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In Episode #446 of 'Meanderings' Juan & I discuss: getting to say goodbye to my mother, the terrible experience of flying into Australia, why it's hard to really know a person, improvements we are thinking of making for the podcast, why I'm tempted to go all in on handstands, Juan's new hobby of racing sims and my experiment of treating my home town like a new place.

No boostagram this week, very sad puppy :'(

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:33) Mum passed away
(00:01:48) Bitching about flying/airports
(00:10:32) Regrets and laments
(00:20:06) What would she have wanted?
(00:29:06) Boostagram Lounge
(00:33:01) Chris Williamson & Tim Ferriss
(00:37:47) More focus on fitness?
(00:45:13) Becoming expert at a niche
(00:57:47) Racing simulators & breakdancing
(01:08:29) V4V: Time/Talent/Treasure

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[00:00:06] Juan Granados:

Oh, yes. Welcome back Mere Mortalites to another edition of Meanderings. We are, if you're watching this live currently right now in the video, we are together, we are in a room. Kyrin is back. Back in Brissy. Back in Brissy folks, and we're right facing each other. We are in the home studio right now. We are doing a Meanderings today. It is 6 o'clock. It is, gee, I don't know,   9th May. We were talking about it earlier.   2024.   And you're back, Karen. I think we gotta we gotta get that that piece first and foremost sort of sort of with the with the folks at home. Yeah. For sure. No no need to beat around the bush.  

[00:00:43] Kyrin Down:

So mum passed away,   to a day and a half ago, I guess now on the midnight. So   I arrived back on the Tuesday,   went to see her straight away. And yeah, she was basically on a   morphine   pump. Just   promo dose had been like that for a long time. Not a long time for last 5 days or something like that.   Not receiving any fluids or   or food. So she wasn't going to last long.   And   yeah, just got to see her one last time. All of us, my brother, my dad   and myself.   And yeah, then,   the day that I arrived, she passed away in the in the evening. So,  

[00:01:27] Juan Granados:

and like at midnight or something like that. Don't don't know exactly when. Yeah. So we know we're talking about a little bit offline on the podcast anyways and one way we're saying, well, definitely timing if you haven't been kind of keeping in tune with your travels, you you were in Brazil. So you sort of made the made the comeback and sort of knew what was going on. Yeah. I didn't come back straight away. It was it was like,  

[00:01:48] Kyrin Down:

I honestly like to just look for a good flight. Like it was I could I could have come back a day or 2 earlier,   if I really wanted to. But it would   have. It still would have been hard. So  

[00:01:59] Juan Granados:

I think I came back about that when you could have fallen, you were talking about the previous podcast, there was significant cost disparities from going on a one way versus a return ticket as well. Yeah, it would have been like, Yeah, we gotta like, and there's all sorts of weird stuff like  

[00:02:14] Kyrin Down:

the LATAM, the big American   Latin American   airline in Latin America,   it's   has this thing where the domestic and international flights don't work out well. So if I, if I started my journey   domestically,   it would then give me like these crazy international flights going through Miami like 50 hours.   What? Yeah. Yeah. With, with layovers and, you know, just these random places. But then if I just went   all international starting from Sao Paulo,   then it would give me   nice, direct,  

[00:02:49] Juan Granados:

like the flight that I took there, Sao Paulo to Santiago, Santiago, Melbourne, Melbourne to Brisbane. Now that you say that, and so, yep, like, I mean, we wanted to obviously start up front with that. Right? That is why current's back. There is a reality that you are going to be leaving once again to go traveling at some sort of point into the future as well. Month and a half, I think. Yeah. So you will see Karen live, and we're gonna be continuing the podcast and doing our things. Right.   But that's, I guess, why there's been some shifts and changes and you see that we'll keep talking about it as we're on the podcast and sharing with people. But on the airlines,   actually made me think, and I guess I haven't considered it, but I've experienced this in the US and a few other places   that   in Australia,   generally   the flight timings is not too bad. Like you never get really, really messed around   unless there's weather issues or plane issues. Or Jetstar.  



[00:03:40] Kyrin Down:

Or Jetstar. You're not gonna get messed around by schedule. Yeah. That's pretty weird. It's really easy to get messed around the schedule when you're flying anywhere else that I've ever been. Yeah, the US seems to be really tight with this. Like, they're like, oh, yeah, you can you can make this one, but you have to run for it. The only time I've been in the US I had to prove a whole lot of Pretty much spring forward. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. It's been at least  

[00:04:02] Juan Granados:

twice where I have   been in the US   and coming into landing, I've had to go and talk to   please tell them to, like, hold or something like that effect.   Whereas I've never had to do that in, like, Australia. That's never been something that's come up even in any international.  

[00:04:23] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Not not in many. I think we were played once. If if if we do wanna throw some shade on Australia though, Melbourne airport is a absolute bitch of a place to come into. Why international? International.   And,   I would just say anyway, international coming to Australia.   So last time I flew international was   2019 coming back here   and   that was from   Japan into Gold Coast Airport. And I don't remember it being, you know, Gold Coast Airport. It's   it's small   easy to get into like, you're not going to have real issues no matter how bad things are the bureaucracy there. It's like it's not too difficult. Yep.   But   just just coming from Santiago, man. So they had all these announcements in Spanish of   you can't have, you know, milliliters going into Australia, more than 100 ml of bottles and stuff. And I was like, okay, well, that's, that's weird that they're saying that. But, you know, because we're already in the airport, you know, you can be buying   duty free stuff, alcohol and things like that. So I don't know, maybe I just thought like, oh, whatever. That does make sense. Yeah. Then getting on to the flight,   there was a big holdup and the holdup was because you're bored, you   present your boarding ticket. And then there's more security of like rows of people   where they're going through your carry on luggage   and just to check. Yeah. If you have any bottle, you have to throw it out, basically. And so this this lady had like stocked up on all this alcohol that she had to just leave behind   in the duty free section   20 meters from the boarding gate. And it was just like,   what? And yeah, Australia has ridiculous.  

It makes no sense. Like everyone on the flight was dehydrated because no one's bringing water on the plane. And they're not going to have enough, like, really water to serve you. It's not like everyone's asking for, for   water.   And then   and then just arriving in Melbourne, just shit show, man,   you know,   presenting ticket or do the fast track thing, you get there. And then it's like, have you been in South America, which I already took? We're using the bloody paper. Yeah,   things to declare   stuff.   And they don't use it. And then you get into the, you know, you finally get your baggage and then you have to go through another thing. And then instead of going through   and, you know, actually checking your declared stuff, this guy,   you know, they'll just have agents walking through the line where everyone's lining up   and then just manually being like, do you have this thing? Oh, no, you don't have. You can go on that line over there. It's just shit show, man. Just I I often think that a lot of that is almost intimidation.  



[00:07:05] Juan Granados:

Like hey if you're. Yeah, well   or anywhere but it's just you know if you're dodgy   if you're thinking you're gonna get   away with it, we'll make it confusing. We're gonna make it It was certainly confusing. Yeah, something like that. We're gonna make it confusing. They're gonna make you know, it doesn't seem like you know what you're doing. It at least I felt this before when I've gone to the US. I felt like, oh, I've gotta be like really squared away. And what are my answers that I'm gonna give you here? So maybe there is something to that. Yeah. Well,  

[00:07:32] Kyrin Down:

I it's a terrible   place to come into. I felt really sorry for anyone international coming in. You know, if you've got dodgy,   I, you know,   me coming in perfect English kind of knew what I've been in airports before, but I didn't know what to do, man. I was like, should I line up here? Do I go over here?   All of it was was terrible. And,   and on the other side, on the flip side, Brazil.   So I took a domestic flight to South, to Sao Paulo and then an international flight flight from Sao Paulo to Santiago.   And when I arrived in Santiago, they had another small like bag checkage thing   for connecting flights, international ones. And I'd been through this before   because I remembered   it. Oh, yeah. It was because   vice versa coming into Santiago and Sabrina, I could do the same thing   and it's just one small like baggage   thing just for your carry on luggage.  

You put it in, there's like 3 agents there. And I was going through that and the lady pulls me aside and she's like, Well, I need to check. This thing goes into my toiletries bag looking in there. I'm like, oh, okay,   whatever. And she couldn't see anything but put it back in. And then the guys like that, there's definitely something in there. Guys digging in.   I had my pocket knife in there. I didn't even realize they flew   a domestic flight and international flight with a full on, you know, pocket knife   with balls stabbing things. Yep. Hanging around. No idea. I had no idea. So now were you shooting your pants? So you're like, oh, man, they're gonna take me away here or they're pretty cool with it? No, they're pretty cool. They're just like, you can't have this. And I was like, I agree. I can't have   that. The disappointing thing was it was my my grandmother gave me that on my on my mom's side, actually, from cheese. I must have been like 12 years old or something. So I've had that for 2 years. Do I take this? They just throw it away. Yeah. And then they just drop it in the bin. It's like, oh,   yeah, that sucks. But   that was my fault. I shouldn't  

[00:09:27] Juan Granados:

I remember when I was   13 years old. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure this is high school that we did a tour to yes. No. It was year 11. Year 11, we went to the airport, Brisbane airport, and we had to sit and watch the planes   in time when they were doing their things, the changeovers. Oh, yeah. Because you domestic normally takes 30 minutes and international takes 60.   For whatever reason, I wasn't thinking about this. We   had to go through the security gates to get there obviously. And I'd taken my school bag and in my school bag was a 30 centimeter like steel sharp ruler. And I remember just walking in and they were like, there's something in this kid's bag, he can't go in. And I was like, what? There's nothing in there. And they pulled out the steel ruler and they had to throw it away. And I I remember being like, no. My steel ruler, it's gone. How can I smack people on the knuckles?  

[00:10:20] Kyrin Down:

You   flick them on someone's knuckles.  

[00:10:23] Juan Granados:

Don't know. I'm thinking about it, man. What a what a lame ass tool. We just didn't be like minute checks.   Yeah. The ones to dream world were way better than that. Those were better physics strips. Now you named this podcast,   was it life lessons like short life?   That was the other one. I can bring it up as quickly of what we actually had   called it because I wanted just to check with you with it. Thoughts on life.   Thoughts on life back in Australia.   Was there anything on the on the topic of thoughts of life? So, I've got a couple of things in my mind, but don't know how well they attained to thoughts on life. Yeah.  

[00:10:56] Kyrin Down:

I guess continuing on from   the the one we did just before I left   the   it's still you   know, it hasn't really, like, hurt me. Like, I haven't been overwhelmed with grief and,   you know, even even like waking up to the message that she passed away from that, pass it on.   Even that didn't, you know, reflected on it for like half an hour now, but   it didn't hurt as much as other. I've had way worse days in the last 6 months. Way, way, way worse days in the last 8, 9 months.   So, yeah, just kind of continuing on from that. I don't know if the grieving process of I've already done it, if it's still to come.   Yeah. I remember on the book on grief and grieving, I read that probably about a year ago   and   yeah, it was it was like the DAPDA   denial,   anger,   depression,   bargaining, depression, acceptance. It's like the 5 things from it. That's just a general rule. And it said like, you know, people can skip one. Some will be wrong out. Some could be like super long.  

Maybe that stuff will come. I tried, like, looking at myself, like,  

[00:12:07] Juan Granados:

oh, I can't really. What it where is it? Why? Where am I in the stage? There's definitely been, like,  

[00:12:13] Kyrin Down:

depression,   hearts, anger, you know, sometimes I'll be like, and it's it's fucking unfair.   It's definitely unfair.   But then, you know, we're in the pallet of Care Ward and there was like a 40 year old guy in there. It's like, well, that's not fair either. That's that's even more unfair.   So, yeah, it just hasn't it hasn't hit super hard.   One of the things I was thinking, though, was just,   you know, did I have any regrets or anything that I regret   with with mom? And there was one thing that was similar to dad's where   I remember I think it was   I was definitely in Brisbane.  

So it was either in   and it wasn't during COVID times. I'm thinking it was like in 2019   that,   Michael Buble or it could have even been earlier. So 2017,   Michael Buble was coming to Brisbane. And I remember he   he was going to play in like the Suncorp Stadium or something like that or the Gabba maybe.   And the,   my mum loved Michael Buble. It's one of one of her favorites. And   I had the money. I had the money. I could have bought tickets.   Yep.   It, you know, back then I was more in scrimping, saving,   you know,   and and I just I went like,   yeah, that's, that's one I regret. I could have taken her to that.  

You know, she, she was never like the biggest on live music.   I don't really recall her going to too many big concerts or things, but I'm pretty sure she would have enjoyed that. And I go,   Yeah, that's one I should have just gone. All right, this will cost a grand for, you know, the 2 of us or maybe even more if my brother or dad wants to come along.   I should have pointed out that how  

[00:14:05] Juan Granados:

reflects back on 2 years ago, though.   Was that something that would have come up on your mind and being like, oh, yeah, you know, that bubbling thing back in 2017?   We should have done that.  

[00:14:17] Kyrin Down:

No, not   particularly because   the mom was still going out with my dad to a lot of concerts and things then. So they were going to the ballet, they were going to musicals if they're on and things like that. So   it didn't really come up then. It was just one of those ones where it's like,   when I was in the hospital,   I've got a like a big sheet and it's like a tree and   like a diagram where you can where it says, you know, favorite color, favorite thing,   sons, relations,   home location, best, best travel story or thing, things like that. And you're just meant to answer like 1 or 2 words in there.   And   because I did I've done this every time I've visited her and she's in the new room, I'll just like draw an arrow and then just start listing off all this random stuff. So I was writing things like   additional,   has really tasty hair, but doesn't like it being eaten,   doesn't understand what before can means, you know, all of these like really niche specific stories which   would,   yeah, favorite nickname,   Susan Lansdown, pans down, Well, you know, just all this stuff   where   it would be if someone came in a nurse or something, that'd be like, no idea. Yeah. That'd know that just be like, what the hell does this mean? Like, what's the story behind that? Maybe ask my dad. My dad would have no idea either. Yeah. And,   yeah, I was I was just writing.  

And in the process of doing that, I was just thinking back and being like, oh, okay, what   what are some stories   of from mom that are like funny stories or memorable things?   And yeah, it just came up. It was like, oh, yeah, that that would have been memorable. If I, if I had   gone to with her to see Michael Buble,  

[00:15:59] Juan Granados:

I'm pretty sure that would have been memorable. Up on the on up on the list. One thing that's, again, interesting, I've compared it before   how often the reflection of birth to death,   is a, you know, a comparison to things where you're talking about the whiteboard. And it made me think of, I've got a photo of the whiteboard when, you know, my daughter was born and it was kind of not not similar, but it's this whiteboard where they have all the details of the baby and weight and what happened and the timings of things.   Like, it makes me be like all these reflections of man, there's a lot of there's a lot of similarities when it comes to birth and death in a lot of perspectives. Yeah, but to say, say 2 years ago, you wouldn't have reflected on.  

Hey, that yeah, this happened 5 years ago. And you know, we shouldn't have done that. Which then   makes me to think,   what if you could look at it now, what would be a learning from that to help you then do that more as time goes through kind of moving forward. So I'm gonna give you so offline, we're talking about for my partner's birthday.   We're on this helicopter ride, we spent a good amount of money, you know, similar thing of spend money. Don't worry about that. Yes. I've also been in a mindset before of no, no, no. I've got to hoard my pennies and make sure that things are going well or else, you know, this is not gonna that's my optimization   and maybe I'm moving   fortuitously to   a a kaka optimized for enjoyment and fun and making memories.  

But I don't know. I don't know where   the opportunities I'm still missing   to even either reflect on it or how do I go, you know, I was again talking, you know, do I start doing some of these things every fortnight to try and encourage and create these things? I don't know. Have you reflected on that at all to be like, how do I,   how if there was a regret there, how do you start   moving it forward? So you're applying it also? It's hard.  

[00:17:52] Kyrin Down:

The last night we   this being my myself, brother and dad,   we went out for dinner and   we just went to like the food court in Mount Gravatt, where there's all sorts of different restaurants. And this is the Chinese  

[00:18:07] Juan Granados:

Asian food court or is this the outside food court? The outside food court. Outside food court. And in there  

[00:18:13] Kyrin Down:

we're just like, oh, we should try something new. And I went, oh, you guys haven't been to this Malaysian restaurant. Went to there. It wasn't. Papa Rich Not does not exist anymore. Yeah. Another Malaysian restaurant.   I swear this place was here. But yeah,   and,   it was great meal. We really enjoyed it. Everyone really enjoyed it. And we're just going like, you know, it's risky sometimes   go into a new restaurant because there was there was some favorites that we could have had. We could have just gone somewhere where we knew we're going to get to the trusted a decent meal.   And I kind of feel like the   gift giving our experience and   buying things like going, you know, paying extra for something,   it's risky.  



[00:18:54] Juan Granados:

You know, that  

[00:18:56] Kyrin Down:

I think the Michael Buble concert would have been memorable,   but I don't know for sure.   And so   it's one where   all I can think is, you know, me personally, I optimize   or prefer   personally   experiences   rather than   rather than, you know, things. So   spending the money to go to Brazil, I knew it was a risk going there that   that there's a very good chance I'll be heading back soon. And I think my dad even said, you know, like,   if you only go for a month, which I was there only for a month, would it still be worth it? And I said, Yeah, that'll be worth it. So, you know, that's   what an extra like 3 and a half grand or something, which   I could I could have avoided if I wanted to, but it was it was worth it for that.  

If I spent 3 and a half grand on   a watch,   you know, I'm not   personally going to enjoy that.   For mom,   you know, if were there things if I could have spent 3 and a half grand on her that she would have really enjoyed?   I don't know.   And probably the the other learning I've got from this is   a lot of times people say like even just in the aftermath of like the immediate like, well, what are we going to do   for, you know, her funeral? What are we going to do for,   like a memorial service and things like that?   And   mom didn't have any specific clear instructions on what she wanted to happen. And so,   you know, dad suggested some things that,   that she probably would have liked. And   I think when it's in the process of someone's   passing away or   has passed away and you go,   you hear all the time, oh, it's what they would have wanted. It's what she would have wanted. What what or asking the question what they would have wanted.  

I don't like that question.   In the sense because you're guessing. Yeah. You're guessing all the time. Kind of want some certainty of that of that level. Yeah. And,   and just to highlight this on the   on the board,   that had written down mum's favorite color is red. And   I distinctly remember her telling me her favorite color was green. But this was, you know, 15 years ago. And so   you know, who who was right there? Dad was saying, well, you know, she liked to buy red clothes. She bought this red painting and things like that.   But I definitely remember her saying green was her favorite color. And so   you can have,   you know, competing things on what what she would have wanted based on that. Yeah, that's memory. Yeah. Yeah. And   I think that's one of those ones where it's like,   it's, it's good to ask those questions. And this is probably   it's not a regret. So it's nothing I could really have controlled, but   something I do lament about   even now is,   you know, I never   you know, she's never going to get to see   grandchildren   know them. Like, she she never get that experience.  

And I never got to know her kind of personally as an adult. You know, now I'm 32   and I can imagine her as a 32 year old once upon a time. Whereas when I was 20,   I couldn't imagine her as a 20 year old. Well, when I was 16, I couldn't imagine her as a 16 year old.   And   there's so many things I would have loved to have asked her about.   You know, what was it like having kids for the first time? What what were you thinking?   Why why do you love singing so much? Why? Like, why music? What in particular about it and things like that? That,   that kind of stuff. I'm kind of sad. You know, it's   it's I was I was too young to ask those questions back when I had the chance. Yeah.  

And that also relates to the what she would have wanted. You know,   I could have asked.   I could have asked some of those sort of questions,   especially when we're in   right when we got the diagnosis like 7,   7 and a half years ago.   And   to highlight that   when she got the diagnosis data, I was like, is there anything that you bucket this thing you would have always wanted to done something? And she said, Yeah, go to Uluru.   And so we did that. And   would we have ever gone if   instead of her passing away now after a long.   Well, imagine instead of passing away from from Alzheimer's,   it was from, you know, a sudden car crash. And she was in a car crash once. And   I don't know if she almost died, but it was it was pretty serious. The car got wrecked and totaled.  

Would we have ever gone to Uluru?   I don't know. Maybe not. She might have never, you know, stated that desire as something she really wanted. Yeah. And I think that's that's the  

[00:24:00] Juan Granados:

the dichotomy the balance of it all in the sense of   only in in the aftermath of sometimes an event or an action.   Can you look in retrospect and be like, Oh, well, of course, or Hey, I should have done this. And it's   like, it's equally where I'm looking into when you look into the future, it's like, well,   even with that retrospective view of what something's happened,   it is a very fickle thing to actually apply moving forward because   where do you choose to spend your energy right you can't spend it on everything and everyone that's not how life works just in the same sense that I could say hey well   yeah this is okay this just happened   I should be spending more time in the in with family   and friends but okay I won't maybe connect with this person because I'm spending more here and then all of a sudden this you know sort of close relation they also pass away As   our, shit, I didn't spend any money with them, man, we're like focusing on the wrong things.  

There's always a balance. I can only do so much as a human being, right? And it kind of makes me reflect on well, 1   always be   trying ultimately to be there energetically   with the people that obviously are going to be carrying most ballet. You can only   numbers number, but, you know, bring it all the way down. You might know a 125   people pretty closely,   but it's going to be that inner circle of 25 that you probably really care to make that really well established connection.   And at the same time   I think my learning from listening to you is kind of be like,   face it, no matter what you do, you're probably gonna have regret   somewhere somewhere because you're gonna at that point, you're gonna reflect   back and then think,   shit, that thing 6 years ago or this thing 4 years ago, you'll almost surely never have picked it up. Like you mentioned with Uluru, it just never would have raced because it would never have been talked about. So it wouldn't have been anything that you would have ever known until the end. And then you're like, okay, yeah. I think maybe  

[00:25:57] Kyrin Down:

more if you if you get the opportunity to   almost creating those kind of like intimate podcasting, things like this, and   trying to create those more with perhaps family members and things like that. I've been I've been thinking about that   with my brother, for example, because,   you know, there's   there's things he doesn't like to do   and which I know won't ever really happen. Like, we're probably not going to ever go out to a bar together is he doesn't enjoy drinking.   His   whole friend circle doesn't do that. So   so it's not going to really make sense. And so we're never going to have, like,   drunk d and m together. That's that's not a thing.  

But   after tonight, for example, we're going to go out and get Momo's chicken. He loves doing that. And   I was like, Yeah, you know what? That that is a time where it's an opportunity for us to to be together.   And would I normally do this on my well, certainly never on my own. Like, I don't really eat out at restaurants that often   And I'm definitely not driving all the way to run corn, just to get just get my most chicken on your own chicken. Yeah. But   doing it with him makes sense. And so   and then because we're there, the 2 of us will get the opportunity to talk and chat about   things. And so   yeah, I think trying and, and trying to do that with my dad as well. Like   there's,   which we used to have out like regular casino visits and that'll probably become a thing again.  

So I think   trying to create those   just times where you don't not in a rush to get anywhere. There's nothing to do other than just like chill out with a person and chat.   And that's the opportunities where you'll maybe get to ask those questions of if you could do anything,   what's your favorite color? Why is that your favorite color?   All those sorts of random things which you maybe never   do in the day to day business of dinner,   of, you know, taking Vienna out to, you know, the hospital if she needs to or daycare or Well, and I think that's one strategy, at least for me again moving forward.  

[00:28:08] Juan Granados:

The room that I've got set up and the ability to do podcasts and conversations, I go, okay, well, if I'll have to apply something of a learning, at least from a   daughter perspective, I'll go, okay. I am gonna go down the path   of having those more more of those conversations,   exploring it through trying to find those time. But you never know, she might rebel against it. She might not want to do that. But I'm like, I'm going to try somehow like in an earlier stage. Maybe there is something to humans that it takes, you know, obviously not at 16 or 20 maybe.   I don't know something happens either it's a live event or just age in general and you're getting wiser that you go, okay, cool. Yeah. I can actually talk to my parents in this way. And if it's still the same with me, right? I was younger. Of course, you don't recognize that your parents were also the same age as you or they went through their own stages and all that sort of stuff until later and you're like, oh, damn, which,   you know, becoming a parent yourself, it's like one of those life events where you go, oh, yeah, shit.  

All of these things they did with me, I must have been an asshole,   all that sort of stuff. So  

[00:29:06] Kyrin Down:

a bit of pause. We'll have a look at some of the boost diagrams that have come through. Yeah. So I don't think we actually got any for this week. I haven't actually looked got some live ones. And that's partly my fault because we recorded. But   then I was catching up with Lucas right after our recording and then   sleeping and then catching a plane and then catching another plane and then catching a plane. And then just to top it off, I call it one more plane.  

[00:29:29] Juan Granados:

So now you are correct. You don't have any PC games that have come through at this point in time. So it's a sad puppy. That puppy that puppy at this point in time. Partly my fault.  

[00:29:37] Kyrin Down:

I did. I mentioned this in the discord, but   we had like this integration on our website   called Bash   and I got an email saying that we're shutting down this integration thing. So I just took it off our website.   We got 100 sets from that.   Very was possible that I was testing it out and that was the 100 sets. But  

[00:29:58] Juan Granados:

100 times zats on the lens. Yeah. And, and,  

[00:30:02] Kyrin Down:

no, it's cool. It's cool. Like experimenting with these things, but also,   you know, leaning into the things that really work well. And,   yeah, boost the grams have been   good, been pretty good, but there's times where they work better and then times when they don't work as much. And so for like the the bookers   book reviews, for example, they never really   caught on with that,   with that audience and things like that. So yeah, I think I think this is worth  

[00:30:31] Juan Granados:

we're going to talk more about this. Yeah, well, I think explore let's explore it now. It which is   so that's a good point. The book reviews, the book reviews that we do   didn't take off or haven't taken off from a boost to grant perspective   or like that support from that support model,   as well as   if you compare it if you look at it in the other platforms it's actually more it's actually well like you know valley for valley from a obviously   I think it's obvious that the valley for valley model   Joshua would have more support in that model. Correct. Totally get it. But it's weird for me to see that   still predominantly across the mere mortals podcast and the mere mortals book reviews.  

There's   more viewership in the mere mortals book reviews, and there's more interactions and there's more commentary   than there is on our normal be immortals podcast that we're doing right now.   And   it makes me reflect as to whether   is it that right now the audience that exists in the space that would boost boost to Grandview or is utilizing valid value   is very niche to   Bitcoiners  

[00:31:36] Kyrin Down:

and technology. It's space. It is still niche. Like if you look at the fountain top charts, for example,   regularly it'll be 6 out of the top 10 are Bitcoin shows, which which makes sense.   But   if you had to take Fountains whole,   viewing catalog, for example, and that would probably those probably aren't the most viewed shows or the most listened to shows on on fountain, for example,   so that they're getting like outsized returns from  

[00:32:08] Juan Granados:

the. A handful of supporters.  

[00:32:10] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Because   because it's related to I think that they love and, you know, the app is kind of designed for that.   So yeah, it's, I've been,   I've been going through some just,   it was like South by Southwest.   There was a,   they had all of these videos and stuff related to   keynote speakers   video.   There was a Tim Ferriss one there. And then I was just going through this whole catalog and it was just saying like, oh, you know, this one's related podcasting. I'll listen to this and then,   you know, even even if the boostograms are still like new and early, it's still so much more exciting and interesting than anything else. Than what's going on. Anything that's like mainstream   talks about,   It's all just about adtech.  



[00:32:58] Juan Granados:

There's there's nothing exciting or interesting going on with any of that stuff. It's the most interesting thing that I have seen of just broad podcasting at the moment   was Chris Williamson's   big video.   He's kinda shoot that, you know, we kinda mentioned it to you and he's done it with a couple of people including Tim Ferris and a few others. Yeah. But it's more of itself. It's just that the video like   visual cue   augmentation   than it is anything else in relation to   functionality   or the way that you interact. Yeah. That that's  

[00:33:31] Kyrin Down:

all on the consuming   side of things in the sense of,   or the producing side of things, I should say. He's just   you know, going crazy hard at and   in the production or   me, me, me, if you want, if you want to put it that way and nothing related to the   actual interacting with the audience. He still just does, you know, basic q and a's through YouTube   comments, I think is how he does it.   So yeah, I think I think   it's still the right way to go, which is the interaction   that that needs to change, man. The it is the social platforms just   that they just lack they lack the bite. There's there's there's more to be gained. Yeah. And so just before on Chris Williamson,   he had Tim Ferriss on and he has the most boring questions. And I was so disappointed.  

Halfway through it. He asked him what Tim asked everyone. You know, like, what's your most gifted book? Tim has answered that like fucking 50 times, man. He's talked about that so often. Well, no. I'll even go I'll even go a step beyond in that.  

[00:34:39] Juan Granados:

I don't know   what level of preparation Chris had for that conversation with Tim Ferris. I don't know if   maybe he was not playing it safe or whatever. Right? You don't we don't know. We've had a good and bad interviews ourselves.   But one of the things that struck me was   a lot of the questions, if you really look at it closely, he asked a lot of questions, which Tim had written articles for like giant articles or has talked about already. That's true. Yeah. And then in the answer   that Tim would provide,   Chris would then refer to the article and be like, oh yeah when I was reading it I thought about this. So you could tell that it was very like   it wasn't   you're asking this question genuinely from   you wanting to talk about it. It's,   I want to talk about it so I can get views and this is something that people want to listen to. I got a little feel for it. I got a little bit like oh man because one of the clear questions that Chris asked was   you know, how would you try to explain to someone around depression,   and around, you know, that that sort of feel.  

And   Tim has put, like, one of it, the major articles that Tim has put out is that around,   when he almost created suicide and it's a massive suicide prevention article, which is one of the most popular ones that Tim has. And then Chris referred to that one as well after the question was asked. So I was like, dude, you obviously know he's in like, you can get better at those.   So I don't take it away because I think he's a really good podcast. I like Yeah. Yeah. A question asked. But that one, it has left me lacking. I'm I'll be listening to it. And I went   1.2, 1.5, 1.8, 2. I'm like, oh, it's gotta get through it.  

Yeah, no, honestly, but this is getting to the point of, so we talk about it, sad puppy, no boostograms   and again realistically   long term I think we're still we're still putting our bets on a long term view that we see   value for value interacting in some way shape or form that's going to be better than the current system. Yeah. Can I see anything happening right now? But what's started getting into my mind is okay   are there other ways that we can in a value for value   talking point,   we can provide value to people while listening to the podcast or in general, right? Being in the mere mortal light space.   Can we do things to   expand our reach, help people in some other valuable way and also return some value back to us so that we can   continue in the medium term to do the podcast and other things   that will eventually hopefully become the only thing that we do and that can be the focus or other things that we find that they're fun. So one of the things I remember ages ago, I was talking about goal setting   and, like, oh, maybe I'll create, like, a PDF thing for it and I'll share it on the website and that'll be how maybe we can get some,   emails and subscriptions.  

I remember sending it to Joey. Joey could do a verification review.   I still have that document   and   on the side I've joined that group, lewis mocker school of mastery   and some of the billionaire, you know, is there ways that we can monetize that?   And I go, do I want to do that? Do I have time? Do I not have time? Does that match what we're doing?   I don't know. I'm still   very much just thinking it through, thinking it through of   what can we do? What can we do that's going to help out people? It's going to find more value. You you were talking about it off the podcast around   more live more live interactions with people, right? Almost just putting yourself live, talking,   interacting if people come on to it, but just being more present, I guess, on the airwaves. I think it's still the experiment  

[00:38:07] Kyrin Down:

kind of thing that we need to be doing. You   know, I could go live and it could just be shit and no one no one wants to join. And that's   okay. Well, obviously this is invaluable. Yep. You know, move on. Lucas, for example, he he gave me some very valuable feedback, which I've been thinking about for a while, which is he was going   like, current you've   you don't really talk about fitness much on the podcast yet. That is   so much of what you do. So much of your day is related to that. You've spent we're   doing some calculations.   I've done more than 100,000 kick ups of handstands   And,   yeah, you know, if   if I get to where I want to get, it'll probably have been more than a1000000 in   in total. And   I was just thinking, like, I spent so much time doing fitness stuff.  

And   he would love to know know everything about it. He'd love to know my thoughts on that. And I go, you know, okay,   this is something that both you and I do a lot, but we really don't talk about it that much on here.   It would be worth having   something dedicated. And you did your little mere models.   What would you call it? Meals fitness? Meals. Yeah, I think it's called me more emotion. It was emotion.   But, you know, that was that was just like a little side thing that was added in randomly here and there.   You know, it wasn't super detailed. It wasn't   you putting a lot of effort into it. And I went, you know what? I did start this spreadsheet   a couple of years ago, and then I abandoned it because it was getting so large that my computer was crashing and I'm just using Excel like I'm just putting numbers into a spreadsheet and it's crashing   and it's and it was all of my gym data from the first   probably about the first 5 years I wrote down   and I never converted that into a digital format   or like it was a digital PDF of of a photo. So it's not actual numbers in an Excel spreadsheet.  

And so I was starting to do that and then it, you know, it just got too much. I wasn't I wasn't really sure what I was gonna use it for. And so I've still got it.   It's called like gym data   in my Dropbox. Yeah. Okay. I be open, it just crashes your computer. Yeah. Yeah. And I just went, you know what? You know, I do have all of this stuff.   And one of the problems I've always had when I've been searching stuff on YouTube is,   okay, I want to   get in like a 2 minute long handstand   and one finding specific training for that is kind of hard. And then   2, I don't know how long it takes to actually get that. I've no   time frame or horizon of, okay, if I'm at   if I'm already at a minute, how long would it take to get to 2 minutes? How much training would I need to do?  

And I'd be able to tell you, I'd be able to say like, look,   this is how many reps it would take. And,   one of the things that would you see a lot with gym people or fitness people,   especially if they're trainers,   they don't like to give   recommendations on like, this is how long it'll take because,   you know, they've got a business, they've got people coming to them. If they, you know,   say it's going to take this long and it was actually takes twice the amount of length that looks bad on them and things like this. They're all really cautious.   I don't need to be cautious. Like, I can just say   this is this is like data that I have   case study of 1, but this is how long it takes.  

Maybe I would add in   from what I've seen with other people, this is how long it take. But I'd be able to create really interesting graphs of   I you will have to do the cumulative   of,   you know, a 100000   seconds of handstands to be able to get to a minute and a half handstand.   You'll have to do, you know, 30,000   presses until you're able to do a pipe press or something like this. And   yes, of course it's just me. I'm different than other people. It's not going to transfer over for everyone, but   I think people would find that interesting. I would if there was a person creating that sort of stuff. You would be concerned. I would definitely be going after that. And so   that was one of the ones where I'm like,   Yeah, it's, it's   one finding the ways to connect with the audience. But then it's also like we need to create the really good, like the really good stuff, the things that I really want to consume. And well, and this this gets some some of the musings episodes. I look at the past. I'm like, goddamn, that was. Yeah, it was good. It was fun. I enjoyed it, but I'm not sure how valuable or helpful that is to  

[00:42:42] Juan Granados:

look honestly, there's   it's interesting because just broadly content wise,   there's been some   some out there like   homozy,   who was doing really, really well edited,   high costs videos to try to get across to people. And he came out a couple of months ago now, I think.   We basically said, hey, I'm I'm gonna stop all that because when I actually looked at it realistically of, well, what is the outcome that he's trying to get, which is get better leads of businesses into acquisition.com so that he could potentially help them out and get more money that way.   The stuff that he was pulling out he was like honestly it's just a simple video he's in the simple you know card and me riding on the board for 40 minutes   All of that   was actually converting better for him into that regard  

[00:43:32] Kyrin Down:

than it was I mean, it's the other thing. The other stuff would just be for casual consumers who like the bright shiny lights. Exactly. Exactly. And  

[00:43:40] Juan Granados:

that that and a whole host of other things started to make me go look.   Like again, the the pivotal question like what do we want our   listeners viewers to do? You know, and at this point, I think my long term answer is   I want them to hop on the valley for valley chain and support us with a boostagram or streaming through.   But I recognize that we're   potentially a few years away from that. Right? Might be you know, many, many years. I don't think it's you know 20 years but I think it's going to be something that comes along eventually. So take a while and then I go okay well if that's what I look at it from a long term view it will never   deviate away from that. It'll always be there folks you can still support us by that model.  

How can people support us or how can we give value in a medium term? What does the mere mortal lot out there actually want from us? Hard sometimes because we don't hear that often from   individuals apart from maybe in person more than anything. It's like, Oh, yeah, it'd be cool if you did this, like you just got that feedback, right? It'd be cool to do this.   And yeah, like one does a lot of experimenting.   But 2, you know, do we as you've kind of doing when you're in Brazil? Do you go back to audio only and more, right? More more just being live a little bit more raw doesn't have to be as well edited.   Do you go down the path of well,   right now,   the thing is getting eyeballs or impressions.  

One of the really common ways is to make really good quality content. So, you know, where do you kind of find the bottom line around that? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Yeah. And it depends what you mean by good quality because there's  

[00:45:14] Kyrin Down:

there are people who are still creating   videos of just them   and it could be a kind of gimmick.   One of   the things I found in Brazil,   Lucas's cousin showed me this was this guy   never heard of him before. And basically he never speaks on his channel. And what he does is he plays piano.   And so what he what he does is like he'll just play a song, he's got a couple of different cameras set up. So   typically, one is kind of like we're at now. So he's playing the piano,   goes back to his computer. So you see half the time you see him not just like leaving the screen and then there's like a 2 or 3 second break until he   presses the button and the next camera shows on to him. Right. And then he'll he'll just make coughing noises. Or if someone sends in like a,   what's it called on Super Super Chat,   on YouTube, I think it's called that, something like that. I think so.  

Where they're sending him various different amounts of money and they're just requesting that he play a song and he'll, he'll see something and it'll be like a 25 minute sonata from   Beethoven and Mozart or something. And they sent him the equivalent of like   3 highs, like in, you know, 1 Australian dollar or something. Can you just be like   and he's got one of the most popular Brazilian channels. Damn. Okay. And it's it's just look.   Nice quality video.   He plays really, really well,   but it's it's not like what you would typically expect from  

[00:46:47] Juan Granados:

to be a really popular channel. But it but he's found a really engaging way of engaging with the audience. I'll pause you there because this is something we talked about as well just before off the podcast, which is   he's good. He's good at piano. Right?   One of the other lenses I've started to think is,   look,   quality of the podcast video wise,   Look the ones we're doing right now with live, they're pretty good quality and we we're starting to get it. It's live, you know, in most places both video and audio, which   shit. How many podcast people out there can say they could they're doing that? Not many.  

The quality is, you know, fairly well. The quality on the book reviews is really like I'm I'm putting a lots of high edit value into them.   You'd say that it's an it's kind of like enough, I guess, you'd put together with it. And we go, okay. If we can't influence that aspect of it, where's the other levers that we can pull? And that of well, hey, he's a good piano player, right?   Is there a domain where well,   yes, we're mere mortals and you have to talk about things, but maybe we do need to get   really good at something and a singular thing   where   it's it's almost like that's the gravitational pull for people to come in and see the rest of something. One of the things on this program is kind of looked right was, okay.  

You know, don't focus on multiple things. Right? Obviously, niche down, but niche down in the relative sense of   become really, really good at one   acute thing. Really good that it's almost cemented in people.   That is what I'm here to do. Like, I am not here to   help out this person lose weight. No. Yeah. The example that we're giving like, hey, rather than saying that be like, hey,   I can help   mothers who are 30 or 40 years old or 25 to 40 years old lose weight and get back to pre you know, that's more more acute, more specific. You're gonna get more people searching for that. Actually, as part of that, there's also someone who's supporting   things specifically   people to get,   payments from the government who are,   retirees from the army and dude makes bank doing this particular business. Right? So it's like weird niche things. But for us, I go,   we're broad. We talk about a lot of things. Yes. We talk about fitness and heck, we could talk about a lot of other stuff that are interesting to us. I haven't even talked about the car racing shit yet. We'll get on to that shortly. Right. So then I go,   well, what do we wanna what do we wanna   at least call out to people   to gravitationally pull us towards us? I kind of go in the medium term. We have to do something like that. I I mentioned it in that discord if you wanna jump in that discord, the other detail that I put in there. But I was like, you know, I wanna get specific and put a lot of value and effort into a   goal thing. Right? Like, so what I'm thinking is I could record   6   1 hour high quality   well written well structured things about goal setting and how we do it and our examples and what's worked well and what didn't, what you should do and all that sort of stuff   and go cool and paywall it, right? And go okay That we've we've tried to create a lot of value here. We'd love it if you could join it through like sort of a membership structure and whatnot.  

Use it.   Hopefully, it's   helpful. Get some value back for us. Right? It could be that because we're good at goal setting. We've fucking done it for such a long time, you know, collaboratively,   collectively, 20 years, topic level. Right? We've done it for a long time. But then I go, or do we focus on fitness? Or do we focus, as you're saying, your handsets? Or do you focus on   something else? Right? It's like,   where my answer is, I don't know. I don't know what that looks like. If I want to do that, do I do it? I don't know. So that's a still it's still playing in my mind. Yeah. Yeah. My brother when I was  

[00:50:21] Kyrin Down:

telling him about my kind of quandary of like, I've got the opportunity to become really, really good at handstands. Like   I'm decent enough now. You know, working on my one arm that's   if you get to that level, you put in a lot of hours.   But there's a lot of people who can do one arm handstands.   There's no doubt about that.   And   it would it would still take probably like 5 to 10 years to really get   really, really good.   And he was just saying, you know, sometimes that's worth it. And then he just listed off some of the biggest streamers and he was like, Oh, yeah, that guy was one of the best Overwatch players.   You know, that one was, you know, just amazing. It's these sorts of games or this sort of thing. He was really   related to like video games, but   they're they're broad now, but they were super specific.  



[00:51:11] Juan Granados:

Well, the other one that I was thinking about, right, and I haven't pulled the trigger on this because obviously Tefit   and it's I was thinking through in various domains.   Could I   just single hand like, you know, single   focus, put effort towards   interviewing a handful or select people,   who just either a, haven't been   or be   have, but it's only been in this specific niche. Right? So I can think of a couple of domains where   think,   think racing. Right? So I don't know if you're aware but in a lot of racing depending on the league that you're talking about. They have a little bit of conversations about different things and seeing into their their life, but nothing has long content.   And specifically, it's all about whatever they're doing. Right? When it's racing, it's racing. And I go,   fuck, you know, could I spend a good like year, like, basically, I'm gonna spend a year kind of going up the ranks of okay, who can I talk to at the very lowest level to get me to the next level, to get me to the next point, so I can just somehow like try and figure out how to do have a conversation   ultimately with someone that would be really valuable and again going to   that would be a lot of effort to try to bring a lot of value for people to listen into?  

But is it is it better spent there or is it better spent   bettering myself somewhere else so they can get the gravity to be able to pull those people? I don't know. It's, yeah, it's it's from what Pee said,   it can all be done. You can, you can do every, you can do anything, but you can't do everything. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Just before we jump on to your racing  

[00:52:46] Kyrin Down:

stuff,   Erica. Erica Pellegrino. She's been on the podcast twice.   I remember her because she she was like starting off right around the same time we were.   And she's got to talk about mental health. The balance theory podcast is as yeah.   On a little bio here constantly feel torn between work and life and the self growth and self development post podcast hosted by Ella Erika de Pellegrino is for you. And then, you know, more stuff related to that.   Whatever has happened, she's found like   a niche or she's I don't know if she's been working at her stuff for a long time as well. And yeah, she's starting to pop up, pop off like got 25,000   subscribers on YouTube. I remember her looking at her videos and being like, man, she's got a lot   like she's she needs to do a lot more here. Like, the videos got a lot to,   you know, they were just kind of like amateurish, like, like ours were. And   yet now,   a couple of the recent ones got, you know, 240,000   views. She's always been in a, in that kind of niche thing of,   well, not niche thing. Interviewing, you know, interviewing is how you get to be the biggest   shows and how   you grab other people's audiences.  

So if I had to guess, I would say it's it's harder to   create something between like just 2 people   versus,   you know, having an interviewer and getting multiple people on the show. Yeah.   But yeah, it's kind of cool seeing her.   Yeah. We've started very similar to her. I don't know, you know, but it's just going to show like, I know what   there's there's things we can be doing, perhaps should be doing   that that   would get us to like a bigger level than we are. And   that would be nice.  

[00:54:37] Juan Granados:

I'd like that as well. I think that would be cool. Yeah. Look, the bottom line on that is I think there will be things that we are going to do. I don't know what they look like yet.  

[00:54:46] Kyrin Down:

But I think it's still the same thing just experimenting.   And   probably like our biggest weaknesses   or at least mine is any time I've had   what you would call success,   I've I've kind of shied away from it. And there's been reasons for that,   you   know, getting some really successful reels,   but you get a lot of shit comments on them, depending on what the type of reel was, you know, the real the one that I had was,   you   know, politics slash calling out Elon   Elon Musk from a guest. And   it's like, I don't want to deal with this man. I don't that's not interesting to me. I don't want it. It's not what you want the energy to be. If this is what success is, I don't want this thing taken away. The same thing for,   you know, the Rosania's in Spanglish   that that got pretty popular,   because it got on to Apple because it was a niche. You know, Apple was promoting it because it was like a niche podcast   of   a, you know, an Australian doing reviews of English written books that he'd read in English. So it was in the original.  

And yet I just went,   but it's it's reached this limit of what I'm getting from this personally.  

[00:55:58] Juan Granados:

In the end, we're not we are definitely.  

[00:56:00] Kyrin Down:

Maybe one day we'll find a thing which is like, well, well, is popular, is successful,  

[00:56:05] Juan Granados:

and we also really enjoy doing it so we can double down. The thing. 1, we're not we're not we're not we're not clout chasers. Right? We're not we're not We're definitely, I don't think ever gonna get to the point of, hey. We're gonna be creating content for the sake of content to get the eyeballs on it.   Both of us just don't feel like that's the thing. I'll even tell you right now. One of the things I wanted to do off the back of the last book review of Be Youthful by Arnold Schwarzenegger,   I went down the path of creating way more content like lots of clips, lots of quotes, posting them out there, doing stories, replying, see the links, see what works, again, experimenting.   One of the things I wanted to create was how maybe I'll do a quick little video, more of one of those, like, real   TikTok videos around, hey, this is how I took 2 pieces of content and turned it into 50 pieces of content and what I did.  

And I had it, I had myself like set up. I was like put the camera. I'm gonna put my phone on the stand. I could actually do it. And just as about to begin it. I, in fact, I I started recording. I started talking. And I went,   I don't wanna do this. Yeah. I went, I don't wanna do this. I I went I just started thinking like I've done a bit of that for the value I've gotta be like, I'm gonna be like, oh, and then I've gotta edit this and I went,   no. There's no joy in that. I mean, there's no joy.   Do I when I see them that come up, do I find them joyful? No. Not really. Is it really informative? Not a whole load. And I went,   no. That like, that that's there an example of, oh, I've seen this in the past. Maybe I should do something like that. And gone,   no. And even even if that particular reel that I've if I had created it and I shared it and it got a 1000000 views and I might have been like, retrospective like, oh, I'm so glad I did it. I still hold true to right now being like, I don't regret not doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine.  

Okay. We're gonna talk about this. Yeah. Race. Let's get into it. When I came into   this property that I'm we're living in now, one of the things I put down on my list, I had lists on one of my tabs and it was like, things are must get, should get would get could get type of deal and some of it was gym stuff. Some of it was other things around the house. But one of them was   I want to get a racing simulator. Okay, I'll get a racing simulator.   I want to get myself set up. So this is obviously  

[00:58:11] Kyrin Down:

7 months ago or something like that.  

[00:58:13] Juan Granados:

That people because I can imagine various types of this, you know, big seats with the full wheel. I can imagine this just being a small screen or something. I can I can do pretty Could be VR? I can relatively talk in-depth in the hex. I've been researching this, but it's like you can get the absolute, like, simplicity of well, you don't even need this. You could just use a controller. You could be playing on a PlayStation   or a console or a PC and you can just play with a controller and you do racing through that. I was like, okay, I want some sort of racing wheel. Like that'd be fun. Cool racing wheels and you can have the ones where you   set it on a table,   have some pedals below you, maybe have a manual gear stick, maybe have paddles   that you can connect it through a USB to a PC or through to a PlayStation or or console.  

That's where I started leading towards being like, okay. I kind of want that. But then then research started taking over. Right? And I started researching and go, oh, well, you know, those sort of steering wheels, I don't have very good feedback because they're not they're called,   like roller. They they they give you feedback by chain chain movement. So it's only kind of like linear. Whereas if you have   DD which is like direct drive, they actually have much higher,   Newton mutant talks in terms of the feedback when you crash and when you're feeling things. Okay. Feel the wheel. And then I went, well, then if you wanna position it, do you just sit at a table? And do you have the full rig? And the full rig here is   metal frame with a chair, like a raising chair. Some of them have harnesses for some stupid reason. Oh, I see. Like, with with like with with a screen and all these sort of things. Yeah. This thing is  

[00:59:46] Kyrin Down:

ridiculous. It's funny.   It's like a simulator. It's like a home,   a self a self hack simulator where it'll be a guy playing like a shooting game. Right. And he'll   he'll click his mouse and they'll have like a   some sort of, like, spring loaded hammer or something at the bottom. So it's like if he gets shot, oh, yeah. It's like whole hand jumps up and it's like, you know, if he's   like, a big mallet behind his head or or just explosive things under his chair. So if he Unnecessarily,   like, ridiculous.   Yeah. But it's, like, real self   self DIY   hack,   like, crap. You know, this shit'll Well, and this is the thing. Smash it. I could just imagine you creating, like, a DIY one where it's you need a harness and, like, if you crash, you go flying out flying through the air. And I say, like, what? I'm like, I'm definitely not gonna be building  

[01:00:36] Juan Granados:

But the cost starts racking up when you start looking into it. Like they're expensive when you're working on tens of grands. The really good ones, like if talking the ones that actually start moving around. You're talking 15 grand plus or   the   rig for the metal.   Then the wheel the wheel can be 600 all the way up to the more expensive one pedals same. And then you've got your actual like screens that you use. So you could be putting down 20, 25 grand Australian dollars on something really expensive. I don't wanna spend So, you know, I'm like, okay. Well, what can I do from a budgeting perspective?   And so there's that and I was like, go, where am I gonna find the time to do that to? Where am I gonna find the time to do that? And I think I go, well, in my mind, I'm rationalizing it in, like, oh, no. But if I did, I reckon I could, you know, one night out of the week it'd be fun just to have a bit of like an hour race or something that'd be cool, which is where the original idea is coming from.  

Kind of relating it to, you know, I get this real enjoyment when I train at the gym, in that my mind kind of goes blank from a lot of the things I'm thinking about. And I go similarly,   many years ago, I had goals on, hey, I want to do, like, introduce some fun. And some of them was like, I'm gonna watch Netflix documentaries. And that feels good. And I was partnering it up with well I'm learning.   You know? It's something to think about like well you know will that be   that be a way for me to do something that would be fun and would stop me thinking about other things which kind of makes me go into this flow meditative state type of deal. Yeah. I'm I'm trying to rationalize. Oh, yeah. He's gone hard for you.   Bottom line is, so I found   a place here in Brisbane that does they've got like supreme   rig setup   that you can just go and do like 12 minute sessions and I was thinking about okay, I'm gonna invite, like, maybe yourself, Steven, few other people, like, you know, talking about names here that we've had in the past on the podcast. Mhmm.  

Just for like, let's just go, let's just have a bit of a like catch up, get together. But at the same time,   maybe either a, get it out of my system,   or be be cemented in the double down like, that's it. We're doing this. That sounds like a you know, Tim Ferriss style  

[01:02:47] Kyrin Down:

is like easy, like   unlimited, you know, good possibilities   could arise from that and limited downsides   of,   you know, you try something out and you don't need to invest all in. You can just try it out and get a taste of it. And,   I went to a breakdancing class the other night. Okay. Tried it out for the first time. This fucking fun as shit, man. I'm going to keep doing that. I'm going to do some breakdancing while I'm still here in Brisbane.   And   it's one of those ones where it's like the carryover from handstands and,   salsa has been really nice. Really? Both of those really helped. And so it was my very first class, but I was, I was, you know, dancing along. I was doing pretty good. And   it was one of those ones where I was like, yeah, this is just like limited downside. I'm just going to try out this this dance class.  

It was just serendipity because   a friend of mine was also doing it.   She messaged it in the group chat that we have. And I, you know, I was arriving in Brisbane on that day   and had nothing to do that evening. So I was like, oh, yeah, fuck it. Why not? I'll go to this. Do some breakfast.   Okay. And yeah, it was just, just really, really fun. So I feel like, yeah,   you know, I didn't need to buy new shoes. I didn't need to buy breakdancing. Yeah, I didn't need to do,   you know, research the history of breakdancing to to feel comfortable or anything. It's like, no, I'm just I can just go to this class. There was 3 people in the class   and one of them was my friend. So and one of them was me. So that was just like, yeah, they're very personalized. They just started off. So yeah,   I'm into those things, man. I'm,   I think I don't know if I said on the podcast, but   because I'm only in Brisbane for, you know,   probably about 6 weeks, maybe   I've got an opportunity and, you know, I'm just staying with my brother. I don't have a routine set up or anything. I've got an opportunity to treat Brisbane like it's a new city.  

And so   I want to be going out and trying things like, oh, what's something that I would do in Londrina   that I'd go and do and try out something cool. You know, where somewhere I've never been before was something I've never done before. And yeah. That's cool. No. No. No. Honestly, get this getting back to the original point around,  

[01:05:05] Juan Granados:

you know, life and trying out things. It's   more and   more I I think I'll probably sum it up around the across the   experimenting   mindset.   Not like I stumbled across it definitely from Tim Ferriss and a few others   back in 2015 2016,   But I didn't necessarily apply it until more recently. I'd probably say even after COVID, like maybe COVID did help   in trying out different things because a lot of the stuff that I was doing,   training   and work and a few other things were very similar. They were very I had to really look at it kind of stale. I've done it for a while.   And since then, I've tried out   very different things and moving more towards a more experimentative   sort of style where at the moment with my training, I'm shifting up my training every 8 to 12 weeks and not just, oh, I'm focusing on legs and I'll fix and back. It's like it's running and then calisthenics and then more power lifting and then more specific cross fit. You know, there's a lot of variation to it, which is fun. It's different. It's good to do that. I go, okay, it's probably other at the moment from a work business perspective.  

Honestly,   last maybe 2 years, things started like really change and shift perspective on all I could do this or I could do it that way.   I think there's a lot of other places in my life that I go. I think in the past I've treated it with the or nothing. Okay. I've I've got to buy the steering wheel. I've got to get the whole package. I've got to do it like that's either that or not doing it all.   Where I like that   description of yeah where where the opportunity you can take where it's kind of unlimited, you know, upside and very limited downside to at least try something to go. Alright. Cool. That that'll work. That won't work.   At least I get a guidance on it. So anyways, yeah. That's solidified it for me that I've got to go do that. Do that now to at least, you know, invest a little bit of money before I invest  

[01:06:54] Kyrin Down:

a bucket load of money and a bucket load of time for maybe no good reason. Yeah. Another example of that is I was just thinking, you know, the teacher who was teaching the breakdancing class, he was really good and I imagine he goes to breakdance battles and stuff here.   That's something I've always wanted to go to, but I would, I'd always be like, well, you   if he goes to any of these things. And if he does,   does   he can I tag along some time? And,   you you know, that's all it takes. Take 2 hours of effort, and I could be going and doing something which I   I would have imagined would have required some ridiculous A 100 hours to get good at breakdancing, to be able to join the community, to not feel like an imposter and all those sorts of things. Yeah. And again, you never know. You know, you go to you might go to one of those things. And, you know, those people are really good at,  

[01:07:53] Juan Granados:

moving around their body and stuff. If some of the like the real pro ones I've seen in a couple of videos, like holy shit, how are they doing there? Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. And it's like, oh, maybe, you know, your serendipity there, you pick up from them. It's like, oh, shit. They do this thing actually that could really be beneficial to the handset, general hands and world. And, oh, crap. Bring it out. Christensen, who I had on was he started off as a b boy. That was that was how he got good on his hands initially  

[01:08:17] Kyrin Down:

and strength wise.   And then just transition that into being like, oh, I can just do this whilst not moving and just staying there.   Yeah. So yeah, there's there's there's tons of crossover.  

[01:08:28] Juan Granados:

That's a good point. Yeah. Anything else, man? No, I think I think that'll wrap us up. I'll tap it up. So we're gonna leave it there. Me and mortal ads. So once again, look, value for value model. We do really really really really really really do recommend to do that. You support us via that method, which is you can provide time, talent, or treasure. Right? Time, obviously, you're listening to us. You're sharing the other time with a few other people. Speak about it to another person. Absolutely. You know, we talk about a lot of things today.   A lot of deep topics, a little bit more lighthearted topics. If you've got feedback for us, that's where you can go talent talent, you can sort of mention to us, hey, Juan, look at this steering wheel, don't go down the path, maybe go down the path. If there's other things that we've been talking about in the podcast in relation to, you know, what things we could be better exploring and talking about fitness or other things. Again, call it out. Messages. And if you want to help out with any of these things, we're more than happy to. Exactly.  



[01:09:20] Kyrin Down:

Collaborate, share.   You know, if if there's something you're really good at that we're shit at, please let us know. And if you want to contribute. Absolutely. Absolutely. We definitely would appreciate it. Yeah. And then try to which is you're sending through a boost to grams. So that is satoshi's with a message attached  

[01:09:37] Juan Granados:

or streaming through kind of minimum bit of what you can support and all good podcasting apps. Yeah. So things like fountain, like Truefence,  

[01:09:44] Kyrin Down:

like, podcast guru, like Podverse. Customatic.   Yep. These are these are all good good places.   I've got links on our website, meremodelspodcast.com/support.   Correct. And all in all descriptions as well. Mhmm. There's ways that you can actually go support. You were talking before about the kind of explain a bit. So I've got an explain a bit on there, but, you know,   I don't like doing that   for   I did that because it worked in with a value for value episode and I could make an episode out of it. But   creating that as an individual thing that I'm just working on is not is not fun man. What I got really I don't get joy from doing what I've really determined honestly, man, I've gone  

[01:10:27] Juan Granados:

what I can I think me and you but at least for me, I'm like, I know I can do really well? I can do that consistently. It's when I'm talking to a topic. It's a little bit more free flowing like this or a book review. I enjoy doing that. When it's like that sort of tag I remember I was doing the suit video. Right? I kind of go, you know, when that are those sort of things,   I would rather if we could get someone to do the film   filling the filming and the editing of it. Yeah. Yeah. If they just tell me, hey, you just need to do this. I'm good at that.   But not the You're doing it. I'm not the creative mind that comes around that sort of thing. I wouldn't be a good movie producer. Nowhere be so bad at it. Just not orientated that way. When you have to  

[01:11:08] Kyrin Down:

think of the title   and thumbnail before the actual thing. So I do it just because I, you know, I'm just thinking I'm like, well, there's this one thing I want to talk about today that's going to be the title or I might even change it afterwards. Who knows?   But if you're, if you're, if that's your starting point, which is how YouTube works, that's if you want to get good at YouTube, you need to create the title   thumbnail   and then make the content and the first 30 seconds.   That's and then   everything flows from that.  

[01:11:43] Juan Granados:

I don't think either of us wants to do that. That's that's not that's not interesting. Or that that I'm I'm gonna leave to talent. You know, at some point in the future, might do that, but that's gonna be talent. It's not gonna be me. Yep. Thank you very much for those who've been tuning live right now either on the audio or the video. So there's quite a few people in the video there. So thank you very much. Couple of love hearts were coming through. So it's one of those,   commentary as well.  

[01:12:03] Kyrin Down:

I see Patricia. I see Ombreya.   Hernandez Flores there.   I think that was you.  

[01:12:10] Juan Granados:

Mirror models book reviews also. Oh, yeah. Also in there putting us in another thing. Good day. But, yeah, gonna leave it there. So, of course, as we just a recap, is gonna be here in Australia for a little bit, then returning back. 6 weeks. Yep. Then returning back overseas. So, again, we'll keep you updated in terms of timings and the like, but we're gonna go back to a Wednesday schedule moving forward as well just because it works out, really well from an everything perspective. But   but   next week,   I'm not gonna be here. I'm gonna be in Japan. Yeah. So What what day, you flying out Thursday? Fly out oh, no. Sorry. I fly out Thursday. We will do all Wednesday. Yeah. So we will do the podcast on Wednesday. Nice. Cool. So we'll tune in then. That's cool. Thank you very much, folks, for tuning in. We'll leave it there. Me and mortal lights. Hope you're aware wherever you are in the world.  

Juan out. Karen out. Bye.   Good. Good.