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I have now seen (and made friends with) capybaras, toucans and monkeys in Brazil!

In Episode #452 of 'Meanderings' Juan & I discuss: the difference between zoo and wild animals, what would happen if war outbroke whilst we were living isolated, why I won't stay in Brazil long term, how Juan is improving his friendships, why wishing for a different friend group might not be helpful and plans for the future.

No boosts this week, sad puppy time :'(

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:56) Toucans & Monkeys
(00:02:08) Time off the grid
(00:05:54) Accidently went to a zoo in Chile
(00:09:15) Old racist Mere Mortals in Africa
(00:10:57) You can't escape the news
(00:16:28) Living overseas is hard
(00:24:37) Boostagram Lounge
(00:28:53) Round up of V4V Support
(00:35:54) What is decentralised AI?
(00:40:56) Organising more time with friends
(00:45:17) Retrospecting on our friend group
(00:56:06) Travel & Podcast Plans
(01:02:05) V4V: Time/Talent/Treasure

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[00:00:06] Kyrin Down:

Welcome, everyone. Mere mortals checking in for a Meanderings   episode here on the 20th   July 2024,   21st July in Brisbane where   Juan is at. Juan what's good. What is hello hello hello hello. Beautiful. He's he's in here only slightly late, but that's still pretty good for us. A meandering's episode is where we just talk about some of the, like, the random stuff that's been going on in our lives.   I'm traveling at the moment. Juan's got sick baby, sick one, sick family, sick house. So he's got random stuff going on at the moment as well.   But I, I was the one who labeled this episode and,   let me see if I can find the actual name of it. I probably probably should have got living living without living amongst animals. And living off the grid with animals. And I think it was spending more time with friends was the, was the second   portion. So   I was I'll probably just talk about this first bit, man. So over the last,   geez, it'd be like month and a half, I guess.  

I've seen   2 cans. I've seen   capybaras.   I saw a whole bunch of monkeys recently,   which   was pretty damn epic man, I gotta say,   just having like a whole bunch of little monkeys   running around you and like,   grabbing bananas and stuff.   It's pretty cool. I haven't touched one of them. I like   threw him the banana and then he was like, going to feast on it and I touched his back.   And it kind of,   funnily enough, just all like the recent news with the the big,   the bugs the the bugs and the power outage,   or not power outage. The what what,   what would you call it 1? The systematic   breaking down of things   of computer systems   through the CrowdStrike   bug that they sent out.  

It is has just got me thought thinking about, like, living off the grid and,   and and spending more time with, like, animals and and away from things.   So   I suppose like,   one of the questions I want to ask you was,   have you spent any time off the grid kind of   not necessarily   well, no communication like I did with, Miguel's handstand retreat, but maybe just off the grid in the sense that you're away from things and it's just basically you and nature. Have have you ever really done anything like that?  

[00:02:27] Juan Granados:

Not for any extended time, to be frank. Like, I have gone   camping.   And that's probably the most I would say that I've been disconnected.   But I've only really camped   3 days at a stretch. I don't think I've ever gone camping for 3 days of stretch I do remember doing   and that's been   for off since I was younger as well. I can remember going   camping even I think it was for our chemistry classes way back in the day in high school. For chemistry. Really? I don't know. That. Yeah, I'm pretty, pretty certain it was for chemistry class,   but it was a few days since then. I can recall going camping   family,   predominantly family, to be frank. And   while I have enjoyed   disconnect, and and it has been a disconnect because you usually can't   get signal   and you're just adding about,   I would probably put it in the opposite end. And weirdly,   when you ask a question,   when I've often been disconnected,   not in nature, but it's usually when I holiday.  

So   even recently, when I went to Japan,   because you're generally out exploring   and you're doing things,   I'm not in the constant checking of   things that are coming in as inputs through either the phone or I'm certainly not watching any TV or seeing anything coming through in other mediums.   So I found myself really, apart from   very early in the morning for a couple of minutes checking a phone and all the way till the end of the day, I just completely disconnected. So I wasn't in nature per se, but I was   not connected to what was going on apart from the immediacy of what was in front of me.   And even to your point, actually, when when I went to Japan last time, we went to 2 zoos with the family, 1 in,   Tokyo and the one in Osaka.  

And while we didn't get to touch the the monkeys the monkeys back and and see 2 cans, it was kind of the same same of we were, you know, generally in nature, it was different. You were kinda connecting in different ways. I was just with the family. And it was it was it is a nice disconnect.  

[00:04:35] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I've did the,   I suppose just the animal portion of that was I was unreasonably   excited about seeing toucans.   I didn't even I didn't even really know there was toucans in,   it was in Minnesota ice, the the state. And,   Miguel just mentioned, oh, yeah. We've got some 2 cans here. And from that on, I was basically, like, scanning the skies   all the time. Just waiting to see the. It is  

[00:05:02] Juan Granados:

it is a different thing as well to see,   animals that are not it's not in the zoo. It's actually like out in the wild or just roaming in their own like free space. That is a bit a little bit extra  

[00:05:13] Kyrin Down:

too. Yeah. I mean,   yeah. I can only imagine what Africa would be like, but even I was impressed from   going to Australia Zoo and and seeing that giant tortoise that they have there, seeing the elephants   and zebras, giraffes,   all of that was   even though it was from a distance away,   maybe it was I remember Australia Zoo particularly because   it actually simulates, I think, a better   a better environment for the animals where they're they've got a lot of space. They're not just trapped in a cage. They're they're actually   walking around on grass and have   space and and things like that.  

Because   I do did I ever tell you the story of how I accidentally went to the zoo in Chile?   No. I don't think so. So so I arrived in Santiago   and what and so this was, you know, first time I'm traveling, Kyren. How old was I? 27, I think.   And I wanted to go up, Cerro San Cristobal, the big the big hill that's in right in the heart of Santiago. And you go up there and you can basically see, you know, you can see the whole width of Chile basically because it's only I think 100 kilometres wide. So you can see the the start of the Andes   over all the way over to the   the sea.  

And so I went up, I wanted to go up.   And you know, me being me, I'm like,   Oh, I'll just walk it. I'll just walk up. That'll be easier. And   that was that was about as much thought I put into it. And so I just, you know, walked to the big ass hill and started walking up and I saw some people going up some steps and stuff. So I'm like, oh, yeah. You know, this this is the way. And then I eventually reached this point where   there was just this zoo in front of me, and then there was the the kind of gondola type thing. It was like a tram, I guess, that would take you up. And I didn't want to take the tram up, but I didn't see any other way   other than going into the zoo or going up on this tram. And so I just assumed, oh, I I maybe I have to go into the zoo to get up to the top. So I paid entry into the zoo   and I was just wandering around there. And In in in retrospect  

[00:07:25] Juan Granados:

in retrospect, like, as if you'd have to pay to go into a zoo to continue going up Yeah.  

[00:07:31] Kyrin Down:

It it does it doesn't make sense, but, you know, I was in I was in Chile, man. I I expected it to nothing to make sense.   So   I paid I paid to get into the suit. And honestly, man, it was depressing as   fuck. It was a concrete. It was just like a concrete. Like, it's on the side of a hill. You know, there's not there's not gonna be any space, man. Even the zoo itself was on a   pretty moderate slope. So   it's not even just for people walking around, you're like, know, I feel sorry for the fat people because they're actually   they happen to put in work to go to struggle to go around see the animals that are higher up.  

And   yeah man I what I remember the most is the flamingos they had this whole you know crew of flamingos there it's probably about 30 of them. Looks sad as heck. That looks super sad. And I think probably about 8 of them had prosthetic legs as well,   Just   Hey. Chilling out. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? This is weird. They either had prosthetic legs or had, you know, one leg missing or something.   And, yeah, that that just made me go, like, what what is this place? Saw a chimpanzee in there who just looked, you know,   like lonely.  

And and, you know, people would all the animals were basically just, like, lying down. They're not moving around or anything. So people like banging on the glass. Energy.   Yeah, it was it was. Yeah. Maybe it kind of made me kind of made me sad.   So   I walked up there to the top and then I realized, oh, no. This is just a zoo. So I went back down and I eventually caught the gondola up.   So, yeah, that was   that was how I I went there. So there is a big difference. The whole point of that story, there is a big difference between seeing animals out in the wild versus   in the zoo. I see the good time. Would you ever go to Africa to to,   you know, go on a   retreat? What are they wildlife reserve or anything like that?  

Would I ever shoot a line? Yes. Is  

[00:09:26] Juan Granados:

it what I would I go out to Africa to see animals and do the safaris in that? Absolutely.   But it never been really, really, really high on my list. So I feel like there's a hell of a lot of other stuff that I'd like to put in front of that. Yeah, me too. But eventually, maybe. Yeah.  

[00:09:44] Kyrin Down:

I feel it's like an old kiran. Maybe an old one old kiran thing. You know, when we're in our  

[00:09:49] Juan Granados:

sixties. That's that's exactly what I was I was envisioning. It's like, you know, I'm wearing my khaki shorts and a khaki. Yes. Hot rim wide brimmed hat. So I was just kinda   like crippled and barely walking. Then I'm like, ah, yeah. It's safari time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That that sounds about right.  

[00:10:06] Kyrin Down:

You know, if South Africa's maybe still super racist there,   like you've seen those videos of the,   of the   I think it's Louis Theroux and the,   one of the games keepers there. And the guy is basically   he's just like he's launching into black people and,   and just just been basically like in general racist.   And, you know, I was thinking like, well, you know, if we're if we get older and I think it's I think there's studies showing that you tend to get a little bit more racist, a little bit more insensitive   just in everything as you get older. So maybe that's the place to go on, especially for you. You're super. More of a breeding ground.  

[00:10:49] Juan Granados:

Be a more of a breeding ground as we get as we get to old age then. Yeah. Well, I mean, speaking of just general shit that I hate talking about.  

[00:10:58] Kyrin Down:

Despite   me doing my absolute best, I found out about   the   assassination   attempt on on Donald Trump probably within an hour of it happening, man.   And this also is what got me thinking about, you know, just living entirely off the grid because,   you know, I've been I've been following my monthly goal pretty well. I've been staying off social media for the large part, you know, doing our social posts every now and then. I might look at something or get lost in or especially if I'm like looking for something in particular because   a lot of the events before the events, for example, that are happening in Nashville, they're they're on Twitter. So I kind of got to go on there to find out, you know, where this thing is actually going to be at an RSVP.  

And   I but I think I heard about that, you know, I've been staying off. And And I'm pretty sure I heard it on a like a YouTube comment of all things.   And I'm just gonna like, what?   You can't escape it. You can't escape this crap, man. You just,  

[00:12:01] Juan Granados:

you know, well, especially when it becomes so   so all of a sudden,   more heavily,   not polarizing, but more heavily scrutinized, more heavily talked about. You just it's just gonna come around in one way or another. Right? Like, you can avoid it when it's just as usual doldrums of politics but when it becomes that high pitched you're gonna get it you're gonna get served to to some some level. Yeah. I for real think you need to basically be a hermit because  

[00:12:28] Kyrin Down:

even   Yada's mom is kind of staying down here for the for the week, and I'm pretty sure she was just watching either telenovelas or sports.   And yet I heard an awful lot of Portuguese people talking about American politics on on the TV.   Jesus,   Jesus Christ, which which I was having this thought when I was with Miguel. And I'm like, you know, I'm out here, I've decided not to   touch my phone or   my computer for the week. So basically, 0 community, 0 communication with the outside world.   And   what I I kind of took away from that was going, you know, this is very doable. And   you're still you're still probably hear some bullcrap about, you know, assassination attempt or something like that. But   for the most part, you can avoid it for your own sanity.  

Say you wanted to go full out and basically just say, you know, I'm going to go live out in let's give an example that is more realistic for perhaps myself.   I'm going to go live out beyond   whatever's west of   Toowoomba, for example.   I don't know what's out there. I don't imagine there's that much out there.   And   I get the feeling like, you know, I could buy myself a little property out there and just kind of live off the grid.   How   important would it be?   Would you place   of having some news so that you knew if   a World War 2 event style thing is going on? Would that would that be something that would play into your mind if you tried to do something like that?  



[00:14:08] Juan Granados:

Well, one I just wouldn't do it. Yeah, I personally I would never do something like that. But I think if you chose to do that,   then   honestly,   it probably   should it should play   no no larger part than if you were living back elsewhere where you would be more informed. Because   if you're kind of approaching it with, with, well, I want to go out a little bit more rural or a little bit more disconnected.   In the end,   you probably don't care then necessarily what's happening so so much in the rest of the world. And because you're,   there's not, well, maybe it's more selfishly like, well, I just care what's going on in my space. So unless it affects you, and in the space that you live,   you don't give 2 hoots, like what might be happening elsewhere. So I think it shouldn't actually   change your, like idea behind it. And if something like World War 3 broke out or something, well,   partly, you wouldn't know the 2 if it affects you, it's gonna affect you no matter what, no matter where you're going to be. And I guess if you're in a real rural area, well, you sure as heck probably going to get affected if you are in some busy suburban area.  

So I think it shouldn't  

[00:15:16] Kyrin Down:

impact your position if that's like, I guess what you're optimizing for. Yeah, I was you know, I've read a whole bunch of war books on,   especially World War 2, and   they they had some pretty gruesome scenes there of just, you know, the Germans   rolling through the Russian countryside. They're basically coming across these towns of, you know, a 1000 people, 10,000 people   And the army just, you know, basically, if they don't decimate,   rape and kill everyone, they they just take all their stuff. And so basically, you know, you could have worked for a lifetime to   build a nice house and a granary perhaps or a business and just instantly it it all just gets trashed.  

And,   you know, I was imagining,   man, that would just suck to have something like that. You know, say you're in west of Toowoomba.   You've decided to live off the grid, and then   you're you're trying to   stay disconnected or something like this and then   and then you know something like that happens and you just and it just blindsides you so So I was going like, oh, man, that's, that's terrible. That's, this is a good reason why you would need to want to stay connected. Because, you know, if you heard about that, you could do something I change country, you could move somewhere else.   Then another experience recently,   a little insight I talked about in this in the last episode was,   you know what, man, it's fucking hard.  

Living in another place is just   difficult.   I, you know, I've I've never done the full process of   staying anywhere longer than   2 or 3 months, probably here is about the longest I've stayed in a individual city.   Yeah. Getting up there. I was in Argentina for probably about two and a half months total   in sorry, in Buenos Aires.   And   the process here of   just kind of acclimatizing   to   the everyday life.   It hasn't been too hard. You know, I've got my routine now I know where to shop.   I know kind of where where to hang out with and people and things like this.   But   also just the   small stuff of,   you know, trying to find a girl here, for example.  

The insight I had was,   man, I   kind of lucked out with Andrea   when I met her because   I I remember,   like, analyzing it and going like, you know, should I should I be with this girl because I'm kind of committing myself to a long distance relationship. It's gonna be hard. I, you know,   but she ticked off all these boxes in terms of,   you know, she spoke really good English so we could communicate   adequately more than adequate Lee with each other, we could communicate   almost 100%.   There's some cultural differences. But, you know, her family lived in a kind of similar   socioeconomic   style that mine did. She was well traveled and wanted to live outside of Colombia.  

And   I'm just like ticking off these boxes in my head and going,   I haven't met a single girl here who has come to even close to any of ticking off of these ones.   Man, it would be very, very difficult to find another one like her, which has then made me go like, okay, well, I probably shouldn't really be searching here. I should  

[00:18:47] Juan Granados:

I should. Well, actually, and going back to the point about going and living like like living really right, like living in a completely different location as well.   You know, what's the chances that, you know, if you were to move out somewhere like that,   without   that existing   relationship   or the family or what you've decided to, like, solidify,   how much challenging is it gonna gonna be for you to do that? Like, would you actually really consider   going off grid?   If you haven't already   built up the   family or the relation that you want to then go and do that with. Yeah.  

[00:19:21] Kyrin Down:

Or even, you know, say you're in Australia, and then you've you're going, oh, bad things are happening here.   You know, Australia is looking like it's looking,   Poland was looking like in 1939   or 1938.   We gotta we gotta move, we gotta get out of here before bad stuff starts to happen.   But then it's like, damn, dude, you're gonna   move in out of your country is not an easy thing. You know, that's real dire straits.   It,   it would be so bad that you're almost got a better bet of just going more inland than you do of trying to go elsewhere because of going elsewhere. Going elsewhere is just so hard, man.   I'm, I'm kind of getting tired of Portuguese. You know, I've, I've,   I haven't really been studying it as hard as I as I studied Spanish back in the day.  

I'm still doing okay. I went to like a,   Lucas   invited me to, to Haskell again today of his,   girlfriend, Yara, and her family.   And I went and I could, you know, I I think I held my own for the most part. There was but there were still instances where, like,   guy doesn't know, asked me something. I don't know what he says.   He looks at another guy next to him who asked me the same thing, who I can understand a bit more and I still have no idea what he says. And then I look at Lucas and I'm like, just please help me out here, bro. This is getting up. Like this is it's just it's just moments like that was just   all always and look the the Chuhasco in general was was amazing. I loved it. And I'm saying this because Lucas has been chat. Don't want him to   to think I didn't love it. It was it was actually really fun.  

But it's these moments like that where you just go, goddamn it. Living overseas in a completely different place is just   hard. It's just   yeah, I don't know how long it would take me   for me to feel like   Australia   is, is home if I was to move here.   And that that's saying a lot considering I think Brazil is at least at the very least Londrina is probably about the closest to   Brisbane that I've come across in my in my travels.  

[00:21:33] Juan Granados:

Yeah, well,   I mean, the only the only, you know, relevant example I can think of is when I came over from   Colombia over to Australia, but even then, right, I think there is a different when you're,   I guess non established,   or   maybe when you're there's no real directive that you have, because you just kind of go with it. I'm sure when I was younger, it'd be like, oh, there's some downfalls to it. But then you start, you know, merging with the existing space that you're living in, and then you build a life and that's it. But when you are more established,   then it becomes really, really difficult. I think another aspect of it as well, right, is, you know, if you're suggesting right now, it's a it's an individual, like you you're on your own, and you go, hi, this is challenging,   then I think you'd multiply that many times over to doing that move with family, with kids, and kind of makes me consider, you know, if you if you've seen that difficulty,   it and I've contemplated this before, and I know my mom's in the chat on Yeah, how much harder is it to do that with kids and,   you know, uprooting everything that you've done and moving elsewhere and having no idea and then having to build that up there. It's difficult.  

It almost it almost makes me go, you know, of the benefits that you would get   in moving somewhere more off grid,   rurally, whatever, wherever you want to move?   Is it do the benefit actually outweigh the pain that comes with   uprooting yourself, removing yourself from all the existing stuff that you know, connections and everything like that. I don't know. I mean, part of me. I mean, I don't mind. So mine's just no like that. I wouldn't I wouldn't do that. Yeah.  

[00:23:08] Kyrin Down:

I I don't want to live outside of Australia.   I think it's   it's there's there's, you know,   kind of generalizing here. I know people who   don't feel at home in their   now home country, in their home culture environment.   And I think there's a lot of times you'll see things like people move to the cities   to get that more multicultural   find their niche sort of thing.   But, you know, certain people just don't fit in in certain environments, and   they probably should   move to a different country. You know, if you're if you're like a stoic   Brazilian,   who's logical to a tee,   and   doesn't like football   and and likes cold weather,   you know, I guess you could go to the south of Brazil, but even then, you're you're probably better off going to Norway. You know, you you   probably that's that's probably where you'll fit in more. So there are certain I know I and I say this because I have met certain travelers who just said, like, I don't like my my home country. I don't like my home city. It's I don't I don't belong there. I don't fit in there, which I totally understand as well.  

But now I'm I'm more of the,   when I come back to Australia, I'm I'm looking forward to   just knowing everything,   how everything fits into place and,   and just being   100% at ease.   And and just confident. Yeah, absolutely.   Yeah. Should we jump on to some boost to grams and stuff man? And,   I actually don't think we have any for this week. I think we've we've been,   I think we've been bring them up because  

[00:24:49] Juan Granados:

I might not have.   I might not have gone and looked at  

[00:24:54] Kyrin Down:

the booster grams from last time either, which means you might have read out some of the Yeah. I read out everything. So, yeah, I read out everything till July 12. So,   which was okay. You know, I had a big stretch then of of kind of pent up demand.  

[00:25:09] Juan Granados:

And did you recall the core mix one from the 13th July? Yeah. Cool. Yeah.  

[00:25:14] Kyrin Down:

So,   we do have a   I just see a little message in the chat here. Gregory Silas, are you guys vegan?   Gregory, I'm not. I ate a lot of meat today, dude. I was at a Brazilian barbecue, man. There's, you know, vegetables don't exist. There's the one difference,   and the biggest difference I would say between a Brazilian barbecue and an Australian,   they don't cook vegetables on   the grill or have,   kebabs of, you know,   tomato capsicum,   halloumi cheese,   mushrooms   and onions, anything like that. They they don't really do that. So,   you could I mean, I was just trying to think what what could you have eat? Yeah. Today, you could have eaten the the potato.  

There was there was there's food there for vegan vegans, I guess. Yeah. The   the rice and onion and   and tomato and onion. That's that's what you could have had,   at the Brazilian barbecue today.   But one, are you vegan? Would you ever go vegan?  

[00:26:20] Juan Granados:

Let me just consider that. No, that's a hard. No, no, no, no, that's a yeah, there's a I'm,   I'm both.   Okay, I enjoy a variety of food. But I will say I'm   primarily like a big meat eater. And even more and I haven't looked I'm gonna say this haven't like, push this upon my daughter. The cheese like almost carnival. Oh, yeah. In when it comes to like food, when we're eating most most foods with lunch or dinner.   If I present a plight full of protein,   which is generally in the form of some sort of meat, whether it's chicken, or steak, or lamb, or whatever,   she will generally just eat all of that and fill herself up with pure protein, and then maybe eat some carbohydrates in the form of like rice or pasta or something like that. She does love broccoli, which is awesome.  



[00:27:07] Kyrin Down:

But beyond that This girl is gonna be a body lot of like chips or anything. Already loving broccoli and chicken. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's, well,  

[00:27:14] Juan Granados:

a little little side story there. Yeah. She in the she was the park yesterday and   still quite young for   someone who like you know, is walking and doing things but she wanted to go down the slide and there was a 3 year old or 2 and a half year or 3 year old in the afternoon. It was wanting to go down but she was a little bit scared. And my daughter came up behind her like she climbed up the thing, readiness to get down there. And   she positioned herself   in right out. I was lucky I was up there because she gave the little girl   by a little girl there was a girl who was like double Yeah, my daughter's age. And she,   like, gently tapped her on the shoulder.  

And the the other girl didn't go down the the slide. And as I was there, I watched her. She then, like, hunkered down on her quads, and she was ready to, like, ram her off that thing. I was like, dude. No. No. No. Just calm down there. Yeah. As I like pull her back and be like, no. No. No. Can't can't do that.   Yeah. She's definitely she's definitely gonna be   a chip of the wine shoulder. It comes to you hopefully,  

[00:28:14] Kyrin Down:

quads and assertiveness. I'm looking forward to when she can speak man it's gonna be   when when can children generally start to like form a coherent sense sentence   like 4 years old 5 years old man.  

[00:28:26] Juan Granados:

Yeah. About no no no younger than that. Younger than that. They can form they can they can like they can  

[00:28:31] Kyrin Down:

converse pretty well at, like, 2 and a half, 3 years old. Okay. Alright. Sweet. I'm looking forward to that, man. That's gonna go by quick.   Hope you're taking photos   and videos.   Oh, it's plenty. Plenty. Plenty of them. Plenty of them. Alright. Well, that's that's our boostgram lounge for today. If you I I think, couple of reasons for that. I I think actually, we can talk about the,   the just the little roundup that I did, which I finally got around to doing.  

[00:28:57] Juan Granados:

Oh, yeah. Yep.  

[00:28:59] Kyrin Down:

Which was a little bit   in delay.   So it was a bit of a slower month, April, May, June, which I think makes sense. You know, we've certainly   stepped off the pace in terms of regularity,   in terms of   you being consistent with the time as well.   I obviously stepped off the value for value show, So, yeah, everything was kinda down, but, you know, it was it was we got we got about a a what was it? 185,000 sats, in which was about $182,   in bitcoin price. So,   thank you everyone for for doing that.   I suppose the special call out was   the 1,000,000 sets and anonymous support. So that's everyone who's streamed before. Thank you very much. We really appreciate it. Yeah. That's very cool. And then sub one, and that includes the sub one k boost and anonymous boost. So   epic. Thank you very much. Cole and Macintosh being neck and neck, only 3 k SATS between the 2 of them, and it changes really regularly.  

And they're they're starting to close in on Adam Curry, getting up to close to 300,000 sats.   And, yeah, Oscar flipped our Adam into 5th place. So   lots of stuff going on. I love it. It's,   actually probably swallow on that topic. So highlight this this board more often.  

[00:30:23] Juan Granados:

I saw   a note actually,   that came through now forgotten who messaged.   It was a message in relation to Valley for value or at least challenging   Valley for value. And that what Adam Carrey had said that you might as well use Patreon. I think it was  

[00:30:39] Kyrin Down:

you're talking about through from just today?  

[00:30:41] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and around just like so the Curry, like,   a note from I'll call it out. It's episode 185   from podcasting 2.0,   where Adam said, you can do v for v with someone just sending you PayPal's,   which is I think he was saying that's what he was trying to argue with you.   Yeah. Yeah. Now is that is that does Adam actually believe that though that it is just the same? Yeah. I mean, like, shit. He's he's done that for  

[00:31:08] Kyrin Down:

20 almost 20 years with, on almost 20 years, probably, like, 15 years with with no agenda.   Does he believe it's this this exactly the same thing?   You know, that that'd be an interesting point of   the   philosophy in practice.   I would imagine that he would say   because, for example, he   he lets people   send money in anonymously to a,   P. O. Box via cash.   They've got the,   PayPal, which is their biggest way of support.   They've also got, you know, the boosting and value for value set up.   But it's not they don't put much attention to it.   I imagine he would argue that   for your own individual show, you should probably do the value for value way that works best for you. So   and and and for your audience. So if you've got a show which   you notice people boosting in more,   while it's probably worth leaning into that and   and going into that, which is what we've done, for example. So   and I think it's also   about your own personal choices. If you value more,   you know, say you don't need money, say you don't want any money at all and but you really value   people's comments or them leaving reviews on Apple Podcasts, even though it doesn't really do anything,   then, you know, that's   leaning into that. I think that's up to you as your choice.  

And I'll say this now, like I think in I could imagine the future people doing,   you know, wanting to do value for value with like a salon, a meme coin or some shit. And   then you will have to decide whether you want to accept that or not. So,   yeah, I think all of all of them are valid. I think his points valid. It's just There's a lot of meme coin. I I prefer   I definitely prefer via the boostograms and the and the new ways because I   I think it's cooler and I also want to help encourage that and promote that.   But I don't think that takes away from the the PayPal sort of things. I think that was our biggest difference always. He just   he doesn't like how much he hears about boostograms. And I think it's because he also doesn't like bitcoin. So  

[00:33:26] Juan Granados:

they,   actually, so here's another and we're getting out of boostograms. Are we just talking more generally now? But   I am currently in a school of mastery was called school of mastery from Lewis Mokka. And there's a whole bunch of people who are in there.   And I don't necessarily attend all the live calls that happen. They usually do it on a Wednesday night,   and I was relistening to one of the conversations that they were having there.   And someone asked a question specifically about podcasting.   And I shared   afterwards some, like, a comment around Valley value and what it was and how people get monetized and the reasons behind it. And I tried to put a couple of caveats being like, you know, don't expect this to be some   gigantic   income source, you need to have   an audience already who is going to be   willing to participate into that space, at least for now all of these sort of stuff, right?  

That sort of feedback. And it was interesting to see that even amongst   people who   probably were like a more lean towards exploring new things,   it was,   I guess, a general feel of, you know, could take a look, but unsure seems difficult. What is it don't know about it. And again, it just   reminded me of wow,   yeah, this is like, again, timeline length. Yeah, if it's going to be the success that I think it's going to be it's many, many years into the future, but I almost go to   almost expect   or need some sort   of, like   global issues to come play   incredible   printing of money in the US or elsewhere.  

So that in turn, it forces more people to have to utilize Bitcoin in order to, you know, get off the system that inflate the money too much and   lowers their ability to spend. And then there's more people get into that space, it then allows people to support others using   those channels.   Like I almost go, Hey, you kind of almost need some sort of tipping point like that to facilitate a quick transition. And otherwise, it's just gonna take a long time for   someone or just a general population to be wanting   to buy in that space.  



[00:35:34] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I mean, the,   once again, Trevor would would argue against but, you know, value for value doesn't need Bitcoin to work   and it   it should,   will it still take off if if if your only reasoning is Bitcoin will take off, will that that's that value for value work?   I think it'll work one way or another regardless of whether it's through Bitcoin.   It's it it makes the most sense to me. But,   I actually think the main problem would be people having to realize just how bad advertising is and how,   how much it affects   their   their their kind of information,   which is partly why I've been getting so interested in this, Morpheus AI   project,   essentially decentralized AI,   because   the the models   I don't I don't see how chat gpt   is gonna   and and the likes are gonna make money unless they   start turning it into   advertising base somehow.  

I don't know. Do you do you disagree with that? General thing. Are they gonna try and do, like, the subscription model? Is that what they're trying to go for? Or  

[00:36:47] Juan Granados:

They already do. They already do. And is that the  

[00:36:50] Kyrin Down:

large proponent of them paid. Yeah. And and is that but is that like their business going forward? Is that how they wanna do things?  

[00:37:01] Juan Granados:

I mean, I'd have no clue. I would have no clue if that's what their business going forward. But part of me thought that   the individuals who are using like, so there's a lot of people who are using the the the freemium version of of, JGPT,   but that they had a a big chunky amount of people who are already paying for the subscription model.  

[00:37:21] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. And and   I just kind of see it turning into, like, kind of how Spotify does, whether, you know, they've got   they've got the,   the subscription,   but then they started, you know, chucking some ads in for the the people who don't who don't have it. And then they started chucking ads in for people even when they do have prime and stuff like that.   Or like on Joe Rogan's and oh, well, maybe maybe I'm slightly mixing that up. But you know, you're getting ads in there somehow.  

[00:37:50] Juan Granados:

Anyway, there's a bit off topic quickly. I need to think more into that. Oh, I was gonna say quickly quickly on the numbers that I can see and this is from 4th June 2024   was saying TGP has 200,000,000 monthly active users,   77,200,000   people in the US alone.   And then of those 77,000,003,900,000   are paying subscribers in the US. So,   you know,   it does that does that satisfy like what they need to continue growing? Maybe maybe not, maybe maybe they need to introduce some sort of advertising or something else, which would be would be would be a shame, but at least for me, say, for me, I   like the value I get for paying   the minute amount I pay for how I use it is out of control. It's just nuts.  

So I could definitely see in some models how it could be   definitely become valuable to a lot of people to pay for it.  

[00:38:43] Kyrin Down:

But who knows? Yeah, I mean, like, if the paid models the way to go, then that's that's the way to go.   Yeah.   I'll I'll I'll chat more about this one. I've when I've got all my ducks in a row. I'm still still really trying to learn more about,   the say I stuff, but it's certainly that's that's what is consuming   probably close to 50% of of the things that I watch and listen to nowadays is,   AI related   messages and then also   making sure that it doesn't turn into a,   closed inbox. Because I I could see the I could see the bad things that that could happen with that. You know, maybe maybe   it's it's more like the opportunity that that could be lost   of of having   really   open   oh, actually, that's that's the one thing that shuts me off the most, open AI and then they closed source it. Like,  

[00:39:38] Juan Granados:

fucking get out of here. That's well, I guess that's the thing when when you're talking about even like Morpheus AI or any any any others that you decide to put in and   the terminology that it's decentralized to open again? What does that mean? Right? Is it decentralized?   By the fact that it doesn't have   governed   controls or govern or like, what do you call it? Governators with it? Is it decentralized? Because it's decentralized service that don't have any  

[00:40:05] Kyrin Down:

ability to be controlled. I think it's I think it's more varying levels. There are varying level. Yeah. That's a,   yeah. It's a good point.   I don't want to get into the debate of what is decentralized mean, but it's, it's certainly on the more the paths where it,   it allows more human liberty of choice   of   and and being able to move from one place to the next and,   you know,   not have   absolute   centrality   on one system where if they if if they release an update and then   all of the computers   go down,   that's that's that's kind of what   I I'm,   wanting to get away from. Anyway, that's that's,   a topic for another time.  

The other thing I wanted to talk about, which is in the title, was friend groups. And   I remember you talking about this a little while ago,   of your you were like I don't know. You said you were kinda like missing,   having   organized groups, I guess, to get together, like, especially with our high school friends. You know, I'm I'm also starting to notice that we're getting together less than we were,   say, 2 or 3 years ago.   So, did you have any more thoughts on that?  

[00:41:27] Juan Granados:

Well,   I guess less thoughts more actions. So I guess ever since since I did say that there's been a lot of   Yeah, there's been a few we've put a few things in place. So   the very least, I'm catching up a lot more at the moment with with some of those individuals and going to dinners and stuff are done. I think making a consistent effort to   put away the time, I'll be like, you know, it's so much easier just to do this or just read or just improve on this area and kind of being realistic that hey, now I want to make sure I maintain and continue some of those relations. So in conversations and getting together and stuff. So you know, what's the beer? What's the best way? It's honestly, it's just been cool doing it, going, connecting and catching up and doing those things. But in the inverse of that, and I think there's a realization that came to a few months ago at 12 for myself was in order to do that, and to live the life still that I lead.   It also means that I need to pull away   from other comp like other individuals, other people who I'd probably say it's at the fringe of my   125 individuals or   one   that I keep relatively close. And I have to kind of push them out to you in order to have more time or effort to spend with more closer, closer connections.  



[00:42:38] Kyrin Down:

Yeah.   Yeah, it's the   it's those hard bits of   I guess, yeah, creating creating the time and then also the   kind of like the logistics   of it almost.   One of the other things   just,   you know, using Tinder for dating here or   making plans with Lucas and things like this is   there's   there's all of these kind of like little unwritten   rules where   you you don't wanna step on toes by   asking too much or not asking enough.   You know, I'm I'm always like reminding him about the these parallettes because I love the parallettes, for example.   And   the, you know, I don't, it's hard to know if I'm going to step on his toes too much by asking too much.  

And   there's all these just like little things where   unless you've got a really solid like, rapport and no, yeah, this guy   will show up or he'll do this. And and even with you today, it was like, you know, Juan's late.   He probably hasn't forgotten. He's probably not asleep,   but   he he still could be.   And and, you know, if if you hadn't showed up, for example, and then that happened, like, again, then I'd start to be like, alright. What what the fuck's going on here? You know?   But, yeah, just just creating all of these things together can be hard. Hey.   Have you have you found it hard organizing stuff for people showing up and making it easy for you?  



[00:44:15] Juan Granados:

Not that wouldn't say the heartbeat is to showing up.   So I guess when it   gets   corrugated well,   I guess a heartbeat would be just carving the time and   carving the time where it all kind of situates and works for everyone. That's obviously the hardest thing.   And because, you know, if you're you could be the willing participant   to begin and encourage you get the action going.   But you also need the other parties to then jump on and be involved and make the time to then also be able to connect, right? That's, that's you can't necessarily drag people out in the middle, hey, let's connect. It doesn't, it doesn't work very well that way.   I think it's just be more the effort and the difficulty is in finding the time. Once once people   make it out, you're doing something, then   it's relatively   non effort  

[00:45:05] Kyrin Down:

to continue on and have the conversations or be there for what you want it to be. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's always the lead up, man. It's always the logistics and planning, which is which is hard.   Do   another thing that happened when I was traveling with Lucas was,   we went to we stayed in Votuparanga,   which is   halfway between here and,   Ministry Pathos where we where we stayed for the handstand retreat.   And we stayed with a friend of his who's   in his Lucas's age, so he'd be about 29, I think.   And his girlfriend, I think, was probably like   23, 24.  

And one night there the the night that we stayed,   sorry, I've got someone in my throat.   She had   some of her friends around and like by extension his friends, this being Gabriel   his   and and Rafa,   her his his girlfriend. And   it was kind of funny because it was like,   if you if you'd asked me   in the past,   this is like the friend group that I would have wanted that I'd kind of like,   desired in a way. You guys were cool. But, you know, we did a lot of things that I look back and I'm like, man, I kind of wish I didn't do that. You know, all the times we went out to nightclubs,   I could have skipped all that.  

I didn't enjoy those nights.   I all I would end up is like, I would end up drinking a lot and,   you know, damaging my liver, basically, with some fun nights for sure, like playing   table tennis at Joey's house. That was awesome.   And things like this.   But this was like   a mixed group of guys and girls probably, you know, 8 in total.   And   all I would do is like have some weed,   drink a couple of drinks,   stay up late ish, and then go go to sleep. And I'm like, damn,   this is a pretty, pretty cool friend group. There's the kind of friend group I kind of wish I had, man.  

[00:47:09] Juan Granados:

Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. Know. Yeah. And again, and again, this up and I don't know. I don't know whether you retrospectively looking back in it, if you would have thought that back in the day, or if it's just like now you look back at it, because again, what I'm about to say, I don't know whether this is just like, would I have wished it to be different? Then I was like, as you describe that, I'm like, fuck that. What a fucking shit group is that?  

[00:47:31] Kyrin Down:

No. This is this is one of the yeah. It's one of those times where I go,   if I was in it, and   it would every night was like that night, that would have been pretty good.   But, you know, because it would have been, you know,   certainly   helped me with   communicating with girls would have gotten over social social anxiety stuff. You know, they girls have girlfriends, guys have guy friends. So it'd be more, you know, like introducing   people that way. So you're not having to fucking walk around Queen Street Mall for hours on end, trying to find a trying to find a girl. That would have been nice.   But   this is also where I remember,   you know, Charlie, my my ex roommate who used to be the cheerleading   captain.  

And she   and and she was telling me about like, you know, the cheer squad where it'd be like all girls and then a couple of guys and I was like, oh, wow, man, that would have been a that's pretty cool social group. And she's just like, it was fucking nightmare. These people were like,   always sleeping with each other. There was always drama. There was always bullshit.   It was just, you know, it's not all a nightmare, but she opened up my eyes to be going like, oh, yeah. There's there's usually a downside with all of these things as well. So, you know,   maybe 1 guy gets too high. Maybe, you know,   this girl sleeps with this guy, and then they're still in the same friend group. So it gets weird, and then the friend group breaks up, all that sort of shit. And then you have to pick sides.  

So, yeah, there's always a there's always a counter side to these things. So  

[00:49:06] Juan Granados:

yeah, I think it can decide, but also   I think this comes to a   it doesn't actually matter,   generally in one   group, I think, or positioning you might have been whether it's like today, or whether it's in the past.   So I think largely, you can choose to view it in whichever way you want to view it.   Okay. Like, as a as someone like, you know, that description, oh, man, no shit, because you know, this happened and that happened all sleeping with each other. And then there was all this drama and stuff like that. And sure, you could probably   observe that and go, You know what, That was crap. I'm just gonna take away all the bad stuff. But,   you know, I can very easily make   a probably a challenge to that and go, you know, because of that, there's a lot of shit that now you know, in terms of dealing with people and what not to do that you wouldn't have been a fucking   slap sloth just fucking doing nothing. Right. So there's, there is differences   in the viewpoint that you might take from something that come out. And I don't think you have much choice in that, to be frank. You know? And that's why I'm saying, if you retrospectively   you know, you can retrospect on it and go, you know what? That would have been a really good group to be in. If I had to retrospect and go, you know, what kind of group would I want it to be real? And then, you know, part of my mind would have go, you know, I wish it was even more sporty. Now I wish it was, like, part of a group of fucking future Olympians Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking hard ass motherfuckers who were just doing all this crazy shit. Like, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have chosen something that maybe would have been, like, drinkers or anything like that. Now I want it to be like, disciplined hot motherfuckers   who are like, gonna make it even more challenging to me.  

But   but, you know, if I go back to that, if I was really in that, and maybe I wouldn't have had a good viewpoint to it, maybe I would have been too challenged by it. Maybe I would have been turned away from it. Maybe I would have gone, you know what?   I I see directly maybe the challenges that come from that lifestyle. I don't wanna be like that, and then I become a sloth.   You don't know, man. You don't know what you would have, like, looked at from it. So, you know, maybe it was because you guys were such fucking chimps that it made me good. Maybe.   So but and that's not the case. I think that there's just a you become about, like, the a person that you end up becoming. And, yes,   the the environment definitely plays a part in the friendship group that you have. So I'm not suggesting anyone out there, like, it doesn't matter. Go hang out with the worst people. But I think that you you also make a large part of what you decide is going to happen from that friendship group. Yeah. So I don't know. There's a difference between retrospect  

[00:51:28] Kyrin Down:

and what in reality would play out. My my dad always approved of you guys as my friend group. He he always he always said,   yeah. You've like, I'm I'm really happy with the friend group that you had, Kyren. They're they're good good guys. And so,   you know, I also take that in mind and go like, alright, if dad approves,   that's, that's pretty good.   He's older than I am. He's he's no known friends and,   you know, known friends, lost friends, had friends stick around,   had friends disappear for bullshit   politics actually out of out of everything.   So.  



[00:52:05] Juan Granados:

That's a that's a worth thing to lose. But I'll tell you from my perspective. Right. And I think you'll see this and other people will see this if you are wanting to become parents. So if you have kids,   the now I'm starting to see is that, you know, as my daughter grows up, one of the things that   I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily care about   the   individuals that they're hanging out with from a friendship group perspective,   in, like, not always,   but just in a lot of domains, like, I wouldn't necessarily care if they were,   you know,   not people who were aspiring to something or, you know, if they enjoyed whether there was computer gaming, or it was   sports or if it was something else, right? I don't think that that itself matters too much. But I think what does matter is   the   maybe   the the more like, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily then call people friends if they were doing this. But if you were hanging up with groups where it becomes,   you know, you're introducing   being more narcissistic,   or trying to be   pretty mean.  

But there's no real care factor for people. It's more just, you know, you're just there in this thrown in group. Okay, that's where it becomes a little bit like, you know, you need to shift away. That's that's more than it is the actual activities and events that they do to think in general, Ali, a person can't be taught to move towards what you want to do anyways, no matter of   space that you're   building up in in in within rational means. Yeah,  

[00:53:34] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I mean, friends say the tricky stuff.   Going forward,   you know, all of this thinking that I've   just been doing it. I mean, not all of the sinking,   the little meek a bit of thinking that this has revolved around recently for me. I've   I've landed to come   upon a couple of things.   In general, I think it's better to   try and   invest more time in the friends that you already have or the relationships you already have. Hence, why   basically my whole US trip is just trying to meet a whole bunch of people who I have already met and connected with before.   My   I still have a tolerance for meeting completely new people.  

But it's it's certainly lower than it once was. You know, I've I've I've got my kind of handful of   different groups, old high school friends,   podcasting people, you know, handstand people.   I I don't I don't know how many more buckets I I really need to fill up   with with that if there's any more if I've got any more capacity for   fulfilling up other buckets of friends, I still want   to have the   I still love to have the ability to, you know, if I met a really cool guy or girl and then   would still be able to connect with them and and still   spend the time and energy to becoming friends with them, but it's certainly   lower on   the less likely to happen now than it than it was probably   5 years ago, I think.  

How about you, though? I suppose because you're you're meeting a whole lot more people now with   Vienna kind of forcing you to   to   almost make new   acquaintances and people like that. Do you do you find that or do you find everyone's kind of still in there they're in the parent zone, and it's just like, I haven't got more time for other parents.  

[00:55:31] Juan Granados:

It's largely that. Yeah. He's a lot of see that. There's there's only like a limit and that's the right the right way of saying it's acquaintances because   you generally just meet up with people   at parks or other places where it's, you know, communally,   kids applying and you have some some gentle conversations, but it's much as acquaintance that it would be someone at work. It's   just surface level. Yeah, you're checking in with each other. But   if where you're really going to spend that energy become   friends   and and connect about anything more beyond your kids. Yeah. It's very few and far between. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.  



[00:56:06] Kyrin Down:

Alright, man. I think there's a good place to start to wrap this up. It's a bit of a Yeah. Still a long one. I was gonna say  

[00:56:14] Juan Granados:

it'd be worth it'd be worth to sharing with people, I guess,  

[00:56:17] Kyrin Down:

the plans in the next probably month in terms of the podcast as well. Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of went over it in the last one, but I've locked the stuff more in. So,   coming up in 3 days time, I'll be in Nashville from the 25th to the 28th or Nashville slash Birmingham   from the 29th   through to   the 8th   of   29th July to 8th August, I will be in LA   for most of that time. I have a whole bunch of free time there. So if there are any   people in LA   who   I know and have forgotten or who are longtime listeners and wanna wanna reach out and like, please, please do reach out.   Because I do have some spare time around then.  

I might in that time go up to Las Vegas.   This is one of those times where it's like,   I'd much rather go out with my friend. He's kind of 5050.   And   if he doesn't pull through, it's like, should I go do this thing considering I don't have any   plans to come back to the US in the, you know, next 5, 10 years at the very least,   probably, you   know, who knows how how things work out. But   should I go do that anyway?   Maybe? I don't know. I think that'll be a last minute call.   And then were you thinking and were you thinking of going to Vegas on your own? Well, that's that's what I'm saying. Like, maybe,  

[00:57:38] Juan Granados:

maybe I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you like, I'm gonna say flat out.   I reckon you'd hate it. Yeah, I reckon. Absolutely hate it than if you're on your own. Which is yeah. If you're going there if you're going on there on your own and trying to find, like, activities in that Well, no. The I'd I'd Knowing you? I'd I I I would go there to go see a couple of circus shows of, like, really good hand balances.  

[00:58:01] Kyrin Down:

So that's that would be   the main thing to do there.   But, yeah, is that enough to to drag me out there?   Probably not. Probably not, but who knows?   And then I will be in Canada   in particular Toronto from   I think it's 13th,   and I'm gonna book my ticket back   to Londrina   probably for, like, 19th, something like that. So,   yeah. If if anyone's in those areas, the the people who I already know, I'm planning on catching up with. But if there's any others who just somehow stumble across across this,   reach out, reach out. So I'd love to spend some time with people. That's that's kind of the whole point of going to the US, to be honest.  

[00:58:48] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Well,   there's obviously a few of the conferences. It's gonna be the people that you're trying to meet around. So Yeah. There you go. That's a call out from Karen. If you want to connect to them, he's going to be available. So it's it pull it out. You can do that obviously,   email, you know, email message, whatever. There's lots of ways you can do so again, that discord chatted away, connect them that way. And I think so   the following weekend as well,  

[00:59:08] Kyrin Down:

I'll be doing sort of a solo episode as well then. Yeah. Yeah. So if you if you can do your My my goals. Your, yeah, your yearly goals, that would be wicked.   And then the one after, we can do monthly goals and   meanderings together because I will be in LA and I should have a kind of workspace station available to do that.   And I don't   think the timing is   crazy. So I think we'd still be able to roughly keep this   same timing. Let me quickly   quickly do this.   World time buddy   and loss. For those who haven't used World Time Buddy before, I find it the best   website world world time body dotcom and it just has like a real simple, easy interface for   going between time zones. So,   what is it? 7 a. M. There in Australia is 2 p. M. In Los Angeles. So I can absolutely do that.  

Would you? Perfect timing. Yeah. So that would be for the,   3rd   or my 3rd, your 4th   of August.   And I'm gonna say this now, I won't, because there's a good chance I'll forget a happy birthday   because   if I if I forget   was which is   a, as a high likelihood  

[01:00:23] Juan Granados:

of happening. Enjoy your birthday, man. Of happening. Yeah. It is coming up in a couple of days. A A couple of days happened to be frank. I almost forgot as well that that was coming up. So I was, oh, yeah. Still a week and a half, but yeah.  

[01:00:34] Kyrin Down:

Still a week and a half.  

[01:00:37] Juan Granados:

We think about you, man. Yes. That is coming up another another year. And as I said to a couple of people in my work, who had their birthday, it's like a week. We could say I go, I said to them, I was like, I bet they hope you enjoy it. Another another day closer towards, you know, entropy and death.   They found that half morbid half reality. Like, yeah, you know what, it's also   passing the time and for me, at least, it goes very quick. It's very, very, very, very quick at the moment because between everything I'm trying to do and connect with my daughter and family and friends, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's just, it's incredibly quick. Between I think it was like Monday through Thursday,   The,   like I marked most most days with a, like a bath in the morning and a bath at night with my daughter. And the time in between was so quick. It was just like a blink of an eye.  

So birthdays come quickly.   Time goes fast, then go spending it   waste it away with people. You don't wanna hang out or doing things you don't want to. Exactly, man. Exactly.  

[01:01:34] Kyrin Down:

I had another great insult recently.   Well, I saw it. It was a video of a guy live streaming, and the and the comment said, you're looking skinnier today than you will than you are tomorrow.   It was like a it was like a medium fat guy. Like, he was he was he was getting bordering on obese. Well, probably technically, he's not obese, but yeah.   Well, that was a pretty good one. A comeback. That's good. I love that. Not even a comeback. Just a straight up insult out of nowhere. So straight up insult.   Beautiful. Alright. I'll wrap this up. There's a value for value podcast. We're talking a little bit about advertising and sponsorships   and things like that. You'll find none of that here. We operate in the value for value system, which is we just ask that you return value for whatever you've gotten from this. So this podcast will always be available anytime, anywhere, any place for free. And,   we just ask that you return some of that value. So you can do that by sharing this video or liking, commenting   or word-of-mouth is really helpful.  

Telling someone how much you enjoy the mere mortals.   You can do this by sending in some topic suggestions, giving us some talent. What are some things that you enjoy joining us in the chat like Lucas, Patricia and Gregory did? That's always really   fun. And then finally, you can help us out with some treasure. You can do this by go into meremodelspodcast.com/support.   And on there, we've got some various options for how you can send in some support. We're probably gonna be getting a big   chunky one soon one into that PayPal, but that's gonna be Dave Jones repaying me back for the accommodation. So,   unfortunately, I don't think we can count that as we don't count that.  

It would be an easy way to boost up the numbers, but I don't I don't think that technically counts. So we'll leave it there.   Beautiful.  

[01:03:23] Juan Granados:

Good. All right. All right. Well, thank you very much. Yes. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. Appreciate it once again. And the other part actually, we've got mentioned in the book reviews, as I think current leader in a couple of other areas, but I've got a quite a few books lined up as well over the next couple of weeks, given current's gonna be busy. Yeah, you've meeting you've got you people enjoying themselves. 3 lined up. Will you have 4? Are you doing another one for the meditation? I've already recorded the I've already I've already recorded the 4th one. Okay, beautiful. Sweet. Yeah. If you do those 4 weeks, then I'll be back. And,  

[01:03:50] Kyrin Down:

and I can do probably like the next 4 or 5 while I'm here in Brazil.  

[01:03:56] Juan Granados:

Yep. No. That'll be that'll be easy. It's gonna be an easy easy thing to do. But yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you very much, everyone, for tuning in.   Once again, if if you have other comments, especially actually at the moment,   whether it's through a boostgram or it's through, yeah, sending through a message and questions inquiry, especially as like Karen's traveling,   you know, send them through so that we can also use that as leverage points to talk about certain things that you might find interesting, right? Yeah. That's also   a good way to chat about things. Any Brazil questions?  



[01:04:26] Kyrin Down:

Hit them, hit me up. I'm your guy.  

[01:04:29] Juan Granados:

That's got the info. Alright, thank you very much, everybody. I hope you're well wherever you are in the world. We mortalize.  

[01:04:34] Kyrin Down:

Bye now. Bye. Ciao.   Ciao.