwater in that if that makes sense. So   I've got a couple of,   professional go professional goals. I don't know. On here as well.   I I wanna build another lightning node.   I had one in the past. I shut it down. Actually, I've had a couple, but I shut them down. I wanna do it again. I think the software has matured at this point enough that it probably makes sense.   I would like to get off Satoshi Streams, which is what we actually use as our lightning service essentially   so that you're sending directly to the   satoshi's plebs wallet essentially.  

So that,   for one thing, Kenshin would actually have better visibility into that than what he does into satoshi streams   because I I wanna be accountable,   for another   because they're doing a service. They're taking sats off the top,   and I think sats are precious. They're kind of like the one ring in Lord of the Rings,   and we should not give them on to people that we don't need to. So,  

[00:51:02] Kenshin:

yeah. Yeah. There are there are a few I'm sorry. There are a few good options now with Albi Hub. There is   in general, with stars 9  

[00:51:11] McIntosh:

and Umbro. I actually think I'm gonna go with c lightning Yeah. Just on a VPS.   We can I I I would actually like to talk to you about this some more, but maybe offline? But,   yeah, I I think I'm gonna go with c lightning just like on an Ubuntu node.   We'll see. Let me I I'll talk to you about that a little bit more.   There are a number of options, and and   they are implementing   very important things like Bolt 12,   and a lot of just stuff that just makes it more stable   and that kind of thing. So it's probably time to get back involved in that. The second thing I wanna do next year or this year and I'm gonna stop.   It's gonna be a long year, Kenshin.  

I wanna build a coin join node. So as you know,   in last last year,   wasabi,   wallet, no, samurai, samurai wallet.   So wasabi withdrew from the market, at least from the US market.   Samurai got in trouble, though, because 2 guys were frankly   not that they should be in jail, but they were running their mouth too much on Twitter. And so they got made an example of is what happened. And I I don't think that they should be in jail, but that's,   in my opinion what actually happened.   But they were building mixing software.   CoinJoin is, as far as I can tell, the only   real   decentralized   mixing service out there at this point.  

And   I would this would potentially be a way for me to make some Bitcoin,   like what you're talking about   by offering a service that is very valuable,   especially for people who are,   operating under regimes who are   not so favorable to Bitcoin.   Right?   And this kind of thing. So I'm planning on doing that. I certainly have the skills to do that.   It does require   some putting Bitcoin   online   in a   essentially a hot wallet. It seems fairly safe, but at the same time, you're putting money at risk.   And that's partially why you make reward from that. There's a fee when you do that. So,   that's kind of my major ones for the year. I can suggest the jam application.  



[00:53:42] Kenshin:

Jam, like the jam you eat.  

[00:53:44] McIntosh:

Yeah. I'm aware of that. Mhmm. So Yeah. And that would be my plan, actually.   And this is something that I could document and, you know, we could put online or whatever. So I we'll talk about that as well.   We do have some other things really quickly. We're getting long, and I wanna wrap this up, and we've got to read your beautiful poem.   2024   highlights for Bitcoin itself. I don't know that we   can we cover that? We didn't do it. Not not specifically,   but maybe we can just skip these. Yeah.   We probably should've done those earlier, but we are getting long. I do you got to read this poem. He put this in,   simple x that we used to to talk back and forth. And I'm like Yeah. Did you write this? I I you just take it away, sir. This is I I should take the credit. Yes. I I   You did write it? No. I instructed  

[00:54:34] Kenshin:

Chachi Pitty to write a poem   with specific mentions. So I gave it  

[00:54:39] McIntosh:

3 things to Right. To mention at least. The prompts are very important when you deal with chatgpt   or any of these.  

[00:54:46] Kenshin:

So maybe I can take the credit.   Okay. Yeah. Here it goes then. That's the poem for Bitcoin in 2024.   Some overview.   And I have to just say before I I read the poem that yeah. I might stumble a bit because it's a poem and I'm not used to reading poems. So bear with me.   So, in the digital dawn Bitcoin soared high   crossing the threshold of a 100 ks sky.   A vision once whispered in code and in dreams now dances in markets with jubilant gleams.   Its journey was long with trials untold,   yet steadfast it stood, both daring and bold.   In in the face of inflation   it forged its own way,   a beacon of hope in the financial fray.  

As pixels and promise   unite in the night,   the world watches closely in awe of its flight.   For Bitcoin, the rebel has worked as it should, A testament true   to the power of good.   Onward it travels in blocks and in chains, a symbol of freedom where value remains.   In the ledger of time, its story unfolds   a digital saga in future it holds.  

[00:56:08] McIntosh:

Very good. That's awesome.   Yeah.   And that's that's it. So,   it's   2024 has been a good year Yeah. Certainly for Bitcoin.   And I think 2025   will hold even more of that.   So we do need to move on and get this wrapped up. We had 200 sets of streaming,   this week. No boost.   I do appreciate the streaming.   I'm gonna have to put up the sad puppy, though. I'm sorry.   We we do spend a fair amount of time doing this   and, would appreciate your support,   honestly.   So,   there were some news items. I wanna go ahead and take, there's not a whole lot. There was some stuff on Twitter, which I kinda wanna not skim through, but I'll I'll cover as well. But we had 2 items,   in our list. I wanna take the Argentina one   because,   because it's Argentina.  

Sorry.   And, there's there's another one as well, which is great. But Argentina,   this week,   2025 will be the year of Argentina. I'm just going to say that.   I don't know what's gonna go on the United States. I have a good idea, I hope, but we will see. I do know what's going on in   Argentina. The man, Malay, is down there.   He will go down in history   as   I don't even know how to put it.   I'm not gonna say the best president or whatever of all time,   but   he is   enacting   huge   changes and the world by and large is just ignoring it.   So they're axing all taxes   but 6. So he did an article, an interview, or whatever with Forbes,   and he said that he was planning to eliminate 90%   of their taxes. They have a tremendous number of taxes.  

And I'll read exactly what he said.   90% of tax is not revenue, but the number of taxes. So, essentially,   he's going to eliminate a lot of regulation,   which makes things very difficult to do bit,   business there. And,   to   to I don't know. It's when it's so complex. It just makes things difficult. He is simplifying all that,   and they will see that in their bottom line down the road. So, again, more good news coming out of Argentina. Sorry. Turning fanboy off now.  

[00:58:45] Kenshin:

Mhmm. Right. And the next news we have from El Salvador.   I thought it was interesting.   They had a figure that   in   22, 2015,   they had   6,656   homicides.   So 6,656.   And now closing the year 2024,   they had 114.   And that is approximately   1.9   homicides   per 1,000,   people population.  

[00:59:21] McIntosh:

Which How does that compare to other countries? Do you have any idea?  

[00:59:24] Kenshin:

I I'm not I don't have the numbers, but it says here that it makes it the   Western Hemisphere's   safest nation.   Okay. I don't know what's the Yeah. This the which countries are in Western Hemisphere as mentioned. But  

[00:59:40] McIntosh:

What does that actually mean? I know it means, like, the United States,   Canada.   I believe it means all of Europe.  

[00:59:50] Kenshin:

Let me look that up. It sounds a lot safer than Sweden, to be honest, because we have some crazy numbers right now in Sweden.   Oh, there it is. In US, it's   7.5.  

[01:00:02] McIntosh:

Yeah. And El Salvador right now is 1.9. So it's a lot safer. Yeah. And I don't as I mentioned to you before the show, I I just I don't talk about El Salvador outside of its Bitcoin stuff because it it   it creates controversy. And I I, you know, I'm not sure how I would feel if I was an El Salvadoran, so,   I don't even wanna stick my nose into it. But the reality is   that's a lot better than it was. It's a lot safer,   and they are benefiting from that. So I'll let other people   carry on with  

[01:00:38] Kenshin:

if they're doing it in the right way or or whatever. But Yeah. And the people down there love love Bukele who They do. Wrote all those changes. Argue with that.  

[01:00:48] McIntosh:

Very, very loved. So we got a couple of software updates. I cannot find this OX chat,   one. I don't know. OX chat did have a release, came out couple hours ago. I cannot put my fingers   on the release notes, so I cannot tell you what that is.   And then the only other one, it's been a slow week, of course, because it's right in between Christmas and New Year's,   with Fedimint.   0 dot 5 dot o, pretty big release, a lot of bug fixes,   tour support,   stabilization   of v 2 of the lightning module. I don't know what that means, but they are integrating lightning into it,   so that the arc,   I don't know what you would call them. The arc nodes, whatever, that they can communicate via lightning   between themselves and that kind of thing.  

Fedimint,   I guess I should say, is an e cash system. Essentially,   it's a federated system so that you don't have to trust one single   source, essentially. I have talked about it on here a little bit.   Mhmm.   Yeah. Bolt 12,   a bunch of bug fixes. So it if you happen to be involved in Fedimint, it's   it's definitely something you should be looking at. I have   maybe a goal for 2025 for me would be I need to look into eCash more.   I have not decided yet whether I like kind of the Cashew model where it's a single   node, single   person behind it essentially or company   or Fedimet where it's this federated model. I think the federated model might work in a lot of places.  

If you really know someone or it's a, like, a tight knit community kind of thing,   it seems to me that the Cashew,   model would definitely work a lot easier if that makes sense. So   I don't know.   E cash is a very interesting way in my opinion to kind of leverage the Bitcoin network to to scale, and I think these things are inevitable.   You can make arguments. Well, it's not Bitcoin. It's not on the main blockchain.   But if it is providing a service that people need   and it ties into   that system, then how can you argue with that?   So   Yeah.  



[01:03:14] Kenshin:

I'm not familiar with eCash yet, but I also have it on my list to learn more.  

[01:03:22] McIntosh:

Yeah.   It's it's interesting   technology, and it does provide some privacy   tools. Essentially, it's like a community bank, but it's private.   Like, I always uncomfortable when I go into the bank   regardless of the amount of money that I'm putting in or withdrawing,   to be honest, because I just don't like other people knowing my business.   I don't.   I'm just I'm that's just me. I don't like it.   Whether it's $10 or $10,000   or a $100,000.   Not that I've done that, but, you know,   it's just not their business. And   one of the great things about both of these systems is it uses   Chaumian eCash,   which uses a blinding protocol essentially so that they can't see what you're doing. It's terrific.  

I would love to see that technology actually integrated into Bitcoin, but I'm also realistic enough to know that that's not gonna happen. So   alright.   Let's wrap this up. We need to I hope y'all found this helpful.   I love doing these. I love kinda looking back.   I'm not a Nostradamus.   I'm not trying to make predictions here, but it's fun to do this stuff. You know?   I think, in general, 2025 is gonna be a great year, and I'm just looking forward to it. Mhmm. So   so how can you,   how can you help   satoshi's plebs?   Earlier,   we had our support section, and I mentioned that we had 200 sets of streaming.  

That is certainly one way of doing it, and I do appreciate that immensely. You can also boost the show   as well. Send us a message,   and let us know what you think. What are your goals for 2025?   What are your thoughts about Bitcoin? How high do you see it going? Maybe somebody's out there crazy enough to be like,   the Jan 3 guys,   Samson,   and say it's gonna hit $1,000,000.   I don't know. Actually, I think he said that last year.   I guess that didn't work out. But, you know,   maybe this is the year of the $1,000,000 Bitcoin. I don't know. If yes, what you think, please boost in,   and and let us know. Right?  

But there are actually a number of ways that you can support this podcast. Please tell other people about it. That is one of the best ways. We need to see our   listenership   go up.   If you like what you hear, if you like the interaction between Kenshin and I, then tell some people about it. You know? We've got a lot of plans for this podcast in 2025,   but we do need your support.   We are a podcast in 2.0 podcast. We take advantages of all those   a lot well, I'm not gonna say all, but a lot of those latest features, we do things like chapters and transcripts   to help make your experience better.  

You can grab a podcast in 2.0 app at the podcastapps.com   website.   There are a number of them.   I don't like recommending 1 or the other.   A lot of people do use Fountain. It's probably the most widely used one.   I do use it. I also use the Podcast Guru 1,   as well as Cast O Matic from time to time. Although, to be honest, I haven't used Cast O Matic in a while. How about yourself, Kenshin?  

[01:06:47] Kenshin:

No.   I haven't.   I prefer Fountain right now and Podcast Guru,   and I used to like,   Podverse.   It's open source. Hard words. Free and open source application.  

[01:07:01] McIntosh:

So   there are,   some great apps out there, and I would I would actually ask you to support the podcasting 2 point o community. That's something that I'm also somewhat involved in,   and,   it's a great group of people. So those apps are the way to do that.   What else?  

[01:07:24] Kenshin:

Before we close, I I can mention that Send It Mike sent us a message on.   It did. But, yeah, it was a group message,   which is not supported by all apps, as I see. On Amethyst, it's supported, but maybe not in your app.   So we need to revisit,   your message, Mike, and   to the next episode. We will have more time to discuss it.  

[01:07:49] McIntosh:

I man, he's gonna   we are not putting you off, send it, Mike. I don't know, Noster. And that's actually one of my goals for 2025.   I think I mentioned this already. I know I have, but   I'm gonna post on Twitter at least as much   as I do   on,   I I sorry. Let me rephrase that. Let me actually cut that out because, man, I'm gonna post as much on on,   nostrils I do on Twitter.   I actually did something pretty monumental a couple days ago. I actually deleted my Facebook app off my phone.   I have not posted once last year,   and it was just time.  

I'm not gonna tell you I'm not ever gonna go to a on a website.   Of course, I have a lot of friends who are on Facebook, but I did wanna remove that distraction   from my phone.   So,   yeah, Nostra needs some love, man. We I don't know. We need some more developers or something because it's got some rough edges.   I posted something, and   I can't find it.   I have no idea what happened. We were struggling with that before the show, that message about o x chat or whatever.   They did have another update, but I cannot tell you for the life of me what that actually is because I can't find it.   But send it, Mike. We   we appreciate it. Well,   we're gonna dedicate an entire episode.  

Maybe not. But, yeah, we're we we will definitely talk next time about that. We've already talked long enough.   So we're gonna go ahead and wrap it up here. Thank you for your support.   Thanks for being here, and we do hope this has been   helpful and entertaining.   We hope that 2025 is gonna be a great year. We would love to hear from you. We have all the ways that you can reach us.   At the bottom of each episode page on the website, it's satoshisdashplebs.com.   Com. Stay humble, friends. Go out. Make it a great week. We'll talk to you all soon. Happy New Year.   Happy New Year.