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It's time to change up my life.

After a whirlwind journey through Brazil and New Zealand, I'm back in Brisbane and ready to dive into my annual goals. This #458 'Meanderings' episode marks a transition as we move towards more structured musings in the future. I share my eight core goals, focusing on areas like relationships, financial stability, health, spirituality, travel, character development, and knowledge/skills acquisition. My top priorities include finding a lifelong partner and mastering the one-arm handstand, which will take up the majority of my time and effort.

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[00:00:05] Kyrin Down:

Oh, yeah.   I hope this is coming through. Good for everyone.   Welcome, everyone, to another mere mortals meanderings. I'm going to call this like the last meanderings.   We'll do musings again. I think going forward, we'll fix the topic and get more into it. I am back here in Brisbane   after   traveling the world through Brazil. I was in New Zealand for the last 2 weeks, so that is why Juan has been putting out episodes. Thank you very much for that one.   Media models meanderings   is where we dove into a topic. It's a little bit free form.   This one I do actually have. It's a transition episode because it's going to be about my annual goals. So every October,   October 1st is when I start new batch of annual goals looking to recently.  

Yeah. So 6 days ago from now. Yeah. So we're recording on the 6th October   10:32 am not  

[00:00:57] Juan Granados:

actually to as actual 10:32. Yeah.  

[00:00:59] Kyrin Down:

I got I got my times mixed up. So   going forward, we'll also be recording on a Sunday morning. We'll probably need to figure that out ourselves what time in particular. But that that's going to be the, the plan for the mere mortals. I think just just before we get into the goals as well,   it'll be more consistent obviously because I'm here now so   we can focus a bit more on improving quality and things. But   as you listen to my goals, you might notice there's a bit of a lack of mere mortals   mentioning.  

[00:01:31] Juan Granados:

And so I'll I'll touch upon that at the at the very end as well. 1, do you wanna say anything? No. I think if you if you look at this at the if you're listening to it live, which I know at least mom always, but for others or if you're looking at visually especially as well, any improvements we've obviously trying to set up now, this is my place, a   more established corner, if you will, where the conversation is gonna be happening. So   I'll be doing more of my individual ones set up this way as well. We'll be doing interviews.   You'll see Nick Blair's conversation come out in a couple of days as well, which will be sort of situated in here. So if you've got any advice, any improvements, anything in the back end that you'd like to see as well? Because I was actually thinking of putting,   bookshelves in in that here, but then I'm looking at the spacing as well and whether I do it or not. Regardless,   I wanna try and improve this quarter. It's gonna become like a podcast corner. Better for a poster there. Yeah. Yep. There you go. It'll just be a big face of me and Karen perhaps so you can see double up. Yeah. Me and Karen will say, man. I'm not sure. But   get ready for more regularity, more conversations,   more in person. Probably, it's it's just easier as well when we're in person than it is when we're online. So much easier.  



[00:02:34] Kyrin Down:

So now with that, I think we're gonna rock and roll. Yeah. Beautiful. Alright. The Karen's annual goals. So as usual, I've got 8 and the focused around my my kind of core principles. So a quick recap for that one is related to partner finding basically a lifelong   partner.   2nd is related to relationships,   friends, family   and things like that.   3rd is financial. So just making sure I've got my financial   stability   in order.   4th is related to health.   And so this is just general health fitness falls under this category.   5th   is spirituality.  

I think   it's more related to,   I guess mentally having a good   path going forward facing the difficulties of life, things like that.   6 is   travel.   I'm trying to get them in the right order. I know them all.   6 would be travel. So this is just related to general travel,   making sure I enjoy it when I go. What's the purpose of traveling?   Am I getting the most out of it, especially when it's a big amount of time? I was obviously in Brazil for 6 months, so,   related to that   7th is character.   So just building character   as a person. So personal development, and then 8th is   knowledge slash skills. So the the things that will help me achieve all the others and good, I guess, hobbies would also fall under that category. He can talk after the question for you actually as quickly. Out of those, I guess,  

[00:04:06] Juan Granados:

if you had to go in blank gun to your head, what's the number 1?  

[00:04:10] Kyrin Down:

Well, funny, you should say that because the   release   release. Yeah, the first one 20 25 goals   for partner   is maximizing surface area for serendipity.   Okay, so that's that's number 1. That's the number 1. That's the number 1.   I've got right down here,   finding a partner and one arm handstand above all else. So   there's, you know,   6 through 8, oh, sorry, 23   through 8 as as there's goals for those, but number 12,   that's that's,   you know, probably going to be 80% of my my time and effort is is on those things and everything else   is   I don't want to say supplementary, but it's   those,   I'm going to try and fit in around other things. But if it comes to like,   you know,   things that I'm doing for   finance, for example, and it's taking away from   helping me achieve those first two   of the one arm handstand and finding a partner, then I'll I'll have to do things differently. Okay, so   so   in changing my goals, if you'd looked in the past, I've always just had like a little one liner. And   I was going through probably   5 years worth of goals recently, annual goals, and just looking at them and they've always just been these little one liner things.  

And what I noticed from those was I look back at, you know, 2022, for example, and go,   I kind of think I know what I was talking about then.   But, you know, that was that was, you know, 2, 3 years ago. It's a little bit hazy, a little bit blurry. Right. Okay. Like you like you reviewing what you wrote for 2022. Yeah. Now being like And it's not it's not as clear. If I went back to the podcast episodes, I think it would be clearer. Yeah. Because I would explain it. But just for myself, I decided I'll add some,   you know, some some brackets and just additional things that'll help me   remind me of what exactly it was that I was I was doing here are things to think about. So a lot of these will actually transition probably into monthly goals.  

So   for this, I've got, you know, get out as much as possible, value yourself fairly separating sex from choosing a girl,   Be long term picky immediately.   Fun and friendly. Don't rush it. Devil may care attitude. DGAF.  

[00:06:34] Juan Granados:

Do you know what that means? DGAF. I feel like I've seen it before. Is it just don't give a fuck? That's  

[00:06:40] Kyrin Down:

disassociation.   So all of those are just related to   I guess there was a lot of things I was realizing in Brazil,   which was   like, this is this is not the place that I'm going to find   a girl.   I mentioned it to you just before, but there was there was probably one person I met who I would go, okay, you know, there was maybe a little bit of long term potential there and   it just didn't work out because I was traveling to the US a day later, 2 days later. So   every but apart from that, everyone else I met, it was either okay, this would be a short term thing   or it would just be so extremely difficult in the long term. And even just cultural differences, language differences.  

Just difficult. Yeah, very difficult. You know, fun and friendly. I've been less fun and friendly because speaking in Portuguese is really hard. And so I can imagine when I was Have they felt nice to speaking English for a little while? It's been pretty good. I mean, honestly, when I was in since the US   when I was back in Brazil, I was mostly just talking with Lucas. I would say it was still probably 70, 30 English to Portuguese. So yeah, I really took the foot off the gas in terms of   the Portuguese language learning and getting better at it. And I noticed like,   I,   I'm getting lazy. I don't particularly want to. Wish it was hard. Yeah. Yeah. So   so yeah, that's, that's probably the big one. What I've kind of learned I think from last year, which was, you know, similar type goal of trying to find a girl   was I think I was I was forcing it a bit too much,   is what I would say.  

Okay. Mindset wasn't in the great place. Everything that was going on with mum. I'm glad I didn't meet someone. Yeah. So it's   it's now more okay. You know,   I don't want to force it. I don't I don't want to be like   the dude at the bar buying drinks for every girl, like trying to meet everyone, trying to trying to do that. But,   I do. It's more about changing my   habits, my routine so that I'm going out more. I'm being fun and friendly, not with just with girls and just like putting it on, but for everyone, for groups, for single people, for with my brother, you know, just just trying to,   live   become become, I guess, like an attractive person in the sense of   when I was with Lucas, he's a lot of fun to be around. He's just fun, friendly. He's always chatting with everyone. He loves training outdoors   so that he can meet people and talk with people all the time. And it's like, okay,   I can see why this is attractive. And really,   I want more of that attitude in my life. Okay, that's that's number 1. Maximizing  

[00:09:18] Juan Granados:

service area for serendipity. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So  

[00:09:22] Kyrin Down:

good memory. So relationships   solidify and expand slightly. So this is honestly   I think another thing was from travel this last year that I realized was   making new friends is   at this age, it's getting harder. It's it's getting harder. And I honestly don't really want it as much. So   there's so there's only so much time and you know, I've got   good friends here and   it's getting harder to find time to spend with them. So  

[00:09:52] Juan Granados:

let alone you're building new more new that's like the energy gets diverted into all the multiples and then you have to go and yep, please and have time to make for people and stuff like that. Now if I had,  

[00:10:04] Kyrin Down:

you know, problems in my life and I had I realized my friend group were toxic or they were, they were, they were all having, you know, drinking lots. And I was therefore going out with them and drinking with them. And I wanted to not be drinking or things like this. It'd be a problem. But   now I'm cool with my friend group. It's nothing that I really would want to change about them. So it's more about just spending the time and doing that. So I've got things like   organize more get togethers, be more attentive to changes with them as well.   And one that happened recently was   my brother got pretty sick for about 2 weeks. And, you know, I'm just in Brazil just doing my thing. We talk on average every 2 weeks when I was there. So,   I completely missed just how   he had a really bad time. Like, he got depressed. It was   feeling really shit,   really bad.  

And I just completely   didn't even realize it. So and it kind of shocked me when I found out like, oh, shit.   Yeah, I didn't didn't even know. So   there was probably a couple of things I could have seen where I was like, oh, okay, maybe I should have checked in a little bit with him. So doing that with other friends as well, making sure I'm checking in   and   if that the things are changing and being more aware of that, being Okay, looking at that,   I do want to try and meet some more people, especially foreigners.   So   meet more some foreigners, set aside dedicated time. And this one I think as well, finding activities that   reinforce the deeper bonding because you can catch up with friends, but it'll be in a loud bar. Yeah. And high level catch ups. Yeah. Yeah. So I'd rather ones where, you know, maybe for some people, this will require   more one on one time rather meeting in a group setting.  

Being  

[00:12:05] Juan Granados:

well, here's here's a clear example, I guess.   And for me more or less at home, maybe maybe you've seen this transition. If you haven't, you will see it. Because now friendship group. Everyone's running well,   there's no there's   no   no clear distinction of when it happened, but we were we were much of a friendship group that would go out at night or go for dinner. Sometimes, most often it was drinks, drinks at someone's house, drinks at someone's place, drinks out and about. And that started to transition quite heavily. But the example is in a couple of weeks, we're gonna be heading down to see Joey, Joey from episode 5. Yep. If you can remember, for me more or just wanna go back, but we're gonna see him before he becomes a dad. In my end, I was like, look, I know what it's like to become a dad. I know what happens in terms of the availability of your time. Time. How often we're going to see him might even decrease in the immediacy that comes from it. Absolutely. But I also went, you know, we're going to go down there for a little bit longer than a weekend, with a few other people and kind of what you're talking about there is one of the things that we can do where it's   an overall   engaging   time in that, hey, how do we maximize us having chats and that doesn't look like like my immediate thought now is not   oh yeah, we'll go to a bar in that time and we'll look forward, we'll go bar hopping. That doesn't come to mind. What comes to mind is   darts or   a pool game or   going to a particular cafe and hanging around for a couple of hours or tennis golf, all those little things where it's activities and things that encourage us having conversations   and connection as opposed to just   being with the other friends while you're actually doing some other random activity. It's kind of like separate. I'm not there for the activity. I'm there for the person, but the activity facilitates   being more closer to the person than it does the activity sake, I guess it is. So is that transition, I think, which has happened in our friendship group in the last couple of years? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yep.  



[00:13:58] Kyrin Down:

Next one financial be decisive   and stay calm, rational and skeptical as well. So rational all in a Bitcoin rational.   Yeah. I've for those who don't know,   I've taken   what I guess for some people would seem as extremely risky.   The amount of research and time I've put in   my if if the   bet on I guess like crypto in general doesn't work out,   then my   I've obviously got much more bigger problems because my worldview is completely distorted is essentially where I'm at. So   I'm expecting it to do well over this next year just with money printing and all the crazy stuff,   liquidity going up.  

But it's also now now I've kind of put my bet on the table. It's now just time to step away and be like, all right. Let me do this thing. Yeah. Don't get caught up in the hype. Don't   chase things. Don't do anything silly. Just just let it run and   and   take some profit, which I've   been is that's been the hardest thing for me in the past. Honestly,   when it when I was,   when I had more stocks in the kind of like 20 tens period,   The only time I ever really had profit was when the company I was I was investing in just got bought out. And so I would I would add it and that's like forced profit as well. Yeah. So yeah, I was never really great at   going in and out of things, which   I'm not a trader, so   it's it's kind of hard. I'd rather just do a long term bet and this is more of a long term bet. But yeah, it's also  

[00:15:45] Juan Granados:

okay. But more more decisive in this of your maybe you've already  

[00:15:49] Kyrin Down:

you've already like going through a very deep detailed analysis just now. What just. Yep. So don't get swept up in the height. Keep up to date with the minimum. So just be head in the sand completely. But just just the minimum   strict limit enforcement and really building up a like a large emergency fund again, which has been drained a bit. So   good. That's been good. All right. Health,   one arm handstand to the detriment of all else.  

[00:16:15] Juan Granados:

Detriment. So I will we don't have it on the one hand. And so so I was saying to one before it's  

[00:16:23] Kyrin Down:

my friend Brendan,   who you can go back, I think we've done 3 or 4 episodes with them. Yeah. For interviews.   He had this moment when he was actually my age. So it was about 2 years ago where he had been trying the one arm handstand for a while and he said, you know, enough is enough. I'm   I'm doing it as now or never. I'm putting all my energy and effort into this   and I've kind of reached a similar point, which was   I thought I could get away, not get away. I thought I could learn the one arm handstand and be working stalker at the same time.   I thought I could,   learn it and also   be doing just some other difficult pike press and things like this.  

What I've kind of come to is like, Okay,   I got to give it everything. Everything is now related to it. So I'm not working on insurance. I'm not working on Stora. I'm not working   on backbends or anything else. Everything is going to be dedicated to it. And   probably the biggest thing is a   a shift in my mentality of training, which is   I'm also now accepting,   okay, I'm getting more injured more frequently   and I need to be more on top of rehab, prehab   and all these sorts of things. So   my   basic   training is now going to look like   4 or 5 sessions, probably 4 of 1 arm handstand a week   for a 2 hour block.  

And then   probably an hour of   rehab slash pre hab afterwards. So that'll be just related to everything.   Shoulder work, joints,   legs. I haven't done yet. Wrists, wrist prep.   My legs, my poor legs.   Are they on the camera? Thankfully, they're not. They they have not had a good workout for probably 6 months to 8 months now. They've been pleading for you to get back to the gym. Yeah. Come on. The great thing is I can still do hard stuff. You know, I can still do   a dragon squat easy.   But   yeah, they they need a little bit of work. They want some work. They want some work.  

[00:18:28] Juan Granados:

Just a quick quick one. I'm just keeping tabs on the YouTube side of things as well. We had Cole sent through a couple of messages to say hello from Mexico.   We didn't realize it was Mexican. You said, must be on a film. He came back in from the beach for the day. Wonderful to see you guys streaming together. Beautiful. Thank you. Much  

[00:18:44] Kyrin Down:

appreciated.   So   things related to this. So I've actually written do slightly less handstand work than normal. So because it's so hard, so draining. Right. It might be one of those. It's   yeah, I might   I might need to drop it back off. So if I'm doing 4 days a week and I'm finding this is really hard,   I have to be okay with dropping it back to 3. So it's like. Keeping it like intense and hard, but just going down in terms of volume. Maybe I'm planning Sunday rest days and maybe   Wednesday or Thursday as well. So 2 days a week of rest days and   on these days I might do something else. So I've also written, you know, drop yoga and general strength if needed.  

I still plan on doing morning stretching   and warm ups,   restudy with fresh eyes if needed, and then also golf and run  

[00:19:34] Juan Granados:

only if possible, because I had a little taste of golfing on New Zealand and it was a lot of fun. It was really, really fun. I'll make I'll make this claim now. I'm going to talk to my missus about this, but I would be prepared if one of those days works because we actually talked about this with my partner.   Would be cool to go for a round of golf and I'll bring along daughter as well. Like she can just sit in the. I was I was asking my dad about this. I said,  

[00:19:55] Kyrin Down:

does anyone ever bring the daughters or the anyone on the golf course? He's like, I don't think so. No. You could be a trailblazer in this respect. It'll be a trailblazer. Perhaps  

[00:20:05] Juan Granados:

you could try it out. Try it out once. See how bad it goes. Yeah. Expect it to be terrible and then see what it comes out. It might be good though. Maybe not 18. It'll be like, no, but you probably would be like running around the grass. I'll be end up working out. Maybe. Should probably have to stay in the pram to be honest. She hasn't stayed in the pram for we in fact,   haven't taken the pram   for 2 months now. Yeah, like she doesn't sit in the pram at all. Maybe just the driving range. She can go her she can drive.   I mean she can drive the she can drive the actual golf cart. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be doing golf carts. There's no way we'll be not doing golf carts. So anyways, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So it's good. And and you mentioned tennis before as well. So you know,   I'm well, we're calling it right now. So someone tell me if they're in Brisbane, there is a social   Wednesday or Thursday like tennis group. It's got to be, man. Like in an afternoon or something like that, I'd be keen to go to something like that.  



[00:20:54] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I mean,   there's all those courts at Morningside that's far for you, though. I'm sure there's one's closer. There's got to be all somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Anyways. Yes. Okay. Yep. Cool.  

[00:21:05] Juan Granados:

Should we take a break? Mention some boostograms and then we'll see that. Let me let me bring it up second half. So again, boostograms and look, I'm gonna be honest and I'm gonna be transparent.   From a valley felt valley perspective,   I think we've kept it going. We're still with the model, utilizing the model. How do you know that? We have no ads. I mean, not gonna have any ads, but I'll probably say we haven't put as much effort into that for a little while. Right? Again, you've been traveling and we've been doing things. So we'd have had support coming through. And we definitely thank the people who have supporting. But I just think we haven't.  

[00:21:34] Kyrin Down:

It's our fault. Well, you know, it's been   3 weeks since we've done a live. Correct. Correct.  

[00:21:40] Juan Granados:

And so because of that, there's only 1,   one, one that I'm gonna call out and actually came through on the 2nd October.   And it's from Comic Comic. Oh, wait. So it's 2,222   sat sent using fountain and he says   memory   is so tricky. They change with experiences like in the Pixar movie Inside Out. I haven't seen that.   Emotion is   tied to them. It's good. And that emotion might not be healthy. Hold on to. I usually will make an audio recording or I tell myself to remember the moment I'm living. Maybe there's a bigger purpose to the way our brains remember things. Now it's 2,222   sets quacks.  



[00:22:12] Kyrin Down:

So using fancy. Did we do the one before that as well? So it has been 2 weeks. Yes, we did. Yeah. That did call our pizzas. Congratulations.  

[00:22:19] Juan Granados:

Awesome. Great.  

[00:22:21] Kyrin Down:

Thank you, Cole. Thank you very much for anyone who is wondering meremodelspodcast.com/support.   And we've got   a list up there of apps that you could use to to help support us financially   to continue this podcast because this is value for value   and also a description of why we do it this way and why we don't have ads or sponsorships or anything like that. So we do rely on your support at home. So sending those in for content, for   support is very much appreciated. So thank you.  

[00:22:50] Juan Granados:

Random call that Sam said he also   streamed 10 sets for the value  

[00:22:56] Kyrin Down:

for value for value episode. And I'll talk about that soon.   So yeah. Yeah. Very much appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Cole, for that.   All right let's jump into the   remaining 4 here so I've got spirituality   maintain tranquil monk energy   notice I didn't say monk mode and   yeah not cultivated   driving if you can say monk man I was going to challenge him like no do not do that tranquil monk. So for those who don't know, monk mode is, I don't know. I've only heard this probably the last year where it's,   you it's it's a class potentially isolate yourself and work on your, like, intense personal development for   a period of time, 6 months,   a year, something like that. A lot of it seems to be very isolated as well from from what I gained. Hence the monk, Monika,   so no, what I was feeling in Brazil,   especially my last week or 2 there,   I was just very tranquil. It was really good headspace. I felt like,   everything that happened with mum had been, you know, I'd gotten over, I guess, since or at least the really hard parts.  

The   I certainly was, you know, white crying less, that's for sure.   And,   my trip to the US would be really enlightening or to the States to North America.   I've been enlightening in the sense of like, holy shit, there's, you know, a whole bunch of people here who   I've just been Internet friends with, but, you know, they're willing to house me. They're willing to show me around, spend time with me. They really went out of their way to spend time with me. Cole being one of them.   And that gave me just a, you know, a lot of,   I wouldn't say a confidence boost per se, but,   it made me feel really grateful.  

Yeah. Everything, everything that's been going on. Life is good. So   I want to keep that that kind of energy going. I've also got cultivate a driving purpose, which is,   I guess in the sense of   focusing   on the goals more and   not not getting waylaid by by mental things. So really going like, okay,   waking up today. What am I going to do today?   Yeah.   Not every day is going to be hard grind anything like that grinds it.   There was I heard of word before suffering porn. Have you ever been Porn?  

[00:25:14] Juan Granados:

No, I think I've heard it. But I get it's like,  

[00:25:17] Kyrin Down:

it was related to Gary Vee. And it was basically like, you know, you work so hard, that it's suffering. And so it's, you know, it's porn of suffering of people, you know, going so hard, that sort of thing. So  

[00:25:31] Juan Granados:

I thought it was pretty funny. There's been a lot of online, like social algorithm, I guess, on Instagram, it's popped up. And it's a lot of   like, the video begins with a girl or someone else being, like, it's all good. Come. I really want a boyfriend and lay my head and the guys goes, like, then the black's gonna get bumped. Yeah. And then it's like Goggins or something like that and being like, sharp lock in. That's how fuck that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have funk music on top of that. Brilliant.  

[00:25:58] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not I'm not looking for that type of energy. But,   so   a couple of things I've written here, replace podcaster as identity. I guess I had that for a little bit,   where I was,   you know, if people ask me, you know, what do you do? Typically podcaster is how I would answer. And I think that's the slightly changing,   choose energy givers. So things that will give me energy utilize   psychological   tricks to be Zen like to have a bit more tranquility   morning meditation,   reflecting   and recording the good times as well. So   all of that putting together part of this was reading I went and read the,   it wasn't I've got so many journals and personal development things. I've put them all in this back folder on my on my hard drive. Your your own notes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so I have this main journal which I wrote in and was more of a personal reflections of the day, what I got up to, what I was thinking. And it was it was kind of that was basically the podcast before the podcast for me.  

And then I had all of these other things which were   energy   motivational things. So I used to be able to recite   the men in the arena speech,   all of these things. I used to read them every morning and would   kind of be like and this was particularly in a time period of   20, I'm going to say 20, 16, 2017.   And so this was when   I was really getting over work and working in the mines with Rio Tinto   and also, you know, trying to find a new partner after breaking up with my my first girlfriend.   And so this was a real   oh, yeah, kind of   that was a monk. That was like a grind grind period for me.  

And, you know, getting over social anxiety   approaching, man, I was approaching like, man, it was crazy.   So   I read   a period from that time of when I was writing and I was   I was   impressed. Honestly, I was impressed with me myself and going, woah, that was a completely different guy. And he had real drive. There was it was misguided. There was a lot of there was a lot of, there was a lack of wisdom in some ways. But man, yeah, I was working hard. I was working hard. And so I, I feel I probably want to get a bit more of that that drive, that energy again and then try and, you know, attach it to some wisdom that I've hopefully gotten over the last   last 7 years since since that kind of so   it was really fun reading that again and just going and honestly, there was all these things in my head that I completely got mixed up. I thought I only did promotional work after I left   the mining industry.  

I actually did some before I joined. So in 2014,   I, I end of 2013, start of 2014. I did some promotional work then, which I'd completely forgotten about. And I went, oh,   yeah, I remember this. I remember I did this for, you know, 2 or 3 months before I   joined joined, but I'd wow, I'd completely forgotten, you know, so it was really good reading back on that as well. So that's also hence the recording of times, you know,   for example, I want to spend some time and write how this last New Zealand trip was,   you know, the last 2 weeks   because I didn't have any time when I was there. I was always with my brother and dad. So   things like that. Travel,   this one I've got ability to switch languages rapidly. So this is probably   7th on the priority list. So it's it's way it's way, you know, even in the in the bottom section of it, it's way down.  

What I found was it's really hard switching languages. I thought I would be able to do it somewhat easily   between   Spanish and Portuguese. It is hard. It's actually it is hard. Yeah. It's because they're so similar.   Both have suffered because of it. For sure. So  

[00:30:01] Juan Granados:

I see as soon as right now in French and Italian, I'm suffering in the I'm probably at the equivalent point of both of them. And I can very much tell you I'm mixing things up in between 2 of them being like, oh, is it is it do you say that? And that's actually the Italian version, not the French version. And you get the others a lot of similarities.  

[00:30:19] Kyrin Down:

And that's causing some confusion and concerns. Yep. So what I'd like to do with this is learn how to keep Portionole   man, which is. You know, lemon. Portuguese,   Spanish and   German,   Aleman.   So I want to I want to kind of keep those levels. I know I'm not going to be fluent in any of them. I've accepted that. That's fine. Yep. Barely in English.   So what I'm going to do is I've still got a bunch of   Spanish, German and Portuguese books. Definitely intend on reading those,   retraining my German because   I funnily enough,   before I went to Brazil, I was actually planning on going to Germany that that year. And so I got German really good for it. It's just so weird because it feels like it's just passed, you know, it feels like that whole time period   probably because it was 2021, 2022   where   everything in that kind of time period blended.  

So   I've still got decent German in me, but it's I'm going to have to retrain it for sure. So   retraining that   and also   deciding kind of what competency   level I want to get at it, how much time I'm willing to put on it. You're saying last time perhaps you might pull back and how fluid you want to try and get. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think so.   Probably I'd get to a similar level with my Portuguese, which is I could communicate enough   enough to get frustrated.   I I guess   Get to the plateau is what I want. With Spanish, I got to the plateau.   And then I managed to claw my way to another plateau above that.  

Or probably to like the steepest point of the climb where it's just it's so difficult that you have to put in so much time. To do with it to keep it. Yep.   With with Spanish, it was, you know, you get up, you hit this plateau and you're still doing things, but it feels like nothing's happening. But there's still like a you get above it and then there's a gradual incline. You're like, okay, I'm actually   having fluent   conversations where I'm thinking in it, dreaming in it, this sort of thing. But I'm going to still struggle with individual words   that someone says individual topics, things like this.  

And then that's just the continual grind of, you know, getting to fluency is next to impossible   with with Portuguese.   I learned rapidly while I was there in Brazil, and then I hit the stage where it's like, okay, I need to study 2 hours a day if I really want to get better at this.   I'm not going to do that anymore. I've accepted that. So with German, I want to get to that stage where I can communicate.   It'll still be shit, but you still might get the odd compliment of someone saying like, oh, your German's really good   and that,   but it's not it's not going to be amazing. So yeah, that's that's basically the level I want to get to. And also,   replacing media with the second languages as well. So just really   doing doing the passive learning, I guess, of   do you mean listening to a podcast or something? So on the way here, I was just listening to a podcast and   in Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese.  



[00:33:24] Juan Granados:

So that's actually interestingly enough, the   this will probably happen in like, honestly, like I reckon a few months. But it seems that most   media where it's like YouTube or,   podcasts or any other form of media, you can   almost or as soon it'll become available where you'll be able to listen to it in whatever language you want. So it'll auto translate as you're listening to it. So you'll be able to basically listen to any of the current   stream of things that you do. But just in that you like in like that language that you want to choose with it. Yeah. And  

[00:33:55] Kyrin Down:

I don't know if I'd want to because   that's there's   good sides and downsides to that. I think so.   I'd try it out for sure and see how it goes. But yeah, no, no guaranteed that I would do that   but it is an option which is cool.   Character   restrain weak Kyren   strain  

[00:34:15] Juan Granados:

him. Strain weak Kyren.  

[00:34:17] Kyrin Down:

So with this one was was pretty much over the last year a couple of bad habits kept creeping back in. So   I   for example,   so it's not the worst thing in the world. I spent a lot of time on 9 gag recently.   It was great because there's a lot of funny things in there. Then there's also just a lot of like racist, stupid political   bullshit.   And   like, okay, well,   how how can I get the fun stuff without   without the other? I don't think it's possible.   And I did notice, okay, I'm at the point where I'm scrolling trying to find more funny stuff   and I've already juiced  

[00:34:54] Juan Granados:

juiced a lot of it. So like, what more do you want to get from it? I guess. Yeah.  

[00:34:59] Kyrin Down:

There was a period where I was watching a bit of porn again. It's like, this is just unhealthy. I need to quit that out. So,   really for this is making note of triggers leading to bad habits. What are the things that actually   do make me   slide back into something? Yep. Yep.   Unhelpful thoughts. So this would be things like fantasizing   catastrophizing.   For example, when my brother got sick,   immediately, I saw my mind go into like, catastrophe.   Yeah. He's gonna be like this for years. You know, who knows what could happen? He could be suicidal.   This could be you know, I'm gonna have to go home. I'm gonna have to change all of my goals this next year to help look after him all this sort of thing. Yep.  

That's like no. Thankfully thankfully I. Doesn't have it. I actually got much better. I really slice through that and that only lasted for maybe half a day, whereas in the past that could have lasted for weeks. Weeks.   And yeah, there's all sorts of things.   That   this still happens. And it's it's fucking annoying because you think you you get offbeat and then it comes again. Yep.   Yeah. Unproductive overthinking, poor priorities and low confidence. That was actually one thing that Peter said, which I've always known for a bit of time.   And, he was just saying, you know what? You sound much more confident on the podcast.  

And I think the reason for this. Yeah.   Yeah. And I think the reason for this is because I'm just really comfortable with you. So I don't mind challenging you on things. I don't mind interrupting you on things. I'm not hedging at all. Whereas I even noticed it with him. I would say something and he'd say, oh, no, I think the opposite of this. And then I'd already be kind of like   back down,   not backing down, but trying to justify it or saying extra things. I  

[00:36:45] Juan Granados:

haven't talked about this on the podcast yet about going to the world but I'll give you an opposite example of this. I was on this boat We're talking to this guy. We just finished seeing this guy for like 4 and a half hours. Yeah. I was talking to someone else in the group party that we went through. They were like kind of excited and they'd be like,   one of the guys has to be like, oh, so you know, if you got like 1 on 1, like, would you get 1 on 1, you know, if money wasn't object, would you get 1 on 1 with this guy to help you out with it? And I just looked them dead in the face. And I've been told these guys had dinner with them spat. It's just like, no, I just   said, no, like, that's it. I'll my answer. Let the pause for a little bit. Yeah. Until he was like,   why? And then I was like, explain to him why? But a little bit like I guess   I would see you can do it on the podcast really easily, but maybe in person kind of sounds like it might just be a,   like, a reactive of, oh,  

[00:37:32] Kyrin Down:

okay. I've always been like, I've always been like, right. Yeah. Yeah. That's I've never   You don't like confrontation. I hate conflict. I hate it. Yeah. So yeah, just trying to work on that a little bit.   Which,   you know, is it low confidence or is it just I say things and they come across as low confidence?   I don't know. It's probably a bit of both. Last one here, knowledge skills.   This is pretty much just learning how to use AI. So   I've   becoming more and more convinced. I've been hinting at this over the last year that it it's actually going to change a lot of things. It's not all   smoke and mirrors as some people might believe. I think there's it's going to genuinely change the world a lot.  

I think it's slightly overhyped in some ways. And then in other ways, I go, yeah, this is gonna this is gonna change a lot of things. So  

[00:38:22] Juan Granados:

you I don't know if you've seen   meta's push   or   the new generative AI video that it's coming out with in a couple of months time. Zuckerberg, if you wanna see it, Mark Zuckerberg did a post on it, recently. He's been posting a little cooler cooler post. Basically,   it's you can take any video, like you say, like us recording right now, and you can get it to generatively   edit the video. Now, does it look perfect? No. It doesn't look exactly perfect. Within and here I'm talking about Instagram. Within Instagram itself,   you can modify it to look whatever you want. So, you know, how we're just talking about, like, oh, it'd be cool to have a background with bookshelves and whatnot.  

You will soon be able to do that through Instagram. So if we're,   say, putting up a clip or something like that, no longer do you have to be, like, I wanna post edit it. You can just say, change the microphones to be snakes in the background to have fire here. Also, when we're talking about fire, it'll be like hell something like that and keep the individual. Yeah. In his example,   it was him doing a leg press and then he was able to change it. So it was him doing a leg press, but the leg press was him pushing like chicken nuggets with food all around. Yeah it was even held with everything on fire and it looked   pretty cool or him dressed in a full like roman armor suit so I think as you're calling it out there's a lot of things that are coming in the months years that I go   honestly like my take in it is you   got to start leveraging as much as a professional as a personal context who's going to come no matter what and there'll be a distinct difference between   those who do use it and those who don't. Yeah. Yeah. If I was  

[00:39:51] Kyrin Down:

I'd be even this would be higher up if it was   a professional thing. For me, it's personal. It's more fun and   more related to learning about how the world is going to change and work in  

[00:40:03] Juan Granados:

5 years time. Yep. So it's more more of interest and maybe I can use some of that to some sort of benefit for myself. Well, related to any of these other goals. What do you think of this? Because I have toyed with this idea. I've heard about it before. It takes a lot of honestly, it would take a lot of energy. So I don't I haven't done it yet. But a lot of the AIs that you can play around with have the ability to create based on like a personal AI. Right? You can feed it its own data. I've toyed around with the idea, not a new concept, of creating a digital me,   file leverage. Yep. Uploading,   as we've said, all of our goals, learnings, notes, and stuff like that.  

So that when a new idea comes up that you want to tackle or something like that, you essentially are talking to your digital self and you can ask these questions and be like, well, you know, actually, Karan in 2019, you kind of did something similar to this and it didn't tune out to that sort of path. Perhaps you should reconsider or, you know, what's the goal now or doesn't seem like you're actually well, whatever whatever it is that you want to actually, like, actualize it as. I don't know if that would be interesting I don't know if it'd be fun I thought of the idea I just haven't had any energy to put the effort on building such an AI but I think   that view of a digital twin   will become   really powerful. So here's another one with podcasting,   right? There is a,   AI that I've been using for business to create training material   and it's pretty dang close in terms of what it looks like as a human talking. Mhmm. And through that and another platform, I can both AI my voice   and I can AI what I look and how I interact on a video. So   I honestly even see it like if you put a bit of energy, it look a bit wonky, but let's just say in 6 months, it'll be good enough. I could just generate podcasts of me talking like how I do now, but purely just AI generated.  

Do I want that?   No.   But could it be helpful for little snippets of like, if I do a conversation, I just want to set like an interview, like a an introduction to how I'm interviewing, and I don't really wanna have the time to reset it up. Mhmm. Maybe it's useful in those moments. So I think there's Yep. In all aspects, there's gonna be a lot of ways you can interact with it and save yourself time. I think it's more save yourself time so you can do the more valuable stuff. That's basically it. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. The the things  

[00:42:13] Kyrin Down:

that that does sound interesting to me, for example, I would love to feed   it, all that journal I talked about and I wrote so much that the word document   started failing. So I don't know how many words is in it. I'll have to check at some point, but I had to start up a new document because it got too much. So there's a lot of stuff in there and that's like   the most deeply personal  

[00:42:49] Juan Granados:

and with current life. I've I've I look at it and there's some things I wrote where I just shutter and go, I'm so glad no one knows that. There's some things with my notes as well. And I'm like, I I sometimes think about it and like, you know, if my daughter reads it later or something like Yeah. Because there's lots of notes for my daughter in there and I'm like, well, we have to like lock some of these files down. Yeah. Absolutely.   Just like it's for you to see. And as you say, you look back and you're like,  

[00:43:12] Kyrin Down:

oh, damn. Yeah. So I would I would only ever feed this if I was supremely confident that my data was confidential   and not going to get leaked out anywhere and   that I had control over it, which is why I've been more interested in   the Morpheus AI and Venice and things like that, which I've talked about a couple of times. So I imagine I'll talk more about them. So just a couple of things I've I've got written on here is, learning how to use a smart agent   and like interoperability   with them, especially with digital contracts. I think there's some cool stuff going on there.   I've got all this gym data that I've had for ages and just never really worked on because   converting it, creating graphs out of it, all this sort of thing is just it would take a lot of time and it's and it would be more of an interest sort of thing, which I could maybe use for another fitness podcast at some point, but   it needs to be easier, needs to be way, way easier to get all that done. So if it could do that, that'd be awesome.  

Really need to find some useful podcasts   and YouTube channels that talk about it. I think in a in a helpful way, whether it be tips and tricks,   deeper   architecture   learning. I don't know if I really want to understand the architecture of how these things work. Maybe   I've tried reading that.   What is it? Attention is all you need.   You read that paper. It's basically   it's the it's the Bitcoin white paper of A. I. So it was written in  

[00:44:39] Juan Granados:

sixties.  

[00:44:40] Kyrin Down:

Not that not recently. It was it was from a bunch of Google people and   I think some outside   collaborators   and it was basically the   the paper that sparked,   how you could use   structure, large language models. And it's foundational.   Okay. Yeah, I'll send it to you at some point. And I've tried reading that and I kind of understand it. And then it's  

[00:45:02] Juan Granados:

like, woah, this is way out of my depth. I think I'll listen to, let's just say, 3, 3 podcasts that are 4 hour long podcasts about large language models and a few other things. And then I've got background in some of this stuff, not deep, but some background. And still I'm like, I don't know. It's a lot of really worth me knowing this. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I think  

[00:45:21] Kyrin Down:

it I maybe would, but I've also   I'd see I'd have to see   deeper understanding of the already talked about that and just kind of things like rules of thumb for prompting getting better at prompting.  

[00:45:32] Juan Granados:

Yeah, that's that's a real powerful one for I guess,   a learning point, learn to prompt people learn how to prompt because that's   the probably the number one skill right now I'm seeing across the utilization of this stuff is how you prompt it because you can't get it to do some really  

[00:45:48] Kyrin Down:

amazing things, but you have to prompt it appropriately. Yeah, for sure. And the last one I just have here was reducing podcast work, funnily enough. So I've I was chatting with Peter about this   and I've really enjoyed doing all the chapter art and images and things like that. But it does take time. And   he himself said, I don't know if it's worth it. And I went, Yeah,   you're probably right.   So I've had a lot of enjoyment doing it, but I'm probably going to start going, Okay, you know, we can use Pod home and it can generate chapters. It's not every 4 minutes like I usually   prefer to create it, but   may   I'm probably going to start   utilizing some of that or, you know, maybe I could even just feed the transcript into   GPT or Venice or whatever and then   say, you know, generate 4 minute timestamps or whatever.  



[00:46:40] Juan Granados:

I'm gonna experiment and play with some things. I don't know. Yeah, like to give you an idea. So for being super transparent,   when I do things, I'm doing solo episodes or releasing book reviews or whatnot. I've now created a full like,   7 page word document   AI prompted, like a prompt that's 7 pages on word. And what I do is I now just take a transcript from the video that I've done. I upload it into GPT. I then paste that word document in for the prompt. Yeah. And it'll create exactly what I want in terms of a title,   the summary,   the breakdown on minutes, but I've done it not in like a very spaced out, the tags,   the key highlights, quotes, my quotes,   the,   clippable   sections and what I should do with them, each of the titles,   all that sort of stuff and it just auto generates all that and now all I have to do is go and action that. Right. Next step I want to do though is integrate it with automations so that it automates doing a lot of that stuff and then it keeps what it would keep me to do is just create like the creative flare of like what I wanna make it look like. But then it hopefully automates that. So I think similarly for me, from what you're calling out, I want us to pick up become way more efficient. Some of this stuff. Yeah. That's that's essentially what Especially if we may may and by saying may, I feel like we are gonna be adding a fitness side of things equation to the mere mortals. Yeah. And I want that to become really smooth, like just super, super smooth. Yeah. So  

[00:48:01] Kyrin Down:

just in terms of all of that, I think one thing you can guarantee is that if if it starts getting into a territory where we are   using it and   I don't want to say in a deceptive way, but people could look at it and be like, you never actually said those words. You got the AI to say them or something like that. We'll let you know if we're doing anything like that.   And we'll just be transparent. I think we've always tried to do that the best of our ability to   say what's going on, why we're doing things and stuff like that.   So yeah, it's not like you're just going to have artificial   car and car now discussing it could be funny, but  

[00:48:39] Juan Granados:

and very revealing. Have you seen recently there was a podcast that was AI generated, which have become really good they've become really really good.   But they the guy made a 8 part I think was 8 part series   of AI podcast hosts talking about various things and the final episode was about them learning that they were AI   and that they were saying goodbye. And there was this weird   interaction between them being like, now just realize that we're not real and who are we and had this deep philosophical conversation. Yeah. As in an AI podcast. But   right now with very, very, very little effort, you could create a podcast.  

Sounds   not   75%   real. 75% real because they jump in too quickly and you can tell some of the pauses,   but all they feed them is like, oh,   here's an article from Wikipedia create a podcast conversation from it and it's a 40 minute long podcast conversation and it's you could listen to it and be entertained by it. So   I think the what's going to be the differentiator for us again new models so there's going to be a lot of ways that we speak and articulate and tell stories that I don't think   that's going to be one just yet that is what I want to have as the highest value for us and then automate the fuck out of everything else like make it super efficient so that honestly, I kind of want to get back to an episode a day. I want to get back to that level to do that. You need to get much more effective. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoy these bits. The uploading, the editing is, yeah, definitely taken  

[00:50:06] Kyrin Down:

a back. It was, it was cool learning all those things. And now that I've done enough times, it's like, all right. Yeah. You should be mad by somebody else. Yeah. So,   yeah, that's, that's kind of just I guess plans for that and making it make it more efficient in terms of actual episodes   and things like this.   I do want to bring back the value for value, but I think I'll do that in a month's time because I've got to   just get sorted   back into a routine again. So I'll probably bring that one back in about a month. And then   yeah, I'll just see   see how much time   that takes away   or,   from my from what what I want to be doing. Like I said,   podcasts   notice there is nothing in the actual goals about podcasting.  

I think, you know, I don't think I even said   anything about it in there other than the A. I. And that was just to reduce podcast work. So   that would it would definitely be the first thing scaled back for me if necessary. So I. Thought it was all the priorities for now in the next year. I think for yourself. We'll still we'll still enhance in. Yeah. And and find a partner. Yep. So   the   I mean, I'm still gonna do book reviews. I'm still gonna do this one is just  

[00:51:16] Juan Granados:

will I add extra stuff on top of this? Yeah. It was fun. I think you can go back and listen to it a couple of years ago. You know, you were like, yeah, building up basically a full time full time in terms of doing the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. I probably won't be that. No. I've, that's one thing I've come  

[00:51:31] Kyrin Down:

so funny coming to these conclusions, you go, when when did this actually land or strike? And   but yeah, now I've come to the point where I say, okay, if I wanted to   make it a full time   income   lifestyle,   I ran the podcast,   I'd have to do a lot of things that I don't want to do. And so I'm not going to do it. It's yeah, it would be   too many compromises. Much of direction. Yeah. So   in terms of just media consumption as well, I've just said around here I want to be around language learning,   AI   architecture   or prompting things like this podcast and 2.0.   I haven't talked about that, but yep. That   that was a big period for me for   a year or 2.  

And   that combined with,   some other things related to,   just getting   learning about cryptocurrencies   at the same time, learning about open source,   the open source movement, I guess how how that works, why incentives of people, why they do things,   all of that was really necessary. And I still want to keep up to date with that.   And I still think it's very important.   I just don't know if I'll be doing interviews   like I was doing with Sam Sethi and all of these other people.   One arm handstands, making sure I'm still learning more about that, how to how to do that better and honestly, just happy things.   One thing about 9 gag that I really did enjoy was there was some really funny shit on there. And so,   I don't know if I'll get into comedian podcasts. I have tried them before and I've always liked them for a bit and then gone away.  

So maybe, maybe I'll have some more things like that. But yeah, not not necessarily  

[00:53:15] Juan Granados:

crypto macro the bare minimum. Just enough to stay updated to know. Yeah. And no news. Then yes. I've been actually doing really well with no news. Yeah. That's do you remember when I did that monthly ago? It was a while ago now where I was like, I'm not gonna see any new stuff.   I'd say 3 times a week, I'll probably still load up some news.   But it is a very,   very quick review. Just kind of like rip rip and I'll go,   it's like, now I'm doing it and it's a reminder of like,   this all this all kind of either the same or it's all negative.   Yeah. Yeah. I didn't say honestly,   yes, I could know about it, but I just don't need to know now. Again, it's I'm I'm leaning more towards   it's just in time information, not not,   just because I want to know any type of information. Yeah. Like this is for   even sports and that I'm starting to keep even less tabs on sort of know these things and when you know for whatever reason I wanna know what's going on I'll just check-in at that point and then see. Apart from that just leave it alone which almost helped I I'll tell you this funny story right. Almost. I put in a bet I put a sports bet on the AFL grand final. Okay. I haven't   seen a single it happened last weekend. I haven't seen a single game.  

I didn't even know who was in the grand final until someone told me in a couple of days. It was like, oh, Brisbane   Lines.   I didn't   know March of the players, 5 bet, a 9 leg bet, no it was a 10 leg bet that was included alliance winning which were the underdog   and then all these things of like this player getting 20 marks, this person getting 20 interactions.   It was a   10.7 to 1 odds   and I got every single one but one. And it was because that one person,   it was a Sydney player,   got sent off at halftime because of an injury and so it didn't come back. And it was any he only had to get one goal. Everything else I nailed. And I was like,   I   could have watched every game that year. I could have looked at the stats. I bet you I wouldn't have done as good as just randomly picking just what I'd done. There's a there's a like a good study around that, but I was like   we in a weird way, I was like,   I didn't win any money from it because I lost. But it was like, look, I got 9 out of 10, right? Without knowing anything,   a quick rudimentary check or whatnot,   would have really helped me out if I'd like seen through the year. Yeah, probably not.  



[00:55:36] Kyrin Down:

One thing I've learned just from this New Zealand trip was   I was doing betting with my my dad and brother on random things. So we'd bet on,   the solitaire game and that that was saying, yeah, this is really difficult. Like, I'll give you some money if you can get this out in a certain time period.   Golfing on, you know, we'd both hit good shots and it's like, oh, whose shot went further? All right, let's put a $10 scratchy on it or something.   It's actually been really fun just putting tiny amounts of money on things and it makes it enhances it enhances it in some ways because you you're more  

[00:56:08] Juan Granados:

connected or care about the the outcome. Yeah, that's that's a critical thing.   Yeah, that's that's a proven thing. Yeah. So anyway,   it's turning into a game. Sorry. Well, it's meandering. We're talking meandering. One other comment I got as well from a message that came through. There was someone saying that they really enjoyed the   new look, the new look of the video. Okay. As well. Thank you very much. We had 5 or 6 listeners. Yeah, we'll still we'll still  

[00:56:31] Kyrin Down:

we can still probably do this a little bit better. I don't think we're gonna be framing in terms of Yeah, look, I think there's there'll be ways in terms of the heads if you want the  

[00:56:40] Juan Granados:

it's showing up to what like a crutch well, I've made a decision I'm gonna I'm gonna give   one of the AI clippable things a go. Yeah. And I'm going so I'm gonna purchase it. I'm gonna try it for a month or 2 because whatever a couple of bucks. Yeah. And then I'm gonna see what it does with these 2 videos that we're doing today. Okay. Because the monthly goals and this one, the monthly goals we're about to do. And then this one, obviously, I wanna see how it clips us if it connects us. If it does the clips or monochannel, I want to do it manually. Yeah.   Some I want to do manually, some I don't. And I want to see how that generates and creates it because I'll, again,   it's a little bit of money for maybe like a pretty large result.  

If you at least I'm talking clips here, they're starting to become far and wide. The things that get seen a lot   most of our content as well. And I actually saw I don't know if you saw put on the meme or those podcast side of things. Let me go like 40 or 50 subscribers just the other day on like one clip. Oh, was it was it the hoop snake one? It was a hoop snake one and one other one. And I was like, damn. I was like huge. Also,   I believe with I mean, we haven't put much up on the book reviews one. We're about to hit 2,000 on that one. Yeah. I'm not sure. I'm like, damn, that's That's cool. That's gone fairly quickly up. So anyways, it was cool. It's cool to see. So look, I think we'll wind up here. We'll wind it up here. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for the support. Everyone obviously over the last couple of months years, you've heard their current   annual goals so one thing I'll probably ask of you again time, talent, treasure, treasure you can send through commentary   with a boot screen attached to it. Treasure   that's that's how time obviously listening to the podcast sending it to people but talent   keep us keep us faithful to the goals that we're talking about here. So obviously we'll talk about the monthly goals to be specific. And if you hear Karen   deviating away or starting to become   overly zealous on the financial side of things make sure you call about on it as well.  

It'll help us out. Absolutely. Absolutely. Alright. The immortal lights, thank you very much for tuning in wherever you are in the world for now. The immortal lights be well. 1 out. Turn out. Good news.