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Is learning coding the same thing as learning Spanish or German?

In Episode #386 of 'Musings', I discuss: my recent chat with Dave Jones, how I learnt Spanish/German but failed with Python, why I believe that the differences between the languages are greater than the similarities, human-human communication vs human-computer, some helpful tips to think about whilst learning them and why Chat GPT is diminishing the need to learn a programming language.

Huge support from McIntosh, Cole McCormick, Adam Curry, Petar & some anonymous boosters. Also a make good is needed as I missed Dave Jones & Chad F's boostagrams. Might be our most varied list ever, amazing!

Timeline:
(0:00) - No Juan again :'(
(0:44) - Why this topic?
(2:56) - Definition & my experiences
(7:02) - Similarities
(13:23) - Differences
(23:38) - Boostagram Lounge
(37:21) - Chat Comments
(38:56) - Learning methods
(48:22) - Summary
(54:32) - Housekeeping
(1:03:11) - V4V: So much you can do


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We can be.
Welcome Mere Mortalites

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to another round
of the musings episodes.

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You only have Kyrin here today
on Wednesday 10th of May.

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As we all know,
Juan has had a baby recently,

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but with some exciting news that
he might be coming back soon.

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You're going to have to check
and wait until the end

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when I'm doing some housekeeping
to know more about that.

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A musing session
and episode is where we Or

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in this case, I pick a topic
and delve deeper into that.

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I have a fair few notes
and a bit of research

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that I've done today,
and it's definitely more

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on the deeper side of things,
but no conversation.

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But there might be a light
hearted touch here and there,

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so I will jump into it. And today
I'm going to be talking about

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coding versus spoken languages
or human languages.

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So in particular, this is linked,
I guess to my yearly goal

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and it's something
that has just been coming up

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recently for me
in a couple of different areas.

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So the yearly goal, so
one of my yearly goals for 2023

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was to understand basic coding
is what I had written down

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and in particular I had a fair
stab at Python in this year

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and I've still got
three four months left of this

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of my kind of calendar year.
Four yearly goals to to still

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try and do some more of that.
But you'll, you'll understand

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why I might not be pursuing that
as much soon. This is I suppose

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triggered I guess by my recent
thoughts on why it hasn't

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actually captured my attention.
So like I said, I have been

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attempting this a fair few times
and you'll see in the next slide

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that comes up
or the next image on your screen

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that there was a couple of books
that I read on this and

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just the whole process of it
never, never captured me,

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which I found really interesting
because I thought, okay,

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the human language,
I know I enjoy doing that.

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I've picked up Spanish
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and my German is getting into,
I'd say, a very good beginner.

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And I just thought, okay,
like coding the, you know,

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programing languages.
It is another language.

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Surely this is something
that I will find interesting.

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I'll be able to pick up
and it will be it will have

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it'll be similar to to learning a
a another language,

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a human language.
And yeah, once again,

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just I'll have a bit of a
definition, some

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similarities, some differences
and even some of the

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learning styles.
Before I summarize on my general

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thoughts on on this issue.
So just stay tuned for that.

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And then this was also once again
triggered by my chat

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with Dave Jones recently,
and I was asking him,

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okay, how much of this is kind
of linked to creativity?

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Is is maybe one of the reasons
I was struggling a little bit

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with the coding language
is the programing languages

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with Python. Is it because I'm
kind of an uncreative person

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and this is why. So yeah,
all of this

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is kind of mixed up in together
and that's

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basically what I'm going to be
going over on this episode.

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So let's jump into,
I suppose, the definition

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and my experience
so you can kind of know where

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I'm coming from.
So the definition,

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all of the language.
I looked this up

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before was a structured system
of communication, primarily

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through grammar and vocabulary.
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we obviously have
the human languages

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and this typically originates
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from different countries,
but dialects

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are also mixed in with this.
So I think of things

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like Mandarin, Arabic
or Icelandic of English,

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of Spanish, German. You know,
every country basically

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has their own version of it.
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where English is, you know,
American, English, UK, English,

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Australian, English,
New Zealand, English,

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those sort of variations.
Typically, there is

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about 5 to 7000 human languages.
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they I'm not sure exactly how
they have separated these up.

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And, you know,
what's the difference

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between Spanish and you know,
Catalan or Catalonian

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or what's the difference
between Spanish from Colombia

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and from Spain?
Are they still considered

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the same Spanish,
even though there are

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some major differences, like
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in the Latin, Spanish
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in the Spanish from Spain.
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this kind of weird mix, midway
one in Argentinian Spanish,

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or are they all the same?
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I don't know all these things,
but 5 to 7

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is about as about right.
And I didn't look this up

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particularly, but I can't imagine
that there is

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that many programing languages.
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a couple of hundred at most.
Once again, barring

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Do you consider Python
with Spanish the kind of Spanish

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version of Python where they have
just replace some of the words

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with with Spanish words,
the English words

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with Spanish words?
Is that a different programing

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language?
I'd say probably not. But once

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again, I don't know. This.
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they have writing systems
and it's for preservation

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of sounds and signs.
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languages over the millennium,
you know, the caveman

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back in our distant,
distant ancestors

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that had some sort of language
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they would try and create
some sort of system which would

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go with this language as well.
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to into that point, I guess.
So you know, the Romans,

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they had the, you know,
Arabic numerals,

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which they kind of
took from elsewhere, I believe.

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But then they have their own
system of writing things down.

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And, you know,
people in Greece did and people

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in Mesopotamia and, you know,
all these sorts of things.

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So there is this kind of idea
that they

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they will have a writing system
attached to it

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because typically human language
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was probably spoken first
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came afterwards. This is going
to be very different from prior

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programing languages unless,
you know, there was some savant,

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very autistic person
who was saying things

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in brackets and stuff
before, you know, semicolon

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bracket bracket, what, what.
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that made it into coding.
Alan Turing perhaps.

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Who knows the guy so well,
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before I came into this,
I learned Spanish

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to a reasonable degree
for those wondering.

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It was probably around the B
to say one level, I guess

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certainly not fluent,
very conversational. Go check out

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Rosenthal's in Spanglish
for my book reviews on YouTube

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or reviews and in Spanglish,
which is the kind of English

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subtitle you might might be
it might be findable on.

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And you can kind of get
a fair idea of of what

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my my Spanish was. And then
my goal for learning German

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was to improve the podcast
because there are quite

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a few things
which can be automated

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podcasting wise
and and a lot of it uses

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RSS feeds.
A lot of this can be created

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in, in this manner.
So that is, I suppose, my,

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my basic starting point.
And then it's,

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okay, let's, let's get into
maybe what are some of the

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similarities to to begin with
and I'm I'm definitely going

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to probably take the argument
that they are more different

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than they are similar,
this being a programing language

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and a human language
or a human spoken language.

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But I'll I'll try and,
you know, Steelman

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the argument of why
they are similar.

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So here's a couple of the points
that I came up with. So what I've

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noticed is once you unlock one,
the process of acquiring

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another is simplified.
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another language,
and I'm going to say this as an

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adult rather than as a child,
because I'm not sure

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the carryover is that great
of of being able to

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if you learn Spanish like one
did when he was a little neno

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when he was, you know
what, 0 to 9,

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he was learning Spanish and then
nine to whatever he was learning

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English here in Australia.
I don't think that helped him

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for his future ventures.
In trying to learn French,

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it's not like
the learning process was a was

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had an addition to it.
But as an adult, once

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you go through that process,
I do believe that getting

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the next language after that
you've learned the process of

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of learning the language.
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heard very much similarities
when once you get

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a programing language,
you can kind of spend you know,

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a modicum of time and be able to
to get another one of them.

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So this is jumping to my little
point number three here,

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which was I've heard
stories of programmers picking

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up a new language in a week.
I don't know if that's true.

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I just assume that is true.
It sounds plausible to me,

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and this is definitely plausible
and possible. I think

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if you have another language,
a human language,

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this being the case where
you can pick up another language

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probably pretty quickly,
if you have English

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and then Spanish, for example,
I do believe that

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getting another one is another
one of the romance languages.

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So this being Romanian,
of Italian, of French, and

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I believe this one more Latin,
I guess, maybe not Latin,

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you can get another one of those
relatively easy it,

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it won't be perfect.
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sure these programmers
who can learn another language

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in a in a week,
it won't be perfect but

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I think there is Yeah, there's
potentially a similarity there.

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And then even in the crazy
case of this guy

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who learned Icelandic in a week,
I believe if you just type

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in like Icelandic in learning
Icelandic in one week,

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there's this guy who was kind
of a savant at languages, very,

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very much a unique outlier
who spent one one week

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learning Icelandic.
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that he had learned it,
he went on live television

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in in Iceland and spoke it.
So it is kind of possible.

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And I think the similarities
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two of them in that one respect
is is perhaps is perhaps valid.

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I think
both of them can be gamified.

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So in particular,
the learning process of this,

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I mean, Duolingo is obvious,
just gamification

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to the max of learning a
another human language.

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You have a kind of path,
you get gems and rewards.

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If you don't do it
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and keep your streak up,
you lose your strength

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or you get penalties
and things like this.

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Obviously very gamified.
When I was starting off

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with Python and the two books
that I was looking up,

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which were Algorithms for
Dummies and Coding for Beginners

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using Python by Louie Stowell,
That's the second book

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in Algorithms
for Dummies by John Mueller

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and Luca Messer on
that was games in included

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in these you could create
these little mini games of Pong

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for example of
I'm sure you can create a snake

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and you can draw things.
It's very much

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in the kind of culture
of, of coding, learning, coding,

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especially for kids.
You create games,

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you create these fun things,
Oh, let's do this, let's do that.

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And so much of the human language
learning that I've seen through

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especially something like
Duolingo, but I believe in even

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actual classes and whatnot.
There is

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this kind of gamification
you can level up and win things.

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So there's there's
that kind of similarity

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and it also requires
active attention.

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You're not going to pick up
a Python or C++

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or something like that
if you're not actively looking

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and trying to learn
what is going on.

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Very much similar
to learning a human language,

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you can't
learn it through osmosis

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by simply
listening to it as you sleep,

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or even just
being in another country.

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I think there's a there's kind
of a misnomer or a false

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a false assumption
that a lot of people have,

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which is,
Oh yeah, it's so much easier

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to learn a language
in another country. Yes and no.

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Hell no. So it's kind of it's
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easy in that example,
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from merely very difficult
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I suppose, where it does

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require active attention.
Just because you're in Spain

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and living in Spain,
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you're going to pick up Spanish.
Now you have to practice it

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with other people.
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on your own learning the grammar
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and translations and whatnot,
much like you can see probably

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wherever you are in the world.
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there are some people who live
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that way from me and they
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or of some Asian descent.
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because I can't speak with them.
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and they have been here for
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and you know, this portion

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where it's like, okay,
just because you're there,

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it doesn't mean you're just
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No, it does
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I believe this is the case
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So there are a fair few
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But what are some of
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And here we go.
This is probably where

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I'm going to start, like
getting into it

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and start to start really
showing my my true colors

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of what I believe here.
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the knowledge slash concept
when you are using

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a human language.
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German or Spanish,
I already know what it is

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that I want to say
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trying to figure out
how to get that across

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in this other language.
Now this can become

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more complicated in some cases.
The the translation is really,

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really easy. And, you
know, if you wanted to say I have

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a book in and in English,
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I have a book or you say tango
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The translation is direct,
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Whereas in programing,
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when I was coming into it,
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or concepts that I kind of
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when I was doing it, a lot of it
was trying to figure it out

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as I was writing things down.
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when I had the kind
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I know what the Fibonacci
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three, five, eight, you know,
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the previous number
onto the next one

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to to get the next one.
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I suppose in my
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of what I wanted in my mind, but
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steps of how I would get there.
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to learn to do this
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where I could type in, you know,
give me the 16th number

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in the sequence,
I was essentially trying to

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to figure out that knowledge
of, of creation

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in, in the process of
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It was kind of like
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and I was hoping something
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Whereas typically when you're
learning another language,

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you know what you want to say.
I know I want to say it's really

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cloudy outside.
I already have all this inbuilt

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just with my native language
and so I am just trying to

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translate and modify thoughts
that I already have. Now

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there is an
argument I think you could make

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where once you get
to a next level of fluency

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in Spanish or in German
or in Russian or whatever,

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that having that language unlocks
a new way

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of being able to say things
which you can't say

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in your native language.
This is definitely true

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in Spanish.
There's a couple of things

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that I can express much better
in Spanish, which I don't feel

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have the same effect in English.
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you have to go through
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of learning the language.
And this takes years

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and years and years,
and then you can kind of

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get this this next benefit,
this, this ability

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to create something new.
Whereas I feel like

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encoding the Spanish, encoding
if you're already

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at that level of of it's
something completely new

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and you're trying to figure
out this figures, figure

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this thing out and express it.
And I just, I just think there's

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a big difference
between those two where it's

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in the human language,
you already have the knowledge,

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this concept in the other
coding programing language,

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you don't have that.
And so you're trying to

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to kind of get that.
The next one was,

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I suppose, communication
between them is, is you're

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kind of doing it with a machine.
I feel that's one of the biggest

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deals that that's going on.
So you're not communicating

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with another person, I suppose.
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if I go back to the definition
of language, it's a structured

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system of communication.
Now, communication, I believe

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by default requires two people.
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communicate with yourself,
but you're not going to learn

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programing or a coding or a
another language,

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another human language
to communicate

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more with yourself. So what?
But obviously another entity

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is being involved here.
And in this case, it's it's

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not with another person.
You're doing it with a machine.

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And so code is not explained
to another human with more code.

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For example, machines interact
between the two of them with,

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with code and binary
and you know, the digital

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one often zero kind
of off sort of silicon based

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computer chips and
whatnot that they're made of.

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But if I was going to compare
the coding, you know,

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let's say I had Python,
I was fluent in Python,

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would I use Python to
communicate with another human?

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Well, I could try and speak this
to another person face to face.

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Okay, that's
obviously not going to work.

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I could write this code
and share it with them,

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but they're not going
to necessarily.

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If we're talking about the code,
we're not going to communicate

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in in Python,
we're going to communicate

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in whatever
out our native languages

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or shared language.
They're speaking Spanish,

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I'm speaking Spanish,
and we're commenting on the code.

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So I think there is this
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a chat GPT. I can use that
to generate code

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with the machine through my
kind of native language.

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So I talk to it in English
and I say, Hey, chat CBT,

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I want you to create a program
that will download code

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or create a script
that will download

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every JSON file
that is in this RSS feed.

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Something like I have asked it
and attempted it to do

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and I want you to,
to create this in in Python

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so that I can just copy this
into my, my kind of python idea.

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What I think it was
called an idea.

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I've already forgotten it
and you press the stop button

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and it will run
and it will be able to do this.

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And here,
here's the link to the RSS.

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Once again,
I do all of that in Spanish,

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and I'm not doing that at all
in English in my case,

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and I'm not doing that in my
writing to it in in Python.

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So I think there is
a massive difference

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just with human languages.
They're obviously going

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to be human to human
or that is kind of the express

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purpose of it.
I don't learn German to be able

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to speak to a machine,
whereas with Python or with,

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you know, I pups
plus or any of the JavaScript,

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whatever typescript,
whatever you want,

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you are going to be using this
to communicate with the machine.

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So I think that
there is a big difference there,

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and I'll explain why
in the summary, why I think

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that has a massive impact.
Now another one and kind of

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I had to limit myself
to just three,

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otherwise I would have gone
overboard was when it doesn't

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work, you're screwed.
So if you are

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writing something in Python
and you make a misspelling error,

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you miss a space
when you should have had one,

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or you put a space
when there shouldn't be one

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and you run the program,
it will not work.

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There will be read error
messages. Bryant Brown. Brown.

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You know, stuff is is happening
and it's not working well.

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Whereas if you have a human
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you can still have very stodgy
Spanish and still communicate

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and communication
can still happen.

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Is it going to be
the optimal degree?

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No, but it's not going to be
this kind of zero or one.

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It works
or it doesn't doesn't work. Know,

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you can have immaculate code,
but with one bug

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it can be useless.
Whereas you can have very,

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very dodgy Spanish
and with many, many bugs and,

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you know, mispronunciations
of putting verbs and

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and subjects in the wrong order
of having a mistranslated word

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where you wanted to say,
I don't know.

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BLOCK And you instead
said block or block or blocker

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or whatever. And this
you can still have

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this miscommunication going on.
You can still have

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the other person understand what
what it is that you're trying

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to communicate and vice versa.
If you're at a lower

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level than them,
they can still say

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a lot of things at you
and you might not understand

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every single word.
I don't understand

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every single word
when someone speaks in Spanish

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with me, but I understand 95%.
And that allows for really good

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communication.
I have had conversation

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where I understood 20%
and I still kind of got

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what they were trying to say,
even though obviously the nuance

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and whatnot is
is much diminished, if not lost.

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So there is this big difference.
I think once again, it's

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this kind of off
and on type of deal where it's

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yeah, it it just won't work
If you if you've got bugs,

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the machine doesn't have the kind
of common sense,

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the ability to interpret
things in a

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in a kind of generous manner,
whereas people can do that

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when you're communicating
with someone else via email

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and this can be in written,
in written

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I when I say human language
and I say spoken language,

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I also do mean
that you can write this thing

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to other people and and whatnot
and you know, encompassing

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the whole of it.
So it's not just the

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auditory form, although that is
obviously the most common,

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but you can still have this
written down in Spanish books,

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for example, or in emails or,
you know, plaques or whatever.

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So there's a couple of things to
to just chew on there.

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I suppose I'm going to maybe
jump into the Boostagram

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Lounge here
and we'll then get into the next

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section afterwards of why
the learning methods

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are different to summary
and the housekeeping,

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But onto the Boostagram Lounge.
Well, okay, we've had a lot of

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support this week and it's,
it's great.

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I'm very appreciative of
and I'm going to just say

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at the front,
if I do miss someone,

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please forgive me
because I have been

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changing up our systems.
And you would have heard this

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in the chat
that I had with Dave Jones,

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where I've included one
a lot more people in the splits

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and to I've included
kind of redundancy

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so I can see boostagrams
with within various sections.

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This is,
this has been helpful, but

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it's also causing me
some dilemmas because now

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all it's kind of like all three
different methods that I had

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for checking this have captured
some and not captured others.

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So I'm just going to do this
the best way I can.

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So I'm going to first jump on
into Fountain where I have my

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kind of fountain, wallet, wallet.
It's set up and I can see a few

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boosts coming in.
So on May 5th, we have Cole

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McCormick, one of America Plus,
and he says sent in 15,555.

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Boom. Cole,
thank you so much, my friend.

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He says, I'm
holding on to the story

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that the biggest companies
and brands were made during

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the worst economic
times, trials and tribulations

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and tensions and obstacles.
We literally have lightning

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in the palm of our hands.
Keep building value, brother.

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More value will flow
as you continue

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to follow your instinct.
Thank you, my friend. You.

451
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,880
He's probably there
talking about the just value

452
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,759
for value section
that I was doing

453
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,640
of the last episode, which was
How did I survive the Aussie

454
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:12,000
Wildlife All Lost Musings
episode, I should say. And so

455
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:13,079
yes, I am working hard on this.
I am going to come out

456
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:16,559
with the next season
of the Value for Value podcast

457
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,880
in the next month of some in
May, as in May is what

458
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,160
I will say. And yeah, I'm
going to keep working on that.

459
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,839
I'm going to continue
following my instinct

460
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:27,920
and my instinct
is screaming to me

461
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,680
that value for value
is going to be

462
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,000
bigger in the future
and I want to be help.

463
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,599
I want to help propagate that
and be one of the people who who

464
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,839
who has helped that.
So I'm going to keep jumping on

465
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:42,000
to here. And Cole comes in again
on May 8th,

466
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240
and this is with my chat
with Dave Jones.

467
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,319
And he says, In regards to peak
social media, there has

468
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:51,599
definitely been a change.
I think the main apps

469
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,880
are more info media.
I use Twitter

470
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,119
and YouTube to learn. Mostly it's
hard to know what to post,

471
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,160
but it's about the info
being shared.

472
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,359
Facebook is all family
photos in my world.

473
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,839
I want more humans though
more experiences.

474
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:07,079
Scrolling should be productive,
not consuming. Very true. Cole.

475
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:11,160
It is, I think, becoming
a lot more stock. The differences

476
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,759
between the two of them or two
of them, between all of them.

477
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,079
And I am starting to appreciate
now more, especially with one

478
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:23,160
having a baby
going on to his Instagram

479
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:25,720
stories and his Instagram
page and saying, okay, like,

480
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,519
wow, this is this is great.
This is where I do want

481
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,960
these small snippets of photos
to find their way to me

482
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:37,039
on Twitter. I do want to have
info and whatnot,

483
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,680
but it is the this kind of peak
social media

484
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,119
that Dave Jones was talking
about was basically the idea

485
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,559
that we've hit the stage where
we have hit too much information

486
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,559
and it is the experiences on
these places are getting

487
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:54,680
just distorted and weirded out.
And you know,

488
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:58,519
what's the reason for this
could be partly due to them or

489
00:26:55,039 --> 00:27:00,359
running on an advertising model
which is just going to, you know,

490
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,319
drive click bait and thumbnails
of of weird stuff of

491
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:08,640
of generating
controversy and drama and hate

492
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:09,680
because that gets more eyeballs
and then that gets more

493
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,279
advertising money and revenue
and whatnot for them.

494
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,200
You know, could it just be we've
gotten used to the digital medium

495
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,000
and then we're now kind of,
you know, it because it's

496
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,640
infiltrating everywhere
into our lives, into our work,

497
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,039
into our,
you know, pleasure time with

498
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,920
with other friends and whatnot.
Maybe it is

499
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,000
we're just going like, okay,
we need to step back.

500
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,799
But I think there is an idea
that, yeah, you know,

501
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,920
perhaps we have reached
peak social media

502
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,279
and you could be totally wrong.
Perhaps we have got more to go

503
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,279
and that we're all going
to get sucked into the machine.

504
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,799
Who knows?
So we boosted 4444 SATs there.

505
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,279
I'm going
to have to check on you, Cole,

506
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,839
because I think you're getting
get reasonably close

507
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:57,559
to getting a shirt soon.
I think with some of those.

508
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:01,720
Let me I can quickly jump onto
the Miyamoto's website here.

509
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,880
So if you go to the Memorials
podcast dot com slash supporter,

510
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,440
you can see how much you have
boosted in over or the the total

511
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,240
how much you boosted in across
all three shows value for value

512
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,920
memorials
and models, book reviews and

513
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:25,240
these are all
you know collated by myself and

514
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:28,279
I can just jump down here and I
see Cole is on to Twitter

515
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,920
now is not that high
So 7880 call.

516
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,960
If you get up to 100,000
sites, mate,

517
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,240
we will be sending you a memo,
those t shirts.

518
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,319
So that'll probably jump up
to around 2030 something there.

519
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,759
So, yeah, just, just keep,
keep plugging away, man.

520
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,880
And Yeah, yeah, if you want that
shirt, just keep boosting in

521
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,119
and streaming it
because I believe

522
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,039
or actually know
these are just boost

523
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,440
we sorry if we don't have
the streaming amounts also

524
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,920
but we have McIntosh here
who posted in about a day ago

525
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,519
and he says welcome to 2100 sites
and he says welcome to the world

526
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:09,279
one's daughter.
I will throw on my prediction

527
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,279
that by the time you turn 21
and five, halving

528
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,960
cycles, Bitcoin will be used
by 50% of the world.

529
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:18,000
People in the so-called
industrial nations who don't use

530
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:21,319
thought of as Luddites
and one Bitcoin

531
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:24,960
in the 500000 to 1
million USD value current value,

532
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:27,240
not hyper inflated value.
The dollar has become in

533
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:31,200
brackets there.
Oh, and after a lot of turmoil

534
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:34,559
like bricks nations trying
their own currency, Bitcoin

535
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,839
is the reverse reserve currency.
Macintosh Well, there you go.

536
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:39,599
Little one's baby daughter.
I'm not going to name

537
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:43,359
her, by the way.
That is Juan's privilege

538
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:46,359
as as the as the father.
And so I'm going to make sure

539
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:50,759
I keep tight
lipped on on her name. But, yes,

540
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:53,400
she has a very interesting world
to look forward to based on

541
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:56,000
Mackintosh's prediction that
in 21 and

542
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,880
so at 21 years until Bitcoin is
is at a pretty pretty high

543
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:06,480
price there. Now, this isn't
a booster, Graham, but

544
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,880
I'm just really enjoying this.
So I'm just going to kind of

545
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,519
read out every everything
that has come in.

546
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:18,599
So Susan Galarza, who has a show
called Girls in Calabar,

547
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,640
which is in German,
a I believe it means like

548
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,640
the stock exchange
or the markets kind of

549
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,119
I did kind of learn this once,
but it's just a word

550
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:29,519
that it's a bit beyond my
my current German.

551
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,480
I don't really need to know
stock stocks

552
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:35,480
and markets at the moment,
but it has could

553
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,960
well become that way for me.
Bitcoin has to reach the status

554
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,119
of digital gold with a market
cap around ten X of the current

555
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,559
before I will think about
anything else. Some people

556
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,759
talk about this already,
but we are not there yet.

557
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,000
BTC is still very small
compared to the gold market cap,

558
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,519
so that was him
responding to Mackintosh's

559
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
comment that very, very cool.
I love this.

560
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,119
We have and man, this is such
a great joy to see you again.

561
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:03,000
Peter. This lab 7777 sats
sent in 3 hours ago.

562
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:05,960
Dave Pod bro Jones
Keeping it real

563
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,359
double finger peace sign emoji.
Peter It's glad to see

564
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,759
you're still around, mate.
I know you have been missing

565
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,319
for a while. I would love to know
the reason for that.

566
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,240
Was it Me What did I do?
I'm sure it was

567
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,680
something I did stupid. But
it is great to

568
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960
see you back and thank you
once again for your support.

569
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:32,000
You are by far and away
out ahead of the

570
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:34,960
of our ranking systems.
I can tell you how much

571
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,599
you actually have sent in to us.
And this is not even including

572
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,759
all the streaming amounts
you're at 1,742,150.

573
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,559
You've been a massive supporter
of the of the show. Peter,

574
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,480
thank you so much, my friend.
I really, really do

575
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:50,480
appreciate that.
So that's just all the stuff

576
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:53,519
I can see in Fountain now
because I have

577
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:58,680
so totally strange also enabled.
I can go into my Discord

578
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:59,400
where I have a bot set up
which should

579
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,799
capture every single one,
but it's been dodgy

580
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,599
and it's only captured
a couple of them.

581
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,720
But it did capture one which
fountain didn't for some reason.

582
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,400
So going to jump
into the booster grabs here

583
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,519
and I see that I have Adam Curry
and this was sent yesterday

584
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,119
and he says boosting big
since I listen

585
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,200
to a lot on my light phone
without streaming sets

586
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,480
we need the audio. Oh right.
Yeah.

587
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,519
Showing my lack of of ability
to speak code quickly

588
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,599
or even just symbols
less than simple.

589
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Although the word auto greater
than symbol option

590
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,359
in the value block
exclamation mark seven 77,777.

591
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,279
That is a bullet boost
for this week.

592
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,079
Thank you very much, Adam. Mr.
Adam Corey,

593
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
I'm going to contact you
about getting a shirt

594
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,400
because I know you have
jumped over that 100,000 limit

595
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,640
well and truly by now.
So I thank you very much there.

596
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:57,839
Now, I'm also going to jump on
to my Albi wallet

597
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,599
because I have one of them
set up.

598
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,359
And unfortunately with this one,
I can only see

599
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,400
to a certain extent before it.
It kind of cuts me off.

600
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,119
What I do see
is a lot of streaming in here

601
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:11,880
from people, and this is from
people like Jean Bien.

602
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,839
This is from people
like Mary Oscar,

603
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,920
Oscar, Mary of the Fountain App.
I can see that in there.

604
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,119
So that was an hour ago.
2 hours ago. Thank you very much,

605
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:29,160
both of you. And I also can see
a lot of hidden boost here,

606
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:33,200
which I it's
yeah, I don't know why

607
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:34,559
this isn't showing fountain.
I'm going to have to

608
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,920
contact Oscar,
but basically we have Dave and

609
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,640
this is from an unknown send us.
So I apologize.

610
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,680
I can't actually call you out
for thanking you.

611
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,759
This was from the Costa Medica
and he says, Dave,

612
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:47,680
I'm glad to hear
you're going to build the feed

613
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,839
exporter that includes value box.
At some point.

614
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:55,079
I'm going to want that, too.
All right. Awesome. So, Dave,

615
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:58,799
I do hope you got that message.
By the way, if you're listening

616
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,319
to that episode with Dave
Jones, I've included him

617
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:03,559
as a 30% split.
So every boost to Graham

618
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,079
that goes in 30% of
that will go to him.

619
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:10,000
So that is I love this stuff.
I love it so, so damn cool.

620
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,079
Those are all the ones
I have access to at the moment.

621
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,920
So if I have missed you,
apologies. I'm going to try and

622
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840
contact both Oscar
Mary from the Fountain App

623
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,280
because I'm not sure
why the customer one didn't

624
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:30,519
show up in there.
And I'm also going to contact

625
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:36,079
the guys at Satoshi Stream
to really try and figure out why

626
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:39,480
that automatic booster, Graham
Sender honor isn't

627
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,320
isn't working at the moment.
But for everyone, I probably

628
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,480
should have explained this so
right at the start.

629
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,760
So on Graham all of these things
that I'm reading out now,

630
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,960
messages that people have sent
in to the podcast whilst

631
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,000
listening to the actual podcast.
So they've done this

632
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,400
within their own podcasting app,
you might ask, but Karen

633
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,800
that's impossible.
It's not doable.

634
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,360
I'm trying on Spotify and
I don't see any button to that,

635
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,719
and that is the problem.
It is because you are on Spotify

636
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,639
or you're on Apple
or you're on a legacy media

637
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,559
legacy podcasting app
and the problem with them

638
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:18,199
is that they don't
keep up with the times. You don't

639
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:20,239
they don't have the ability
to send

640
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:27,800
a message directly into me
within a an open spec where it's

641
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:30,960
kind of playing by the rules.
Spotify

642
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:33,760
does have some things like polls
where

643
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,719
you can kind of respond to them
if and they're set up by default.

644
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,039
If you do that, I will try
and go in at some point.

645
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,440
But you know,
I don't have the ability

646
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:46,840
to have that message
showing up on my desktop

647
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:48,000
and on my phone and in three
or four different places

648
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,559
like I do with all of this cool
podcasting to point out stuff.

649
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,679
If you want to know
what podcasting 2.0 is,

650
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,000
I would definitely recommend
checking out

651
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,800
probably the first chat
with Dave Jones, which was chat

652
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:06,679
number conversation number 54.
So if you go on to my podcast

653
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:08,719
dot com and in the search bar
for the podcasting section

654
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:11,599
of the main,
the main podcast section,

655
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,880
if you type in Dave Dave Jones,
you'll

656
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:18,480
see both of them come up and,
or if you go into other places

657
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:21,119
on the internet and type
that in, hopefully Chatty Pete

658
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,320
will find you out.
But all of these are messages

659
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:26,000
that people have sent in with a
an amount attached to it.

660
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,639
And this amount
can be extremely little.

661
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:34,320
It can be extremely a lot.
You know that Adam Curry one

662
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,599
was sent in from Cura, Costa,
Peter and Cole.

663
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:40,320
They were both from Fountain,
that unknown person

664
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,039
that was from Costa matic.
You can see all of these messages

665
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:43,840
are coming
from different podcasting apps.

666
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,599
So I'm not asking you to, to go
to one app in particular which,

667
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,320
you know, you have to download
this, this one in particular.

668
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,440
All I'm asking is, hey, if you
if you want to send in some

669
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,800
support to the show,
try out a new app,

670
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:04,559
try out something like Pod fans
or Fountain or Cura Costa

671
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:08,400
or cosmetic or pop verse or,
you know, there's what,

672
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,679
like two or three, the customer
like that.

673
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,960
There's so many different ones
and you will find

674
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,599
a good experience
with one of them

675
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,880
and you can help support
the show. And I will read out

676
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,280
your messages
every Wednesday, 7 p.m.

677
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,559
Australian Eastern Standard Time
whilst live well near skeptic.

678
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:27,440
In the chat, he says I only know
the language of love. Skeptic,

679
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,199
neo skeptic of my heart.
Why do you want to learn

680
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:36,679
how to code?
My reason for wanting to learn

681
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:41,760
code was pretty much because I.
I really wanted to be able

682
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:44,880
to improve the podcast.
So in particular

683
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:49,280
there's a lot of things.
Mostly it's all great and fine

684
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:52,679
at the moment it is.
If I ever wanted to Move host,

685
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,480
which I have done multiple times
with these podcast

686
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:57,159
to kind of stay with the,
the latest and greatest,

687
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,360
it breaks a lot of
things and those broken things

688
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,159
at the moment
they can only be fixed by, by

689
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,920
knowing some python, but
by knowing programing language.

690
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,760
So I can automatically say,
you know, grab these files

691
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,239
from this numbered
set of, of podcast, you know,

692
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:23,000
I've got them labeled 386 385
304 go into the chapters file.

693
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,159
There is a chapters
file in every one of them.

694
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,880
Go to the numbers.
I've got the numbered one

695
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:32,119
through ten or whatever
and create a file from this.

696
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:35,000
And you know, if I upload them
in these certain places

697
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,320
on the internet, reference
that file, basically there's

698
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,559
a whole lot of manual stuff
if I wanted to, to change things

699
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,039
and it would be amazing
if I could automate that.

700
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:52,000
But am I going to find out soon
because I'm going to jump into

701
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:54,360
the very next session right now.
So what am I going to

702
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,760
talk about now?
Well, I'm going to talk

703
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:00,840
about the learning method.
So this is just,

704
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,000
I think, something
that I think was worth

705
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:07,159
repeating and coming up with.
I have attempted to learn Python.

706
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,239
I have learned Spanish
to a reasonable degree.

707
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,719
I think most people would say,
and I am learning

708
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,159
German at the moment,
what can I comment on

709
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,159
on the learning methods
of all these different things?

710
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,639
Well, what I've noticed
is that programing emphasizes

711
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,760
having a specific goal in mind.
I've been told this by multiple

712
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,679
people and real life.
I've been told by multiple people

713
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:33,119
through the screen itself.
I've been told

714
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,800
by multiple people in the books
that I read about coding,

715
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,159
having a specific goal of
what it is that you want to do.

716
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,519
Now, for me, I kind of
did have this specific goal.

717
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:45,599
I wanted to learn how to create
JSON feeds by

718
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,280
automating the images
that I have already stored up

719
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:54,760
to a database of 380
something episodes.

720
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,920
If you include
all the conversations

721
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,199
and the book reviews, you know,
600, 700, I don't even know.

722
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,639
I want I wanted
I had that specific goal in mind

723
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,840
when you look at something like
learning another spoken language,

724
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,599
I don't actually think you need
that specificity.

725
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,800
And to prove this,
I have my book here,

726
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:18,119
my German book,
with all the creepy colors on it.

727
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,440
And it is
I've had the title here.

728
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,880
DEUTSCH And then I have
had y underneath that. And so

729
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:34,880
this was just my way of
of kind of affirming what it was

730
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:38,880
that I wanted to do with German,
maybe how far I wanted to get,

731
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,239
and the kind of reasons I was
I was learning it. So here we go.

732
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,679
I have a whole bunch of data
points here, so why to continue

733
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,639
to continue
to expand my abilities

734
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,320
and learn new things, to gain
a greater knowledge

735
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,440
of language structures,
to help me become

736
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,400
a better communicator,
to unlock unique experiences

737
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,159
with people in Europe
and enjoy my future, travels

738
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:01,079
at a greater intensity
to lessen the likelihood

739
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,000
or impact of dementia
when older to have

740
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:05,199
a testing challenge
that can only be gained

741
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,679
with constant practice
and gradual improvement,

742
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:10,840
to feel that thrill of conversing
in a foreign tongue

743
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,000
and being somewhat mystified
at how

744
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,039
you are actually understanding
to have a reason to connect

745
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,599
with German speakers
in Brisbane to make connections

746
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,920
so that when I go to Europe
I will have contacts

747
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,239
and more options available
to be a more interesting,

748
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,440
capable person
because I am intrigued

749
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:26,320
by Germany,
Austria, Belgium, Liechtenstein,

750
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,760
Luxembourg, Switzerland
and the bordering countries.

751
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,679
Because it sounds cool,
exclamation mark

752
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,800
because I want to be able
to read German authors because

753
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:40,280
I want to make more friends.
You can

754
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,599
see that my list is very vague.
I think it's one there's

755
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:47,199
a whole lot of different things
for that and ranging

756
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,599
from the silly things like
because it sounds cool

757
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,840
to some of the more,
you know, deeper

758
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,639
aspects of humanity because
I want to make more friends.

759
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:58,280
Because I, because I want to
expand my mind,

760
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,880
because I want to travel
and get the most out of that.

761
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,719
So I think there is something
where the the learning,

762
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,320
the method of learning it
kind of or

763
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,760
maybe the point of learning it,
you can have

764
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,559
different reasons for it.
This might even be more

765
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:19,480
of a difference. To be honest.
I probably should have put that

766
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:24,079
in the differences section
because I think

767
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:27,320
that you can have these abstract
reasons, whereas with coding

768
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:29,960
or with Python, you know,
what is my reason

769
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:35,280
for learning Python? It is
like as everyone

770
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:38,519
has said it, I feel it does
need to be a bit more definite,

771
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,519
a bit more stronger.
The reason for that

772
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:45,000
and and specific
and and really dialed

773
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:47,800
and nailed in whereas
learning another language

774
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,280
I have the amount of people
I've I've met who are learning it

775
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,079
because they're bored
are learning it

776
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:56,639
because that's what they're part
aspects, learning it for job

777
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:00,000
opportunities, you know,
the amount of kind of varied

778
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:03,000
and somewhat
then not that specific.

779
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,360
You know, they're all kind of,
Oh yeah, you know, it's

780
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:09,360
kind of like this.
I'd like to get it for this,

781
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:13,559
you know, that sort of deal.
So what else is there

782
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,360
in the learning methods? Well,
I think is rather restrictive

783
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,840
for programmers
and it kind of cuts down

784
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,320
your abilities by half
because if you think about it,

785
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,079
only read and write is available.
So you can read

786
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,440
other people's code or code
that is written down.

787
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,760
And then of course,
the most important one, you

788
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:35,480
write it out yourself. And so
in essence,

789
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,280
how, how do you learn coding?
Will you write it down?

790
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,960
That's how you learn it.
And that is the only way

791
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,599
of doing it. And once again,
in all of these books

792
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:45,920
I was reading Coding
for Beginners using Python

793
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:49,639
and Algorithms for Dummies
that were very, very

794
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:54,960
emphatic that, no, you can't just
copy and paste the code

795
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,480
that is written on this page
because they had, you

796
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,199
know, online access
for you to do that.

797
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,840
If you wanted, you have to
write it out yourself

798
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,920
because there is something
in the writing process

799
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:08,719
where you make mistakes,
where you have spelling errors,

800
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:12,159
where you accidentally press
base twice,

801
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:16,280
where that that whole process
culminates in you learning

802
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:20,440
how to how to do it.
So even just the the reading

803
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:24,760
method of is isn't really that
applicable for for coding

804
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,719
whereas something like Spanish.
Yeah.

805
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,920
I made it an active portion to
do the big four things for me.

806
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,079
So I would speak it,
I would verbally say things out

807
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,719
loud, ideally in communication
with someone else.

808
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,280
And if I didn't have that
I would just practice

809
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,599
pronunciation and abloh espanol,
Miyamoto Chiron,

810
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:46,440
that sort of thing.
I would write things down,

811
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:51,719
so I would create my own practice
sentences in Spanish.

812
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,480
I would have an English sentence
in mind. I'd write that down

813
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,719
and then I would write down
roughly what I thought.

814
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,199
This could be translated
into Spanish.

815
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,880
Not perfect, but it did
give me a lot of opportunities

816
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,880
to look at something in English
and then think, okay,

817
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,239
how can I format this in Spanish?
How can I really do this?

818
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,599
There is obviously
then the reading aspect.

819
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:18,480
So you can have Spanish books,
you can read them

820
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,800
as much as you want.
You can go to language

821
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:25,960
resources online.
Ellis Or you know, the mirror

822
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,119
or this aspect, the door.
I think that's a Colombian one.

823
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,599
Very, very big, very popular,
very well known.

824
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,159
Many opportunities
to read your target language.

825
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,679
And then there's
obviously the listening aspect

826
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,559
so you can listen to a podcast
of speaking of people

827
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,960
speaking the language.
You can listen to music

828
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,039
where they sing in that language,
you can listen to TV

829
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:53,559
shows or movies or movies
with the subtitles.

830
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,519
So you're combining this coding.
It's just so restrictive.

831
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:58,480
You need to be
in front of a computer

832
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,280
and you need to be
typing things out.

833
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,880
And there is no kind of
replication.

834
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:07,480
There's no way that you can
I feel really learn coding

835
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,159
when you're out of the park,
you know,

836
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:15,760
going for a walk as well.
Maybe there's some aspects

837
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:19,119
of the structural format
of the language, but once again,

838
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,840
it feels like it's more of a
doing thing that you need to do.

839
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,280
So in terms
of the learning methods for it,

840
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:29,039
you are going to be much
more restricted. Once again,

841
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:32,320
this is probably better
to be putting in the differences

842
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:34,239
section rather than the
the learning section.

843
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,719
And one of the things
that I would say is that

844
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,920
it suits solitary individuals.
So if

845
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:41,760
you're learning how to code,
it is very

846
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,960
much a solitary activity
because it you can't really have

847
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,400
multiple people
typing on the keyboard

848
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:53,079
at the same time.
Sure, you can be in a classroom

849
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:56,360
with other people
who are coding, but once again,

850
00:46:53,079 --> 00:47:00,519
you're at your focus
is not on speaking that code

851
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:04,079
with another person.
It is dialed into your laptop

852
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:06,440
in front of you or your computer
or your tablet, whatever it is,

853
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,639
and typing things out and trying
to construct something. So this

854
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,599
I think, is very, very different
from a human spoken language

855
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,039
or even just a human language
in well,

856
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,400
particularly the spoken aspect,
because you are

857
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,000
trying to communicate
with someone else. Once again,

858
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,360
this ties ties back into that
you are communicating

859
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,320
with a robot
and communicating with a bot or

860
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:34,599
arm or a machine is just not
it's not that is necessarily bad

861
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,639
or good.
It's just very, very different

862
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:42,400
than communicating with a human.
And so, you know, it does suit

863
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:45,440
the solitary individual.
And I think there is

864
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,320
a stereotype for a reason.
That program is a

865
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,360
nerd's or that awkward people
or they are introverts.

866
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,519
And I think that stereotype
is probably

867
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,800
they exist for a reason.
Those are the people

868
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,719
who are drawn into coding
because it is by default.

869
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,719
That's what you kind of
have to be to do it.

870
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,599
How many super extroverted
people love coding?

871
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,599
I would imagine that ratio of
of those people to introverts

872
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,199
who pick it
up, who stick with it,

873
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,079
who do it for a career
and things like that to be

874
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,559
significantly less than in other
areas and avenues of life.

875
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,519
So let's let's keep going.
Let's jump on to the summary.

876
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:27,760
Ultimately,
I feel there is a fundamental

877
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,880
difference
between machines and humans.

878
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,559
So without consciousness
and perhaps even a body,

879
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,920
but let's just stick with
consciousness for the moment.

880
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,639
Communication
is just so severely limited

881
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,079
when you are chatting
with a machine using

882
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:51,519
Python or C++ or something,
the range of things

883
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:55,320
that they can spit
back out at you is so restricted.

884
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,039
The interesting thing
now is things like chat chip,

885
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,239
which are large language models
and they can throw back at you

886
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,199
things like English or Spanish
or whatever it is, you know,

887
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,320
your native language
and that that is interesting.

888
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,159
But when you have programing
that it's not like you're

889
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:18,480
writing to them in code
and that they're spitting back

890
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,320
code at you.
I'm sure you can do that

891
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:26,719
with things like chat tea.
But it's that, that communication

892
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:30,480
just doesn't have this aspect of
really conveying knowledge of

893
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:34,440
you're just not going to
if you have a problem with

894
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:37,679
the code that they've just done,
you don't write at it in code,

895
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,079
you write out it
in English in, in kind of

896
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,840
and, and I'm talking about chat
CBT here, of course,

897
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:49,960
where the problem is solved
not by writing code to it,

898
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,079
by writing python at it, it's
solved by, by English with it.

899
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:01,239
And so progressing forward
and this is maybe something

900
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:04,679
that is, is rather debatable
because I know Juan had some

901
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:07,920
pretty strong views on this was
I actually see coding

902
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:10,320
becoming less and less important
and especially in schools.

903
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,960
And I would not be surprised
if his daughter

904
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,719
does not need to learn code,
but she needs to learn how

905
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,519
to prompt
because if you can get it to do

906
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,920
the thing that you want without
having to learn the language

907
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,719
the programing language,
I see that as a win

908
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,079
and I see that as a big win
for myself, for example.

909
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:32,880
So, you know,
if Catch MBT and other language

910
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:36,960
model interfaces work
and they work decently,

911
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:39,599
then the need for average
people like me

912
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:44,280
I think dramatically lessens.
So with all of this kind of

913
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,000
solo discussion, this rant,
if you want to put it that way,

914
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,199
I think I've made an argument of
of that there

915
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719
there is a really big difference
between the two of them.

916
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,679
The reasons you will learn
a programing language versus

917
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,480
a human spoken language is very,
very different.

918
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,760
And if you can get
a lot of the benefits of the

919
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,760
of the programing language
without having to do it,

920
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,320
you know that
without having to learn

921
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,400
how to type
less, then, you know, blah,

922
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,480
blah, blah, blah,
blah, close brackets,

923
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,280
make sure that you've got all of
this, you know, lingo and line

924
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,880
and whatnot. The syntax.
I think there is a huge benefit

925
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:31,679
to that. And personally
what I see myself doing

926
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,400
and my yearly goal,
which was to learn

927
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,880
a programing language,
to learn some coding,

928
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,639
I'm going to transition
that and I'm going to make

929
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,480
that that goal.
Look, learn how to use chat chip

930
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,760
to get what I want
because I just don't see

931
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,760
the benefits
of of learning the language

932
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,800
anymore.
Now, this is something that

933
00:51:53,800 --> 00:52:01,320
it would be great to have one
now commenting on because

934
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:04,159
when we we brought this up
a fair while ago

935
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:08,840
and we were talking about,
okay, who is the you know, what's

936
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,559
one of the most important things
you can do in your life?

937
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,400
And I see in the chat.
So maybe he can talk about this.

938
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,639
I he was saying, you know,
one of the most important things

939
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,960
that someone or any everyone
should do is learn coding.

940
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,880
And one of the most
important things

941
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:27,920
I said was to learn the human,
learn another spoken language.

942
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,239
And, you know,
just based on, on on that.

943
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,679
And that was we said that,
you know, a year or two ago

944
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,800
that was before chat. Chat.
I would really like to know,

945
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:44,360
does he still believe
that is necessary

946
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:48,920
because I can get it to create a
and interesting. Hmm.

947
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:56,079
I can't get it to create a a
How would I describe this?

948
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:59,280
I can't get it to create
what I want and to download

949
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,400
JSON files and things like that
without me having to to do it.

950
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,880
So I think that's
that's pretty cool.

951
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,920
So with all that being said,
I'll jump into here.

952
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,719
So one in the chat was saying
to your second point, Kevin Rose

953
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:19,199
talked about being directly
with Tim Ferriss and showed how

954
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:21,199
not being average
but paired with that tech

955
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:24,679
can bridge the gap of knowledge.
I by a weird way,

956
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:26,800
I've grown to know the language
of subtlety, of the body

957
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:30,360
movements and the intricacies.
I didn't even talk about the

958
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:33,840
the body language and how much
that plays a part into

959
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,559
the spoken language as well.
I did have to,

960
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,840
to summarize, finish my summary,
the analogy

961
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:42,719
of swimming and dance.
So I definitely would say that

962
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,000
both of them are waving
your arms and legs around,

963
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,639
but the carryover
between them is minimal.

964
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,280
So if you learn Spanish,
I don't think that's going

965
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,920
to help
you learn a programing language.

966
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,480
If you learn Python,
I don't think

967
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,960
that's going to help you
learn a spoken language.

968
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,199
I don't see. I think there is
a big difference

969
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:08,159
between the two of them
and that was one of the things

970
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:12,480
I was kind of surprised by.
What I'm also surprised

971
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:15,119
by is in the YouTube chat,
Oh, it's just stuck

972
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:18,280
really far behind. That's cool.
That's excellent. I was one.

973
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,800
I thought I had the wrong
picture on the on the screen.

974
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,599
So this is just a nice summary
there for for all of

975
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:30,760
those different points.
And I will just be

976
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:34,760
able to to say here as well
housekeeping what what can

977
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,079
you kind of see for the future?
I hope I hope that

978
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,119
all kind of made sense to you,
to everyone who is listening.

979
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:42,519
So what are some of the things
that are coming for the future?

980
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:46,079
Well, one might be back
next week, perhaps.

981
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,000
Perhaps He has hinted at me
that this might be

982
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,400
be something that he was was
perhaps doable.

983
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,880
If that's the case,
we will have an episode

984
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,199
which is related
to obviously the process of

985
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:04,440
of having a baby daughter
and what that is like.

986
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,840
But if not, I might
have a backup one in case

987
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,199
because I will really struggle
to do a solo episode on that.

988
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,880
So yeah, we'll see what
that episode is moving forward.

989
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960
There will definitely be
transcripts and captions

990
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:22,199
for all of the audio,
So if you have been missing

991
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:24,559
that in the in the past,
you will start seeing that now.

992
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:31,000
I do want to get that sorted out
and created for all of our past

993
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:34,159
episodes as well.
Once again, this is something

994
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:37,320
that could perhaps be automated,
but I just don't know

995
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:38,119
if I have the voice.
I certainly don't have

996
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:41,400
the Python abilities to do that,
but maybe you can help me.

997
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,039
I'm going to try and
improve the audio quality again.

998
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,920
I did use to do this in the past
where I used a kind of

999
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:52,320
a lot of the features that are
built in into Adobe audition.

1000
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,239
So this is things
like the Parametric Equalizer,

1001
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,679
This is things like the Noise
Gate, and I'll play around

1002
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:03,000
with it again.
Let me know if you think that

1003
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:06,760
it improves the quality enough
that I should keep doing that,

1004
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:09,559
if I can make it.
Yeah, we'll see.

1005
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,000
And then the last one is I'm
probably going to start

1006
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,079
releasing the additional
one on Monday evening.

1007
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,199
So it used to be Friday evenings
and Sunday evenings for the

1008
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,960
for the audios
and this is actually now

1009
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,880
going to change
to Monday evenings and I'm going

1010
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:30,480
to put everything out at 8 p.m.
Australian Eastern Standard Time.

1011
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,960
So it is the same day everywhere
in the world, although almost

1012
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:38,000
and I see a lot of people in
the chat were talking and one

1013
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,480
and whatnot is going away,
so I'll get to that soon.

1014
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:45,599
Here's a little fun
facts that you might not know

1015
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:47,639
the world. You would think,
okay, there's 24,

1016
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:53,480
you know, the world is circular,
there's round you and there

1017
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:56,440
it is, split into 24 time zones.
You would think, okay,

1018
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:00,639
there is a point at where
it is, you know,

1019
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:04,519
a fraction of a second,
you know, directly on midnight

1020
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:08,079
here is directly or at midnight
on another portion of the world.

1021
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,039
But it is the opposite day
or it's, you know,

1022
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,000
like one second pass
or something like that. If you

1023
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,239
if you have an image, split
the time zones into even more

1024
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,760
individualized things.
So essentially

1025
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,440
that you can't have anywhere
in the world

1026
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:27,480
that is more than 24 hours
in advance of the other,

1027
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:31,079
because the the time zones,
they should go directly down

1028
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:33,159
when you transverse
across the world

1029
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:36,000
or when you circumnavigate
the world, you are going further

1030
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:38,159
and further from that.
So you're either gaining time

1031
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,239
and you're losing time.
But when you come back

1032
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:43,000
to that initial point,
it should be like reverse.

1033
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,800
All right, we're back.
We're back to like

1034
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,320
jumping a full day forward
or jumping a full day backwards.

1035
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,679
Incorrect. No, there is actually
it is actually possible for you

1036
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:57,719
to be at somewhere in the world
on Wednesday at 1 a.m..

1037
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:02,320
And you would then think, okay,
the earliest let's just say

1038
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,719
that is the further most time
zone. You would then say,

1039
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:10,280
okay well then the latest
someone can be behind

1040
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:11,199
them is Tuesday at 1 a.m..
Incorrect.

1041
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:15,880
You can actually be Wednesday
1 a.m. at one point in the world

1042
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:18,639
and another point of the world.
The time will be Monday at 11

1043
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,880
p.m..
There is a 26 hour difference.

1044
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,159
Now how this is created,
it's super weird. I won't even

1045
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:27,840
try and explain it here, but
this was all just a

1046
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,920
big way of me saying
when I release it at 8 p.m.

1047
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,880
Australian Eastern Standard Time
for almost everywhere

1048
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,519
in the world,
it will be on that exact

1049
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:42,840
same day that I'm releasing.
So it will be it will be on

1050
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:44,880
released on a Friday for you.
It will be released

1051
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,880
on a monday for you
unless you are

1052
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,039
in one of those really,
really weird time zones,

1053
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:53,039
in which case it might be
slightly ever so slightly

1054
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:56,480
before that
you might be getting it,

1055
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,199
you know, at 11 p.m.
or something like that.

1056
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,119
So a little, little,
little thing there.

1057
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,559
Now I'm just going to finish off
here with the last housekeeping,

1058
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:06,239
which is just
talking about the chat,

1059
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:10,159
and he says, My little girl here
agrees with the current.

1060
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:12,599
A big difference between human
and programing language.

1061
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,480
And he said he
has changed his view slightly.

1062
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,920
You're right. Even more now,
I think it has become

1063
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:23,079
more important to know
the language of ask of inputs

1064
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,519
and outputs and variables
in all its variables.

1065
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:27,719
So human language or coding
and probably I'm assuming

1066
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,119
he's talking about chat
put in there as well.

1067
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,199
He is also saying that
he thinks he can make it

1068
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:37,119
for the next week.
So very, very encouraging.

1069
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:41,159
Hopefully that is all good
and he's off to take care.

1070
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:46,079
It is baby sleeping time
and near skeptic is just

1071
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:48,800
wishing him some good stuff so
he says Thanks once

1072
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:52,280
again, Karen, and thank you.
One near skeptic and Patricia

1073
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,639
for joining me in the chat.
Thank you for everyone

1074
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:56,880
who sent in a brewster gram,
this was really,

1075
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,400
really encouraging.
I think that's probably one

1076
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:03,119
of our biggest weeks in terms of
the amount of people who

1077
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:05,760
man of people have boosted in
and then the various sources

1078
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:09,239
that they have as well.
So really, really encouraging

1079
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:12,360
really makes me feel good.
And I really just do want

1080
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:15,320
to thank all of you for that.
This is

1081
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:18,119
a Value for value podcast.
So everything that I do

1082
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:20,760
here is for free.
You can listen to this

1083
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,639
for as long as you want.
You can never have

1084
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,440
any interaction with me,
with one with the show at all,

1085
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:27,639
and you can passively consume it.
And I totally understand

1086
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:30,760
that I have done that
and I in the past, and there

1087
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,639
probably are some shows
which I had never will

1088
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:37,280
communicate with in
with their hosts

1089
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:39,480
in any meaningful manner
or contribute

1090
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,119
in any meaningful manner.
And that is totally fine.

1091
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:46,320
That is 100% part of my ethos.
I just want this podcast

1092
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,039
to be everywhere for anyone
at any time and, you know,

1093
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:57,440
available just at the easiest of
convenience is for you. So yes,

1094
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:59,760
I will put this on Spotify.
Yes, I will put this

1095
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,519
on these legacy podcasting apps,
which I personally don't use

1096
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:04,119
and which I wouldn't
recommend to use.

1097
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,239
But look, I want you
to have the best experience.

1098
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:11,440
And if you think that's
listening to the main models

1099
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:15,239
that please go ahead and do that
for everyone else

1100
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:18,960
who who is listening,
though I am I do do the value

1101
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:21,440
for value model. So like I said,
all of this is for free.

1102
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,119
I am providing
all of this value to you upfront

1103
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,800
and then the onus on you is now
to provide some value back.

1104
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,400
And if you want
the show to continue,

1105
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,320
it will need to at some point
reach a level where I can pay

1106
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,599
for, at the very least,
the hosting expenses

1107
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,880
and upkeep of lights
and of audio and cameras

1108
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,960
and things like that. It's not
huge, huge amounts, but it would

1109
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:47,840
make a big difference to it
to be able to have

1110
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:50,880
that those costs covered
and any additional for time.

1111
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,000
That would be amazing.
You don't have to necessarily

1112
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,880
do this through a monetary form.
You can do this

1113
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,320
through the simple way
of sharing this with someone.

1114
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,760
If you have someone who thinks
that they will have mad

1115
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,679
Python gains by learning Spanish,
I would love

1116
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:14,920
for you to send them this
because I think I made

1117
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:17,440
a pretty good argument as to why
and how these are so different

1118
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,840
that you won't
you won't get any mad gains

1119
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,599
by doing that
and that it is worth

1120
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:25,800
considering that.
So I hope this does have

1121
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:26,639
some sort of practical benefit
for the world.

1122
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:29,760
And you can also do this
by sharing on social media.

1123
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,639
You can also do this
by sending in some talent.

1124
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:38,159
So if you know exactly what
it was in those two locations

1125
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:39,719
in the world,
you can send them to me

1126
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:43,559
If I got that wrong,
if I got any of this wrong

1127
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:47,159
and there was facts that I
misstated or misplaced or things

1128
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:50,440
that I didn't say correctly,
I would love for you to please

1129
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:55,079
reach out and and let me know
that that is valuable

1130
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:58,239
knowledge to have of me,
not just repeating errors

1131
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,760
that throughout the shows
because that does happen.

1132
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,400
You know,
you tell the same stories,

1133
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,440
you tell the same facts,
and if you get your facts wrong,

1134
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,119
that can just
propagate and propagate

1135
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:13,199
without you even knowing.
So sending in some talent,

1136
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:16,320
if you if you get once again
listen to the audio quality

1137
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:19,320
of some of the upcoming
episodes and tell me,

1138
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,239
do you think that is improved?
And if if so, you know,

1139
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:24,840
that is great talent
because your ears, your hearing

1140
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:28,679
is better than mine. And if,
if that is an addition to you

1141
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:31,480
that is highly regarded
and very valuable,

1142
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:36,400
please, please let me know that.
And then if you do want to

1143
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,800
provide some monetary support,
you can do that

1144
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,840
by sending in a booster.
Graham Or you can by getting

1145
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:44,079
a new podcast app dot
com or podcast app WSJ.com.

1146
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:49,559
And there you will find
a series of podcasting apps

1147
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,320
which do have much more features
and functionality.

1148
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,679
And I would recommend this
going to them

1149
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,519
even if you don't want to
support just because

1150
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:59,280
there are better things
I've mentioned multiple times

1151
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,079
that you will see
images on the screen.

1152
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:04,639
You will only see those images
if you are in one of these

1153
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,039
new apps because Apple
and Spotify will not do it.

1154
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,280
You will only get links
to interesting things

1155
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,760
that I have put in here.
I will put a link to that guy

1156
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:18,480
speaking Icelandic
in that section

1157
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:22,639
where I talked about it.
You will find transcripts

1158
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:26,400
available in these places.
So if you are learning English

1159
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:30,519
and you are using this show,
you can see transcripts of the

1160
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:32,159
the words, the captions
appearing on your screen

1161
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:34,360
if you are on
something like Podverse,

1162
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:37,440
because that is
one of the ways that these

1163
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:41,760
these apps are just
much, much better. There's all

1164
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:44,159
sorts of other functionalities.
Cool stuff you will find

1165
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,079
in there in the future.
When I'm doing live,

1166
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,679
you will see the live
notification pop up in this app.

1167
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:51,639
There's just so many benefits.
Go check out

1168
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,800
one of the latest conversations
I had with Dave Jones.

1169
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,679
It was the episode
before this one

1170
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,159
and he is part of the movement.
He is one of the guys creating.

1171
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:02,519
He's a coder,
creating all of these,

1172
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,679
you know, the functionality
for all of these apps to exist

1173
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:07,880
and and his thoughts on that.
So I would just recommend

1174
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:10,559
checking that episode.
There's been really fun

1175
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:14,000
and I do enjoy these chats
with Juan usually, but

1176
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,519
it is nice every now
and then to have a topic

1177
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,119
that I'm passionate about that
I kind of know relatively deeply

1178
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,639
and, and can kind of waffle
on and rant about.

1179
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:29,360
So everyone, I do hope
you're having a fantastic day

1180
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:33,199
wherever you are in the world
buenos dias, guten Morgen,

1181
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,199
chao for now Kyrin out