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We're in Greece (and thank god not LA)!

In Episode #484 of Mere Mortals 'Meanderings', Juan & I (plus Joey, a long-time friend) discuss: Joey's challenges of stand-up comedy, the courage it takes to perform in front of a live audience, the impact of AI on creative industries, cultural experiences of traveling through Europe, our least favourite travel destinations, with Los Angeles/Alice Springs topping the list for their lack of charm and overwhelming tourist traps and a light-hearted attempt at stand-up comedy, as we each share a joke, bringing a humorous end to our Greek adventure.

A huge thanks to Petar the Slav for his huge baller boost, very much appreciated!

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Welcome to Greece
(00:00:40) Introducing Joey & His Comedy Journey
(00:06:34) Public Speaking Vs Comedy
(00:13:02) Dancing & Social Feedback
(00:21:02) Parenting & Social Judgement
(00:24:08) AI Future Content Creation
(00:37:10) The Value Of Human Touch In Art
(00:44:20) Boostagram Lounge
(00:46:20) Catching Up With Our Travels
(00:48:01) Travel Tales & Least Favourite Places
(01:00:03) Experiencing Greece
(01:02:26) Comedy Jokes & Wrap-Up

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[00:00:05] Juan Granados:

Oh,  

[00:00:06] Kyrin Down:

welcome everyone to another mere mortals meanderings episode. We're live here in   Greece.  

[00:00:13] Juan Granados:

We are live indeed. So we're on an island.  

[00:00:16] Kyrin Down:

On an island. We are on the island. You should hopefully see some of the water in the background. Some beautiful,  

[00:00:22] Juan Granados:

rocks. Yeah. If you decide to be watching this live, you probably are getting you're getting a good view of the sky,   which is quite blue. Not as blue as the ocean behind it.   And then just over our our shoulders, we can see boats and people swimming around and music sound on the background.   We've also got   Joey. Joey.   Hi, everyone. My name is Joey. Who, if you are an incredibly   long term   long time listener, was on episode five of the mere mortals podcast.   So it's been quite a few since then. I think   if we combine I think we've talked about eight. If we combine the podcast   slash book reviews, conversations,   immortals in motion,   more for your show,   Valley for Value, it's like   over well, it'll be easily over a thousand episodes.  

I don't know how much more over a thousand. So Mhmm. Welcome to the 1,000   show or something like that. Yeah. Sounds good.   So Beautiful. Thank you for having me on it. Have, Joey. I'm right. One thing that you should be aware of if you're listening to this right now or, preparing yourself is that comes. Back when we did the episode with,   Joseph Signore Gilland, he was not a comedian.   And I'm proud to say that today, he isn't one either. But he had to pretend him to be doing He's pretty he's pretty good lousy one. He's pretty lousy one. I've been doing some stand up comedy,   since 2023,   and he recently went over a 100 stand up shows Yeah. Which is a pretty pretty big feat Yep. Without a lot of episodes in from a podcast perspective. But I've always thought   to do a stand up comedy   gig or event Yeah. Is a lot harder. Like, it's a lot harder than just sitting in front of   a camera. So, like, a lot of times I think a lot of times when I I I hear people doing, like,   doing a podcast Yeah. A lot of what they say is, oh, it's really difficult, to get in front of a camera or speak. Right? Then you'd have you know, maybe if it's like an audience, it's a noise of people. But, I mean, I don't know if it's part of the fact that we myself and Karen have done it now for quite a a long time, but going to see you perform and just seeing random performances of things. Yeah. I'm like, nah. You know, doing a stand up comedy to a gig would   be probably I would say a magnitude difference   in difficulty, to be honest. Do you think it's it's it's sorry. You've now done two podcast episodes. Yeah. You've done a 100 plus Yeah. Comedy gigs. Yeah. Would you agree? Would you say it's probably a magnitude difference? Yeah. Doing open mic level comedy,  

[00:02:52] Joey:

as amateur as comedy can get,   in front of,   people who sometimes don't even really wanna be in the audience, don't even know that there's a gig going on,   and following maybe a art, a comedian who's maybe done some awful jokes, which could've, you know, broken some   social etiquette Exactly. Yep. Around, like, racism or sexism. And just following that and trying to be funny can be like a hiding to nothing.   So I'm I feel like I'm doing comedy at its hardest level, which is the open mic level.   And, is it and it and the one thing about open mic is it does put everything else in life in perspective. Like, yeah, it's way harder to get in front of a stage and on a stage and bomb or do poorly,   than it is in so many other parts of life. Like, it makes  

[00:03:38] Juan Granados:

makes life easy. If you can go on the stage and get no laughs and walk off, your whole life becomes easier. Okay. What what would it take for you, Karen, to get up on stage? Like, say tonight tonight, it's currently, you might not be able to talk to the sun sunlight behind us, but it is 6PM.   If we would say 9PM, you gotta get in front of a 107   people,   none who you know. Yeah. You gotta do a comedy gig, fifteen minute gig session. You cannot get off that stage. Fifty minute. Fifteen. Oh, fifteen. One five. Okay.   That's pretty long, is it? Yeah. It's it's typically five minutes. Minutes is long. Fifteen minutes. Minutes.  



[00:04:12] Joey:

Would you what what would it take for you to be able to do that? And the payoff is, like, your life might be hard now, but, like, the payoff is after you do this fifteen minute stand up set, your life's gonna be so easy, man.  

[00:04:24] Kyrin Down:

I would think   I mean, like, a whole bunch of money would certainly incentivize. Yeah. Okay. So you need, like, the incentive.   We'll do it $20, $25. If if, like, you and Joey had done it beforehand,   probably social pressure would be enough to to get me up there. Yep.   I think I'd be able to just rattle off some stories, like, some of my favorite stories   that   are semi humorous.   So it's not the lack of material   that would really irk me or scare me, but it's never fun. I I feel like getting up in front of a stage, in front of a bunch of people to perform.  

[00:05:03] Juan Granados:

Sure. What   what makes a difference, though? Right? Again, it it's just a camera there. Yeah. And I have heard likes like, Alex from Ozi or a few other people being, like, you know, for some at least for hours, some of the really popular episodes that we've done, all clips, why not? That you got into the thousands of people who've seen it, watched it, listened to it, whatever else.   So when you think about it in that way, what is it just because it's just a camera and so you do you see the faceless people, they might watch this into the future? Is it so is it the the different people that are there? Well, definite yeah. Definitely the the timescale of of things of a whole bunch of people. I I if I had something that  

[00:05:40] Kyrin Down:

I have had a clip that's gone, you know, hundreds of thousand people watching it, but that doesn't feel like a 100,000 people have,  

[00:05:47] Juan Granados:

actually interacted with that. Well, when you did when you said that particular line, it didn't feel like a a 100,000. Yeah. You're not in front of behind the way 10 stadiums or whatever.  

[00:05:57] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. It's it's definitely the   that difference   of just not having people there in front of you. But, like, to compare it to the,   so I did the   a lot of paneling and work, like, hosting at the event,   a couple of weeks ago.   And, you know, that was in front of a room of 30 something people.   I felt   extremely calm. I didn't feel nervous. I felt more nervous going to a Bitcoin event and doing a a presentation or even, like, a five minute soapbox in front of   people that I knew more intimately   than  

[00:06:34] Joey:

these bunch of randoms. Yeah. Okay. You know, the difference is between public speaking and comedy is that you don't public speaking, you don't have to make them laugh.  

[00:06:42] Kyrin Down:

Comedy, like, you have to be Yeah. Apparently You have to be in be funny. Doesn't ask of you. And the and it's very obvious if you're doing well or not. I I think, you know, you can tell if you're doing poorly or not   for other things just based on people's attention span. Are they looking?   Do they seem interested? Do they ask questions afterwards?   So you can tell with those as well. It's somewhat of a performance still, but I would I'd say comedy is is much greater.  

[00:07:07] Joey:

You did, do How about you? What would it take you to get on the stage? Sorry. I'll just jump in. Yeah. So Karan did do, the best man speech at my wedding, and he did get quite a few laughs. And the speech went for three or four minutes. Really good. And that was in front of a 130   or 40 people. Mhmm. And just and at least a 100 of those would have been strangers. So   one  

[00:07:27] Juan Granados:

That was has has done Yeah. Yeah. Has done How did you find that difficult to do?  

[00:07:31] Kyrin Down:

It was   a bit nerve wracking. Yeah. I mean, I I prepped a lot for it. And   but it it wasn't, like, daunting either. It was like, okay. I know this is coming up. I'm not particularly looking forward to being in front of that many people, but,   you know, I I did at least prep beforehand. So I knew, like, oh, okay. I'm not gonna screw it up badly and talk for, like, eight minutes instead of   three.   And once you're in it and   you're just getting going, it's like, alright. Well, I'm here, so I just gotta Joey. Do the best. Yeah. I'll give you I'll give you an example. I I like, if I froze up there, god, that would be terrible. Or if I forgot line Yeah. Joey,  

[00:08:11] Juan Granados:

then that would be terrible. I'll give you I'll give you I'll give you the the example that,   I'll bring this all into one as a good comedian does.   Here in Mykonos yesterday, we went on a on a boat ride. We got to go on the on the Asian Sea. We went to   a I forget the name of the,   islands.   I I called it Rianos. Delos was one. Dallas, Rianon. Dallas and Rianon. But it's like Radio Rianon. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. I'm at Rianon. So when we were there on this particular boat, there were there was two locations, and the location that we went to, was nearby to a beach. It was relatively,   shallow. In fact, it was about 2.8 meters depth, of of the Apple Watch that I checked.  

But we got to jump   from the top of the boat. So a two story two story boat,   they put through, like, a little bench seat that you could, like, step up onto, go up onto the top railing, and jump off.   Now similar to the,   question around, you know, would I would I do comedy, you know, what would it take me to try to do it? Fantastic work, man. When when   I went to go see Joey perform,   I felt   the energy in the area of him performing   or listening to people, and I was   energized. I was like, I wanna do this. I thought I even said to to Joey about the various, you know, potential jokes I could say, what sort of jokes I could talk talk on on stage.   And it was similar to that thing yesterday where at the boat,   I was gonna be the person to jump off. The one was a kid about 12 years old. He confidently got up there, sit up there, did a backflip from the top position, landed pretty easily. Right? So I'm, like, amped. Right? I'm going like, yes. I wanna I wanna do this. And then I got up there and I stood there for about three or four seconds. Now it's the same thing that I think would be in the comedy where   if you told me, you know, do I have any incentive to doing? I think a little bit of social pressure, like, if I had a few friends.  

Yeah. If there was no friends,   maybe maybe a drink. Like, if I was like, if you give me a good stiff drink, I'll do it. I'll do it. Something to that effect will probably help me out. But   if I was to get up there and freeze or think about it for three or four seconds,   then or I have no preparation,   then I might freeze and bomb in the sense that I just kinda get up there,   look around, kinda,   hello.   Would I get through fifteen minutes? I don't know if I don't even know if I could if I waited too long. So and I've never done it, so I've I've absolutely no clue how it would go. Yeah. Kinda similar to the boat. There was, I think, one or two occasions where I go up there, and I waited three or four seconds kinda looking around.   And I went, oh, I need to step down for a bit. Just sit down for a But once you just get up on there and jump, then easy. So I think as long if I could do that, I don't know. I don't know a 100% if I could do it or not. But if I got up there incentivized by maybe you one of you guys being there or a sip drink, I might go, yeah. And get going, and then cool. I'll I'll I'll be good for it. One side note about the the boat. So when you jumped off, did it feel high?  



[00:11:08] Kyrin Down:

No. Because I have jumped off higher before. Okay. Joey?  

[00:11:12] Juan Granados:

Yeah. I really jumped off straight away, so I didn't freak myself out. But, yeah, it felt somewhat higher. I reckon we were probably about two stories up, maybe just below two stories. That look. I I felt it. I was like, woah. This is pretty high. When I jumped off, you felt the, you know, the push pull down, and you're like, woah. And he landed the feet and and whatever else. I watched, a few videos from different angles of our jumps.   There was one me of, me and my partner. There was one that I saw Rachel. I saw some other people. And,   it looks on video and I'll show you guys later. It looks like we are hopping off the side of the pool, like, we're just jumping off a chair into the water.  

Looking back in it, I go, that is not difficult at all. And I think that this is similar Yep. To comedy. Because when I saw you perform, Joey, and I see other people perform Yeah. I think I kinda went, oh, yeah. I could do that. I I can make some people laugh. I think I could do that. If a 12 year old boy can do it, then surely I can. Exactly. Exactly. So I think it's similar where I'm coming out at this angle with how does experience jumping over a boat watching the video afterwards and going, oh, shit. If I'd seen that video, I would've gone like, oh, that's piss easy. Yeah. And I think I've watched you perform. I've watched, like, comedians do comedian, like, comedy. Yeah. I've gone, ah, that's easy. That that's easy to do. Yeah.   So now, overall, I think I'd say, give me a sip of drink. Have to have friends there. Yeah. At least attempted. Whether I get through fifteen minutes or not Yeah. That's Yeah. A whole another question. Yeah. That is a long time. Especially, I'm just thinking,  

[00:12:33] Kyrin Down:

you know, the thing with the kid jumping off, though, is you know, he was confident. He did it well,   did a back flip into it. Yep. If he if you had seen him just absolutely, like, launch himself and then face plant  

[00:12:45] Juan Granados:

Like, if he stood on the rail, stopped Stuffed it up. Pooed, slipped on the poo,   filing in, hit the boat Yeah. It would have been a different scenario. I think I would have been a little bit concerned. So it does I think it does I would have cleaned it. Yes. But I would have been concerned.  

[00:13:01] Kyrin Down:

Let the record say why would it clean the poop. I would have. I'm sorry. Yeah. Because it does it does feel like if you see someone else do it at well, then you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. Probably, I can do that. But there is a a, you know, a hard art to it, and I'm pretty sure that everyone does is there any stories of people doing comedy for the time and just killing it? Like, they don't  

[00:13:22] Joey:

bomb? Yeah. Well, it depends on the person, but we had one guy. He's he seemed like he finished,   school maybe a year or two before, and he had real, like, school captain vibes. And he was just really confident on the mic, and he just, yeah, really clever guy. And he did very solid on his night when he out performed several people that evening.  

[00:13:40] Juan Granados:

Of us three, who's got the most school captain vibe?   I'd say Probably, Kyren, because he's what? Nah. I think I think   I   it's a bit of privilege. I think I'd be good sports captain if it's real now. Yeah. Not school, but now I think I'd be sports captain. I don't think I'd be school captain. Yeah. I've got zero ability to be Yep. Deal with any anything related to school captain too. There's no way we can see anyone But they don't think or anything like that.   Looking at you, you think. I I can't see. I saw Colin and Pat in the chat. We'll put them out a little bit later. Alright. Well, if if who do you think of us, Reid, now that you've heard us today? Who would win out the photos? And you can see us as well. Yep. Yeah. School captain. School captain. Who's who's got your vote? The record show, Joey, is whiter than I.  

[00:14:21] Joey:

I'll just so he does go red up. If I just pedal back quickly, I think the difference but one difference is, to in equating the jumping off the,   under two story or maybe even only one story, maybe even 20 centimeters this, this jump was,   is that, you know, you'd know people have done it, so many people have done it in the past, and not completely, like, messed up the jump, like Juan was saying, where they completely fuck up the jump.   Whereas,   in comedy, I guess you could say it's the same, where, like, every like, there's a long history of people, like, not dying, not hurting themselves after getting on stage and doing comedy.   But, the thing is, like, it's you you can't every open mic room is, like, totally different to one another. Like, it can be totally unencumbered on you if you bomb hard or if you don't bomb hard. Like like I said before, like, if the if the lights are too bright, if the the if the vibe in the room is, like, totally dead, you're not gonna go up there and light up the room. It's already dead, man. Just go home. The the problem Yeah. That so that's the problem with that is that  

[00:15:18] Juan Granados:

I would hazard a guess,   obviously, not to this extreme, but let's take it to the extreme just for the example, that if given the choice, most humans between,   man, I'd rather just die and be embarrassed. They're gonna go, I'm gonna die. Like, I'm not gonna do that. Right? Because the embarrassment,   the immediate   feeling, the long lasting feeling, the rejection Yeah. Nobody wants to feel that. And that is something that if you go up and do a comedy stand up Yeah. You generally will feel like you're gonna get rejected Yep. Like, at one point Yeah. And a lot of people get turned off by that. One of the things that gets is easy from podcasting perspective is there isn't anyone   to do rejecting. That's on right now, you know, if Kyron's gotten some loads of hate messages in a lot of things. Funny. Was he specifically when he put his face in front of the,   Indian god?  

Oh, yeah. Oh, man.   That's not Go check out that book review, man. There's some hate towards karma. Sorry to all Indians out there. Yeah. Kinda meant meant to do it. But It's not it's not against your god. It was a it was the thing I was doing for a while. Correct. But it was, like, you know, it's easy to do and, you know I'm also not sure. Even if the projections and, hey. Yeah. Feel it. But when you feel it so directly, so Yeah. Yeah. Human to human, not, like, hopefully, gonna boob, but just silent. Yeah. Try to do something for them. Well, I could cut. And so a lot a lot of people Yeah. That's the reason why I was asking. Yeah. Even if I knew there was some danger to jumping off the boat Yeah. I I right now, I would say it's probably easier to jump off the boat even knowing that than knowing that they might be nearing 90% rejection levels at some point   or 100% if you do it long enough, right, in comedy. So there's there's that difference. Yeah. It can come for a while as well because I'll  

[00:16:54] Kyrin Down:

I have   my probably   ten, twenty experiences dancing with other people, and this would be, you know, at a at a festival,   just randomly   at perhaps a bar or a a club or something like this, I would say about 10 of them.   Half of them would be   have had a negative connotation of someone being like, man, you dance  

[00:17:19] Juan Granados:

weird or you dance terribly or Which is you dance, weird. It's funny it's funny that you say that because I think I I would equally probably dance just as weirdly or uniquely or differently or wrong.   But I've never felt that, but I've never felt that. That's incredible. In fact, I can I can right now I can right now hear   my mom and dad and just, our sister and my, daughter, like, dancing around and clapping and some of our music? I reckon they're dancing weirdly Yeah. Strangely. Maybe a little bit to the rhythm. So maybe maybe there is some rhythm to to my movements, but I've never you know, I wouldn't sound a dancer. No way in the world.  

[00:17:52] Kyrin Down:

I've never felt that, like So what is common? But have you had someone come up to you and say No. Never. Yeah. Well So so how many times has this happened so this happened to you a few times, Karen, where you've Oh my god. God. Turn it down down there.  

[00:18:05] Juan Granados:

Oh, no. Oh, he's not gonna go down. Shut out of you. Turn it down.  

[00:18:10] Joey:

Thank you. Thank you. So, Karen, you're saying that you go on the dance floor, and then people are giving you feedback on your movements. Has that happened to you quite a few times? Yeah. One, you're gonna have to go down, deal with them, or are they just messing with us? Nothing. They're messing with us. Yeah. Very good. We're good in there. We're good in there. So wait. Wait. So you've been getting some, like, Gordon Ramsay feedback about your dancing skills? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and from, like, people who,  

[00:18:32] Kyrin Down:

especially, like, if you're on a dance floor in a club Yeah.  

[00:18:36] Joey:

AKA, like, an attractive female. Yeah. Someone whose opinion I value highly in that area. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. And they're like At the top of the food chain. Yeah. Exactly.  

[00:18:46] Kyrin Down:

And they're telling you, like, man, that's that's, like, that's not good looking or, like I I can't remember the exact things they were saying, but it certainly cut me enough for it.   It it made me more hesitant and more nervous to get up another time Sure. Try again. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could see, like, two or three bad experiences at something right at the start kill it. Is   that's hard to come back from. Well, maybe, you know  

[00:19:09] Joey:

what else are they saying? Like, how much where how can we apply this feedback?  

[00:19:12] Juan Granados:

Well Look. Look. Look. I am dead. There's a lot of feedback.   Right. There's a lot. So we don't wanna turn it like that. Top to bottom. Alright. But again, we're talking if you want in the comments, we're talking about doing a thirty hour podcast. We have just found We've just found the reason, yeah, at top to bottom. How many faults can we find? Look. Like,  

[00:19:28] Joey:

this happened last time I came to the club. Like, a and the chick came up to me, and she said I wasn't dancing properly. So can you just check this list here? Yeah. I'm really working on it. My dancing is a problem. I'm working on it. This is my practice. You're hating me while I'm practicing.  

[00:19:41] Juan Granados:

But a lot of people won't do that when they when they get the rejection. Right? They're just not gonna they're gonna be scared to, like, retaliate   to get a confrontation. Well, Khan would not do that. Yeah. Khan's gonna confront someone when they're gonna say that, especially in in a location where you're not confident. If someone came up to Karen and you're doing your handstands and said, hey. Hey, man. You really should at your handstands because you're only holding a fit. Unless they're a good handstand, Karen's gonna be like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah. No. That is care. 100%. Dance, you know, and, like, at club and you're trying to, like,   smooth dance, you know, maybe do some robot dancing, whatever. Someone comes up and, like, man, like, a hot lady comes up and says, hey. You're really shitty. Stop doing that. You kinda gotta confront her and be like, no. Fuck you. Like, that's gonna happen. Right? So I think it depends on your on your confidence level and domain. Right?  

Because I think, Joey, you're,   you said it earlier. Right? You know, what matters or, you know, for you, like, a motto for you is kinda like, oh, not nothing matters. Right? Whatever. Do do something else. But if you think about something maybe perhaps that you're, like, really passionate about or you care about a lot,   not comedy because I think it's very directly about, like, you kinda have to fail a lot to try to make it. So I'm trying to figure out, like,   a a thing for it. If if you if you're around, you know, the beach and you had your,   your your little one, your kid, and you do what they're saying. Someone came up like, an older lady, someone, you know, to yourself. You're a fucking shit dad. Like, you're doing this so shit or whatever. Right? That might be a little bit harder for you to be, like, confrontational about it and be like, no. Piss off. I didn't care. Yeah. You know, they they they're questioning maybe perhaps something that you do value quite quite a lot. Right? And someone's coming up and saying it or a few people,   it's gonna be hard for you to confront them and be like, no, man. I've gotta practice. I've gotta dangle my kid by one leg at some point. So, you know, like, it's it's gonna be a difficult thing. Parenting. Parenting feels like one of those yeah. If you say you're a bad parent to someone, that's It's dicey. It's dicey. That's a it's a dicey hard hard. I can't see that ever. Yeah. What's up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, where's the location of this comment coming from? Like, is it, you know, am I in  

[00:21:33] Joey:

a wood am I in Woodridge? You know? Is is someone telling me that I'm a bad parent in, like, some really rough neighborhood? In a great neighborhood. Yeah.  

[00:21:42] Juan Granados:

Yeah. I just can't see. Pretty good. Right? Yeah. I'm gonna take a hard turn. I'm gonna change this, from this from this topic quickly. I'm gonna go to something that I need to call myself out on. I think I don't know if I told you, but, maybe I was saying it to Karen. Maybe I was saying it to a wider group of people. I was, like, I saw this video.   I saw it. This real come out, and it was a guy jumping and, like, landing into this tiny little hole because you were talking about some dive and stuff like that. I was thinking people have seen it. Video. Talking about cliff diving. Cliff diving, man. This guy jumps off, like, what looks like 30 meters, like, jumping off the cliff and falling into this tiny little, like, crack thing, and it was like, it was, like, ridiculous. Like, I was like, I would never do that. It was with what we're doing jumping on the boat and stuff like that.   That clip   was AI generated. No. No. It got done. Half AI generated. The jump was real. The landing in water was real, but that AI generated   the rock   being like a little funny thing in the ground. I watched that. I just recently saw the the clip, and it's, the real and the fake. And I saw that, and I watched it   10 times through. And I was like, can I tell, like, the pixels or the, like, the cut or whatever where this thing is? I could not. I could not determine that that had been   edited with AI or not. I kinda went,   holy shit. That's I I   I if that's the the level that they start becoming,   I don't know how you could truly start spotting the difference anymore without some sort of label, some sort of caption, anything like that. And I went, fuck. I've been duped. The robots have beaten me. Yeah. Well They got our best, man. Yeah.  



[00:23:15] Kyrin Down:

There's a a term for the darker as well because I was going through the World War two Museum in in Poland   and Danks. And we'll we'll talk about travel adventures perhaps in the after the boostgram lounge. And   one of the things I was going was like, man, how are these people just   and when I say people, I mean, everyone in World War two where it was just like all of this, you know, the   the Germans claimed that,   the,   these Polish people had killed x amount of German kind of, not refugees, but Germans who were kinda living in Poland or   so hard to say because, you know, it wasn't Poland at the time. It was Danzig, and it was in this area, blah blah blah. And they claimed this many died. And then after the fact, it was like, oh, no. And so 30,000 was maybe 3,000, and the retail retaliation was way greater than Mhmm. What was they said and all these things. And it's like, man, how do these people just not, like, know at the time? And, of course, it's because everything was secondhand information. And That Yeah. And history history is written by the winners. Yeah. That as well. And that news at the time   was,   oh, it just gets published in the paper. That's your your source of info.  

How easily is that,   altered and propaganda?   Immensely. We and and there's plenty of examples.   And then I was going like, oh, well, that's kind of impossible now   because we've got all this real time information. People TikTok in or video live video streaming   everything and anything.   But now   with all this AI video and Juan's just been tricked, I'm sure I've been duped.   Was telling Joey about   the paternal   was it it's like paternal,   fraud in a in a sense where   the man thinks he's the father of the child,   and he actually isn't. And wild a wildly known thing is ten percent. Ten percent of,   children are actually,   birthed a different father. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Parthed by someone, but it's not the actual Not the person who who thinks he is their father.  

And   Joey's immediate reaction was like, that's way too much. No. That's way too much. So I went had a little look on Wikipedia, and it it even said the, you know, commonly quoted or misquoted   10% number   is actually probably closer down to   between one, maybe as high as three percent.   Yeah. Yeah. And that any studies indicating more than that were, you know, had biases and things like that. Okay. So, you know, that's another version of the same thing where it's like, I've already gotten that from somewhere.   Lord knows how long ago.  

And that's just been stuck in my brain forever. Hey. That's just been, like, the truth. Gonna be so hard to, decipher between AI generated,  

[00:25:53] Joey:

videos   and otherwise   going forward and already I guess, I guess one option is just go we just gotta we just gotta   and particularly when it comes to, you know, wars and really terrible things, I guess what we could do is just, I guess, we could go to fly over to Palestine and check.  

[00:26:09] Kyrin Down:

We could do person check-in. We could do that. Just go check if something. We're not gonna do that. So then it's like, okay. We need to find someone to   do that for us for us who we trust.   But then,   you know What if they get an AI bot, though? Yep. Yeah. Well, how many how many people do you trust to give you the real news? And   then they're probably   misquoting stuff or they're already it's it's a it's a mess, man. It's a mess. It's like  

[00:26:35] Juan Granados:

very hard to sort out. It it just kind of demonstrated again to me when, like, that I kinda sort it when when they reposted it and showed that it was the ended version. Kinda going, man, that that's gonna become tricky in all the scenarios that you listed now even more easier for people to be able to do that as well.   I guess your point, Joey, is like yeah. Are you gonna go person check all of these things to validate it? Like, you won't and you can't.   So does it become a case of you just gotta pay attention to less things? Right. You know, if you So what I want? If you wind it back all the way to   whatever, December, thirty hundred, forty hundred. So I think I saw a map,   1444   around the 14 hundreds of Europe. And I bet you most people don't even know this. If you ever go and look at a map of, Europe in the fourteen hundreds   and the various states, democracies, and countries that existed, It's like a ridiculous amount. Like, if you if they do, like, where the borders technically were supposed to be and whatever, it's out of control, like, crazy amount of of variances compared to what it is now because a lot of more amalgamations.  

At the time, I'm sure people who lived in what is currently now London or in Paris   didn't give two flying fucks what was going on, you know, a thousand kilometers away nor did it matter.   Do you think I guess, we're more of a global civilization now. Fine. Yep. Doesn't matter what's going on so much in in the wider world. I mean, probably for you, it kinda answers like, not really. Yeah. I I I dislike war. I dislike, you know That's a good start. People harming other people,  

[00:28:08] Kyrin Down:

all all of those things. But,   you know, if if you're asking me to to care about   Israel and by invading Iran or Palestine or wherever,   I I find it really hard to do that because   I don't know everything about it. And I'm not I'm not gonna spend two years of my life trying to decipher   whose side I should be on if there is a side to be on.  

[00:28:33] Juan Granados:

So Yeah. That's what I mean. I I follow that there. That's what I'm saying too. Check out. I thought it's your point, Joey. It's kinda like, you know, can you you can't really be a person to some of these things because, like, you'd go and waste all these other time doing it to try and get to that that sort of source of information. It's like, is it better at that point to just kind of okay. Right? With that video of air, should I just, like, not have watched it at all? And I wouldn't have been bothered either way.  

[00:28:55] Kyrin Down:

I mean, there's nothing wrong with consuming   just stuff in general, but I guess it's like acting upon it is the is the real thing. You know, if you're watching   video after video of rock divers,  

[00:29:08] Juan Granados:

sorry, cliff divers jumping into rocks near things and that and that inspires you to try and try it for yourself. Damn. When you die, then that could be a bit of a problem. A rabbit hole of fake videos would be would be nuts, man. Yeah. Have you have you used any AI, Joe? I have to generate,  

[00:29:25] Joey:

pictures to go along with comedy that I've written to visualize it. But the thing about AI pitches in art is comedians,   like,   I'm not sure if we're saying it out I'm not saying we, but we don't really like AI being used,   to make pictures because it is like, comedy is an art form, And equally, people drawing the art is an art form. So, like,   for example, people you once you ask for advice if ask other make convenience for advice about using AI in their show poster in Edinburgh, and everyone would be like, absolutely not. Because you're taking an artist's job equally. You say you're just as bad as everyone else sort of thing, because you should be paying a graphic designer. You give them the image that you have in your mind, and then they will make it for you. Interesting.   Yeah. So But AI is yeah. So, basically, I have used AI,   but I won't use it anymore just because that's that's where we're at at the moment. And I I haven't,   made I might use it again in the future, but just for now,   not trying to use AI in Okay. Content I create because it's like an artist looking after artist sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's a good call. Interesting.  



[00:30:30] Juan Granados:

There's a sim a similar pathway.   The,   I guess, using AI, I guess, is more so machine machine learning algo setup. But in our podcast, we haven't used any of the,   AudioLabs as one example or other ones where you can essentially clone your voice to go and create, you know,   10 episodes per week really easily so that it kinda sounds very similar to us. Maybe it's not in in the exact exact way that we might pause or laugh and everything. Yep. But, you know, to maybe a casual listener, maybe they they couldn't tell the difference. Now Yeah. They could be doing that, and I I've heard of a lot of people out there doing it. So Steve Bartlett from the DireFCR. I don't I don't know the exact way that they're doing it, but they've got a whole stream of AI podcasts that they're doing and working through and and and scaling up, like, really rapidly. I'm sure there's a ton load of other people using it. Right? I have podcast AI listeners as well, probably. Yeah. That's Maybe. Good. Maybe. Just all good while I was listening. Yeah. But, you know, part of me goes Look at my numbers. Kinda like what you're saying. Yep.   You know,   there's part of the art form of of the human, of the human creating, of the human doing that is beautiful.  

Yep. Yes. You consume I guess, with comedy,   if you're there in person, you're consuming it directly, so it's not that problem. But if you're consuming it digitally like a lot of people, well, everyone consumes for us Yep. Then   there's the question that always gets thrown in. It's like, okay. Yeah. But could you be doing a lot more with this? You know? Are you getting really that much of the human touch by us talking versus   the AI taking it? My sense at the moment is like, yeah. I I I wanna be doing this myself. I wanna be,   classifying and discussing and proposing my things that come directly from me. So if you're listening to this Yep. It's still human. Right? And I I think, eventually, it's gonna be a stamp or a value add from it being a human made product, whether it's an art form, whether it's a product, whether it's a a book. You know? Like, you got Yeah. An array of books and maybe 38% of them are all,   AI and the rest are human, but you gotta designate what it is. Yeah. Maybe they increased in value because people just play small values on on something that's, you know, man made, human made. That's what I think one of the risks is is that,  

[00:32:40] Kyrin Down:

I I'm probably not adverse, and I'd I'd actually don't like the argument of, like, protecting other art of protecting is a strong word of helping other artists because Okay. Fuck them, mate. Yeah. Well Yeah. Well, what if you ask them for to do some work for you and then they're just using AI? You know?  

[00:32:57] Joey:

It's What other argument do you have other than that?  

[00:32:59] Kyrin Down:

The other one would just be,   like, technology doesn't care. The consumer doesn't care. And if you're   intentionally handicapping yourself, it   it will come around to bite you at some point.   Now look. If it's like   a dear friend or someone and you're just cutting them out to dry   and they've been relying on you for, like, five years or you've had a really strong relationship or something. Yep. But just the general it's kinda like   the the argument of, like, they they're gonna take our jobs. It's like, well, whose job's in particular? What job in particular? How's that gonna affect that person in particular?   I I find it a bit too too vague. My my That's okay. My  

[00:33:40] Juan Granados:

my only, push against that, which is broader and maybe goes to what you're saying, Joey, is that,   like, everyone can have information. Like, if you if if Joey   wrote up and thought of these jokes. Right? You've got your jokes that you've put through.   You could give those that exact list and lines and us, like, memorize it and took it through,   and we wouldn't deliver it in the same way even if we had the exact, like, pitch and pause and way to deliver it. Because in the moment, there's, like, certain little nuances and whatnot that would be different that Joey would adjust that we wouldn't. And so, like so in my mind, what I'm just thinking is is everyone can have the information, but it's through   the the doing that you find the wisdom of doing it in the in the better way. So   with AI, at least, I found   that in the places that I do know things really well,   when I use AI, so beyond the podcast, other work stuff,   man, it's super helpful because I know relatively what it should be and towards, and that would be great. If you ask me right now to use AI, like, in a creative way, hey. Go use AI. I can go use AI and and write a book   because I don't really know the the realities, the ins and out of a book.  

I might think the product is good   and the end result,   but in the end, it probably is missing a lot   of the wisdom of humanity   to actually get it to be the right thing because maybe this is you know, you change this and you shift this around where Yep. Maybe they're not there yet. Maybe the only the only pushback on that on like, to support Joey would be, yes, you could be using AI to go and and and create the images. Yeah.   But perhaps in the process of of either yourself doing that image or asking somebody else, you might improve the process of the joke that you're writing. You might find something funny. You're like, you know, something funny will come out from that particular process. Yep. They they could be a direct, like, support of me. I go, of all, this this joke came oh, this this image came from this person. So there's, like, there's an extra level of just humanity you can add in the process   that AI removes.  

Again, I'm I'm fully supportive of AI in, like, a lot of places. Yeah. But I could see why you might be saying in creative   endeavors,   there might be some reasons as to why it would benefit.   Yeah. Even if at the outset, it looks like yeah. But you can get a lot of quantity  

[00:35:59] Joey:

out of it in that regard. Yep. Just, yeah. To quantify, just I'm just I'm just talking about AI in the comedy,   I, art space. Like, I understand, like, AI is taking jobs in other industries. I'm just talking about I'm just talking about this specific,   instance where,   a comedian who's doing their own show would, pay a graphic designer to do their poster.   And, and you sort of mentioned how,   that you could the graphic designer might just use AI themselves. Well, then you might not,   they probably wouldn't get the job. Like, I probably wouldn't hire them. Yeah. But it's interesting you bring that up because I believe that at the moment, we're sort of going through a AI wave, and I think,   what we'll see in the in the future is actual pushback against. So we're going through   AI, overcorrection sort of thing. So, like, in a couple years' time, everyone will be looking for posters which are, like, the least AI, which are the least like, the most human. They'll be looking for the most human art that they can find because they don't want  

[00:36:52] Kyrin Down:

AI. Yeah. Content is king. That that's the that's the main takeaway. So if   you're   using AI and it's, like, shoddy work   versus doing it   via, you know, graphic designers   hand drawing pixels or, you know, an artist who's creating something   spectacular. Yep. But yeah. Of course. Like, that's that's the main thing. So   I   have seen a lot of really shitty AI stuff as well. Yeah. And,   you know, what   I guess the the question is yep. Juan's AI is is backing up. Yeah. My Siri's saying he doesn't know his wife's just talking. Yeah.  

[00:37:30] Joey:

There's one day. One day I was saying that too.  

[00:37:32] Kyrin Down:

So Siri wants a fight. It would be more along the lines of   it's I I guess it's just the transparency of it for me. How much of the stuff I am I consuming   is created,   you know, by someone well, not by someone, by   a a prompter just doing, like, a real half ass effort and just creating something Yeah. Versus,   and and once again, is that a half assed effort? Are they actually Yeah. It goes it goes into a realm like because when it's  

[00:38:04] Juan Granados:

and maybe this will change into the future. I'm going broader beyond comedy. Yep. It it might change in the future where   genuinely the stuff that spits out is almost   alike to a just a brand new human Yep. With lots of humans,   human humane interaction and emotions or whatever. And and then, fuck, the conversation changes completely. But, like, if I see an ad right now, let's just say, or or a post on Instagram and I see the telltale size of what a of an AI, ChargebeeT Yeah. Equivalent,   creation is, I almost just skip it now. I almost instantaneously   as I whatever.  

I see it. But if you were to do that   and then modify it slightly as a human would and add a little bit of more fluency, then fantastic. That's still to me, that's still   your leveraging the technology and then adding the spark of humanity that makes it good. It's when it's without that or without that reasoning or the the added wisdom of the human to feel it, it's,   it's missing something still. Well, the  

[00:38:55] Joey:

the a a problem might be, that lies in that is, like, if you because I have you when you when you make   II art yourself, like, you you yourself, like, you know how easy it is to make that. It's like, I've typed in two sentences here Yeah. Yeah. And I've created a picture. So it's like and, I think people might become more drawn to, like, even better art. So it could be a great thing for this, any art industry is, like, people might be everyone will be drawn to even better and better art that's made by more and more of a human. Yeah. No. Good point. Good point. The yeah. So the last one on that would be if, if I'm like Santa Joey That's awesome.  

[00:39:26] Kyrin Down:

Stuff stuff your artist friends. You should be doing everything AI. Why would I then have any hesitation of doing what Steven Bartlett does and having a Sure.   You know, a Chiron AI doing podcast or doing book reviews? And for me, it was it yeah. It is content. And I do not have the time   to   at the moment, AI seems to and when we say I AI, we're just talking about the artist side here, not all of   the time saving of mundane tasks and and things like that. Absolutely. It's more   I do not have the time to go through it it seems to be it's really good   at quantity with a little bit of quality into it or by bare minimum quality.  

If it could   read,   I don't really read new books that come out. If I could get it to do book reviews for me   of   the, you know, the thousand new releases, the hottest thousand new releases from this last year,   would I want that? One would just be   no because I can't I don't have the time to check   all of that and see, is that something that that I would actually say? Yeah. That you'd put your, like, seal behind. Yeah. And   and then it it's also   okay, how is it, getting the new information? So let's say I read a book that was unexpected   and that actually,   I enjoyed when I didn't think I didn't enjoy it or vice versa.  

How is it gonna learn   without me actually fucking doing it to know that sort of thing in the future? And so you could just get into this repetitive cycle where it's Steven Bartlett, but he's stuck in 2024  

[00:41:06] Juan Granados:

Steven, instead of There there was actually 02/1928,   Steven. There was an interesting thing that Apple did. I I I I genuinely think Apple did this because the series sucks in relation to its,   prompting in comparison to, all the other new things that are starting to come out. So Apple,   did the right so,   if you follow AI, all of the main,   models out there, they all compare themselves against all these standards and exams and tests and whatever. Now I holy shit. It's this tip level and this level.   So Apple came up with their own tests to be like, no. Fuck you. I'm gonna we're gonna test all of you on these different tests. And the test was,   done in a way that the various algorithms have to answer   things that they could not use   existing preexisting knowledge to create. I think that some one of them was like, they call it, there's a bridge problem. There was a few other problems that they put in it, and almost every single one   could not solve it. Like, basically, every single model cannot do all of these various things and problems and assertations and,   I can't remember the exact ways that they were calling it. But it was basically Apple Apple's tests and whether exactly Apple was or this is just a social media post. It was like, yes. The algorithms can do all the great things of the existing information, but, again, put them up to a problem they cannot reason from existing logic.  

They're not that great at still.   I'm not saying it's an overhype of AI that everyone's I think AI is gonna be a fantastic thing in a lot of ways.   But it then makes me still question like you're saying that, yeah, I agree. You know? You evolve as a human day to day, week to week, whatever it may be. A new book comes out. You might like it. You might not tell what might happen. You might jump off a boat. You know? You you land interestingly in splashing your feet and you make a comment about it. You talk about comedy. You say, Joey, how shit he is. You go up on stage, like, I might go and fucking bomb out.   It changes. It change like, you you change as a human. But Dax is, like, jumping in. But that   that, like, wisdom, which is just human experience,   will always be missing in AI because how are you gonna really replace digital identity with someone with, like, in a digital way   without that continuous way now?  

You could get there. You know? What if everyone had live video feeds continuously going and you got, monitoring of all your vitals and it's picking up all these things. Okay. Then, you know, maybe it gets up. At that point, you know, are you a human? Are you, bionic at that point? Because you're kind of, like, almost immersed with with digital,  

[00:43:26] Joey:

things. So, yeah, you never know. I'd say that, last bit of what you're saying there. That I think that's a question for a couple of years away. Yeah. I think that's sort of that's a good question for a couple of years away because we're still,  

[00:43:36] Juan Granados:

still figuring this stuff out. Yeah. I've only got two brain chips. Joey's got none. Yeah.   Karen's got a couple of us. So, you know, that's why he's both. All all also just So That live thing, that live twenty four seven, I reckon, is coming. Yeah. That's coming. That's coming. That's coming hard quick. That's coming hard quick. That's coming hard quick. There's a lot of streaming and whatnot that probably I I don't even get to see about a lot of younger people. I think My are consuming a lot of live streaming. Your brother does. My brother does for sure. So I think it's coming. I think we jump into, we jump into the Boost Screen Lounge. Yeah. Have a look at some comments as well. Yeah. Yeah. There's and then I wanna touch just upon the, travel adventures that we've been Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Before we get into that, I'll just say, yeah. So but but so I think that we're before, before the realization of AI in a in a in a more fundamental sense. So I'd say, in that way, your idea of,  

[00:44:19] Joey:

AI to read the books quickly and summarize it for you and then pump it out all the time,   I think that's a fantastic idea. Just pump it out. You know, who who's to say? You know? Yeah. Ride the wave. Ride the wave. Because we're pre or we're pre over correction. Like, we're pre that point. So people don't even really fully understand yet. So you could be the to make that wave. And then a cup and that's a problem for a couple years away when people realize that, hey. AIs are everywhere, and I have I've been listening to these reviews by an AI bot. That's true. Do it now. Do it now. Write the wave. Because the the  

[00:44:45] Juan Granados:

my only challenge back to that is I think a lot of people are doing it already. Heaps of people are doing it already.   And   quantity   at our level isn't as beneficial, I would say. Like, quantity right now   isn't really gonna benefit us versus a real good quality I agree. Episodes   that would be game changers. Like, if we pumped out a 100 book reviews or a 100 episodes about random topics,   I think they're gonna get just as much   interaction as Yeah. We get today, which is fine.   But it's one, two, five Yeah. Great quality conversations that people connect with and then gets reshared and gets watched.   That, I think, at the moment, only really happens through a more human or 100%.  

Like, really baby type of AI, I guess, I I would sort of say. Yeah. For sure. So there was a couple of live comments. I'll bring I'll bring them up as well. So, we got Pat saying awesome and little half hour. I like little hand up.   Cole Cole says, love this location.   We love it too, mate. We love it too. I'm talking to this while I start my last shift at the steak house. I'm starting a new full time job tomorrow. More hours. More money. Happy to see you guys on this day. Good luck, man. Miss you, Kyren. Thank you very much, Cole. I have been,  

[00:45:59] Kyrin Down:

what would you call? A miss remiss.   Something miss in,  

[00:46:03] Juan Granados:

not keeping up to date with him over these last three weeks. Been pretty busy. So fantastic here. I'm gonna Yeah, man. More money. Man. Hope things are going well for you, man. I know I know he was wanting, a new job at some point. So that's really awesome. And I've got a boot screen. Call. What I call? Yeah. I'll call it out. It's from our, good friend, Peter. He sends Peter Slab. Slab. Congratulations, Juan. Me. All the best, man. That's in relation to my wedding, which is where we are right now. Yep. Beautiful Mykonos,   islands. In the Greece getaway. Sends a 100,000   sats. Woo hoo. Big boost. Man, thank you very much, man. That's very, very much appreciated.  

As always Peter. You and the other we do see some streaming as well coming through. Obviously, I haven't seen much more coming on the last couple of weeks. We've bay we basically haven't been doing anything. I did prerecord a lot of stuff that ended about a week ago, something like that. So you won't see any of the stuff new stuff come out for a few weeks after this. Maybe we might try and get another recording before we leave here. But Yeah. We'll we'll see. We'll just leave all the equipment   on, Joey's bed? Yeah. Correct. Correct. I don't think it's fine. I just have to deal with it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they're doing any anything. I think pegging was in the order, but   let's go see. Hopefully, they do have it live down there listening on loudspeaker too. Oh, good. She might have heard that. Yes. They might be, getting quite excited. The proposition for tonight. So we'll see we'll see how that goes. Great. Travels. We're talking about that. We're talking about travels. We're talking about pegging. Current's favorite.  



[00:47:25] Kyrin Down:

Travels. What's been going on? Favorite. So a quick catch up. So I have spent,   you know, we did our last episode   in Brisbane. I had a couple of days, then I flew out. I spent five days in London,   about   four days, five days in Hamburg   and Germany.   Went over to Poland for six days. Got some bedbugs.   Once again,   nicest place I've that I'll probably be staying this whole no. Here's nice. Wild. Here's nicer. But the nicest place I was staying this whole trip And bed bugs. And I got bed bugs in it. Hence why   I don't like expensive and nice things. Cost expensive booze, man. They mess me up.   And then I   came back to Germany, three days in Berlin,   eight days in Munich, and then flew here to Greece the other day. Mhmm. I was Joey and I were talking about this the other night.  

What makes, like, you've also been gallivanting about and seeing many cities and places.   What's your least favorite and why?  

[00:48:23] Joey:

Too many people be talking about what they like about countries. I'll I wanna say that. We need to bring the growth criticism back into   the diaspora of the world. I'm alright. So sorry. That was my little soapbox. Juan.   What do you hate, Juan? That's an interesting What is it? What's what's annoying you? I'm trying to I'm trying to think what what was the like  

[00:48:42] Juan Granados:

hate's a strong word. Yeah. It's a strong word. What is this like? Or you're ambivalent about it. Yeah. It just was like, Los Angeles. Yeah. Los Angeles. I'm a bit ambivalent slash Yeah. Kinda negative towards. I've been to Los Angeles quite a few times in my life. In fact, it's probably outside of, like, Australia and, like, living in Colombia. It's probably the plane I've been to the most. Really? Yeah. And I have cut to say that each subsequent time I've gone, I've been more depressed and saddened.  

[00:49:07] Joey:

And Screw Los Angeles, man. You know, it sucks.  

[00:49:11] Juan Granados:

Last time so the you know, before the last time I went, so the last time I went, it was alright. Like, it was okay. I was going from a road trip from Los Angeles through California, Los Angeles to San Francisco, and then over to Las Vegas.   San Francisco was kinda fine.   Las Vegas was awesome. Los Angeles at the time, I was like, it's kind of a cat. I think that was 2014,   2015, maybe around that time. And then the last time I went back was in 2023.   No. 2022.   2022, I believe. I think that's that's right.   How does this went?  

I don't see myself ever coming back here unless there's, like, a reason for me to go to LA.   I'm not involved in in in the movie business. I do music. So there might be reasons for people to go there.   I've gotta say that's probably my my   least supported city   area that I visited. I I don't know if I'd ever Yep. Find a reason to go back there again. Yeah. To be honest, that's   that's gonna be my my top one for sure. You sold me. You sold me. I'm definitely not going up going. Definitely not going there, man. That's cool. It's just it's just yeah. There wasn't the this wasn't anything.   It has tourist traps. Yeah. They weren't even worth it Yeah. To be frank with you.  

Going to   you know, the people   were okay, if not fantastic. Yep. The prices were expensive and not not a lot of great things.   It has a lot of things that you could classify it as being a good good ad, but it's not the best at. Yeah. So then,   yeah, I kinda go,   what am I doing? What am I doing here? If I if I if I want an eye life, there's there's better places. If you want cheaper food, better places. If you want Yep.   Stars or iconic locations, there's better places. Yep. So I kinda went, man, I don't see it. I don't see it. Yeah. So And that's it.   Adding it might not be popular, but It's the Very popular. Sitting in Mykonos, all those statements are very true. Yeah. The We are we are in a place where it's it's more expensive. Yeah. You probably get less choices of food. Yep. You might have more annoying people, perhaps. I still like it better. I still like it. Way better. For for, like, whatever reason. Right? Yeah. So I yeah. I don't know. It's it's, for sure, my least least favorite place. Yeah. I was gonna say the cost thing was that, you know, getting a milkshake  

[00:51:16] Kyrin Down:

that was, you know, $18   Australian.   No. It ended up a bit more than that. And it was just a milkshake for me in in in LA. That that kinda hurt because it's like,   this is just a milkshake. Like, if it was a fancy In LA as well. If it was a fancy, like, foreign country  

[00:51:35] Juan Granados:

milkshake Yep. Yep. You wanna say Yeah. Look. That's something If we're missing something about LA, tell us. If we've if we've disgruntled you and you're an LA citizen,   tell me why. Perhaps we should take you maybe you have never left LA, and that's probably why. You've never experienced anything else. But if there's a reason, like, why you think it might be good, maybe it's a vibe or something that we're missing about it. Look. We're we're completely stumped. Like, let us know in the comments, but, like, we we genuinely think that there is nothing good about   this place. We don't believe By the way, I'm gonna just say it now. At the end of this Yeah. Episode Yeah.  

Karan, you gotta tell a joke as if you were doing comedy stand up, and I've gotta tell a joke. So as we're going here Yeah. I need you to think through No one's gonna say Joey's comedy career as well. Yeah. Because   because that's that's a that's a given. That's that's not it. Juan and Carl are both gonna say that. I'm pretty  

[00:52:20] Kyrin Down:

sure. So so for me, it was, Dan Danzig Danske, as in Danske.   D a n s k Danske. With a little   tick over the end. Yep.   The reason for it and that's just from this recent trip. The reason for it was   I didn't get to experience what I would call any Polish culture. So when I went there,   food wise, they had pierogies was about the most Mhmm. Authentic thing. I did have a soup there, which was nice.   Sure. It was kinda like a a sour soup.   But other than that, like, food wise, there there was nothing. The   city itself is stunningly beautiful,   but it's like a modern   architecture.  

There was nothing like it's historical, but, you know, it got raised to the ground when the when the Nazis came through. So it's also Like, relatively in here. Yep.   I didn't stumble upon I stumble upon, like, a Polish party, a Polish,   wedding, a Polish,   people doing something uniquely Polish. Like, in Australia, you'd maybe stumble across people playing AFL in the park. Yeah. Like, all influence the culture, I guess. Yeah. And the part of the reason for that is, once again, dance is very touristy place, but I feel like I've spent enough time there. I went out enough from the city center and also to one of the beaches Mhmm. That was nearby that   there was just nothing there where I'm like, this is Poland. Like Yep. I'm I'm in Poland. This is whereas, you know, you're in Greece. You can walk along the streets. There's a straight cat. You can kinda, like Yeah. Be like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cat in Greece. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. There's differences. There's there's differences to your general average or what you normally, like, have in life. Whereas they seem so it seemed like it was neutral. Like, it it felt,  

[00:54:04] Juan Granados:

a little bit gray in its in its, in its vibe and its culture. Which is weird because it was   probably the most stunning city, at least, like, this one section along the canal Yeah. That I have been in so far. So Interesting. It's yeah. I I'm I'm kinda surprised at myself even saying that because I'm like, wow. I should what's the best? Beautiful, but didn't have any, like once once you scratch the surface, it's like, yeah. But but what? That might be a little bit of LA. Honestly, that might be something similar where it's kinda like there there's some beautiful spots of LA,   amid amidst the, smoke. But if you go up to the hills of Hollywood Hills and you look out, beautiful, beautiful homes, scratch the surface a little bit, though, and it's kinda like, where's where's the meeting here? It's kind of And transactional.  



[00:54:43] Kyrin Down:

And maybe it's just it takes too long to get into.   You know, Weezer's   songs of, you know, that's what I wanna be. Live live in   Beverly Hills, that sort of thing. You know, you need to experience that, but how can you do that as a foreigner?   Sure. It's it's not it's not easily accessible. And maybe there's, you know, amazing foodie spots, and you can do a foodie tour or things like that. But I'd   yeah. I didn't I didn't find that easy Yeah. Okay. Okay. And the easy access I did find in was   junkies   on the corner,   Venice Beach, people, like,   pulling out guns because they're getting into a fight or a potential fight. Yeah. Homeless people   whacked off of their head, are just homeless people in general everywhere. Mhmm. You know?  



[00:55:29] Juan Granados:

That all of that that Doesn't sound like you you know, if you listed them out, not an attractive Yeah. I would actually disagree. To a Dodgers game. It was fun, but it just felt very,  

[00:55:38] Kyrin Down:

I don't know, like, forced. It was it was pure, like,   entertainment to  

[00:55:45] Joey:

a t. Duh. There was not a single moment to kinda be bored, I guess. Mhmm. Yeah. Everything about it. Yeah. I I haven't personally been to LA, but I can definitely tell you that there's way too much traffic, too many people, everyone stinks.   Yeah. Lots of fires. Too many fires. Lots of Too many riots. Too many riots. Yeah. Yeah. Just too many probably too many Australians there at any given time. We had too many basketball fans, too many NFL fans. Yeah.   Yeah. LA sucks, man.   Yep. Would you like me to give my answer to the Yes. Okay. So,   obviously, LA,   if I haven't mentioned before, but, yeah. So, yeah, obviously, sitting we're all sitting here in Mykonos, lovely Mykonos, beautiful water,   you know, beautiful,   infrastructure.  

So, yeah, I think the worst place in the world that I've ever been to is 100%, without a doubt, Alice Springs.   100%. Been to Alice Springs? Yeah. I went there. I've been there once. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just like, you talk about tourist traps.   Yeah. Like, I remember going there in 02/2003, and it was 300   for a hotel   in Alice Springs. I would like someone get the calculators out because that must be, like, $20 right now for a night in Alice Springs. Right?   So, yeah, it's pretty pretty easy to sell. Like, other than LA, it's Alice Springs for me. Yeah. Yeah. Alice Nothing to do that as well if I haven't mentioned that. Yeah. I'm safe.   Yeah. The I'm getting the reason why.  



[00:57:03] Kyrin Down:

Yeah.   The the just talking about racist jokes that they land   and then it brings up Alice Springs.   Yeah. Alice Springs was it   yeah. It it was I think for me, it was more just the environment. It's the   red dirt center of,   you know, Australia slash perhaps the world. And so   you go onto a golf course there, which I did go on with my family. Scraggly.   Scraggly,   terrible golf course. Mhmm.   You go walking on the streets there.   It's just   ridiculously hot.   There was nothing there. It kinda reminds me of Guatemala City. You should fly in there Mhmm. Because it's a good place to then get to where you want to be. Somewhere else. Yep.   Which in Guatemala, is Antigua,   or May maybe Lake Coteitlan, something like that. Alice Springs, obviously, you're going to Ayers Rock or traveling around. So If you travel about 6,000 k, you'll be back in Brisbane.  



[00:57:56] Juan Granados:

Yep. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So it's a it's a quick little, morning jog or something like that, and you get back. Yeah. Good morning job.  

[00:58:03] Kyrin Down:

Yep. For sure.  

[00:58:04] Juan Granados:

Any other getaway things perhaps we should touch upon Greece? Just what we've done here. We're we're all wearing a new Greece Mykonos shirts. Yeah. We're look. We're all wearing, we bought the Aldi's today. We went out on the town Just to look like shoes? Yeah. Just to look like shoes. There's some shoelaces holding up the top of the, the shirts. Yeah. It's pretty bad. Walking shoes. It's nice.   You know, when when I go shopping from now on, I'll have to ask for the shoelace look. Yeah. But it so that'd be nice. And look. You guys, I don't think no. Neither of you have been to the other, islands of of Greece.   They're all very similar. They're all very similar. Santorini may be slightly different with the views and the the kinda, like, stacked views of all of the different,   buildings.  

But the rest of the islands are   equally the same in terms of that, how they're spaced out, maybe a little bit less populous and less markets and stuff like that in the town, but they're all one much the same. They're all very, very similar. So,   I've I've I've been through the islands before. This is the time that I've been here.   It's equally enjoyable. Obviously, very different accommodation than last time I was staying at.   I think I've I've enjoyed and I enjoy the area of Greece because,   some of the the the main the foods as well, like, the the the popular foods is your meats and your chips and your salad. I like it. I like I like I like eating that.   They seem to be okay with you drinking on the street and having a good time, aerial time. There's There's lots of parties. There's lots of music. We're on a boat ride when I was saying yesterday.  

And, you know, in a boat ride in Brisbane,   I don't think you'd be going around the, the river and coming back, and you'd be fucking hopping on the hop hopping on the boat and singing out loud mama mia. Like, unless you're on a party boat, you're not doing that. This was a, like, really just a a boat to go to a a place to swim and and go see some ruins. It was not advertised as a It wasn't advertised as a party boat, and we're we're coming back. You know, my mom's dropping it low. I, like, smashed.   Alright. This is good. This is really good. We always lost people coming off the boat Yeah. And how wavy it was. There has been mysterious bruises appearing on people's legs. Exactly. So, you know, it's it's like,   I like it for the energy it brings. It it is Grecian in a way. Right? You you you can't not tell that you are in an island or in Mykonos, right, or in the in the,   Greek space. So I like it for that for that reason. I've been enjoying it the same. I mean, in in the past trip, they'll have this in this particular go around,   France and Italy,   all of them have been good in the sense that when I was in Italy, I did feel like Italy. When I was in France, it definitely felt like France, you rude motherfuckers.  

So it's all been good, and Greece hasn't disappointed.  

[01:00:32] Joey:

Yep. Very good. Very good. Yeah. On my flight here, a couple of, people on a plane were asking,   if people were traveling to Greek to Mykonos. And if people said they were going to Mykonos, it would be like death stares. Like, they pee the locals don't want you going to Mykonos. And I can can I say to anyone who has that feeling, like, Mykonos is the best. Alright?   The haters are wrong. Mykonos is awesome. I'm sure this is just as beautiful as the rest of Greece.   Mykonos is great.  

[01:00:58] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I've, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. It, surprised expectations,   especially in terms of, like,  

[01:01:04] Joey:

price of things. It I think it's helpful to get told, like, it's really expensive, and then you find an awesome bakery and it's like, that's Good prices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Nothing's to surprise you, which is awesome. Like, you come here knowing that the things are gonna be very expensive. So you can prepare for that. So, like, you like I say, you know, you get a bakery, and the the roll was we paid $3 for one of the most beautiful,   Navarre and, yeah, garlic de pout de corps. Really nice,  

[01:01:27] Juan Granados:

bakery desserts for a good price. For sure. Yeah. I look yeah. It's a good weekend. Look. If you if you go to expensive places, it's gonna be expensive. Don't don't get me wrong. Yeah. Just couple of beaches away, there's, like, the the most expensive place in The Netherlands where you got the yachts that come in Yeah. Thousand dollar bottles that you gotta buy,   €100   beds that you gotta pay for. If you go to those places, sure. You can do it. Same I mean, same thing you can go. The worst place you can go to, LA.   You can find equally very expensive fucking shit   and, you know, not having a good time with it. Yeah. So But you You pick your poison. You at least can pick your poison Yeah. In in a roundabout way.  

Is it for someone who's, like, very poor if you're like, I've only got $3. Not really. You'll be on the street like a gypsy Yep. Begging for money. Right? But, again, if you're gonna go to, places that,   somewhat you need to pay because it's an island. It's remote. You gotta get food to the location and everything. Yep. Kinda is a given. So because it's a given and it's still okay relatively priced, again,   yeah. It's it's good. It's good for that. For sure. For sure. I think I think we, we ended with the, the comedy jokes. The comedy jokes. Oh. Kyren? So is it gonna be all three of us? Or is it just us two and then I think I think me and Karim will do one. And then, Joey, you hit us with with your best one to kinda, like,   land the finalizer. This will be my best joke ever. I promise you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This I'll go if you've got if unless you've got one off the top of your head. Martin, easy one. Here you go. Here you go. I thought about this the other day of, like, what what do I say as the opener? What's, like, the opening joke to try and, like,   landed, make it funny, set the scene about, like, what sort of humor I bring? I want to say,   thanks for coming, everyone. I haven't yet, and I hope so later tonight. But right now, we're gonna do some jokes on mine. That's how I sort of begin. Right? Do that in a gay club, man. That would be great.  

Okay. So that is that probably where the environment You do that in a gay club. That is standing ovation,   sucked off on the spot. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Bum rushed   on the stage. Yeah. Okay. Well done. If you told me it was a gay club, but thanks for coming. Yep. I haven't yet. So please put your hand up if you wanna be my date. Good good rhythm. I'll give you that 10 out of 10. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Careful what you ask for. 10 sucks out of 10. Careful careful what you ask for. You will get sucked. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. If,  

[01:03:39] Kyrin Down:

so I was I was trying to, like, work out a whole routine in my head here. So to go for fifteen minutes. So No. Okay. Not fifteen minutes. You don't have to go fifteen minutes. I would probably yeah. I think I think try and start off strong with,   a a small joke or no. More of a story. I'm I'm probably more of a joke   storyteller. Okay. So, you know, I guess you could call me as equivalent to,   Dave Chappelle.   But but for me, I'd probably I'd probably start off with something like   so I walked into a Greek bakery,   when I was on my last travel.  

Lovely Greek gentleman there. Plenty of brown hair showing through his shirt. You know, try and paint a picture of what's happening. And he, thing he says to me is,   are you gay?   And I went, am I gay? And he's like, yeah. Are you okay? And I'm like, oh, I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure. I'm okay.   And I'd realized   I'd committed a social faux pas   in Greece of all places.   I realized instead of asking and asking back the question, I should have sucked him off on the spot as one would have done at his gay comedy club. Yeah.   But this big club is I I embarrassed him in the face. I embarrassed myself. You embarrassed yourself. And then I would probably lean into other stories of me,   being with Aussies, doing   in other countries, and the absolute horror and   disgust I've seen on other people's faces as I bring my culture to their their wonderful lands. Yeah. The so one one thing I think that  

[01:05:12] Juan Granados:

so the like, I think That was true. I would've had a I would've had a little bit of a giggle. And when I said, I think I would have had a bit of a giggle. Right?   But I think when it's the funniest   or at least when I think the comedy is in its truest form and is is good,   is when it connects with   the rest of the audience in a way. And I felt like when I just said then, like, really try like petting. Like, when I said it and what you said   kinda comes from our experience, and I think people would find that funny. There's, like, funniness to be found. But when you can do comedy that is it's a connection to, like, oh, yeah. You would know this because you might have experienced it before. And I'm thinking the the Dave Chappelle's or the others were, like, you know, the famous one. I'm thinking of Dave Chappelle where he's like, you know,   Tara's on the on the plane. You You know, I'm sitting there, and I see my other black friend on the other side. And we look at Chappelle,   and he goes   and he's like, alright. And and the woman sounds like, oh my god. They're gonna rush the terrorists.  



[01:06:11] Joey:

It's so authentic. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. That's brilliant.  

[01:06:14] Juan Granados:

Fuck no. We we know. This means Yeah.   We're the black guys. They should tell me. They're not gonna get us. Yeah. The terrorists do not capture black guys.   So good. And it's all about the thing. Right? But, like, that, I would imagine with black guys listening to the news and the reality of it, at least at the time, I'm like,   man, I feel like that connects with everyone. Like, everyone understands it. And I   yeah. If I could redo it, I'd be like, oh, I feel like I might change mine a little bit. I don't know if you would, like, connect it in a way, but I think that's when it gets like, oh, shit. That's,  

[01:06:45] Kyrin Down:

like, peak comedy or something to that. That that's where the experience comes in, right, Joe? You there's things where you, like, you write it and you're laughing to yourself, I imagine. Thinking this is funny. You try and deliver it. Nothing happens. And then just a throw away throw away line that you were not expecting absolutely. Is what, like, lands on. I should quit and then fuck so many people laugh.  

[01:07:04] Joey:

Alright. Joseph, hit us. Yeah. It's alright. So I haven't really told you these guys before, but I've, like, I have a family member on my dad's side of the family   who made a lot of money through gambling.   Yeah. Yeah.   So much money.   He made so much money.   But, yeah, my my, uncle Stumpy   was a problem gambler.   Like, he lost a leg on a multi.  

[01:07:29] Kyrin Down:

Oh, boy.   Nice.   Brilliant.   Brilliant.   That would maybe  

[01:07:37] Juan Granados:

not work internationally because I feel like Yep. I don't think it would I don't think it would They call it something else in Europe. They didn't call it multis. They call them And I'm not sure they'd call it legs either.   Yep. Yep. Yep. But very well done. I gotta chuckle. Yep. Thank you very much, Asif. Yes. Anything Anything? Any lasting words? LA sucks. Alex Spring sucks. Dunk sucks.   Very good. Mykonos good. Mykonos good. Mykonos good. LA sucks. There's Dunks.   But who cares? Who cares? Shit. Shit. Shit. Dunks. Dunks sucks. Dunks. Man says, are you gay? You suck him off. You say gay. You suck him off. Yeah. You you go, that's a place where you really need to suck.   Fine.  



[01:08:13] Kyrin Down:

Alright. So this is it, everyone. Thank you for joining in. We will be back probably in I'm gonna say, like, maybe three weeks' time if Juan gets back home, and then we can organize perhaps a, I will still be traveling for another month in a bit. So,   hopefully, three weeks ish time,   and maybe we can do a monthly goals or something   at that same time period. Correct.   So a couple of maybe, like, prerecorded   slash live ish ones coming up, and they are I'm not sure we're gonna have much,   leeway in terms of notifying you beforehand. So stay tuned. We'll we will be back certainly within two months' time. That's for sure.   But in terms of all the other things, I'm not sure about. Thank you very much for everyone joining in. Tuning in later if you're all there. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Joey says thank you. Juan says thank you. I wanna be immortalized. Be immortalized. Be immortalized.  



[01:09:04] Juan Granados:

Be well. Juan, out. Going out. Joey out. Joey out. Joey out.   Good.