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It's a language focused episode .... but with side orderings of randomness as well.

In Conversation #94, Pete and I discuss: our ever increasing range of hobbies, nerding out on language learning, Nigel Richards and his ridiculous memory abilities, why I might be able to pick up Portuguese relatively easy and the type of people who are able to master accents and pronunciation.

As always, I hope you enjoy. Kyrin out!

Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(0:45) - Melbourne vs Sydney traffic
(4:56) - Kids & cats
(11:19) - Hardcore hobbies
(16:05) - Playing and collecting guitars
(21:14) - Hobbies with a long-term payoff
(25:58) - The hardest thing we've ever done
(29:40) - Hating on polyglots
(34:21) - Language proficiency at a native level
(39:53) - The Scrabble rabbit hole
(43:51) - What it's like to have photographic memory
(47:37) - Lobotomies, split brains & swearing
(55:20) - Portuguese swear words sound so nice
(57:26) - Pronunciation in Portuguese
(1:03:30) - The importance of pronunciation
(1:09:00) - Language community wokeness
(1:13:55) - Who nails the Aussie accent?
(1:22:37) - Managing mental health
(1:26:51) - Aussie English podcast


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Welcome, everyone,
to another episode. We're back

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with Pete again. I think this is
number 94. I've had you on

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so many times now. It's sort of.
Episode. 94 with me

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or just episode. Exactly.
With it, with the conversations.

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Yeah. We've got like
so many different various things

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that we have that
it's like the numbers

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are almost meaningless.
Mm hmm. But yeah, yeah.

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You were just saying,
you've gotten sick

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from pollen season.
Well, man, like, I came back from

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Melbourne and.
Yeah, just for a week

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I had this kind
of, like, gravelly,

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gravelly voice, you know, sniffly
and all this sort of stuff.

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I don't know what it was.
Melbourne, Melbourne things.

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I don't even think
it was an actual disease.

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It was just like just being in
Melbourne made me a

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contact sickness. Yeah, I got
to say, man, like. Melbourne's

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not my favourite place. It's.
Whoa, whoa, whoa,

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whoa, whoa, whoa. Dude.
It's like the world's

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most liveable city for the 57th,
you know, recurring year.

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And come on, it's. What are you
talking about? It's like it's

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probably because, you know,
people have nice cars,

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and so they just.
You're basically

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living in your car the whole time
in Melbourne.

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Fucking traffic, man.
It's fucking ridiculous.

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Oh, well, go to Sydney,
You'd enjoy Sydney more.

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That's my gripe with Sydney
is just the traffic

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and the claustrophobia
in the streets. I remember

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being in Sydney when we were
living in Canberra, we went to

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I can't remember why we went.
So some people went to a party,

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but I remember
trying to find a park

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just in a suburban street
and being like, This is fucked.

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There's nowhere. And it was like
the street was. It was one of

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those situations
where it's two lanes

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but there's no
added space for parking

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and so people just park
on the side of the road

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with the two lanes.
And so you have to do the whole

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driving down
the middle of the street

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until you find a spot
and or getting out of the way

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when the next cars coming in.
I was just like, it's bad enough

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having that in Melbourne
in some of the very old suburbs.

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I think like the ones around the
the centre of the city, right

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like North Melbourne,
that you might have those sorts

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of side streets, but Sydney
seem to have quite a few of those

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and I was just like,
this is a fucking nightmare.

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I can't imagine
owning a car here. I see why

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people would just,
you know, move around.

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But yeah, Melbourne, I mean
it's one of those things.

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I haven't lived in the city
in Melbourne's, you know,

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in, in inner city in about
probably five years

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now, maybe more.
I think it was 2017,

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I finished up there
so yeah, six years

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and I don't miss it. Yeah.
But that's, I think that's

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just city life in general, right.
I kind of once

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you adapt to suburban
suburban life and you don't

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have a reason
to sort of be in the city

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and you get into your thirties
and you no longer

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really give a shit
about going out and clubbing

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and socialising every
single night of the week.

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You kind of like, yeah,
you tap out. And now

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when I've gone back to Melbourne,
I'm like, Yeah,

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I can handle. This. Yeah.
So yeah. I feel, yeah.

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Well my first introduction to
Sydney was I flew down

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with my family.
I can't remember why

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we flew down on such a
crazy flight,

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but we basically arrived
in Sydney on midnight

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and it was must've
been a mid-week

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and it was winter cold.
I was on my learner's,

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so I was trying
to get up my hours

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of driving here. Which is
this is only a few years ago.

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Then I just have an intense
15, 15 years ago and Jesus. Yeah.

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Got in there, you know,
Dad's like, Yeah, we'll

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get, we'll get out.
And I was like, I mean, like.

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I won't get much time.
It's it's only half an hour

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from the airport to the
to wherever we were standing.

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As the crow flies. Yeah, yeah.
And sure enough, what,

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what turned out,
it turned out to be

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just like an hour and a half of
stressful madness.

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The amount of roadworks
and traffic,

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even at, like, 2 a.m. and 1 a.m.
to I am on a weeknight

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and one way streets
and I was just.

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I it. Aged me by it.
Yeah, you're right.

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It was a couple of years ago.
I just got aged by a decade.

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From that one night drive. Yeah,
I remember that experience.

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Yeah. Yeah. With Sydney
and just having the I don't know

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if it's unique
to the, to that location

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or maybe it was at the time,
but I remember it just being a

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total nightmare,
trying to drive around

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even on the highways and stuff
and how long it took them.

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Just being like I remember
there was a guy

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who used to bike to work.
We went and stayed with him

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and he was like, It's shorter
for me to ride than it is

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to to drive a car
because of the traffic

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as I just keep
going down the side.

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Of it, you know, like, Oh my God.
He lives 50 KS or something.

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Yeah, no, it. Wasn't that far,
but it would take like

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half an hour from, you know,
whatever it was, 15,

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ten kilometres away would take
half an hour

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or more on a good day and so
he would just be like, well it's

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going to take me half
an hour to ride it. So

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what does it matter?
Yeah, for sure. But yeah, yeah.

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Well I'm, I'm so, I'm
actually planning

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on some travel next year
and I was going

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to ask you about this
in particular and but,

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but one piece of advice
I heard from Kevin Kelly,

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if you've heard of him before,
it's kind of like a used to be

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a guy who editor
of Wired magazine

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and he was saying
one of the best thing

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to do as travelling is if you
fly into somewhere,

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just get out of the city
as immediately,

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as quickly as you can. Mm hmm.
And I've been guilty

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in the past of of flying in,
and it's just like,

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Oh, it's so easy.
Just get a hostel, stay there

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for a couple of nights.
I did that with Guatemala City

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and that that place was awful.
Just a just a like,

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just a truly dangerous
sort of place.

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You didn't want to be.
But yeah, I'm planning on

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actually going to Brazil
next year, so. Oh, look at.

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I met a Brazil,
I had a Brazilian friend,

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a guy friend who lives actually
in London. How do you say

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I love how. You have to stipulate
that as if it's an issue.

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If it was a woman.
Well, it's just like,

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you know, people people could get
good ideas

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on why I'm going there.
Do you know? Well, Andre is.

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Have you heard of it?
How do you say it? Well, I know.

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I think I mean,
if is it spelt like you say, like

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a lawn drain or drainage. And I
think with just in a not

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without any accents or anything.
Yeah. So it would be

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like laundry you know.
Yeah. Yeah. So he lives there

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which is I believe.
It's west and. A little bit

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south of Sao Paolo. So yeah,
that area somewhere. And for.

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Those probably confused as to
why you're asking me that, I'm

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married to a Brazilian
and I speak Portuguese

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at home. So. Correct. Yeah. Yeah.
So I, I was like yeah. What,

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what's Pete's advice for.
For going to Brazil. Well.

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I've never been so,
you know, I did. Not know.

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Never been. I met my wife here,
she was in Townsville

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originally and commented
on one of my YouTube videos

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and was like
because I teach English.

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So again, for anyone
who doesn't know

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and she was learning
English at the time

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and I'd started
learning Portuguese,

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I think probably a month
or two earlier, and I was like,

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Oh, are you from Brazil?
Do you want to do some, you know,

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English for Portuguese
kind of trade? And

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yeah, we ended up hitting it off
and didn't really care

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about the languages too much
after a short period of time. So.

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But yeah, no, I've never been
and she hasn't been back

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since she moved to Australia.
So it's been like

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ten years for her, maybe less,
maybe eight years. Yes, that.

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Was been quite a while.
But we want to go. But we've got

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two kids now and fuck that
with two small children on.

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I imagine at least two flights.
Yeah. To get from Australia

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to Brazil. 100% to. Do not.
I'd rather get a boat

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I think just so that I wouldn't
have to be in a fat tube

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with them
with so many other people

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you know, and having to.
My kids are full of energy and.

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And what a very.
Very what would you say.

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I'm trying to put it nicely.
Yeah. Precocious. So yeah.

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No, the idea of having them
in a confined space

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for any prolonged period of time
is probably my worst nightmare.

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What I saw in. Two and a half
and four and a half. Yeah. Okay.

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I think when the youngest
gets to about my oldest,

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my oldest sage, like once,
once she gets to four and a half

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and you can actually
negotiate with her

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and she understands
and everything, whether or not

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she learns that by four
and a half will be another story.

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But I think that's
when it's kind of like,

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okay, now we can do it.
But at the moment

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there's just no real, you know,
just be patient. Good luck. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, so. We we got this
guy recently and he's a pest,

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and I'm holding up a cat
for anyone listening.

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This is scrap. My son chose him,
but he gets into

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everything, so he's
going through my office

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at the moment,
just rummaging through.

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Everything and said
was the name chosen

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before he was scrapping
around everywhere. Or.

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Uh, I think so, yeah. My son
just picked that out of out of a

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hat, effectively. I don't know
where you heard it

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or came up with it,
but he, he was like,

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I want another cat
and I want to call it

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scrap metal. Well, I guess
we're getting another cat.

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Getting into the plant.
As it. Hat on here. So I have

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a lot of indoor plants at home.
So I mean, we have some

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in the living room.
I sort of downsized

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a little bit there because, yeah,
he just does get into everything

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and I just don't I don't yeah,
I think it's a kitten thing

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obviously, where they're
just a curious and they're

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constantly just sniffing
things and pulling shit down,

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jumping on stuff
and not understanding,

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you know, physics. And so
in the bathroom we had three

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large plants that were up
on a sort of, what would you say

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like a one of those tables
that you would get.

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But it has like three parts
and they had

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sort of unequal heights.
So there's like three sections

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that you can put plants on.
And they kind of

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staggered, right? And he just
jumped up on that and ripped

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the whole thing down
while my wife was having a shower

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and just smashed all the pots.
And I was just like,

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yeah, this is this is going to
be a problem. So.

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Oh, yeah, downsized. I look, it's
probably better for you

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to just general
household cleanliness

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because the last
I saw of your plants,

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they were everywhere.
Yeah, there were quite a few.

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But they've been
the expensive ones.

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The ones that I.
The investment plants.

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They shut the door on me.
They're hiding away in a room,

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so I have to keep that shut.
Initially I used to have the door

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to that room open and I would
just have like a little kitty

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gate in the hallway.
But he just fit straight

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through that. My other cat's
too fat to jump over

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and to fit through and didn't
really care about that location.

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But yeah, he he can jump over it
easily and fit through it.

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Without. At least currently
his head needs to get

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a little larger.
And as we're just saying,

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opening and closing doors
so I probably just can unlock it.

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Oh man, he's such a pest.
Cats are just it's so funny.

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Some cats, I think he's
just it's good. It's that

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it's like with children, right?
It's the good features of that

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That person, that animal
also make it really annoying.

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And so he's really affectionate,
wants to be around you

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all the time and is playful
and everything but it means like

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when you're sleeping,
he's just constantly wanting to

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jump on your head
and pat your face.

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And in the morning
when he's hungry,

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comes over and starts
licking my mouth

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and I'll wake up getting,
you know, tongue kiss by

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just being like, Fuck me.
So I have to, like,

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lock him out of the room
and yeah, then I'm just like.

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Can't do it. Yeah.
I'm going to get him, you know,

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I'm just going to
get all sorts of. Cat. Herpes.

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On my face. Yeah. Nice.
How is the other

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plant stuff going, man? I've.
I've really

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tuned into that channel
as much as. I've.

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Sort of slowed down.
I had a YouTube channel

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where I was talking
a lot about this stuff,

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and I've just sort of
been overwhelmed more recently

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with just kids and work and cats.
And I also got back into guitar

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after quite a while
and I found that

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there's obviously a threshold
for energy and and time and yeah,

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so I've just been focusing
mainly on work kids,

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cats and guitar.
It does seem like

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you'd really jump
into your hobbies hardcore

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when you when you find a new one,
when you got that, when it's

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starting to take off,
it's like, Yeah. Oh man,

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I don't know if it's a gift
or a curse, but yeah,

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I definitely have
that personality

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of diving in hard
and going all out.

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And it was like that
with guitars, you know?

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I recently got back and played
for a few months on my old guitar

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and was like, Yeah, okay,
I'm going hard.

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So I ended up lashing out
in a whole bunch of

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more expensive. Gets all the
dream guitars that I wanted

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when I was a little kid
that I could never afford,

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and now I can. I'm just like,
Yeah, really reliving

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those things.
Can you tell when it's when it's

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going to actually
start consuming time?

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Because I mean, like if anyone's
listened to any of

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our previous episodes, you know,
we cover like

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so many different topics
and it's not like you dived into,

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you know, we're talking about
those tiny Japanese

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fishing rods last time.
It's not like you you started

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trading that for yourself
and making that. Can you

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can you tell when you're going to
lose yourself in a passion?

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I mean, you can
tell when you're on it. I think

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for me personally at least,
and this is what I don't get,

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like my wife, she just doesn't
have this in her. She doesn't

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have the obsession, the urge.
I don't know if it's a

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masculine thing. I don't know
if it's just an ADHD thing

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or a hyper obsession. Obsessive
compulsive disorder

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sort of thing or. Yeah,
and what the

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combination is there.
But it's really funny

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because she's just like
has no urge

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to kind of collect or to
what would you say,

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just learn shitloads about a very
specific area, you know, like

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she gets into stuff
like at the moment

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she's gone down
the make up rabbit hole.

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Well that's a, that's a deep
one isn't it. Yeah.

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And she enjoys it a bit but again
she hasn't really like

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it was mainly a utilitarian
kind of thing of like

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she works in reception,
she needs to present herself

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to the public. She wanted to wear
make up and she wanted to know

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a bit more
about how to put it on. And so

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learnt quite a bit initially,
but then was like got the basics

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done, you know, and whereas for
me I have that

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intellectual kind of
wanting to learn more

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about something
for the sake of learning

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more about it, and then also this
collective side of me

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that's like I want to
have a large collection

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of whatever the thing is that
I am currently possessed

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by in order to be able
to experience those things.

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And I guess so. So with guitar
at the moment, I have like

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I think I went
from one to about ten

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in a in a few months and bought
pretty much a whole bunch

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of different types.
And there is sort of

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one side of me is kind of like
I just want a lot of the things

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and I want a lot of the
different things and I kind of

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want them all.
And the other side of me

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is kind of like,
I want to be able to experience

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all of them so I can get
a better understanding

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of what I enjoy and what I like,
especially in that

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initial kind of stages of really
getting into something.

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And then now I'm starting to
downsize a bit,

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so I'm getting rid
of the stuff that I'm

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paying attention to,
how much I use certain guitars

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or play them,
or the kind of music.

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Initially I started just playing
shitloads at all,

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so I got Adam Jones as custom
well signature guitar from Gibson

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and just was playing
heaps it all on it, and now I'm

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learning the blues.
Mike So I'm playing

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heaps of blues
on this fender behind me.

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And so it's interesting,
just kind of like

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allowing it to take me
where it wants to take me.

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That's part of it
too, that I find

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really interesting
with the self analysing.

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When I get into these hobbies,
I try not to pigeonhole myself

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too deeply and one thing
or another and allow the journey

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to just kind of take me from,
you know, the initial stages

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to wherever it's
going to take me. So I would

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never have thought
even six months ago

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that I would be listening to
Joe Bonamassa

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or Stevie Ray Vaughan
or Jeff Beck. I never listen

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to these types of guitarists
or this type,

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these types of music.
When I was a lot younger,

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it was always
sort of like alternative

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rock and metal and maybe pop
rock to some degree, but never.

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I always thought the blues,
it was a little, you know, lame,

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you know, old man kind of lame.
And then you get you get,

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you know, a receding hairline
and you reach

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your thirties and you're.
Like, well, I guess it's time

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to learn the blues and
no, but I am. So I mean, I'm

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rabbiting on. But yeah,
I picked up the guitar

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because I was I think you know
what got me into it. Califia

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I don't know
if any of you guys know

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a band called You mentioned
an instrumental. I did.

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I talk about that. Yeah.
And I, yeah, I started

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listening to a lot
of that stuff is, Oh my God.

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Like, it's just amazing.
They all freak musicians.

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It is like one of those bands
like Tool. You listen to it all

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and it's like,
this thing is amazing,

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the guitarist
amazing, the drummer's amazing,

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the bass is amazing.
And the writing allows

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each one of them to shine
through in the music. And so

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it can be a much
more intellectual kind of process

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than, say, and again,
with all due respect,

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listening to Taylor Swift
or Justin Bieber, right.

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Like it's again, you know,
objectively, it's it's

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pretty good music, You know,
you know, it ticks all the boxes

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in terms of it's catchy.
You know. Yeah, exactly.

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But you're not listening
to Taylor Swift going,

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fuck this guitar.
I tell you what,

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this guy's just killed.
He's just crushing it, you know?

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But I'm. Yeah. So I initially
got into it because of Bolivia

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and I was like, Fuck.
I just remember how how,

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how much fun guitar was
because I used to always play

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when I was younger.
I was in bands, I sang in bands,

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I played guitar in some bands.
And I just wanted that kind

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of creative outlet again
because I once I dived

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in, I hadn't really
listened to music for

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probably a decade, right?
Like on and off,

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but not religiously.
Like when I was in a band

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where it would be like if I'm not
talking to someone,

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I had headphones in
and I was listening to something,

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but I've sort of
gotten back into that

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and I just remember that
that creative outlet being able

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to create music.
There's something about

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making music that is just very
there's a spiritual side

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to it, right? That just feels
it feels really, really

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fulfilling, relaxing
when you get into

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the zone, really
like with anything or

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jujitsu is the same
when you kind of get into a zone

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where you're not
thinking about it, you just kind

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of doing it. There's something
very kind of meditative about it.

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Anyway, so I wanted to get
back into that.

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I picked up my old guitar
that had been in my parent's

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closet and was like,
If I play this for a few months,

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I'll stop buying guitars
because there are a whole bunch

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that I wish I'd owned
when I was younger but never had

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the funds to be able to get.
And then, yeah, so I started

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getting some. I just couldn't
stop myself. And until recently,

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yeah, I ended up spending
$10,000 on that one.

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So I was like, Yeah, I've
tapped out. Oh yeah, that,

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that's, that's me. Maxed out.
I'm gassed out.

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So I love the plant.
The plant hop he needed to take.

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Well, I. Had to sell
a whole bunch of them

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to pay for the guitars.
That was pretty much the

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the deal.
But of course, of course. Yeah.

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But the other side. Of it, too,
is that I'm trying

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to invest in guitars
that are going

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to maintain their value
and or grow in terms of value

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over at least,
you know, five, ten.

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Years. Well, that's. The thing
that I've noticed with you.

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It's the collecting,
but it's not. It's not.

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There's a financial
aspect to it as well. It's not.

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It's not just your want on
completely like mad.

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I'm, you know, just whatever
pops up at me.

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So I think that's a.
I think I have to be able

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to justify it.
There's that side of it

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where it and I want
if I'm going to spend

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that kind of money,
you know, I've saved up,

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I've worked hard and I have money
that I want to spend on a

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hobby or something. I want it
so that if I die tomorrow, my,

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my parents,
my family, my my wife,

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my kids could sell this shit
and get the money back.

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Whereas yeah,
if it was like a Jacuzzi

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or a large TV or a second hand
car of some kind, it's

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almost always going
to depreciate the moment

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you buy it and not be worth
anywhere near

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what it cost to, to buy. Whereas.
Yeah, and that's part

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I've noticed that too
with myself. And it was the same

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with plants. There's something
about the hunt of trying

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to find a good deal
and trying to find

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the next thing. And I, I,
I wonder how much

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that kind of ties in
with shopping addiction

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where you are getting probably a
a dopamine rush or dopamine hit.

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And I can see how
like once I was into

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the plants, I was like,
you know, and buying quite a few,

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trying to get my collection up
so that I could grow them out

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and, you know, cut them up.
So bits and pieces I saw how

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like there's
one side of it that is

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I want to own all these things.
I want to have them all,

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irrespective
of how much they cost,

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whether they're cheap
or expensive. But then there's

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the other side
that's kind of like,

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I really enjoy that,
getting something in the mail,

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having something new arrive,
and that feeling of, yeah, that,

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that unwrapping
a gift kind of thing.

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Any time I receive
something in the mail,

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I was like, Oh, this is amazing.
And then when you didn't

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have something in the mail,
you'd be like, Oh man, there's

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00:20:30,645 --> 00:20:33,522
nothing coming. This week. Fuck.
I have to get a guess.

431
00:20:33,522 --> 00:20:35,983
I have to get online
and find something like.

432
00:20:35,983 --> 00:20:40,739
Come on Amazon.
So yeah, but it is that that's

433
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:42,615
never come to lately taken over
or anything like that.

434
00:20:42,615 --> 00:20:45,076
For me personally,
at least as far as I'm,

435
00:20:45,076 --> 00:20:48,413
I feel like I am.
I feel like I can control it, but

436
00:20:48,413 --> 00:20:54,252
I can see how okay, this could
be a runaway kind of addiction

437
00:20:54,252 --> 00:20:57,005
for some people where, you know,
as opposed to

438
00:20:57,005 --> 00:20:58,798
doing math or something
and getting a dopamine

439
00:20:58,798 --> 00:21:01,926
rush that way you do it this way
and just love

440
00:21:01,926 --> 00:21:03,636
buying stuff and always
having something new.

441
00:21:03,636 --> 00:21:06,222
And the hunt more so than than
having the thing.

442
00:21:06,222 --> 00:21:07,723
Because afterwards
you kind of like

443
00:21:07,723 --> 00:21:09,476
put it on the shelf and walk away
and you're like,

444
00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:13,939
Well, what's next? You know? But
yeah, it's very different.

445
00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:16,692
I mean, I suppose just getting
to the difference between you and

446
00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:18,777
your wife, it's maybe more
just the general

447
00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:21,654
like male female divide,
which is men are more interested

448
00:21:21,654 --> 00:21:24,615
in things,
women are more interested

449
00:21:24,615 --> 00:21:27,868
in like people.
And so it could just be,

450
00:21:27,868 --> 00:21:30,622
you know, that sort of thing
to how I approach

451
00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:32,749
hobbies is, is very,
very different as well.

452
00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:35,294
And it's like what what was like
the payoff

453
00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:41,173
that I get from things. And so
when I think about. The. Podcast

454
00:21:41,173 --> 00:21:46,430
or a lot of the exercise stuff
I do or even language learning,

455
00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:51,643
it's kind of the repetitive.
It's like being able to tick off

456
00:21:51,643 --> 00:21:52,935
something like
if I've done an hour

457
00:21:52,935 --> 00:21:55,521
or something a day,
I kind of get a little

458
00:21:55,521 --> 00:21:59,442
just a good feeling from that.
And then the real payoff

459
00:21:59,442 --> 00:22:03,029
is usually a year
or two down the track where it's

460
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:06,991
you that you have a conversation
in the gym like I did yesterday

461
00:22:06,991 --> 00:22:10,037
with this Colombian couple.
And it's. That. It's not perfect.

462
00:22:10,037 --> 00:22:12,580
But some days
if you're working on it,

463
00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:15,916
it's better and you'll think,
Oh, whoa, I just used that word.

464
00:22:15,916 --> 00:22:17,711
I could understand them
even when the fan

465
00:22:17,711 --> 00:22:21,339
was on above them and
and it was kind of hard. So.

466
00:22:21,339 --> 00:22:23,592
Yeah, that's the
that side of things, I think

467
00:22:23,592 --> 00:22:26,970
like exercise and, and language
that's so difficult,

468
00:22:26,970 --> 00:22:29,096
especially initially
because you want those returns,

469
00:22:29,096 --> 00:22:31,223
you want those improvements
and you may not necessarily

470
00:22:31,223 --> 00:22:34,269
see them on notice them,
but they are taking place

471
00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:35,936
because I remember, yeah,
when I was first learning

472
00:22:35,936 --> 00:22:38,105
Portuguese, I'm like, Oh my God,
this is just

473
00:22:38,105 --> 00:22:40,067
never going to happen.
The same for me. So for me

474
00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:42,318
with Spanish, yeah. And then you
get to a point

475
00:22:42,318 --> 00:22:44,820
where you look back
and you're like, Whoa, shit.

476
00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:47,199
Kind of made it, you know, like,
I'm me again. Not perfect,

477
00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,241
not a native speaker or anything,
but can get by

478
00:22:49,241 --> 00:22:52,537
and communicate. Yeah.
And I think. That probably came

479
00:22:52,537 --> 00:22:57,625
with a lot of
language learning is the it is

480
00:22:57,625 --> 00:22:59,920
very much you
you kind of need to learn

481
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,381
some of the grammar. You know
you kind of need to learn

482
00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:05,925
these things on a personal
most by and large

483
00:23:05,925 --> 00:23:08,720
I think it has to be
you focusing on it

484
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,972
specifically and it's not in that
group environment.

485
00:23:11,972 --> 00:23:15,434
There's probably the thing I did
most wrong and why I'm

486
00:23:15,434 --> 00:23:17,479
learning Spanish
is I'd say arguably

487
00:23:17,479 --> 00:23:20,481
the hardest thing I've ever done.
Because I tried a.

488
00:23:20,481 --> 00:23:24,193
Couple of times over the years.
I tried it in like this

489
00:23:24,193 --> 00:23:26,613
big break that I had from
uni before I started work.

490
00:23:26,613 --> 00:23:29,490
I started, you know,
when I was at work

491
00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:32,952
in the mining industry before
I went to Latin America.

492
00:23:32,952 --> 00:23:35,830
And every single time
I kind of started and stopped.

493
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:38,375
And it was because I was just
doing it at home. And so

494
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:41,377
even if I was getting some words,
you know, I didn't get any

495
00:23:41,377 --> 00:23:44,131
feedback from other people.
And that was probably

496
00:23:44,131 --> 00:23:48,718
the thing I, I needed to fix.
I should have done that

497
00:23:48,718 --> 00:23:51,430
by doing more online things with
I talk, you know,

498
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:55,474
what a link or PI whatever those
services are or.

499
00:23:55,474 --> 00:23:56,684
What getting out.
And it's actually.

500
00:23:56,684 --> 00:23:57,644
It's sort of like
going to the gym

501
00:23:57,644 --> 00:23:59,645
and getting fit right
and then not

502
00:23:59,645 --> 00:24:03,650
utilising the fitness that you're
actually obtaining to do

503
00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:05,986
something productive
or something that

504
00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:09,573
you can actually objectively kind
of measure, right?

505
00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:12,992
Like if you were to be
running around in the gym

506
00:24:12,992 --> 00:24:14,536
all the time on a treadmill,
but you never

507
00:24:14,536 --> 00:24:16,746
actually go out there
and run in the real world or race

508
00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:18,914
someone or, you know,
do something where you can

509
00:24:18,914 --> 00:24:21,250
actually appreciate
how far you've come and

510
00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:23,377
or have an interaction
with other human beings

511
00:24:23,377 --> 00:24:27,214
whilst doing that. That task
or that that hobby,

512
00:24:27,214 --> 00:24:28,799
that interest that you're
trying to get better at,

513
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,886
it's kind of like, yeah, it's
going to be so much harder

514
00:24:31,886 --> 00:24:34,096
to motivate yourself.
Same with playing music, right?

515
00:24:34,096 --> 00:24:37,808
I started getting lessons
for guitar from my wife's work

516
00:24:37,808 --> 00:24:41,855
and I. I it's easy to.
Just be a bedroom

517
00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:44,106
kind of guitarist or musician
of any kind, right?

518
00:24:44,106 --> 00:24:45,692
Where you just play
on your own by yourself

519
00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:46,859
and, you know, like
just keep to myself.

520
00:24:46,859 --> 00:24:49,904
But the social aspect of it
is so much more motivating

521
00:24:49,904 --> 00:24:51,530
when you even if you just go
to a lesson

522
00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:54,910
and you're interacting
with another guitarist

523
00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:57,578
and being able to play something
and they play along with you,

524
00:24:57,578 --> 00:24:59,873
having that kind of conversation
effectively, if you were to

525
00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:02,541
think about it in language
learning terms, it's like that,

526
00:25:02,541 --> 00:25:04,419
you know, getting together
with other people is really,

527
00:25:04,419 --> 00:25:07,213
at the end of the day,
what it's all about in most,

528
00:25:07,213 --> 00:25:09,965
if not all, hobbies, right?
And sharing even.

529
00:25:09,965 --> 00:25:11,343
Yeah, it's funny,
most of my lessons,

530
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:14,261
I would imagine we talk
more than we play. Yeah.

531
00:25:14,261 --> 00:25:17,473
And it's just discussing
stuff, sharing experiences,

532
00:25:17,473 --> 00:25:20,644
talking about songs.
I have this issue. What do you do

533
00:25:20,644 --> 00:25:23,563
to solve this?
And that is the real

534
00:25:23,563 --> 00:25:25,356
sort of wholesome thing
that motivates me

535
00:25:25,356 --> 00:25:27,192
and keeps me on track
and everything. And it's the same

536
00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:30,069
with languages,
you know, if you can.

537
00:25:30,069 --> 00:25:31,988
There's something
about learning a language

538
00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:33,906
and being able to read a book or
listen to a podcast

539
00:25:33,906 --> 00:25:37,117
and understand it, you know, do
the passive side of things

540
00:25:37,117 --> 00:25:41,373
and you can go really far
with that. But at the end

541
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:42,832
of the day, you know
what's kind of the point?

542
00:25:42,832 --> 00:25:44,000
If you're not
ever going to use it

543
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,586
with someone else and interact
with a culture or a person

544
00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:50,131
or a group of people and yeah,
get to get to share

545
00:25:50,131 --> 00:25:52,092
your personality,
be active in that,

546
00:25:52,092 --> 00:25:56,721
that, that thing. Right.
So I understand that

547
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:59,516
it was the same with Portuguese
I think too with languages

548
00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,934
in particular,
People underestimate

549
00:26:01,934 --> 00:26:05,771
how hard it is and how
how big it is into I think

550
00:26:05,771 --> 00:26:07,273
as you say, it's probably the
hardest thing

551
00:26:07,273 --> 00:26:10,317
anyone will ever do. Learning a
second language like full stop.

552
00:26:10,317 --> 00:26:14,655
Yeah, yeah. It's like. It.
And anyone who doesn't

553
00:26:14,655 --> 00:26:19,661
doesn't get that. Here you are
probably a monolingual person

554
00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:23,832
who really has no appreciation
for how much you know

555
00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:27,586
in your own language, but just
completely unaware

556
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:31,298
of how advanced you are,
you know, in that one language.

557
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:34,509
So yeah, it is definitely a
humbling experience

558
00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:35,468
learning a language.
But like when

559
00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:37,304
I was learning French,
I think we've

560
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:39,763
talked about it before. Prior
to starting my business

561
00:26:39,763 --> 00:26:43,351
of the English, I was
it was a similar sort of thing

562
00:26:43,351 --> 00:26:45,854
with the guitar thing
where initially I was like,

563
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:47,814
Oh, this would be cool
to sort of get Duolingo

564
00:26:47,814 --> 00:26:50,107
and do one of these apps
and see what my French is

565
00:26:50,107 --> 00:26:53,028
like after ten years
of not doing it at high school.

566
00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:55,654
And I finished Duolingo
in about two months,

567
00:26:55,654 --> 00:26:58,991
like the tree of exercises
and everything.

568
00:26:58,991 --> 00:27:02,746
And then I was like, okay,
so I've noticed

569
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:05,164
a slight improvement,
but if I really want to get good,

570
00:27:05,164 --> 00:27:08,542
I can get good fast,
but I'm going to have to go hard

571
00:27:08,542 --> 00:27:10,628
and I won't have to do
as much as possible.

572
00:27:10,628 --> 00:27:13,423
And it was that
combination of obsessive

573
00:27:13,423 --> 00:27:17,885
personality that I kind of have
and interest in hard work

574
00:27:17,885 --> 00:27:20,971
that I was just studying
it like 4 to 8 hours a day. Yeah.

575
00:27:20,971 --> 00:27:23,642
You know, just going berserk
with how many podcasts

576
00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,434
can I listen to?
How many people can

577
00:27:25,434 --> 00:27:29,064
I talk to online? How many books
can I be reading? And like every

578
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:32,025
spare minute, it was just French,
French, French, French, French.

579
00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:34,234
And within six months
I was fluent like in terms

580
00:27:34,234 --> 00:27:36,278
of basic fluency, being able
to hold a conversation

581
00:27:36,278 --> 00:27:37,614
with someone who didn't
speak English.

582
00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:40,575
And it clicked with me
when I would go to French meetups

583
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,118
and I remember
clicking me with me when

584
00:27:43,118 --> 00:27:45,788
I met someone there who had just
arrived in Australia

585
00:27:45,788 --> 00:27:49,000
and spoke zero English
and I was having a conversation

586
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,795
with them and able to converse
with this person.

587
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:54,547
And it was funny
because prior to that any person

588
00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:56,758
I'd spoken to in French
almost always spoke

589
00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:59,259
English better than me
in terms of French, right?

590
00:27:59,259 --> 00:28:00,929
Like their English was better
than my French.

591
00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:02,806
So there was always
that kind of crutch

592
00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:05,517
in the background of
if any issues happen,

593
00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:07,143
if I can't understand them,
I can always

594
00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:09,895
just go back to English
and we'll be able to sort of

595
00:28:09,895 --> 00:28:12,941
get over those hurdles
and then keep going in French.

596
00:28:12,941 --> 00:28:14,776
But the first time
I had a conversation

597
00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:17,194
with someone where those
there were no crutches,

598
00:28:17,194 --> 00:28:20,865
there was nothing to lean on,
I was like, fuck, you know,

599
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:24,243
like, okay, so this can be done.
It just requires a significant

600
00:28:24,243 --> 00:28:27,329
amount of work and
yeah, you know,

601
00:28:27,329 --> 00:28:28,748
that was a really eye
opening experience.

602
00:28:28,748 --> 00:28:29,582
I'm sure it would
have been like you

603
00:28:29,582 --> 00:28:31,417
with Spanish, right?
When you went to South America

604
00:28:31,417 --> 00:28:32,544
and were travelling around,
you would have met

605
00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,837
loads of people that wouldn't
have spoken English

606
00:28:34,837 --> 00:28:36,506
and you would have had
those sorts of experiences.

607
00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:39,800
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I guess
the thing with that was you're

608
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,345
travellers, so it's, it's
kind of expected

609
00:28:42,345 --> 00:28:45,807
and you can kind of
just almost run away

610
00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:50,019
from situation. You know. I know,
I know you're booked.

611
00:28:50,019 --> 00:28:53,647
Into a hostel and they only speak
Spanish at the front desk

612
00:28:53,647 --> 00:28:57,192
and you could just leave.
You didn't have to speak to them,

613
00:28:57,192 --> 00:29:00,404
you know. But, but yeah,
it was that, that was the thing

614
00:29:00,404 --> 00:29:03,657
that actually really
kickstarted it for me. And yeah,

615
00:29:03,657 --> 00:29:06,911
I'm having this kind of like
I wouldn't call it dilemma,

616
00:29:06,911 --> 00:29:08,829
I suppose
strategy wise, I need to

617
00:29:08,829 --> 00:29:13,292
sort of think
over this next year. So I,

618
00:29:13,292 --> 00:29:17,963
I'm roughly planning on
travelling in April and I kind of

619
00:29:17,963 --> 00:29:19,632
want to go to Brazil
for a couple of months

620
00:29:19,632 --> 00:29:22,551
and then perhaps
be ending my trip in Portugal.

621
00:29:22,551 --> 00:29:25,387
So it's kind of worth
learning some Portuguese

622
00:29:25,387 --> 00:29:30,101
at the very least,
some, some basic level. And

623
00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:33,980
but I also want to go to Germany
and some of those countries,

624
00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:37,107
Austria, Liechtenstein, maybe.
Did you been learning

625
00:29:37,107 --> 00:29:41,445
German, right? All correct.
So I'm at this kind of point

626
00:29:41,445 --> 00:29:44,449
where it's like, all right,
I'm at this phase where I'm

627
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,742
I'm trying to learn, I guess,
like two languages

628
00:29:46,742 --> 00:29:50,413
at the same time.
And I know there's

629
00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,582
some techniques,
some people have some

630
00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:56,461
suggestions on. You separate
it based on days and, you know,

631
00:29:56,461 --> 00:29:58,505
some days of the week
just through German only

632
00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:01,715
or some days through Portuguese.
But I don't know. I've heard.

633
00:30:01,715 --> 00:30:03,425
And then, you know, it'd be great
to like kind of

634
00:30:03,425 --> 00:30:07,430
just keep my Spanish at
an okay level as well.

635
00:30:07,513 --> 00:30:08,597
Well, I think you.
Get to work out

636
00:30:08,597 --> 00:30:11,308
what's important. Yeah.
And then also what works. Yeah,

637
00:30:11,308 --> 00:30:13,102
because there's
so many of those sorts

638
00:30:13,102 --> 00:30:16,940
of like polyglot
giving advice online and yeah,

639
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:20,234
it's almost always, look,
this is just one way of doing

640
00:30:20,234 --> 00:30:24,823
Yeah, yeah. It's works for them
and therefore you know you

641
00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:27,534
a lot of them to sort of
build themselves up like gurus.

642
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:28,867
I got a bit of a chip
on my shoulder

643
00:30:28,867 --> 00:30:30,494
when it comes to online.
Politics,

644
00:30:30,494 --> 00:30:33,914
but I'm glad because we, I think
we've got the same vibe

645
00:30:33,914 --> 00:30:36,667
from them because I've. Yeah.
Well they're always

646
00:30:36,667 --> 00:30:40,880
selling something. And the, the
annoying thing with Polyglot

647
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:47,804
is that in order to maintain
their position in the community

648
00:30:47,804 --> 00:30:52,224
as the kind of leader in terms of
learning languages,

649
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:56,395
they inherently need to be seen
as really, really good

650
00:30:56,395 --> 00:30:57,855
in all the languages
they're learning.

651
00:30:57,855 --> 00:30:59,898
And so quite often
to show it off, there are some

652
00:30:59,898 --> 00:31:02,943
that are relatively transparent
with their actual levels,

653
00:31:02,943 --> 00:31:05,864
but when you start
learning a language,

654
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,615
it is so easy to see someone else
learning the language

655
00:31:08,615 --> 00:31:11,411
just slightly in front of you
and think that they are

656
00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:13,121
about as good
as a native speaker.

657
00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:16,915
Like you have no real
concept of the distance

658
00:31:16,915 --> 00:31:21,421
between them and a master
of that language. Native Speaker

659
00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:25,215
of that language,
you have no real concept

660
00:31:25,215 --> 00:31:28,845
and so you put them way closer
to the native speaker

661
00:31:28,845 --> 00:31:30,971
than they deserve to.
But it was the same with jujitsu,

662
00:31:30,971 --> 00:31:32,640
when I'm probably
the same with guitar.

663
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,017
It's that kind of
ignorance, right?

664
00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:37,269
When you stop picking up
any kind of hobby or interest,

665
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:38,770
it's very hard for you
to kind of work out

666
00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:41,023
who are the real
savants and freaks

667
00:31:41,023 --> 00:31:43,483
and the ones that I need
to be interacting

668
00:31:43,483 --> 00:31:46,445
with and and giving due
respect to in terms

669
00:31:46,445 --> 00:31:49,115
of their abilities
and the ones who are okay

670
00:31:49,115 --> 00:31:52,117
and doing well.
But are nowhere near the level of

671
00:31:52,117 --> 00:31:55,246
of those people. And I think
the annoying thing with polyglot

672
00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:59,041
I at least when I was really deep
in the language learning sphere,

673
00:31:59,041 --> 00:32:01,169
was just that they would always
position themselves

674
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:04,047
as effectively native level
in every language

675
00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:06,214
that they were learning.
And you would just be like

676
00:32:06,214 --> 00:32:10,303
the more mature you get in
that kind of like realm,

677
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:13,181
the more you realise that
there's just no, no, no chance.

678
00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:14,848
It's just impossible.
It's impossible

679
00:32:14,848 --> 00:32:18,728
to be native level in,
I would say, more than a handful

680
00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:22,397
of languages, right? And in order
to be native level in a handful

681
00:32:22,397 --> 00:32:24,358
of languages,
you would have to be

682
00:32:24,358 --> 00:32:26,736
spending hours
and hours and hours

683
00:32:26,736 --> 00:32:28,528
every single day
if you hadn't grown up

684
00:32:28,528 --> 00:32:30,239
learning those languages.
Doing that

685
00:32:30,239 --> 00:32:32,157
already, correct? Yeah.
So those people

686
00:32:32,157 --> 00:32:34,285
who are like, Yeah,
I speak ten languages,

687
00:32:34,285 --> 00:32:36,913
you're kind of like,
that's bullshit. I mean,

688
00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:39,248
within reason, right? Like,
I'm sure you probably have one

689
00:32:39,248 --> 00:32:42,751
or two that you're
absolutely amazing at,

690
00:32:42,835 --> 00:32:44,628
including your native language
on top of that.

691
00:32:44,628 --> 00:32:47,589
But the others will be
all sort of that. It's a parade

692
00:32:47,589 --> 00:32:52,679
of principle, right, of the 20%
is your your accounts

693
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,972
for 80% of the results
and then the rest

694
00:32:54,972 --> 00:32:58,476
is all trickling off down that
that reverse exponential curve.

695
00:32:58,476 --> 00:33:00,811
And so yeah, I think
if you would actually

696
00:33:00,811 --> 00:33:03,564
objectively test polyglot
and that's the other thing

697
00:33:03,564 --> 00:33:08,111
they never have their language
is really tested. It's just

698
00:33:08,111 --> 00:33:10,028
I'm learning this language
and now I'm fluent

699
00:33:10,028 --> 00:33:12,155
and you're like
based on what criteria

700
00:33:12,155 --> 00:33:14,616
like did you
how did you measure this?

701
00:33:14,616 --> 00:33:17,744
Did you just determine
that you were what is fluency?

702
00:33:17,744 --> 00:33:20,080
Is that the ability to just say
a few sentences

703
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,790
and have a conversation,
or is that the ability

704
00:33:21,790 --> 00:33:24,794
to complete a PhD
in that language? Yeah.

705
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:29,173
So very careful
with the fluent word. I never,

706
00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:30,967
never want to claim
I'm fluent in Spanish

707
00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:33,469
because I just know
how far away that is.

708
00:33:33,469 --> 00:33:37,765
But that's probably
when you know you are. Yeah.

709
00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:40,476
Definitely not. It's funny
that because you can have

710
00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:44,021
these various levels where
that one for example,

711
00:33:44,021 --> 00:33:47,983
my co-host, he's
Colombian, is born in Colombia,

712
00:33:47,983 --> 00:33:49,943
grew and raised there
until he was nine years old.

713
00:33:49,943 --> 00:33:52,571
Then he came to Australia.
Horrible Spanish

714
00:33:52,571 --> 00:33:58,786
is it's it's well. It's horrible
for some reasons. But it's.

715
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:00,454
It's it's really funny
because I probably know

716
00:34:00,454 --> 00:34:02,539
more words than him
because I've spent time

717
00:34:02,539 --> 00:34:04,875
just learning
all these various things,

718
00:34:04,875 --> 00:34:07,753
going down rabbit holes and,
you know, he's just never

719
00:34:07,753 --> 00:34:11,257
needed to. But he speaks it
more fluently

720
00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:13,050
than I do, for sure.
So I still have to

721
00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:15,969
think about some things.
I still don't use

722
00:34:15,969 --> 00:34:18,347
the reflexive verbs
in the correct way,

723
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:21,476
and subjunctive is always
a little bit of a well, for me.

724
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,436
That's the
difficult thing, right,

725
00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:25,646
about language
learning and fluency,

726
00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:29,483
proficiency, native level.
Like there are objective ways

727
00:34:29,483 --> 00:34:32,152
of measuring these
sorts of things, but

728
00:34:32,235 --> 00:34:35,530
at the end of the day,
you just have to be able

729
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:37,032
to decide
what you want to achieve,

730
00:34:37,032 --> 00:34:38,867
what you're aiming for,
and are you able to do it right?

731
00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:40,494
Like if you can have a
if you can hold

732
00:34:40,494 --> 00:34:43,664
a conversation about, you know,
the average topic

733
00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:46,918
in that language, then with
someone who doesn't

734
00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:49,170
speak English, you know, is
that fluency should be,

735
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:51,880
you know, if you can
communicate effectively

736
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,590
and clearly whether or not
you're making mistakes

737
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:55,425
isn't the point. You know,
you don't have to be perfect.

738
00:34:55,425 --> 00:34:58,721
There's no once you stop making
any mistakes, you are fluent.

739
00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,681
It's like English speakers make
English mistakes all the time.

740
00:35:01,681 --> 00:35:08,523
I make them on a daily basis, but
yeah, the thing

741
00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:09,981
that I've noticed,
at least with Portuguese,

742
00:35:09,981 --> 00:35:11,400
like I would say,
I'm I'm very, very

743
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,695
fluent in terms of
conversational stuff at home,

744
00:35:15,695 --> 00:35:17,907
you know, Do you want to go
to the toilet talking to my son?

745
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:19,784
Do you want to go out to lunch?
Are you hungry? Do you want to

746
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:20,742
go to sleep?
What do you want to do?

747
00:35:20,742 --> 00:35:24,956
Like all of that, I would
guess again, I'd probably

748
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:28,835
be effectively narrative level
at those conversations

749
00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:33,172
because I have them every day,
ten times a day,

750
00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:36,259
and it's been like that
for the last six years and it's

751
00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:39,971
just like repetition, repetition.
But as soon as you want to ask me

752
00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:42,722
about politics or physics
or some other topic

753
00:35:42,722 --> 00:35:45,101
that I never talk about
because my wife doesn't

754
00:35:45,101 --> 00:35:48,396
talk about that stuff with me,
my fluency drops to zero.

755
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:52,190
And so it is this kind of
if you were to take

756
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:55,485
all of Portuguese, I would
consider myself again

757
00:35:55,485 --> 00:35:57,320
without measuring it
very, very, very,

758
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,324
very good at a very, very small
amount of like a very,

759
00:36:01,324 --> 00:36:04,327
very tiny circle
in the centre of all

760
00:36:04,327 --> 00:36:09,125
that is Portuguese, you know, is
what I can handle. And then yeah,

761
00:36:09,125 --> 00:36:10,543
when you think
about a native level,

762
00:36:10,543 --> 00:36:13,628
native level there, their circle
is much larger. You know,

763
00:36:13,628 --> 00:36:18,050
probably exponentially
bigger than mine. So and it will

764
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:21,596
the, the areas will be different
that they cover as well.

765
00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:24,431
With my PhD, I remember doing my,
my doctorate in biology

766
00:36:24,431 --> 00:36:28,728
and I'm like I'm, it took a while
to become fluent in that language

767
00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:30,396
because I had to learn
all of these words

768
00:36:30,396 --> 00:36:34,108
and topics and, and concepts and,
and how to communicate

769
00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:38,362
those ideas with other scientists
using really advanced

770
00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:42,157
kind of language, very specific
to that area, and then trying

771
00:36:42,157 --> 00:36:44,076
to also have conversations
about what I was doing

772
00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:46,077
with people who didn't
have that background.

773
00:36:46,077 --> 00:36:50,208
And you would say, oh, they these
native speakers in this language

774
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:53,543
aren't fluent in what
I want to talk about

775
00:36:53,543 --> 00:36:55,795
because they don't
know the vocab,

776
00:36:55,795 --> 00:36:57,757
but they also don't know
the concepts. They have

777
00:36:57,757 --> 00:37:01,719
no understanding
of what that thing is. And so it

778
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,262
was really interesting
when you have those types of,

779
00:37:04,262 --> 00:37:08,601
you know, tell me about your PhD
and you would be like

780
00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:11,144
having that like that
meme of seeing maps

781
00:37:11,144 --> 00:37:15,315
in front of your eyes
of what level do I have to, to

782
00:37:15,315 --> 00:37:17,693
I don't want to say
dumb this down, but like,

783
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:19,402
how do I communicate
these things to someone

784
00:37:19,402 --> 00:37:22,364
who probably has zero
awareness of any, of this?

785
00:37:22,364 --> 00:37:24,824
Because I have to not only
communicate effectively

786
00:37:24,824 --> 00:37:28,079
so that they understand it,
but also teach them

787
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,289
the concepts as I go.
And so that was

788
00:37:31,289 --> 00:37:32,708
one of those moments,
and I would have

789
00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:34,251
those experiences
on a daily basis

790
00:37:34,251 --> 00:37:35,835
with other people
who are doing PhDs

791
00:37:35,835 --> 00:37:38,213
or studying or doctors
or whatever in other areas

792
00:37:38,213 --> 00:37:39,840
where I would be
just a complete noob

793
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,385
because I was, you know, again,
whenever you study anything,

794
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:43,969
you get very good at that
very small thing

795
00:37:43,969 --> 00:37:45,637
and everything else.
You just have no idea.

796
00:37:45,637 --> 00:37:48,766
So I would be talking to say
palaeontologists about,

797
00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:50,226
you know, fossils
and that would be like

798
00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:52,061
those two words are
pretty much my vocab

799
00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:54,313
when it comes to,
you know, dinosaurs or whatever.

800
00:37:54,313 --> 00:37:55,481
I would be like, yeah,
I don't know

801
00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:57,692
any of the other things
that you just said to me.

802
00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,818
So it was funny
just paying attention

803
00:37:59,818 --> 00:38:03,780
to lack of fluency in terms
of your native language

804
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:06,992
in certain areas. And then yeah,
when you sort of

805
00:38:06,992 --> 00:38:10,871
have that awareness, when
learning a foreign language,

806
00:38:10,954 --> 00:38:13,498
I write, it puts things in
perspective a little bit more

807
00:38:13,498 --> 00:38:14,791
and you just have to work out
what do you want

808
00:38:14,791 --> 00:38:16,085
to be good at, You know,
if you want to be able

809
00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:17,920
to travel around,
you don't need to be able

810
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,755
to talk about physics.
You just need to be very good

811
00:38:19,755 --> 00:38:22,967
at a few small things.
And the basic grammar.

812
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:25,594
Was the viewpoint
describing landscapes.

813
00:38:25,594 --> 00:38:27,262
Yeah, that's
exactly the same with me.

814
00:38:27,262 --> 00:38:31,891
If you want to talk about travel
or my trip in particular, yeah,

815
00:38:31,891 --> 00:38:36,938
I can nail that down. Exactly.
But in the gym, this girl,

816
00:38:36,938 --> 00:38:42,068
this Colombian girl, she had a
a cast on her foot and,

817
00:38:42,193 --> 00:38:44,612
you know, asking and I
started to talk about it

818
00:38:44,612 --> 00:38:46,865
and I just went, Oh, crap.
You know, this is like, you know.

819
00:38:46,865 --> 00:38:50,077
I don't have the work at it at.
That cost. I didn't know

820
00:38:50,077 --> 00:38:54,789
how to ask her about her.
The things that you put on

821
00:38:54,789 --> 00:38:57,043
cross crutches
didn't know how to say crutches.

822
00:38:57,043 --> 00:38:59,253
Oh, I see all these words.
I'm just thinking now,

823
00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:00,670
what's the Portuguese
equivalent? I would know.

824
00:39:00,670 --> 00:39:02,922
Yeah, but the funny thing
is, and again, this is where

825
00:39:02,922 --> 00:39:05,050
fluency comes in.
You don't have to know the words

826
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:07,719
for those sorts of things to be,
quote unquote fluent or have a

827
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,389
fluent conversation with someone.
You just need to be able navigate

828
00:39:10,389 --> 00:39:12,641
those those halls. Right.
And that, again,

829
00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:14,851
was that sort of light
bulb moment with French, I think,

830
00:39:14,851 --> 00:39:18,481
when I could work. Out how do I.
Like, get around

831
00:39:18,481 --> 00:39:21,025
not knowing the vocab for that
you would just say the thing

832
00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:22,902
that's on your leg, you know, Oh,
what happened?

833
00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:25,237
Did you hurt your leg?
What's that thing called again?

834
00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:27,447
And then they tell you
and you'll be like, Oh, Costa.

835
00:39:27,447 --> 00:39:30,326
Okay, so why are you why have you
got a cast on when's the case

836
00:39:30,326 --> 00:39:32,202
coming up? So you can have
those interactions

837
00:39:32,202 --> 00:39:34,038
on a regular basis.
And I still do that with my wife

838
00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:36,873
all the time where I pretty much
just always be saying,

839
00:39:36,873 --> 00:39:38,876
okay, as a Kois,
what's this thing again like?

840
00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:40,293
Whoa, pull it
our usage, you know,

841
00:39:40,293 --> 00:39:42,338
what's the word for this?
Again, I can't remember.

842
00:39:42,338 --> 00:39:45,090
And if the layman
who didn't speak

843
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:47,009
Portuguese to be like,
Damn, is Portuguese really good?

844
00:39:47,009 --> 00:39:49,094
And the whole time I'm just like,
What's this? How do you say this?

845
00:39:49,094 --> 00:39:52,597
What is that again?
What does this mean? Does this?

846
00:39:52,597 --> 00:39:54,724
And I would ask you
about the Portuguese,

847
00:39:54,724 --> 00:39:57,853
but another funny little story,
and you'll enjoy this

848
00:39:57,853 --> 00:39:59,980
because it's like going down
a rabbit hole.

849
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:02,148
I was looking at the kind
of like Scrabble

850
00:40:02,148 --> 00:40:03,692
World championships
and I found this

851
00:40:03,692 --> 00:40:07,655
Scrabble YouTube channel
and it was. That'd be a rabbit.

852
00:40:07,655 --> 00:40:10,074
Oh, yeah, I was.
Dude, it's so cool. And it's

853
00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:12,451
this guy was kind
of presenting the his, you know,

854
00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:16,121
parts of the history of Scrabble,
of tournament of it's kind of

855
00:40:16,121 --> 00:40:19,333
how those those chess channels
where it's they'll discuss

856
00:40:19,333 --> 00:40:21,960
like most famous games
or they'll have all these

857
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,297
really cool titles of, you know,
the Battle of the

858
00:40:25,297 --> 00:40:27,298
Tigers or something.
And it's just it's

859
00:40:27,298 --> 00:40:31,512
just another chess game
to do with Tigers. But yeah,

860
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:34,722
this guy had this there's
this one guy in the the U.S.

861
00:40:34,722 --> 00:40:38,226
forgotten his name who was just
basically kind of the

862
00:40:38,226 --> 00:40:42,815
savant level of of of Scrabble,
you know, and it's

863
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:44,942
the Scrabble rolls
when you actually

864
00:40:44,942 --> 00:40:46,610
play competitively.
They've got all these

865
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:49,155
different things
where you can challenge

866
00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:52,574
people based on certain words.
And, you know, you have to use

867
00:40:52,574 --> 00:40:54,827
this dictionary,
but not this dictionary.

868
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:58,246
And you're trying to get
a bingo on it and stuff

869
00:40:58,246 --> 00:41:00,373
and this dude.
So that would drive me nuts.

870
00:41:00,373 --> 00:41:02,835
I think. We're just having.
The whole those

871
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:05,713
so sort of rules of like,
does this word count?

872
00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:07,965
And you're like, well,
if you've just said it's a word,

873
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:09,925
you know, at least from my basic
understanding

874
00:41:09,925 --> 00:41:11,177
of Scrabble, I'd be like,
all words are on

875
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:13,721
the fucking table. Yeah, well,
we're doing a Portuguese.

876
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,514
And English, baby. Yeah, well.
That's that's

877
00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:18,934
kind of what they do. You can.
Put. A word that's not an actual

878
00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:22,103
word on the game board.
If they don't challenge it,

879
00:41:22,103 --> 00:41:27,400
then it remains so. Oh, wow.
Okay. So you can bluff. You can.

880
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,195
Sort of said, but yeah. Wow.
And what happens

881
00:41:30,195 --> 00:41:32,114
if you do challenge? It is there
and you get it wrong

882
00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:34,157
and it is a word
you get in trouble because there

883
00:41:34,157 --> 00:41:36,409
is a negative incentive.
You get a punishment. Yeah.

884
00:41:36,409 --> 00:41:40,039
So it's it's, it's got.
This like. Game dynamics.

885
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,500
And this guy. I had no idea
you could bluff in Scrabble.

886
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,501
Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah.
It's, it's a it's

887
00:41:44,501 --> 00:41:46,461
a fascinating game.
And there was this Yeah,

888
00:41:46,461 --> 00:41:50,382
that was this game that these
two guys played where they both

889
00:41:50,382 --> 00:41:54,135
had these kind of really shit
letters at the, at the start

890
00:41:54,135 --> 00:41:57,056
and you know, you can pull out
letters from the,

891
00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:00,976
from the board and, and basically
you want to start off

892
00:42:00,976 --> 00:42:03,771
with something strong.
And so this one guy, you know,

893
00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:06,648
put out this words
which was once again

894
00:42:06,648 --> 00:42:10,945
a bluff word or didn't know
the other guy challenged it

895
00:42:10,985 --> 00:42:13,572
and so he had to drag it
back and then

896
00:42:13,572 --> 00:42:15,824
they'll kind of playing this game
of back and forth

897
00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,284
where they were both
trying to bluff or trying

898
00:42:18,284 --> 00:42:22,164
to put these words down.
And it ended up being like one.

899
00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:25,960
Neither of them had the letters
to make anyway. That they.

900
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,545
Did, but they just didn't
want to put it down. And one guy

901
00:42:28,545 --> 00:42:31,297
was definitely
the weaker of the two.

902
00:42:31,297 --> 00:42:34,342
And it got to this really
funny position where

903
00:42:34,342 --> 00:42:38,222
he was basically like, Look,
if no one puts a word down

904
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:43,811
after four turns or something,
the game goes to

905
00:42:43,811 --> 00:42:47,356
whoever has the most kind of
like the least

906
00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:50,067
amount of points on their
on their little deck

907
00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:53,445
on the seven letters.
And so he was like,

908
00:42:53,445 --> 00:42:56,322
I've got a better chance
of winning by just taking the pot

909
00:42:56,322 --> 00:43:00,494
of having less points
on my board than this

910
00:43:00,494 --> 00:43:04,164
other really good guy has. And so
I'm going to kind of like

911
00:43:04,164 --> 00:43:06,625
intentionally lose its, its eyes
weird positions

912
00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:08,710
where you can have
another one of this

913
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:12,255
was this soccer
game where this team,

914
00:43:12,338 --> 00:43:15,342
because of the rules they
had in this competition,

915
00:43:15,342 --> 00:43:18,469
they basically either
needed to win by two

916
00:43:18,469 --> 00:43:23,976
or go to the golden goal. And so
they were winning the game

917
00:43:23,976 --> 00:43:27,521
and they needed to score
another goal to to be able

918
00:43:27,521 --> 00:43:30,065
to kind of like qualify
for the next round.

919
00:43:30,065 --> 00:43:34,695
But there was only like 5 minutes
left or something. And so

920
00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:38,740
what they did instead
was they scored an own goal

921
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:41,284
in the last minute
to force it to extra time

922
00:43:41,284 --> 00:43:43,329
so that they could
then have the chance to play

923
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:47,123
in the golden goal and win there.
So it's this really like,

924
00:43:47,123 --> 00:43:48,166
you know,
you can have all of these

925
00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:51,711
really interesting dynamics,
but yeah, yeah, get

926
00:43:51,711 --> 00:43:56,175
back to the Scrabble guy.
He learnt French Scrabble,

927
00:43:56,175 --> 00:43:58,385
so he didn't
know any French words,

928
00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:02,347
but this guy was just an amazing
Scrabble player and basically

929
00:44:02,347 --> 00:44:06,226
got the French dictionary
read it all,

930
00:44:06,226 --> 00:44:09,188
went to France and played
and won this French

931
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:12,608
Scrabble championship
without even being able

932
00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:15,943
to speak French. But he just knew
all of the French words.

933
00:44:15,943 --> 00:44:18,697
So I feel like that that.
Task would be

934
00:44:18,697 --> 00:44:21,574
so much harder than.
Actually seven as well.

935
00:44:21,574 --> 00:44:23,952
Yeah, I feel like that task would
be so much harder than actually

936
00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:26,829
learning the language,
just memorising words

937
00:44:26,829 --> 00:44:28,956
that you didn't
have a clue exactly for.

938
00:44:28,956 --> 00:44:31,168
So for the. Coming season
for for this guy.

939
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:33,336
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Have you seen that guy

940
00:44:33,336 --> 00:44:36,255
who goes to Iceland and learns
to speak Icelandic in a week?

941
00:44:36,255 --> 00:44:39,300
Yeah. That's a that's.
Another photographic.

942
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:42,096
Memories. Yeah. Right.
Those people with photographic

943
00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:45,306
memories blow my mind and yeah,
it's one of those things

944
00:44:45,306 --> 00:44:50,521
where you just like, God damn,
I wish, you know, that it was

945
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:52,815
an adaptation
and that was selected

946
00:44:52,815 --> 00:44:56,235
for in humans to be able to
remember things. Exactly.

947
00:44:56,235 --> 00:44:59,737
But that's me saying that
without the ability to do it,

948
00:44:59,737 --> 00:45:01,657
because I can imagine that
if you saw someone die

949
00:45:01,657 --> 00:45:03,534
in front of you and you had a
photographic memory,

950
00:45:03,534 --> 00:45:05,284
that would be probably
pretty unpleasant

951
00:45:05,284 --> 00:45:07,538
to be able to recall that
in vivid detail for the rest

952
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:09,831
of your life. Right. I wonder if
certain things get stuck

953
00:45:09,831 --> 00:45:12,376
in their brains. More so.
I remember I was at the

954
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:14,836
the kind of callisthenics
park here in Brisbane once

955
00:45:14,836 --> 00:45:20,217
and there was this sticker on it
and it and it was kind of like a

956
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:22,094
you know, they always like
to use animal things

957
00:45:22,094 --> 00:45:25,847
for callisthenics stuff.
It's like the ape society,

958
00:45:25,847 --> 00:45:28,349
whatever. It's just,
just drawing monkey

959
00:45:28,349 --> 00:45:32,353
comparisons usually.
And it was something like

960
00:45:32,353 --> 00:45:35,065
Donkey Kong. I can't remember
exactly what it

961
00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:38,110
was, thankfully, but it,
it got stuck in my brain

962
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:43,407
and I could not forget
this one little thing I'd seen.

963
00:45:43,489 --> 00:45:45,951
It was like. A good week, man.
It was just stuck in my brain.

964
00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:48,202
Every time I went to work out,
I was thinking of it.

965
00:45:48,202 --> 00:45:49,704
And so I was just
always wondering, Dad,

966
00:45:49,704 --> 00:45:52,166
do these guys get a similar thing
where they can just

967
00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:53,958
remember everything?
And then this one gets

968
00:45:53,958 --> 00:45:56,503
stuck in my brain again.
There's very little

969
00:45:56,503 --> 00:45:57,963
I know about them,
but I imagine that

970
00:45:57,963 --> 00:46:02,384
they have the ability to remember
certain things more.

971
00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:05,052
What would you say? Recall it
faster, Quicker

972
00:46:05,052 --> 00:46:07,014
than others, right.
Like, I would imagine

973
00:46:07,014 --> 00:46:10,893
it's kind of like a filing system
where they have access

974
00:46:10,893 --> 00:46:12,894
to a lot more files
than the average person

975
00:46:12,894 --> 00:46:15,188
in terms of files being memories,
but they would

976
00:46:15,188 --> 00:46:17,733
still be certain files
that would be like at the front

977
00:46:17,733 --> 00:46:19,693
of the filing cabinet
and other ones

978
00:46:19,693 --> 00:46:21,612
that are at the back
that they have to do some work

979
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:26,365
to be able to dig up. But yeah,
when like I think I saw someone

980
00:46:26,365 --> 00:46:28,034
that was one back there
that could read Harry

981
00:46:28,034 --> 00:46:30,954
Potter from memory and it would
just be like, how the hell,

982
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:34,123
I can't imagine what it's like
to be able to say, okay, Page 271

983
00:46:34,123 --> 00:46:36,918
The 50th word was that,
yeah, you know, and just be able

984
00:46:36,918 --> 00:46:38,795
to picture it. Close your eyes
and picture it in your head

985
00:46:38,795 --> 00:46:41,757
and you just like, like that
amount of detail.

986
00:46:41,757 --> 00:46:45,427
And I think that that's where
that myth of humans only

987
00:46:45,427 --> 00:46:47,971
using 10% of their brains
came from. I think, you know,

988
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:49,722
that idea of there are
people out there

989
00:46:49,722 --> 00:46:51,599
who seem to be able to do
so much more

990
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,103
than the average person
that we're not using

991
00:46:55,103 --> 00:46:56,563
anywhere near
as much as we could be.

992
00:46:56,563 --> 00:47:00,983
But I think part of that in so
brain technology of scanning,

993
00:47:00,983 --> 00:47:03,445
MRI, eyes, eyes
and that sort of thing,

994
00:47:03,445 --> 00:47:07,324
and they'd only see 10% of it
active something. Well,

995
00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:09,159
but I just don't understand
how at the time

996
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,746
you didn't realise that perhaps
whether or not, you know, like

997
00:47:12,746 --> 00:47:14,914
if you were to scan a car
and look for where

998
00:47:14,914 --> 00:47:17,125
the electrical activity
is taking place, it's

999
00:47:17,125 --> 00:47:18,585
kind of like, yeah,
it's around the engine,

1000
00:47:18,585 --> 00:47:20,378
but that doesn't mean
the rest of the car is obsolete

1001
00:47:20,378 --> 00:47:24,632
not being used, right? Like it's
it just has a different purpose

1002
00:47:24,632 --> 00:47:26,885
in terms of the whole thing
being used to do a specific

1003
00:47:26,885 --> 00:47:28,929
that you can't really take away
too much of it before it

1004
00:47:28,929 --> 00:47:32,139
becomes useless. So there's not
much going on in this time.

1005
00:47:32,139 --> 00:47:33,934
We'll just remove that.
It's like, yeah, well now used.

1006
00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:36,644
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So.
But it is funny

1007
00:47:36,644 --> 00:47:38,896
how much people like
the lobotomy stuff.

1008
00:47:38,896 --> 00:47:41,400
Did you ever even look into that
and where that came from?

1009
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,777
Not lobotomies,
but I do know a bit about

1010
00:47:43,777 --> 00:47:48,072
removing of brains and, you know,
half your brain getting destroyed

1011
00:47:48,072 --> 00:47:49,615
or something
and then still being able

1012
00:47:49,615 --> 00:47:52,952
to function not complete.
People with epilepsy where they.

1013
00:47:52,952 --> 00:47:55,539
They slice. Between the two,
they separate the hemispheres.

1014
00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:58,958
Right. Yeah. There's a crazy
I can't I'm, I think

1015
00:47:58,958 --> 00:48:01,253
it's from listening to Sam Harris
a lot of this stuff

1016
00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:03,170
and he talks about it
but I'm pretty sure

1017
00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:04,755
there was one study
where they had people

1018
00:48:04,755 --> 00:48:08,342
who had that situation where the
to hemispheres were separated

1019
00:48:08,342 --> 00:48:12,889
and they could sort of split
the their vision down the middle

1020
00:48:12,889 --> 00:48:14,516
of their head, right.
So that only one eye

1021
00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:17,351
could see one side
and if they were doing

1022
00:48:17,351 --> 00:48:20,021
certain things, the other one
one half of the brain

1023
00:48:20,021 --> 00:48:22,273
wouldn't be aware of it
happening effectively

1024
00:48:22,273 --> 00:48:23,983
because they weren't
able to communicate.

1025
00:48:23,983 --> 00:48:26,737
So they would touch you
or do something on one side

1026
00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:29,322
and you would react on that side,
but the other side wouldn't.

1027
00:48:29,322 --> 00:48:31,742
And I remember just being like,
Oh my God, mind blown it.

1028
00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:34,202
Just the complexity of
of how it all works.

1029
00:48:34,202 --> 00:48:36,204
But also, I imagine,
where's your soul

1030
00:48:36,204 --> 00:48:37,789
at that point, right?
Like if your brain

1031
00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:40,918
has been split down the
middle and you're alive,

1032
00:48:41,001 --> 00:48:45,255
it's like where?
Which if you removed one half,

1033
00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:47,632
are you still there? You know,
And if you can just

1034
00:48:47,632 --> 00:48:51,385
arbitrarily remove either half
and you're still there,

1035
00:48:51,385 --> 00:48:54,681
like what does that mean in terms
of where you reside?

1036
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:57,516
Which which one are you?
It's kind of the same. Yeah.

1037
00:48:57,516 --> 00:49:00,938
I don't know. Thinking about that
sort of stuff is cool, but. I.

1038
00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:02,105
Wonder how much
we'll ever really know

1039
00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:04,358
about that stuff. At it.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

1040
00:49:04,358 --> 00:49:07,068
Some of, some of those things
they, they're like, interesting.

1041
00:49:07,068 --> 00:49:13,367
But consciousness is just such a
slippery, slippery, slimy thing.

1042
00:49:13,367 --> 00:49:15,369
Like, it's hard to really get
a grasp on what

1043
00:49:15,369 --> 00:49:17,579
it would actually is.
Another one.

1044
00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:20,039
I read this book recently
called Swearing Is Good for You

1045
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,751
by Emma Byrne.
And I think I've heard

1046
00:49:22,751 --> 00:49:27,463
it was. It was. It wasn't.
It wasn't the craziest, most mind

1047
00:49:27,463 --> 00:49:30,132
boggling book because it's
kind of like one of those

1048
00:49:30,132 --> 00:49:34,387
popular science kind of books,
which is it's okay, but I think

1049
00:49:34,387 --> 00:49:37,556
probably most of it
will be obsolete in ten, 15 years

1050
00:49:37,556 --> 00:49:40,018
time, to be honest.
But there was this there was this

1051
00:49:40,018 --> 00:49:43,146
funny section where she was
talking about how

1052
00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:45,565
exactly these people with
the well,

1053
00:49:45,565 --> 00:49:49,027
not exactly these people
left brain right by bits is more

1054
00:49:49,027 --> 00:49:50,862
one side had been damaged
so the other side

1055
00:49:50,862 --> 00:49:54,365
was taking over.
And so I think it was the

1056
00:49:54,365 --> 00:49:57,702
the right side is the more
I always switch up the right side

1057
00:49:57,702 --> 00:50:03,500
more kind of creative
expression sort of side.

1058
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,670
And the others, the the more
analytical decision making,

1059
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:10,297
that sort of thing. And she.
Was it. Was really funny

1060
00:50:10,297 --> 00:50:13,385
just saying like someone is more
gets damaged

1061
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:17,222
on the creative side,
they'll they'll start

1062
00:50:17,222 --> 00:50:22,101
to use more swearing as a way of
only kind of analytical side

1063
00:50:22,101 --> 00:50:23,978
of being able to express emotions
because that's what

1064
00:50:23,978 --> 00:50:26,565
a lot of swearing is. It is,
you know, when you hit your

1065
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:30,818
toe against a table,
you don't say cat. It's it's

1066
00:50:30,818 --> 00:50:35,449
usually an expression which is
considered taboo.

1067
00:50:35,449 --> 00:50:37,117
And then she was also
saying, though,

1068
00:50:37,117 --> 00:50:40,871
if someone damaged
that brain on the

1069
00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:46,208
on the left side. So the
what is it, the analytical side,

1070
00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:50,505
the side of being able to
make decision making

1071
00:50:50,505 --> 00:50:53,675
and things like this.
They'll start swearing more

1072
00:50:53,675 --> 00:50:59,931
as a way of communication because
because it was like, yeah,

1073
00:50:59,931 --> 00:51:01,932
it was something
related to swearing is good

1074
00:51:01,932 --> 00:51:06,521
for communication helps. You.
Do these certain things, whatnot.

1075
00:51:06,521 --> 00:51:08,856
So I was basically like, okay,
so if you get brain damage,

1076
00:51:08,856 --> 00:51:11,443
you going to swear more.
Is interesting that you.

1077
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:14,195
Say that because I the whole time
I'm thinking, I remember

1078
00:51:14,195 --> 00:51:16,114
someone talking about
a study with patients

1079
00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:19,659
that had Alzheimer's
and they would get to a point

1080
00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:21,619
where they could
no longer talk properly,

1081
00:51:21,619 --> 00:51:24,081
but they would still swear in
certain situations

1082
00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:26,166
like hitting their leg
or something. They'd turn around

1083
00:51:26,166 --> 00:51:29,168
and be like, fuck,
you know, and but.

1084
00:51:29,168 --> 00:51:32,755
But you would not be able
to get a proper, you know,

1085
00:51:32,755 --> 00:51:35,217
series of sentences
out of them normally.

1086
00:51:35,217 --> 00:51:38,594
And yet that would be
one of the last things to go

1087
00:51:38,677 --> 00:51:42,849
in terms of the verbal use
that they have. And it's it was

1088
00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:44,893
I think it was explained
like it was housed

1089
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:47,896
in a different part of the brain
where, yeah,

1090
00:51:47,896 --> 00:51:52,567
those emotional reactions
to things elicit certain words

1091
00:51:52,567 --> 00:51:55,695
to come out of you
that don't, that that may

1092
00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:58,155
potentially bypass, you know,
the part of your brain

1093
00:51:58,155 --> 00:51:59,657
that is the
sort of linguistic area

1094
00:51:59,657 --> 00:52:01,659
where it's you thinking
about grammar and putting

1095
00:52:01,659 --> 00:52:02,869
together a sentence
and everything.

1096
00:52:02,869 --> 00:52:06,164
Those reactions are shit.
Yeah, fuck. And so yeah,

1097
00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:08,041
they were talking about
how like a lot of Alzheimer's

1098
00:52:08,041 --> 00:52:10,335
patients would get to the point
of not being able to talk or have

1099
00:52:10,335 --> 00:52:12,795
conversations anymore,
but they would still swear

1100
00:52:12,795 --> 00:52:15,923
because they would, you know,
have situations on a daily basis

1101
00:52:15,923 --> 00:52:17,467
where they would
be frustrated or angry

1102
00:52:17,467 --> 00:52:19,344
or in pain or something,
and they would

1103
00:52:19,344 --> 00:52:21,262
that would come out.
And I found that

1104
00:52:21,262 --> 00:52:25,057
kind of amusing, that.
That that that's. Sort of like

1105
00:52:25,057 --> 00:52:26,976
the last thing to go in
terms of language

1106
00:52:26,976 --> 00:52:30,313
is going to be this way.
It was exactly. They're so deep,

1107
00:52:30,396 --> 00:52:32,690
just like. With mind, I guess
they just have so.

1108
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:36,193
Many uses, right? Yeah.
You're not going to say car,

1109
00:52:36,193 --> 00:52:37,903
you're not going to attach
a lot of these other words

1110
00:52:37,903 --> 00:52:42,032
to emotional responses
the same way that you would

1111
00:52:42,032 --> 00:52:43,326
with swearing,
because it can be used

1112
00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:45,911
for so many different things,
you know, being upset,

1113
00:52:45,911 --> 00:52:50,666
being angry, being happy.
You know, you can just emphasise

1114
00:52:50,666 --> 00:52:54,211
that emotion by swearing
and then yeah, so it

1115
00:52:54,211 --> 00:52:56,255
would be interesting to study
that across different languages

1116
00:52:56,255 --> 00:52:58,048
and how that takes place though,
especially if you were to

1117
00:52:58,048 --> 00:53:00,177
do something
like Alzheimer's patients

1118
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:03,096
in languages like Japanese.
Again, I have very limited

1119
00:53:03,096 --> 00:53:04,889
understanding of Japanese,
but one of the things

1120
00:53:04,889 --> 00:53:07,141
I often hear is that doesn't have
swearing the same way

1121
00:53:07,141 --> 00:53:09,768
that English does. Instead, it's.
That they've kind. Of got a tone

1122
00:53:09,768 --> 00:53:12,981
based thing in the way that.
I'm sorry, I made some clips from

1123
00:53:12,981 --> 00:53:16,025
you talking about this last time,
and some people are saying

1124
00:53:16,025 --> 00:53:19,987
that there are a couple of words,
but yeah, it's it yeah, it's

1125
00:53:19,987 --> 00:53:21,780
very much more based on
you know, it's

1126
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:25,492
it's like politeness.
So the the words that they have

1127
00:53:25,492 --> 00:53:28,871
are not typically these
kind of taboo ones.

1128
00:53:28,871 --> 00:53:30,831
It's more of ways
of being in polite

1129
00:53:30,831 --> 00:53:32,918
rather than. Yeah.
I would imagine it's

1130
00:53:32,918 --> 00:53:34,628
sort of like Yeah.
As opposed to like

1131
00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:38,255
go fuck yourself. You would
probably be like, go away. Yeah,

1132
00:53:38,255 --> 00:53:40,090
you know, sort of thing.
And the way that you say

1133
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:43,385
that as opposed to go away,
you know, is the real way

1134
00:53:43,385 --> 00:53:45,429
of showing offensiveness.
That's at least that's what

1135
00:53:45,429 --> 00:53:46,972
have in my mind. You know
Japanese speakers

1136
00:53:46,972 --> 00:53:49,391
feel free to correct me.
Yeah yeah well yeah

1137
00:53:49,391 --> 00:53:53,146
and like the Netherlands
I think it's if you say cancer,

1138
00:53:53,146 --> 00:53:56,440
cancer is kind of a swearword
that you can use. Yeah.

1139
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,692
And things like that.
Finally, you.

1140
00:53:57,692 --> 00:54:00,152
Learn that in Portuguese,
the amount of swearing they have,

1141
00:54:00,152 --> 00:54:03,072
everything is dick and vaginas.
Yeah. Like it's just. Exactly.

1142
00:54:03,072 --> 00:54:05,115
How many different things
they have for it. I don't know

1143
00:54:05,115 --> 00:54:07,159
if it's like that in Spanish too.
I know in Spanish

1144
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,371
they're very descriptive.
Like I remember the I was working

1145
00:54:10,371 --> 00:54:12,456
in a Spanish restaurant
and we were taught like any time

1146
00:54:12,456 --> 00:54:14,251
you learning languages,
it pretty much always comes back

1147
00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:15,793
to swearing at some point.
And usually

1148
00:54:15,793 --> 00:54:19,005
when you're lying, like
is contrasting those differences

1149
00:54:19,005 --> 00:54:20,923
and similarities
is always so much fun.

1150
00:54:20,923 --> 00:54:23,635
But I remember
talking to my Spanish

1151
00:54:23,635 --> 00:54:25,929
friends and colleagues
at the restaurant there

1152
00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:29,474
being like, So is it hard to
put that right

1153
00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:31,934
like a brother of a whore
or something that they would say

1154
00:54:31,934 --> 00:54:36,481
all the time? And I'd be like,
That's like it. I mean, they can.

1155
00:54:36,481 --> 00:54:38,942
They use it in certain ways.
So there's like e here,

1156
00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:43,405
which is I j u e which is
I think it's kind of a mix

1157
00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:46,824
between Ehart and E Hope,
which is, you know, son,

1158
00:54:46,824 --> 00:54:50,161
daughter and son
or sibling. Yeah, yeah.

1159
00:54:50,161 --> 00:54:54,206
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And put us. Yeah, yes I mean put

1160
00:54:54,206 --> 00:54:57,751
that can be a lot of things so.
I know but.

1161
00:54:57,751 --> 00:54:59,713
Yeah, I remember that.
And the Spanish

1162
00:54:59,713 --> 00:55:01,797
was much more descriptive
like I shit

1163
00:55:01,797 --> 00:55:04,634
on the grave of the whole
that gave birth to you.

1164
00:55:04,634 --> 00:55:06,760
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's like, Whoa! Oh my God,

1165
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,387
it's so offensive.
Whereas I think

1166
00:55:08,387 --> 00:55:10,849
if you said that to
someone in English,

1167
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:13,059
that would almost be a way
of breaking the ice.

1168
00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:15,186
Like in terms of making
someone like, yeah,

1169
00:55:15,186 --> 00:55:20,233
they would be like.
That was overly good. But at this

1170
00:55:20,233 --> 00:55:23,485
exact moment of time,
because I have not yet started to

1171
00:55:23,485 --> 00:55:26,572
learn Portuguese, I know more
swear words than I do

1172
00:55:26,572 --> 00:55:32,202
just regular Portuguese.
Because my email this was yeah.

1173
00:55:32,202 --> 00:55:34,496
It's so fun learning that stuff.
I remember learning it

1174
00:55:34,496 --> 00:55:36,791
with my wife
and the initial stages

1175
00:55:36,791 --> 00:55:39,585
when learning a language
of not having any kind of

1176
00:55:39,585 --> 00:55:42,130
conceptualisation
of how bad where it is.

1177
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:43,715
Like, again, hopefully
it doesn't offend

1178
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:45,800
too many Portuguese speakers,
but I might drop a few of them.

1179
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,721
But you know, using cut value,
which is like

1180
00:55:49,721 --> 00:55:53,599
a really bad word for it's used
in a lot of different ways,

1181
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,561
but it's like Dick effectively,
it's the worst way to say Dick,

1182
00:55:56,561 --> 00:55:58,228
at least based on
what I've been told.

1183
00:55:58,228 --> 00:56:02,025
And initially
you just think, God, you like it

1184
00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:04,693
just sounds so nice. Yeah.
When you're a language

1185
00:56:04,693 --> 00:56:08,322
you like, that doesn't
it doesn't sound like a

1186
00:56:08,322 --> 00:56:11,784
kind of kind of well, you know,
it sounds like a does it or

1187
00:56:11,784 --> 00:56:14,411
something like, yeah,
we're going to eat some Kahlua.

1188
00:56:14,411 --> 00:56:16,206
Like you guys want some,
you know, definitely

1189
00:56:16,206 --> 00:56:20,376
got a clip, but yeah, that's it.
But yeah, there's quite

1190
00:56:20,376 --> 00:56:22,378
a few of those
in Portuguese where

1191
00:56:22,378 --> 00:56:24,338
from an English
speakers perspective,

1192
00:56:24,338 --> 00:56:28,967
where a lot of our
swear words have consonants at

1193
00:56:28,967 --> 00:56:31,846
the start or at the end,
especially the percussive ones,

1194
00:56:31,846 --> 00:56:34,807
you know, ones
that I like to push. You know,

1195
00:56:34,807 --> 00:56:38,394
those sorts of
consonants are in there.

1196
00:56:38,394 --> 00:56:41,438
It doesn't. We associate that
as English speakers

1197
00:56:41,438 --> 00:56:43,775
with rude words, right?
Like cork and can't,

1198
00:56:43,775 --> 00:56:45,735
in fact. And shit.
They all have these.

1199
00:56:45,735 --> 00:56:47,612
Like, really,
if you really want to say

1200
00:56:47,612 --> 00:56:50,824
it, it's like and it has
this kind of emotion to it.

1201
00:56:50,824 --> 00:56:52,909
But I remember, yeah,
initially learning like that.

1202
00:56:52,909 --> 00:56:56,746
I, I got ideas
and it just didn't. Always

1203
00:56:56,746 --> 00:56:59,123
just make me kind of giggle like,
just doesn't sound

1204
00:56:59,123 --> 00:57:01,166
that bad, you know?
You re like really

1205
00:57:01,166 --> 00:57:04,003
you use this to sort of
just like, surely you got some

1206
00:57:04,003 --> 00:57:08,715
better than that. Yeah. But yeah,
there's a lot

1207
00:57:08,715 --> 00:57:10,385
of those sorts of words
in Portuguese

1208
00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:13,096
where everything else
to just means dick or vagina.

1209
00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:16,599
Like I'll say words in a sentence
and I'll think I'm pronouncing it

1210
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,016
correctly in my wife,
we were like,

1211
00:57:18,016 --> 00:57:22,230
You just said vagina.
And another one, another one

1212
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:26,358
like another word
that means vagina. Jesus.

1213
00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:29,153
Have you got any.
Recommendations,

1214
00:57:29,153 --> 00:57:32,322
any interesting tips for someone
who is learning to looking to

1215
00:57:32,322 --> 00:57:34,617
learn Portuguese
just in terms of,

1216
00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:36,786
I don't know, anything
interesting grammar

1217
00:57:36,786 --> 00:57:41,708
wise that you found?
Um, from, uh. From growing up

1218
00:57:41,708 --> 00:57:44,793
like regional differences
is plenty of things. Well,

1219
00:57:44,793 --> 00:57:46,753
if you go to Sao Paulo,
I would say I'd probably say

1220
00:57:46,753 --> 00:57:50,467
learn the polish, the accent,
which is easier

1221
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,217
than some of the others.
Like the there's,

1222
00:57:52,217 --> 00:57:54,137
there's one from here and then
you're going to notice

1223
00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:57,181
that there's shitloads, it's
like 25 or more different

1224
00:57:57,181 --> 00:58:00,226
regional sort of accents
and dialects in, in Brazil,

1225
00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:03,646
the most common ones are going to
be Polish then and Carioca,

1226
00:58:03,646 --> 00:58:06,106
which is Rio, right.
So if you learn either of those,

1227
00:58:06,106 --> 00:58:07,483
but if you're not coming to Rio,
you don't learn

1228
00:58:07,483 --> 00:58:11,112
the Rio one, obviously.
But the Polish, the one is mainly

1229
00:58:11,112 --> 00:58:13,572
that they say the odds
at the end of

1230
00:58:13,572 --> 00:58:16,159
words like an American.
So they would

1231
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,871
say something like fila
instead of fella, which is how

1232
00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:21,956
I would say it with a northern
kind of accent.

1233
00:58:21,956 --> 00:58:26,628
And then Rio is more they'll say
the S's is S-H. Yeah.

1234
00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:29,463
So it will be like, I'm
trying to think of a word

1235
00:58:29,463 --> 00:58:34,219
gusto, right? That can mean taste
or I like something gloss.

1236
00:58:34,219 --> 00:58:38,056
Gosta Cos they would say, Gosh,
the gosh though. So you'll notice

1237
00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:41,518
there's such a subtle
but really yeah, I think most

1238
00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:42,936
of the content
you'll be landing with

1239
00:58:42,936 --> 00:58:45,188
would be Polish though
because I think that's

1240
00:58:45,188 --> 00:58:48,440
where the majority of,
of Brazilians kind of from. Yeah.

1241
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,735
Yeah think basically
so focus on that.

1242
00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:52,987
But to be honest if you already
have Spanish the thing

1243
00:58:52,987 --> 00:58:55,364
I'd be worried about
is it fucking you Spanish

1244
00:58:55,364 --> 00:58:57,032
or you mixing the two?
You'll be able

1245
00:58:57,032 --> 00:59:00,286
to use your Spanish
to pretty much get away

1246
00:59:00,286 --> 00:59:02,163
with Portuguese.
So I think if you focus

1247
00:59:02,163 --> 00:59:06,000
a lot on the basics and learning
the pronunciation,

1248
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,668
you'll probably be able
to kind of fake it.

1249
00:59:07,668 --> 00:59:09,753
That that was like.
You're at a much more advanced

1250
00:59:09,753 --> 00:59:11,922
level, much more. Quickly
is going to be my plan.

1251
00:59:11,922 --> 00:59:14,675
Yeah, because that's the,
the thing I struggle miss

1252
00:59:14,675 --> 00:59:18,346
with most when, when listening
to Brazilians in particular was.

1253
00:59:18,346 --> 00:59:21,224
Like. Honestly, at times
it sounds like Arabic.

1254
00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:23,893
It just sounds so
completely different.

1255
00:59:23,893 --> 00:59:27,813
But then when I hear them
speak slowly, I basically

1256
00:59:27,813 --> 00:59:31,233
know what they're saying.
And it's yes, it's very much

1257
00:59:31,233 --> 00:59:34,903
it was the pronunciation
and of words that would really

1258
00:59:34,903 --> 00:59:38,282
stuff me up in terms
of my comprehension. I would say

1259
00:59:38,282 --> 00:59:40,702
then focus on the vowels,
because that's that was a

1260
00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:42,244
different Spanish,
I think only has five

1261
00:59:42,244 --> 00:59:44,831
vowel sounds that are kind
of distinct. The normal stuff.

1262
00:59:44,831 --> 00:59:48,418
Yeah. Portuguese has 20.
Days. Yeah. So I've got

1263
00:59:48,418 --> 00:59:51,378
a sense of this. There's more
than English. Well, the accents

1264
00:59:51,378 --> 00:59:53,590
don't really mean anything
besides changing the vowel

1265
00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:55,465
sounds slightly. Yeah.
Like if you say

1266
00:59:55,465 --> 00:59:59,387
the tilde, it's just a
of a nasal ization.

1267
00:59:59,387 --> 01:00:00,847
And so they have that
that part of it

1268
01:00:00,847 --> 01:00:05,059
makes it more advanced and more
complicated, where a lot of their

1269
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:06,518
voice sounds
will have equivalents.

1270
01:00:06,518 --> 01:00:09,396
The nasal lies. So you'll,
you'll have say like power,

1271
01:00:09,396 --> 01:00:12,108
which means wood or DIC,
and then you'll have bone,

1272
01:00:12,108 --> 01:00:14,610
which means bread.
And so you have to learn

1273
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,445
the difference. Those vowels
are effectively the same,

1274
01:00:16,445 --> 01:00:19,157
but for the fact
that Poon is nasal lies

1275
01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:22,909
with that. Name. Up in your nose.
And Pao is not names.

1276
01:00:22,909 --> 01:00:24,746
And of course.
It's just it's words

1277
01:00:24,746 --> 01:00:28,791
which are so similar. Annual,
which means you and I. Know.

1278
01:00:28,791 --> 01:00:31,335
It means anus
that you know. Yeah. Of course

1279
01:00:31,335 --> 01:00:32,795
you're going to use.
Yeah. All the time.

1280
01:00:32,795 --> 01:00:35,757
So you need to make sure
you got that right.

1281
01:00:35,757 --> 01:00:39,385
Well in Portuguese
that would be on is. Yeah.

1282
01:00:39,385 --> 01:00:43,514
And then I think it's on
a now would be your anal. Right.

1283
01:00:43,514 --> 01:00:48,853
And then nail is like ring.
Yeah. Of nail. Yeah. Yeah yeah.

1284
01:00:48,853 --> 01:00:51,856
And in Spanish. Yeah. Exactly.
So you'd but you'll learn that

1285
01:00:51,856 --> 01:00:53,273
because they'll be
all these patterns

1286
01:00:53,273 --> 01:00:58,445
that kind of directly
translate across that like the O

1287
01:00:58,445 --> 01:01:01,449
at the ends of words I think in
Spanish would be a lot of the

1288
01:01:01,449 --> 01:01:05,494
time but like Santa is.
So I think they

1289
01:01:05,494 --> 01:01:07,954
have Santa as well
in Portuguese, but Sao.

1290
01:01:07,954 --> 01:01:12,335
Sao Paolo is like St Paul. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. So you'll learn,

1291
01:01:12,335 --> 01:01:14,920
I think you'll see
and learn and understand

1292
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,255
a lot of those shortcuts
really quickly as a result

1293
01:01:17,255 --> 01:01:20,300
of having Spanish grammar.
There are some differences

1294
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:23,887
grammatically, but I think again,
if you, if you just learn

1295
01:01:23,887 --> 01:01:28,309
the pronunciation and then those
shortcuts, like,

1296
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:33,606
you know, words ending in
in O instead of

1297
01:01:33,606 --> 01:01:36,733
what's the equivalent of Asian
like their at either

1298
01:01:36,733 --> 01:01:39,737
end, at the ends of words
in Spanish is something right.

1299
01:01:39,737 --> 01:01:43,199
Like yeah, in Portuguese
it would be like assume.

1300
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,159
So you just learn
those different endings,

1301
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,744
those different suffixes
and prefixes, and I think

1302
01:01:47,744 --> 01:01:49,454
you'll be able. To just wait.
Switch across it,

1303
01:01:49,454 --> 01:01:50,914
but then there'll be
certain words

1304
01:01:50,914 --> 01:01:52,333
and you can probably
just shortcut this

1305
01:01:52,333 --> 01:01:55,043
by looking up like key.
Differences. Exactly.

1306
01:01:55,043 --> 01:01:58,213
In vocab between
Portuguese and Spanish.

1307
01:01:58,213 --> 01:01:59,257
One of the ones
that always screwed me

1308
01:01:59,257 --> 01:02:01,509
up was like in Spanish.
You say Pedro right

1309
01:02:01,509 --> 01:02:05,847
for But Pedro, Joe Caro said,
blah, blah, blah.

1310
01:02:05,847 --> 01:02:08,849
But I want to do this
in Portuguese. It's it's mass

1311
01:02:08,849 --> 01:02:11,518
massacre of houses.
So I want to do this

1312
01:02:11,518 --> 01:02:13,688
kind of houses mass.
And so learning those

1313
01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:16,565
because if you say Pedro,
I don't know what I think,

1314
01:02:16,565 --> 01:02:19,110
then understand, but it
probably means something else.

1315
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:22,155
Yeah, exactly. They'd be like,
Yeah, well.

1316
01:02:22,155 --> 01:02:24,114
We could talk about this all day.
Yeah, it may be boring

1317
01:02:24,114 --> 01:02:26,367
for the is good.
They'll take what

1318
01:02:26,367 --> 01:02:31,121
with what they got. No the
the funny thing with the, with

1319
01:02:31,121 --> 01:02:33,750
this is actually I'm
probably one of my strong suits

1320
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:37,753
has been pronunciation.
I've always had a little

1321
01:02:37,753 --> 01:02:40,465
bit of an ear for it so that
I say things right I've never

1322
01:02:40,465 --> 01:02:44,594
actually really had to focus on.
It's only every now

1323
01:02:44,594 --> 01:02:48,306
and then where I'd make a
glaring error. Of.

1324
01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:51,016
Still pronouncing the
the H and insert,

1325
01:02:51,016 --> 01:02:52,434
and it would only be
in certain words.

1326
01:02:52,434 --> 01:02:56,773
So I wouldn't say it. The smaller
I wouldn't be saying hola.

1327
01:02:56,773 --> 01:03:00,902
But in in in certain words
I still would

1328
01:03:00,902 --> 01:03:03,695
chuck it in a little bit and I'd
need someone to just be like,

1329
01:03:03,695 --> 01:03:06,032
Oh, by the way,
you're still doing that.

1330
01:03:06,114 --> 01:03:08,201
There's one that you'll
get in Portuguese. The double

1331
01:03:08,201 --> 01:03:10,869
R is pronounces and H said, Yeah,
so getting used to that

1332
01:03:10,869 --> 01:03:15,208
because in Spanish it's a rolled
rider. Like if you were to say

1333
01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:19,045
Dog Pedro, right,
you have to say that. Whereas

1334
01:03:19,045 --> 01:03:22,465
if that word was Portuguese
it would be parallel. Yeah.

1335
01:03:22,465 --> 01:03:25,050
But no word for dogs.
Sure. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

1336
01:03:25,050 --> 01:03:28,971
So this would be fine. So there's
kind of this stuff I'm actually

1337
01:03:28,971 --> 01:03:32,016
relatively good at,
and I'm going to throw

1338
01:03:32,016 --> 01:03:34,559
American listeners under the bus
here because.

1339
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:38,731
The worst pronunciation
I've heard of other languages.

1340
01:03:38,731 --> 01:03:42,693
So someone's spent the effort
to learn another language

1341
01:03:42,693 --> 01:03:46,780
but not pronouncing. It.
Pronounce it right.

1342
01:03:46,780 --> 01:03:49,324
Pronounce it. Yeah.
Is has been Americans.

1343
01:03:49,324 --> 01:03:51,077
There is just
something about them

1344
01:03:51,077 --> 01:03:54,746
where they it's I don't get it
how can you learn a whole

1345
01:03:54,746 --> 01:03:57,333
another language
and then be speaking

1346
01:03:57,333 --> 01:04:01,295
just American accents like
yo quiero and un

1347
01:04:01,295 --> 01:04:04,215
cerveza por favour
and it's it's just.

1348
01:04:04,215 --> 01:04:06,300
Like what do you think
it comes back to the education.

1349
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:07,760
Comes back
to the education system

1350
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,719
though like French
is the same French

1351
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,391
French people, France.
It's you know,

1352
01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:17,811
renowned to be atrocious in terms
of the education system,

1353
01:04:17,811 --> 01:04:21,148
having decent
English teachers. Who.

1354
01:04:21,231 --> 01:04:24,277
Yeah, when I was there,
when I was a teenager

1355
01:04:24,277 --> 01:04:26,445
and we went to some schools
and we were in the classes

1356
01:04:26,445 --> 01:04:28,530
where they were teaching English,
every single English

1357
01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:30,907
teacher was a French person
and they had an

1358
01:04:30,907 --> 01:04:34,036
awful accent. And again.
Yeah, crazy. You could understand

1359
01:04:34,036 --> 01:04:35,954
them, you could communicate
with them. That wasn't the issue,

1360
01:04:35,954 --> 01:04:39,291
but that was one thing.
Whereas when I was in Australia,

1361
01:04:39,291 --> 01:04:41,585
what everyone wanted to
learn was French

1362
01:04:41,585 --> 01:04:43,713
from a French speaker,
really like

1363
01:04:43,713 --> 01:04:45,255
not another Australian,
although, you know,

1364
01:04:45,255 --> 01:04:47,090
they would be the one
that was okay, you know,

1365
01:04:47,090 --> 01:04:49,719
it wasn't a problem.
But there's that.

1366
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:51,846
And then I remember chatting
to a few French people.

1367
01:04:51,846 --> 01:04:53,722
I always ask them, you know,
when they're learning English,

1368
01:04:53,722 --> 01:04:57,393
or I make them through my work.
So I said, Why are French people.

1369
01:04:57,393 --> 01:04:59,936
Why are. French people
so stereotypically bad

1370
01:04:59,936 --> 01:05:03,398
at pronouncing English words?
Where, Yeah, I'll have that thing

1371
01:05:03,398 --> 01:05:06,193
come up of. You'll be listening
to an author

1372
01:05:06,193 --> 01:05:10,447
who's like world renowned
speaking English, and he's French

1373
01:05:10,447 --> 01:05:13,409
and you can barely understand
what he's saying

1374
01:05:13,409 --> 01:05:15,952
because of his accent.
But when you really analyse

1375
01:05:15,952 --> 01:05:18,998
it, he's not making
any grammatical errors

1376
01:05:18,998 --> 01:05:22,501
and you kind of like
how the fact you level

1377
01:05:22,501 --> 01:05:26,047
your grandma to that level
and that ability, your vocab

1378
01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:29,132
is probably better than mine.
You know, you read more than I do

1379
01:05:29,132 --> 01:05:33,846
for sure, but your language
is so hard to understand

1380
01:05:33,846 --> 01:05:36,349
because you still have
effectively baby level

1381
01:05:36,349 --> 01:05:38,559
pronunciation skills, right?
Like where it's

1382
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,061
I always think about it
in terms of Pokemon. And remember

1383
01:05:41,061 --> 01:05:42,521
when I first started
playing Pokemon

1384
01:05:42,521 --> 01:05:45,398
when I was a little kid,
every single kid I knew

1385
01:05:45,398 --> 01:05:49,320
who had the game pretty much got
Charizard Bulbasaur or

1386
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,030
what is the other one?
Squirtle at the start

1387
01:05:51,030 --> 01:05:52,697
and they just levelled
the fuck up

1388
01:05:52,697 --> 01:05:55,076
out of that one Pokemon
and it would be like, Yeah,

1389
01:05:55,076 --> 01:05:57,036
I catch other Pokemon,
but then they just sit there

1390
01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:58,871
and do nothing
and I just have the one

1391
01:05:58,871 --> 01:06:01,958
that's like level 100 in a zone
where every other Pokemon is

1392
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:05,085
level five and I just fucking
plough through, you know,

1393
01:06:05,085 --> 01:06:07,088
because I'm just like
brute force, you know?

1394
01:06:07,088 --> 01:06:09,340
There are water Pokémon on fire.
They should win.

1395
01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:13,010
But I'm level 100 and they're 12.
Boom. Know. And I feel.

1396
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:15,096
Like a lot of people do that
when learning

1397
01:06:15,096 --> 01:06:17,389
English in particular
if they have an awful accent,

1398
01:06:17,389 --> 01:06:19,976
but they English is good.
It's kind of like they've learnt

1399
01:06:19,976 --> 01:06:23,980
the bare minimum to be able
to get by in terms

1400
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:26,773
of their pronunciation.
And then they've just tapped out

1401
01:06:26,773 --> 01:06:30,110
and they're like,
Fuck it and they focus on

1402
01:06:30,110 --> 01:06:35,490
grammar, reading, writing,
vocab, everything, a fluency.

1403
01:06:35,490 --> 01:06:38,327
But the, the annoying
side of that for the,

1404
01:06:38,327 --> 01:06:39,869
the people that they
are interacting with

1405
01:06:39,869 --> 01:06:43,456
is that it puts all the
burden of comprehension

1406
01:06:43,541 --> 01:06:45,501
in a conversation
on the other person,

1407
01:06:45,501 --> 01:06:48,211
on the on the other,
the native speaker or non-native

1408
01:06:48,211 --> 01:06:49,338
speaker too, if they're
speaking to them.

1409
01:06:49,338 --> 01:06:51,465
And that was always the thing
that frustrates me

1410
01:06:51,465 --> 01:06:53,217
when learning a language.
And I had this irritation

1411
01:06:53,217 --> 01:06:54,885
the opposite way when I was
speaking French

1412
01:06:54,885 --> 01:06:57,429
and I would try and talk
to people who were Australians

1413
01:06:57,429 --> 01:06:58,639
and they would come to
these made ups

1414
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:01,057
and they would have
atrocious accents,

1415
01:07:01,057 --> 01:07:04,519
I would just be like,
I can't speak English to me

1416
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:06,646
because I'm hearing
an Australian accent.

1417
01:07:06,646 --> 01:07:10,275
Yeah, exact. But then I'm hearing
French words at the same time

1418
01:07:10,275 --> 01:07:13,320
and it's fucking my mind.
And I can't. Because I'm

1419
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,364
anticipating hearing
English words from your accent

1420
01:07:16,364 --> 01:07:17,907
the way that I hear it.
And so it's

1421
01:07:17,907 --> 01:07:19,784
the opposite in French
when you hear really strong

1422
01:07:19,784 --> 01:07:21,494
French accents and they're
speaking English,

1423
01:07:21,494 --> 01:07:24,248
you kind of like, especially if
you speak French, you're like,

1424
01:07:24,248 --> 01:07:25,875
I'm expecting I'm
trying to hear this

1425
01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:28,543
in terms of me listening out
with my French cheese,

1426
01:07:28,543 --> 01:07:30,713
but I can't. I have to follow
with my English.

1427
01:07:30,713 --> 01:07:33,298
So yeah, I remember that
being one of those things

1428
01:07:33,298 --> 01:07:35,050
where I think,
how does this happen?

1429
01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:37,177
But with French, when I've spoken
to people from France,

1430
01:07:37,177 --> 01:07:39,972
they the ones
that I had spoken to who are

1431
01:07:39,972 --> 01:07:42,516
sort of my peer group
my age, said that

1432
01:07:42,516 --> 01:07:45,393
you'd get bullied
atrociously at school

1433
01:07:45,393 --> 01:07:48,396
if you put on. An anything
nationalism sort of thing. Yeah.

1434
01:07:48,396 --> 01:07:52,568
And it was all like,
oh, looky here. Like, oh,

1435
01:07:52,568 --> 01:07:54,360
someone thinks
they're English. Yeah.

1436
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,405
And we used to kind of have it
the opposite way for French.

1437
01:07:57,405 --> 01:07:59,742
Like if you did really well
in French at school.

1438
01:07:59,742 --> 01:08:01,284
I went to private school
and so everyone

1439
01:08:01,284 --> 01:08:04,789
was pretty much a douche
bag, including myself. If you did

1440
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:07,791
a really good French accent,
everyone would kind of be like,

1441
01:08:07,791 --> 01:08:10,835
you know, like in the class
until later on you get to like,

1442
01:08:10,835 --> 01:08:12,463
you're 12 and you're all
everybody wants to be

1443
01:08:12,463 --> 01:08:15,465
there is there for a reason.
So I think it's probably

1444
01:08:15,465 --> 01:08:21,639
that on steroids to some degree.
But in in America, again, I would

1445
01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,015
probably say that their
education system, by

1446
01:08:24,015 --> 01:08:26,435
and large is atrocious.
And so I imagine that

1447
01:08:26,435 --> 01:08:30,523
they probably have, you know,
pretty average teachers

1448
01:08:30,523 --> 01:08:33,775
teaching Spanish
who probably aren't

1449
01:08:33,775 --> 01:08:36,153
native speakers of the
language themselves. I mean,

1450
01:08:36,153 --> 01:08:37,363
they probably are
in certain areas,

1451
01:08:37,363 --> 01:08:40,824
but by and large so I don't know,
that's me just throwing shade.

1452
01:08:40,824 --> 01:08:43,536
And I guess. I'm imagining
that the Spanish

1453
01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:45,162
teachers are like,
did you ever watch

1454
01:08:45,162 --> 01:08:49,207
community that. I've seen before.
Places like that? You know,

1455
01:08:49,207 --> 01:08:51,417
the Asian guy
is the Spanish teacher

1456
01:08:51,417 --> 01:08:55,213
and it's just off the wall,
unhinged, crazy.

1457
01:08:55,213 --> 01:08:57,132
But he's the Spanish saviour.
It's like, okay.

1458
01:08:57,132 --> 01:08:59,801
It's so it's so hard,
though. Right? Because

1459
01:08:59,801 --> 01:09:02,137
there's the language community
has this huge thing,

1460
01:09:02,137 --> 01:09:06,475
especially the English
language learning sphere, where

1461
01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:09,645
there's a really big portion.
But as soon as everyone started

1462
01:09:09,645 --> 01:09:12,480
going work about five, six,
seven years ago

1463
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,440
when that whole thing
started up with everyone

1464
01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:16,734
being politically correct
and really like

1465
01:09:16,734 --> 01:09:18,362
having their heart
the right place and wanting to

1466
01:09:18,362 --> 01:09:21,323
be inclusive and not
offend other people,

1467
01:09:21,364 --> 01:09:23,492
we I think we're starting to see
the pathological

1468
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:30,916
side of that where like in terms
of language learning, you would

1469
01:09:30,916 --> 01:09:34,211
I would feel pressure
ever talking about pronunciation

1470
01:09:34,211 --> 01:09:36,380
and aiming
for a native level accent

1471
01:09:36,380 --> 01:09:39,507
and even saying things
like native speaker was it

1472
01:09:39,507 --> 01:09:42,344
became this dirty thing of like,
you shouldn't

1473
01:09:42,344 --> 01:09:44,012
have to aim for that
blah, blah, blah.

1474
01:09:44,012 --> 01:09:47,015
And it's like, yeah,
whether or not you should is

1475
01:09:47,015 --> 01:09:49,601
sort of objective, I mean,
subjective, right? Like that's up

1476
01:09:49,601 --> 01:09:52,604
to the individual. And at the end
of the day, what are we basing

1477
01:09:52,604 --> 01:09:55,774
what we're learning off it?
Usually it's native speaking,

1478
01:09:55,774 --> 01:09:57,818
we're not picking you know,
I'm not looking

1479
01:09:57,818 --> 01:10:00,404
for another Aussie
who's like Portuguese.

1480
01:10:00,404 --> 01:10:01,905
And then I'm thinking, Fuck,
I really want

1481
01:10:01,905 --> 01:10:04,949
to sound like that guy. Yeah,
I'm looking at Portuguese

1482
01:10:04,949 --> 01:10:07,243
speakers from Brazil
and I'm thinking, I want to model

1483
01:10:07,243 --> 01:10:10,288
my pronunciation, my accent, my
speaking on this group, this

1484
01:10:10,288 --> 01:10:13,042
person, whatever, because
that's going to

1485
01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:15,752
get me the closest to being able
to communicate with those people.

1486
01:10:15,752 --> 01:10:17,880
I'm not Portuguese to chat
to other Australians

1487
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,632
in Portuguese. And so
when that whole

1488
01:10:20,632 --> 01:10:22,259
woke thing happened,
it was really interesting

1489
01:10:22,259 --> 01:10:25,720
because there was such
a big pushback against correcting

1490
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,224
other people's pronunciation
or even encouraging them

1491
01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,185
to try and develop
a native level accent.

1492
01:10:31,185 --> 01:10:35,855
And I think it comes
from a good place. Of.

1493
01:10:35,855 --> 01:10:38,650
Not wanting to discriminate
against people who don't have

1494
01:10:38,650 --> 01:10:40,819
amazing accents
or will find it difficult

1495
01:10:40,819 --> 01:10:45,365
to impersonate a foreign accent
or learn a foreign accent.

1496
01:10:45,365 --> 01:10:48,368
But then one side of it is so
then fucking don't bother.

1497
01:10:48,368 --> 01:10:51,037
And it's not your problem.
If other people don't understand

1498
01:10:51,037 --> 01:10:53,957
you, it's their problem
because they're bigots, you know?

1499
01:10:53,957 --> 01:10:56,085
And I. Think that's about
if you. Had any of this.

1500
01:10:56,085 --> 01:10:58,295
So this is really interesting.
That kind of attitude doesn't

1501
01:10:58,295 --> 01:11:00,881
really help anyone.
I remember thinking like at the

1502
01:11:00,881 --> 01:11:04,510
end of the day, you can like
you can have that kind of opinion

1503
01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:08,264
that but that opinion.
Usually gets sorted out by,

1504
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:11,140
I want to say like the market,
which was I remember was scanning

1505
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:14,019
Spanish and I was like,
they should understand me

1506
01:11:14,019 --> 01:11:18,649
when I want to say like,
get out the net on a lot of this.

1507
01:11:18,649 --> 01:11:20,149
Like I want to have
something of this,

1508
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:21,819
but you can't used
to have like that.

1509
01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:25,238
You have to order like,
can I order? Can I take

1510
01:11:25,238 --> 01:11:27,408
something like that?
And I used to use that.

1511
01:11:27,408 --> 01:11:29,618
I was like.
They should understand, like the

1512
01:11:29,618 --> 01:11:33,037
literal translation. Yeah.
And then of course, you know,

1513
01:11:33,037 --> 01:11:34,872
as a rational human
being and seeing.

1514
01:11:34,872 --> 01:11:36,792
It's that sort of facts
don't care about your feelings.

1515
01:11:36,792 --> 01:11:39,545
Native speakers don't give a shit
about your opinions about the

1516
01:11:39,545 --> 01:11:41,296
little languages used, how
the language is used,

1517
01:11:41,296 --> 01:11:44,507
and if they can't understand you,
that's your problem, not theirs.

1518
01:11:44,507 --> 01:11:46,592
So that that was the side of it
that really started

1519
01:11:46,592 --> 01:11:51,431
irking me and was like
my focus wasn't on teaching

1520
01:11:51,431 --> 01:11:54,310
English to people
all over the world.

1521
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:56,353
My focus was teaching
Australian English

1522
01:11:56,353 --> 01:11:57,813
and culture and history
and everything

1523
01:11:57,813 --> 01:11:59,981
to people effectively
migrating or planning

1524
01:11:59,981 --> 01:12:03,277
to migrate to Australia
to become part of this country.

1525
01:12:03,277 --> 01:12:05,612
Culture everything like that.
And so having

1526
01:12:05,612 --> 01:12:08,823
that kind of attitude
is not empowering the people

1527
01:12:08,823 --> 01:12:10,993
who are trying to
make a life here

1528
01:12:10,993 --> 01:12:12,786
and come to a state.
If you say to someone,

1529
01:12:12,786 --> 01:12:14,203
you know, learn English,
but don't worry

1530
01:12:14,203 --> 01:12:16,539
about pronunciation, fuck it,
you know, it should be the person

1531
01:12:16,539 --> 01:12:18,082
who is speaking to you,
listening to you

1532
01:12:18,082 --> 01:12:20,586
that it's their problem.
It's kind of like, okay, well,

1533
01:12:20,586 --> 01:12:23,463
good luck getting a job, right?
Like if if you can't be

1534
01:12:23,463 --> 01:12:27,216
understood easily,
then that's just a big red flag

1535
01:12:27,216 --> 01:12:29,470
for someone wanting to hire you
because they're going to be like,

1536
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:30,762
Well, we're going to pick
the person that we could

1537
01:12:30,762 --> 01:12:33,097
really communicate clearly with.
And so I remember

1538
01:12:33,097 --> 01:12:35,016
just thinking like,
this is just not helpful.

1539
01:12:35,016 --> 01:12:38,228
At the end of the day,
pronunciation matters because not

1540
01:12:38,228 --> 01:12:41,314
because in and of itself, like
you don't need to sound

1541
01:12:41,314 --> 01:12:44,568
like an Australian and,
be a spy level,

1542
01:12:44,568 --> 01:12:47,529
you know, linguist
where I can't tell the difference

1543
01:12:47,529 --> 01:12:52,033
between you and Pauline Hanson's,
you know, regional accent.

1544
01:12:52,033 --> 01:12:54,619
But you need to be able
to speak well enough,

1545
01:12:54,619 --> 01:12:56,662
pronounce words clearly enough
and well enough

1546
01:12:56,662 --> 01:12:58,998
that we can understand
you as clearly as possible

1547
01:12:58,998 --> 01:13:00,833
because it's all
about communication.

1548
01:13:00,833 --> 01:13:03,337
And if your communication
can get to a level where it is

1549
01:13:03,337 --> 01:13:06,840
as good as possible, then that
that's the ultimate goal.

1550
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,134
Pronunciation, for better
or worse, is part of that

1551
01:13:09,134 --> 01:13:12,054
and you have to deal with it.
And so, yeah, I remember

1552
01:13:12,054 --> 01:13:14,931
so irked during
this whole thing of

1553
01:13:15,015 --> 01:13:17,600
trying to, you
know, pressure people to learn

1554
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:22,439
an Australian accent or even
talking about it as being goal.

1555
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,149
The fact that it should be a goal
to try and learn

1556
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:27,819
an Australian accent
is is racist, is bigoted.

1557
01:13:27,819 --> 01:13:30,238
You know, you're a piece of shit
if you if you think that way.

1558
01:13:30,238 --> 01:13:32,323
And it would be like
at the end of the day,

1559
01:13:32,323 --> 01:13:34,534
I don't care about what
you think of me. I'm, I care

1560
01:13:34,534 --> 01:13:36,912
about what these people can do
when they get here. And if.

1561
01:13:36,912 --> 01:13:39,664
You get any of that
directed at you. A little bit.

1562
01:13:39,664 --> 01:13:42,542
Yeah, there's a few. There's
There's one teacher

1563
01:13:42,542 --> 01:13:47,046
who is an Australian,
but he lives overseas in Spain

1564
01:13:47,046 --> 01:13:49,507
and he just stopped
talking to me.

1565
01:13:49,507 --> 01:13:52,970
Yeah, he was just like. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I was just like,

1566
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:57,015
Yeah, you're written off.
Have you noticed actually any

1567
01:13:57,015 --> 01:14:00,351
trends amongst
the people coming here who you've

1568
01:14:00,351 --> 01:14:03,521
helped talk with because you've
got like the, the Business I spy

1569
01:14:03,521 --> 01:14:07,443
I suppose behind your podcast
as well of, of I don't know,

1570
01:14:07,443 --> 01:14:10,570
nationalities types of people
and he standout

1571
01:14:10,570 --> 01:14:15,033
characteristics of people who do
and like get the pronunciation

1572
01:14:15,033 --> 01:14:18,287
really well or vice
versa of people who don't

1573
01:14:18,287 --> 01:14:19,662
who struggle with it.
I think it's a

1574
01:14:19,662 --> 01:14:21,622
personality thing more
so than necessarily

1575
01:14:21,622 --> 01:14:24,667
a background or whatever.
I think really it's like

1576
01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,336
I remember chatting
to one guy, he

1577
01:14:26,336 --> 01:14:30,340
he paid me to give him
private lessons earlier on, maybe

1578
01:14:30,340 --> 01:14:32,801
five years ago. And I got
on the call with him

1579
01:14:32,801 --> 01:14:35,136
and he was in Germany
and I was chatting to him

1580
01:14:35,136 --> 01:14:38,640
and I was like, my heart sank
because initially I was like,

1581
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,560
he's Australian, What the fuck?
You know, Why is he high?

1582
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,689
I can't teach him shit.
Like, you know, why am I here?

1583
01:14:45,689 --> 01:14:49,109
And it turned out that he was
autistic and German,

1584
01:14:49,109 --> 01:14:53,322
but had lived in Australia
for a few years and just mastered

1585
01:14:53,322 --> 01:14:56,492
the accent well. Nailed it.
That will always stay with.

1586
01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:58,284
But I remember him telling me
about his autism

1587
01:14:58,284 --> 01:15:01,162
and how hyper obsessed
and focussed he was on the accent

1588
01:15:01,162 --> 01:15:05,708
and I was just like,
Holy shit, like an adult

1589
01:15:05,792 --> 01:15:07,336
who came to Australia
in his twenties

1590
01:15:07,336 --> 01:15:09,671
or maybe even later
who didn't have

1591
01:15:09,671 --> 01:15:11,715
English, got English
and then mastered

1592
01:15:11,715 --> 01:15:13,884
the accent to the point
where I didn't even know

1593
01:15:13,884 --> 01:15:15,761
I wouldn't have been able
to tell it. If he hadn't told me

1594
01:15:15,761 --> 01:15:17,345
that, I wouldn't have known.
I would have thought

1595
01:15:17,345 --> 01:15:19,389
he was Australian. Yeah,
I would have been like

1596
01:15:19,389 --> 01:15:21,682
they may have been, you know,
the more I spoke to him,

1597
01:15:21,682 --> 01:15:23,143
maybe there would
have been certain things

1598
01:15:23,143 --> 01:15:24,770
that came through where
I would have been like,

1599
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:26,354
okay, maybe he was
born, raised here

1600
01:15:26,354 --> 01:15:28,356
and then lived in
Germany for ages and it just

1601
01:15:28,356 --> 01:15:31,025
kind of muddled
his his English up a bit.

1602
01:15:31,025 --> 01:15:33,237
And it's not, you know,
quote unquote pure kind

1603
01:15:33,237 --> 01:15:35,530
of like dialect. He's always been
a small town

1604
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:38,951
in regional Australia, but yeah,
I remember just having

1605
01:15:38,951 --> 01:15:41,828
my mind blown. But it was just
so I think at the end of

1606
01:15:41,828 --> 01:15:42,828
the day, it's
just how much effort

1607
01:15:42,828 --> 01:15:44,914
and time you put into it.
And like fitness,

1608
01:15:44,914 --> 01:15:46,500
I think pronunciation
is one of those things

1609
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:49,002
because you're using
your mouth, you're using,

1610
01:15:49,002 --> 01:15:52,547
you know, muscles, your face,
you know, to be able to say

1611
01:15:52,547 --> 01:15:53,840
certain things.
It has to be something

1612
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,885
that you work on constantly
and train because you

1613
01:15:56,885 --> 01:16:00,639
haven't done it from birth.
I think even me, I would probably

1614
01:16:00,639 --> 01:16:03,225
my accent would get screwed up
if I went overseas and live there

1615
01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:04,643
for a significant amount
of time and didn't

1616
01:16:04,643 --> 01:16:07,813
speak English. Right.
I always imagine tangent,

1617
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:12,400
you know William Buckley, right.
The the guy in the early 1800s

1618
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,029
who was a convict,
he was brought over to Sorento

1619
01:16:16,029 --> 01:16:18,532
down on Port Phillip Bay
and he ends up

1620
01:16:18,532 --> 01:16:22,368
running away from the
the the British soldiers

1621
01:16:22,368 --> 01:16:23,828
and everything and leaves
with the indigenous

1622
01:16:23,828 --> 01:16:27,291
people around port Bay.
The war, the wrong people

1623
01:16:27,291 --> 01:16:31,627
for 35 years, 35 years. He leaves
with them, learns the language,

1624
01:16:31,627 --> 01:16:35,381
the culture. He sort of ends up
having a thing with a young woman

1625
01:16:35,381 --> 01:16:37,091
and everything
like he's fully embedded.

1626
01:16:37,091 --> 01:16:41,596
And then
when Batman and he's he's

1627
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,682
one of the founders of Melbourne,
they came over 35 years later,

1628
01:16:44,682 --> 01:16:47,978
I think it would have been yet
it would have been like 1835, 36,

1629
01:16:47,978 --> 01:16:49,479
and they found Melbourne.
They find it.

1630
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,981
He comes out of the bush,
this white dude with a huge beard

1631
01:16:51,981 --> 01:16:54,525
and a spear, warning them
like the black

1632
01:16:54,525 --> 01:16:57,194
guys are going to kill you guys.
Keep it up. You better be.

1633
01:16:57,194 --> 01:17:00,698
Careful because they planning to
knock you off. I always

1634
01:17:00,698 --> 01:17:02,826
I always really, really
wish I could have been there

1635
01:17:02,826 --> 01:17:06,246
to hear it. Yeah. And yeah.
And because he tells

1636
01:17:06,246 --> 01:17:07,913
his story later
on, he has his story

1637
01:17:07,913 --> 01:17:10,958
written down his personal
sort of account through someone

1638
01:17:10,958 --> 01:17:13,712
who writes it and again,
definitely embellishes

1639
01:17:13,712 --> 01:17:15,588
the story and talks
about cannibalism and all that

1640
01:17:15,588 --> 01:17:17,591
sort of shit.
But you're kind of like, okay,

1641
01:17:17,591 --> 01:17:19,091
so he did end up
learning English again

1642
01:17:19,091 --> 01:17:21,136
or reloading it, getting back to
a native level

1643
01:17:21,136 --> 01:17:23,889
and then going home
because he moved back to England.

1644
01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:25,640
But always wonder
like what happened

1645
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,685
with is his language
skills in on both fronts,

1646
01:17:29,685 --> 01:17:32,898
you know, 35 fucking years.
That's, you know, one year

1647
01:17:32,898 --> 01:17:37,569
less than my age. He was spending
as an adult learning, speaking,

1648
01:17:37,569 --> 01:17:40,655
interacting with these
indigenous people, multiple

1649
01:17:40,655 --> 01:17:42,908
different dialects
and not speaking, not speaking

1650
01:17:42,908 --> 01:17:44,868
with a single English speaker
for that long.

1651
01:17:44,868 --> 01:17:49,122
And that yeah, he still
was able to sort of communicate

1652
01:17:49,122 --> 01:17:51,957
when he came out of the bush
after that amount of time

1653
01:17:51,957 --> 01:17:55,420
with English speakers. So yeah,
I mean what

1654
01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:57,588
we were talking about,
I remember that

1655
01:17:57,588 --> 01:17:59,800
that sort of tangent
aren't just like, fuck yeah,

1656
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,427
pronunciation and everything.
So yeah, I think a lot of people

1657
01:18:03,427 --> 01:18:05,555
just don't
appreciate how much work

1658
01:18:05,555 --> 01:18:08,265
it requires
and that it's ongoing.

1659
01:18:08,265 --> 01:18:11,770
And I think too they,
there aren't good resources

1660
01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:13,771
out there to show them how do it
you know

1661
01:18:13,771 --> 01:18:15,356
that was the whole reason
I made a course about

1662
01:18:15,356 --> 01:18:19,860
Australian pronunciation
and so it's it's one of those

1663
01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:22,655
difficult things.
I think learning English is easy

1664
01:18:22,655 --> 01:18:24,865
in that there's so many resources
out there for learning

1665
01:18:24,865 --> 01:18:27,661
just sort of basic English,
like American, British English.

1666
01:18:27,661 --> 01:18:29,829
But if you want to
really knuckle down

1667
01:18:29,829 --> 01:18:32,707
in a certain dialect,
it's so much harder

1668
01:18:32,707 --> 01:18:35,711
like if you were to try
and learn South African

1669
01:18:35,711 --> 01:18:37,587
English, New Zealand, English,
Australian, English,

1670
01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:39,131
any time you sort of dive
down into a

1671
01:18:39,131 --> 01:18:42,884
specific area, there's
significantly less resources.

1672
01:18:42,884 --> 01:18:45,761
And I think to you kind of left
your own devices.

1673
01:18:45,761 --> 01:18:49,682
But then yeah, it's
kind of funny that people

1674
01:18:49,682 --> 01:18:51,643
will get criticised
for not being able to do it,

1675
01:18:51,643 --> 01:18:54,104
but then there's
no one really like the Australian

1676
01:18:54,104 --> 01:18:57,399
Government. I don't think
they've done an amazing job

1677
01:18:57,399 --> 01:18:58,817
with trying to help
people integrate

1678
01:18:58,817 --> 01:19:01,485
into Australian society.
We have this huge, you know,

1679
01:19:01,485 --> 01:19:04,488
sort of migration system
set up to bring people in.

1680
01:19:04,488 --> 01:19:05,573
You know, we have the
highest number

1681
01:19:05,573 --> 01:19:08,409
of migrants per capita
in the world

1682
01:19:08,409 --> 01:19:10,412
and yet I think the way
in which we take care of

1683
01:19:10,412 --> 01:19:12,329
them is kind of shit.
They get and it's kind of like,

1684
01:19:12,329 --> 01:19:15,458
Yeah, integrate,
good luck to you. You know.

1685
01:19:15,458 --> 01:19:21,922
You're kind of like, okay, cool.
Yeah, well, I always know about,

1686
01:19:21,922 --> 01:19:24,384
I suppose, like the visa system
because I just seem to me

1687
01:19:24,384 --> 01:19:28,930
like so many people
who are on visas here and it's.

1688
01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:33,100
Yeah, it's,
it seems so complicated.

1689
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:35,228
I don't know
why people want to come here.

1690
01:19:35,228 --> 01:19:36,979
Look, I know why people
want to come here. Obviously.

1691
01:19:36,979 --> 01:19:40,024
It's amazing country, but
I don't know why.

1692
01:19:40,024 --> 01:19:42,359
Why they try and pull up
with the bullshit of

1693
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:45,404
the visa system. I know.
If it was me, I'd just be like,

1694
01:19:45,404 --> 01:19:48,492
I'm not sure if it's worth it.
Well, but. Yeah, but that's

1695
01:19:48,492 --> 01:19:50,659
you from an Australian
perspective, right?

1696
01:19:50,659 --> 01:19:52,537
You're not coming from somewhere
like Afghanistan

1697
01:19:52,537 --> 01:19:55,207
or Iran being like, Yeah,
okay, I'll do anything.

1698
01:19:55,207 --> 01:19:58,627
Yeah, I'll put up. Exactly. Yeah.
So I, that's a big part of it

1699
01:19:58,627 --> 01:20:01,546
right. When it comes to becoming,
you know, Australia in that way,

1700
01:20:01,546 --> 01:20:04,632
there is just such a,
a massive motivation

1701
01:20:04,632 --> 01:20:05,884
for a lot of people
coming from a lot

1702
01:20:05,884 --> 01:20:07,301
of these places.
But yeah, when you were

1703
01:20:07,301 --> 01:20:09,762
I think you were talking about
are there any patterns that I see

1704
01:20:09,762 --> 01:20:12,140
in, in terms of people
in their pronunciation and skills

1705
01:20:12,140 --> 01:20:14,016
that sort of comes down
to a personal level

1706
01:20:14,016 --> 01:20:17,979
and the student and how motivated
they are. And so yeah,

1707
01:20:17,979 --> 01:20:20,314
you have people of all
different backgrounds,

1708
01:20:20,314 --> 01:20:22,525
like my wife is a good example.
She was she came from

1709
01:20:22,525 --> 01:20:24,485
a sort of poor
background in Brazil,

1710
01:20:24,485 --> 01:20:27,905
but her English is,
is phenomenal. It's the best

1711
01:20:27,905 --> 01:20:29,824
that I've ever heard
from a Brazilian person,

1712
01:20:29,824 --> 01:20:31,952
you know, And that's not
because the average

1713
01:20:31,952 --> 01:20:34,496
Brazilian is shit at English.
It's just that

1714
01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:38,542
she studied her ass off
and just seemed to get

1715
01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:40,627
pronunciation. And it's
really funny again,

1716
01:20:40,627 --> 01:20:43,087
not to show my wife, but
I tried to encourage her

1717
01:20:43,087 --> 01:20:46,131
to learn French
and she was so shit at French

1718
01:20:46,131 --> 01:20:48,717
when she was trying to learn it.
And I just remember being like,

1719
01:20:48,717 --> 01:20:51,720
You learn English
in like three years to like,

1720
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,349
you know, really,
really high levels

1721
01:20:54,349 --> 01:20:57,310
and yet you just kind of
get your head around, you know,

1722
01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:59,229
the basics in French,
which is another Latin like,

1723
01:20:59,229 --> 01:21:01,856
like you in Portuguese. Come on,
you guys are so class.

1724
01:21:01,856 --> 01:21:04,900
And she was just like.
I don't know. I don't know.

1725
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:06,319
So I don't. Know if it's like
the motivations

1726
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:07,904
there were different.
She was kind of like, guys,

1727
01:21:07,904 --> 01:21:09,613
just the little hobby
that I'm kind of like

1728
01:21:09,613 --> 01:21:11,908
and I really k. Whereas
when she was learning English,

1729
01:21:11,908 --> 01:21:15,203
she came to Australia
with no English, literally zero

1730
01:21:15,203 --> 01:21:18,832
and had to learn it all here
and now in Texas, you know. Yeah.

1731
01:21:18,832 --> 01:21:23,336
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
But, so yeah, I think it depends

1732
01:21:23,336 --> 01:21:24,880
on the student
and their motivation

1733
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,465
and I don't think, you know,
I've met rich people,

1734
01:21:27,465 --> 01:21:31,094
intelligent people, poor people
who've had all kinds

1735
01:21:31,094 --> 01:21:32,761
of different levels
in English after years

1736
01:21:32,761 --> 01:21:34,930
of being in Australia. And
at the end of the day,

1737
01:21:34,930 --> 01:21:37,391
I think it does just come down
to personal motivations

1738
01:21:37,391 --> 01:21:39,435
and, and also
your surroundings, right?

1739
01:21:39,435 --> 01:21:41,770
Like I think part of the reason
my wife did really well

1740
01:21:41,770 --> 01:21:43,105
with English is
that she went somewhere

1741
01:21:43,105 --> 01:21:44,315
like Townsville
where there wasn't

1742
01:21:44,315 --> 01:21:48,360
necessarily a huge group
of foreigners. Stopping. Right.

1743
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,154
There were,
there were some migrants,

1744
01:21:50,154 --> 01:21:53,240
but it wasn't like Melbourne
where if you live in the CBD

1745
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:57,244
you could be for thinking
the place was Singapore, right?

1746
01:21:57,244 --> 01:21:59,706
Like you go around
and walk around in the streets

1747
01:21:59,706 --> 01:22:02,042
and you're more likely to hear
a foreign language being spoken

1748
01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:04,543
than English. And that's not a
negative thing. You know, it's a

1749
01:22:04,543 --> 01:22:06,378
it's a good thing.
But at the same time it

1750
01:22:06,378 --> 01:22:09,841
is funny chatting to a lot of
foreigners. They're like, I

1751
01:22:09,841 --> 01:22:12,761
get to Melbourne and there's
no Australian me like that.

1752
01:22:12,761 --> 01:22:14,304
That's what
a big cities in a country

1753
01:22:14,304 --> 01:22:16,055
where has shitloads
of migration like,

1754
01:22:16,055 --> 01:22:18,057
where do you think
people go and stay? Why are they

1755
01:22:18,057 --> 01:22:20,976
migrating here? Like they go
and stay in the cities,

1756
01:22:20,976 --> 01:22:23,854
go to regional Australia
and you'll think it's, you know,

1757
01:22:23,854 --> 01:22:28,944
it's effectively another country.
But yeah. So yeah,

1758
01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:31,029
yeah, true, true. The
there was something

1759
01:22:31,029 --> 01:22:34,365
on the top of my brain
there about the regional language

1760
01:22:34,365 --> 01:22:37,118
differences,
but now this gets me.

1761
01:22:37,118 --> 01:22:40,454
And any other. Like fun hobbies
been going down.

1762
01:22:40,454 --> 01:22:44,376
Any night and you.
Just try to manage mental

1763
01:22:44,376 --> 01:22:47,170
and kids and family.
It's really funny like

1764
01:22:47,170 --> 01:22:51,841
I found since having
just young kids so not just

1765
01:22:51,841 --> 01:22:55,511
not like babies anymore
but I mean not even toddlers

1766
01:22:55,511 --> 01:22:57,430
anymore. Both my kids are
kind of small children

1767
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:59,849
now that can both talk
and and get around.

1768
01:22:59,849 --> 01:23:02,226
It's so much more
draining emotionally,

1769
01:23:02,226 --> 01:23:06,564
mentally and everything than
when they were babies. I found

1770
01:23:06,564 --> 01:23:08,984
at least and I remember
I used to have so much energy

1771
01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:13,195
for Aussie English. My job
and I was so passionate

1772
01:23:13,195 --> 01:23:15,532
about interviewing other people
and having them on the podcast

1773
01:23:15,532 --> 01:23:17,324
and doing all this research
and learning about them

1774
01:23:17,324 --> 01:23:20,494
and everything. And now it's like
fucking survival mode, man. Where

1775
01:23:20,494 --> 01:23:21,954
when the kids aren't here,
they're at Day-Care

1776
01:23:21,954 --> 01:23:24,832
and I'm just like,
I want to sleep. Yeah, I want to.

1777
01:23:24,832 --> 01:23:28,962
I want to play guitar,
I want to rest, I need to recoup

1778
01:23:28,962 --> 01:23:31,131
and I'll do that. At the moment
I'm sort of Aussie

1779
01:23:31,131 --> 01:23:34,341
English is kind of been on the
what would you say,

1780
01:23:34,341 --> 01:23:35,885
not life support,
but just doing the bare

1781
01:23:35,885 --> 01:23:38,262
minimum to kind of
keep things going and,

1782
01:23:38,262 --> 01:23:40,931
you know, survival
mode kind of thing. And so I,

1783
01:23:40,931 --> 01:23:43,184
I wasn't anticipating that.
And it's always hard. Don't know

1784
01:23:43,184 --> 01:23:46,438
if that's just a personal thing
for me individually or if this is

1785
01:23:46,438 --> 01:23:48,898
just a stage that most parents
kind of go through

1786
01:23:48,898 --> 01:23:52,277
with young kids. But
Jesus Christ, man, I tell you

1787
01:23:52,277 --> 01:23:56,197
what, it is exhausting.
Just the fights that you have

1788
01:23:56,197 --> 01:23:59,074
with the kids constantly over.
I've had the most trivial

1789
01:23:59,074 --> 01:24:01,828
shit of like, just eat your
veggies and, you know, it's

1790
01:24:01,828 --> 01:24:04,538
time for a shower
and they'll both just melt down

1791
01:24:04,538 --> 01:24:07,417
and you just like.
I just want to cry. Yeah.

1792
01:24:07,417 --> 01:24:10,962
So and not a positive
note to end on, but

1793
01:24:10,962 --> 01:24:12,463
I guess I want to bring it up
because that is

1794
01:24:12,463 --> 01:24:14,381
one of those things
that I'm sort of struggling

1795
01:24:14,381 --> 01:24:16,259
with at the moment
is just like maintaining

1796
01:24:16,259 --> 01:24:19,804
that kind of. Yeah, that,
that mental health,

1797
01:24:19,804 --> 01:24:21,639
trying to keep trying
to stay positive,

1798
01:24:21,639 --> 01:24:23,600
to be a good parent,
trying to juggle work.

1799
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,186
And it's just not it's not easy.
It's not easy, but it's

1800
01:24:27,186 --> 01:24:30,148
that's real life. So yeah.
I'm looking forward to when you

1801
01:24:30,148 --> 01:24:32,942
you made a Brazilian chick
and have some kids bring it back

1802
01:24:32,942 --> 01:24:35,403
to Australia, go through the
whole process of making her

1803
01:24:35,403 --> 01:24:37,363
an Australian citizen
and teaching her English.

1804
01:24:37,363 --> 01:24:39,908
And then you get to go through
the stages of having children

1805
01:24:39,908 --> 01:24:44,244
and I'll have to keep a close eye
on your progress. I could

1806
01:24:44,244 --> 01:24:47,457
see how it mirrors of mine. Yeah.
Now I get You mean

1807
01:24:47,457 --> 01:24:49,917
there's only something I
started talking about recently

1808
01:24:49,917 --> 01:24:54,255
on the podcast. My mum has
Alzheimer's and.

1809
01:24:54,255 --> 01:24:56,800
I'm sorry to hear that.
Yeah, she's. She's kind of like

1810
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,676
getting into, like, the real life
stages at the moment.

1811
01:24:59,676 --> 01:25:01,845
You're talking about the swearing
and that's one thing

1812
01:25:01,845 --> 01:25:05,641
that's actually kind of popped up
recently, which is, I mean,

1813
01:25:05,641 --> 01:25:08,645
it's funny you mention it, it's
not, it's not fun when it's

1814
01:25:08,645 --> 01:25:12,606
when it's happening, but
the yeah, it's at the stage

1815
01:25:12,606 --> 01:25:15,068
where she needs a lot of care.
Yeah. And, you know,

1816
01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:16,778
me and my brother are
helping out my dad

1817
01:25:16,778 --> 01:25:20,948
with that and it's. Yeah, it is.
I don't know if it's what

1818
01:25:20,948 --> 01:25:23,827
a child having a child is like,
but it's like when you're there

1819
01:25:23,827 --> 01:25:26,621
it's 100% like, focussed
attention on her.

1820
01:25:26,621 --> 01:25:32,210
You got to really, really
be there. And it Yeah fuck it

1821
01:25:32,210 --> 01:25:36,131
it is draining right So yeah
now I totally get you on

1822
01:25:36,131 --> 01:25:41,636
that front. Is there anything
you're doing in particular to

1823
01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:44,139
keep mentally sane to,
to make sure you're

1824
01:25:44,139 --> 01:25:48,434
not going overboard?
That gets us. I think that's why

1825
01:25:48,434 --> 01:25:49,685
I've kind of
given myself permission

1826
01:25:49,685 --> 01:25:51,604
to dive into these hobbies
a little bit

1827
01:25:51,604 --> 01:25:53,773
over the last few years
because I didn't really prior

1828
01:25:53,773 --> 01:25:56,317
to having kids, it was a lot of
Aussie English

1829
01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:59,612
and just going full, full
bore with the business

1830
01:25:59,612 --> 01:26:03,949
and work and everything.
But I think it's kind of hard to

1831
01:26:04,033 --> 01:26:07,078
to escape into
work when I have kids

1832
01:26:07,078 --> 01:26:09,622
because they're both kind of,
you know, work.

1833
01:26:09,622 --> 01:26:13,877
And I needed a kind of more of a
spiritual, creative

1834
01:26:13,877 --> 01:26:16,128
kind of outlet.
And so that was why

1835
01:26:16,128 --> 01:26:19,215
I got into the plants thing and,
and into the guitar thing

1836
01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:23,261
more recently. It's just,
yeah, it's being able to escape

1837
01:26:23,261 --> 01:26:25,762
a little bit, even if it's just
for 10 minutes, 20

1838
01:26:25,762 --> 01:26:29,600
minutes, an hour. And I think
giving permission to do that

1839
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,228
because I had a lot of guilt
initially when I get into these

1840
01:26:32,228 --> 01:26:33,938
sorts of hobbies,
especially if I spend lot of

1841
01:26:33,938 --> 01:26:36,774
money on these things,
and it's always hard to kind of

1842
01:26:36,774 --> 01:26:40,069
give yourself permission
to do that. But

1843
01:26:40,069 --> 01:26:41,404
for me at least, it
definitely always

1844
01:26:41,404 --> 01:26:42,822
seems to pay off
and I always seem

1845
01:26:42,822 --> 01:26:46,951
to make it work. So yeah. Yeah,
I'm definitely glad

1846
01:26:46,951 --> 01:26:51,872
I've done it, but yeah.
It's good to hear. Well,

1847
01:26:51,872 --> 01:26:54,917
if people are interested
in tuning into the Aussie English

1848
01:26:54,917 --> 01:26:57,628
and any of the other
stuff that you going on

1849
01:26:57,628 --> 01:27:01,381
where you recommend they go to.
I would just

1850
01:27:01,381 --> 01:27:03,342
check out the website
so you can go to Aussie

1851
01:27:03,342 --> 01:27:06,554
English dotcom dot.
Are you or just searching Google?

1852
01:27:06,554 --> 01:27:08,472
And I'm sure the YouTube
channel Instagram

1853
01:27:08,472 --> 01:27:10,515
and all that stuff will show up.
The website of shops

1854
01:27:10,515 --> 01:27:12,601
should be the first thing
to come up Aussie English podcast

1855
01:27:12,601 --> 01:27:16,021
and you'll find it.
But yeah, I think if you

1856
01:27:16,021 --> 01:27:17,481
if you're like Cochrane
in your native

1857
01:27:17,481 --> 01:27:19,067
speaker of English, especially if
you're Australian,

1858
01:27:19,067 --> 01:27:21,860
you may enjoy the
the Goss episodes on the podcast

1859
01:27:21,860 --> 01:27:24,363
more than the English
learning content. So the Goss is

1860
01:27:24,363 --> 01:27:27,199
where I sit down and chat
with my dad about news

1861
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:29,327
that come up
and he often goes off

1862
01:27:29,327 --> 01:27:32,579
on tangents and rants
and talks about his his life

1863
01:27:32,579 --> 01:27:36,667
growing up in Australia.
He's now almost 66, so.

1864
01:27:36,833 --> 01:27:39,462
Yeah, yeah. For sure.
For sure. Awesome. Yeah.

1865
01:27:39,462 --> 01:27:41,046
Honestly, like, these are
somewhat cathartic

1866
01:27:41,046 --> 01:27:43,757
for me as well. Just,
just chatting with you,

1867
01:27:43,757 --> 01:27:45,760
talking about. Random, like,
yeah, I'm always amazed

1868
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,054
because that's how you got on to
me, right? I think you were first

1869
01:27:48,054 --> 01:27:49,514
you first started
listening to the goss

1870
01:27:49,514 --> 01:27:50,806
and you sent me a message
or something.

1871
01:27:50,806 --> 01:27:53,141
I can't remember how. Yes.
This was during a phase

1872
01:27:53,141 --> 01:27:56,020
when I was reaching out
to just like a lot of podcasts

1873
01:27:56,020 --> 01:28:00,065
now was kind of doing
like the semi investigation.

1874
01:28:00,065 --> 01:28:02,819
Like how how are the people
doing that podcast?

1875
01:28:02,819 --> 01:28:04,569
What are some good tips
that I can take away?

1876
01:28:04,569 --> 01:28:07,657
And then also kind of like
connection wise. So I was

1877
01:28:07,657 --> 01:28:10,326
just reaching out. So yeah,
yeah, I would, I

1878
01:28:10,326 --> 01:28:11,743
would have listened
to a couple episodes

1879
01:28:11,743 --> 01:28:13,954
for sure. And.
I was amazed by that. Though

1880
01:28:13,954 --> 01:28:17,708
I get comments a lot of the time
on on the podcast or on YouTube,

1881
01:28:17,708 --> 01:28:21,253
those videos where there's
so many Americans

1882
01:28:21,253 --> 01:28:23,006
that are interested
in Australian English,

1883
01:28:23,006 --> 01:28:24,548
and I was just like.
Perplexed, Oh,

1884
01:28:24,548 --> 01:28:26,926
so you have no authority?
Why do you guys

1885
01:28:26,926 --> 01:28:31,389
give a shit about us?
Some of our downloads,

1886
01:28:31,389 --> 01:28:33,890
Like there was like
a big chunk of them and they were

1887
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:37,478
coming from Nepal. Wow.
There's like

1888
01:28:37,478 --> 01:28:41,649
Nepalese Sherpas up on
Mount Everest. You know, like.

1889
01:28:41,649 --> 01:28:46,279
That's all there is in Nepal.
Yeah. Yeah. Like. I remember

1890
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:49,782
that was like a big chunk
of Indian listeners for a while.

1891
01:28:49,782 --> 01:28:51,242
And I'm just wondering
if it's because, like,

1892
01:28:51,242 --> 01:28:54,578
just the very name itself
Miyamoto's is kind of like,

1893
01:28:54,578 --> 01:28:57,081
you know, Indians are
kind of like spiritual.

1894
01:28:57,081 --> 01:29:01,293
They like the, the, they've got a
lot of mythology

1895
01:29:01,293 --> 01:29:04,087
and things like this. I know mere
mortals is more of a. Yeah.

1896
01:29:04,087 --> 01:29:06,548
It's more of a like a lot.
I think it would just be

1897
01:29:06,548 --> 01:29:08,216
that spontaneous
kind of random thing

1898
01:29:08,216 --> 01:29:10,802
right where some person
stumbles across you

1899
01:29:10,802 --> 01:29:12,555
and then hands you off to,
you know, tells

1900
01:29:12,555 --> 01:29:14,015
a bunch of their friends
who tell a bunch

1901
01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:17,894
of their friends,
and then it ends up, you know,

1902
01:29:17,894 --> 01:29:20,438
taking a certain
little area and becoming

1903
01:29:20,438 --> 01:29:23,024
I remember being perplexed
with Aussie English. It makes

1904
01:29:23,024 --> 01:29:25,318
sort of more sense now.
But when I first got started

1905
01:29:25,318 --> 01:29:28,029
and I hadn't really kind
of reached saturation of,

1906
01:29:28,029 --> 01:29:29,363
you know, all the
different countries

1907
01:29:29,363 --> 01:29:31,823
that were fascinated
with migration to Australia,

1908
01:29:31,823 --> 01:29:35,744
it kind of just blew my mind
when one country would find me

1909
01:29:35,744 --> 01:29:37,662
and then it would
suddenly explode. Like I remember

1910
01:29:37,662 --> 01:29:40,207
Brazil for a while, I think
because I knew Brazilians

1911
01:29:40,207 --> 01:29:43,293
and I was learning Portuguese
and I'd done an interview

1912
01:29:43,293 --> 01:29:45,337
with some Brazilians and stuff.
It seemed to get there

1913
01:29:45,337 --> 01:29:46,963
really quickly and it took
over in Brazil,

1914
01:29:46,963 --> 01:29:49,091
but no other kind of
Central American or South

1915
01:29:49,091 --> 01:29:50,801
American countries
were listening to it.

1916
01:29:50,801 --> 01:29:52,595
And I remember it
just being so bizarre

1917
01:29:52,595 --> 01:29:55,472
that it's like just in this one
little area, but then

1918
01:29:55,472 --> 01:29:57,350
neighbouring countries
that you would think would have

1919
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:59,560
equal interest, just haven't
haven't found it yet.

1920
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,646
Don't give a shit. That's crazy.
Yeah. Looking at the stats,

1921
01:30:02,646 --> 01:30:04,689
you can sit there for ages
just being like, Oh my God,

1922
01:30:04,689 --> 01:30:08,528
I got my first downloaded green.
Yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah. Look,

1923
01:30:08,528 --> 01:30:09,987
there's like, you know,
a few thousand people

1924
01:30:09,987 --> 01:30:13,783
that live there. How the hell.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right.

1925
01:30:13,783 --> 01:30:17,912
We'll call it that for today.
And I'm sure we'll be chatting

1926
01:30:17,912 --> 01:30:18,662
in the near future.