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For real, where do all these random obsessions come from?

In Episode #435 of 'Musings', Juan & I discuss: why Juan struggles to wake up at 4am sometimes, battling with your own bad tendencies, the fixation on fitness, irrationality as the main indicator of obsession, crazy hope within 'Death Of A Salesman', Juan's maxims for life and why I'm going to replace my hands with cinder blocks.

Huge thanks to Dave Jones, Balderdash Boys & McIntosh for the boostagrams. Your support means the world to us!

Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(1:25) - Juan's run story
(3:41) - The character in your mind
(12:11) - What would X do here?
(19:55) - What are we obsessed with?
(26:47) - The difference between passion & obsession
(33:48) - Why we do V4V
(39:04) - Boostagram Lounge
(43:36) - A time for violence .... I'm not a fan
(50:33) - Where do obsessions come from?
(1:01:33) - The benefits of madness
(1:07:33) - Feeling alive & a passionate attitude
(1:13:37) - Summary
(1:19:03) - V4V: Alas we will provide value


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Kyrin Down & Juan Gra: We can be
Mere Mortals

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Certainly on mere mortals.
Welcome back to another

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edition of Musings.
Now it is the 21st

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of February, 7 p.m.
Australian Eastern Standard Time.

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We go live here with
the musings conversation

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with myself Juan on one.
Side and Kyrin here

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on the other side.
Now, if you are tuning in

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live at all right now,
welcome for those who are

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joining us afterwards. Well,
I just invite you

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that you can come in
tune in at a live sessions

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of these musings.
We are in the short

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comings as well.
We're going to be able

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to be doing them live audio
formats as well.

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So we're going to try
and get that is kind of

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like the next
thing that's coming along.

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So one tune for that, too.
If for whatever reason

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you actually tune into this
and you've come in

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from a particular stream
or method

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that I've either put out
of trying to invite people in,

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please drop it into the comments.
I want to see

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if you actually came in
because of that or if

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no one came to receive it.
Testing it out. There's

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three people in there.
One's me, one's probably

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your mum, one might be.
So I've jumped out So me

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so it might be one more in there.
So now musings me

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and more lights. We get to have
a conversation

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on a particular deep topic
that we want to either

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come to mind. Something has been
happening as of late

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that's at least front of mind.
Not so much

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sometimes in the news,
but we try to pin it all

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back to some sort of
effective policy. And today's is

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that madness
behind the mind right now.

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I'll give you my reasoning
as to why I thought about this

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as well to explain it.
Because when I first

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when I first started,
I had no idea what you expect.

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So I'll I'll give you.
The the story that initiated

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this particular thing.
So I was talking a little bit

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about this before of a way I went
and had a run

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with our friend Mitchell
at a particular club.

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Now Mitchell's
getting another call out

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this session as well.
I know that doesn't sound like a.

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Good one in a good set. Now
that particular run

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was a five kilometre run.
Fair enough. Easy standard to

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most people, I would say
maybe on the edging

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of a little bit higher.
For me it's like,

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okay, that's the upper
area of running.

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I'm doing it as of late.
So in any case, the day

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before we were messaging
in the group

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of who were actually on
for this run, I sort of said,

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Hey, if you guys want to,
let's catch up

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a little bit earlier.
Now, the run started at six

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in the morning and I said, hey,
we can catch up

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a little bit early
and just a little jog beforehand.

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And I said,
No, you're not going to do that.

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Of course, for me, I'll challenge
accepted, I'm

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going to take you south.
So I actually rocked up at 5 a.m.

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and I did a run before the run.
They did the run, so the world

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warmed up afterwards.
So after that,

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I kind of thought it in my mind
when there's a little bit

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of madness here in my mindset,
there's a little bit

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of madness, and
I don't know if it's it might

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come across sometimes
when we talk about in the podcast

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that we might get fixated
on particular things.

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I don't know
if we've ever done on

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a particular journey into
why we do that

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or why we get into such
a fixation or the idea of some of

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those mentalities.
I thought it'd be cool

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to explain it perhaps
through some stories.

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I've got a couple of
questions, maybe trigger

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those sort of questions
and float around it.

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So that that suit
or what the thought

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was in your mind?
Yeah, I kind of put it.

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Down to examining
preferences and, you know,

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what is obsession
and and why why do you do

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certain things?
And there's a couple

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of things in my mind. I go,
I've known you for a while,

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but it might be nice to explore
over here in a minute.

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Let me just ask
this question of maybe

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seems obvious
at the forefront of people

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who will be listening to
us for a while.

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But maybe it isn't.
Maybe it isn't.

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Something like I want
I want to explore that. Right.

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Let's start with
Matt is behind the mind on

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Do you think that you have
a character that you play

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in your mind, right, In terms of
if you were to describe your mind

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and looking at the
either the creative

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or the idea or the icon
that sits behind there,

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do you think if you really
thought about it, there is a

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an icon or a story
that you try to play

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in the back of your mind
that might start

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explaining reasons
for why you do something?

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Or do you think it is
very, very, very,

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very much eminent
through just the way

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that you interact and do things
that you've like growing up,

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and that's just
how you've decided

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that you're going
to pursue things

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in acting things. Okay, I'll try
and put this in normal

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people's play because I didn't
understand my gut.

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I'm guessing like the
question you're asking is

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when I do things in real life,
do I do them

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because I feel that's
what the character

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of Kyran should do? As in,
I've kind of created a persona

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who does these things like
this guy does this, and

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that's why I do things.
Or is that is that kind of what

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you're trying to get at? It is
it is it's maybe it's fun.

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Another way I'd say is
the in the mind of Kyran,

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is there a semi defined
or defined story

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that you see yourself as that
then helps

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you do the things that you
do on a day to day basis?

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I wouldn't say it's like a
structured thing, no.

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And the reason I would say
that is the a good example.

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So this last week
I've been battling with myself

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because I've developed
some pretty bad habits recently.

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These were things
like taking my laptop down to me

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when I was eating dinner
and then so I'd like

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but just watch watch
some bull crap on YouTube.

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Sometimes it would be,
you know, like a

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soccer games that was, you know,
sometimes I'd go down

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a YouTube rabbit hole.
I think I was talking

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recently about the BMX
riding like Mega Avalanche

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and things like that
where it's just like, okay, what?

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I just watched a 40 minute
video of a dude

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riding down a hill
like what is cool,

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but you know, why
am I doing this anyway?

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Lots of bad habits.
Just picking up

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where I was noticing like,
okay, I'm, I'm

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staying down there longer.
I'm watching stuff in.

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When I'm not eating, I'm
getting to bed later on.

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I'm not reading as much
because I get to bed

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late on and I'm waking up
like groggy

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when I'm I can't groggy.
I'm not making good decisions.

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And, you know, these
of cascading things. And

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I was, you know, at
points was where I'm like

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getting angry at myself.
Like, what the fuck

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are you doing this car?
So it's like internally

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battling against myself
and I think that kind of

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is the anti of having a
well defined character of

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this guy does this
and then you're

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kind of like following
the path perhaps of

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you know Kieran's
a guy who wakes up

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raring to go, he's
motivated, he's positive,

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this sort of thing.
Well, that's that's not

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what was happening.
And so obviously that was like

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two different things
going on side.

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So it was like, well,
am I the guy who's fucking around

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or am I the guy
who wants to do better?

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I guess. Well, but,
but pulls on that.

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So when you say that
you get angry at yourself

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or you kind of rebel,
you're like,

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Wait a minute, why am
I doing them on my wasting

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in that? Is that because
the mindset

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that you would want to be
expressing like,

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you know, within within
you was like,

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hey, this is the what
I want to be like.

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If it was going to be the story
that I'm telling myself

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of my mindset,
it's that I shouldn't

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be doing that.
No, it's it's more, it's

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more action orientated.
Why am I doing these things

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when I would rather
not be doing this? Like, why?

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Why am I staying up late
and I can't be

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in a good reason to it?
I can't say it was my

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instead of saying up right
like it's

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just what was happening.
So I was more,

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it was more looking
at that my own actions

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and going, okay,
I don't like what these

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actions are happening.
How can you fix these?

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What can you do differently
so that you don't

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end up doing this? So it wasn't
it's not really

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about the mindset per se.
It's more just realising,

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I'm doing things which
I don't think I want to be doing,

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so why am I doing them
and then trying to fix it?

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Do you think it's starting
to all boil down for you then?

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More so on actions
like the actual when you

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when you're talking
about these things,

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it's like more action based.
Yeah, I put low value on terms of

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trying to create a mindset
or a character. You know, people

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look in the mirror
because I've tried

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this stuff before.
A lot of self-development books.

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BE Yeah, looking in the mirror,
telling yourself,

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this is the type of guy
waking up and, you know, saying

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you're grateful for this. And I'm
grateful these things and, and I

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think that is very much
in the kind of mindset building.

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And, you know, people talk
about this all the time.

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David Goggins
Probably a good, good

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example was like,
you know, your mindset,

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your fucking weak pussy,
all this sort of thing.

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And I'm less interested
in trying to do that

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because it didn't work for me,
whereas I'm much more

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pragmatic in the sense of,
okay, well I'm,

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I'm waking up late,
so what can I do to

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what I'm waking up?
Like, what's the reason for that?

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Okay, well, I'm going to bed.
All right, so what can I do

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to make sure I go to bed early?
I can not take my my laptop down.

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So that's one of the
things I've implemented.

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And I've also implemented like,
I have to be going

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to sleep by midnight or,
you know, turning off books

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and or at the very least
in bed by midnight. You know,

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this is interesting
because when I

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when I guess I'm thinking
that there's madness

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behind the mind. I didn't
actually distinctly say

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I wanted to be Hi. Hey, what's
the mindset? Because maybe

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you could repeat and say, yeah,
that is a mindset of that.

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It's more action orientated
whether you call or not

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just terminology,
but I would say that

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it's actually interesting
that you are much

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more action orientated
when it comes to

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the madness is going okay.
When you do something,

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you seem to be
letting the trigger or things

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change by the action.
Like he's like, Yeah,

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if you want to go to,
if you like, hey,

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I need to go to bed earlier.
That means I've got to

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take this action
and I've been taking

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this wrong action. If I want to
fix my mindset,

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I fix the actions first.
So yeah, so he's good.

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Which is, I mean, that's
like an effective

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philosophy, right?
That's very effective with

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I really, like,
inquire into myself around

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is that kind of what I do
from like a more action.

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And in some
I'd have to be honest way

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where it's easy for me.
Yes, the action comes easy.

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So when you talk about dreaming
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dislike running,
I've been doing more running now,

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it's probably a little bit easier
to do running than it is

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to do something else
that I completely, totally hate.

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Perhaps meditation so and so.
Yeah, there's some,

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you know, self-discipline,
There's some

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obstacle to doing it,
but by the by

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the action can take place
and it's not a monumental

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effort to do it.
All this reasoning, however,

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I saw a lot of the mountain
as it comes behind,

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you know, like that story.
Well, okay, I'm going to run

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two kilometres before this
half kilometre run

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just because one this person said
sorry, like this person told me

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I can do it.
I'm even going to do it

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even more now. Yeah, but
there was a perspective of I can

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see that I'm very much
I can be more heavily

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influenced by people
that I even thought beforehand.

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I think I went through
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when I was much younger
I definitely didn't recognise it.

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But as I've grown older
now, I look back

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and I go, Hey, when I was
first training at the gym

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I used to train a group
of island guys, right?

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And when I hung out with them,
we had, I can recall back

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now do my like
speech changed the way

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that my tone of voice changed.
The way that I would

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interact very much wasn't.
And I wouldn't say

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it wasn't morphing
so that I could replicate then,

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but it was more morphing
so I could be part of them.

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Be part of that group. Yes, the.
Spine of those groups.

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And I do that.
I tend to do that pretty

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likes without thinking.
It's a very just

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the self to sort of
comes out of sort of

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just morphing into those
groups as you go along.

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And now as I move forward,
I go, you know what?

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Yes, the actions like I do,
the monthly goals

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and everything else. Yeah,
you can see the madness of, okay,

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when you're putting together
these tasks

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and you're going to take
some actions and that's mapping

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to a big, broader view,
that's good for me.

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But another part of it is
let's just come to

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waking up in the morning
at the moment

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for a really long time.
My ability, my ability

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to be getting up at the

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415 4: 30 a.m. time frame was
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Those couple of like
maybe a month

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and a half ago there was,
you know, a monday I'd wake up

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good Tuesday,
I slept a little bit.

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Now something was like
five in the morning

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because like man,
asteroids, Detroit,

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everything off. Q was
a maybe a little bit

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better Thursday again off.
And honestly, I was putting on

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different alarms
to try to improve it.

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I was trying to take
some more of these action

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based approach of,
okay, that means I need

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to go do this, this.
And it was working, but then it

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didn't work
as well as at the moment

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I'm reading borrows
Cameron Haines Endurance.

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I have reread
David Goggins book before

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and is another like video series
that I'm watching that is kind of

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like a David Goggins pain solving
and just in watching that

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has influenced the madness
behind my mind of, okay, now I'm

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going to get up every morning
and it's sort of like

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spurred me on to
actually do the actions.

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So when I think about it
and you know,

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some in the podcast,
we've talked about it before, I'm

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default assertive.
It can be more default action.

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I don't think that's
always the case. I think it or

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it can be the case
when I choose it to be in.

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It's an easy path
but sometimes in the hot

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path of now recognise
I actually get much more

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movement when I'm employed
just by hopefully

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positive mediums
that I'm absorbing,

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which might make me go, shit,
it actually makes me

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think as well
how much more influential for me

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it is to absorb the right
type of information and not,

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you know, feed myself.
If I went down rabbit holes

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and just be checking out
different things,

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it would pull me away
from the things I actually want

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to focus on much more.
I think that it would,

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it would for you.
So I go, shit, yeah.

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My, my monkey
mind would get really pulled away

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if I allowed it to do that. Okay.
I'm curious as to what

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goes through your mind so far.
I am. It's Tuesday.

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You've set your alarm
and you wake up.

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What goes through your head
that ends up resulting

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you waking up at 530?
Is it like is it you're

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just body is physically
so tired that you sleep

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through alarms or
That so so partly so definitely.

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When I was sleeping through
it would be I would wake

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up to the alarm, I would wake up,
but it was the reason of not

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getting up was I would usually
look at my watch, It's

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going off for ten.
Whatever. I stop it.

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I still lay in the bed
for about 10 seconds

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thinking like,
I've got to get up,

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got to get it is I got to sleep?
Was it like 10 seconds

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later I'm asleep
and then I rise again

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at 530 and I'm like,
damn, what the hell?

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No, now I've got to get
moving. Sir.

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And how is that? Yes,
that's 10 seconds. Not exist on a

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on a monday, for example.
Well, yes, it doesn't

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exist on a monday
just by default. But it

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I can see that it's attached
to a mindset perspective

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of hey, it's a monday
and usually associated

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Monday with
the joint day of work.

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Usually I try to get up
even earlier Monday. Three 5340

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So it's like, okay, here's
an extra bit of effort day.

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And what I've seen that's
starting to prove a little bit

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more useful is maybe the mind's
that way when I'm waking up

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at the moment,
whether it be a Tuesday

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or Thursday or something.
I kind of go in

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that moment of waking ago.
I more specifically,

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I'm reminding myself,
Hey, if I don't get up right now

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and go trying to,
this is going to happen. One, I'm

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probably not gonna get
a training session.

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And that's the reality
of my work.

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Like my day right now too.
I know it's going to suck.

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Like I know
I'm going to be worse off

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if I don't go
when I feel more tired,

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I'm going to feel
resentful that I didn't try and

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all these sort of things.
And within that window of

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10 seconds,
it'll keep me awake and

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actually get me moving.
Now, this helps more obstacles

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that come in the way
before I actually

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leave out the door. But it's like
it helps that

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that ten second buffer
of falling back asleep

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and just going, Now I better get
better get up and go do it

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or else I just not going to
get them back. Yeah.

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So but it's, it's
very obvious to me now

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that in a lot of places
my mindset actually doesn't come

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so much from direct actions.
It has to be some of

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the fundamental mindset
that I'm putting myself in

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and that's it.
When I ask you a question,

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I didn't think you'd have one.
That's what I and that's

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why I was curious. I was like,
Ooh, in my mind,

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in like the story
that I tell myself, there's

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probably some influence
from heaps of people.

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There's like,
there's a little bit of

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a Cameron Haynes
and a David Goggins,

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and there's some of that
and blended all together

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and what I can see
and that shapes what I do.

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Whereas for you
I thought the answer was

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going to be, not really.
I don't really have that.

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It's more a
you have actions that you

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take hold and you do. Yeah,
I'd say that that kind of

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mix that you would just
describing there

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that would describe my ideas
when I think about things.

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So when I analyse something,
it will usually be through, okay,

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you know this person, you know,
the Stoics said

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this type of thing,
this person, the Buddhist

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said this sort of thing.
my real life examples

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and you know, my dad
would probably argue this.

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And then when
I'm looking at an idea

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that would usually or
something philosophical,

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that would probably be
where I have

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that more sort of mindset.
Whereas if it's it's interesting

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and it's related to
a should I go to his an example.

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So I've been meaning
to go to a dance class

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for like two or three months now,
in particular a ballet one.

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And I just haven't gotten around
to like even bothering to,

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to look for one
was the nearest one. That was one

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which I could have gone to
with friend.

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And then he goes, He's
kind of been like, and I'm not

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that interested anymore.
So I was like, Okay,

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well that's like the easy
way of getting that done,

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that now, now eliminated.
What would be my reasoning

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for going
to all that sort of stuff?

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I don't
really look at that and go

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to Cameron's. What would Cameron
Haines say with relation

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to this particular action
and me taking it or not taking it

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doesn't
really go through my mind.

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Yeah, that that's actually that's
an interesting point

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because I would then say my ideas
are influence for sure,

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but I'm not as conscious
as maybe the way that

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you're putting it in mind.
Definitely when I

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when I come up with ideas or I'm
thinking through things,

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sure, it's influenced
by what you consume,

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but it's not as conscious maybe
as the way that you're

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thinking it through. Yeah,
but for sure I do have the moment

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where it's on a precisely,
Hey, what would

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X do with this moment?
That's not very far away?

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Case in point,
I have a conversation on Friday.

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We were talking about this
with Anthony and I'm

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toying with the idea of so
one of the aspects

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of getting into at
the moment is watching

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all of Chris Williamson,
a lot of his stuff

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and I really like the quality,
but I know myself,

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I'm not a movie guy. We're not
cinematographers,

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we're not lighting experts.
There's some stuff

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that I can know,
but I'm never going

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to get that quality.
I was toying with the idea

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of like, You know what?
Maybe I'll just pay us

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like a good, high quality
cinematographer person

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to do one session so I can see
and then go well.

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And as I thought through
that process, like, okay, well,

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what are the people
who are doing that

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and what would they do
and how they've been doing it?

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That seems to be my kind
of almost default

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check as opposed to hat
use the actions I need

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to take to go and do that.
So there's a big influence

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to the people I see or the stuff
I'm consuming that helps

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me go and do stuff. Okay, Now
that's an interesting one.

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I've got a question for you.
So this is related to obsession

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and why, why, why, when?
Kind of like where does it

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come from? Yes.
So a question for you.

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Like, what things
are you obsessed with

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and when I say obsessed,
I mean where you take

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actions which you in a
perhaps another light,

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would consider irrational or mad,
which, you know, madness.

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Madness implies irrationality.
So would they running it,

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you know.
What time did you say it

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was? At 5 a.m..
And you went there at 5 a.m.

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and you ran extra
before you're six?

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AM Actual correct
that to some people and maybe

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even yourself would
can you consider mad or

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you're obsessed
with something? Yes.

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So what other things are
you obsessed with just in

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general, Do you have a list?
Definitely. Definitely.

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I'll just grouped together
fitness of some way, shape

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or form, just in all its formats.
I overdo it for sure,

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more than the do it and easily
in an irrational way,

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whether it's getting rid of,
you know,

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extra sleep, other things
that just like, hey,

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I've got to get it done.
So for sure, that's,

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that's one aspect of that
I would be irrational about.

445
00:21:15,856 --> 00:21:21,238
So for me, I've got the kind
of things where I, I would say

446
00:21:19,568 --> 00:21:22,698
it's things that I dream
or daydream about.

447
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,325
So it's, it's where I'll,
I'll find myself

448
00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:29,663
wandering off and thought
and, and it's kind of

449
00:21:30,705 --> 00:21:32,915
just wasted time.
It's almost like

450
00:21:31,539 --> 00:21:34,459
a little pleasurable, like things
going off in my brains.

451
00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,961
I wouldn't this be nice
if this happened or,

452
00:21:36,961 --> 00:21:39,881
you know, it's
totally unreal, but

453
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:42,550
it's kind of fun to
to participate sometimes.

454
00:21:42,550 --> 00:21:44,845
And a lot of
those things would be like

455
00:21:45,929 --> 00:21:47,722
I would have said
soccer once upon a time.

456
00:21:47,722 --> 00:21:54,563
And nowadays I would say it's
getting very good at handstands

457
00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:56,522
in particular,
some sort of like body

458
00:21:54,563 --> 00:22:00,693
weight movements. You say that.
And that's where I would

459
00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:02,570
I would say like I would make
irrational decisions.

460
00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:05,281
Case in point, last night I made
the irrational decision.

461
00:22:05,281 --> 00:22:08,826
I was tying up all day
being like, I probably okay,

462
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:10,746
I'll go to I'm
going to do a half workout today.

463
00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,205
Half of these exercises
will be bad for my hamstring.

464
00:22:13,205 --> 00:22:15,875
I know my hamstring
is feeling a little bit iffy now.

465
00:22:15,875 --> 00:22:18,920
I do it and I'm feeling okay
and then I'm like, okay, well,

466
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,258
I could probably do
a class afterwards that it's

467
00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:26,510
probably going to be okay.
I go into the class. I basically

468
00:22:24,593 --> 00:22:28,180
it was a class.
I had to just sit down

469
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:30,640
for half the time. I was doing
just like my own shit, just like

470
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,683
trying to replicate
what they were doing

471
00:22:31,557 --> 00:22:35,394
with their arms. But you know,
they were doing so much

472
00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:37,521
with their legs as well.
So that's one

473
00:22:35,394 --> 00:22:39,316
where I look back in my
that was done an already

474
00:22:37,521 --> 00:22:40,942
kind of a great in my own mind,
I'm not going to do that.

475
00:22:40,942 --> 00:22:43,444
And then I did it anyway.
Then that's

476
00:22:42,318 --> 00:22:44,320
where I would say it's
that that's getting

477
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,531
into that obsession,
sort of a stage

478
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,951
probably like achievement,
whether it's visible

479
00:22:50,951 --> 00:22:53,329
or non-visible. So I have
I have had like, you know,

480
00:22:53,329 --> 00:22:56,916
the daydreams of
I think I've mentioned

481
00:22:55,624 --> 00:23:00,921
this once before,
but it was like, you know, plane

482
00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:03,131
flies into this house,
a pillow like a piers as a

483
00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:08,720
like a baby that's been ejected.
I have to do like a jump to land

484
00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:10,721
and a one arm handstand
to pick the baby

485
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,973
out of the fire whilst on.
And what you know,

486
00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:15,727
it's like it's a dump,
but it's kind of fun

487
00:23:12,973 --> 00:23:20,231
and it's like I both imagine that
as everyone seeing that

488
00:23:16,644 --> 00:23:22,776
and also no one seeing it.
And I'm and I was

489
00:23:20,231 --> 00:23:25,362
the only one who did it so
and similar sort of thing

490
00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:26,863
like I'll go to the gym
and when I'm one of them

491
00:23:26,863 --> 00:23:29,199
and I kind of have to be
the centre of attention

492
00:23:29,199 --> 00:23:30,282
because I go to the middle
of the floor,

493
00:23:30,282 --> 00:23:35,747
I need tons of space and it can
seem very showy, but

494
00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:38,791
I also get uncomfortable
being the centre

495
00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:40,626
of attention at times and don't
want to be like that.

496
00:23:40,626 --> 00:23:45,214
So that's that's
probably one as well where

497
00:23:42,211 --> 00:23:47,968
it's like achievement.
And this is once again

498
00:23:45,965 --> 00:23:49,970
like paradoxical.
It's both visible

499
00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:52,180
and not visible.
Like I want kind of both

500
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:55,976
of those sort of things. Yeah,
I mean it's interesting

501
00:23:52,888 --> 00:23:57,978
because here we probably
this is something

502
00:23:56,351 --> 00:24:00,605
that we always have in
common with

503
00:23:57,978 --> 00:24:03,400
is it's a clear obsession
in our madness on fitness.

504
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,528
And obviously it can be broad.
And for me it's always

505
00:24:04,901 --> 00:24:09,364
kind of like wavered.
There's been some times

506
00:24:07,528 --> 00:24:11,825
where it's swimming
and then it's shifted

507
00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:12,409
to gym for a long time,
and then it might have been

508
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:14,786
a little bit of running
or just like short

509
00:24:14,786 --> 00:24:17,705
and sharp obsessions
in different regards. But even

510
00:24:17,705 --> 00:24:20,959
the last couple of
days, I've actually been

511
00:24:18,914 --> 00:24:22,626
quite sick, but I'm just kind of
coming out of like.

512
00:24:22,626 --> 00:24:25,630
Thanks for letting me know.
And in the same room.

513
00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:28,842
To go right now.
What what would you think

514
00:24:26,464 --> 00:24:29,384
is the number one thing
people, you know,

515
00:24:29,384 --> 00:24:31,428
the madness body or mind
what you know

516
00:24:30,259 --> 00:24:32,471
starting to get sick.
So I actually with my family

517
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:36,266
who are getting sick. Yeah.
My daughter was like

518
00:24:34,346 --> 00:24:37,683
quite, quite sick. I knew I'm
going to get sick.

519
00:24:37,683 --> 00:24:40,686
It's going to happen.
And, you know,

520
00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:41,896
so I started feeling it.
There's the initial bits

521
00:24:41,896 --> 00:24:45,107
of sickness a couple of days ago.
Yeah. And it's Yeah, what

522
00:24:43,022 --> 00:24:47,818
am I, what am I thinking? What I.
Really how, how can I really make

523
00:24:47,818 --> 00:24:49,904
up the shit sessions
that I'm going to have

524
00:24:49,904 --> 00:24:54,075
something like. That. Yeah.
No. Does it. I wish it was that.

525
00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:58,204
I wish it was that non obsessed.
It wasn't that it was. How can I

526
00:24:58,204 --> 00:25:01,415
down as much as possible
to my limitation,

527
00:25:02,291 --> 00:25:06,296
ease a cold and lemon
sip and Panadol and whatever else

528
00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:08,548
so that you wake up at the
exact same morning time

529
00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:13,094
and how can I go even hotter?
I sweat more and try

530
00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:14,762
and get this thing out. So for
the last couple of days.

531
00:25:15,846 --> 00:25:20,268
I. Stepped up my running.
I went even hotter training.

532
00:25:20,268 --> 00:25:26,106
Now I didn't feel totally shit.
I also don't think it was

533
00:25:24,146 --> 00:25:28,984
that heavy of a cold, so I don't.
I guess you can't

534
00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:31,988
compare them too badly.
But if, if you'll do that

535
00:25:28,984 --> 00:25:35,115
and to me I go
like today it wasn't

536
00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:38,118
feeling like great.
So I did an extra seven

537
00:25:35,115 --> 00:25:41,205
kilometres of walking supposedly
to two kilometres and two

538
00:25:39,538 --> 00:25:43,333
and a half kilometres
trying for an hour. This morning

539
00:25:41,914 --> 00:25:44,000
I was like, You know what?
Yes. Good.

540
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,462
Like this is it's almost
it's almost the obsessive

541
00:25:48,462 --> 00:25:51,465
level where when it seems
a little bit harder

542
00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:56,596
or there's a challenge
on the line, I will,

543
00:25:54,635 --> 00:25:58,515
I will want to push it.
But that is also paradoxical.

544
00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:01,934
Now I think in my own mind with
there's also this madness

545
00:26:01,934 --> 00:26:03,435
that I don't want
to compete anymore.

546
00:26:03,435 --> 00:26:08,775
I almost like a push away
from competing in some regard.

547
00:26:06,855 --> 00:26:11,861
I don't know what that is.
So for instance, CrossFit

548
00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:14,655
Open is again steely
and in my mind like

549
00:26:12,278 --> 00:26:16,991
a cool I'm feeling fitter.
It'd be fun to partake in it.

550
00:26:16,991 --> 00:26:21,371
And part of me is going
not only do it, I don't do it.

551
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:27,210
And you know, it's crazy man.
This I think I don't know,

552
00:26:23,914 --> 00:26:30,462
not I think 80%
and 80% of the reason

553
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:31,839
I don't want to do it
if I'm like, Man,

554
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,092
that's five days
that takes me away

555
00:26:32,673 --> 00:26:35,259
from my normal training.
Yeah, I don't want to.

556
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:36,428
I don't want to.
I don't want to take away. Yeah.

557
00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:39,722
So I don't I don't know
if it's an obsession

558
00:26:37,511 --> 00:26:41,223
to the structure, but it can't
be really structure.

559
00:26:41,223 --> 00:26:44,144
So you know, one of these
things as well

560
00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:45,144
that I wanted to just.
Just before you get onto that.

561
00:26:45,144 --> 00:26:47,689
So what you might
just someone at home

562
00:26:47,689 --> 00:26:49,566
might be think like well what's
this really passionate.

563
00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:52,318
What what is actually
obsession about that?

564
00:26:52,318 --> 00:26:54,945
And I think it gets back to that
irrationality type thing.

565
00:26:54,945 --> 00:26:56,780
And you said something which
stood out to me, which was

566
00:26:58,365 --> 00:27:00,160
I want to do
it so I can sweat it out.

567
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,914
Now, I know you're pretty logical
when it comes to health,

568
00:27:01,952 --> 00:27:08,917
and if you heard a lot of
the things that they say

569
00:27:05,914 --> 00:27:10,586
in yoga, such as like
sweating out the toxins,

570
00:27:10,586 --> 00:27:14,382
I know things in your brain
would be like on budget

571
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:15,634
bullshit like that. So.
But all of a sudden in.

572
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,178
Yeah, yeah, but by training.
But then once you know,

573
00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:19,929
just that little hint
there, I could say

574
00:27:19,929 --> 00:27:22,057
I can definitely say where
you would have thought,

575
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:25,184
if I sweat harder,
this will make me healthier. Yes.

576
00:27:25,184 --> 00:27:29,021
With no scientific basis to that.
There's no and you know that.

577
00:27:29,021 --> 00:27:30,940
But you'll still think
and do it anyway.

578
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:34,568
So I think that's
that kind of like boundary point

579
00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:35,653
and going to obsessions,
which is why

580
00:27:35,653 --> 00:27:38,823
if you look at things
that we might be interested at,

581
00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:42,035
you know, food,
I'm interested in food,

582
00:27:39,865 --> 00:27:45,997
but I'm not obsessed with food
and I have like

583
00:27:43,827 --> 00:27:48,875
a little list here
of other things where

584
00:27:45,997 --> 00:27:50,085
it was technology as well.
You might think like, you know,

585
00:27:50,085 --> 00:27:54,756
we're super into Bitcoin
or we're super into the latest,

586
00:27:53,587 --> 00:27:56,383
greatest technology.
Someone said that about me

587
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:59,885
and I'm like, I'm really not.
I'm I'm, I'm

588
00:27:57,133 --> 00:28:02,888
intrigued by them, but
I don't make irrational

589
00:27:59,885 --> 00:28:04,723
decisions based on them.
Value for value.

590
00:28:04,723 --> 00:28:09,144
Some ideas capture me that
that one captured me and I'd say

591
00:28:07,184 --> 00:28:12,856
I've made some. Yeah. Decisions
where I'd be like, yeah, that was

592
00:28:12,856 --> 00:28:15,276
that was kind of maybe not
the greatest idea.

593
00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:18,278
Maybe you probably
shouldn't have done that,

594
00:28:19,571 --> 00:28:22,366
but but it would still nothing.
It would still happen.

595
00:28:22,366 --> 00:28:25,327
Captivated me as much as
I fit in this house, I guess.

596
00:28:25,327 --> 00:28:29,915
Also taking a leaf out of it.
Maybe to in style.

597
00:28:29,915 --> 00:28:33,001
I started to peel back
in a few social media platforms.

598
00:28:33,001 --> 00:28:35,046
Now that I'm getting rid of them
from my friend for sure.

599
00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:38,258
But TikTok, I just deleted it
about a month ago,

600
00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:40,844
but I still haven't
even wanted to get it back

601
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:41,594
because it's going back.
But I just

602
00:28:41,594 --> 00:28:45,848
it was purely like a waste
of time type of deal. It was just

603
00:28:45,848 --> 00:28:48,518
and I could rationalise it,
but you know, again,

604
00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:53,565
then I'm like, okay, I've made
a logical choice here and I'm not

605
00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:55,150
getting overruled by the emotion
that I want to like use it

606
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:59,194
and not even a chance.
Would you have said that

607
00:28:56,192 --> 00:29:00,488
you were obsessed with it?
Because I remember

608
00:28:59,194 --> 00:29:02,740
once upon a time
you were saying you would

609
00:29:00,488 --> 00:29:04,075
spend not obsess.
And I think that's

610
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:05,951
a difference with the you know,
the madness behind a mind

611
00:29:05,951 --> 00:29:09,079
is I think that there's certain
aspects that can

612
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:13,334
make you obsessed.
And then there's obviously

613
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:15,170
the aspect in between
that a good around

614
00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:16,546
being obsessed with it.
So and then those are

615
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:19,840
maybe not as great,
but I would have said

616
00:29:18,548 --> 00:29:21,800
this is different.
This was more captured.

617
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,596
I'd say it had captured
my attention someone bit,

618
00:29:25,596 --> 00:29:27,390
not an obsession. And why would
that be different?

619
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,726
Because if I was to wake
up at four in the morning,

620
00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:31,853
that would be the thing
that was like, shit,

621
00:29:31,185 --> 00:29:34,146
I've got to go check. Tick tock.
No way. It's just a hey,

622
00:29:34,146 --> 00:29:37,357
it captured my attention
when there was attention

623
00:29:35,355 --> 00:29:38,108
to be captured,
if I had to put it.

624
00:29:38,108 --> 00:29:40,444
Okay. So was kind of spare
attention. Yeah, it was.

625
00:29:40,444 --> 00:29:41,528
This was like
one of those, you know,

626
00:29:41,528 --> 00:29:44,907
I've got to say, at four
in the morning when I'm like,

627
00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:46,826
you know what? I'm getting
up in the morning

628
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,077
in those 10 seconds,
I don't have attention

629
00:29:46,826 --> 00:29:50,163
to be captured.
Like I just need to

630
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:52,207
be ejected into the day
and get into it.

631
00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:54,584
So nothing's going to
capture me at that point.

632
00:29:54,584 --> 00:29:56,419
It's going to be obsession.
Something else

633
00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:59,756
that gets me going.
Yeah, but you know, it's

634
00:29:56,419 --> 00:30:02,258
4:30 p.m.
on an afternoon where it's

635
00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:04,301
a bit of a lull of work
or lull or whatever I'm doing.

636
00:30:04,301 --> 00:30:08,263
That's when the capturing
can happen. And that was what

637
00:30:06,637 --> 00:30:10,307
happening with Tick Tock.
So for me it's like

638
00:30:08,263 --> 00:30:12,143
I can't get rid of that.
And I've started to see it happen

639
00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:14,144
when like Instagram reels down,
but it's a lot less.

640
00:30:14,144 --> 00:30:16,480
It's way less than what
it used to be in fact,

641
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,777
I think I think on average
maybe my phone usage

642
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:23,529
in terms of screen times
probably decreased

643
00:30:23,529 --> 00:30:26,156
30% over the last
four months, five months

644
00:30:26,156 --> 00:30:29,536
or none of that. So less
less useful for sure. Yeah. Okay.

645
00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:31,913
That's a good point,
because you could have

646
00:30:30,077 --> 00:30:33,580
said, okay,
you're you're obsessed

647
00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:35,916
with those YouTube rabbit holes
and whilst

648
00:30:35,916 --> 00:30:38,920
they were having negative
impacts on my life,

649
00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:43,508
they never interfered
with something. I am obsessed

650
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:44,968
with fitness.
And one instance, sorry.

651
00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:47,053
Like you're not going to,
you're not going to spend

652
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:48,680
your time going on
YouTube rabbit holes

653
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:49,638
and not trying. Yeah, that's
not going to correct.

654
00:30:49,638 --> 00:30:51,766
Yeah, those two
things are incompatible.

655
00:30:51,766 --> 00:30:54,853
That would not have happened
and that would have been

656
00:30:52,892 --> 00:30:57,896
dealt with wiser. You know what?
It was interfering

657
00:30:55,478 --> 00:31:00,148
with those kind of,
you know, things I really enjoy.

658
00:31:00,148 --> 00:31:04,988
But yeah, check out my goals.
I'm probably not going

659
00:31:04,988 --> 00:31:07,865
to get all my Portuguese
done this month.

660
00:31:07,865 --> 00:31:09,909
If I'd been on top of this
or not, I could have.

661
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:13,746
So I'm obviously not
obsessed with Portuguese,

662
00:31:11,451 --> 00:31:15,582
and I'd say that
about the other languages

663
00:31:13,746 --> 00:31:18,125
I've learnt. Yeah. So yeah, it's,
it's kind of when you have those

664
00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:21,336
conflicting,
it was, it was a rational,

665
00:31:22,087 --> 00:31:27,426
it wasn't exactly irrational,
it interfered with things

666
00:31:25,633 --> 00:31:28,678
where it, which I'd rather
it wouldn't have,

667
00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:33,016
but it didn't pass over
into interfering with something

668
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:36,184
that I have to do
where it's, Yeah, I have

669
00:31:33,016 --> 00:31:39,105
to irrationally train
you know, 4 hours

670
00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:41,231
a day, like 3 hours.
Stretching and that's like

671
00:31:39,105 --> 00:31:42,232
not getting it. Yeah.
It's not going to be taken

672
00:31:42,232 --> 00:31:44,861
away by other things and
just simply capturing you. Yeah.

673
00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:46,738
Actually
another thing I would add

674
00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:49,615
that maybe other people at
home do you find is that the

675
00:31:51,366 --> 00:31:55,288
hope leads with the good things,
but when something's

676
00:31:52,492 --> 00:31:58,040
gamified really well,
but it's also kind

677
00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:58,540
of a double whammy in that
there are,

678
00:31:58,540 --> 00:32:02,295
there is good value that I
assess to it or I place on it

679
00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:03,880
that, holy heck,
do I continue to do?

680
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,717
I don't obsess over it.
Case in point,

681
00:32:04,963 --> 00:32:10,720
Julia, as an example,
I think I'm on ST 670

682
00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:11,887
something day.
You better believe I'm

683
00:32:11,887 --> 00:32:15,266
not going to miss a day
like no way. In fact, I remember

684
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:17,059
talking about it with my partner.
We're like,

685
00:32:17,059 --> 00:32:20,605
How do we make sure our
streak doesn't get cut? Well,

686
00:32:18,644 --> 00:32:21,814
she was like in labour.
We were like,

687
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:25,442
and you know, I remember
there was a pot the day after Ban

688
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:28,028
was born and we're like,
give me a fine,

689
00:32:26,443 --> 00:32:29,279
I'll do quickly Duolingo,
so make sure you don't miss out.

690
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,784
It's that level, it's obsessive.
But I think it's

691
00:32:31,365 --> 00:32:35,827
because it's a it's
a gamified slash, double

692
00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:38,455
whammy of value where, hey, yeah,
I see it's good value

693
00:32:38,455 --> 00:32:41,709
to be learning a new language.
Then I'm cool and it's gamified.

694
00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:43,461
It's, you know, it's
triggering me to be like,

695
00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:45,212
Hey, have you done
your thing today?

696
00:32:45,212 --> 00:32:48,340
You should probably do it
at this point and this,

697
00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:51,259
your monthly capture
and all this sort of stuff

698
00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:54,555
that I go, yeah, that,
that captures both captures

699
00:32:52,303 --> 00:32:58,183
me and makes it obsessive.
Why I there hasn't

700
00:32:54,555 --> 00:33:00,519
been a day this year
and it has been now

701
00:32:58,393 --> 00:33:03,397
for a while as well.
Way before I train,

702
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,066
before I train at all,
I have to do a drilling across.

703
00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:09,444
There is no ifs or buts.
It has to be done and more

704
00:33:06,608 --> 00:33:11,029
and more than anything,
it's at least

705
00:33:09,444 --> 00:33:13,615
for the gamified version.
I'm doing it enough

706
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:17,161
so that I'm getting the
the minimum quota of points

707
00:33:14,116 --> 00:33:18,578
and little rewards
and that I'm doing a daily basis.

708
00:33:18,578 --> 00:33:20,330
I get it done
before I go into a class

709
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:24,210
that's like my then reward
of going to go train

710
00:33:22,083 --> 00:33:25,836
when I get that done.
But it's at the point

711
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:27,547
now that it's obsessive
that I wouldn't even think

712
00:33:25,836 --> 00:33:29,132
otherwise of doing that.
That's just

713
00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:31,718
what's going to happen.
But I got to to 70 or 300

714
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:35,137
and something and I was just done
and I just left it and like

715
00:33:35,137 --> 00:33:38,473
did not think twice about it.
I wasn't. I was the next day

716
00:33:36,888 --> 00:33:40,684
I wasn't thinking
like I could get to 306.

717
00:33:40,684 --> 00:33:44,605
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm
not thinking about it in like,

718
00:33:42,894 --> 00:33:47,066
I want to get 700 or 800. No way.
But just keeping it

719
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:48,401
ticking, keep.
Anything that's funny.

720
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:53,823
My proposing it. I want to talk
about the value for value model

721
00:33:51,069 --> 00:33:55,324
that we operate here
at the memorial. So

722
00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:58,243
I'd only have been calling
it out at the beginning.

723
00:33:58,243 --> 00:33:59,953
All I'm going to call out
here in the middle.

724
00:33:59,953 --> 00:34:01,622
We are a Value
for Valley podcast.

725
00:34:01,622 --> 00:34:04,541
Now there's been some
heinous podcast

726
00:34:04,541 --> 00:34:08,463
I've been listening to lately
where at the five second mark

727
00:34:08,463 --> 00:34:13,675
there's an injected ad. And.
Then it goes into

728
00:34:10,422 --> 00:34:14,802
the podcast doing the ads
for a little while

729
00:34:14,802 --> 00:34:18,722
and then another injected
ad before the podcast begins.

730
00:34:18,722 --> 00:34:20,766
I don't like that.
I really don't like that.

731
00:34:20,766 --> 00:34:23,226
Probably not as hateful
as what you would

732
00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:26,230
probably find it,
but I wasn't overjoyed

733
00:34:23,226 --> 00:34:28,815
by such a thing.
The more and more

734
00:34:26,646 --> 00:34:30,025
I see podcasts out there,
I'm looking

735
00:34:28,815 --> 00:34:31,568
at some of the statistics
and whatnot, and it was

736
00:34:31,568 --> 00:34:34,112
really clear to me
that I was like, I don't

737
00:34:34,112 --> 00:34:35,782
the we're talking about
this well, on this call,

738
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:37,115
if you want to see the
full chatter about this.

739
00:34:37,115 --> 00:34:39,744
But I went, I don't want to get
involved in the game

740
00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:42,996
of I'm doing things
to increase the

741
00:34:43,289 --> 00:34:47,501
the totality of people
who are watching as so that

742
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,668
it increases the numbers
so that we may sell out

743
00:34:48,668 --> 00:34:51,422
to a particular revenue
model or an ad model.

744
00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:53,757
However, maybe I just don't
see the value in that.

745
00:34:53,757 --> 00:34:57,135
What I do see the value in
is genuinely asking

746
00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:58,929
people around me or
who are listening to us on

747
00:34:58,929 --> 00:35:02,349
what do you find valuable?
Can we do more of that?

748
00:35:02,349 --> 00:35:06,144
It it would hopefully
align with what we are

749
00:35:04,184 --> 00:35:07,146
also finding of value.
And by extra value

750
00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:10,733
I mean do you like more video,
less video, more high quality,

751
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:13,235
different type of people
who have conversations,

752
00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:15,070
all that sort of stuff.
So that then we provide value

753
00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:18,157
and you can hopefully provide it
back in the model that we're

754
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:20,659
trying to operate in,
which is a value for value model

755
00:35:20,659 --> 00:35:22,911
where you can send us
your butcher games

756
00:35:22,911 --> 00:35:27,166
as a totally with,
you know, a message type message

757
00:35:25,373 --> 00:35:29,460
with the title attached.
But we might explain that

758
00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:31,670
into other forms,
all the ways that you can

759
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:32,922
value us, right?
That you can help us

760
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:35,215
and support us. So you know,
maybe we'll touch on it

761
00:35:35,215 --> 00:35:37,510
just a little bit
at the end as well around

762
00:35:35,757 --> 00:35:39,219
maybe some of that.
We still have to kind of

763
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:42,222
discuss it through.
But as you'll see

764
00:35:39,219 --> 00:35:43,181
in this press conference,
we're going to be

765
00:35:42,347 --> 00:35:44,559
reading out people
who've been sending

766
00:35:43,181 --> 00:35:46,726
through boostagrams and
who've been supporting the show

767
00:35:46,726 --> 00:35:50,021
with a certain amount of that
to such as well as people

768
00:35:47,811 --> 00:35:51,523
who we don't call out
but have been sending

769
00:35:50,021 --> 00:35:53,985
through some photo
sheets and streaming

770
00:35:51,523 --> 00:35:56,195
format as well. Yeah.
So just before

771
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:58,614
you get into that, when
I was listening to some

772
00:35:56,195 --> 00:36:00,032
Chris Williamson recently
and you mentioned him

773
00:35:58,614 --> 00:36:03,952
just before,
so he has a podcast called

774
00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:05,246
Modern Wisdom and it's,
I guess you'd say,

775
00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:07,414
famous now, like he's
definitely made

776
00:36:07,414 --> 00:36:13,713
a very popular podcast. Yeah.
Number 17, what number seven,

777
00:36:10,626 --> 00:36:19,217
depending on the rankings.
So yeah, very popular. And he had

778
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:21,846
this guy on Alex Olmos
and he's kind of got

779
00:36:19,217 --> 00:36:22,972
like a bro broken track
with this dude going on.

780
00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:25,849
They trying to the gym together.
There's a big old one hour

781
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:29,978
video of them training together.
And I remember him

782
00:36:27,726 --> 00:36:31,563
talking about like
how much it deeply cares

783
00:36:31,563 --> 00:36:33,940
about creating the best
quality product he can.

784
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:37,320
And this is
what one was alluding to before

785
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:40,322
about the videography.
And, you know, he tries to

786
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,407
make his set up perfect.
And you can see

787
00:36:41,407 --> 00:36:44,202
he puts a lot of effort
into creating something

788
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:47,704
that is visually very nice.
And the audio,

789
00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:50,291
I imagine, sounds good.
I haven't really

790
00:36:47,704 --> 00:36:53,585
analysed it that hard.
And as he was talking

791
00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:56,213
about that with this dude,
about 25 minutes in he goes

792
00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:59,175
and now just before and then
he turns the camera

793
00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:01,177
and then he starts
talking about a host read

794
00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:02,762
sponsorship
or an ad or something.

795
00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:05,764
Yep. And I just.
Was that about the drink?

796
00:37:05,764 --> 00:37:08,226
I don't know what it was, Becca.
All I know is, like,

797
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,396
he completely broke
the flow of the conversation

798
00:37:11,144 --> 00:37:17,860
he was having. I just didn't get.
I couldn't comprehend

799
00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:22,907
how he could honestly say he's
creating the best product

800
00:37:19,027 --> 00:37:23,532
he can whilst having that
thing in there.

801
00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:27,577
And if I, you know,
asked him point blank

802
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:31,206
to his face, cut that out.
You put this together,

803
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:32,708
is it a better product
without the ad in it?

804
00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:38,255
And I, I can only hope
he says yes. I don't believe he's

805
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:41,675
delusional enough to think
that him talking

806
00:37:38,255 --> 00:37:45,304
or trying to promote something is
is like content in itself.

807
00:37:45,637 --> 00:37:49,057
And that's where I think value
for value is different because

808
00:37:49,057 --> 00:37:52,228
what one's about to read
out is actual messages

809
00:37:52,228 --> 00:37:56,398
that we would want
to be displayed. In any case,

810
00:37:56,398 --> 00:38:00,402
you know, it's going
within the actual content

811
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,195
of our podcast, but these are
the sort of things

812
00:38:02,195 --> 00:38:05,740
I'd want to put up on a page.
You know, how

813
00:38:04,072 --> 00:38:06,617
you get kind of review.
People do this all the time.

814
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:09,119
They get reviews on Apple
and then they'll put it

815
00:38:07,702 --> 00:38:11,831
on the bottom of their house page
or whatever. You know,

816
00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:14,583
this person said this about me
and this person said this,

817
00:38:12,956 --> 00:38:16,210
and it's a way
of highlighting them

818
00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:19,880
and thanking them. And then also
it is content for the show.

819
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,882
So, yeah, it's
just one difference.

820
00:38:21,882 --> 00:38:27,637
You know, I'm
not hating on him for his success

821
00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:28,556
for even doing that.
I understand.

822
00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:31,266
Like it must cost a shit
ton with all the cameras

823
00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:33,184
and all the people
he must hire to do that.

824
00:38:33,184 --> 00:38:37,273
And if he needs to do it
through that way, you know,

825
00:38:35,353 --> 00:38:38,523
I can understand that.
I can also understand

826
00:38:38,523 --> 00:38:41,527
you might not be able
to create a Titanic movie

827
00:38:41,902 --> 00:38:46,282
through some sort of value
value system. Sometimes

828
00:38:43,903 --> 00:38:48,199
you just got to have
other other ways of doing it.

829
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:51,161
But for us, I think
this is the best way

830
00:38:51,161 --> 00:38:53,998
of making the show and being able
to sustain us long term.

831
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:57,668
So no, I agree. That's that's
a large portion of what

832
00:38:57,668 --> 00:39:01,463
my mind goes through when I
when I talk about value

833
00:38:58,918 --> 00:39:03,132
for value now. Very well put.
Thank you. So let's begin

834
00:39:04,215 --> 00:39:07,219
Dave Jones, dependable weekly
brief with me Immortalised

835
00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:11,681
nation 12,000 112,000
using crunch while Dave

836
00:39:11,766 --> 00:39:14,768
thank you very much
once again he keeps coming

837
00:39:14,976 --> 00:39:20,483
we go on from the balderdash boys
now I didn't find him

838
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,525
very winsome.
You know what that word

839
00:39:20,565 --> 00:39:24,487
meant I had to look it up.
Very winsome.

840
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:28,657
No, I'll bring it up.
I'll bring it up. I did find it

841
00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:31,534
very winsome. I don't.
I could guess, but not

842
00:39:29,032 --> 00:39:35,206
content to check us out.
Yeah, it's. Yeah, you go. Yeah,

843
00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:36,373
but I thought Trevor Bell brought
some really great points

844
00:39:36,373 --> 00:39:39,043
considering value for value.
I like the back and forth

845
00:39:37,625 --> 00:39:41,170
conversation about the nations
and what is value in something

846
00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,380
that I've been recently thinking
about too on our podcast.

847
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,965
Thank you again, Khan,
for another

848
00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:49,677
interesting conversation.
And that's 30,000

849
00:39:45,965 --> 00:39:52,806
SATs using phone terms.
And I didn't

850
00:39:50,887 --> 00:39:54,016
find it very winsome.
Yeah, so attractive

851
00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:57,186
or appealing in a fresh
way is what winsome means.

852
00:39:57,186 --> 00:39:59,980
In a fresh way.
They have never heard.

853
00:39:58,061 --> 00:40:01,856
That interesting word.
Thank you there, Mr. Ball.

854
00:40:01,856 --> 00:40:06,152
I believe that, sir, was
and that, I believe,

855
00:40:04,735 --> 00:40:09,072
tipped them over
if they weren't already

856
00:40:06,152 --> 00:40:11,784
tipped over into the
the shirt, the glory

857
00:40:09,072 --> 00:40:13,244
of getting a shirt. Yeah.
So I've got his details.

858
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:15,496
He's a large thankfully
we still have some lodges.

859
00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:18,416
All right. Yeah. I'm, I'm
honestly thinking,

860
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:24,880
like with all the mediums,
I might have to, like,

861
00:40:22,335 --> 00:40:27,257
claim them for myself
or batch order

862
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,092
a bunch of new shirts
with lots of extra lodges,

863
00:40:29,092 --> 00:40:32,804
extra extra lodges, a lot of us.
And got a lot of those guy.

864
00:40:32,804 --> 00:40:36,559
Yeah. No, they are bad.
Call on my part

865
00:40:34,306 --> 00:40:38,143
for thinking that those
people who dress

866
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,061
and meet medium out there.
What are you doing people

867
00:40:38,143 --> 00:40:41,730
you better will be well I think
very disappoint.

868
00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:45,150
There's a bit of like an
oversized shirt thing

869
00:40:42,981 --> 00:40:46,860
going along at the. Moment.
Yeah, it could be like

870
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:49,362
population.
I'm seeing that a lot more

871
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:52,532
where everyone seems
to be wearing the next

872
00:40:49,362 --> 00:40:54,492
big size of a heavy T or the long
T, a little bit of that. Yeah.

873
00:40:54,492 --> 00:40:57,496
So, so in any case,
if you're wondering like,

874
00:40:57,746 --> 00:41:00,875
I don't want to shut, I,
I don't want to contribute

875
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:03,043
because I don't have
a shirt in my size.

876
00:41:03,043 --> 00:41:06,088
If, if you contribute
and you get to the shirt range

877
00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:09,757
and you're not a medium or large,
there will be a shirt.

878
00:41:09,757 --> 00:41:11,092
There will be a. Shelf,
create the shirt.

879
00:41:11,092 --> 00:41:13,887
Crucial. Absolutely.
Yeah. Don't be don't

880
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:15,681
don't worry about that.
But thank you very much.

881
00:41:15,681 --> 00:41:17,932
Well, that's boys.
Yeah. Yep. Very much.

882
00:41:17,932 --> 00:41:19,851
Very much appreciate.
They've got a great beer.

883
00:41:19,851 --> 00:41:23,606
Bourbon and balderdash.
Is that what I. It's becoming

884
00:41:22,103 --> 00:41:27,318
one of my favourites.
The top six, which means

885
00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:31,572
it's probably number six them.
But the top six out of ten.

886
00:41:31,572 --> 00:41:34,449
And finally, we've got Macintosh.
Good conversation.

887
00:41:34,449 --> 00:41:36,702
Smiley face and no smiley
face. Laughing face.

888
00:41:36,702 --> 00:41:38,661
Nothing face.
Nice. Not 5000 sets.

889
00:41:38,661 --> 00:41:41,081
Then you see.
Yeah, I'm assuming that's

890
00:41:39,329 --> 00:41:42,458
what Trump Bell.
Yeah, yeah, I know.

891
00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:44,585
Dave And we're also
checking it out as well.

892
00:41:44,585 --> 00:41:47,588
So thank you everyone
for streaming in as well.

893
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:50,798
For those at home,
we don't call you out

894
00:41:48,505 --> 00:41:52,342
because it's just
it's very hard to try

895
00:41:50,798 --> 00:41:54,385
and find all that data. But yeah,
we do see your streams.

896
00:41:54,385 --> 00:41:59,224
I certainly see those
streams coming in and one thing

897
00:41:57,889 --> 00:42:00,434
I would recommend
if you're listening in

898
00:42:00,434 --> 00:42:04,146
and you want to support in
this kind of passive way,

899
00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:07,148
I'd recommend doing
at least ten sets per,

900
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,777
per minute, because
some of the podcast

901
00:42:10,777 --> 00:42:14,989
apps like Podcaster
and I know others do this

902
00:42:12,278 --> 00:42:16,574
batch payments
and they'll batch it

903
00:42:14,989 --> 00:42:17,492
for 10 minutes.
So if you do ten sites

904
00:42:17,492 --> 00:42:19,411
per minute, that'll be 100 sets.
And then that way

905
00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,498
it can get to be divided up
evenly enough splits

906
00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:24,666
because we do have some
people with 1% splits.

907
00:42:24,666 --> 00:42:29,963
So they would get
at least. At least one. Whereas

908
00:42:27,585 --> 00:42:31,715
if you're doing like five,
that won't get any. So

909
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:33,509
I would just love the way
the math works out.

910
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:38,389
So and I was listening
to a V for the roundtable

911
00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:41,976
with some musicians and,
you know, musicians are kind of

912
00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:44,978
getting into podcasting,
but they're like

913
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:46,563
three years behind
where we're at.

914
00:42:46,563 --> 00:42:50,275
So they're having some
like really basic

915
00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:52,695
questions of like,
what's lightning, you know,

916
00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:54,445
How's that different
from Bitcoin on an off

917
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,364
chain, right? What's the best
lightning wallet?

918
00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:58,074
How can I do this?
So just for those at home,

919
00:42:58,074 --> 00:43:00,452
if you're wondering like I'd love
to send a boostagram

920
00:43:00,452 --> 00:43:02,829
and I'd love to get my message
read out in the show,

921
00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:05,708
probably the best way to do that.
The easiest way

922
00:43:03,956 --> 00:43:10,588
I can recommend as a listener
is go to Fountain, Fountain Dot

923
00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:12,338
FM, download that app
as you're listening,

924
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:13,840
you'll just get
you'll earn some satoshis

925
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,425
and then just
send them through to us

926
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:19,722
by hitting the boost button.
That's probably the easiest way

927
00:43:19,722 --> 00:43:21,599
of just getting into that.
To gets you connected.

928
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:23,266
And then from there
you can play around with

929
00:43:23,266 --> 00:43:25,811
like setting a wallet,
putting in some into it,

930
00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:27,521
being able to send it,
all that sort of stuff.

931
00:43:27,521 --> 00:43:29,315
Yeah, it's,
it's, it's getting better.

932
00:43:29,315 --> 00:43:31,275
It's getting easier,
but it'll still probably

933
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:34,235
take years until it's
nice and smooth.

934
00:43:34,235 --> 00:43:37,447
Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
I've got a last point here

935
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:38,239
that I'll try to talk to
and we'll go through a

936
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,657
couple of the other points
that you have as well.

937
00:43:39,657 --> 00:43:42,994
But I wanted to. Just.
Throw this coin out here

938
00:43:42,994 --> 00:43:44,371
and I want to get
your thought on it

939
00:43:44,371 --> 00:43:48,626
because I heard it recently
and I totally agree with this

940
00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,918
and this is
some of the obsession is

941
00:43:50,918 --> 00:43:54,422
madness in my mind.
So I can talk to it,

942
00:43:52,420 --> 00:44:00,094
but I want it to get
your impression. Guys, there's a

943
00:43:55,632 --> 00:44:04,016
time to leverage insanity,
but it's definitely

944
00:44:01,304 --> 00:44:08,019
a time for violence. Okay? Okay.
A brute force mindset.

945
00:44:08,019 --> 00:44:12,815
And to me, I go, Fuck you.
Yeah, I totally agree.

946
00:44:12,815 --> 00:44:16,987
And it sounds maybe extreme,
but I think it's the right

947
00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:19,364
level of extreme, much
more extreme than that.

948
00:44:19,364 --> 00:44:21,992
In the minds
and perspective. I go,

949
00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:22,784
I don't know what
that would mean,

950
00:44:22,784 --> 00:44:26,664
but maybe too much.
But that hits almost

951
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:30,333
on the head for me, where
leverage in the sanity of

952
00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:31,918
the example
that they were giving me

953
00:44:31,918 --> 00:44:36,757
was with Chris Williamson
and Alex Homan. Easy that we're

954
00:44:33,753 --> 00:44:39,092
talking about this way.
Not every single morning

955
00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:41,469
you're going to be able
to buy a hack your body

956
00:44:39,092 --> 00:44:43,179
into your cold plunge
and go through the seven

957
00:44:43,179 --> 00:44:45,306
step ritual
that you have to whatever.

958
00:44:45,306 --> 00:44:48,643
150 pills. Sometimes
you've got to be violent

959
00:44:48,643 --> 00:44:51,688
and you have to be like,
Fuck it, I'm getting up,

960
00:44:51,688 --> 00:44:54,983
putting my shoes on, and I'm
just like sprinting out

961
00:44:53,065 --> 00:44:56,943
the door. I give a shit
what I'm feeling,

962
00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:58,237
what the sleep is.
Fuck it, you doing it.

963
00:44:58,237 --> 00:45:01,572
Same thing applies for
maybe from a workplace

964
00:45:01,572 --> 00:45:03,701
affective or something
that you need to get done.

965
00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:07,913
Tomtom's is one of the that that
hard, brutal mentality of

966
00:45:09,331 --> 00:45:13,210
you haven't slept or everything's
full and chaos,

967
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:16,295
but you need to be brutal
and violent if you're

968
00:45:14,293 --> 00:45:18,548
going to get X done.
And what I mean

969
00:45:16,295 --> 00:45:21,760
by violent is you're
you're violent to like

970
00:45:18,548 --> 00:45:25,054
a normal, sane routine.
It might be a case

971
00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:28,057
of how you need to get,
I don't know, a off

972
00:45:25,054 --> 00:45:31,394
from work out by Saturday midday
and it's Friday 6 p.m.

973
00:45:31,394 --> 00:45:35,106
and you have a lot of work
still to do and you go fuck it

974
00:45:35,106 --> 00:45:39,820
like fuck sleep and routine for
the next couple of days

975
00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:41,612
here and there.
It's going to be a case of

976
00:45:41,612 --> 00:45:45,534
I'm just going to go
absolutely not. Nice sleep, work

977
00:45:43,657 --> 00:45:48,036
straight through the night
all the way till midnight,

978
00:45:45,534 --> 00:45:50,873
won't even eat.
I'll just smash down

979
00:45:48,036 --> 00:45:53,125
some alcohol.
Just keep you going in.

980
00:45:50,873 --> 00:45:57,420
That advised. I'll do. It.
Violence at very brutal mindset.

981
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:59,715
And I wouldn't say
this is an always mindset,

982
00:45:59,715 --> 00:46:05,262
but there is sometimes
when that mindset I go, yes,

983
00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:08,264
you need that over
sanity and leverage

984
00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:10,349
of all the time.
Thoughts on that?

985
00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:12,811
Not a fan. Not a fan.
I would you be. Why?

986
00:46:12,811 --> 00:46:15,481
I think we've had
we've had a similar

987
00:46:13,478 --> 00:46:18,900
discussion to this before.
And my my reasoning

988
00:46:15,481 --> 00:46:22,028
against this is
I think you haven't

989
00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:25,865
planned properly. That's, that's
what it comes down to. I get life

990
00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:28,744
truck shit at you.
I was telling Mom today

991
00:46:28,744 --> 00:46:31,746
I had some shit
chucked at me with that.

992
00:46:31,954 --> 00:46:34,041
Well, but it didn't
chuck it at me.

993
00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,210
But, but as my brother's
puppy shot all over his cage

994
00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:40,213
and I was having to deal with it
like a very

995
00:46:38,461 --> 00:46:45,510
angry mom at the same time
that that situation didn't

996
00:46:42,257 --> 00:46:48,554
require vile violence.
And and I think those

997
00:46:48,554 --> 00:46:53,559
things that you're
talking about there, I feel that

998
00:46:51,099 --> 00:46:56,063
just poor planning,
just poor, poor planning,

999
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:58,690
like if you if you've gotten
to that stage where

1000
00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:02,027
because what it comes to for me
when I think of that is

1001
00:47:02,027 --> 00:47:06,280
you don't have a moment to spare.
You don't have time

1002
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,286
to become rational
and considered. You just have to

1003
00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:15,998
fucking do the thing.
Yeah. I'm not a fan.

1004
00:47:15,998 --> 00:47:20,295
Not a fan of it.
Yeah, I wouldn't and I would.

1005
00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:25,175
I would have to say point blank
if given the choice,

1006
00:47:23,257 --> 00:47:27,010
what I want it
to be like that versus

1007
00:47:27,010 --> 00:47:31,181
sane, rational leverage,
whatever. No, I preferred

1008
00:47:29,804 --> 00:47:33,891
to be like that because yeah,
there's more control that you can

1009
00:47:32,431 --> 00:47:36,644
go on documentary wise, but there
are times in life

1010
00:47:36,644 --> 00:47:41,023
that that isn't an option.
Or as you say,

1011
00:47:41,023 --> 00:47:44,360
you can better plan
some things, but there are

1012
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:50,157
occurrences in
either life or what

1013
00:47:47,114 --> 00:47:53,119
you have to do to beat
someone else or accomplish

1014
00:47:50,157 --> 00:47:54,788
more than someone else
that will dictate

1015
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,498
that you need to do that.
Now, I'm not saying you have to.

1016
00:47:56,498 --> 00:48:00,001
Again, we don't operate
really in the space

1017
00:47:57,833 --> 00:48:01,003
of submitting tenders, but that's
just not what we do.

1018
00:48:01,003 --> 00:48:04,715
And I don't do that.
My workplace really. I don't even

1019
00:48:03,838 --> 00:48:06,340
know what it means.
So when you're submitting

1020
00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:07,842
a tender, you're
submitting a proposal

1021
00:48:07,842 --> 00:48:10,846
to win a particular piece
of work. Okay, cool.

1022
00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:14,516
Now, if it gets, you know,
an amendment happens

1023
00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:17,143
to that on a Friday
and it's you on Saturday,

1024
00:48:17,143 --> 00:48:19,146
you better believe this.
Probably most people

1025
00:48:17,811 --> 00:48:20,521
who get to work straight
through the weekend and get it

1026
00:48:20,521 --> 00:48:22,148
just right and they've got
to be used to it.

1027
00:48:22,148 --> 00:48:27,278
Now, you could say, okay, resign.
Maybe you could leverage and try

1028
00:48:27,278 --> 00:48:28,447
and get other people
to work for you.

1029
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:30,364
But it's short in time.
You might want to do it.

1030
00:48:30,364 --> 00:48:33,577
You don't want to prioritise it.
There's so much

1031
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,619
more planning you can do.
You probably will lose out.

1032
00:48:34,619 --> 00:48:37,456
That's it. You're
going to lose it now? Yeah.

1033
00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:41,793
I think there's a balance of Hey,
if you so choose would be

1034
00:48:39,791 --> 00:48:44,378
okay, well, I'm going to do that
because it's now at a late stage

1035
00:48:44,378 --> 00:48:48,257
and the deprioritized
stuff that I don't want

1036
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:49,927
to be prioritise fine.
Like I get it.

1037
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:54,972
But I think my I slide
more towards the or.

1038
00:48:54,972 --> 00:48:56,849
There's a level
of a brutal mindset.

1039
00:48:56,849 --> 00:48:58,434
I'd be like, yeah,
that's I'm okay with that.

1040
00:48:58,434 --> 00:49:01,688
I'm okay with doing this.
Not always, but sometimes.

1041
00:49:01,688 --> 00:49:04,815
Sometimes I'll be like,
Yeah, even to the point of

1042
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:08,527
truth be told,
if like at the moment

1043
00:49:08,527 --> 00:49:12,490
I'm, I'm trying to average
between like 10 to 50 kilometres

1044
00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:16,077
from public B for whatever
reason can run between Monday

1045
00:49:14,576 --> 00:49:18,496
and Thursday because whatever
I was away somewhere

1046
00:49:18,496 --> 00:49:21,123
or is couldn't
get to it because of life.

1047
00:49:21,123 --> 00:49:24,126
I wouldn't say
it would be poor planning because

1048
00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:26,295
it's prioritisation. But you
better believe that

1049
00:49:26,295 --> 00:49:30,342
there might be a more targeted
view of how I can do

1050
00:49:30,342 --> 00:49:32,719
15 kilometres on Friday.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to do

1051
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,137
just to make this up.
Like this is what's going

1052
00:49:33,469 --> 00:49:38,432
to happen no matter what.
So there's that mentality

1053
00:49:36,306 --> 00:49:41,228
of getting that done
versus I'll be seeing

1054
00:49:38,432 --> 00:49:43,521
this last couple of weeks.
Wait, what? One of my training

1055
00:49:43,521 --> 00:49:45,731
sessions is an hour
and 40 minutes in an interview

1056
00:49:45,731 --> 00:49:48,193
and I don't get to do
the rowing aspect.

1057
00:49:48,193 --> 00:49:52,114
I might take 20 minutes.
I just got out, couldn't

1058
00:49:49,152 --> 00:49:54,157
get it done today.
I've got other things to do to

1059
00:49:54,157 --> 00:49:56,659
add it onto tomorrow
and I'm going to

1060
00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:57,411
give it up earlier.
I'm going to make sure that I'm

1061
00:49:57,411 --> 00:50:00,163
going to get it in place.
So yeah,

1062
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,623
there's just an alignment
to that mentality.

1063
00:50:01,623 --> 00:50:05,043
I got something about it
seductive. To me, it's seductive.

1064
00:50:05,043 --> 00:50:07,586
Yeah. Look, there's just
a fundamental disagreement

1065
00:50:05,876 --> 00:50:10,673
we have. If you go back
to that episode where

1066
00:50:09,047 --> 00:50:13,217
we were talking about how someone
would become like

1067
00:50:13,217 --> 00:50:18,097
the goat or the best
athlete of all time, you, it's

1068
00:50:16,096 --> 00:50:20,016
the same sort of thing. You know,
you would be saying

1069
00:50:20,016 --> 00:50:22,351
they got to push harder
to the point where they're

1070
00:50:20,934 --> 00:50:23,644
breaking things.
And I'm and I'm much more

1071
00:50:23,644 --> 00:50:25,731
an advocate of the slow,
steady approach.

1072
00:50:25,731 --> 00:50:30,360
So you know that that's just a
fundamental disagreement

1073
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:31,987
I think we have, which has
been touched upon that it's true.

1074
00:50:31,987 --> 00:50:36,324
Okay. So these obsessions. Right.
So we've we've acknowledged,

1075
00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:39,286
okay, we've got these things
which we've were fixated

1076
00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:41,704
on, We perhaps sometimes
do some irrational things

1077
00:50:41,704 --> 00:50:45,333
that perhaps they require
some violence, perhaps they don't

1078
00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:48,586
where where do these come from?
Where if you

1079
00:50:46,668 --> 00:50:50,297
if you had to point your
obsession with fitness,

1080
00:50:48,586 --> 00:50:54,760
where does that come from? So and
is now starting to tell it

1081
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,639
back to the start of the podcast?
I think it has to come with. The.

1082
00:51:00,306 --> 00:51:04,978
Stories, the ideas, the people,
the consumption

1083
00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:07,146
of information that I had
when I was younger,

1084
00:51:07,146 --> 00:51:09,983
and it would have been,
you know, meld

1085
00:51:09,983 --> 00:51:13,987
a combination of Dragon
Ball Z body build

1086
00:51:13,987 --> 00:51:20,534
is looking at, you know,
fitness cartoons

1087
00:51:17,532 --> 00:51:22,788
or the like, where kind of
puts the idea that

1088
00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,331
strength in that shape
is a good thing.

1089
00:51:25,331 --> 00:51:31,045
Something of a blend to that
within a continuation of

1090
00:51:27,083 --> 00:51:33,297
I now continue to consume
information and podcasts

1091
00:51:31,253 --> 00:51:36,717
and everything else which allowed
longevity, body

1092
00:51:36,717 --> 00:51:40,679
function, body fitness,
mobility, whatever.

1093
00:51:41,097 --> 00:51:43,724
And so all of that
amalgamated to more

1094
00:51:43,724 --> 00:51:45,309
and more and more and more
and more of

1095
00:51:45,309 --> 00:51:50,106
yeah, more obsessed with
particular areas and my venture

1096
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,981
into one or another.
But it's always

1097
00:51:50,981 --> 00:51:53,318
all under the banner of
I guess, fitness.

1098
00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:55,570
And so it just has
cemented it more and more.

1099
00:51:55,570 --> 00:52:01,992
But I would say it's
definitely the stories and the,

1100
00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:04,996
I guess, content that I can see
and probably when I was younger,

1101
00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:07,581
that has just cemented
itself as, yeah, that's,

1102
00:52:07,581 --> 00:52:12,420
that's a thing to do. That's like
that's a cool thing. That's the

1103
00:52:09,501 --> 00:52:14,713
the right thing to do.
Very soon with me,

1104
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:19,094
the obsessions I listed
before fitness, some ideas

1105
00:52:14,713 --> 00:52:21,972
and things like that,
that they're not,

1106
00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:24,974
they're not intentional
on my choosing there were

1107
00:52:25,684 --> 00:52:31,398
people said some things
I got lucky and saw some things

1108
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:34,400
witnessed in
front of me like that

1109
00:52:31,398 --> 00:52:38,112
blew me away. Genetically,
I'm more predisposed to certain

1110
00:52:36,193 --> 00:52:39,614
types of activities and I
find some of them easier

1111
00:52:39,614 --> 00:52:42,284
so therefore I can get better.
I don't get into

1112
00:52:40,657 --> 00:52:45,286
the feedback loop. You know,
my dad raised me a certain way

1113
00:52:45,286 --> 00:52:47,289
as my mom raised me certain ways,
all those sorts of things.

1114
00:52:47,289 --> 00:52:49,331
And I just go
like conglomeration, all of them.

1115
00:52:49,331 --> 00:52:52,168
Like I can't pick
a particular reason of why

1116
00:52:52,168 --> 00:52:57,757
I want to do one. I'm handstands.
It's why I'm so fixated

1117
00:52:54,086 --> 00:53:01,135
on getting really good at that.
Which then begs the question,

1118
00:53:01,135 --> 00:53:05,681
is it possible to choose
intentionally something

1119
00:53:03,762 --> 00:53:07,809
to become obsessed about?
Can you become a frother?

1120
00:53:07,809 --> 00:53:11,438
And for those who don't know
what a proper

1121
00:53:08,684 --> 00:53:12,606
is, Frother is someone.
I wrote the little description.

1122
00:53:12,606 --> 00:53:17,568
Yeah, it's someone who derives
pleasure from all

1123
00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:19,905
the minute stupid crap.
So that's that's the

1124
00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:21,655
the kind of, I would say,
almost irrational thing

1125
00:53:21,655 --> 00:53:23,742
where you're fixated on
these tiny little things

1126
00:53:23,742 --> 00:53:25,994
that no one else would
give a shit about but you.

1127
00:53:25,994 --> 00:53:28,663
I love it. Yeah. Ten, Ten.
You intentionally do. That?

1128
00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:31,666
I think you can think you can.
How does one go about that?

1129
00:53:31,666 --> 00:53:35,211
Would you say and do know anyone?
Any examples of.

1130
00:53:35,211 --> 00:53:39,132
This to become a frother?
Honestly, I would say that

1131
00:53:39,132 --> 00:53:44,637
most people at the very least
go beyond to some degree,

1132
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:46,431
not all of them for sure,
because there's a lot

1133
00:53:46,431 --> 00:53:49,434
of just funding and money
that pisses people about.

1134
00:53:49,434 --> 00:53:52,771
But I'd say that would be
a large majority that would froth

1135
00:53:52,771 --> 00:53:54,648
the particular inclination
that they're looking at

1136
00:53:54,648 --> 00:53:57,525
and the continuation
of this discovery. Why suck?

1137
00:53:57,525 --> 00:54:01,112
It's just it's time consuming
and takes a lot of energy.

1138
00:54:01,112 --> 00:54:03,822
So I agree to pay either.
So there's a lot of.

1139
00:54:03,822 --> 00:54:06,534
So so in this case you'd
be kind of saying like,

1140
00:54:06,534 --> 00:54:09,454
there's not a lot of choice.
There's not a lot of external

1141
00:54:09,454 --> 00:54:11,414
influences,
there's a lot of internal

1142
00:54:11,414 --> 00:54:14,876
influences to studying something
so acutely for such a long time.

1143
00:54:14,876 --> 00:54:19,088
Yeah, so they've chosen a degree
and they're done biology

1144
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:20,923
or something like, right?
And then that's

1145
00:54:19,088 --> 00:54:23,467
kind of like, okay, well I could,
I could stay here,

1146
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:27,304
I could get a job,
but I could stay here

1147
00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:29,266
and get a Ph.D., but I don't know
what to do my Ph.D. on.

1148
00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:31,016
Okay, I'll,
I'll, I'll pick this thing

1149
00:54:31,016 --> 00:54:33,894
and then they become
obsessed with it. That's

1150
00:54:33,894 --> 00:54:37,481
something that, like, even
even if it is so, a case

1151
00:54:37,481 --> 00:54:40,818
in point of someone can
become frothy at something

1152
00:54:41,568 --> 00:54:45,447
if they have a personality
or an ability to become obsessed

1153
00:54:43,989 --> 00:54:46,115
about something,
they have a choosing.

1154
00:54:46,115 --> 00:54:48,034
I guess that's
what I'm thinking of.

1155
00:54:48,994 --> 00:54:51,538
You know, you might
not even pick the topic

1156
00:54:51,538 --> 00:54:53,623
or whatever topic
you want to pick to this.

1157
00:54:53,623 --> 00:54:55,125
I investigate
for a really long time

1158
00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,585
and put a lot of effort into it.
Someone goes, Hey,

1159
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,420
you know, it's actually
really interesting.

1160
00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:04,175
You know, pink leopards go.
I studied them for three years.

1161
00:55:04,175 --> 00:55:08,972
If you have the type
of inclination or the I guess it

1162
00:55:06,844 --> 00:55:11,641
probably combines
with a discipline

1163
00:55:08,972 --> 00:55:13,268
and all the other concepts
and the maybe skill sets,

1164
00:55:13,268 --> 00:55:16,271
but you might be able
to go to school for three years.

1165
00:55:16,271 --> 00:55:19,148
How many are hot on this?
I'm going to become I'm

1166
00:55:17,438 --> 00:55:21,150
going to feel frothy
like I'm going to know

1167
00:55:19,148 --> 00:55:23,777
everything about it.
And I would say that you become

1168
00:55:23,777 --> 00:55:26,780
really quite highly adept
at a particular topic.

1169
00:55:27,489 --> 00:55:30,492
But underlying
that topic acquisition,

1170
00:55:30,784 --> 00:55:35,081
there's other
key ability or skill

1171
00:55:32,619 --> 00:55:37,125
sets that you possess
which allow you to become

1172
00:55:35,081 --> 00:55:39,251
frothy at something
like very, very directly,

1173
00:55:39,251 --> 00:55:43,505
very much because you want to.
So, you know, if you

1174
00:55:40,461 --> 00:55:44,923
if we have a certain level
of discipline

1175
00:55:43,505 --> 00:55:45,967
for a lot of things,
if someone told us, you know,

1176
00:55:45,967 --> 00:55:48,094
if a really challenges
like hey, could you

1177
00:55:48,094 --> 00:55:51,931
become the pre-eminent
individual the nice things

1178
00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:56,101
about our speak a little bit
something around bouldering

1179
00:55:56,101 --> 00:55:59,396
but not by force no
maybe a little tiny bit.

1180
00:55:59,813 --> 00:56:02,275
But if you if you made it
in such a way,

1181
00:56:02,275 --> 00:56:04,318
the right challenge
in the right incentives,

1182
00:56:04,318 --> 00:56:07,905
we could find the ability
to become really frothy in it.

1183
00:56:07,905 --> 00:56:11,034
That would be an external
driving factor. I think there are

1184
00:56:09,949 --> 00:56:13,036
some people out there
who have that

1185
00:56:11,034 --> 00:56:15,996
as an internal factor. Okay,
you light this out for me. Cool.

1186
00:56:15,996 --> 00:56:19,416
I'm going to become the very,
very best of this

1187
00:56:17,206 --> 00:56:20,835
that I possibly can.
I don't have that quality.

1188
00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:23,338
Yeah, I know.
I don't have that quality

1189
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:25,090
unless I have
another reason externally,

1190
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:28,092
because of the ones
where I I'm obsessed over

1191
00:56:28,092 --> 00:56:31,512
there have emanated from things
I've consumed and it hasn't

1192
00:56:31,512 --> 00:56:33,764
realistically
been a choice of mine,

1193
00:56:33,764 --> 00:56:36,309
but I could see people
who would make a choice and just

1194
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:40,230
go deep into the rabbit hole.
I've talked, I've talked to

1195
00:56:38,018 --> 00:56:43,358
some professors in my time
where it sounded like

1196
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:45,818
they didn't really have
a particular inclination

1197
00:56:43,358 --> 00:56:48,655
to do anything. It was just a
by the time

1198
00:56:47,195 --> 00:56:49,614
I had another professor
and he said, like, Hey,

1199
00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:50,532
you should
probably look into this.

1200
00:56:50,532 --> 00:56:52,951
And not just on the fact
that he is. Yeah, okay.

1201
00:56:52,951 --> 00:56:55,452
Yeah. Okay, fair enough.
All right. You've changed

1202
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:57,079
my mind on that
because I was going to say

1203
00:56:55,452 --> 00:56:59,331
a resounding no was
was my initial Break-Up.

1204
00:56:59,331 --> 00:57:03,878
But now that you mentioned,
yes, there probably

1205
00:57:01,418 --> 00:57:05,547
are some people where
that, you know,

1206
00:57:03,878 --> 00:57:09,134
for whatever reason, that whole
like broad shoulders,

1207
00:57:06,755 --> 00:57:10,427
then someone says to them,
you'd be really good at

1208
00:57:09,134 --> 00:57:11,927
bouldering.
Have you tried bouldering

1209
00:57:11,927 --> 00:57:16,099
and like getting into it
and you could, you could be

1210
00:57:14,556 --> 00:57:19,059
like the best. And they're
probably awesome people

1211
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:21,563
who've gotten into it
for that, you know,

1212
00:57:19,059 --> 00:57:27,443
just that kind of Yeah, external
reason or, you know, the vaguest

1213
00:57:26,108 --> 00:57:30,572
hint of a reason.
And then they actively go, okay,

1214
00:57:28,902 --> 00:57:32,322
I'm just going to do this.
Like this is just now my choices.

1215
00:57:32,322 --> 00:57:35,994
And I become Yeah, yeah.
And I wouldn't say that

1216
00:57:33,324 --> 00:57:36,702
that's the common,
that's the norm.

1217
00:57:36,702 --> 00:57:39,998
I'd say that's the
more odd one out

1218
00:57:38,121 --> 00:57:41,498
that's doing that. Yeah.
But there are some people

1219
00:57:39,998 --> 00:57:43,626
like that for sure.
So to put a spin on it because,

1220
00:57:43,626 --> 00:57:47,880
because I was going to be
like okay, resounding

1221
00:57:45,085 --> 00:57:49,215
no unhelpful question.
The spin on it is

1222
00:57:49,215 --> 00:57:52,177
I think you can actually
actively choose

1223
00:57:50,257 --> 00:57:54,762
to be a dunder head.
So a dunder head, I don't know

1224
00:57:53,594 --> 00:57:56,347
if this is just
Australian slang or not,

1225
00:57:56,347 --> 00:57:58,724
but it basically means
someone is doing stupid.

1226
00:57:58,724 --> 00:58:02,228
And so I would say it's
a dunder head in this case

1227
00:58:02,228 --> 00:58:05,981
is someone stupid
who chases a crap goal.

1228
00:58:06,398 --> 00:58:10,235
So this is where we going
to whip out our favourite

1229
00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:13,489
whipping boy here, Manchu
and a couple

1230
00:58:10,445 --> 00:58:15,492
of years ago, a year ago,
he seemed to have

1231
00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:18,786
just become obsessed
with becoming partner.

1232
00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:23,583
I didn't really know
what that meant, but partner is

1233
00:58:23,583 --> 00:58:25,293
in the, like,
the contracting world.

1234
00:58:25,293 --> 00:58:28,545
It's like high up
management, right? So yeah,

1235
00:58:28,545 --> 00:58:29,838
he seemed to have
just become obsessed

1236
00:58:29,838 --> 00:58:32,717
with that and by obsessed,
I mean he was working

1237
00:58:32,717 --> 00:58:36,846
68 hour weeks for months on end.
But yeah, yeah.

1238
00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:41,976
Basically doing that and I,
I didn't know the reason I would

1239
00:58:41,976 --> 00:58:44,394
describe that as obsessed
and it seemed like

1240
00:58:44,394 --> 00:58:46,105
that was mostly
what he was talking about.

1241
00:58:46,105 --> 00:58:49,108
And he, I knew
he didn't want to do it.

1242
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,652
He was also telling me about
how he had no time to do

1243
00:58:51,652 --> 00:58:52,778
the things
he normally loves doing,

1244
00:58:52,778 --> 00:58:56,490
hiking and going out.
And such a lot. Yeah.

1245
00:58:56,490 --> 00:58:59,244
And so that was
when I was going like, okay,

1246
00:58:57,951 --> 00:59:00,994
I think he's actively
chosen become a Dunder head here

1247
00:59:00,994 --> 00:59:05,583
because he's chasing a crap goal.
It's such a stupid

1248
00:59:02,579 --> 00:59:08,210
like everything about him
screams out, This is not

1249
00:59:05,583 --> 00:59:09,670
a great decision for you.
And thankfully I think he's taken

1250
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:11,672
a different path,
at least with his new.

1251
00:59:11,672 --> 00:59:14,884
Role for sure. Yeah.
And has done the head studies.

1252
00:59:14,884 --> 00:59:18,762
Yes. Yeah. Yes, exactly.
So now he's. He's getting

1253
00:59:16,385 --> 00:59:21,766
closer to the status,
but that was one

1254
00:59:19,722 --> 00:59:24,726
where I go, Yeah, okay.
I think I can actively choose to.

1255
00:59:24,851 --> 00:59:27,521
Whilst it might
seem like become obsessed

1256
00:59:25,603 --> 00:59:29,565
with something, you only get
the downsides of it

1257
00:59:29,565 --> 00:59:31,858
and you're chasing,
you're chasing golf.

1258
00:59:31,858 --> 00:59:33,610
R Wrong reason
or it's a stupid goal

1259
00:59:33,610 --> 00:59:37,447
or you think it'll get you
what you eventually

1260
00:59:34,987 --> 00:59:38,490
want to get. But it's not.
It's not a direct linear

1261
00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:42,996
path and you're actually
veering off. I think that

1262
00:59:40,367 --> 00:59:44,664
probably happens more than
someone actively choosing

1263
00:59:42,996 --> 00:59:50,586
something to. Become obsessed.
With and they derive benefit

1264
00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:54,340
just from being obsessed
with something. As in beforehand,

1265
00:59:51,253 --> 00:59:55,925
they had no obsession,
they were just lost.

1266
00:59:55,925 --> 01:00:00,179
Life was kind of dull and grey,
and then they choose something

1267
01:00:00,179 --> 01:00:02,556
and then it's everything's
much better.

1268
01:00:02,556 --> 01:00:04,516
I think it's usually it's
like lifestyle in grey,

1269
01:00:04,516 --> 01:00:07,269
or I'll become obsessed
with this thing

1270
01:00:06,018 --> 01:00:08,146
that I think I want.
And actually it's.

1271
01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:13,610
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Well, there was a quote

1272
01:00:09,355 --> 01:00:16,195
I heard today from Yuval
Noah Harari, and it was about

1273
01:00:16,195 --> 01:00:19,114
the people who are trying
to extend their life,

1274
01:00:19,114 --> 01:00:20,907
like the length,
length extension.

1275
01:00:20,907 --> 01:00:22,827
And for me I'm like, you know,
I want out of

1276
01:00:22,827 --> 01:00:24,661
a long, healthy life
doesn't necessarily mean

1277
01:00:24,661 --> 01:00:26,496
I want to extend a couple
of hundred years.

1278
01:00:26,496 --> 01:00:30,335
The way he put it was, yeah,
how sensible is it

1279
01:00:30,335 --> 01:00:35,088
that these people out there
are wanting to extend

1280
01:00:32,045 --> 01:00:37,257
their life by 200 years
just so that in 200 years time

1281
01:00:37,257 --> 01:00:39,760
they can spend more time
with the family? Like how,

1282
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,847
how logical is that to spend
time with the family now?

1283
01:00:42,847 --> 01:00:44,556
I guess that's what he was
trying to get out now. Yeah.

1284
01:00:44,556 --> 01:00:46,059
So some people are
obviously spending time

1285
01:00:46,059 --> 01:00:49,186
now and in the future
the bothered by it. It is a weird

1286
01:00:50,271 --> 01:00:53,650
thought process that you
become obsessed

1287
01:00:51,188 --> 01:00:55,108
in that health extension
when what you kind of want

1288
01:00:55,108 --> 01:00:58,905
is already in front of you
and as he kind of points out,

1289
01:00:58,905 --> 01:01:02,407
you can become, you know, become
immortal, unkillable.

1290
01:01:02,407 --> 01:01:05,411
You just become
an extended life set, not,

1291
01:01:05,411 --> 01:01:06,996
you know, unkillable
because again,

1292
01:01:06,996 --> 01:01:09,498
basket run you over.
You can be killed in whatever

1293
01:01:09,498 --> 01:01:13,378
other methods that do don't mean
you know it's human

1294
01:01:11,416 --> 01:01:14,586
driven. I guess. So it was yeah.
I was like,

1295
01:01:14,586 --> 01:01:16,672
yeah, that was interesting
in the sense of that.

1296
01:01:16,672 --> 01:01:20,760
It can be those
sort of obsessions where maybe,

1297
01:01:19,092 --> 01:01:22,594
maybe you just like this bored
old billionaire idea.

1298
01:01:22,594 --> 01:01:24,889
You know what?
I'm going to be obsessed

1299
01:01:22,969 --> 01:01:25,931
with a health exception,
and it actually

1300
01:01:24,889 --> 01:01:26,891
makes your life worse because now
you're focusing

1301
01:01:26,891 --> 01:01:28,184
completely different,
not even enjoying

1302
01:01:28,184 --> 01:01:31,853
the fruits of your labour,
whatever. It's like, Yeah, okay,

1303
01:01:29,476 --> 01:01:34,481
that's a good point. Yeah.
Ties in super nicely with

1304
01:01:34,481 --> 01:01:38,277
my last theme here, which
the benefits of madness.

1305
01:01:38,277 --> 01:01:45,117
So the benefits of a an obsession
which is getting you to do things

1306
01:01:42,114 --> 01:01:48,496
which are irrational and
this is where it's like I usually

1307
01:01:46,661 --> 01:01:49,163
on the side of caution
for these things

1308
01:01:49,163 --> 01:01:55,460
because I think generally
my let my logical go the madness

1309
01:01:52,833 --> 01:01:56,128
is irrationality.
And that's probably

1310
01:01:56,128 --> 01:02:01,092
the main cause of most suffering.
So if you're a rational about

1311
01:02:01,092 --> 01:02:04,344
what's going on with your life,
if you're not seeing

1312
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:07,139
reality for how it is,
I think that causes

1313
01:02:04,344 --> 01:02:08,974
a lot of suffering.
I'm going to do a book

1314
01:02:07,139 --> 01:02:10,934
review tomorrow of
Arthur Miller's

1315
01:02:08,974 --> 01:02:12,936
Death of a Salesman.
Let me reach over here

1316
01:02:10,934 --> 01:02:17,567
and grab this so one can say it's
just a short play,

1317
01:02:14,063 --> 01:02:19,360
112 pages or something,
one of his classics

1318
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,197
and one of the better
known plays, and that's a student

1319
01:02:21,362 --> 01:02:24,907
of Willy Loman.
And he's basically delusional

1320
01:02:24,907 --> 01:02:29,911
and his delusions
of excessive pride.

1321
01:02:29,911 --> 01:02:34,333
He's so proud. And his sons,
he thinks he himself

1322
01:02:31,329 --> 01:02:37,753
is like a hot shit
and it's it's interesting

1323
01:02:34,541 --> 01:02:39,672
because you hear in the book
review that I do that

1324
01:02:39,672 --> 01:02:41,965
he lives in the future
like he's always thinking

1325
01:02:41,965 --> 01:02:45,969
about this future, like my sons.
They're going to be like

1326
01:02:44,092 --> 01:02:47,847
famous football players.
Biff in particular has one son,

1327
01:02:47,847 --> 01:02:50,557
like he's going to be this
amazing guy. You know, he's

1328
01:02:50,557 --> 01:02:53,059
it's all about personality
and being likeable. Everyone.

1329
01:02:53,059 --> 01:02:55,271
It doesn't matter what you do
as long as you're likeable,

1330
01:02:55,271 --> 01:02:58,356
like doors will open for you.
All this,

1331
01:02:56,898 --> 01:02:59,442
you're going to go places
before this sort of thing.

1332
01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:01,693
And then he's talking
himself up as well.

1333
01:03:01,693 --> 01:03:04,489
And the funny thing is,
when he's living in this

1334
01:03:04,489 --> 01:03:07,074
future world
that he's always thinking,

1335
01:03:07,074 --> 01:03:12,038
I think it's actually kind
of a good thing for him

1336
01:03:08,367 --> 01:03:14,623
because it's all positive.
There's no

1337
01:03:12,538 --> 01:03:15,791
there's no like downsides.
He's just living in this future

1338
01:03:15,791 --> 01:03:17,918
positive world
and everything is bright.

1339
01:03:17,918 --> 01:03:21,672
And and this is where I can go
and go like, okay, well,

1340
01:03:19,836 --> 01:03:24,257
he's kind of obsessed with
this is he's irrational,

1341
01:03:21,672 --> 01:03:29,137
for sure. You see that going on.
And the only thing

1342
01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:30,639
that really negative
that happens to him is, well,

1343
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:34,351
he has some conflicts
with reality

1344
01:03:31,681 --> 01:03:35,436
of his presence situation
is just a salesman.

1345
01:03:35,436 --> 01:03:40,483
He's not a very good salesman.
His son flunked math

1346
01:03:37,438 --> 01:03:43,235
and he's actually
not that great a song.

1347
01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:44,737
He's kind of a bum.
And this is where

1348
01:03:43,235 --> 01:03:47,072
I can kind of go.
Like if you had this obsession

1349
01:03:47,072 --> 01:03:49,449
and this madness
and this irrationality

1350
01:03:49,449 --> 01:03:52,954
is irrational, yet
his son's never going

1351
01:03:50,952 --> 01:03:54,664
to get to the stage.
He's never going to be there.

1352
01:03:54,664 --> 01:03:58,793
But the joy that it brings
him is a lot. If he could just

1353
01:03:56,998 --> 01:04:00,670
temper that
by living in that future and then

1354
01:04:00,670 --> 01:04:05,007
in the present time
when he conflicts with, shit,

1355
01:04:03,755 --> 01:04:08,010
I don't have the money
to pay these bills

1356
01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:09,135
and could kind of use,
I don't know, some stoic

1357
01:04:09,135 --> 01:04:12,139
philosophy perhaps,
or some Buddhism or,

1358
01:04:12,806 --> 01:04:18,311
you know, whatever
mental thing for just accepting

1359
01:04:16,726 --> 01:04:21,858
the present moment. Yeah,
I think that irrationality

1360
01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:23,358
could actually be good
for him because he had

1361
01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:25,193
something to dream about.
He had something to hope about.

1362
01:04:25,193 --> 01:04:28,197
It's a weird one.
So normally I'd say like, that's

1363
01:04:26,903 --> 01:04:28,989
a pretty dumb thing to do. Like,
you shouldn't do that.

1364
01:04:28,989 --> 01:04:32,076
And the book doesn't
end nicely for him. It's,

1365
01:04:30,782 --> 01:04:34,286
it's in the fucking title,
Death of a Salesman.

1366
01:04:34,286 --> 01:04:36,581
But I think there's
an argument to be made

1367
01:04:36,581 --> 01:04:41,293
that being irrational
can actually bring some some joy.

1368
01:04:41,293 --> 01:04:44,505
And perhaps even
you need to be irrational

1369
01:04:42,878 --> 01:04:45,965
at times because life
can be pretty hard.

1370
01:04:45,965 --> 01:04:49,467
And and being irrational
and having an obsession,

1371
01:04:49,467 --> 01:04:54,097
which kind of plays into
that irrationality could could

1372
01:04:52,554 --> 01:04:57,101
work out for you. Yeah,
that's an interesting one,

1373
01:04:58,603 --> 01:05:08,945
I'll say that the, the only.
The only. Way that irrational

1374
01:05:04,858 --> 01:05:14,784
or obsessive behaviours
would be of good positive.

1375
01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:19,539
Like net positive net. Positive
would have to be ones

1376
01:05:19,539 --> 01:05:29,007
that also tend
to have the long lasting and slow

1377
01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:31,092
resulting outcomes,
which are generally

1378
01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:32,385
positive by nature.
Because one of things

1379
01:05:32,385 --> 01:05:37,182
or just thinking on
this front was yes, there's some

1380
01:05:35,431 --> 01:05:39,143
there's probably
some short term benefits

1381
01:05:39,143 --> 01:05:40,936
that come with that
sort of mentality.

1382
01:05:40,936 --> 01:05:42,521
That kids are more
confident, but.

1383
01:05:42,521 --> 01:05:48,652
Long term is a killer.
Long term, you stuffed

1384
01:05:44,648 --> 01:05:53,532
because expectations get missed.
You like you. You can only

1385
01:05:51,364 --> 01:05:54,574
delude yourself so long
before reality comes

1386
01:05:54,574 --> 01:05:58,119
smack in the face and then, shit,
my future is actually

1387
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:02,500
always broken and never happened.
And then you hit this

1388
01:05:59,496 --> 01:06:04,543
crisis point or this this
tipping point. So I think which.

1389
01:06:04,543 --> 01:06:08,297
You just described.
Was best What happens? I would

1390
01:06:06,045 --> 01:06:13,052
imagine so in my mind I go
obsessive tendencies or

1391
01:06:13,052 --> 01:06:16,054
the madness of someone's
mindset can have on them.

1392
01:06:16,347 --> 01:06:22,311
And it can it's good if it's net
net neutral or net positive.

1393
01:06:22,311 --> 01:06:24,771
And that generally tends to be
the things are going to be

1394
01:06:24,771 --> 01:06:29,068
slower burning positives.
The common type for me, I'd say,

1395
01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:30,610
is it a rational for me
to go to the gym

1396
01:06:30,610 --> 01:06:33,364
sometimes all this often
and push for whatever, whatever,

1397
01:06:33,364 --> 01:06:36,157
even though I'm tired
and I'm sick sometimes?

1398
01:06:36,157 --> 01:06:39,161
Yes, it is irrational,
but I could probably make

1399
01:06:39,161 --> 01:06:41,789
a really good
go at showing you why

1400
01:06:41,789 --> 01:06:44,791
it's a net positive over
my lifetime. There's

1401
01:06:43,541 --> 01:06:46,460
a lot of other policies
that come out of it and

1402
01:06:44,791 --> 01:06:47,168
I'd rather be doing that.
They're not doing that.

1403
01:06:47,168 --> 01:06:49,045
That's basically
the balance for me.

1404
01:06:49,045 --> 01:06:52,090
Way there's other
obsessive tendencies where

1405
01:06:53,384 --> 01:06:54,677
I wouldn't
have said it's obsessive

1406
01:06:54,677 --> 01:06:58,972
with the body notes Tick tock,
but the might have been

1407
01:06:56,804 --> 01:07:01,099
all the things like,
okay, if that had become

1408
01:06:58,972 --> 01:07:02,684
an obsession.
Chasing fame, for example,

1409
01:07:01,099 --> 01:07:04,644
like you're. Obsessed
with. Becoming famous. Where

1410
01:07:04,644 --> 01:07:08,190
where again, that's like
this short term benefits

1411
01:07:08,690 --> 01:07:10,443
but kind of like
in a Death of a Salesman,

1412
01:07:10,443 --> 01:07:13,153
there's irrational
expectations that are met.

1413
01:07:13,153 --> 01:07:15,322
All of a sudden you expect people
to treat you different

1414
01:07:15,322 --> 01:07:17,324
or present yourself
in a different manner.

1415
01:07:17,324 --> 01:07:19,659
You're no longer the person
who you always sort of stuff,

1416
01:07:19,659 --> 01:07:23,289
which then divides and creates
a tipping point that you can't

1417
01:07:23,289 --> 01:07:25,916
really come back from
and then goes

1418
01:07:25,916 --> 01:07:30,003
negative, basically.
So yeah, that's

1419
01:07:27,083 --> 01:07:33,048
an interesting point. Yeah.
So just on on this one as well,

1420
01:07:33,048 --> 01:07:36,760
I think one of the benefits is it
does let you feel alive.

1421
01:07:36,927 --> 01:07:38,596
So if you're obsessed
with something

1422
01:07:38,596 --> 01:07:41,556
I think it can break
through a lot of monotony

1423
01:07:41,556 --> 01:07:44,643
of bullshit of day to day life,
which just comes on.

1424
01:07:44,643 --> 01:07:47,438
So for example,
I've been going through

1425
01:07:45,686 --> 01:07:49,231
a pretty rough period
the last six months, just,

1426
01:07:49,231 --> 01:07:51,983
you know, mom's condition
has deteriorated a lot,

1427
01:07:51,983 --> 01:07:58,114
resulting in me not enjoying life
as much as I had,

1428
01:07:54,527 --> 01:08:00,784
say this six months prior.
That and, you know,

1429
01:08:02,244 --> 01:08:06,081
as I mentioned with like
my changing of routine, I think

1430
01:08:04,454 --> 01:08:06,791
without the fixation
of having something

1431
01:08:06,791 --> 01:08:09,626
like handstands and wear,
it was a daily thing

1432
01:08:09,626 --> 01:08:12,128
basically like, I'm
going to go do this thing.

1433
01:08:12,128 --> 01:08:18,886
And when I go there, man, it's
the drive for, you know,

1434
01:08:16,132 --> 01:08:21,012
achieving the splits,
just all the one arm

1435
01:08:18,886 --> 01:08:23,890
handstand or something.
It just gave me to

1436
01:08:21,012 --> 01:08:26,935
something to focus on and
be pleasurable about when

1437
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:28,938
other things in my life
weren't great. In particular,

1438
01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:33,192
like Mum's health, which was just
consuming a lot

1439
01:08:30,898 --> 01:08:35,152
of my thoughts and time.
And so I think there is

1440
01:08:35,152 --> 01:08:38,154
the benefit of if
even if it is like a kind

1441
01:08:38,154 --> 01:08:44,369
of unhealthy obsession,
it can cut through the dreariness

1442
01:08:42,283 --> 01:08:46,204
or the depression, if that's
what you feeling. Yeah.

1443
01:08:46,204 --> 01:08:49,207
And once again,
maybe it's more short term

1444
01:08:49,291 --> 01:08:54,046
and therefore not good in a sense
and detrimental long term.

1445
01:08:54,046 --> 01:08:57,048
But I mean if you're
going to commit suicide.

1446
01:08:57,550 --> 01:09:01,345
Probably better to do that. Yeah.
And you know who gives a fuck

1447
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:04,347
about any long term consequences
if you have if you like.

1448
01:09:04,472 --> 01:09:06,850
You know, I'm depressed of
whatever if.

1449
01:09:06,850 --> 01:09:08,310
I can just get obsessed
about something.

1450
01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:11,229
Can it bring some pleasure
in my life? Shit,

1451
01:09:10,145 --> 01:09:12,898
At least you're living
a couple of days long ago.

1452
01:09:12,898 --> 01:09:16,234
And I mean, etc..
In another way, sometimes

1453
01:09:14,065 --> 01:09:19,572
you think of obsession.
That's a strong word. You know,

1454
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:22,240
take away from me, etc..
Meaning if you, you know,

1455
01:09:19,572 --> 01:09:27,078
you have a Y I can bear anyhow.
And that's an original

1456
01:09:23,449 --> 01:09:30,623
niche niche quite
so that you can also turn

1457
01:09:27,287 --> 01:09:32,960
the Y around.
That is also what could be

1458
01:09:30,623 --> 01:09:35,171
deemed as obsession. And again,
here in that particular mindset,

1459
01:09:35,171 --> 01:09:37,922
it doesn't have to be
that it's a net neutral,

1460
01:09:36,546 --> 01:09:38,798
positive, negative.
It could just be,

1461
01:09:38,798 --> 01:09:41,594
Hey, if you have a reason
for doing something

1462
01:09:41,594 --> 01:09:44,470
you can bear anyhow,
and that could be a period

1463
01:09:42,552 --> 01:09:46,806
of time of six months, two years,
two days, hours.

1464
01:09:46,806 --> 01:09:50,019
But if you have a reason for why
you should me my reason for why

1465
01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:54,148
when I wake up on a monday
morning or something, it's

1466
01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:56,399
Hey, my wife is
like this is my day to, like,

1467
01:09:56,399 --> 01:09:58,569
really get hot
or this is the mentality

1468
01:09:57,193 --> 01:10:00,695
of people that I want to emulate
and the like. That's my way.

1469
01:10:00,695 --> 01:10:03,865
So they're the bearing
anyhow of okay,

1470
01:10:03,865 --> 01:10:07,661
I was like loosely,
but I'm tired. So doesn't

1471
01:10:07,661 --> 01:10:09,662
it's inconsequential
to the result of I'm

1472
01:10:09,662 --> 01:10:11,457
going to go do that
anyways because there's a

1473
01:10:11,457 --> 01:10:15,752
Y that pushes away the,
the doubts or the dramas

1474
01:10:15,793 --> 01:10:18,631
or the house doesn't matter.
You just kind of make it work.

1475
01:10:18,631 --> 01:10:20,966
Yeah. The last one here
was about the

1476
01:10:20,966 --> 01:10:23,969
the kind of attitude
that can occur within you

1477
01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:27,597
when you're when you're obsessed
with something or what,

1478
01:10:27,597 --> 01:10:29,807
what, what
shows out to other people.

1479
01:10:29,807 --> 01:10:33,020
And so the new gym
I'm at, for example, is is

1480
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:39,693
pretty is fun because it's large
and it's also so lodge means

1481
01:10:37,315 --> 01:10:41,278
I get to view everywhere
like the old gym I was at was

1482
01:10:41,278 --> 01:10:42,947
I was only seeing
the tiny outdoor.

1483
01:10:42,947 --> 01:10:45,949
Yeah, I wouldn't really
say see much people.

1484
01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:50,246
This one's much more open plan.
I can see everything

1485
01:10:47,952 --> 01:10:53,207
and it's expensive.
So there's a, there's

1486
01:10:50,246 --> 01:10:55,000
a kind of driving force
at the very least where it's,

1487
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,461
it's not the,
the bare bones minimum

1488
01:10:57,461 --> 01:10:59,421
of the cheapest gym
you can find out

1489
01:10:59,421 --> 01:11:01,465
which is where I was
at before basically.

1490
01:11:01,465 --> 01:11:03,759
And now it's like,
okay, these people have

1491
01:11:03,759 --> 01:11:05,051
they've got to kind of
be here for a reason

1492
01:11:05,051 --> 01:11:07,637
because there's actually
some money on the line as well.

1493
01:11:07,637 --> 01:11:10,932
And most people,
I would say when they go

1494
01:11:10,932 --> 01:11:13,101
there, you know, it's
kind of blasé.

1495
01:11:13,101 --> 01:11:15,854
They've got their friends
in the certainly not

1496
01:11:15,854 --> 01:11:18,815
screaming or shouting,
trying to get pubs.

1497
01:11:19,149 --> 01:11:21,484
A lot of them, I notice,
are in there for social reasons

1498
01:11:21,484 --> 01:11:24,697
because I'll I'll see only
like this pair of girls

1499
01:11:24,697 --> 01:11:26,864
or this guy and girl
or these four guys.

1500
01:11:26,864 --> 01:11:29,158
And so it's like, okay,
well they're, they're,

1501
01:11:29,158 --> 01:11:33,037
they're there to be social
and it's healthy. So, you know,

1502
01:11:30,911 --> 01:11:35,666
that's a win for them. But I keep
eye out for the ones

1503
01:11:34,331 --> 01:11:37,376
who I would say I like obsessed
and these are usually

1504
01:11:37,376 --> 01:11:39,627
the ones who are there day
in, day out, like myself.

1505
01:11:39,627 --> 01:11:42,547
And so they're pretty easy
to identify.

1506
01:11:42,547 --> 01:11:46,217
There's this one girl,
for example. She's probably

1507
01:11:44,216 --> 01:11:48,177
got the thickest hair
I've ever seen, I reckon.

1508
01:11:48,177 --> 01:11:52,056
I don't know how how thick
an individual hair strand is.

1509
01:11:52,056 --> 01:11:54,518
What like point one of
a millimetre you reckon.

1510
01:11:54,518 --> 01:11:58,146
Or something
like maybe ..2. Yeah. I would say

1511
01:11:56,603 --> 01:11:59,273
her hair on that.
I haven't been up close to her

1512
01:11:59,273 --> 01:12:00,815
but just
seeing her. Pencil thick.

1513
01:12:01,899 --> 01:12:03,819
It's got to be double,
it's got to be like point

1514
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:05,863
three millimetres
or something like that.

1515
01:12:05,863 --> 01:12:09,949
Like thick hair, thick hair
and I see her

1516
01:12:08,407 --> 01:12:12,744
and she's really fun
because I like watching a because

1517
01:12:12,744 --> 01:12:16,164
she, she. Like, she.
Gets really into a music

1518
01:12:13,578 --> 01:12:17,707
at times and is like,
like fucking pumping herself up

1519
01:12:17,707 --> 01:12:20,586
and then, you know,
I've seen her like elated,

1520
01:12:20,586 --> 01:12:24,881
I've seen her angry,
I've seen her like on the phone,

1521
01:12:22,628 --> 01:12:27,426
like pissed off, like powering on
a treadmill and all these sorts

1522
01:12:26,175 --> 01:12:28,719
of things. Yeah. And it kind of
reminds me of myself

1523
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:32,264
because I'll alternate, what,
like in a single handstand

1524
01:12:30,429 --> 01:12:36,225
session
between despair or elation

1525
01:12:32,264 --> 01:12:39,188
when I hit a PB or something,
and then just bemusement

1526
01:12:36,726 --> 01:12:41,023
at how should I am
and how shit they're going

1527
01:12:39,188 --> 01:12:44,025
that day.
And I will go through all

1528
01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:45,109
these emotions and like,
it just reminds me of the

1529
01:12:45,109 --> 01:12:47,529
end of the quote of the
the man in the arena,

1530
01:12:47,529 --> 01:12:51,908
Theodore Roosevelt. Great,
great quote. Or that passage

1531
01:12:50,198 --> 01:12:53,743
apparently is actually
part of a long speech. Did. Yeah.

1532
01:12:53,743 --> 01:12:56,454
And I was looking
at the speech today and actually

1533
01:12:56,454 --> 01:12:57,831
it looks pretty
it looked pretty boring.

1534
01:12:57,831 --> 01:13:02,586
So yeah, so we got the
French and stuff, but the one of

1535
01:12:59,957 --> 01:13:06,006
the last lines in that is
those cold and timid souls

1536
01:13:03,753 --> 01:13:08,175
who neither know victory
or defeat. And I think that's

1537
01:13:06,756 --> 01:13:09,426
one of the things that obsession
can gives you.

1538
01:13:09,426 --> 01:13:12,637
It gives you the drive
to not be like them,

1539
01:13:12,637 --> 01:13:14,139
you know, you're
the man in the arena.

1540
01:13:14,139 --> 01:13:17,975
You're actually
doing the hard work, the deed,

1541
01:13:15,974 --> 01:13:20,895
it's pushing forward.
And so you can get

1542
01:13:17,975 --> 01:13:24,565
out of the blazer anus
and you can know

1543
01:13:20,895 --> 01:13:26,025
victory or defeat and
be proud of that.

1544
01:13:26,025 --> 01:13:29,320
And that's what having
that kind of obsession is.

1545
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,949
It that irrationality
allows you to overcome

1546
01:13:33,074 --> 01:13:37,287
the monotony of everyday life.
Yep, absolutely. And

1547
01:13:37,287 --> 01:13:40,289
I'll offer this will be my
my summary myself,

1548
01:13:41,166 --> 01:13:44,420
because I've got a set of
maxims ones maxims.

1549
01:13:44,586 --> 01:13:47,588
You want to maximise
the definition of it. To have

1550
01:13:47,588 --> 01:13:51,885
a maxim is a concise expression
of a fundamental

1551
01:13:49,632 --> 01:13:53,052
moral rule or principle,
whether considered as objective

1552
01:13:53,052 --> 01:13:55,096
or subjective contingent
on one's philosophy.

1553
01:13:56,097 --> 01:13:59,309
Maxim is often pedagogical
and motivates specific actions.

1554
01:13:59,309 --> 01:14:04,689
Now, I wrote this
on the ninth of 2029,

1555
01:14:00,810 --> 01:14:06,065
56 in the morning.
I think I remember

1556
01:14:06,065 --> 01:14:08,652
you talking about this
in some of the podcasts. Correct.

1557
01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:12,072
So I want to read this out
because I guess it kind of like

1558
01:14:10,445 --> 01:14:13,489
surmising as well
the mindset behind,

1559
01:14:13,489 --> 01:14:17,869
you know, the madness
behind my mindset. A lot of these

1560
01:14:15,951 --> 01:14:20,872
probably summits how I think
and treat the day to day.

1561
01:14:21,038 --> 01:14:23,833
And as you go forward,
if you're listening

1562
01:14:21,914 --> 01:14:25,418
to this, you go, okay,
I can probably see why one

1563
01:14:23,833 --> 01:14:26,170
is going to be doing it.
And in fact, I reckon

1564
01:14:26,170 --> 01:14:29,006
if you really looked at this,
you would probably be able

1565
01:14:27,753 --> 01:14:30,381
to tell
what I'm going to do next.

1566
01:14:30,381 --> 01:14:32,842
Karl Generally follow these.
Probably apes on time.

1567
01:14:32,842 --> 01:14:34,011
Let's just have a day
to day basis.

1568
01:14:34,011 --> 01:14:36,512
I'm read about real quick
and then that would be my

1569
01:14:38,347 --> 01:14:40,391
emotions about decisions.
The more control over ones

1570
01:14:40,391 --> 01:14:43,395
emotions directly transfers over
better control

1571
01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:44,520
and one's decisions.
So when you're dealing

1572
01:14:43,395 --> 01:14:46,355
with people, let's remember
we're not dealing

1573
01:14:44,979 --> 01:14:48,024
with creatures of logic,
but rather of emotion

1574
01:14:48,024 --> 01:14:50,234
to life is made up
of the models of the world

1575
01:14:50,234 --> 01:14:53,197
and the drops of oil on the spoon
priority

1576
01:14:52,069 --> 01:14:54,489
should be given to the big items
as well as the small.

1577
01:14:54,489 --> 01:14:57,158
Not everything,
but what is most important

1578
01:14:55,032 --> 01:14:58,993
to oneself. Three Live
as if you were living already

1579
01:14:58,993 --> 01:15:01,162
for the second time
and if you reacted the first time

1580
01:15:01,162 --> 01:15:04,832
is as you're about to behave now.
And another way

1581
01:15:04,832 --> 01:15:07,627
you could be confronted
with life's finite ness.

1582
01:15:07,627 --> 01:15:09,505
Imagine that your TV crew
is going around

1583
01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:11,756
filming every second
of what you're doing.

1584
01:15:11,756 --> 01:15:14,259
Success and happiness.
Joy cannot be pursued.

1585
01:15:14,259 --> 01:15:19,597
It must ensue by the act
of doing or serving. Laughing.

1586
01:15:18,012 --> 01:15:21,600
The abyss is back at you.
Pressure is after all a privilege

1587
01:15:22,725 --> 01:15:24,101
to be afraid of the
cult of the Head Start.

1588
01:15:24,101 --> 01:15:26,813
The best learning can also
be the most inefficient,

1589
01:15:26,813 --> 01:15:29,858
easy on easy choices, hard
life, high choices, easy life,

1590
01:15:29,858 --> 01:15:32,860
but do not hide unwanted
things in the fog.

1591
01:15:33,945 --> 01:15:35,530
It does not matter
what we expect from life,

1592
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:41,369
but with life expects from us
all go through to

1593
01:15:41,369 --> 01:15:46,332
the final on here many dreams die
while suffering

1594
01:15:46,917 --> 01:15:50,503
Embrace the suck be a
master of the dark side

1595
01:15:51,046 --> 01:15:53,131
so that that's
a little bit of like a

1596
01:15:53,131 --> 01:15:55,551
if you want to suffice
like some of the vitality.

1597
01:15:55,551 --> 01:15:59,304
My thing easily is you know that
probably some might like.

1598
01:15:59,304 --> 01:16:01,806
That's why I like the other one.
It was one of those of like,

1599
01:16:01,806 --> 01:16:05,476
you know, everyone says,
I want to do this so I can get

1600
01:16:05,476 --> 01:16:08,063
obsessed about that
when whatever. That's all good.

1601
01:16:08,063 --> 01:16:10,274
Well, when it's good,
you know when it's nice.

1602
01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:13,902
But what about when you're
suffering, when it's hard,

1603
01:16:11,774 --> 01:16:15,487
when you're in pain?
It's kind of like something

1604
01:16:14,528 --> 01:16:16,279
when someone's doing a
race or something, Right.

1605
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:19,115
And you get to the point,
fuck, I'm really hurting.

1606
01:16:19,115 --> 01:16:21,659
Like, I probably don't
actually do it. Like,

1607
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:23,078
why am I actually out here
and you Okay, shit.

1608
01:16:23,078 --> 01:16:25,538
You have to have a way
or reason at that point.

1609
01:16:25,538 --> 01:16:27,707
Not when you're
just sitting on the couch.

1610
01:16:27,707 --> 01:16:29,626
You're like,
You know, I'm going to run

1611
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,460
in case tomorrow.
Well, it's a bit different

1612
01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:32,921
when you're actually
running the tank case

1613
01:16:31,002 --> 01:16:34,756
and it's like, fuck,
400 metres in and I'm

1614
01:16:32,921 --> 01:16:37,384
like barely breathing.
So yeah, there's a couple

1615
01:16:34,756 --> 01:16:39,761
of thoughts of why
there's some madness

1616
01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:42,972
behind some of my mindset.
Yeah, for sure. Well, I suppose

1617
01:16:40,679 --> 01:16:44,682
my summary would be
obsession is cool and the,

1618
01:16:44,682 --> 01:16:49,186
you know, the madness in the mind
except examining preferences

1619
01:16:47,144 --> 01:16:50,521
is probably worth while.
A thought

1620
01:16:49,186 --> 01:16:53,524
experiment of going like, Where
do I act irrationally?

1621
01:16:53,524 --> 01:16:58,613
Where do I do things? Where,
you know, my general philosophy

1622
01:16:56,528 --> 01:17:00,907
and perhaps counselling
advice that I'd give to

1623
01:16:58,613 --> 01:17:03,201
other people
would be counter to what

1624
01:17:00,907 --> 01:17:04,536
I'm actually doing.
You know, for example,

1625
01:17:04,536 --> 01:17:07,581
I would not recommend
people to train with

1626
01:17:07,956 --> 01:17:12,877
in a way that could induce
long term damage. Yet that's what

1627
01:17:11,083 --> 01:17:15,463
I'm doing with my wrists.
It's probably going to happen,

1628
01:17:15,463 --> 01:17:20,010
correct. Just that's just
the kind of trade-off

1629
01:17:17,006 --> 01:17:22,220
that I'm willing to accept
is worth thinking about,

1630
01:17:20,051 --> 01:17:23,721
because some of them,
if you examine them and

1631
01:17:23,721 --> 01:17:25,181
I have examined that one
and, I've gone,

1632
01:17:25,181 --> 01:17:27,975
No, it's worth it.
I'm willing to do that

1633
01:17:25,974 --> 01:17:31,104
one current.
So in three years time,

1634
01:17:27,975 --> 01:17:34,358
Khan is going to replace
Boaster with wrists

1635
01:17:31,563 --> 01:17:37,027
with just like fat marble.
That is not just fat marble block

1636
01:17:35,442 --> 01:17:38,612
So you can just kind of
like just sit there and.

1637
01:17:38,612 --> 01:17:41,030
Say, yeah, no matter,
no matter what I do.

1638
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:44,242
Like if I just fall over,
I will just fall into a perfect.

1639
01:17:44,242 --> 01:17:49,581
You know, those boxing
bags, you can get them

1640
01:17:46,828 --> 01:17:52,417
or something, but.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It will

1641
01:17:50,998 --> 01:17:57,546
be the top heavy, but
so I think it's worth

1642
01:17:54,336 --> 01:17:59,591
examining those things.
You know, maybe if you're

1643
01:17:59,591 --> 01:18:02,802
one of the rare ones,
you get to choose

1644
01:18:00,425 --> 01:18:05,055
your own obsession.
Does everyone need

1645
01:18:02,802 --> 01:18:08,557
to have an obsession?
Probably not. But I would say

1646
01:18:08,557 --> 01:18:10,685
I'm more likely
to be interested in you

1647
01:18:10,685 --> 01:18:12,688
if if you're
if you have an obsession

1648
01:18:12,688 --> 01:18:15,981
of something
passionate about it, it

1649
01:18:15,981 --> 01:18:18,819
generally tends to shine through.
I we didn't talk about

1650
01:18:18,819 --> 01:18:21,279
if it's possible
to be like obsessed

1651
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:24,448
and for people to not realise it
or for it to not show through.

1652
01:18:24,448 --> 01:18:27,284
I think it probably does
show through. Like even if you.

1653
01:18:27,284 --> 01:18:29,371
Watch. It, even if it's like an
obsession that you kind of

1654
01:18:29,371 --> 01:18:32,498
maybe is like
the socially unacceptable,

1655
01:18:33,875 --> 01:18:36,461
your real, your real
into bond ism or obedience

1656
01:18:36,461 --> 01:18:41,048
or something, it's, it's
probably going to shine through.

1657
01:18:39,131 --> 01:18:43,301
So I'm not sure it's something
that you can hide.

1658
01:18:43,301 --> 01:18:46,262
But it makes you a more
unique person. Yeah, but. It but

1659
01:18:46,262 --> 01:18:49,599
it also might be possible
to stop being obsessed

1660
01:18:49,599 --> 01:18:51,810
with things. Another thing
we didn't

1661
01:18:50,684 --> 01:18:53,145
particularly talk about,
but say you can

1662
01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:59,024
probably find ways to get out of
unhealthy obsessions

1663
01:18:56,021 --> 01:19:00,025
if if that's what what's,
what's on your mind.

1664
01:19:00,025 --> 01:19:03,697
So yeah, that's, that's
I got for today. Good.

1665
01:19:03,697 --> 01:19:05,407
Well me more or less
is any questions at all.

1666
01:19:05,407 --> 01:19:07,993
Do we need to. Yeah. Sorry.
Yeah. Does he philosopher.

1667
01:19:07,993 --> 01:19:10,996
So for us he was on the podcast
quite a, quite a while ago,

1668
01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,163
he says Hope
you guys are doing well.

1669
01:19:12,163 --> 01:19:16,710
Today was a stressful day
and actually my mind got

1670
01:19:13,331 --> 01:19:20,380
in this fixated situation. Alas,
your livestream popped up.

1671
01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:21,922
I'm, I don't know
if you know for us,

1672
01:19:21,922 --> 01:19:25,176
but I'm pretty sure,
alas is not used

1673
01:19:22,423 --> 01:19:28,512
in a good content like you
when someone says

1674
01:19:25,176 --> 01:19:31,600
alas it's more like, shit.
So I was like, shit,

1675
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,350
yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure
last is the right way

1676
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:37,439
unless you meant it like that.
Which in which case, alas.

1677
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,192
Damn our podcast. Yeah. Look,
I hope it helped, man.

1678
01:19:40,192 --> 01:19:43,319
I hope you found something
of value of interest in this.

1679
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:47,032
This is why we do this.
I mean, part of it's

1680
01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:49,576
for our own own sakes.
We love getting together

1681
01:19:47,032 --> 01:19:51,578
and talking about the reason
broadcast it out as well is

1682
01:19:51,578 --> 01:19:53,704
because we think
we've got some learnings. I think

1683
01:19:53,704 --> 01:19:55,498
we've got some takeaways,
some philosophy

1684
01:19:55,498 --> 01:20:00,796
that can help people out there.
And yeah, we hope whatever value

1685
01:19:59,002 --> 01:20:02,506
you get from this
that you just return it

1686
01:20:00,796 --> 01:20:03,923
in some shape and form
back to us as well.

1687
01:20:03,923 --> 01:20:07,092
So time, talent and treasure
sharing this with someone,

1688
01:20:08,136 --> 01:20:11,305
you know, taking the effort to,
to press the share button,

1689
01:20:11,305 --> 01:20:13,557
whether it be on your mobile
or whether it just

1690
01:20:13,557 --> 01:20:17,229
be in real everyday life.
If you're talking about a concept

1691
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,689
that we talked about
throwing that name out

1692
01:20:17,229 --> 01:20:21,399
there, that that helped.
Me more as podcasting.

1693
01:20:19,689 --> 01:20:22,359
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

1694
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:25,654
Does help talent
creating a little clip from this

1695
01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:27,113
if you do it on
fountain will kind of

1696
01:20:27,113 --> 01:20:29,990
be able to reward you there.
So send you some sets

1697
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:33,953
but just letting us know
which portions or things

1698
01:20:31,283 --> 01:20:35,579
you found look good.
Much like them.

1699
01:20:35,579 --> 01:20:38,207
So where's the balderdash
Boys did just before

1700
01:20:38,207 --> 01:20:41,837
letting us know, like, know
even if we have a non

1701
01:20:39,376 --> 01:20:42,796
winsome guest on
there's still some down

1702
01:20:42,796 --> 01:20:45,798
some value from it
so you know that means

1703
01:20:46,382 --> 01:20:50,470
who was the guy that I disliked
that you talked with

1704
01:20:48,176 --> 01:20:52,930
or whose style. I mean Jersey.
Yeah, exactly. So you know,

1705
01:20:52,930 --> 01:20:54,224
there's still value
to be found in that,

1706
01:20:54,224 --> 01:20:56,475
even if it's just
not from me. No.

1707
01:20:56,475 --> 01:20:59,145
And then finally,
as we mentioned, treasure.

1708
01:20:59,145 --> 01:21:02,064
You can do this within
many podcasting apps

1709
01:21:02,064 --> 01:21:04,650
if you go to Miyamoto's
podcast dot com slash support.

1710
01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:06,278
I've got a run
through of the apps there

1711
01:21:06,278 --> 01:21:09,280
so you can get a feel
for how each one is.

1712
01:21:09,613 --> 01:21:13,118
There's also an ability
to use PayPal as well

1713
01:21:13,118 --> 01:21:17,956
if you so choose. And maybe maybe
other forms of of ways

1714
01:21:17,956 --> 01:21:20,958
to get it to supporters
that kind of exploring I'm

1715
01:21:21,251 --> 01:21:24,546
going to be okay.
Note the word writer

1716
01:21:22,127 --> 01:21:27,673
he's mentioned. Yes. That's
for the book reviews. Is it good?

1717
01:21:27,673 --> 01:21:30,342
Get me more laughs.
Thank you so much

1718
01:21:29,091 --> 01:21:32,345
for joining us again.
This is live Australian time.

1719
01:21:32,345 --> 01:21:37,016
So it's anytime 7 p.m.
from Brisbane. Now again

1720
01:21:35,347 --> 01:21:38,018
we're going to be
is going to be travelling soon,

1721
01:21:38,018 --> 01:21:39,603
so we're going to continue
to be doing this

1722
01:21:39,603 --> 01:21:41,854
hopefully around this time frame.
You know, this time

1723
01:21:41,854 --> 01:21:43,689
thing is going to be
changing and shifting,

1724
01:21:43,689 --> 01:21:47,402
but we're going to try
and let you know as we go

1725
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:49,904
along. So please.
Pull along. Obsessed

1726
01:21:47,402 --> 01:21:53,408
with waking up at 5 a.m. But if.
That's. No guarantees

1727
01:21:52,073 --> 01:21:54,576
and I guarantee we'll see how
much jet lag goes to.

1728
01:21:55,659 --> 01:21:56,828
Memorialise, we'll
leave it there for now.

1729
01:21:56,828 --> 01:22:00,289
Thank you very much.
Juan out, Kyrin out. Byeee