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In Episode #495 of 'Musings', Juan & I discuss: the power of language in goal-setting, how small word choices can meaningfully shift direction over time, changing nouns to verbs (e.g., “find” to “bond,” “create” to “forge,” “build” to “care”), softening health goals as we get older and injured more frequently, verbalising intentions & how speaking thoughts aloud can catalyse action, reviewing long-term goals sparingly and focussing on habits that embody who you’re becoming, not just what you want to have.

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Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro and Butters’ birthday
(00:01:46) Kyrin’s long-term goals history
(00:04:25) Evolving the ‘partner’ goal: from finding to bonding
(00:08:40) Biggest overhaul: spirituality reframed after loss
(00:11:19) Health goal shift: from building strength to caring wisely
(00:15:10) Juan’s framework: eminent human levels and resistance to change
(00:18:36) Generators vs trophies: rewriting annual goals into behaviours
(00:22:15) Leading with verbs: forge, care, settle—language that directs action
(00:24:55) Travel and learning: from ‘experience’ to ‘settle’ and broader skills
(00:27:06) Meta-goals over domain goals: keeping curiosity flexible
(00:33:08) When to edit long-term goals: cadence and life seasons
(00:35:47) New categories Juan is toying with: brave, strong, fierce, obsessed
(00:38:17) Boostagram lounge: community messages and quick replies
(00:41:36) Verbalising to act: Comic-Con, Sexpo and taking initiative
(00:46:47) Writing vs saying vs doing: aligning thoughts, words and actions
(00:52:24) Advice for different life phases and evolving goal language
(00:54:56) Wrap-up and support links

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[00:00:08] Kyrin Down:

Welcome, Mere Mortalites, to another episode of the mere mortals musings number four nine five here on the October 5. 10/05/2025.   Shout out to Butters the dog.  

[00:00:22] Juan Granados:

Butters. Happy birthday Butters. Yep. He's turned  

[00:00:25] Kyrin Down:

two.   Musings episodes are where we dive into a particular topic.   We give practical philosophy,   some thoughts,   advice,   goals.   And today was an episode   we kind of were going to do a couple of weeks ago or something related to this, which was talk about my Comic Con events. Correct. How that that ended up happening,   but   transpired that we could actually turn this into something we've both been working on, which is some manifesting,   manifesting slight tweaks to our, our long term goals, at least for myself,   for one as well, and   why we did that and probably just like the power of of words   and why you want to choose particular words for particular things   and how I guess just how that changes the sense or overall of your direction. Feel if you if you're   got a thought in your head of like, I want to be like this or this is what I want to achieve   or strive for.  

Yeah, sure. You can over analyze things and be like   nitpicking every word. But   I think it's worthwhile,   especially if it's something that you're repeating to yourself very often.   That can really transform into   actual actions as well. So  

[00:01:41] Juan Granados:

Do you want me to just go over why a couple of little tweaks I've made to my long term goals? Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with the example. Give, give some examples of sort of like what the tweaks are. Cause I, so,   I haven't done the tweaks yet. Yeah. Cause I'm in the new set of annual goals, which has still been   done in the same old way that I've done for quite a few years. My and again, for a reminder for people, I go from like an eminent human being levels, which then go down to annual goals, then go down to monthly goals.   That's   my cycle, I guess, of how I do it and kind of a very similar thing, but just with like very like top like this eight eight sections of your life in terms of like his his aims and whatnot. So I've got this book here. This is my book that I  

[00:02:23] Kyrin Down:

have kept for a long time.   So   I'm trying to think what's what's in the very start of it. I'm actually not sure. So initially was a Spanish book. So this I would have used,   I think first in '21,   maybe when I was still at university. So maybe in 2013   was probably the first time I ever used this book.   And then it's just kind of like over the years of graduating into other,   random stuff,   and I've got separate Spanish books. But   I remember using this once and this was in 2016 where I started my my long term goals draft. And so it was like there's some random stuff.   What I want to achieve a framework, a framework of short to long term goals that are ambitious but also realistic.  

I need to reflect the values that I believe and speak to the innermost desires that I harbor. These goals must be what I kind of truly think is best for myself   and are true to the innate nature of my being moral character I aspire towards.   And so then I've got like a sheet of paper that I can read   systematic breakdown of different areas of my life that I want to improve on   introspection of my character, identify weaknesses, things like this. So this was my my first draft and one,   what do you reckon of this? I'll show it to the camera in a second, but,   it's got it's got Kyron, he's got abs and some some,   guns there as well.  

Big penis   going on.   What do you reckon that drawing of myself as well? That was actually not bad. That's not bad. Self reflective,   drawing here as well.   It's that one just there.   So yeah, random stuff in here. But this was where I was first trying out a bunch of things like   just just random like notes, partner relationships, financial health, this is where it first started coming up.   And some of them like, I would   add some I would quit out and then I had   long term goal draft then it was like long term goal draft two point zero and then I settled on long term goal draft three point zero. Three point zero was the one. So   the partner one for example was   find a lifelong partner that will be the worthy mother of my children and a feminine counterbalance   to my masculinity.  

Now, this was written when I was definitely much more in like the game world. There was a lot more emphasis on masculinity,   masculine,   things like that. And I've now tweaked that. And my drop the four point zero now. Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, wo   2025 remix. And then you can see here like I've   started with something and then I'm like, that didn't sound right. Exactly. I want to change that word or these things didn't make sense. And so almost all of them apart from the financial one, I ended up   tweaking   after writing something again.  

So now five point zero we're on 5.0255   remix watch out.   Not not p ditty but where's the other grapples?   The reignition premix R Kelly R Kelly watch out. I'm coming for you in jail.   And this is   bond   with a lifelong companion   that complements my traits and can see us through   thick and thin.   It's changed it in certain ways, the most important word being instead of find, wand.   Because   finding   essentially, and this was something I always kind of thought about, which is okay, well, if I find her, then it's already done. Like the goal is done. There's, there's nothing left to do. Like I found her. Yep. But, you know, that's not really reflective of real life in the sense that, yeah, sure, you   need to meet a partner. But   then comes all of the other stuff,   which is,   you know, where you'll spend all the time with   her bonding over things, creating memories, creating family.  

So I really want to just to emphasize that, okay,   finding is a very important part to it. But   that's   kind of just like, you   know,   start that would be like an Olympic sprinter going like, you know, I want to   achieve like the first,   the quickest off the blocks or something like that, which is like, Yeah, sure, that's really important. But then you've got a whole, a whole 100 meters to run   other parts for it. And if you want to win or do really well at it, you can't just focus on this initial bit. It needs to be the drive phase, the, you know, getting into your stride, the pumping of the arms or whatever, all the other things that they have to focus on. So that was just one where I'm like, okay,   it's a subtle   word, finding   and bonding. And then the other stuff was just   getting rid of things, which didn't really matter to me anymore.  

I don't care about masculine traits or things that's complementing my traits. A lot of my traits   aren't masculine, they're feminine.   And, you know, I mentioned this in the discord where it was like,   almost all of my hobbies   are more feminine in nature.   Like, I enjoy cooking.   The   amount of time like I spend exercising, sure. But as I'm not like lifting heavy weights or anything, it's like more artistic, perhaps   reading and   I enjoy doing ballet and liking Pilates. So   a lot of those sorts of things are   not masculine. So why am I riding like, Yeah, I get some. Yeah.   And in my head, I already knew   it didn't matter that much, but   it was worth changing a lot of these things. So   I can go over the others if you feel like but,   yeah, that was one of those ones where it was just like,   it's worth changing that one word,   let alone all the other things just to reflect, okay.  

It puts me less in a mind state of kind of like searching, finding   that being the main emphasis where it's like now it's like, okay, yes, I need to do that. But it's also,  

[00:08:27] Juan Granados:

the bonding aspect and that plays into it. So, yeah. What's another one that changed a lot? What like in comparison to you said the finance one that didn't change really much at all. What other one were you like? Oh, yeah. We had that bit. This is quite a bit. Probably the spirituality  

[00:08:42] Kyrin Down:

is   the biggest change out of all of them, I'd say. So it used to be create a spiritual framework to ponder the mysteries of the universe. Guide me through tough times ahead.   Now I've changed that to maintain joy and optimism in the face of adversity, suffering and cruelty. Okay,   that one's less like I feel I've done a lot of this searching for   different types of philosophies, religions and things like that.   I've now I would say experienced   an event which has made,   you know, mom's passing and the way she passed was   brutal. And that has given me more of an appreciation of like, okay,   I can see how   that could have gone worse for myself.  

It didn't.   But   I've got a dad I care about, got friends and family, other family members.   Those things are probably going to happen again. Hopefully not too soon. But you know, who knows?   The emphasis should now be on   kind of maintaining   a joy and optimism   and in the face of acknowledging like, okay, these these bad things can happen and will happen at some point and less about like pondering the mystery of the pontificating   the mysteries of the universe. Like,   sure, there's a lot of mysteries, but like,   you know, that that when I read that, it makes me think like, oh, pondering the mysteries of the universe. So I should probably be like,  

[00:10:15] Juan Granados:

what's out in the stars and that sort of thing. So yeah, that's probably the biggest one. One of the things like when you're reflecting back on that, so I'm just thinking like   generally, generally here in that   the way that you've got them written down   right now, they have served you   better than the original   three point zero draft that you wrote, you know, 2016. You know, if you'd written   five point o remakes   back in 2016,   would it have been better,   worse, neutral? Because I was gonna say, you know, in my mind, and this is the whole crux of   when you do goal setting or you review how someone has done certain things,   it's like you can't   do   the actions or the behaviors   or whatever of the person where they are today.  

You have to be looking back at what they were aiming for or doing   way back at the at the point either they were like as much similar to you or how they went from, you know, zero to one or from 10 to 12, not from 98 to 100. Right. Like, it's very, very different. I can think of one which wouldn't. So the health one, for example. So it used to be build strength and maintain a balance of good to bad inputs into my system. So that's  

[00:11:31] Kyrin Down:

the building strength was right at the start. And you know, this was when   I had been going to the gym for a couple of years, but I was still pretty skinny. I   had gotten over, like, the worst body dysmorphia stuff from when I was a teenager of feeling   weak,   but there was still this emphasis on like, Yeah, I need to get stronger.   That was the big one. Now it's care for yourself like you would care for someone dependent on you. And   if I had that initially,   that would have been   like, what does that even mean? That's too soft. It sounds like you're in a fucking retirement home or something like that. Yeah.   What does that mean? You should be getting after it. You should be watching,   what's going in into your system, out of your system.  

Now I've changed to this because it's   I think it's   it gets me into the mind state of,   okay, you know, say I had my mom, for example, when she was very dependent on me and my family.   You know, what's the best way to care for her in that state? It's not to like,   be trying to like hustle, get her to   fucking like work hard and   have like the best eating habits and things like that.   But   and so it's like, I'm not going to try and force her to eat things that she didn't want to eat. But also, okay, no, I was taking her out for walks, I was regularly taking her to a gym sessions with a personal trainer,   trying to get more vegetables and stuff into a diet, but also like, you know, allowing her to   be her own person and as much as she could be and eat what she wants to eat. So sure. But now it's it's kind of like this is a bit of an acknowledgment like, okay, you know,   I'm getting older. There are certain things, injuries, stuff which are popping up more,   building strength. You know, if I still had building strength in there, I would probably still be trying to do the   squat and deadlift points, which I had initially written. It's like I can't like remember failure. You got rid of them, Kyren. You're weak. You're weak. You're not strong. Whereas now it's like, okay, yeah, that's that's a change where   yeah, if I'd looked back at it in the past, and I had this goal now,  

[00:13:50] Juan Granados:

I probably would have just been like, I don't understand. Yeah, you would have changed and been like, Nah, this is too soft. I need to like, make it more appropriate for where you are. Yeah. And I think that's so you know, those changes and I can talk about what I'd say. I haven't done any direct changes into my ones, but I can see that I'm about to change it slightly in a different way, but it all   So generally, if someone's listening to us talking about this, you might be thinking,   Oh, shit. As I listen to these two talk about, you know, going to more of a caring,   aspect or maybe it sounds a little bit softer. I think it's very much in, yeah, but it's at a position in time where now this is more appropriate and you wouldn't have gone to there if you hadn't done   the the the aims or the achievements or the goals that you had set originally. So I think when we're trying to like when we're talking about this, it's not that   they were bad, although they were wrong. It was just   at in 2016, Kyren, like that was the   optimal   description of what you wanted. And now as years have gone by and experience have happened, you've gone,   okay, I can see now where the tweaks are needed for the current current now to continue on either, you know, finding the partner,   looking after the body,   being aware of, you know, what masculinity and femininity means and the actions that I'm taking. So,  

[00:15:10] Kyrin Down:

I think  

[00:15:11] Juan Granados:

it for me when I was starting to   look at especially my eminent human being levels, which are very   known to not since time, but they're very   descriptive with numbers and positions   and awareness.   Some of them like the   fitness   body aspect of it is   to be known for   physical prowess of fitness. Now there's not like   a set number of people that know or percentage in the world that I like better at or anything like that. It's more a just like a general description. But   whether it's the mind, the body and the soul, they've got all these evolutions to it. And some have like direct numbers to, you know, earnings or net income or the ability to know oneself, right?   And I had a really   strong aversion to everyone to change them being like, no, I set these up when I was younger. So I don't think I'm ever gonna change these. And I've   two or three times I've reflected upon them and gone like, okay,   could I update them to something else? There's something different, like maybe aim for something else.  

And I don't know if this is a good or bad thing yet. But every time I reflect on it, I kind of review it and go, no, it still holds true. Like it's still what I would consider an imminent human being path. So I went, okay,   they're not changing for me anytime soon, it feels like and so but again, I do my annual goals and my monthly goals, especially so the annual goals then come off the back of, I want to try and achieve level two to level three,  

[00:16:43] Kyrin Down:

I create annual goals that helped me get to that level that I'm creating. And then monthly goals go alongside with that. Have you achieved any of that you would say like, you know, the whole point yet of the different levels was so that you've got these probably like intangible ones that are very hard to define right at the top.   But are there any that you feel you've made really big progress on and you're kind of almost there or  

[00:17:08] Juan Granados:

most of the way done? Yeah, I think I think since I began doing that type of I'm a human being,   I think the   mind went up by two levels, the body's gone up by a level and souls go up by a level. So out of five, I guess it's like a good enough percentage.   Achieving level five   should technically be like next to impossible in the scheme kind of like bell curve trying to reach like the very top end percentage. It should be so ridiculously crazy that it might not ever happen, but it's the aspiration to go for it and always having a goal. Yep. But the bid with   the language in this particular case, I'm thinking the and I talked about it recently with that generators versus trophies is that at the annual goal levels,   and even if I reflect on the ones that I just literally recently did, I still have some where it's   specific, like, I want to do 12 of these and I want to do six of these and I want to achieve   six times body weight, three rep, you know, that sort of behavior.  

And I go   again, it's not a bad thing. And so this is just coming to a position in my life where things are changing, similar how you got with your your version, where the the tweak I'm thinking is gonna have to change is   it served me really well when I was in my twenties and probably   right as I turned 30 because putting I wanted to do a half marathon. I wanted to achieve this income or I wanted to do all those things.   It was great because I think I needed that, like, very direct target to aim at and find the habits and the actions to do it.   Fantastic.  

But I'm just now in a position of life where, you know, for the next couple of years, I'm going to have young kids. And so   there's   certain   trade offs you would have to do if you were to just randomly put like, I want to achieve and insert   really high income. Okay, With that, we'll probably come time away from the family and it's something that I probably don't wanna do. Right. So there's gonna be those trade offs that I know myself I'm not gonna do. Fine. So what does that mean again effectively?   I think the annual goals, I might even shift them midway as I'm doing it, or maybe I'll wait till the following. I'm not entirely sure. Maybe I'll do it the monthly goals. Is that the language I use or the words, I think,   really now has to change from the   thing I'm wanting to achieve, aka,   the   I want to do 12   recordings of high signal, whatever, whatever, whatever, and changing it to   what is the action, the habit, the thing that generates that to occur. And it could be it's a like a very simple change.  

But I think in the same way that I read it, I think now   it would impact and help me address that better than what it is currently. So   right now when I'm seeing, you know, I want to do 12 high signals, I'll write, I want to do, you know, do this projection paradox or do this.   It's like it's good. And all like younger one might have been able to say like, do these deadlifts or do this program. But I think now it's probably needed. And again, I've got to think it through as how I write it, but it's more the behavior and the action. And it might be like,   you know, look a week ahead of every week and schedule in an hour that you can go and do that particular thing. Right. So it's like, that's the actual action that will help it do. So it's more towards what are those generators? What are the habits that I still have to set up or all of the actions   that   I   would normally write the goal and then kind of think of the behaviors that I have to do for it and kind of spinning it and going like,   Yep, having an idea or an awareness, I think it always helps to have a set goal in mind, but then leave it to the side and go, yep, but just absolutely hammering on the behaviors or the actions or things you've got to do. Forget about the ultimate outcome of that. Let that just ensue   by doing that. And it's, I think it's a very   small change. And when you come to like,   it's almost the opposite of manifesting in a way. Not, not fully the opposite, but it's like, you know, when people say like,   I wanna be,   I'm gonna manifest it this morning. I'm gonna have like a fantastic run or, you know, money's gonna come to me. I'm kind of almost going the opposite where it's like, just forget thinking about money coming or, you know, being successful at whatever. It's more just focus on, like, how the behavior is   a one minute stretch and five minutes looking at the horizon. And so that will ensue in maybe better eyesight and better mobility and better movement, all those things, but they'll come from the habits.  

So I'm playing around with what that might look like specifically. Mhmm. But I dare say it'll probably be it'll probably happen on the monthly goals first where you'll start   as an example, this monthly goal I got in October is, like, run 160 kilometers. Right? So it's a very, like, direct goal, which,   again, it's not a bad goal. And the language of it is fine. And younger one would have like thrived under that because it goes like, I've got to hit this almost like no matter what. Sure. But   changing it slightly and again, how I change that and I'm going to work with it. But into like, yeah, but the just what's the behavior? What's the action? What's the thing that's gonna keep it interesting? So that when I look at it, it's kind of like reading some of those sheets. It kind of goes, that's the sort of identity human behavior that you should do. Cool. I'm just going to go and do that and it'll ensue that more kilometres will be done or whatever else. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:22:16] Kyrin Down:

So   the the thing you brought up there was, you know, run or   money is coming to me.   Imagine for my goal, for partner, I'd written like   a woman or girl who is x y z or something. I think   putting the,   the noun as your   starting point, even just like reading the sentence,   it's very basic, but   you're starting with this,   object in mind already of like, this is where I've got to get to.   What I've changed mostly for all of these is the starting word and it's a verb, all of them. So,   it used to be,   find, create, establish, build, create, experience, become continuously.   Was it now it's like for the partner bond for relationships   forge.  

So for that one, forge a tight knit family friendship group that helped me be a better person   that has   changed from where I was talking about   a tight knit family tribe that I can lead and protect, who are loyal and trustworthy when called upon. This is one of those ones where it's like, Yeah, I just want people around me who are going to help me be better. Like, they don't need to have certain traits because, you know, someone who's loyal. Yeah. You could have like a loyal gang member and they'll fucking like true. Yeah. Maybe if I want loyalty and trustworthiness, that's where I should be going to, you know, if I can join a gang, you know, is that going to be helpful for me? Probably not.   Who knows? Maybe your gang member, if you're a gang banger out there, let me know. Hit me up in the comments.  

So I've changed that instead of create, it's like forge.   That for me is more of a,   it creating is more of a like a   what would you call it? Like an action where I'm   putting the words to this is hard forging for me just feels like if it's family and friends that requires more of a   a bit of a grit to it, like   forging something, You are creating something, but creating like can be very. Yeah. You're like twiddling away to make it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, let's create a friendship group by fucking   doing interpretive dance outside and like doing all the spontaneous stuff. Whereas I definitely want one that's more like, okay, now we've been through some things, you know,   I've, I've helped make this the group that I want it to be as well. So the other stuff,   you know, health has gone from build to to care. So that's a pretty easy one. Like obviously now,   like I mentioned, injuries are much more important thing.  

Looking after myself is more important than trying to build up something.   Travel used to be experience. Now it's settled.   I've done a lot of the experience. Like I've I've gone to different countries of the world.   Now it's settled in a location that's safe but continue to seek varied experience. So   I can still have that in there, but it's not the main focus. It's switched a little bit. So that's the one that probably   ticked off the most in terms of travel. Yeah. And also we were talking in the the monthly goals just before,   you know, I don't have language learning as a in any of them anymore.  

Will it come back someday? Maybe. But   that one I feel like I've   done as much as I really want to in that. And so   it's,   it's not serving me to do a,   I don't know, three month trip every year   to experience the world where it's like, well, yeah, but I want a family. I want to settle down. Yeah. Like that's tough to go. It's tough to go against like some of the other like important things that are coming up in life. Yeah.   The   I'll just go through these last ones because   there's almost done with them.   Become a strong willed, confident man with a set of principles that could guide my decision making. That's changed from so that's what it is now. It used to be become a strong willed masculine man once again masculine with a set of principles that define my being   kind of just a bit too iffy for me. Like, what does that mean? I do. I have in all this time, have I got a principle sheet   that defined my being? No, I've never done that. So   that's obviously like not really what I'm trying to do, I guess, or what I'm interested in.  

And the last one was the knowledge skills was   kind of self referential because I used to say continuously update, update the knowledge skills for practical everyday life and help me achieve these other things.   Nowadays it's just continuously improve my capabilities and practical everyday life. So   just just work on things   gives me a bit of more of a broader stretch to be like, yeah, you know what, AI, that's something important.   I that's going to help me in everyday life.   Or   Ray Ban meta glasses   experiencing those, where's technology going, things like that.   That's that's all  

[00:27:04] Juan Granados:

kind of wrapped up in those. So yeah, like even a dozen examples. So, you know,   let's just say in   my twenties,   one of the goals that I might have had in relation to mind or to learning might have been to   become a   express probably a strong word, but become knowledgeable   in   AI or   do this course or finish this thing. Right? Which again, it's a good good goal. It's specific enough. You're like, you make a specific love, measure it, and make it time bound,   be able to assess it. All those things that make it a smart goal. Fine. You can do that. And I think it served me well in my 20s. But it serves me   less so now,   either because a I'm just someone who I want to flex with the things that I'm learning. And I might like not complete things. So like this is more knowing myself in that I will be pretty quick and moving between things that have interest to me,   I start to shift on okay, rather than putting an annual goal, which for me a year is like, that's a big domain of time,   for it to always be consistent apart from a very few things in life,   where I might start changing it to, you   know,   talk like talk or learn or,   you know, spend certain amount of time every week on learnings or things that interest me. And so yes, that might be   AI or the Ray Ban stuff for a little while and then it might translate something else. But to me, the important thing now is the underlying action of continuing learning, right? Continuing that that that those processes   independent of the,   specific  

[00:28:40] Kyrin Down:

domain of knowledge that is I don't care. It's more the act of doing it. It's the meta goal in a sense where it's yeah, you could set one which was related to something you really cared about in the past,   for yourself. Maybe it was the   the driving, for example, like,   I want to get better at   the VR simulator driving or sim racing.   You know,   that lasted for not too long. Correct. Yeah, it's away in the corner. Don't know where it is. It used to be around here.   But maybe   so if you'd put that as a particular one, that wouldn't have served you that well because then you'd be like, oh, I feel kind of obligated to do this because I said I would do it in the past. Whereas maybe it was like, no, I just want to, you know, expand my mind to try it, try something new, try and try and get better at something which I'm not good at. Exactly. So it's like, it's like the,  

[00:29:29] Juan Granados:

the I wouldn't have been able to do this in my twenties well, because there was still a lot of and probably everyone goes through that just discovering, understanding who you are. You might become good at something. You might not become good at something. You're the type of friendship groups, the individuals, your work, whatever you do, right? All of these things   determines how to shift   now and everyone will go through them. At some point, you'll just get a shift in life. It's the next stage of life. And I'm a little bit more settled and there's more routine. And again, it's hard to change the   behaviors and things I do want to do, what I don't want to do what I've got time for. And I think it just what I   a lot   20 my 27, 28, 29 year old annual goals, they were, like, phenomenal. I saw progress in the sense of, like, I was achieving them, doing them well worded, all the actions are there. I'm achieving all the things. The The last couple of years, I think I've continued to try to do be similar to that. And while I have done it and it has continued to help me aim for things and made me do things,   I I've gone, maybe the last couple of years gone,   almost either like, oh, I want to change that or okay, that didn't work out as well. And I think it's that it's that I've got to probably work a little bit harder at the actual meta   reality of why I'm wanting to do things. So So as an example with that, you know, car simulation racing stuff,   I think if I   now if I really should have looked at that deeply and gone,   like, what's actually underlying that and it might have been all want to find more balance that it could have been more balanced between, you know, work to play ratio, it might be more balanced and just doing, you know, a variety you think it might have been, you know, do I just want to do something different that I haven't been doing before? Right. And if I described it in that language better,   then, you know, I might still have done the car simulation piece, let's just say, but I might have not or I might have been more fluid with, like, oh, I'll do that sometime, but then I'll do this. And I'm now I'm accomplishing   what I'm trying to do. And then the the emergent thing that would come out is that the goal   originally was after and again, it might have been just to do the sim writing, but I think it really was more around, you know, finding more fun that would have just come as ensuing because I'm having those behaviors put in place. So yeah, I'm saying all this in a   move. It's like moving into this new space where I've done goal setting for such a long time in a way that really benefited me and   going after goals.  

And now I'm entering this new stage of life where   they're serving me okay.   But I think I can do it in a better way with a bit of a shift in language because it's the first time I'm doing it too. It's like, Oh, how exactly do I do this? And I think I've had now a couple of goers of annual goals where   they have served, but they could be better. And so I think this is more like it was more an open conversation today on going   language is important.   Yeah, I get the whole concept of like   manifesting it into reality. I guess the   particular ploy I'm kind of saying is I just want to write it down in ways that it's very clear behaviors, very clear actions, very clear. Mhmm. What are the habits and the things that you got to do so that all the rest of the things will just fall in line because you're putting those things in place. Yeah. I think part of this is  

[00:32:42] Kyrin Down:

the long term goals.   You you I could hear someone arguing,   why don't you just go, okay, you've achieved your VR sim one, get rid of it and put another one in. It's like, okay, yeah,   sure. Anyone can do anything. There's no there's no right or wrong in this   unless you're doing it not our way, in which case you're wrong.   But the, the,   the main thing is like long term goals. I haven't touched this for   eight years. So I first created all this in 2016   and then   I did like a,   a section here where   in 2018,   2019,   I created a whole   list of things where it's like, actually, no, this, this was in 2016 as well. So yeah, eight years I haven't touched this. And then it's like, okay,   what,   I only want to touch it   in really like long time periods where it's where I can have a, you know,   deep think of it and go, okay, this isn't helping me now.  

And   I don't want to be touching it every fucking month. Questioning like, oh, is this right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what the short term stuff is. And that's more   already top of mind. Like, all right, I feel like I need to be doing this to get me closer to this longer one,   yearly one, which is linked to this one.   It's kind of almost like an attention game in a respect or it's also like respecting your own time of, okay, here's what I said I wanted to do. It's like a big stretch thing. It's not going to be achieved easily.   And I don't want to continuously be trying to like fuck with like the fundamentals. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And  

[00:34:24] Juan Granados:

yeah, like here, we're talking about some of the fundamentals as in like our core   concepts. And I agree,   I'm talking about it now. But realistically,   yeah, and I'll probably will shift and transition and change it a little bit.   But then I shouldn't be touching it until the next evolution of life, which might be, you know, my kids being   gonna move out of home. Something like that, right? So it's like So the family principles that you know, what do you call it? Family philosophy? Yeah, the family of which. So and so that's kind of like the last bit I wanted to like talk about was it's it is higher likely. So again, I do my mind, body and soul,   breakdown of like the three big categories and I've done my eminent human being from level one to level five.  

What I'm toying with the idea, again, shifting to those, those different ones that you're saying is,   do I   remove those eminent human being,   mind, body and soul and go with this news ones, which is like, you know, brave in thought, strong in body, fierce in love, obsessed in life, which I guess would be TBD. You know? Might might change. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, you know, it could be exactly that TBC.   To be confirmed this would be reviewed. But, you know, that's like thought, mind, there's body,   there's love in there, which is a little bit separate to soul. And there's like obsession in life. And I guess that could be, you know, experiences and everything else. So   part of me starts to be like, okay, I   this is kind of like feeling like the next evolution. Does that change my imminent human being that I've I've noted down?  



[00:35:47] Kyrin Down:

You know, maybe, maybe not. I'm not not Again, have joint ones with other people and then you can have separate ones for yourself. There's nothing  

[00:35:54] Juan Granados:

wrong with that. For sure. For sure. But again, it's just it's it's an example here of going   what served me for many, many years,   could continue to serve me well,   but there's a real transition of life that happens at probably multiple points in life. I'm sure we'll discover them as we get older as well. I'm just in that one where I need to   shift things I think to it. And the more I'm talking about now, the more it's becoming like, obviously in my mind, I think it's time to change those eminent human beings slightly. And again, it's kind of be like, as you've done there, it's just, it's not that it was wrong. It was just cool. They served me to a certain point in life. I'm now time to evolve what that looks like.   Nothing Matthew McConaughey, I think it's Matthew says like a good line when he was doing a speech something and when someone asks him, you know,   who's your hero?  

And he goes, it's me ten years in the future. And then   they asked him ten years in the future, like, are you here now? And he's like, No, my hero is ten years in the future. Something to that concept where it's like, you got to set it out like a plan. And again, after a certain amount of time, you will then be able to kind of review   and recalibrate and go, Oh, actually, it's now the slightly different vector path in life. And that's what you take. And that's not wrong. It's just it was at a point and now it's going to change. So I think my mind, if I'm going to be direct, I think my imminent human, the the language will be similar, but it'll probably be a different breakdown in categorization,   which will then lead to change in the annual goals to come   that are more like behavior. Like you would have heard there when I was just saying, I'll I'll give you an example of just like,   the obsession, obsessed in life.  

That some of the sub things in there is like, chop every day no matter what,   chase improvement, red letters. Shop   every day. Show up, show up every day. On show up. Show up, show up.   I was like, Jesus Christ, grocery shopping is not important to Jesus. Show up, show up every day no matter what, chase improvement relentlessly,   play long term games with long term people. So there's like some sub things there where it's when I'm like reading these, they're like, oh, these are like action. These are like things that go awkward. They encourage me to again, independent of what I'm doing. It's like the actual behaviors and activities and actions I want to do and take. And so I think what you'll probably see, not now, I think I'll continue out as annual goals and complete it out. But I think there'll be some overall changes in the same way that you've been doing that'll start shifting that   lens of how I approach life. Beautiful. Excited, excited to hear. Yep. So the big changes there.  



[00:38:18] Kyrin Down:

I might just jump on to Boostragram Lounge. Yep. And then after that, we'll, I've got a quick little thought of just verbalizing manifesting, but we shouldn't take too long. Okay. It's coming on, people. It's coming on. It's coming on. Why why is it coming on? Well. The Chuck's cloth beanie. The Chuck's is on. Does my voice sound crisper and cleaner? As I as I Absolutely. Think so as well. Oh, wait. Wait.  

[00:38:40] Juan Granados:

We got a message from Peter.   So   oh, we're talking about this one from Peter? I think we already had that one. Okay. Cool. Okay. Although the call's on, calls in through at 03:17AM   at our time. I'm getting leaner along with Karen. I'm experimenting with hot yoga too. Our first session is on Monday. We will see how it goes and how I feel. Love it. That's super exciting. How did it go? Carl, tell us how hot yoga was. Oh. And he sends out 111   sets in using fountain.  

[00:39:05] Kyrin Down:

Monday, that'll be in, Oh, sorry. Yes, yes. More on Monday.  

[00:39:09] Juan Granados:

Well, you'll have to let us know how hot yoga went. So you're getting leaner? Good. Yeah. Along with Kyren.  

[00:39:14] Kyrin Down:

I wish you both the best with your leanness. That was at twenty ninth. Maybe we didn't read Peter's twenty ninth. So that would have been I think I might have said to you directly. Yeah. No, we didn't. We didn't put it on the podcast. Okay. Yeah. So let me read apologies for coming there. And Peter, since 02/2022,  

[00:39:28] Juan Granados:

he sat says he's a founding row of ducks. Peter's was I was playing this episode in the car and this is when we're talking about,   current annual goals   today. And she said she was surprised to hear Ky was still single. He seemed like such a sweet guy. I can't help but agree.  

[00:39:43] Kyrin Down:

That's the past tense. He seemed. Seemed.  

[00:39:46] Juan Granados:

We talked a little, on the actual discord. Peter and we talked on the on the discord channel quite a bit about this as well, by the way. So obviously we want to see what that chatter was about. Yeah. Go in there. Appreciate it, Peter as well. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Same with you, Carl and all the best and leaning down. Yeah. Yeah. Cold. Cold. Some  

[00:40:02] Kyrin Down:

he'll he'll look good. He's it's a he's a strong boy and Cole.   Strong tall. Forget how tall he is, but yeah.   Exciting to him, man. I love love when people start doing a change their fitness journey as well.   Yeah. Do tell us about the the hot yoga   that I think it'll be up his alley in but also hard.  

[00:40:21] Juan Granados:

I think I've ever done. Not sure I  

[00:40:24] Kyrin Down:

don't believe Cole is super flexible. So yeah, I'm I'm with you. I'm with you. It'll test you. What I wanted to bring up with the verbalizing   portion and this relates to Comic Con. Yes. Yep. One punch band over here.   So the way that   came about was   something I'd   just   I'm going to say this,   the verbalizing   even just that word. So putting, you know, thoughts into into words. We already talked about the importance just before verbs as in like having a verb as your and a long term goal   rather than   the noun, the thing that you're trying to achieve,   even if they   can be very similar.  

That that switch I think is useful.   And the way it came about was I was chatting with   a friend in the gym, Nick. I hadn't seen him for a while, and   he was the one who actually brought it up at first and said something   related with talking about some random topic. And then he mentioned Comic Con. This is like an off offhand thing.   And I just verbalized what went through my head, which was, you know, I've always thought about going to that, but I've never like I've never done it. And I didn't need to say that. I don't   it's almost like a complaint in a way   Because because he could have just   said, Why don't you go then? Yeah.  

But instead he he was kind of like, you know what, I had a very similar thing as well. I have never been. And   that was the moment where people say this all the time.   You can verbalize something and nothing comes about of it. But then taking action. And this is where I took action. And I went, Okay, let me see when the next one is in Brisbane. And then it was like, perfectly conveniently a month later.   I just showed him then it was like, did you want to go to this? So yeah, sure. Yeah, let's go.   And so it was one of those ones where   I just a simple act of kind of like throwing it out there.  

Made it happen. And   I had another one which kind of could have happened where   it also leads into each other. So then I   go to Comic Con the next week, talking to people in the gym and the guy there.   I said like, Oh, yeah, went to the Comic Con.   It was it was interesting, you know, talking about it. And then he said he brought something about the sex pro. Also another thing where I'm like, Oh, yeah, sure. I'd go to that someday. And   I followed up the same thing was like, Oh, do you want to go? Like, when's when's the next one? And he was keen   with him.  

It didn't like transpire.   So   and I think Jake's left the gym now, so I'm not sure I'll see him again, at least for a foreseeable future.   But the yeah. What are your thoughts on   you've got something   let's say you're writing down goals like we have here.   We now verbalize them a lot with the actual podcast and say, you know,   for for this, it's   I don't feel the accountability as much in terms of some people say   verbalize it, tell it to people so that they then can say, like, you said you were going to do this. Have you done this?   What are your thoughts on if you're just doing goal setting and writing things down?  

Is it okay to just have it written down? Or do you think you need to   speak it into action into in some some shape or form?  

[00:43:51] Juan Granados:

Yeah,   I can see   the   I can see the statement being made about verbalizing   it being good. I think it would, at least for me, it kind of doesn't matter if I was a verbalizer with like a big group of people or like just a wider range of people. It would matter if I Even to yourself, you know, if you're in your room, I've got this little sheet that I now read out. Well, this is what I was gonna say. If I verbalize it with myself,   no no anything different than just   the the behavior of writing it. If If I verbalize it though with, like, immediate people that I actually   care about, like, they give a damn about some of the things, then maybe there's a little bit more   stringency or, like, expectation on it. So, you know, the simple one is obviously verbalize   the running volume one, let's just say for instance, with my wife, it's,   it's probably a little bit better because it helps, you know, keep me in tune. And if I, you know, for whatever reason, I'm on a Saturday, I do want to do a long run, and I don't or I sleep in or something else,   that there's a little bit more of of responsibility of how, like, I verbalize it to this person and they're not seeing me follow-up with that behavior. Okay. But I can see that.  

But for myself personally,   nah. Like I'll probably say there wouldn't be like any Delta difference between   me writing it and visual, like verbalizing it to myself. And I've definitely   tried that not with goals by my maxims. I've got like a list of maxims that I've built up over time.   I've both read them are both like just like both vocally and just like in my mind, I guess reading them through.   That no real difference in doing that myself.  

[00:45:30] Kyrin Down:

For me, I think the   acts is   somewhat useful for some. So in particular,   I guess what you call harder ones,   no porn, for example. If I had said that to myself, I I think it can also be maybe verbalizing is maybe not the best way, but getting it out of your head. So writing it down,   it's not verbalizing it, but instead of just having in my head like this next month, I'm only going to   I'm going to have no porn, no porn or no masturbation this next month, whatever it is.   I think if you just think that   that's not strong enough, your thoughts are too ephemeral.   You can't have maybe there's some people who are just locked in stone.  

That they think something can it's   set.   I'm certainly not one of those where it's   I could find wiggle wiggle room around that. Oh, yeah, I get to. Yep. It's not porn, but maybe like I can can look at some girls on Instagram and like, oh, you know, if they've got a bikini on, that's fine. Or like, oh, if it's like a really is G string, that's fine.   You can go down the whole rabbit hole   until you're watching porn where the girls are fully clothed. And it's like, oh, there's a good point.   The   so   definitely I would advocate writing it down. I think the next step is just like an additional little bit that can be the verbalizing it.   The other bit was just thoughts into actions was,   the experience I had yesterday in the gym where,   girl is on the hip thrust lady. I don't know. Girl, lady,   that age where it's like, it's hard to say.  

And   I just said something random. I think it was like, Oh, you don't like that one next to me? Because she kind of looked like she was iffing, I mean, and worrying about going on this one versus the other one.   And   it was   that's just pure verbalization.   Did I want to, you know,   potentially get to know her was this like the lifelong partner?   In this case, no, because she's got   a husband and a kid.   But the starting off with that is not going to be like super helpful for me. And in turn,   just by starting off with what went through my head, which is like, Oh, do you not like that one over there? Because I also don't like that one because it was fucking rig around and it's fucking annoying.   Turned into a really good conversation. She's actually really into goal setting. And, you know, she's got like an e commerce business. Very   similar.  

You know, she even has a long term goal around spirituality   and around finance, like very, very similar to   especially how I do but how we do in general.   The tiers as well, like the long term, okay,   yearly, I think she was even more   better than us. She had five year three year one year monthly or something. So   yeah, Eugenie   rock solid fame. But that was another one where I just went   the   simple act of just saying what is a completely   inane.   Yeah,   dare I even say unhelpful thought, or you don't like that one over there?   Yeah. Maybe that for her, if she was in a different state of mind, be like, what a useless comment. Yeah. Yeah. What is this? Like, how is that?  

Why would you even say that?  

[00:48:50] Juan Granados:

But it in turn, it actually led to a really fun conversation and good connection. Yeah, I was gonna say because, part of you were just talking through then about like, you know, verbalizing something.   The bottom line, like   whatever it might take so that what you think   and what you say and what you do are all aligned,   pocket through whatever it is that it takes. Right. And if that means   verbalizing   something,   do it. If it means keeping it to yourself because that's what achieves it, do it. So, yeah. Yeah, you could you could get  

[00:49:23] Kyrin Down:

a strength from knowing that other people don't know what you're doing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, I've  

[00:49:29] Juan Granados:

often, you know,   when I was much younger, I would say a lot of things like, I want to do this, I want to do that, I want to accomplish something in it. And, you know, maybe two out of 10 things would be done. Two out of freaking a 100 things would be done. Right. And then I went through a big phase and probably still continue where I don't share all the things I'm doing. And I might just be like, Hey, this has been done. And it's like, Oh shit, you never even like mentioned it.   Yeah. Some of it has like, and again, going back to the core concept of what I think, what I say and what I do. Okay, well, in some of those aspects, I'm not, maybe I'm saying it to very,   like my wife basically or my daughter. Right. But whatever it takes to that, but I'm thinking what I'm saying and what I'm doing is all aligned,   then I'm good. And sometimes that might mean that you use a tactic of, you know, vocalizing it. I don't potentially that often with like goals and whatnot,   but other people would. So   obviously, you know, if you listen to this, try it out, try it out to see if it actually functions like that. But in your case, you know, you were thinking something, you said it. And also sometimes with your activities, like they're doing with the Comic Con, it was like, yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna follow through with it. Yeah. You know, so it was the fact that you thought about it, you vocalize it and you did it that then helps you, you know, you went to an experience, you ended up being on a boat, you know, the tail end of it. So a little boat. A lot of those things, you know, you're not gonna get to happen unless you go and follow through on all three things. And I think when you've got them misaligned, it really,   especially   it's like,   with with your goal, right? No porn. If you go, that's what I'm thinking. You   vocalize it, but then you don't do it right when you   have some of those out of sync. Like you kind of feel shit about yourself. That's where you say, like, you start breaking down your identity or what you think or what you can achieve because you're not aligned. If you hadn't vocalize it, so you just you think it, you don't vocalize it,   but you do do it, you know, maybe that's okay still because you just didn't talk about it. But if you,   verbally would like just saying it something completely different being like,   you thinking, you know, I'm not gonna do porn. You I'm I'm watching it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. But then you're actually not doing it. You know? Is it like, is it still good?  

Maybe maybe like you're trying to throw, like, everyone off the sand and come back at the end and be like, I actually did it. I don't know. Maybe that's a bit of a weird one. That'd be a funny   one. Sorry. But in any case, I think it's the and and, you know, even the way that I described that, which I think is why I wanna try to alternate some of my manual goals is   dig deep underneath to find, like, the really foundational cool things that I those are the core things that I should be aiming for and then the behaviors around that.   Yeah. Again, this is all a learning thing. Like, so if you if you're listening to this and you've got any tips and tricks, maybe in particular for us, maybe you're older older than you go, you know what, guys?  

I went through that phase. Now I'm on that particular phase. And I can tell you in my experience, this isn't this wonderful.   If you are younger, and you disagree with this,   I'm telling you, it will change. It will change. Life changes. Honestly, you're one of those people who stay acting like a teen or a 20 year old for the rest of your life. There's some people out there and they enjoy it. Fine. Maybe you won't go through that phase. But I think for most people, there's a definitive   like,   Tony Robbins calls it your quarters, your quarters in life.   I'll I'll just call it different things. The seasons of life. There's actually the definitive naming to all these things if you actually want to look at it in that range.  

It's just   mine's changing. Yours is altering and changing as well. Language is an important part of that. However it is that you talk about it with yourself with others.  

[00:52:51] Kyrin Down:

Super important and more so now I think than it used to be in the past. Yeah, there's a final stab in the back to the manifesting that we talked about. You might be might be going oh, they talked about manifesting very positively here is the   shank.   The problem with manifesting is the, they get the thought right, they get the saying right, but then they they don't do the doing part. And that's, that's always been the problem with manifesting for me.   I want more abundance in my life.   You can think it you can say it but unless you're taking steps to actually make it happen as well.   And  

[00:53:26] Juan Granados:

I sure it might happen through luck of, you know, getting a lottery or something. But yeah, but but this is like, very, very, you can think it. Yeah, you can think it, you can vocalize it. Yeah, you can say like, I want to be successful. I want to be the imminent human being. I want to be, you know, an abundant life. You don't do   you're missing, you're missing something there. And I think that's, that's key. So I think, I think the vocalizing bit is less a priority. Again, it is what you say is important in a way, but at least in my mind is like what you think and what you do. Like that's a really important, the vocal bit. Yeah, you can probably like shift and change a little bit depending on who you are, but think about something and actually do the thing. So yeah, I find the vocalization a bit helpful for  

[00:54:05] Kyrin Down:

when I'm with other people. And it's more it's not even about   it's more about just conveying information of   this is what I'm working on. And, you know, if other people are interested in it, they can join in, jump in. But if not, that's also fine. Absolutely. Well, we're gonna leave it there. No more. Thank you very much. Is there any other comments just to address something?   Just other calls saying time to manifest.  

[00:54:27] Juan Granados:

Time to manifest indeed. Yes. We are improving our language. If you wanna, support us once again, folks, you can use all the new podcasting platforms out there. We can send through a boost to Graham like Peter and Carl did. You can send through some streams.   You can send through something via   Patreon. It's not Patreon. Sorry. PayPal. PayPal.  

[00:54:46] Kyrin Down:

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[00:54:49] Juan Granados:

Support. Oh,   great. And again,   word-of-mouth, sharing with others, always very important.   You'll find us thinking, doing, and acting, and vocalizing things as we go. But, again, if you want any feedback for us on on some of this monthly goals and the way that we set out our language and conversations, tell us. It would help us as well. For sure. We'll leave it there. Any more lines, be well wherever you are in the world.   Bye now. Bye.   Good. Good. Good.