14 August 2023
MIKAEL KRISTIANSEN | Circus Performing, Injury Management & One Arm Handstand Training
Mikael Kristiansen is a handbalancing circus artist and a handstand coach with the Handstand Factory.
In Conversation #93, Mikael and I discuss: the highs/lows of performing at a high level, why he is basically a robot in pain, the type of mindset needed to achieve the one arm handstand (OAHS), some anthropological observations from the circus and what he plans to do as he gradually transitions to another phase of his life.
As always, I hope you enjoy. Kyrin out!
Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro to Mikael
(0:51) - Breakdown of Mikael's circus career
(6:26) - Venue layouts
(12:33) - The performative art of handbalancing
(19:10) - Normal jobs (for shady companies)
(23:44) - Behind the scenes of circus life
(31:06) - Performance anxiety & pressure
(38:05) - Getting outside of your comfort zone
(44:30) - Why do people retire from circus?
(54:50) - General injury prevention
(59:09) - Overtraining is subjective
(1:06:11) - Is wrist pain inevitable from one arm training?
(1:11:25) - Determination & obsession for the OAHS
(1:13:36) - Drilling vs playing
(1:20:11) - Teaching the opposite of natural tendencies
(1:25:23) - Burning out
(1:30:51) - You can't contain obsessive passion
(1:35:02) - Psychology during training/performing
(1:41:03) - Were people in the past stronger?
(1:45:06) - Circus families & crazy Chinese shit
(1:51:14) - Recent rabbitholes: Micro Mouse & Colours
(1:56:22) - Origami
(2:00:11) - My handstand origin story
(2:02:38) - Connect with Mikael
Mikael's Links:
Website: https://www.mikaelbalancing.com/
Handbalancing Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikaelbalancing/
Origami Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/soulsfolder/
Handstand Factory: https://handstandfactory.com/
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Kyri: Welcome Mere Mortalites to
another round
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of the conversations. Recently
I had a chat with Mikael
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Kristiansen who is a
professional level hand balancer
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working in the circus,
as well as the other
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half of the handstand
factory, a company brand service
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designed to help you
learn handstands. As we found in
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Conversation number
82 with Emmett Louis,
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if you want more of the teaching
side of things
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in this conversation, we focus on
a couple of aspects
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this being performance,
what it is like to be
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a circus artist, the pressure,
the obsession, all of the things
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that go on behind the scenes.
We also talked about training,
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what it is like to learn
the one arm handstand, specific
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injury management,
and even I guess
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the psychological aspects
of what it takes
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to get to a really,
really high level
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before ending up
with a couple of funny
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little rabbit holes
that we like to go down,
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talk about origami
and things like that.
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So I really do hope you enjoy
this conversation.
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And here it is. Mikael. Dude,
I wanted to start off
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with maybe around
performances, so
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would you be able to give
a quick breakdown of
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just like what you've done
over the years,
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the kind of types of
performative work you've done?
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Companies even like the sizes
of crowds and things you've
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you've kind of performed
in front of? Yeah, sure. Yes.
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I assume you mean like
stage work, like. Yeah, yeah,
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like the second circus or I guess
you know, even what you're doing
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with followed.
I don't know if that's
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considered circus.
Yeah, definitely. So let's see,
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I was doing something
like a little bit
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of a smaller performances
with my friends when I was doing
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breakdancing on the back
a million years ago.
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But that was never, never like
kind of a big deal.
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So when I got into Circus
like, and especially after
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I finished Circus school in 2012,
I went straight on to perform
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with Seven Fingers.
If you heard them, I Canadian
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Circus Company, one of the
I guess more prominent ones
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within contemporary
circus was really lucky
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got out of school and Mike
there was a guy who I knew
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who was basically contacted
by them to be to be in
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one of their shows.
He couldn't do it.
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So and then he had seen
my kind of final performance
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for the school
and he's like, Yeah,
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he's pretty good. So he sent them
eye contact and
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I went performing with them.
And then after that I,
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I went basically came home
from the tour with them and
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there was a show here in Sweden
by a company called
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Circus Theatre, which is a
I guess, Scandinavia's
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largest circus company.
And they needed
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a replacement for a guy
who was basically
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quitting circus. And they got in
touch with me and I
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started performing that.
That was like 2013.
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That is like a pretty
also kind of a pretty
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or both of those shows
with seven fingers,
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two shows called See,
and this other one was called
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it's called Knitting Peace.
And both of them are kind of
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like pretty large sized
shows that play in in
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in theatre venues
for the most part.
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And how many type of
how many people would work
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on a show like that. And so
you'd have all the performers
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and then there'd be
all that kind of
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background stuff, right? Yeah.
So with CBC had a
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really big set up and a lot of
people on stage
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think we were 11 on stage
and then you had light
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and sound effects.
You had some like, like you
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had a stage technician,
maybe you were like
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15 people on tour with not one
and one had a two day setup
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and for the most part
in theatres, while the other one
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knitting piece that has
had 11 people on tour for them
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for the majority
of the time and and
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yeah, that one I play ended up
playing for many years.
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I played that one
between 2013 and 2016
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and I played it
like almost 300 times
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during that period.
So all over Europe,
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South America,
we were in the U.S.
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a couple of times,
just very short runs there.
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But no, not one time.
And that one I played like a lot.
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Then that show was
actually resurrected like one
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and a half years ago.
So I've been playing that one
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this year as well and it's been
a little bit of a weird blast
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from the past playing a show
from like ten years ago
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and doing the same things
as I did ten years ago. So than
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that is on a lot of like smaller
deeds, of course, like just
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one off performances or
like being part of
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like more smaller,
like artistic projects where
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I'm like one thing that's quite
nice in Scandinavia is that
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there is like pretty decent
funding for smaller
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stage art projects. So like
if you have the project
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or like that, the shows that
I just talked about, our
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like large corporations,
like it costs a lot to create
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one of those shows. And like,
I mean it's, it's,
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you need like a big began
to be cast and you need
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a lot of the people
selling it and whatever
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while these smaller projects
are more sort of
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individual artists or smaller
groups can make if you have
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a good project and you knew how
to write applications,
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you can get kind of
the funding for
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doing your own projects,
which is really cool. And as
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I've done a bunch of
those kind of things
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with friends and stuff,
there is this one
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show for children that I made
that we made or sells me
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in to friends in Norway
and we made that one
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with the specific goal
of touring in schools.
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So I played that one
also like a couple
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of hundred times. And it's
kind of a cute, short,
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quite interesting show
actually for four kids.
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Then I created the show Valve,
which is it's the valve
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means for us in German.
And with basically that
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I applied, I applied
for money in Sweden
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to create the show with basically
only have our only hand balancers
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with kind of the premise of
of trying to push the art form
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in a direction it hasn't really
gone before. And that's together
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with five friends of mine
who are all professional high
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balancers and really
interesting people. And that one
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we played a couple of times
some years ago with that one
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had like a rough time with COVID
to be premiered. Yes. Yes.
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That was going. Yes,
but yeah, done a lot of different
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stuff. I mean, crowd size,
I don't know, like, I guess
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it's rare that theatres
have a capacity of over
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a thousand people. I think
when I played in Uruguay
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and they had that kind of like
they were overwhelmed with,
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with knitting beats,
but I'm not sure, like what's
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the biggest crowd?
But I sent several
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hundreds of these.
I put 100 people.
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Yeah, it's quite common.
Yeah, I was, I was just trying
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to imagine. So I went to Cirque
du Soleil just many a year.
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I got here in Australia,
in Brisbane and yeah, I think
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it would have been, Yeah.
In the hundreds.
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I guess you just wouldn't
be able to have real circus acts
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which are, are there any
which are done in a kind of
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a circular stage so that you can
kind of fit people
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in or in and all around
sort of like a
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in the middle of a sports
venue or. Something
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and they're used
I mean that was the,
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the original circus
was like that. Like, yeah, right.
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There's a little
bit of debate where that,
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where that where the word comes
from. But like, I think
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some people relate
to the word circle and like the,
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the old Roman theatres
being like circles
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or semi circles and so, and like,
I mean a lot of the
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traditional circus,
even even now, they still use
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like circular tents
because you can see
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a lot more people and the entire
kind of style of that type
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of circus fits very well
for a secular audience
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and then you have some venues
that are semi-circular, and
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that's also usually tent spaces.
But for the most part,
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most of the sort of
newer, like you call it,
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contemporary circus uses
more like stage venues
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because of the like being able
to tour in, in,
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in regular theatres.
So for example, with,
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with both of these two
bigger shows I worked in
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for years, it's it's basically
in the same venues
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where you'd have
the theatre plays music
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like concerts
and dance performances, etc.,
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so that like you basically have
like a frontal stage
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and that also is like
touring in venues
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like that is practical
because you only need to bring
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a certain amount of gear
because the theatre has like
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there is a P.A.
system, there is this, there is a
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that there is rigging points.
They have like
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the infrastructure,
too easy to easily enough
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set up these shows
and then setting them up is often
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complicated enough that this.
Yeah, it's it's always funny
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like looking
at those things because. It.
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When you think of theatre and art
and the circus,
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I kind of think of unbranded
unbounded creativity.
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You can kind of do
whatever you want, but it's
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got to be entertaining obviously.
But then there is
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just so many technical
constraints in terms of the stage
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size and the, you know what,
what will look good in
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front of an audience as well.
You've talked about that
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many a time with them, with Emma
on the handstand cost.
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And so it is is funny
kind of seeing those things
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and just
trying to see like what's
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behind the scenes of that goes
into a lot of the stuff. Yeah.
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Yeah it's, it's very it's
very, it's very the kind
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of particular in the
way that you need to,
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especially when creating stuff
like when we made available
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for example, which we
basically made ourselves
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and instead of having a director
we recreated
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the material ourselves
and then we had
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basically what you, what we often
call an outside I as basically
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someone who comes in and looks
at what you do too, just so that
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you can get an idea of like,
are we capable
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or are we able to show
what we want in the scene
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or with the ID or how this flow
and so on. So
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but every time you work
with someone like
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because you work yourself
kind of into a bubble
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and you really think, okay, now
we're doing this, and here
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we're showing that
and then someone comes looks
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and they're like,
Oh, you know, I can't
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see what's going on here. Or for
example, with that show,
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we really notice that like
a two constraints, that
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that value really is like,
first of all, it's
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not a show that suits
any other type of stage.
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Then frontal Semi-Circle
really loses out on a lot of
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a lot of the images
are not strong from the
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from the side and the diagonal,
but they're strong
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from the front.
And we notice that
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if we can't play it
in a black box theatre, i.e.
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a room where you can turn off
all lights, it also loses
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out of a lot of
its kind of power. So we decided
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to not play the outside
and we have a lot of
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lot of requests
for outside shows, but it just
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it doesn't
doesn't convey the same
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because there is loads of
like we use loads of smoke
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and there's loads of these like
rather particular light settings
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that make a very great effect.
If you have, if the angle you
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see it from is correct
and you have you have the ability
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to light what you want
and nothing else.
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But yeah, so it's, it's really
these kind of things
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that you learn as you go along.
You kind of you,
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you understand that. Oh well I
probably won't really know how
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this is going to look or express
or be until you get someone
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to look at it. Basically.
Yeah, for sure.
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I've I've deluded myself
into thinking I was doing
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certain things in a handstand
in a position and, and it's like
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it feels like it's doing this,
but then you get out the
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the trustee camera and. You.
Get a dose of reality. Yeah.
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Um, I'm. Curious as to. The.
I suppose your originations
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in this kind of performance field
because for those who don't know,
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you had a background
in breakdancing and karate
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before you really started
getting into
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the professional hand
balancing and. I'm wondering like
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breakdancing. And karate, don't
strike me as particularly
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performative type
type of exercise, I guess
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breakdancing kind of. But
from what I remember, you weren't
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actually going to the
break battles. You were
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you were more in the the training
sort of scene. And so I'm
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just wondering, like, is hand
balancing is is is joining
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a circus kind of a
a side effect of you
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just really enjoying
and balancing. And so that's kind
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of where I draw draw you to
or there is actually a
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like a deep need in you to do
the kind of performance aspect.
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I mean, karate doesn't
really have the,
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like the depth of it. I think
I think what it does have
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I mean, you do kind of percent
your forms and stuff
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in front of the teacher,
in front of their,
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the other students and stuff,
which is I guess a little bit of
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sort of a performer
has a performative thing
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to it, but it's not that deep
breaking does have I mean,
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with the wind bottling
and all that like it has
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it definitely has that dimension.
I never like got that.
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Like I was never and I'll say
I never really
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went for that part.
On breaking so much. I wanted to
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I mean, I was like
12, was like 20,
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but I like it was just,
I don't know, like the character
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of breaking off
kind of like the battles
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and stuff. It's pretty,
it's pretty aggressive.
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It's pretty kind of a contest and
which I think is great.
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I can I can I can really enjoy
watching it,
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but it may be just wasn't
completely for me like that,
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that style or that
way of being when
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like in that kind of character,
you basically a persona.
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You take on. But
yeah, I think I wanted
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to perform. I think it was like a
little bit of that. I mean,
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I was pretty insecure as a kid
and I didn't like
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I was quite like I was very
non-physical, was very much
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I was like the kid in class
that didn't play football,
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sort of situation.
So I think I had like
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this kind of deep desire
to be a bit like, you know,
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fuck you guys and also
going to do something definitely.
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So it became kind of,
I don't know, I think it was a
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the definitely
some sort of way of like
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proving yourself
for that kind of thing
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that drove me
towards that direction
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And because, yeah,
I wanted to do the
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breaking thing too. But it's, it
kind of didn't really, didn't
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really stick there for me.
And then I, I was really good
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in my hands through breaking
and doing like a lot of the moves
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that I was learning there.
And then I ran into this hand
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monitoring guy from the States
and he taught me a bunch
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and I learned really fast
and I just thought, Hey,
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okay, I'm I'm pretty good
at this, right? This just works.
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And I loved doing it.
I was like always
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doing non-standard house
related stuff anyway.
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And then suddenly I had a purpose
for or like a further purpose
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for keeping doing is like, Hey,
I can make this into a living
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or I think
I can become structures.
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Whoa, this is so cool.
You know, like,
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it's really there. And I
applied to circus school
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because I,
like, I could basically
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have stayed in Norway and like,
been like kind of a big fish
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in a small aquarium
in the sense of like,
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I would probably be
the best on my hands
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in the country
at the time easily, and try
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to do some performances
and stuff. But I felt like
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I really wanted to not
be very like art, see how far
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I could push it.
So once I started school and then
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yeah, I saw quickly there too,
because the entire then a class
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I had very creative,
very experienced people who were
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like kind of the, the atmosphere
and kind of the in
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the class of mind
was very much about
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how can we create like our own
art with this? And everyone
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was pretty anarchist in the sense
that the guy, Yeah, yeah,
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we don't want to do it like this.
We want to do it our way.
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So it was very kind of
that became the culture in the,
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in, in the class, which I thought
was really cool
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and had to kind of
find my way of,
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of figuring this out.
I had no stage experience
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and so on. But yeah,
then it became really interesting
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and really fun and
very challenging, which, which
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I always appreciate it.
Yeah, sure. So it's intriguing.
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Like one of the best things
about getting older
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is actually being able
to look at your past self
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and kind of analyse
what was going on with them.
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So, so my background was I,
I was really interested
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in breakdancing as a kid,
but I never particularly
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did it that much, much like you.
I've, I was I did play sport.
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I played a lot of
soccer here in Australia,
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but I was always super insecure
because I was just the skinniest,
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skinniest, skinniest guy.
And I'm still pretty
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skinny nowadays, to be honest.
And it was funny
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looking back at like what drew me
into breakdancing wasn't the
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the kind of like flowing moves
or anything like that.
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I was obsessed with the phrases
how they do these just. Like.
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Crazy kamikaze phrases and,
and just stop in mid-air or stop
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in this crazy position. And same
with callisthenics.
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I used to look at.
It would be the
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human flag or something,
and that would just
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stand out to me as the most
craziest thing
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or plunge for a guys
just levitating
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off the ground. Even the.
Muscle. Ups are cool.
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But you know what's cool
in a muscle up, a slower muscle
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one where they're just
grinding this slow, slow thing.
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And so it was funny.
Yeah, yeah. Anti-gravity.
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And that's always kind of
what's drawn me in that
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just this isometric.
You just hold
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something so still or so. Yeah.
It's like you've
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conquered gravity
and it's, and it's had had like
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I guess when I look
at some of the things that I did
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that, you know, breakdancing
wouldn't have been for me either
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because I definitely don't have
that kind of
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confrontational persona.
But there was elements within it
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that I really like.
So, yeah, it's it's kind of cool
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seeing your evolution of,
you know, karate breakdancing.
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And I know you still do
elements of breakdancing
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now as well, but leading up
to kind of the thing that you
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you're really wanted to do
or I guess like it
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was the natural fit. Yeah yeah.
I mean I it,
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it wasn't a natural fit
I think in many ways. And I think
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that's also why I decide or like
not to say I just, I like it.
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Well, looking back at it,
it's like it's,
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it feels more like
I didn't have a choice.
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I have another choice.
And in one way, am like.
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Than this. So yeah.
Did you ever have
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any experiences of, you know, the
9 to 5 office life of you
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get a taste of that
and it's just. Like, no,
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I mean, I was like,
I started in uni before,
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before like going, going
circus school and stuff. So like,
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I guess I was sort of heading in
that direction,
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but I, it was like
my studying was a bit like it
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was more like dabbling
in something just, just to have
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something to do. So I was
studying anthropology
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and I thought that was
really interesting.
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But at the same time
I knew that I, I probably just
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wouldn't become an anthropology
artist at that time.
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And also just going to the
anthropology office
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and just seeing like a massive,
massive boxes of papers.
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And I was like,
This is what they do
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most, most of the time.
So enough to scare you off? Yeah.
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Yeah. And I mean,
I really enjoyed
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a lot of what that was
and what I was learning
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and stuff, but it maybe wasn't
like what I could see myself do
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kind of as a job. So
I mean, because I didn't,
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I didn't really
have many, like, long,
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I mean, when I was in uni
as well, just worked
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as kind of like,
what's it called?
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And I will say this
like a after school thing
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for children where like basically
they're there and. Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
I worked at one of those
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for like some months
and just to earn
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a little bit of money
when I was in school of teaching
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breakdancing to kids for like
that was like maybe the longest
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while during,
during my years in Oslo
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and when I was in circus
school in summers
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just to earn some money,
I was working as a like,
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furniture mover, just like
carrying shit up and down stairs.
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And for a really shady company,
I guess. But. But yeah. Well,
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what were you carrying? Like.
Violins full of. No, no,
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it was basically just like
the company was basically
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like the guy who I look,
one of my colleagues,
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he was just like working there
part time at the time, just like
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coming in
sometimes to to help out.
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He used to be the owner
of the company, and he had sold
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himself out because he said like
like basically everyone worked.
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How was it at I think
the company only or basically
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there was twice as much money
running through the company
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as they said to the authorities.
So every person
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work 50% off the right
off the books.
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So everyone got like
half their salary,
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like taxed money
through the state
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and half in cash. And so
he basically told them was,
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yeah, you know, if,
if the tax authorities come, it's
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just to burn down
the entire place and
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flee the country that
I understand why you kind of
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just pieced out from this thing.
It was pretty shady. I like
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I felt like I was in detail one
one time, like I came to pick up
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my salary from this. Like,
the boss was also like,
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a nice guy, but he seemed shady.
Seemed like the kind of guy
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that, like,
had sneaky ways around
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things like, come to this.
Like, I go,
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I take the tram to this
one stop in Oslo, and I get off
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and I walk over there.
This is like a
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playground for kids.
And it is really
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this kind of seeing
like these kids on the swing.
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And he's just standing
with his arms crossed, just
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chilling out, waiting.
And I come over
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and there's only him
and the child there
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and it's like,
Yeah, I was going to find it.
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Yeah. So here's your salary
and you picks up like a
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like a rolled up sack of money
that had like a
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rebounder around it
and gave it to me. I mean it
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wasn't like that
enormous amount of money
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and it was just like I worked
for like two months,
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I think during a summer.
But you really have to like.
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Get in. That gives like
a rolled up stack to the kid
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and it's like you go home
to your parents now, like, Yeah,
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you've done your acting.
It was hilarious. Yeah.
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No, no, I will. I would say
very little that like, yeah.
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Or when people ask me like,
what's the best and the worst?
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Like, what's the best?
And the worst part about reading
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is our stories. I very often say
the best part
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is not having a real job
and the worst part
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is not having a real job.
So. You know, I was
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I was going to actually ask you
about some of the behind
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the scenes of, you know, what are
what are the things
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that people don't
see or don't talk about
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when it comes to
circus performance.
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And it could be in a positive
or in a negative sense, I guess.
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But is there anything that
is kind of it's just hidden
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or it's so mundane
that it just doesn't get
435
00:24:03,607 --> 00:24:09,321
talked about? MM. I think on the
positive side, I think that like
436
00:24:09,321 --> 00:24:11,199
I mean it says itself
if you think about it,
437
00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:12,741
but it may be not the first thing
you're thinking
438
00:24:12,741 --> 00:24:14,827
that is that, that there is like
there's, it's
439
00:24:14,827 --> 00:24:16,746
a really interesting
community of people.
440
00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,585
I think that's maybe like
one of the things that gives
441
00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:24,962
the most amount of energy,
I'd say, of being part of it
442
00:24:24,962 --> 00:24:31,510
is that like, I think if you
if you want to do this
443
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:34,096
as your job, you need
you need to be rather
444
00:24:34,096 --> 00:24:39,185
like you need to be a kind of an
extreme person in many ways,
445
00:24:39,185 --> 00:24:43,272
like you need to have
like I said, you need to have
446
00:24:43,272 --> 00:24:49,028
a pretty deep desire to do this
in one way or other. And I think
447
00:24:49,028 --> 00:24:52,574
because of that, like
there's a lot of crazy
448
00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:56,869
and very interesting individuals.
You run across everyone half like
449
00:24:56,869 --> 00:25:00,248
some fucking quirky hobby
of some sort that you
450
00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:02,834
that isn't even there
circus stuff
451
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:05,377
and you get to know them as like,
oh yeah, like everyone is like
452
00:25:05,377 --> 00:25:09,007
into like you're just very
creative and like, I think
453
00:25:10,049 --> 00:25:13,929
I would say the personality types
that choose circus
454
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:20,684
have a lot of like asthma and
yeah, just interesting
455
00:25:20,684 --> 00:25:24,689
habits, interesting
lives, interesting and
456
00:25:25,147 --> 00:25:27,275
ways of doing things.
So you run across
457
00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:31,695
a lot of just cool, cool people.
And I think that is, that is
458
00:25:31,695 --> 00:25:36,242
maybe like one of the maybe
the best thing of all like
459
00:25:36,242 --> 00:25:39,703
just feel like I, I mean,
I feel I know so many people
460
00:25:39,703 --> 00:25:43,415
that are like, so particular,
so like, specific
461
00:25:43,415 --> 00:25:46,752
in their ways of being.
And I really love that.
462
00:25:46,752 --> 00:25:49,923
And I think that's also something
that like if you're not really
463
00:25:49,923 --> 00:25:52,592
like that from the start,
like in me, you develop
464
00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:54,385
that through being
in this community
465
00:25:54,385 --> 00:25:58,722
because it's like it's so normal
that everyone plays an instrument
466
00:25:58,722 --> 00:26:02,894
or is into dance or is like,
that's some weird shit
467
00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:05,438
you've never heard of like the
on the front of there and
468
00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:09,608
the side of the circus.
Yeah, I was going to actually
469
00:26:09,608 --> 00:26:11,903
wonder, is there any people
you would describe
470
00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:16,575
as not creative or it's
almost like you get moulded into,
471
00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:21,121
into that, you know, is there,
is there someone who you like?
472
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:23,707
You should be an engineer,
but you're a you're in actually
473
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:27,042
a circus also.
I mean, there's so many and like
474
00:26:27,042 --> 00:26:30,547
what's sort of funny is in many,
many of the ones that I know
475
00:26:30,547 --> 00:26:32,048
that kind of
got a bit older there,
476
00:26:32,048 --> 00:26:35,384
they've been like doing this
and performing and travelling
477
00:26:35,384 --> 00:26:39,096
all over the place kind of thing
for a decade and they kind of
478
00:26:39,096 --> 00:26:42,349
need to do something else.
I needed like two or three guys
479
00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:49,356
that became fireman after.
Yeah, okay. Yeah. But am
480
00:26:49,356 --> 00:26:53,944
like, I do think. I remember
there was a soccer player
481
00:26:53,944 --> 00:26:56,114
who used to play
for Tottenham Hotspur
482
00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,532
and this was when I played
soccer as a kid and I was just,
483
00:26:58,532 --> 00:27:01,452
you know, in love
with that sport. I would do it
484
00:27:01,452 --> 00:27:04,413
all the time. It was,
you know, my pride, my joy.
485
00:27:04,413 --> 00:27:08,292
I was kind of the soccer player.
And I remember
486
00:27:08,292 --> 00:27:12,130
reading an interview that he had
and he was saying, you know,
487
00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:16,259
I actually don't like the sport.
I don't know, I don't love it.
488
00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:18,094
I don't even like it.
It's a job for me.
489
00:27:18,094 --> 00:27:22,307
It is purely I play this.
I'm good at it. You know, it
490
00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:27,103
it allowed me to
reach a level of wealth.
491
00:27:27,311 --> 00:27:29,355
Maybe he was searching for
fame as well. I'm not I'm not
492
00:27:29,355 --> 00:27:34,653
particularly sure. But he.
He wasn't in love with the game.
493
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:38,615
Which is what? As a kid, you like
shock and horror. Oh, my God.
494
00:27:38,615 --> 00:27:40,325
How could you
how could you say that
495
00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:43,369
sort of deal? And. Yeah,
I yeah, I'm
496
00:27:43,369 --> 00:27:46,413
just wondering if there's
people who you would say
497
00:27:46,413 --> 00:27:49,541
are technicians.
They are absolutely spot on
498
00:27:49,541 --> 00:27:51,795
with what they're doing
in the in the circus,
499
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:54,631
but they don't
have a love for it. It's kind of
500
00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:58,175
it is just a job for them.
I think. So I think I don't think
501
00:27:58,175 --> 00:28:01,512
I know that many.
I do think that like
502
00:28:01,512 --> 00:28:06,183
in a lot of like
bigger shows such as
503
00:28:06,934 --> 00:28:10,480
I think like perhaps
I'm generalising too, but like
504
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,315
for some people it's
people like doing
505
00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:15,109
like Soleil stuff
where like they do take
506
00:28:15,109 --> 00:28:17,444
a lot of people
just from exports,
507
00:28:17,444 --> 00:28:21,240
sport, acrobatics, for example.
Larry Like basically the hand
508
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,119
balancers instructors Leyland off
circus artists educated at like
509
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,954
circus schools
usually they're either
510
00:28:26,954 --> 00:28:30,500
either they're from
the Chinese people who are
511
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,252
educators or schools or
basically export
512
00:28:33,252 --> 00:28:36,131
acrobatics flyers because they're
better than all of us,
513
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:40,134
and there's nothing we can ever.
Yeah, for the most part.
514
00:28:40,134 --> 00:28:43,887
And so maybe, maybe to
some some of those it's
515
00:28:43,887 --> 00:28:46,682
more like of, of a job
like are like if I'm thinking
516
00:28:46,682 --> 00:28:49,144
of the way that's like
let's say you've done,
517
00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:52,230
you've done sport across
since you were a child and you're
518
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:53,940
extremely good,
you're extremely good
519
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:56,401
at what you do. But like it's,
you've just
520
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,862
done that for 20 years.
It's always been in your life
521
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:02,240
and then you perform with it
and you do it like that.
522
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,200
But it might it's might not be
that kind of thing
523
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,994
where like you go home for
the occasion and you're like,
524
00:29:06,994 --> 00:29:10,749
Whoa, I'm going to like create
a new show or like, explore it in
525
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:14,294
different ways. Like maybe,
maybe there are some just like,
526
00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:16,628
kind of thinking
out loud in that sense. But
527
00:29:18,673 --> 00:29:20,383
then then you, of
course, have some people
528
00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:23,260
who are just like more just very
technically focussed.
529
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:25,637
They're only interested in
just being good
530
00:29:25,637 --> 00:29:29,017
athletes in in the way, unlike
they have one act
531
00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:31,853
that they perform
and basically that's it.
532
00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:35,856
And, and then you have,
I think, like more in the scene
533
00:29:35,856 --> 00:29:38,233
that I've been involved
in, it's more in the sense
534
00:29:38,233 --> 00:29:43,490
that I feel that like
almost everyone has like they,
535
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:46,742
they start drifting away
from doing kind of their
536
00:29:46,742 --> 00:29:50,954
technical difficult circus stuff
to just being like
537
00:29:50,954 --> 00:29:55,125
making very creative, strange,
interesting things that they
538
00:29:55,125 --> 00:29:59,547
that they find very fascinating
themselves, such as like
539
00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:02,342
one one song or like example.
I just thought of now
540
00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:04,719
as a friend of mine
named Mike PESCA to
541
00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:06,762
and I mean, he's
still a really good hand dancer,
542
00:30:06,762 --> 00:30:09,641
but the last kind of
artistic project he did,
543
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,059
he was chosen for like
he was working with the
544
00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:14,604
director, basically.
But they were creating a show
545
00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:17,856
where, like the
the stage is a one
546
00:30:17,856 --> 00:30:21,903
time, one square
of light from above. So there was
547
00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:24,655
like a one time one metre square
and he has the entire performance
548
00:30:24,655 --> 00:30:27,700
inside of that square
and he has like,
549
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,036
yes, he has kind of like
he has a lot of different things
550
00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:34,540
to play with. He's something,
he's a bouncer, he does kung
551
00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:40,003
fu, he's do breaking,
he's quite theatrical. So Mike
552
00:30:40,003 --> 00:30:42,173
then is basically like,
Oh, I think
553
00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:45,093
sometimes you can create
better art by setting limitations
554
00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:48,846
because like you, that forces
you out of your
555
00:30:48,846 --> 00:30:55,269
kind of habits in a way.
And habits and art does tend to
556
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:57,980
create problems for each other.
So it can be interesting
557
00:30:57,980 --> 00:31:03,694
to find out. It's like split up
in a way and yeah.
558
00:31:03,694 --> 00:31:07,740
Yeah, definitely. Um.
I was having this discussion
559
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:10,242
the other day
with, with my friend Juan and the
560
00:31:10,242 --> 00:31:12,828
was the episode that came out
before this, and it was related
561
00:31:12,828 --> 00:31:16,039
to pressure
and I've always sucked if you,
562
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,001
if you put me under pressure,
like if I'm out with my friends
563
00:31:19,001 --> 00:31:20,711
hand standing
or something and we're,
564
00:31:20,711 --> 00:31:24,423
we decided to take a group photo
or video my, my handstands
565
00:31:24,423 --> 00:31:28,553
get worse from that. I was.
Wondering, do you have
566
00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,512
any of that yourself
or do you kind of thrive
567
00:31:30,512 --> 00:31:33,682
under the pressure? And if so, is
that something that other people
568
00:31:33,682 --> 00:31:36,310
or is it something
you can get over? If that's just
569
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:39,564
a natural inclination for you,
You don't thrive under pressure.
570
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,773
Is that something
that you can conquer
571
00:31:41,773 --> 00:31:43,692
or do you kind of
have to have that
572
00:31:43,692 --> 00:31:45,528
when you're especially
doing like performance?
573
00:31:45,528 --> 00:31:48,196
You mean like kind of like
kind of performance
574
00:31:48,196 --> 00:31:52,951
anxiety, sort of,
I guess. So, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
575
00:31:52,951 --> 00:31:56,705
You step up to the plate and it's
and you don't the energy
576
00:31:56,705 --> 00:31:59,666
that you get from
that is a addition. It's a,
577
00:31:59,666 --> 00:32:03,128
it's a subtraction from whatever
you're trying to do. It's,
578
00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:07,133
I think it's a lot, a
lot like that for, especially in
579
00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:10,010
the beginning,
I think it's basically
580
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:14,723
like anything it's kind of like
it's stress, like you're,
581
00:32:14,723 --> 00:32:16,808
you're in a situation,
you're, you're,
582
00:32:16,808 --> 00:32:21,855
you're not sure of
you're not used to. And then
583
00:32:21,855 --> 00:32:24,317
that that can get to you
in the way that like you
584
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:25,734
basically become
very self-conscious
585
00:32:25,734 --> 00:32:28,613
and you're like, you can't
really focus on your task
586
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:33,159
like and with handstands
or with like physical stuff,
587
00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:34,952
it can also be like,
I think with handstands
588
00:32:34,952 --> 00:32:39,374
especially or like balance
related things, and you can
589
00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,834
have this feeling that you
can't feel your hand
590
00:32:41,834 --> 00:32:44,586
and you're just like,
there's your entire body is
591
00:32:44,586 --> 00:32:48,883
and just to such
a state of stress that you're
592
00:32:48,883 --> 00:32:53,179
not really able of
able to kind of relax at all.
593
00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:57,892
And I think basically that's
just how it is in the start.
594
00:32:57,892 --> 00:33:01,395
And I think that's how it is
with most things,
595
00:33:01,395 --> 00:33:04,481
even even just like daily
life shit, that I look upon it
596
00:33:04,481 --> 00:33:07,527
in the same way as like
basically you have a and
597
00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:10,696
like if you just look at
like stimulus, that's kind
598
00:33:10,696 --> 00:33:14,116
of a stressor.
And if your tolerance
599
00:33:14,116 --> 00:33:17,244
to that particular
stressor is low, it is going to
600
00:33:17,244 --> 00:33:19,329
impact you a lot.
But if your tolerance
601
00:33:19,329 --> 00:33:23,209
to the stressor is high
just through, just to have it
602
00:33:23,209 --> 00:33:27,255
through to gradual exposure,
then then it's
603
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:29,382
not going to stress you as much.
And I think that is that's
604
00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:34,595
kind of as relevant for many.
If you look at people who do
605
00:33:34,595 --> 00:33:40,183
what what is called AM,
what's the name of a
606
00:33:40,183 --> 00:33:41,769
like basically people
who do therapy
607
00:33:41,769 --> 00:33:45,022
for like exposure therapy
for like either like David
608
00:33:45,022 --> 00:33:49,484
I try an experience or something
like what seems to work
609
00:33:49,484 --> 00:33:52,946
or actually seems to be necessary
for them to do is exposure
610
00:33:52,946 --> 00:33:58,368
to stress, stressor. Experiencing
the fact that I came, I was able
611
00:33:58,368 --> 00:34:01,497
to deal with it to a degree.
It was still for a while maybe.
612
00:34:01,497 --> 00:34:04,791
But then like over time,
what was territory? Terrifying
613
00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:08,336
is not no longer terrifying.
Just because there exists
614
00:34:08,336 --> 00:34:11,257
a big enough library
in your brain saying, and this is
615
00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:14,927
this wasn't that bad.
I think it's the same.
616
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:16,929
And I think actually in
that sense, it's
617
00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:21,099
a valuable experience to
to do stuff like, yeah, stage
618
00:34:21,099 --> 00:34:24,896
performing or anything,
which puts you out there
619
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:28,440
because it is,
it is fucking terrifying
620
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,610
at first.
It's absolutely horrible
621
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:32,195
because like, you're
in front of everyone
622
00:34:32,195 --> 00:34:35,782
and you feel that you're
doing really or you can't
623
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:37,574
manage the thing
and you put so much
624
00:34:37,574 --> 00:34:39,284
pressure on yourself
and you think everyone
625
00:34:39,284 --> 00:34:44,206
thinks you suck and you just
want to kill yourself out there
626
00:34:44,206 --> 00:34:47,626
and you hate every second
and you feel that
627
00:34:47,626 --> 00:34:49,336
like every second
you get more stressed
628
00:34:49,336 --> 00:34:51,130
than you feel
the audience is being.
629
00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:53,840
Like they see you being stressed,
which means that
630
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,260
they feel bad about it.
You feel even worse.
631
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:58,596
And it's just like this
for like the cycle.
632
00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:02,432
But but there it is.
There is like significant value
633
00:35:02,432 --> 00:35:05,018
in that because, like,
you get like
634
00:35:05,018 --> 00:35:06,978
to get good at stage.
If you go on stage,
635
00:35:06,978 --> 00:35:08,396
if you haven't done this
since you're a kid.
636
00:35:08,396 --> 00:35:11,525
So that sort of thing is
more natural is you just have
637
00:35:11,525 --> 00:35:16,239
to pass through.
That is kind of like a kind of a
638
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,909
trial by fire sort of thing.
Like in in the end, like you get
639
00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:22,286
a little bit better.
It was like a little bit
640
00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:25,539
less horrible being out there.
You get like a positive comment.
641
00:35:25,539 --> 00:35:28,208
Someone says, Yeah, like,
for example, surfing school
642
00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:31,003
is all about this. Like I had
a horrible time
643
00:35:31,003 --> 00:35:33,255
with just that thing
in circus school because I had
644
00:35:33,255 --> 00:35:35,340
no experience.
I was trying really hard.
645
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:37,885
I was trying too hard.
And then like people are.
646
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,637
Yeah, but like, you can see that
you're trying, but like
647
00:35:40,637 --> 00:35:43,349
the theatre trying is that
you need to like, relax to that.
648
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:45,309
But then you as volatility
this motherfucker,
649
00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:48,855
you just need to even to do it
a million times and then it
650
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:51,273
kind of get there. And I had
the supportive
651
00:35:51,273 --> 00:35:53,985
environment with people,
which matters a lot
652
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,195
because if you don't,
then you're just going
653
00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,989
to retreat back in the shell
and just not be able to like,
654
00:35:58,989 --> 00:36:02,784
genuinely try again.
So over how long.
655
00:36:02,784 --> 00:36:06,204
Do you think it took to get rid
of most of that if it if
656
00:36:06,204 --> 00:36:12,170
it ever goes away entirely?
I think during the first
657
00:36:13,128 --> 00:36:16,090
years in school
I feel I had very few
658
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:18,675
like the first three years
had very few times where I felt
659
00:36:18,675 --> 00:36:20,385
that I was like genuinely
doing something
660
00:36:20,385 --> 00:36:22,512
where I felt confident.
Maybe it was like
661
00:36:22,512 --> 00:36:26,434
two or three times
during the entire school
662
00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:28,393
period I was trying
and sometimes I felt
663
00:36:28,393 --> 00:36:30,855
okay but like it. But in
towards the end, like
664
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,981
something started to happen.
But I was like getting
665
00:36:32,981 --> 00:36:36,527
beaten into me by my classmates
there, just like because I have
666
00:36:36,527 --> 00:36:39,197
my tendencies and I have my,
my way of sort
667
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:45,202
of protecting myself from truly
exposing myself on stage. And and
668
00:36:45,202 --> 00:36:48,998
that was holding me back.
But over time, it kind of
669
00:36:48,998 --> 00:36:51,291
came together. And then, like,
you step out into the
670
00:36:51,291 --> 00:36:53,878
actual performance feel.
Then like the first year,
671
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:57,672
I was also kind of like
insecure, but
672
00:36:57,672 --> 00:36:59,800
I had to realise that,
well, I'm chosen
673
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,885
for doing this now.
Like I was the one chosen
674
00:37:01,885 --> 00:37:05,139
for being this role. So I better
just deal with it
675
00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:07,182
and kind of one of these
things where you just
676
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,561
like you're just thrust into it
and you just have to deal with it
677
00:37:11,561 --> 00:37:14,773
and you do with time.
Like there's, I think it's
678
00:37:14,773 --> 00:37:16,983
also something like, okay, once
you feel that, that, yeah,
679
00:37:16,983 --> 00:37:19,320
but it's my responsibility
to just get good at this.
680
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,155
Now you repeat, you
suffer through when you feel
681
00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:24,784
that you're bad. But it took
many years as well
682
00:37:24,784 --> 00:37:30,121
just to kind of calm down in it.
So I guess like five, six years.
683
00:37:30,121 --> 00:37:32,416
And I started
getting better at it like now,
684
00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:35,001
like ten plus years on, it's
much more relaxed,
685
00:37:35,001 --> 00:37:37,128
which I also think
just comes with age a little bit,
686
00:37:37,128 --> 00:37:40,298
that you're at a little bit
more distance toward
687
00:37:40,298 --> 00:37:43,344
like from that thing of
I didn't do perfect.
688
00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:45,137
Oh my God, Oh my God.
Where you're is like, Oh, yeah,
689
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:48,014
I just fell my ass
in front of Adriano
690
00:37:48,014 --> 00:37:51,226
Whoopsie Daisy. I just go on
and you laugh a bit about it
691
00:37:51,226 --> 00:37:58,483
and you could just cope. But
yeah, definitely took its time
692
00:37:58,483 --> 00:38:05,365
and I think it's like
one of these things where like
693
00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:07,326
everyone loves to tell.
Talk about going outside
694
00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:08,744
of your comfort zone,
going outside of
695
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,788
your comfort zone
like I think we are.
696
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:13,581
We're not all like outside
of our actual comfort zone
697
00:38:13,581 --> 00:38:16,335
very often at all. I think it's
very valuable to be there,
698
00:38:16,335 --> 00:38:19,797
but I think it's a rare occasion
because it's
699
00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:24,135
incredibly terrifying
to be like stressful.
700
00:38:24,217 --> 00:38:27,722
And then, I mean, like
first thing I can think about
701
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:30,432
if I'm going to be really outside
of our comfort zone right
702
00:38:30,432 --> 00:38:32,726
now, boom,
I go take seeing lessons
703
00:38:32,726 --> 00:38:34,394
and I have to sing solo
in front of people.
704
00:38:34,394 --> 00:38:36,981
Boo that It would be like
I did that in school.
705
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:41,235
It was terrifying. But like
and it's not like I'm
706
00:38:41,235 --> 00:38:44,572
extremely afraid of, of that,
but that's something
707
00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:48,367
that, that would be like,
okay, okay, now I need to like,
708
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:51,494
it would get to me or like,
if I'd feel something. Yeah.
709
00:38:51,494 --> 00:38:55,206
The level And if I go to do like
dance classes because I've done
710
00:38:55,206 --> 00:38:57,710
that before, I wouldn't be as bad
because I've been I've been
711
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:01,755
in that situation or like,
I'm sure if I think of it,
712
00:39:01,755 --> 00:39:05,134
I could find like
a thousand other things where,
713
00:39:05,134 --> 00:39:08,012
where that would put me in that,
that situation for real.
714
00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:10,597
Because I think
just doing something that's a
715
00:39:10,597 --> 00:39:12,807
little bit different
from what you're used to,
716
00:39:12,807 --> 00:39:17,896
that's not that bad. Like while
truly going outside of your life,
717
00:39:17,896 --> 00:39:22,525
your comfort zone is, it's very
it can be very good for you.
718
00:39:22,525 --> 00:39:26,655
But it's it's I think
maybe a sign of truly
719
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:29,240
being outside of the comfort zone
is that it's not comfortable.
720
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,786
Even the 10th time you go
there is like like
721
00:39:32,786 --> 00:39:36,456
I feel like I need back
and it's through
722
00:39:36,456 --> 00:39:39,626
that kind of feeling bad
that like something truly
723
00:39:39,626 --> 00:39:43,380
significant happens. I think you.
Can delude yourself
724
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,465
that you're actually
outside of it as well.
725
00:39:45,465 --> 00:39:47,385
So a couple of years ago
I was getting all
726
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,471
these challenges for myself
was, you know, I'm going to
727
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,056
run a marathon
and I don't particularly
728
00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:55,643
like running.
I'm going to do a six day
729
00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:58,396
silent retreat. I'm going to do
all of these,
730
00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:02,190
you know, challenges in terms of
I'll be vegan for a month,
731
00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:04,902
I'll be vegetarian,
I'll do all this stuff.
732
00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:08,197
And I look at it and I went, Man,
you know, a lot of that
733
00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:11,449
was just me making myself suffer
just to kind of prove a point
734
00:40:11,449 --> 00:40:15,454
that I could do it. Yeah.
And you know. What's
735
00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:17,998
so you don't know me
that well, But, you know,
736
00:40:17,998 --> 00:40:20,126
solitude is something
I'm really comfortable with,
737
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:24,922
and I can be on my own for ages.
And so, sure, being in a
738
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,715
on a silent retreat for myself,
you know, kind of locking myself
739
00:40:27,715 --> 00:40:33,389
in a room for a bunch of days
is hard. It's not. That hard.
740
00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:36,434
At the same time. And all that
came out from that was just go
741
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:38,853
like, man, I, I did
not need to do that.
742
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:43,148
That was overkill.
And there's also just, you know,
743
00:40:43,148 --> 00:40:46,943
everyone has so many fears that
I think if you can conquer
744
00:40:46,943 --> 00:40:50,447
a couple of them just to prove
that you are capable
745
00:40:50,447 --> 00:40:53,242
of conquering fears or doing
those uncomfortable things,
746
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:56,411
then you don't need to go out
and you know, you don't
747
00:40:56,411 --> 00:40:58,246
need to go out
and prove to yourself
748
00:40:58,246 --> 00:41:02,376
that you can sing. Yeah.
Because you've
749
00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:03,835
already done something
similar to that,
750
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:06,547
which was through performing on
a stage Treasurer.
751
00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:11,177
I think are also like,
What you mean? It's questions
752
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:16,056
as old as time, I guess.
But I mean, I think
753
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,974
people are different
and like needs
754
00:41:17,974 --> 00:41:21,394
need different things
or want different things.
755
00:41:21,394 --> 00:41:24,773
In September
and I speaking for myself
756
00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:29,612
like the things that I
did do like that kind of them
757
00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:33,574
directions I ended on going in
like some many of them were very,
758
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,367
very rewarding
and interesting and like,
759
00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:37,952
I've been incredibly
it's been very good for me
760
00:41:37,952 --> 00:41:41,289
to go in this direction.
But like, yes, I think it's
761
00:41:41,289 --> 00:41:45,543
it's not necessarily
important to do that all the time
762
00:41:45,543 --> 00:41:48,047
to kind of prove a point
or to be a
763
00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:52,717
that guy that always goes
past this comfort zone. Like it's
764
00:41:52,717 --> 00:41:55,846
I don't think you necessarily
have like a much better time
765
00:41:55,846 --> 00:41:59,557
just because you're constantly
doing that. But I definitely do
766
00:41:59,557 --> 00:42:01,809
think on the other
side of it that like
767
00:42:01,809 --> 00:42:03,686
is there a like classic
kind of in
768
00:42:03,686 --> 00:42:08,317
like dude bro gym culture
or like maybe by popular
769
00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:09,610
culture in general,
that there is this
770
00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:12,780
notion of like, oh yeah, I'm
just doing the things for myself.
771
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,532
I don't care
what other people think.
772
00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:16,784
Yeah, why are you posting
that on Facebook then
773
00:42:17,867 --> 00:42:20,371
posting them exactly.
Because you want and other
774
00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:23,706
to see you as independent
and strong and cool and making
775
00:42:23,706 --> 00:42:25,960
your own choices and there's
nothing special.
776
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,628
You're doing exactly
the same thing.
777
00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:31,923
So like recognition and respect
and all these things
778
00:42:31,923 --> 00:42:40,056
that seem rather to be pretty
and hard to say necessary
779
00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:41,891
for people think
people need to be seen
780
00:42:41,891 --> 00:42:46,271
and to be like
loved and cared for and respected
781
00:42:46,271 --> 00:42:47,731
on all these things.
So it's just like to
782
00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,692
accept that like
and that's why I said,
783
00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:52,235
like when I started
all this things, things,
784
00:42:52,235 --> 00:42:54,862
it was just,
it wasn't, it wasn't to,
785
00:42:54,862 --> 00:42:57,615
it wasn't some like grand journey
to the top of the mountain
786
00:42:57,615 --> 00:42:59,994
to meet the guru.
It was just like some insecurity.
787
00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:03,789
Do this. I really need to deduce
and fit to feel good. And yes,
788
00:43:03,789 --> 00:43:07,626
I'd rather stand by that
than some bullshit. So it's like,
789
00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:09,711
and that's fine
because over time, like,
790
00:43:09,711 --> 00:43:13,632
it doesn't it doesn't always need
to stay like that. I'm not like
791
00:43:13,632 --> 00:43:16,217
desperately going out on stage
to be like, love me, love me.
792
00:43:16,217 --> 00:43:19,762
I need that to be centred like,
like now I'm
793
00:43:19,762 --> 00:43:22,516
like kind of chilling with that.
And they struggle
794
00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:25,101
almost taking a step back
from all the performing work.
795
00:43:25,101 --> 00:43:31,608
And like I'm incredibly, I'd say,
thankful for all of the stuff
796
00:43:31,608 --> 00:43:34,277
like I've learned from it.
Of course I'm developing a lot
797
00:43:34,277 --> 00:43:35,987
of the version
and I think that's great
798
00:43:35,987 --> 00:43:39,824
for anyone that does
whatever that is to
799
00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:45,748
make themselves
more confident in a way. But and
800
00:43:45,748 --> 00:43:49,168
like in the end,
like maybe through the thing is
801
00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:51,461
you actually realise
that, oh, hey, it's like for me,
802
00:43:51,461 --> 00:43:54,130
for example, I just, I actually
really like this hand
803
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:56,675
balancing thing. Actually,
I really love to do this stuff
804
00:43:56,675 --> 00:43:59,344
because I still do it.
Like I still go
805
00:43:59,344 --> 00:44:02,472
to the hall to train,
like even Android.
806
00:44:02,472 --> 00:44:05,893
I enjoyed the practice. I enjoy
doing it for it's its own
807
00:44:05,893 --> 00:44:09,521
kind of thing, even though
yes, of course,
808
00:44:09,521 --> 00:44:11,190
I think it's great
that other people think
809
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:12,775
it's cool.
I think it's cool. I do.
810
00:44:12,775 --> 00:44:15,485
I like to nerd out about it
and like, how did this
811
00:44:15,485 --> 00:44:18,280
part of my life? But things
it's just better
812
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,907
to just realise that like, yeah,
and you're not fucking special.
813
00:44:20,907 --> 00:44:27,206
You're just like someone.
The, the transition that
814
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:30,793
you kind of referred to it
just then of the moving away,
815
00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:34,088
I guess from the performance.
How does that normally work for
816
00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:38,257
the circus artists. Is it,
you know, do they get to a point
817
00:44:38,257 --> 00:44:41,804
where it's I got to retire,
my body is just falling to bits
818
00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:45,139
or is there not a
no more of a kind
819
00:44:45,139 --> 00:44:48,059
of graceful exit
where it's you find,
820
00:44:48,059 --> 00:44:51,980
you know, life, You know,
I want a quote unquote,
821
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,693
real life. I want to have kids
and have a house somewhere, and I
822
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,403
don't want to travel as much
that sort of deal. What
823
00:44:58,403 --> 00:45:00,697
how do people normally
kind of transition out of
824
00:45:00,697 --> 00:45:06,119
being full time performers?
I mean, I think some people
825
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:10,623
get injured, but I
think it's actually I think it's
826
00:45:10,623 --> 00:45:14,836
actually much more the second
thing, like some people will sure
827
00:45:14,836 --> 00:45:18,757
burn out their body.
Some people short do get broken,
828
00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:23,010
but so do they from other
just random jobs.
829
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:26,889
I mean, a lot of people
need to quit their jobs because,
830
00:45:26,889 --> 00:45:30,518
like whether neon
broken or whatever.
831
00:45:30,518 --> 00:45:32,271
If you kept up
that furniture work,
832
00:45:32,271 --> 00:45:35,773
you you'd have either busted out.
Hiring stuff or the.
833
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:39,652
Mafia would have come and busted
your name, Boy. Yeah. Like that
834
00:45:39,652 --> 00:45:42,447
stuff is much worse
for your body. I'd say.
835
00:45:42,447 --> 00:45:44,824
I'd say that.
The problematic thing
836
00:45:44,824 --> 00:45:47,161
also to refer back to a question
you have before, like
837
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:50,414
what's kind of the
bad things of the
838
00:45:50,414 --> 00:45:54,126
of being a performer
of this kind? Like the two things
839
00:45:54,126 --> 00:45:56,753
that I can think about.
One is the travel.
840
00:45:56,753 --> 00:45:59,130
That is definitely one
that like, it's awesome.
841
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:01,090
When you're
in your early twenties,
842
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,302
you go to places,
it's really cool, but like
843
00:46:04,302 --> 00:46:07,306
just another fucking airport
and another fucking hotel
844
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,184
and you like
you can't have your brain
845
00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:12,518
in 111 place
because you're constantly
846
00:46:12,518 --> 00:46:15,063
changing places.
It's also difficult with kind
847
00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:18,442
of like relationships,
like with yeah, if you have,
848
00:46:18,442 --> 00:46:20,693
if you have a significant
someone or like family
849
00:46:20,693 --> 00:46:24,114
or all that of like seeing,
seeing the people in your life,
850
00:46:24,114 --> 00:46:26,992
even like for me being home here
in Stockholm, like I've been
851
00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:30,286
so much away from Stockholm
for the 14 years that I've been
852
00:46:30,286 --> 00:46:33,456
living here that like
I don't really have any,
853
00:46:33,456 --> 00:46:36,585
like daily routines when I'm here
other than doing training
854
00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:39,670
because like,
I'm away all the time. So that is
855
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:42,800
like definitely one. I'm like
travelling again
856
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,592
and again and again.
Especially the last years
857
00:46:44,592 --> 00:46:48,764
really been grinding on me.
I still like, like to perform.
858
00:46:48,764 --> 00:46:51,307
I still want to do that
some years, but it's just like
859
00:46:51,307 --> 00:46:53,309
constantly having to be like,
Oh yeah, I'm
860
00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:55,978
going there in a week
and like your brain is halfway
861
00:46:55,978 --> 00:46:58,690
getting ready to go again,
like trying to be here
862
00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:02,402
and now it's like
it can be annoying. And then,
863
00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:06,489
yeah, you do have like the fact
that like when you're performing,
864
00:47:06,489 --> 00:47:09,326
you are going out there
onto the stage
865
00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:14,039
and you're going to
be full of the body's best,
866
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:17,543
best stuff to make
you able to do the thing.
867
00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,086
Your entire
like adrenaline system
868
00:47:20,086 --> 00:47:24,298
just goes like, okay, control
time, don't feel pain. You just
869
00:47:24,298 --> 00:47:28,594
you just pull through.
And where are you in training?
870
00:47:28,594 --> 00:47:30,556
Okay, I stop now.
I you know, that's
871
00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:31,931
that's what you do
when you're in training,
872
00:47:31,931 --> 00:47:34,309
buying like you feel
the knife in the wrist.
873
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:36,103
You just go down
from the handstand.
874
00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:38,730
Then you're like, okay, fuck.
Okay, maybe the sessions over
875
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:41,440
you coming the next day,
bam, you get the knife
876
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,735
interest arrest
in a two minute handstand
877
00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:48,239
where you can't come down.
It's not so great. And so, like,
878
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,992
do you jump down? Do you like
if it's like something
879
00:47:50,992 --> 00:47:53,996
very significant,
a severe injury, which I've had
880
00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:56,206
happened on stage, not with me,
but with others.
881
00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:58,333
And then you, of course,
have to cut the show,
882
00:47:58,333 --> 00:48:01,128
but very often
you're just like you're
883
00:48:01,128 --> 00:48:06,884
on autopilot. You feel less pain
than you'd normally do. And even
884
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,219
when you feel pain,
you also have this like,
885
00:48:11,304 --> 00:48:14,016
I don't know, like you're
just used to pulling through
886
00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:18,061
and you're you're it's
it feels easier to just do
887
00:48:18,061 --> 00:48:21,731
the thing that you're
used to doing in pain than than
888
00:48:21,731 --> 00:48:25,610
than having to go
in consciously and and rethink
889
00:48:25,610 --> 00:48:28,447
what you're doing in the moment
so that that might also affect
890
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:30,740
how other people react.
Like let's say
891
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:32,659
you're doing a scene
or someone is coming
892
00:48:32,659 --> 00:48:35,954
jumping into you and you have to
catch them and you just wreck
893
00:48:35,954 --> 00:48:39,791
your shoulder and like,
but that person is coming like
894
00:48:39,791 --> 00:48:42,460
and they're on autopilot too.
So it's kind of like,
895
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:44,503
how do you respond to all
this can be very difficult.
896
00:48:44,503 --> 00:48:48,090
So for the most part, you just
you just grit your teeth
897
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:49,509
and you pull it through.
And that that can be
898
00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:53,096
a very big problem because like
your shoulders have torn off
899
00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:56,891
and you have someone like
those things happen on stage.
900
00:48:56,891 --> 00:49:01,063
So that's why I mean,
some people do retire
901
00:49:01,063 --> 00:49:05,025
due to that, but I think for
the most part
902
00:49:05,025 --> 00:49:08,570
people are either retire
or kind of scale back
903
00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:12,824
the performance
stuff because like, it's a very
904
00:49:12,824 --> 00:49:15,159
it's very intense,
It's very rewarding.
905
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,871
It's really awesome.
It's cool to travel
906
00:49:17,871 --> 00:49:19,998
and see all these places,
do all these things,
907
00:49:19,998 --> 00:49:23,960
do the things that
you love to do. I it's a rush.
908
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:30,759
It's kind of like
there's a lot of like you brain
909
00:49:30,759 --> 00:49:33,762
a reward system activation
in all of that, obviously.
910
00:49:33,762 --> 00:49:39,434
But it it gets tiring to
to constantly travel and I mean
911
00:49:39,434 --> 00:49:41,061
most of the people
that kind of like
912
00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:42,938
step back from it
from that I know
913
00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:46,650
is basically how they they have
a stable partner of kids.
914
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:51,070
Suddenly it gets really hard
to tour with a child and suddenly
915
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:53,197
child is in in
kindergarten or school.
916
00:49:53,197 --> 00:49:56,534
You can't do that anymore. And I,
I know several people
917
00:49:56,534 --> 00:49:58,869
who are like a couples
who basically
918
00:49:58,869 --> 00:50:01,498
they're both performers
and like sometimes one
919
00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:06,293
of the parents go to perform
and they still do that.
920
00:50:06,293 --> 00:50:09,463
Or you have others who basically
create shows together
921
00:50:09,463 --> 00:50:11,590
and they have sort of
like a tiny family circus
922
00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:13,592
in that sense in a way,
which is very adorable
923
00:50:13,592 --> 00:50:20,141
and awesome. But
so it's possible, it's completely
924
00:50:20,141 --> 00:50:22,811
possible to continue.
I just think that over
925
00:50:22,811 --> 00:50:26,356
time, like, yeah, the novelty
might kind of decrease
926
00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:28,983
a bit and like, like with
with other professions too,
927
00:50:28,983 --> 00:50:32,195
like you've done it
for ten years, you might like
928
00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:34,530
start to see that one of
your other interests is starting
929
00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:37,034
to kind of like take a lot of it
seems like you have maybe
930
00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:39,286
want to do
something else for a bit
931
00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:44,623
because like this is no longer
an insanely fascinating as it was
932
00:50:44,623 --> 00:50:46,751
and it costs
a lot of time and energy
933
00:50:46,751 --> 00:50:50,297
and your body might feeling a bit
cranky and a bit like you're
934
00:50:50,297 --> 00:50:53,550
not as motivated to do
that push physically,
935
00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:59,264
even though you can. I think
it's more often in that direction
936
00:50:59,264 --> 00:51:02,349
that people start like
taking a step away from it
937
00:51:02,349 --> 00:51:04,936
and being like, okay,
now I'm actually
938
00:51:04,936 --> 00:51:07,146
physically incapable
of doing this anymore.
939
00:51:07,146 --> 00:51:10,733
And that is that is more rare,
I'd say. And I can also feel
940
00:51:10,733 --> 00:51:14,905
that myself at this point.
Yeah, yeah. So you said you're
941
00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:18,074
kind of transitioning away from
some show. Well,
942
00:51:18,074 --> 00:51:20,327
how are you doing that?
Are you kind of doing
943
00:51:20,327 --> 00:51:23,954
less shows or I mean, with
the knitting piece
944
00:51:23,954 --> 00:51:25,998
and things like that, there's a
there's kind
945
00:51:25,998 --> 00:51:27,583
of a schedule, right?
You got to be available
946
00:51:27,583 --> 00:51:32,130
for all of them. So is it? Yeah.
So like even the business deal,
947
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:36,675
like we often have, like we often
have replacements
948
00:51:36,675 --> 00:51:39,012
for shows because I mean,
and one thing
949
00:51:39,012 --> 00:51:40,931
is injuries, of course,
but another is like
950
00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:44,476
stuff like this stuff or,
or maybe the most significant one
951
00:51:44,476 --> 00:51:47,561
is that most people that work
in the kind of the
952
00:51:47,561 --> 00:51:49,815
now where they feel
though this are involved
953
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:52,483
in several projects
at the same time because there's
954
00:51:52,483 --> 00:51:56,780
no show that runs
and every month a year
955
00:51:58,824 --> 00:52:01,076
unless like some some Soleil
shows does
956
00:52:01,076 --> 00:52:04,663
but for the most part you
you are on some periods
957
00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:05,996
and you're off.
So you kind of like
958
00:52:05,996 --> 00:52:11,128
you make kind of a big
puzzle out of your your schedule.
959
00:52:11,128 --> 00:52:15,590
And so this is not like,
for example, in any piece,
960
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:19,344
I have a replacement guy
named Tony Pornography bouncer,
961
00:52:19,344 --> 00:52:23,974
good friend of mine. That's great
because that means that like yeah
962
00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:27,811
I don't need to feel
the pressure of like, okay, yeah
963
00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:30,313
we have gigs now like
and there's like ten other people
964
00:52:30,313 --> 00:52:34,108
who is like everyone is on
and I'm a bit on the fence
965
00:52:34,108 --> 00:52:37,027
and then, then it's nice
that like there's,
966
00:52:37,027 --> 00:52:40,574
there is an option
and then it's so it's,
967
00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:43,201
it's the same with the,
with the school show
968
00:52:43,201 --> 00:52:45,704
and I have in Norway
that like there are
969
00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:47,914
we are several people
that know that show
970
00:52:47,914 --> 00:52:51,501
so it can roll even if if not
if one or two people
971
00:52:51,501 --> 00:52:54,211
aren't available, then you have
at least someone else to ask.
972
00:52:54,211 --> 00:52:59,342
So that is kind of one way of of
of dealing with it. But I think
973
00:52:59,342 --> 00:53:04,181
for my own partner, my own
process and there's
974
00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:06,849
like I'm, I'm, I still want
to be on stage.
975
00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:09,518
It's just like I want
I do want to maybe do it
976
00:53:09,518 --> 00:53:12,230
a bit more periodically. And I
the last year I felt like
977
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:15,065
sort of burnt out
a lot of the kind of the energy
978
00:53:15,065 --> 00:53:17,860
or like then to drive out of to
for wanting to do it
979
00:53:17,860 --> 00:53:23,199
like right now and also just fact
that like we have several
980
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,367
like some new projects
with Hanson Factory and that like
981
00:53:25,367 --> 00:53:28,163
I really want to like
spend more time on and spend
982
00:53:28,163 --> 00:53:33,626
more time on that in general,
which also allows me to be,
983
00:53:33,626 --> 00:53:37,630
be a bit more at home
and to be a bit more like
984
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:40,090
not in kind of
the travelling goal mode.
985
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:44,429
All the time though,
like for four periods, like I
986
00:53:44,429 --> 00:53:46,472
definitely still
want to be, to be on
987
00:53:46,472 --> 00:53:49,934
stage and to be involved
and certain
988
00:53:49,934 --> 00:53:52,686
projects such as Vault, which is
kind of like My baby
989
00:53:52,686 --> 00:53:55,231
is something that
I really want to do more,
990
00:53:55,231 --> 00:53:57,608
but maybe like jump
on that increase
991
00:53:57,608 --> 00:54:01,737
that I played over 300 times,
is that as exciting now?
992
00:54:01,737 --> 00:54:03,782
Like I've been there, done
that, I can do it
993
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:05,407
in my fucking half sleep
even though it's
994
00:54:05,407 --> 00:54:10,871
terrifyingly heavy. But
it's it's like doing that
995
00:54:10,871 --> 00:54:13,333
show just feels like doing it.
Another one like there are
996
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,960
there are few
new experiences for me
997
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,213
to have in that show
because since I've done so much.
998
00:54:19,213 --> 00:54:22,050
Yeah, yeah. You've just,
you've fallen over so many times.
999
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,969
You've all, all the,
all the bad stuff
1000
00:54:24,969 --> 00:54:26,596
that has happened
could have happened.
1001
00:54:26,596 --> 00:54:29,391
So yeah, the,
the discomfort level.
1002
00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:34,561
Is. Is yeah. Is it is just at the
physical level.
1003
00:54:34,561 --> 00:54:36,731
If you don't mind, let's
switch gears a little bit
1004
00:54:36,731 --> 00:54:40,652
and I wanted to ask,
these are some kind of, you know,
1005
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:43,655
personal for me as well,
because I'm basically like,
1006
00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:45,699
I really would like to get
the one arm handstand
1007
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,244
at some point.
So I'm training for that.
1008
00:54:49,244 --> 00:54:52,746
But just general
injury prevention,
1009
00:54:52,746 --> 00:54:56,376
what are you kind of
how do you think
1010
00:54:56,376 --> 00:55:00,588
about it in terms. Of like big.
Shocks of, you know,
1011
00:55:00,588 --> 00:55:03,340
making sure you don't
do catastrophic,
1012
00:55:03,340 --> 00:55:07,344
really bad things versus
the accumulation of
1013
00:55:07,344 --> 00:55:11,682
small stuff over time?
Do do you have any rules of thumb
1014
00:55:11,682 --> 00:55:15,519
that you use to, I don't know,
make sure that you do or don't do
1015
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:20,775
certain things. And yeah,
so catastrophic shocks.
1016
00:55:20,775 --> 00:55:26,239
I think there are a few
that one is just like,
1017
00:55:26,489 --> 00:55:30,159
don't fucking skip warm up
that is like and the number one
1018
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:35,331
again, I've. Got that on my list.
I think like anyone that battles
1019
00:55:35,331 --> 00:55:38,751
about like that,
you can just not warm up. I just,
1020
00:55:38,751 --> 00:55:42,630
I think it's nonsense
because like you, first of all,
1021
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:45,800
you don't have you
you're not that short on time.
1022
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,304
So you can take the time
to warm up. And to me, to me,
1023
00:55:50,304 --> 00:55:55,101
warm up means more about like
assessing your level of readiness
1024
00:55:55,101 --> 00:55:59,105
than a lot of people think.
Warm up means that you need to be
1025
00:55:59,105 --> 00:56:02,608
like that. Sort of a little bit
sweaty, little bit of like
1026
00:56:02,608 --> 00:56:04,110
breathing a little bit.
Just like,
1027
00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:08,072
let's say you sit on like
you bike for 25 minutes
1028
00:56:08,072 --> 00:56:10,032
with like a little
bit of intensity,
1029
00:56:10,032 --> 00:56:13,411
not too much then
and then you're warm. That's not
1030
00:56:13,411 --> 00:56:18,333
what I consider warm in, in like
because I think being warmed up
1031
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:22,753
is just very relative to your
to your exercise and.
1032
00:56:22,753 --> 00:56:25,923
Yeah, exactly what you're doing
for that day. Yeah. So Yeah.
1033
00:56:25,923 --> 00:56:28,425
But you need you need to assess
your level of readiness
1034
00:56:28,425 --> 00:56:33,722
and that'll definitely have to do
with wrists and shoulders,
1035
00:56:33,722 --> 00:56:36,559
but primarily
wrists for unbalancing
1036
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,769
and I can have
a catastrophic injury
1037
00:56:38,769 --> 00:56:40,313
and right now if I want to,
and that is just
1038
00:56:40,313 --> 00:56:41,940
by doing a one arm
stand in the state
1039
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,025
I am in the right now
and I'll have instant wrist pain
1040
00:56:45,025 --> 00:56:49,405
and it won't go away for at least
a couple of days. It might be
1041
00:56:49,405 --> 00:56:51,740
a bad one, too, who knows?
But it's it's
1042
00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:55,869
very easy to get one.
But I can also probably train
1043
00:56:55,869 --> 00:56:59,289
jumping on one hand
for like an hour without
1044
00:56:59,289 --> 00:57:02,585
significant problems.
If I take my my time
1045
00:57:02,585 --> 00:57:08,925
to be ready in the rest.
And that means my to my like
1046
00:57:08,925 --> 00:57:11,302
like the same thing as you do
with bench press.
1047
00:57:11,302 --> 00:57:14,597
You do gradual like you
you increase the amount,
1048
00:57:14,597 --> 00:57:16,599
the weight. You don't go in there
and going to slam
1049
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,769
your one arm first.
Try not very smart. You might
1050
00:57:20,769 --> 00:57:23,231
what what does any
weightlifter do?
1051
00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:25,525
They lift the bar a couple times
and then they put on
1052
00:57:25,525 --> 00:57:26,650
a little bit of weight,
a little bit
1053
00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:28,485
more, a little bit more,
and then they
1054
00:57:28,485 --> 00:57:31,864
gradually scale it up.
It's tried and tested and it's
1055
00:57:31,864 --> 00:57:33,740
pretty efficient.
The same with the wrist.
1056
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:35,952
You put your hands and ground.
You see how they feel.
1057
00:57:35,952 --> 00:57:39,246
Oh, I can feel a niggle there.
That wasn't so great. Like,
1058
00:57:39,246 --> 00:57:42,125
I maybe I did something
too much yesterday because now
1059
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:44,293
I put my hand on the floor
in a push up position.
1060
00:57:44,293 --> 00:57:46,545
I wasn't severe,
at least, you know,
1061
00:57:46,545 --> 00:57:49,715
before you kick straight up
into a handstand and you put 100%
1062
00:57:49,715 --> 00:57:54,971
of pressure on the wrist and like
that niggle would be worse.
1063
00:57:54,971 --> 00:57:57,974
So like scaling that up
and particularly
1064
00:57:57,974 --> 00:58:00,393
taking care of the wrist
in that sense, just because
1065
00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:02,561
you can always just sense
how ready your wrist.
1066
00:58:02,561 --> 00:58:05,231
So wrist is so like,
let's say that this push up
1067
00:58:05,231 --> 00:58:07,065
position are fine.
You want to handstand
1068
00:58:07,065 --> 00:58:11,445
the house and felt fine and then
you did handstands for 10 minutes
1069
00:58:11,445 --> 00:58:13,907
and then you do a press
move again. I have to lean
1070
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,576
a little bit on my press now.
That was a bit too much,
1071
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:20,788
you know, But like you, you can
you can see like kind of where
1072
00:58:20,788 --> 00:58:23,373
you're actually taking the time
with that, I think is
1073
00:58:23,373 --> 00:58:31,215
is really important and.
And even like the so that's
1074
00:58:31,215 --> 00:58:34,510
really good for the the I suppose
the catastrophic ones
1075
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:35,844
make sure you don't
do something really
1076
00:58:37,096 --> 00:58:41,809
the the one that I have I first
only really struggled
1077
00:58:41,809 --> 00:58:46,063
with this last year and it was
probably partly turning 32.
1078
00:58:46,063 --> 00:58:49,358
It sounds like the curse of
the curse of hitting
1079
00:58:49,358 --> 00:58:53,820
the three zero was something like
tendinitis, where it's it's
1080
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:57,492
a real gradual onset. You know,
it's it's not like any one
1081
00:58:57,492 --> 00:59:02,664
session in particular is
this is the I should stop here
1082
00:59:02,664 --> 00:59:05,833
but then you keep pressing
and then next thing you know
1083
00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:08,126
you've got a full on
problem is like,
1084
00:59:08,126 --> 00:59:12,005
how did I get into this?
Do you have any metrics or things
1085
00:59:12,005 --> 00:59:16,594
that you look out for to,
to know when is okay if like,
1086
00:59:16,594 --> 00:59:20,056
it's not the worst thing
right now. But yeah. This is
1087
00:59:20,056 --> 00:59:22,224
maybe getting to a point
where I should be or it's always
1088
00:59:22,224 --> 00:59:24,811
just going to be so subjective.
It's very subjective
1089
00:59:24,811 --> 00:59:28,356
that is a problem off
these things. Come on.
1090
00:59:28,356 --> 00:59:32,068
Without asking me to be intimate.
People's tolerances are so,
1091
00:59:32,068 --> 00:59:38,949
so different to so but
like, I mean, overuse is like,
1092
00:59:38,949 --> 00:59:41,577
I mean it's very common.
Make me be like maybe
1093
00:59:41,577 --> 00:59:44,454
the catastrophic ones. Also,
I just come from that.
1094
00:59:44,454 --> 00:59:47,208
You've just done too much
for a too long period of time
1095
00:59:47,208 --> 00:59:49,626
without having the
appropriate recovery,
1096
00:59:49,626 --> 00:59:52,630
and then you
face the consequences of that.
1097
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:54,965
Yeah. Then again,
like it's also like
1098
00:59:54,965 --> 00:59:57,260
it's also important to remember
I don't really believe
1099
00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:58,844
in all this like bullet
proofing thing,
1100
00:59:58,844 --> 01:00:01,472
like because I think in the end
it also just comes down
1101
01:00:01,472 --> 01:00:05,851
to rolling the dice because
you don't have access to the
1102
01:00:05,851 --> 01:00:08,146
all of the metrics
in the sense that like
1103
01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:10,398
you don't know what the fuck is
going on in here right now.
1104
01:00:10,398 --> 01:00:13,985
Like you don't.
You can experience
1105
01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:16,945
certain feedback
from the whole body. Ouch.
1106
01:00:16,945 --> 01:00:19,449
But you can't always know
all these things.
1107
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:22,534
But I think load
management is number one,
1108
01:00:24,036 --> 01:00:28,291
making sure that, you know,
like you're like not pushing it
1109
01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:32,336
to the absolute limit I think is
is really important.
1110
01:00:32,336 --> 01:00:34,422
Just like these
that the basic thing
1111
01:00:34,422 --> 01:00:36,257
that some people do
with strength training
1112
01:00:36,257 --> 01:00:40,135
where you leave a couple of reps
in the tank sort of thing
1113
01:00:40,135 --> 01:00:42,429
like I think
that is more important
1114
01:00:42,429 --> 01:00:46,934
for this kind of practice
than for strength training
1115
01:00:47,226 --> 01:00:50,563
since you're you're working
with like there's lot of joint
1116
01:00:50,563 --> 01:00:53,858
angles there and like,
like basically like
1117
01:00:53,858 --> 01:00:56,902
you don't really want to approach
technical fatigue
1118
01:00:56,902 --> 01:01:00,364
with hand boxing
training in that sense. Like
1119
01:01:00,364 --> 01:01:02,659
to a degree it's, it's
okay with like let's say
1120
01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,369
you do some pressing
and like your last
1121
01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:06,244
one is a bit rough
and like looks a bit
1122
01:01:06,244 --> 01:01:08,831
shit, Yeah, that's fine.
But you don't want to like be
1123
01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:12,335
in that area where like, you're
technically fatiguing,
1124
01:01:12,335 --> 01:01:15,838
but you're working a lot there.
So that can be one rule of thumb.
1125
01:01:15,838 --> 01:01:20,175
And Mike, you've, you've done
like a decent 35 minutes
1126
01:01:20,175 --> 01:01:22,929
of hand balancing
and then you're, you want to do
1127
01:01:22,929 --> 01:01:27,016
for like another 25 minutes
and you're ending up a bit here.
1128
01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:33,398
Every has done like maybe,
maybe, maybe it's time to call it
1129
01:01:33,563 --> 01:01:40,655
but it's it's difficult and like
getting to know
1130
01:01:40,655 --> 01:01:43,657
your own body is like
incredibly important
1131
01:01:43,657 --> 01:01:47,744
in in relation to to like what
what you need the high level
1132
01:01:47,744 --> 01:01:49,746
of readiness for
and what you don't.
1133
01:01:49,746 --> 01:01:55,920
So I want one funny
example of that is like for me,
1134
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,423
if I take just three
three movements that
1135
01:01:59,423 --> 01:02:01,925
and that is like things
that are not like in hand
1136
01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:05,054
balancing that get up but or not.
And boxing related one
1137
01:02:05,054 --> 01:02:08,141
is the planche one is back lever
and one is front lever.
1138
01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:12,228
Either of three like I'm
the least experienced
1139
01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:15,398
at front Lever because like
I used to do that on straps,
1140
01:02:15,398 --> 01:02:17,817
but like I was never
a great front lever.
1141
01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:20,737
But I'll always do my best
front lever on the first
1142
01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:24,157
or second attempt during a day
if I try them
1143
01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:27,702
and I need zero warmup,
absolutely zero
1144
01:02:27,702 --> 01:02:31,164
and I feel I can fall as hard
as if I've done something
1145
01:02:31,164 --> 01:02:32,789
like the buckle ever.
I used to be really good
1146
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:35,208
that on straps. I used to do this
kind of like drops
1147
01:02:35,208 --> 01:02:38,211
land, the black
leather and stuff and
1148
01:02:38,211 --> 01:02:45,094
and I can not do the battle ever
without having warmed up my pecs
1149
01:02:45,094 --> 01:02:47,137
to some degree.
I need to have done some skin.
1150
01:02:47,137 --> 01:02:50,474
The cast feel that I can, like,
pull in here as nothing happens.
1151
01:02:50,474 --> 01:02:53,978
It's impossible. It's ridiculous.
Like for whatever reason,
1152
01:02:53,978 --> 01:02:57,148
just that part needs a lot
while the other does not planche.
1153
01:02:57,148 --> 01:03:00,108
If I do a straight arm
punch like I might be,
1154
01:03:00,108 --> 01:03:03,780
maybe my first won't be great,
but I'll always feel
1155
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:06,282
like a certain level of stability
on a straight arm plant.
1156
01:03:06,282 --> 01:03:09,367
If I do a bent arm punch,
no chance then that
1157
01:03:09,367 --> 01:03:14,081
that warms up my chest.
So yeah, I don't know, like just
1158
01:03:14,081 --> 01:03:17,168
just specific things
and just something
1159
01:03:17,168 --> 01:03:19,253
that I've learned. Okay. Like,
because I know
1160
01:03:19,253 --> 01:03:20,922
if I'm going to like,
launch Push-Ups
1161
01:03:20,922 --> 01:03:24,007
or handstand push ups
or stuff like that, I can
1162
01:03:24,007 --> 01:03:26,219
I know that
like on the first one,
1163
01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:30,097
I'll probably go
Johannson push-Up Pain.
1164
01:03:30,097 --> 01:03:33,559
That's impossible.
Then like, okay, we're on a one
1165
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:35,978
half the push-Up. I feel fine
if I have to push up,
1166
01:03:35,978 --> 01:03:39,940
still find ten Handsome blows,
but the first one it's impossible
1167
01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:43,027
like my body cannot do. I suppose
that's how it feels
1168
01:03:43,027 --> 01:03:45,905
in the first attempt while you
do a little bit.
1169
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:49,659
And then it's fine by then.
It's not like that front lever
1170
01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:52,036
that I don't train
is definitely not
1171
01:03:52,036 --> 01:03:54,288
like that, you know?
So it's very it's
1172
01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:58,083
very varied. But yeah,
the level of readiness
1173
01:03:58,083 --> 01:04:00,795
is definitely something
you need to consider.
1174
01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:03,380
Yeah, it's funny
how certain exercises
1175
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:05,675
just hit you in different ways.
Hands don't push up for me
1176
01:04:05,675 --> 01:04:12,472
as I got it once. They weren't
the cleanest, but they were okay.
1177
01:04:12,472 --> 01:04:14,641
And then I kind of
just let it sit for
1178
01:04:14,641 --> 01:04:17,978
six months a year and try to get
back to it. And I
1179
01:04:17,978 --> 01:04:21,356
basically had to relearn
the whole thing over. From.
1180
01:04:21,356 --> 01:04:25,027
Scratch and like push ups
raised by push ups, just getting.
1181
01:04:25,027 --> 01:04:29,657
More and more. And it,
it was only slightly shorter
1182
01:04:29,657 --> 01:04:32,117
re learning.
And I just went like,
1183
01:04:32,117 --> 01:04:34,536
fuck this exercise, man.
Like, I've never,
1184
01:04:34,536 --> 01:04:36,079
I've never going
to lose this again.
1185
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,248
And then of course
I got tendonitis and I had to
1186
01:04:38,248 --> 01:04:41,293
stop for a while. So yeah.
So it's, it's been a while
1187
01:04:41,293 --> 01:04:44,755
since I've done one,
but yeah, yeah. And just
1188
01:04:44,755 --> 01:04:47,507
talking about the,
the catastrophic ones as well,
1189
01:04:47,507 --> 01:04:51,637
the closest I've ever come
to doing really bad stuff was
1190
01:04:51,637 --> 01:04:54,014
it's just completely random,
you know, like one day
1191
01:04:54,014 --> 01:04:57,809
I was out in the park,
the sun was shining
1192
01:04:57,809 --> 01:04:59,603
through this certain way,
and so I was like,
1193
01:04:59,603 --> 01:05:01,355
I don't want to be there
cause I'll get burnt.
1194
01:05:01,355 --> 01:05:03,733
I'm just going to be on my blocks
a little bit closer this way,
1195
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,695
you know, half a metre from where
I normally do in my normal spot.
1196
01:05:07,695 --> 01:05:11,532
And it just so happened
that I misjudged
1197
01:05:11,532 --> 01:05:14,744
the distance between me
and the pole that was nearby.
1198
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:17,996
And as I was cartwheeling out,
I kind of kicked the pylon
1199
01:05:17,996 --> 01:05:21,958
and then I just crumpled
down in this weird way and went,
1200
01:05:21,958 --> 01:05:25,170
Oh man, I got lucky just then.
Yeah, that could have been
1201
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:31,010
really bad. So, you know, like I.
I can't really prepare for that.
1202
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:37,182
Like my own reaction to the sun.
Yeah. Do some reps of
1203
01:05:37,182 --> 01:05:41,686
going out to the beach
or something Maybe. But I'm
1204
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:44,648
for the one I'm. Hints as well.
So there's a couple of people
1205
01:05:44,648 --> 01:05:48,945
I trained with here in Brisbane
and Brendan is one of them
1206
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:53,740
and he was, he's, he's kind of
probably six months,
1207
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:58,204
nine months into
really going after it and he's
1208
01:05:58,204 --> 01:05:59,621
he's tried
a couple of times before,
1209
01:05:59,621 --> 01:06:00,706
but he's never
really stuck with it.
1210
01:06:00,706 --> 01:06:02,833
But this time he is,
he's getting there.
1211
01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:05,293
He's starting to get, you know,
some like nine second
1212
01:06:05,293 --> 01:06:08,255
holds, things like that
and then on the right arm.
1213
01:06:08,255 --> 01:06:11,800
And he was wondering
with wrist pain,
1214
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,639
is it just inevitable. Like.
Can you can you properly manage
1215
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:22,561
training the one arm without?
And once again, it's getting
1216
01:06:22,561 --> 01:06:25,063
kind of shady. You probably
always going to have some
1217
01:06:25,063 --> 01:06:31,070
wrist pain. But is it possible to
get through learning the one arm
1218
01:06:31,070 --> 01:06:34,572
handstand without
having, you know, daily
1219
01:06:34,572 --> 01:06:38,536
waking ups of just like, fuck,
my wrist really hurts?
1220
01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:43,666
And I mean, the level
of severe severity
1221
01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:47,378
will depend a lot on
that will vary, but you're not.
1222
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:51,465
You're right. Just on
like a statistical
1223
01:06:51,465 --> 01:06:54,385
probability thing,
you're probably going
1224
01:06:54,385 --> 01:06:58,179
to have wrist pain. This is like,
let's say you're like
1225
01:06:58,179 --> 01:07:01,559
like a one hour
handstand is pretty hard. Like,
1226
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,728
let's say like a one arm
hamstring is equivalent to like
1227
01:07:04,728 --> 01:07:08,231
running the 400 metre
at a certain certain high level
1228
01:07:08,231 --> 01:07:10,735
get it requires
like a lot of training
1229
01:07:10,735 --> 01:07:13,028
and you need to get
pretty good at it. If you run
1230
01:07:13,028 --> 01:07:14,112
that much, you're
probably going to have
1231
01:07:14,112 --> 01:07:15,864
some pain in your knee
and you might have
1232
01:07:15,864 --> 01:07:19,117
to stop for a while because
like doing the one arm
1233
01:07:19,117 --> 01:07:21,286
handstand, it's
not like a jog, it's training
1234
01:07:21,286 --> 01:07:23,873
the one triathlon. It's like
trying to go for a little bit
1235
01:07:23,873 --> 01:07:27,251
better time on your
400 metres or whatever. So
1236
01:07:28,251 --> 01:07:30,211
you're probably going have
some pain in the if you're
1237
01:07:30,211 --> 01:07:32,715
if you push very hard for it
and it's going to be
1238
01:07:32,715 --> 01:07:35,967
the same with this.
It's just you're like one of
1239
01:07:35,967 --> 01:07:37,844
the main problems
of learning a one term
1240
01:07:37,844 --> 01:07:40,889
handstand is that like
and few people
1241
01:07:40,889 --> 01:07:44,934
actually focus on this.
I feel like you're just going
1242
01:07:44,934 --> 01:07:48,271
to be really bad at doing one.
I'm not very long time.
1243
01:07:48,271 --> 01:07:51,275
Like, are you going?
I don't want to hear that.
1244
01:07:51,275 --> 01:07:54,820
Are you to do that?
Doing a one hour handstand
1245
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:58,740
during your first 5 seconds
like you can
1246
01:07:58,740 --> 01:08:01,534
You can do as good setup
as you want. You can do
1247
01:08:01,534 --> 01:08:04,496
both technically precise
and do it as nicely as you're
1248
01:08:04,496 --> 01:08:07,958
possibly able to,
but for your body.
1249
01:08:07,958 --> 01:08:11,003
Those 5 seconds who
will be like emergency
1250
01:08:12,253 --> 01:08:14,590
even if it doesn't move a lot
like it's still is
1251
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:18,802
still extremely maximal capacity
because 5 seconds is like
1252
01:08:18,802 --> 01:08:20,970
like imagine
you take a static whole
1253
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:23,056
you can do
absolute best you can do
1254
01:08:23,056 --> 01:08:26,935
is 5 seconds. Like if we
if we take a plunge, for example,
1255
01:08:26,935 --> 01:08:28,938
and you you're only working
on your absolute
1256
01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:31,981
max for 5 seconds, you're
working very high intensity
1257
01:08:31,981 --> 01:08:34,275
and something which isn't
which is probably
1258
01:08:34,275 --> 01:08:37,654
not going to be very
it's maybe too high intensity
1259
01:08:37,654 --> 01:08:40,533
for you to make very much gains
if if this was at launch,
1260
01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,701
because it's just you're working
on what your body
1261
01:08:42,701 --> 01:08:46,663
barely can hold. And it's
going to be the same
1262
01:08:46,663 --> 01:08:49,082
with a one hour and something
like you're like,
1263
01:08:49,082 --> 01:08:53,087
if I do one hour
and I stay until like
1264
01:08:53,087 --> 01:08:57,132
my last 5 seconds of one arm
is equal to his five,
1265
01:08:57,132 --> 01:08:59,467
like last 5 seconds
and over one arm,
1266
01:08:59,467 --> 01:09:02,555
things are starting
to get right. So, like,
1267
01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:09,185
you're probably to like and like
by the time you can do
1268
01:09:09,185 --> 01:09:12,523
20 seconds, like your first 15
is going to be pretty fine.
1269
01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:14,233
And then like
by the time you can do
1270
01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:16,902
45 seconds, like your first 40
is probably going
1271
01:09:16,902 --> 01:09:19,779
to be pretty fine.
Like it's sort towards when this
1272
01:09:19,779 --> 01:09:26,453
starts getting late. So
I think it's really important to
1273
01:09:26,453 --> 01:09:30,666
to just think about the
like what you're actually
1274
01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:32,585
trying to trying
to make your body do.
1275
01:09:32,585 --> 01:09:35,045
And it's pretty difficult task.
So like, like there's
1276
01:09:35,045 --> 01:09:37,590
going to be a lot of like
unnecessary movements,
1277
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:39,550
like your wrist is like
trying to deal
1278
01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:41,385
with all of the weight
and all the movements
1279
01:09:41,385 --> 01:09:44,971
at the same time. And
let's face it, he can do it
1280
01:09:44,971 --> 01:09:47,265
maybe 9 seconds.
It means that like his wrist
1281
01:09:47,265 --> 01:09:49,518
is starting to get used to it,
but his wrist is not that good
1282
01:09:49,518 --> 01:09:53,146
at doing the motions. Yeah.
So and the only way
1283
01:09:53,146 --> 01:09:55,064
he can get good at doing
the motion is by
1284
01:09:55,064 --> 01:09:57,859
doing the motions.
And then you're in that kind
1285
01:09:57,859 --> 01:10:00,404
of dangerous field
where you're going to there's,
1286
01:10:00,404 --> 01:10:01,779
there's always
going to be a risk.
1287
01:10:01,779 --> 01:10:03,239
And that's where
I think that like
1288
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,702
managing the load
is just by thinking long term
1289
01:10:06,702 --> 01:10:10,914
by like skip out on those two
extra reps. And I like
1290
01:10:10,914 --> 01:10:13,876
one thing as well, which I think
is actually pretty important
1291
01:10:13,876 --> 01:10:18,046
during such a stage
to just minimise the mind damage
1292
01:10:18,046 --> 01:10:21,425
is just like, stop doing
all those like extra,
1293
01:10:21,425 --> 01:10:24,427
okay, I've done my one or if
I'm just going to do second holds
1294
01:10:24,427 --> 01:10:27,389
and fingertips like made,
maybe it's good
1295
01:10:27,389 --> 01:10:30,184
to just leave that
because you can probably do them.
1296
01:10:30,184 --> 01:10:33,270
Yes, you add more fatigue,
which could be good for you. Yes.
1297
01:10:34,395 --> 01:10:37,858
Is it actually worth it?
So maybe in those situations
1298
01:10:37,858 --> 01:10:39,818
it's better that you just like
your focus
1299
01:10:39,818 --> 01:10:41,612
just doing the one arm. Okay.
You're you're
1300
01:10:41,612 --> 01:10:44,405
to shorten the shoulders
and wrists, do more
1301
01:10:44,405 --> 01:10:47,618
good hold together you're done
for That can also be really hard
1302
01:10:47,618 --> 01:10:49,453
because you still have energy
and you're doing
1303
01:10:49,453 --> 01:10:53,332
you want to do stuff, you know.
So that's a different. Yeah not I
1304
01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:57,418
I know it the, the reason I got
tendonitis was I was
1305
01:10:57,418 --> 01:10:58,796
I was probably doing
about like three days
1306
01:10:58,796 --> 01:11:01,381
a week of one arms
and then three days of press.
1307
01:11:01,381 --> 01:11:04,635
And I was also doing, you know,
doing some callisthenics
1308
01:11:04,635 --> 01:11:08,555
stuff in there. And it was just
I could keep it up for a while.
1309
01:11:08,555 --> 01:11:12,850
A while I did did that for geez,
almost a year. But at some point
1310
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:16,939
it was just like you.
My body was like, no, this is
1311
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:20,109
this is enough of this.
And yeah, now that's that's,
1312
01:11:20,109 --> 01:11:22,735
that's really good. Thanks.
Thanks for answering that.
1313
01:11:22,735 --> 01:11:25,823
I'm curious. So, yeah,
like you taught, you teach
1314
01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:28,617
a lot of people.
A. Handstand factory.
1315
01:11:28,617 --> 01:11:31,453
People come to you
looking for advice of the
1316
01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:35,332
people who come and say,
I want to do a one arm.
1317
01:11:35,332 --> 01:11:38,877
And they're in the
general readiness for the
1318
01:11:38,877 --> 01:11:41,005
you know, they've already done
probably several
1319
01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:43,298
years of training.
They've probably got most of the
1320
01:11:43,298 --> 01:11:47,261
press variations. They can do
most of the things on two arms.
1321
01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:50,139
How many of. Them go on
to actually get it? Is it
1322
01:11:50,139 --> 01:11:52,725
because it's I feel like
if you've gotten to that stage
1323
01:11:52,725 --> 01:11:54,393
already, you've
you've kind of got a fair
1324
01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:58,814
level of determination.
But is it just the the one arm is
1325
01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:03,735
just this like Yes, skip
over the small valley and you're
1326
01:12:03,735 --> 01:12:10,533
now into like the chasm.
And I think like most that come
1327
01:12:10,533 --> 01:12:14,954
with like a high level
of determination and of doing it
1328
01:12:14,954 --> 01:12:16,664
like basically
what they need is like,
1329
01:12:16,664 --> 01:12:22,212
they really need like are
how to say they need just
1330
01:12:22,212 --> 01:12:24,756
need to be quite
obsessed about it and just
1331
01:12:24,756 --> 01:12:29,136
be willing to just put themselves
through all of the time
1332
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:31,596
that it takes them
like they need, what they need
1333
01:12:31,596 --> 01:12:34,307
to enjoy the practice. I think
maybe that's more important
1334
01:12:34,307 --> 01:12:36,643
than anything. If it's a person
that's just like,
1335
01:12:36,643 --> 01:12:39,229
well, doing an hour,
handstands a day,
1336
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:40,898
five days a week, it's
just something that
1337
01:12:40,898 --> 01:12:43,359
they will do anyway.
Like this is just
1338
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:45,444
part of their life
to that degree. Now
1339
01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:49,364
then and they have like the right
physical capacities for doing it,
1340
01:12:49,364 --> 01:12:54,828
and so they usually
end up doing it like I think
1341
01:12:54,828 --> 01:12:57,413
the ones that don't
end up doing it are the kind of
1342
01:12:57,413 --> 01:12:58,957
the ones that are like,
I'm going, okay, I'm
1343
01:12:58,957 --> 01:13:01,042
going to show you.
I'm going to do it until summer.
1344
01:13:01,042 --> 01:13:04,546
Like they just end up not
they never really wanted it
1345
01:13:04,546 --> 01:13:06,340
in the first place. They wanted
to be a bit cool.
1346
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:08,966
But then, like, it just it wasn't
a good way to be
1347
01:13:08,966 --> 01:13:13,137
cool, was it? Yeah. Yeah.
Because go buy some clothes
1348
01:13:13,137 --> 01:13:15,224
or something. Yeah. Yeah.
It, it cost
1349
01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:19,770
so much time and effort.
So then they maybe don't
1350
01:13:20,061 --> 01:13:25,024
end up doing it. I think
like what matters
1351
01:13:25,024 --> 01:13:26,984
a lot with one arm
she's like that they're,
1352
01:13:26,984 --> 01:13:31,030
they're like
some degree of proper guidance
1353
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:36,744
is very important
because I know like there are
1354
01:13:36,744 --> 01:13:39,664
basically two problem
categories of learning
1355
01:13:39,664 --> 01:13:41,917
one arm one is that like
you're not prepared enough.
1356
01:13:41,917 --> 01:13:45,128
Like your body's just you're not
good enough on your hands,
1357
01:13:45,128 --> 01:13:47,713
you're not strong enough
in the relevant way to be able
1358
01:13:47,713 --> 01:13:51,342
to do it yet. Or like, let's say
you just have zero splits
1359
01:13:51,342 --> 01:13:56,347
and stiff shoulders. You know,
you need to prepare
1360
01:13:56,347 --> 01:14:00,601
to be ready for
for bothering basically.
1361
01:14:00,601 --> 01:14:03,855
Or you have
you are the category that
1362
01:14:03,855 --> 01:14:06,108
just prepare too much.
They just basically do
1363
01:14:06,108 --> 01:14:08,777
do drills and drills and drills
and drills and drills
1364
01:14:08,777 --> 01:14:12,905
and then they're just like
better. Like I've had a few
1365
01:14:12,905 --> 01:14:17,743
people who are just like some guy
mega strong, perfect pike,
1366
01:14:17,743 --> 01:14:21,747
two hands down on the floor,
super strong, like very muscular,
1367
01:14:21,747 --> 01:14:23,917
very flexible.
Can do like a full flag
1368
01:14:23,917 --> 01:14:26,795
on two arms perfectly.
But he's no fucking way
1369
01:14:26,795 --> 01:14:29,506
he could pull this one
finger off the floor
1370
01:14:29,506 --> 01:14:32,426
if he was doing an doing
a straddle when arm placement
1371
01:14:32,426 --> 01:14:35,261
even gets splits and stuff
because like you're just
1372
01:14:35,261 --> 01:14:36,762
constantly spending
all the energy
1373
01:14:36,762 --> 01:14:42,769
on preparation drills versus like
and people like that
1374
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:48,484
I think often have like kind of
I call it like a fake, a fake
1375
01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:51,778
sense of proximity to. The goal,
they think that, Oh,
1376
01:14:51,778 --> 01:14:53,947
I'm almost there
and I just need to do the drills
1377
01:14:53,947 --> 01:14:56,033
because like, it's so important
to have perfect technique.
1378
01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:58,284
I just need to do the drills
and they need to the drills.
1379
01:14:58,284 --> 01:14:59,828
And then there's
always another hand
1380
01:14:59,828 --> 01:15:01,537
touching the floor
or touching a pole
1381
01:15:01,537 --> 01:15:04,541
or touching this.
And the body has
1382
01:15:04,541 --> 01:15:07,627
no way to figure out
this one arm situation.
1383
01:15:07,627 --> 01:15:11,965
Mike It's, you at some point
you need to just let go
1384
01:15:11,965 --> 01:15:14,009
of the training wheels
and you need to
1385
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:17,762
just try to stamina. And
that needs to happen
1386
01:15:17,762 --> 01:15:21,307
at the right stage for sure.
But if if that is not
1387
01:15:21,307 --> 01:15:23,226
allowed to happen, then I think
some teachers
1388
01:15:23,226 --> 01:15:29,440
have a tendency to be maybe let
to have the drill focus
1389
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,069
go on for too long.
And then as soon as like
1390
01:15:32,069 --> 01:15:34,820
the students like left to handle
a better movement
1391
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:38,492
of a book about Bob, like, yeah,
well, but well,
1392
01:15:38,492 --> 01:15:40,409
you can stay there forever.
And my problem is that
1393
01:15:40,409 --> 01:15:46,457
I've seen so many people be there
due to that mindset for a year
1394
01:15:46,457 --> 01:15:51,337
without significant progress at
and of the people that
1395
01:15:51,337 --> 01:15:55,175
I've known that have gotten
really good at hand balancing
1396
01:15:55,175 --> 01:16:00,096
have either like
just with with help say
1397
01:16:00,096 --> 01:16:02,682
with guidance from their teacher
or just sort of letting go,
1398
01:16:02,682 --> 01:16:05,143
learning to balance. Some people
are very still when they start
1399
01:16:05,143 --> 01:16:07,979
some move a lot but give
people enough time
1400
01:16:07,979 --> 01:16:10,565
and confidence to train
and they'll get better
1401
01:16:10,565 --> 01:16:12,024
and they won't
move as much anyway
1402
01:16:12,024 --> 01:16:14,444
and they'll get better endurance
and their strength.
1403
01:16:14,444 --> 01:16:16,529
And so I think
is really important.
1404
01:16:16,529 --> 01:16:19,865
That's and I also I know
so many people
1405
01:16:19,865 --> 01:16:22,994
that got mega crazy
good by themselves,
1406
01:16:22,994 --> 01:16:26,331
like because like, there's also
this kind of thing think, oh yes,
1407
01:16:26,331 --> 01:16:29,167
you need a teacher who can you
what to do always but I
1408
01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:33,130
why are there people that are way
better than me who just
1409
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:36,925
did some handstands
lie and no guidance, no teacher.
1410
01:16:36,925 --> 01:16:37,926
They're just like,
okay, they're good
1411
01:16:37,926 --> 01:16:40,261
at seeing and observing
and figuring it out.
1412
01:16:40,261 --> 01:16:41,930
And then they're like,
pretty talented and then they
1413
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:44,975
get super good. But I know so
many people who learn to one arm
1414
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:49,479
by just trying so it means that
they find like there needs to be
1415
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,731
kind of a meeting point there.
You have technical guidance
1416
01:16:51,731 --> 01:16:55,319
and then you have trying like and
I'm like the teacher
1417
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:58,447
then telling you it's for you
to start trying to do this,
1418
01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:01,240
trying to lift off the arm.
Don't care too much about
1419
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,534
the details because one point
that's also important,
1420
01:17:03,534 --> 01:17:06,537
trying to stand
in the Buckingham. Yeah,
1421
01:17:06,537 --> 01:17:09,916
I'm pretty much perfectly between
those two people you describe
1422
01:17:09,916 --> 01:17:14,587
because I drill
like I love drilling When I'm out
1423
01:17:14,587 --> 01:17:17,716
with my friends. I actually
really play around
1424
01:17:17,716 --> 01:17:19,717
that much doing
doing random things
1425
01:17:19,717 --> 01:17:22,345
because I've kind of got,
you know, my set.
1426
01:17:22,345 --> 01:17:25,431
I know what I'm doing today.
That's that's kind of outside
1427
01:17:25,431 --> 01:17:29,645
of what I was
I was planning on doing. And,
1428
01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:31,688
you know,
I've so I will just drill
1429
01:17:31,688 --> 01:17:36,275
and I really do enjoy that
and I can get caught up
1430
01:17:36,275 --> 01:17:41,198
in this trap of of doing that,
but it will have
1431
01:17:41,198 --> 01:17:44,701
some payoffs as well.
So for example, when I was doing
1432
01:17:44,701 --> 01:17:48,287
something like the Pike Press,
I never really
1433
01:17:48,287 --> 01:17:49,914
particularly trained it,
but I was training
1434
01:17:49,914 --> 01:17:52,000
all sorts of other things
and eventually
1435
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,212
just got to a stage where when,
when I got the first one,
1436
01:17:55,212 --> 01:17:58,172
I could get to
like a couple of weeks.
1437
01:17:58,172 --> 01:18:01,092
It wasn't a big jump
to being like, Oh, I can now
1438
01:18:01,092 --> 01:18:05,055
do reps of this instead of just
one really, really shaky one.
1439
01:18:06,014 --> 01:18:08,934
And I'm kind of undergoing
something like that with the
1440
01:18:08,934 --> 01:18:10,935
older press at the moment,
which is like it's
1441
01:18:10,935 --> 01:18:14,439
really, really. Close.
By and I'll probably
1442
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,859
but I probably could have done it
a month or two. Ago.
1443
01:18:17,859 --> 01:18:21,320
If I just decided like, you know,
all right, this week
1444
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,739
I'm just going to
really go for it.
1445
01:18:23,739 --> 01:18:26,952
But then other aspect
is like, yeah, I'm pretty much
1446
01:18:26,952 --> 01:18:30,413
self-taught as well. And for me
it has been that,
1447
01:18:30,413 --> 01:18:35,585
yeah, finding that balance of.
Like. Doing research online,
1448
01:18:35,585 --> 01:18:38,546
seeing what, you know, resources
people will provide
1449
01:18:38,546 --> 01:18:41,507
and things like that
and you know your your
1450
01:18:41,507 --> 01:18:44,219
your podcast fantastic for that.
And then, you know, I've learnt
1451
01:18:44,219 --> 01:18:47,972
a lot from
people like Tom Americans
1452
01:18:47,972 --> 01:18:53,729
and a bunch of like callisthenics
people as well. And yeah, it's,
1453
01:18:53,729 --> 01:18:57,356
it's kind of like I can. I'm.
Right between those two people
1454
01:18:57,356 --> 01:19:00,277
you describe.
So I've got to make sure I'm not.
1455
01:19:00,277 --> 01:19:02,654
Not overly jolly.
But what's more stuff
1456
01:19:02,654 --> 01:19:05,114
like let's say for example,
stalled or pressed so like that,
1457
01:19:05,114 --> 01:19:08,409
that is that is a perfect example
where where the opposite of like
1458
01:19:08,409 --> 01:19:11,954
like for me like I teach that
and just like yeah,
1459
01:19:11,954 --> 01:19:16,960
just don't drink soda practice
like from sit and pressing
1460
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,421
into a standing position
get good at that because that's
1461
01:19:19,421 --> 01:19:21,006
a series of movements
that you can break
1462
01:19:21,006 --> 01:19:24,216
down into components more easily.
You develop a straddle held
1463
01:19:24,216 --> 01:19:26,845
by doing it with the legs
and then the into straight legs
1464
01:19:26,845 --> 01:19:29,305
with the shoulder position,
and you just get mega
1465
01:19:29,305 --> 01:19:32,309
strong there. And when when
that strength is good
1466
01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:36,188
enough, you sit in that,
in that straddle and you push
1467
01:19:36,188 --> 01:19:38,105
because you've learned
that push already.
1468
01:19:38,105 --> 01:19:41,275
It's intuitive. It's literally
just strength, you know,
1469
01:19:41,275 --> 01:19:43,987
like the kind of initiation
to lift off. And then
1470
01:19:43,987 --> 01:19:47,657
when you have enough power
in relation to your body and
1471
01:19:47,657 --> 01:19:51,453
flexibility, you go up
there is just not not much else.
1472
01:19:51,453 --> 01:19:55,122
And while the balancing stuff
of one arm,
1473
01:19:55,122 --> 01:19:57,958
which is so complicated
and more like a brain job
1474
01:19:57,958 --> 01:20:04,716
than just for both,
like it's a brain job, and then
1475
01:20:04,716 --> 01:20:06,592
then that kind of they're
the rules are a
1476
01:20:06,592 --> 01:20:09,179
little bit different.
So I do think it's like
1477
01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:12,515
it's definitely good.
Like I have tendency that
1478
01:20:12,515 --> 01:20:15,894
like when I when I meet people
who are like when I teach people
1479
01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:18,479
who are very much sets and reps,
I try to pull them away
1480
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,190
from the sets
and reps into more like
1481
01:20:21,190 --> 01:20:23,109
being a bit freer
with the thinking
1482
01:20:23,109 --> 01:20:25,237
around the training.
And when I have people who are
1483
01:20:25,237 --> 01:20:27,613
completely intuitive
and just like the fluff around
1484
01:20:27,613 --> 01:20:30,742
and have no no system,
I try to give them a system
1485
01:20:30,742 --> 01:20:33,494
because I think that there's
there's value in between
1486
01:20:33,494 --> 01:20:38,166
those two two states
and why and depending on
1487
01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:41,711
like what sort of thing
you're working on at the moment,
1488
01:20:42,796 --> 01:20:47,801
I like to look upon it as
kind of a rather dynamic training
1489
01:20:48,342 --> 01:20:51,637
and it's
it's also very different,
1490
01:20:51,637 --> 01:20:53,849
like let's say
some of the stuff we do
1491
01:20:53,849 --> 01:20:56,643
on Factory when we're creating
a program, for example,
1492
01:20:56,643 --> 01:20:59,145
like we went into
that thinking, okay,
1493
01:20:59,145 --> 01:21:05,609
this is going to be by thousands
of people potentially, and they
1494
01:21:05,609 --> 01:21:08,863
they're not going to have like
a direct access to all of
1495
01:21:08,863 --> 01:21:10,907
like all of the questions
like to ask us.
1496
01:21:10,907 --> 01:21:12,993
So we need to make it
generic in some way.
1497
01:21:12,993 --> 01:21:16,954
So I'd rather program
a little bit more clearly there
1498
01:21:16,954 --> 01:21:18,664
so that like it's like,
okay, these,
1499
01:21:18,664 --> 01:21:22,085
these are the numbers
that you need to reach because
1500
01:21:22,085 --> 01:21:23,587
those numbers
might not be perfect
1501
01:21:23,587 --> 01:21:26,797
but like they'll give
a better indication
1502
01:21:26,797 --> 01:21:30,092
like if I tell you that
like, like, like, like let's say
1503
01:21:30,092 --> 01:21:32,011
I was coaching you and you were
doing something
1504
01:21:32,011 --> 01:21:34,389
pretty well for like 15 seconds
and saying, okay,
1505
01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:36,474
it's time to move on.
While in such a program,
1506
01:21:36,474 --> 01:21:39,810
you might say you want this
like for 20 or 30 is like a
1507
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:42,689
no access to kind of like knowing
all of the details
1508
01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:45,190
about a person.
So you I'm like, Yeah,
1509
01:21:45,190 --> 01:21:47,484
and it really depends
and kind of like them.
1510
01:21:47,484 --> 01:21:50,070
The context, the person is
learning to.
1511
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:52,239
Well, what do you do?
You have that person
1512
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,492
who's right in the middle
and they're already
1513
01:21:54,492 --> 01:21:57,037
they've got that
nice balance of play and
1514
01:21:57,037 --> 01:22:02,708
structure. You're
go on, run free. Yeah, a
1515
01:22:02,708 --> 01:22:06,046
little bit like I am. I'm like,
I have this one guy now that's
1516
01:22:06,046 --> 01:22:10,425
quite interesting to work with
because he has like he has a lot
1517
01:22:10,425 --> 01:22:16,180
and like, I'm kind of telling him
to like, like in one way
1518
01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:18,557
I gave him a very
restrictive program because like,
1519
01:22:18,557 --> 01:22:21,978
okay, he needs there's a certain
one thing he needs to work on
1520
01:22:21,978 --> 01:22:25,189
and that's going
to give him a lot. But then I'll
1521
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:26,983
give him a little bit
of variation from that too.
1522
01:22:26,983 --> 01:22:29,903
And I can see it's going and as a
Oh yeah, why don't you
1523
01:22:29,903 --> 01:22:31,570
just give him accommodate,
why don't you try this
1524
01:22:31,570 --> 01:22:35,367
and that at the same time
occasionally, because like I know
1525
01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:37,243
he's doing that work.
Okay, Like let,
1526
01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:38,869
let's add a little bit
of variation to it,
1527
01:22:40,913 --> 01:22:45,710
but I think it's important to,
to not get like the hand
1528
01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:50,090
balancing training
to too close to kind of
1529
01:22:50,673 --> 01:22:54,511
gym training. So because like
intensity, frequency
1530
01:22:54,511 --> 01:22:57,846
and volume at one point
becomes a bit restrictive
1531
01:22:57,846 --> 01:23:02,476
in the way of thinking.
I think though right. Yeah
1532
01:23:02,476 --> 01:23:06,355
I've learnt I've learnt to
change that very much compared to
1533
01:23:06,355 --> 01:23:09,818
when I did only do gym stuff
or even kind of callisthenics
1534
01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:11,987
after that. It has changed
a lot of my mind
1535
01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:13,904
and even just amongst
my friend group, you know,
1536
01:23:13,904 --> 01:23:18,368
there's me who is really great
at compression, but strength wise
1537
01:23:18,368 --> 01:23:21,287
is probably a little bit lacking
my friend Brendan, who's
1538
01:23:21,287 --> 01:23:26,333
been on his hands forever but was
always chasing
1539
01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:29,921
other things as well.
I could get distracted.
1540
01:23:29,921 --> 01:23:33,173
My friend Bell, who is just
absolutely like gymnastics
1541
01:23:33,173 --> 01:23:38,887
beast background but has yeah,
like the kind of structure is,
1542
01:23:38,887 --> 01:23:42,934
is lacking a bit. It's more
she does it when when it was in
1543
01:23:42,934 --> 01:23:45,270
the gymnastics training
so it was very
1544
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:47,439
it was like structured
but not her own
1545
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,481
structure of choosing.
So, you know
1546
01:23:49,481 --> 01:23:51,568
if I just look at all my
friends, I'm like, Damn,
1547
01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:54,612
trying to write something
generic for us.
1548
01:23:54,612 --> 01:23:57,239
If we're all going
for the same goal, would just be,
1549
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:00,243
yeah, a fool's errand,
because it just it wouldn't,
1550
01:24:00,243 --> 01:24:07,500
it wouldn't work well, like that.
No, exactly. That's. Yeah.
1551
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:09,168
I wanted to.
Ask you about burnout.
1552
01:24:09,168 --> 01:24:13,006
This was another,
like, a point of conflict
1553
01:24:13,006 --> 01:24:14,841
between me
and my co-host, who is.
1554
01:24:14,841 --> 01:24:17,844
He doesn't do handstands
that much is more into like
1555
01:24:17,844 --> 01:24:21,221
the bodybuilding gym, CrossFit
sort of stuff.
1556
01:24:21,221 --> 01:24:25,225
And so for you, you
you went through this period
1557
01:24:25,225 --> 01:24:29,646
where you were doing Hansons
like for seven years, 365 days
1558
01:24:29,646 --> 01:24:33,275
a year, you know,
every single day. And.
1559
01:24:33,275 --> 01:24:35,694
And I've you say
like, you know, it,
1560
01:24:35,694 --> 01:24:39,615
it was suboptimal.
You could have done that better
1561
01:24:39,615 --> 01:24:42,993
and it would have,
it would have resulted
1562
01:24:42,993 --> 01:24:45,329
in better things. And I was I
was just wondering, like
1563
01:24:46,663 --> 01:24:51,336
in this times of burnout,
my my friend was arguing
1564
01:24:51,336 --> 01:24:55,297
one was arguing that it's better
the people who get to
1565
01:24:55,297 --> 01:24:57,466
the very top,
that is what they do,
1566
01:24:57,466 --> 01:25:01,179
they burn out and then
it's just like a necessary
1567
01:25:01,179 --> 01:25:03,264
kind of learning curve. It's
something about
1568
01:25:03,264 --> 01:25:08,185
their personality. Will.
Inevitably, even if they
1569
01:25:08,185 --> 01:25:12,940
screw their body
up by working too hard, it's it's
1570
01:25:12,940 --> 01:25:16,903
still the best way to
kind of get to
1571
01:25:16,903 --> 01:25:20,864
a really ridiculous,
you know, top of the top
1572
01:25:20,864 --> 01:25:22,574
your sort of
level of hand standing.
1573
01:25:22,574 --> 01:25:24,118
And I was wondering
if other people
1574
01:25:24,118 --> 01:25:26,954
who you would describe
as you know, they've never
1575
01:25:26,954 --> 01:25:29,373
burnt themselves out.
They've always kind of kept
1576
01:25:29,373 --> 01:25:32,877
the stress level, just,
you know, just underneath
1577
01:25:32,877 --> 01:25:36,381
or even a little a fair
bit underneath. But through,
1578
01:25:36,381 --> 01:25:40,551
you know, just super consistency.
They've they've managed to get to
1579
01:25:40,551 --> 01:25:44,596
what you would call a like a
very ridiculous level. Hmm.
1580
01:25:45,765 --> 01:25:48,851
Hard question, actually,
because it's also it's
1581
01:25:48,851 --> 01:25:51,895
also difficult to know
with these person since.
1582
01:25:51,895 --> 01:25:54,983
I think everyone like has like
ups and downs with
1583
01:25:54,983 --> 01:25:59,863
with their practices and stuff.
And like for myself, I mean,
1584
01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:02,407
I think I've been pretty
I've been lucky
1585
01:26:02,407 --> 01:26:05,952
to non-local myself super badly
during the years, and I've been
1586
01:26:05,952 --> 01:26:08,621
extremely consistent on
like keeping the interest
1587
01:26:08,621 --> 01:26:11,582
because I think is like
the interest is something
1588
01:26:11,582 --> 01:26:14,085
that also can go on
like the love for it
1589
01:26:14,085 --> 01:26:17,380
if you just like, yeah,
keep doing too much.
1590
01:26:17,380 --> 01:26:21,842
And would you. Say that you
had burnt yourself out
1591
01:26:21,842 --> 01:26:24,345
when you were doing
that kind of seven years?
1592
01:26:24,345 --> 01:26:27,097
It was, Oh. No, no, no.
It's like by I,
1593
01:26:27,097 --> 01:26:28,891
I think the closest
I've been to like
1594
01:26:28,891 --> 01:26:33,604
burning out from this
sort of stuff that's been maybe
1595
01:26:33,604 --> 01:26:38,275
like the last year, not in,
but not even training
1596
01:26:38,275 --> 01:26:39,944
because I've been training
even now, it's
1597
01:26:39,944 --> 01:26:43,989
just like a bit much
with like all the travel. But
1598
01:26:43,989 --> 01:26:46,033
yeah, like
I think like my fire for
1599
01:26:46,033 --> 01:26:51,247
it has been like very consistent.
Like too consistent or not.
1600
01:26:51,497 --> 01:26:53,707
But yeah, I've had
injuries obviously,
1601
01:26:53,707 --> 01:26:55,501
but I've never had
like critical one.
1602
01:26:55,501 --> 01:26:58,421
So I'm still have like, I mean
this shoulder will never be
1603
01:26:58,421 --> 01:27:06,011
as it was, but it's,
it's manageable So and at my age
1604
01:27:06,011 --> 01:27:08,805
I'm kind of happy
that I can still keep doing
1605
01:27:08,805 --> 01:27:16,064
really stupid stuff. But yeah,
and like, I was thinking of this
1606
01:27:16,064 --> 01:27:20,318
one guy, but actually
he had a major burn out last
1607
01:27:20,318 --> 01:27:24,154
major. He's not a hand balancer,
but he's an acrobat that like,
1608
01:27:24,154 --> 01:27:27,367
basically he just pushed himself
way too far. Like he got some
1609
01:27:27,367 --> 01:27:29,953
pretty severe
the estate stepped back
1610
01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:33,456
from everything
for a while and yeah so
1611
01:27:33,789 --> 01:27:39,253
and like it's also like
a lot of the people that
1612
01:27:39,253 --> 01:27:43,675
get extremely good and like way
beyond my level and all of that.
1613
01:27:43,675 --> 01:27:46,511
Like it's usually like
they're pretty young
1614
01:27:46,511 --> 01:27:53,141
and full of fire and I've been
people that are 19
1615
01:27:53,141 --> 01:27:57,063
are just on steroids,
like in relation to like how what
1616
01:27:57,063 --> 01:27:59,356
they can put themselves
through and survive.
1617
01:27:59,356 --> 01:28:03,735
And it's, it's like
I thought about this with some
1618
01:28:03,735 --> 01:28:06,113
like students of mine
or other people
1619
01:28:06,113 --> 01:28:08,865
that like I've seen by
and some friends of mine,
1620
01:28:08,865 --> 01:28:10,827
for example, who are just like
of the best
1621
01:28:10,827 --> 01:28:12,578
acrobats in the world,
just one guy about way
1622
01:28:12,578 --> 01:28:15,163
better than I am.
And I'm thinking,
1623
01:28:15,163 --> 01:28:18,458
how long? Three years.
Wasn't even his main thing.
1624
01:28:18,458 --> 01:28:22,630
You just got good responses
on really hard working.
1625
01:28:22,630 --> 01:28:24,966
But it just it just bam,
bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
1626
01:28:24,966 --> 01:28:28,636
All came to him.
Yeah, very quickly. And
1627
01:28:29,636 --> 01:28:33,640
and I mean, he he's
super young or like,
1628
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,560
he was super young
when he was learning that time.
1629
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,480
He still still in this kind
mid twenties, which is like
1630
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,942
you have sort of like
an instant power
1631
01:28:42,942 --> 01:28:45,694
supply at that point.
And it's funny,
1632
01:28:45,694 --> 01:28:48,197
some people like that, it's like
in one way
1633
01:28:48,197 --> 01:28:50,115
I want to tell them, Hey,
I've been there like I did
1634
01:28:50,115 --> 01:28:53,618
a lot of like shitty training.
You can train more efficiently,
1635
01:28:53,618 --> 01:28:55,704
maybe that's better.
But at the same time,
1636
01:28:55,704 --> 01:28:59,375
there is so much fire
in people like that.
1637
01:28:59,375 --> 01:29:02,878
And that same time is like one.
Should you quite set?
1638
01:29:02,878 --> 01:29:04,921
Because like, yeah, they,
their training
1639
01:29:04,921 --> 01:29:08,967
is suboptimal and whatnot
but for them does it, does it
1640
01:29:08,967 --> 01:29:12,680
to be any more optimal like that.
They, they have so much fire
1641
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:20,063
and the second is like and it's
would it help to tell them that
1642
01:29:20,063 --> 01:29:21,730
because I remember when I was in
starting school
1643
01:29:21,730 --> 01:29:23,649
that gym, that teacher hit me
with a shoe on the head
1644
01:29:23,649 --> 01:29:26,319
and it's like you need
a rest in the weekend.
1645
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,697
What do you mean? I know you go
and you train in the weekends.
1646
01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:32,115
Yeah, just a bit. Yeah.
But you need to rest
1647
01:29:32,115 --> 01:29:34,077
training five days a week.
You train structuring
1648
01:29:34,077 --> 01:29:38,497
handstands, new acrobatic
classes, everything I how care I.
1649
01:29:38,497 --> 01:29:42,085
Listen, I didn't listen.
I went in every Saturday,
1650
01:29:42,085 --> 01:29:45,880
every Sunday to the circus school
building, and I went on it
1651
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,341
all the time. I somehow survived.
I was also in those years,
1652
01:29:49,341 --> 01:29:54,096
I was like, feeling invincible.
And I was invincible
1653
01:29:54,096 --> 01:29:57,975
in quotation marks at that point.
Lucky, I'd say more
1654
01:29:57,975 --> 01:30:02,979
invincible, but I didn't listen.
And I think
1655
01:30:02,979 --> 01:30:06,900
there is just like such a
there is like a glorious power
1656
01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:11,447
in that kind of youth
that also should maybe
1657
01:30:11,447 --> 01:30:13,157
not be quenched
or maybe doesn't help
1658
01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:14,826
because you need
to learn yourself
1659
01:30:14,826 --> 01:30:17,286
to need to be an idiot
and just see outlook.
1660
01:30:17,286 --> 01:30:20,957
This doesn't work anymore.
And to me, wait, wait
1661
01:30:20,957 --> 01:30:24,252
longer than I like like that.
Nick to actually get to the point
1662
01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:30,216
where like I take a step
back or two and so it's very
1663
01:30:31,926 --> 01:30:35,680
it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
That it's, it's funny
1664
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,434
when you think of the, you know,
what could have been
1665
01:30:39,434 --> 01:30:43,645
if you did everything so so
you live a full life and then you
1666
01:30:43,645 --> 01:30:47,233
look back at it and you're like,
I could have done this.
1667
01:30:47,233 --> 01:30:48,734
I could have train,
let you know, train less
1668
01:30:48,734 --> 01:30:50,735
and these things and,
and it's basically
1669
01:30:50,735 --> 01:30:54,614
like to be able to have live that
optimal life. You would have had
1670
01:30:54,614 --> 01:30:58,618
to basically have been
like almost unrecognisable,
1671
01:30:59,662 --> 01:31:02,582
like a. Robot or.
Just not a human.
1672
01:31:02,582 --> 01:31:05,835
It's something that you just
would not be able to.
1673
01:31:05,835 --> 01:31:08,503
It's kind of like
you have to either go to.
1674
01:31:08,503 --> 01:31:14,385
So you're aiming for 100%.
You either have to get to 113.
1675
01:31:14,676 --> 01:31:17,220
Or. You're at 50
and it's like there's
1676
01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:21,266
no you can't aim,
you can't hit 100%.
1677
01:31:21,266 --> 01:31:26,021
It's it's it's like a it's just
like a pipe dream.
1678
01:31:26,021 --> 01:31:30,025
And then it's a you
you topic thing which, you know,
1679
01:31:30,025 --> 01:31:32,737
so so many things in life
like that, you know, if we could
1680
01:31:32,737 --> 01:31:34,529
just have things
like this, it would,
1681
01:31:34,529 --> 01:31:36,615
it would all work
And it's like, yeah, well that's,
1682
01:31:36,615 --> 01:31:39,702
that's not how it works. Yeah,
but I do acknowledge that.
1683
01:31:39,702 --> 01:31:45,457
I, I think you're exactly right.
Then it's better to then Yeah.
1684
01:31:45,457 --> 01:31:51,546
Just, just work within like the,
the what you have in a way. And
1685
01:31:51,546 --> 01:31:53,507
I'm like it doesn't,
I don't think
1686
01:31:53,507 --> 01:31:57,220
it needs to be optimal.
I think what it needs to be
1687
01:31:57,220 --> 01:32:01,849
is going to be interesting
and like the level of,
1688
01:32:02,475 --> 01:32:05,101
like and just like you're
going to make mistakes,
1689
01:32:05,101 --> 01:32:08,648
you're just going to I'm going
I mean, because there is
1690
01:32:08,648 --> 01:32:15,404
something also like,
great in that thing. Yes, you in
1691
01:32:15,404 --> 01:32:19,492
there is you're so invested.
You love it so much that like
1692
01:32:19,492 --> 01:32:20,784
you're just going
to end up doing it
1693
01:32:20,784 --> 01:32:23,037
too much sometimes.
Yeah, it it happens.
1694
01:32:23,037 --> 01:32:27,082
And you slowly but surely
learn from that, at least
1695
01:32:27,082 --> 01:32:31,878
in my experience, I learned a lot
slower than than would be the
1696
01:32:31,878 --> 01:32:35,800
ideal scenario. But
I got better at kind of
1697
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,886
relaxing with it.
But at the same time, I think
1698
01:32:38,886 --> 01:32:44,432
that drive is also what
keeps me going. Like, like
1699
01:32:44,432 --> 01:32:46,185
the fact that like, yeah,
I do too much
1700
01:32:46,185 --> 01:32:48,354
sometimes I still do
and I still probably
1701
01:32:48,354 --> 01:32:54,025
will do for many years. But
it's because like it's
1702
01:32:54,025 --> 01:32:58,113
it still intensely fascinates me.
And if I, if I could choose
1703
01:32:58,113 --> 01:33:02,993
to just do it now, whatever
I'd be like, I would never, like,
1704
01:33:02,993 --> 01:33:06,037
really get hurt, but I wouldn't
really care. I'd rather care
1705
01:33:06,037 --> 01:33:09,917
and just take some damage.
It's like it's okay.
1706
01:33:09,917 --> 01:33:13,546
And then in a way, to
to have to have a that
1707
01:33:13,546 --> 01:33:18,426
that's like it's fun and part of
part of it, then, yeah. Like you
1708
01:33:18,426 --> 01:33:21,095
look back at all those,
you look back at all
1709
01:33:21,095 --> 01:33:23,096
those sessions
and you go, you know,
1710
01:33:23,096 --> 01:33:26,309
maybe that was suboptimal, but
I had a lot of fun
1711
01:33:26,309 --> 01:33:28,060
doing it. Yeah, it was.
It was what
1712
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:29,561
I wanted to do, you know.
Yeah, it was.
1713
01:33:29,561 --> 01:33:34,358
So it's kind of like,
yeah, I mean, maybe,
1714
01:33:34,358 --> 01:33:36,444
maybe that's the
I mean, that's what,
1715
01:33:36,444 --> 01:33:37,778
what people talk
about a lot, right?
1716
01:33:37,778 --> 01:33:40,030
It's like enjoying
the process, the journey.
1717
01:33:40,030 --> 01:33:43,658
And if you're happy doing it
and maybe you don't
1718
01:33:43,658 --> 01:33:47,329
reach the highest of the highest
or the most optimal, but
1719
01:33:47,329 --> 01:33:49,873
you know, you have fun doing it.
So like, that's the
1720
01:33:49,873 --> 01:33:51,375
you shouldn't,
shouldn't take from that.
1721
01:33:51,375 --> 01:33:56,255
Exactly. Out of those
kind of like what was it,
1722
01:33:56,255 --> 01:34:02,595
seven times 365, 20, 20, 300 or
something like that. SESSIONS
1723
01:34:02,595 --> 01:34:05,014
How much of that were
would you say you were
1724
01:34:05,014 --> 01:34:07,725
like was frustrating?
Because I'm always
1725
01:34:07,725 --> 01:34:11,103
the psychology of of this is now
that I'm starting to get to,
1726
01:34:11,103 --> 01:34:14,523
I think like a decent level. It's
I'm noticing a lot more
1727
01:34:14,523 --> 01:34:17,109
the psychological things
of okay this you know
1728
01:34:17,109 --> 01:34:23,865
this is what tricks and tips
I need to do to make this for me.
1729
01:34:23,865 --> 01:34:28,328
So for example just, just
I like to do some like leg
1730
01:34:28,328 --> 01:34:31,122
callisthenics stuff and,
you know, leg callisthenics
1731
01:34:31,122 --> 01:34:33,458
stuff is boring
because you have to do
1732
01:34:33,458 --> 01:34:38,005
tons of reps. And so it's
I kind of trick myself
1733
01:34:38,005 --> 01:34:41,550
into doing them by like,
I'll set a number. It's it's less
1734
01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:43,636
than what I know I could do.
I went, absolutely.
1735
01:34:43,636 --> 01:34:46,180
Max But I know next week
I would be able to
1736
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:50,559
add a rep or two on to it.
So it does have that kind of
1737
01:34:50,559 --> 01:34:53,770
I feel like I'm still going up
the ladder, whereas some of the
1738
01:34:53,770 --> 01:34:56,064
handstand stuff,
that's a bit harder to do
1739
01:34:56,064 --> 01:34:58,567
because I've just come in
to one session and my presses
1740
01:34:58,567 --> 01:35:04,614
will be shut. So yeah, just you.
Is there any psychological tips
1741
01:35:04,614 --> 01:35:08,868
that you have in terms of like
training or frustration
1742
01:35:08,868 --> 01:35:12,288
or things like that?
Yeah, I mean, just to answer
1743
01:35:12,288 --> 01:35:13,541
the first question,
there are a lot of
1744
01:35:13,541 --> 01:35:17,877
it was frustrating and I think
that's also why I trained so much
1745
01:35:17,877 --> 01:35:22,966
to find this new work with like,
you know, do more to get
1746
01:35:24,426 --> 01:35:27,555
ridiculous self
punishment, stupid stuff,
1747
01:35:27,555 --> 01:35:31,182
Like not all of it,
but some for sure. Yeah,
1748
01:35:31,182 --> 01:35:35,645
but one of the better
tools that I found over
1749
01:35:35,645 --> 01:35:40,693
the years is like being a bit
like when things don't work.
1750
01:35:40,693 --> 01:35:45,029
Like, uh, let's say
because you substance
1751
01:35:45,029 --> 01:35:46,990
doesn't work,
you pack up and go home
1752
01:35:46,990 --> 01:35:48,783
and you're like, Oh, okay.
And this was like, this
1753
01:35:48,783 --> 01:35:52,954
and like that. And then we
look back is, okay, so what,
1754
01:35:52,954 --> 01:35:56,751
was there something that worth?
Wasn't it like a moment
1755
01:35:56,751 --> 01:35:59,086
that was like, okay, yeah,
that was actually better.
1756
01:35:59,086 --> 01:36:00,880
Okay, everything sucked.
But there was
1757
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:05,717
this one time where I did
X, y, Z and like
1758
01:36:05,717 --> 01:36:08,511
to like to kind of like,
just find the note
1759
01:36:08,511 --> 01:36:10,765
in what you did.
Like that kind of work
1760
01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:14,685
that was okay, that was good
or something can help to just
1761
01:36:15,935 --> 01:36:18,063
remind yourself that, okay,
well, yeah,
1762
01:36:18,063 --> 01:36:20,149
a thing happened there
where I had a moment
1763
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:22,818
where it was like,
or that was a good one,
1764
01:36:22,818 --> 01:36:24,360
but I wasn't able to
because sometimes
1765
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,448
you do a good one. You tried to
replicate it, It doesn't work,
1766
01:36:28,448 --> 01:36:30,909
and you spend an hour
trying to replicate it and that.
1767
01:36:30,909 --> 01:36:35,206
And you're annoyed,
but and you actually did
1768
01:36:35,206 --> 01:36:39,126
a good thing there. And so that
that can be just one more
1769
01:36:39,126 --> 01:36:43,922
practical little tool
that I've tried to to employ
1770
01:36:43,922 --> 01:36:47,009
like the last years, which I find
to be quite nice
1771
01:36:47,009 --> 01:36:51,764
in in reminding myself.
And that's why.
1772
01:36:51,764 --> 01:36:54,850
I'm here to have fun
you get to enjoy.
1773
01:36:54,850 --> 01:36:57,435
That was that was that was nice.
It's okay to
1774
01:36:57,435 --> 01:37:00,730
think that that was nice
because not Yeah exactly.
1775
01:37:00,730 --> 01:37:04,484
It doesn't it doesn't always
to be the same or perfect
1776
01:37:04,484 --> 01:37:09,698
and stuff like that. Mm.
Have you had any.
1777
01:37:09,698 --> 01:37:14,328
How would I describe this
experiences. Which you.
1778
01:37:14,328 --> 01:37:19,291
I just so bizarre. So for example
it was probably a year or two ago
1779
01:37:19,291 --> 01:37:21,167
I was up in a Hanson
and I was doing insurance work.
1780
01:37:21,167 --> 01:37:22,837
So I was probably there for,
I don't know,
1781
01:37:22,837 --> 01:37:25,256
I got to like a minute
and a half minute 40,
1782
01:37:25,256 --> 01:37:28,634
something like that.
And as I was doing that
1783
01:37:28,634 --> 01:37:32,555
for a while, I was looking
at my hands and. This is exactly.
1784
01:37:32,555 --> 01:37:36,559
What a dog would see.
And I kind of. Felt like a dog
1785
01:37:36,559 --> 01:37:39,478
for a little bit because I was
I was just like in, you know,
1786
01:37:39,478 --> 01:37:41,438
in a nice spot of
I don't really need
1787
01:37:41,438 --> 01:37:43,899
to concentrate to do a minute
long handstand or anything like
1788
01:37:43,899 --> 01:37:47,194
that anymore. Do you. Ever have
experiences like that
1789
01:37:47,194 --> 01:37:49,320
where it's just. Like.
What the fuck is going on?
1790
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:55,828
This is really strange. Yeah.
I mean. You were saying
1791
01:37:55,828 --> 01:37:57,078
you were saying
when you're on stage,
1792
01:37:57,078 --> 01:37:59,331
when you can't feel
your hands, that's a
1793
01:37:59,331 --> 01:38:02,751
that's definitely.
Yeah. I've had that.
1794
01:38:02,751 --> 01:38:07,756
I played a show once
where I was like so sick that
1795
01:38:08,256 --> 01:38:11,426
you know, that feeling
when you have to, you really,
1796
01:38:11,426 --> 01:38:14,680
really have to puke
and you're like
1797
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,015
completely incapacitated
and it feels like you're walking
1798
01:38:17,015 --> 01:38:21,520
one metre is like, terrible.
I wasn't able to puke
1799
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,356
before the show.
I was like that for a one
1800
01:38:25,356 --> 01:38:27,734
and a half hour.
Extremely physically
1801
01:38:27,734 --> 01:38:32,864
exhausting show. And that was
that was fucking terrible.
1802
01:38:32,864 --> 01:38:34,908
But it was also interesting
just to see that, like
1803
01:38:34,908 --> 01:38:39,371
I could also pilot myself
through that even suffering
1804
01:38:39,371 --> 01:38:43,958
physically that much, but it was
still possible. That was very
1805
01:38:43,958 --> 01:38:47,880
interesting. And yeah.
How would you say
1806
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,632
you remember that? What?
Was there any mental things
1807
01:38:50,632 --> 01:38:53,801
that you did to, to like
you telling yourself in
1808
01:38:53,801 --> 01:38:56,930
that like it's.
It was just spare,
1809
01:38:56,930 --> 01:39:00,684
It was just like just, just get
through the next segment
1810
01:39:00,684 --> 01:39:04,771
and get through the next second.
I did like all my technique
1811
01:39:04,771 --> 01:39:09,318
and I felt like I'd like
puke in handstand and,
1812
01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:13,113
and just like, forced
everything through.
1813
01:39:13,113 --> 01:39:20,621
It was absolutely disgusting.
And yeah, like in some parts
1814
01:39:20,621 --> 01:39:22,914
of that show, also, like it's
very high cardio and that was
1815
01:39:22,914 --> 01:39:25,542
maybe the worst. You're throwing
yourself around
1816
01:39:25,542 --> 01:39:29,380
that like max speed.
I use that dying inside.
1817
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:34,510
That was pretty rough. When when
you were talking earlier,
1818
01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:38,055
I had this vision of.
The next time I go to a circus
1819
01:39:38,055 --> 01:39:40,181
show, I'm going to imagine
I'm actually watching a bunch of
1820
01:39:40,181 --> 01:39:44,645
robots who are like in pain.
But doing all this. Crazy stuff.
1821
01:39:44,645 --> 01:39:47,564
But they're. They're. Just these
these automatons.
1822
01:39:47,564 --> 01:39:51,359
But they're they're
they're just suffering. I mean,
1823
01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:53,779
there's also
all kinds of other like,
1824
01:39:53,779 --> 01:39:56,114
weird like, weird
things that happen, like either
1825
01:39:56,114 --> 01:39:57,992
when you're on stage
and things go wrong and you need
1826
01:39:57,992 --> 01:40:00,411
to sort of like sort it out
in the moment.
1827
01:40:00,411 --> 01:40:03,538
If there's some rigging
that is wrong or like some cue,
1828
01:40:03,538 --> 01:40:05,289
like you're waiting for the
music to come,
1829
01:40:05,289 --> 01:40:09,795
but it doesn't come or like
the lights shuts off, like,
1830
01:40:09,795 --> 01:40:13,590
it's like all kind of stuff
that you like have to actually be
1831
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:16,844
semi prepared for.
For the most part, it's all fine.
1832
01:40:16,844 --> 01:40:22,265
But yeah, there's
definitely been some like
1833
01:40:22,265 --> 01:40:25,185
some strange experience.
It's just maybe more in relation
1834
01:40:25,185 --> 01:40:33,569
to related to like the,
the being on stage thing. But
1835
01:40:33,569 --> 01:40:39,365
yeah like it's and I
can't think of, of
1836
01:40:39,365 --> 01:40:42,286
I can't think of any
equivalent ones of being a dog.
1837
01:40:42,286 --> 01:40:47,541
I think that was Yeah.
Maybe just me. I'm like,
1838
01:40:47,541 --> 01:40:50,210
like you're saying
I'm, I'm definitely got the
1839
01:40:50,210 --> 01:40:53,671
kind of like weird
aspect that you need to,
1840
01:40:53,671 --> 01:40:55,716
to fit, to fit and run
into these crowds.
1841
01:40:55,716 --> 01:40:59,970
That's, that's me too. It's a
So you're talking about
1842
01:40:59,970 --> 01:41:04,140
anthropology before.
How do you think people
1843
01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:07,685
in the were stronger.
In some sort of way
1844
01:41:07,685 --> 01:41:10,689
Do you think there was
some stuff that they were able
1845
01:41:10,689 --> 01:41:13,149
to do that. Wouldn't.
Be able to be done now?
1846
01:41:13,149 --> 01:41:15,277
So, for example,
I'm thinking, you know,
1847
01:41:15,277 --> 01:41:19,739
humans have gotten taller
just just from like proper
1848
01:41:19,739 --> 01:41:23,993
nutrition and things like that.
And, you know, generally
1849
01:41:23,993 --> 01:41:27,497
the people are better at the kind
of callisthenics type moves.
1850
01:41:27,497 --> 01:41:29,123
You're kind of rarer, aren't you,
because you're like
1851
01:41:29,123 --> 01:41:32,168
six foot and doing hand balancing
while people
1852
01:41:32,168 --> 01:41:37,298
are shorter on their.
Was how much a six foot.
1853
01:41:37,298 --> 01:41:44,347
Six foot is 183. So I'm
a bit shorter than 118. Okay.
1854
01:41:44,347 --> 01:41:46,725
Yeah but you still are still.
Is that still
1855
01:41:46,725 --> 01:41:49,269
relatively tall for a
for a hand balancer. Isn't it.
1856
01:41:49,269 --> 01:41:51,939
Yeah I guess. I mean at least for
some of the dumb shit I do.
1857
01:41:51,939 --> 01:41:56,150
But I think, I think for,
for more like of the
1858
01:41:56,150 --> 01:41:59,320
less like leverage stuff
it could be okay.
1859
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,114
But I mean it does
require a lot of strength
1860
01:42:01,114 --> 01:42:03,074
to do all of that,
all the heavy crap
1861
01:42:03,074 --> 01:42:06,912
if you're taller of course
like yeah. I ask because you were
1862
01:42:06,912 --> 01:42:09,539
going through Professor Pullen
and his book
1863
01:42:09,539 --> 01:42:13,836
on the handstand course and
there's you're talking
1864
01:42:13,836 --> 01:42:17,046
about all the crazy photos
and things of these, you know,
1865
01:42:17,046 --> 01:42:21,051
when I'm playing shows and stuff
like that, it's definitely.
1866
01:42:21,051 --> 01:42:24,429
It's a lot easier for, for
people who are shorter. But
1867
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:33,396
yeah, speaking,
I don't know like in,
1868
01:42:33,396 --> 01:42:36,065
I mean definitely
like a shorter population
1869
01:42:36,065 --> 01:42:39,569
would probably be more
fit to their bodies
1870
01:42:39,569 --> 01:42:44,533
in that sense.
And I guess a lot of
1871
01:42:46,618 --> 01:42:52,207
how to say and
not necessarily tribal,
1872
01:42:52,207 --> 01:42:57,378
but like old culture style
people are very physically active
1873
01:42:57,378 --> 01:43:02,050
and are more physically active,
might kind of on a population
1874
01:43:02,050 --> 01:43:07,805
basis have a better
like a better physique
1875
01:43:07,805 --> 01:43:11,350
in that sense. But then again,
like it's it's I think it's also
1876
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:17,858
very important not to romanticise
kind of how how people have lived
1877
01:43:17,858 --> 01:43:20,694
through history since like
loads that of course
1878
01:43:20,694 --> 01:43:23,654
loads of like I think it's quite,
quite common nowadays to kind of
1879
01:43:23,654 --> 01:43:25,407
like romanticise
a that date a bit
1880
01:43:25,407 --> 01:43:29,453
because it's yes, there are.
Today's the best. Yeah.
1881
01:43:29,453 --> 01:43:30,912
There are many things
that are difficult
1882
01:43:30,912 --> 01:43:33,332
with modern society,
but hey, there's many.
1883
01:43:33,332 --> 01:43:38,295
It's just pretty difficult exist.
And for, for the most
1884
01:43:38,295 --> 01:43:41,465
part, I mean like yeah you, you
if you don't have access
1885
01:43:41,465 --> 01:43:44,134
to a whole lot of,
of modern technology.
1886
01:43:44,134 --> 01:43:48,055
Yes you need to be physical
to do a lot of stuff.
1887
01:43:48,055 --> 01:43:49,597
But then again,
like a lot of the stuff
1888
01:43:49,597 --> 01:43:53,976
they did were not like
the kind of things that we do,
1889
01:43:53,976 --> 01:43:57,855
nor do do indigenous peoples
who live in traditional ways
1890
01:43:57,855 --> 01:44:02,319
do that nowadays. I mean, if you
if you look at like,
1891
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:04,154
yes, you had hunting
and stuff with,
1892
01:44:04,154 --> 01:44:06,364
what they also did loads.
This is like,
1893
01:44:06,364 --> 01:44:10,953
yeah, grow plants in kind of like
horticultural culture or they'd
1894
01:44:10,953 --> 01:44:16,082
like be most of the calories
into the into the tribe
1895
01:44:16,082 --> 01:44:21,128
comes from gathering stuff so.
Yeah or you have to you know
1896
01:44:21,128 --> 01:44:25,300
cook a yam in the special way
underneath the the surface
1897
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:29,262
so that releases like the poisons
that are around and you know
1898
01:44:29,262 --> 01:44:32,265
they at the end of result
of all of this is you get
1899
01:44:32,265 --> 01:44:35,894
just barely enough to subsist
you know that kind of thing.
1900
01:44:35,894 --> 01:44:41,440
But but I suppose you know.
I, I don't know. This. Either.
1901
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,444
Handstand families
or circus families that are still
1902
01:44:44,444 --> 01:44:46,779
going around now
like they used to,
1903
01:44:46,779 --> 01:44:48,782
which is kind of
also not just the
1904
01:44:48,782 --> 01:44:51,909
body wise, but in the
terms of teachings and
1905
01:44:53,036 --> 01:44:58,000
the rituals and the the kind
of knowledge which is trapped
1906
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,627
and and wasn't
spoken about or wasn't
1907
01:45:01,627 --> 01:45:04,463
written down on papers
and, you know, scientific
1908
01:45:04,463 --> 01:45:08,010
and things, whether people
where it's it's you know
1909
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:11,887
the environment
of the circus family allowed them
1910
01:45:11,887 --> 01:45:15,975
to reach a level which you
get with kind of modern science
1911
01:45:15,975 --> 01:45:19,395
or something like that.
I mean they're like the
1912
01:45:19,395 --> 01:45:23,317
the kind of family circus thing
is definitely decreased in
1913
01:45:23,317 --> 01:45:27,863
in size, that's for sure. Like,
there's not that many of
1914
01:45:27,863 --> 01:45:33,159
like that do that because I mean,
it used to be a much bigger deal
1915
01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:36,579
and it used to be a thing
where like I mean if you look,
1916
01:45:36,579 --> 01:45:38,372
you just need to look
for old circus photos
1917
01:45:38,372 --> 01:45:41,208
and you think find crazy things
that like basically no one
1918
01:45:41,208 --> 01:45:44,003
is replicating nowadays
outside of like maybe Chinese
1919
01:45:44,003 --> 01:45:52,304
circus artists. But so
that thing as a as being in fact
1920
01:45:52,304 --> 01:45:54,514
definitely smaller.
I know there are circus
1921
01:45:54,514 --> 01:45:57,684
and I know there are like
circus families that have like
1922
01:45:57,684 --> 01:45:59,353
big traditions on
like teaching there
1923
01:45:59,353 --> 01:46:03,481
and their children
and that just like this is their,
1924
01:46:03,481 --> 01:46:08,028
their thing and their culture
and so on. But it's, I think it's
1925
01:46:08,028 --> 01:46:11,907
definitely smaller
in scope and in size
1926
01:46:11,907 --> 01:46:16,787
and also just to the business
having changed a whole lot.
1927
01:46:16,787 --> 01:46:20,332
And of course, like with
this, like
1928
01:46:20,332 --> 01:46:23,835
there was a major shift
just from like it's things
1929
01:46:23,835 --> 01:46:26,212
to seen the theatre
when when the cinema
1930
01:46:26,212 --> 01:46:30,466
came for example, suddenly the
wants want to see the cinema
1931
01:46:30,466 --> 01:46:34,845
and then that turning into kind
of completely popular culture
1932
01:46:34,845 --> 01:46:39,434
and so on
and, and I think, I mean I think
1933
01:46:39,434 --> 01:46:45,524
all of the feats are
technically repeatable and you do
1934
01:46:45,524 --> 01:46:48,275
have the Chinese circus schools
nowadays
1935
01:46:48,275 --> 01:46:54,365
that are still doing like
that type of circus
1936
01:46:54,365 --> 01:46:58,869
just absolutely busted. And I
continuously see things
1937
01:46:58,869 --> 01:47:00,831
when I just see
random clips from,
1938
01:47:00,831 --> 01:47:03,166
from Chinese acrobats
there it is like, whoa,
1939
01:47:03,166 --> 01:47:06,336
what the hell is this? Yeah,
where do you find them?
1940
01:47:06,336 --> 01:47:09,463
Is that by Instagram or.
No, there is actually
1941
01:47:09,463 --> 01:47:11,632
an Instagram just called
Chinese Circus, I think,
1942
01:47:11,632 --> 01:47:14,427
which just has a bunch
of like random clips that were
1943
01:47:14,427 --> 01:47:18,265
also it's
completely bonkers stuff.
1944
01:47:18,265 --> 01:47:22,560
A lot of it. You don't really see
that much because of the
1945
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,354
like I think they
mainly perform in China.
1946
01:47:25,354 --> 01:47:29,400
They I mean, sometimes they come
to international circus festivals
1947
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:36,158
and they have and
like, like the individual
1948
01:47:36,158 --> 01:47:41,412
artist is not like kind of
mentioned as much like it's rare,
1949
01:47:41,412 --> 01:47:45,876
more rare that you see
like a profile specific one.
1950
01:47:45,876 --> 01:47:49,212
But like, I often like either
I see like pictures
1951
01:47:49,212 --> 01:47:53,257
or random videos
or stuff and usually what is
1952
01:47:53,257 --> 01:47:57,345
this like one of my
favourite pictures is like,
1953
01:47:57,345 --> 01:48:01,182
you know, on Chinese pole
or basically like
1954
01:48:01,182 --> 01:48:03,476
or you can do it on like
a human fly, you know,
1955
01:48:03,476 --> 01:48:06,104
when you're like in the kind of a
handstand on a pole
1956
01:48:06,104 --> 01:48:08,773
or like a human flag,
but you're upside down
1957
01:48:08,773 --> 01:48:10,900
and your legs are straight in
the air, right?
1958
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:13,028
So your arms supporting
you like a flag, but you're
1959
01:48:13,028 --> 01:48:16,489
you're entirely vertical.
There is a picture
1960
01:48:16,489 --> 01:48:20,202
on a Chinese pole.
There's a guy doing that.
1961
01:48:20,202 --> 01:48:23,454
How many people is on top of him
I think there's four people
1962
01:48:23,454 --> 01:48:27,958
on top of him. So like someone
is standing on his feet.
1963
01:48:27,958 --> 01:48:35,216
There is a four man high standing
on his feet. So it is it is so
1964
01:48:35,216 --> 01:48:39,011
absolutely absurd that he's
I think they're they're likely
1965
01:48:39,011 --> 01:48:42,306
quite small people because you
probably don't not don't want
1966
01:48:42,306 --> 01:48:44,684
to break in
by the first performance.
1967
01:48:44,684 --> 01:48:48,020
But Jesus Christ, it's
just it's impossible.
1968
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:49,939
It is not like
I've seen one person.
1969
01:48:49,939 --> 01:48:52,192
Yeah, that's that's
thinkable two people. Okay, then
1970
01:48:52,192 --> 01:48:53,984
it's like that's elite.
If I just saw two
1971
01:48:53,984 --> 01:48:56,654
people, I'd be like,
okay, this is next level.
1972
01:48:56,654 --> 01:48:58,323
Thinking about three.
I wouldn't think it.
1973
01:48:58,323 --> 01:49:03,161
Four. Come on. Come off
taking the mickey now. Yeah.
1974
01:49:03,161 --> 01:49:08,082
So that is like one example
or like there's this she's,
1975
01:49:08,082 --> 01:49:10,042
she's been going over
a little bit on Instagram.
1976
01:49:10,042 --> 01:49:13,796
I think probably in like the best
Chinese balancer of
1977
01:49:13,796 --> 01:49:23,139
I don't know where she is at but
some hand bouncer girl who I mean
1978
01:49:23,139 --> 01:49:25,891
she does all the things
of course, but there's
1979
01:49:25,891 --> 01:49:28,353
this one video of like
imagine like there is a
1980
01:49:28,353 --> 01:49:31,230
there is a platform
with one cane it but it's
1981
01:49:31,230 --> 01:49:34,400
it's kind of on
imagine a little round platform
1982
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,779
that's attached to in
to kind of like a long steel beam
1983
01:49:37,779 --> 01:49:41,365
that moves in a circle
So kind of like my arm is
1984
01:49:41,365 --> 01:49:42,908
sort of like it moves up,
you know, kind of a
1985
01:49:42,908 --> 01:49:44,536
horizontal plane
and a big circle.
1986
01:49:44,536 --> 01:49:47,497
I think like it's a
I think it's a paddle on a bike
1987
01:49:47,497 --> 01:49:51,126
kind of in that direction. Yeah.
On this one cane and this thing
1988
01:49:51,126 --> 01:49:53,168
is continuously moving.
And then she does
1989
01:49:53,168 --> 01:49:56,006
like legs together,
one arm switches without even
1990
01:49:56,006 --> 01:49:58,632
kicking her legs and she's
just like 20 in a row
1991
01:49:58,632 --> 01:50:02,345
while this thing moving around
is pretty high up there.
1992
01:50:02,345 --> 01:50:04,972
And then she, they also have
this massive contraption
1993
01:50:04,972 --> 01:50:07,934
in their act at the end of it,
which is basically like
1994
01:50:07,934 --> 01:50:12,229
a vertical wheel
with tons of tiny, tiny canes
1995
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:15,149
around the entire wheel.
She's in a one arm.
1996
01:50:15,149 --> 01:50:18,319
The wheel starts spinning
and she just side hops
1997
01:50:18,319 --> 01:50:19,988
along, which.
Think I've seen that one.
1998
01:50:19,988 --> 01:50:24,367
Yeah, yeah. So she's like
this, who came up with this?
1999
01:50:24,367 --> 01:50:27,453
It just also apparently has
like the world record
2000
01:50:27,453 --> 01:50:29,831
in full launch practice.
I think she has a clip
2001
01:50:29,831 --> 01:50:32,833
where she does
18 in a row or something
2002
01:50:32,833 --> 01:50:36,671
very often, you know, like
who would have thought
2003
01:50:36,671 --> 01:50:40,091
that this crop is that if
they're just. Straight up
2004
01:50:40,091 --> 01:50:44,136
modifying old
torture devices and. Can.
2005
01:50:44,136 --> 01:50:48,766
I can I handstand. On this?
That's what you can get.
2006
01:50:48,766 --> 01:50:51,728
Of course, when you have like
the peak training
2007
01:50:51,728 --> 01:50:55,439
facilities, peak
coaches, peak power.
2008
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:59,069
And peak population to. Yeah.
Just to pick from you.
2009
01:50:59,069 --> 01:51:02,655
Know, extreme. The wrong process.
Teaching method all these were
2010
01:51:02,655 --> 01:51:06,701
basically you
that's how you become the best.
2011
01:51:06,701 --> 01:51:10,747
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Um, before we finish up, man,
2012
01:51:10,747 --> 01:51:14,250
I just wanted to ask about,
like, rabbit holes.
2013
01:51:14,250 --> 01:51:17,045
Have you been down any,
any fun rabbit holes recently?
2014
01:51:17,045 --> 01:51:18,587
I know you like
to get into things like
2015
01:51:18,587 --> 01:51:23,467
Speedrunning Roddy Mullan.
Any anything that's caught
2016
01:51:23,467 --> 01:51:29,224
your attention recently? Uh,
let me think what I've been like.
2017
01:51:29,224 --> 01:51:34,061
Let me just go to my
YouTube and see, like, Oh, no,
2018
01:51:34,061 --> 01:51:38,817
we have been lately.
That's the only. Yeah.
2019
01:51:38,817 --> 01:51:40,694
I found this one.
You might be interested in it.
2020
01:51:40,694 --> 01:51:43,154
It's called a micro mouse.
What is it? And it's.
2021
01:51:43,154 --> 01:51:47,158
Basically the. Robotics
when it was first,
2022
01:51:47,158 --> 01:51:49,243
people were first
starting to realise like,
2023
01:51:49,243 --> 01:51:51,787
oh, we can use computer chips
and we can put them on
2024
01:51:51,787 --> 01:51:55,207
physical things and make robots.
And it was this competition
2025
01:51:55,207 --> 01:51:58,837
where you'd have a, a maze.
It would be the, I don't know,
2026
01:51:58,837 --> 01:52:02,006
like two by two or three by three
made a table or
2027
01:52:02,006 --> 01:52:04,926
something like that
and you would have to
2028
01:52:04,926 --> 01:52:07,970
just put your mouse, your mouse.
And there were these
2029
01:52:07,970 --> 01:52:10,931
kind of big clunky
things, ten centimetres,
2030
01:52:10,931 --> 01:52:13,016
20 centimetres by 20
centimetres robots,
2031
01:52:13,016 --> 01:52:15,603
and they would have to try
and get to the of the maze
2032
01:52:15,603 --> 01:52:19,274
as quickly as possible.
And you couldn't touch it.
2033
01:52:19,274 --> 01:52:22,902
You could only pre-program it
with rules, you know, go forward
2034
01:52:22,902 --> 01:52:25,947
if you hit a wall, turn right,
if you do this way, do this.
2035
01:52:25,947 --> 01:52:28,699
And you have to of course,
this is when like algorithms
2036
01:52:28,699 --> 01:52:33,704
start coming into it and
they start creating heuristics
2037
01:52:33,704 --> 01:52:37,125
and it's really fascinating
watching the evolution of these
2038
01:52:37,125 --> 01:52:41,755
big clunky machines to these
like tiny ten centimetre
2039
01:52:41,755 --> 01:52:45,632
by ten now and like
two centimetres is robots,
2040
01:52:45,632 --> 01:52:48,927
which they have to use vacuuming
to suck them to the floor
2041
01:52:48,927 --> 01:52:52,599
because they can go so fast
around corners that they're just
2042
01:52:52,599 --> 01:52:56,351
like literally zipping
through. Fascinating man.
2043
01:52:56,351 --> 01:52:59,189
I just got caught into
the same was like, Holy crap,
2044
01:52:59,189 --> 01:53:03,318
this is amazing. Yeah. Like,
I just, I just ended up
2045
01:53:03,318 --> 01:53:07,322
like, looking at, like a lot of
random stuff and then like,
2046
01:53:07,322 --> 01:53:12,034
fall into rabbit holes.
And due to that,
2047
01:53:13,161 --> 01:53:16,122
I one of them enough
to seen that before.
2048
01:53:16,122 --> 01:53:20,502
But I sent it to a friend for fun
and then I just started
2049
01:53:20,502 --> 01:53:23,171
getting videos about it
of course because of the
2050
01:53:23,171 --> 01:53:25,923
like the algorithm stuff
that is hobby seeing if you know,
2051
01:53:25,923 --> 01:53:30,845
I know what be harder things
and really weird. I think it's a
2052
01:53:30,845 --> 01:53:35,432
Finnish concept,
so it's basically for teenagers.
2053
01:53:35,432 --> 01:53:40,020
So it's basically like,
you know, like kind of
2054
01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:42,148
you'd imagine it's
from like 100 years ago,
2055
01:53:42,148 --> 01:53:43,774
there's a stick with a horse
shadow on it,
2056
01:53:43,774 --> 01:53:45,734
and then you pretend
to run rider on the horse
2057
01:53:45,734 --> 01:53:47,737
when you were a child.
Yeah, yeah. So there are
2058
01:53:47,737 --> 01:53:50,405
entire competitions of this
where you kind of like you run
2059
01:53:50,405 --> 01:53:53,952
with like a horse stick
between your legs
2060
01:53:53,952 --> 01:53:56,621
and you kind of gallop
like a horse, and then you jump
2061
01:53:56,621 --> 01:54:02,585
across the obstacle. Nice,
because there's like Paco, but.
2062
01:54:02,585 --> 01:54:06,046
Not even like, is it?
It's all kind of shit.
2063
01:54:06,046 --> 01:54:08,466
Like because like they, I guess
it's for children,
2064
01:54:08,466 --> 01:54:10,844
I guess they love it.
It's like kind of the,
2065
01:54:12,345 --> 01:54:14,471
the stereotype of the
horse girl that maybe,
2066
01:54:14,471 --> 01:54:17,015
maybe loves to do this
sort of things, but it's
2067
01:54:17,015 --> 01:54:19,726
it's a thing in Finland
and it's like it's not just like
2068
01:54:19,726 --> 01:54:21,895
a few people that do it,
the other competitions
2069
01:54:21,895 --> 01:54:23,730
and meetups and stuff,
and they all come
2070
01:54:23,730 --> 01:54:26,943
with like their stick
with a horse head on and like
2071
01:54:26,943 --> 01:54:28,862
they have dressed it up and stuff
and then like
2072
01:54:28,862 --> 01:54:31,573
they run around the arena
and they jump across things
2073
01:54:31,573 --> 01:54:35,158
and it's just like, Whoa.
Yeah, okay, gotcha. Yeah. So it's
2074
01:54:35,158 --> 01:54:37,203
sort of like a sport
as well. Yeah, there's.
2075
01:54:37,203 --> 01:54:40,873
There's a money going into this.
I find as big money
2076
01:54:40,873 --> 01:54:43,667
in this sense. Well,
I guess another
2077
01:54:43,667 --> 01:54:45,920
not another rabbit hole
I'm going into lately.
2078
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,841
It's just like various colours.
I'm trying learning how to colour
2079
01:54:49,841 --> 01:54:53,051
origami papers. So basically half
my apartment is just like
2080
01:54:53,051 --> 01:54:55,721
an origami laboratory
now with like. Yeah,
2081
01:54:55,721 --> 01:54:58,765
that was one on the top left.
I think that of your
2082
01:54:58,765 --> 01:55:01,810
the a video that. Oh yeah. Yeah.
There's a couple of there
2083
01:55:01,810 --> 01:55:04,479
and I have like
this is a new project
2084
01:55:04,479 --> 01:55:09,359
that I have going on so but yeah.
You started
2085
01:55:09,359 --> 01:55:12,070
origami as a kid right. Yeah.
I've been doing that
2086
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:14,698
for a long time. Yeah.
I just folded like any kid,
2087
01:55:14,698 --> 01:55:16,951
but then I continue
to do bit in my teens.
2088
01:55:16,951 --> 01:55:20,246
And then around 19,
I bought like an advanced book.
2089
01:55:20,246 --> 01:55:23,416
And then later on,
I just got into doing more,
2090
01:55:23,416 --> 01:55:26,085
more actual complex stuff.
And then I began designing
2091
01:55:26,085 --> 01:55:28,880
my own last year,
and that's taking off completely.
2092
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:32,675
So now it's like I'm trying out
like some of the colours over
2093
01:55:32,675 --> 01:55:35,677
there are for dyeing clothes,
some are like acrylic ink,
2094
01:55:35,677 --> 01:55:38,805
some are watercolour inks,
somewhat like alcohol
2095
01:55:38,805 --> 01:55:40,725
based colours,
some are like methanol
2096
01:55:40,725 --> 01:55:43,895
based colours. And I'm trying to
find the best way
2097
01:55:43,895 --> 01:55:46,480
to colour to pay for the best
possible way.
2098
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:51,402
So it is in this project.
It is awesome. Yeah.
2099
01:55:51,402 --> 01:55:53,695
I'm just passing
like hundreds of euros
2100
01:55:53,695 --> 01:55:57,908
and colours. I would probably
never use it, but it's great.
2101
01:55:57,908 --> 01:55:59,534
So I have.
People think you're like
2102
01:55:59,534 --> 01:56:00,994
creating like a myth
then or something
2103
01:56:00,994 --> 01:56:03,288
and you're like, No, no, no.
It's just colours. Like it's
2104
01:56:03,288 --> 01:56:06,250
probably better if.
It's just a myth. Then it's more
2105
01:56:06,250 --> 01:56:12,756
socially acceptable. What?
Yeah, My final. Question is, so,
2106
01:56:12,756 --> 01:56:14,634
you know, if you,
if you are starting
2107
01:56:14,634 --> 01:56:17,011
to do less hand standing stuff
and you're talking about,
2108
01:56:17,011 --> 01:56:20,139
you know, the obsession and,
and really getting into
2109
01:56:20,139 --> 01:56:22,475
these sorts of things,
do you think they'll be
2110
01:56:22,475 --> 01:56:24,394
something else that'll crop
up in your life
2111
01:56:24,394 --> 01:56:29,649
that will eventually consume you
as much as is hand balancing does
2112
01:56:29,649 --> 01:56:32,734
does as has Emmett
tried to get you into like
2113
01:56:32,734 --> 01:56:36,405
the jungle culture? And.
You know, I would say that
2114
01:56:36,405 --> 01:56:42,119
right now origami does that like
yeah by far I'm more almost like
2115
01:56:42,119 --> 01:56:47,082
or not more but equally much like
since in September last year
2116
01:56:47,082 --> 01:56:49,335
I've decided how many models one,
two, three, four,
2117
01:56:49,335 --> 01:56:51,421
five, six, seven, eight,
nine, ten, 11, 12,
2118
01:56:51,421 --> 01:56:57,010
13, 14, 17, 18, 19.
Models so designed
2119
01:56:57,010 --> 01:57:00,137
since September
of like high complexity
2120
01:57:00,137 --> 01:57:06,144
and very young. Fantastic. So
I'm I'm really really
2121
01:57:06,144 --> 01:57:08,186
into that and that's
that's the colouring
2122
01:57:08,186 --> 01:57:10,105
of the papers
and like paper types
2123
01:57:10,105 --> 01:57:14,359
and so that like just became
like a huge obsession and I
2124
01:57:14,359 --> 01:57:15,987
it's not really something
that competes
2125
01:57:15,987 --> 01:57:19,448
with attention with like
and single training out for sure.
2126
01:57:19,448 --> 01:57:22,409
Me like always interested
in staying physically active.
2127
01:57:22,409 --> 01:57:25,121
I really like basically
the training and all
2128
01:57:25,121 --> 01:57:27,497
that is just like
kind of a ritual for me
2129
01:57:27,497 --> 01:57:30,960
that is very important in my life
and feels really nice to do
2130
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,671
and like it
just contributes to me
2131
01:57:33,671 --> 01:57:41,136
having a good time. I'd say
so, but yeah, I do like
2132
01:57:41,136 --> 01:57:47,560
fascinating things and, but yeah,
being physically active
2133
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,395
and I guess like I'm definitely
not stopping. I'm balancing
2134
01:57:50,395 --> 01:57:53,315
anytime soon on
or perhaps ever just
2135
01:57:53,315 --> 01:57:56,735
it's, it's, it's nice nice to do
and I have some part of my
2136
01:57:56,735 --> 01:57:58,154
even though
it doesn't always need to
2137
01:57:58,154 --> 01:58:01,282
kind of be the main focus. Yeah.
Do you reckon
2138
01:58:01,282 --> 01:58:03,618
you could burn out with
origami like, you know
2139
01:58:03,618 --> 01:58:08,038
your fingers are bleeding,
you get a thing.
2140
01:58:08,914 --> 01:58:14,753
So I mean, like, I guess.
Yes, it's like, um, one thing
2141
01:58:14,753 --> 01:58:17,798
if like is, if you're only full,
if you're folding only you're not
2142
01:58:17,798 --> 01:58:21,886
like you're looking for a new
model to fold and then like,
2143
01:58:21,886 --> 01:58:24,305
you might be like bored or not
find any interesting ones.
2144
01:58:24,305 --> 01:58:26,265
But the cool
thing about designing
2145
01:58:26,265 --> 01:58:28,810
my own is that like,
like, for example,
2146
01:58:28,810 --> 01:58:31,270
this follow thing
I showed you right here is like,
2147
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:34,940
this is like this is it is
it is extremely specific
2148
01:58:34,940 --> 01:58:37,068
and it's like it's the expression
of an idea.
2149
01:58:37,068 --> 01:58:41,823
I had an idea of like,
can I fold? Not subject.
2150
01:58:41,823 --> 01:58:46,118
Yes, maybe. How do I go?
How do I go about it?
2151
01:58:46,118 --> 01:58:49,704
What's the size of the paper?
How big of a grids do I need?
2152
01:58:49,704 --> 01:58:52,917
How can I get all of the details
or even all the details possible
2153
01:58:52,917 --> 01:58:54,877
to make on a sheet?
What will that
2154
01:58:54,877 --> 01:58:57,462
what kind of colour
do I want it to have? Like,
2155
01:58:57,462 --> 01:58:59,590
how do I want it
to express that It's
2156
01:58:59,590 --> 01:59:02,385
then it's like it's a huge
kind of process of thinking.
2157
01:59:02,385 --> 01:59:06,639
So many like various
interesting parameters in that.
2158
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:08,599
That's what makes it
really fascinating for me
2159
01:59:08,599 --> 01:59:11,601
that it's like
an all encompassing thing
2160
01:59:11,601 --> 01:59:14,564
where you, where you, where you,
you start the process
2161
01:59:14,564 --> 01:59:18,734
by choosing the type
of paper and colours and so on.
2162
01:59:18,734 --> 01:59:21,820
And then all the way into kind of
the detailing of it. Whereas
2163
01:59:21,820 --> 01:59:24,073
if you're basically folding
like a semi complex
2164
01:59:24,073 --> 01:59:26,617
model, you're like,
I take the sheet they have,
2165
01:59:26,617 --> 01:59:29,203
let's see if I can figure out
how they're,
2166
01:59:29,203 --> 01:59:33,416
how the designer has, has done
the folding procedure.
2167
01:59:33,416 --> 01:59:35,083
But when you
start from the bottom,
2168
01:59:35,083 --> 01:59:36,711
this is much more kind
of rewarding and
2169
01:59:36,711 --> 01:59:39,838
interesting, I think.
Yeah, we'll check in
2170
01:59:39,838 --> 01:59:43,717
in seven years time
and I feel like it wasn't helpful
2171
01:59:43,717 --> 01:59:48,764
designing a model once a week,
52 weeks a year. They thought.
2172
01:59:48,764 --> 01:59:53,560
Maybe I should. Have chilled out.
Yeah. Yeah, for. So. Did Mikael.
2173
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,479
Thanks so much for your time.
And I really, really did
2174
01:59:55,479 --> 01:59:58,274
enjoy this.
Just if there's anywhere
2175
01:59:58,274 --> 02:00:00,109
that you wanted to add,
did you have any
2176
02:00:00,109 --> 02:00:01,944
questions for me? Actually,
is there anything you want
2177
02:00:01,944 --> 02:00:06,865
to ask me? And yeah, there was
maybe a little bit
2178
02:00:06,865 --> 02:00:08,408
late in the book.
I have to ask you,
2179
02:00:08,408 --> 02:00:11,621
like loads of questions.
No, but yeah. How did you get
2180
02:00:11,621 --> 02:00:16,125
into all this? Maybe so, Yes.
The hand. Balancing.
2181
02:00:16,125 --> 02:00:23,423
In particular, I suppose, was. I.
Did so as I was saying,
2182
02:00:23,423 --> 02:00:25,509
like before I was
I was really scrawny
2183
02:00:25,509 --> 02:00:30,055
and weak and playing
soccer didn't like help that
2184
02:00:30,055 --> 02:00:34,769
it made me scrawny
and fit I guess. But I always had
2185
02:00:34,769 --> 02:00:38,439
some like body issues. And so
I joined the gym when I was 20
2186
02:00:38,439 --> 02:00:41,317
and I actually did a
fair bit of yoga
2187
02:00:41,317 --> 02:00:44,444
at the same time, which was
how I kind of got
2188
02:00:44,444 --> 02:00:48,032
accidentally good at compression
without it being something
2189
02:00:48,032 --> 02:00:51,118
I was really working on.
It was just I just was doing
2190
02:00:51,118 --> 02:00:54,997
a lot of yoga. So I did gym
for a couple of years,
2191
02:00:54,997 --> 02:00:57,917
realised like
this isn't really for me.
2192
02:00:57,917 --> 02:00:59,460
Moved into
more callisthenics stuff.
2193
02:00:59,460 --> 02:01:03,338
And then I actually
what really drove me was
2194
02:01:03,338 --> 02:01:04,798
I was planning
on a big trip across
2195
02:01:04,798 --> 02:01:09,636
Latin America and I wanted to
keep exercising, but you know,
2196
02:01:09,636 --> 02:01:12,014
I had gymnastics rings
that I could take with me,
2197
02:01:12,014 --> 02:01:14,557
but it was like it
meant handstands are great.
2198
02:01:14,557 --> 02:01:17,435
You can do them anywhere.
And so, yeah,
2199
02:01:17,435 --> 02:01:20,189
I kind of pick them up
and started getting into them.
2200
02:01:20,189 --> 02:01:25,735
And I had seen that Cirque
du Soleil show before this, but
2201
02:01:25,735 --> 02:01:27,570
and I remember there was a
one armed dude on
2202
02:01:27,570 --> 02:01:31,199
this big cage thing was the
one of the African Cirque
2203
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,536
du Soleil is I can't remember
what it was called.
2204
02:01:33,536 --> 02:01:37,664
And I remember seeing him and
it was impressive. It was really,
2205
02:01:37,664 --> 02:01:41,918
really cool. But it didn't
strike me as. Like.
2206
02:01:41,918 --> 02:01:45,088
Wow, I need to do that
or anything like that.
2207
02:01:45,088 --> 02:01:48,759
But then one day
here in Brisbane, probably
2208
02:01:48,759 --> 02:01:50,845
it was during COVID,
so it's was probably two
2209
02:01:50,845 --> 02:01:53,514
and a bit years ago
I just went to my local
2210
02:01:53,514 --> 02:01:54,890
Callisthenics park,
which is where
2211
02:01:54,890 --> 02:01:57,935
I went to do handstands,
and this random dude showed up
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and I was just
like chatting with him. And then
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he started doing handstands.
I was like, Oh, this guy's
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pretty flexible, Oh, this guy's
pretty good.
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And he's like, Oh, yeah,
Miguel Santana. And then I was
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I was just like, watching him
do a one arm. And it was that,
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you know, like I was talking
about the isometric that just,
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just dead still. And he was just
doing his warmups, you know,
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one minute on one arm,
one minute on the other.
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And I just went like,
fuck me, I need to do
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this is a coalition it out.
So yeah, that that's, that's
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what really, really
kind of inspired me
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to be like, Yeah. Okay. This is
I'm willing to spend
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a lot of time trying to get big.
That's good. Good place to end.
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What do you what do you want
to direct? People, my friends,
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What if people are
more interested in enhanced
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or if they want to know?
I don't know. Do you
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do you have like a page
for origami as well?
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I know. That's the.
Acronym. Yeah. That's like the
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motto on Soul. Soul folder
is the name of that one.
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Maybe put your up for them
in the description. Yeah.
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I'll put some links. Yeah.
Yeah. Mine. Michael Balancing
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and the handstand factory.
Of course, if you're interested
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in any of our coaching material,
including me
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and the Emmett Lewis.
So yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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And then if you like
Michael in podcast form,
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there's the handstand
cost as well. So I would
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highly recommend that of um,
it was good preparation for,
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for, for, for this.
I've definitely listened
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to hundreds of hours of
you here already,
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which is why I know
you're witnesses now. I guess.
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Kyri: Welcome Mere Mortalites to
another round
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of the conversations. Recently
I had a chat with Mikael
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Kristiansen who is a
professional level hand balancer
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working in the circus,
as well as the other
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half of the handstand
factory, a company brand service
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designed to help you
learn handstands. As we found in
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Conversation number
82 with Emmett Louis,
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if you want more of the teaching
side of things
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in this conversation, we focus on
a couple of aspects
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this being performance,
what it is like to be
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a circus artist, the pressure,
the obsession, all of the things
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that go on behind the scenes.
We also talked about training,
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what it is like to learn
the one arm handstand, specific
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injury management,
and even I guess
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the psychological aspects
of what it takes
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to get to a really,
really high level
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before ending up
with a couple of funny
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little rabbit holes
that we like to go down,
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talk about origami
and things like that.
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So I really do hope you enjoy
this conversation.
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And here it is. Mikael. Dude,
I wanted to start off
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with maybe around
performances, so
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would you be able to give
a quick breakdown of
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just like what you've done
over the years,
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the kind of types of
performative work you've done?
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Companies even like the sizes
of crowds and things you've
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you've kind of performed
in front of? Yeah, sure. Yes.
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I assume you mean like
stage work, like. Yeah, yeah,
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like the second circus or I guess
you know, even what you're doing
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with followed.
I don't know if that's
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considered circus.
Yeah, definitely. So let's see,
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I was doing something
like a little bit
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of a smaller performances
with my friends when I was doing
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breakdancing on the back
a million years ago.
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But that was never, never like
kind of a big deal.
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So when I got into Circus
like, and especially after
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I finished Circus school in 2012,
I went straight on to perform
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with Seven Fingers.
If you heard them, I Canadian
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Circus Company, one of the
I guess more prominent ones
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within contemporary
circus was really lucky
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got out of school and Mike
there was a guy who I knew
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who was basically contacted
by them to be to be in
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one of their shows.
He couldn't do it.
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So and then he had seen
my kind of final performance
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for the school
and he's like, Yeah,
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he's pretty good. So he sent them
eye contact and
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I went performing with them.
And then after that I,
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I went basically came home
from the tour with them and
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there was a show here in Sweden
by a company called
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Circus Theatre, which is a
I guess, Scandinavia's
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largest circus company.
And they needed
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a replacement for a guy
who was basically
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quitting circus. And they got in
touch with me and I
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started performing that.
That was like 2013.
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That is like a pretty
also kind of a pretty
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or both of those shows
with seven fingers,
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two shows called See,
and this other one was called
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it's called Knitting Peace.
And both of them are kind of
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like pretty large sized
shows that play in in
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in theatre venues
for the most part.
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And how many type of
how many people would work
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on a show like that. And so
you'd have all the performers
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and then there'd be
all that kind of
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background stuff, right? Yeah.
So with CBC had a
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really big set up and a lot of
people on stage
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think we were 11 on stage
and then you had light
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and sound effects.
You had some like, like you
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had a stage technician,
maybe you were like
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15 people on tour with not one
and one had a two day setup
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and for the most part
in theatres, while the other one
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knitting piece that has
had 11 people on tour for them
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for the majority
of the time and and
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yeah, that one I play ended up
playing for many years.
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I played that one
between 2013 and 2016
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and I played it
like almost 300 times
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during that period.
So all over Europe,
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South America,
we were in the U.S.
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a couple of times,
just very short runs there.
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But no, not one time.
And that one I played like a lot.
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Then that show was
actually resurrected like one
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and a half years ago.
So I've been playing that one
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this year as well and it's been
a little bit of a weird blast
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from the past playing a show
from like ten years ago
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and doing the same things
as I did ten years ago. So than
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that is on a lot of like smaller
deeds, of course, like just
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one off performances or
like being part of
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like more smaller,
like artistic projects where
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I'm like one thing that's quite
nice in Scandinavia is that
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there is like pretty decent
funding for smaller
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stage art projects. So like
if you have the project
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or like that, the shows that
I just talked about, our
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like large corporations,
like it costs a lot to create
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one of those shows. And like,
I mean it's, it's,
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you need like a big began
to be cast and you need
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a lot of the people
selling it and whatever
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while these smaller projects
are more sort of
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individual artists or smaller
groups can make if you have
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a good project and you knew how
to write applications,
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you can get kind of
the funding for
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doing your own projects,
which is really cool. And as
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I've done a bunch of
those kind of things
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with friends and stuff,
there is this one
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show for children that I made
that we made or sells me
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in to friends in Norway
and we made that one
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with the specific goal
of touring in schools.
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So I played that one
also like a couple
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of hundred times. And it's
kind of a cute, short,
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quite interesting show
actually for four kids.
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Then I created the show Valve,
which is it's the valve
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means for us in German.
And with basically that
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I applied, I applied
for money in Sweden
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to create the show with basically
only have our only hand balancers
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with kind of the premise of
of trying to push the art form
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in a direction it hasn't really
gone before. And that's together
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with five friends of mine
who are all professional high
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balancers and really
interesting people. And that one
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we played a couple of times
some years ago with that one
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had like a rough time with COVID
to be premiered. Yes. Yes.
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That was going. Yes,
but yeah, done a lot of different
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stuff. I mean, crowd size,
I don't know, like, I guess
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it's rare that theatres
have a capacity of over
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a thousand people. I think
when I played in Uruguay
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and they had that kind of like
they were overwhelmed with,
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with knitting beats,
but I'm not sure, like what's
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the biggest crowd?
But I sent several
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hundreds of these.
I put 100 people.
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Yeah, it's quite common.
Yeah, I was, I was just trying
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to imagine. So I went to Cirque
du Soleil just many a year.
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I got here in Australia,
in Brisbane and yeah, I think
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it would have been, Yeah.
In the hundreds.
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I guess you just wouldn't
be able to have real circus acts
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which are, are there any
which are done in a kind of
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a circular stage so that you can
kind of fit people
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in or in and all around
sort of like a
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in the middle of a sports
venue or. Something
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and they're used
I mean that was the,
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the original circus
was like that. Like, yeah, right.
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There's a little
bit of debate where that,
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where that where the word comes
from. But like, I think
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some people relate
to the word circle and like the,
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the old Roman theatres
being like circles
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or semi circles and so, and like,
I mean a lot of the
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traditional circus,
even even now, they still use
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like circular tents
because you can see
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a lot more people and the entire
kind of style of that type
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of circus fits very well
for a secular audience
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and then you have some venues
that are semi-circular, and
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that's also usually tent spaces.
But for the most part,
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most of the sort of
newer, like you call it,
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contemporary circus uses
more like stage venues
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because of the like being able
to tour in, in,
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in regular theatres.
So for example, with,
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with both of these two
bigger shows I worked in
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for years, it's it's basically
in the same venues
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where you'd have
the theatre plays music
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like concerts
and dance performances, etc.,
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so that like you basically have
like a frontal stage
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and that also is like
touring in venues
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like that is practical
because you only need to bring
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a certain amount of gear
because the theatre has like
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there is a P.A.
system, there is this, there is a
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that there is rigging points.
They have like
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the infrastructure,
too easy to easily enough
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set up these shows
and then setting them up is often
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complicated enough that this.
Yeah, it's it's always funny
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like looking
at those things because. It.
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When you think of theatre and art
and the circus,
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I kind of think of unbranded
unbounded creativity.
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You can kind of do
whatever you want, but it's
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got to be entertaining obviously.
But then there is
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just so many technical
constraints in terms of the stage
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size and the, you know what,
what will look good in
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front of an audience as well.
You've talked about that
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many a time with them, with Emma
on the handstand cost.
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And so it is is funny
kind of seeing those things
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and just
trying to see like what's
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behind the scenes of that goes
into a lot of the stuff. Yeah.
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Yeah it's, it's very it's
very, it's very the kind
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of particular in the
way that you need to,
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especially when creating stuff
like when we made available
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for example, which we
basically made ourselves
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and instead of having a director
we recreated
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the material ourselves
and then we had
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basically what you, what we often
call an outside I as basically
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someone who comes in and looks
at what you do too, just so that
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you can get an idea of like,
are we capable
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or are we able to show
what we want in the scene
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or with the ID or how this flow
and so on. So
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but every time you work
with someone like
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because you work yourself
kind of into a bubble
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and you really think, okay, now
we're doing this, and here
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we're showing that
and then someone comes looks
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and they're like,
Oh, you know, I can't
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see what's going on here. Or for
example, with that show,
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we really notice that like
a two constraints, that
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that value really is like,
first of all, it's
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not a show that suits
any other type of stage.
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Then frontal Semi-Circle
really loses out on a lot of
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a lot of the images
are not strong from the
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from the side and the diagonal,
but they're strong
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from the front.
And we notice that
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if we can't play it
in a black box theatre, i.e.
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a room where you can turn off
all lights, it also loses
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out of a lot of
its kind of power. So we decided
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to not play the outside
and we have a lot of
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lot of requests
for outside shows, but it just
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it doesn't
doesn't convey the same
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because there is loads of
like we use loads of smoke
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and there's loads of these like
rather particular light settings
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that make a very great effect.
If you have, if the angle you
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see it from is correct
and you have you have the ability
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to light what you want
and nothing else.
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But yeah, so it's, it's really
these kind of things
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that you learn as you go along.
You kind of you,
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you understand that. Oh well I
probably won't really know how
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this is going to look or express
or be until you get someone
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to look at it. Basically.
Yeah, for sure.
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I've I've deluded myself
into thinking I was doing
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certain things in a handstand
in a position and, and it's like
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it feels like it's doing this,
but then you get out the
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the trustee camera and. You.
Get a dose of reality. Yeah.
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Um, I'm. Curious as to. The.
I suppose your originations
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in this kind of performance field
because for those who don't know,
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you had a background
in breakdancing and karate
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before you really started
getting into
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the professional hand
balancing and. I'm wondering like
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breakdancing. And karate, don't
strike me as particularly
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performative type
type of exercise, I guess
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breakdancing kind of. But
from what I remember, you weren't
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actually going to the
break battles. You were
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you were more in the the training
sort of scene. And so I'm
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just wondering, like, is hand
balancing is is is joining
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a circus kind of a
a side effect of you
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just really enjoying
and balancing. And so that's kind
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of where I draw draw you to
or there is actually a
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like a deep need in you to do
the kind of performance aspect.
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I mean, karate doesn't
really have the,
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like the depth of it. I think
I think what it does have
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I mean, you do kind of percent
your forms and stuff
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in front of the teacher,
in front of their,
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the other students and stuff,
which is I guess a little bit of
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sort of a performer
has a performative thing
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to it, but it's not that deep
breaking does have I mean,
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with the wind bottling
and all that like it has
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it definitely has that dimension.
I never like got that.
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Like I was never and I'll say
I never really
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went for that part.
On breaking so much. I wanted to
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I mean, I was like
12, was like 20,
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but I like it was just,
I don't know, like the character
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of breaking off
kind of like the battles
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and stuff. It's pretty,
it's pretty aggressive.
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It's pretty kind of a contest and
which I think is great.
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I can I can I can really enjoy
watching it,
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but it may be just wasn't
completely for me like that,
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that style or that
way of being when
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like in that kind of character,
you basically a persona.
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You take on. But
yeah, I think I wanted
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to perform. I think it was like a
little bit of that. I mean,
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I was pretty insecure as a kid
and I didn't like
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I was quite like I was very
non-physical, was very much
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I was like the kid in class
that didn't play football,
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sort of situation.
So I think I had like
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this kind of deep desire
to be a bit like, you know,
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fuck you guys and also
going to do something definitely.
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So it became kind of,
I don't know, I think it was a
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the definitely
some sort of way of like
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proving yourself
for that kind of thing
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that drove me
towards that direction
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And because, yeah,
I wanted to do the
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breaking thing too. But it's, it
kind of didn't really, didn't
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really stick there for me.
And then I, I was really good
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in my hands through breaking
and doing like a lot of the moves
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that I was learning there.
And then I ran into this hand
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monitoring guy from the States
and he taught me a bunch
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and I learned really fast
and I just thought, Hey,
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okay, I'm I'm pretty good
at this, right? This just works.
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And I loved doing it.
I was like always
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doing non-standard house
related stuff anyway.
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And then suddenly I had a purpose
for or like a further purpose
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for keeping doing is like, Hey,
I can make this into a living
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or I think
I can become structures.
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Whoa, this is so cool.
You know, like,
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it's really there. And I
applied to circus school
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because I,
like, I could basically
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have stayed in Norway and like,
been like kind of a big fish
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in a small aquarium
in the sense of like,
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I would probably be
the best on my hands
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in the country
at the time easily, and try
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to do some performances
and stuff. But I felt like
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I really wanted to not
be very like art, see how far
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I could push it.
So once I started school and then
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yeah, I saw quickly there too,
because the entire then a class
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I had very creative,
very experienced people who were
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like kind of the, the atmosphere
and kind of the in
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the class of mind
was very much about
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how can we create like our own
art with this? And everyone
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was pretty anarchist in the sense
that the guy, Yeah, yeah,
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we don't want to do it like this.
We want to do it our way.
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So it was very kind of
that became the culture in the,
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in, in the class, which I thought
was really cool
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and had to kind of
find my way of,
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of figuring this out.
I had no stage experience
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and so on. But yeah,
then it became really interesting
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and really fun and
very challenging, which, which
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I always appreciate it.
Yeah, sure. So it's intriguing.
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Like one of the best things
about getting older
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is actually being able
to look at your past self
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and kind of analyse
what was going on with them.
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So, so my background was I,
I was really interested
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in breakdancing as a kid,
but I never particularly
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did it that much, much like you.
I've, I was I did play sport.
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I played a lot of
soccer here in Australia,
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but I was always super insecure
because I was just the skinniest,
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skinniest, skinniest guy.
And I'm still pretty
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skinny nowadays, to be honest.
And it was funny
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looking back at like what drew me
into breakdancing wasn't the
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the kind of like flowing moves
or anything like that.
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I was obsessed with the phrases
how they do these just. Like.
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Crazy kamikaze phrases and,
and just stop in mid-air or stop
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in this crazy position. And same
with callisthenics.
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I used to look at.
It would be the
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human flag or something,
and that would just
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stand out to me as the most
craziest thing
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or plunge for a guys
just levitating
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off the ground. Even the.
Muscle. Ups are cool.
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But you know what's cool
in a muscle up, a slower muscle
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one where they're just
grinding this slow, slow thing.
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And so it was funny.
Yeah, yeah. Anti-gravity.
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And that's always kind of
what's drawn me in that
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just this isometric.
You just hold
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something so still or so. Yeah.
It's like you've
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conquered gravity
and it's, and it's had had like
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I guess when I look
at some of the things that I did
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that, you know, breakdancing
wouldn't have been for me either
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because I definitely don't have
that kind of
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confrontational persona.
But there was elements within it
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that I really like.
So, yeah, it's it's kind of cool
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seeing your evolution of,
you know, karate breakdancing.
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And I know you still do
elements of breakdancing
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now as well, but leading up
to kind of the thing that you
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you're really wanted to do
or I guess like it
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was the natural fit. Yeah yeah.
I mean I it,
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it wasn't a natural fit
I think in many ways. And I think
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that's also why I decide or like
not to say I just, I like it.
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Well, looking back at it,
it's like it's,
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it feels more like
I didn't have a choice.
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I have another choice.
And in one way, am like.
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Than this. So yeah.
Did you ever have
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any experiences of, you know, the
9 to 5 office life of you
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get a taste of that
and it's just. Like, no,
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I mean, I was like,
I started in uni before,
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before like going, going
circus school and stuff. So like,
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I guess I was sort of heading in
that direction,
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but I, it was like
my studying was a bit like it
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was more like dabbling
in something just, just to have
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something to do. So I was
studying anthropology
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and I thought that was
really interesting.
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But at the same time
I knew that I, I probably just
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wouldn't become an anthropology
artist at that time.
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And also just going to the
anthropology office
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and just seeing like a massive,
massive boxes of papers.
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And I was like,
This is what they do
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most, most of the time.
So enough to scare you off? Yeah.
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Yeah. And I mean,
I really enjoyed
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a lot of what that was
and what I was learning
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and stuff, but it maybe wasn't
like what I could see myself do
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kind of as a job. So
I mean, because I didn't,
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I didn't really
have many, like, long,
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I mean, when I was in uni
as well, just worked
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as kind of like,
what's it called?
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And I will say this
like a after school thing
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for children where like basically
they're there and. Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
I worked at one of those
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for like some months
and just to earn
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a little bit of money
when I was in school of teaching
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breakdancing to kids for like
that was like maybe the longest
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while during,
during my years in Oslo
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and when I was in circus
school in summers
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just to earn some money,
I was working as a like,
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furniture mover, just like
carrying shit up and down stairs.
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And for a really shady company,
I guess. But. But yeah. Well,
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what were you carrying? Like.
Violins full of. No, no,
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it was basically just like
the company was basically
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like the guy who I look,
one of my colleagues,
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he was just like working there
part time at the time, just like
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coming in
sometimes to to help out.
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He used to be the owner
of the company, and he had sold
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himself out because he said like
like basically everyone worked.
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How was it at I think
the company only or basically
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there was twice as much money
running through the company
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as they said to the authorities.
So every person
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work 50% off the right
off the books.
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So everyone got like
half their salary,
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like taxed money
through the state
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and half in cash. And so
he basically told them was,
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yeah, you know, if,
if the tax authorities come, it's
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just to burn down
the entire place and
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flee the country that
I understand why you kind of
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just pieced out from this thing.
It was pretty shady. I like
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I felt like I was in detail one
one time, like I came to pick up
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my salary from this. Like,
the boss was also like,
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a nice guy, but he seemed shady.
Seemed like the kind of guy
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that, like,
had sneaky ways around
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things like, come to this.
Like, I go,
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I take the tram to this
one stop in Oslo, and I get off
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and I walk over there.
This is like a
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playground for kids.
And it is really
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this kind of seeing
like these kids on the swing.
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And he's just standing
with his arms crossed, just
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chilling out, waiting.
And I come over
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and there's only him
and the child there
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and it's like,
Yeah, I was going to find it.
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Yeah. So here's your salary
and you picks up like a
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like a rolled up sack of money
that had like a
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rebounder around it
and gave it to me. I mean it
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wasn't like that
enormous amount of money
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and it was just like I worked
for like two months,
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I think during a summer.
But you really have to like.
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Get in. That gives like
a rolled up stack to the kid
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and it's like you go home
to your parents now, like, Yeah,
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you've done your acting.
It was hilarious. Yeah.
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No, no, I will. I would say
very little that like, yeah.
423
00:23:28,573 --> 00:23:31,242
Or when people ask me like,
what's the best and the worst?
424
00:23:31,242 --> 00:23:33,744
Like, what's the best?
And the worst part about reading
425
00:23:33,744 --> 00:23:35,622
is our stories. I very often say
the best part
426
00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:37,457
is not having a real job
and the worst part
427
00:23:37,457 --> 00:23:42,045
is not having a real job.
So. You know, I was
428
00:23:42,045 --> 00:23:44,923
I was going to actually ask you
about some of the behind
429
00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:47,968
the scenes of, you know, what are
what are the things
430
00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:50,511
that people don't
see or don't talk about
431
00:23:50,511 --> 00:23:52,888
when it comes to
circus performance.
432
00:23:52,888 --> 00:23:56,768
And it could be in a positive
or in a negative sense, I guess.
433
00:23:56,768 --> 00:24:00,480
But is there anything that
is kind of it's just hidden
434
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,607
or it's so mundane
that it just doesn't get
435
00:24:03,607 --> 00:24:09,321
talked about? MM. I think on the
positive side, I think that like
436
00:24:09,321 --> 00:24:11,199
I mean it says itself
if you think about it,
437
00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:12,741
but it may be not the first thing
you're thinking
438
00:24:12,741 --> 00:24:14,827
that is that, that there is like
there's, it's
439
00:24:14,827 --> 00:24:16,746
a really interesting
community of people.
440
00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,585
I think that's maybe like
one of the things that gives
441
00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:24,962
the most amount of energy,
I'd say, of being part of it
442
00:24:24,962 --> 00:24:31,510
is that like, I think if you
if you want to do this
443
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:34,096
as your job, you need
you need to be rather
444
00:24:34,096 --> 00:24:39,185
like you need to be a kind of an
extreme person in many ways,
445
00:24:39,185 --> 00:24:43,272
like you need to have
like I said, you need to have
446
00:24:43,272 --> 00:24:49,028
a pretty deep desire to do this
in one way or other. And I think
447
00:24:49,028 --> 00:24:52,574
because of that, like
there's a lot of crazy
448
00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:56,869
and very interesting individuals.
You run across everyone half like
449
00:24:56,869 --> 00:25:00,248
some fucking quirky hobby
of some sort that you
450
00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:02,834
that isn't even there
circus stuff
451
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:05,377
and you get to know them as like,
oh yeah, like everyone is like
452
00:25:05,377 --> 00:25:09,007
into like you're just very
creative and like, I think
453
00:25:10,049 --> 00:25:13,929
I would say the personality types
that choose circus
454
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:20,684
have a lot of like asthma and
yeah, just interesting
455
00:25:20,684 --> 00:25:24,689
habits, interesting
lives, interesting and
456
00:25:25,147 --> 00:25:27,275
ways of doing things.
So you run across
457
00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:31,695
a lot of just cool, cool people.
And I think that is, that is
458
00:25:31,695 --> 00:25:36,242
maybe like one of the maybe
the best thing of all like
459
00:25:36,242 --> 00:25:39,703
just feel like I, I mean,
I feel I know so many people
460
00:25:39,703 --> 00:25:43,415
that are like, so particular,
so like, specific
461
00:25:43,415 --> 00:25:46,752
in their ways of being.
And I really love that.
462
00:25:46,752 --> 00:25:49,923
And I think that's also something
that like if you're not really
463
00:25:49,923 --> 00:25:52,592
like that from the start,
like in me, you develop
464
00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:54,385
that through being
in this community
465
00:25:54,385 --> 00:25:58,722
because it's like it's so normal
that everyone plays an instrument
466
00:25:58,722 --> 00:26:02,894
or is into dance or is like,
that's some weird shit
467
00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:05,438
you've never heard of like the
on the front of there and
468
00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:09,608
the side of the circus.
Yeah, I was going to actually
469
00:26:09,608 --> 00:26:11,903
wonder, is there any people
you would describe
470
00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:16,575
as not creative or it's
almost like you get moulded into,
471
00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:21,121
into that, you know, is there,
is there someone who you like?
472
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:23,707
You should be an engineer,
but you're a you're in actually
473
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:27,042
a circus also.
I mean, there's so many and like
474
00:26:27,042 --> 00:26:30,547
what's sort of funny is in many,
many of the ones that I know
475
00:26:30,547 --> 00:26:32,048
that kind of
got a bit older there,
476
00:26:32,048 --> 00:26:35,384
they've been like doing this
and performing and travelling
477
00:26:35,384 --> 00:26:39,096
all over the place kind of thing
for a decade and they kind of
478
00:26:39,096 --> 00:26:42,349
need to do something else.
I needed like two or three guys
479
00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:49,356
that became fireman after.
Yeah, okay. Yeah. But am
480
00:26:49,356 --> 00:26:53,944
like, I do think. I remember
there was a soccer player
481
00:26:53,944 --> 00:26:56,114
who used to play
for Tottenham Hotspur
482
00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,532
and this was when I played
soccer as a kid and I was just,
483
00:26:58,532 --> 00:27:01,452
you know, in love
with that sport. I would do it
484
00:27:01,452 --> 00:27:04,413
all the time. It was,
you know, my pride, my joy.
485
00:27:04,413 --> 00:27:08,292
I was kind of the soccer player.
And I remember
486
00:27:08,292 --> 00:27:12,130
reading an interview that he had
and he was saying, you know,
487
00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:16,259
I actually don't like the sport.
I don't know, I don't love it.
488
00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:18,094
I don't even like it.
It's a job for me.
489
00:27:18,094 --> 00:27:22,307
It is purely I play this.
I'm good at it. You know, it
490
00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:27,103
it allowed me to
reach a level of wealth.
491
00:27:27,311 --> 00:27:29,355
Maybe he was searching for
fame as well. I'm not I'm not
492
00:27:29,355 --> 00:27:34,653
particularly sure. But he.
He wasn't in love with the game.
493
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:38,615
Which is what? As a kid, you like
shock and horror. Oh, my God.
494
00:27:38,615 --> 00:27:40,325
How could you
how could you say that
495
00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:43,369
sort of deal? And. Yeah,
I yeah, I'm
496
00:27:43,369 --> 00:27:46,413
just wondering if there's
people who you would say
497
00:27:46,413 --> 00:27:49,541
are technicians.
They are absolutely spot on
498
00:27:49,541 --> 00:27:51,795
with what they're doing
in the in the circus,
499
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:54,631
but they don't
have a love for it. It's kind of
500
00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:58,175
it is just a job for them.
I think. So I think I don't think
501
00:27:58,175 --> 00:28:01,512
I know that many.
I do think that like
502
00:28:01,512 --> 00:28:06,183
in a lot of like
bigger shows such as
503
00:28:06,934 --> 00:28:10,480
I think like perhaps
I'm generalising too, but like
504
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,315
for some people it's
people like doing
505
00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:15,109
like Soleil stuff
where like they do take
506
00:28:15,109 --> 00:28:17,444
a lot of people
just from exports,
507
00:28:17,444 --> 00:28:21,240
sport, acrobatics, for example.
Larry Like basically the hand
508
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,119
balancers instructors Leyland off
circus artists educated at like
509
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,954
circus schools
usually they're either
510
00:28:26,954 --> 00:28:30,500
either they're from
the Chinese people who are
511
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,252
educators or schools or
basically export
512
00:28:33,252 --> 00:28:36,131
acrobatics flyers because they're
better than all of us,
513
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:40,134
and there's nothing we can ever.
Yeah, for the most part.
514
00:28:40,134 --> 00:28:43,887
And so maybe, maybe to
some some of those it's
515
00:28:43,887 --> 00:28:46,682
more like of, of a job
like are like if I'm thinking
516
00:28:46,682 --> 00:28:49,144
of the way that's like
let's say you've done,
517
00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:52,230
you've done sport across
since you were a child and you're
518
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:53,940
extremely good,
you're extremely good
519
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:56,401
at what you do. But like it's,
you've just
520
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,862
done that for 20 years.
It's always been in your life
521
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:02,240
and then you perform with it
and you do it like that.
522
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,200
But it might it's might not be
that kind of thing
523
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,994
where like you go home for
the occasion and you're like,
524
00:29:06,994 --> 00:29:10,749
Whoa, I'm going to like create
a new show or like, explore it in
525
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:14,294
different ways. Like maybe,
maybe there are some just like,
526
00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:16,628
kind of thinking
out loud in that sense. But
527
00:29:18,673 --> 00:29:20,383
then then you, of
course, have some people
528
00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:23,260
who are just like more just very
technically focussed.
529
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:25,637
They're only interested in
just being good
530
00:29:25,637 --> 00:29:29,017
athletes in in the way, unlike
they have one act
531
00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:31,853
that they perform
and basically that's it.
532
00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:35,856
And, and then you have,
I think, like more in the scene
533
00:29:35,856 --> 00:29:38,233
that I've been involved
in, it's more in the sense
534
00:29:38,233 --> 00:29:43,490
that I feel that like
almost everyone has like they,
535
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:46,742
they start drifting away
from doing kind of their
536
00:29:46,742 --> 00:29:50,954
technical difficult circus stuff
to just being like
537
00:29:50,954 --> 00:29:55,125
making very creative, strange,
interesting things that they
538
00:29:55,125 --> 00:29:59,547
that they find very fascinating
themselves, such as like
539
00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:02,342
one one song or like example.
I just thought of now
540
00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:04,719
as a friend of mine
named Mike PESCA to
541
00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:06,762
and I mean, he's
still a really good hand dancer,
542
00:30:06,762 --> 00:30:09,641
but the last kind of
artistic project he did,
543
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,059
he was chosen for like
he was working with the
544
00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:14,604
director, basically.
But they were creating a show
545
00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:17,856
where, like the
the stage is a one
546
00:30:17,856 --> 00:30:21,903
time, one square
of light from above. So there was
547
00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:24,655
like a one time one metre square
and he has the entire performance
548
00:30:24,655 --> 00:30:27,700
inside of that square
and he has like,
549
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,036
yes, he has kind of like
he has a lot of different things
550
00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:34,540
to play with. He's something,
he's a bouncer, he does kung
551
00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:40,003
fu, he's do breaking,
he's quite theatrical. So Mike
552
00:30:40,003 --> 00:30:42,173
then is basically like,
Oh, I think
553
00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:45,093
sometimes you can create
better art by setting limitations
554
00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:48,846
because like you, that forces
you out of your
555
00:30:48,846 --> 00:30:55,269
kind of habits in a way.
And habits and art does tend to
556
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:57,980
create problems for each other.
So it can be interesting
557
00:30:57,980 --> 00:31:03,694
to find out. It's like split up
in a way and yeah.
558
00:31:03,694 --> 00:31:07,740
Yeah, definitely. Um.
I was having this discussion
559
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:10,242
the other day
with, with my friend Juan and the
560
00:31:10,242 --> 00:31:12,828
was the episode that came out
before this, and it was related
561
00:31:12,828 --> 00:31:16,039
to pressure
and I've always sucked if you,
562
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,001
if you put me under pressure,
like if I'm out with my friends
563
00:31:19,001 --> 00:31:20,711
hand standing
or something and we're,
564
00:31:20,711 --> 00:31:24,423
we decided to take a group photo
or video my, my handstands
565
00:31:24,423 --> 00:31:28,553
get worse from that. I was.
Wondering, do you have
566
00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,512
any of that yourself
or do you kind of thrive
567
00:31:30,512 --> 00:31:33,682
under the pressure? And if so, is
that something that other people
568
00:31:33,682 --> 00:31:36,310
or is it something
you can get over? If that's just
569
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:39,564
a natural inclination for you,
You don't thrive under pressure.
570
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,773
Is that something
that you can conquer
571
00:31:41,773 --> 00:31:43,692
or do you kind of
have to have that
572
00:31:43,692 --> 00:31:45,528
when you're especially
doing like performance?
573
00:31:45,528 --> 00:31:48,196
You mean like kind of like
kind of performance
574
00:31:48,196 --> 00:31:52,951
anxiety, sort of,
I guess. So, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
575
00:31:52,951 --> 00:31:56,705
You step up to the plate and it's
and you don't the energy
576
00:31:56,705 --> 00:31:59,666
that you get from
that is a addition. It's a,
577
00:31:59,666 --> 00:32:03,128
it's a subtraction from whatever
you're trying to do. It's,
578
00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:07,133
I think it's a lot, a
lot like that for, especially in
579
00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:10,010
the beginning,
I think it's basically
580
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:14,723
like anything it's kind of like
it's stress, like you're,
581
00:32:14,723 --> 00:32:16,808
you're in a situation,
you're, you're,
582
00:32:16,808 --> 00:32:21,855
you're not sure of
you're not used to. And then
583
00:32:21,855 --> 00:32:24,317
that that can get to you
in the way that like you
584
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:25,734
basically become
very self-conscious
585
00:32:25,734 --> 00:32:28,613
and you're like, you can't
really focus on your task
586
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:33,159
like and with handstands
or with like physical stuff,
587
00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:34,952
it can also be like,
I think with handstands
588
00:32:34,952 --> 00:32:39,374
especially or like balance
related things, and you can
589
00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,834
have this feeling that you
can't feel your hand
590
00:32:41,834 --> 00:32:44,586
and you're just like,
there's your entire body is
591
00:32:44,586 --> 00:32:48,883
and just to such
a state of stress that you're
592
00:32:48,883 --> 00:32:53,179
not really able of
able to kind of relax at all.
593
00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:57,892
And I think basically that's
just how it is in the start.
594
00:32:57,892 --> 00:33:01,395
And I think that's how it is
with most things,
595
00:33:01,395 --> 00:33:04,481
even even just like daily
life shit, that I look upon it
596
00:33:04,481 --> 00:33:07,527
in the same way as like
basically you have a and
597
00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:10,696
like if you just look at
like stimulus, that's kind
598
00:33:10,696 --> 00:33:14,116
of a stressor.
And if your tolerance
599
00:33:14,116 --> 00:33:17,244
to that particular
stressor is low, it is going to
600
00:33:17,244 --> 00:33:19,329
impact you a lot.
But if your tolerance
601
00:33:19,329 --> 00:33:23,209
to the stressor is high
just through, just to have it
602
00:33:23,209 --> 00:33:27,255
through to gradual exposure,
then then it's
603
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:29,382
not going to stress you as much.
And I think that is that's
604
00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:34,595
kind of as relevant for many.
If you look at people who do
605
00:33:34,595 --> 00:33:40,183
what what is called AM,
what's the name of a
606
00:33:40,183 --> 00:33:41,769
like basically people
who do therapy
607
00:33:41,769 --> 00:33:45,022
for like exposure therapy
for like either like David
608
00:33:45,022 --> 00:33:49,484
I try an experience or something
like what seems to work
609
00:33:49,484 --> 00:33:52,946
or actually seems to be necessary
for them to do is exposure
610
00:33:52,946 --> 00:33:58,368
to stress, stressor. Experiencing
the fact that I came, I was able
611
00:33:58,368 --> 00:34:01,497
to deal with it to a degree.
It was still for a while maybe.
612
00:34:01,497 --> 00:34:04,791
But then like over time,
what was territory? Terrifying
613
00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:08,336
is not no longer terrifying.
Just because there exists
614
00:34:08,336 --> 00:34:11,257
a big enough library
in your brain saying, and this is
615
00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:14,927
this wasn't that bad.
I think it's the same.
616
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:16,929
And I think actually in
that sense, it's
617
00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:21,099
a valuable experience to
to do stuff like, yeah, stage
618
00:34:21,099 --> 00:34:24,896
performing or anything,
which puts you out there
619
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:28,440
because it is,
it is fucking terrifying
620
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,610
at first.
It's absolutely horrible
621
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:32,195
because like, you're
in front of everyone
622
00:34:32,195 --> 00:34:35,782
and you feel that you're
doing really or you can't
623
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:37,574
manage the thing
and you put so much
624
00:34:37,574 --> 00:34:39,284
pressure on yourself
and you think everyone
625
00:34:39,284 --> 00:34:44,206
thinks you suck and you just
want to kill yourself out there
626
00:34:44,206 --> 00:34:47,626
and you hate every second
and you feel that
627
00:34:47,626 --> 00:34:49,336
like every second
you get more stressed
628
00:34:49,336 --> 00:34:51,130
than you feel
the audience is being.
629
00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:53,840
Like they see you being stressed,
which means that
630
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,260
they feel bad about it.
You feel even worse.
631
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:58,596
And it's just like this
for like the cycle.
632
00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:02,432
But but there it is.
There is like significant value
633
00:35:02,432 --> 00:35:05,018
in that because, like,
you get like
634
00:35:05,018 --> 00:35:06,978
to get good at stage.
If you go on stage,
635
00:35:06,978 --> 00:35:08,396
if you haven't done this
since you're a kid.
636
00:35:08,396 --> 00:35:11,525
So that sort of thing is
more natural is you just have
637
00:35:11,525 --> 00:35:16,239
to pass through.
That is kind of like a kind of a
638
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,909
trial by fire sort of thing.
Like in in the end, like you get
639
00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:22,286
a little bit better.
It was like a little bit
640
00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:25,539
less horrible being out there.
You get like a positive comment.
641
00:35:25,539 --> 00:35:28,208
Someone says, Yeah, like,
for example, surfing school
642
00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:31,003
is all about this. Like I had
a horrible time
643
00:35:31,003 --> 00:35:33,255
with just that thing
in circus school because I had
644
00:35:33,255 --> 00:35:35,340
no experience.
I was trying really hard.
645
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:37,885
I was trying too hard.
And then like people are.
646
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,637
Yeah, but like, you can see that
you're trying, but like
647
00:35:40,637 --> 00:35:43,349
the theatre trying is that
you need to like, relax to that.
648
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:45,309
But then you as volatility
this motherfucker,
649
00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:48,855
you just need to even to do it
a million times and then it
650
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:51,273
kind of get there. And I had
the supportive
651
00:35:51,273 --> 00:35:53,985
environment with people,
which matters a lot
652
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,195
because if you don't,
then you're just going
653
00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,989
to retreat back in the shell
and just not be able to like,
654
00:35:58,989 --> 00:36:02,784
genuinely try again.
So over how long.
655
00:36:02,784 --> 00:36:06,204
Do you think it took to get rid
of most of that if it if
656
00:36:06,204 --> 00:36:12,170
it ever goes away entirely?
I think during the first
657
00:36:13,128 --> 00:36:16,090
years in school
I feel I had very few
658
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:18,675
like the first three years
had very few times where I felt
659
00:36:18,675 --> 00:36:20,385
that I was like genuinely
doing something
660
00:36:20,385 --> 00:36:22,512
where I felt confident.
Maybe it was like
661
00:36:22,512 --> 00:36:26,434
two or three times
during the entire school
662
00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:28,393
period I was trying
and sometimes I felt
663
00:36:28,393 --> 00:36:30,855
okay but like it. But in
towards the end, like
664
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,981
something started to happen.
But I was like getting
665
00:36:32,981 --> 00:36:36,527
beaten into me by my classmates
there, just like because I have
666
00:36:36,527 --> 00:36:39,197
my tendencies and I have my,
my way of sort
667
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:45,202
of protecting myself from truly
exposing myself on stage. And and
668
00:36:45,202 --> 00:36:48,998
that was holding me back.
But over time, it kind of
669
00:36:48,998 --> 00:36:51,291
came together. And then, like,
you step out into the
670
00:36:51,291 --> 00:36:53,878
actual performance feel.
Then like the first year,
671
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:57,672
I was also kind of like
insecure, but
672
00:36:57,672 --> 00:36:59,800
I had to realise that,
well, I'm chosen
673
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,885
for doing this now.
Like I was the one chosen
674
00:37:01,885 --> 00:37:05,139
for being this role. So I better
just deal with it
675
00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:07,182
and kind of one of these
things where you just
676
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,561
like you're just thrust into it
and you just have to deal with it
677
00:37:11,561 --> 00:37:14,773
and you do with time.
Like there's, I think it's
678
00:37:14,773 --> 00:37:16,983
also something like, okay, once
you feel that, that, yeah,
679
00:37:16,983 --> 00:37:19,320
but it's my responsibility
to just get good at this.
680
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,155
Now you repeat, you
suffer through when you feel
681
00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:24,784
that you're bad. But it took
many years as well
682
00:37:24,784 --> 00:37:30,121
just to kind of calm down in it.
So I guess like five, six years.
683
00:37:30,121 --> 00:37:32,416
And I started
getting better at it like now,
684
00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:35,001
like ten plus years on, it's
much more relaxed,
685
00:37:35,001 --> 00:37:37,128
which I also think
just comes with age a little bit,
686
00:37:37,128 --> 00:37:40,298
that you're at a little bit
more distance toward
687
00:37:40,298 --> 00:37:43,344
like from that thing of
I didn't do perfect.
688
00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:45,137
Oh my God, Oh my God.
Where you're is like, Oh, yeah,
689
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:48,014
I just fell my ass
in front of Adriano
690
00:37:48,014 --> 00:37:51,226
Whoopsie Daisy. I just go on
and you laugh a bit about it
691
00:37:51,226 --> 00:37:58,483
and you could just cope. But
yeah, definitely took its time
692
00:37:58,483 --> 00:38:05,365
and I think it's like
one of these things where like
693
00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:07,326
everyone loves to tell.
Talk about going outside
694
00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:08,744
of your comfort zone,
going outside of
695
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,788
your comfort zone
like I think we are.
696
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:13,581
We're not all like outside
of our actual comfort zone
697
00:38:13,581 --> 00:38:16,335
very often at all. I think it's
very valuable to be there,
698
00:38:16,335 --> 00:38:19,797
but I think it's a rare occasion
because it's
699
00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:24,135
incredibly terrifying
to be like stressful.
700
00:38:24,217 --> 00:38:27,722
And then, I mean, like
first thing I can think about
701
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:30,432
if I'm going to be really outside
of our comfort zone right
702
00:38:30,432 --> 00:38:32,726
now, boom,
I go take seeing lessons
703
00:38:32,726 --> 00:38:34,394
and I have to sing solo
in front of people.
704
00:38:34,394 --> 00:38:36,981
Boo that It would be like
I did that in school.
705
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:41,235
It was terrifying. But like
and it's not like I'm
706
00:38:41,235 --> 00:38:44,572
extremely afraid of, of that,
but that's something
707
00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:48,367
that, that would be like,
okay, okay, now I need to like,
708
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:51,494
it would get to me or like,
if I'd feel something. Yeah.
709
00:38:51,494 --> 00:38:55,206
The level And if I go to do like
dance classes because I've done
710
00:38:55,206 --> 00:38:57,710
that before, I wouldn't be as bad
because I've been I've been
711
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:01,755
in that situation or like,
I'm sure if I think of it,
712
00:39:01,755 --> 00:39:05,134
I could find like
a thousand other things where,
713
00:39:05,134 --> 00:39:08,012
where that would put me in that,
that situation for real.
714
00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:10,597
Because I think
just doing something that's a
715
00:39:10,597 --> 00:39:12,807
little bit different
from what you're used to,
716
00:39:12,807 --> 00:39:17,896
that's not that bad. Like while
truly going outside of your life,
717
00:39:17,896 --> 00:39:22,525
your comfort zone is, it's very
it can be very good for you.
718
00:39:22,525 --> 00:39:26,655
But it's it's I think
maybe a sign of truly
719
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:29,240
being outside of the comfort zone
is that it's not comfortable.
720
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,786
Even the 10th time you go
there is like like
721
00:39:32,786 --> 00:39:36,456
I feel like I need back
and it's through
722
00:39:36,456 --> 00:39:39,626
that kind of feeling bad
that like something truly
723
00:39:39,626 --> 00:39:43,380
significant happens. I think you.
Can delude yourself
724
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,465
that you're actually
outside of it as well.
725
00:39:45,465 --> 00:39:47,385
So a couple of years ago
I was getting all
726
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,471
these challenges for myself
was, you know, I'm going to
727
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,056
run a marathon
and I don't particularly
728
00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:55,643
like running.
I'm going to do a six day
729
00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:58,396
silent retreat. I'm going to do
all of these,
730
00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:02,190
you know, challenges in terms of
I'll be vegan for a month,
731
00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:04,902
I'll be vegetarian,
I'll do all this stuff.
732
00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:08,197
And I look at it and I went, Man,
you know, a lot of that
733
00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:11,449
was just me making myself suffer
just to kind of prove a point
734
00:40:11,449 --> 00:40:15,454
that I could do it. Yeah.
And you know. What's
735
00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:17,998
so you don't know me
that well, But, you know,
736
00:40:17,998 --> 00:40:20,126
solitude is something
I'm really comfortable with,
737
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:24,922
and I can be on my own for ages.
And so, sure, being in a
738
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,715
on a silent retreat for myself,
you know, kind of locking myself
739
00:40:27,715 --> 00:40:33,389
in a room for a bunch of days
is hard. It's not. That hard.
740
00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:36,434
At the same time. And all that
came out from that was just go
741
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:38,853
like, man, I, I did
not need to do that.
742
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:43,148
That was overkill.
And there's also just, you know,
743
00:40:43,148 --> 00:40:46,943
everyone has so many fears that
I think if you can conquer
744
00:40:46,943 --> 00:40:50,447
a couple of them just to prove
that you are capable
745
00:40:50,447 --> 00:40:53,242
of conquering fears or doing
those uncomfortable things,
746
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:56,411
then you don't need to go out
and you know, you don't
747
00:40:56,411 --> 00:40:58,246
need to go out
and prove to yourself
748
00:40:58,246 --> 00:41:02,376
that you can sing. Yeah.
Because you've
749
00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:03,835
already done something
similar to that,
750
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:06,547
which was through performing on
a stage Treasurer.
751
00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:11,177
I think are also like,
What you mean? It's questions
752
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:16,056
as old as time, I guess.
But I mean, I think
753
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,974
people are different
and like needs
754
00:41:17,974 --> 00:41:21,394
need different things
or want different things.
755
00:41:21,394 --> 00:41:24,773
In September
and I speaking for myself
756
00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:29,612
like the things that I
did do like that kind of them
757
00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:33,574
directions I ended on going in
like some many of them were very,
758
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,367
very rewarding
and interesting and like,
759
00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:37,952
I've been incredibly
it's been very good for me
760
00:41:37,952 --> 00:41:41,289
to go in this direction.
But like, yes, I think it's
761
00:41:41,289 --> 00:41:45,543
it's not necessarily
important to do that all the time
762
00:41:45,543 --> 00:41:48,047
to kind of prove a point
or to be a
763
00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:52,717
that guy that always goes
past this comfort zone. Like it's
764
00:41:52,717 --> 00:41:55,846
I don't think you necessarily
have like a much better time
765
00:41:55,846 --> 00:41:59,557
just because you're constantly
doing that. But I definitely do
766
00:41:59,557 --> 00:42:01,809
think on the other
side of it that like
767
00:42:01,809 --> 00:42:03,686
is there a like classic
kind of in
768
00:42:03,686 --> 00:42:08,317
like dude bro gym culture
or like maybe by popular
769
00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:09,610
culture in general,
that there is this
770
00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:12,780
notion of like, oh yeah, I'm
just doing the things for myself.
771
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,532
I don't care
what other people think.
772
00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:16,784
Yeah, why are you posting
that on Facebook then
773
00:42:17,867 --> 00:42:20,371
posting them exactly.
Because you want and other
774
00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:23,706
to see you as independent
and strong and cool and making
775
00:42:23,706 --> 00:42:25,960
your own choices and there's
nothing special.
776
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,628
You're doing exactly
the same thing.
777
00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:31,923
So like recognition and respect
and all these things
778
00:42:31,923 --> 00:42:40,056
that seem rather to be pretty
and hard to say necessary
779
00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:41,891
for people think
people need to be seen
780
00:42:41,891 --> 00:42:46,271
and to be like
loved and cared for and respected
781
00:42:46,271 --> 00:42:47,731
on all these things.
So it's just like to
782
00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:49,692
accept that like
and that's why I said,
783
00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:52,235
like when I started
all this things, things,
784
00:42:52,235 --> 00:42:54,862
it was just,
it wasn't, it wasn't to,
785
00:42:54,862 --> 00:42:57,615
it wasn't some like grand journey
to the top of the mountain
786
00:42:57,615 --> 00:42:59,994
to meet the guru.
It was just like some insecurity.
787
00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:03,789
Do this. I really need to deduce
and fit to feel good. And yes,
788
00:43:03,789 --> 00:43:07,626
I'd rather stand by that
than some bullshit. So it's like,
789
00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:09,711
and that's fine
because over time, like,
790
00:43:09,711 --> 00:43:13,632
it doesn't it doesn't always need
to stay like that. I'm not like
791
00:43:13,632 --> 00:43:16,217
desperately going out on stage
to be like, love me, love me.
792
00:43:16,217 --> 00:43:19,762
I need that to be centred like,
like now I'm
793
00:43:19,762 --> 00:43:22,516
like kind of chilling with that.
And they struggle
794
00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:25,101
almost taking a step back
from all the performing work.
795
00:43:25,101 --> 00:43:31,608
And like I'm incredibly, I'd say,
thankful for all of the stuff
796
00:43:31,608 --> 00:43:34,277
like I've learned from it.
Of course I'm developing a lot
797
00:43:34,277 --> 00:43:35,987
of the version
and I think that's great
798
00:43:35,987 --> 00:43:39,824
for anyone that does
whatever that is to
799
00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:45,748
make themselves
more confident in a way. But and
800
00:43:45,748 --> 00:43:49,168
like in the end,
like maybe through the thing is
801
00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:51,461
you actually realise
that, oh, hey, it's like for me,
802
00:43:51,461 --> 00:43:54,130
for example, I just, I actually
really like this hand
803
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:56,675
balancing thing. Actually,
I really love to do this stuff
804
00:43:56,675 --> 00:43:59,344
because I still do it.
Like I still go
805
00:43:59,344 --> 00:44:02,472
to the hall to train,
like even Android.
806
00:44:02,472 --> 00:44:05,893
I enjoyed the practice. I enjoy
doing it for it's its own
807
00:44:05,893 --> 00:44:09,521
kind of thing, even though
yes, of course,
808
00:44:09,521 --> 00:44:11,190
I think it's great
that other people think
809
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:12,775
it's cool.
I think it's cool. I do.
810
00:44:12,775 --> 00:44:15,485
I like to nerd out about it
and like, how did this
811
00:44:15,485 --> 00:44:18,280
part of my life? But things
it's just better
812
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,907
to just realise that like, yeah,
and you're not fucking special.
813
00:44:20,907 --> 00:44:27,206
You're just like someone.
The, the transition that
814
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:30,793
you kind of referred to it
just then of the moving away,
815
00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:34,088
I guess from the performance.
How does that normally work for
816
00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:38,257
the circus artists. Is it,
you know, do they get to a point
817
00:44:38,257 --> 00:44:41,804
where it's I got to retire,
my body is just falling to bits
818
00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:45,139
or is there not a
no more of a kind
819
00:44:45,139 --> 00:44:48,059
of graceful exit
where it's you find,
820
00:44:48,059 --> 00:44:51,980
you know, life, You know,
I want a quote unquote,
821
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,693
real life. I want to have kids
and have a house somewhere, and I
822
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,403
don't want to travel as much
that sort of deal. What
823
00:44:58,403 --> 00:45:00,697
how do people normally
kind of transition out of
824
00:45:00,697 --> 00:45:06,119
being full time performers?
I mean, I think some people
825
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:10,623
get injured, but I
think it's actually I think it's
826
00:45:10,623 --> 00:45:14,836
actually much more the second
thing, like some people will sure
827
00:45:14,836 --> 00:45:18,757
burn out their body.
Some people short do get broken,
828
00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:23,010
but so do they from other
just random jobs.
829
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:26,889
I mean, a lot of people
need to quit their jobs because,
830
00:45:26,889 --> 00:45:30,518
like whether neon
broken or whatever.
831
00:45:30,518 --> 00:45:32,271
If you kept up
that furniture work,
832
00:45:32,271 --> 00:45:35,773
you you'd have either busted out.
Hiring stuff or the.
833
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:39,652
Mafia would have come and busted
your name, Boy. Yeah. Like that
834
00:45:39,652 --> 00:45:42,447
stuff is much worse
for your body. I'd say.
835
00:45:42,447 --> 00:45:44,824
I'd say that.
The problematic thing
836
00:45:44,824 --> 00:45:47,161
also to refer back to a question
you have before, like
837
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:50,414
what's kind of the
bad things of the
838
00:45:50,414 --> 00:45:54,126
of being a performer
of this kind? Like the two things
839
00:45:54,126 --> 00:45:56,753
that I can think about.
One is the travel.
840
00:45:56,753 --> 00:45:59,130
That is definitely one
that like, it's awesome.
841
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:01,090
When you're
in your early twenties,
842
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,302
you go to places,
it's really cool, but like
843
00:46:04,302 --> 00:46:07,306
just another fucking airport
and another fucking hotel
844
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:10,184
and you like
you can't have your brain
845
00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:12,518
in 111 place
because you're constantly
846
00:46:12,518 --> 00:46:15,063
changing places.
It's also difficult with kind
847
00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:18,442
of like relationships,
like with yeah, if you have,
848
00:46:18,442 --> 00:46:20,693
if you have a significant
someone or like family
849
00:46:20,693 --> 00:46:24,114
or all that of like seeing,
seeing the people in your life,
850
00:46:24,114 --> 00:46:26,992
even like for me being home here
in Stockholm, like I've been
851
00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:30,286
so much away from Stockholm
for the 14 years that I've been
852
00:46:30,286 --> 00:46:33,456
living here that like
I don't really have any,
853
00:46:33,456 --> 00:46:36,585
like daily routines when I'm here
other than doing training
854
00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:39,670
because like,
I'm away all the time. So that is
855
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:42,800
like definitely one. I'm like
travelling again
856
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,592
and again and again.
Especially the last years
857
00:46:44,592 --> 00:46:48,764
really been grinding on me.
I still like, like to perform.
858
00:46:48,764 --> 00:46:51,307
I still want to do that
some years, but it's just like
859
00:46:51,307 --> 00:46:53,309
constantly having to be like,
Oh yeah, I'm
860
00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:55,978
going there in a week
and like your brain is halfway
861
00:46:55,978 --> 00:46:58,690
getting ready to go again,
like trying to be here
862
00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:02,402
and now it's like
it can be annoying. And then,
863
00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:06,489
yeah, you do have like the fact
that like when you're performing,
864
00:47:06,489 --> 00:47:09,326
you are going out there
onto the stage
865
00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:14,039
and you're going to
be full of the body's best,
866
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:17,543
best stuff to make
you able to do the thing.
867
00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,086
Your entire
like adrenaline system
868
00:47:20,086 --> 00:47:24,298
just goes like, okay, control
time, don't feel pain. You just
869
00:47:24,298 --> 00:47:28,594
you just pull through.
And where are you in training?
870
00:47:28,594 --> 00:47:30,556
Okay, I stop now.
I you know, that's
871
00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:31,931
that's what you do
when you're in training,
872
00:47:31,931 --> 00:47:34,309
buying like you feel
the knife in the wrist.
873
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:36,103
You just go down
from the handstand.
874
00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:38,730
Then you're like, okay, fuck.
Okay, maybe the sessions over
875
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:41,440
you coming the next day,
bam, you get the knife
876
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,735
interest arrest
in a two minute handstand
877
00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:48,239
where you can't come down.
It's not so great. And so, like,
878
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,992
do you jump down? Do you like
if it's like something
879
00:47:50,992 --> 00:47:53,996
very significant,
a severe injury, which I've had
880
00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:56,206
happened on stage, not with me,
but with others.
881
00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:58,333
And then you, of course,
have to cut the show,
882
00:47:58,333 --> 00:48:01,128
but very often
you're just like you're
883
00:48:01,128 --> 00:48:06,884
on autopilot. You feel less pain
than you'd normally do. And even
884
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,219
when you feel pain,
you also have this like,
885
00:48:11,304 --> 00:48:14,016
I don't know, like you're
just used to pulling through
886
00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:18,061
and you're you're it's
it feels easier to just do
887
00:48:18,061 --> 00:48:21,731
the thing that you're
used to doing in pain than than
888
00:48:21,731 --> 00:48:25,610
than having to go
in consciously and and rethink
889
00:48:25,610 --> 00:48:28,447
what you're doing in the moment
so that that might also affect
890
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:30,740
how other people react.
Like let's say
891
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:32,659
you're doing a scene
or someone is coming
892
00:48:32,659 --> 00:48:35,954
jumping into you and you have to
catch them and you just wreck
893
00:48:35,954 --> 00:48:39,791
your shoulder and like,
but that person is coming like
894
00:48:39,791 --> 00:48:42,460
and they're on autopilot too.
So it's kind of like,
895
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:44,503
how do you respond to all
this can be very difficult.
896
00:48:44,503 --> 00:48:48,090
So for the most part, you just
you just grit your teeth
897
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:49,509
and you pull it through.
And that that can be
898
00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:53,096
a very big problem because like
your shoulders have torn off
899
00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:56,891
and you have someone like
those things happen on stage.
900
00:48:56,891 --> 00:49:01,063
So that's why I mean,
some people do retire
901
00:49:01,063 --> 00:49:05,025
due to that, but I think for
the most part
902
00:49:05,025 --> 00:49:08,570
people are either retire
or kind of scale back
903
00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:12,824
the performance
stuff because like, it's a very
904
00:49:12,824 --> 00:49:15,159
it's very intense,
It's very rewarding.
905
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,871
It's really awesome.
It's cool to travel
906
00:49:17,871 --> 00:49:19,998
and see all these places,
do all these things,
907
00:49:19,998 --> 00:49:23,960
do the things that
you love to do. I it's a rush.
908
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:30,759
It's kind of like
there's a lot of like you brain
909
00:49:30,759 --> 00:49:33,762
a reward system activation
in all of that, obviously.
910
00:49:33,762 --> 00:49:39,434
But it it gets tiring to
to constantly travel and I mean
911
00:49:39,434 --> 00:49:41,061
most of the people
that kind of like
912
00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:42,938
step back from it
from that I know
913
00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:46,650
is basically how they they have
a stable partner of kids.
914
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:51,070
Suddenly it gets really hard
to tour with a child and suddenly
915
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:53,197
child is in in
kindergarten or school.
916
00:49:53,197 --> 00:49:56,534
You can't do that anymore. And I,
I know several people
917
00:49:56,534 --> 00:49:58,869
who are like a couples
who basically
918
00:49:58,869 --> 00:50:01,498
they're both performers
and like sometimes one
919
00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:06,293
of the parents go to perform
and they still do that.
920
00:50:06,293 --> 00:50:09,463
Or you have others who basically
create shows together
921
00:50:09,463 --> 00:50:11,590
and they have sort of
like a tiny family circus
922
00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:13,592
in that sense in a way,
which is very adorable
923
00:50:13,592 --> 00:50:20,141
and awesome. But
so it's possible, it's completely
924
00:50:20,141 --> 00:50:22,811
possible to continue.
I just think that over
925
00:50:22,811 --> 00:50:26,356
time, like, yeah, the novelty
might kind of decrease
926
00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:28,983
a bit and like, like with
with other professions too,
927
00:50:28,983 --> 00:50:32,195
like you've done it
for ten years, you might like
928
00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:34,530
start to see that one of
your other interests is starting
929
00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:37,034
to kind of like take a lot of it
seems like you have maybe
930
00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:39,286
want to do
something else for a bit
931
00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:44,623
because like this is no longer
an insanely fascinating as it was
932
00:50:44,623 --> 00:50:46,751
and it costs
a lot of time and energy
933
00:50:46,751 --> 00:50:50,297
and your body might feeling a bit
cranky and a bit like you're
934
00:50:50,297 --> 00:50:53,550
not as motivated to do
that push physically,
935
00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:59,264
even though you can. I think
it's more often in that direction
936
00:50:59,264 --> 00:51:02,349
that people start like
taking a step away from it
937
00:51:02,349 --> 00:51:04,936
and being like, okay,
now I'm actually
938
00:51:04,936 --> 00:51:07,146
physically incapable
of doing this anymore.
939
00:51:07,146 --> 00:51:10,733
And that is that is more rare,
I'd say. And I can also feel
940
00:51:10,733 --> 00:51:14,905
that myself at this point.
Yeah, yeah. So you said you're
941
00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:18,074
kind of transitioning away from
some show. Well,
942
00:51:18,074 --> 00:51:20,327
how are you doing that?
Are you kind of doing
943
00:51:20,327 --> 00:51:23,954
less shows or I mean, with
the knitting piece
944
00:51:23,954 --> 00:51:25,998
and things like that, there's a
there's kind
945
00:51:25,998 --> 00:51:27,583
of a schedule, right?
You got to be available
946
00:51:27,583 --> 00:51:32,130
for all of them. So is it? Yeah.
So like even the business deal,
947
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:36,675
like we often have, like we often
have replacements
948
00:51:36,675 --> 00:51:39,012
for shows because I mean,
and one thing
949
00:51:39,012 --> 00:51:40,931
is injuries, of course,
but another is like
950
00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:44,476
stuff like this stuff or,
or maybe the most significant one
951
00:51:44,476 --> 00:51:47,561
is that most people that work
in the kind of the
952
00:51:47,561 --> 00:51:49,815
now where they feel
though this are involved
953
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:52,483
in several projects
at the same time because there's
954
00:51:52,483 --> 00:51:56,780
no show that runs
and every month a year
955
00:51:58,824 --> 00:52:01,076
unless like some some Soleil
shows does
956
00:52:01,076 --> 00:52:04,663
but for the most part you
you are on some periods
957
00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:05,996
and you're off.
So you kind of like
958
00:52:05,996 --> 00:52:11,128
you make kind of a big
puzzle out of your your schedule.
959
00:52:11,128 --> 00:52:15,590
And so this is not like,
for example, in any piece,
960
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:19,344
I have a replacement guy
named Tony Pornography bouncer,
961
00:52:19,344 --> 00:52:23,974
good friend of mine. That's great
because that means that like yeah
962
00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:27,811
I don't need to feel
the pressure of like, okay, yeah
963
00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:30,313
we have gigs now like
and there's like ten other people
964
00:52:30,313 --> 00:52:34,108
who is like everyone is on
and I'm a bit on the fence
965
00:52:34,108 --> 00:52:37,027
and then, then it's nice
that like there's,
966
00:52:37,027 --> 00:52:40,574
there is an option
and then it's so it's,
967
00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:43,201
it's the same with the,
with the school show
968
00:52:43,201 --> 00:52:45,704
and I have in Norway
that like there are
969
00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:47,914
we are several people
that know that show
970
00:52:47,914 --> 00:52:51,501
so it can roll even if if not
if one or two people
971
00:52:51,501 --> 00:52:54,211
aren't available, then you have
at least someone else to ask.
972
00:52:54,211 --> 00:52:59,342
So that is kind of one way of of
of dealing with it. But I think
973
00:52:59,342 --> 00:53:04,181
for my own partner, my own
process and there's
974
00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:06,849
like I'm, I'm, I still want
to be on stage.
975
00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:09,518
It's just like I want
I do want to maybe do it
976
00:53:09,518 --> 00:53:12,230
a bit more periodically. And I
the last year I felt like
977
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:15,065
sort of burnt out
a lot of the kind of the energy
978
00:53:15,065 --> 00:53:17,860
or like then to drive out of to
for wanting to do it
979
00:53:17,860 --> 00:53:23,199
like right now and also just fact
that like we have several
980
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,367
like some new projects
with Hanson Factory and that like
981
00:53:25,367 --> 00:53:28,163
I really want to like
spend more time on and spend
982
00:53:28,163 --> 00:53:33,626
more time on that in general,
which also allows me to be,
983
00:53:33,626 --> 00:53:37,630
be a bit more at home
and to be a bit more like
984
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:40,090
not in kind of
the travelling goal mode.
985
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:44,429
All the time though,
like for four periods, like I
986
00:53:44,429 --> 00:53:46,472
definitely still
want to be, to be on
987
00:53:46,472 --> 00:53:49,934
stage and to be involved
and certain
988
00:53:49,934 --> 00:53:52,686
projects such as Vault, which is
kind of like My baby
989
00:53:52,686 --> 00:53:55,231
is something that
I really want to do more,
990
00:53:55,231 --> 00:53:57,608
but maybe like jump
on that increase
991
00:53:57,608 --> 00:54:01,737
that I played over 300 times,
is that as exciting now?
992
00:54:01,737 --> 00:54:03,782
Like I've been there, done
that, I can do it
993
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:05,407
in my fucking half sleep
even though it's
994
00:54:05,407 --> 00:54:10,871
terrifyingly heavy. But
it's it's like doing that
995
00:54:10,871 --> 00:54:13,333
show just feels like doing it.
Another one like there are
996
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,960
there are few
new experiences for me
997
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,213
to have in that show
because since I've done so much.
998
00:54:19,213 --> 00:54:22,050
Yeah, yeah. You've just,
you've fallen over so many times.
999
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,969
You've all, all the,
all the bad stuff
1000
00:54:24,969 --> 00:54:26,596
that has happened
could have happened.
1001
00:54:26,596 --> 00:54:29,391
So yeah, the,
the discomfort level.
1002
00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:34,561
Is. Is yeah. Is it is just at the
physical level.
1003
00:54:34,561 --> 00:54:36,731
If you don't mind, let's
switch gears a little bit
1004
00:54:36,731 --> 00:54:40,652
and I wanted to ask,
these are some kind of, you know,
1005
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:43,655
personal for me as well,
because I'm basically like,
1006
00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:45,699
I really would like to get
the one arm handstand
1007
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,244
at some point.
So I'm training for that.
1008
00:54:49,244 --> 00:54:52,746
But just general
injury prevention,
1009
00:54:52,746 --> 00:54:56,376
what are you kind of
how do you think
1010
00:54:56,376 --> 00:55:00,588
about it in terms. Of like big.
Shocks of, you know,
1011
00:55:00,588 --> 00:55:03,340
making sure you don't
do catastrophic,
1012
00:55:03,340 --> 00:55:07,344
really bad things versus
the accumulation of
1013
00:55:07,344 --> 00:55:11,682
small stuff over time?
Do do you have any rules of thumb
1014
00:55:11,682 --> 00:55:15,519
that you use to, I don't know,
make sure that you do or don't do
1015
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:20,775
certain things. And yeah,
so catastrophic shocks.
1016
00:55:20,775 --> 00:55:26,239
I think there are a few
that one is just like,
1017
00:55:26,489 --> 00:55:30,159
don't fucking skip warm up
that is like and the number one
1018
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:35,331
again, I've. Got that on my list.
I think like anyone that battles
1019
00:55:35,331 --> 00:55:38,751
about like that,
you can just not warm up. I just,
1020
00:55:38,751 --> 00:55:42,630
I think it's nonsense
because like you, first of all,
1021
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:45,800
you don't have you
you're not that short on time.
1022
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,304
So you can take the time
to warm up. And to me, to me,
1023
00:55:50,304 --> 00:55:55,101
warm up means more about like
assessing your level of readiness
1024
00:55:55,101 --> 00:55:59,105
than a lot of people think.
Warm up means that you need to be
1025
00:55:59,105 --> 00:56:02,608
like that. Sort of a little bit
sweaty, little bit of like
1026
00:56:02,608 --> 00:56:04,110
breathing a little bit.
Just like,
1027
00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:08,072
let's say you sit on like
you bike for 25 minutes
1028
00:56:08,072 --> 00:56:10,032
with like a little
bit of intensity,
1029
00:56:10,032 --> 00:56:13,411
not too much then
and then you're warm. That's not
1030
00:56:13,411 --> 00:56:18,333
what I consider warm in, in like
because I think being warmed up
1031
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:22,753
is just very relative to your
to your exercise and.
1032
00:56:22,753 --> 00:56:25,923
Yeah, exactly what you're doing
for that day. Yeah. So Yeah.
1033
00:56:25,923 --> 00:56:28,425
But you need you need to assess
your level of readiness
1034
00:56:28,425 --> 00:56:33,722
and that'll definitely have to do
with wrists and shoulders,
1035
00:56:33,722 --> 00:56:36,559
but primarily
wrists for unbalancing
1036
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,769
and I can have
a catastrophic injury
1037
00:56:38,769 --> 00:56:40,313
and right now if I want to,
and that is just
1038
00:56:40,313 --> 00:56:41,940
by doing a one arm
stand in the state
1039
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,025
I am in the right now
and I'll have instant wrist pain
1040
00:56:45,025 --> 00:56:49,405
and it won't go away for at least
a couple of days. It might be
1041
00:56:49,405 --> 00:56:51,740
a bad one, too, who knows?
But it's it's
1042
00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:55,869
very easy to get one.
But I can also probably train
1043
00:56:55,869 --> 00:56:59,289
jumping on one hand
for like an hour without
1044
00:56:59,289 --> 00:57:02,585
significant problems.
If I take my my time
1045
00:57:02,585 --> 00:57:08,925
to be ready in the rest.
And that means my to my like
1046
00:57:08,925 --> 00:57:11,302
like the same thing as you do
with bench press.
1047
00:57:11,302 --> 00:57:14,597
You do gradual like you
you increase the amount,
1048
00:57:14,597 --> 00:57:16,599
the weight. You don't go in there
and going to slam
1049
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,769
your one arm first.
Try not very smart. You might
1050
00:57:20,769 --> 00:57:23,231
what what does any
weightlifter do?
1051
00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:25,525
They lift the bar a couple times
and then they put on
1052
00:57:25,525 --> 00:57:26,650
a little bit of weight,
a little bit
1053
00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:28,485
more, a little bit more,
and then they
1054
00:57:28,485 --> 00:57:31,864
gradually scale it up.
It's tried and tested and it's
1055
00:57:31,864 --> 00:57:33,740
pretty efficient.
The same with the wrist.
1056
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:35,952
You put your hands and ground.
You see how they feel.
1057
00:57:35,952 --> 00:57:39,246
Oh, I can feel a niggle there.
That wasn't so great. Like,
1058
00:57:39,246 --> 00:57:42,125
I maybe I did something
too much yesterday because now
1059
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:44,293
I put my hand on the floor
in a push up position.
1060
00:57:44,293 --> 00:57:46,545
I wasn't severe,
at least, you know,
1061
00:57:46,545 --> 00:57:49,715
before you kick straight up
into a handstand and you put 100%
1062
00:57:49,715 --> 00:57:54,971
of pressure on the wrist and like
that niggle would be worse.
1063
00:57:54,971 --> 00:57:57,974
So like scaling that up
and particularly
1064
00:57:57,974 --> 00:58:00,393
taking care of the wrist
in that sense, just because
1065
00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:02,561
you can always just sense
how ready your wrist.
1066
00:58:02,561 --> 00:58:05,231
So wrist is so like,
let's say that this push up
1067
00:58:05,231 --> 00:58:07,065
position are fine.
You want to handstand
1068
00:58:07,065 --> 00:58:11,445
the house and felt fine and then
you did handstands for 10 minutes
1069
00:58:11,445 --> 00:58:13,907
and then you do a press
move again. I have to lean
1070
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,576
a little bit on my press now.
That was a bit too much,
1071
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:20,788
you know, But like you, you can
you can see like kind of where
1072
00:58:20,788 --> 00:58:23,373
you're actually taking the time
with that, I think is
1073
00:58:23,373 --> 00:58:31,215
is really important and.
And even like the so that's
1074
00:58:31,215 --> 00:58:34,510
really good for the the I suppose
the catastrophic ones
1075
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:35,844
make sure you don't
do something really
1076
00:58:37,096 --> 00:58:41,809
the the one that I have I first
only really struggled
1077
00:58:41,809 --> 00:58:46,063
with this last year and it was
probably partly turning 32.
1078
00:58:46,063 --> 00:58:49,358
It sounds like the curse of
the curse of hitting
1079
00:58:49,358 --> 00:58:53,820
the three zero was something like
tendinitis, where it's it's
1080
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:57,492
a real gradual onset. You know,
it's it's not like any one
1081
00:58:57,492 --> 00:59:02,664
session in particular is
this is the I should stop here
1082
00:59:02,664 --> 00:59:05,833
but then you keep pressing
and then next thing you know
1083
00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:08,126
you've got a full on
problem is like,
1084
00:59:08,126 --> 00:59:12,005
how did I get into this?
Do you have any metrics or things
1085
00:59:12,005 --> 00:59:16,594
that you look out for to,
to know when is okay if like,
1086
00:59:16,594 --> 00:59:20,056
it's not the worst thing
right now. But yeah. This is
1087
00:59:20,056 --> 00:59:22,224
maybe getting to a point
where I should be or it's always
1088
00:59:22,224 --> 00:59:24,811
just going to be so subjective.
It's very subjective
1089
00:59:24,811 --> 00:59:28,356
that is a problem off
these things. Come on.
1090
00:59:28,356 --> 00:59:32,068
Without asking me to be intimate.
People's tolerances are so,
1091
00:59:32,068 --> 00:59:38,949
so different to so but
like, I mean, overuse is like,
1092
00:59:38,949 --> 00:59:41,577
I mean it's very common.
Make me be like maybe
1093
00:59:41,577 --> 00:59:44,454
the catastrophic ones. Also,
I just come from that.
1094
00:59:44,454 --> 00:59:47,208
You've just done too much
for a too long period of time
1095
00:59:47,208 --> 00:59:49,626
without having the
appropriate recovery,
1096
00:59:49,626 --> 00:59:52,630
and then you
face the consequences of that.
1097
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:54,965
Yeah. Then again,
like it's also like
1098
00:59:54,965 --> 00:59:57,260
it's also important to remember
I don't really believe
1099
00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:58,844
in all this like bullet
proofing thing,
1100
00:59:58,844 --> 01:00:01,472
like because I think in the end
it also just comes down
1101
01:00:01,472 --> 01:00:05,851
to rolling the dice because
you don't have access to the
1102
01:00:05,851 --> 01:00:08,146
all of the metrics
in the sense that like
1103
01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:10,398
you don't know what the fuck is
going on in here right now.
1104
01:00:10,398 --> 01:00:13,985
Like you don't.
You can experience
1105
01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:16,945
certain feedback
from the whole body. Ouch.
1106
01:00:16,945 --> 01:00:19,449
But you can't always know
all these things.
1107
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:22,534
But I think load
management is number one,
1108
01:00:24,036 --> 01:00:28,291
making sure that, you know,
like you're like not pushing it
1109
01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:32,336
to the absolute limit I think is
is really important.
1110
01:00:32,336 --> 01:00:34,422
Just like these
that the basic thing
1111
01:00:34,422 --> 01:00:36,257
that some people do
with strength training
1112
01:00:36,257 --> 01:00:40,135
where you leave a couple of reps
in the tank sort of thing
1113
01:00:40,135 --> 01:00:42,429
like I think
that is more important
1114
01:00:42,429 --> 01:00:46,934
for this kind of practice
than for strength training
1115
01:00:47,226 --> 01:00:50,563
since you're you're working
with like there's lot of joint
1116
01:00:50,563 --> 01:00:53,858
angles there and like,
like basically like
1117
01:00:53,858 --> 01:00:56,902
you don't really want to approach
technical fatigue
1118
01:00:56,902 --> 01:01:00,364
with hand boxing
training in that sense. Like
1119
01:01:00,364 --> 01:01:02,659
to a degree it's, it's
okay with like let's say
1120
01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,369
you do some pressing
and like your last
1121
01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:06,244
one is a bit rough
and like looks a bit
1122
01:01:06,244 --> 01:01:08,831
shit, Yeah, that's fine.
But you don't want to like be
1123
01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:12,335
in that area where like, you're
technically fatiguing,
1124
01:01:12,335 --> 01:01:15,838
but you're working a lot there.
So that can be one rule of thumb.
1125
01:01:15,838 --> 01:01:20,175
And Mike, you've, you've done
like a decent 35 minutes
1126
01:01:20,175 --> 01:01:22,929
of hand balancing
and then you're, you want to do
1127
01:01:22,929 --> 01:01:27,016
for like another 25 minutes
and you're ending up a bit here.
1128
01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:33,398
Every has done like maybe,
maybe, maybe it's time to call it
1129
01:01:33,563 --> 01:01:40,655
but it's it's difficult and like
getting to know
1130
01:01:40,655 --> 01:01:43,657
your own body is like
incredibly important
1131
01:01:43,657 --> 01:01:47,744
in in relation to to like what
what you need the high level
1132
01:01:47,744 --> 01:01:49,746
of readiness for
and what you don't.
1133
01:01:49,746 --> 01:01:55,920
So I want one funny
example of that is like for me,
1134
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,423
if I take just three
three movements that
1135
01:01:59,423 --> 01:02:01,925
and that is like things
that are not like in hand
1136
01:02:01,925 --> 01:02:05,054
balancing that get up but or not.
And boxing related one
1137
01:02:05,054 --> 01:02:08,141
is the planche one is back lever
and one is front lever.
1138
01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:12,228
Either of three like I'm
the least experienced
1139
01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:15,398
at front Lever because like
I used to do that on straps,
1140
01:02:15,398 --> 01:02:17,817
but like I was never
a great front lever.
1141
01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:20,737
But I'll always do my best
front lever on the first
1142
01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:24,157
or second attempt during a day
if I try them
1143
01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:27,702
and I need zero warmup,
absolutely zero
1144
01:02:27,702 --> 01:02:31,164
and I feel I can fall as hard
as if I've done something
1145
01:02:31,164 --> 01:02:32,789
like the buckle ever.
I used to be really good
1146
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:35,208
that on straps. I used to do this
kind of like drops
1147
01:02:35,208 --> 01:02:38,211
land, the black
leather and stuff and
1148
01:02:38,211 --> 01:02:45,094
and I can not do the battle ever
without having warmed up my pecs
1149
01:02:45,094 --> 01:02:47,137
to some degree.
I need to have done some skin.
1150
01:02:47,137 --> 01:02:50,474
The cast feel that I can, like,
pull in here as nothing happens.
1151
01:02:50,474 --> 01:02:53,978
It's impossible. It's ridiculous.
Like for whatever reason,
1152
01:02:53,978 --> 01:02:57,148
just that part needs a lot
while the other does not planche.
1153
01:02:57,148 --> 01:03:00,108
If I do a straight arm
punch like I might be,
1154
01:03:00,108 --> 01:03:03,780
maybe my first won't be great,
but I'll always feel
1155
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:06,282
like a certain level of stability
on a straight arm plant.
1156
01:03:06,282 --> 01:03:09,367
If I do a bent arm punch,
no chance then that
1157
01:03:09,367 --> 01:03:14,081
that warms up my chest.
So yeah, I don't know, like just
1158
01:03:14,081 --> 01:03:17,168
just specific things
and just something
1159
01:03:17,168 --> 01:03:19,253
that I've learned. Okay. Like,
because I know
1160
01:03:19,253 --> 01:03:20,922
if I'm going to like,
launch Push-Ups
1161
01:03:20,922 --> 01:03:24,007
or handstand push ups
or stuff like that, I can
1162
01:03:24,007 --> 01:03:26,219
I know that
like on the first one,
1163
01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:30,097
I'll probably go
Johannson push-Up Pain.
1164
01:03:30,097 --> 01:03:33,559
That's impossible.
Then like, okay, we're on a one
1165
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:35,978
half the push-Up. I feel fine
if I have to push up,
1166
01:03:35,978 --> 01:03:39,940
still find ten Handsome blows,
but the first one it's impossible
1167
01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:43,027
like my body cannot do. I suppose
that's how it feels
1168
01:03:43,027 --> 01:03:45,905
in the first attempt while you
do a little bit.
1169
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:49,659
And then it's fine by then.
It's not like that front lever
1170
01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:52,036
that I don't train
is definitely not
1171
01:03:52,036 --> 01:03:54,288
like that, you know?
So it's very it's
1172
01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:58,083
very varied. But yeah,
the level of readiness
1173
01:03:58,083 --> 01:04:00,795
is definitely something
you need to consider.
1174
01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:03,380
Yeah, it's funny
how certain exercises
1175
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:05,675
just hit you in different ways.
Hands don't push up for me
1176
01:04:05,675 --> 01:04:12,472
as I got it once. They weren't
the cleanest, but they were okay.
1177
01:04:12,472 --> 01:04:14,641
And then I kind of
just let it sit for
1178
01:04:14,641 --> 01:04:17,978
six months a year and try to get
back to it. And I
1179
01:04:17,978 --> 01:04:21,356
basically had to relearn
the whole thing over. From.
1180
01:04:21,356 --> 01:04:25,027
Scratch and like push ups
raised by push ups, just getting.
1181
01:04:25,027 --> 01:04:29,657
More and more. And it,
it was only slightly shorter
1182
01:04:29,657 --> 01:04:32,117
re learning.
And I just went like,
1183
01:04:32,117 --> 01:04:34,536
fuck this exercise, man.
Like, I've never,
1184
01:04:34,536 --> 01:04:36,079
I've never going
to lose this again.
1185
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,248
And then of course
I got tendonitis and I had to
1186
01:04:38,248 --> 01:04:41,293
stop for a while. So yeah.
So it's, it's been a while
1187
01:04:41,293 --> 01:04:44,755
since I've done one,
but yeah, yeah. And just
1188
01:04:44,755 --> 01:04:47,507
talking about the,
the catastrophic ones as well,
1189
01:04:47,507 --> 01:04:51,637
the closest I've ever come
to doing really bad stuff was
1190
01:04:51,637 --> 01:04:54,014
it's just completely random,
you know, like one day
1191
01:04:54,014 --> 01:04:57,809
I was out in the park,
the sun was shining
1192
01:04:57,809 --> 01:04:59,603
through this certain way,
and so I was like,
1193
01:04:59,603 --> 01:05:01,355
I don't want to be there
cause I'll get burnt.
1194
01:05:01,355 --> 01:05:03,733
I'm just going to be on my blocks
a little bit closer this way,
1195
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,695
you know, half a metre from where
I normally do in my normal spot.
1196
01:05:07,695 --> 01:05:11,532
And it just so happened
that I misjudged
1197
01:05:11,532 --> 01:05:14,744
the distance between me
and the pole that was nearby.
1198
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:17,996
And as I was cartwheeling out,
I kind of kicked the pylon
1199
01:05:17,996 --> 01:05:21,958
and then I just crumpled
down in this weird way and went,
1200
01:05:21,958 --> 01:05:25,170
Oh man, I got lucky just then.
Yeah, that could have been
1201
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:31,010
really bad. So, you know, like I.
I can't really prepare for that.
1202
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:37,182
Like my own reaction to the sun.
Yeah. Do some reps of
1203
01:05:37,182 --> 01:05:41,686
going out to the beach
or something Maybe. But I'm
1204
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:44,648
for the one I'm. Hints as well.
So there's a couple of people
1205
01:05:44,648 --> 01:05:48,945
I trained with here in Brisbane
and Brendan is one of them
1206
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:53,740
and he was, he's, he's kind of
probably six months,
1207
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:58,204
nine months into
really going after it and he's
1208
01:05:58,204 --> 01:05:59,621
he's tried
a couple of times before,
1209
01:05:59,621 --> 01:06:00,706
but he's never
really stuck with it.
1210
01:06:00,706 --> 01:06:02,833
But this time he is,
he's getting there.
1211
01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:05,293
He's starting to get, you know,
some like nine second
1212
01:06:05,293 --> 01:06:08,255
holds, things like that
and then on the right arm.
1213
01:06:08,255 --> 01:06:11,800
And he was wondering
with wrist pain,
1214
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,639
is it just inevitable. Like.
Can you can you properly manage
1215
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:22,561
training the one arm without?
And once again, it's getting
1216
01:06:22,561 --> 01:06:25,063
kind of shady. You probably
always going to have some
1217
01:06:25,063 --> 01:06:31,070
wrist pain. But is it possible to
get through learning the one arm
1218
01:06:31,070 --> 01:06:34,572
handstand without
having, you know, daily
1219
01:06:34,572 --> 01:06:38,536
waking ups of just like, fuck,
my wrist really hurts?
1220
01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:43,666
And I mean, the level
of severe severity
1221
01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:47,378
will depend a lot on
that will vary, but you're not.
1222
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:51,465
You're right. Just on
like a statistical
1223
01:06:51,465 --> 01:06:54,385
probability thing,
you're probably going
1224
01:06:54,385 --> 01:06:58,179
to have wrist pain. This is like,
let's say you're like
1225
01:06:58,179 --> 01:07:01,559
like a one hour
handstand is pretty hard. Like,
1226
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,728
let's say like a one arm
hamstring is equivalent to like
1227
01:07:04,728 --> 01:07:08,231
running the 400 metre
at a certain certain high level
1228
01:07:08,231 --> 01:07:10,735
get it requires
like a lot of training
1229
01:07:10,735 --> 01:07:13,028
and you need to get
pretty good at it. If you run
1230
01:07:13,028 --> 01:07:14,112
that much, you're
probably going to have
1231
01:07:14,112 --> 01:07:15,864
some pain in your knee
and you might have
1232
01:07:15,864 --> 01:07:19,117
to stop for a while because
like doing the one arm
1233
01:07:19,117 --> 01:07:21,286
handstand, it's
not like a jog, it's training
1234
01:07:21,286 --> 01:07:23,873
the one triathlon. It's like
trying to go for a little bit
1235
01:07:23,873 --> 01:07:27,251
better time on your
400 metres or whatever. So
1236
01:07:28,251 --> 01:07:30,211
you're probably going have
some pain in the if you're
1237
01:07:30,211 --> 01:07:32,715
if you push very hard for it
and it's going to be
1238
01:07:32,715 --> 01:07:35,967
the same with this.
It's just you're like one of
1239
01:07:35,967 --> 01:07:37,844
the main problems
of learning a one term
1240
01:07:37,844 --> 01:07:40,889
handstand is that like
and few people
1241
01:07:40,889 --> 01:07:44,934
actually focus on this.
I feel like you're just going
1242
01:07:44,934 --> 01:07:48,271
to be really bad at doing one.
I'm not very long time.
1243
01:07:48,271 --> 01:07:51,275
Like, are you going?
I don't want to hear that.
1244
01:07:51,275 --> 01:07:54,820
Are you to do that?
Doing a one hour handstand
1245
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:58,740
during your first 5 seconds
like you can
1246
01:07:58,740 --> 01:08:01,534
You can do as good setup
as you want. You can do
1247
01:08:01,534 --> 01:08:04,496
both technically precise
and do it as nicely as you're
1248
01:08:04,496 --> 01:08:07,958
possibly able to,
but for your body.
1249
01:08:07,958 --> 01:08:11,003
Those 5 seconds who
will be like emergency
1250
01:08:12,253 --> 01:08:14,590
even if it doesn't move a lot
like it's still is
1251
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:18,802
still extremely maximal capacity
because 5 seconds is like
1252
01:08:18,802 --> 01:08:20,970
like imagine
you take a static whole
1253
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:23,056
you can do
absolute best you can do
1254
01:08:23,056 --> 01:08:26,935
is 5 seconds. Like if we
if we take a plunge, for example,
1255
01:08:26,935 --> 01:08:28,938
and you you're only working
on your absolute
1256
01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:31,981
max for 5 seconds, you're
working very high intensity
1257
01:08:31,981 --> 01:08:34,275
and something which isn't
which is probably
1258
01:08:34,275 --> 01:08:37,654
not going to be very
it's maybe too high intensity
1259
01:08:37,654 --> 01:08:40,533
for you to make very much gains
if if this was at launch,
1260
01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,701
because it's just you're working
on what your body
1261
01:08:42,701 --> 01:08:46,663
barely can hold. And it's
going to be the same
1262
01:08:46,663 --> 01:08:49,082
with a one hour and something
like you're like,
1263
01:08:49,082 --> 01:08:53,087
if I do one hour
and I stay until like
1264
01:08:53,087 --> 01:08:57,132
my last 5 seconds of one arm
is equal to his five,
1265
01:08:57,132 --> 01:08:59,467
like last 5 seconds
and over one arm,
1266
01:08:59,467 --> 01:09:02,555
things are starting
to get right. So, like,
1267
01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:09,185
you're probably to like and like
by the time you can do
1268
01:09:09,185 --> 01:09:12,523
20 seconds, like your first 15
is going to be pretty fine.
1269
01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:14,233
And then like
by the time you can do
1270
01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:16,902
45 seconds, like your first 40
is probably going
1271
01:09:16,902 --> 01:09:19,779
to be pretty fine.
Like it's sort towards when this
1272
01:09:19,779 --> 01:09:26,453
starts getting late. So
I think it's really important to
1273
01:09:26,453 --> 01:09:30,666
to just think about the
like what you're actually
1274
01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:32,585
trying to trying
to make your body do.
1275
01:09:32,585 --> 01:09:35,045
And it's pretty difficult task.
So like, like there's
1276
01:09:35,045 --> 01:09:37,590
going to be a lot of like
unnecessary movements,
1277
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:39,550
like your wrist is like
trying to deal
1278
01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:41,385
with all of the weight
and all the movements
1279
01:09:41,385 --> 01:09:44,971
at the same time. And
let's face it, he can do it
1280
01:09:44,971 --> 01:09:47,265
maybe 9 seconds.
It means that like his wrist
1281
01:09:47,265 --> 01:09:49,518
is starting to get used to it,
but his wrist is not that good
1282
01:09:49,518 --> 01:09:53,146
at doing the motions. Yeah.
So and the only way
1283
01:09:53,146 --> 01:09:55,064
he can get good at doing
the motion is by
1284
01:09:55,064 --> 01:09:57,859
doing the motions.
And then you're in that kind
1285
01:09:57,859 --> 01:10:00,404
of dangerous field
where you're going to there's,
1286
01:10:00,404 --> 01:10:01,779
there's always
going to be a risk.
1287
01:10:01,779 --> 01:10:03,239
And that's where
I think that like
1288
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,702
managing the load
is just by thinking long term
1289
01:10:06,702 --> 01:10:10,914
by like skip out on those two
extra reps. And I like
1290
01:10:10,914 --> 01:10:13,876
one thing as well, which I think
is actually pretty important
1291
01:10:13,876 --> 01:10:18,046
during such a stage
to just minimise the mind damage
1292
01:10:18,046 --> 01:10:21,425
is just like, stop doing
all those like extra,
1293
01:10:21,425 --> 01:10:24,427
okay, I've done my one or if
I'm just going to do second holds
1294
01:10:24,427 --> 01:10:27,389
and fingertips like made,
maybe it's good
1295
01:10:27,389 --> 01:10:30,184
to just leave that
because you can probably do them.
1296
01:10:30,184 --> 01:10:33,270
Yes, you add more fatigue,
which could be good for you. Yes.
1297
01:10:34,395 --> 01:10:37,858
Is it actually worth it?
So maybe in those situations
1298
01:10:37,858 --> 01:10:39,818
it's better that you just like
your focus
1299
01:10:39,818 --> 01:10:41,612
just doing the one arm. Okay.
You're you're
1300
01:10:41,612 --> 01:10:44,405
to shorten the shoulders
and wrists, do more
1301
01:10:44,405 --> 01:10:47,618
good hold together you're done
for That can also be really hard
1302
01:10:47,618 --> 01:10:49,453
because you still have energy
and you're doing
1303
01:10:49,453 --> 01:10:53,332
you want to do stuff, you know.
So that's a different. Yeah not I
1304
01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:57,418
I know it the, the reason I got
tendonitis was I was
1305
01:10:57,418 --> 01:10:58,796
I was probably doing
about like three days
1306
01:10:58,796 --> 01:11:01,381
a week of one arms
and then three days of press.
1307
01:11:01,381 --> 01:11:04,635
And I was also doing, you know,
doing some callisthenics
1308
01:11:04,635 --> 01:11:08,555
stuff in there. And it was just
I could keep it up for a while.
1309
01:11:08,555 --> 01:11:12,850
A while I did did that for geez,
almost a year. But at some point
1310
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:16,939
it was just like you.
My body was like, no, this is
1311
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:20,109
this is enough of this.
And yeah, now that's that's,
1312
01:11:20,109 --> 01:11:22,735
that's really good. Thanks.
Thanks for answering that.
1313
01:11:22,735 --> 01:11:25,823
I'm curious. So, yeah,
like you taught, you teach
1314
01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:28,617
a lot of people.
A. Handstand factory.
1315
01:11:28,617 --> 01:11:31,453
People come to you
looking for advice of the
1316
01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:35,332
people who come and say,
I want to do a one arm.
1317
01:11:35,332 --> 01:11:38,877
And they're in the
general readiness for the
1318
01:11:38,877 --> 01:11:41,005
you know, they've already done
probably several
1319
01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:43,298
years of training.
They've probably got most of the
1320
01:11:43,298 --> 01:11:47,261
press variations. They can do
most of the things on two arms.
1321
01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:50,139
How many of. Them go on
to actually get it? Is it
1322
01:11:50,139 --> 01:11:52,725
because it's I feel like
if you've gotten to that stage
1323
01:11:52,725 --> 01:11:54,393
already, you've
you've kind of got a fair
1324
01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:58,814
level of determination.
But is it just the the one arm is
1325
01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:03,735
just this like Yes, skip
over the small valley and you're
1326
01:12:03,735 --> 01:12:10,533
now into like the chasm.
And I think like most that come
1327
01:12:10,533 --> 01:12:14,954
with like a high level
of determination and of doing it
1328
01:12:14,954 --> 01:12:16,664
like basically
what they need is like,
1329
01:12:16,664 --> 01:12:22,212
they really need like are
how to say they need just
1330
01:12:22,212 --> 01:12:24,756
need to be quite
obsessed about it and just
1331
01:12:24,756 --> 01:12:29,136
be willing to just put themselves
through all of the time
1332
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:31,596
that it takes them
like they need, what they need
1333
01:12:31,596 --> 01:12:34,307
to enjoy the practice. I think
maybe that's more important
1334
01:12:34,307 --> 01:12:36,643
than anything. If it's a person
that's just like,
1335
01:12:36,643 --> 01:12:39,229
well, doing an hour,
handstands a day,
1336
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:40,898
five days a week, it's
just something that
1337
01:12:40,898 --> 01:12:43,359
they will do anyway.
Like this is just
1338
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:45,444
part of their life
to that degree. Now
1339
01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:49,364
then and they have like the right
physical capacities for doing it,
1340
01:12:49,364 --> 01:12:54,828
and so they usually
end up doing it like I think
1341
01:12:54,828 --> 01:12:57,413
the ones that don't
end up doing it are the kind of
1342
01:12:57,413 --> 01:12:58,957
the ones that are like,
I'm going, okay, I'm
1343
01:12:58,957 --> 01:13:01,042
going to show you.
I'm going to do it until summer.
1344
01:13:01,042 --> 01:13:04,546
Like they just end up not
they never really wanted it
1345
01:13:04,546 --> 01:13:06,340
in the first place. They wanted
to be a bit cool.
1346
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:08,966
But then, like, it just it wasn't
a good way to be
1347
01:13:08,966 --> 01:13:13,137
cool, was it? Yeah. Yeah.
Because go buy some clothes
1348
01:13:13,137 --> 01:13:15,224
or something. Yeah. Yeah.
It, it cost
1349
01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:19,770
so much time and effort.
So then they maybe don't
1350
01:13:20,061 --> 01:13:25,024
end up doing it. I think
like what matters
1351
01:13:25,024 --> 01:13:26,984
a lot with one arm
she's like that they're,
1352
01:13:26,984 --> 01:13:31,030
they're like
some degree of proper guidance
1353
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:36,744
is very important
because I know like there are
1354
01:13:36,744 --> 01:13:39,664
basically two problem
categories of learning
1355
01:13:39,664 --> 01:13:41,917
one arm one is that like
you're not prepared enough.
1356
01:13:41,917 --> 01:13:45,128
Like your body's just you're not
good enough on your hands,
1357
01:13:45,128 --> 01:13:47,713
you're not strong enough
in the relevant way to be able
1358
01:13:47,713 --> 01:13:51,342
to do it yet. Or like, let's say
you just have zero splits
1359
01:13:51,342 --> 01:13:56,347
and stiff shoulders. You know,
you need to prepare
1360
01:13:56,347 --> 01:14:00,601
to be ready for
for bothering basically.
1361
01:14:00,601 --> 01:14:03,855
Or you have
you are the category that
1362
01:14:03,855 --> 01:14:06,108
just prepare too much.
They just basically do
1363
01:14:06,108 --> 01:14:08,777
do drills and drills and drills
and drills and drills
1364
01:14:08,777 --> 01:14:12,905
and then they're just like
better. Like I've had a few
1365
01:14:12,905 --> 01:14:17,743
people who are just like some guy
mega strong, perfect pike,
1366
01:14:17,743 --> 01:14:21,747
two hands down on the floor,
super strong, like very muscular,
1367
01:14:21,747 --> 01:14:23,917
very flexible.
Can do like a full flag
1368
01:14:23,917 --> 01:14:26,795
on two arms perfectly.
But he's no fucking way
1369
01:14:26,795 --> 01:14:29,506
he could pull this one
finger off the floor
1370
01:14:29,506 --> 01:14:32,426
if he was doing an doing
a straddle when arm placement
1371
01:14:32,426 --> 01:14:35,261
even gets splits and stuff
because like you're just
1372
01:14:35,261 --> 01:14:36,762
constantly spending
all the energy
1373
01:14:36,762 --> 01:14:42,769
on preparation drills versus like
and people like that
1374
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:48,484
I think often have like kind of
I call it like a fake, a fake
1375
01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:51,778
sense of proximity to. The goal,
they think that, Oh,
1376
01:14:51,778 --> 01:14:53,947
I'm almost there
and I just need to do the drills
1377
01:14:53,947 --> 01:14:56,033
because like, it's so important
to have perfect technique.
1378
01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:58,284
I just need to do the drills
and they need to the drills.
1379
01:14:58,284 --> 01:14:59,828
And then there's
always another hand
1380
01:14:59,828 --> 01:15:01,537
touching the floor
or touching a pole
1381
01:15:01,537 --> 01:15:04,541
or touching this.
And the body has
1382
01:15:04,541 --> 01:15:07,627
no way to figure out
this one arm situation.
1383
01:15:07,627 --> 01:15:11,965
Mike It's, you at some point
you need to just let go
1384
01:15:11,965 --> 01:15:14,009
of the training wheels
and you need to
1385
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:17,762
just try to stamina. And
that needs to happen
1386
01:15:17,762 --> 01:15:21,307
at the right stage for sure.
But if if that is not
1387
01:15:21,307 --> 01:15:23,226
allowed to happen, then I think
some teachers
1388
01:15:23,226 --> 01:15:29,440
have a tendency to be maybe let
to have the drill focus
1389
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,069
go on for too long.
And then as soon as like
1390
01:15:32,069 --> 01:15:34,820
the students like left to handle
a better movement
1391
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:38,492
of a book about Bob, like, yeah,
well, but well,
1392
01:15:38,492 --> 01:15:40,409
you can stay there forever.
And my problem is that
1393
01:15:40,409 --> 01:15:46,457
I've seen so many people be there
due to that mindset for a year
1394
01:15:46,457 --> 01:15:51,337
without significant progress at
and of the people that
1395
01:15:51,337 --> 01:15:55,175
I've known that have gotten
really good at hand balancing
1396
01:15:55,175 --> 01:16:00,096
have either like
just with with help say
1397
01:16:00,096 --> 01:16:02,682
with guidance from their teacher
or just sort of letting go,
1398
01:16:02,682 --> 01:16:05,143
learning to balance. Some people
are very still when they start
1399
01:16:05,143 --> 01:16:07,979
some move a lot but give
people enough time
1400
01:16:07,979 --> 01:16:10,565
and confidence to train
and they'll get better
1401
01:16:10,565 --> 01:16:12,024
and they won't
move as much anyway
1402
01:16:12,024 --> 01:16:14,444
and they'll get better endurance
and their strength.
1403
01:16:14,444 --> 01:16:16,529
And so I think
is really important.
1404
01:16:16,529 --> 01:16:19,865
That's and I also I know
so many people
1405
01:16:19,865 --> 01:16:22,994
that got mega crazy
good by themselves,
1406
01:16:22,994 --> 01:16:26,331
like because like, there's also
this kind of thing think, oh yes,
1407
01:16:26,331 --> 01:16:29,167
you need a teacher who can you
what to do always but I
1408
01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:33,130
why are there people that are way
better than me who just
1409
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:36,925
did some handstands
lie and no guidance, no teacher.
1410
01:16:36,925 --> 01:16:37,926
They're just like,
okay, they're good
1411
01:16:37,926 --> 01:16:40,261
at seeing and observing
and figuring it out.
1412
01:16:40,261 --> 01:16:41,930
And then they're like,
pretty talented and then they
1413
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:44,975
get super good. But I know so
many people who learn to one arm
1414
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:49,479
by just trying so it means that
they find like there needs to be
1415
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,731
kind of a meeting point there.
You have technical guidance
1416
01:16:51,731 --> 01:16:55,319
and then you have trying like and
I'm like the teacher
1417
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:58,447
then telling you it's for you
to start trying to do this,
1418
01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:01,240
trying to lift off the arm.
Don't care too much about
1419
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,534
the details because one point
that's also important,
1420
01:17:03,534 --> 01:17:06,537
trying to stand
in the Buckingham. Yeah,
1421
01:17:06,537 --> 01:17:09,916
I'm pretty much perfectly between
those two people you describe
1422
01:17:09,916 --> 01:17:14,587
because I drill
like I love drilling When I'm out
1423
01:17:14,587 --> 01:17:17,716
with my friends. I actually
really play around
1424
01:17:17,716 --> 01:17:19,717
that much doing
doing random things
1425
01:17:19,717 --> 01:17:22,345
because I've kind of got,
you know, my set.
1426
01:17:22,345 --> 01:17:25,431
I know what I'm doing today.
That's that's kind of outside
1427
01:17:25,431 --> 01:17:29,645
of what I was
I was planning on doing. And,
1428
01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:31,688
you know,
I've so I will just drill
1429
01:17:31,688 --> 01:17:36,275
and I really do enjoy that
and I can get caught up
1430
01:17:36,275 --> 01:17:41,198
in this trap of of doing that,
but it will have
1431
01:17:41,198 --> 01:17:44,701
some payoffs as well.
So for example, when I was doing
1432
01:17:44,701 --> 01:17:48,287
something like the Pike Press,
I never really
1433
01:17:48,287 --> 01:17:49,914
particularly trained it,
but I was training
1434
01:17:49,914 --> 01:17:52,000
all sorts of other things
and eventually
1435
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,212
just got to a stage where when,
when I got the first one,
1436
01:17:55,212 --> 01:17:58,172
I could get to
like a couple of weeks.
1437
01:17:58,172 --> 01:18:01,092
It wasn't a big jump
to being like, Oh, I can now
1438
01:18:01,092 --> 01:18:05,055
do reps of this instead of just
one really, really shaky one.
1439
01:18:06,014 --> 01:18:08,934
And I'm kind of undergoing
something like that with the
1440
01:18:08,934 --> 01:18:10,935
older press at the moment,
which is like it's
1441
01:18:10,935 --> 01:18:14,439
really, really. Close.
By and I'll probably
1442
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,859
but I probably could have done it
a month or two. Ago.
1443
01:18:17,859 --> 01:18:21,320
If I just decided like, you know,
all right, this week
1444
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,739
I'm just going to
really go for it.
1445
01:18:23,739 --> 01:18:26,952
But then other aspect
is like, yeah, I'm pretty much
1446
01:18:26,952 --> 01:18:30,413
self-taught as well. And for me
it has been that,
1447
01:18:30,413 --> 01:18:35,585
yeah, finding that balance of.
Like. Doing research online,
1448
01:18:35,585 --> 01:18:38,546
seeing what, you know, resources
people will provide
1449
01:18:38,546 --> 01:18:41,507
and things like that
and you know your your
1450
01:18:41,507 --> 01:18:44,219
your podcast fantastic for that.
And then, you know, I've learnt
1451
01:18:44,219 --> 01:18:47,972
a lot from
people like Tom Americans
1452
01:18:47,972 --> 01:18:53,729
and a bunch of like callisthenics
people as well. And yeah, it's,
1453
01:18:53,729 --> 01:18:57,356
it's kind of like I can. I'm.
Right between those two people
1454
01:18:57,356 --> 01:19:00,277
you describe.
So I've got to make sure I'm not.
1455
01:19:00,277 --> 01:19:02,654
Not overly jolly.
But what's more stuff
1456
01:19:02,654 --> 01:19:05,114
like let's say for example,
stalled or pressed so like that,
1457
01:19:05,114 --> 01:19:08,409
that is that is a perfect example
where where the opposite of like
1458
01:19:08,409 --> 01:19:11,954
like for me like I teach that
and just like yeah,
1459
01:19:11,954 --> 01:19:16,960
just don't drink soda practice
like from sit and pressing
1460
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,421
into a standing position
get good at that because that's
1461
01:19:19,421 --> 01:19:21,006
a series of movements
that you can break
1462
01:19:21,006 --> 01:19:24,216
down into components more easily.
You develop a straddle held
1463
01:19:24,216 --> 01:19:26,845
by doing it with the legs
and then the into straight legs
1464
01:19:26,845 --> 01:19:29,305
with the shoulder position,
and you just get mega
1465
01:19:29,305 --> 01:19:32,309
strong there. And when when
that strength is good
1466
01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:36,188
enough, you sit in that,
in that straddle and you push
1467
01:19:36,188 --> 01:19:38,105
because you've learned
that push already.
1468
01:19:38,105 --> 01:19:41,275
It's intuitive. It's literally
just strength, you know,
1469
01:19:41,275 --> 01:19:43,987
like the kind of initiation
to lift off. And then
1470
01:19:43,987 --> 01:19:47,657
when you have enough power
in relation to your body and
1471
01:19:47,657 --> 01:19:51,453
flexibility, you go up
there is just not not much else.
1472
01:19:51,453 --> 01:19:55,122
And while the balancing stuff
of one arm,
1473
01:19:55,122 --> 01:19:57,958
which is so complicated
and more like a brain job
1474
01:19:57,958 --> 01:20:04,716
than just for both,
like it's a brain job, and then
1475
01:20:04,716 --> 01:20:06,592
then that kind of they're
the rules are a
1476
01:20:06,592 --> 01:20:09,179
little bit different.
So I do think it's like
1477
01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:12,515
it's definitely good.
Like I have tendency that
1478
01:20:12,515 --> 01:20:15,894
like when I when I meet people
who are like when I teach people
1479
01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:18,479
who are very much sets and reps,
I try to pull them away
1480
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,190
from the sets
and reps into more like
1481
01:20:21,190 --> 01:20:23,109
being a bit freer
with the thinking
1482
01:20:23,109 --> 01:20:25,237
around the training.
And when I have people who are
1483
01:20:25,237 --> 01:20:27,613
completely intuitive
and just like the fluff around
1484
01:20:27,613 --> 01:20:30,742
and have no no system,
I try to give them a system
1485
01:20:30,742 --> 01:20:33,494
because I think that there's
there's value in between
1486
01:20:33,494 --> 01:20:38,166
those two two states
and why and depending on
1487
01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:41,711
like what sort of thing
you're working on at the moment,
1488
01:20:42,796 --> 01:20:47,801
I like to look upon it as
kind of a rather dynamic training
1489
01:20:48,342 --> 01:20:51,637
and it's
it's also very different,
1490
01:20:51,637 --> 01:20:53,849
like let's say
some of the stuff we do
1491
01:20:53,849 --> 01:20:56,643
on Factory when we're creating
a program, for example,
1492
01:20:56,643 --> 01:20:59,145
like we went into
that thinking, okay,
1493
01:20:59,145 --> 01:21:05,609
this is going to be by thousands
of people potentially, and they
1494
01:21:05,609 --> 01:21:08,863
they're not going to have like
a direct access to all of
1495
01:21:08,863 --> 01:21:10,907
like all of the questions
like to ask us.
1496
01:21:10,907 --> 01:21:12,993
So we need to make it
generic in some way.
1497
01:21:12,993 --> 01:21:16,954
So I'd rather program
a little bit more clearly there
1498
01:21:16,954 --> 01:21:18,664
so that like it's like,
okay, these,
1499
01:21:18,664 --> 01:21:22,085
these are the numbers
that you need to reach because
1500
01:21:22,085 --> 01:21:23,587
those numbers
might not be perfect
1501
01:21:23,587 --> 01:21:26,797
but like they'll give
a better indication
1502
01:21:26,797 --> 01:21:30,092
like if I tell you that
like, like, like, like let's say
1503
01:21:30,092 --> 01:21:32,011
I was coaching you and you were
doing something
1504
01:21:32,011 --> 01:21:34,389
pretty well for like 15 seconds
and saying, okay,
1505
01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:36,474
it's time to move on.
While in such a program,
1506
01:21:36,474 --> 01:21:39,810
you might say you want this
like for 20 or 30 is like a
1507
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:42,689
no access to kind of like knowing
all of the details
1508
01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:45,190
about a person.
So you I'm like, Yeah,
1509
01:21:45,190 --> 01:21:47,484
and it really depends
and kind of like them.
1510
01:21:47,484 --> 01:21:50,070
The context, the person is
learning to.
1511
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:52,239
Well, what do you do?
You have that person
1512
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,492
who's right in the middle
and they're already
1513
01:21:54,492 --> 01:21:57,037
they've got that
nice balance of play and
1514
01:21:57,037 --> 01:22:02,708
structure. You're
go on, run free. Yeah, a
1515
01:22:02,708 --> 01:22:06,046
little bit like I am. I'm like,
I have this one guy now that's
1516
01:22:06,046 --> 01:22:10,425
quite interesting to work with
because he has like he has a lot
1517
01:22:10,425 --> 01:22:16,180
and like, I'm kind of telling him
to like, like in one way
1518
01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:18,557
I gave him a very
restrictive program because like,
1519
01:22:18,557 --> 01:22:21,978
okay, he needs there's a certain
one thing he needs to work on
1520
01:22:21,978 --> 01:22:25,189
and that's going
to give him a lot. But then I'll
1521
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:26,983
give him a little bit
of variation from that too.
1522
01:22:26,983 --> 01:22:29,903
And I can see it's going and as a
Oh yeah, why don't you
1523
01:22:29,903 --> 01:22:31,570
just give him accommodate,
why don't you try this
1524
01:22:31,570 --> 01:22:35,367
and that at the same time
occasionally, because like I know
1525
01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:37,243
he's doing that work.
Okay, Like let,
1526
01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:38,869
let's add a little bit
of variation to it,
1527
01:22:40,913 --> 01:22:45,710
but I think it's important to,
to not get like the hand
1528
01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:50,090
balancing training
to too close to kind of
1529
01:22:50,673 --> 01:22:54,511
gym training. So because like
intensity, frequency
1530
01:22:54,511 --> 01:22:57,846
and volume at one point
becomes a bit restrictive
1531
01:22:57,846 --> 01:23:02,476
in the way of thinking.
I think though right. Yeah
1532
01:23:02,476 --> 01:23:06,355
I've learnt I've learnt to
change that very much compared to
1533
01:23:06,355 --> 01:23:09,818
when I did only do gym stuff
or even kind of callisthenics
1534
01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:11,987
after that. It has changed
a lot of my mind
1535
01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:13,904
and even just amongst
my friend group, you know,
1536
01:23:13,904 --> 01:23:18,368
there's me who is really great
at compression, but strength wise
1537
01:23:18,368 --> 01:23:21,287
is probably a little bit lacking
my friend Brendan, who's
1538
01:23:21,287 --> 01:23:26,333
been on his hands forever but was
always chasing
1539
01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:29,921
other things as well.
I could get distracted.
1540
01:23:29,921 --> 01:23:33,173
My friend Bell, who is just
absolutely like gymnastics
1541
01:23:33,173 --> 01:23:38,887
beast background but has yeah,
like the kind of structure is,
1542
01:23:38,887 --> 01:23:42,934
is lacking a bit. It's more
she does it when when it was in
1543
01:23:42,934 --> 01:23:45,270
the gymnastics training
so it was very
1544
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:47,439
it was like structured
but not her own
1545
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,481
structure of choosing.
So, you know
1546
01:23:49,481 --> 01:23:51,568
if I just look at all my
friends, I'm like, Damn,
1547
01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:54,612
trying to write something
generic for us.
1548
01:23:54,612 --> 01:23:57,239
If we're all going
for the same goal, would just be,
1549
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:00,243
yeah, a fool's errand,
because it just it wouldn't,
1550
01:24:00,243 --> 01:24:07,500
it wouldn't work well, like that.
No, exactly. That's. Yeah.
1551
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:09,168
I wanted to.
Ask you about burnout.
1552
01:24:09,168 --> 01:24:13,006
This was another,
like, a point of conflict
1553
01:24:13,006 --> 01:24:14,841
between me
and my co-host, who is.
1554
01:24:14,841 --> 01:24:17,844
He doesn't do handstands
that much is more into like
1555
01:24:17,844 --> 01:24:21,221
the bodybuilding gym, CrossFit
sort of stuff.
1556
01:24:21,221 --> 01:24:25,225
And so for you, you
you went through this period
1557
01:24:25,225 --> 01:24:29,646
where you were doing Hansons
like for seven years, 365 days
1558
01:24:29,646 --> 01:24:33,275
a year, you know,
every single day. And.
1559
01:24:33,275 --> 01:24:35,694
And I've you say
like, you know, it,
1560
01:24:35,694 --> 01:24:39,615
it was suboptimal.
You could have done that better
1561
01:24:39,615 --> 01:24:42,993
and it would have,
it would have resulted
1562
01:24:42,993 --> 01:24:45,329
in better things. And I was I
was just wondering, like
1563
01:24:46,663 --> 01:24:51,336
in this times of burnout,
my my friend was arguing
1564
01:24:51,336 --> 01:24:55,297
one was arguing that it's better
the people who get to
1565
01:24:55,297 --> 01:24:57,466
the very top,
that is what they do,
1566
01:24:57,466 --> 01:25:01,179
they burn out and then
it's just like a necessary
1567
01:25:01,179 --> 01:25:03,264
kind of learning curve. It's
something about
1568
01:25:03,264 --> 01:25:08,185
their personality. Will.
Inevitably, even if they
1569
01:25:08,185 --> 01:25:12,940
screw their body
up by working too hard, it's it's
1570
01:25:12,940 --> 01:25:16,903
still the best way to
kind of get to
1571
01:25:16,903 --> 01:25:20,864
a really ridiculous,
you know, top of the top
1572
01:25:20,864 --> 01:25:22,574
your sort of
level of hand standing.
1573
01:25:22,574 --> 01:25:24,118
And I was wondering
if other people
1574
01:25:24,118 --> 01:25:26,954
who you would describe
as you know, they've never
1575
01:25:26,954 --> 01:25:29,373
burnt themselves out.
They've always kind of kept
1576
01:25:29,373 --> 01:25:32,877
the stress level, just,
you know, just underneath
1577
01:25:32,877 --> 01:25:36,381
or even a little a fair
bit underneath. But through,
1578
01:25:36,381 --> 01:25:40,551
you know, just super consistency.
They've they've managed to get to
1579
01:25:40,551 --> 01:25:44,596
what you would call a like a
very ridiculous level. Hmm.
1580
01:25:45,765 --> 01:25:48,851
Hard question, actually,
because it's also it's
1581
01:25:48,851 --> 01:25:51,895
also difficult to know
with these person since.
1582
01:25:51,895 --> 01:25:54,983
I think everyone like has like
ups and downs with
1583
01:25:54,983 --> 01:25:59,863
with their practices and stuff.
And like for myself, I mean,
1584
01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:02,407
I think I've been pretty
I've been lucky
1585
01:26:02,407 --> 01:26:05,952
to non-local myself super badly
during the years, and I've been
1586
01:26:05,952 --> 01:26:08,621
extremely consistent on
like keeping the interest
1587
01:26:08,621 --> 01:26:11,582
because I think is like
the interest is something
1588
01:26:11,582 --> 01:26:14,085
that also can go on
like the love for it
1589
01:26:14,085 --> 01:26:17,380
if you just like, yeah,
keep doing too much.
1590
01:26:17,380 --> 01:26:21,842
And would you. Say that you
had burnt yourself out
1591
01:26:21,842 --> 01:26:24,345
when you were doing
that kind of seven years?
1592
01:26:24,345 --> 01:26:27,097
It was, Oh. No, no, no.
It's like by I,
1593
01:26:27,097 --> 01:26:28,891
I think the closest
I've been to like
1594
01:26:28,891 --> 01:26:33,604
burning out from this
sort of stuff that's been maybe
1595
01:26:33,604 --> 01:26:38,275
like the last year, not in,
but not even training
1596
01:26:38,275 --> 01:26:39,944
because I've been training
even now, it's
1597
01:26:39,944 --> 01:26:43,989
just like a bit much
with like all the travel. But
1598
01:26:43,989 --> 01:26:46,033
yeah, like
I think like my fire for
1599
01:26:46,033 --> 01:26:51,247
it has been like very consistent.
Like too consistent or not.
1600
01:26:51,497 --> 01:26:53,707
But yeah, I've had
injuries obviously,
1601
01:26:53,707 --> 01:26:55,501
but I've never had
like critical one.
1602
01:26:55,501 --> 01:26:58,421
So I'm still have like, I mean
this shoulder will never be
1603
01:26:58,421 --> 01:27:06,011
as it was, but it's,
it's manageable So and at my age
1604
01:27:06,011 --> 01:27:08,805
I'm kind of happy
that I can still keep doing
1605
01:27:08,805 --> 01:27:16,064
really stupid stuff. But yeah,
and like, I was thinking of this
1606
01:27:16,064 --> 01:27:20,318
one guy, but actually
he had a major burn out last
1607
01:27:20,318 --> 01:27:24,154
major. He's not a hand balancer,
but he's an acrobat that like,
1608
01:27:24,154 --> 01:27:27,367
basically he just pushed himself
way too far. Like he got some
1609
01:27:27,367 --> 01:27:29,953
pretty severe
the estate stepped back
1610
01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:33,456
from everything
for a while and yeah so
1611
01:27:33,789 --> 01:27:39,253
and like it's also like
a lot of the people that
1612
01:27:39,253 --> 01:27:43,675
get extremely good and like way
beyond my level and all of that.
1613
01:27:43,675 --> 01:27:46,511
Like it's usually like
they're pretty young
1614
01:27:46,511 --> 01:27:53,141
and full of fire and I've been
people that are 19
1615
01:27:53,141 --> 01:27:57,063
are just on steroids,
like in relation to like how what
1616
01:27:57,063 --> 01:27:59,356
they can put themselves
through and survive.
1617
01:27:59,356 --> 01:28:03,735
And it's, it's like
I thought about this with some
1618
01:28:03,735 --> 01:28:06,113
like students of mine
or other people
1619
01:28:06,113 --> 01:28:08,865
that like I've seen by
and some friends of mine,
1620
01:28:08,865 --> 01:28:10,827
for example, who are just like
of the best
1621
01:28:10,827 --> 01:28:12,578
acrobats in the world,
just one guy about way
1622
01:28:12,578 --> 01:28:15,163
better than I am.
And I'm thinking,
1623
01:28:15,163 --> 01:28:18,458
how long? Three years.
Wasn't even his main thing.
1624
01:28:18,458 --> 01:28:22,630
You just got good responses
on really hard working.
1625
01:28:22,630 --> 01:28:24,966
But it just it just bam,
bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
1626
01:28:24,966 --> 01:28:28,636
All came to him.
Yeah, very quickly. And
1627
01:28:29,636 --> 01:28:33,640
and I mean, he he's
super young or like,
1628
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,560
he was super young
when he was learning that time.
1629
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,480
He still still in this kind
mid twenties, which is like
1630
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,942
you have sort of like
an instant power
1631
01:28:42,942 --> 01:28:45,694
supply at that point.
And it's funny,
1632
01:28:45,694 --> 01:28:48,197
some people like that, it's like
in one way
1633
01:28:48,197 --> 01:28:50,115
I want to tell them, Hey,
I've been there like I did
1634
01:28:50,115 --> 01:28:53,618
a lot of like shitty training.
You can train more efficiently,
1635
01:28:53,618 --> 01:28:55,704
maybe that's better.
But at the same time,
1636
01:28:55,704 --> 01:28:59,375
there is so much fire
in people like that.
1637
01:28:59,375 --> 01:29:02,878
And that same time is like one.
Should you quite set?
1638
01:29:02,878 --> 01:29:04,921
Because like, yeah, they,
their training
1639
01:29:04,921 --> 01:29:08,967
is suboptimal and whatnot
but for them does it, does it
1640
01:29:08,967 --> 01:29:12,680
to be any more optimal like that.
They, they have so much fire
1641
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:20,063
and the second is like and it's
would it help to tell them that
1642
01:29:20,063 --> 01:29:21,730
because I remember when I was in
starting school
1643
01:29:21,730 --> 01:29:23,649
that gym, that teacher hit me
with a shoe on the head
1644
01:29:23,649 --> 01:29:26,319
and it's like you need
a rest in the weekend.
1645
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,697
What do you mean? I know you go
and you train in the weekends.
1646
01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:32,115
Yeah, just a bit. Yeah.
But you need to rest
1647
01:29:32,115 --> 01:29:34,077
training five days a week.
You train structuring
1648
01:29:34,077 --> 01:29:38,497
handstands, new acrobatic
classes, everything I how care I.
1649
01:29:38,497 --> 01:29:42,085
Listen, I didn't listen.
I went in every Saturday,
1650
01:29:42,085 --> 01:29:45,880
every Sunday to the circus school
building, and I went on it
1651
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,341
all the time. I somehow survived.
I was also in those years,
1652
01:29:49,341 --> 01:29:54,096
I was like, feeling invincible.
And I was invincible
1653
01:29:54,096 --> 01:29:57,975
in quotation marks at that point.
Lucky, I'd say more
1654
01:29:57,975 --> 01:30:02,979
invincible, but I didn't listen.
And I think
1655
01:30:02,979 --> 01:30:06,900
there is just like such a
there is like a glorious power
1656
01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:11,447
in that kind of youth
that also should maybe
1657
01:30:11,447 --> 01:30:13,157
not be quenched
or maybe doesn't help
1658
01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:14,826
because you need
to learn yourself
1659
01:30:14,826 --> 01:30:17,286
to need to be an idiot
and just see outlook.
1660
01:30:17,286 --> 01:30:20,957
This doesn't work anymore.
And to me, wait, wait
1661
01:30:20,957 --> 01:30:24,252
longer than I like like that.
Nick to actually get to the point
1662
01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:30,216
where like I take a step
back or two and so it's very
1663
01:30:31,926 --> 01:30:35,680
it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
That it's, it's funny
1664
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,434
when you think of the, you know,
what could have been
1665
01:30:39,434 --> 01:30:43,645
if you did everything so so
you live a full life and then you
1666
01:30:43,645 --> 01:30:47,233
look back at it and you're like,
I could have done this.
1667
01:30:47,233 --> 01:30:48,734
I could have train,
let you know, train less
1668
01:30:48,734 --> 01:30:50,735
and these things and,
and it's basically
1669
01:30:50,735 --> 01:30:54,614
like to be able to have live that
optimal life. You would have had
1670
01:30:54,614 --> 01:30:58,618
to basically have been
like almost unrecognisable,
1671
01:30:59,662 --> 01:31:02,582
like a. Robot or.
Just not a human.
1672
01:31:02,582 --> 01:31:05,835
It's something that you just
would not be able to.
1673
01:31:05,835 --> 01:31:08,503
It's kind of like
you have to either go to.
1674
01:31:08,503 --> 01:31:14,385
So you're aiming for 100%.
You either have to get to 113.
1675
01:31:14,676 --> 01:31:17,220
Or. You're at 50
and it's like there's
1676
01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:21,266
no you can't aim,
you can't hit 100%.
1677
01:31:21,266 --> 01:31:26,021
It's it's it's like a it's just
like a pipe dream.
1678
01:31:26,021 --> 01:31:30,025
And then it's a you
you topic thing which, you know,
1679
01:31:30,025 --> 01:31:32,737
so so many things in life
like that, you know, if we could
1680
01:31:32,737 --> 01:31:34,529
just have things
like this, it would,
1681
01:31:34,529 --> 01:31:36,615
it would all work
And it's like, yeah, well that's,
1682
01:31:36,615 --> 01:31:39,702
that's not how it works. Yeah,
but I do acknowledge that.
1683
01:31:39,702 --> 01:31:45,457
I, I think you're exactly right.
Then it's better to then Yeah.
1684
01:31:45,457 --> 01:31:51,546
Just, just work within like the,
the what you have in a way. And
1685
01:31:51,546 --> 01:31:53,507
I'm like it doesn't,
I don't think
1686
01:31:53,507 --> 01:31:57,220
it needs to be optimal.
I think what it needs to be
1687
01:31:57,220 --> 01:32:01,849
is going to be interesting
and like the level of,
1688
01:32:02,475 --> 01:32:05,101
like and just like you're
going to make mistakes,
1689
01:32:05,101 --> 01:32:08,648
you're just going to I'm going
I mean, because there is
1690
01:32:08,648 --> 01:32:15,404
something also like,
great in that thing. Yes, you in
1691
01:32:15,404 --> 01:32:19,492
there is you're so invested.
You love it so much that like
1692
01:32:19,492 --> 01:32:20,784
you're just going
to end up doing it
1693
01:32:20,784 --> 01:32:23,037
too much sometimes.
Yeah, it it happens.
1694
01:32:23,037 --> 01:32:27,082
And you slowly but surely
learn from that, at least
1695
01:32:27,082 --> 01:32:31,878
in my experience, I learned a lot
slower than than would be the
1696
01:32:31,878 --> 01:32:35,800
ideal scenario. But
I got better at kind of
1697
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,886
relaxing with it.
But at the same time, I think
1698
01:32:38,886 --> 01:32:44,432
that drive is also what
keeps me going. Like, like
1699
01:32:44,432 --> 01:32:46,185
the fact that like, yeah,
I do too much
1700
01:32:46,185 --> 01:32:48,354
sometimes I still do
and I still probably
1701
01:32:48,354 --> 01:32:54,025
will do for many years. But
it's because like it's
1702
01:32:54,025 --> 01:32:58,113
it still intensely fascinates me.
And if I, if I could choose
1703
01:32:58,113 --> 01:33:02,993
to just do it now, whatever
I'd be like, I would never, like,
1704
01:33:02,993 --> 01:33:06,037
really get hurt, but I wouldn't
really care. I'd rather care
1705
01:33:06,037 --> 01:33:09,917
and just take some damage.
It's like it's okay.
1706
01:33:09,917 --> 01:33:13,546
And then in a way, to
to have to have a that
1707
01:33:13,546 --> 01:33:18,426
that's like it's fun and part of
part of it, then, yeah. Like you
1708
01:33:18,426 --> 01:33:21,095
look back at all those,
you look back at all
1709
01:33:21,095 --> 01:33:23,096
those sessions
and you go, you know,
1710
01:33:23,096 --> 01:33:26,309
maybe that was suboptimal, but
I had a lot of fun
1711
01:33:26,309 --> 01:33:28,060
doing it. Yeah, it was.
It was what
1712
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:29,561
I wanted to do, you know.
Yeah, it was.
1713
01:33:29,561 --> 01:33:34,358
So it's kind of like,
yeah, I mean, maybe,
1714
01:33:34,358 --> 01:33:36,444
maybe that's the
I mean, that's what,
1715
01:33:36,444 --> 01:33:37,778
what people talk
about a lot, right?
1716
01:33:37,778 --> 01:33:40,030
It's like enjoying
the process, the journey.
1717
01:33:40,030 --> 01:33:43,658
And if you're happy doing it
and maybe you don't
1718
01:33:43,658 --> 01:33:47,329
reach the highest of the highest
or the most optimal, but
1719
01:33:47,329 --> 01:33:49,873
you know, you have fun doing it.
So like, that's the
1720
01:33:49,873 --> 01:33:51,375
you shouldn't,
shouldn't take from that.
1721
01:33:51,375 --> 01:33:56,255
Exactly. Out of those
kind of like what was it,
1722
01:33:56,255 --> 01:34:02,595
seven times 365, 20, 20, 300 or
something like that. SESSIONS
1723
01:34:02,595 --> 01:34:05,014
How much of that were
would you say you were
1724
01:34:05,014 --> 01:34:07,725
like was frustrating?
Because I'm always
1725
01:34:07,725 --> 01:34:11,103
the psychology of of this is now
that I'm starting to get to,
1726
01:34:11,103 --> 01:34:14,523
I think like a decent level. It's
I'm noticing a lot more
1727
01:34:14,523 --> 01:34:17,109
the psychological things
of okay this you know
1728
01:34:17,109 --> 01:34:23,865
this is what tricks and tips
I need to do to make this for me.
1729
01:34:23,865 --> 01:34:28,328
So for example just, just
I like to do some like leg
1730
01:34:28,328 --> 01:34:31,122
callisthenics stuff and,
you know, leg callisthenics
1731
01:34:31,122 --> 01:34:33,458
stuff is boring
because you have to do
1732
01:34:33,458 --> 01:34:38,005
tons of reps. And so it's
I kind of trick myself
1733
01:34:38,005 --> 01:34:41,550
into doing them by like,
I'll set a number. It's it's less
1734
01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:43,636
than what I know I could do.
I went, absolutely.
1735
01:34:43,636 --> 01:34:46,180
Max But I know next week
I would be able to
1736
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:50,559
add a rep or two on to it.
So it does have that kind of
1737
01:34:50,559 --> 01:34:53,770
I feel like I'm still going up
the ladder, whereas some of the
1738
01:34:53,770 --> 01:34:56,064
handstand stuff,
that's a bit harder to do
1739
01:34:56,064 --> 01:34:58,567
because I've just come in
to one session and my presses
1740
01:34:58,567 --> 01:35:04,614
will be shut. So yeah, just you.
Is there any psychological tips
1741
01:35:04,614 --> 01:35:08,868
that you have in terms of like
training or frustration
1742
01:35:08,868 --> 01:35:12,288
or things like that?
Yeah, I mean, just to answer
1743
01:35:12,288 --> 01:35:13,541
the first question,
there are a lot of
1744
01:35:13,541 --> 01:35:17,877
it was frustrating and I think
that's also why I trained so much
1745
01:35:17,877 --> 01:35:22,966
to find this new work with like,
you know, do more to get
1746
01:35:24,426 --> 01:35:27,555
ridiculous self
punishment, stupid stuff,
1747
01:35:27,555 --> 01:35:31,182
Like not all of it,
but some for sure. Yeah,
1748
01:35:31,182 --> 01:35:35,645
but one of the better
tools that I found over
1749
01:35:35,645 --> 01:35:40,693
the years is like being a bit
like when things don't work.
1750
01:35:40,693 --> 01:35:45,029
Like, uh, let's say
because you substance
1751
01:35:45,029 --> 01:35:46,990
doesn't work,
you pack up and go home
1752
01:35:46,990 --> 01:35:48,783
and you're like, Oh, okay.
And this was like, this
1753
01:35:48,783 --> 01:35:52,954
and like that. And then we
look back is, okay, so what,
1754
01:35:52,954 --> 01:35:56,751
was there something that worth?
Wasn't it like a moment
1755
01:35:56,751 --> 01:35:59,086
that was like, okay, yeah,
that was actually better.
1756
01:35:59,086 --> 01:36:00,880
Okay, everything sucked.
But there was
1757
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:05,717
this one time where I did
X, y, Z and like
1758
01:36:05,717 --> 01:36:08,511
to like to kind of like,
just find the note
1759
01:36:08,511 --> 01:36:10,765
in what you did.
Like that kind of work
1760
01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:14,685
that was okay, that was good
or something can help to just
1761
01:36:15,935 --> 01:36:18,063
remind yourself that, okay,
well, yeah,
1762
01:36:18,063 --> 01:36:20,149
a thing happened there
where I had a moment
1763
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:22,818
where it was like,
or that was a good one,
1764
01:36:22,818 --> 01:36:24,360
but I wasn't able to
because sometimes
1765
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,448
you do a good one. You tried to
replicate it, It doesn't work,
1766
01:36:28,448 --> 01:36:30,909
and you spend an hour
trying to replicate it and that.
1767
01:36:30,909 --> 01:36:35,206
And you're annoyed,
but and you actually did
1768
01:36:35,206 --> 01:36:39,126
a good thing there. And so that
that can be just one more
1769
01:36:39,126 --> 01:36:43,922
practical little tool
that I've tried to to employ
1770
01:36:43,922 --> 01:36:47,009
like the last years, which I find
to be quite nice
1771
01:36:47,009 --> 01:36:51,764
in in reminding myself.
And that's why.
1772
01:36:51,764 --> 01:36:54,850
I'm here to have fun
you get to enjoy.
1773
01:36:54,850 --> 01:36:57,435
That was that was that was nice.
It's okay to
1774
01:36:57,435 --> 01:37:00,730
think that that was nice
because not Yeah exactly.
1775
01:37:00,730 --> 01:37:04,484
It doesn't it doesn't always
to be the same or perfect
1776
01:37:04,484 --> 01:37:09,698
and stuff like that. Mm.
Have you had any.
1777
01:37:09,698 --> 01:37:14,328
How would I describe this
experiences. Which you.
1778
01:37:14,328 --> 01:37:19,291
I just so bizarre. So for example
it was probably a year or two ago
1779
01:37:19,291 --> 01:37:21,167
I was up in a Hanson
and I was doing insurance work.
1780
01:37:21,167 --> 01:37:22,837
So I was probably there for,
I don't know,
1781
01:37:22,837 --> 01:37:25,256
I got to like a minute
and a half minute 40,
1782
01:37:25,256 --> 01:37:28,634
something like that.
And as I was doing that
1783
01:37:28,634 --> 01:37:32,555
for a while, I was looking
at my hands and. This is exactly.
1784
01:37:32,555 --> 01:37:36,559
What a dog would see.
And I kind of. Felt like a dog
1785
01:37:36,559 --> 01:37:39,478
for a little bit because I was
I was just like in, you know,
1786
01:37:39,478 --> 01:37:41,438
in a nice spot of
I don't really need
1787
01:37:41,438 --> 01:37:43,899
to concentrate to do a minute
long handstand or anything like
1788
01:37:43,899 --> 01:37:47,194
that anymore. Do you. Ever have
experiences like that
1789
01:37:47,194 --> 01:37:49,320
where it's just. Like.
What the fuck is going on?
1790
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:55,828
This is really strange. Yeah.
I mean. You were saying
1791
01:37:55,828 --> 01:37:57,078
you were saying
when you're on stage,
1792
01:37:57,078 --> 01:37:59,331
when you can't feel
your hands, that's a
1793
01:37:59,331 --> 01:38:02,751
that's definitely.
Yeah. I've had that.
1794
01:38:02,751 --> 01:38:07,756
I played a show once
where I was like so sick that
1795
01:38:08,256 --> 01:38:11,426
you know, that feeling
when you have to, you really,
1796
01:38:11,426 --> 01:38:14,680
really have to puke
and you're like
1797
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,015
completely incapacitated
and it feels like you're walking
1798
01:38:17,015 --> 01:38:21,520
one metre is like, terrible.
I wasn't able to puke
1799
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,356
before the show.
I was like that for a one
1800
01:38:25,356 --> 01:38:27,734
and a half hour.
Extremely physically
1801
01:38:27,734 --> 01:38:32,864
exhausting show. And that was
that was fucking terrible.
1802
01:38:32,864 --> 01:38:34,908
But it was also interesting
just to see that, like
1803
01:38:34,908 --> 01:38:39,371
I could also pilot myself
through that even suffering
1804
01:38:39,371 --> 01:38:43,958
physically that much, but it was
still possible. That was very
1805
01:38:43,958 --> 01:38:47,880
interesting. And yeah.
How would you say
1806
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,632
you remember that? What?
Was there any mental things
1807
01:38:50,632 --> 01:38:53,801
that you did to, to like
you telling yourself in
1808
01:38:53,801 --> 01:38:56,930
that like it's.
It was just spare,
1809
01:38:56,930 --> 01:39:00,684
It was just like just, just get
through the next segment
1810
01:39:00,684 --> 01:39:04,771
and get through the next second.
I did like all my technique
1811
01:39:04,771 --> 01:39:09,318
and I felt like I'd like
puke in handstand and,
1812
01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:13,113
and just like, forced
everything through.
1813
01:39:13,113 --> 01:39:20,621
It was absolutely disgusting.
And yeah, like in some parts
1814
01:39:20,621 --> 01:39:22,914
of that show, also, like it's
very high cardio and that was
1815
01:39:22,914 --> 01:39:25,542
maybe the worst. You're throwing
yourself around
1816
01:39:25,542 --> 01:39:29,380
that like max speed.
I use that dying inside.
1817
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:34,510
That was pretty rough. When when
you were talking earlier,
1818
01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:38,055
I had this vision of.
The next time I go to a circus
1819
01:39:38,055 --> 01:39:40,181
show, I'm going to imagine
I'm actually watching a bunch of
1820
01:39:40,181 --> 01:39:44,645
robots who are like in pain.
But doing all this. Crazy stuff.
1821
01:39:44,645 --> 01:39:47,564
But they're. They're. Just these
these automatons.
1822
01:39:47,564 --> 01:39:51,359
But they're they're
they're just suffering. I mean,
1823
01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:53,779
there's also
all kinds of other like,
1824
01:39:53,779 --> 01:39:56,114
weird like, weird
things that happen, like either
1825
01:39:56,114 --> 01:39:57,992
when you're on stage
and things go wrong and you need
1826
01:39:57,992 --> 01:40:00,411
to sort of like sort it out
in the moment.
1827
01:40:00,411 --> 01:40:03,538
If there's some rigging
that is wrong or like some cue,
1828
01:40:03,538 --> 01:40:05,289
like you're waiting for the
music to come,
1829
01:40:05,289 --> 01:40:09,795
but it doesn't come or like
the lights shuts off, like,
1830
01:40:09,795 --> 01:40:13,590
it's like all kind of stuff
that you like have to actually be
1831
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:16,844
semi prepared for.
For the most part, it's all fine.
1832
01:40:16,844 --> 01:40:22,265
But yeah, there's
definitely been some like
1833
01:40:22,265 --> 01:40:25,185
some strange experience.
It's just maybe more in relation
1834
01:40:25,185 --> 01:40:33,569
to related to like the,
the being on stage thing. But
1835
01:40:33,569 --> 01:40:39,365
yeah like it's and I
can't think of, of
1836
01:40:39,365 --> 01:40:42,286
I can't think of any
equivalent ones of being a dog.
1837
01:40:42,286 --> 01:40:47,541
I think that was Yeah.
Maybe just me. I'm like,
1838
01:40:47,541 --> 01:40:50,210
like you're saying
I'm, I'm definitely got the
1839
01:40:50,210 --> 01:40:53,671
kind of like weird
aspect that you need to,
1840
01:40:53,671 --> 01:40:55,716
to fit, to fit and run
into these crowds.
1841
01:40:55,716 --> 01:40:59,970
That's, that's me too. It's a
So you're talking about
1842
01:40:59,970 --> 01:41:04,140
anthropology before.
How do you think people
1843
01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:07,685
in the were stronger.
In some sort of way
1844
01:41:07,685 --> 01:41:10,689
Do you think there was
some stuff that they were able
1845
01:41:10,689 --> 01:41:13,149
to do that. Wouldn't.
Be able to be done now?
1846
01:41:13,149 --> 01:41:15,277
So, for example,
I'm thinking, you know,
1847
01:41:15,277 --> 01:41:19,739
humans have gotten taller
just just from like proper
1848
01:41:19,739 --> 01:41:23,993
nutrition and things like that.
And, you know, generally
1849
01:41:23,993 --> 01:41:27,497
the people are better at the kind
of callisthenics type moves.
1850
01:41:27,497 --> 01:41:29,123
You're kind of rarer, aren't you,
because you're like
1851
01:41:29,123 --> 01:41:32,168
six foot and doing hand balancing
while people
1852
01:41:32,168 --> 01:41:37,298
are shorter on their.
Was how much a six foot.
1853
01:41:37,298 --> 01:41:44,347
Six foot is 183. So I'm
a bit shorter than 118. Okay.
1854
01:41:44,347 --> 01:41:46,725
Yeah but you still are still.
Is that still
1855
01:41:46,725 --> 01:41:49,269
relatively tall for a
for a hand balancer. Isn't it.
1856
01:41:49,269 --> 01:41:51,939
Yeah I guess. I mean at least for
some of the dumb shit I do.
1857
01:41:51,939 --> 01:41:56,150
But I think, I think for,
for more like of the
1858
01:41:56,150 --> 01:41:59,320
less like leverage stuff
it could be okay.
1859
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,114
But I mean it does
require a lot of strength
1860
01:42:01,114 --> 01:42:03,074
to do all of that,
all the heavy crap
1861
01:42:03,074 --> 01:42:06,912
if you're taller of course
like yeah. I ask because you were
1862
01:42:06,912 --> 01:42:09,539
going through Professor Pullen
and his book
1863
01:42:09,539 --> 01:42:13,836
on the handstand course and
there's you're talking
1864
01:42:13,836 --> 01:42:17,046
about all the crazy photos
and things of these, you know,
1865
01:42:17,046 --> 01:42:21,051
when I'm playing shows and stuff
like that, it's definitely.
1866
01:42:21,051 --> 01:42:24,429
It's a lot easier for, for
people who are shorter. But
1867
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:33,396
yeah, speaking,
I don't know like in,
1868
01:42:33,396 --> 01:42:36,065
I mean definitely
like a shorter population
1869
01:42:36,065 --> 01:42:39,569
would probably be more
fit to their bodies
1870
01:42:39,569 --> 01:42:44,533
in that sense.
And I guess a lot of
1871
01:42:46,618 --> 01:42:52,207
how to say and
not necessarily tribal,
1872
01:42:52,207 --> 01:42:57,378
but like old culture style
people are very physically active
1873
01:42:57,378 --> 01:43:02,050
and are more physically active,
might kind of on a population
1874
01:43:02,050 --> 01:43:07,805
basis have a better
like a better physique
1875
01:43:07,805 --> 01:43:11,350
in that sense. But then again,
like it's it's I think it's also
1876
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:17,858
very important not to romanticise
kind of how how people have lived
1877
01:43:17,858 --> 01:43:20,694
through history since like
loads that of course
1878
01:43:20,694 --> 01:43:23,654
loads of like I think it's quite,
quite common nowadays to kind of
1879
01:43:23,654 --> 01:43:25,407
like romanticise
a that date a bit
1880
01:43:25,407 --> 01:43:29,453
because it's yes, there are.
Today's the best. Yeah.
1881
01:43:29,453 --> 01:43:30,912
There are many things
that are difficult
1882
01:43:30,912 --> 01:43:33,332
with modern society,
but hey, there's many.
1883
01:43:33,332 --> 01:43:38,295
It's just pretty difficult exist.
And for, for the most
1884
01:43:38,295 --> 01:43:41,465
part, I mean like yeah you, you
if you don't have access
1885
01:43:41,465 --> 01:43:44,134
to a whole lot of,
of modern technology.
1886
01:43:44,134 --> 01:43:48,055
Yes you need to be physical
to do a lot of stuff.
1887
01:43:48,055 --> 01:43:49,597
But then again,
like a lot of the stuff
1888
01:43:49,597 --> 01:43:53,976
they did were not like
the kind of things that we do,
1889
01:43:53,976 --> 01:43:57,855
nor do do indigenous peoples
who live in traditional ways
1890
01:43:57,855 --> 01:44:02,319
do that nowadays. I mean, if you
if you look at like,
1891
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:04,154
yes, you had hunting
and stuff with,
1892
01:44:04,154 --> 01:44:06,364
what they also did loads.
This is like,
1893
01:44:06,364 --> 01:44:10,953
yeah, grow plants in kind of like
horticultural culture or they'd
1894
01:44:10,953 --> 01:44:16,082
like be most of the calories
into the into the tribe
1895
01:44:16,082 --> 01:44:21,128
comes from gathering stuff so.
Yeah or you have to you know
1896
01:44:21,128 --> 01:44:25,300
cook a yam in the special way
underneath the the surface
1897
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:29,262
so that releases like the poisons
that are around and you know
1898
01:44:29,262 --> 01:44:32,265
they at the end of result
of all of this is you get
1899
01:44:32,265 --> 01:44:35,894
just barely enough to subsist
you know that kind of thing.
1900
01:44:35,894 --> 01:44:41,440
But but I suppose you know.
I, I don't know. This. Either.
1901
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,444
Handstand families
or circus families that are still
1902
01:44:44,444 --> 01:44:46,779
going around now
like they used to,
1903
01:44:46,779 --> 01:44:48,782
which is kind of
also not just the
1904
01:44:48,782 --> 01:44:51,909
body wise, but in the
terms of teachings and
1905
01:44:53,036 --> 01:44:58,000
the rituals and the the kind
of knowledge which is trapped
1906
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,627
and and wasn't
spoken about or wasn't
1907
01:45:01,627 --> 01:45:04,463
written down on papers
and, you know, scientific
1908
01:45:04,463 --> 01:45:08,010
and things, whether people
where it's it's you know
1909
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:11,887
the environment
of the circus family allowed them
1910
01:45:11,887 --> 01:45:15,975
to reach a level which you
get with kind of modern science
1911
01:45:15,975 --> 01:45:19,395
or something like that.
I mean they're like the
1912
01:45:19,395 --> 01:45:23,317
the kind of family circus thing
is definitely decreased in
1913
01:45:23,317 --> 01:45:27,863
in size, that's for sure. Like,
there's not that many of
1914
01:45:27,863 --> 01:45:33,159
like that do that because I mean,
it used to be a much bigger deal
1915
01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:36,579
and it used to be a thing
where like I mean if you look,
1916
01:45:36,579 --> 01:45:38,372
you just need to look
for old circus photos
1917
01:45:38,372 --> 01:45:41,208
and you think find crazy things
that like basically no one
1918
01:45:41,208 --> 01:45:44,003
is replicating nowadays
outside of like maybe Chinese
1919
01:45:44,003 --> 01:45:52,304
circus artists. But so
that thing as a as being in fact
1920
01:45:52,304 --> 01:45:54,514
definitely smaller.
I know there are circus
1921
01:45:54,514 --> 01:45:57,684
and I know there are like
circus families that have like
1922
01:45:57,684 --> 01:45:59,353
big traditions on
like teaching there
1923
01:45:59,353 --> 01:46:03,481
and their children
and that just like this is their,
1924
01:46:03,481 --> 01:46:08,028
their thing and their culture
and so on. But it's, I think it's
1925
01:46:08,028 --> 01:46:11,907
definitely smaller
in scope and in size
1926
01:46:11,907 --> 01:46:16,787
and also just to the business
having changed a whole lot.
1927
01:46:16,787 --> 01:46:20,332
And of course, like with
this, like
1928
01:46:20,332 --> 01:46:23,835
there was a major shift
just from like it's things
1929
01:46:23,835 --> 01:46:26,212
to seen the theatre
when when the cinema
1930
01:46:26,212 --> 01:46:30,466
came for example, suddenly the
wants want to see the cinema
1931
01:46:30,466 --> 01:46:34,845
and then that turning into kind
of completely popular culture
1932
01:46:34,845 --> 01:46:39,434
and so on
and, and I think, I mean I think
1933
01:46:39,434 --> 01:46:45,524
all of the feats are
technically repeatable and you do
1934
01:46:45,524 --> 01:46:48,275
have the Chinese circus schools
nowadays
1935
01:46:48,275 --> 01:46:54,365
that are still doing like
that type of circus
1936
01:46:54,365 --> 01:46:58,869
just absolutely busted. And I
continuously see things
1937
01:46:58,869 --> 01:47:00,831
when I just see
random clips from,
1938
01:47:00,831 --> 01:47:03,166
from Chinese acrobats
there it is like, whoa,
1939
01:47:03,166 --> 01:47:06,336
what the hell is this? Yeah,
where do you find them?
1940
01:47:06,336 --> 01:47:09,463
Is that by Instagram or.
No, there is actually
1941
01:47:09,463 --> 01:47:11,632
an Instagram just called
Chinese Circus, I think,
1942
01:47:11,632 --> 01:47:14,427
which just has a bunch
of like random clips that were
1943
01:47:14,427 --> 01:47:18,265
also it's
completely bonkers stuff.
1944
01:47:18,265 --> 01:47:22,560
A lot of it. You don't really see
that much because of the
1945
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,354
like I think they
mainly perform in China.
1946
01:47:25,354 --> 01:47:29,400
They I mean, sometimes they come
to international circus festivals
1947
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:36,158
and they have and
like, like the individual
1948
01:47:36,158 --> 01:47:41,412
artist is not like kind of
mentioned as much like it's rare,
1949
01:47:41,412 --> 01:47:45,876
more rare that you see
like a profile specific one.
1950
01:47:45,876 --> 01:47:49,212
But like, I often like either
I see like pictures
1951
01:47:49,212 --> 01:47:53,257
or random videos
or stuff and usually what is
1952
01:47:53,257 --> 01:47:57,345
this like one of my
favourite pictures is like,
1953
01:47:57,345 --> 01:48:01,182
you know, on Chinese pole
or basically like
1954
01:48:01,182 --> 01:48:03,476
or you can do it on like
a human fly, you know,
1955
01:48:03,476 --> 01:48:06,104
when you're like in the kind of a
handstand on a pole
1956
01:48:06,104 --> 01:48:08,773
or like a human flag,
but you're upside down
1957
01:48:08,773 --> 01:48:10,900
and your legs are straight in
the air, right?
1958
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:13,028
So your arms supporting
you like a flag, but you're
1959
01:48:13,028 --> 01:48:16,489
you're entirely vertical.
There is a picture
1960
01:48:16,489 --> 01:48:20,202
on a Chinese pole.
There's a guy doing that.
1961
01:48:20,202 --> 01:48:23,454
How many people is on top of him
I think there's four people
1962
01:48:23,454 --> 01:48:27,958
on top of him. So like someone
is standing on his feet.
1963
01:48:27,958 --> 01:48:35,216
There is a four man high standing
on his feet. So it is it is so
1964
01:48:35,216 --> 01:48:39,011
absolutely absurd that he's
I think they're they're likely
1965
01:48:39,011 --> 01:48:42,306
quite small people because you
probably don't not don't want
1966
01:48:42,306 --> 01:48:44,684
to break in
by the first performance.
1967
01:48:44,684 --> 01:48:48,020
But Jesus Christ, it's
just it's impossible.
1968
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:49,939
It is not like
I've seen one person.
1969
01:48:49,939 --> 01:48:52,192
Yeah, that's that's
thinkable two people. Okay, then
1970
01:48:52,192 --> 01:48:53,984
it's like that's elite.
If I just saw two
1971
01:48:53,984 --> 01:48:56,654
people, I'd be like,
okay, this is next level.
1972
01:48:56,654 --> 01:48:58,323
Thinking about three.
I wouldn't think it.
1973
01:48:58,323 --> 01:49:03,161
Four. Come on. Come off
taking the mickey now. Yeah.
1974
01:49:03,161 --> 01:49:08,082
So that is like one example
or like there's this she's,
1975
01:49:08,082 --> 01:49:10,042
she's been going over
a little bit on Instagram.
1976
01:49:10,042 --> 01:49:13,796
I think probably in like the best
Chinese balancer of
1977
01:49:13,796 --> 01:49:23,139
I don't know where she is at but
some hand bouncer girl who I mean
1978
01:49:23,139 --> 01:49:25,891
she does all the things
of course, but there's
1979
01:49:25,891 --> 01:49:28,353
this one video of like
imagine like there is a
1980
01:49:28,353 --> 01:49:31,230
there is a platform
with one cane it but it's
1981
01:49:31,230 --> 01:49:34,400
it's kind of on
imagine a little round platform
1982
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,779
that's attached to in
to kind of like a long steel beam
1983
01:49:37,779 --> 01:49:41,365
that moves in a circle
So kind of like my arm is
1984
01:49:41,365 --> 01:49:42,908
sort of like it moves up,
you know, kind of a
1985
01:49:42,908 --> 01:49:44,536
horizontal plane
and a big circle.
1986
01:49:44,536 --> 01:49:47,497
I think like it's a
I think it's a paddle on a bike
1987
01:49:47,497 --> 01:49:51,126
kind of in that direction. Yeah.
On this one cane and this thing
1988
01:49:51,126 --> 01:49:53,168
is continuously moving.
And then she does
1989
01:49:53,168 --> 01:49:56,006
like legs together,
one arm switches without even
1990
01:49:56,006 --> 01:49:58,632
kicking her legs and she's
just like 20 in a row
1991
01:49:58,632 --> 01:50:02,345
while this thing moving around
is pretty high up there.
1992
01:50:02,345 --> 01:50:04,972
And then she, they also have
this massive contraption
1993
01:50:04,972 --> 01:50:07,934
in their act at the end of it,
which is basically like
1994
01:50:07,934 --> 01:50:12,229
a vertical wheel
with tons of tiny, tiny canes
1995
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:15,149
around the entire wheel.
She's in a one arm.
1996
01:50:15,149 --> 01:50:18,319
The wheel starts spinning
and she just side hops
1997
01:50:18,319 --> 01:50:19,988
along, which.
Think I've seen that one.
1998
01:50:19,988 --> 01:50:24,367
Yeah, yeah. So she's like
this, who came up with this?
1999
01:50:24,367 --> 01:50:27,453
It just also apparently has
like the world record
2000
01:50:27,453 --> 01:50:29,831
in full launch practice.
I think she has a clip
2001
01:50:29,831 --> 01:50:32,833
where she does
18 in a row or something
2002
01:50:32,833 --> 01:50:36,671
very often, you know, like
who would have thought
2003
01:50:36,671 --> 01:50:40,091
that this crop is that if
they're just. Straight up
2004
01:50:40,091 --> 01:50:44,136
modifying old
torture devices and. Can.
2005
01:50:44,136 --> 01:50:48,766
I can I handstand. On this?
That's what you can get.
2006
01:50:48,766 --> 01:50:51,728
Of course, when you have like
the peak training
2007
01:50:51,728 --> 01:50:55,439
facilities, peak
coaches, peak power.
2008
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:59,069
And peak population to. Yeah.
Just to pick from you.
2009
01:50:59,069 --> 01:51:02,655
Know, extreme. The wrong process.
Teaching method all these were
2010
01:51:02,655 --> 01:51:06,701
basically you
that's how you become the best.
2011
01:51:06,701 --> 01:51:10,747
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Um, before we finish up, man,
2012
01:51:10,747 --> 01:51:14,250
I just wanted to ask about,
like, rabbit holes.
2013
01:51:14,250 --> 01:51:17,045
Have you been down any,
any fun rabbit holes recently?
2014
01:51:17,045 --> 01:51:18,587
I know you like
to get into things like
2015
01:51:18,587 --> 01:51:23,467
Speedrunning Roddy Mullan.
Any anything that's caught
2016
01:51:23,467 --> 01:51:29,224
your attention recently? Uh,
let me think what I've been like.
2017
01:51:29,224 --> 01:51:34,061
Let me just go to my
YouTube and see, like, Oh, no,
2018
01:51:34,061 --> 01:51:38,817
we have been lately.
That's the only. Yeah.
2019
01:51:38,817 --> 01:51:40,694
I found this one.
You might be interested in it.
2020
01:51:40,694 --> 01:51:43,154
It's called a micro mouse.
What is it? And it's.
2021
01:51:43,154 --> 01:51:47,158
Basically the. Robotics
when it was first,
2022
01:51:47,158 --> 01:51:49,243
people were first
starting to realise like,
2023
01:51:49,243 --> 01:51:51,787
oh, we can use computer chips
and we can put them on
2024
01:51:51,787 --> 01:51:55,207
physical things and make robots.
And it was this competition
2025
01:51:55,207 --> 01:51:58,837
where you'd have a, a maze.
It would be the, I don't know,
2026
01:51:58,837 --> 01:52:02,006
like two by two or three by three
made a table or
2027
01:52:02,006 --> 01:52:04,926
something like that
and you would have to
2028
01:52:04,926 --> 01:52:07,970
just put your mouse, your mouse.
And there were these
2029
01:52:07,970 --> 01:52:10,931
kind of big clunky
things, ten centimetres,
2030
01:52:10,931 --> 01:52:13,016
20 centimetres by 20
centimetres robots,
2031
01:52:13,016 --> 01:52:15,603
and they would have to try
and get to the of the maze
2032
01:52:15,603 --> 01:52:19,274
as quickly as possible.
And you couldn't touch it.
2033
01:52:19,274 --> 01:52:22,902
You could only pre-program it
with rules, you know, go forward
2034
01:52:22,902 --> 01:52:25,947
if you hit a wall, turn right,
if you do this way, do this.
2035
01:52:25,947 --> 01:52:28,699
And you have to of course,
this is when like algorithms
2036
01:52:28,699 --> 01:52:33,704
start coming into it and
they start creating heuristics
2037
01:52:33,704 --> 01:52:37,125
and it's really fascinating
watching the evolution of these
2038
01:52:37,125 --> 01:52:41,755
big clunky machines to these
like tiny ten centimetre
2039
01:52:41,755 --> 01:52:45,632
by ten now and like
two centimetres is robots,
2040
01:52:45,632 --> 01:52:48,927
which they have to use vacuuming
to suck them to the floor
2041
01:52:48,927 --> 01:52:52,599
because they can go so fast
around corners that they're just
2042
01:52:52,599 --> 01:52:56,351
like literally zipping
through. Fascinating man.
2043
01:52:56,351 --> 01:52:59,189
I just got caught into
the same was like, Holy crap,
2044
01:52:59,189 --> 01:53:03,318
this is amazing. Yeah. Like,
I just, I just ended up
2045
01:53:03,318 --> 01:53:07,322
like, looking at, like a lot of
random stuff and then like,
2046
01:53:07,322 --> 01:53:12,034
fall into rabbit holes.
And due to that,
2047
01:53:13,161 --> 01:53:16,122
I one of them enough
to seen that before.
2048
01:53:16,122 --> 01:53:20,502
But I sent it to a friend for fun
and then I just started
2049
01:53:20,502 --> 01:53:23,171
getting videos about it
of course because of the
2050
01:53:23,171 --> 01:53:25,923
like the algorithm stuff
that is hobby seeing if you know,
2051
01:53:25,923 --> 01:53:30,845
I know what be harder things
and really weird. I think it's a
2052
01:53:30,845 --> 01:53:35,432
Finnish concept,
so it's basically for teenagers.
2053
01:53:35,432 --> 01:53:40,020
So it's basically like,
you know, like kind of
2054
01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:42,148
you'd imagine it's
from like 100 years ago,
2055
01:53:42,148 --> 01:53:43,774
there's a stick with a horse
shadow on it,
2056
01:53:43,774 --> 01:53:45,734
and then you pretend
to run rider on the horse
2057
01:53:45,734 --> 01:53:47,737
when you were a child.
Yeah, yeah. So there are
2058
01:53:47,737 --> 01:53:50,405
entire competitions of this
where you kind of like you run
2059
01:53:50,405 --> 01:53:53,952
with like a horse stick
between your legs
2060
01:53:53,952 --> 01:53:56,621
and you kind of gallop
like a horse, and then you jump
2061
01:53:56,621 --> 01:54:02,585
across the obstacle. Nice,
because there's like Paco, but.
2062
01:54:02,585 --> 01:54:06,046
Not even like, is it?
It's all kind of shit.
2063
01:54:06,046 --> 01:54:08,466
Like because like they, I guess
it's for children,
2064
01:54:08,466 --> 01:54:10,844
I guess they love it.
It's like kind of the,
2065
01:54:12,345 --> 01:54:14,471
the stereotype of the
horse girl that maybe,
2066
01:54:14,471 --> 01:54:17,015
maybe loves to do this
sort of things, but it's
2067
01:54:17,015 --> 01:54:19,726
it's a thing in Finland
and it's like it's not just like
2068
01:54:19,726 --> 01:54:21,895
a few people that do it,
the other competitions
2069
01:54:21,895 --> 01:54:23,730
and meetups and stuff,
and they all come
2070
01:54:23,730 --> 01:54:26,943
with like their stick
with a horse head on and like
2071
01:54:26,943 --> 01:54:28,862
they have dressed it up and stuff
and then like
2072
01:54:28,862 --> 01:54:31,573
they run around the arena
and they jump across things
2073
01:54:31,573 --> 01:54:35,158
and it's just like, Whoa.
Yeah, okay, gotcha. Yeah. So it's
2074
01:54:35,158 --> 01:54:37,203
sort of like a sport
as well. Yeah, there's.
2075
01:54:37,203 --> 01:54:40,873
There's a money going into this.
I find as big money
2076
01:54:40,873 --> 01:54:43,667
in this sense. Well,
I guess another
2077
01:54:43,667 --> 01:54:45,920
not another rabbit hole
I'm going into lately.
2078
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,841
It's just like various colours.
I'm trying learning how to colour
2079
01:54:49,841 --> 01:54:53,051
origami papers. So basically half
my apartment is just like
2080
01:54:53,051 --> 01:54:55,721
an origami laboratory
now with like. Yeah,
2081
01:54:55,721 --> 01:54:58,765
that was one on the top left.
I think that of your
2082
01:54:58,765 --> 01:55:01,810
the a video that. Oh yeah. Yeah.
There's a couple of there
2083
01:55:01,810 --> 01:55:04,479
and I have like
this is a new project
2084
01:55:04,479 --> 01:55:09,359
that I have going on so but yeah.
You started
2085
01:55:09,359 --> 01:55:12,070
origami as a kid right. Yeah.
I've been doing that
2086
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:14,698
for a long time. Yeah.
I just folded like any kid,
2087
01:55:14,698 --> 01:55:16,951
but then I continue
to do bit in my teens.
2088
01:55:16,951 --> 01:55:20,246
And then around 19,
I bought like an advanced book.
2089
01:55:20,246 --> 01:55:23,416
And then later on,
I just got into doing more,
2090
01:55:23,416 --> 01:55:26,085
more actual complex stuff.
And then I began designing
2091
01:55:26,085 --> 01:55:28,880
my own last year,
and that's taking off completely.
2092
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:32,675
So now it's like I'm trying out
like some of the colours over
2093
01:55:32,675 --> 01:55:35,677
there are for dyeing clothes,
some are like acrylic ink,
2094
01:55:35,677 --> 01:55:38,805
some are watercolour inks,
somewhat like alcohol
2095
01:55:38,805 --> 01:55:40,725
based colours,
some are like methanol
2096
01:55:40,725 --> 01:55:43,895
based colours. And I'm trying to
find the best way
2097
01:55:43,895 --> 01:55:46,480
to colour to pay for the best
possible way.
2098
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:51,402
So it is in this project.
It is awesome. Yeah.
2099
01:55:51,402 --> 01:55:53,695
I'm just passing
like hundreds of euros
2100
01:55:53,695 --> 01:55:57,908
and colours. I would probably
never use it, but it's great.
2101
01:55:57,908 --> 01:55:59,534
So I have.
People think you're like
2102
01:55:59,534 --> 01:56:00,994
creating like a myth
then or something
2103
01:56:00,994 --> 01:56:03,288
and you're like, No, no, no.
It's just colours. Like it's
2104
01:56:03,288 --> 01:56:06,250
probably better if.
It's just a myth. Then it's more
2105
01:56:06,250 --> 01:56:12,756
socially acceptable. What?
Yeah, My final. Question is, so,
2106
01:56:12,756 --> 01:56:14,634
you know, if you,
if you are starting
2107
01:56:14,634 --> 01:56:17,011
to do less hand standing stuff
and you're talking about,
2108
01:56:17,011 --> 01:56:20,139
you know, the obsession and,
and really getting into
2109
01:56:20,139 --> 01:56:22,475
these sorts of things,
do you think they'll be
2110
01:56:22,475 --> 01:56:24,394
something else that'll crop
up in your life
2111
01:56:24,394 --> 01:56:29,649
that will eventually consume you
as much as is hand balancing does
2112
01:56:29,649 --> 01:56:32,734
does as has Emmett
tried to get you into like
2113
01:56:32,734 --> 01:56:36,405
the jungle culture? And.
You know, I would say that
2114
01:56:36,405 --> 01:56:42,119
right now origami does that like
yeah by far I'm more almost like
2115
01:56:42,119 --> 01:56:47,082
or not more but equally much like
since in September last year
2116
01:56:47,082 --> 01:56:49,335
I've decided how many models one,
two, three, four,
2117
01:56:49,335 --> 01:56:51,421
five, six, seven, eight,
nine, ten, 11, 12,
2118
01:56:51,421 --> 01:56:57,010
13, 14, 17, 18, 19.
Models so designed
2119
01:56:57,010 --> 01:57:00,137
since September
of like high complexity
2120
01:57:00,137 --> 01:57:06,144
and very young. Fantastic. So
I'm I'm really really
2121
01:57:06,144 --> 01:57:08,186
into that and that's
that's the colouring
2122
01:57:08,186 --> 01:57:10,105
of the papers
and like paper types
2123
01:57:10,105 --> 01:57:14,359
and so that like just became
like a huge obsession and I
2124
01:57:14,359 --> 01:57:15,987
it's not really something
that competes
2125
01:57:15,987 --> 01:57:19,448
with attention with like
and single training out for sure.
2126
01:57:19,448 --> 01:57:22,409
Me like always interested
in staying physically active.
2127
01:57:22,409 --> 01:57:25,121
I really like basically
the training and all
2128
01:57:25,121 --> 01:57:27,497
that is just like
kind of a ritual for me
2129
01:57:27,497 --> 01:57:30,960
that is very important in my life
and feels really nice to do
2130
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,671
and like it
just contributes to me
2131
01:57:33,671 --> 01:57:41,136
having a good time. I'd say
so, but yeah, I do like
2132
01:57:41,136 --> 01:57:47,560
fascinating things and, but yeah,
being physically active
2133
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,395
and I guess like I'm definitely
not stopping. I'm balancing
2134
01:57:50,395 --> 01:57:53,315
anytime soon on
or perhaps ever just
2135
01:57:53,315 --> 01:57:56,735
it's, it's, it's nice nice to do
and I have some part of my
2136
01:57:56,735 --> 01:57:58,154
even though
it doesn't always need to
2137
01:57:58,154 --> 01:58:01,282
kind of be the main focus. Yeah.
Do you reckon
2138
01:58:01,282 --> 01:58:03,618
you could burn out with
origami like, you know
2139
01:58:03,618 --> 01:58:08,038
your fingers are bleeding,
you get a thing.
2140
01:58:08,914 --> 01:58:14,753
So I mean, like, I guess.
Yes, it's like, um, one thing
2141
01:58:14,753 --> 01:58:17,798
if like is, if you're only full,
if you're folding only you're not
2142
01:58:17,798 --> 01:58:21,886
like you're looking for a new
model to fold and then like,
2143
01:58:21,886 --> 01:58:24,305
you might be like bored or not
find any interesting ones.
2144
01:58:24,305 --> 01:58:26,265
But the cool
thing about designing
2145
01:58:26,265 --> 01:58:28,810
my own is that like,
like, for example,
2146
01:58:28,810 --> 01:58:31,270
this follow thing
I showed you right here is like,
2147
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:34,940
this is like this is it is
it is extremely specific
2148
01:58:34,940 --> 01:58:37,068
and it's like it's the expression
of an idea.
2149
01:58:37,068 --> 01:58:41,823
I had an idea of like,
can I fold? Not subject.
2150
01:58:41,823 --> 01:58:46,118
Yes, maybe. How do I go?
How do I go about it?
2151
01:58:46,118 --> 01:58:49,704
What's the size of the paper?
How big of a grids do I need?
2152
01:58:49,704 --> 01:58:52,917
How can I get all of the details
or even all the details possible
2153
01:58:52,917 --> 01:58:54,877
to make on a sheet?
What will that
2154
01:58:54,877 --> 01:58:57,462
what kind of colour
do I want it to have? Like,
2155
01:58:57,462 --> 01:58:59,590
how do I want it
to express that It's
2156
01:58:59,590 --> 01:59:02,385
then it's like it's a huge
kind of process of thinking.
2157
01:59:02,385 --> 01:59:06,639
So many like various
interesting parameters in that.
2158
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:08,599
That's what makes it
really fascinating for me
2159
01:59:08,599 --> 01:59:11,601
that it's like
an all encompassing thing
2160
01:59:11,601 --> 01:59:14,564
where you, where you, where you,
you start the process
2161
01:59:14,564 --> 01:59:18,734
by choosing the type
of paper and colours and so on.
2162
01:59:18,734 --> 01:59:21,820
And then all the way into kind of
the detailing of it. Whereas
2163
01:59:21,820 --> 01:59:24,073
if you're basically folding
like a semi complex
2164
01:59:24,073 --> 01:59:26,617
model, you're like,
I take the sheet they have,
2165
01:59:26,617 --> 01:59:29,203
let's see if I can figure out
how they're,
2166
01:59:29,203 --> 01:59:33,416
how the designer has, has done
the folding procedure.
2167
01:59:33,416 --> 01:59:35,083
But when you
start from the bottom,
2168
01:59:35,083 --> 01:59:36,711
this is much more kind
of rewarding and
2169
01:59:36,711 --> 01:59:39,838
interesting, I think.
Yeah, we'll check in
2170
01:59:39,838 --> 01:59:43,717
in seven years time
and I feel like it wasn't helpful
2171
01:59:43,717 --> 01:59:48,764
designing a model once a week,
52 weeks a year. They thought.
2172
01:59:48,764 --> 01:59:53,560
Maybe I should. Have chilled out.
Yeah. Yeah, for. So. Did Mikael.
2173
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,479
Thanks so much for your time.
And I really, really did
2174
01:59:55,479 --> 01:59:58,274
enjoy this.
Just if there's anywhere
2175
01:59:58,274 --> 02:00:00,109
that you wanted to add,
did you have any
2176
02:00:00,109 --> 02:00:01,944
questions for me? Actually,
is there anything you want
2177
02:00:01,944 --> 02:00:06,865
to ask me? And yeah, there was
maybe a little bit
2178
02:00:06,865 --> 02:00:08,408
late in the book.
I have to ask you,
2179
02:00:08,408 --> 02:00:11,621
like loads of questions.
No, but yeah. How did you get
2180
02:00:11,621 --> 02:00:16,125
into all this? Maybe so, Yes.
The hand. Balancing.
2181
02:00:16,125 --> 02:00:23,423
In particular, I suppose, was. I.
Did so as I was saying,
2182
02:00:23,423 --> 02:00:25,509
like before I was
I was really scrawny
2183
02:00:25,509 --> 02:00:30,055
and weak and playing
soccer didn't like help that
2184
02:00:30,055 --> 02:00:34,769
it made me scrawny
and fit I guess. But I always had
2185
02:00:34,769 --> 02:00:38,439
some like body issues. And so
I joined the gym when I was 20
2186
02:00:38,439 --> 02:00:41,317
and I actually did a
fair bit of yoga
2187
02:00:41,317 --> 02:00:44,444
at the same time, which was
how I kind of got
2188
02:00:44,444 --> 02:00:48,032
accidentally good at compression
without it being something
2189
02:00:48,032 --> 02:00:51,118
I was really working on.
It was just I just was doing
2190
02:00:51,118 --> 02:00:54,997
a lot of yoga. So I did gym
for a couple of years,
2191
02:00:54,997 --> 02:00:57,917
realised like
this isn't really for me.
2192
02:00:57,917 --> 02:00:59,460
Moved into
more callisthenics stuff.
2193
02:00:59,460 --> 02:01:03,338
And then I actually
what really drove me was
2194
02:01:03,338 --> 02:01:04,798
I was planning
on a big trip across
2195
02:01:04,798 --> 02:01:09,636
Latin America and I wanted to
keep exercising, but you know,
2196
02:01:09,636 --> 02:01:12,014
I had gymnastics rings
that I could take with me,
2197
02:01:12,014 --> 02:01:14,557
but it was like it
meant handstands are great.
2198
02:01:14,557 --> 02:01:17,435
You can do them anywhere.
And so, yeah,
2199
02:01:17,435 --> 02:01:20,189
I kind of pick them up
and started getting into them.
2200
02:01:20,189 --> 02:01:25,735
And I had seen that Cirque
du Soleil show before this, but
2201
02:01:25,735 --> 02:01:27,570
and I remember there was a
one armed dude on
2202
02:01:27,570 --> 02:01:31,199
this big cage thing was the
one of the African Cirque
2203
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,536
du Soleil is I can't remember
what it was called.
2204
02:01:33,536 --> 02:01:37,664
And I remember seeing him and
it was impressive. It was really,
2205
02:01:37,664 --> 02:01:41,918
really cool. But it didn't
strike me as. Like.
2206
02:01:41,918 --> 02:01:45,088
Wow, I need to do that
or anything like that.
2207
02:01:45,088 --> 02:01:48,759
But then one day
here in Brisbane, probably
2208
02:01:48,759 --> 02:01:50,845
it was during COVID,
so it's was probably two
2209
02:01:50,845 --> 02:01:53,514
and a bit years ago
I just went to my local
2210
02:01:53,514 --> 02:01:54,890
Callisthenics park,
which is where
2211
02:01:54,890 --> 02:01:57,935
I went to do handstands,
and this random dude showed up
2212
02:01:58,935 --> 02:02:02,439
and I was just
like chatting with him. And then
2213
02:02:02,439 --> 02:02:04,692
he started doing handstands.
I was like, Oh, this guy's
2214
02:02:04,692 --> 02:02:06,777
pretty flexible, Oh, this guy's
pretty good.
2215
02:02:06,777 --> 02:02:12,073
And he's like, Oh, yeah,
Miguel Santana. And then I was
2216
02:02:12,073 --> 02:02:15,703
I was just like, watching him
do a one arm. And it was that,
2217
02:02:15,703 --> 02:02:18,997
you know, like I was talking
about the isometric that just,
2218
02:02:18,997 --> 02:02:22,376
just dead still. And he was just
doing his warmups, you know,
2219
02:02:22,376 --> 02:02:24,920
one minute on one arm,
one minute on the other.
2220
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:27,131
And I just went like,
fuck me, I need to do
2221
02:02:27,131 --> 02:02:30,676
this is a coalition it out.
So yeah, that that's, that's
2222
02:02:30,676 --> 02:02:32,470
what really, really
kind of inspired me
2223
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:35,472
to be like, Yeah. Okay. This is
I'm willing to spend
2224
02:02:35,472 --> 02:02:40,185
a lot of time trying to get big.
That's good. Good place to end.
2225
02:02:40,185 --> 02:02:44,314
What do you what do you want
to direct? People, my friends,
2226
02:02:44,314 --> 02:02:47,650
What if people are
more interested in enhanced
2227
02:02:47,650 --> 02:02:49,444
or if they want to know?
I don't know. Do you
2228
02:02:49,444 --> 02:02:51,154
do you have like a page
for origami as well?
2229
02:02:51,154 --> 02:02:55,242
I know. That's the.
Acronym. Yeah. That's like the
2230
02:02:55,242 --> 02:03:00,122
motto on Soul. Soul folder
is the name of that one.
2231
02:03:00,122 --> 02:03:03,501
Maybe put your up for them
in the description. Yeah.
2232
02:03:03,501 --> 02:03:06,670
I'll put some links. Yeah.
Yeah. Mine. Michael Balancing
2233
02:03:06,670 --> 02:03:09,047
and the handstand factory.
Of course, if you're interested
2234
02:03:09,047 --> 02:03:13,051
in any of our coaching material,
including me
2235
02:03:13,051 --> 02:03:17,347
and the Emmett Lewis.
So yeah, yeah. Yeah.
2236
02:03:17,347 --> 02:03:20,225
And then if you like
Michael in podcast form,
2237
02:03:20,225 --> 02:03:23,270
there's the handstand
cost as well. So I would
2238
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:27,274
highly recommend that of um,
it was good preparation for,
2239
02:03:27,274 --> 02:03:30,194
for, for, for this.
I've definitely listened
2240
02:03:30,194 --> 02:03:32,113
to hundreds of hours of
you here already,
2241
02:03:33,279 --> 02:03:36,117
which is why I know
you're witnesses now. I guess.
