To celebrate a milestone we're giving you a glimpse at the closest thing we've ever had to a business meeting (lol).
In Episode #400 of 'Meanderings', Juan & I discuss: dropping the care towards video because we're not YouTubers, general strategies around our use of social media, splitting the podcast into multiple audio streams vs just one feed, ideas around a potential fitness format and spicy questions of why we could break up.
Thanks to everyone who's joined us all this way, there's plenty more to come!
Timeline:
(0:00) - We all made it to 400!
(0:39) - Transparency (we didn't end up cutting anything)
(2:38) - Less long form vids, same amount of clips
(7:42) - Higher quality specific videos
(12:28) - Clips & the risk of platforms we don't control
(16:59) - We're not looking for emails
(20:16) - The important role of going live
(21:37) - One show vs multiple
(25:23) - A new fitness podcast
(32:38) - Choosing audio vs video
(37:44) - Who are close to MM T-shirts?
(39:09) - Who owns meremortalspodcast.com?
(40:25) - Money, fame & ambition
(47:57) - How to split the money
(56:31) - V4V or die
(1:02:39) - Book review changes & high quality editing
(1:06:48) - Sustainability & not chasing views
(1:10:25) - We don't want a big team
(1:12:33) - What could cause resentment?
(1:17:05) - Our progression over the years
(1:22:00) - V4V: No Ads and send some 4's & 0's
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Juan & Kyrin: Whoo! Dude 400.
Welcome everyone to episode
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400 of the mere mortals.
Yes, indeed.
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You do have Kyrin here.
You got Juan here.
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And it is for the 400.
My watch just got a Notification
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that the 9th of July 2023,
episode 400 as you
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got Juan here as well.
Yep. So we are recording
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this actually
a little bit prehand
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because we actually have
a bucks party on the
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the weekend before.
So we're going to
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do a little pre-recording
and this one is actually going
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to be a very focussed one.
So normally a meanderings we just
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dive off into different topics
and whatever it is
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that we've been thinking
about recently.
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Now this one is related to
my monthly goals actually,
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which is I wanted to have
a real good discussion
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with you about. The. I guess
podcast, Future Direction.
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Some business decisions, I think.
And you know,
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I was actually looking
at this and I was going,
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you know, maybe it's
better to do this off air
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because I got some spicy
questions for you. Right.
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And you know what?
I'm not even sure
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some of these we'd
want to put out. And then I went
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I had some experiences recently,
which I'll talk about. Yeah.
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It basically just made me go,
you know, if we need to,
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we can cut those ones at the end.
So there
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might be some cutting and
the, the main one of the
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great things
about values of value is actually
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the transparency.
And I think we did that
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well and yeah,
I wanted to do that so but yeah,
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just for episode 400, man.
I got a journey. I guess I'm
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trying to be transparent.
In today's conversation, but yes,
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we might have some
latitude in some of the
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conversations that happened
towards the tail end.
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So yeah, yeah. Yes, episode 400.
So, you know, if you have stuck.
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Around with us, I mean,
I would only say that
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there would be
a handful of people
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who have stuck around
since the very, very beginning
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in the sense that.
I don't think anyone.
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Family members or friends.
If anyone out there who has
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if you have listened
to every single
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episode we've ever put out
anything like, yeah, kudos,
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you know, price like, well done.
Thank you very much
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for sticking around for.
That entire time. So I guess
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today's conversation
is going to be. It's slightly
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probably going to be a
look back in terms
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of what we've tried.
Done before. Yes. Yeah. And then.
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What are we thinking about.
In moving towards the future?
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I mean, and once again,
this is a part where
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we might, as we. Go through.
Put some questions to you,
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fix me. More.
Lots of time of okay,
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what are some. Things
that you might be seeing
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that we should be doing. As well?
Could it be influencing
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the things we're doing now?
And as we start articulating
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what we're thinking
in the future, you can kind of
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give us some guidance.
Well, yes or no? Maybe.
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So what should be done? Know what
you want to begin
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with in this episode. Okay, So.
I got a whole lot of notes here.
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Let's start off
with the video aspect.
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So basically, one of the things
I've just been thinking
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recently was I kind of
I don't want to stop the video,
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but I want to stop as
a lot of the effort
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that I'm putting into it,
especially when it comes to ones
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where I'm not creating
clips from it. So these
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two clicks were outdoors,
got the good cameras
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that that's great.
The conversations
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which I have in person
or even that have good
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video quality. So for example,
if you look at the video quality
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between the one I did with Pete
Smithson and the one I did
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with Chris Fisher
and Chris's was just
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a lot more blurry.
He was in a darker room.
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It I just looked at and I went
and the clips that I create from
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this won't be visually appealing.
So that's kind of the
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point of creating a clip.
And you know,
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we've been doing video
since the very get go and so what
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I have just learned from
that is there's just no
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real point. I think for the
the ones which
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just aren't like that,
the people just don't
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watch them, to be honest.
And I'm sick of
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creating long things
which people aren't watching.
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Do you? Well,
so when you say you're
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talking specifically
on the long form video.
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Long form videos
that I post on YouTube,
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they get 16 views
and I'm at least three
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or four of them because I jump to
and from that because I'm copying
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links and checking
that it's making me go.
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Right to say specifically
the amount of effort
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that it takes
to create the long form.
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Two How much is being video?
It is just like, okay,
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this is not valuable. Yeah.
Is that also. Coming to
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the consideration of okay.
And then the subsequent
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short clips on my. Come from it?
Well, that's the thing
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I would not use.
No, because I'm not the
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I have tried creating some clips
and you created some from
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one of the crappy looking videos
I would say, or you know
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it's ten ADP
are not as high quality
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but they just don't
really seem to do anything
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to be honest. And I feel like I'm
at the max clip capacity already.
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So adding more on
top of that, I'm just I'm
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not sure is going to do anything.
So I think do you feel like
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I mean from say,
you were sitting through
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all of the past episodes.
We've definitely done
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the video clips,
the high end video clips
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and try to make it as crisp.
And the lighting
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and everything like.
That as you're suggesting
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you're thinking
through as we move forward
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that we do like things
like meanderings or add those.
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Yep. Will definitely
still have the.
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The video quality.
And the clipping and whatnot.
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But when we do site
is an example for people
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maybe listening at home.
What would be one
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that said you won't
see videos anymore so. Well so
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the live ones for example
I don't mind doing the video
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as long as I have to put
in zero effort basically.
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So what I'm thinking
is, you know,
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I've got my whole process
of I create chapters
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and then because
the live video has
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a section at the start,
I have to alter
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all the timestamps
and I have to copy from here
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and onto the other section.
I'm thinking just having
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did a lot video
and then I've just got to
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know that the top saying,
check it if you want chapters,
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if you want all the good stuff,
go check out the audio.
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Gotcha. So using Blunt.
So not even putting the
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effort around the chapters
and what like the timing
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and all that is because.
No one's watching known
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no one's using it.
So, you know, this is
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kind of getting into the. What.
Do we want to become?
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And I look at
podcasts like Lex and,
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you know, Joe Rogan educating
and things like that.
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And I just don't think
that I particularly want to be
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like them, to be honest.
And this will get into the
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the kind of branding section.
But I'll save that
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for a little bit. So
one of the other things is
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even with the clips,
to be honest, man, so
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we get a lot of negative
comments in there and.
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Well, I'll be.
Let's not say straight.
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Up negative.
This is a fake podcast.
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What's this fucking boldy
talking about? Well, you know,
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there's a lot of that.
Now, but be specific.
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Are you saying
we get negative comments
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on every single clip
or do you get negative comments?
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The ones not that that's
that's even ones where it's it's
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non-controversial. That's just
just someone talking
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about some random stuff and there
there's this recent thing
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on the Pod news weekly
where James was ranting
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against Joe Rogan
and he is very much a he
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he doesn't like Joe Rogan.
So just having this full
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rant against him
saying he's an awful man.
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But Oliver. And you know what
the basis. For that was?
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Does he he has a grudge
against him. Yeah. That they need
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more context
and he got a boost Graham
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in saying like, James,
you're a hateful person,
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you need a lot and blah
blah, blah, blah. Like basically
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a very kind of negative
comment towards James.
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But he got paid for that
and it was kind of like,
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well, you know what? If if people
are calling me a bully
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and whatnot, that's fine.
I don't really care that much,
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but I would like
to get paid for it.
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If you're going to do that.
If I'm if it's taking out
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my mental space,
my mental energy, I would like
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that at the very least. So
it's just
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yeah, I just got to say, like the
the YouTube experiment
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that we've been doing
the past three years, I would say
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I haven't put enough effort
into becoming a YouTuber.
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That's a fake. And I would say
I don't want to that
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It's like equivalently
for both of us. Yeah.
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When I say it in the sense
that both of us know,
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when you think of, Hey,
you want to excel
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at YouTube and get
the great money
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that comes from that.
Oh, in other social media
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platforms
you really have to go real
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heavy with
That could be from a lot.
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Of great money as. Well.
You think from like Mr.
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Beast type perspective
where you're making, you know,
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millions of dollars. But you're.
Spending millions and dollars
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in your production values
and what you're putting out
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and what you're putting together
so you can go all the way
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to like high. End looking view
or you make money in.
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Well, as you say, in
in harnessing the. I want some
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some part of good
but a lot of the bad of humanity
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in that you bring him
these challenges.
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This chaos this.
I'm going to play
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something purely
for the variation
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that it might make a lot
of people cause you have.
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This havoc between
people conversing where
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I guess the outcome
of making money from it.
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Is achieved,
but in other qualities is
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a good maybe not, maybe.
Not the way. And
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I don't know. I've never. Maybe
there's only, you know,
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of the last 400 episodes.
And, you know, the last three
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plus years
that we've been doing this
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for almost coming up
to four years ago.
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Have I ever looked at YouTube
is where we're going
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to be making our money.
Not really. Not necessarily,
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but I guess in challenge
to what you've been saying.
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So I think you're
moving towards a path now.
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Where you're looking to
potentially travel again
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and be abroad. And so
the reality of
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creating clips in time
that it takes and doing
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a lot of editing.
That's just not realistic.
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Yeah, really from
from that perspective,
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I guess I I'm starting
to move down
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more of a path of actually
I want to get even
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more quality, even more.
I want to even in. The video
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you're in the videos.
Absolutely. So like. More
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but less. Volume. And I guess
he has a differentiation
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for, as you say, from the
podcast and perspective.
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I think it's all about
long form conversations.
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I agree that. Some of the videos
for just the video sake,
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for the long form,
it's not really useful.
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And I at least now or maybe
people can correct me.
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And I mean, if you listen to us
in a long form
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on video on YouTube.
Please someone message us
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and tell us this.
But even I know myself
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personally,
the ones that I've seen
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on long form, on video,
like on YouTube sometimes.
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I mean, really, you know,
like Friedman,
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sometimes a few others.
But to be frank, I'll never
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I've never watched a full podcast
episode on YouTube.
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Never ever how I don't So. I have
and you have you you.
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Do now so I'm not saying
that no one does.
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I certainly I don't.
And then I go
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even on podcast place,
say Joe Rogan on Spotify. I don't
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what's the video quality.
To enable it
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to. Watch the full video.
I still don't watch his video
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normally, still day to day.
The way I consume podcasts
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is not watching a screen.
It's listening. Hmm.
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So that does.
Make me reflect. On okay.
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Doing a podcast
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to create eventual clips.
Look, that's fun.
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Like are we doing idols? Yeah.
Because while the majority
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of individuals
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in a video format,
they will listen to it
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and an audio offline
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clips from it and create
lots of. Value from that
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in different ways.
Totally happy with. That.
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We'll talk about that as well.
So I kind of started stretching.
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My way to All right. From a
whether it's the books, right
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when we're talking about
me, memorials, you know, books.
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Channel or book review,
some of the things.
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I'm wanting to progress down to
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if I want to do that,
I want to do it properly.
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I want to do video, but have it
on the high quality end,
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but most certainly not
in this volume, long form.
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Tedious editing and no
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And so that's where
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into where I'm
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an hour editing like.
Hour long videos with
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images and the like for,
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amount of people.
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that's not the way.
I consume them.
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However, the way I consume
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Through listening
through audience.
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I want it to be sharp and good.
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And so I do need it to be
a high quality end of camera
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use, let's say, for instance.
And so, you know, whether
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I got. Time to add to.
Mine, we've got two.
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Cameras in my mind.
I've go. Hey, so in that.
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Relation, I'd go, okay,
maybe investing in an.
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Extra camera to have at
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Would be a doable thing.
If it enables me to have
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higher quality
than just 1080 people.
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So I guess that's
some of my thoughts
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as we venture into this.
Yeah, I'll kind of sum up
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just my learnings.
One YouTube is a platform
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we don't own, so if we get
good on there, if you got tons of
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subscribers, you're
very much at the mercy of
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the whims of YouTube. Yeah.
So just from a kind of
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strategic standpoint,
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The energy input is
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If we were getting lots
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for example, on the long
form ones which were not, every
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one of those episodes
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All of the long form ones,
I think the quality is
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paying off,
especially these ones, the
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meandering outdoor ones. I think
visually they look good.
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Yeah, sure, we could have a third
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don't like stills
for most of this. Sorry.
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Specifically third camera.
I didn't mean here.
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I mean it might like. Yeah, yeah.
But even just in for this and
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there's a I created a mini clip
just to remind myself
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from Adam Cory
talking about this but and
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when I look at the people
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I would rather be like
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Fisher rather than Lex
Freedman and Jocko.
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and they have a list of
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repeat them all here, but
yeah, so, so that's,
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that's kind of like
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I'll still put them out
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going to be wireless that's the
there used to be
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this obligation in my mind
like I've got to create
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a along form thing for everyone.
I got to release it at this time.
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It's just
it's taken me like three
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and a half years to realise, Oh,
it doesn't really matter
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that much. Right, right.
The clips. So what
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you're talking about, how
they were kind of important.
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So why are they important?
I guess So. Just from
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your perspective,
what could you use
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to judge a metrics of it's
doing what you want it to do?
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What do you want it to do?
And I'll I've got
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some thoughts on that. But yes,
I think the clips. So ultimately.
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The eyeballs. On watching
what you're doing
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and from a video perspective, so.
Purely the.
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Metric of impressions,
not useful, not useful in the end
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here, the end outcome,
what am I optimising
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for is. Build.
A community of people
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who watch the mere mortals
and will in some way, shape
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or form one, provide value
back to us
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because we're providing
value back to them.
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And so in a clip format,
my mentality is, okay,
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what I want to optimise for is.
Clips or. Items like I'm talking
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like a minute 90 seconds
video clips from things
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that we're creating that
give people a bit of an insight
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into what we've. Talked about,
have some value that maybe wants.
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Them to make some go and.
Listen to the long form or point.
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Them to whatever it is
that we're talking about.
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That's interesting,
encourages participation,
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but ultimately of
some portion of those.
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Wants to connect through
to the mere mortals
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as whether it's, you know,
the way that.
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People can support us.
Everybody screams or.
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You know, as we're setting up
the patron
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stream, things like that,
that's like not producing
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pipe out people on a website.
So through those formats,
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that's the encouragement
of Eclipse. Less specifically
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at the stage on
impressions followers.
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Now that being said,
we don't know
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where the future of things
of a lot of social media
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go through.
We've just seen recently
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Instagram threads.
Sort of come out that's giving
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some insights
that might, you know, allow you
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to bring over your followers
into other streams like
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Mastodon and other places.
So yeah, that might.
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Shift the mentality
of some of these things
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that we're doing.
If it builds up community
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in that perspective,
at least for me,
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I go, it's beneficial.
If it. Increases
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the participation.
Of people in our. Memorials,
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you know, ecosystem.
Which that includes
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getting us not only back
through the formats that we're
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making available.
So my, my general thoughts clips
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are good for building
followers on a platform,
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once again, a platform that
we don't get to control. But I
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think there's a game
to be played and that
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that game can be useful.
So that what,
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what can you do with them?
I think if you have a lot,
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it does open some doors.
If you've got,
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you know, ten, 20,000
followers on somewhere
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and you could do a call
to reach out to a guest
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that you want to have on.
Yeah, that is a
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lot more impactful
than if you have 200.
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So there is a a benefit for that.
Certainly. Which which can pay
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some kind of like longer
hidden dividends which you,
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you don't get to see. But, but
I think that isn't one of
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the things that Adam Curry
and John C Dvorak say on
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no agenda is the email is kind
of one of their
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crucial components
in letting the people know,
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you know,
new episodes coming out.
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This is what we're going
to be talking about in this one.
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Reminder. And the big thing is
the reminder.
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This is a value for value show.
We can't continue
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without your support.
I think I could somewhat see
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the Instagram or
the Facebook or whatever
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becoming our mechanism for that.
We haven't focussed on trying
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to get people's emails.
I don't particularly want
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to get people's emails and
I don't know about you.
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This is could just be me.
I don't use email much.
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I, I feel like it's a
like a dying technology
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in some ways because it's just,
you know, they're taking it
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out of the RSS
feeds, for example.
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People have been a
bit more private about it.
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I don't know, maybe it's
that that's one of the things
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that will stay around. You know,
one of the good things
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about emails is it's
one of those platform
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non-dependent If you have
someone's email, you can always
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reach out to them.
Even if you get blocked off
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your email kind of outlook,
you can just, you know,
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if you have that list,
you just move on
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to Protonmail or whatever. Yeah,
I mean. That's a big way.
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I mean, Tim
Ferriss talks about it.
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Others like James Clea
and a few others who've,
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you know,
turned blogs into books, that's
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one of the main metrics
that's used to sell
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to a book company
in relation to how
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I can make a book and I can sell
because I've got 2 million people
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subscribed by email,
so I can send it out to them.
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Yes, I can turn it into
a percentage of sales. Yeah.
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I think our problem is
neither of us a text guys
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we don't exceed in the
writing of things down. And I,
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I think that would be kind
of our our shortcoming
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but we could make up for that by
creating engaging clips,
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which I think we do.
And that can be a kind
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of figured feed
mechanism in terms
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of like reminding people
as a show, Hey,
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we need your support.
And I can see those
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platforms even though
we're relying on the platform,
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you know,
if we've got five of them.
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And I think that could be
a useful, a useful tool in the
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in the tool trust.
So in acquiring emails
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from people. No, no,
I, I don't think email, you know,
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I, I have no real interest
in trying to get people's emails.
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I, this is one of those
trade offs where I'd go,
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you know, I think I'm
a lot more comfortable
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with the centralised taking that
bet that gamble
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on the centralised platforms
not kicking us off and us
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using our natural skills,
being more visual and audio
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creative and animated
rather than text,
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because I'm just not I'm
not a good writer.
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I'm not going to create
engaging emails. I don't know
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how to do that.
And I it's not a natural
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skill that I have.
You know, my worst
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subject in high school
was English by far. So
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yeah, yeah, that's it's
just one of those ones where I go
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the clips I think are good
for building
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what we want to build and,
and that building
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will actually be on more
centralised platforms
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rather than something
like email which is
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more decentralised.
So the other one just in
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terms of video
was the live aspect. So
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being able to do things live
that does get more engagement
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from people and I'm
only just starting to test it out
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now with the value
for value show.
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If that goes well,
I want to move on
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the book reviews.
If that goes well, I want
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to personally reach out
to Boss Sprout and be like, Hey,
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just give me this small
access to my own RSS feed.
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I acknowledge, like the risks,
but you know,
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this is how I can go,
you know, pending live ended.
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And that's just like a
broadcast mechanism
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and it like it works
well on that.
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So I sent in a big row
of docs to the the podcast
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and two point
and I was telling one like,
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you know that that's
a relatively large number
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that will get some,
some people talking
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and now we got
absolutely overshadowed
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because one dude sent in 1.1
million 101 million like.
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Eight. Once in a row. Yeah.
And I just went like
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first of all, time
absolutely overshadowed
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us. Good, good on you. I think
that was Stephen Bell.
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But they get a lot of support
from people doing it live
442
00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:31,279
and I was doing it live on.
I think that oh, that's that's
443
00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:33,440
kind of one of the things
to focus on. So. All right.
444
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,680
Video. So that's kind of
our positions on that branding.
445
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,559
What do you think of the multiple
shows versus single effort?
446
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:47,160
So we've talked about this
in the past and we talked about
447
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:49,200
how our initial things
and especially you were saying,
448
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,519
yeah, Jocko tried this, he tried
multiple podcasts,
449
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,880
he brought it all back into one.
This other person
450
00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:57,880
tried multiple streams.
He he brought it back into
451
00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:04,160
one and I look at that and then I
look at once again Adam Curry
452
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,359
and Chris Fisher.
And what they do is they have
453
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,359
multiple shows that got,
you know,
454
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,519
out a curry and the keeper.
They've got no agenda.
455
00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:13,160
They've got podcasting 2.0
He's got a
456
00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:15,240
he had one called Mo Facts
and he's going to start up
457
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,599
a new live music one or music
Billboard charts type one
458
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,759
Chris Fisher the same
with all of his Linux
459
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,519
shows and self
hosting and things.
460
00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:28,279
What are your thoughts on that
in terms of branching out
461
00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:30,720
versus moving in again? Well.
I mean, let's just be specific
462
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,640
on what it means branching out.
You're talking about
463
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,079
multiple podcasts. Multiple.
But again, to be very clear,
464
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,359
you mean separate
podcasting RSS feeds,
465
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,079
correct? Right. So we don't say
let's just say
466
00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:43,480
we wanted to create
a new one around here
467
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,000
and saying or something
about fitness.
468
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,200
I think fitness would be
it wouldn't. Be the same means.
469
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,079
That would be like you wouldn't
find it in the stream
470
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,400
of the memorials podcast,
not be on the
471
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:56,440
Anyone called me Immortals
Fitness, some of that
472
00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:03,960
and some like that, right?
Yeah. I still think that I would
473
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,519
love to see more numbers.
Around it, because what I want to
474
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,519
say though is that
you just presented around
475
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:13,039
Adam Curry. Chris Fisher I go.
Give me some more giving someone
476
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,079
give me some more examples
of where people having
477
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:19,079
multiple podcasts very.
Separate to each other. Worked.
478
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:23,119
Better than having the single one
where everything came from.
479
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,359
I kind of guys,
I gave the example of Lex,
480
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,640
though, the example of JUCO.
Tim has done this as well.
481
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,279
He stopped doing. That as well
at the very large
482
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:35,759
and at the very like.
Broad scale. At least. Podcast
483
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,039
I'm saying.
Doesn't work that well
484
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,240
or at least people are pulling
back away from it now.
485
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,920
Is that because they.
You know, ultimate outcome
486
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,920
better optimisation.
Okay, we want to have as.
487
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,319
Much eyeballs in the one
product maybe works.
488
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,559
Our way in the.
Chris Fisher example.
489
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:54,240
So I wonder, so Chris, is it,
you know, at
490
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,799
the moment let's just say.
You know,
491
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,039
trying to be transparent,
how much are you making per year
492
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,480
income wise on all these
different podcasts? Right.
493
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,279
You know, are we talking $10.
Million or nothing? No way.
494
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,319
It'd be like enough
to get by for him.
495
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,960
A couple of people that he hires.
And I would be thinking
496
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,920
probably in a
half a million range
497
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,240
if I had to guess.
Right across all of them.
498
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,559
So like multiply by ten times.
In viewership was like 10th.
499
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,720
I mean, now that might not
translate to ten times
500
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,440
the earnings.
We'll just like ten times
501
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:27,079
the viewership.
I go, if it was ten bucks
502
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,559
not above, that would
the same principles apply
503
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:33,599
as in having the multiple
different podcasts work better?
504
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,359
Or at that point it's
you start getting even.
505
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,839
Bigger hours ago.
Actually, it's even better
506
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,440
just having it on one go.
And then, you know, you a10x it.
507
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,519
And perhaps. As Tim says, not
every single podcast is.
508
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,400
For everybody
and you might only get
509
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,200
a certain percentage
of your viewership.
510
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,559
He's I. Think it's
I can't remember if.
511
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,440
It was 20. Percent
or something like that,
512
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,359
but I think it's. You know,
you only get
513
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,519
20% of your viewership
checking out each
514
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,759
and every single. One, but
you have a larger. Base who's
515
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:57,240
going to continuously
come in, check in
516
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,880
when they feel it
to be important. I kind of go,
517
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,279
well, is there,
you know, by the numbers
518
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,440
I would love to see,
does it get to a point
519
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,920
that's actually is not worth
having multiple you actually get
520
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,519
a better bang back
buck for your money.
521
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:14,519
In terms of having an all.
In one, even though you don't
522
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,160
get as much viewership
because you've got
523
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,039
a broader base.
And it's actually easier
524
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:21,039
to manage than having multiple.
Multiple people. So here's an
525
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,200
I guess an example.
Now myself, I'm not. Sure
526
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,119
I was thinking in.
My mind in the following
527
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,839
year, I want to start a.
A particular podcast of I'll.
528
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:34,799
Be putting down the my training,
my like daily training
529
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,799
basically on a week basis.
And, you know,
530
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,759
I think it got a total of
like 60 views,
531
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,799
70 views on the page. So I went.
Okay, I'm going to stop doing it
532
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,920
for a few weeks
because obviously there's
533
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,319
not enough eyeballs to
for me to be doing it
534
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,519
for whatever reason.
It was taking some effort
535
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,880
for me to actually do that,
let's say half an hour
536
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,720
for me to put it together.
But I'm slowly doing it
537
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:54,480
internally to my view.
And then one of the.
538
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,799
Things I thought. This could be
a pretty easy one,
539
00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,799
maybe valuable for people
used to create a podcast
540
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:01,920
where I basically do
the web page, put it together
541
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,119
and actually talk
through the week's
542
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,279
training in terms
of how this what I'm.
543
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,799
Doing, this. Reason type
just work, this sort of
544
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,319
training for this
particular reason.
545
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,799
This is week seven of hat. Squat,
this. Is whatever, right?
546
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:15,359
And so there might be some value
in the very minutiae of
547
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,519
training that I'm doing.
That at the very least.
548
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:18,599
For me, I go, okay, well,
that would.
549
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,960
Encourage me to put the
website again together.
550
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,319
But also I would only be
an extra 20 minutes for me
551
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,720
to just quickly record
something that's already
552
00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:29,519
presented. I'm just using
a visualisation. It's very easy
553
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,319
for me to create. So I kind of
want to do that.
554
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,799
I don't know when I will
begin it, but I want
555
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,480
I don't want to just start
a brand new RSS podcast,
556
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,079
you know, if I can wait,
there's no way.
557
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,000
I wanted to create
brand new branding,
558
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,960
brand new training style
brand news.
559
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,440
So for me it's like it's
another area to manage.
560
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,359
It's another whole set of
commentary to manage
561
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,359
because as you start
spreading out and you've only got
562
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,319
you got no one else sort
of supporting you, I go.
563
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,799
Well, I don't want to go
flicking. Between like,
564
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,160
what would you might do
now between a valley for valley
565
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,599
or Spanglish phrases
and use some of that
566
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:02,480
to go and check out
all the comments to go
567
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,599
on, respond to them to
then slip back to go and.
568
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,599
Look at something else.
And that might seem.
569
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,279
Insignificant in the
like the small scale,
570
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:10,720
but over time you go,
okay, that's enough
571
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,640
that I'm like, I don't want.
To I don't want to have to
572
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,960
go and manage a whole. Nother.
Nother list of this
573
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,640
or length of timing loss.
I just don't have that.
574
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,640
Put it to put it to me. I'd go
if I really wanted to create
575
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,559
a brand new like podcast
to do that, like a new stream,
576
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:28,079
it would almost.
Push me at the moment. Yeah, I'm
577
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,640
starting to do that.
I would I would ask,
578
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,680
how do you keep. It underneath
the stream of the memo?
579
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,680
This podcast was wouldn't
do it at all. Let's go.
580
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Okay. Yeah. Not valuable
enough to start it, doesn't you?
581
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,319
I guess that's I guess that's
some of my thoughts.
582
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,480
Although there is
definitely places
583
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,240
like Chris Fisher and Adam Curry
that you've mentioned.
584
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,519
Way can work.
But this is one way. We'll,
585
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,519
we'll have to probably
discuss more off air.
586
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:53,200
The the thing with that is
I'm not sure you imagining
587
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,720
the experience of someone on
their phone and seeing six
588
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,759
like six episodes a week.
So the book reviews
589
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,720
the value for value
the mere mortals.
590
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,720
If we put all the fitness,
if we put all that into one feed,
591
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,759
that is just a massive, gigantic
clusterfuck of a feed. So it is.
592
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,319
It is a good point.
It is a good point. I guess the
593
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:18,400
you know,
and as much as I just said
594
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,880
that that I when actually
the split of the book
595
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,960
reviews and the podcast, that one
was the right thing
596
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,039
that was definitely
the right thing.
597
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,680
I wouldn't see that to.
Be connected at all.
598
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,359
Maybe in the fitness space
I'm slightly triggering towards
599
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,519
or leaning towards that.
You know, we talk about fitness
600
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,279
quite a bit in our monthly goals
and a few other places.
601
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,279
It kind of fits
in a similar sense
602
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,279
that we do monthly goals.
You know, there's the
603
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,000
monthly goals really fit.
With the other things
604
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,680
we do in the podcast
and conversations.
605
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,079
Yeah, you could make ways
as to what that it does
606
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:51,920
and some ways that
it doesn't look.
607
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,839
So in this, in this case,
what I'm imagining is
608
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,960
a separate fitness feed. And so,
you know, make
609
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,119
cutting out the videos
this so all portions
610
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:04,119
of the videos,
this will give me a bit
611
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:06,960
more free time.
What I was imagining
612
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,799
was a fitness podcast
of some sort.
613
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:09,519
I'm not sure exactly
what you had in mind.
614
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,039
I had a couple of ideas as well.
It could be one where it's
615
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:17,000
is just you, it's
just me or it's both of us
616
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,279
or a mix of that,
but definitely the niche
617
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:25,079
on the fitness. Yep.
And you wouldn't
618
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:28,640
need to jump everywhere
unless once again,
619
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:33,240
you're creating videos this,
this highly technical video
620
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,599
that you're talking about.
I'm more imagining
621
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:40,160
the week we create it up.
We set up the feed
622
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:44,079
that doesn't need to have
extra stuff, get you going
623
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:47,039
here and you go in now
the best grams we've got
624
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,519
that link to the discord.
We've just got multiple channels,
625
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:53,960
each being like fitness podcasts.
Boost two grams minimal
626
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,519
to space, two grams book reviews
boost two grams. Value for value
627
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:03,000
based on grams, whatever.
I, I think that yeah we
628
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,599
can talk more about that.
Yeah I think
629
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,480
and I guess this comes
to another part with I'm
630
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,240
thinking from the fitness
one so unless I guess
631
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720
in my mind at the moment,
I guess this is
632
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,279
a deviation of the time
where we sit in probably Valley
633
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,480
Four Valley and all that sits.
But if also bring in
634
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,759
a new RSS feed for, say,
Memorial Fitness,
635
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:21,720
I'm not going to go on
to the thing.
636
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,599
So the forgetting base
you can sort as wonder like that.
637
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:27,759
That to me at the moment
is not a realistic value
638
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,880
in that lens. Like I,
I just think like I. Don't
639
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
care to get any money
from that perspective.
640
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
I'm purely doing it
because it enables
641
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,319
people to like the I guess the.
Value of for me to put.
642
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:43,359
Out something like that isn't
for me to get returned money.
643
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:46,079
It's to help out others
who want to like kind of
644
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:50,400
get themselves my fitness
or help them out
645
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,160
perspective on my training
or get feedback of.
646
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,759
My own training.
That's enough of a value
647
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,519
that I go.
How are you going to know
648
00:30:54,759 --> 00:31:01,640
if you're giving them value?
It would be. Because we don't
649
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:05,160
get comments which say, Thank you
for creating this in. You know,
650
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,039
I really got value
from this in terms of
651
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,559
on on YouTube, on
the Instagram, on Twitter,
652
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,839
on Facebook. Now. Yeah,
that's a good point that.
653
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,440
We don't get anything.
Well, we get it as is
654
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,680
through the Brewster gram.
So once again, like,
655
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,839
you know, the
the money side of things
656
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,359
is is nice but the
the content the receiving
657
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,359
of something back is the.
Yeah I mean that
658
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,319
that's that's a good.
Call that I think in
659
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,680
I was just thinking
through on the fly to put out
660
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,720
a let's say a video like that
on a week to week basis
661
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,759
which also would be a podcast
like an audio format.
662
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,240
My ask would it be cool
hey sent me through
663
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,319
would be something like
it wouldn't be. That's not
664
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,279
what I would be saying in
those ones would be.
665
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,000
If you want to check out
more. Broader
666
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,839
memories conversations,
go check out here.
667
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,799
Also do book reviews, but.
More specifically to
668
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,200
what I just talked about
is a feedback on my training is
669
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,880
are things here
that you want to know
670
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,880
more about now? In particular,
I was trying to source
671
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,480
people putting. Emails
onto our website to. Submit
672
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,039
if they would want to get
more very specific training. Why?
673
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,599
Because I could be another.
Source of supporting people out
674
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,640
in. Other ways
of getting income. Right.
675
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,960
So but quite specifically.
To the. Boost to grams. Right.
676
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Like again, I want to be
transparent with them. Like I'm
677
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,000
not at the moment.
It really would be if.
678
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,480
I was to spend the
how many hours would it
679
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:27,839
take to get it all set up.
So it's probably
680
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,519
going through in a
advertising well,
681
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,000
not advertising.
But putting it properly
682
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,359
through and. Doing the
the clips and the timings
683
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,759
and everything to that
same. Level of quality.
684
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,680
That our existing mere mortals.
Government
685
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,440
or if it's audio focus now
it sounds like you want it
686
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,559
to be video focussed is Yeah.
That's why I would want it.
687
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,960
Yeah definitely be video
aspects for this one.
688
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,720
I want aspects of video focussed
so it's very different.
689
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,559
Video aspects as in
this would be displaying things
690
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:57,000
the whole time through a video
but articulating with enough
691
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,599
through the audio of what
I'm talking. Through. Yeah I'm,
692
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:03,559
I, I think you're you're
you're forcing it.
693
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:07,319
You got to pick one or the other.
So I think if you want to
694
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:11,160
do video go the full route.
Don't even bother putting
695
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,039
an audio podcast out.
If you're going to be
696
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,319
showing things Now once again,
you can do it with the
697
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,440
the chapter images.
Not many people use it,
698
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:24,519
so you'd have to be saying that.
And I know you don't
699
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:26,039
create chapters because
you don't seem like
700
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:27,799
you don't care about it
that much, which is fine.
701
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:31,519
I do. So I put them in.
I would pick one or the other.
702
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,920
I wouldn't, I wouldn't go.
I guess I'd, I'd.
703
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,920
I'd say at least
from my perspective,
704
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:41,119
it sounds wrong. In an example
I've just
705
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,640
very recently listened to,
which is biology
706
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:49,160
with Peter McCormack in that
that was a conversation
707
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:51,880
where it very heavily
favoured watching it
708
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,720
on video. Correct.
Didn't give a shit,
709
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,119
listen to an audio
the whole time.
710
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,440
So if it was like, like
in fact I was like
711
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720
there was some point for.
Sure that I went, Man,
712
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,960
I really kind of
wish I could see that.
713
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,720
But I was listening to it
when I was working out.
714
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,359
I kind of I was like,
I interpret what's going.
715
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,039
On here through the audio
version now. I did.
716
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,159
I did just enough to enable that.
If you don't, then I would.
717
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,599
Say, okay, well,
this is almost pointless
718
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,280
because there's a lot of,
hey, look at this.
719
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,159
Hey, watch this video.
This is the case with Joe Rogan
720
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,280
a lot of the times
where they might watch
721
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,119
a video on TV or something
happening for 10 minutes.
722
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,559
And from an audio format,
you're like, man, I don't know
723
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,719
what the hell is going on.
That's kind of it. We might skip
724
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,159
through this. So I,
I could definitely see
725
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,639
myself putting in a video
and audio where there's enough.
726
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,760
Of a. Conversion to the audio
that I'm talking through,
727
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,320
which, look, to be honest,
what would be on a video
728
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:42,199
would be presenting of,
you know, the first part
729
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,920
and the strength
basis and skill set
730
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,639
and the power bases.
But it would be
731
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960
in the conversation of me
articulate, okay,
732
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
we of all had squat
this is what generally
733
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000
might be allowed etc.
that you're not going
734
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,719
to get from the video.
The videos are going
735
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,159
to have that.
It's just going to be
736
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,800
a static view of a page.
So I'd say you could. And I think
737
00:34:56,599 --> 00:35:01,159
in listening to the
if if also say
738
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,639
that yours was correct,
I'll go double.
739
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,079
I would not have like
for me like I would
740
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,320
I mean, a. Listener I'd gone now.
I didn't work because
741
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:10,159
I were talking about.
Charts and things and.
742
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,679
Look at this chart. And I went,
I kind of understood it
743
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,199
even without. Having a look
at the charts directly.
744
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,239
Yeah. Which I guess
is the differentiation.
745
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,920
I guess for us still.
That it comes to.
746
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,800
There's a lot of features
in the app,
747
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,880
you know, podcasting to an
I around, hey.
748
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,559
You can look at the image
that I'm talking about podcasts.
749
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,960
Stuff like that. Which I think
is the difference. Between us,
750
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,719
where I think for you that is a,
that's a valuable thing.
751
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,800
And I think
for the way that you might
752
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,840
consume podcasts,
it seems useful.
753
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,280
Whereas for me still I go
lots of seems useful
754
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,480
in some very limited
remote concepts
755
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,480
in the way that I listen.
Podcasts. Yeah,
756
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:49,320
well to your question before the
setting it all up
757
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239
and now it wouldn't
take long for the audio.
758
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,760
Per each one. Not that,
not just just one.
759
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,559
To just go to stream.
You've got the podcast.
760
00:35:56,119 --> 00:36:00,800
It wouldn't be any different
from log into Sprout.
761
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,039
Whatever you do now,
it would just be setting
762
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:08,119
up a new feed, setting up
the splits that you want
763
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,639
for that feed, and then it's
just the same,
764
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:16,440
the exact same process. So
yeah, I'm
765
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:19,880
much more mindful of the
I think like polluting
766
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:22,400
a feed is what I would
kind of colon where it's
767
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,559
you just chucking.
It's like if, if it's
768
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,559
what you're imagining
that sounds like a solo
769
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:31,559
type deal.
I don't think I want that
770
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:33,039
getting mixed up without
our main feed. Gotcha.
771
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,920
Because those are conversations
is what people come there for.
772
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,480
I would view that
as just as different
773
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,480
as kind of the book
reviews, to be honest. Yeah,
774
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,719
I was thinking it through
as well in terms of,
775
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,119
well, if I was to do more
fitness things, what if I had
776
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:48,000
conversations with people
in the fitness space?
777
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,079
Then I went, Well, I would
want that to be in.
778
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,599
The Mere Mortals podcast because
we do have conversations that.
779
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:54,480
That would just be streams
in the fitness, kind of similar
780
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,920
to how Joe Rogan
would have a may ones
781
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,280
and then normal
sort of conversations
782
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,119
and not different numbers.
But underneath the one
783
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,119
stream I kind of guy.
Well, I really wouldn't
784
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:05,000
want to do it.
As a separate altogether
785
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,159
podcast line where
there's just fitness.
786
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,119
I would just go, Well,
that would just form
787
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,559
on the conversations
within the mere mortals.
788
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,599
So I kind of go, Okay, what?
I really just want to
789
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,320
have one. Off with this.
Particular fitness thing
790
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,360
talking about this,
but then bring it again
791
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,440
into the mere mortals.
Guide Okay, Would
792
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,199
that create confusion.
For people as well? I actually,
793
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:28,199
I guess I haven't thought
through what. Would be
794
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,599
and stay better for people
who are consuming it
795
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,800
as well. Yeah.
Let's talk about this more
796
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,760
because I've got some ideas
and I think there's a way
797
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,760
that we can do it
and set it up, but
798
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,440
probably not in
the next couple of months.
799
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,559
But after that,
I think I think that's on.
800
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:44,639
I've got some thoughts on
that. Yep.
801
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,440
Just a couple of random things.
I did promise that I would
802
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,960
give a shout out to people
who are close
803
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:55,639
to getting T-shirts.
So we have Col McCormack,
804
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:58,280
who's just past the 50 K
barrier came from America
805
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,159
plus Very cool.
I've got Gene being
806
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,960
he should be at about
65 K at the moment.
807
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,039
So getting up there, nice
nice volunteer technologist
808
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:09,400
and then Macintosh 91.
Oh he's, he's at the edge.
809
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,760
He's right there from
the generation Bitcoin.
810
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,400
So that's a there's very
few people there who are.
811
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,280
Almost in. T-shirts. And
for those who are
812
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,360
wondering what that means,
if you go to Mere Mortals
813
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,880
podcast dot com slash report,
you'll see there's
814
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:26,880
an explanation there.
If you donate a certain
815
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,639
amount to the show equivalent
to 100,000 satoshis,
816
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,159
which is about 45
bucks at the moment.
817
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:36,280
We will send you a t shirt
mere mortals
818
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,880
limited edition only.
I do remember how many
819
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,440
we ordered. 20, 25, maybe. 20,
maybe 25. Something like that.
820
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,440
Not not that many in
existence like you'd be.
821
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,159
It'd be one of the few. And about
half of those people
822
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,320
have altered the shirts,
tie, dyed it, cut it off at the,
823
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
cut the sleeves off
to make it into a singlet,
824
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,599
you know. So if.
You all unique if you're.
825
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,679
Walking around original. People,
people are going to go
826
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,800
that's a one of
a kind, they say. Right. Jeez,
827
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,519
do you need a run off is okay.
All right. So we've talked about
828
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,760
branding a little bit.
There's a couple of things
829
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,679
related to refining our value
for value in the website domain.
830
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,000
I should like,
I'll bring that up. So the ME
831
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,760
model podcast dot com,
I kind of want to make
832
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,760
that a a landing zone.
I think that is
833
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,800
a good thing to have.
Is that how. Deeply tied
834
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000
is that with Wix?
So if we say we want
835
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,760
to start using WordPress,
that domain me and models
836
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,760
podcast dot com,
can we get that back
837
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,320
or is that kind of Wix
says Now do you know how
838
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,639
that works?
So you. Get the dressing.
839
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,880
I think you're getting
a confused. The domain itself
840
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,960
isn't a week's own thing
you the domain but.
841
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,519
We bought it kind of threw
through. Them. Right.
842
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,039
But it's a third party
through to another place
843
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,840
that owns a domain.
So which should be cheaper. Yeah.
844
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,679
So we would
we could carry that name
845
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,000
domain to wherever.
So that's not hard to.
846
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,599
That's separate. Separate. Okay.
It is the shifting
847
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,559
of the platform
of the website slash
848
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,599
code to another. Yeah. Yeah.
That that would build up.
849
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,440
Yes. Like a WordPress.
Yeah. Okay. All right, cool.
850
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,480
All right.
I just want to make sure
851
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,800
that because domain name
is so weird, man. I remember
852
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,920
bitching about that
I can to you in the past
853
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,719
and just how silly
that seems to me where
854
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,840
just one company controls
all the domains and. Yeah, okay.
855
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,079
All right.
That's good thing to know.
856
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,440
All right, this is the
perhaps more spicy one. Oh, okay.
857
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,679
So this is more just related to,
I guess, like the money and the.
858
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,440
Yeah, there's.
An interesting view on this yet.
859
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,239
Okay. So first one, money,
fame and ambition.
860
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,480
So I only want enough to get by.
So for example, if Huskie blew up
861
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,320
my stupid bitcoin thing,
if that blew up and
862
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:53,480
I became a millionaire,
I would have way less
863
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:58,000
effort in doing things
that would kind of
864
00:40:53,880 --> 00:41:00,239
grow the show perhaps
inorganically or
865
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,960
I don't know what
the best way to frame it.
866
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,400
So for example, say was
start to get popular
867
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,639
and people were like wanting us
to appear on their shows.
868
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,599
And I was
I was just kind of going
869
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,840
like, and look, once
there's a momentum going,
870
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,039
you kind of want to keep it up.
This is why I see Balaji
871
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:21,440
going on. Peter McCormick's CFTC,
you know, Joe Rogan by law,
872
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,599
they all kind of like
bounce around quickly.
873
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,840
If I was wealthy enough,
I would probably just go like,
874
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,159
I don't know
if I want to do that,
875
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,920
but and I just want
I wanted to get
876
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:39,480
your thoughts on like
money, fame and ambition. Do you
877
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,760
how much do you care?
There's also
878
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,199
part of the video aspect.
I was hearing
879
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,039
some people just talking
about being more recognised
880
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:48,800
because they do video
and I'm like too, that
881
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:55,039
just sounds like it sucks.
What what is your kind of like
882
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,599
imaginings for
the the mere mortals in terms
883
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,039
of the money aspects?
Do you want it to be like,
884
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:04,079
how do you do you ever want
to make money from it?
885
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,519
Do you want it to be
just enough to get by?
886
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,760
Do you want it
to be very successful?
887
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,320
What what is
what are you kind of like
888
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,920
long term thoughts? Yeah. Well,
I'd probably say.
889
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920
A year into the podcast
I sort of visualise it.
890
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Okay, well, like we're setting up
and we were doing.
891
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,559
We had the spreadsheet
and tracking and,
892
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,119
you know, Facebook followers,
an Instagram followers.
893
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,800
We're going to do some percentage
increases in listenership
894
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,519
aside down,
but look, from a beginning
895
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,280
perspective, what you don't
measure, you. Know,
896
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,039
you're not actually
managing. Yes. So there's
897
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,599
some perspective or beginning of.
Going like, okay, well we.
898
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,039
Need to. Point ourselves
somewhere.
899
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,039
So we point out so yeah.
Yeah, that. Was I think that
900
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,000
evolved into, okay,
well what does that mean from a.
901
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Revenue perspective?
And at the time it was
902
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,199
there's advertising,
there's YouTube,
903
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,800
there's the other things
and we stumbled
904
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,920
upon podcasting to put out
and that's giving through
905
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,360
some sort of value. I think now,
especially this latest.
906
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,440
Tracking from financially,
it's the financial year
907
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,400
that we are now.
I've kind of come
908
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400
to a realisation.
Real realisation with the podcast
909
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,039
and it's the I think
you said it was like you.
910
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,599
Wanted to have enough to
it just be like
911
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,800
it making it meets. That's sort
of where it needs me.
912
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,599
I went, oh, actually full flat.
Now it's don't, you don't care
913
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,880
in the sense of like it could be.
Bringing $0 wouldn't matter.
914
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,719
Me So a. Lot of my decisions.
Now are cool.
915
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,199
I'm going to do things.
For the podcast and the people
916
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,719
that I'm putting value
and the value is no long.
917
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,440
And maybe this is where
it's slightly different.
918
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,119
To me around the Valley
Full Valley model
919
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:33,559
of the podcasting to buyer.
Yeah, where it's. I'll definitely
920
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,599
will ask people of, Hey,
if you want to support us
921
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,760
through this method. Of sending
through bootcamps.
922
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,320
It is kind of like the funnest
way, let's just say,
923
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,079
because it's,
I think through value.
924
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,239
We can comment on it. It's
directly on something.
925
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,280
I do still find that
better than a. Random comment
926
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:47,280
or a random subscription.
That's been a.
927
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,519
By a honestly, at the end.
That's not the value
928
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,599
that I so much care.
To impart anymore.
929
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,480
I go, You want to talk
about making money
930
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,719
in a podcasting perspective
unless you're at the very top,
931
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,760
you, you know, making that much.
And honestly,
932
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,679
I've been looking at a
couple of things for you
933
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,039
lately, man. There's way
better ways to make money,
934
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,519
honestly,
way been twice and I went
935
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,199
in terms of the hours spent
on some of the things I'm doing.
936
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,239
Like you mentioned,
it's only an hour to set this up.
937
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719
There's only a few other things
you start realising.
938
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,039
I think from finance
myself, I went.
939
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,280
Now having a family
as reduce amount of time.
940
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,400
There's a lot of things that I'm.
Dealing
941
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,800
and managing at the moment
and I spent here
942
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,920
that's hundreds of dollars
of losing. Somewhere else
943
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,679
and doing. Something and I go,
I want to do it
944
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,960
because it's not that I'm.
Expecting X
945
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:33,000
amount of return from it.
So a lot of the things
946
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,519
I'm wanting to do
in terms of the quality
947
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,679
of the video productions or audio
or conversations are fun.
948
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,320
They're fun and they're
valuable for me,
949
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,559
hopefully valuable from people.
People example
950
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,559
when I have a conversation
with Jeff you next week,
951
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,719
do I expect that to have any.
Boost Grams or any value
952
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,320
come through? Not at all.
In fact, couldn't give you
953
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,679
it could not give
like a zero amount or
954
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,280
if that makes $1,000, $0,
what do you care about?
955
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,400
It is asking questions
that are interesting for people
956
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,800
to find that interesting.
Specifically,
957
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,119
some of the conversations
around CBT, CBD. Seeds.
958
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,039
And what it is
in terms of regulations.
959
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,920
Here in Australia.
That I'm interested about.
960
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,880
I think other people.
Will be just about I go, Hey,
961
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440
if there's enough people
listening to this
962
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,840
and find value from it,
that's value. In itself.
963
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,239
I've had real fun to do it
and I take time
964
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,559
out of my day for it.
So for me to make
965
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,440
decisions, kind of like
playing around, Hey,
966
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:28,079
if we create another.
Different podcast, it
967
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,920
helps people to absorb it.
It maybe gets more Basecamp.
968
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,639
That's me. I got cool
if it helps with that way.
969
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,559
Let's do it for me
personally, I don't get I don't.
970
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,599
Okay, but. But.
And then get to the fine
971
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,800
now I don't. Think we both are
great on that
972
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,480
ambition is probably more
the other. One. Yeah yeah.
973
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,559
And so is.
There an ambition you have
974
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:48,679
for the mere. Mortals?
I think, and I think
975
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,239
the ambition for sure.
The ambition is to build
976
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:52,800
enough of a.
Cohort of the mere mortals
977
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,199
ecosystem that it's people
that are thinking. Talking around
978
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
similar things. Once again,
one of the things I did
979
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,519
many months ago,
almost nearly a year ago
980
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,079
now from a goals perspective,
was I to create my.
981
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,000
Own sounding board.
This is kind of.
982
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,960
How I see the podcast
in terms of me
983
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,519
being able to put out
information, conversations,
984
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:16,440
thoughts, ideas
that can be sort of found
985
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,639
within an ecosystem
where it is a sounding
986
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,360
board. So, you know.
Whether you want to
987
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,159
support or not through a.
Boost screaming.
988
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,679
Valuable channel, awesome,
That does help the best.
989
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,519
The end value, though,
that I want is. Almost to create
990
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,920
a culture of almost a
sounding board for myself
991
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,480
full of memorials for others
where it could be, Hey,
992
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,719
I've got a thought about and this
when it comes to fitness,
993
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,360
hey, I'm doing this
particular thing per week or.
994
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,079
I'm doing this
I would want to build. Yeah,
995
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,199
not every person within
the community might
996
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,639
have this information.
But I might be someone in there.
997
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,159
Oh, actually, I tried this.
I did something similar
998
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,199
or I did this in October.
Getting this different
999
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,360
experience I got. I think.
That that's more valuable
1000
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,760
insight for me,
or at least what I'm going
1001
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,880
to find myself optimising. For.
Yeah, once again, you know,
1002
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,119
the sounding
board, it's good, but
1003
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:03,920
the best sounding board
we have been has been
1004
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,079
through histograms.
And so it's not, you know,
1005
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,840
for me it's definitely like, oh,
we can kind of make some money
1006
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,440
and we get this amazing
resource of people
1007
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,360
actually tuning in because
if you think of the, you know,
1008
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,079
how many people have
we bagged over the years
1009
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,519
to leave us reviews on
Apple agents? They didn't
1010
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,679
leave what they did. When I
personally sent them.
1011
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:34,199
Message for. My Instagram
leaving comments,
1012
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,239
they didn't talk to us.
Join the Discord. They didn't.
1013
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,800
And look, a lot of this
once again is on us.
1014
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,960
We I don't think of the greatest
a building community
1015
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,199
that's once again
one of our weaknesses, but
1016
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,760
I think we are now
starting to find it
1017
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,760
with the boost to grams
in the messages. So
1018
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,800
yeah and that aspects
geez look I'm the more money
1019
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,719
grubbing of the two of us
because for me this this is how
1020
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:04,719
I want to create a living
and so it will need to
1021
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:07,719
have at least
some strategic thoughts
1022
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:10,920
in my head about it.
So getting on to
1023
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:14,840
for example, money splits.
So I watched this Joe
1024
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,719
Rogan episode
where he was talking
1025
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,840
with the lead
singer of the Smashing
1026
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,440
Pumpkins, you know,
Smashing Pumpkins. That's
1027
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:24,400
kind of the name of the.
Yeah, yeah. Skipping on his name.
1028
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,880
One of the things he was saying
was and it really stuck in
1029
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:36,199
my mind was he was the main
music creator,
1030
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,280
the writer of the music.
I can't remember
1031
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,079
what that actual name
of the person is.
1032
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,079
And so he was creating
most of the music and
1033
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,920
he asked for
from the record companies
1034
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,920
and from his bandmates.
He was saying, I'm
1035
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,159
doing more work than you.
I want a bigger split.
1036
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:59,519
MM So you'd say, that's fair.
He was saying in the end
1037
00:48:56,519 --> 00:49:00,679
that was a mistake.
They should have just split it
1038
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:05,559
evenly because that ended up
creating so much
1039
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:09,519
conflicts, so much drama
about it, and basically
1040
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:12,360
splitting up the band
that he he shouldn't
1041
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,199
have done that.
He should have just said,
1042
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:17,519
look, I'm putting in more effort.
I'm just kind of to,
1043
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:19,159
you know, suck it up
for the kind of like
1044
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,400
long term potential.
Well, not even suck it
1045
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:24,559
up, you know,
just rewire your brain
1046
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,960
to to realise there's
this perhaps value being
1047
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,440
done in different ways.
And I see us in
1048
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,079
kind of similar conflict,
which is, you know, I'm
1049
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,079
doing the video editing,
the audio editing.
1050
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:41,280
You show up to a lot of stuff,
I'm doing the posting and I want
1051
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,559
to make sure that we don't
fall into a similar thing,
1052
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,639
which could happen.
So for example,
1053
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:50,760
at the moment, the splits
even 30% to 30% to me, 30%
1054
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,760
to a joint one, 10%
to developers,
1055
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,239
the valley for value.
So this is where
1056
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,360
we need our discussions
at the moment.
1057
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,519
I've got kind of like 50%
to me, 30% to
1058
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:06,239
the kind of joint account,
and then the rest is to
1059
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:12,480
develop is available or help us
in the future. You know,
1060
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:15,480
I just want to make sure,
like I don't get
1061
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,679
to a point where it's like
I am literally
1062
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,679
fucking out of money. I can't
do the podcast anymore
1063
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:24,480
because I need to go back
to my old engineering job
1064
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:31,079
or some of the other sort.
You thankfully
1065
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,360
you have a large income
from your normal job
1066
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,360
and that is less
of a concern, as you said.
1067
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,920
So in terms of
so one, I do want to make
1068
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,480
enough from the podcast
to get by that's strategic
1069
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:49,400
on my part to I want to make sure
that it's not going to be
1070
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,400
something that causes
a rift between us.
1071
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,679
So what are your thoughts
on like, you know,
1072
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,480
a year's time we're making
40 grand a year, we're
1073
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,480
splitting that evenly
and I'm going like,
1074
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,760
Hey, Juan, I, I can't
survive by on 20 grand a year
1075
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,960
with an either like,
change the splits
1076
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,159
or I'm going to have
to, like, just step away.
1077
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,800
Yeah, it's a good call, actually.
And it's interesting because,
1078
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,880
you know, I've had experience now
definitely working
1079
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,960
with well, doing business
with other friends as well.
1080
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,519
And I haven't
this is my one and only.
1081
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:26,880
One of the things I've seen.
You know, there's actually
1082
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,920
as Omar that he said it
and from what I just
1083
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,599
articulated before it.
It feels like it's a no brainer.
1084
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:35,679
And as I'm about to say it.
I think people were guided
1085
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,320
by the. Constant
like it sounds bullshit.
1086
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,599
It may be part of me,
why would I get
1087
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:43,199
greedy or something?
But I think the reality
1088
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,840
is, once again, I kind of.
Like have to found myself
1089
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,639
in, Hey, I just it out
on. The podcast
1090
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,000
and doesn't really matter
in the money.
1091
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,440
Now obviously there's a
there is a level
1092
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,119
that it makes sense that,
you know, we're talking
1093
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,239
not 40 grand, but we're talking
4 million. Okay. There's reality.
1094
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,920
That if you. Can build
now this obverse of what
1095
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,079
I'm doing, then okay, that's a.
Whole different kettle of fish.
1096
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:02,760
I'm not even. Sure it's
worth saying that
1097
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,280
because the the best
people that I see, Adam Corey,
1098
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,960
I don't think you're going
to get better than him at this.
1099
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,440
I fucking created this
this model, at least their value
1100
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960
for value. And we'll talk
about that in a second,
1101
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,079
that it's not that level.
It's well, once again,
1102
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,320
I think it's at the
kind of like half 1000000
1103
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,239
to 1000000 range, you know. Sure.
But and I think. This is where
1104
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,480
we probably differ.
That what your
1105
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,239
and there's probably
like a long term view
1106
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,880
what do you see
as like the Mere Mortals.
1107
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,239
Podcast but. I kind of
drop the podcasts
1108
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,519
out of it, right?
I'm just talking mere
1109
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,199
mortals as a continuum.
There is much broader things as.
1110
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,719
The podcast as I see.
That as well that I'm not talking
1111
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,039
particularly nearly 1 billion.
I'm talking much
1112
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,119
more than that in a. Very.
Okay. I think. All right, maybe
1113
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,199
we are talking slightly.
Now in that relation. I go, okay.
1114
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:50,639
And that's a very
different kettle of fish.
1115
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,679
I'll look it. But yeah,
if we're talking dead,
1116
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,599
like for honestly hot off
to like kind of run
1117
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,320
the numbers in my mind
of what that looks like.
1118
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,559
But the reality is, hey,
the podcast making 80
1119
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,440
grand a year, I'd be like,
where I said
1120
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,159
to that guy, I don't care
about taking the singles
1121
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,360
all out of that.
In terms of pooling it
1122
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:11,920
out, I'd go.
Well, whether that stays with you
1123
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,400
in terms of just living.
Plus investing in the.
1124
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,079
Memorial to continue
growing fucking who cares?
1125
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,079
There might come a. Point in time
where that okay,
1126
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,400
now it makes sense
that, you know,
1127
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,760
we're getting above.
It just like the bare
1128
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:25,159
minimum of it. Now it's.
On it to be enough that.
1129
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:28,400
It's or you can pool,
plus you can really grow with it.
1130
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,519
Okay, there's
different ceiling talk.
1131
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,480
But I think where I stand
today, I guy
1132
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,519
now I feel comfortable to
have you if you pose that. To me
1133
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:38,880
where hey it's making 40
grand 20 grand is gonna be
1134
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,039
20 guys going to
you want to don't I can't.
1135
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,320
Like we can continue the
Yeah but I'm. Going to start
1136
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,559
like pool out 20 grand right now
I think I'd.
1137
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,719
Say that makes sense.
That actually makes sense
1138
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,360
because it enables
the podcast to. Keep going
1139
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,639
because theoretically,
if it couldn't,
1140
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880
then it wouldn't be around
and then you wouldn't
1141
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:56,880
have it anymore. So yeah, that's
a very straightforward
1142
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,639
conversation. Now this also very.
Much comes down to at the moment
1143
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,199
the way that I'm structuring
my financial life.
1144
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:08,159
Yeah, like your debt.
This is very interesting
1145
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,760
because most people I'll,
I'll reveal something
1146
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:13,880
that I guess it's lots of footage
but at this stage in time
1147
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,440
I don't care to build
more assets.
1148
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,400
That doesn't matter to me.
I need to build.
1149
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Varying income streams.
Yes, for very particular reasons.
1150
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,320
And so for. Me,
I don't particularly.
1151
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,159
Care to own things
to a certain extent
1152
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:30,519
and to be building money from it.
I do care about revenue
1153
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:32,639
streams now.
Yes, you just mentioned
1154
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,320
that that would be
a revenue stream
1155
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:37,960
in that particular sense.
Right now where I. Need it,
1156
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,119
it's not enough to even
be the stream that I need.
1157
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,880
So it's kind of like,
well, yes, no point.
1158
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,559
If it did that, then okay, cool.
Then we have to kind of
1159
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,960
discuss it because for that,
that it helps me do
1160
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,039
certain things. And so I got okay
then that's a different
1161
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,599
kettle of fish there.
But for that to level a guy
1162
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,880
that's not initially me,
in fact, even if we.
1163
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,000
Decided right now in the way
that I'm thinking value,
1164
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,400
although I'm we're getting 30%,
as you say, 30% split.
1165
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,920
For yourself myself
for the joint one
1166
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,239
that we use an Internet
centre developers
1167
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,639
if we needed to,
if we if you felt
1168
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:06,840
because you're much more.
Involved in the space.
1169
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,360
Again, hey, actually if we
pulled all of that back in
1170
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,000
and just reused it
for whatever puppies,
1171
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,519
I'd be like, awesome.
As long as the end outcome for me
1172
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,000
is that we're getting.
Even more people
1173
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,440
tuning in and more value
to people by listening to us
1174
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,480
get up. Let's go with that,
because the moment.
1175
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,079
It's not a differentiator
for me in that regard. Yeah,
1176
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:30,280
my general thoughts were
I want to avoid the Billy.
1177
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,519
It's Billy. Something like the
the Smashing
1178
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:35,400
Pumpkins, Billy Corgan,
Billy Corgan,
1179
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,000
something like that.
I think that sounds right.
1180
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:43,840
I want to avoid that scenario as
and so basically, like,
1181
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,480
you know, bare minimum is
we split everything
1182
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,239
until we recoup
costs of the investment
1183
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,239
of just like cameras and,
and that stuff
1184
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,480
and ongoing expenses
of audio hosting and things.
1185
00:55:56,679 --> 00:56:03,239
I want to keep a split until
that. Honestly,
1186
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,239
I never want to change it If, if
if that can be the way.
1187
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,719
You maintain that.
That is how I would do it
1188
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,960
and I would it would only be
if I got into like relatively
1189
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,119
desperate straits where I would
be saying that to you
1190
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,119
and yeah, yeah. So that, that,
that's kind of like
1191
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:22,320
the monetary aspect of
we'll talk about
1192
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,239
wallet management
maybe a little bit later
1193
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,480
off the show as well, because I
got an interesting,
1194
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,360
interesting offer at the
Bitcoin made up I went to.
1195
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,039
So the last one,
the spiciest of all
1196
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:39,840
and potential conflicts
via V or die. So I. I want to.
1197
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320
I want to make sure
because I don't think I've ever
1198
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:46,159
actually asked you
are you comfortable
1199
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:48,280
going only value for value
and not doing advertising
1200
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:50,159
because I've kind of feel
like I'm also supporting you and.
1201
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,440
Well, definitely
I know. Yeah, I know.
1202
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,599
You don't care as much
as I do about this one.
1203
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,920
I don't care for sure,
but to absolutely.
1204
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,760
So I think that's b broad scale.
Of when we're talking
1205
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,360
about value for value here
and the distinction
1206
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,239
of advertising,
sometimes when we say
1207
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,639
value for value, this. Podcast
or you. Might hear it,
1208
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,000
you might think that it's just.
Purely the podcasting.
1209
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,039
To buy a nice. Space thing
that we talk about.
1210
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,559
Listener support is.
But it isn't. It isn't. I guess.
1211
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:20,119
For me so I'm
definitely value for value
1212
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,159
or die in the sense that
I don't want. To go to
1213
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:23,719
an the company and say,
Hey, if you give them
1214
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:27,519
$1,000, I will promote
your podcast by saying there's.
1215
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,760
Not a single chance
that I've wanted it. To happen.
1216
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,519
I never want I could buy
money through that format.
1217
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,679
I just don't. Ultimately,
it's not a valuable thing
1218
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:39,360
that I think I want to share now.
Is there formats in where
1219
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,199
I can provide value to you
that might sound
1220
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,000
like an advertiser?
And so what I mean by. This is.
1221
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,119
Let's take the fitness
thing once again.
1222
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,480
Say, Hey, I'm doing.
This things with. Fitness.
1223
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,920
I've gotten ten people on board,
each one's paying 50 bucks.
1224
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,519
If you want to join
in, pay me 50 bucks a week
1225
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:59,559
or per month
that I kind of look away
1226
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,239
from being advertising
and more value that
1227
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,639
that's completely okay.
That's why I want you
1228
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:06,599
to source, right.
So that I can see myself
1229
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:09,159
formally doing. But also.
Listening to something
1230
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,639
like Ryan holidays. And you know
the injected as a guy.
1231
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,440
Yeah, yeah. No no. I don't
I don't want this and.
1232
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,920
Again goes back to like honestly.
If someone like us you know
1233
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,039
this is going to happen right now
but if someone like
1234
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,960
Spotify came to us like hey.
We'll buy you for $10. Million
1235
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:30,360
and will inject ads.
I kind of feel like
1236
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,840
I don't know the position.
And obviously. Would offered,
1237
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,360
you know, we'd
have to talk about it.
1238
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,199
But realistically,
I would want to start
1239
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,480
the conversation with, can
we please just remove ads.
1240
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,360
From any of this content, like
please don't have any ads.
1241
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,440
And if it was like on,
I'm going to have to.
1242
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,079
Check that out. But it's there's
a very real possibility. Like,
1243
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,119
I just don't want do that.
I just don't want to do that.
1244
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:51,719
I'll read. All right. My my point
and I've said never, never,
1245
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,199
never will at times. But this is
this I'm serious. This is never,
1246
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,400
never serious. If Spotify came
for 10 million bucks
1247
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,320
and offered to buy us out,
it would be a platinum.
1248
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,159
And I want to kind of
warn you about it,
1249
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,800
because if this
if this ever happens
1250
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:10,679
where it's like,
you know, you get into
1251
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,360
some financial straits
or something
1252
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,679
and we have an easy offer
for quick money for ads,
1253
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,039
I'm going to say no.
And it's going to be like,
1254
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:20,639
I'm sorry, Juan.
Even if you're like,
1255
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,960
stuck and struggling
at the moment, I can't do this.
1256
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,880
So just just say no.
And vice versa for me.
1257
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,960
Like, I if I'm really
struggling, it'll be like
1258
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,280
I would rather stop
the podcast than put ads
1259
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,960
and look what
you were talking about.
1260
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,519
I think is is kind of
slightly separate,
1261
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:43,079
which is the minimalist brand
new mentioning before
1262
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:45,519
about getting an intern perhaps
doing that, you know,
1263
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:48,159
offloading some work
that we could do.
1264
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:51,599
There's not a podcast
here in Brisbane
1265
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:53,920
who was telling me about
how you know how his cousin
1266
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:56,320
is helping him out and his
cousin is doing audio
1267
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,320
stuff it at university.
So it's kind of like,
1268
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,960
makes sense.
I'm kind of really cool with you
1269
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,360
doing things outside of it
as long as I don't
1270
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,360
have to touch it. So for example,
with this fitness one,
1271
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:14,119
if you do that all yourself,
if you manage it all yourself,
1272
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:17,920
it's still under the
the mere models. You know, it's
1273
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,480
not value for value
you'd be asking
1274
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,480
for a certain amount
for from them.
1275
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,000
It's a subscription way better
than advertising but still not,
1276
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,079
not like the
value for value would die.
1277
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,320
You know, if you're doing that,
I'm kind of cool with that.
1278
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,559
I'm fine with that.
Same with like you were talking
1279
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:36,559
about the clock punch thing using
that as an incentive. Yeah,
1280
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:41,719
you know, if I can go
nuts, I don't really mind the and
1281
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,280
that's the interesting
thing with, with ads
1282
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,079
is a lot of it
actually is this time chewing up
1283
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,039
which you were saying
you know your time super valuable
1284
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,239
if you get ads,
if you have people who go
1285
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,079
you've created a service for,
you're going to be doing
1286
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:02,079
a lot of custom management
of meetings of people
1287
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:04,239
going like 1%. Yep. You know, one
that you didn't
1288
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:07,079
deliver this on time or you know,
this isn't formatted properly.
1289
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:11,639
I can't get access.
I need new login
1290
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:13,159
details, my friend
and blah, blah, blah.
1291
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,159
I want to avoid as much of
that as possible.
1292
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,079
If we get an intern like
I want you to be doing
1293
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,000
the performance reviews,
negotiations, things like.
1294
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,840
Like, I just.
I don't want to touch it.
1295
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,039
Yeah, I know about that.
And but once again, I'm
1296
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,679
kind of cool. Like,
if you want to create
1297
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:37,639
something off the side, I just.
I just don't want to touch
1298
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:41,119
it. It's emails. Yes.
And going back to,
1299
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,840
I guess, the broad topic
we're talking about here,
1300
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,719
it's a 400 round. What's to come
to the podcast? What's the chain?
1301
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,360
So to give you an example.
But I think.
1302
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,639
I am going to put together
this fitness conversation
1303
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,519
or think that I present
on a weekly basis now
1304
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,159
where it comes to.
Me doing it underneath
1305
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,159
me and more podcasts.
Hey, I'll do it. Then I'll trade
1306
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,639
video and audio and I'll.
Manage that
1307
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:01,719
and I'll put it together.
But if, as you said,
1308
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:03,119
like in a few months, you.
Go, Hey, I want to put.
1309
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,400
Under a separate RSS feed,
I'm going to have it.
1310
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,039
It's called. Mere Mortals
Like. Fitness. And then
1311
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,280
we have conversations and we can
just put things in there.
1312
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,199
I'll just put on the like.
It kind of doesn't
1313
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:15,960
philosophy go either.
Way if it doesn't affect you?
1314
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,800
Yeah, for me, I can go like
it doesn't matter
1315
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,719
either way. Yeah, I.
Think Mike, this is like
1316
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,559
a good balance too. So to have,
if I'm willing
1317
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,320
to put in the effort
and it doesn't bother you,
1318
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:27,280
like I'll do it if you want to
put in the effort
1319
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,000
for a sponsorship thing
off the side or whatever
1320
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,199
you like, but no matter.
If you like.
1321
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,199
But if you know, if the
shift would be, you know.
1322
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:38,480
Example here
for the book reviews,
1323
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,440
you know, the book reviews
that you put together.
1324
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,679
You're optimising. Them as well.
And some want for it to be
1325
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,320
for the podcasting too.
But nice place, right?
1326
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
That's what I'm
going to change up, right.
1327
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,559
Like, ooh, they. Say basically
I want to go live,
1328
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:53,559
I want to emphasise
the PayPal or the other,
1329
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:55,199
the main models brand,
probably more than
1330
01:02:55,199 --> 01:03:00,320
the brands, to be honest.
And I think
1331
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,599
I want to make them less
intensive than they have been,
1332
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:05,440
So showing up so much time.
And I'm just not saying.
1333
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,440
Hey, look, and this might be.
The once again, this is a
1334
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,519
the story still develops
that whatever we say here
1335
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:13,480
is not going to be the full site.
And so. What you'll.
1336
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,079
Probably start saying is that
from a client perspective,
1337
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:18,519
they'll be that.
Which is more of a not
1338
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,880
so much pulling back, but.
A time efficiency in some things
1339
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,280
where you'll see me.
This just comes by nature
1340
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,719
of what we're doing. You know,
you're putting together
1341
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,559
3 to 4 book reviews a month.
I'm doing at best,
1342
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:30,239
one book review a month.
And so my one book
1343
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,920
review a month,
if I'm going to be more
1344
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:33,199
high quality.
Like it's going to be,
1345
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,159
I'm going to target it. Toward
a really high quality.
1346
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:36,880
So at the moment.
When I did the last one,
1347
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,239
I, I used all the notes
that I put that a. Lot of nights
1348
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,000
I maybe the next one's
going to be really good.
1349
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Camera work. It's going to
be different views.
1350
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,239
So yes, it might.
But for me I'd go, okay.
1351
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:51,760
One a month,
I can't spend the extra
1352
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,679
two or 3 hours on one.
You can't really.
1353
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:54,559
Do that next 2 to 3 hours
on four. Of them.
1354
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,119
That's well, you know,
12 hours, that's not.
1355
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,519
Reasonable for you. Right.
So it's kind of depends
1356
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,199
how much you can actually
spend. To be honest.
1357
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,039
I kind of have tried. That
and it didn't work. So much.
1358
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:08,639
Yeah. Yeah. Like I was I was re
I would record something
1359
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,880
and I would redo sentences
as if I had an on in the sentence
1360
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,719
and then I would do this
kind of splicing method. Sorry.
1361
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:18,440
And it's not the amp.
And then guess
1362
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,000
this gets to the quality
of what you want to do.
1363
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,679
Mine would be that.
Maybe it goes away a little bit
1364
01:04:22,679 --> 01:04:26,599
from the optimisation
of the audio or the articulation
1365
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:30,760
of something, but more making it
interesting to talk to a viewer
1366
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,039
and say, Here's.
If I go with a book of you
1367
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,760
that might be more of a
viewer thing where I'm
1368
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:37,679
trying to put videos and.
Clips and images
1369
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,400
and irrelevancies, or might be me
trying to articulate
1370
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,719
through audio format
linkages and other things.
1371
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,400
Which takes much more effort.
And you might again,
1372
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,039
this is one of those
things where I'm going, okay.
1373
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,000
I can I can put that capacity
towards doing one a month.
1374
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,599
I'm doing that, and I might do
it for three months ago. Okay,
1375
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,639
I'm investing 9 hours
here over three months
1376
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:57,760
and it's not worth it.
Starting with Yeah. You got it.
1377
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,000
You got you got to play.
With that
1378
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,280
to see whether it's going.
On. I'm going to be
1379
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,039
interested in this.
I if I had to predict, I will say
1380
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:08,199
it. It'll show up too much time
for you time and that.
1381
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,960
But I want to be like
spending it again.
1382
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Yeah you did that kind of
really good one for the CrossFit
1383
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:22,159
Taurean that correct
You put in the time, did that hit
1384
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,519
your expectations?
Honestly, I can't remember
1385
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:24,880
specifically. Then.
What I was thinking
1386
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,800
from a viewer, but honestly
I would have said.
1387
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,880
It would have been like
10,000 views. I think I hit it.
1388
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,199
So I went, okay.
I think I actually
1389
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,920
calculated down
that for the hours that I
1390
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:35,599
was on, I gave her out.
It was like
1391
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:39,360
nine or something like
ten views, pal or
1392
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:40,920
something to that effect.
Right. Okay. No, that's not.
1393
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,119
That's not worth the amount.
Of effort that I put down. Into.
1394
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,960
Yeah. Once. Although it was fun.
So then, you know,
1395
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,119
I kind of balance. It with
well that was a a.
1396
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,920
Fun thing to do.
So what I've done it again,
1397
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,679
I, I could see myself
being like, Oh, that would be fun
1398
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:57,440
to do again. Yeah. If it wasn't
for any views. So to also include
1399
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:00,639
that into the equation.
Yeah. Yeah. I yeah,
1400
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,960
with the family stuff.
Now I'd just say
1401
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,960
your definition of fun
is probably not going to.
1402
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:07,599
Revolve. Around as much.
Correct. Well, I mean if you.
1403
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,639
If you know well reflecting back
one of the very, you know.
1404
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,000
Episodes we do.
Way back in the day, back to
1405
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,679
the original podcasting.
Days, we did
1406
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,079
the memorial challenges,
the challenge.
1407
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:19,440
Of which was the valleys
and push ups. Over now.
1408
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,880
And I've looked back about
when I got mad, like the video
1409
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,559
quality of that. So shit.
The audible section,
1410
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,920
it could have been I.
Thought I was. Okay. Not bad,
1411
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,840
but it could be.
When you compare it. To a.
1412
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,840
YouTube video,
not when you close,
1413
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:36,000
but it was fun
and I could see myself
1414
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,599
doing it again for fun.
Now it's just whether you
1415
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:43,440
then would want to invest
a level. Of. Editing and time
1416
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,360
making it to make it
that much more valuable.
1417
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,960
And again, who
you making a valuable for?
1418
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,320
So yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Sustainability meant. What would.
1419
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,679
It take for you
to still be doing this
1420
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:55,239
in five years
time? Because for example,
1421
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:03,360
the my family. But I, I don't
even want to ask them what
1422
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,519
they think of the podcast
and what I've been doing
1423
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:08,519
the last three is I know
my dad would just be like,
1424
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:11,840
I, it's the kind of
which is why I love him.
1425
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,119
He'd be like,
if people do whatever
1426
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,000
the hell they want to do,
you know, that's
1427
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,000
in their free time for,
you know, good on them.
1428
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,280
It's that attitude
of kind of like,
1429
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,440
I have to force myself
to not say, I think you're
1430
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:31,440
a fucking idiot. Basically.
But was just kind of
1431
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,000
what I want to do.
Sometimes it is genuine apathy.
1432
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,079
I don't care what people do
in this free time.
1433
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:41,039
I don't care if you like,
if you love hating on my bald
1434
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,280
head, on on the
Instagram comments like.
1435
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,000
I don't care that much.
Like if you if you.
1436
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
If you want to go do that
elsewhere, that's fine.
1437
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,000
I just don't want it
particularly towards me.
1438
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:57,679
But family wise, friend wise,
the kind of like social aspect
1439
01:07:57,679 --> 01:07:59,440
do you and I'm
just trying to like,
1440
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,239
bring up any more
potential conflict
1441
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:02,519
so we can kind of
talk about them.
1442
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,480
Now, is there anything
that would stop you from
1443
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:12,800
participating in the memorial?
Is there anything that would make
1444
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,559
you go like,
I don't know if I want
1445
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,360
to keep doing this
or it's like having
1446
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,760
a negative impact on this aspect.
My life, I think. It's
1447
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,520
only if it would if.
I would enter upon a field
1448
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,399
encroach upon like time
with day to day time wise.
1449
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:31,760
So if it all of a sudden became a
an imposition
1450
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,640
for me to have 30 things
have to do a daily
1451
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,600
episode. Yeah, yeah.
Like a daily episode.
1452
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,880
Or how I know a book
review is going to be out
1453
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,640
every fortnight for this.
I just know
1454
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,399
I'm not going to be able
to put in the effort
1455
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:43,600
to do it for that. So yeah. It's
not going to happen.
1456
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Similarly with and this. Is why
I don't want to get into
1457
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,520
train of optimising.
For views or something
1458
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,560
else, right?
You put out a podcast
1459
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,520
and this is way back
in the day when we did
1460
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,079
you did Solzhenitsyn book.
Review, right? Yes.
1461
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:57,239
Yeah, that got a massive
amount of views.
1462
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,680
And the reality is, you.
Know, you get talked about
1463
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,600
from a YouTube perspective and.
The algorithm is want
1464
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,359
something like that,
pump out as many more
1465
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,319
as you can around this
because you want to ride
1466
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,479
the bandwagon.
I don't want to get caught
1467
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,800
on neither.
I don't want to have to be
1468
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,680
like, okay,
now I've got to put out
1469
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,439
an episode in the next week
about this. So I make shows
1470
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,560
like if I don't want to be
participating in that.
1471
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,800
That's kind of
what I was talking about
1472
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,960
with the, you know,
if people were
1473
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,359
wanting to interview us
and, you know,
1474
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,000
we get an all these offers
and I'm just like, I'm drained.
1475
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:26,800
I don't want to do this.
Yeah. And similar
1476
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,159
that's the veno is. Yeah.
And I think I'm just fortunate.
1477
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:31,520
Enough now that.
For the large majority
1478
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,520
of what I do now,
I can just impose.
1479
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,600
What I want as opposed
to having to chase things
1480
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:40,079
down. Right. I don't have to.
Go to this
1481
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,760
post wants to be awesome.
I'll jump to do it that often.
1482
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,359
And I really have to
in my personal life
1483
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,079
to be on the podcast.
I'm fine. I'm
1484
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,960
doing fine. It's all good.
The podcast is not what's making.
1485
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,079
Me and my family like survive.
So for me it's fun. It's a hobby.
1486
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:54,720
So if it if. It went past
the point where it was.
1487
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,239
Considered encroaching
onto other things
1488
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,239
on a much more of a high,
that is. Very important for me.
1489
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,359
Absolutely.
That would be happening.
1490
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:05,760
Maybe the clearest way I.
Would say it is
1491
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,439
if in my annual goals
it started encroaching
1492
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,000
upon other things.
That I'm finding
1493
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,560
that are quite important
in my life. It's taken away.
1494
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,479
I okay. There's there's
a level here of how much. Is it
1495
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,880
contributing, taking away.
It's different, obviously.
1496
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,640
Once again, the podcast
making a large amount of
1497
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,920
money to the point
that, you know, I like it.
1498
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,479
I'll put it this way,
even if the podcast
1499
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,239
sort of making
a large amount of money
1500
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:30,359
and it required a lot more.
Effort, say on.
1501
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,600
My part personally,
I'm still at that point
1502
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,039
going to be leaning towards
call up and hire someone.
1503
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:37,279
To manage all of that,
as opposed to me
1504
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:39,319
taking away the time
to be doing for that.
1505
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel you mean the
1506
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,680
kind of like where I
see it in five years time.
1507
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,920
I do think it'll still largely be
not a big team.
1508
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,399
I don't want, I don't want
to manage people if. Want a. Lot.
1509
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:58,159
See if that was going to happen,
it would be one managing it
1510
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,880
and I'd just be the kind of.
What do you mean by large? Seem
1511
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,720
like more than more
than four or five people.
1512
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,680
But yeah, that, that's,
that's large for me. Yeah.
1513
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,720
I mean like I'll,
I'll tell you, you know
1514
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,000
about a lot. Same amount of small
teams, I'd say
1515
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,640
anything more than six or seven
that's starting to get
1516
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,039
a little bit too lots
or just having to put
1517
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:21,680
a lot more constraints
and practices in place.
1518
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:26,279
Underneath that you can massage
really quite fairly light
1519
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,800
touch in a way. Normally
when it comes to business
1520
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,920
as a is a rough like God
that you normally the way that.
1521
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,039
Your business operates
or has the operations
1522
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:37,159
or logically runs changes
when it goes from
1523
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:39,960
1 to 3, 3 to 10,
ten, 30, 30 to 100.
1524
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,840
That's your general
like leaps. Yeah.
1525
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,239
So once you get.
To beyond three, yes,
1526
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:45,279
you need some operations
in place.
1527
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,880
When you get to ten, you can't.
Change entirely
1528
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,039
because then you have
management of management.
1529
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,640
Yeah. So I go.
And so you're right.
1530
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,119
I want to just get it
to that first level
1531
01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:56,439
where there might be
slight amount of things
1532
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,399
that you manage,
where it might be like
1533
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,600
operational pay
and what it might be like.
1534
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,520
Scheduling of certain. Things.
But it's direct,
1535
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,039
it's a 1 to 1, it's
not one to a manager.
1536
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:05,359
The managers.
People don't want to.
1537
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:08,479
I don't want to get to that sort
of level of abstraction.
1538
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,239
100% for for that
and even for the the
1539
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,359
the light touches,
I'm probably not suited for that.
1540
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:19,039
As I've said
many times in the past, I
1541
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:21,520
any type of leader
leadership position
1542
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,800
I have shied away from actively
worked to not get because I.
1543
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:32,479
I don't want to do that. Okay.
Last one. Probably
1544
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,319
like just the last thing.
What could cause any resentment,
1545
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:39,560
do you think? I think the
the future is bright,
1546
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:41,960
but the the main thing
that you see that stops show
1547
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:47,880
or stops a brand from occurring,
I think is resentment being built
1548
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:50,079
up, the founders
hating each other
1549
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:52,279
and anything like that.
Is there anything
1550
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:54,279
that you think that could
potentially drive
1551
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:57,960
a wedge between us.
One we'd one we'd one that
1552
01:12:54,279 --> 01:13:00,119
I guess I don't know.
I would like think the story but.
1553
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:06,800
If we are putting a lot of.
Effort and idle like mindspace
1554
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,800
into podcasting to plan
I valley for valley space
1555
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,439
if it came about that
in three years four year time it.
1556
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,760
Wasn't. The next thing
it wasn't the thing
1557
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,119
that's like to actually
pursue down the path of.
1558
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:23,239
All. It gets embroiled
into issues or complexities,
1559
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:26,720
whatever you have, and we
don't adapt to change.
1560
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,600
I'd go, okay,
that might be something
1561
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,640
that is like, okay,
why are we not?
1562
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,159
Are we just deciding to become
embroiled as part of it
1563
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:37,960
or just don't want to shy away
because now we've got time
1564
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,920
to sink into it thinking
that is going to be like.
1565
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,359
Yeah, that.
That's when I would go.
1566
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:44,359
I don't know
if now we're doing this
1567
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:45,359
for the right thing.
Well, we're doing it
1568
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:47,039
purely because of
the invested time that's in here.
1569
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:50,039
So, you know, as we sit
right now in 2023.
1570
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,239
We still view it as I think in a
in the way that you can
1571
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,640
have, you know,
a thousand true fans
1572
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:57,840
that really support
you and make money from that.
1573
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,159
There's probably
got to be the great way
1574
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:02,319
for many podcasters,
musicians out there. Awesome.
1575
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,640
But if in three. Or five years
that's not the case
1576
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,720
and maybe you get seen
in a bad light or goes to shit
1577
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,800
or there's not many people
supporting it and we.
1578
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,039
Still go again and that's
the way we want to do it.
1579
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:15,560
Even though there's now
maybe obvious signs
1580
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,960
where it shouldn't and we don't.
Move away from it.
1581
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,159
To view what other.
Possibilities there are.
1582
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,840
Then that might be something
where it's like, okay,
1583
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,840
yeah, there's going to be
some frank, open conversations
1584
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:31,079
about this because what,
what is the next path
1585
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,399
moving forward? Yeah, yeah,
that's a good point.
1586
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:35,199
I don't think.
Either of us are the type
1587
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,199
to get too drawn
into the kind of cult
1588
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:45,079
like. Like nature the. Hmm.
How would I put this?
1589
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:49,800
The I think the,
the aspect of value for
1590
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,960
value kind of rules out
some of the,
1591
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,039
the problems with that because
value is very subjective.
1592
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:58,920
So if we found you know,
Internet changes is the
1593
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,520
Apple Vision pro
is now this amazing thing
1594
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:07,560
and people are transferring value
within a certain context
1595
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,039
within that ecosystem.
And that's like
1596
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,000
biggest thing. Yeah.
And it's not through
1597
01:15:09,039 --> 01:15:13,479
micropayments of bitcoin.
You know, I'm
1598
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,439
okay with being like,
yeah, well we'll
1599
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,359
go where the value is. Obviously
if people are wanting
1600
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:22,079
to send us through,
I don't know what you call
1601
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:27,920
them. Apples. To apples
in the Vision Pro. Sure.
1602
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:31,520
We go down that path.
So it's more the,
1603
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:34,600
the more I guess underlying
base aspect would be
1604
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,600
would either of us get to a point
where we kind of have like,
1605
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,600
no, not enough
faith in humanity, that
1606
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,880
good effort is rewarded
and it needs to be kind
1607
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:48,640
of extracted,
you know, in a like it's
1608
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:50,520
not in a voluntary aspect.
It has to be done in a
1609
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:55,359
more heavy handed force
philosophy. Yeah, like in a stick
1610
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,399
axe way of asking like
you have to give me now for that.
1611
01:15:56,399 --> 01:16:01,039
Yes. And I which
and there's a reason
1612
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:03,720
you do it this way
because you want a more
1613
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:06,640
guaranteed income stream.
Value for value by its nature
1614
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:11,520
is going to fluctuate. So that's
that's the only way where I could
1615
01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:15,479
potentially see
some conflicts or perhaps
1616
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:18,520
just something related to
because because we do have
1617
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,119
definitely slight
differences in terms of
1618
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:24,479
I think once again, the ambition.
I think if you saw something
1619
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:29,239
really kicking off and it did
and it did have
1620
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,279
that kind of momentum behind it,
and you're like,
1621
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:32,479
if we just did this thing,
if we just started
1622
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:34,560
promoting here,
if we just started doing that,
1623
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,000
I could see myself being like,
I don't want to do that one.
1624
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,319
Like, I know that's not
that doesn't sound right to me.
1625
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:43,840
That's the only kind of way where
I could kind of see it.
1626
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,399
But I think for the most
part, you know, that's
1627
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:49,840
that's the kind of stuff
where it's like, well, you know,
1628
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,600
if you get into like
a massive brain injury
1629
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,720
through a car crash
and your personality
1630
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,800
completely changes,
which does happen. Yeah,
1631
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,159
it's kind of on that level
of like unpredictable illness.
1632
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,880
I don't think that's.
Yeah, that's not something
1633
01:17:01,359 --> 01:17:05,039
you plan for, I guess.
Yeah. Respect. Yeah.
1634
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:07,319
No, this is good, man.
I'm glad we did this.
1635
01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:09,119
Is there anything else
do you want to bring up?
1636
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:12,520
Let's try to think.
I guess maybe to close off
1637
01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:15,359
episode 400.
You know, looking back,
1638
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,319
this there's evolutions
that the mere mortals has gone.
1639
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,439
Through, to be honest. You know,
we've talked about.
1640
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,479
One point, which is
probably, you know.
1641
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,680
Us not really caring about
it, which is doing it well.
1642
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,680
Yeah, that was just like
haphazard, just doing.
1643
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,520
Just doing it. That was doing it
for doing it. So yeah.
1644
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,359
And then it. Evolved.
Into let's Avatar. Not on Avatar,
1645
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,640
sorry, let's, let's track. This,
let's be more strategic.
1646
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,079
That was some some thoughts on
how we could make
1647
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,960
a better product.
Then it went to 3.9, which is
1648
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,479
much better product
visualisation, video
1649
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,079
videos, clips that I moved into
podcasting to play nice.
1650
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:44,880
I'd be like the full four point
over Ship Immortals,
1651
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,680
and I think this is probably
the starting to shift
1652
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,680
into the five point
Y because we're starting
1653
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,079
to set it up in a way that
we are realistically at the
1654
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:56,800
cusp of the podcast, starting.
To be self-sufficient. In itself,
1655
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:59,079
but it's now going.
To have to be established
1656
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,479
in a way that.
You can run in a more
1657
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:03,600
lean method,
a more efficient method,
1658
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,840
because the reality is
I've got less time, you're.
1659
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,319
Going to have less time
if you start travelling
1660
01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:08,800
and doing different things.
It's going to have to be.
1661
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,840
Set up in a way that it
can be run in a very lean.
1662
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,640
Way, in a very efficient
way, but still like
1663
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,880
a valuable way.
It will always be lean.
1664
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,880
We will now in the studio
it looks like some value.
1665
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,880
That is never going to happen,
hoping I ever want that
1666
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:23,319
unless I've just got the.
Fun to do it for. Fun.
1667
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:27,039
Yeah, maybe
Von gets so fucking rich
1668
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:28,920
that in his house he can.
He can do that. Exact
1669
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,479
camera. Just shut off.
So you keep talking, man.
1670
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,920
Keep talking. But you look well.
We'll leave it there.
1671
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,239
As our camera shuts down,
I will say
1672
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:35,840
thank you very much to me
and more lights for.
1673
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,560
Joining in for episode
four. Hundred. It has been
1674
01:18:37,399 --> 01:18:40,439
a bit of a long one,
but hopefully a
1675
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,640
and enlightening one. You know,
this is still something that.
1676
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,159
We discuss and talk through
and about openly here.
1677
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:46,239
So there'll be
other conversations
1678
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,920
that we have offline.
But the reality is that it.
1679
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,800
Is always an evolving
thing. And, you know.
1680
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,239
If you're out there.
Creating something,
1681
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:54,960
building something
business, an idea,
1682
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,359
whatever it may be,
be prepared to.
1683
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:57,640
Go through evolution,
through it. Right?
1684
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,239
Whatever you think
it's going to be like in Taiwan,
1685
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,640
it's going to change.
You know, when we began,
1686
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,720
we didn't have. Podcasting, too.
When I was,
1687
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,319
I think, gone around, it.
Wasn't a thing.
1688
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:07,319
It wasn't a thing.
But so, you know. At no point
1689
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,920
would we ever thought that
that's the possibility
1690
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:11,119
that we're going down,
which we are now.
1691
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,760
And so we also have to be.
You know, quite open and that it.
1692
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,359
Might shift the change
as well as we go on. But we now.
1693
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:17,319
Are just trying
to set new directions
1694
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:20,279
given where we are right now.
I think one of the biggest things
1695
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:22,720
is the actual open
openness and honesty.
1696
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,560
I'm glad we actually did
this on camera. I think this is
1697
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,640
really valuable.
And one of the there's
1698
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,840
this guy from the Bitcoin
made up. He is
1699
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,000
when I was presenting
this whole thing, he asked to
1700
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,640
I did a value for value
presentation and at the end
1701
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,319
he was like,
What do you think about
1702
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,199
audience capture?
And this is, I thought,
1703
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:41,000
a really great question.
So you're saying,
1704
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:44,239
you know, with this,
will you get more
1705
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:47,239
captured by your audience?
Because now there is no
1706
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,039
there's no barrier.
There used to be if you do it
1707
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:53,000
through advertising, there's
this kind of barrier between
1708
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,119
you and your audience
because you're not making
1709
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,520
your money from your
you're making your money
1710
01:19:55,119 --> 01:20:00,359
from your audience. But it's very
whereas if it's value for value
1711
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:06,840
and you've got Peter the Slav
sending in a million times
1712
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:12,079
and he's very,
you know, very pro Bitcoin
1713
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:15,079
anti nfts and look,
we talked about Nfts
1714
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:16,920
and I think that was,
from what I gather,
1715
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,439
one of the reasons stopped
tuning in for a while
1716
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,560
is that audience capture
a stronger thing.
1717
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,880
Is that something
you're thinking about?
1718
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,760
Do you have to worry about that?
And I thought that was
1719
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,199
a really good question.
I kind of answered
1720
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,039
it by being, you know, we try
and manage that ourselves.
1721
01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:32,800
You're going to have that
no matter what.
1722
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,800
If even if you're using
these other platforms and
1723
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,680
our third biggest contributor
is the nameless support.
1724
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,560
It is the people who have
just sent things in with.
1725
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,840
Streaming, anonymous.
Streaming Anonymous.
1726
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,439
And that that is kind of
a protective barrier as well.
1727
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:54,640
So yeah, just the honesty
and being open and and talking
1728
01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:57,800
about these things, you know,
it's not particularly fun
1729
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:00,720
to ask Lorne like,
Oh, can I have more splits
1730
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,119
or say like in the future
I might need more splits,
1731
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:05,039
but it's better
to bring it up now
1732
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:06,800
before there is an issue I'll.
Tell you I'll.
1733
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,319
Tell you this right now, because
I've just been going
1734
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:10,479
probably through it
in a few different areas
1735
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,399
and dealt with it
before in the. Past.
1736
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:16,880
This is still.
By far and large a very
1737
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:19,159
easy conversation and. Always.
The reality.
1738
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:21,760
I mean, if people in my
lifetime have run pop up.
1739
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,680
Businesses have done
anything like that, yeah,
1740
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,239
you can get more complex
and more hairy very quick.
1741
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:29,760
So the amount of I can remember
like five times
1742
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,119
have been pissed off
at each other.
1743
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,720
Probably one of them
was on the podcast. Remember Pete
1744
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,439
Peter, the Slav being like,
Man, that was a testy episode
1745
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,000
and we're just both
pissed off at each other
1746
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,520
for whatever reason on that day.
But the amount of like
1747
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,039
serious, uncomfortable
conversations we've had
1748
01:21:44,039 --> 01:21:46,239
has been limited,
probably three or four.
1749
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:50,359
And like, they weren't,
they. Went very well. Yeah,
1750
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,600
they weren't serious.
It was just me and my mind.
1751
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,520
Fuck man, he.
Doesn't fucking understand
1752
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:57,119
why me like? He's been anal
about this stupid thing about,
1753
01:21:57,119 --> 01:21:58,439
you know,
making sure that we don't
1754
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,960
have spelling mistakes or not.
So let's summarise it.
1755
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,119
So what we're saying here
in episode 400 is
1756
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:04,800
advertising starting
from tomorrow. Now
1757
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,920
injected, injected ads
every 30 seconds or none,
1758
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,199
you're going to have no ads apart
from anything that we are deeming
1759
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:16,399
as being more for you,
being more lights. You know.
1760
01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:17,920
So we have been talking
a lot. About podcasts.
1761
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,399
And keep an eye on Valley.
Valley, What that means,
1762
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,720
again, if you're not.
Aware of it, is that we're not
1763
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,520
we're going to continue
to engage. Will you. At home
1764
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:29,680
to support us. By way of sending.
A, B, scram or SATOSHIS
1765
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:30,159
through streaming in the.
Podcast and.
1766
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,119
To plan our platforms
out there. Now.
1767
01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:34,560
Whether you use them a lot
or whether
1768
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:36,720
you don't like, for me,
I use them sometimes
1769
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,159
I use them all the time.
And that's because.
1770
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,720
I just the way that I.
Interact with podcasting,
1771
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,680
this is different.
But if it is valuable
1772
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,199
through those channels
and you want. Supporters,
1773
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,520
that's the main way.
We ask Santa through. Somebody.
1774
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,079
Seagrams It's the best way
for us to interact with you.
1775
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:52,199
We read the comments out.
We're actually caring
1776
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,239
to talk it very directly.
It answered very directly.
1777
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,279
If you're asking a question,
you can still send through
1778
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,920
comments and messages
through other platforms.
1779
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:58,720
So that's going
to. Be the best way.
1780
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,880
But are you going to.
I got. On Senior. You can go
1781
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,920
on our website now. It'll be
I don't know if this time
1782
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,560
this comes out
that'll be enabled.
1783
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,800
But the ability for you to pay
through PayPal supporters,
1784
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,840
through PayPal and.
That's done it a fix up that.
1785
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,840
That'll take a while.
So but that's going
1786
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,960
to become available to you
the way that. It'll get.
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Out here in Brazil. Right.
We have about I don't know
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we've had about. Ten people
scan the A-frame, they'll.
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Go to our website. But then again
that's missing
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opportunities for people
to support us in that way.
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I don't know if.
Our random is going to do
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that on the.
First go, but they could,
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you know,
it might just be something
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simple. I remember going to.
Some pages that say,
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you know, buy me a coffee
or something like that.
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And some people said through $3.
50 in that regard,
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obviously coffee's now.
At $6, but here $0.09.
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In any case, me more or
less, I'll be enjoy
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this much more transparent
conversation. Yeah.
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One thing I did want to
mention was if you are
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going to send an amount,
it is fun.
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If you send in something
that special to you, I mean, one
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that is an easy, obvious
one for today is the 400,
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you know,
celebrating 400 episodes.
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We didn't really celebrate
that much, but like.
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Yeah, I figured why.
Not some That's
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a massive achievement on that
on both of our parts and the Yep.
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So send in like 400
400,000 accounts at 400 bitcoin.
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Whatever, whatever's going on.
I was going to take 400 bitcoin.
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Yeah. Feel free to do it on the.
PayPal link
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that's in the show notes,
you know, 40 bucks, 400
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bucks, whatever you want.
Just, you know, that's
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the value for value.
How much value
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you got from this podcast
we just offset.
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You said back to us and please
like with the message
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that's we're saying
the money aspect is important.
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But, but if we can make it
boring, that's, that's cool.
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And it's the it's
what you got from it.
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The, the feedback which is is
is way more valuable
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in our eyes. Absolutely.
Well memorial is.
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Going to be there.
Thank you very much.
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This might be the.
Biggest episode ever. I think so
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Down to one camera.
We'll leave it there
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folks. Juan out, Kyrin out.
400 bitch!
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Juan & Kyrin: Whoo! Dude 400.
Welcome everyone to episode
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400 of the mere mortals.
Yes, indeed.
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You do have Kyrin here.
You got Juan here.
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And it is for the 400.
My watch just got a Notification
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that the 9th of July 2023,
episode 400 as you
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got Juan here as well.
Yep. So we are recording
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this actually
a little bit prehand
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because we actually have
a bucks party on the
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the weekend before.
So we're going to
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do a little pre-recording
and this one is actually going
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to be a very focussed one.
So normally a meanderings we just
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dive off into different topics
and whatever it is
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that we've been thinking
about recently.
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Now this one is related to
my monthly goals actually,
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which is I wanted to have
a real good discussion
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with you about. The. I guess
podcast, Future Direction.
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Some business decisions, I think.
And you know,
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I was actually looking
at this and I was going,
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you know, maybe it's
better to do this off air
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because I got some spicy
questions for you. Right.
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And you know what?
I'm not even sure
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some of these we'd
want to put out. And then I went
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I had some experiences recently,
which I'll talk about. Yeah.
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It basically just made me go,
you know, if we need to,
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we can cut those ones at the end.
So there
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might be some cutting and
the, the main one of the
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great things
about values of value is actually
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the transparency.
And I think we did that
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well and yeah,
I wanted to do that so but yeah,
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just for episode 400, man.
I got a journey. I guess I'm
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trying to be transparent.
In today's conversation, but yes,
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we might have some
latitude in some of the
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conversations that happened
towards the tail end.
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So yeah, yeah. Yes, episode 400.
So, you know, if you have stuck.
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Around with us, I mean,
I would only say that
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there would be
a handful of people
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who have stuck around
since the very, very beginning
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in the sense that.
I don't think anyone.
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Family members or friends.
If anyone out there who has
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if you have listened
to every single
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episode we've ever put out
anything like, yeah, kudos,
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you know, price like, well done.
Thank you very much
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for sticking around for.
That entire time. So I guess
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today's conversation
is going to be. It's slightly
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probably going to be a
look back in terms
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of what we've tried.
Done before. Yes. Yeah. And then.
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What are we thinking about.
In moving towards the future?
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I mean, and once again,
this is a part where
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we might, as we. Go through.
Put some questions to you,
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fix me. More.
Lots of time of okay,
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what are some. Things
that you might be seeing
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that we should be doing. As well?
Could it be influencing
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the things we're doing now?
And as we start articulating
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what we're thinking
in the future, you can kind of
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give us some guidance.
Well, yes or no? Maybe.
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So what should be done? Know what
you want to begin
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with in this episode. Okay, So.
I got a whole lot of notes here.
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Let's start off
with the video aspect.
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So basically, one of the things
I've just been thinking
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recently was I kind of
I don't want to stop the video,
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but I want to stop as
a lot of the effort
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that I'm putting into it,
especially when it comes to ones
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where I'm not creating
clips from it. So these
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two clicks were outdoors,
got the good cameras
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that that's great.
The conversations
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which I have in person
or even that have good
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video quality. So for example,
if you look at the video quality
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between the one I did with Pete
Smithson and the one I did
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with Chris Fisher
and Chris's was just
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a lot more blurry.
He was in a darker room.
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It I just looked at and I went
and the clips that I create from
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this won't be visually appealing.
So that's kind of the
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point of creating a clip.
And you know,
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we've been doing video
since the very get go and so what
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I have just learned from
that is there's just no
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real point. I think for the
the ones which
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just aren't like that,
the people just don't
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watch them, to be honest.
And I'm sick of
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creating long things
which people aren't watching.
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Do you? Well,
so when you say you're
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talking specifically
on the long form video.
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Long form videos
that I post on YouTube,
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they get 16 views
and I'm at least three
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or four of them because I jump to
and from that because I'm copying
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links and checking
that it's making me go.
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Right to say specifically
the amount of effort
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that it takes
to create the long form.
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Two How much is being video?
It is just like, okay,
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this is not valuable. Yeah.
Is that also. Coming to
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the consideration of okay.
And then the subsequent
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short clips on my. Come from it?
Well, that's the thing
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I would not use.
No, because I'm not the
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I have tried creating some clips
and you created some from
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one of the crappy looking videos
I would say, or you know
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it's ten ADP
are not as high quality
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but they just don't
really seem to do anything
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to be honest. And I feel like I'm
at the max clip capacity already.
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So adding more on
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not sure is going to do anything.
So I think do you feel like
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I mean from say,
you were sitting through
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all of the past episodes.
We've definitely done
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the video clips,
the high end video clips
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and try to make it as crisp.
And the lighting
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and everything like.
That as you're suggesting
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you're thinking
through as we move forward
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that we do like things
like meanderings or add those.
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Yep. Will definitely
still have the.
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The video quality.
And the clipping and whatnot.
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is an example for people
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maybe listening at home.
What would be one
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that said you won't
see videos anymore so. Well so
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the live ones for example
I don't mind doing the video
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as long as I have to put
in zero effort basically.
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So what I'm thinking
is, you know,
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I've got my whole process
of I create chapters
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and then because
the live video has
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a section at the start,
I have to alter
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all the timestamps
and I have to copy from here
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and onto the other section.
I'm thinking just having
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did a lot video
and then I've just got to
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know that the top saying,
check it if you want chapters,
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if you want all the good stuff,
go check out the audio.
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Gotcha. So using Blunt.
So not even putting the
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effort around the chapters
and what like the timing
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and all that is because.
No one's watching known
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no one's using it.
So, you know, this is
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kind of getting into the. What.
Do we want to become?
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And I look at
podcasts like Lex and,
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you know, Joe Rogan educating
and things like that.
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And I just don't think
that I particularly want to be
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like them, to be honest.
And this will get into the
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the kind of branding section.
But I'll save that
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for a little bit. So
one of the other things is
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even with the clips,
to be honest, man, so
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we get a lot of negative
comments in there and.
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Well, I'll be.
Let's not say straight.
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Up negative.
This is a fake podcast.
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What's this fucking boldy
talking about? Well, you know,
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there's a lot of that.
Now, but be specific.
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Are you saying
we get negative comments
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on every single clip
or do you get negative comments?
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The ones not that that's
that's even ones where it's it's
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non-controversial. That's just
just someone talking
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about some random stuff and there
there's this recent thing
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on the Pod news weekly
where James was ranting
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against Joe Rogan
and he is very much a he
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he doesn't like Joe Rogan.
So just having this full
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rant against him
saying he's an awful man.
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But Oliver. And you know what
the basis. For that was?
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Does he he has a grudge
against him. Yeah. That they need
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more context
and he got a boost Graham
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in saying like, James,
you're a hateful person,
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you need a lot and blah
blah, blah, blah. Like basically
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a very kind of negative
comment towards James.
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But he got paid for that
and it was kind of like,
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well, you know what? If if people
are calling me a bully
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and whatnot, that's fine.
I don't really care that much,
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but I would like
to get paid for it.
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If you're going to do that.
If I'm if it's taking out
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my mental space,
my mental energy, I would like
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that at the very least. So
it's just
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yeah, I just got to say, like the
the YouTube experiment
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that we've been doing
the past three years, I would say
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I haven't put enough effort
into becoming a YouTuber.
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That's a fake. And I would say
I don't want to that
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It's like equivalently
for both of us. Yeah.
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When I say it in the sense
that both of us know,
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when you think of, Hey,
you want to excel
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at YouTube and get
the great money
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that comes from that.
Oh, in other social media
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platforms
you really have to go real
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heavy with
That could be from a lot.
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Of great money as. Well.
You think from like Mr.
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Beast type perspective
where you're making, you know,
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millions of dollars. But you're.
Spending millions and dollars
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in your production values
and what you're putting out
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and what you're putting together
so you can go all the way
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to like high. End looking view
or you make money in.
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Well, as you say, in
in harnessing the. I want some
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some part of good
but a lot of the bad of humanity
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in that you bring him
these challenges.
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This chaos this.
I'm going to play
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something purely
for the variation
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that it might make a lot
of people cause you have.
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This havoc between
people conversing where
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I guess the outcome
of making money from it.
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Is achieved,
but in other qualities is
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a good maybe not, maybe.
Not the way. And
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I don't know. I've never. Maybe
there's only, you know,
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of the last 400 episodes.
And, you know, the last three
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plus years
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for almost coming up
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Have I ever looked at YouTube
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to be making our money.
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but I guess in challenge
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Where you're looking to
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and be abroad. And so
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creating clips in time
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a lot of editing.
That's just not realistic.
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Yeah, really from
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I guess I I'm starting
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more of a path of actually
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more quality, even more.
I want to even in. The video
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you're in the videos.
Absolutely. So like. More
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but less. Volume. And I guess
he has a differentiation
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for, as you say, from the
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I agree that. Some of the videos
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for the long form,
it's not really useful.
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And I at least now or maybe
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on video on YouTube.
Please someone message us
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and tell us this.
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personally,
the ones that I've seen
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on long form, on video,
like on YouTube sometimes.
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I mean, really, you know,
like Friedman,
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sometimes a few others.
But to be frank, I'll never
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I've never watched a full podcast
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Never ever how I don't So. I have
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Do now so I'm not saying
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I certainly I don't.
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even on podcast place,
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what's the video quality.
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to. Watch the full video.
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normally, still day to day.
The way I consume podcasts
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is not watching a screen.
It's listening. Hmm.
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So that does.
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Doing a podcast
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to create eventual clips.
Look, that's fun.
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Like are we doing idols? Yeah.
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of individuals
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in a video format,
they will listen to it
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and an audio offline
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clips from it and create
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in different ways.
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We'll talk about that as well.
So I kind of started stretching.
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My way to All right. From a
whether it's the books, right
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when we're talking about
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Channel or book review,
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I'm wanting to progress down to
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if I want to do that,
I want to do it properly.
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I want to do video, but have it
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but most certainly not
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Tedious editing and no
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into where I'm
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an hour editing like.
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images and the like for,
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amount of people.
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that's not the way.
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However, the way I consume
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Through listening
through audience.
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I want it to be sharp and good.
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And so I do need it to be
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use, let's say, for instance.
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I got. Time to add to.
Mine, we've got two.
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Cameras in my mind.
I've go. Hey, so in that.
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Relation, I'd go, okay,
maybe investing in an.
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Extra camera to have at
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Would be a doable thing.
If it enables me to have
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higher quality
than just 1080 people.
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So I guess that's
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as we venture into this.
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just my learnings.
One YouTube is a platform
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we don't own, so if we get
good on there, if you got tons of
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subscribers, you're
very much at the mercy of
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the whims of YouTube. Yeah.
So just from a kind of
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strategic standpoint,
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The energy input is
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If we were getting lots
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for example, on the long
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one of those episodes
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All of the long form ones,
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paying off,
especially these ones, the
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meandering outdoor ones. I think
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Yeah, sure, we could have a third
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don't like stills
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Specifically third camera.
I didn't mean here.
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I mean it might like. Yeah, yeah.
But even just in for this and
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there's a I created a mini clip
just to remind myself
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from Adam Cory
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when I look at the people
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Fisher rather than Lex
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and they have a list of
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repeat them all here, but
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that's kind of like
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I'll still put them out
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going to be wireless that's the
there used to be
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this obligation in my mind
like I've got to create
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a along form thing for everyone.
I got to release it at this time.
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It's just
it's taken me like three
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and a half years to realise, Oh,
it doesn't really matter
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that much. Right, right.
The clips. So what
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you're talking about, how
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your perspective,
what could you use
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to judge a metrics of it's
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What do you want it to do?
And I'll I've got
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some thoughts on that. But yes,
I think the clips. So ultimately.
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The eyeballs. On watching
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and from a video perspective, so.
Purely the.
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Metric of impressions,
not useful, not useful in the end
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here, the end outcome,
what am I optimising
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for is. Build.
A community of people
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who watch the mere mortals
and will in some way, shape
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or form one, provide value
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because we're providing
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my mentality is, okay,
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what I want to optimise for is.
Clips or. Items like I'm talking
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like a minute 90 seconds
video clips from things
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that we're creating that
give people a bit of an insight
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into what we've. Talked about,
have some value that maybe wants.
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Them to make some go and.
Listen to the long form or point.
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Them to whatever it is
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That's interesting,
encourages participation,
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but ultimately of
some portion of those.
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Wants to connect through
to the mere mortals
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as whether it's, you know,
the way that.
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People can support us.
Everybody screams or.
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You know, as we're setting up
the patron
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stream, things like that,
that's like not producing
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pipe out people on a website.
So through those formats,
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that's the encouragement
of Eclipse. Less specifically
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at the stage on
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Now that being said,
we don't know
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where the future of things
of a lot of social media
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go through.
We've just seen recently
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Instagram threads.
Sort of come out that's giving
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some insights
that might, you know, allow you
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to bring over your followers
into other streams like
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Mastodon and other places.
So yeah, that might.
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Shift the mentality
of some of these things
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that we're doing.
If it builds up community
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in that perspective,
at least for me,
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I go, it's beneficial.
If it. Increases
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the participation.
Of people in our. Memorials,
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you know, ecosystem.
Which that includes
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getting us not only back
through the formats that we're
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making available.
So my, my general thoughts clips
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are good for building
followers on a platform,
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once again, a platform that
we don't get to control. But I
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think there's a game
to be played and that
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that game can be useful.
So that what,
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what can you do with them?
I think if you have a lot,
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it does open some doors.
If you've got,
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you know, ten, 20,000
followers on somewhere
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and you could do a call
to reach out to a guest
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that you want to have on.
Yeah, that is a
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lot more impactful
than if you have 200.
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So there is a a benefit for that.
Certainly. Which which can pay
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some kind of like longer
hidden dividends which you,
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you don't get to see. But, but
I think that isn't one of
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the things that Adam Curry
and John C Dvorak say on
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no agenda is the email is kind
of one of their
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crucial components
in letting the people know,
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you know,
new episodes coming out.
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This is what we're going
to be talking about in this one.
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Reminder. And the big thing is
the reminder.
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This is a value for value show.
We can't continue
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without your support.
I think I could somewhat see
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the Instagram or
the Facebook or whatever
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becoming our mechanism for that.
We haven't focussed on trying
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to get people's emails.
I don't particularly want
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to get people's emails and
I don't know about you.
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This is could just be me.
I don't use email much.
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I, I feel like it's a
like a dying technology
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in some ways because it's just,
you know, they're taking it
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out of the RSS
feeds, for example.
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People have been a
bit more private about it.
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I don't know, maybe it's
that that's one of the things
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that will stay around. You know,
one of the good things
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about emails is it's
one of those platform
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non-dependent If you have
someone's email, you can always
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reach out to them.
Even if you get blocked off
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your email kind of outlook,
you can just, you know,
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if you have that list,
you just move on
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to Protonmail or whatever. Yeah,
I mean. That's a big way.
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I mean, Tim
Ferriss talks about it.
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Others like James Clea
and a few others who've,
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you know,
turned blogs into books, that's
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one of the main metrics
that's used to sell
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to a book company
in relation to how
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I can make a book and I can sell
because I've got 2 million people
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subscribed by email,
so I can send it out to them.
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Yes, I can turn it into
a percentage of sales. Yeah.
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I think our problem is
neither of us a text guys
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we don't exceed in the
writing of things down. And I,
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I think that would be kind
of our our shortcoming
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but we could make up for that by
creating engaging clips,
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which I think we do.
And that can be a kind
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of figured feed
mechanism in terms
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of like reminding people
as a show, Hey,
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we need your support.
And I can see those
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platforms even though
we're relying on the platform,
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you know,
if we've got five of them.
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And I think that could be
a useful, a useful tool in the
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in the tool trust.
So in acquiring emails
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from people. No, no,
I, I don't think email, you know,
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I, I have no real interest
in trying to get people's emails.
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I, this is one of those
trade offs where I'd go,
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you know, I think I'm
a lot more comfortable
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with the centralised taking that
bet that gamble
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on the centralised platforms
not kicking us off and us
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using our natural skills,
being more visual and audio
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creative and animated
rather than text,
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because I'm just not I'm
not a good writer.
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I'm not going to create
engaging emails. I don't know
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how to do that.
And I it's not a natural
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skill that I have.
You know, my worst
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subject in high school
was English by far. So
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yeah, yeah, that's it's
just one of those ones where I go
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the clips I think are good
for building
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what we want to build and,
and that building
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will actually be on more
centralised platforms
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rather than something
like email which is
419
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,559
more decentralised.
So the other one just in
420
00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:20,559
terms of video
was the live aspect. So
421
00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:26,039
being able to do things live
that does get more engagement
422
00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:29,279
from people and I'm
only just starting to test it out
423
00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:31,599
now with the value
for value show.
424
00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:33,880
If that goes well,
I want to move on
425
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,880
the book reviews.
If that goes well, I want
426
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,720
to personally reach out
to Boss Sprout and be like, Hey,
427
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,400
just give me this small
access to my own RSS feed.
428
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,359
I acknowledge, like the risks,
but you know,
429
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,920
this is how I can go,
you know, pending live ended.
430
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,839
And that's just like a
broadcast mechanism
431
00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,799
and it like it works
well on that.
432
00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:59,480
So I sent in a big row
of docs to the the podcast
433
00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:02,079
and two point
and I was telling one like,
434
00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:03,759
you know that that's
a relatively large number
435
00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:05,440
that will get some,
some people talking
436
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,000
and now we got
absolutely overshadowed
437
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:12,200
because one dude sent in 1.1
million 101 million like.
438
00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:16,559
Eight. Once in a row. Yeah.
And I just went like
439
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,839
first of all, time
absolutely overshadowed
440
00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:19,920
us. Good, good on you. I think
that was Stephen Bell.
441
00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:27,079
But they get a lot of support
from people doing it live
442
00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:31,279
and I was doing it live on.
I think that oh, that's that's
443
00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:33,440
kind of one of the things
to focus on. So. All right.
444
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,680
Video. So that's kind of
our positions on that branding.
445
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,559
What do you think of the multiple
shows versus single effort?
446
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:47,160
So we've talked about this
in the past and we talked about
447
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:49,200
how our initial things
and especially you were saying,
448
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,519
yeah, Jocko tried this, he tried
multiple podcasts,
449
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,880
he brought it all back into one.
This other person
450
00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:57,880
tried multiple streams.
He he brought it back into
451
00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:04,160
one and I look at that and then I
look at once again Adam Curry
452
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,359
and Chris Fisher.
And what they do is they have
453
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,359
multiple shows that got,
you know,
454
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,519
out a curry and the keeper.
They've got no agenda.
455
00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:13,160
They've got podcasting 2.0
He's got a
456
00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:15,240
he had one called Mo Facts
and he's going to start up
457
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,599
a new live music one or music
Billboard charts type one
458
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,759
Chris Fisher the same
with all of his Linux
459
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,519
shows and self
hosting and things.
460
00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:28,279
What are your thoughts on that
in terms of branching out
461
00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:30,720
versus moving in again? Well.
I mean, let's just be specific
462
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,640
on what it means branching out.
You're talking about
463
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,079
multiple podcasts. Multiple.
But again, to be very clear,
464
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,359
you mean separate
podcasting RSS feeds,
465
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,079
correct? Right. So we don't say
let's just say
466
00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:43,480
we wanted to create
a new one around here
467
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,000
and saying or something
about fitness.
468
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,200
I think fitness would be
it wouldn't. Be the same means.
469
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,079
That would be like you wouldn't
find it in the stream
470
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,400
of the memorials podcast,
not be on the
471
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:56,440
Anyone called me Immortals
Fitness, some of that
472
00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:03,960
and some like that, right?
Yeah. I still think that I would
473
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,519
love to see more numbers.
Around it, because what I want to
474
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,519
say though is that
you just presented around
475
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:13,039
Adam Curry. Chris Fisher I go.
Give me some more giving someone
476
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,079
give me some more examples
of where people having
477
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:19,079
multiple podcasts very.
Separate to each other. Worked.
478
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:23,119
Better than having the single one
where everything came from.
479
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,359
I kind of guys,
I gave the example of Lex,
480
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,640
though, the example of JUCO.
Tim has done this as well.
481
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,279
He stopped doing. That as well
at the very large
482
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:35,759
and at the very like.
Broad scale. At least. Podcast
483
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,039
I'm saying.
Doesn't work that well
484
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,240
or at least people are pulling
back away from it now.
485
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,920
Is that because they.
You know, ultimate outcome
486
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,920
better optimisation.
Okay, we want to have as.
487
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,319
Much eyeballs in the one
product maybe works.
488
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,559
Our way in the.
Chris Fisher example.
489
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:54,240
So I wonder, so Chris, is it,
you know, at
490
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,799
the moment let's just say.
You know,
491
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,039
trying to be transparent,
how much are you making per year
492
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,480
income wise on all these
different podcasts? Right.
493
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,279
You know, are we talking $10.
Million or nothing? No way.
494
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,319
It'd be like enough
to get by for him.
495
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,960
A couple of people that he hires.
And I would be thinking
496
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,920
probably in a
half a million range
497
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,240
if I had to guess.
Right across all of them.
498
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,559
So like multiply by ten times.
In viewership was like 10th.
499
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,720
I mean, now that might not
translate to ten times
500
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,440
the earnings.
We'll just like ten times
501
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:27,079
the viewership.
I go, if it was ten bucks
502
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,559
not above, that would
the same principles apply
503
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:33,599
as in having the multiple
different podcasts work better?
504
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,359
Or at that point it's
you start getting even.
505
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,839
Bigger hours ago.
Actually, it's even better
506
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,440
just having it on one go.
And then, you know, you a10x it.
507
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,519
And perhaps. As Tim says, not
every single podcast is.
508
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,400
For everybody
and you might only get
509
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,200
a certain percentage
of your viewership.
510
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,559
He's I. Think it's
I can't remember if.
511
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,440
It was 20. Percent
or something like that,
512
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,359
but I think it's. You know,
you only get
513
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,519
20% of your viewership
checking out each
514
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,759
and every single. One, but
you have a larger. Base who's
515
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:57,240
going to continuously
come in, check in
516
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,880
when they feel it
to be important. I kind of go,
517
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,279
well, is there,
you know, by the numbers
518
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,440
I would love to see,
does it get to a point
519
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,920
that's actually is not worth
having multiple you actually get
520
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,519
a better bang back
buck for your money.
521
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:14,519
In terms of having an all.
In one, even though you don't
522
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,160
get as much viewership
because you've got
523
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,039
a broader base.
And it's actually easier
524
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:21,039
to manage than having multiple.
Multiple people. So here's an
525
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,200
I guess an example.
Now myself, I'm not. Sure
526
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,119
I was thinking in.
My mind in the following
527
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,839
year, I want to start a.
A particular podcast of I'll.
528
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:34,799
Be putting down the my training,
my like daily training
529
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,799
basically on a week basis.
And, you know,
530
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,759
I think it got a total of
like 60 views,
531
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,799
70 views on the page. So I went.
Okay, I'm going to stop doing it
532
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,920
for a few weeks
because obviously there's
533
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,319
not enough eyeballs to
for me to be doing it
534
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,519
for whatever reason.
It was taking some effort
535
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,880
for me to actually do that,
let's say half an hour
536
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,720
for me to put it together.
But I'm slowly doing it
537
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:54,480
internally to my view.
And then one of the.
538
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,799
Things I thought. This could be
a pretty easy one,
539
00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,799
maybe valuable for people
used to create a podcast
540
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:01,920
where I basically do
the web page, put it together
541
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,119
and actually talk
through the week's
542
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,279
training in terms
of how this what I'm.
543
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,799
Doing, this. Reason type
just work, this sort of
544
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,319
training for this
particular reason.
545
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,799
This is week seven of hat. Squat,
this. Is whatever, right?
546
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:15,359
And so there might be some value
in the very minutiae of
547
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,519
training that I'm doing.
That at the very least.
548
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:18,599
For me, I go, okay, well,
that would.
549
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,960
Encourage me to put the
website again together.
550
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,319
But also I would only be
an extra 20 minutes for me
551
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,720
to just quickly record
something that's already
552
00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:29,519
presented. I'm just using
a visualisation. It's very easy
553
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,319
for me to create. So I kind of
want to do that.
554
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,799
I don't know when I will
begin it, but I want
555
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,480
I don't want to just start
a brand new RSS podcast,
556
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,079
you know, if I can wait,
there's no way.
557
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,000
I wanted to create
brand new branding,
558
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,960
brand new training style
brand news.
559
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,440
So for me it's like it's
another area to manage.
560
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,359
It's another whole set of
commentary to manage
561
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,359
because as you start
spreading out and you've only got
562
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,319
you got no one else sort
of supporting you, I go.
563
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,799
Well, I don't want to go
flicking. Between like,
564
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,160
what would you might do
now between a valley for valley
565
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,599
or Spanglish phrases
and use some of that
566
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:02,480
to go and check out
all the comments to go
567
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,599
on, respond to them to
then slip back to go and.
568
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,599
Look at something else.
And that might seem.
569
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,279
Insignificant in the
like the small scale,
570
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:10,720
but over time you go,
okay, that's enough
571
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,640
that I'm like, I don't want.
To I don't want to have to
572
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,960
go and manage a whole. Nother.
Nother list of this
573
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,640
or length of timing loss.
I just don't have that.
574
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,640
Put it to put it to me. I'd go
if I really wanted to create
575
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,559
a brand new like podcast
to do that, like a new stream,
576
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:28,079
it would almost.
Push me at the moment. Yeah, I'm
577
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,640
starting to do that.
I would I would ask,
578
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,680
how do you keep. It underneath
the stream of the memo?
579
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,680
This podcast was wouldn't
do it at all. Let's go.
580
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Okay. Yeah. Not valuable
enough to start it, doesn't you?
581
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,319
I guess that's I guess that's
some of my thoughts.
582
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,480
Although there is
definitely places
583
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,240
like Chris Fisher and Adam Curry
that you've mentioned.
584
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,519
Way can work.
But this is one way. We'll,
585
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,519
we'll have to probably
discuss more off air.
586
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:53,200
The the thing with that is
I'm not sure you imagining
587
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,720
the experience of someone on
their phone and seeing six
588
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,759
like six episodes a week.
So the book reviews
589
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,720
the value for value
the mere mortals.
590
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,720
If we put all the fitness,
if we put all that into one feed,
591
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,759
that is just a massive, gigantic
clusterfuck of a feed. So it is.
592
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,319
It is a good point.
It is a good point. I guess the
593
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:18,400
you know,
and as much as I just said
594
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,880
that that I when actually
the split of the book
595
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,960
reviews and the podcast, that one
was the right thing
596
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,039
that was definitely
the right thing.
597
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,680
I wouldn't see that to.
Be connected at all.
598
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,359
Maybe in the fitness space
I'm slightly triggering towards
599
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,519
or leaning towards that.
You know, we talk about fitness
600
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,279
quite a bit in our monthly goals
and a few other places.
601
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,279
It kind of fits
in a similar sense
602
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,279
that we do monthly goals.
You know, there's the
603
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,000
monthly goals really fit.
With the other things
604
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,680
we do in the podcast
and conversations.
605
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,079
Yeah, you could make ways
as to what that it does
606
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:51,920
and some ways that
it doesn't look.
607
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,839
So in this, in this case,
what I'm imagining is
608
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,960
a separate fitness feed. And so,
you know, make
609
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,119
cutting out the videos
this so all portions
610
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:04,119
of the videos,
this will give me a bit
611
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:06,960
more free time.
What I was imagining
612
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,799
was a fitness podcast
of some sort.
613
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:09,519
I'm not sure exactly
what you had in mind.
614
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,039
I had a couple of ideas as well.
It could be one where it's
615
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:17,000
is just you, it's
just me or it's both of us
616
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,279
or a mix of that,
but definitely the niche
617
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:25,079
on the fitness. Yep.
And you wouldn't
618
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:28,640
need to jump everywhere
unless once again,
619
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:33,240
you're creating videos this,
this highly technical video
620
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,599
that you're talking about.
I'm more imagining
621
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:40,160
the week we create it up.
We set up the feed
622
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:44,079
that doesn't need to have
extra stuff, get you going
623
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:47,039
here and you go in now
the best grams we've got
624
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,519
that link to the discord.
We've just got multiple channels,
625
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:53,960
each being like fitness podcasts.
Boost two grams minimal
626
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,519
to space, two grams book reviews
boost two grams. Value for value
627
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:03,000
based on grams, whatever.
I, I think that yeah we
628
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,599
can talk more about that.
Yeah I think
629
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,480
and I guess this comes
to another part with I'm
630
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,240
thinking from the fitness
one so unless I guess
631
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720
in my mind at the moment,
I guess this is
632
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,279
a deviation of the time
where we sit in probably Valley
633
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,480
Four Valley and all that sits.
But if also bring in
634
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,759
a new RSS feed for, say,
Memorial Fitness,
635
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:21,720
I'm not going to go on
to the thing.
636
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,599
So the forgetting base
you can sort as wonder like that.
637
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:27,759
That to me at the moment
is not a realistic value
638
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,880
in that lens. Like I,
I just think like I. Don't
639
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
care to get any money
from that perspective.
640
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
I'm purely doing it
because it enables
641
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,319
people to like the I guess the.
Value of for me to put.
642
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:43,359
Out something like that isn't
for me to get returned money.
643
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:46,079
It's to help out others
who want to like kind of
644
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:50,400
get themselves my fitness
or help them out
645
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,160
perspective on my training
or get feedback of.
646
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,759
My own training.
That's enough of a value
647
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,519
that I go.
How are you going to know
648
00:30:54,759 --> 00:31:01,640
if you're giving them value?
It would be. Because we don't
649
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:05,160
get comments which say, Thank you
for creating this in. You know,
650
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,039
I really got value
from this in terms of
651
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,559
on on YouTube, on
the Instagram, on Twitter,
652
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,839
on Facebook. Now. Yeah,
that's a good point that.
653
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,440
We don't get anything.
Well, we get it as is
654
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,680
through the Brewster gram.
So once again, like,
655
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,839
you know, the
the money side of things
656
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,359
is is nice but the
the content the receiving
657
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,359
of something back is the.
Yeah I mean that
658
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,319
that's that's a good.
Call that I think in
659
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,680
I was just thinking
through on the fly to put out
660
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,720
a let's say a video like that
on a week to week basis
661
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,759
which also would be a podcast
like an audio format.
662
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,240
My ask would it be cool
hey sent me through
663
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,319
would be something like
it wouldn't be. That's not
664
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,279
what I would be saying in
those ones would be.
665
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,000
If you want to check out
more. Broader
666
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,839
memories conversations,
go check out here.
667
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,799
Also do book reviews, but.
More specifically to
668
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,200
what I just talked about
is a feedback on my training is
669
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,880
are things here
that you want to know
670
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,880
more about now? In particular,
I was trying to source
671
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,480
people putting. Emails
onto our website to. Submit
672
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,039
if they would want to get
more very specific training. Why?
673
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,599
Because I could be another.
Source of supporting people out
674
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,640
in. Other ways
of getting income. Right.
675
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,960
So but quite specifically.
To the. Boost to grams. Right.
676
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Like again, I want to be
transparent with them. Like I'm
677
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,000
not at the moment.
It really would be if.
678
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,480
I was to spend the
how many hours would it
679
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:27,839
take to get it all set up.
So it's probably
680
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,519
going through in a
advertising well,
681
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,000
not advertising.
But putting it properly
682
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,359
through and. Doing the
the clips and the timings
683
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,759
and everything to that
same. Level of quality.
684
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,680
That our existing mere mortals.
Government
685
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,440
or if it's audio focus now
it sounds like you want it
686
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,559
to be video focussed is Yeah.
That's why I would want it.
687
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,960
Yeah definitely be video
aspects for this one.
688
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,720
I want aspects of video focussed
so it's very different.
689
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,559
Video aspects as in
this would be displaying things
690
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:57,000
the whole time through a video
but articulating with enough
691
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,599
through the audio of what
I'm talking. Through. Yeah I'm,
692
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:03,559
I, I think you're you're
you're forcing it.
693
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:07,319
You got to pick one or the other.
So I think if you want to
694
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:11,160
do video go the full route.
Don't even bother putting
695
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,039
an audio podcast out.
If you're going to be
696
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,319
showing things Now once again,
you can do it with the
697
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,440
the chapter images.
Not many people use it,
698
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:24,519
so you'd have to be saying that.
And I know you don't
699
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:26,039
create chapters because
you don't seem like
700
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:27,799
you don't care about it
that much, which is fine.
701
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:31,519
I do. So I put them in.
I would pick one or the other.
702
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,920
I wouldn't, I wouldn't go.
I guess I'd, I'd.
703
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,920
I'd say at least
from my perspective,
704
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:41,119
it sounds wrong. In an example
I've just
705
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,640
very recently listened to,
which is biology
706
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:49,160
with Peter McCormack in that
that was a conversation
707
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:51,880
where it very heavily
favoured watching it
708
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,720
on video. Correct.
Didn't give a shit,
709
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,119
listen to an audio
the whole time.
710
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,440
So if it was like, like
in fact I was like
711
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720
there was some point for.
Sure that I went, Man,
712
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,960
I really kind of
wish I could see that.
713
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,720
But I was listening to it
when I was working out.
714
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,359
I kind of I was like,
I interpret what's going.
715
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,039
On here through the audio
version now. I did.
716
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,159
I did just enough to enable that.
If you don't, then I would.
717
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,599
Say, okay, well,
this is almost pointless
718
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,280
because there's a lot of,
hey, look at this.
719
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,159
Hey, watch this video.
This is the case with Joe Rogan
720
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,280
a lot of the times
where they might watch
721
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,119
a video on TV or something
happening for 10 minutes.
722
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,559
And from an audio format,
you're like, man, I don't know
723
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,719
what the hell is going on.
That's kind of it. We might skip
724
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,159
through this. So I,
I could definitely see
725
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,639
myself putting in a video
and audio where there's enough.
726
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,760
Of a. Conversion to the audio
that I'm talking through,
727
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,320
which, look, to be honest,
what would be on a video
728
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:42,199
would be presenting of,
you know, the first part
729
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,920
and the strength
basis and skill set
730
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,639
and the power bases.
But it would be
731
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960
in the conversation of me
articulate, okay,
732
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
we of all had squat
this is what generally
733
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000
might be allowed etc.
that you're not going
734
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,719
to get from the video.
The videos are going
735
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,159
to have that.
It's just going to be
736
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,800
a static view of a page.
So I'd say you could. And I think
737
00:34:56,599 --> 00:35:01,159
in listening to the
if if also say
738
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,639
that yours was correct,
I'll go double.
739
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,079
I would not have like
for me like I would
740
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,320
I mean, a. Listener I'd gone now.
I didn't work because
741
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:10,159
I were talking about.
Charts and things and.
742
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,679
Look at this chart. And I went,
I kind of understood it
743
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,199
even without. Having a look
at the charts directly.
744
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,239
Yeah. Which I guess
is the differentiation.
745
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,920
I guess for us still.
That it comes to.
746
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,800
There's a lot of features
in the app,
747
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,880
you know, podcasting to an
I around, hey.
748
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,559
You can look at the image
that I'm talking about podcasts.
749
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,960
Stuff like that. Which I think
is the difference. Between us,
750
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,719
where I think for you that is a,
that's a valuable thing.
751
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,800
And I think
for the way that you might
752
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,840
consume podcasts,
it seems useful.
753
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,280
Whereas for me still I go
lots of seems useful
754
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,480
in some very limited
remote concepts
755
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,480
in the way that I listen.
Podcasts. Yeah,
756
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:49,320
well to your question before the
setting it all up
757
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239
and now it wouldn't
take long for the audio.
758
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,760
Per each one. Not that,
not just just one.
759
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,559
To just go to stream.
You've got the podcast.
760
00:35:56,119 --> 00:36:00,800
It wouldn't be any different
from log into Sprout.
761
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,039
Whatever you do now,
it would just be setting
762
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:08,119
up a new feed, setting up
the splits that you want
763
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,639
for that feed, and then it's
just the same,
764
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:16,440
the exact same process. So
yeah, I'm
765
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:19,880
much more mindful of the
I think like polluting
766
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:22,400
a feed is what I would
kind of colon where it's
767
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,559
you just chucking.
It's like if, if it's
768
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,559
what you're imagining
that sounds like a solo
769
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:31,559
type deal.
I don't think I want that
770
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:33,039
getting mixed up without
our main feed. Gotcha.
771
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,920
Because those are conversations
is what people come there for.
772
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,480
I would view that
as just as different
773
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,480
as kind of the book
reviews, to be honest. Yeah,
774
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,719
I was thinking it through
as well in terms of,
775
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,119
well, if I was to do more
fitness things, what if I had
776
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:48,000
conversations with people
in the fitness space?
777
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,079
Then I went, Well, I would
want that to be in.
778
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,599
The Mere Mortals podcast because
we do have conversations that.
779
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:54,480
That would just be streams
in the fitness, kind of similar
780
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,920
to how Joe Rogan
would have a may ones
781
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,280
and then normal
sort of conversations
782
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,119
and not different numbers.
But underneath the one
783
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,119
stream I kind of guy.
Well, I really wouldn't
784
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:05,000
want to do it.
As a separate altogether
785
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,159
podcast line where
there's just fitness.
786
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,119
I would just go, Well,
that would just form
787
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,559
on the conversations
within the mere mortals.
788
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,599
So I kind of go, Okay, what?
I really just want to
789
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,320
have one. Off with this.
Particular fitness thing
790
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,360
talking about this,
but then bring it again
791
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,440
into the mere mortals.
Guide Okay, Would
792
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,199
that create confusion.
For people as well? I actually,
793
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:28,199
I guess I haven't thought
through what. Would be
794
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,599
and stay better for people
who are consuming it
795
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,800
as well. Yeah.
Let's talk about this more
796
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,760
because I've got some ideas
and I think there's a way
797
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,760
that we can do it
and set it up, but
798
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,440
probably not in
the next couple of months.
799
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,559
But after that,
I think I think that's on.
800
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:44,639
I've got some thoughts on
that. Yep.
801
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,440
Just a couple of random things.
I did promise that I would
802
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,960
give a shout out to people
who are close
803
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:55,639
to getting T-shirts.
So we have Col McCormack,
804
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:58,280
who's just past the 50 K
barrier came from America
805
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,159
plus Very cool.
I've got Gene being
806
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,960
he should be at about
65 K at the moment.
807
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,039
So getting up there, nice
nice volunteer technologist
808
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:09,400
and then Macintosh 91.
Oh he's, he's at the edge.
809
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,760
He's right there from
the generation Bitcoin.
810
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,400
So that's a there's very
few people there who are.
811
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,280
Almost in. T-shirts. And
for those who are
812
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,360
wondering what that means,
if you go to Mere Mortals
813
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,880
podcast dot com slash report,
you'll see there's
814
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:26,880
an explanation there.
If you donate a certain
815
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,639
amount to the show equivalent
to 100,000 satoshis,
816
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,159
which is about 45
bucks at the moment.
817
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:36,280
We will send you a t shirt
mere mortals
818
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,880
limited edition only.
I do remember how many
819
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,440
we ordered. 20, 25, maybe. 20,
maybe 25. Something like that.
820
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,440
Not not that many in
existence like you'd be.
821
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,159
It'd be one of the few. And about
half of those people
822
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,320
have altered the shirts,
tie, dyed it, cut it off at the,
823
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
cut the sleeves off
to make it into a singlet,
824
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,599
you know. So if.
You all unique if you're.
825
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,679
Walking around original. People,
people are going to go
826
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,800
that's a one of
a kind, they say. Right. Jeez,
827
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,519
do you need a run off is okay.
All right. So we've talked about
828
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,760
branding a little bit.
There's a couple of things
829
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,679
related to refining our value
for value in the website domain.
830
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,000
I should like,
I'll bring that up. So the ME
831
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,760
model podcast dot com,
I kind of want to make
832
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,760
that a a landing zone.
I think that is
833
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,800
a good thing to have.
Is that how. Deeply tied
834
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000
is that with Wix?
So if we say we want
835
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,760
to start using WordPress,
that domain me and models
836
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,760
podcast dot com,
can we get that back
837
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,320
or is that kind of Wix
says Now do you know how
838
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,639
that works?
So you. Get the dressing.
839
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,880
I think you're getting
a confused. The domain itself
840
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,960
isn't a week's own thing
you the domain but.
841
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,519
We bought it kind of threw
through. Them. Right.
842
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,039
But it's a third party
through to another place
843
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,840
that owns a domain.
So which should be cheaper. Yeah.
844
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,679
So we would
we could carry that name
845
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,000
domain to wherever.
So that's not hard to.
846
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,599
That's separate. Separate. Okay.
It is the shifting
847
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,559
of the platform
of the website slash
848
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,599
code to another. Yeah. Yeah.
That that would build up.
849
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,440
Yes. Like a WordPress.
Yeah. Okay. All right, cool.
850
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,480
All right.
I just want to make sure
851
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,800
that because domain name
is so weird, man. I remember
852
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,920
bitching about that
I can to you in the past
853
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,719
and just how silly
that seems to me where
854
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,840
just one company controls
all the domains and. Yeah, okay.
855
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,079
All right.
That's good thing to know.
856
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,440
All right, this is the
perhaps more spicy one. Oh, okay.
857
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,679
So this is more just related to,
I guess, like the money and the.
858
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,440
Yeah, there's.
An interesting view on this yet.
859
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,239
Okay. So first one, money,
fame and ambition.
860
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,480
So I only want enough to get by.
So for example, if Huskie blew up
861
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,320
my stupid bitcoin thing,
if that blew up and
862
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:53,480
I became a millionaire,
I would have way less
863
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:58,000
effort in doing things
that would kind of
864
00:40:53,880 --> 00:41:00,239
grow the show perhaps
inorganically or
865
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,960
I don't know what
the best way to frame it.
866
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,400
So for example, say was
start to get popular
867
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,639
and people were like wanting us
to appear on their shows.
868
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,599
And I was
I was just kind of going
869
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,840
like, and look, once
there's a momentum going,
870
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,039
you kind of want to keep it up.
This is why I see Balaji
871
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:21,440
going on. Peter McCormick's CFTC,
you know, Joe Rogan by law,
872
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,599
they all kind of like
bounce around quickly.
873
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,840
If I was wealthy enough,
I would probably just go like,
874
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,159
I don't know
if I want to do that,
875
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,920
but and I just want
I wanted to get
876
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:39,480
your thoughts on like
money, fame and ambition. Do you
877
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,760
how much do you care?
There's also
878
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,199
part of the video aspect.
I was hearing
879
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,039
some people just talking
about being more recognised
880
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:48,800
because they do video
and I'm like too, that
881
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:55,039
just sounds like it sucks.
What what is your kind of like
882
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,599
imaginings for
the the mere mortals in terms
883
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,039
of the money aspects?
Do you want it to be like,
884
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:04,079
how do you do you ever want
to make money from it?
885
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,519
Do you want it to be
just enough to get by?
886
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,760
Do you want it
to be very successful?
887
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,320
What what is
what are you kind of like
888
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,920
long term thoughts? Yeah. Well,
I'd probably say.
889
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920
A year into the podcast
I sort of visualise it.
890
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Okay, well, like we're setting up
and we were doing.
891
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,559
We had the spreadsheet
and tracking and,
892
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,119
you know, Facebook followers,
an Instagram followers.
893
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,800
We're going to do some percentage
increases in listenership
894
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,519
aside down,
but look, from a beginning
895
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,280
perspective, what you don't
measure, you. Know,
896
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,039
you're not actually
managing. Yes. So there's
897
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,599
some perspective or beginning of.
Going like, okay, well we.
898
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,039
Need to. Point ourselves
somewhere.
899
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,039
So we point out so yeah.
Yeah, that. Was I think that
900
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,000
evolved into, okay,
well what does that mean from a.
901
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Revenue perspective?
And at the time it was
902
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,199
there's advertising,
there's YouTube,
903
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,800
there's the other things
and we stumbled
904
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,920
upon podcasting to put out
and that's giving through
905
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,360
some sort of value. I think now,
especially this latest.
906
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,440
Tracking from financially,
it's the financial year
907
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,400
that we are now.
I've kind of come
908
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400
to a realisation.
Real realisation with the podcast
909
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,039
and it's the I think
you said it was like you.
910
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,599
Wanted to have enough to
it just be like
911
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,800
it making it meets. That's sort
of where it needs me.
912
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,599
I went, oh, actually full flat.
Now it's don't, you don't care
913
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,880
in the sense of like it could be.
Bringing $0 wouldn't matter.
914
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,719
Me So a. Lot of my decisions.
Now are cool.
915
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,199
I'm going to do things.
For the podcast and the people
916
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,719
that I'm putting value
and the value is no long.
917
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,440
And maybe this is where
it's slightly different.
918
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,119
To me around the Valley
Full Valley model
919
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:33,559
of the podcasting to buyer.
Yeah, where it's. I'll definitely
920
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,599
will ask people of, Hey,
if you want to support us
921
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,760
through this method. Of sending
through bootcamps.
922
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,320
It is kind of like the funnest
way, let's just say,
923
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,079
because it's,
I think through value.
924
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,239
We can comment on it. It's
directly on something.
925
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,280
I do still find that
better than a. Random comment
926
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:47,280
or a random subscription.
That's been a.
927
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,519
By a honestly, at the end.
That's not the value
928
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,599
that I so much care.
To impart anymore.
929
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,480
I go, You want to talk
about making money
930
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,719
in a podcasting perspective
unless you're at the very top,
931
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,760
you, you know, making that much.
And honestly,
932
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,679
I've been looking at a
couple of things for you
933
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,039
lately, man. There's way
better ways to make money,
934
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,519
honestly,
way been twice and I went
935
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,199
in terms of the hours spent
on some of the things I'm doing.
936
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,239
Like you mentioned,
it's only an hour to set this up.
937
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719
There's only a few other things
you start realising.
938
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,039
I think from finance
myself, I went.
939
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,280
Now having a family
as reduce amount of time.
940
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,400
There's a lot of things that I'm.
Dealing
941
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,800
and managing at the moment
and I spent here
942
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,920
that's hundreds of dollars
of losing. Somewhere else
943
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,679
and doing. Something and I go,
I want to do it
944
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,960
because it's not that I'm.
Expecting X
945
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:33,000
amount of return from it.
So a lot of the things
946
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,519
I'm wanting to do
in terms of the quality
947
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,679
of the video productions or audio
or conversations are fun.
948
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,320
They're fun and they're
valuable for me,
949
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,559
hopefully valuable from people.
People example
950
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,559
when I have a conversation
with Jeff you next week,
951
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,719
do I expect that to have any.
Boost Grams or any value
952
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,320
come through? Not at all.
In fact, couldn't give you
953
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,679
it could not give
like a zero amount or
954
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,280
if that makes $1,000, $0,
what do you care about?
955
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,400
It is asking questions
that are interesting for people
956
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,800
to find that interesting.
Specifically,
957
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,119
some of the conversations
around CBT, CBD. Seeds.
958
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,039
And what it is
in terms of regulations.
959
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,920
Here in Australia.
That I'm interested about.
960
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,880
I think other people.
Will be just about I go, Hey,
961
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440
if there's enough people
listening to this
962
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,840
and find value from it,
that's value. In itself.
963
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,239
I've had real fun to do it
and I take time
964
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,559
out of my day for it.
So for me to make
965
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,440
decisions, kind of like
playing around, Hey,
966
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:28,079
if we create another.
Different podcast, it
967
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,920
helps people to absorb it.
It maybe gets more Basecamp.
968
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,639
That's me. I got cool
if it helps with that way.
969
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,559
Let's do it for me
personally, I don't get I don't.
970
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,599
Okay, but. But.
And then get to the fine
971
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,800
now I don't. Think we both are
great on that
972
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,480
ambition is probably more
the other. One. Yeah yeah.
973
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,559
And so is.
There an ambition you have
974
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:48,679
for the mere. Mortals?
I think, and I think
975
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,239
the ambition for sure.
The ambition is to build
976
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:52,800
enough of a.
Cohort of the mere mortals
977
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,199
ecosystem that it's people
that are thinking. Talking around
978
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
similar things. Once again,
one of the things I did
979
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,519
many months ago,
almost nearly a year ago
980
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,079
now from a goals perspective,
was I to create my.
981
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,000
Own sounding board.
This is kind of.
982
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,960
How I see the podcast
in terms of me
983
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,519
being able to put out
information, conversations,
984
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:16,440
thoughts, ideas
that can be sort of found
985
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,639
within an ecosystem
where it is a sounding
986
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,360
board. So, you know.
Whether you want to
987
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,159
support or not through a.
Boost screaming.
988
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,679
Valuable channel, awesome,
That does help the best.
989
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,519
The end value, though,
that I want is. Almost to create
990
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,920
a culture of almost a
sounding board for myself
991
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,480
full of memorials for others
where it could be, Hey,
992
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,719
I've got a thought about and this
when it comes to fitness,
993
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,360
hey, I'm doing this
particular thing per week or.
994
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,079
I'm doing this
I would want to build. Yeah,
995
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,199
not every person within
the community might
996
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,639
have this information.
But I might be someone in there.
997
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,159
Oh, actually, I tried this.
I did something similar
998
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,199
or I did this in October.
Getting this different
999
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,360
experience I got. I think.
That that's more valuable
1000
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,760
insight for me,
or at least what I'm going
1001
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,880
to find myself optimising. For.
Yeah, once again, you know,
1002
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,119
the sounding
board, it's good, but
1003
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:03,920
the best sounding board
we have been has been
1004
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,079
through histograms.
And so it's not, you know,
1005
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,840
for me it's definitely like, oh,
we can kind of make some money
1006
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,440
and we get this amazing
resource of people
1007
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,360
actually tuning in because
if you think of the, you know,
1008
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,079
how many people have
we bagged over the years
1009
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,519
to leave us reviews on
Apple agents? They didn't
1010
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,679
leave what they did. When I
personally sent them.
1011
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:34,199
Message for. My Instagram
leaving comments,
1012
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,239
they didn't talk to us.
Join the Discord. They didn't.
1013
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,800
And look, a lot of this
once again is on us.
1014
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,960
We I don't think of the greatest
a building community
1015
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,199
that's once again
one of our weaknesses, but
1016
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,760
I think we are now
starting to find it
1017
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,760
with the boost to grams
in the messages. So
1018
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,800
yeah and that aspects
geez look I'm the more money
1019
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,719
grubbing of the two of us
because for me this this is how
1020
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:04,719
I want to create a living
and so it will need to
1021
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:07,719
have at least
some strategic thoughts
1022
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:10,920
in my head about it.
So getting on to
1023
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:14,840
for example, money splits.
So I watched this Joe
1024
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,719
Rogan episode
where he was talking
1025
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,840
with the lead
singer of the Smashing
1026
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,440
Pumpkins, you know,
Smashing Pumpkins. That's
1027
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:24,400
kind of the name of the.
Yeah, yeah. Skipping on his name.
1028
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,880
One of the things he was saying
was and it really stuck in
1029
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:36,199
my mind was he was the main
music creator,
1030
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,280
the writer of the music.
I can't remember
1031
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,079
what that actual name
of the person is.
1032
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,079
And so he was creating
most of the music and
1033
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,920
he asked for
from the record companies
1034
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,920
and from his bandmates.
He was saying, I'm
1035
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,159
doing more work than you.
I want a bigger split.
1036
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:59,519
MM So you'd say, that's fair.
He was saying in the end
1037
00:48:56,519 --> 00:49:00,679
that was a mistake.
They should have just split it
1038
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:05,559
evenly because that ended up
creating so much
1039
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:09,519
conflicts, so much drama
about it, and basically
1040
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:12,360
splitting up the band
that he he shouldn't
1041
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,199
have done that.
He should have just said,
1042
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:17,519
look, I'm putting in more effort.
I'm just kind of to,
1043
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:19,159
you know, suck it up
for the kind of like
1044
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,400
long term potential.
Well, not even suck it
1045
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:24,559
up, you know,
just rewire your brain
1046
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,960
to to realise there's
this perhaps value being
1047
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,440
done in different ways.
And I see us in
1048
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,079
kind of similar conflict,
which is, you know, I'm
1049
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,079
doing the video editing,
the audio editing.
1050
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:41,280
You show up to a lot of stuff,
I'm doing the posting and I want
1051
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,559
to make sure that we don't
fall into a similar thing,
1052
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,639
which could happen.
So for example,
1053
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:50,760
at the moment, the splits
even 30% to 30% to me, 30%
1054
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,760
to a joint one, 10%
to developers,
1055
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,239
the valley for value.
So this is where
1056
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,360
we need our discussions
at the moment.
1057
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,519
I've got kind of like 50%
to me, 30% to
1058
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:06,239
the kind of joint account,
and then the rest is to
1059
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:12,480
develop is available or help us
in the future. You know,
1060
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:15,480
I just want to make sure,
like I don't get
1061
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,679
to a point where it's like
I am literally
1062
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,679
fucking out of money. I can't
do the podcast anymore
1063
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:24,480
because I need to go back
to my old engineering job
1064
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:31,079
or some of the other sort.
You thankfully
1065
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,360
you have a large income
from your normal job
1066
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,360
and that is less
of a concern, as you said.
1067
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,920
So in terms of
so one, I do want to make
1068
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,480
enough from the podcast
to get by that's strategic
1069
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:49,400
on my part to I want to make sure
that it's not going to be
1070
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,400
something that causes
a rift between us.
1071
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,679
So what are your thoughts
on like, you know,
1072
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,480
a year's time we're making
40 grand a year, we're
1073
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,480
splitting that evenly
and I'm going like,
1074
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,760
Hey, Juan, I, I can't
survive by on 20 grand a year
1075
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,960
with an either like,
change the splits
1076
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,159
or I'm going to have
to, like, just step away.
1077
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,800
Yeah, it's a good call, actually.
And it's interesting because,
1078
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,880
you know, I've had experience now
definitely working
1079
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,960
with well, doing business
with other friends as well.
1080
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,519
And I haven't
this is my one and only.
1081
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:26,880
One of the things I've seen.
You know, there's actually
1082
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,920
as Omar that he said it
and from what I just
1083
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,599
articulated before it.
It feels like it's a no brainer.
1084
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:35,679
And as I'm about to say it.
I think people were guided
1085
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,320
by the. Constant
like it sounds bullshit.
1086
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,599
It may be part of me,
why would I get
1087
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:43,199
greedy or something?
But I think the reality
1088
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,840
is, once again, I kind of.
Like have to found myself
1089
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,639
in, Hey, I just it out
on. The podcast
1090
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,000
and doesn't really matter
in the money.
1091
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,440
Now obviously there's a
there is a level
1092
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,119
that it makes sense that,
you know, we're talking
1093
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,239
not 40 grand, but we're talking
4 million. Okay. There's reality.
1094
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,920
That if you. Can build
now this obverse of what
1095
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,079
I'm doing, then okay, that's a.
Whole different kettle of fish.
1096
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:02,760
I'm not even. Sure it's
worth saying that
1097
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,280
because the the best
people that I see, Adam Corey,
1098
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,960
I don't think you're going
to get better than him at this.
1099
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,440
I fucking created this
this model, at least their value
1100
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960
for value. And we'll talk
about that in a second,
1101
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,079
that it's not that level.
It's well, once again,
1102
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,320
I think it's at the
kind of like half 1000000
1103
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,239
to 1000000 range, you know. Sure.
But and I think. This is where
1104
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,480
we probably differ.
That what your
1105
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,239
and there's probably
like a long term view
1106
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,880
what do you see
as like the Mere Mortals.
1107
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,239
Podcast but. I kind of
drop the podcasts
1108
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,519
out of it, right?
I'm just talking mere
1109
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,199
mortals as a continuum.
There is much broader things as.
1110
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,719
The podcast as I see.
That as well that I'm not talking
1111
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,039
particularly nearly 1 billion.
I'm talking much
1112
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,119
more than that in a. Very.
Okay. I think. All right, maybe
1113
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,199
we are talking slightly.
Now in that relation. I go, okay.
1114
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:50,639
And that's a very
different kettle of fish.
1115
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,679
I'll look it. But yeah,
if we're talking dead,
1116
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,599
like for honestly hot off
to like kind of run
1117
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,320
the numbers in my mind
of what that looks like.
1118
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,559
But the reality is, hey,
the podcast making 80
1119
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,440
grand a year, I'd be like,
where I said
1120
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,159
to that guy, I don't care
about taking the singles
1121
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,360
all out of that.
In terms of pooling it
1122
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:11,920
out, I'd go.
Well, whether that stays with you
1123
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:13,400
in terms of just living.
Plus investing in the.
1124
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,079
Memorial to continue
growing fucking who cares?
1125
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,079
There might come a. Point in time
where that okay,
1126
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,400
now it makes sense
that, you know,
1127
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,760
we're getting above.
It just like the bare
1128
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:25,159
minimum of it. Now it's.
On it to be enough that.
1129
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:28,400
It's or you can pool,
plus you can really grow with it.
1130
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,519
Okay, there's
different ceiling talk.
1131
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,480
But I think where I stand
today, I guy
1132
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,519
now I feel comfortable to
have you if you pose that. To me
1133
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:38,880
where hey it's making 40
grand 20 grand is gonna be
1134
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,039
20 guys going to
you want to don't I can't.
1135
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,320
Like we can continue the
Yeah but I'm. Going to start
1136
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,559
like pool out 20 grand right now
I think I'd.
1137
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,719
Say that makes sense.
That actually makes sense
1138
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,360
because it enables
the podcast to. Keep going
1139
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,639
because theoretically,
if it couldn't,
1140
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880
then it wouldn't be around
and then you wouldn't
1141
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:56,880
have it anymore. So yeah, that's
a very straightforward
1142
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,639
conversation. Now this also very.
Much comes down to at the moment
1143
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,199
the way that I'm structuring
my financial life.
1144
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:08,159
Yeah, like your debt.
This is very interesting
1145
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,760
because most people I'll,
I'll reveal something
1146
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:13,880
that I guess it's lots of footage
but at this stage in time
1147
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,440
I don't care to build
more assets.
1148
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,400
That doesn't matter to me.
I need to build.
1149
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Varying income streams.
Yes, for very particular reasons.
1150
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,320
And so for. Me,
I don't particularly.
1151
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,159
Care to own things
to a certain extent
1152
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:30,519
and to be building money from it.
I do care about revenue
1153
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:32,639
streams now.
Yes, you just mentioned
1154
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,320
that that would be
a revenue stream
1155
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:37,960
in that particular sense.
Right now where I. Need it,
1156
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,119
it's not enough to even
be the stream that I need.
1157
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,880
So it's kind of like,
well, yes, no point.
1158
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,559
If it did that, then okay, cool.
Then we have to kind of
1159
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,960
discuss it because for that,
that it helps me do
1160
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,039
certain things. And so I got okay
then that's a different
1161
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,599
kettle of fish there.
But for that to level a guy
1162
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,880
that's not initially me,
in fact, even if we.
1163
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,000
Decided right now in the way
that I'm thinking value,
1164
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,400
although I'm we're getting 30%,
as you say, 30% split.
1165
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,920
For yourself myself
for the joint one
1166
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,239
that we use an Internet
centre developers
1167
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,639
if we needed to,
if we if you felt
1168
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:06,840
because you're much more.
Involved in the space.
1169
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,360
Again, hey, actually if we
pulled all of that back in
1170
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,000
and just reused it
for whatever puppies,
1171
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,519
I'd be like, awesome.
As long as the end outcome for me
1172
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,000
is that we're getting.
Even more people
1173
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,440
tuning in and more value
to people by listening to us
1174
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,480
get up. Let's go with that,
because the moment.
1175
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,079
It's not a differentiator
for me in that regard. Yeah,
1176
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:30,280
my general thoughts were
I want to avoid the Billy.
1177
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,519
It's Billy. Something like the
the Smashing
1178
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:35,400
Pumpkins, Billy Corgan,
Billy Corgan,
1179
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,000
something like that.
I think that sounds right.
1180
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:43,840
I want to avoid that scenario as
and so basically, like,
1181
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,480
you know, bare minimum is
we split everything
1182
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,239
until we recoup
costs of the investment
1183
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,239
of just like cameras and,
and that stuff
1184
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,480
and ongoing expenses
of audio hosting and things.
1185
00:55:56,679 --> 00:56:03,239
I want to keep a split until
that. Honestly,
1186
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,239
I never want to change it If, if
if that can be the way.
1187
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,719
You maintain that.
That is how I would do it
1188
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,960
and I would it would only be
if I got into like relatively
1189
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,119
desperate straits where I would
be saying that to you
1190
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,119
and yeah, yeah. So that, that,
that's kind of like
1191
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:22,320
the monetary aspect of
we'll talk about
1192
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,239
wallet management
maybe a little bit later
1193
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,480
off the show as well, because I
got an interesting,
1194
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,360
interesting offer at the
Bitcoin made up I went to.
1195
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,039
So the last one,
the spiciest of all
1196
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:39,840
and potential conflicts
via V or die. So I. I want to.
1197
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320
I want to make sure
because I don't think I've ever
1198
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:46,159
actually asked you
are you comfortable
1199
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:48,280
going only value for value
and not doing advertising
1200
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:50,159
because I've kind of feel
like I'm also supporting you and.
1201
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,440
Well, definitely
I know. Yeah, I know.
1202
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,599
You don't care as much
as I do about this one.
1203
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,920
I don't care for sure,
but to absolutely.
1204
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,760
So I think that's b broad scale.
Of when we're talking
1205
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,360
about value for value here
and the distinction
1206
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,239
of advertising,
sometimes when we say
1207
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,639
value for value, this. Podcast
or you. Might hear it,
1208
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,000
you might think that it's just.
Purely the podcasting.
1209
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,039
To buy a nice. Space thing
that we talk about.
1210
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,559
Listener support is.
But it isn't. It isn't. I guess.
1211
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:20,119
For me so I'm
definitely value for value
1212
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,159
or die in the sense that
I don't want. To go to
1213
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:23,719
an the company and say,
Hey, if you give them
1214
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:27,519
$1,000, I will promote
your podcast by saying there's.
1215
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,760
Not a single chance
that I've wanted it. To happen.
1216
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,519
I never want I could buy
money through that format.
1217
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,679
I just don't. Ultimately,
it's not a valuable thing
1218
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:39,360
that I think I want to share now.
Is there formats in where
1219
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,199
I can provide value to you
that might sound
1220
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,000
like an advertiser?
And so what I mean by. This is.
1221
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,119
Let's take the fitness
thing once again.
1222
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,480
Say, Hey, I'm doing.
This things with. Fitness.
1223
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,920
I've gotten ten people on board,
each one's paying 50 bucks.
1224
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,519
If you want to join
in, pay me 50 bucks a week
1225
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:59,559
or per month
that I kind of look away
1226
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,239
from being advertising
and more value that
1227
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,639
that's completely okay.
That's why I want you
1228
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:06,599
to source, right.
So that I can see myself
1229
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:09,159
formally doing. But also.
Listening to something
1230
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,639
like Ryan holidays. And you know
the injected as a guy.
1231
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,440
Yeah, yeah. No no. I don't
I don't want this and.
1232
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,920
Again goes back to like honestly.
If someone like us you know
1233
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,039
this is going to happen right now
but if someone like
1234
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,960
Spotify came to us like hey.
We'll buy you for $10. Million
1235
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:30,360
and will inject ads.
I kind of feel like
1236
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,840
I don't know the position.
And obviously. Would offered,
1237
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,360
you know, we'd
have to talk about it.
1238
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,199
But realistically,
I would want to start
1239
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,480
the conversation with, can
we please just remove ads.
1240
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,360
From any of this content, like
please don't have any ads.
1241
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,440
And if it was like on,
I'm going to have to.
1242
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,079
Check that out. But it's there's
a very real possibility. Like,
1243
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,119
I just don't want do that.
I just don't want to do that.
1244
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:51,719
I'll read. All right. My my point
and I've said never, never,
1245
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,199
never will at times. But this is
this I'm serious. This is never,
1246
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,400
never serious. If Spotify came
for 10 million bucks
1247
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,320
and offered to buy us out,
it would be a platinum.
1248
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,159
And I want to kind of
warn you about it,
1249
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,800
because if this
if this ever happens
1250
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:10,679
where it's like,
you know, you get into
1251
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,360
some financial straits
or something
1252
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,679
and we have an easy offer
for quick money for ads,
1253
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,039
I'm going to say no.
And it's going to be like,
1254
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:20,639
I'm sorry, Juan.
Even if you're like,
1255
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,960
stuck and struggling
at the moment, I can't do this.
1256
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,880
So just just say no.
And vice versa for me.
1257
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,960
Like, I if I'm really
struggling, it'll be like
1258
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,280
I would rather stop
the podcast than put ads
1259
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,960
and look what
you were talking about.
1260
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,519
I think is is kind of
slightly separate,
1261
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:43,079
which is the minimalist brand
new mentioning before
1262
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:45,519
about getting an intern perhaps
doing that, you know,
1263
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:48,159
offloading some work
that we could do.
1264
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:51,599
There's not a podcast
here in Brisbane
1265
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:53,920
who was telling me about
how you know how his cousin
1266
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:56,320
is helping him out and his
cousin is doing audio
1267
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,320
stuff it at university.
So it's kind of like,
1268
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,960
makes sense.
I'm kind of really cool with you
1269
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,360
doing things outside of it
as long as I don't
1270
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,360
have to touch it. So for example,
with this fitness one,
1271
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:14,119
if you do that all yourself,
if you manage it all yourself,
1272
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:17,920
it's still under the
the mere models. You know, it's
1273
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,480
not value for value
you'd be asking
1274
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,480
for a certain amount
for from them.
1275
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,000
It's a subscription way better
than advertising but still not,
1276
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,079
not like the
value for value would die.
1277
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,320
You know, if you're doing that,
I'm kind of cool with that.
1278
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,559
I'm fine with that.
Same with like you were talking
1279
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:36,559
about the clock punch thing using
that as an incentive. Yeah,
1280
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:41,719
you know, if I can go
nuts, I don't really mind the and
1281
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,280
that's the interesting
thing with, with ads
1282
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,079
is a lot of it
actually is this time chewing up
1283
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,039
which you were saying
you know your time super valuable
1284
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,239
if you get ads,
if you have people who go
1285
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,079
you've created a service for,
you're going to be doing
1286
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:02,079
a lot of custom management
of meetings of people
1287
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:04,239
going like 1%. Yep. You know, one
that you didn't
1288
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:07,079
deliver this on time or you know,
this isn't formatted properly.
1289
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:11,639
I can't get access.
I need new login
1290
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:13,159
details, my friend
and blah, blah, blah.
1291
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,159
I want to avoid as much of
that as possible.
1292
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,079
If we get an intern like
I want you to be doing
1293
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,000
the performance reviews,
negotiations, things like.
1294
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,840
Like, I just.
I don't want to touch it.
1295
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,039
Yeah, I know about that.
And but once again, I'm
1296
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,679
kind of cool. Like,
if you want to create
1297
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:37,639
something off the side, I just.
I just don't want to touch
1298
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:41,119
it. It's emails. Yes.
And going back to,
1299
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,840
I guess, the broad topic
we're talking about here,
1300
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,719
it's a 400 round. What's to come
to the podcast? What's the chain?
1301
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,360
So to give you an example.
But I think.
1302
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,639
I am going to put together
this fitness conversation
1303
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,519
or think that I present
on a weekly basis now
1304
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,159
where it comes to.
Me doing it underneath
1305
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,159
me and more podcasts.
Hey, I'll do it. Then I'll trade
1306
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,639
video and audio and I'll.
Manage that
1307
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:01,719
and I'll put it together.
But if, as you said,
1308
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:03,119
like in a few months, you.
Go, Hey, I want to put.
1309
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,400
Under a separate RSS feed,
I'm going to have it.
1310
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,039
It's called. Mere Mortals
Like. Fitness. And then
1311
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,280
we have conversations and we can
just put things in there.
1312
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,199
I'll just put on the like.
It kind of doesn't
1313
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:15,960
philosophy go either.
Way if it doesn't affect you?
1314
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,800
Yeah, for me, I can go like
it doesn't matter
1315
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,719
either way. Yeah, I.
Think Mike, this is like
1316
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,559
a good balance too. So to have,
if I'm willing
1317
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,320
to put in the effort
and it doesn't bother you,
1318
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:27,280
like I'll do it if you want to
put in the effort
1319
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,000
for a sponsorship thing
off the side or whatever
1320
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,199
you like, but no matter.
If you like.
1321
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,199
But if you know, if the
shift would be, you know.
1322
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:38,480
Example here
for the book reviews,
1323
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,440
you know, the book reviews
that you put together.
1324
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,679
You're optimising. Them as well.
And some want for it to be
1325
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,320
for the podcasting too.
But nice place, right?
1326
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
That's what I'm
going to change up, right.
1327
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,559
Like, ooh, they. Say basically
I want to go live,
1328
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:53,559
I want to emphasise
the PayPal or the other,
1329
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:55,199
the main models brand,
probably more than
1330
01:02:55,199 --> 01:03:00,320
the brands, to be honest.
And I think
1331
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,599
I want to make them less
intensive than they have been,
1332
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:05,440
So showing up so much time.
And I'm just not saying.
1333
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,440
Hey, look, and this might be.
The once again, this is a
1334
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,519
the story still develops
that whatever we say here
1335
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:13,480
is not going to be the full site.
And so. What you'll.
1336
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,079
Probably start saying is that
from a client perspective,
1337
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:18,519
they'll be that.
Which is more of a not
1338
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,880
so much pulling back, but.
A time efficiency in some things
1339
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,280
where you'll see me.
This just comes by nature
1340
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,719
of what we're doing. You know,
you're putting together
1341
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,559
3 to 4 book reviews a month.
I'm doing at best,
1342
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:30,239
one book review a month.
And so my one book
1343
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,920
review a month,
if I'm going to be more
1344
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:33,199
high quality.
Like it's going to be,
1345
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,159
I'm going to target it. Toward
a really high quality.
1346
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:36,880
So at the moment.
When I did the last one,
1347
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,239
I, I used all the notes
that I put that a. Lot of nights
1348
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,000
I maybe the next one's
going to be really good.
1349
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Camera work. It's going to
be different views.
1350
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,239
So yes, it might.
But for me I'd go, okay.
1351
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:51,760
One a month,
I can't spend the extra
1352
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,679
two or 3 hours on one.
You can't really.
1353
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:54,559
Do that next 2 to 3 hours
on four. Of them.
1354
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,119
That's well, you know,
12 hours, that's not.
1355
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,519
Reasonable for you. Right.
So it's kind of depends
1356
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,199
how much you can actually
spend. To be honest.
1357
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,039
I kind of have tried. That
and it didn't work. So much.
1358
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:08,639
Yeah. Yeah. Like I was I was re
I would record something
1359
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,880
and I would redo sentences
as if I had an on in the sentence
1360
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,719
and then I would do this
kind of splicing method. Sorry.
1361
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:18,440
And it's not the amp.
And then guess
1362
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,000
this gets to the quality
of what you want to do.
1363
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,679
Mine would be that.
Maybe it goes away a little bit
1364
01:04:22,679 --> 01:04:26,599
from the optimisation
of the audio or the articulation
1365
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:30,760
of something, but more making it
interesting to talk to a viewer
1366
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,039
and say, Here's.
If I go with a book of you
1367
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,760
that might be more of a
viewer thing where I'm
1368
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:37,679
trying to put videos and.
Clips and images
1369
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,400
and irrelevancies, or might be me
trying to articulate
1370
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,719
through audio format
linkages and other things.
1371
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,400
Which takes much more effort.
And you might again,
1372
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,039
this is one of those
things where I'm going, okay.
1373
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,000
I can I can put that capacity
towards doing one a month.
1374
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,599
I'm doing that, and I might do
it for three months ago. Okay,
1375
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,639
I'm investing 9 hours
here over three months
1376
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:57,760
and it's not worth it.
Starting with Yeah. You got it.
1377
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,000
You got you got to play.
With that
1378
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,280
to see whether it's going.
On. I'm going to be
1379
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,039
interested in this.
I if I had to predict, I will say
1380
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:08,199
it. It'll show up too much time
for you time and that.
1381
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,960
But I want to be like
spending it again.
1382
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Yeah you did that kind of
really good one for the CrossFit
1383
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:22,159
Taurean that correct
You put in the time, did that hit
1384
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,519
your expectations?
Honestly, I can't remember
1385
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:24,880
specifically. Then.
What I was thinking
1386
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,800
from a viewer, but honestly
I would have said.
1387
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,880
It would have been like
10,000 views. I think I hit it.
1388
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,199
So I went, okay.
I think I actually
1389
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,920
calculated down
that for the hours that I
1390
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:35,599
was on, I gave her out.
It was like
1391
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:39,360
nine or something like
ten views, pal or
1392
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:40,920
something to that effect.
Right. Okay. No, that's not.
1393
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,119
That's not worth the amount.
Of effort that I put down. Into.
1394
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,960
Yeah. Once. Although it was fun.
So then, you know,
1395
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,119
I kind of balance. It with
well that was a a.
1396
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,920
Fun thing to do.
So what I've done it again,
1397
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,679
I, I could see myself
being like, Oh, that would be fun
1398
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:57,440
to do again. Yeah. If it wasn't
for any views. So to also include
1399
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:00,639
that into the equation.
Yeah. Yeah. I yeah,
1400
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,960
with the family stuff.
Now I'd just say
1401
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,960
your definition of fun
is probably not going to.
1402
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:07,599
Revolve. Around as much.
Correct. Well, I mean if you.
1403
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,639
If you know well reflecting back
one of the very, you know.
1404
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,000
Episodes we do.
Way back in the day, back to
1405
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,679
the original podcasting.
Days, we did
1406
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,079
the memorial challenges,
the challenge.
1407
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:19,440
Of which was the valleys
and push ups. Over now.
1408
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,880
And I've looked back about
when I got mad, like the video
1409
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,559
quality of that. So shit.
The audible section,
1410
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,920
it could have been I.
Thought I was. Okay. Not bad,
1411
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,840
but it could be.
When you compare it. To a.
1412
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,840
YouTube video,
not when you close,
1413
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:36,000
but it was fun
and I could see myself
1414
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,599
doing it again for fun.
Now it's just whether you
1415
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:43,440
then would want to invest
a level. Of. Editing and time
1416
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,360
making it to make it
that much more valuable.
1417
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,960
And again, who
you making a valuable for?
1418
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,320
So yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Sustainability meant. What would.
1419
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,679
It take for you
to still be doing this
1420
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:55,239
in five years
time? Because for example,
1421
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:03,360
the my family. But I, I don't
even want to ask them what
1422
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,519
they think of the podcast
and what I've been doing
1423
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:08,519
the last three is I know
my dad would just be like,
1424
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:11,840
I, it's the kind of
which is why I love him.
1425
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,119
He'd be like,
if people do whatever
1426
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,000
the hell they want to do,
you know, that's
1427
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,000
in their free time for,
you know, good on them.
1428
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,280
It's that attitude
of kind of like,
1429
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,440
I have to force myself
to not say, I think you're
1430
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:31,440
a fucking idiot. Basically.
But was just kind of
1431
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,000
what I want to do.
Sometimes it is genuine apathy.
1432
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,079
I don't care what people do
in this free time.
1433
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:41,039
I don't care if you like,
if you love hating on my bald
1434
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,280
head, on on the
Instagram comments like.
1435
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,000
I don't care that much.
Like if you if you.
1436
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
If you want to go do that
elsewhere, that's fine.
1437
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,000
I just don't want it
particularly towards me.
1438
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:57,679
But family wise, friend wise,
the kind of like social aspect
1439
01:07:57,679 --> 01:07:59,440
do you and I'm
just trying to like,
1440
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,239
bring up any more
potential conflict
1441
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:02,519
so we can kind of
talk about them.
1442
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,480
Now, is there anything
that would stop you from
1443
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:12,800
participating in the memorial?
Is there anything that would make
1444
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,559
you go like,
I don't know if I want
1445
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,360
to keep doing this
or it's like having
1446
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,760
a negative impact on this aspect.
My life, I think. It's
1447
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,520
only if it would if.
I would enter upon a field
1448
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,399
encroach upon like time
with day to day time wise.
1449
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:31,760
So if it all of a sudden became a
an imposition
1450
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,640
for me to have 30 things
have to do a daily
1451
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,600
episode. Yeah, yeah.
Like a daily episode.
1452
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,880
Or how I know a book
review is going to be out
1453
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,640
every fortnight for this.
I just know
1454
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,399
I'm not going to be able
to put in the effort
1455
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:43,600
to do it for that. So yeah. It's
not going to happen.
1456
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Similarly with and this. Is why
I don't want to get into
1457
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,520
train of optimising.
For views or something
1458
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,560
else, right?
You put out a podcast
1459
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,520
and this is way back
in the day when we did
1460
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,079
you did Solzhenitsyn book.
Review, right? Yes.
1461
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:57,239
Yeah, that got a massive
amount of views.
1462
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,680
And the reality is, you.
Know, you get talked about
1463
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,600
from a YouTube perspective and.
The algorithm is want
1464
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,359
something like that,
pump out as many more
1465
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,319
as you can around this
because you want to ride
1466
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,479
the bandwagon.
I don't want to get caught
1467
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,800
on neither.
I don't want to have to be
1468
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,680
like, okay,
now I've got to put out
1469
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,439
an episode in the next week
about this. So I make shows
1470
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,560
like if I don't want to be
participating in that.
1471
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,800
That's kind of
what I was talking about
1472
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,960
with the, you know,
if people were
1473
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,359
wanting to interview us
and, you know,
1474
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,000
we get an all these offers
and I'm just like, I'm drained.
1475
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:26,800
I don't want to do this.
Yeah. And similar
1476
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,159
that's the veno is. Yeah.
And I think I'm just fortunate.
1477
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:31,520
Enough now that.
For the large majority
1478
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,520
of what I do now,
I can just impose.
1479
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,600
What I want as opposed
to having to chase things
1480
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:40,079
down. Right. I don't have to.
Go to this
1481
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,760
post wants to be awesome.
I'll jump to do it that often.
1482
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,359
And I really have to
in my personal life
1483
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,079
to be on the podcast.
I'm fine. I'm
1484
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,960
doing fine. It's all good.
The podcast is not what's making.
1485
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,079
Me and my family like survive.
So for me it's fun. It's a hobby.
1486
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:54,720
So if it if. It went past
the point where it was.
1487
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,239
Considered encroaching
onto other things
1488
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,239
on a much more of a high,
that is. Very important for me.
1489
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,359
Absolutely.
That would be happening.
1490
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:05,760
Maybe the clearest way I.
Would say it is
1491
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,439
if in my annual goals
it started encroaching
1492
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,000
upon other things.
That I'm finding
1493
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,560
that are quite important
in my life. It's taken away.
1494
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,479
I okay. There's there's
a level here of how much. Is it
1495
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,880
contributing, taking away.
It's different, obviously.
1496
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,640
Once again, the podcast
making a large amount of
1497
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,920
money to the point
that, you know, I like it.
1498
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,479
I'll put it this way,
even if the podcast
1499
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,239
sort of making
a large amount of money
1500
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:30,359
and it required a lot more.
Effort, say on.
1501
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,600
My part personally,
I'm still at that point
1502
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,039
going to be leaning towards
call up and hire someone.
1503
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:37,279
To manage all of that,
as opposed to me
1504
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:39,319
taking away the time
to be doing for that.
1505
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel you mean the
1506
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,680
kind of like where I
see it in five years time.
1507
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,920
I do think it'll still largely be
not a big team.
1508
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,399
I don't want, I don't want
to manage people if. Want a. Lot.
1509
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:58,159
See if that was going to happen,
it would be one managing it
1510
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,880
and I'd just be the kind of.
What do you mean by large? Seem
1511
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,720
like more than more
than four or five people.
1512
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,680
But yeah, that, that's,
that's large for me. Yeah.
1513
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,720
I mean like I'll,
I'll tell you, you know
1514
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,000
about a lot. Same amount of small
teams, I'd say
1515
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,640
anything more than six or seven
that's starting to get
1516
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,039
a little bit too lots
or just having to put
1517
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:21,680
a lot more constraints
and practices in place.
1518
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:26,279
Underneath that you can massage
really quite fairly light
1519
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,800
touch in a way. Normally
when it comes to business
1520
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,920
as a is a rough like God
that you normally the way that.
1521
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,039
Your business operates
or has the operations
1522
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:37,159
or logically runs changes
when it goes from
1523
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:39,960
1 to 3, 3 to 10,
ten, 30, 30 to 100.
1524
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,840
That's your general
like leaps. Yeah.
1525
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,239
So once you get.
To beyond three, yes,
1526
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:45,279
you need some operations
in place.
1527
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,880
When you get to ten, you can't.
Change entirely
1528
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,039
because then you have
management of management.
1529
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,640
Yeah. So I go.
And so you're right.
1530
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,119
I want to just get it
to that first level
1531
01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:56,439
where there might be
slight amount of things
1532
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,399
that you manage,
where it might be like
1533
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,600
operational pay
and what it might be like.
1534
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,520
Scheduling of certain. Things.
But it's direct,
1535
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,039
it's a 1 to 1, it's
not one to a manager.
1536
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:05,359
The managers.
People don't want to.
1537
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:08,479
I don't want to get to that sort
of level of abstraction.
1538
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,239
100% for for that
and even for the the
1539
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,359
the light touches,
I'm probably not suited for that.
1540
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:19,039
As I've said
many times in the past, I
1541
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:21,520
any type of leader
leadership position
1542
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,800
I have shied away from actively
worked to not get because I.
1543
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:32,479
I don't want to do that. Okay.
Last one. Probably
1544
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,319
like just the last thing.
What could cause any resentment,
1545
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:39,560
do you think? I think the
the future is bright,
1546
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:41,960
but the the main thing
that you see that stops show
1547
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:47,880
or stops a brand from occurring,
I think is resentment being built
1548
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:50,079
up, the founders
hating each other
1549
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:52,279
and anything like that.
Is there anything
1550
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:54,279
that you think that could
potentially drive
1551
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:57,960
a wedge between us.
One we'd one we'd one that
1552
01:12:54,279 --> 01:13:00,119
I guess I don't know.
I would like think the story but.
1553
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:06,800
If we are putting a lot of.
Effort and idle like mindspace
1554
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,800
into podcasting to plan
I valley for valley space
1555
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,439
if it came about that
in three years four year time it.
1556
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,760
Wasn't. The next thing
it wasn't the thing
1557
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,119
that's like to actually
pursue down the path of.
1558
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:23,239
All. It gets embroiled
into issues or complexities,
1559
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:26,720
whatever you have, and we
don't adapt to change.
1560
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,600
I'd go, okay,
that might be something
1561
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,640
that is like, okay,
why are we not?
1562
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,159
Are we just deciding to become
embroiled as part of it
1563
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:37,960
or just don't want to shy away
because now we've got time
1564
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,920
to sink into it thinking
that is going to be like.
1565
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,359
Yeah, that.
That's when I would go.
1566
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:44,359
I don't know
if now we're doing this
1567
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:45,359
for the right thing.
Well, we're doing it
1568
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:47,039
purely because of
the invested time that's in here.
1569
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:50,039
So, you know, as we sit
right now in 2023.
1570
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,239
We still view it as I think in a
in the way that you can
1571
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,640
have, you know,
a thousand true fans
1572
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:57,840
that really support
you and make money from that.
1573
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,159
There's probably
got to be the great way
1574
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:02,319
for many podcasters,
musicians out there. Awesome.
1575
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,640
But if in three. Or five years
that's not the case
1576
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,720
and maybe you get seen
in a bad light or goes to shit
1577
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,800
or there's not many people
supporting it and we.
1578
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,039
Still go again and that's
the way we want to do it.
1579
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:15,560
Even though there's now
maybe obvious signs
1580
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,960
where it shouldn't and we don't.
Move away from it.
1581
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,159
To view what other.
Possibilities there are.
1582
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,840
Then that might be something
where it's like, okay,
1583
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,840
yeah, there's going to be
some frank, open conversations
1584
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:31,079
about this because what,
what is the next path
1585
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,399
moving forward? Yeah, yeah,
that's a good point.
1586
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:35,199
I don't think.
Either of us are the type
1587
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,199
to get too drawn
into the kind of cult
1588
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:45,079
like. Like nature the. Hmm.
How would I put this?
1589
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:49,800
The I think the,
the aspect of value for
1590
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,960
value kind of rules out
some of the,
1591
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,039
the problems with that because
value is very subjective.
1592
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:58,920
So if we found you know,
Internet changes is the
1593
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,520
Apple Vision pro
is now this amazing thing
1594
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:07,560
and people are transferring value
within a certain context
1595
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,039
within that ecosystem.
And that's like
1596
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,000
biggest thing. Yeah.
And it's not through
1597
01:15:09,039 --> 01:15:13,479
micropayments of bitcoin.
You know, I'm
1598
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,439
okay with being like,
yeah, well we'll
1599
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,359
go where the value is. Obviously
if people are wanting
1600
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:22,079
to send us through,
I don't know what you call
1601
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:27,920
them. Apples. To apples
in the Vision Pro. Sure.
1602
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:31,520
We go down that path.
So it's more the,
1603
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:34,600
the more I guess underlying
base aspect would be
1604
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,600
would either of us get to a point
where we kind of have like,
1605
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,600
no, not enough
faith in humanity, that
1606
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,880
good effort is rewarded
and it needs to be kind
1607
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:48,640
of extracted,
you know, in a like it's
1608
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:50,520
not in a voluntary aspect.
It has to be done in a
1609
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:55,359
more heavy handed force
philosophy. Yeah, like in a stick
1610
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,399
axe way of asking like
you have to give me now for that.
1611
01:15:56,399 --> 01:16:01,039
Yes. And I which
and there's a reason
1612
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:03,720
you do it this way
because you want a more
1613
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:06,640
guaranteed income stream.
Value for value by its nature
1614
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:11,520
is going to fluctuate. So that's
that's the only way where I could
1615
01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:15,479
potentially see
some conflicts or perhaps
1616
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:18,520
just something related to
because because we do have
1617
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,119
definitely slight
differences in terms of
1618
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:24,479
I think once again, the ambition.
I think if you saw something
1619
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:29,239
really kicking off and it did
and it did have
1620
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,279
that kind of momentum behind it,
and you're like,
1621
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:32,479
if we just did this thing,
if we just started
1622
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:34,560
promoting here,
if we just started doing that,
1623
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,000
I could see myself being like,
I don't want to do that one.
1624
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,319
Like, I know that's not
that doesn't sound right to me.
1625
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:43,840
That's the only kind of way where
I could kind of see it.
1626
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,399
But I think for the most
part, you know, that's
1627
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:49,840
that's the kind of stuff
where it's like, well, you know,
1628
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,600
if you get into like
a massive brain injury
1629
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,720
through a car crash
and your personality
1630
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,800
completely changes,
which does happen. Yeah,
1631
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,159
it's kind of on that level
of like unpredictable illness.
1632
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,880
I don't think that's.
Yeah, that's not something
1633
01:17:01,359 --> 01:17:05,039
you plan for, I guess.
Yeah. Respect. Yeah.
1634
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:07,319
No, this is good, man.
I'm glad we did this.
1635
01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:09,119
Is there anything else
do you want to bring up?
1636
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:12,520
Let's try to think.
I guess maybe to close off
1637
01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:15,359
episode 400.
You know, looking back,
1638
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,319
this there's evolutions
that the mere mortals has gone.
1639
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,439
Through, to be honest. You know,
we've talked about.
1640
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,479
One point, which is
probably, you know.
1641
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,680
Us not really caring about
it, which is doing it well.
1642
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,680
Yeah, that was just like
haphazard, just doing.
1643
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,520
Just doing it. That was doing it
for doing it. So yeah.
1644
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,359
And then it. Evolved.
Into let's Avatar. Not on Avatar,
1645
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,640
sorry, let's, let's track. This,
let's be more strategic.
1646
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,079
That was some some thoughts on
how we could make
1647
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,960
a better product.
Then it went to 3.9, which is
1648
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,479
much better product
visualisation, video
1649
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,079
videos, clips that I moved into
podcasting to play nice.
1650
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:44,880
I'd be like the full four point
over Ship Immortals,
1651
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,680
and I think this is probably
the starting to shift
1652
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,680
into the five point
Y because we're starting
1653
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,079
to set it up in a way that
we are realistically at the
1654
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:56,800
cusp of the podcast, starting.
To be self-sufficient. In itself,
1655
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:59,079
but it's now going.
To have to be established
1656
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,479
in a way that.
You can run in a more
1657
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:03,600
lean method,
a more efficient method,
1658
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,840
because the reality is
I've got less time, you're.
1659
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,319
Going to have less time
if you start travelling
1660
01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:08,800
and doing different things.
It's going to have to be.
1661
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,840
Set up in a way that it
can be run in a very lean.
1662
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,640
Way, in a very efficient
way, but still like
1663
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,880
a valuable way.
It will always be lean.
1664
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,880
We will now in the studio
it looks like some value.
1665
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,880
That is never going to happen,
hoping I ever want that
1666
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:23,319
unless I've just got the.
Fun to do it for. Fun.
1667
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:27,039
Yeah, maybe
Von gets so fucking rich
1668
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:28,920
that in his house he can.
He can do that. Exact
1669
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,479
camera. Just shut off.
So you keep talking, man.
1670
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,920
Keep talking. But you look well.
We'll leave it there.
1671
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,239
As our camera shuts down,
I will say
1672
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:35,840
thank you very much to me
and more lights for.
1673
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,560
Joining in for episode
four. Hundred. It has been
1674
01:18:37,399 --> 01:18:40,439
a bit of a long one,
but hopefully a
1675
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,640
and enlightening one. You know,
this is still something that.
1676
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,159
We discuss and talk through
and about openly here.
1677
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:46,239
So there'll be
other conversations
1678
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,920
that we have offline.
But the reality is that it.
1679
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,800
Is always an evolving
thing. And, you know.
1680
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,239
If you're out there.
Creating something,
1681
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:54,960
building something
business, an idea,
1682
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,359
whatever it may be,
be prepared to.
1683
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:57,640
Go through evolution,
through it. Right?
1684
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,239
Whatever you think
it's going to be like in Taiwan,
1685
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,640
it's going to change.
You know, when we began,
1686
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,720
we didn't have. Podcasting, too.
When I was,
1687
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,319
I think, gone around, it.
Wasn't a thing.
1688
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:07,319
It wasn't a thing.
But so, you know. At no point
1689
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,920
would we ever thought that
that's the possibility
1690
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:11,119
that we're going down,
which we are now.
1691
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,760
And so we also have to be.
You know, quite open and that it.
1692
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,359
Might shift the change
as well as we go on. But we now.
1693
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:17,319
Are just trying
to set new directions
1694
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:20,279
given where we are right now.
I think one of the biggest things
1695
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:22,720
is the actual open
openness and honesty.
1696
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,560
I'm glad we actually did
this on camera. I think this is
1697
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,640
really valuable.
And one of the there's
1698
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,840
this guy from the Bitcoin
made up. He is
1699
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,000
when I was presenting
this whole thing, he asked to
1700
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,640
I did a value for value
presentation and at the end
1701
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,319
he was like,
What do you think about
1702
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,199
audience capture?
And this is, I thought,
1703
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:41,000
a really great question.
So you're saying,
1704
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:44,239
you know, with this,
will you get more
1705
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:47,239
captured by your audience?
Because now there is no
1706
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,039
there's no barrier.
There used to be if you do it
1707
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:53,000
through advertising, there's
this kind of barrier between
1708
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,119
you and your audience
because you're not making
1709
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,520
your money from your
you're making your money
1710
01:19:55,119 --> 01:20:00,359
from your audience. But it's very
whereas if it's value for value
1711
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:06,840
and you've got Peter the Slav
sending in a million times
1712
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:12,079
and he's very,
you know, very pro Bitcoin
1713
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:15,079
anti nfts and look,
we talked about Nfts
1714
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:16,920
and I think that was,
from what I gather,
1715
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,439
one of the reasons stopped
tuning in for a while
1716
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,560
is that audience capture
a stronger thing.
1717
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,880
Is that something
you're thinking about?
1718
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,760
Do you have to worry about that?
And I thought that was
1719
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,199
a really good question.
I kind of answered
1720
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,039
it by being, you know, we try
and manage that ourselves.
1721
01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:32,800
You're going to have that
no matter what.
1722
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,800
If even if you're using
these other platforms and
1723
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:39,680
our third biggest contributor
is the nameless support.
1724
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,560
It is the people who have
just sent things in with.
1725
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,840
Streaming, anonymous.
Streaming Anonymous.
1726
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,439
And that that is kind of
a protective barrier as well.
1727
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:54,640
So yeah, just the honesty
and being open and and talking
1728
01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:57,800
about these things, you know,
it's not particularly fun
1729
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:00,720
to ask Lorne like,
Oh, can I have more splits
1730
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,119
or say like in the future
I might need more splits,
1731
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:05,039
but it's better
to bring it up now
1732
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:06,800
before there is an issue I'll.
Tell you I'll.
1733
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,319
Tell you this right now, because
I've just been going
1734
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:10,479
probably through it
in a few different areas
1735
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,399
and dealt with it
before in the. Past.
1736
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:16,880
This is still.
By far and large a very
1737
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:19,159
easy conversation and. Always.
The reality.
1738
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:21,760
I mean, if people in my
lifetime have run pop up.
1739
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,680
Businesses have done
anything like that, yeah,
1740
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,239
you can get more complex
and more hairy very quick.
1741
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:29,760
So the amount of I can remember
like five times
1742
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,119
have been pissed off
at each other.
1743
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,720
Probably one of them
was on the podcast. Remember Pete
1744
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,439
Peter, the Slav being like,
Man, that was a testy episode
1745
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,000
and we're just both
pissed off at each other
1746
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,520
for whatever reason on that day.
But the amount of like
1747
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,039
serious, uncomfortable
conversations we've had
1748
01:21:44,039 --> 01:21:46,239
has been limited,
probably three or four.
1749
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:50,359
And like, they weren't,
they. Went very well. Yeah,
1750
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,600
they weren't serious.
It was just me and my mind.
1751
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,520
Fuck man, he.
Doesn't fucking understand
1752
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:57,119
why me like? He's been anal
about this stupid thing about,
1753
01:21:57,119 --> 01:21:58,439
you know,
making sure that we don't
1754
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,960
have spelling mistakes or not.
So let's summarise it.
1755
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,119
So what we're saying here
in episode 400 is
1756
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:04,800
advertising starting
from tomorrow. Now
1757
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,920
injected, injected ads
every 30 seconds or none,
1758
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,199
you're going to have no ads apart
from anything that we are deeming
1759
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:16,399
as being more for you,
being more lights. You know.
1760
01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:17,920
So we have been talking
a lot. About podcasts.
1761
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,399
And keep an eye on Valley.
Valley, What that means,
1762
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,720
again, if you're not.
Aware of it, is that we're not
1763
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,520
we're going to continue
to engage. Will you. At home
1764
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:29,680
to support us. By way of sending.
A, B, scram or SATOSHIS
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through streaming in the.
Podcast and.
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To plan our platforms
out there. Now.
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Whether you use them a lot
or whether
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01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:36,720
you don't like, for me,
I use them sometimes
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01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,159
I use them all the time.
And that's because.
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I just the way that I.
Interact with podcasting,
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01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,680
this is different.
But if it is valuable
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through those channels
and you want. Supporters,
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that's the main way.
We ask Santa through. Somebody.
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01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,079
Seagrams It's the best way
for us to interact with you.
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01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:52,199
We read the comments out.
We're actually caring
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01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,239
to talk it very directly.
It answered very directly.
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If you're asking a question,
you can still send through
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comments and messages
through other platforms.
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01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:58,720
So that's going
to. Be the best way.
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01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,880
But are you going to.
I got. On Senior. You can go
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on our website now. It'll be
I don't know if this time
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01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,560
this comes out
that'll be enabled.
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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,800
But the ability for you to pay
through PayPal supporters,
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through PayPal and.
That's done it a fix up that.
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That'll take a while.
So but that's going
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to become available to you
the way that. It'll get.
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Out here in Brazil. Right.
We have about I don't know
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01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:19,920
we've had about. Ten people
scan the A-frame, they'll.
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01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,199
Go to our website. But then again
that's missing
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01:23:22,199 --> 01:23:24,039
opportunities for people
to support us in that way.
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01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:25,800
I don't know if.
Our random is going to do
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that on the.
First go, but they could,
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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,079
you know,
it might just be something
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01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,000
simple. I remember going to.
Some pages that say,
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you know, buy me a coffee
or something like that.
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01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,159
And some people said through $3.
50 in that regard,
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01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:39,119
obviously coffee's now.
At $6, but here $0.09.
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In any case, me more or
less, I'll be enjoy
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this much more transparent
conversation. Yeah.
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01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,399
One thing I did want to
mention was if you are
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going to send an amount,
it is fun.
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01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:50,279
If you send in something
that special to you, I mean, one
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01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:52,920
that is an easy, obvious
one for today is the 400,
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01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:54,239
you know,
celebrating 400 episodes.
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01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:56,159
We didn't really celebrate
that much, but like.
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01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:58,319
Yeah, I figured why.
Not some That's
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01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:02,560
a massive achievement on that
on both of our parts and the Yep.
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01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:08,159
So send in like 400
400,000 accounts at 400 bitcoin.
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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,520
Whatever, whatever's going on.
I was going to take 400 bitcoin.
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01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,159
Yeah. Feel free to do it on the.
PayPal link
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01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:16,680
that's in the show notes,
you know, 40 bucks, 400
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01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:18,840
bucks, whatever you want.
Just, you know, that's
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the value for value.
How much value
1814
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,560
you got from this podcast
we just offset.
1815
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,159
You said back to us and please
like with the message
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01:24:23,239 --> 01:24:27,720
that's we're saying
the money aspect is important.
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01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,640
But, but if we can make it
boring, that's, that's cool.
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01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,319
And it's the it's
what you got from it.
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01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:40,159
The, the feedback which is is
is way more valuable
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01:24:37,279 --> 01:24:40,840
in our eyes. Absolutely.
Well memorial is.
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Going to be there.
Thank you very much.
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01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,520
This might be the.
Biggest episode ever. I think so
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01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:46,760
Down to one camera.
We'll leave it there
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folks. Juan out, Kyrin out.
400 bitch!
