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Trevor Bell is a former lawyer and host of 'The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove' podcast.

In Conversation #103, Trevor and I discuss: why he did pro-bono work for the Noosa Temple of Satan, our experiences travelling Mexico in different eras, why he's a big fan of V4V/listener support, the nuances of the value 4 value philosophy, the different monetisation models that podcasters can adopt and why he's not a fan of Bitcoin.

Trevor has generously asked for his 30% split to go to the Podcast Index, don't forget to boost!

Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(0:19) - Satan's lawyer
(5:01) - Journalist's love satanism
(8:26) - Don't become a lawyer!
(14:59) - Travelling Latin America in the 90's
(19:08) - Manufacturing Consent
(22:05) - Experiencing other cultures
(25:40) - Intro to P2.0 and staying small
(31:42) - He's not Anti-V4V, shame on Sam!
(33:21) - Is Patreon value 4 value compliant?
(37:18) - Our first PayPal donation
(40:29) - Say no to paywalls
(42:37) - Trevor's making me sweat
(44:07) - Where's the subscriptions?!
(49:08) - Should the nerdy tech stuff be foremost?
(58:16) - BTC has a lot of hurdles
(1:07:10) - Framing time and talent
(1:11:11) - Advertising bleh
(1:14:52) - The Feedback Loop: Say my name
(1:19:40) - Definitely fell into that one lol
(1:23:10) - The closed vs open business model
(1:31:24) - Critical but done with kindness
(1:34:46) - Ignorance is bliss
(1:37:05) - The Iron Fist & The Velvet Glove


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