Should we be sceptical of people who claim to be experts?
In Episode #399 of 'Musings', Juan & I discuss: rules of thumb we use to decide who to listen to, why having some scepticism might be helpful, whether Sweden is a real place, whether you can separate the person from the ideas and trying to make the V4V pitch as simple as possible.
Massive thanks to Tallsiii, Cole McCormick, Petar, McIntosh, Emcot, Iluvsushi. Was a huge week of support, you're all legends!
Timeline:
(0:00) - We're not experts
(1:34) - Default & definition
(4:08) - How do you know truth?
(8:50) - Sceptical of people claiming expertise
(14:53) - The bad rap: deciding between options
(24:49) - Utility of scepticism
(28:23) - Boostagram Lounge
(39:44) - Red flags
(49:02) - Green flags
(58:15) - Summaries
(1:07:55) - V4V: It's exceedingly simple
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