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Can anyone actually gain power/fame/money/prestige without having to sell their soul?

In Episode #398 of 'Musings', Juan & I discuss: our recent accidental foray into politics, governmental vs internal vs social vs realpolitik, why people in high positions maybe aren't engaging in politics, the sheer negative emotions that spring up (and are also the root cause), plus why I won't let it take up my mental space.

Massive thanks to Dave Jones, McIntosh, BadcareeradviceChad (love that name lol), Martin Lindeskog and Petar. Was a massive week of support, you're all legends!

Timeline:
(0:00) - No-one will believe this
(1:08) - Why Juan liked David Meisel
(3:49) - Clip success ... but at what cost
(5:49) - Types of politics
(16:40) - Status within companies
(28:34) - Boostagram Lounge
(44:20) - The way people behave
(52:02) - The root cause of the behaviour
(57:54) - Triangulating to the truth
(1:04:58) - Summary
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We can be Mere Mortals
Yes, indeed

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we are the mere mortals.
Welcome, everyone,

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to a Wednesday 5th of July
musings session.

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This is a live episode
where myself, Kyrin and

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Juan over here And Juan pick
a topic, get deep into it,

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deep conversations with the light
hearted touch

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focusing on the deep. Today
I picked today's theme

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and it is No one's
going to believe this. Everyone's

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going to be like.
No, yeah, pick this. Absolutely.

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I pick this. I can't believe
I pick this. It's politics,

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people. It's politics.
Now, you've heard me

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probably numerous times saying,
I hate politics

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now I'm going to talk
about politics. But why did

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I choose this one? Well, I'm
putting a twist on it

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is probably not
the way you normally think

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about politics. Okay.
The last names that I say

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in this of
individual people better

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is that's a win.
That's going to be some.

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They'll be some,
but not not that many.

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I'm going to say Biden, Trump.
No, no. I'm

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going to Red State. No.
Republicans, Democratics.

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I heard Greens now maybe.
So why don't

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I get and bring this up? Well,
after the last episode

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we had about conversations
and interviews and you mentioned

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that the David Maisel
one was in your top five.

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Yes. You've heard. Yeah.
I think it'd be good for

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you just to clarify why
that's in your top five,

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because I'm not exactly sure.
Was it for the interviewing,

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the interview skills or
just the overall product?

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It was good. Quality.
So specifically.

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And so for those who want
to go that detail,

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it was Tim Ferriss
having a conversation

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with David Maisel.
It was, I guess,

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a very critical individual
in the part of bringing

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mobile Marvel's universe,
cinematic universe, to life

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and bringing it from bankruptcy,
sold off

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to Disney for $4 billion.
And what I really enjoyed

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about it was one,
I believe Tim knew him.

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I had talked to him like once
before that connected

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before and someone, but it felt
supremely natural

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in the conversation.
So I was want to speak

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and I really liked.
And the way that he asked

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a question was good,
the way he tailored. As you went

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through the entire story,
even they went back

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and forth over many hours.
He the way he ended it,

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I'm talking about Tim
Ferriss with David. He set it up

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for the next conversation.
And like the next part

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was all the others.
Well done, good set up.

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And I personally enjoyed
the David David story,

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the way that he would present
the story, discuss it,

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bring about people to it.
And at the same time I went,

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This person
is not a very well known

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individual like I was asking
people to work as well

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if they knew who this guy is
and they didn't really.

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And he seemed
to have rubbed shoulders

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with a lot of really big
heavy hitters. And I went,

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That's this seems like a
pretty humble, cool dude.

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Like he just seemed
like an individual

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that I would have fun
having, not an interview.

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Like, I just have a conversation.
I think all

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of that, plus I like the
I never had really looked

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into properly of how Marvel came
about to be

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and the licensing deals.
And they talked a lot about

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internal politics,
a lot about internal

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legal structures,
which I went, Oh, really?

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That's really interesting.
I haven't heard this

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being confirmed much.
And for those who might not know,

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I've been going down
the path of some legal company

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conversations and doings.
And let me tell you what that is

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hard information to source
appropriately. That is very,

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very hard to source. So it was
it was interesting to just here

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I never really properly listen to
sort of the combinations.

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That was sort of what I figured
that you'd take from it.

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Just just my personal thing
was I actually

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didn't like him that much.
And part of the reason was

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this was the politicking
and things

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that he was talking about.
So that was that was one of

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the reasons
why I brought this up.

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I went, okay,
that I saw that in there. And and

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with what
you were just mentioning

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about businesses
and what the other one

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was, funnily enough,
the Eclipse success

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that we've been talking
about this recently,

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two of the clips that we've
put on Instagram

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just blew off one of them.
The first one was Pete

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Smiths and the chat
I had with him

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and he was backing out Elon Musk
then there was another one

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with Trump, and that one also got
a fair bit and I was like,

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We've had some
success, but at what cost?

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Yeah, and, and, and, and let me
and will be clear for

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people at home in terms
of, you know, what was that

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So those are bringing up
the stats for people to know

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and I'll take a little
screenshot of you intended

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to do yourself a little bit.
So for the Instagram,

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I won't go into YouTube,
but we saw this similarly

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for us, you know,
those clips of comments

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talking about just straight from
the Instagram insights,

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you reached 1,675% more accounts
and the accounts overreach.

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Now for us, generally,
it's like 10,000,

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less than 10,000,
over 100,000 accounts

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that were engaged.
And I was primarily through that,

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those few clips that really made
enormous difference.

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But they focussed on Elon
Musk some politics and the like.

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And we got a
the feedback in those was

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I didn't personally enjoy them.
So once again

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we'll get into that.
Just the actual definition

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lies much like actual politics.
It's a slimy, hard

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to define word politics.
What exactly mean? What are you

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talking about?
So the thing that I kind

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of found was it was about making
decisions and groups.

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I almost put it
also as kind of the talk

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before the action. So what is the
surrounding thing

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that that happens before
a group makes a decision

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that that was kind of the
to the two ways of phrasing it?

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I've got several options
that we can go down here.

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So I'll, I'll let you
choose from these.

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There's different types that have
kind of listed out

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the root cause of
perhaps the why, why politics

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is interesting
and what happens from it.

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And then also the way
people behave. Which one of those

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do you want to kick off?
I think let's start with the

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the different politic
groups or conversations

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about bizarre
different types. Okay.

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If you had to have a guess
or to frame it out,

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what what would the be the ways
that you would kind of go

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about framing that?
I think the two that I can

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think of top of my head
one is the the politics

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that we know and love hate
in terms of what you see on TV,

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the cabinet members
talking, the politicians,

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the politicians
doing politicking.

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And it is maybe
a little bit different

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on that terminology
that I would say

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that type of politics is the
the debating between powers

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that have
the ability to influence

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what's states or large
tribes get to do.

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Because just like you might have
the president

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of the United States
versus another member

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or congressman,
that level of politics

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is the good debating
about what action should be taken

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for a wider right, whether it's,
you know, democratically

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you are voted in.
So you try to do it for

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the benefit of the people.
Or if you know

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from an authoritarian
perspective,

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hey, I'm a politic in
the sense of the politics,

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here is what I say goes. That's
that's the politics.

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The debate is nonexistent, as in
I tell you what's going to happen

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and this is what goes on. Maybe
maybe there's new politics

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in the lower rungs. It's then who
who gets to be second

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in charge or third.
And yeah, well.

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Who you tell who take the
benefit of what. Right.

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Or trying to do it too.
So so but but equally

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that category of what
I would say politics of

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the state or large groups
in like entities and humans

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would also apply to things
like in tribes in the sense

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that if you have the chief
and maybe a competing chief

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or a competing second hand
and they are discussing

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or debating about, Hey,
should we install a rule

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where none of the tribe members
can leave after 8 p.m.

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and what's going to be
better for the the group?

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I would call that
politicking as well

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at that level of politics
because it's it's on the action,

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you know, enforcing some rule,
you know telling people.

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But it's the debate.
It's a conversation

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that precedes you
being able to influence

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and put that to action.
So call that's that's one I guess

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the other one I could see
is the within company structures,

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within more contained
close circuit

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type of environments like
small, medium, large enterprises.

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Yeah, I don't know
if you have to have like

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a minimum amount of people
to call that

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the level of politics. Yeah,
maybe it has to have a

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level hierarchy
because you can have

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I think it's called hollow
block Ocracy Autocracy,

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which I know a company
actually runs like that.

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Here in Brisbane.
But they kind of run really

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the after I've talked to a couple
of their employees,

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it is, but it isn't.
And so there's

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the realities of it.
So if you have a really,

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really proper
non-hierarchical, okay,

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maybe you don't have that
level of politics

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part of that, only there's
going to be some

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just imbued in the sense
of how people own a company

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or the structure of it
or who's got the power

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dynamic or etc..
So I think those are the

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two that can kind of spot.
Do you have any other types?

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Yeah, I got a few, but they,
they all kind of blend

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together, to be honest.
When, when even when

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you were talking,
I was going, okay,

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this what you just said
kind of fits into this one,

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but it also into this one.
So I'll just

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chuck them out there.
So I write down governmental

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as the first one. So that one,
I think if I had to put it,

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I would say it's one
with some kind of laws in place.

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There actually are a series of
it's an established system

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which you're not meant to break,
but then people do anyway.

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And that's the shit that drives
me fucking nuts. I hate, hate

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hearing about this,
that every time

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that I do it, just
like basically the what's

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the word for corruption.
Corruption. That's, that's the

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the shit that just
makes me so angry and

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I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to see it

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because it, it
infuriates you. Yeah.

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Yeah. So this is kind of.
What do you think

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I got up to last night?
Well, it's a

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that's a classic Tuesday. The car
where you watching some videos,

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eating some food
and reading some books.

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So typically,
I catch up with my family

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on a Tuesday. Oh, sorry to say.
I guess that's. What we do.

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And my dad is rather
anti American and this has

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happened over the last,
say like 5 to 10 years.

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Part of this is just him
getting older and more stubborn.

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But I think that's just
what happens when you get older.

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But a large part of this
is is him really being

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against the kind of bully
that is the United States.

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And so in this
in his case, he's saying

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that just invading
countries left, right and centre,

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they've basically been
at war non-stop

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since the end of World War Two.
And there's

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getting into the kind of
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sort of deal.
And so we went on the 4th

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of July on America's
Independence Day,

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we went to an antiwar
documentary. Nice.

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It was a rather
small affair, small

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kind of cinema that
this is 50 people maximum. Okay.

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And it was
and because it was like

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this, it was kind of
not a known documentary.

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And it was kind of
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here in Australia,
which is an anti-war group.

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And so it was kind of like
spliced together. Okay.

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But it also just it wasn't
a cinematic show.

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I wasn't it was not
Hollywood wasn't. It wasn't yeah,

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it wasn't driven
by David Mesa like that.

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And that was pretty cool things.
And yeah, there was a

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couple of things in there.
They were talking about

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Kim Beazley, for example,
and just showing the links

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between how someone
will be in the Government,

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they'll be the Defence Minister
or the Ambassador to wherever,

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and they'll create
a position for themselves

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or create a position for a
a consulting company

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that is outside
of the government,

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but it needs to be filled
to consult for the government

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so they can kind of
create this taskforce

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or this role
that needs to be filled

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when they leave office.
They then fill that role

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whilst also being on the
board of a Lockheed Martin

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or these other actual companies
that make the weapons

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and things like this. And they've
basically shown how Kim Beazley

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had had done this
and he was on the advisory

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board for the ICPA,
which is the thing

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that was the international
Australian strategic plan,

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whatever is basically like you
just see how someone's

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in the government,
they create a role for themselves

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and they step into
that own thing,

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they hate that shit,
I hate it so much and so that

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that can piss me off
just hearing about those things

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is just a small Australian
example, right?

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There is obviously
the kind of governmental

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one where it's, you know, you're
not meant to do that. The what?

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What's the recent company here?
Our friend Pete, obviously

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they had tax stuff
and they're meant

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to be advising, you know,
the government on this.

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How these people shouldn't
be breaking the tax rules. Right.

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And then they're also consulting
with another company

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telling them how
to get around those rules,

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which they just created.
These other. Guys sounds.

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Yeah, it was.
It was obviously very. Close.

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It was they were advising on
how the government

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should structure that,
but also at the same time

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then advising clients on
how to get it kind of around

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what was going to be
coming up anyways, which that was

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confidential information
that could be shared

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across the companies,
which they were. Yeah.

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So this is the kind of
like government or corruption.

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There's a system of rules. You're
not meant to do that,

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but people do it anyway.
That that's kind of one level

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that I had a, another was kind
of the Hollywood

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entertainment type ones.
So David,

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how do you pronounce as.
Often as I myself am.

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Is l He was talking about
the internal politics

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within the companies,
and he could only do this

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if this happened.
And he talked to this guy and he

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he got an offer
to sell the company,

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but he was worried
if he went to his boss

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with this offer,
he would get fired

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on the spot or. Yeah, it's
all of these it's kind of

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this unwritten
rules, I guess you'd say.

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And this is kind of what happens
in Hollywood as well.

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You know, it's the Unwritten
and Harvey Weinstein,

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if you want this role,
you're going to have to sleep

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with the director type deal
that I think that is

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a type of politicking,
trying to get things to happen.

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It's not necessarily, you know,
making decisions in groups,

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but it it kind of feels like the
talk or things

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that happened before,
before the action, I guess.

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So I kind of put the
entertainment on my drama,

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I would even say is a type
of politics kind of.

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You mentioned the company
ones, the internal

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type of things. There's one.
Have you heard

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of real politic before?
So I'd heard this word

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and it always was really cool
because it ended with a K

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and I just liked the real politic
with a K at the end.

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And basically it's
a I think it was a Soviet

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invention, but I could
be getting that wrong. And it was

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basically politics doing
international geopolitics,

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but without an ideology informing
what decisions you make.

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And so instead you're,
you're following

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kind of more pragmatic.
So pragmatism without following

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ideology, ideological notions
or moral ethical premises

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and so this is really
you're making decisions trying to

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just get an outcome
that you want.

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And it doesn't matter.
You're not using, let's just say

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Nazi Germany,
you're not using the

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ideology of Jews are bad
and the because they're

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a, you know, rat like
disgusting, inferior creatures,

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you're not using that in ideology
to inform decisions

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that you're making
as a government.

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And it's really Otto Bismarck
is another good example of this

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kind of the Henry
Kissinger, the statesman,

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the type of you get shit done
and you don't

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actually care about the
flowery type of all this,

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but this is an American
democracy. We don't do this

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in democracies like
shut the fuck up. Yes.

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Because this is good
for the outcome. Yeah. Okay.

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So that's another kind of type.
And then I think there's

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you can even just have it
amongst friends, you know,

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we've got our friends
block party coming up

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and we need to decide what to do.
Someone suggested something

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and I was like, Man, I don't know
if I want to do that.

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You know, I think that
as a type of politicking,

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but in such a small level
that it's it's

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a different variety. Yeah, but
all of these have

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a kind of common theme. But the
the slightly different. Yeah.

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Well one of the things that as
you were talking through

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that has a bit of a common theme
so I was saying

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about the hierarchy.
So what leads me

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to one of the definitions
that I pulled up, right,

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because the sick one,
the company one that I was

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thinking in my mind,
which was periods

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as activities aimed
at improving someone's

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status or increasing power
within an organisation.

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So that could be
deemed as politics

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when you're trying to increase
the power or the status. But I

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don't necessarily think
that if you're trying to

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do something or an action
or debate where you're trying

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to influence the outcome,
I don't know so much

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whether that's a politics.
I think you can call it

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something else. You could call it
manipulation, you could

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call it networking,
you could call it whatever. But I

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think that that's
necessarily politics within those

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more closed structures.
So to give you an example,

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I don't I wouldn't say that
a debate between

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a group of friends around, hey,
we should be doing this

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for a bucks party,
that's not politics,

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because at the more
enclosed levels, it's not that

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people are trying
to get in a different

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status level nor
a different power dynamic that if

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that was to happen.
And so maybe an example

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for a buck to you
would be of someone

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flying up from Canberra was like,
Hey, no, I know him better.

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This is what we're doing
and this is what okay, now that's

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getting into politics
because you're talking

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about the dynamic of power,
of connection, of influence,

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of manipulation,
of network, all that

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that maybe is modern politics.
Same thing in the company.

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So I'll give you
a very clear example,

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and maybe I'm going to reveal
some secrets here

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that I don't know
if this is like widely

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known information, but.
Very comfortably. It's shared

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in my account in kind of most
consulting companies and in

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other areas of companies,
because you don't really see this

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in big public companies.
You don't see it in

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government agencies.
Sure as fuck see it in

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consulting agencies.
And if you all this way,

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it's going to call it influence,
I'm going to call it

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manipulation.
What are we going to call

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it? This is done.
Once you become a certain

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level in these companies,
you start when you're doing a

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big contract sales, when you're
interacting with people,

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you people are mapped out
in terms of who you working with.

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And so there's
as you would expect.

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Oh, there's the company
hierarchy org sheet isn't there.

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Is that, is that kind of.
But that's the, the formal one.

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But there might be
an informal one as well. Correct.

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So you know in company structures
you might hear it

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in like the who's who in the suit
who's a because there's

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the org structure
or the structure

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of what you work in.
That's one thing.

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Then there is the okay.
But really who's got the power,

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Who's got the influence?
There's also the mapping

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of, okay, well this particular
person's in this role,

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so we're going to need
this person

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and you going to manage
that relationship

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and that network.
So what do you call it? Managing,

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relationship manipulation,
influencing whatever

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you want to call it.
I call that politics. So I would

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say that that is it's the
and this this is the

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one I wasn't too sure
what to call it. Sneaky.

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What would this be?
So would this be politics

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in the sense
that you'd be doing that?

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So I'll give you.
I think so, yeah,

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because I'll give you
the differentiation.

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So I've seen it. I've seen it
firsthand, seen in my eyeballs

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where, you know,
you'll put a person and be

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like, okay, that's a
a plus three, which is a right.

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They're really good for us
all the way to minus three.

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They're really against us.
We need to move up to

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minus two, minus one zero.
Right? I've seen this man.

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This exists like this.
Stop it. And that's.

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And what is that based on?
On on their ability

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to influence a decision
or influence reputation?

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No, no, that's exactly.
There's more of the how?

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Well, there's two
plus one, how influential

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they are to any position into
how much are they towards us

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and how much are they
away from us. Obviously changes

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depending on, hey, this person
here, he's the one who's going to

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inform this other person of who
the contract should be won

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by or who we should go to call.
Yeah, I influence that

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to do this right.
This happens all the time,

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whether you want
to call it informally

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or I've seen it formally,
it happens. And to that level

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I go, okay, that's
that's internal politics.

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That's what
maybe you just might term

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as internal politics.
And I can see that

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internal politics
more specifically, though, is the

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also the movement between
that maybe two people

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who are the same level.
And so you have a conversation

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with the leader to go like,
oh, actually they're

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probably not that great.
And I can actually do

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a little bit better
and kind of underhanded

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in all this. That could also be
termed internal politics

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because you're you're
playing in the hierarchy,

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you're playing for political,
you're playing status levels.

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That's a very direct correlation
to internal politics. Okay.

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The boundary that I draw, though,
and just before we move away

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from type of politics is
take me, for instance.

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Now, I've been involved
in those conversations

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that were happening
about power mapping,

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and I wasn't senior enough
to like influence it.

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I was just like listening. Okay.
However, when I come

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into different positions,
especially in the companies

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that have been before,
I have inherent relationships

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that I've built up
naturally over many, many,

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many years. A lot of the times
I'm brought in to go

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into places to do work
because I've got these

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relationships,
it's just one hour, which is how

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I can influence people
in a more natural sense.

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And I can I know that I can
use my influence in terms

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of networking and conversations
to get things up.

449
00:21:56,105 --> 00:21:57,732
Someone messaged me
just the other day, you know,

450
00:21:57,732 --> 00:22:00,109
also like maybe three
or four questions in a row

451
00:22:00,109 --> 00:22:03,989
and a bit of a group context.
And I didn't have the answers,

452
00:22:03,989 --> 00:22:07,116
but I could get those
answers like in seconds,

453
00:22:07,659 --> 00:22:10,953
as opposed to maybe people
going chasing it out just because

454
00:22:09,994 --> 00:22:13,789
I knew your people.
And it's like, oh,

455
00:22:10,953 --> 00:22:15,459
the answer was like, Wow,
one night

456
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:17,251
everything was like that.
I know people. Yeah,

457
00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:18,711
you know that. I know
everything is going on.

458
00:22:18,711 --> 00:22:21,589
And then it kind of made
me think, Is that politics?

459
00:22:21,589 --> 00:22:23,008
Would you call that as the
definition of politics?

460
00:22:23,008 --> 00:22:25,676
Because I've got the influence
to be able to get answers

461
00:22:25,676 --> 00:22:30,222
where I need to or connect
with people I've got? Not really.

462
00:22:30,222 --> 00:22:32,976
And the not really portion
is because I'm not

463
00:22:32,976 --> 00:22:36,896
using it to influence
a movement of status and power.

464
00:22:36,896 --> 00:22:41,108
It's the knowledge of the status
and power structures that exists,

465
00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:44,904
but sort like getting
information from it

466
00:22:44,904 --> 00:22:49,785
without the need to
then impact that power structure

467
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,578
or that status.
I think that can be

468
00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:55,248
the difference in
that to kind of the

469
00:22:52,578 --> 00:22:57,041
little link that I see in
when you talk politics

470
00:22:55,248 --> 00:22:58,710
at the government level
into politics at a lower level

471
00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:02,838
where when the like, now
let's pull it up to a much

472
00:23:02,838 --> 00:23:06,134
higher level, different
top government politics if are to

473
00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:08,220
presidential candidates
talking, debating

474
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:12,057
as you would about a state
or what's going to happen

475
00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:14,142
to the community.
But the conversation is

476
00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:17,019
less about if the conversation
was never not about

477
00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:18,230
and it's always happens.
But if it wasn't about,

478
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:21,232
oh, you should vote for me
or you should put me in play

479
00:23:21,232 --> 00:23:25,569
first before this guy or whatnot.
But the conversation

480
00:23:23,192 --> 00:23:28,073
was purely about,
Oh no, this is best for this

481
00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:31,159
because he is his daughter
and he is what

482
00:23:29,324 --> 00:23:33,161
we've been informed by
and we think is going

483
00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:36,705
to be best because this
and the other party than perhaps

484
00:23:35,497 --> 00:23:38,125
but I've got this data
that shows this and whatnot

485
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:42,461
and you come to kind of agreement
or you debated

486
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:43,087
and that seems to be
the nice thing.

487
00:23:43,087 --> 00:23:46,924
I'd go, well, now I mean,
that was politics per

488
00:23:46,924 --> 00:23:49,719
say that you're debating,
but you are debating you.

489
00:23:49,719 --> 00:23:51,637
They're not influenced
by status and power.

490
00:23:51,637 --> 00:23:54,182
And that kind of takes away.
What I would say is

491
00:23:54,182 --> 00:23:55,642
maybe politics,
but then you'd go,

492
00:23:55,642 --> 00:23:59,145
okay, well, that
whole system is politics. Yeah,

493
00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,689
so it can get confusing.
But I'd say. Power.

494
00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:03,316
Power and status definitely
has to have something

495
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:05,026
to do with it. Yeah,
I think that was a

496
00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:06,361
good point you made,
because I probably am

497
00:24:06,361 --> 00:24:11,825
guilty of presenting a too
broad brush, especially

498
00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:13,868
in terms of companies
where I would look at

499
00:24:13,868 --> 00:24:16,913
what you were just saying then.
And normally I would just kind of

500
00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:19,207
that's all politics one,
go to that position

501
00:24:19,207 --> 00:24:22,001
because he was politicking,
he was doing these things,

502
00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:25,087
you know, the reputation, status
or all that sort of stuff.

503
00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:28,258
And then I go, you know,
you can probably work your

504
00:24:28,258 --> 00:24:35,557
way up to positions where
it is done just through

505
00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:37,267
things that are outside
of what I would say

506
00:24:35,557 --> 00:24:39,019
is politicking. If you're just a
really funny guy,

507
00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:44,607
you enter in a company,
you don't have any intentions

508
00:24:41,145 --> 00:24:46,776
to be top dog or anything,
but you're charming

509
00:24:44,607 --> 00:24:48,944
people like you
and this people have

510
00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:51,906
natural talents for this.
I'm sure you can get up

511
00:24:48,944 --> 00:24:54,910
into a position
where people would say,

512
00:24:51,906 --> 00:24:56,494
like me would say, Oh,
the only way you got

513
00:24:55,117 --> 00:24:57,913
there was through
kind of the devious

514
00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:00,915
strategic nature of
politicking to get there,

515
00:25:01,249 --> 00:25:04,461
calculating the risks and
strategic of this person

516
00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:06,546
is this I'm going
to make friends with them,

517
00:25:06,546 --> 00:25:09,715
much like the David myself
was saying, you know,

518
00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:12,760
he needed to know
this guy to do this thing.

519
00:25:12,885 --> 00:25:14,721
That is kind of what
I would call politics.

520
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:21,519
Well, let me correct you. I want
to be super clear that what I'm

521
00:25:19,392 --> 00:25:23,020
saying is like, now,
now when I go in and have

522
00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:26,316
these conversations
with people and whatnot, I didn't

523
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:29,068
turn those politics on
because it's it's pre-existing.

524
00:25:29,068 --> 00:25:32,780
But I sure as heck
got plenty of politics on the way

525
00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:34,824
through to do it
because yeah that

526
00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:35,407
that I'd go cool
That was the internal

527
00:25:35,407 --> 00:25:39,788
politics in the sense
that I knew exactly how you know

528
00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,705
getting promoted worked
who to talk to,

529
00:25:41,705 --> 00:25:43,415
who had the influence,
who had the money.

530
00:25:43,415 --> 00:25:47,586
And I'll use all that shit
to get promoted. So that's

531
00:25:47,586 --> 00:25:50,589
you can acquire and work
through status and power

532
00:25:50,798 --> 00:25:53,218
indefinitely in politics.
And I think, yes, you'd call

533
00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:56,555
that internal politics
and companies. And that's

534
00:25:54,928 --> 00:25:58,431
what people often say,
Oh, I hate the internal

535
00:25:56,555 --> 00:26:01,809
politics and companies. It can be
nice and they

536
00:25:59,891 --> 00:26:04,144
can be like real shit.
So you can have kind of

537
00:26:01,809 --> 00:26:06,730
like both variations.
But I think you can

538
00:26:04,144 --> 00:26:11,111
you can definitely debate
and use power

539
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:13,279
and status and influence,
but without it being politics,

540
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,409
without it coming into play,
with the need to shift that power

541
00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:20,412
or influence to the like
to a certain level, that

542
00:26:20,619 --> 00:26:22,705
then it's like, okay, now
you're playing politics.

543
00:26:22,705 --> 00:26:24,624
Yeah, yeah.
Which it can be great.

544
00:26:24,624 --> 00:26:27,251
I think it's a very grey zone
there in the middle and.

545
00:26:27,251 --> 00:26:29,921
I think it
probably gets more dark

546
00:26:29,921 --> 00:26:34,884
as you get to the top.
And I use dark specifically

547
00:26:32,257 --> 00:26:36,510
as in more negative
when you're at the lower

548
00:26:34,884 --> 00:26:39,513
end, when you're
the graduate engineer,

549
00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:42,182
minor pleb that I was,
you're a shining beacon

550
00:26:39,513 --> 00:26:43,934
of, of whiteness
because you have no idea

551
00:26:42,182 --> 00:26:47,355
about anything. You just come in.
You know, someone told me once

552
00:26:45,311 --> 00:26:49,398
that graduate engineers
can't get made redundant,

553
00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:51,817
and I kind of
just was like, Yeah, that

554
00:26:49,398 --> 00:26:52,902
that kind of makes sense.
Because. Like.

555
00:26:52,902 --> 00:26:54,945
It was that was it really.
And I'm listening to this

556
00:26:54,945 --> 00:26:57,031
interesting podcast right now.
I'll pull out just to make sure

557
00:26:57,031 --> 00:27:00,160
I don't get the name wrong.
But you know, biology. Yeah.

558
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,039
I mean, how does his last name.
Srinivasan He's having a

559
00:27:02,077 --> 00:27:05,707
chat with Peter McCormack.
It's about 3 hours

560
00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:07,625
I'm just listening to
at the moment.

561
00:27:07,625 --> 00:27:10,711
Great, great conversation.
I would definitely suggest

562
00:27:10,711 --> 00:27:12,463
you listen to blogs,
you talk about anything.

563
00:27:12,463 --> 00:27:15,008
I'm going to mention him.
But he made a little

564
00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:17,134
you made a little quiet
about a banker,

565
00:27:17,134 --> 00:27:19,846
that a European banker is like a
really well-known banker.

566
00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:21,347
And he pulled out of this
quite during the great

567
00:27:21,347 --> 00:27:23,682
financial crisis about, you know,
how bad it was getting.

568
00:27:23,682 --> 00:27:27,019
And he was like,
oh, this is the best quote

569
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,270
you can kind of plot
from these bankers and whatnot.

570
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:29,897
And again,
this is politics at the

571
00:27:29,897 --> 00:27:32,567
like banking slash
government level.

572
00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:36,445
And it was something along
the lines of like, you know,

573
00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:37,571
when it's really bad,
you just have to lie.

574
00:27:37,571 --> 00:27:41,076
And that kind of like
paints a complete picture

575
00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:42,661
of, you know, man
at the very top, I'm talking,

576
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,412
you know, people
who are like really

577
00:27:44,412 --> 00:27:48,916
the power metres, the people
who are influencing

578
00:27:46,455 --> 00:27:54,255
very large sway things
for sure that there is a hardcore

579
00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:57,549
level of politics in the,
you know, the, you know,

580
00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:58,634
the state, the deep state,
all that, that

581
00:27:58,634 --> 00:28:01,429
you can play the cards
on a lot of those things.

582
00:28:01,429 --> 00:28:03,847
That's what it all is.
Just check out Australia system

583
00:28:03,847 --> 00:28:07,394
and how many
prime ministers we've had

584
00:28:05,099 --> 00:28:08,894
in the last 20 years
something and it's half of them

585
00:28:08,894 --> 00:28:11,897
haven't even been elected
in, they've kind of

586
00:28:12,272 --> 00:28:16,152
taken it. But yeah. Whilst there.
So yeah, definitely the higher

587
00:28:16,152 --> 00:28:20,323
you get to the top, the more
there is the politicking

588
00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:22,241
in politics
and at the bottom it's,

589
00:28:22,241 --> 00:28:25,619
it's probably less sorry
because the people are

590
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:26,913
at the bottom.
Well if they're doing

591
00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:29,582
the politicking they're going up
pretty, pretty quick.

592
00:28:29,582 --> 00:28:31,125
So now that's
a lot of time politics

593
00:28:32,501 --> 00:28:34,170
going in quite a bit with
this type of politics.

594
00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:35,922
You want to touch on some
of the beast programs.

595
00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:38,924
Yeah, let's do that.
Do we have any comments at all

596
00:28:37,589 --> 00:28:40,093
that we want to address
before we get

597
00:28:38,924 --> 00:28:41,594
into the Scrum lounge?
No, nothing in the live chat.

598
00:28:41,594 --> 00:28:45,515
What I will just say,
though, is while you bring

599
00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:48,768
them up is one thing
I have done is the getting

600
00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:52,271
the PayPal sorted. So that is now
in the funding tag

601
00:28:52,271 --> 00:28:55,232
in our actual RSS feed.
So if you're going on to

602
00:28:55,232 --> 00:28:58,569
many of the podcasting apps
and you see

603
00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:59,237
a little dollar sign there
and you click that,

604
00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:02,740
that will take you to a place
where you can send in a PayPal.

605
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:05,701
It has my name on it.
But it's that's just because

606
00:29:05,701 --> 00:29:09,455
I put it as a personal thing
so well that that will all

607
00:29:07,996 --> 00:29:11,082
get split
and we'll kind of include

608
00:29:11,082 --> 00:29:15,753
that in the booster gram lounge.
I actually haven't checked

609
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:18,131
that at the moment.
I can't imagine anyone's

610
00:29:15,753 --> 00:29:19,214
sent anything in.
So for folks at home,

611
00:29:19,214 --> 00:29:20,799
that would mean
like you're talking

612
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,719
it is going to be
a new podcasting app.

613
00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:27,182
Was this from any IT pool?
You know,

614
00:29:25,137 --> 00:29:28,767
it's the funding target.
It got a bit more acceptance

615
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:32,019
than some things like the
transcripts, for example.

616
00:29:32,228 --> 00:29:35,815
So I think and because it was
really easy to implement.

617
00:29:35,815 --> 00:29:39,277
So I think it will be
further along

618
00:29:39,903 --> 00:29:41,488
you'll you'll find it
in more places

619
00:29:41,488 --> 00:29:46,159
than perhaps you'll find
on ping or chapters. But yeah,

620
00:29:44,365 --> 00:29:48,661
you won't find it
in Apple or will Spotify

621
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:54,375
for example. So gotcha.
But you will find it

622
00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:56,711
in a decent app too.
But for folks who don't

623
00:29:54,375 --> 00:29:59,506
use OSes and apps, I should.
So what I will be

624
00:29:57,836 --> 00:30:02,467
starting to do is
I'll put the link to that

625
00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:06,011
in actual show notes
and I will integrate it

626
00:30:02,592 --> 00:30:09,140
into the Immortals podcast
dot com slash support so

627
00:30:06,011 --> 00:30:12,852
you'll be able to find it
in definitely now showing

628
00:30:10,182 --> 00:30:15,730
it's going forward. Beautiful.
There you go.

629
00:30:13,728 --> 00:30:17,773
Thank you very much. All right.
Well, let's get into

630
00:30:16,021 --> 00:30:18,942
the actual full beast
coming down. Yeah. Once again,

631
00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:22,612
it was time for us to just
say thanks to the people

632
00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:24,823
who are supporting us through
the use of your games.

633
00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:26,240
I don't know how
we're going to do. You know,

634
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,617
we're going to talk about
people who support us

635
00:30:28,617 --> 00:30:31,328
through the PayPal way as well,
through the App Store.

636
00:30:31,328 --> 00:30:33,205
We can figure that out.
We can talk through that.

637
00:30:33,205 --> 00:30:36,917
I think we can do that maybe even
at the very end, because

638
00:30:36,917 --> 00:30:40,046
just to encourage it,
to do it. To boost

639
00:30:40,046 --> 00:30:42,632
your game and do it
in the earlier trade. Good point.

640
00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,592
But let's get through this
and then we can talk about

641
00:30:44,592 --> 00:30:46,928
very briefly and
how that support helps us.

642
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:49,096
And then at the very end
stage, you know, we talk about

643
00:30:49,096 --> 00:30:52,099
how you can also get involved
if you want to participate. Yes.

644
00:30:52,099 --> 00:30:56,770
So we've got, as always,
a dependable Dave Jones

645
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,523
weekly boost for the Be
More Light Nation 12,112.

646
00:30:59,523 --> 00:31:03,403
That's it using Corona.
Thank you. Thank you so much.

647
00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:05,821
Someone wants
to do something similar.

648
00:31:05,821 --> 00:31:08,199
There is a service
you can use with Alby

649
00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:12,161
and it's called ARC.
I believe I've got time

650
00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:14,288
to check it out myself.
But if you type in,

651
00:31:14,288 --> 00:31:17,959
you know, lightning wallet arc,
I believe it gives you the option

652
00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:22,380
to be able to send
in a recurring boost

653
00:31:18,917 --> 00:31:24,548
or a recurring payment.
Without setting it up once.

654
00:31:24,548 --> 00:31:29,345
Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Dave,
thank you very much.

655
00:31:29,345 --> 00:31:32,932
One here from Macintosh.
Great conversation, gentlemen.

656
00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:37,811
5000 stats and using fountain.
He's getting up there. You know,

657
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:40,815
I did do the update
of all the numbers and numbers.

658
00:31:40,856 --> 00:31:43,442
Wix was actually having trouble.
I couldn't actually

659
00:31:43,442 --> 00:31:46,487
I was copying and pasting
all the updated numbers

660
00:31:44,693 --> 00:31:49,031
into the sheet and it was just
continually freezing. Nice.

661
00:31:49,031 --> 00:31:54,787
This was a day or two ago,
so I do need to retry that,

662
00:31:51,784 --> 00:31:58,875
if you can remind me. And
yeah, him and McCormack

663
00:31:55,579 --> 00:32:03,003
of standing up get up close the
you know they're not super

664
00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:04,463
super close but because
a couple more of those is going.

665
00:32:04,463 --> 00:32:09,801
To get to the. Handy. Yeah yeah.
We've got one from bad

666
00:32:07,215 --> 00:32:12,846
career advice Chad Good shit.
I love that. 1111 set.

667
00:32:12,846 --> 00:32:15,516
So you've had an idea
with the podcast before,

668
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:17,727
but thank you very much.
Yeah, it was a good one.

669
00:32:15,516 --> 00:32:20,520
Thank you, my friend.
Lithium lyceum. Lithium.

670
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,481
Great upside.
Happy Independence Day.

671
00:32:22,481 --> 00:32:27,444
Liberty boost America. Yes
that is what Linda.

672
00:32:27,444 --> 00:32:31,115
Skog Thank you will enjoy.
Episode 17 of the Secular Foxhole

673
00:32:31,115 --> 00:32:35,077
Best premises Modern Modern 736.
That's an easy them.

674
00:32:35,077 --> 00:32:38,163
Yeah so the secular
foxhole is it's

675
00:32:38,163 --> 00:32:42,250
kind of like an atheistic
type and rand podcast

676
00:32:42,292 --> 00:32:46,631
if you're if you're into
atheist or secularism

677
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:51,385
I should say yes the secular
and yeah I saw that come through

678
00:32:51,426 --> 00:32:58,351
as I was at the antiwar protest,
not a protest and antiwar.

679
00:32:58,351 --> 00:33:01,104
Document. I'm pretty sure
that's next year.

680
00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:02,771
He's got to know where Australia.
And so I think

681
00:33:02,771 --> 00:33:05,775
he just sends it in
because he likes the job

682
00:33:05,775 --> 00:33:10,363
and yeah, you know,
if anyone else wants

683
00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:12,990
to send some nice numbers
in, we've got the 8383,

684
00:33:10,363 --> 00:33:13,991
the baby boost,
Baby boost for one.

685
00:33:13,991 --> 00:33:16,994
So I forgot about this
number numerology.

686
00:33:17,077 --> 00:33:19,454
Support for want that.
That's a good one. And yeah

687
00:33:19,454 --> 00:33:23,291
well I'll highlight
some of more more of those

688
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:26,045
in the future. Good.
Now we've got a couple of

689
00:33:23,291 --> 00:33:28,256
come in today at the time that
I really enjoyed for I am

690
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:31,467
Peter has come through
quite heavy here with

691
00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:35,137
quite a few coming through
so once again. He was obviously

692
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:39,017
catching up.
He All right, here we go. Peter

693
00:33:36,471 --> 00:33:41,477
first agreed All of these
coming through them,

694
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:43,813
found them, agreed.
The best interviews are the ones

695
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,272
with the interview. It comes off
as a genuinely interested

696
00:33:45,272 --> 00:33:47,733
in the subject's viewpoint.
You guys do a good job of this

697
00:33:47,733 --> 00:33:50,653
just 222 SATs
and using fountain now

698
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:53,448
by of Line-Up conversation
with Jeff

699
00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:56,451
you next Thursday I'll be
there will be beautiful

700
00:33:56,491 --> 00:33:59,162
and my my key goal
going into that is

701
00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:00,747
yes have a list of nights
and questions

702
00:34:00,747 --> 00:34:03,750
I've got which I've got
some good ones to go there

703
00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:06,169
but it's about being
genuinely interested.

704
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:09,338
And I go a don't want to
go in there an interview.

705
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,007
It's going to be
just purely like this.

706
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:14,719
This dude knows a lot
and he's involved heavily

707
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,764
right at the forefront
of a lot of things. I was going

708
00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:20,599
to be genuinely interested
to ask questions like Just ask.

709
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,768
The easy thing is
you've already done

710
00:34:21,516 --> 00:34:25,521
one with them.
That is a good plan.

711
00:34:22,768 --> 00:34:28,273
It helps tremendously.
I've noticed all the second ones.

712
00:34:28,273 --> 00:34:29,942
The repeats I've done
have just been.

713
00:34:29,942 --> 00:34:32,778
Some of them easier,
just as an additional to the time

714
00:34:32,778 --> 00:34:34,780
I'm doing it here, which
like the first one was,

715
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:37,032
he actually has a podcast
room in his office.

716
00:34:37,032 --> 00:34:39,911
Oh, I was like,
Dave. Was his office.

717
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:44,331
In the city, so not coming in.
So there's actual

718
00:34:41,454 --> 00:34:46,208
like a monochrome start.
It's not a working shed,

719
00:34:44,331 --> 00:34:48,085
working space or anything.
No, it's a fool's base.

720
00:34:48,085 --> 00:34:50,045
Oh, so he's
got a podcast room to it.

721
00:34:50,045 --> 00:34:52,547
I was like, Damn sake,
let's do it. Then.

722
00:34:52,547 --> 00:34:55,967
It's like one from Beta
for the Greater Good

723
00:34:53,632 --> 00:34:57,929
was used to justify every tyranny
throughout history.

724
00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:00,389
Khan has the right to take
on this one one

725
00:35:00,389 --> 00:35:03,059
because perfect safety
is never possible

726
00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:06,813
and your of save information
is not something

727
00:35:04,893 --> 00:35:08,231
you get to impose on me.
Free information

728
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:09,398
is only a problem
for people who are lying.

729
00:35:09,398 --> 00:35:15,070
Grey Talk 7727 stats.
That was definitely the

730
00:35:11,608 --> 00:35:17,532
censorship said yeah yeah
not much that. Not. The

731
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:21,494
outspoken. Peter
spoken from the view side.

732
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:23,579
Well I'm not 100% great at this.
I've been trying

733
00:35:23,579 --> 00:35:26,581
to not post dwell
on anything very negative.

734
00:35:26,916 --> 00:35:29,710
If I strongly disagree
with someone who I respect,

735
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:31,503
I think it's okay
to post one to explain

736
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:34,090
your point of view.
But after that, keep your opinion

737
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:35,925
to yourself and move on.
Don't be annoying

738
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:37,510
about your opinions.
No. To those 222 stats.

739
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:40,512
Yeah, that's a good one.
I, I had this recently actually.

740
00:35:40,512 --> 00:35:44,224
Those on the bitcoin Dad podcast
they had this guy

741
00:35:44,224 --> 00:35:46,811
and he was just a shit
talker basically.

742
00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:51,440
And I try to word
as nicely as possible. I was like

743
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,695
because basically he was claiming
if people had listened to him,

744
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,195
if there it would
have never happened

745
00:35:57,195 --> 00:36:00,867
and it all would have
happened on Bitcoin because his

746
00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:03,369
whatever it was,
if people had just

747
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:05,079
listened to him, that
that would happen.

748
00:36:03,369 --> 00:36:08,708
Due to playing politics.
As a couple,

749
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:12,085
as a couple of things. Are you.
Stupid is obviously what vitalik.

750
00:36:12,085 --> 00:36:16,382
Was a smart guy, but yes. Yeah,
he was a smart guy, but

751
00:36:16,382 --> 00:36:19,092
his communication style
is just all. Shocking. Wrong.

752
00:36:19,092 --> 00:36:23,847
And yeah, I was
just trying to do that

753
00:36:20,844 --> 00:36:26,309
boundary point of like, yeah,
this guy's a little bit,

754
00:36:26,309 --> 00:36:31,981
this is a bit much. But yeah,
yeah, Peter's correct. It's, it's

755
00:36:29,853 --> 00:36:35,233
not nice to dwell. It's unhelpful
to do. Well. Here's

756
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:37,612
another one from Peter.
I only play a doctor on

757
00:36:35,233 --> 00:36:38,653
the internet one and two,
I really enjoy hearing car

758
00:36:38,653 --> 00:36:40,655
and come to these
evolutions of character

759
00:36:40,655 --> 00:36:42,824
being someone who is good at cult
pickups likely does

760
00:36:42,824 --> 00:36:45,494
come with some unintended
consequences.

761
00:36:45,494 --> 00:36:48,789
Yeah, that's true as well. That's
3333 sets. Yeah, I'm.

762
00:36:49,998 --> 00:36:52,543
I haven't actually
thought more about it,

763
00:36:52,543 --> 00:36:57,840
to be honest. I still am doing it
like in the gym, chatting

764
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,550
with the girl today.
Nothing happened from it,

765
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,137
but it's not.
It's trying to build it

766
00:37:00,550 --> 00:37:07,141
into my normal everyday life.
So I'm not like going out

767
00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:10,603
of my way, sectioning off
chunks of time. I think it's

768
00:37:10,603 --> 00:37:13,813
this is why
it's like the good aspect

769
00:37:11,061 --> 00:37:16,317
of it is like, Oh,
I can just chat

770
00:37:13,813 --> 00:37:18,693
with someone and yeah.
That's and here's

771
00:37:16,317 --> 00:37:23,282
a little story actually. So I'm
I wouldn't necessarily that

772
00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:24,992
I would be a very good
pick up person. I'm

773
00:37:23,282 --> 00:37:27,369
not I'm not a good.
But there is the,

774
00:37:27,369 --> 00:37:29,956
there is a particular technique
I would say in having

775
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:34,793
a converse session about anything
with an individual

776
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:37,088
who you don't really know
at random,

777
00:37:34,793 --> 00:37:37,672
which can be pretty good.
That's, that's good.

778
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:40,757
And you can learn that
from a cult up for sure.

779
00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:44,262
Now you go into a cult,
pick up with certain

780
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:47,639
outcomes in mind, get a number,
take them home, do whatever.

781
00:37:48,682 --> 00:37:52,186
But I think if you shift
the outcomes to be interested,

782
00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:57,275
have a conversation, pass time.
The same skill set

783
00:37:54,313 --> 00:37:57,775
is really good as long.
So as long as you're

784
00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,485
focusing on the skill
set of conversation

785
00:38:00,485 --> 00:38:03,280
and you change the outcome,
then fantastic. But I think it's

786
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,157
it's more along the lines
of the outcome itself

787
00:38:06,157 --> 00:38:08,286
being the thing
that you evolve over

788
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:11,204
less the skill set
because the skill set

789
00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:13,123
can be fantastic.
So as an example, today

790
00:38:13,123 --> 00:38:16,001
I went on a run in the
afternoon with my people.

791
00:38:16,001 --> 00:38:19,005
It was a group of white
people that never run with

792
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:21,715
the normal,
had to figure out the name

793
00:38:21,715 --> 00:38:23,550
and it was kind of
like you to pass the call

794
00:38:22,507 --> 00:38:26,262
pick up. I went back
directly to people, Hey,

795
00:38:26,262 --> 00:38:30,266
what's name Xavier, also
where you come from and just go.

796
00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:32,768
It's like there's
no filter, there's no stopping,

797
00:38:32,768 --> 00:38:35,980
just like you would with a
walking up to someone

798
00:38:34,019 --> 00:38:38,983
and having a conversation.
But it's a skill set

799
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:40,275
that becomes powerful
as long as you shifted away

800
00:38:40,275 --> 00:38:41,943
from the outcome of you
trying to get to correct?

801
00:38:41,943 --> 00:38:45,155
Yeah, I almost, almost
did something good today

802
00:38:45,155 --> 00:38:48,367
and then I screwed it up
because I was at the gym

803
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:50,244
in the outdoor areas.
Currently, I saw this guy

804
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:51,996
in the car park
and he was picking up

805
00:38:50,244 --> 00:38:54,123
rubbish and I was like,
That's fucking cool. Like,

806
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:57,751
I want to. I did that once
and someone gave me some props.

807
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:59,503
So you want to jump.
And it was like up, you know,

808
00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:04,425
it's a good reinforcing
thing, so easy. It's an easy win

809
00:39:02,505 --> 00:39:06,677
all round. I get to say something
nice to someone, he gets.

810
00:39:06,677 --> 00:39:09,764
A appreciate.
For doing a good thing.

811
00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:10,722
Absolutely. He said
you just threw rubbish.

812
00:39:11,681 --> 00:39:16,061
Yeah, yeah.
Open instead of active

813
00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:19,065
and come out.
The Celtics came out

814
00:39:16,061 --> 00:39:21,192
and I showed Kirsten.
Now he walked away and

815
00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:22,068
then he walked too far.
And then it was just like,

816
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:25,237
oh I'd have to
yell out to him to do it. Yeah.

817
00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:27,114
If I was on the money,
you know, if I was in,

818
00:39:27,114 --> 00:39:29,199
in game mode. Yep.
I wouldn't have. Happened.

819
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,702
I could have, I could have
made it happen. But I wasn't.

820
00:39:32,702 --> 00:39:36,456
I was, you know, he walked away
and then I went,

821
00:39:34,246 --> 00:39:38,376
Oh, sure, said something.
Yeah, that. But I would have said

822
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:40,753
something if he'd come back. Hey,
guys, The power of the.

823
00:39:40,753 --> 00:39:44,047
People who pick up
rubbish currently. See? Yeah.

824
00:39:44,047 --> 00:39:46,675
And I want from Peter.
Just do the I think you put it,

825
00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:49,719
I think it's going through 100
just these days alone.

826
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,974
I think it's because he saw Dave
Jones is getting close

827
00:39:50,887 --> 00:39:55,809
to about the midway point
of catching up to him

828
00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:56,976
and he's like, no.
No, no, no, no.

829
00:39:56,976 --> 00:39:59,563
Now we're going to do something.
We talking about that

830
00:39:57,853 --> 00:40:01,773
if we if someone hits
100 million, we're going

831
00:39:59,563 --> 00:40:06,070
to fly out to them. I can't tell.
He would not I don't know.

832
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:09,114
Another Peter. I imagine the vast
majority of papers

833
00:40:09,114 --> 00:40:11,951
were written in the same
spirit of how you were.

834
00:40:11,951 --> 00:40:14,744
Be sceptical of people who claim
to be experts in the field

835
00:40:13,284 --> 00:40:17,748
anymore. Let's just 222 sets
and eating fountain.

836
00:40:18,248 --> 00:40:22,420
In a row of ducks think.
Yeah, that's a good point.

837
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:28,050
Be sceptical of people
who claim to be experts

838
00:40:25,755 --> 00:40:31,469
in the field. It's yeah,
that's a hard one. Expert

839
00:40:29,592 --> 00:40:33,639
Maybe we should do a whole
topic on this because.

840
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,016
Well, yeah. Yeah.
I was going to say useful.

841
00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:40,771
Yeah, explicitly. Useful.
But also if you challenge

842
00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:43,773
an expert, but the expert
is sort of leading

843
00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:46,068
the field in a particular
I don't know if I think maybe

844
00:40:46,068 --> 00:40:50,114
you can't necessarily
challenge them. Sceptical.

845
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:53,284
I don't know. Maybe. Maybe that's
a whole topic in itself.

846
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:55,034
That's a good one. Peter.
Thank you. Thanks.

847
00:40:55,034 --> 00:40:58,581
And another one from Peter.
I wish I had time

848
00:40:57,036 --> 00:40:59,498
for another podcast.
Too many things to do.

849
00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:03,293
Just wanted to 2000
using something all. Around

850
00:41:01,958 --> 00:41:08,715
man he's still is still
got a lot of podcasts is there

851
00:41:05,795 --> 00:41:10,509
is a is a boost in mania
there is a guy

852
00:41:08,715 --> 00:41:12,427
called the boosting maniac
but he's Peter's

853
00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:13,721
probably like the boost.
He's the actual one.

854
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:16,264
Is the boosting wizard
maybe yeah.

855
00:41:16,264 --> 00:41:18,224
Then and the final one
as far as I know,

856
00:41:18,224 --> 00:41:22,646
the word anarchy stands
for without rulers

857
00:41:19,601 --> 00:41:24,398
instead of without rules.
I've been meaning to look this up

858
00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:28,693
because I do have a
there is a streak in me

859
00:41:27,108 --> 00:41:32,364
that wants to know
more about this particular

860
00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:34,492
brand of of thought
because it is kind of

861
00:41:32,655 --> 00:41:37,494
kind of close to libertarianism,
which is something I also

862
00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:41,831
I seem to enjoy
or I seem to enjoy

863
00:41:41,831 --> 00:41:44,751
listening to people
who are along those lines.

864
00:41:44,751 --> 00:41:49,088
But then I mean,
but then I hear something

865
00:41:46,085 --> 00:41:53,885
like Michael MOULITSAS,
the anarchist probably one of the

866
00:41:50,465 --> 00:41:56,304
the most notable one perhaps of
of recent times.

867
00:41:56,304 --> 00:41:59,432
And man, he talks a lot
about politics. And yeah.

868
00:41:59,432 --> 00:42:03,978
I've actually not listened
to any of the podcast. Well,

869
00:42:03,103 --> 00:42:05,981
I haven't even listened
to much of his podcast,

870
00:42:03,978 --> 00:42:07,106
especially like 3 minutes.
I'm just going, Yeah, yeah,

871
00:42:07,106 --> 00:42:12,487
I'm not interested, honestly.
So yeah. News getting into

872
00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:14,322
too much of the political.
Yeah. Yeah. In any case

873
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:15,157
focusing you very much
for all this BS to

874
00:42:15,157 --> 00:42:18,702
so that is that was a huge
ROI of these scams

875
00:42:18,702 --> 00:42:20,496
coming through.
Yeah that's probably

876
00:42:20,496 --> 00:42:24,875
almost closing on 100
K of assets. Yeah.

877
00:42:24,875 --> 00:42:27,460
Well I'll be 20
I think I'll just like

878
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:30,965
quickly tallied up Peter's
which was 20. That's right.

879
00:42:30,965 --> 00:42:34,467
That's an absolutely,
it'd be more like 50 more

880
00:42:32,090 --> 00:42:36,719
50 probably around that. Yeah.
Not a huge amount to be honest.

881
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,722
50 and I'd have to do
the numbers really, but

882
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:41,891
it's starting to
you know we're not,

883
00:42:41,891 --> 00:42:47,146
we're not too many
multipliers away from its self

884
00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:48,606
sourcing the podcast
as in like completely yeah.

885
00:42:48,606 --> 00:42:51,902
Allowing the podcast to just
at a bare minimum suffice.

886
00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:53,487
Now there's a few other costs
that are included there

887
00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:57,365
that probably don't tune it,
but yeah, we're talking

888
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,324
I'm not talking here
like a multiplier of 100.

889
00:42:58,324 --> 00:43:01,244
I'm talking two or three
multiples and coop

890
00:43:01,244 --> 00:43:02,829
where we're rolling
in the deep of it.

891
00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:08,626
So the actual numbers,
so in quarter one of 2023,

892
00:43:08,626 --> 00:43:16,927
where we're at, So as of March,
but as of April 1st,

893
00:43:11,838 --> 00:43:19,387
we're at 4.36 million.
So that's being sent in and now

894
00:43:19,387 --> 00:43:26,186
we're up to about 5.1
as of the 1st of July. Yeah,

895
00:43:23,224 --> 00:43:27,605
so that was about 800,000,
something like that getting sent

896
00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:28,938
in, maybe just
slightly less than that

897
00:43:28,938 --> 00:43:36,530
and in like a three month period.
Oh, how's my math

898
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:41,659
before eight times. 832. The 320.
So that's like 1520 bucks.

899
00:43:41,659 --> 00:43:44,621
That's really, that's Yeah.
That's,

900
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:45,371
that's pretty close. Yeah.
And that's

901
00:43:44,621 --> 00:43:46,331
what I'm talking about.
Like, you know, where

902
00:43:46,331 --> 00:43:49,460
I think that Bitcoin three
handles, that's a few multiples

903
00:43:47,875 --> 00:43:50,628
away from it
going like, okay, cool.

904
00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:53,172
That's awesome.
That's, that's self,

905
00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:53,838
that's self satisfying.
The podcast

906
00:43:53,838 --> 00:43:57,259
for the hosting to paying
for the audio equipment.

907
00:43:57,425 --> 00:44:00,012
The software from like
an Adobe perspective

908
00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:03,849
plus all of these other things.
Which we try and keep

909
00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:06,018
pretty low level anyway.
So yep, everyone

910
00:44:06,018 --> 00:44:10,021
every sat that you send in
makes a difference. Absolutely.

911
00:44:08,061 --> 00:44:11,190
Really, really, really.
The impression

912
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:13,233
I get back to politics,
I was pretty miserable.

913
00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:16,778
Thank you very much. So Jim,
until the end, we'll talk about a

914
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:19,405
little bit more of those,
how you can participate

915
00:44:17,862 --> 00:44:20,990
in the boost as well.
Definitely. Definitely.

916
00:44:19,405 --> 00:44:23,077
All right. Check this out.
So the way people behave, this is

917
00:44:23,077 --> 00:44:26,996
this is just the the thing
that I got in the clips.

918
00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:30,668
So for so for people
who were wondering like a car

919
00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,670
and you seem to be
exaggerating perhaps what

920
00:44:34,045 --> 00:44:36,422
the clips were like,
the kind of reaction

921
00:44:36,422 --> 00:44:39,802
that you were getting from them.
As in like the comments

922
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:41,260
on the comments.
The comments that people

923
00:44:39,802 --> 00:44:42,721
were sending through.
So I'm going to go. Molly Well,

924
00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:44,764
you pull them up.
I'll pull some stats of those

925
00:44:44,764 --> 00:44:49,811
quite specific ones,
just in terms of how many people

926
00:44:48,101 --> 00:44:51,938
were commenting in that. Yeah,
so I'm going over to here.

927
00:44:51,938 --> 00:44:58,027
So this is the first one
that Pete sent. So in terms

928
00:44:55,693 --> 00:45:01,782
of actual numbers as well,
so this one got viewed

929
00:44:58,027 --> 00:45:04,451
46,000 47,000 times.
Typically we'll get before

930
00:45:01,782 --> 00:45:05,952
this was happening it was like
in the hundreds though,

931
00:45:05,952 --> 00:45:10,498
it's like 100 exponentially of,
of whatever of whatever

932
00:45:07,746 --> 00:45:13,543
we normally got. So let's jump
into the comments here.

933
00:45:13,835 --> 00:45:16,755
And in comments
it was about 280 comments

934
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:19,842
on these ones and those 89 shares
or cents with

935
00:45:18,548 --> 00:45:22,052
or something like that.
So this once again proves

936
00:45:22,052 --> 00:45:25,639
not everyone should have
a podcast, must be jealous of him

937
00:45:23,469 --> 00:45:27,266
because must break over
his hair and he can't. Bro said

938
00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:29,726
I am alpha in the relationship
to our first wife

939
00:45:29,726 --> 00:45:31,269
on the first night
of their marriage.

940
00:45:31,269 --> 00:45:32,646
I don't even know
what that means.

941
00:45:32,646 --> 00:45:35,065
No idea what happened
to your comment section.

942
00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:38,402
Man 200 comments.
The muscle cells

943
00:45:36,023 --> 00:45:40,278
really came out in droves.
Don't listen to me. Keep doing

944
00:45:39,068 --> 00:45:43,030
what you're doing.
Who? Are you sure

945
00:45:40,278 --> 00:45:44,115
that you're smart enough
to recognise a genius

946
00:45:44,115 --> 00:45:45,617
when you start
using filler sentences

947
00:45:45,617 --> 00:45:48,704
to get the word count
on your essay? You honest

948
00:45:47,411 --> 00:45:50,621
and smart, are cool.
You have pros proof,

949
00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:52,416
you honest and smart. Great
top right. And it was just

950
00:45:54,126 --> 00:45:55,626
I don't want to deal
with this, to be honest.

951
00:45:55,626 --> 00:45:59,255
It's it was a clip,
not even of me speaking.

952
00:45:59,255 --> 00:46:04,719
It was a. Mm hmm.
I didn't intentionally

953
00:46:00,923 --> 00:46:05,887
put this one to generate.
To incite this.

954
00:46:05,887 --> 00:46:10,141
I was on the borderline
of when I saw the Trump

955
00:46:10,141 --> 00:46:13,478
one come up.
And basically what I do is

956
00:46:13,478 --> 00:46:16,273
it all goes to YouTube.
Every clip I go to YouTube,

957
00:46:16,273 --> 00:46:19,902
the ones that kind of kick
off their a little bit,

958
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:21,195
I then share elsewhere,
if that's my method.

959
00:46:21,195 --> 00:46:24,907
And I saw the Trump
one coming up as well. And I went

960
00:46:24,907 --> 00:46:28,327
should I process and it
this is one of the first times

961
00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:30,411
where I in terms
of a content thing

962
00:46:30,411 --> 00:46:32,914
that I've created
every other time

963
00:46:32,914 --> 00:46:35,918
we've done an episode,
I've never had to think,

964
00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:39,797
you know, like, strategically,
should I post this or not? Yep.

965
00:46:39,797 --> 00:46:42,673
And this one, I went,
I don't know if I want to do it.

966
00:46:42,673 --> 00:46:44,927
I said, Fuck it.
And did it anyway.

967
00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:48,889
I'm changing my tune on that.
That that is not going

968
00:46:46,052 --> 00:46:52,601
to happen anymore because
I don't know. What do

969
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:55,269
you make of all of this?
Well, it is I don't know

970
00:46:53,976 --> 00:46:57,313
whether this falls
in the politics realm or not,

971
00:46:57,313 --> 00:47:00,818
but it's an interesting
point of conversation because I

972
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:03,778
someone mentioned this
to me in in lieu of me sort of

973
00:47:03,778 --> 00:47:06,197
I was creating
through the company and changing

974
00:47:04,987 --> 00:47:08,199
some of the structures that we do
with the podcast.

975
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,536
When someone said to me
close is that,

976
00:47:10,536 --> 00:47:12,954
you know, those clips
that I sort of kicked off

977
00:47:12,954 --> 00:47:16,333
their political maybe nature,
their inciting conversation

978
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,751
or communication,
or would you call it

979
00:47:17,166 --> 00:47:21,213
a conversation,
maybe not just dribble sometimes?

980
00:47:21,213 --> 00:47:26,467
And I went, But what if now is
this is very low

981
00:47:24,423 --> 00:47:29,304
probability of chance
you given that Elon

982
00:47:26,467 --> 00:47:31,431
Musk and Trump that shit
what we're talking about.

983
00:47:29,304 --> 00:47:34,434
I really hope that.
But if we had a

984
00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:38,856
conversation with someone
and they applied the level

985
00:47:34,768 --> 00:47:40,065
of whether it's politics
because they're playing a status

986
00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:42,400
or a power game
or whatever, have you,

987
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:49,324
and then we get sued.
We get sued for libel

988
00:47:45,862 --> 00:47:51,742
or for, you know, whatever
it may be. And I when Pete said.

989
00:47:51,742 --> 00:47:55,706
Well, yes. But it comes
from our platform. So then I go.

990
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,708
Ooh, that. Actually
that's a very fair point.

991
00:47:58,708 --> 00:48:01,795
Now I go, Look, obviously
don't think that your musk

992
00:48:01,795 --> 00:48:03,838
is going
to come and sue us for it.

993
00:48:03,838 --> 00:48:05,965
Yeah, he's probably
got a bigger fish to fry.

994
00:48:05,965 --> 00:48:07,384
I'm going to say that.
He definitely did.

995
00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:09,344
However, you know, it's
not out of the question

996
00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:12,764
that that could come up again.
And so it did make think,

997
00:48:12,764 --> 00:48:17,603
yeah, it's worth holding
Al tongue on a short clip

998
00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:19,478
if it's not going to
if it's going to be misunderstood

999
00:48:19,478 --> 00:48:21,773
or if it's going to incite
such a level of conversation

1000
00:48:21,773 --> 00:48:25,110
that is going to be
not really valuable

1001
00:48:23,108 --> 00:48:26,695
to the broader.
Yes. Yeah, I think that's

1002
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:32,034
a good point.
It created animosity,

1003
00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:35,871
it created conflict,
and I feel unnecessarily,

1004
00:48:32,867 --> 00:48:37,956
you know, what?
What was the end outcome?

1005
00:48:37,956 --> 00:48:40,125
We maybe got
we got some subscribers.

1006
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,710
And to be honest,
that probably people

1007
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:46,213
who don't think well
and when I say subscribe

1008
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:49,760
to followers on Instagram
and that probably no offence to

1009
00:48:48,132 --> 00:48:52,137
everyone who just joined
but if you've joined

1010
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,847
because and followed
because you want more of that.

1011
00:48:53,847 --> 00:48:55,724
You're not getting it.
You're not going to get

1012
00:48:54,514 --> 00:48:57,601
you're not going to get
I want to deal with that anymore

1013
00:48:57,601 --> 00:49:02,773
and look and result you know
his me complaining about

1014
00:49:00,603 --> 00:49:04,775
what's going to happen.
I made a very active decision

1015
00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:07,902
today of yesterday
when I was creating

1016
00:49:07,902 --> 00:49:13,909
clips and Pete was
talking about Logan, Paul ended

1017
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:16,036
up creating one of this.
And it wasn't

1018
00:49:13,909 --> 00:49:18,163
it wasn't a spicy one.
I thought it was a rather

1019
00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:19,206
mundane, okay,
that was spicy ones.

1020
00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:23,085
I could have created an A
no, probably

1021
00:49:20,623 --> 00:49:25,753
would have worked well
because Coffee Zilla did

1022
00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:27,005
another video recently.
I checked out

1023
00:49:25,753 --> 00:49:30,425
some of his comments.
Everyone is in a like

1024
00:49:27,005 --> 00:49:33,177
an anti Logan Paul mood.
Yep it is a trend

1025
00:49:30,467 --> 00:49:35,681
at this very moment
and I don't know I don't

1026
00:49:33,177 --> 00:49:38,599
want to deal with this.
I don't want to

1027
00:49:35,681 --> 00:49:41,228
put this off and have just
people hating either the haters

1028
00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:42,186
or the lovers of it.
Whatever it was.

1029
00:49:42,186 --> 00:49:45,815
I, I don't want to be
associated with that.

1030
00:49:45,815 --> 00:49:49,193
So that Yeah.
Yeah. Of that politics.

1031
00:49:49,193 --> 00:49:51,278
I'm not going
to be doing those anymore.

1032
00:49:51,278 --> 00:49:53,824
And if it happens
accidentally again,

1033
00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:56,784
this is where I've never
actually deleted anything

1034
00:49:56,784 --> 00:50:00,579
of ours in the past.
You once put up.

1035
00:50:00,579 --> 00:50:03,041
I remember that probably.
The black screen,

1036
00:50:01,623 --> 00:50:03,916
the black carrying.
For Black Lives Matter.

1037
00:50:03,916 --> 00:50:06,711
And I was like, Fuck,
does that get rid of this?

1038
00:50:06,711 --> 00:50:08,380
What the fuck is this?
But I left it on.

1039
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:11,382
It's still there
on the Instagram and yeah,

1040
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,300
I'm going to do the same
with these ones.

1041
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:16,847
I'm not going to delete them.
Yeah, I wouldn't delete

1042
00:50:14,094 --> 00:50:20,599
them, but it does shift
what we continue

1043
00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:23,644
to post for sure.
And I think that that

1044
00:50:20,641 --> 00:50:25,438
comes down to the Well. Does it
relevant in the politics?

1045
00:50:25,438 --> 00:50:29,275
I mean, it's the when we produce
our content,

1046
00:50:29,275 --> 00:50:32,278
whether it's longform
like this one, whether it's short

1047
00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:34,864
form in reels or in whatever
clips, etc.,

1048
00:50:34,864 --> 00:50:38,869
we're not necessarily
at the front of our mind.

1049
00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:41,121
It's not that we're trying
to play a status of power game.

1050
00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:44,123
And so in the creation
of all the things we do,

1051
00:50:44,458 --> 00:50:47,168
the end outcome is
and I'll well, if we do

1052
00:50:47,168 --> 00:50:48,920
this, we're going to jump
the ladder.

1053
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,047
More people are going,
we're going to get more

1054
00:50:50,047 --> 00:50:52,423
eyeballs on our podcast,
and that means we're going to be

1055
00:50:53,632 --> 00:50:56,552
at a high status
and we can draw more.

1056
00:50:56,552 --> 00:50:58,722
I don't think that
necessarily that's the

1057
00:50:58,722 --> 00:51:01,182
that's the end. The outcome,
the outcome that we want

1058
00:51:01,182 --> 00:51:05,144
is that gather enough supporters
who can support us through

1059
00:51:03,851 --> 00:51:09,733
the means that we're setting up
and that satisfies us. It's not,

1060
00:51:09,733 --> 00:51:12,277
you know, all of a sudden
become all dominant

1061
00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:13,652
and then we have
the ability to do whatever.

1062
00:51:13,652 --> 00:51:15,280
That's that's a different
thing altogether.

1063
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,784
The clip that I didn't
create was of Pete shitting

1064
00:51:17,907 --> 00:51:21,994
on these rich influences and how
they get into a group.

1065
00:51:21,994 --> 00:51:24,706
And when they're in this,
you know, group

1066
00:51:24,706 --> 00:51:29,376
of only rich influences,
all they're trying to do

1067
00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:30,795
is get a new drink,
get the new, you know,

1068
00:51:30,795 --> 00:51:35,342
get this fight with this person,
get this many followers and beat

1069
00:51:34,048 --> 00:51:37,719
this other person.
And and that was one

1070
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:38,844
where I went,
well, obviously, we're not

1071
00:51:38,844 --> 00:51:41,722
we're not trying to do that.
And you'll see that

1072
00:51:39,554 --> 00:51:45,268
because every time we take
a step towards that,

1073
00:51:41,722 --> 00:51:49,106
we pull on the brakes now
and check out I'm going to

1074
00:51:45,643 --> 00:51:50,190
call it episode 400. We're
going to be talking more

1075
00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:53,193
about the kind of content,
I think, at the minute.

1076
00:51:53,275 --> 00:51:58,657
So check check that out
and you'll you'll get some more

1077
00:51:55,737 --> 00:52:00,909
in depth into that.
How this all relates

1078
00:51:58,657 --> 00:52:03,161
to politics, though, was
there was just one thing

1079
00:52:03,161 --> 00:52:05,704
the clip just mentioned
Trump or mention

1080
00:52:05,704 --> 00:52:08,708
Elon Musk, and then people
went fucking berserk.

1081
00:52:09,751 --> 00:52:15,215
And I don't get it. What is it
about politics? I mean, check out

1082
00:52:13,003 --> 00:52:16,507
parliamentary debates, especially
the English ones.

1083
00:52:16,507 --> 00:52:22,097
But think basically any of them
and it's people shouting

1084
00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:25,391
at each other like what?
What is the,

1085
00:52:22,389 --> 00:52:28,603
the acting theatrically
And then then the kind of

1086
00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:31,606
behind the scenes
is the conniving, the back

1087
00:52:28,603 --> 00:52:35,693
ended the sleaziness.
Is it, is it like what is it,

1088
00:52:34,067 --> 00:52:36,902
what is the cause of this?
I guess what's the root cause,

1089
00:52:36,902 --> 00:52:39,697
do you think, of
this type of behaviour which

1090
00:52:39,697 --> 00:52:44,661
seems to be associated
with, with politics? Yeah.

1091
00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:47,496
I don't know if it's
the same across these two

1092
00:52:47,496 --> 00:52:51,333
examples of a Trump
or Elon Musk versus

1093
00:52:52,001 --> 00:52:54,253
Yeah, like the,
the political part

1094
00:52:52,835 --> 00:52:56,380
like you know what
you see and cabinets

1095
00:52:54,253 --> 00:52:58,632
and, and go on
but like the unmasking

1096
00:52:56,380 --> 00:53:00,092
the Trump one
I can definitely see that

1097
00:52:58,632 --> 00:53:02,094
because it's.
So so you're talking

1098
00:53:00,092 --> 00:53:06,266
about the people leaving
comments compared to the

1099
00:53:02,094 --> 00:53:07,016
actual parliamentarians
is that what you mean.

1100
00:53:08,476 --> 00:53:12,563
So yes, Yes, for sure.
So it's like to

1101
00:53:10,353 --> 00:53:13,981
so in that example,
the comment is going back

1102
00:53:13,981 --> 00:53:18,068
and forth on the Trump
or Elon Musk, It's it's

1103
00:53:18,903 --> 00:53:20,739
absolutely driven
by emotion in the sense

1104
00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:24,201
that you look at it rationally as
and replace

1105
00:53:21,907 --> 00:53:25,242
the word Elon Musk with
maybe another individual

1106
00:53:25,242 --> 00:53:29,748
who maybe people think that
the smart but not smart,

1107
00:53:27,244 --> 00:53:33,793
but kind of not. Well, you know.
Steve Jobs, maybe

1108
00:53:30,789 --> 00:53:35,045
he's done so people maybe.
Maybe you'll still get

1109
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,630
a lot of people. But let's pick
someone like Larry Ellison

1110
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:39,757
or someone else
who you kind of guy.

1111
00:53:39,757 --> 00:53:42,219
I don't know. Like he's
not as much in the news.

1112
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:44,554
It's not as talked about.
It's not as well known.

1113
00:53:44,554 --> 00:53:47,474
David, myself,
you know, it's kind of

1114
00:53:45,804 --> 00:53:48,391
one of those things you won't
get as many people

1115
00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:50,434
because not many people
attach themselves

1116
00:53:50,434 --> 00:53:52,603
emotionally to what that
individual means to them.

1117
00:53:52,603 --> 00:53:55,440
So lots of people,
whether you like it

1118
00:53:53,938 --> 00:53:59,318
or not, right. You probably hold
a more extreme view of Elon Musk

1119
00:53:59,318 --> 00:54:03,405
than a more neutral view
of another comparison of

1120
00:54:00,445 --> 00:54:06,117
a person you just do. Why?
Because the information

1121
00:54:03,405 --> 00:54:07,077
that's found out there
with the news sources

1122
00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:10,829
or you hear from people,
you see stuff is more towards

1123
00:54:09,371 --> 00:54:11,748
the extreme.
He's got a lot of money.

1124
00:54:11,748 --> 00:54:15,043
He does all this he can
in the real extremes. Fine.

1125
00:54:15,043 --> 00:54:18,463
That's what that's what you see,
because what's

1126
00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:19,922
in the news, in the media,
you probably don't

1127
00:54:18,463 --> 00:54:21,340
see that unusual stuff.
But of course, it doesn't

1128
00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:25,844
go and influence your behaviour.
So those buy it in a more

1129
00:54:22,675 --> 00:54:27,681
or less rational,
more emotional view

1130
00:54:25,844 --> 00:54:31,726
from a human being. So I get it.
So when a comment is made

1131
00:54:28,347 --> 00:54:34,561
that's against a for it,
you're going to react more

1132
00:54:32,018 --> 00:54:37,315
towards the life cycle.
I can see why those

1133
00:54:34,561 --> 00:54:39,067
comments came made it,
but when you and

1134
00:54:39,067 --> 00:54:41,277
I can see why I could
get into that involvement.

1135
00:54:41,277 --> 00:54:43,822
But then the example of,
you know, in a cabinet

1136
00:54:43,822 --> 00:54:45,282
and people are going
wild at each other

1137
00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:48,534
about a particular topic
and screaming around a guy

1138
00:54:49,536 --> 00:54:55,875
is there might be pot at play of
to you might not feel like

1139
00:54:53,414 --> 00:54:58,128
it's emotional that
what they're talking about

1140
00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:01,630
to them it might be now
that might be a small salvo.

1141
00:55:01,630 --> 00:55:04,300
There's definitely I'm
sure politicians out there

1142
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:09,097
who are well-meaning around, hey,
we need to get this piece

1143
00:55:06,552 --> 00:55:10,139
of legislation through.
Who's going to help out

1144
00:55:10,139 --> 00:55:13,809
Sally and Trevor
and whoever about this

1145
00:55:11,682 --> 00:55:15,353
particular event?
And they'll scream

1146
00:55:13,809 --> 00:55:17,105
and they'll be very loud
about such and such thing.

1147
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:19,523
And so that that emotion
can come from it outside.

1148
00:55:19,523 --> 00:55:24,445
It's a very slice of
the bigger emotional piece

1149
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:27,157
and why I think it becomes this
political nature of that

1150
00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:29,534
that much more than maybe
what we saw in the comments

1151
00:55:29,534 --> 00:55:32,411
is that it's kind
of a combination of

1152
00:55:32,411 --> 00:55:35,456
largely still beyond this
not rational,

1153
00:55:35,748 --> 00:55:38,168
not realistic, rational,
because if it was,

1154
00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:41,253
you'd come to an agreement
quite not, maybe not easily,

1155
00:55:40,085 --> 00:55:42,172
but you come to
an agreement and move on.

1156
00:55:42,172 --> 00:55:45,550
But that doesn't often happen.
It's more along the lines

1157
00:55:43,505 --> 00:55:49,137
of, okay, I'm I'm fighting
for my political party

1158
00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:52,431
to achieve what we have
as a tribe determined.

1159
00:55:52,431 --> 00:55:56,561
That's the right thing.
I need to fight that

1160
00:55:53,807 --> 00:55:58,396
with all I've got because
this is my opposing party.

1161
00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:01,358
So generally
what you see there is less

1162
00:56:02,733 --> 00:56:06,070
that you're going after
the the outcome at hand.

1163
00:56:06,070 --> 00:56:10,282
It's that it's the outcome
and hand of the political party

1164
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:11,576
behind the scenes or as a group
has decided that

1165
00:56:11,576 --> 00:56:14,204
that's what we need to do
because of whatever

1166
00:56:12,409 --> 00:56:15,579
other influence. And that's
where you get

1167
00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:16,789
into the whole politics
because now you're

1168
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:19,000
emotionally driven by
what the tribe is saying.

1169
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,547
You're definitely playing
power levels, power struggles,

1170
00:56:22,086 --> 00:56:26,715
you're playing with status
and not maybe some part of it,

1171
00:56:26,715 --> 00:56:29,844
but not only exclusively
for the outcome

1172
00:56:28,842 --> 00:56:32,347
that you're actually
trying to achieve. And this

1173
00:56:30,594 --> 00:56:33,556
you could see with
I mean, I'm sure it's

1174
00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:36,934
somebody clips in different ways,
but I've seen one recently about

1175
00:56:36,934 --> 00:56:38,936
interest rates and housing
and I think it was more

1176
00:56:38,936 --> 00:56:40,730
in Britain. You know,
someone was asking

1177
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:42,981
the other person,
can the speaker tell.

1178
00:56:42,981 --> 00:56:45,735
Me about what. Interest
rates are going up on?

1179
00:56:45,735 --> 00:56:47,070
The other person
responds back with,

1180
00:56:47,070 --> 00:56:50,572
we've made 110,000 jobs
as the speaker since he.

1181
00:56:51,032 --> 00:56:53,159
Krone is. Behind them.
Exactly. Yeah. And so when you

1182
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:54,786
when you look at that,
you go back in politics,

1183
00:56:54,786 --> 00:56:58,664
what the fuck are they doing?
Well, what they're doing

1184
00:56:56,286 --> 00:57:00,375
is not focusing on the outcome.
That's, you know, the questions

1185
00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:01,751
that are
being asked of each other

1186
00:57:01,751 --> 00:57:03,293
and what you and me
and everyone sees it

1187
00:57:03,293 --> 00:57:07,673
objectively from outside
in is like no actions

1188
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:10,175
coming from this bank.
But the politics is that

1189
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:13,554
they are trying to they are
trying to get the answer

1190
00:57:13,554 --> 00:57:16,766
that the tribe within them
wants them to achieve.

1191
00:57:17,016 --> 00:57:19,309
And they themselves
want to achieve a certain level

1192
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:21,521
of status and power
within their tribe.

1193
00:57:21,521 --> 00:57:23,231
And so to do that,
they have to do this.

1194
00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:27,318
It's almost the yeah,
maybe like a gladiator

1195
00:57:25,858 --> 00:57:28,987
equivalent, but just a shitty
one that I was talking.

1196
00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,780
Yeah, of people talking about.
It's kind of like the theatrics.

1197
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:34,909
It's yeah, I was kind of.
I think that's good

1198
00:57:34,909 --> 00:57:37,161
because I had written down
here, like, I scratch my head,

1199
00:57:37,161 --> 00:57:39,079
but I think you put a
pretty good thing on that.

1200
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,875
You know, because I was thinking,
is it the people? Is it

1201
00:57:40,414 --> 00:57:43,333
the medium? Is it
the topics themselves?

1202
00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:46,838
Is it just there's
something about Elon Musk

1203
00:57:47,463 --> 00:57:49,965
and and things and
I wasn't really getting

1204
00:57:49,965 --> 00:57:54,554
why people tolerate it
but I think yeah I mean

1205
00:57:51,592 --> 00:57:57,514
obviously it's well.
He's he's an example

1206
00:57:54,554 --> 00:58:01,561
so I got this from from
so when companies when you debate

1207
00:57:59,184 --> 00:58:03,646
you have a conversation
one of the things

1208
00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:05,648
you want to get to with
if you got two

1209
00:58:03,646 --> 00:58:07,358
or more opposing views
but yet two party views,

1210
00:58:07,358 --> 00:58:11,320
you want to triangulate to truth,
you want to triangulate

1211
00:58:09,818 --> 00:58:12,989
to the outcome, you want to get
to the outcome because that's

1212
00:58:12,197 --> 00:58:13,530
what matters.
That's where you're going.

1213
00:58:13,530 --> 00:58:16,326
For if I have a Tesla
that's telling me that,

1214
00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:18,119
hey, this is broken
because of whatever

1215
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:20,704
and a developer that's saying,
no, it's not because of this,

1216
00:58:20,704 --> 00:58:23,333
hey, ultimately
for this product to work,

1217
00:58:23,333 --> 00:58:24,583
you can't want to get
by anything. Okay, cool.

1218
00:58:24,583 --> 00:58:28,213
Let's let's triangulate
to the trees. Let's work

1219
00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:29,797
together to figure out is
maybe some truth pattern here.

1220
00:58:29,797 --> 00:58:31,590
You can see the back
end on this. Okay, cool.

1221
00:58:31,590 --> 00:58:35,802
It's actually this fix it
because the outcome is that way.

1222
00:58:35,802 --> 00:58:38,014
The drama,
the theatre that happens, I guess

1223
00:58:38,014 --> 00:58:41,476
in the politics that we see,
especially in those

1224
00:58:39,014 --> 00:58:42,893
circumstances, it's
no one's trying to

1225
00:58:41,476 --> 00:58:43,478
triangulate situation
that's sort of thing.

1226
00:58:43,478 --> 00:58:45,605
You don't even try to do that.
No one in that whole scenario

1227
00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:47,565
of trying to do that,
not even the speaker

1228
00:58:47,565 --> 00:58:50,568
this there's questions
are being asked as drama

1229
00:58:50,652 --> 00:58:54,489
because they have a point of view
that you don't want triangulate.

1230
00:58:54,489 --> 00:58:57,282
You have to your point of
view has to succeed.

1231
00:58:57,282 --> 00:59:01,871
And it has to succeed over
the other party, the other entity

1232
00:59:00,161 --> 00:59:02,704
that speaking, that's it.
That's the whole thing.

1233
00:59:02,704 --> 00:59:06,416
And the end outcome
might just be that

1234
00:59:07,001 --> 00:59:09,503
no solution happens.
It's just you all

1235
00:59:07,918 --> 00:59:11,172
your point got heard
and you went,

1236
00:59:09,503 --> 00:59:14,259
you didn't back down.
And that's the success

1237
00:59:11,172 --> 00:59:15,467
in that particular aspect.
And I guess that's where the

1238
00:59:15,467 --> 00:59:17,971
politics can get a bad name
because it doesn't have to

1239
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,972
necessarily be always bad,
but that's

1240
00:59:19,054 --> 00:59:21,014
where it gets a bad name
because you don't

1241
00:59:21,014 --> 00:59:23,309
then achieve an outcome
that is or solution

1242
00:59:23,309 --> 00:59:26,771
that actually benefits anyone.
You've just reached a point of

1243
00:59:26,771 --> 00:59:30,525
debating and shouting
about what you think is correct

1244
00:59:28,523 --> 00:59:33,485
without any outcome,
you triangulate to a truth

1245
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:34,903
or anything. Yeah.
When I was creating

1246
00:59:33,485 --> 00:59:38,699
the thumbnail for this,
I found one of the perfect ones,

1247
00:59:35,822 --> 00:59:40,451
which was it's a six
drone on the ground,

1248
00:59:38,699 --> 00:59:44,038
and then one guy's pointing at it
and it's got a little speech

1249
00:59:42,411 --> 00:59:45,164
bubble. It's a six. And so if you
check out with some

1250
00:59:45,164 --> 00:59:46,873
thumbnails, it is,
but then it is a

1251
00:59:46,873 --> 00:59:50,711
person on the other side.
Which has nine. View.

1252
00:59:48,376 --> 00:59:51,753
It says nine. And I thought
that was a good thing.

1253
00:59:51,753 --> 00:59:56,134
So it was, yeah,
this is the kind of maybe this is

1254
00:59:54,423 --> 00:59:57,552
the point of politics.
It is the trying to getting,

1255
00:59:57,552 --> 01:00:01,847
as you said, triangulating
towards the truth. And I'm

1256
01:00:00,221 --> 01:00:03,849
really appreciative
that stuff needs

1257
01:00:01,847 --> 01:00:06,936
to get done in the world
so that there is a

1258
01:00:03,849 --> 01:00:12,733
need for government think
or is that and this is where I go

1259
01:00:12,733 --> 01:00:15,570
okay I guess I kind of
get it, but then I,

1260
01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:20,782
I just look at things
in general politics, however

1261
01:00:18,697 --> 01:00:23,786
you want to use that word,
whatever the quantum

1262
01:00:20,782 --> 01:00:26,164
that you think,
you can probably get away

1263
01:00:24,161 --> 01:00:29,166
with less of it.
You can probably do away

1264
01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:33,003
with a whole bunch of it.
And sure, a whole bunch

1265
01:00:29,416 --> 01:00:35,715
of stuff won't get done.
We've been talking about

1266
01:00:33,503 --> 01:00:37,842
you all must be fired.
A fuck ton of people

1267
01:00:37,842 --> 01:00:39,552
and people are still
bitching about Twitter

1268
01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:42,639
and maybe the things you know,
they didn't their little features

1269
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,768
didn't work as much as well,
but the platform is still there

1270
01:00:46,768 --> 01:00:51,938
and it's still working.
So what did all those

1271
01:00:48,894 --> 01:00:54,817
people do? Yep. And this is where
I just go. Okay. Yeah.

1272
01:00:54,817 --> 01:00:59,530
Like, okay, the root cause of it.
I think a lot of it

1273
01:00:57,527 --> 01:01:02,449
is the drama, the power,
the money, the fame,

1274
01:00:59,530 --> 01:01:03,534
the prestige, the legacy,
and then maybe,

1275
01:01:03,534 --> 01:01:06,579
maybe a little bit
of altruism and general

1276
01:01:06,579 --> 01:01:09,581
actually wanting to make
can help things go go better.

1277
01:01:10,583 --> 01:01:13,960
Like you was saying with
the company type deal.

1278
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,588
I think a lot of people
who get to those top positions,

1279
01:01:16,588 --> 01:01:21,219
that is what they're chasing.
It's not finding

1280
01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:22,844
the source of truth
or making the world

1281
01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:26,431
a better place.
But then there are some people

1282
01:01:23,429 --> 01:01:29,018
who probably did do that,
the kind of Steve

1283
01:01:26,474 --> 01:01:31,478
Jobs of the world from from what
I gather, the blade also.

1284
01:01:31,478 --> 01:01:35,775
But he has
he was so determined and,

1285
01:01:32,813 --> 01:01:40,237
so driven with how he wanted
to shape the world. And I think

1286
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:41,572
with the smartphone, I would say
it's made the world

1287
01:01:41,572 --> 01:01:46,619
a better place overall.
That's a guy ago. Okay. You know,

1288
01:01:46,619 --> 01:01:48,913
he created one of
the biggest companies ever

1289
01:01:48,913 --> 01:01:51,416
was in charge of it.
I'm sure there was a bit

1290
01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:54,460
of politicking that
he had to do at the top

1291
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,922
to make sure he stayed in there
and that the number

1292
01:01:56,713 --> 01:02:01,175
two guy or the number
five tech guy didn't

1293
01:01:58,922 --> 01:02:03,760
just like, you know, backstab him
and and kick him out and

1294
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,474
but so much of his
politicking actually

1295
01:02:06,806 --> 01:02:11,936
wasn't politicking.
It was just his single

1296
01:02:08,474 --> 01:02:13,938
minded focus to do. Yeah,
if I can do this thing.

1297
01:02:13,938 --> 01:02:17,442
And so that one I go, okay,
that, that's

1298
01:02:15,606 --> 01:02:21,528
cool that I'm good on him.
And then the

1299
01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:22,447
other thing is, you know,
do we actually need

1300
01:02:22,447 --> 01:02:26,199
large groups of people
to do things anymore? Is it

1301
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:29,202
is part of the problem
with politics is that

1302
01:02:29,202 --> 01:02:34,541
we are still in this
geographic type domain

1303
01:02:31,956 --> 01:02:36,668
where we do
have to deal with people.

1304
01:02:36,668 --> 01:02:41,007
I look at my old work
and I was kind of friends

1305
01:02:38,003 --> 01:02:44,177
with some of the people,
but when I look at it

1306
01:02:41,173 --> 01:02:45,260
more deeply, I go, you know,
I didn't have a lot in

1307
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:48,972
common with them other than work.
And so they were work friends.

1308
01:02:48,972 --> 01:02:51,224
You know, that's a section
that's a bucket drop.

1309
01:02:51,224 --> 01:02:54,811
And I overall, I'm
kind of glad that I don't

1310
01:02:54,896 --> 01:02:56,481
associate
that much time with them.

1311
01:02:56,481 --> 01:03:00,358
You know, I was spending,
what, 12 hours a day.

1312
01:03:00,943 --> 01:03:05,530
I was doing 88 hour fortnight.
So 44 hours of my week was

1313
01:03:02,445 --> 01:03:08,617
spent with these people.
And there weren't

1314
01:03:06,407 --> 01:03:10,619
particularly people that
I loved or

1315
01:03:08,617 --> 01:03:14,123
wanted to spend more time.
And so I go,

1316
01:03:11,746 --> 01:03:15,583
okay, maybe something is
there would just be less

1317
01:03:14,123 --> 01:03:16,541
politicking
if we had something like

1318
01:03:16,541 --> 01:03:19,545
biology's the network
study where it is

1319
01:03:19,711 --> 01:03:21,547
you're interacting
with online people

1320
01:03:21,547 --> 01:03:25,092
and you find your kind of
community online via friends.

1321
01:03:25,092 --> 01:03:28,762
Is one a handstand
in a handstand Instagram

1322
01:03:28,762 --> 01:03:36,228
that sort of deal and his kind of
grand vision is that in 20

1323
01:03:33,809 --> 01:03:37,730
or 30 years time,
these will form groups and you'll

1324
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:40,983
actually buy some property
and and have a physical

1325
01:03:40,983 --> 01:03:43,777
space together and then not
some of those will even turn

1326
01:03:43,777 --> 01:03:46,364
into being recognised
as perhaps other countries

1327
01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:52,077
or being diplomatically
recognised that kind of go, oh,

1328
01:03:49,074 --> 01:03:54,579
okay, yeah, this is maybe
where politicking

1329
01:03:52,077 --> 01:03:55,206
actually is, It's
just because you've kind

1330
01:03:55,206 --> 01:03:57,166
of forced to deal with people
that you don't want to deal with.

1331
01:03:58,918 --> 01:04:02,338
And so maybe we don't,
maybe we don't need

1332
01:04:00,293 --> 01:04:05,298
as much of it. Maybe that's,
that's just like

1333
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:07,300
a physical constraint
and that will get changed

1334
01:04:05,298 --> 01:04:08,302
in 20 years time. I like
where you coming from.

1335
01:04:08,302 --> 01:04:13,266
I like the positivity.
But yeah, I would disagree

1336
01:04:10,262 --> 01:04:15,268
in the sense that I don't
I don't think so at all.

1337
01:04:15,268 --> 01:04:20,106
And I would disagree, like I say,
with the network state or

1338
01:04:17,103 --> 01:04:22,440
something similar to it. You're
going to have politics

1339
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,277
no matter what I think
is the end outcome anyway.

1340
01:04:25,277 --> 01:04:27,320
And I'll say this
in this regard. To see.

1341
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,115
If if you join
a whole bunch of people

1342
01:04:30,115 --> 01:04:32,159
who really enjoy this
very similar thing,

1343
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:35,621
it's like, you know,
we have 100,000

1344
01:04:33,286 --> 01:04:37,289
people who are like,
you know, really

1345
01:04:35,621 --> 01:04:38,833
enjoy the handstand.
Quite similar in a lot of ways.

1346
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,668
And you have
a good network in it. Absolutely.

1347
01:04:41,668 --> 01:04:45,005
You're probably
going to be more aligned

1348
01:04:43,211 --> 01:04:47,675
in a lot of things. So it reduces
some unnecessary politics,

1349
01:04:48,675 --> 01:04:52,722
but you're probably going.
To happen. Exactly because. Fame.

1350
01:04:52,722 --> 01:04:56,474
And even if you don't want it,
it kind of has

1351
01:04:54,764 --> 01:04:58,811
to structure in that way anyways.
And what I mean by that,

1352
01:04:58,811 --> 01:05:01,480
the structures
that humans, me immortals

1353
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:06,735
we play in for a very long time
has some sort of hierarchy to it.

1354
01:05:06,735 --> 01:05:10,614
If you have a thousand people,
you're going to have some

1355
01:05:08,237 --> 01:05:11,532
sort of pseudo leader.
Yeah, I don't care if you say

1356
01:05:11,532 --> 01:05:13,367
there is no leader, someone's
going to have to be

1357
01:05:13,367 --> 01:05:16,996
managing something, right?
Someone has to manage that

1358
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:19,123
where the conversations
are taking place

1359
01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:20,541
to get people together.
So I mean,

1360
01:05:20,541 --> 01:05:22,668
that could be rotational,
that could be whatever.

1361
01:05:22,668 --> 01:05:25,086
But again, someone's got to come
to these decisions

1362
01:05:25,086 --> 01:05:28,257
that you could say, Oh,
well, everyone vote on it.

1363
01:05:28,257 --> 01:05:30,635
And so then we just
come out of the voting

1364
01:05:28,965 --> 01:05:31,677
decision and,
you know, it's crossed

1365
01:05:31,677 --> 01:05:33,219
like a decentralised way
to doing it.

1366
01:05:33,219 --> 01:05:35,639
I guess you're getting
towards a better way.

1367
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:37,516
But again, to establish
that you someone

1368
01:05:37,516 --> 01:05:39,768
to actually approve it
and say to do that,

1369
01:05:39,768 --> 01:05:43,146
you're going to have
some levels of politics

1370
01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:44,731
no matter what. Sure.
Less of them,

1371
01:05:44,731 --> 01:05:47,150
maybe less of the bad
stuff, less of the

1372
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:49,570
like less useful.
But humans, humans,

1373
01:05:49,570 --> 01:05:54,909
you're going to have people who,
from a status perspective,

1374
01:05:50,655 --> 01:05:57,786
a power perspective, you know,
if you get a thousand

1375
01:05:55,784 --> 01:05:59,454
people who all influenced
and like the similar thing,

1376
01:05:59,454 --> 01:06:02,166
that doesn't mean all of them
are going to have the same level

1377
01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:03,250
of understanding
around powers that is.

1378
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:05,710
And if you then go, okay,
well now it's going to be

1379
01:06:04,126 --> 01:06:07,713
a thousand people that don't care
about that, I'll go,

1380
01:06:07,713 --> 01:06:09,465
okay, But that's
probably utopian.

1381
01:06:09,465 --> 01:06:12,717
That's not actually real.
You're not going to get

1382
01:06:10,632 --> 01:06:13,885
that. That doesn't exist.
This is the same thing

1383
01:06:12,717 --> 01:06:16,889
as, you know,
when you talk about people

1384
01:06:13,885 --> 01:06:20,016
like you say, hey,
you know, I know myself,

1385
01:06:17,514 --> 01:06:21,184
if I was in power policy
or whatever, I wouldn't do that.

1386
01:06:21,184 --> 01:06:24,646
I would never behave.
People who say that is

1387
01:06:23,019 --> 01:06:25,815
the motherfucking people
who are going to behave like that

1388
01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:27,233
because you don't know
how you're going

1389
01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:28,900
to get influence,
but you are the power.

1390
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:32,780
That's what happens.
So, you know, if you yeah,

1391
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,115
watch out for that.
If people say no

1392
01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:36,367
I could see I argument
okay, at least our way.

1393
01:06:36,367 --> 01:06:40,371
If you think that you're
not going to be,

1394
01:06:37,201 --> 01:06:42,248
you will be and so in
yeah I'll give you a example

1395
01:06:42,248 --> 01:06:46,001
from the podcast we have what
a few thousand followers

1396
01:06:44,708 --> 01:06:48,295
Let's just say across the board
that it wasn't us.

1397
01:06:48,295 --> 01:06:52,882
If we had a billion
and you're influential,

1398
01:06:52,882 --> 01:06:54,635
you better believe some of that
is going to go in our heads

1399
01:06:54,635 --> 01:06:58,431
in the sense of
we have levels of, you know,

1400
01:06:58,431 --> 01:07:02,518
nous of being able
to ship things, ship that changes

1401
01:07:00,974 --> 01:07:04,394
the way that you could do
some things

1402
01:07:02,518 --> 01:07:06,731
even if you don't want to.
I go, there's always

1403
01:07:04,394 --> 01:07:09,733
got to be politics.
Some aspects of it, yes,

1404
01:07:06,731 --> 01:07:13,112
I think you could remove
in the bad ways,

1405
01:07:09,775 --> 01:07:14,822
but ultimately there's
going to be some power

1406
01:07:13,112 --> 01:07:17,407
that supply the only way
you could truly remove it,

1407
01:07:17,407 --> 01:07:18,784
get rid of humans
out of the question.

1408
01:07:18,784 --> 01:07:22,038
Right? You're talking.
I'm talking, hey, AI, algorithms.

1409
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,123
Pure data,
because then you go, hey,

1410
01:07:25,708 --> 01:07:28,168
what should happen here?
What do you mean, really?

1411
01:07:28,168 --> 01:07:29,711
That we've determined
this is the best thing

1412
01:07:29,711 --> 01:07:34,925
because of human flourishing.
Yeah. Fuck. Yep. Can you get out

1413
01:07:32,965 --> 01:07:38,137
of the house. You own.
Or homeless people come in

1414
01:07:35,717 --> 01:07:40,472
better for everyone. Overall.
It actually was a bad thing

1415
01:07:40,472 --> 01:07:43,391
to congratulate
the guy on picking out

1416
01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:44,934
rubbish like that. All the
time and. The time that

1417
01:07:46,144 --> 01:07:47,646
the algorithm
would get it wrong though,

1418
01:07:47,646 --> 01:07:49,856
and think kind of
what's a homeless person?

1419
01:07:49,856 --> 01:07:52,025
It's like, keep him in
this, I'd be fine.

1420
01:07:52,025 --> 01:07:55,028
But, you know, ultimately
I think it's it's yeah,

1421
01:07:55,112 --> 01:07:59,699
the utopia would be, okay, cool.
We just run by algorithms

1422
01:07:56,697 --> 01:08:00,826
and it's pure data, but
there's humanity in there.

1423
01:08:00,826 --> 01:08:03,119
And so there's always going to be
some level of politics.

1424
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,831
Let's just please reduce
the amount of politics

1425
01:08:05,831 --> 01:08:11,378
that's due to. Yeah,
politicking for a party,

1426
01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:12,505
politicking for
not getting an outcome

1427
01:08:12,505 --> 01:08:14,297
that's kind of like, okay,
well this is useless.

1428
01:08:14,297 --> 01:08:17,342
Like that is
you're not delivering to

1429
01:08:15,548 --> 01:08:20,345
what is needed
for the group, the state,

1430
01:08:17,342 --> 01:08:21,889
the people, whatever.
The summary for me.

1431
01:08:21,889 --> 01:08:24,725
So I think it does need
to happen, but just less

1432
01:08:24,725 --> 01:08:28,813
and I'm hoping for less
in the future. Biology

1433
01:08:27,019 --> 01:08:30,605
would have been saying
with with your kind of

1434
01:08:28,813 --> 01:08:32,190
objections. Okay,
but if we have the rules

1435
01:08:32,190 --> 01:08:36,194
and then they're enforced
by the code and you can't

1436
01:08:34,819 --> 01:08:38,780
break the code,
kind of like how humans

1437
01:08:36,194 --> 01:08:40,240
go, you know, you should have
conflicts of interest.

1438
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,953
But and this guy takes
this job in this place

1439
01:08:41,658 --> 01:08:46,663
and that sort of thing.
So but code code won't

1440
01:08:43,953 --> 01:08:49,125
allow you to do that.
So that's probably one

1441
01:08:46,663 --> 01:08:50,417
where I'm kind of
kind of like maybe,

1442
01:08:50,417 --> 01:08:51,793
maybe that'll happen
more in the future.

1443
01:08:51,793 --> 01:08:54,255
Who knows? Probably
not. But who knows? And,

1444
01:08:55,296 --> 01:09:01,177
and the other one was
I do like to listen

1445
01:08:59,092 --> 01:09:05,349
to Mark Andreessen
every now and then, not every now

1446
01:09:02,971 --> 01:09:06,641
and then, just doses because
he also speaks so fast.

1447
01:09:06,641 --> 01:09:09,895
But that guy. Yeah, I like him.
I like I definitely

1448
01:09:09,895 --> 01:09:14,108
I do not listen to him
at 1.5. 1.2. Yeah absolutely not.

1449
01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:16,234
And he was going over
all these books that he read

1450
01:09:16,234 --> 01:09:17,819
and he was saying
how one of them was,

1451
01:09:17,819 --> 01:09:21,990
was talking about how
if you get back

1452
01:09:19,445 --> 01:09:23,908
into the real religions
when we're kind of in the hunter

1453
01:09:23,908 --> 01:09:26,912
gatherer stage for that
very small group stage,

1454
01:09:27,704 --> 01:09:30,082
everyone knew exactly what
their thing was.

1455
01:09:30,082 --> 01:09:34,837
So the religion was
to the tits, it was all

1456
01:09:31,833 --> 01:09:37,756
you thought about.
It was it dominated

1457
01:09:34,878 --> 01:09:40,216
every single action.
The hierarchy was

1458
01:09:37,756 --> 01:09:42,011
so well-established
and it was kind of

1459
01:09:40,216 --> 01:09:44,262
freeing in one way
because you knew exactly

1460
01:09:42,011 --> 01:09:47,056
your place. There's no wondering
about the meaning of life.

1461
01:09:47,056 --> 01:09:51,520
You knew it, you had it.
It was a. Solid discipline.

1462
01:09:48,559 --> 01:09:54,523
Ecosphere There we go.
And but it was also rather

1463
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:57,525
restrictive. And, you know,
you weren't allowed

1464
01:09:55,733 --> 01:09:59,528
to talk to this person
or you couldn't behave

1465
01:09:57,525 --> 01:10:00,904
in this sort of way.
These sort of things

1466
01:09:59,528 --> 01:10:02,238
had to be followed, even if
it was counterintuitive,

1467
01:10:03,448 --> 01:10:07,536
were definitely more along
the path of more freedoms

1468
01:10:04,574 --> 01:10:10,581
nowadays.
But there is something to

1469
01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:14,001
that of of just having
that in a rock solid thing

1470
01:10:10,872 --> 01:10:16,628
that you know about
and that that Yeah,

1471
01:10:16,628 --> 01:10:19,965
How does that relate to politics?
I can't even remember it

1472
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:24,302
just up into my head now.
But I think I think that

1473
01:10:19,965 --> 01:10:26,471
we can have less of it.
And sometimes it's as simple

1474
01:10:26,471 --> 01:10:29,475
as just cutting it out
and, not hearing about it.

1475
01:10:30,225 --> 01:10:31,894
One of the things
I was talking to Pete

1476
01:10:31,894 --> 01:10:34,063
about was Bitcoin
and value for value,

1477
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,814
and he was just like, Look,
I just don't

1478
01:10:35,605 --> 01:10:38,108
want to deal with it.
I don't care about it.

1479
01:10:38,108 --> 01:10:40,985
It's all I hear
is rug pulls and things

1480
01:10:40,985 --> 01:10:43,238
like that. And I went, you know,
I can appreciate that.

1481
01:10:43,238 --> 01:10:44,948
So I was that.
Very same with Kaavan.

1482
01:10:44,948 --> 01:10:49,244
I didn't care about ivermectin,
but I care about mask

1483
01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:52,038
wearing or this or that.
And I just cut that out

1484
01:10:49,411 --> 01:10:53,289
for two years,
two and a half years of my life,

1485
01:10:53,289 --> 01:10:57,920
and I think I'm better for that.
So that level of

1486
01:10:54,625 --> 01:11:00,296
politicking, politicking,
avoiding all that,

1487
01:10:58,671 --> 01:11:01,715
all that drama,
it actually is beneficial.

1488
01:11:01,715 --> 01:11:05,511
It helps me and
if it makes people happy,

1489
01:11:03,841 --> 01:11:07,345
I'm all for it.
If they love the drama

1490
01:11:05,511 --> 01:11:11,015
that they love
the theatrics at Pete,

1491
01:11:07,345 --> 01:11:13,101
Pete loves that shit.
He's all about politics of.

1492
01:11:13,101 --> 01:11:15,854
I know there's so many
political podcasts out there.

1493
01:11:15,854 --> 01:11:17,480
People love that shit. They
love talking about it.

1494
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:22,694
So you go for it, you.
Consume it, it's.

1495
01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:24,238
Your thing, go for it.
That one thing I would say

1496
01:11:24,238 --> 01:11:27,658
is, and I actually respect
women for their version

1497
01:11:27,658 --> 01:11:30,202
much more than men,
because it's it's always

1498
01:11:30,202 --> 01:11:31,869
men who are into these
sort of things.

1499
01:11:31,869 --> 01:11:34,872
And they're also the ones
in the governmental stuff

1500
01:11:35,164 --> 01:11:38,918
where they actually
can make decisions

1501
01:11:35,916 --> 01:11:40,212
that will impact my life.
Whereas women

1502
01:11:40,212 --> 01:11:44,550
choose the much smarter option
of reality television

1503
01:11:41,546 --> 01:11:47,677
by far in general
generalising here, I know

1504
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:49,179
men like I'm going to
with this. Yeah, for sure.

1505
01:11:50,764 --> 01:11:55,601
And this doesn't impact anything.
It's the Kardashians.

1506
01:11:55,601 --> 01:11:58,896
I was chatting with a girl
who does a dance dance with.

1507
01:11:58,896 --> 01:12:03,277
She was watching Fuck Boy Island.
Fuck Boy Island.

1508
01:12:03,277 --> 01:12:09,198
So tell me about Fuck Boy Island.
You know, all these things

1509
01:12:04,987 --> 01:12:11,493
I, I human enough.
God didn't really care

1510
01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:12,493
that much. Of course. You didn't.
You didn't care about it

1511
01:12:12,493 --> 01:12:14,954
because you submitted
your proposal to go into it

1512
01:12:13,871 --> 01:12:17,541
and they rejected.
You not on fuck

1513
01:12:14,954 --> 01:12:18,625
Boy Island, that is. Half of them
are fucking boys

1514
01:12:18,625 --> 01:12:22,462
and half of them are nice guys.
Fortunately,

1515
01:12:20,418 --> 01:12:24,631
you didn't fit either.
Not fit in the nice guy

1516
01:12:22,462 --> 01:12:27,467
one for sure. I think that's
how women see me and

1517
01:12:27,467 --> 01:12:31,512
and I was going like, you know,
at least that stuff

1518
01:12:29,386 --> 01:12:33,765
doesn't affect others.
You know that that the politics

1519
01:12:33,765 --> 01:12:37,895
they care about that they love.
Its drama for drama sake. Yes.

1520
01:12:37,895 --> 01:12:40,146
Yes. Which I'm
I'm actually I think

1521
01:12:40,146 --> 01:12:42,065
they're much smarter
because of that. Yeah.

1522
01:12:42,065 --> 01:12:44,568
Much more so it's like
drama for drama sake.

1523
01:12:44,568 --> 01:12:48,488
Not politics. The drama.
It's like. It's like,

1524
01:12:47,154 --> 01:12:49,280
yeah, okay, that's.
You're missing the point.

1525
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,699
Like, just just go
have a play about this.

1526
01:12:51,699 --> 01:12:53,702
Not actually deal
with my life. Yeah.

1527
01:12:53,702 --> 01:12:56,913
And then a final little
curve ball here right at the end.

1528
01:12:56,913 --> 01:12:59,666
Am I just not appreciating
the Australian system?

1529
01:12:59,666 --> 01:13:02,752
Am I not appreciating politics?
Should I actually care at

1530
01:13:02,752 --> 01:13:05,756
the should what I hate
the should but should I.

1531
01:13:05,838 --> 01:13:08,675
Because I met an
Argentinean girl recently

1532
01:13:08,675 --> 01:13:11,677
and I expressed my disdain
of politics to her

1533
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,180
and she looked down
upon me for my kind

1534
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:20,604
of non-participation and her,
you know, two sentence argument

1535
01:13:18,726 --> 01:13:22,189
because we didn't dwell on
it was yeah,

1536
01:13:22,189 --> 01:13:26,527
but then your country can
turn into Argentinian politics.

1537
01:13:26,527 --> 01:13:28,945
If you don't care
about your politics here,

1538
01:13:28,945 --> 01:13:31,573
it can turn into the kind
of stuff they have there,

1539
01:13:31,573 --> 01:13:36,744
which is a lot more corrupt,
a lot more bullshit

1540
01:13:33,699 --> 01:13:39,038
with way worse outcomes.
And I went all

1541
01:13:39,038 --> 01:13:45,337
of like a little seed of
doubt in my heart. Yeah, I went,

1542
01:13:42,376 --> 01:13:47,797
Oh man, maybe she's right,
but I don't think she's right

1543
01:13:47,797 --> 01:13:50,634
after especially after
this whole talk that we just had.

1544
01:13:50,634 --> 01:13:55,096
But maybe she's. Right.
Maybe. Maybe I'll,

1545
01:13:53,095 --> 01:14:01,060
I'll, I'll end that.
My the just finally in politics

1546
01:14:01,060 --> 01:14:06,442
versus absolute chaos
and I'm talking

1547
01:14:04,148 --> 01:14:08,860
like not not anarchy.
I'm talking like chaos where

1548
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:11,822
it's like a bad chaos
and or you know,

1549
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:12,698
you have a tyrant ruler. Well,
you don't use politics.

1550
01:14:12,698 --> 01:14:14,533
You're going to use a
well set up politics,

1551
01:14:14,533 --> 01:14:16,909
even if it's going to be
influencing some people

1552
01:14:15,826 --> 01:14:18,369
in the better way.
And this stops the power.

1553
01:14:18,369 --> 01:14:20,956
Well, shit that
than absolute destruction.

1554
01:14:20,956 --> 01:14:23,625
But as you start
moving towards the tilt of

1555
01:14:23,625 --> 01:14:25,836
a better society,
a more stable society,

1556
01:14:24,501 --> 01:14:28,463
and we'll say, well,
financial system,

1557
01:14:25,836 --> 01:14:31,132
more stable, whatever,
then maybe we're saying,

1558
01:14:28,463 --> 01:14:32,551
okay, let's let's politics
as you start

1559
01:14:31,132 --> 01:14:35,136
becoming a little bit. More.
Secure and what is around you,

1560
01:14:35,136 --> 01:14:38,222
all the safety around that,
that could be fair enough.

1561
01:14:38,222 --> 01:14:41,310
I think. Yeah.
Okay. Um what would a and.

1562
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:42,226
I think we going to
leave it there.

1563
01:14:42,226 --> 01:14:45,021
Any final thoughts
around valley for Valley

1564
01:14:45,021 --> 01:14:47,106
Peace programming
and people can support us.

1565
01:14:48,065 --> 01:14:50,777
Do you want to do that?
Well I just checked

1566
01:14:48,817 --> 01:14:53,279
double check the paper
to make sure nothing has come in.

1567
01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:56,533
Okay, We'll have a quick look.
So, folks at home,

1568
01:14:56,533 --> 01:14:57,701
we talked about the Biz
Gram Lounge

1569
01:14:57,701 --> 01:15:01,329
already of those beauties
who's come through now.

1570
01:15:01,537 --> 01:15:05,833
That is the ability
for folks home sent through

1571
01:15:03,789 --> 01:15:08,795
some sort of bitcoin.
The former satoshis,

1572
01:15:05,833 --> 01:15:11,006
by the way, of Bitcoin through
sorry through the way of b

1573
01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:15,219
stream or streaming
satoshis through while listening

1574
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:18,764
to a podcast.
So that's with apps out

1575
01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:23,935
there like Fountain, like
what often. Happens is people

1576
01:15:21,307 --> 01:15:25,811
go to memorials podcast dot
com slash support

1577
01:15:25,811 --> 01:15:27,564
because I will be
updating that page

1578
01:15:27,564 --> 01:15:32,194
and it will be the kind of
streamlined process it will have.

1579
01:15:32,194 --> 01:15:36,280
I'm planning on basically
doing that to finish

1580
01:15:35,113 --> 01:15:38,158
how you can do it. And then also
some suggestions of,

1581
01:15:38,158 --> 01:15:41,161
okay we're going to use
this app for this reason

1582
01:15:41,203 --> 01:15:42,871
and this will help you out
in this way.

1583
01:15:42,871 --> 01:15:46,166
So you want transcripts?
Probably the best ones

1584
01:15:44,581 --> 01:15:47,792
put friend, you want images,
probably the best ones

1585
01:15:47,792 --> 01:15:50,546
braise or fountain,
you want this, that sort of deal.

1586
01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:53,590
So try and make it streamlined
from start to finish.

1587
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:55,676
So I've had some recent
experiences of me

1588
01:15:55,676 --> 01:15:58,804
trying to use things going live
and the last call

1589
01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:00,639
that for me is check out
the value for value.

1590
01:16:00,639 --> 01:16:04,475
So I have restarted it back up.
The first episode

1591
01:16:04,475 --> 01:16:07,061
should have dropped
17 minutes ago

1592
01:16:07,061 --> 01:16:11,108
and that will well, one,
just go check that out.

1593
01:16:11,108 --> 01:16:15,820
So it's illuminating.
But the what what I learned from

1594
01:16:15,820 --> 01:16:20,199
that was just, man
you need hand-holding. Sometimes

1595
01:16:18,907 --> 01:16:20,951
you need hand-holding.
And I think this

1596
01:16:20,951 --> 01:16:24,704
is one of the times
where I go, okay, I can actually

1597
01:16:22,411 --> 01:16:27,332
look in this case.
So memos, podcast, dot

1598
01:16:24,704 --> 01:16:28,750
com slash support. Yeah, Get some
hand-holding, folks.

1599
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:30,836
Get some handheld. All right.
Well, thank you very much for

1600
01:16:30,836 --> 01:16:36,966
tuning into the musings today.
Once again, 5th of July

1601
01:16:33,046 --> 01:16:39,219
2023 at 7 p.m..
We do these live for

1602
01:16:36,966 --> 01:16:40,177
you folks at home.
Zero on the paper.

1603
01:16:40,177 --> 01:16:43,390
Zero on the paper. There you go.
But it will won't

1604
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:46,268
be zero for very long.
So the better

1605
01:16:44,349 --> 01:16:48,228
time to look at this.
I'll send myself

1606
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:49,895
a11 sentence we like.
I try to send myself my money

1607
01:16:49,895 --> 01:16:52,399
as some money just to test it.
And it was like,

1608
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:54,650
No, you can't do that.
I was going to ask you,

1609
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:57,404
can you try it out?
Okay, Yeah, just to make

1610
01:16:54,650 --> 01:16:58,863
sure it works. The final me more
or less are going to

1611
01:16:58,113 --> 01:17:00,489
leave it there. I hope you are.
Well, wherever you are

1612
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:05,578
in the world. Juan out
Kyrin out good. Good, good,

1613
01:17:05,578 --> 01:17:06,829
good good.