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Kieran is back for his 2nd appearance after first appearing in Conversation #62.

In Conversation #91, Kieran and I discuss: orange pilling people and businesses in real life, how kids are learning & interacting with blockchain technology, how we both might be going a little bit crazy, the value 4 value system and his implementation of a Decentralised Autonomous Education System (DAES).

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Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro to Kieran
(0:56) - Blockchain meetups
(3:54) - Technological communes
(7:13) - The Bitcoin Whitepaper doesn't mention blockchain or economics
(10:04) - Bitcoin meetups
(14:28) - Building communities is hard
(18:21) - Job satisfaction
(25:53) - Slow decentralisation away from YouTube
(31:55) - Meeting Roger Ver
(37:15) - The School of Bitcoin
(43:42) - Value 4 Value Will Eat Everything
(51:11) - Wallet hygiene
(55:19) - Stocks vs Cryptocurrencies
(1:01:32) - Getting Andreas Antonopoulos onto V4V
(1:05:32) - Using BTC in the wild
(1:14:32) - Europe & El Salvador Travel
(1:18:57) - Setting up a cyber academy


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Welcome Mere Mortalites
to another round

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of the conversations. Today.
I had a chat with my friend

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Kieran Nolan
for his second appearance

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on The Mere Mortals, the first
being in number 62,

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where we talked about IPFS
the interplanetary file system.

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We talked about
learning development

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for young kids and teaching in
primary schools

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and we talked about
blockchain technology.

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This was a more casual chat
and that was a catch up for us.

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So we talked about Bitcoin
a lot, going to meet ups,

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being able to use it
in real life,

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his experiences, meeting
Roger Ver. We also talked about

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value 4 value.
How he’s implementing this

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with his school of Bitcoin
and all of the

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other numerous hats
that he is wearing.

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This is a Value
for Value podcast.

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Other than that,
I do hope you enjoyed

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this conversation.
I wanted to ask you about meetups

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to start out with.
Funnily enough,

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I was checking out
our last convo, which we had in

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November of 2021. I don't think I
really asked you about Bitcoin

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at all, or meetups or like
all the things that we talk about

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nowadays, we're
talking about ipfs

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and rocket shoes
and things like that. So

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you're up here with the mixing
with the blockchain

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peeps at the moment. Yeah.
How do you find that?

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So I get from the most
that you're more of a bitcoin,

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but what, what do you find
with like

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the mixing between other
crews and whatnot?

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So you seem to go around
a lot of circles.

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Yeah. Too I suppose. Like for me,
like it's

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been interesting actually
because I've had

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like the last year or
so being quiet orange and like

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orange feeling people.
And I think like the

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for the monetary aspect, I think
it's really important to exist.

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Like I think there's, there's
a group of people

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in the crypto community
that if I get rich quick,

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you know,
and this is what we want to do.

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A fair few of that.
Is a lot of that, right?

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And I think the Bitcoin is a
sort of more altruistic

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which is sort of
attractive to me. So that's like

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why of gravitated towards that.
And obviously the stuff

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with El Salvador,
like what's happening with third

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world countries
like the unbanked,

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that's really important
and that's what the technology is

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built for, right? So it's it's
kind of the opposite of crypto.

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But I will say like from working
with the Blockchain Academy,

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so I've started
as the head of training

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fairly recently,
so I've been there

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for like two months.
I think it's really

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it's of Saturday
and a new primary school

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at the same time,
some doing higher ed

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and primary school
kids at the same time

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like, like learning,
learning about like how they

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sort of learn differently
and then integrating. It's like

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this sort of cutting
edge technology,

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I suppose, in both.
But what I've noticed with the

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the blockchain
academies, the students

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from their this thinking around
disintermediation has been

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really interesting. So they've,
they've come up

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with Slate basically
with their course deployment

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advanced to the point where
you have to take

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like a centralised business model
and then decentralise it.

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That's essentially
what you have to do and these are

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the processes to do it
and so it doesn't

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really get into the nitty gritty
of the technology so much.

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It's more about the thinking
around decentralisation.

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So they've got all these students
who are like obviously

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working as well, and some of them
in sort of mundane jobs

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you might say, and they're sort
of picking apart these jobs

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and looking at different things
you can disintermediate.

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So essentially fixing
like legacy stuff.

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So it's kind of like made me
change my mindset a little bit.

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So obviously I'm like, I'm
not done with any of the crypto

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get rich quick schemes,
but in terms of the tech

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and the creativity that it brings
out in people, you know, my mind

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sort of flipped
a little bit with that.

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So I'm like, Yeah, cool. If you
if you want to use some of the

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blockchain tech
or decentralised tech

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to do this thing
that you're doing.

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So like for example,
this one, one guy who

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lost his house in
the floods, so I think is Lisbon.

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Is it like the space
in Queensland that like there was

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massive floods.
Would have probably been

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Milton West End
Those are the areas right, right

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by the river. He did mention,
but I've forgotten so doing

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one on ones within. Sort of
these were the floods,

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probably the brazen ones I.
Think the rates on site. 2022.

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Yeah yeah some big floods.
I think pretty hardcore.

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So he's taken that is doing this
blockchain course and he wants to

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build a decentralised community.
So he's got like money

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for a massive block of land
and he wants to do

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the whole thing off grid
like he's a solar expert

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and like all this called
decentralised tech,

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like involved with that
and that's

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all kind of sparked from
Bitcoin, right?

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So Satoshi's Whitepaper is now
basically made this

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guy creative enough,
like in his thinking

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to build out this
like decentralised community.

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So kind of, I suppose akin to
like what he wants to do is like

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akin to like communes
that these have like

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in the seventies and stuff,
but like a tech

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version of that. Yeah.
Like this is awesome.

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Like he sold me,
I was like, oh well like,

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how do I sign up to this place?
It sounds amazing.

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Like, so, like, shared
electric vehicles and all that

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sort of stuff. He's doing like
the whole thing. I'm like, Whoa,

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this is nuts.
That'd be really cool

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because I haven't really seen
a version of that as of yet.

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That commune,
which has all the latest,

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one of my good friends
from from way back,

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my next door neighbour,
actually, he, he kind of

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gravitated towards that. That's
his kind of lifestyle

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and he's been living
communistic type

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type things for a while. Yeah.
And there is just like this

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very much a
the naturalistic thing. Yeah.

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We don't want tech,
we don't want screens. Yeah.

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So yeah, I've yet to really see
a version of it with that

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integrated into it. Pretty cool.
It would make sense with you know

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electric vehicles
and even just car sharing

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Yeah yeah And then use your car
what 5% of the time.

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Exactly. Exactly. And energy
sharing like between space

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like makes complete sense.
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah pretty cool.

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And I think there's
like been like with the

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blockchain space,
like obviously we're like we

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ran an event yesterday.
We had about, I think 50

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students broke up,
which is pretty cool right from

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age ten ish, right up to 16.
So we had them all

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set up with their own
lot in wallets.

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We did like a seed phrase haunt
we did for for bitcoin.

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We did like spatial
and we did like an online

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inscription for the mural arts.
We got them all

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to make art together.
It's a whole bunch of cool stuff,

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but it was all Bitcoin based
kind of painting blockchain

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week orange a little bit, but
it's cool. So I think

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there's a lot of
there's a lot to be said.

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I think we can kind of flip
the narrative

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a little bit as well. So like,
you know how Bitcoin

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was rebounded,
rebranded blockchain

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by the banks, essentially.
I think we can hijack that back.

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Yeah, yeah. Go. Yeah, cool.
Blockchain with the bitcoin

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be at the start, right? Yeah.
I was actually reading

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the Bitcoin whitepaper recently.
That's kind of one of my

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it was one of my monthly goals
for myself. And it's

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pretty interesting
going back to that because one,

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it is readable,
even just for normies. Yeah,

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I don't consider myself that tech
literate, but yeah,

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even I can get into it.
And one of the things

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that jumped out at me
from this last reading was

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he actually doesn't mention
anything about economics. That's

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almost nothing in it.
The number 121

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million doesn't appear.
But the hmm,

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the emphasis is really on
the technology and peer to peer.

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And it's not about what is money
was Austrian economics.

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How is that different
from Keynesian? You know, there's

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nothing about inflation.
There's nothing

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about interest rates. There's
nothing about that. Yeah.

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Which I, I think is useful
to, to recognise because it,

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it can kind of get
distorted as well. A lot of the

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Bitcoin podcasts, I hear that the
financial podcast,

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they're not they're
not actually that Bitcoin get

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sucked into it. Yeah, that's good
branding of it,

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but is definitely more
a financial one. Yeah.

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And that's when I go, Oh,
you know what, that's,

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that's fine and all
if you're into finances.

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But it kind of almost does
feel like that's being hijacked

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by the financing. Yeah.
And this is where I go,

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you know, people like Andre
Saint in office,

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You mentioned him as well. Yeah.
Yeah, he's great because it

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only slightly touches upon it,
but his focus is really the tech

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and the tech. And how can this
help people? Yes. El Salvador.

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How you help people in Argentina.
How can this

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help people in Africa? Yeah.
And I really more

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appreciate that.
And I think it's it's

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good to just kind of recognise
100% the economic stuff

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that's that's so that's a
deep well to go down if you're

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trying to get down into that.
Yeah it is. Well and also

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the white paper never mentions
the word blockchain either.

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You go through something.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Right.

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So it's interesting
but yeah, I got, I haven't,

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I should go back
and read over again

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like with fresh eyes
I suppose it's been. Yeah.

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When was the last time.
Is that. Definitely. Give it a.

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C actually since like
our school we had

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in the shipping container
up on the walls. I don't think

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I've looked at it like since.
So Yeah. Well I'll go back

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and have another squiz at it
because you

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always get something new
don't you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I tried
some of the other ones,

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the Etherium.
I don't know if it's good

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white paper,
yellow paper maybe. Yeah.

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And that one when this is,
this is too hard to read.

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I don't understand a lot of this.
Yeah, it's a smart guy, but yeah,

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that was, that was too hard.
Does it? Doesn't

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the whitepaper change
every week as well? Yeah.

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So it's trying to try
to find exactly what they always

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they like names
around there as well. Yeah.

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But I mean
look I've been going to

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meet ups for a fair while now.
Started going to them I think.

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Yeah, it would have been in 2021.
So it's good

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like two years. Yeah.
Relatively consistent

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and you just get a feel
for the different types

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of people there is.
It's kind of hard

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to pick to be honest,
you know? Right.

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There's a real freedom lovers.
Yep, there's

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the real privacy people.
But then it's a thing

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which is an open ledger,
you know? Yeah.

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Y as a privacy lover.
Yeah. Really?

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Into this sort of deal. Yeah.
And it. There's

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some genuine, crazy
people that I've met. And

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then also once where I'm like,
well, these are super,

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super smart as well.
And it's just it's

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hard to get a feel for it
and it kind of, kind of does

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feel like it's
for everyone because

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it's diverse. Yeah, yeah,
everyone kind of finds their own

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little niche for,
for what they want from a

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for sure. For sure. And that's,
that's the sign of

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good technology. But
also it's like the

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we talked about it
last night actually the anyone

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who's suited up
is usually a scammer,

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so you can pick them. Up.
Trying to sell you

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something that you
probably don't want. So yeah,

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but for the rest of it,
I think there's, there's

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really nice people
I think that I've met.

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I get a lot of meetups,
you will get some,

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you know, weirdos
or whatever, but

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like we spun one up
at the Mornington

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Peninsula now so we run the
peninsula Bitcoin

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potential Bitcoin dot com. Yeah.
Um, and that has taken off

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really quickly.
So we've got like a

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lot of people involved,
which is weird

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because I tried spinning
something up like on my own,

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like pandemic times
such a blur like that.

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Yeah, that.
Is whatever, whatever,

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whatever time it was like
when we first sort of move

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the moved into
the house was like, Oh cool.

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There's a learning space
like around the corner

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that's open. I'm like,
Maybe I'll like spin this up.

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Like, ask the people there
if we could use it. Like, yeah,

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And then it kind of fizzled out
and we are, well, whatever.

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And now we like using
that same space

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and we've got like
a bunch of people in there.

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We got like businesses
on boarding and it's like

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it's really taken off
and really nice community as well

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and diverse, but also a
probably more left wing like left

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leaning people in the group
because like,

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like you were saying
before, you get a lot of

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sort of right wing is.
Just very concerned I think.

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Libertarians and that
sort of group. Yes.

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But the Peninsula Group's
kind of more focussed

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on the energy
aspect and clean energy

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and using badges.
It's really cool.

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So yeah, it's exciting.
So I think it's like between that

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and then the
the Melbourne Bitcoin only group,

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it's that's really exploded
as well as a lot of cool

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people there.
So it's all happening

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and we've on boarded
so it's really funny

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I actually had I so it's doing my
teaching cert at

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presentation in Rosebud
and so happened like everyone in

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the group got COVID except for me
as including the teacher of me

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and like one of the student.
And so we were like,

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Oh, what are we doing today?
That's the thing at

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the culinary arts, people came in
and said, like, we're doing

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our assessment. Do you guys
want to do fine

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dining for the day?
Like, all. Right.

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So walked into the next
room, was in there and

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just through chatting
I was like, Oh,

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so you own like this Fox Hotel,
You're the owner.

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And she's like, Yeah,
I'm doing this

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so I can like, you know, teach
bartending and stuff. I was like,

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Can we run Bitcoin meet offset
your space? She's like,

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you know, like,
what is going to explode?

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And so I'd do like a full Bitcoin
lesson over breakfast. And then,

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you know, we've got a,
like a awesome space like this,

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this massive bar that we're
doing events in now.

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So just from everyone
getting COVID, it was like

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a big positive
sort of came out of that.

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So it's pretty cool.
So yeah, like two massive meet

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ups that we got. And then there's
the Yoshi Gallery as well.

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So that's we did that last week
and that's

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really cutting edge space
that they've built with.

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I was like blown away
our core audience

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and that's more sort of
art driven, but it's named

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after Satoshi,
which I didn't click

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with until after all
all she galleries did so she that

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so pretty cool
so got a lot of cool

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made up stuff happening.
You have building

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communities really hard.
I one of my goals for

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this last year was to to try
and integrate

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more into communities.
Yeah, because I've always

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I've always been a bit of a loner
to be honest. A worker

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probably is right on forums.
I would always look, I would just

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I didn't want
to speak with people. I remember

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I actually had a
it was a legit goal.

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I wrote it down and I was nervous
about it,

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which was to write a post
on a forum sometime

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because I was just
so uncomfortable.

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That's so funny.
Putting stuff out there. Yeah,

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and I've kind
of been trying to do it

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a bit recently
and it is hard, man, especially

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with the tech stuff.
I do like time

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spending time online. Yeah,
and that seems to be a big push.

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That's ironic. Yeah, I know.
It's my life is just full

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of contradictions
and it's it's the, the aspect

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of, of kind of being in discord
or writing on Twitter

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or posting on Instagram
or things like that. I just try

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and get that out of the way.
I don't want to actually be

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on those platforms. I don't
I don't get fun from that

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unless it's sending me arms
to a friend. Yeah, And it's

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so hearing more about
the sort of stuff

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doing it in real life.
Yeah, that's really cool.

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Yeah, it's, yeah, I kind of.
How would you say

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you went about it?
You just chatting

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with random people?
I guess that's your podcast.

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All right. Yeah. Happy, friendly,
pretty much. I think for

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random things.
If someone says yes.

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Yeah, like not. Yeah, not.
Not really planned at all.

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It's like all kind of happened
and it's all

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kind of happened at once,
which is pretty,

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it's pretty awesome.
So it's like, yeah,

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like you're saying the,
the online stuff

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versus like in-person,
like I'd much prefer

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in-person events
like going to places

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and everything, but online has
its place as well. And I think

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the cool thing now
is that we can do

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like this sort of stuff
online and it's,

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it's not as good, but it's like
if you're on the other side

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of the world, you can communicate
with people.

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That's awesome, right?
So we can create

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learning communities,
especially online

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now that don't have to be
in one building. And I think that

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that was one of the other cool
things that came out of COVID.

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Like a lot of people realising
that is a lot of work from home,

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a lot of schools migrated online
and a lot of the kids

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don't want to go back
to like the old stuff. Yeah, So.

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Yeah, yeah. I think that's
a positive, right?

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So we're all sort of
moving in a direction

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where it's not that
9 to 5 going to the city

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or going to this
building to do something,

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we can do it online. So yeah,
I think there's

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I like the hybrid models
as well as like sort of having

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stuff online and in person.
But yeah, it's I think it's all

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positive. But like the the
in-person stuff that

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we've been doing recently
because we were locked up

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for so long in Melbourne,
it's just like so refreshing.

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Well, this is amazing.
We can like speak to

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each other in person.
So yeah, it's cool.

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I never got to experience
either of those, I suppose,

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because when I worked
in the mining industry,

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coal mining, it was you
go out to the mine

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every single week and I
didn't do a day of work

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from either at home
or even in the office in Mackay.

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Yeah, so I never
got to experience it. For me,

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work was always
associated with going out

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and staying in a completely
different space,

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and that space wasn't
particularly fun. I always

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I don't think anyone really
wanted to be out there. Maybe

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5% of people really enjoy
driving big trucks

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or digging excavators
and that lifestyle

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or particularly the lifestyle.
Yeah, it's hard, man.

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It's it's really, really hard.
So I never got to experience

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either the hybrid model
or stay at home. Yeah, kind of

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been doing this stuff
since. Since then. It's a really

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interesting thing. Deuce I was
talking to my partner

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this morning. We're talking about
job satisfaction. Do you think

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that's a thing like, should
people have job satisfaction now

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or should they be chasing
like money? And, you know,

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I suppose comfort level
with within their job?

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Because to me, it's the most
important thing for we're

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kind of going back
and forth on that. Like what's

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what's your opinion?
It's a tough one because for me,

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I didn't know what I wanted to do
when I was young.

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So yeah, from 16
through to mid-twenties,

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I had no idea. And so
the best thing for me

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was actually earning money
and earning a fair bit

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in the mining industry.
Right in Salt Lake.

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I was relatively good at it,
didn't it didn't cost me too much

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mental strain.
Yeah, I was always good

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at maths and science.
So going to uni

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I still worked hard but I, I kind
of breezed through. If

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I, if I'd just not worked
as hard, I would have got

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probably fives without trying,
trying too hard.

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So even though I didn't
enjoy the mining industry

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or even engineering,
I'm like the most

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useless engineer ever
because I actually don't

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like problem solving.
It's not that intriguing to me.

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I don't I don't go seeking out
problems and be like,

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Oh, this is fun. And I'm
a software problem

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that's just like, Oh no, wow,
this is not what I want.

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I rather the things
stay the same. So for me

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it was really good to earn
a whole bunch of money because it

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gave me options to explore,
to travel, to try out

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podcasting, realise
I really enjoy it and oh yeah,

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this is the thing I want to do.
This is, this is kind of the path

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and rather go down. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't know.

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Everyone's so individual. Man.
I was just thinking

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recently about
giving broad advice.

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I once was online,
was interacting

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with another podcaster
in a kind of Facebook group.

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So kind of overcame my,
my fear of posting

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and things like that. Yeah. And I
put this generalisation out about

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the mining industry
because she had a topic

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related to it. And another person
in the group was a miner

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that worked in the mines
for 30 years. I'd only been there

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for three years, so I was just,
I was kind of

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just saying some shit
out of my asked

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for generalisation
from only a couple

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of years experience
and you goes, Yeah,

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I've been in it for 30 years
and I would say that

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this is the site
completely contradicting

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what I was saying. I can't even
remember what it was. And I went,

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You know what? That is probably
a good learning point.

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Don't, don't do generalisations
if you don't know

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about the topic.
Yeah, this is a topic

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I have no idea about. Yeah.
My work, my work

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experience is limited
to the three years that I had

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in the mine, so I'm just not.
But I can say this doesn't

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feel like a job. Yeah. And that's
the most important thing.

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Yeah, absolutely. I really enjoy,
you know, all the days

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kind of blend together.
Saturdays are the same

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as Thursdays, right?
So just do stuff

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for the podcast on it
and I can kind of do it

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at my own schedule,
leave the afternoons off

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for workouts, do stuff
in the morning

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with care and recording
and editing in the evening

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when my brain's fried.
You know, that's that's

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the kind of perfect awesome is
schedule for me.

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So yeah, satisfaction,
I guess is is high up

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for the roof. Yeah. And but it's
it's not particularly a job

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now just the lifestyle.
Just Yeah just.

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The but I don't know
What do you think

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most people can find that
because I mean look there's just

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some jobs that need doing
and I, I don't know if anyone's

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going to love it. There's always
going to be a need

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for for janitors. There's always
going to be a need for people

442
00:22:02,278 --> 00:22:05,740
to go down into the sewers.
There's always going to be a need

443
00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:09,952
for people to, you know,
check me two boxes.

444
00:22:09,952 --> 00:22:13,123
A lot of it can,
I guess, be automated. Robotics.

445
00:22:13,123 --> 00:22:17,126
By, uh, especially the
physical jobs that the physical,

446
00:22:17,126 --> 00:22:20,172
highly detailed ones, they're not
going to go away for for a while.

447
00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:23,215
No. You know, I don't know
if you can get job satisfaction

448
00:22:23,215 --> 00:22:25,218
from something. I just
I think some of them are

449
00:22:25,218 --> 00:22:27,679
that intriguing.
Yeah, it's interesting.

450
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,390
So I was going after the money.
They but I only ask it

451
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:35,019
because, like, I've obviously
started two new jobs, like fairly

452
00:22:35,019 --> 00:22:37,271
close to each other, like one
being the primary school

453
00:22:37,271 --> 00:22:40,150
and then one higher ed
and there's no day.

454
00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:43,153
Then I wake up like, Oh shit,
I've got to go to work. Yeah,

455
00:22:43,153 --> 00:22:45,529
it's always fun, exciting,
like doing stuff

456
00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:48,825
with the students, with doing
like some really cool

457
00:22:48,825 --> 00:22:51,077
projects, like, you know,
building their own games,

458
00:22:51,077 --> 00:22:54,080
like doing stuff with lightning.
Like, we've got

459
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,416
so much cool stuff we're building
in the classroom, like turning it

460
00:22:57,416 --> 00:23:00,336
into a smart classroom. So like,
iota stuff

461
00:23:00,336 --> 00:23:02,798
that we're building out,
like building their own computers

462
00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:06,259
every day is like, fun.
It's, it's like, it's, it's

463
00:23:06,259 --> 00:23:07,635
exhausting
because we got like a lot

464
00:23:07,635 --> 00:23:10,388
of kids in that space and they're
all excited, but

465
00:23:10,388 --> 00:23:13,599
there's never any day.
I got like, Oh, no, I got to go

466
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,103
to work again. Like it's,
it's always cool.

467
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:18,105
And the same thing
for Blockchain Academy. So like,

468
00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:22,901
we're building out this like new
curriculum essentially. And yeah,

469
00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:25,653
working with cool people
pretty much every day.

470
00:23:25,653 --> 00:23:28,240
So I'm just like,
This is awesome. Yeah, I think,

471
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,990
I think that's
part of it as well.

472
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:31,451
I don't hate the people
I've works with,

473
00:23:31,451 --> 00:23:34,162
but I didn't form
really great friendships

474
00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:36,957
with them. Yeah, right.
And I was with them a lot.

475
00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:38,750
We were doing 12
hour days in the office

476
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:42,253
and, you know, and it was open
plan, right?

477
00:23:42,253 --> 00:23:43,922
There's a guy sitting
right next to me

478
00:23:43,922 --> 00:23:46,508
and one on the other side
and one around the corner,

479
00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:53,557
right and one behind me.
And yeah, I would just say it was

480
00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:55,642
I kind of get to choose
who I work with now,

481
00:23:55,642 --> 00:23:58,185
I suppose. Yeah. So that
I think makes

482
00:23:58,185 --> 00:23:59,980
a pretty big difference.
Any difference for sure.

483
00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:02,982
Yeah, that's cool. That's yeah,
it's tough on. It's going to be

484
00:24:02,982 --> 00:24:06,528
real interesting seeing how
the world changes with

485
00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:11,365
how I think for the better
with a lot of just technology

486
00:24:11,365 --> 00:24:15,162
eating up jobs and new ones
getting formed, which hopefully

487
00:24:15,162 --> 00:24:18,539
people enjoy more. Yeah, with so
you're talking

488
00:24:18,539 --> 00:24:21,041
about energy just before
and this is one of the ones

489
00:24:21,041 --> 00:24:24,671
where I've I've said some stuff
and I don't go, yeah,

490
00:24:24,671 --> 00:24:26,964
I actually don't know
that much about it. So this book

491
00:24:26,964 --> 00:24:29,049
at the moment
that I'm reading through

492
00:24:29,049 --> 00:24:33,221
and it was talking about the,
the old coal mines in, in England

493
00:24:33,221 --> 00:24:36,974
and this was 617.
And one of the big

494
00:24:36,974 --> 00:24:40,604
breakthroughs in energy was
the steam engine. But before

495
00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:43,981
that was actually how to use
one of the first engines.

496
00:24:43,981 --> 00:24:47,861
And they used it for basically
pumping water out of the mines.

497
00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:51,490
Right. So it was called
the Newcomen steam engine.

498
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,201
And it was basically
super inefficient.

499
00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:58,663
I think 1% efficiency
of converting the coal energy

500
00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:02,459
into actual mechanical energy
for for pumping this stuff up.

501
00:25:02,459 --> 00:25:06,046
But it was just crazy, man.
Those jobs were awful. You know,

502
00:25:06,046 --> 00:25:09,715
kids were going down. And there
you've seen probably some photos

503
00:25:09,715 --> 00:25:12,885
on the Internet
of Belgian coal miners and a

504
00:25:12,885 --> 00:25:16,138
a mineshaft and one of the
cages, elevators going down.

505
00:25:16,138 --> 00:25:20,852
Horrendous of. Just awful,
awful conditions. And I

506
00:25:20,852 --> 00:25:23,646
wonder if in a hundred years time
they look back at us

507
00:25:23,646 --> 00:25:25,397
and they're like,
look at these people

508
00:25:25,397 --> 00:25:28,026
nailed to their desks.
They didn't have sunlight.

509
00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:31,028
Would they consider out
our things?

510
00:25:31,028 --> 00:25:34,950
You know, rats in a cage?
Potentially, yeah. At this

511
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:38,202
particular suit or, you know, the
the chains of slavery

512
00:25:38,202 --> 00:25:40,747
and things like that,
I wouldn't be surprised.

513
00:25:40,747 --> 00:25:42,374
I wouldn't be surprised
if they look at that

514
00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:45,794
like we look at maybe a farmer
who was having

515
00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:49,005
to plough the fields by hand.
Yeah. With a horse

516
00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:52,174
and individually like bend down
to put in plants

517
00:25:52,174 --> 00:25:54,594
and things like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, it's my favourite

518
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:58,056
Antonopoulos quote
which I'm going to butcher. Yeah.

519
00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:01,518
We played it yesterday, so
it's like when we interview

520
00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:04,813
names of the kids, like did
the Bitcoin interview with him.

521
00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:07,356
And just yesterday. No, no, no.
This is like, from,

522
00:26:07,356 --> 00:26:12,487
from years ago. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
And he, they asked about the,

523
00:26:12,487 --> 00:26:14,280
like the YouTube
videos getting deleted

524
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,909
so like YouTube deleting them for
I think there was like two

525
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:21,371
big ones was one for
something to do

526
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:23,205
like one of the kids is doing
the Enigma machine

527
00:26:23,205 --> 00:26:28,002
on like GMO foods and whatever
she put in there like YouTube

528
00:26:28,002 --> 00:26:31,213
like it and deleted
and then a bunch of them

529
00:26:31,213 --> 00:26:35,468
around like gaming and like using
game footage that belongs to

530
00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:37,095
somebody else
and it's like deleted.

531
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:38,930
It's like they work
really hard to like, edit

532
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:41,682
this thing, put it up,
and then YouTube says no,

533
00:26:41,682 --> 00:26:45,394
so we can ask him about that.
And he was like, Well, the

534
00:26:45,394 --> 00:26:48,397
my answer is like to not use
YouTube, right? Is like,

535
00:26:48,397 --> 00:26:52,109
But all my videos are on YouTube.
And he's like, It's kind of like

536
00:26:53,236 --> 00:26:57,615
going to work on a horse to
go and build a car, essentially.

537
00:26:57,615 --> 00:27:00,160
I'm like, Yeah, that's
100% right. That's exactly

538
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,828
what it is. It's using
these like Web two tools

539
00:27:02,828 --> 00:27:06,249
to get out the information
out to people to build

540
00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:08,167
the new into that sort of thing.
Yeah, there's

541
00:27:08,167 --> 00:27:12,422
this really cool stuff
happening within podcast and 2.0

542
00:27:12,422 --> 00:27:17,384
and that it's kind of the breach
is it's expanding

543
00:27:17,384 --> 00:27:19,179
beyond podcasting at the moment.
There's a lot of

544
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:20,888
really cool stuff
going on with music

545
00:27:20,888 --> 00:27:24,017
and yeah, it's, it's all related
to value for value,

546
00:27:24,017 --> 00:27:26,853
which we'll kind of get to, but.
Like what we have like

547
00:27:26,853 --> 00:27:28,605
and all that sort. Of stuff,
a little bit of what

548
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:32,025
Blake's doing and you,
if you've heard of that.

549
00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:35,778
No, it's basically a,
I think they use Activity pub

550
00:27:35,778 --> 00:27:37,864
as the kind of
underlying protocol

551
00:27:37,864 --> 00:27:41,409
and it's, it's basically for
hosting video. So it's cool.

552
00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:43,118
I don't think they would
consider themselves

553
00:27:43,118 --> 00:27:45,038
YouTube competitors,
but it's a place

554
00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:47,332
where you can upload
your video, right?

555
00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:49,250
I've used a couple
of them before.

556
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:51,752
No Agenda tube is a
is kind of big one.

557
00:27:51,752 --> 00:27:54,673
Yeah, it's Adam Curry. Yeah.
And one of the big things

558
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,592
that's kind of I'm starting
to see coming from this is

559
00:27:57,592 --> 00:27:59,259
now the problem with video
is just hosting it.

560
00:27:59,259 --> 00:28:03,222
Hosting it is just huge
ridiculous and would still

561
00:28:03,222 --> 00:28:07,018
probably need decades
of just bandwidth and

562
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:09,854
and lowering costs
and having bigger

563
00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:12,272
and bigger hard drives.
And and storage isn't

564
00:28:13,316 --> 00:28:16,027
and capabilities
like that or compression.

565
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,696
Yeah or compression
that a better way

566
00:28:18,696 --> 00:28:21,407
of delivering it. Yeah.
And but there's

567
00:28:21,407 --> 00:28:23,867
some really cool stuff
with with live YouTube

568
00:28:23,867 --> 00:28:26,788
does it reasonably well.
Yeah but you can get

569
00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:29,999
better experiences
on some of these ones. I think

570
00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:34,086
with the integration of value
for value of really cool to it's

571
00:28:34,086 --> 00:28:37,798
kind of like
the super chats, the, the ability

572
00:28:37,798 --> 00:28:41,301
to have multiple different
kind of chat comments and get

573
00:28:41,301 --> 00:28:45,222
your favourite creators attention
whilst their lives,

574
00:28:45,222 --> 00:28:48,934
but without having to do
any of the payment system abuses

575
00:28:48,934 --> 00:28:53,272
without any of the
risk of de-platforming because

576
00:28:53,272 --> 00:28:56,108
you're able to decentralise
it on activity pop

577
00:28:56,108 --> 00:28:58,027
or something like that. Yeah.
So yeah, there's some

578
00:28:58,027 --> 00:29:00,821
really cool stuff
coming out of that too. Well,

579
00:29:00,821 --> 00:29:02,449
I don't think
YouTube's coming away

580
00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:05,535
anytime soon. Not that that thing
is going to be existing

581
00:29:05,535 --> 00:29:09,038
for a long time. Yeah, but
I think alternatives

582
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:10,874
like portions
of what makes YouTube

583
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:13,084
really great
will go to other places.

584
00:29:13,084 --> 00:29:16,755
Yeah. Yeah. Commenting system.
Hopefully that'll come into

585
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:19,840
to podcasting the
the live experience

586
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,634
I think that could go elsewhere
and then YouTube is

587
00:29:22,634 --> 00:29:25,888
is just good for the
like long form videos

588
00:29:25,888 --> 00:29:29,392
or even shows on I guess as well.
Yeah. And I think there's

589
00:29:29,392 --> 00:29:30,934
there's obviously
a lot of tech out there it's like

590
00:29:30,934 --> 00:29:33,645
I'll be on Y.
Yeah, I've tried that

591
00:29:33,645 --> 00:29:36,398
a little bit, but.
Pritchard's always cool

592
00:29:36,398 --> 00:29:38,984
because it just like syncs
YouTube channel

593
00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:40,944
in the background. Yeah,
I think it's still doing it

594
00:29:40,944 --> 00:29:44,199
for a while since I've checked.
Yeah, it's cool.

595
00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:45,909
Like, I mean, it's a great,
great way to do it.

596
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:49,662
And I think like the,
the way they built

597
00:29:49,662 --> 00:29:52,373
it out was pretty cool.
I kind of wish

598
00:29:52,373 --> 00:29:55,375
they didn't do their own token,
like it would be all it was just.

599
00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:58,003
So it's got to be a token.
Yeah, but it'd be cool

600
00:29:58,003 --> 00:30:02,549
just lightning like it
for, for interaction with

601
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:04,219
the people on there
because they have got like the Oh

602
00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:07,305
boy token and
Odyssey is the front end.

603
00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:10,474
So it's kind of like
obfuscated like the I think the

604
00:30:10,474 --> 00:30:13,435
original mission for that.
But like things like pitched and

605
00:30:13,435 --> 00:30:18,316
using like the
BitTorrent protocol for

606
00:30:18,316 --> 00:30:20,108
that or webs
aren't that well scored.

607
00:30:20,108 --> 00:30:23,821
So basically like you know
distributed hosting I think, or

608
00:30:23,821 --> 00:30:27,909
an IP address obviously is
like another one that the

609
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:30,244
it's all kind of there.
It's just getting enough

610
00:30:30,244 --> 00:30:34,457
people on to it
to to make it like work

611
00:30:34,457 --> 00:30:36,875
sort of seamlessly because that
they all scale in the

612
00:30:36,875 --> 00:30:38,169
opposite direction. Right.
So it's like

613
00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:40,003
the more people on there,
the more people using it.

614
00:30:40,003 --> 00:30:42,382
It's like a fraction
of your harddrive shipped out

615
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:45,551
to the rest of the network. Yes.
The faster gets and the faster

616
00:30:45,551 --> 00:30:49,388
and faster gets was just hitting
that precipice of people to show.

617
00:30:49,388 --> 00:30:51,974
I'm kind of the same
with Napster. I've tried using it

618
00:30:51,974 --> 00:30:56,813
multiple times. Multiple clients.
Yeah. Even desktop on my phone.

619
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,898
It's still just every time.
It's just I've used it

620
00:30:59,898 --> 00:31:02,192
and I've gone this is not it's
not ready.

621
00:31:02,192 --> 00:31:06,948
I can't I can't use this.
So there's so with that

622
00:31:07,115 --> 00:31:10,617
shout out to Teague's,
he is an expert, so I'll put

623
00:31:10,617 --> 00:31:12,744
you in contact with him.
He'll run you through everything.

624
00:31:12,744 --> 00:31:15,832
He set me up with my phone
because I was like, This sucks.

625
00:31:15,832 --> 00:31:20,627
Like it's fucking. Slow, clunky,
and you just like, took the time.

626
00:31:20,627 --> 00:31:24,132
Basically, you have to have like
X amount of relays. And it's

627
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:26,925
just your relay choice.
Relay choices and there's a

628
00:31:26,925 --> 00:31:29,887
like a whole suite of other cool
things you can do with it.

629
00:31:29,887 --> 00:31:32,557
Like the is just like
out of control.

630
00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:37,144
So definitely worth pursuing.
It's just there's so much info

631
00:31:37,144 --> 00:31:38,980
out there,
it's like info overload

632
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:42,442
and I kind of just like.
Kind of my, my approach has been

633
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:45,193
every couple of months
or I'll have another try. Yeah.

634
00:31:45,193 --> 00:31:48,196
And yeah. And just say, okay,
is this working now?

635
00:31:48,196 --> 00:31:51,034
Is this working now. I'll, I'll
put you in contact with T.

636
00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:53,286
Yes, he'll do a V
for the lesson with you.

637
00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:56,079
Right. Yeah. That'll be good.
We talked about Andreas

638
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,958
a couple of times and yeah, he's,
he's probably been

639
00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:03,128
the most influential for me
and just learning about bitcoin

640
00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:07,299
and I joined his patron
for, for a while

641
00:32:07,299 --> 00:32:10,803
not too long ago. Had to stop
just because I hate Patron.

642
00:32:10,803 --> 00:32:12,931
It's just, you know, it talks
about putting his

643
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,223
videos on YouTube
and putting them on

644
00:32:15,223 --> 00:32:18,810
Patreon is was one of his
I don't know if they have

645
00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:21,396
their own video
service in the back end

646
00:32:21,396 --> 00:32:24,776
or if they use Vimeo
or whatever it is, but it's

647
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:29,113
I hate that platform is so,
so hard to use. So it's

648
00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:31,824
like paying for a
degraded experience. Yeah. Yeah.

649
00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:33,576
It's like, God damn,
I love you, Andreas,

650
00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:36,996
but I can't do this myself. Yeah,
but I got to ask him

651
00:32:36,996 --> 00:32:41,917
this question. I asked him the
best technology

652
00:32:41,917 --> 00:32:47,006
doesn't always win. So what?
How much value do you place on

653
00:32:47,006 --> 00:32:49,299
on the actual technology
of Bitcoin, which he knows

654
00:32:49,299 --> 00:32:52,761
a lot about? Investors
going to meetups and he was

655
00:32:52,761 --> 00:32:55,431
even give a ratio.
But I would have said it

656
00:32:55,431 --> 00:32:58,893
from his answer. It was probably
8020 in the favour of

657
00:32:58,893 --> 00:33:01,311
the meetups. How people actually
reacting to this,

658
00:33:01,311 --> 00:33:04,147
what are they doing differently?
What what's their

659
00:33:04,147 --> 00:33:07,109
are they motivated by it?
They're excited by it, not like

660
00:33:07,109 --> 00:33:10,570
frustrated by it. And I thought
that was pretty, pretty crazy.

661
00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:13,199
And considering his
it's the one I've learned

662
00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:15,284
the most technical stuff.
Yeah. Technologists.

663
00:33:15,284 --> 00:33:18,328
Yeah, yeah. And yeah.
Is there anything

664
00:33:18,328 --> 00:33:21,374
that you've learned
from from recent ones,

665
00:33:21,374 --> 00:33:24,460
for example. It's made different.
Yeah. Well, hell yes.

666
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:26,753
Or even just trends
over the years you've been going

667
00:33:26,753 --> 00:33:29,715
to meet ups. You went to
some Japan ones back in the day.

668
00:33:29,715 --> 00:33:33,635
Yeah, Yeah. We'll talk about it
this morning actually with us.

669
00:33:33,635 --> 00:33:36,513
Literally met Roger
over there in Japan.

670
00:33:36,513 --> 00:33:38,141
Yeah, it's funny
because we got off get off.

671
00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:42,310
That was like 2013, 2016
by 60, I think.

672
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:46,982
And if we get off the
get off the plane,

673
00:33:46,982 --> 00:33:49,527
I was like looking up
meet ups like immediately

674
00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:50,944
I'm like, I'm pretty sure
because it was like

675
00:33:50,944 --> 00:33:54,240
they announced that you could use
BTC over there, like for payments

676
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,200
and stuff. So there's like
certain places you get like,

677
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,119
this is awesome. Oh, I got,
there's a meet up, we have to go.

678
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,955
So like, dragged my partner,
she's like, Really?

679
00:34:01,955 --> 00:34:04,166
We got to be climbing
over the place. So I went there

680
00:34:04,166 --> 00:34:09,005
and I was like, Roger,
It was like rocking a a bicycle.

681
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:13,550
It was a pretty big made up for
the space they had. I was like,

682
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:16,971
Oh, this is cool.
So he was telling me and like a

683
00:34:16,971 --> 00:34:20,891
group of people about like the,
the boxes.

684
00:34:20,891 --> 00:34:23,101
And I was I had no clue.
I didn't really have

685
00:34:23,101 --> 00:34:25,271
much context for that.
So this was right

686
00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:28,273
during the book. So before.
Like sort of before, it was like

687
00:34:28,273 --> 00:34:31,027
it was probably a month
before, like the. Before.

688
00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:34,905
Right. Okay. So he was explaining
to me, didn't mention

689
00:34:34,905 --> 00:34:37,074
cash at all. I didn't mention
the word. He's just saying

690
00:34:37,074 --> 00:34:38,826
Bitcoin, Bitcoin Bitcoin
because he owns

691
00:34:38,826 --> 00:34:41,079
Bitcoin.com, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Well, it probably wasn't

692
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,206
even labelled back then.
I think it was.

693
00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:45,333
It was. It was. Yeah.
But he was just saying

694
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,501
Bitcoin and I was like,
Oh that's interesting.

695
00:34:47,501 --> 00:34:50,213
Makes a lot of sense.
Then like came back to Australia

696
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:53,215
and then kaboom. And like he,
like I was like explaining.

697
00:34:53,215 --> 00:34:57,677
This me. First.
And so like he was

698
00:34:57,677 --> 00:35:01,056
because he's such a, I think
sort of charismatic dude

699
00:35:01,056 --> 00:35:03,016
was really nice
and friendly as well. I was like,

700
00:35:03,016 --> 00:35:06,186
Oh, this is cool. Yeah, it
makes a lot of sense. We are

701
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,942
kind of it was interesting
because it's sort of equating

702
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:16,114
the blocksize to like how much a
like a floppy disk versus

703
00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:17,739
like a city
or a DVD sort of thing.

704
00:35:17,739 --> 00:35:20,867
I was like, okay, I guess
it's a good analogy, like, Whoa,

705
00:35:20,867 --> 00:35:23,246
but why do we want more
stuff in there? And obviously

706
00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:27,666
it was wrong. Like, you know,
history, sort of like

707
00:35:27,666 --> 00:35:29,085
you could actually have
a look at the

708
00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:33,047
it's like a blockchain or mempool
explorer that uses like

709
00:35:33,047 --> 00:35:36,175
South Park characters
and you can look at like

710
00:35:36,175 --> 00:35:40,304
Bitcoin versus
BSD versus like V-Cache

711
00:35:40,512 --> 00:35:43,391
and there's like a bus of
just all these South

712
00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:46,184
Park characters,
like on the Moon for BTC

713
00:35:46,184 --> 00:35:48,103
and the other ones
have no people.

714
00:35:48,103 --> 00:35:51,356
I can tell you one person
and it's like a real time.

715
00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:55,152
It was very funny, but yes,
I learned a lot from that

716
00:35:55,152 --> 00:35:57,530
and over the years, like,
like I said, like

717
00:35:57,530 --> 00:36:00,699
with the lockdowns and stuff,
we didn't really have.

718
00:36:00,699 --> 00:36:03,702
Access to. Places to go.
And so it's a kind of like

719
00:36:03,702 --> 00:36:05,538
faded away a little bit
and then yeah, it's

720
00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:07,539
has come back heaps. So yes,
I've learned like

721
00:36:07,539 --> 00:36:11,585
so much in the last year or so,
going to meet ups,

722
00:36:11,585 --> 00:36:13,211
meeting people,
like all the cool tech

723
00:36:13,211 --> 00:36:16,507
that's coming out like people
working on stuff, particularly

724
00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:17,884
like the mining stuff
working, it's

725
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:21,052
really exciting. Yeah.
In a green way as well,

726
00:36:21,052 --> 00:36:24,599
which is like amazing.
And then a lot of stuff

727
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,143
with not a lot of stuff
with like layer two solutions

728
00:36:28,143 --> 00:36:31,938
and even or nodes. Like I,
I was kind of like

729
00:36:31,938 --> 00:36:34,775
looking at audibles
initially as like,

730
00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:39,280
like negatively and NFT scam
until it was sort of

731
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,034
explained to me that they're like
inscriptions on

732
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,369
like essentially Satoshi
and like what

733
00:36:45,369 --> 00:36:50,916
that means and around.
So yeah I'm not totally negative

734
00:36:50,916 --> 00:36:53,753
with that. I think there's like
has its place me to some

735
00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:55,213
interesting things with that
particularly art

736
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,422
I think it's important. Yeah.
And if you have

737
00:36:57,422 --> 00:36:59,382
like longevity for that
then if we can use

738
00:36:59,382 --> 00:37:01,510
the BTC blockchain
for that kind of why not,

739
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:05,347
I suppose. I think like
ridiculous prices and stuff.

740
00:37:05,347 --> 00:37:09,851
Like that's stupid. But
yes, I've learned heaps, like

741
00:37:09,851 --> 00:37:12,855
absolutely heaps
and it seems to be more

742
00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:15,315
and more every week that and
school of Bitcoin.

743
00:37:15,315 --> 00:37:17,108
So the school of Bitcoin
was doing like a value

744
00:37:17,108 --> 00:37:18,735
for value model
for so essentially

745
00:37:18,735 --> 00:37:22,155
like podcasting but
specifically for lessons.

746
00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:24,659
So it's like open to anybody.
So if you wanted to come

747
00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:27,494
and do a lesson
on how to do a podcast.

748
00:37:27,494 --> 00:37:29,538
Yeah, more. Than welcome.
And basically

749
00:37:29,538 --> 00:37:32,625
we put your lightning address,
it goes like

750
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,835
I'm on the open source
Bitcoin channel.

751
00:37:34,835 --> 00:37:38,922
So it goes up on that and yeah,
it's like all goes to you.

752
00:37:38,922 --> 00:37:42,342
So it's just like a peer
to peer network of educators

753
00:37:42,342 --> 00:37:44,762
and learners. And so
how does that work? It's, it's

754
00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:49,432
people, it's, it's kind of people
who are watching have a mechanism

755
00:37:49,432 --> 00:37:52,353
that is a more.
Literally just the the

756
00:37:52,353 --> 00:37:54,563
so do like. The site
they'll just choose

757
00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:57,483
to send you stuff if they got
value from it. Yeah exactly

758
00:37:57,483 --> 00:37:59,443
right interesting.
Yeah and I think

759
00:37:59,443 --> 00:38:02,905
if we could do that
more in education that's that's

760
00:38:02,905 --> 00:38:05,532
kind of the model for it
because like with the school

761
00:38:05,532 --> 00:38:09,869
of Bitcoin, it's kind of
split into

762
00:38:09,869 --> 00:38:13,206
three, three main pieces.
So the way it was born

763
00:38:13,206 --> 00:38:14,833
and sort of out of my school,
like all the learning

764
00:38:14,833 --> 00:38:17,295
that sort of happened
with that, we.

765
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:22,173
Were running. With Rania.
So like the was a bit of a sad

766
00:38:22,173 --> 00:38:24,010
ending to that school.
So we had to break in

767
00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:28,306
at the school and these crooks
like stole the stuff that they

768
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:30,141
like out of this learning space
that the kids broke.

769
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:31,934
So it's really built.
This is really sort

770
00:38:31,934 --> 00:38:36,355
of heartbreaking. But
out of that, I was kind of like

771
00:38:36,355 --> 00:38:40,900
sitting angry and upset by like,
what the like

772
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:45,822
these criminals had done,
what the Department of Ed had.

773
00:38:45,822 --> 00:38:49,994
Like this solution was like,
you know, we were out of policies

774
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:53,289
that no Victorian school can use
like shipping containers

775
00:38:53,289 --> 00:38:56,583
to class. It's kind of like,
how do we stop criminals stealing

776
00:38:56,583 --> 00:38:59,003
expensive things? Yeah,
don't have expensive things.

777
00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:01,672
Yeah, pretty. Much. Pretty much.
So I was really sad

778
00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:04,382
and I was just like, Oh, well,
I can either sit and be angry

779
00:39:04,382 --> 00:39:07,635
with that or channel it
into something positive.

780
00:39:07,635 --> 00:39:10,722
So I wrote a white paper
for the school Bitcoin.

781
00:39:10,722 --> 00:39:13,099
So basically, how do we take
all the learning that happened

782
00:39:13,099 --> 00:39:16,603
there and make that available
for everybody sort of thing?

783
00:39:16,603 --> 00:39:21,692
And so I put that out
to a community and got some

784
00:39:21,692 --> 00:39:24,737
really nice guy from America.
Actually, one of the

785
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:29,824
main devs initially
shout out to Jack. He was like,

786
00:39:29,824 --> 00:39:31,327
Yeah, I was like,
Is this the rantings of

787
00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:34,371
a madman or is it like,
it doesn't make any sense.

788
00:39:34,371 --> 00:39:38,416
Like yes question to ask.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so yeah,

789
00:39:38,416 --> 00:39:40,543
that's, that's
where the decentralised

790
00:39:40,543 --> 00:39:42,670
autonomous education
system was sort

791
00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:45,340
of born out of that.
So that's like the middle piece

792
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:49,929
and it's essentially like
we've got a learning fund

793
00:39:49,929 --> 00:39:54,057
attached to that. So basically
like a BTC learning fund

794
00:39:54,057 --> 00:39:57,018
and that's to fund
learning projects. It's like,

795
00:39:57,018 --> 00:40:00,146
all right, from the V
for fee lesson.

796
00:40:00,146 --> 00:40:01,606
So that's like another
piece is like

797
00:40:01,606 --> 00:40:06,695
anyone can be involved
to your value for value lesson.

798
00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:10,407
Hopefully out of those
lesson plans you get all lessons,

799
00:40:10,407 --> 00:40:14,786
you get financial literacy.
Are you financially literate

800
00:40:14,786 --> 00:40:17,081
to some degree? Like what project
do you want to build?

801
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:19,416
We've got a fund. We can actually
sort of fund that stuff

802
00:40:19,416 --> 00:40:23,295
and then the third piece
is like open, transparent

803
00:40:23,378 --> 00:40:27,382
faculty meetings,
like hours of me and the group

804
00:40:27,382 --> 00:40:32,972
sort of talking on on over Zoom
and yeah, or sort of

805
00:40:32,972 --> 00:40:34,806
transparent on YouTube.
But I think that's

806
00:40:34,806 --> 00:40:36,516
really important because like
even talking

807
00:40:36,516 --> 00:40:39,311
to the kids yesterday,
I was just like explaining that

808
00:40:39,311 --> 00:40:42,148
and in their mind,
like the faculties,

809
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,108
like separate, right?
So it's this thing

810
00:40:44,108 --> 00:40:47,068
that's in the staff room
and you're not part of it.

811
00:40:47,068 --> 00:40:49,195
I want to break that down.
So it's, it's like, no,

812
00:40:49,195 --> 00:40:51,322
anyone can be
sort of part of this.

813
00:40:51,322 --> 00:40:53,367
What's your idea is
we can integrate that into it

814
00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:55,327
sort of thing.
So yeah, it's been cool.

815
00:40:55,327 --> 00:40:56,494
So it's been
a cool journey with that

816
00:40:56,494 --> 00:40:58,121
and I've learned a lot
from the value of

817
00:40:58,121 --> 00:41:00,291
value stuff, particularly
not that actually recently.

818
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:05,086
So that's really blowing my mind,
like what the possibilities

819
00:41:05,086 --> 00:41:07,338
are with that
and not just integration

820
00:41:07,338 --> 00:41:09,467
with BTC,
but like in there's apps

821
00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:14,762
and all that sort of stuff, but
the future orientation for that.

822
00:41:14,762 --> 00:41:17,891
So like what it means for i.t,
what it means for these web

823
00:41:17,891 --> 00:41:20,436
two services
like essentially force

824
00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:22,688
to use it in the future.
It's pretty cool.

825
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:27,985
So it's, it's akin to like what
BTC is for the banks.

826
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:32,322
Like is sort of happening for the
I guess the oligarchs of like the

827
00:41:32,322 --> 00:41:34,657
the old web two world
so it's cool.

828
00:41:34,657 --> 00:41:37,619
Yeah. The social world.
How do people access the bitcoin?

829
00:41:37,619 --> 00:41:39,996
What's their normal avenue?
Is it via the

830
00:41:39,996 --> 00:41:42,833
YouTube videos? It's a
bit of everything. So we've

831
00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:46,795
got a GitHub repo. Actually this
is a few things.

832
00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:50,257
So going to GitHub
repo and a gift book that has

833
00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:54,552
all the school of Bitcoin
very lessons there on the YouTube

834
00:41:54,552 --> 00:41:57,222
channel on the two
YouTube channels

835
00:41:57,222 --> 00:41:59,849
that sort of mirror each other
actually on Odyssey as well.

836
00:41:59,849 --> 00:42:04,396
So just gets pushed out to there
and then direct communication

837
00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:08,400
as well. So with the days, it's
like applications for whatever

838
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,070
your project is that you
want to build.

839
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:17,201
And then for the open
faculty meetings, that's like

840
00:42:17,201 --> 00:42:19,869
anyone who wants to be involved
has an idea, can integrate

841
00:42:19,869 --> 00:42:23,289
that as well.
So for example, we've got

842
00:42:23,414 --> 00:42:26,668
Cameron, who I haven't seen him
in a while, actually.

843
00:42:26,668 --> 00:42:30,713
Cameron, you got to jump back in.
But he had a really cool

844
00:42:30,713 --> 00:42:35,469
idea of like a front end
pace for like I so like using

845
00:42:35,469 --> 00:42:38,889
I training that up
for Bitcoin specifically.

846
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,349
I'm like,
oh my God, that's awesome

847
00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:42,141
because I keep going back
and forth. So that

848
00:42:42,141 --> 00:42:44,478
that was one aspect
and one was like an accredited

849
00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:47,773
Bitcoin course.
So Blockchain Academy,

850
00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:48,606
we kind of been
talking about that

851
00:42:48,606 --> 00:42:50,358
this morning actually.
Like how would that sort of look,

852
00:42:50,358 --> 00:42:52,402
How do we get it?
We sort of built it out,

853
00:42:52,402 --> 00:42:55,239
but because it
takes moving so fast, it's like,

854
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,657
Well, all right, you get this
accredited course,

855
00:42:57,657 --> 00:42:59,742
it could be obsolete
the time you get it,

856
00:42:59,742 --> 00:43:02,621
like accredited sort of thing.
So I'm of two minds

857
00:43:02,621 --> 00:43:05,541
about like sort of
how we do that. But I think that

858
00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:08,918
I could be like this sort of next
level of that, right?

859
00:43:08,918 --> 00:43:12,547
So it's like this front interface
where it's constantly upgrading

860
00:43:12,547 --> 00:43:14,675
and you can ask it like what
questions you want

861
00:43:14,675 --> 00:43:17,510
because there's
so many avenues into BTC.

862
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:19,929
So like for yourself, it was like
through podcasting you sort of

863
00:43:19,929 --> 00:43:22,349
find out about it.
Everyone's different. So like

864
00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:25,768
where do you start? It's not like
concrete, sequential,

865
00:43:25,768 --> 00:43:27,646
like other things,
you know what I mean?

866
00:43:27,646 --> 00:43:31,483
So yeah, so a lot of,
a lot of cool stuff happening.

867
00:43:31,483 --> 00:43:36,237
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I suppose
that was my introduction, really.

868
00:43:36,237 --> 00:43:39,157
The podcasting 2.0
and I actually did

869
00:43:39,157 --> 00:43:42,411
this one recently,
which I labelled

870
00:43:42,411 --> 00:43:44,954
what was it, podcasting
2.0 and value for value

871
00:43:44,954 --> 00:43:46,956
delivering on the promise
of Bitcoin. Yeah. It's actually

872
00:43:46,956 --> 00:43:49,751
being able to use it and that
that kind of condense

873
00:43:49,751 --> 00:43:51,170
like the last
three years of my life

874
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:52,795
to be honest.
And what I'll send you

875
00:43:52,795 --> 00:43:53,838
because I think you'll,
you'll find

876
00:43:53,838 --> 00:44:00,512
it interesting. Yeah. And it was
I think the value for value.

877
00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,472
This is one of the ones
where I'm kind

878
00:44:02,472 --> 00:44:05,768
of asking myself like,
am I crazy? Is this is this

879
00:44:05,768 --> 00:44:08,686
because when I first heard
about all of this stuff,

880
00:44:08,686 --> 00:44:11,440
I thought it was the
podcasting innovation.

881
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,485
I thought it was,
wow, you can get new chapters,

882
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:17,655
you can have links, you can put
transcripts in, you can

883
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,864
maybe have cross out comments.
I thought that was the stuff

884
00:44:19,864 --> 00:44:23,452
that really was exciting to me.
And looking back

885
00:44:23,452 --> 00:44:25,036
now, God knows the value
for value.

886
00:44:25,036 --> 00:44:28,331
It was just this concept.
It's it's such a simple idea.

887
00:44:28,331 --> 00:44:32,001
It's the simplest thing ever.
Yeah, I provide some value.

888
00:44:32,001 --> 00:44:35,588
I just ask for it in return.
And it's, you know, that's

889
00:44:35,588 --> 00:44:38,132
basically as fundamental
as you can get. Yeah,

890
00:44:38,132 --> 00:44:44,056
that's trying to explain
inflation rates and lot of our

891
00:44:44,056 --> 00:44:46,766
inflation in what interest rates
what's my it to my housemate

892
00:44:46,766 --> 00:44:50,646
last night and I couldn't do it
I even though I've read a lot

893
00:44:50,646 --> 00:44:53,231
I've listened to a lot
I feel like I know a lot.

894
00:44:53,231 --> 00:44:55,775
It is so confusing
to try and explain that stuff.

895
00:44:55,775 --> 00:45:00,114
And purposely say, All. Right,
and then yet you hear about

896
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,907
something like Value for value,
which is just

897
00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:07,538
the most simplest concept
when applied. I don't think

898
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:10,916
you can really apply it
in the physical world,

899
00:45:10,916 --> 00:45:14,628
doing it in a you know,
creating a computer, for example.

900
00:45:14,628 --> 00:45:20,717
I'm not sure value for value will
for Apple. Yeah, I don't see

901
00:45:20,717 --> 00:45:24,096
how I can scale to that level.
Yeah. Considering it's only

902
00:45:24,096 --> 00:45:27,349
4% of people who roughly do it.
So I'm not sure. What's that.

903
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:29,184
Well, for physical products,
there's actually

904
00:45:29,184 --> 00:45:33,230
a guy at the made up that I go to
who does it for soap

905
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:37,900
and for cooking so he'll brown
cool steaks or skewers.

906
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,320
Yeah and he
he cooks it for all of us

907
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,574
need as much as you want
or as little as you want.

908
00:45:43,574 --> 00:45:45,409
And he has a lightning address
and you pay

909
00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:47,911
as much or pay as little.
I actually do

910
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:51,289
need to to ask him, like,
are you actually coming out

911
00:45:51,289 --> 00:45:53,876
level with this? Because I
participate as well.

912
00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:58,255
I send him an email.
Don't know if it's

913
00:45:58,255 --> 00:46:01,382
if everyone was sending
as much as I do, I think you'd

914
00:46:01,382 --> 00:46:03,302
probably be okay.
But I don't know if everyone is.

915
00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:06,012
So yeah, the physical world,
you know, leave

916
00:46:06,012 --> 00:46:07,181
that for the site,
but everything's

917
00:46:07,181 --> 00:46:10,684
going digital anyway. So that
I think it just makes

918
00:46:10,684 --> 00:46:12,853
so much sense. And it's
one of those ones where my

919
00:46:12,853 --> 00:46:14,938
how can YouTube
not get consumed by this?

920
00:46:14,938 --> 00:46:19,485
How can, how can all of the
other platforms which make money

921
00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:22,320
from advertising?
I just don't see how

922
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,072
value for value just doesn't
eat all of them in the long run.

923
00:46:25,072 --> 00:46:28,409
Yeah was. But this is one
where I'm like, I might be crazy.

924
00:46:28,409 --> 00:46:30,829
I don't know. No, I think.
I think you're right. I think

925
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:34,750
between that and also like
and what's happening with that

926
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:38,503
like so the, the basically
like what's going to happen

927
00:46:38,503 --> 00:46:42,382
is that these big platforms
are going to be forced

928
00:46:42,382 --> 00:46:45,552
to use that as like the odd apps
and they're going

929
00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:47,221
to become interoperable
with everything else,

930
00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:50,974
like immediately or are they
going to fail? And I

931
00:46:50,974 --> 00:46:54,311
think the same thing
with lightning integration.

932
00:46:54,311 --> 00:46:55,896
So if you're not doing it
so now, like Elon

933
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:58,523
Musk is really talking
about making Twitter

934
00:46:58,523 --> 00:47:04,278
like this, like WeChat.
It's just like what that is.

935
00:47:04,278 --> 00:47:06,447
I've heard that's kind of
he's been talking about this

936
00:47:06,447 --> 00:47:11,286
since the PayPal days, I believe.
Yeah I, I one out

937
00:47:11,286 --> 00:47:14,581
one app to rule them all.
Yeah yeah you can pay

938
00:47:14,581 --> 00:47:16,625
for things in it.
You can do your shopping,

939
00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:21,255
you can talk with your friends,
you can order flights,

940
00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:24,382
you know it all just do
every, you know,

941
00:47:24,382 --> 00:47:27,469
electricity, banking, everything
sort of thing in it.

942
00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:31,514
Yeah I think that's once again
generalisation. I've no idea.

943
00:47:31,514 --> 00:47:33,516
I don't know
what he thinks but Well.

944
00:47:33,516 --> 00:47:35,101
I mean the fact that he's
using WeChat,

945
00:47:35,101 --> 00:47:37,103
it's like he literally
said I'll just copy. WeChat

946
00:47:38,271 --> 00:47:43,235
was so like centralised
platform run by the CCP.

947
00:47:43,235 --> 00:47:48,282
Yeah. Like yeah. Probably not
the best model to emulate

948
00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:50,742
something like
something like that. Like the

949
00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:56,373
I think he's going to be
to integrate things like Master

950
00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:58,708
and things like lightning,
whether he likes it or not,

951
00:47:58,708 --> 00:48:02,003
which I don't think he does.
He wants to control it.

952
00:48:02,003 --> 00:48:05,632
He wants. To.
I'm of two minds of that

953
00:48:05,632 --> 00:48:09,677
because fondos like funny,
like we had it yesterday.

954
00:48:09,677 --> 00:48:10,887
I had like one of my slides
and like, Oh,

955
00:48:10,887 --> 00:48:12,847
you don't chain at school
and it's fun

956
00:48:12,847 --> 00:48:15,893
and like all the kids into odds.
Hilarious because it's like,

957
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:19,646
you know, the main character.
So I love that and I like I,

958
00:48:19,646 --> 00:48:23,317
I'll use it a lot easier.
Lost a lot of bitcoin

959
00:48:23,317 --> 00:48:26,737
giving to kids as well
but I dread to think what

960
00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:31,657
the numbers I don't want it.
So like I started using

961
00:48:31,657 --> 00:48:33,744
doge for a long time
and like this is worthless.

962
00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:37,664
Doesn't matter if it disappears.
And then it goes. Like Ponzi.

963
00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:42,668
I mean, come on Elon.
So annoying. Is. Yeah, yeah.

964
00:48:42,668 --> 00:48:47,340
You can't, you just can't find
the shit that shit. Well,

965
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:50,135
and it's like it was perfect.
It's like I think

966
00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:52,762
as an Aussie developed
like, as a joke initially

967
00:48:52,762 --> 00:48:55,724
and it's like just a meme coin.
It's, it's

968
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:59,143
meant to be fun and silly
and weird. Not an investment.

969
00:48:59,143 --> 00:49:02,856
So yeah, so crazy Aussies
develop everything

970
00:49:02,856 --> 00:49:07,027
apparently that Craig
Wright invented because you know.

971
00:49:07,027 --> 00:49:10,905
Yeah, yeah. No, there actually is
quite a lot going on here.

972
00:49:10,905 --> 00:49:14,367
Even in a theorem world,
even just in here in Brisbane,

973
00:49:14,367 --> 00:49:17,829
one of the biggest
it's called Rocket Ball.

974
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:21,625
You've heard of that. Yeah.
It's kind of like lighter I guess

975
00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:25,586
version of lighter.
It's lighter. Flat. I was the one

976
00:49:25,586 --> 00:49:29,925
where you can stake your theorem
of before you could kind of

977
00:49:29,925 --> 00:49:31,300
it was one of the,
it was when the

978
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,804
staking was one way.
It still might be.

979
00:49:33,804 --> 00:49:36,306
I don't know if you
haven't kept up.

980
00:49:36,306 --> 00:49:39,726
With any of this. Not a couple
of years ago. You could basically

981
00:49:39,726 --> 00:49:42,728
when you could only stake it
and you couldn't withdraw it out,

982
00:49:42,728 --> 00:49:44,438
you'd stick it with them and then
they would give you

983
00:49:44,438 --> 00:49:50,737
this artificial token back
and an IOU. Yes, but there was

984
00:49:50,737 --> 00:49:52,989
a market for it
and it would trade

985
00:49:52,989 --> 00:49:56,784
at almost equivalent
to the real Etherium. Okay.

986
00:49:56,784 --> 00:49:59,829
This is kind of like,
you know, gold being backed.

987
00:49:59,829 --> 00:50:03,166
But, you know, gold is backing
paper money, right? Paper money,

988
00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:07,170
It still kind of has value,
but then it's on that, you know?

989
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:10,882
Yeah, it kind of dissociates the
a lot of a lot of weird things go

990
00:50:10,882 --> 00:50:13,844
on with incentives when you
when you have derivative products

991
00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:17,347
and futures and all that
sort of nonsense.

992
00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:22,059
Once again, complexity is
I appreciate complexity for

993
00:50:22,059 --> 00:50:25,271
some things, you know,
laptops, wi fi. I don't know how

994
00:50:25,271 --> 00:50:28,108
any of that works,
just magically does. Yeah.

995
00:50:28,108 --> 00:50:29,943
But when it comes
to other things,

996
00:50:29,943 --> 00:50:32,778
I want it to be simple.
I feel it needs to be simple.

997
00:50:32,778 --> 00:50:34,947
Yeah, but yeah, that's,
that's actually

998
00:50:34,947 --> 00:50:37,367
quite a few things
going on in Australia, which is,

999
00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:40,244
um, is really cool.
But. Vladimir Yeah.

1000
00:50:40,244 --> 00:50:43,206
Man, No, that's cool.
I mean, like water sushi like

1001
00:50:43,206 --> 00:50:45,125
that was developed to.
Use like that all over.

1002
00:50:45,125 --> 00:50:47,710
The place, right?
Like I said, well, countries are

1003
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:50,588
embracing that and it's a great,
like we use the yesterday

1004
00:50:50,588 --> 00:50:54,092
with the kids
and like that and limits

1005
00:50:54,092 --> 00:50:56,510
the limits is great they don't
some cool stuff

1006
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:59,806
is like legend limits
you can spin up an address

1007
00:50:59,806 --> 00:51:02,851
don't need like a phone
or anything. So browser based.

1008
00:51:04,686 --> 00:51:07,981
The detractor is though
like there's no support obviously

1009
00:51:07,981 --> 00:51:11,818
that you can get like
with the custodial like with

1010
00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:15,112
with water Satoshi and I daresay
most of them

1011
00:51:15,112 --> 00:51:18,699
will lose that address
and like lose the BTC. So there's

1012
00:51:18,699 --> 00:51:21,161
a lot to be said for water.
Satoshi You know, I think

1013
00:51:21,161 --> 00:51:24,789
I'm usually like anti custodial,
but they're pretty.

1014
00:51:24,789 --> 00:51:28,418
Damn good men.
So for this episode

1015
00:51:28,418 --> 00:51:30,045
I'll get a lightning
wallet for you.

1016
00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:33,465
And I put gas in as a 30%
split so. Oh cool.

1017
00:51:33,465 --> 00:51:39,262
What else is come in you get 30%
week and I use I don't have

1018
00:51:39,262 --> 00:51:43,391
a single one. I think that is
non-custodial. I think all

1019
00:51:43,391 --> 00:51:47,353
the ones that I have linked up
and I kind of

1020
00:51:47,353 --> 00:51:49,773
decentralised myself
by using a bunch of

1021
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:52,233
different custodial.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Cool.

1022
00:51:52,233 --> 00:51:53,860
So totally strange
proportions of it.

1023
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,530
I've got a lot of it
go into fountain,

1024
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:59,199
I have a bunch of it
go into I'll be wallet's. Yep.

1025
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,159
I'm not actually sure
if Alby is custodial

1026
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:04,036
or non-custodial.
I think it's. Both. Yeah. Yeah.

1027
00:52:04,036 --> 00:52:06,873
I need to do
some research on that. But It's

1028
00:52:06,873 --> 00:52:09,251
one of those ones
where it's like, you know,

1029
00:52:09,251 --> 00:52:12,670
like I said, I'm kind of
tech illiterate. I don't enjoy

1030
00:52:12,670 --> 00:52:15,715
getting into the weeds.
They're not, but.

1031
00:52:15,715 --> 00:52:18,385
But I think there is
still enough there for it to go.

1032
00:52:18,385 --> 00:52:20,679
For me to go, Yeah. Okay.
This is really cool. Yes,

1033
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:24,516
this is still usable.
The IP address is kind of

1034
00:52:24,516 --> 00:52:26,726
I've got three of them
at the moment

1035
00:52:26,726 --> 00:52:29,353
and I kind of use them
in different ways

1036
00:52:29,353 --> 00:52:32,231
and it is related to the
identity piece.

1037
00:52:32,231 --> 00:52:35,735
Yet one of them which is it's got
the equivalent

1038
00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:38,280
of a couple hundred bucks
and I'm much more careful

1039
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,284
with that one. That one's kind of
the professional, don't touch it,

1040
00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:44,994
don't attach this
to weird places. Yeah. You know,

1041
00:52:44,994 --> 00:52:48,664
be careful with this one. Yeah.
Other ones, I've got

1042
00:52:48,664 --> 00:52:51,293
20,000 sets in it
and I'll use that

1043
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:53,503
for experimentation.
I'll put that to

1044
00:52:53,503 --> 00:52:55,880
different places. And I
am kind of starting to see,

1045
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,340
Oh yeah, you know,
I can use this over here

1046
00:52:58,340 --> 00:53:00,885
and this will link
with this thing and it's

1047
00:53:00,885 --> 00:53:05,556
kind of attaching my name
and face to this digital address,

1048
00:53:05,556 --> 00:53:08,351
or at least a portion of,
of my name and face. Yeah, Yeah.

1049
00:53:08,351 --> 00:53:10,936
So, so it's kind of like,
okay, I can, I can start to

1050
00:53:10,936 --> 00:53:14,398
see how this is. That's cool.
This is actually having impact.

1051
00:53:14,398 --> 00:53:16,400
What's it, a wallet
hygiene account.

1052
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,820
So yeah, yeah, I've,
I've become a lot more

1053
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:22,615
quietly over the years.
Thankfully I didn't have

1054
00:53:22,615 --> 00:53:25,911
to learn to experience it.
I haven't made any

1055
00:53:25,911 --> 00:53:28,121
massive errors.
That's good for us.

1056
00:53:28,121 --> 00:53:32,500
But yeah, yeah, I've heard enough
other people just, just

1057
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,378
I have had sort of bad.
One with so stupid

1058
00:53:35,378 --> 00:53:37,713
like years. It.
I don't remember. Steam.

1059
00:53:37,713 --> 00:53:41,967
The steam statement. Yes. I don't
know if it's still a thing. Yeah.

1060
00:53:41,967 --> 00:53:45,179
It's called Hive now. It actually
is part of the back

1061
00:53:45,179 --> 00:53:47,264
end of podcasting. The pod ping.
Oh, right.

1062
00:53:47,264 --> 00:53:50,434
Yeah. Okay, cool. Cool.
Tell you about that later. Yes.

1063
00:53:50,434 --> 00:53:52,603
It's like years ago.
I was, like, super

1064
00:53:52,603 --> 00:53:54,648
excited about it.
Like, Oh, this is cool. Was like,

1065
00:53:54,648 --> 00:53:56,650
you know, getting paid
for writing articles

1066
00:53:56,650 --> 00:54:00,070
and whatever. So it was like,
let's try to get everyone onto

1067
00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:03,489
spitting up stuff, writing stuff.
So I got like, I hope, I like

1068
00:54:03,489 --> 00:54:07,117
equivalent to,
I think four or $6,000,

1069
00:54:07,117 --> 00:54:09,579
like I just had like,
Oh my God, this is nuts. Yeah,

1070
00:54:09,579 --> 00:54:12,331
Those people who earn a living on
that stuff. Yeah, I was just

1071
00:54:12,331 --> 00:54:14,376
I couldn't believe it. It was
because I think it

1072
00:54:14,376 --> 00:54:16,753
spiked in price.
That's like, what?

1073
00:54:16,753 --> 00:54:20,923
This is insane. So stupidly,
I was, like, super excited.

1074
00:54:20,923 --> 00:54:25,679
I installed, like, an app apk
like app on my phone

1075
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:27,806
that was like a chat
application for Steam.

1076
00:54:27,806 --> 00:54:31,059
And I was just like,
not even thinking, just put in

1077
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,686
my bloody
private key into the gone

1078
00:54:33,686 --> 00:54:37,940
like immediately. And I didn't,
I didn't click until like

1079
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:39,275
a couple of weeks later
where I went to

1080
00:54:39,275 --> 00:54:41,695
go post something. It's like
I think from memory

1081
00:54:41,695 --> 00:54:44,114
you had to have like X amount
to be allowed to post.

1082
00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:47,617
Yeah, I'm like, not like,
what's going on? You posted it

1083
00:54:47,617 --> 00:54:49,327
like to a challenge.
So it was just like,

1084
00:54:49,327 --> 00:54:52,079
Dude, you've been hacked.
Just all this like, Yup.

1085
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,833
Yeah. Idiots.
Yeah, that's a hard one.

1086
00:54:55,833 --> 00:54:59,295
Yeah. But I mean, yeah.
Live and learn, I suppose.

1087
00:54:59,295 --> 00:55:03,215
Yeah, exactly.
You're in the right area where

1088
00:55:03,215 --> 00:55:05,050
as long as you're interested
in these things

1089
00:55:05,050 --> 00:55:08,012
and don't do it again and again.
Yeah. Like you'll,

1090
00:55:08,012 --> 00:55:11,266
you'll be able to recoup it back.
That's exactly what I mean.

1091
00:55:11,266 --> 00:55:17,105
And it's like very experimental
like with altcoins as well.

1092
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:20,025
Especially as well. So yeah,
I think that's the big thing is

1093
00:55:20,025 --> 00:55:22,235
well like we try
and still that yesterday

1094
00:55:22,235 --> 00:55:24,653
with the students like yes
there's all these other things

1095
00:55:24,653 --> 00:55:27,699
that are out there
like including stocks

1096
00:55:27,699 --> 00:55:29,326
so there's a few
few questions around that

1097
00:55:29,326 --> 00:55:31,994
like you know should
we be looking

1098
00:55:31,994 --> 00:55:37,333
at stocks or shares.
And my answer to them for that,

1099
00:55:37,333 --> 00:55:39,878
because they're kind of comparing
it to Bitcoin, I said, well,

1100
00:55:41,295 --> 00:55:44,840
three three things
really says the technology piece.

1101
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,885
So it's like you're like
with the shares or stocks

1102
00:55:47,885 --> 00:55:52,599
or even a lot of altcoins
like trading on a exchange,

1103
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:56,561
you don't really own them.
You have like an IOU and then,

1104
00:55:56,561 --> 00:55:57,896
you know,
if you're a lucky devil,

1105
00:55:57,896 --> 00:56:01,440
maybe you'll be allowed
to get your money for that.

1106
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,735
At the end of the day,
if you try to do so,

1107
00:56:03,735 --> 00:56:06,278
it's like ownership.
You don't have that.

1108
00:56:06,278 --> 00:56:11,284
And then the like the
piece around, like what

1109
00:56:11,284 --> 00:56:13,369
sort of money is
like this technology

1110
00:56:13,369 --> 00:56:16,956
being empowering people
who aren't a lot of like,

1111
00:56:16,956 --> 00:56:18,583
you know, so like
obviously people

1112
00:56:18,583 --> 00:56:21,251
in third world countries
students don't necessarily

1113
00:56:21,251 --> 00:56:23,420
have a bank account
either, right? So it's like

1114
00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:26,382
it's empowering. It's not
a get rich quick scheme.

1115
00:56:26,382 --> 00:56:30,844
It's just this tech is allowing
or enabling you to

1116
00:56:30,844 --> 00:56:33,722
interact in an economy
that has been

1117
00:56:33,722 --> 00:56:36,851
pretty harsh on people
like historically. So like

1118
00:56:36,851 --> 00:56:39,396
the legacy system.
So it's like this cool thing

1119
00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:42,565
you can sort of deal with.
So it's it's more about the tech

1120
00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:44,442
and empowerment of people
who've been

1121
00:56:44,442 --> 00:56:48,112
disenfranchised before.
And then, yeah, finally

1122
00:56:48,112 --> 00:56:50,364
on the other point, I heard
something interesting

1123
00:56:50,364 --> 00:56:53,201
that's going to. I was doing that
just last night,

1124
00:56:53,201 --> 00:56:56,286
had one great thing in my mind is
figure out twice

1125
00:56:56,286 --> 00:57:00,083
as I think the carry over
could be the you know what

1126
00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:05,963
what is a portion of a company
is a stock yeah yeah. The last

1127
00:57:05,963 --> 00:57:09,425
the most important piece
as to be a while to to get

1128
00:57:09,425 --> 00:57:12,554
so whether you're trading
stocks trading shares

1129
00:57:12,554 --> 00:57:18,643
or trading Chicagoans. Your.
You could do really well. Right?

1130
00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:21,396
So it's like, oh cool.
Like my token is

1131
00:57:21,396 --> 00:57:23,648
gone up like a bunch
and I'm going to cash

1132
00:57:23,648 --> 00:57:27,610
that out or whatever.
I've done a trade. That's great.

1133
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:30,697
There's somebody else
on the other side of that trade

1134
00:57:30,697 --> 00:57:35,326
that's done really badly, right?
So it's it's bad karma. Right?

1135
00:57:35,326 --> 00:57:37,244
So it's like this
whole network of like,

1136
00:57:37,244 --> 00:57:40,498
yeah, I've done great,
but you're hurting somebody else.

1137
00:57:40,498 --> 00:57:42,250
And I think that resonated
with the students.

1138
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:43,251
And it's because,
like most people

1139
00:57:43,251 --> 00:57:44,501
don't think about that.
They just think, Oh,

1140
00:57:44,501 --> 00:57:46,545
I'm getting rich,
somebody is getting poor

1141
00:57:46,545 --> 00:57:50,632
on the other side of that.
That's it. BTC doesn't have that.

1142
00:57:50,632 --> 00:57:53,469
It's like because everything's
priced in SATs, it's just

1143
00:57:53,469 --> 00:57:55,804
accumulation of that
to help other people,

1144
00:57:55,804 --> 00:57:58,849
sort of them.
So yeah, it depends. I, I,

1145
00:57:58,849 --> 00:58:03,103
I'm mostly a free market
kind of fundamentalist.

1146
00:58:03,103 --> 00:58:06,190
I'm so close to it. It's like
just this tiny little bit

1147
00:58:06,190 --> 00:58:08,193
all from going
all in kind of like a

1148
00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:13,655
Eric Voorhees live in there
sort of deal. And in those

1149
00:58:13,655 --> 00:58:16,451
cases it's like, you know,
I've met people

1150
00:58:16,451 --> 00:58:19,786
with a lot of money who that
they're going to lose that money.

1151
00:58:19,786 --> 00:58:23,208
There's just the the way
they think that decision making,

1152
00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:24,876
if they don't lose it
in the scam,

1153
00:58:24,876 --> 00:58:26,126
they're going to lose it
in the scam

1154
00:58:26,126 --> 00:58:29,963
or this other one. Yeah.
And you can't protect everyone.

1155
00:58:29,963 --> 00:58:33,009
You can't protect no selves.
So in this case,

1156
00:58:33,009 --> 00:58:36,094
I'm kind of like, yeah, you know,
if you want to buy

1157
00:58:36,094 --> 00:58:39,014
all the all the things,
do all the things, yeah, it's

1158
00:58:39,014 --> 00:58:42,809
what you want to do.
Like, go ahead, go nuts for sure.

1159
00:58:42,809 --> 00:58:46,813
But when I do look at things
like stocks, you know, that's one

1160
00:58:46,813 --> 00:58:48,942
where I can see, like, why?
Why can't it be digital

1161
00:58:48,942 --> 00:58:51,318
and be a bit more transparent?
Iron shares

1162
00:58:51,318 --> 00:58:56,532
and Woolworths Vanguard.
And there's a lot of trust

1163
00:58:56,532 --> 00:58:59,369
built in that and a lot of
that is genuine good trust

1164
00:58:59,369 --> 00:59:02,454
because it's it's like what,
100 years, 200 years

1165
00:59:02,454 --> 00:59:05,916
of just financial systems
doing all of these

1166
00:59:05,916 --> 00:59:10,088
things in place to
to make sure that that's legit.

1167
00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:12,757
But then I also have
an experience of this

1168
00:59:12,757 --> 00:59:18,554
rather dodgy gold mine here.
A gold company competition. Yep.

1169
00:59:18,554 --> 00:59:21,516
PM gold if you want the actual
stock ticker.

1170
00:59:21,516 --> 00:59:24,476
Now, I used to own this
and this is one of my classic.

1171
00:59:24,476 --> 00:59:27,230
I did the right thing,
but I still came off

1172
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:29,231
financially worse from it,
like it was the right

1173
00:59:29,231 --> 00:59:32,860
decision to make, but
just through circumstances

1174
00:59:32,860 --> 00:59:35,530
it didn't work.
So I had a 200 shares

1175
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:39,367
in this company and whilst I was
travelling in Latin America,

1176
00:59:39,367 --> 00:59:44,621
I looked at my Monday. I'm like,
Why does it say I only have 199

1177
00:59:44,621 --> 00:59:47,250
and I call up ASX, I'm like you,
there's something wrong

1178
00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,001
with your platform.
And they're like, No,

1179
00:59:49,001 --> 00:59:53,172
well this company and this guy
looked into it and even the guy

1180
00:59:53,172 --> 00:59:55,967
online is like, Look,
they took it away

1181
00:59:55,967 --> 01:00:00,762
because they claimed it was a
a share, you know,

1182
01:00:00,762 --> 01:00:06,226
an accounting tax or something.
And they found a grey area way of

1183
01:00:06,226 --> 01:00:10,773
being able to take one shares,
even if it was only like $3,

1184
01:00:10,773 --> 01:00:12,858
they could take a full share.
And because you can't

1185
01:00:12,858 --> 01:00:17,655
divide shares into like 199.5,
they took a full one

1186
01:00:17,655 --> 01:00:20,490
and he was like, look,
this is kind of dodgy.

1187
01:00:20,490 --> 01:00:22,869
It's kind of
like they could do it,

1188
01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:26,414
but it's not it's
not great either. Yeah,

1189
01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:30,083
And I just remember being like,
I thought I earned 200

1190
01:00:30,083 --> 01:00:35,715
and now it says I have 199 and I
didn't give any warning of this.

1191
01:00:35,715 --> 01:00:38,092
From what I could tell,
they just did it just

1192
01:00:38,092 --> 01:00:41,054
and so I later sold that company.
And then, of course,

1193
01:00:41,054 --> 01:00:42,347
you know, COVID happened
and it's like,

1194
01:00:42,347 --> 01:00:45,432
what's the one thing
you want to own? It happens.

1195
01:00:45,432 --> 01:00:50,688
Shares in a gold company,
but I made the right decision.

1196
01:00:50,688 --> 01:00:52,981
Be like this
company is fucking dodgy as shit.

1197
01:00:52,981 --> 01:00:56,152
And then a couple of years later
they the some recent

1198
01:00:56,152 --> 01:00:58,905
news of them was they were
diluting the gold

1199
01:00:58,905 --> 01:01:00,405
that was sending to
China or something

1200
01:01:00,405 --> 01:01:02,867
and they wrote out
for it as well. So it's like

1201
01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:07,038
these guys dodgy.
And I remember they had a

1202
01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:09,956
something crypto
related as well Right. Yeah.

1203
01:01:09,956 --> 01:01:13,085
Like I can't remember what it was
but it was. Bit bit gold

1204
01:01:13,085 --> 01:01:17,882
or something onto something.
It's a bit ridiculous but it's,

1205
01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:19,509
those are the ones
where it's like I think there's

1206
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:21,385
still a place for that.
Crowdfunding,

1207
01:01:21,385 --> 01:01:24,764
for example, Kickstarter
for sure. There's there's places

1208
01:01:24,764 --> 01:01:27,474
for all of these things
and bitcoin's

1209
01:01:27,474 --> 01:01:30,519
going to chew the world
and the other tokens.

1210
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:34,148
I think there is great use from
Andre was talking

1211
01:01:34,148 --> 01:01:38,820
about older laws and how
Etherium actually does the art

1212
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:41,405
aspect of that, of
wanting to own something

1213
01:01:41,405 --> 01:01:45,742
that you think will be preserved
better than Bitcoin.

1214
01:01:45,742 --> 01:01:48,286
And there's there's a whole bunch
of really interesting

1215
01:01:48,286 --> 01:01:51,123
most of it was related
to the security model

1216
01:01:51,123 --> 01:01:55,753
and he was just saying it works
better on a theorem. It kind of

1217
01:01:55,753 --> 01:01:58,797
makes more sense over there
than to do it as a Satoshi

1218
01:01:58,797 --> 01:02:02,050
on on bitcoin describing it.
Yeah, right.

1219
01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:04,052
Too technical for me.
What's one of those ones

1220
01:02:04,052 --> 01:02:06,931
where I go, I'm going to trust
you, Andreas. I don't know what.

1221
01:02:06,931 --> 01:02:09,641
Yeah, I'd love to hear
that. I need to. Yeah. Okay.

1222
01:02:09,641 --> 01:02:11,686
I got him to go
to his pager on it and no.

1223
01:02:11,686 --> 01:02:14,271
I really miss like,
watching his stuff is.

1224
01:02:14,271 --> 01:02:16,356
So good then. Yeah, it's
kind of just like

1225
01:02:16,356 --> 01:02:19,777
it's disappeared is like.
Yeah. Yeah, it was.

1226
01:02:19,777 --> 01:02:24,364
It was active choice on his part.
So the YouTube is too mad.

1227
01:02:24,364 --> 01:02:27,367
He'd rather
just put a paywall up. People

1228
01:02:27,367 --> 01:02:29,411
who are willing to pay for
his stuff will access it.

1229
01:02:29,411 --> 01:02:33,416
And so just that eliminates 99%.
Well, almost all of the

1230
01:02:33,416 --> 01:02:37,711
negative comments, all of the.
Yeah. Bullshit. Fair enough.

1231
01:02:37,711 --> 01:02:40,505
Fair enough. He's one of the ones
who I'm like, Man, I'd love

1232
01:02:40,505 --> 01:02:44,050
if he could kind of
get into value for value because,

1233
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:46,012
you know, I get negative comments
from people

1234
01:02:46,012 --> 01:02:48,389
sending you money. No.
And if they do,

1235
01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:51,641
it's very constructive. Yeah.
Your audio sounds crap

1236
01:02:51,641 --> 01:02:54,269
or I would appreciate it
if you did this thing. Yeah.

1237
01:02:54,269 --> 01:02:56,981
It's so, so helpful. Yeah.
And you just don't

1238
01:02:56,981 --> 01:03:02,570
get low quality. We should, like,
harass him. Yeah, I don't.

1239
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:05,364
I don't want
to force this on people.

1240
01:03:05,364 --> 01:03:07,784
But that man,
he needs to be doing TV for sure.

1241
01:03:07,784 --> 01:03:09,786
Like he's. It's too cool
not to really like.

1242
01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:12,413
Yeah, I mean, he's. He's.
So you tried it.

1243
01:03:12,413 --> 01:03:14,956
What's the payment methods.
For the patriarchy? Patriarchy.

1244
01:03:14,956 --> 01:03:20,086
It's just using
a debit card and saying he says

1245
01:03:20,086 --> 01:03:23,090
he tried using Bitcoin
as kind of the crowd

1246
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:25,967
funding, you know,
getting paid in bitcoin.

1247
01:03:25,967 --> 01:03:30,056
Um, he said it was
was kind of too hard for him.

1248
01:03:30,056 --> 01:03:33,059
I'm just wondering if he didn't
have the full ethos

1249
01:03:33,059 --> 01:03:35,811
because value for value,
a lot of it is in the ask.

1250
01:03:35,811 --> 01:03:37,521
You have to be asking for it.
People aren't

1251
01:03:37,521 --> 01:03:40,233
just going to do it. Yeah.
So you know

1252
01:03:40,233 --> 01:03:42,360
if you're listening right
now, send in a boost

1253
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,239
up the same amount, 30%.
Go to Karen. If you like

1254
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,949
what Karen's doing, you know,
getting value from the place,

1255
01:03:48,949 --> 01:03:52,244
Please do that. And it's
it's like continue ask that.

1256
01:03:52,244 --> 01:03:57,041
You have to you have to make sure
people know if if they don't help

1257
01:03:57,041 --> 01:03:58,626
contribute, it's
going to go away.

1258
01:03:58,626 --> 01:04:01,963
Yeah, you can't do it.
Can't do it for free forever.

1259
01:04:01,963 --> 01:04:03,880
If you add the
advertising into it

1260
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,217
or sponsorships, you know,
you just got to know

1261
01:04:06,217 --> 01:04:09,052
that's probably going
to have an impact on if I was

1262
01:04:09,052 --> 01:04:12,849
being sponsored by Ledger,
you know, I'm not going to

1263
01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:14,599
be talking about like.
Peter McCormack.

1264
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:16,643
Yeah, like a lot of stuff
that was happening with Ledger.

1265
01:04:16,643 --> 01:04:18,228
You know, there's,
there's all sorts

1266
01:04:18,228 --> 01:04:21,815
of conflicts of interest. Yeah.
How hard was it He's had

1267
01:04:21,815 --> 01:04:23,943
like a bunch, right?
Like all these.

1268
01:04:23,943 --> 01:04:27,737
From I don't know how much.
So he's got like so many,

1269
01:04:27,737 --> 01:04:33,411
like companies like.
Gemini, I think. I think Blockfi.

1270
01:04:33,411 --> 01:04:37,289
Is kind of on down
the list of like any like

1271
01:04:37,414 --> 01:04:39,125
to his credit
I think he's kind of

1272
01:04:39,125 --> 01:04:41,710
got rid of a lot of them.
But like yeah, like if they're

1273
01:04:41,710 --> 01:04:43,336
paying the bills,
like what do you do.

1274
01:04:43,336 --> 01:04:47,925
Yes. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Um, yeah, it's, and that's

1275
01:04:47,925 --> 01:04:51,721
I see it with a lot of it.
It's, it's not, it's not Bitcoin,

1276
01:04:51,721 --> 01:04:55,391
just Bitcoin people. It's. Yeah,
it's all across the spectrum.

1277
01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:58,393
Yeah. Yeah. How many people
have had egg on their face

1278
01:04:58,393 --> 01:05:01,771
off to FDX and. Oh yeah.
You know, if you're very careful

1279
01:05:01,771 --> 01:05:04,608
and deliberate with who
you get on as a sponsor

1280
01:05:04,608 --> 01:05:07,152
and you have good relations
with them, or particularly

1281
01:05:07,152 --> 01:05:09,322
if it's a a company
you own, a product

1282
01:05:09,322 --> 01:05:12,449
that you're selling.
Yes, it's one Bitcoin, you know,

1283
01:05:12,449 --> 01:05:16,661
that makes sense. Yeah.
It's the guy that named Guzman,

1284
01:05:16,661 --> 01:05:19,539
I think. Yeah, he,
he has his own company

1285
01:05:19,539 --> 01:05:23,168
kind of sponsoring his stuff,
so that makes sense. Yeah. Right.

1286
01:05:23,168 --> 01:05:25,170
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's all
tied up together.

1287
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:28,423
But yeah, outsourcing.
Yeah, it gets

1288
01:05:28,423 --> 01:05:32,969
a little messy. Yeah. How I was
actually thinking, man,

1289
01:05:32,969 --> 01:05:35,181
how much experiences have
you had in everyday

1290
01:05:35,181 --> 01:05:38,476
life using Satoshis? Is it,
is it getting easier?

1291
01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:41,978
Because I had this one
the other day where I had some on

1292
01:05:41,978 --> 01:05:45,440
the Lightning Network and I, I
actually was promoting

1293
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,777
that episode I was talking
about before, about podcasting

1294
01:05:48,777 --> 01:05:50,820
to put a value for value
in Bitcoin. Yeah,

1295
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:53,490
I did that on Fountain
and unfortunately it was found

1296
01:05:53,490 --> 01:05:55,742
at the moment
you have to pay in Fiat

1297
01:05:55,742 --> 01:05:58,119
and Auster's,
hopefully changing that.

1298
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,456
Maybe we'll say Yeah, right.
He's been saying that

1299
01:06:00,456 --> 01:06:04,876
for a couple of months
and I was like, screw pay a Fiat.

1300
01:06:04,876 --> 01:06:06,378
And then I went, you know,
maybe it'd be good

1301
01:06:06,378 --> 01:06:09,715
if I could just transfer some of
the sets that I have

1302
01:06:09,715 --> 01:06:12,550
and get that back
into my own bank account.

1303
01:06:12,550 --> 01:06:15,972
And Fiat and I kind of just went,
I don't even know how to do that.

1304
01:06:16,931 --> 01:06:17,889
Like, this is going
to be difficult.

1305
01:06:17,889 --> 01:06:23,646
I, I know how I know a long,
complicated method of

1306
01:06:23,646 --> 01:06:27,817
getting it back on to, on chain
sending that to a an exchange

1307
01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:30,027
from the exchange,
converting that to Fiat,

1308
01:06:30,027 --> 01:06:31,570
getting that Fiat
and then getting it

1309
01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:33,614
back to my bank account.
Living room is totally

1310
01:06:33,614 --> 01:06:36,617
be the easiest way to do that.
Some some people have recommended

1311
01:06:36,617 --> 01:06:40,954
right sets forever. You know
it's the problem

1312
01:06:40,954 --> 01:06:43,958
with a lot of these is
I don't have torrents installed

1313
01:06:43,958 --> 01:06:47,670
so I'd have to learn to
just a reality is that so

1314
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:51,590
I can definitely see you know
it's still for me

1315
01:06:51,590 --> 01:06:54,677
I consider myself a me. So for us
unless you know, there's

1316
01:06:54,677 --> 01:06:59,139
still so much complex
things to learn to, to try out.

1317
01:06:59,139 --> 01:07:00,974
And it's it's
still kind of scary, you know,

1318
01:07:00,974 --> 01:07:03,978
still every time I'm still
if I can do a test

1319
01:07:03,978 --> 01:07:07,981
of sending some sort
somewhere out or BTC or even

1320
01:07:07,981 --> 01:07:09,692
some of the other stuff
for us to own, you know,

1321
01:07:09,692 --> 01:07:12,360
I still like to test it before,
just to just click on,

1322
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,032
even if it's, you know,
like $5 and $10 as a fee.

1323
01:07:16,032 --> 01:07:19,034
Yeah, it's a transfer fee.
It's like I'll pay it if it's

1324
01:07:19,034 --> 01:07:20,952
a large enough amount.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1325
01:07:20,952 --> 01:07:24,623
But yeah, you're seeing
big pictures. Yeah.

1326
01:07:24,623 --> 01:07:26,458
What's happening in
like even in Melbourne

1327
01:07:26,458 --> 01:07:29,545
for example.
Yeah. Heaps use. Heaps.

1328
01:07:29,545 --> 01:07:33,173
So I've seen a lot of businesses
coming on board, particularly in

1329
01:07:33,173 --> 01:07:35,842
the peninsula. So for
a particular bitcoin

1330
01:07:35,842 --> 01:07:39,472
we've got them like
coming in to the Madoffs

1331
01:07:39,472 --> 01:07:42,016
and then they've got.
What type of businesses.

1332
01:07:42,016 --> 01:07:44,893
Like restaurants,
mostly restaurants, cafe,

1333
01:07:44,893 --> 01:07:49,523
hairdressers to hairdressers
or barbers. Yeah, some

1334
01:07:49,523 --> 01:07:53,318
really cool, cool stuff. But like
I think it's getting to a point

1335
01:07:53,318 --> 01:07:56,822
where you could
technically just live on the,

1336
01:07:56,822 --> 01:08:00,409
like on the Lightning Network.
So I think the aha,

1337
01:08:00,409 --> 01:08:04,829
I think it's two things
that I haven't met with water.

1338
01:08:04,871 --> 01:08:07,208
So she's like the best, like
the onboarding people, right?

1339
01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:10,503
And it's got the pauses.
Um, like in fact one of the kids

1340
01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:12,545
yesterday was like, Oh,
there's a pod system in here.

1341
01:08:12,545 --> 01:08:14,090
This is awesome. Like, Yeah,
you could start

1342
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:18,219
your own business like. Now.
Since that aha moment

1343
01:08:18,219 --> 01:08:20,470
where it's like, Oh my God,
this is easy as and

1344
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:22,931
settlement immediately
because everyone

1345
01:08:22,931 --> 01:08:25,935
for the most part knows that
when you tap your credit card,

1346
01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:28,145
it's like a month later
it actually settles

1347
01:08:28,145 --> 01:08:30,271
and there's no nonsense
in the background. I don't think

1348
01:08:30,271 --> 01:08:34,652
most people know that.
And so somehow,

1349
01:08:34,652 --> 01:08:37,363
yeah, maybe I will.
Ever I've sort of explained that

1350
01:08:37,363 --> 01:08:40,323
to like kind of settlement that.
Don't understand it. Yeah.

1351
01:08:40,323 --> 01:08:43,034
Because probably everyone's
had the experience of going

1352
01:08:43,034 --> 01:08:45,621
No I don't, I, I got charged
for something

1353
01:08:45,621 --> 01:08:48,164
I didn't pay for. Yeah.
You know they didn't

1354
01:08:48,164 --> 01:08:49,750
send me the thing.
Can you cancel that.

1355
01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:52,086
Reverse it would.
And said most people kind of go

1356
01:08:52,086 --> 01:08:55,588
oh yeah I can understand.
Yes. Yeah exactly.

1357
01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:59,009
So yeah I think that's, that's
the catalyst. Like the aha moment

1358
01:08:59,009 --> 01:09:00,802
it's like, oh my God,
this is so easy.

1359
01:09:00,802 --> 01:09:03,430
Like eight years ago it wasn't
on chain stuff's clunky,

1360
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:04,806
like you're saying,
like you have to do this

1361
01:09:04,806 --> 01:09:07,643
and that and whatever they it
the user experience,

1362
01:09:07,643 --> 01:09:11,729
like really clean,
easy just works 031

1363
01:09:11,729 --> 01:09:14,524
next to zero if you like
using the Lightning Network.

1364
01:09:14,524 --> 01:09:17,069
And it's just like
why would every business

1365
01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:20,655
not be doing this? This is like
better, more efficient,

1366
01:09:20,655 --> 01:09:23,199
just works like
and you get people coming out

1367
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,326
of the woodwork
to come to your business.

1368
01:09:24,326 --> 01:09:27,579
That's the other aspects. I think
because of inflation

1369
01:09:27,579 --> 01:09:32,208
and because of the nonsense
going on with, legacy

1370
01:09:32,208 --> 01:09:35,337
finance and everything
getting more expensive,

1371
01:09:35,337 --> 01:09:37,840
less people are spending money.
So you have these restaurants

1372
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,132
and businesses
are just like, well,

1373
01:09:39,132 --> 01:09:43,179
what's going on? So they're
actively going out, look at stuff

1374
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:46,347
and there's, you know,
a community that has funds that

1375
01:09:46,347 --> 01:09:47,557
they want to spend
and they're excited

1376
01:09:47,557 --> 01:09:49,894
to come and spend it. So yeah,
what would you not?

1377
01:09:49,894 --> 01:09:53,104
So I think it's like definitely
on the uptake, like we just had

1378
01:09:53,104 --> 01:09:55,815
this morning, I went to the
crypto cafe, I had paid

1379
01:09:55,815 --> 01:09:58,569
a lightning bolt.
Like it's, it just works.

1380
01:09:58,569 --> 01:10:02,655
Like why Yeah, I've come one
for a while. Likewise

1381
01:10:02,655 --> 01:10:05,618
every business are doing this,
but I think it's just

1382
01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:08,537
one media obviously.
So it's like, oh,

1383
01:10:08,537 --> 01:10:13,333
Bitcoin does somehow
environmental side

1384
01:10:13,333 --> 01:10:15,668
and all the rest of it.
But I think that's

1385
01:10:15,668 --> 01:10:19,172
slowly disappearing
where it's just like, No, this is

1386
01:10:19,172 --> 01:10:21,759
a cool piece of tech
that permissionless.

1387
01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:24,345
Anyone can use it and people are
excited to use it.

1388
01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:27,014
So why would you not do it
like it's the penny

1389
01:10:27,014 --> 01:10:29,515
sort of dropping,
I think collectively. Yeah. Yeah.

1390
01:10:29,515 --> 01:10:32,978
I'm still on the fence
about how much I've seen it

1391
01:10:32,978 --> 01:10:37,483
in my everyday life. I'm planning
on travelling next year. Cool.

1392
01:10:37,483 --> 01:10:39,109
I think this will be
one of the big litmus

1393
01:10:39,109 --> 01:10:40,860
litmus tests because.
That was the reason

1394
01:10:40,860 --> 01:10:45,073
I actually bought it
first in 2017. Yeah. Yeah.

1395
01:10:45,073 --> 01:10:48,202
Because I wanted to use it whilst
I was travelling. Yeah.

1396
01:10:48,202 --> 01:10:51,872
Because I hate paying
exchange fees. I hate exchanging

1397
01:10:51,872 --> 01:10:54,291
money for, you know,
getting Argentinean

1398
01:10:54,291 --> 01:10:57,752
pesos. Colombian pesos.
Need to get some

1399
01:10:57,752 --> 01:11:00,296
you always need to
get some, some cash just because

1400
01:11:00,296 --> 01:11:03,175
you never knew
when you would need it

1401
01:11:03,175 --> 01:11:05,551
and you have like.
A sack full of coins

1402
01:11:05,551 --> 01:11:07,805
that you can't use
when you come on. It's just like.

1403
01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:13,769
A little box. Yeah, it's. And the
one of the disappointing

1404
01:11:13,769 --> 01:11:16,354
things was back in 2018,
I just didn't

1405
01:11:16,354 --> 01:11:20,984
see how I could use it right.
Maybe if I'd researched more,

1406
01:11:20,984 --> 01:11:22,653
maybe if I'd known
about it earlier,

1407
01:11:22,653 --> 01:11:25,905
I could have got into communities
and known more about, okay,

1408
01:11:25,905 --> 01:11:28,783
you know, you can do
go to local meet ups and

1409
01:11:28,783 --> 01:11:33,372
and exchange it there. You could
really find out, oh, there's

1410
01:11:33,372 --> 01:11:35,666
these Bitcoin ATMs
and these places,

1411
01:11:35,666 --> 01:11:40,003
that sort of thing. But it was
it was still hard. Lightning

1412
01:11:40,003 --> 01:11:44,675
was nonexistent, basically. Yeah.
And yeah, now I'm kind of

1413
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:47,051
looking at going to Europe
next year and I go, no,

1414
01:11:47,051 --> 01:11:49,470
I think I might
be able to do this.

1415
01:11:49,470 --> 01:11:51,390
And then there's
all these now like

1416
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:54,810
technical challenging
problems of, okay, well how am I

1417
01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:59,398
going to travel with this?
Should I try and remember seeds?

1418
01:11:59,398 --> 01:12:03,694
Should I how much of my willing
to keep on a phone in my wallet

1419
01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:09,158
versus on my laptop?
How you know, the large funds

1420
01:12:09,158 --> 01:12:11,827
that I have set aside?
Do I even want

1421
01:12:11,827 --> 01:12:15,079
to take that with me?
Do I need that? You know, it's

1422
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:17,248
it's kind of
I'm kind of Australian,

1423
01:12:17,248 --> 01:12:19,460
so I can kind you know,
just having an Aussie

1424
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:21,962
passport gets you
a lot of leeway in terms

1425
01:12:21,962 --> 01:12:25,006
of getting into
and out of trouble. Mm hmm.

1426
01:12:25,006 --> 01:12:28,510
Yeah, If I was I was listening
to one of your recent episodes,

1427
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:31,889
and I think Ben was talking
of a story of an Afghan lady

1428
01:12:31,889 --> 01:12:35,725
who was kind of fleeing the
the regime that was happening,

1429
01:12:35,725 --> 01:12:40,480
the Taliban taking back over
after the left. And she memorised

1430
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:42,315
her words
and was able to get out.

1431
01:12:42,315 --> 01:12:44,234
And yeah,
a lot of stuff got taken.

1432
01:12:44,234 --> 01:12:46,569
But because
she'd memorised the words

1433
01:12:46,569 --> 01:12:50,198
game, she was still
she still had something. Yes.

1434
01:12:50,198 --> 01:12:52,868
Do I need to do that? Yeah.
Unlike, probably like I'm

1435
01:12:52,868 --> 01:12:55,119
probably not going to get into
that much trouble

1436
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:59,166
that I would need to do that.
But yeah, it's I'm really hoping

1437
01:12:59,166 --> 01:13:01,542
that I'll be able
to start travelling and actually

1438
01:13:01,542 --> 01:13:03,712
start using it
utilising it. Yeah. Well I think,

1439
01:13:03,712 --> 01:13:07,466
I think you write like made ups
and BTC maps as good as well.

1440
01:13:07,466 --> 01:13:10,927
Yeah. The CDC's that wallet
of Satoshi has. I think it.

1441
01:13:10,927 --> 01:13:14,472
Has an embedded as well. Yeah.
Yeah. And then there's the BTC,

1442
01:13:14,472 --> 01:13:17,518
I think it's BTC maps dot org.
Meaning whatever the website

1443
01:13:17,518 --> 01:13:20,895
is anyway. And that's like
it's interesting

1444
01:13:20,895 --> 01:13:22,980
because you'll get
like old businesses that like

1445
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:25,109
don't exist anymore.
So you kind of have to like

1446
01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:27,403
look at it and say like,
what's what's real or not?

1447
01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:29,195
So it'd be good
if that was cleaned up a bit.

1448
01:13:29,195 --> 01:13:33,742
I think like to make it accurate.
So if we could verify like,

1449
01:13:33,742 --> 01:13:35,327
you know,
like X amount of tickets

1450
01:13:35,327 --> 01:13:37,621
means like, yes, this place
still exist sort of thing,

1451
01:13:38,622 --> 01:13:41,875
but I think it's definitely
getting easier. But I

1452
01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:45,671
just see the trajectory of like
utilising it everywhere.

1453
01:13:45,671 --> 01:13:48,131
Like it was so interesting.
Like even at the gallery

1454
01:13:48,131 --> 01:13:52,511
they like at the bar
they didn't have

1455
01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:55,596
like a set up for BTC.
It was like, Oh my God, So ran

1456
01:13:55,596 --> 01:13:58,684
the earnings through like water
so and know it's so easy like

1457
01:13:58,684 --> 01:14:02,563
why are not doing this.
So I think like that aha moment

1458
01:14:02,563 --> 01:14:05,023
like when you do
it it's just like well that's a

1459
01:14:05,023 --> 01:14:07,900
bitcoin place
now that you can go to. So years

1460
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:12,488
ago, like in Rojava it was like
forcing people to take BTC

1461
01:14:12,488 --> 01:14:14,658
and then doing
and really very hard

1462
01:14:14,658 --> 01:14:17,828
to get someone to wait 10 minutes
to get confirmation

1463
01:14:17,828 --> 01:14:20,706
and they're like, What is it now?
It's just like green.

1464
01:14:20,706 --> 01:14:23,708
Green lightning this far.
John That's one thing I've been

1465
01:14:23,708 --> 01:14:25,752
really impressed with.
The last two years.

1466
01:14:25,752 --> 01:14:30,215
Yes, So quick now. So just
they just have it instant,

1467
01:14:31,341 --> 01:14:34,261
which is really, really cool.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, have you been

1468
01:14:34,261 --> 01:14:37,389
to Europe at all in the last
couple of years or not? It's.

1469
01:14:37,389 --> 01:14:40,600
But I actually I saw
my folks went to retire.

1470
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,563
They're actually in Wexford,
so it's in Ireland. They're both,

1471
01:14:44,563 --> 01:14:47,690
both from Dublin. Initially
they've lived out here

1472
01:14:47,690 --> 01:14:50,819
like forever and yeah, they both
bought a place

1473
01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:54,823
in Wexford, which is like
you call it like the Port

1474
01:14:54,823 --> 01:14:58,952
Macquarie of, of Ireland,
like for the best weather

1475
01:14:58,952 --> 01:15:02,372
but it's freezing cold. Yeah.
Nice beaches and stuff

1476
01:15:02,372 --> 01:15:06,460
but like it's
so they bought into like

1477
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:10,506
a, a new complex
that was getting built

1478
01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:14,301
like in town sort of thing.
Moved in and then

1479
01:15:14,301 --> 01:15:16,345
was really funny
like all the other houses

1480
01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:19,430
got sold to like the diocese.
So it was mum and dad

1481
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:21,682
and just nuns like all around.
It was like,

1482
01:15:21,682 --> 01:15:26,145
it was like a sitcom.
Super nice people like and

1483
01:15:26,145 --> 01:15:29,983
they looking after it.
But yeah, like they really forgot

1484
01:15:29,983 --> 01:15:36,405
like how cold it.
So I went for like Christmas time

1485
01:15:36,405 --> 01:15:38,533
and they were like,
We're coming home.

1486
01:15:38,533 --> 01:15:41,703
It was just like,
This is ridiculous. So yeah,

1487
01:15:41,703 --> 01:15:43,162
they've been back,
but they've still got that place.

1488
01:15:43,162 --> 01:15:45,414
I think we need to go
back at some point

1489
01:15:45,414 --> 01:15:47,792
and probably sort
that all that stuff

1490
01:15:47,792 --> 01:15:50,045
out with that. But um,
yeah, I'm keen,

1491
01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:53,090
keen to get back over
to Europe at some point.

1492
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:55,425
I think my next trip
I think I want to do

1493
01:15:55,425 --> 01:15:56,885
I haven't been
outside of Australia

1494
01:15:56,885 --> 01:16:01,430
since the crazy lockdowns
and stuff. 20 2019. Yeah, yeah.

1495
01:16:01,430 --> 01:16:07,813
Thanks Dan Andrews But the
Yeah I think

1496
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:10,189
the next trip I really it like I
wanna go to El Salvador

1497
01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:13,694
I think that's like on
the cards like has to

1498
01:16:13,694 --> 01:16:16,070
it has to happen and everyone
I know is gone.

1499
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:17,948
It just like it's amazing
like I know people

1500
01:16:17,948 --> 01:16:21,158
Aussies have gone
and they're like not coming back.

1501
01:16:21,158 --> 01:16:22,703
Yeah. Like this is
where I live now.

1502
01:16:22,703 --> 01:16:25,329
This is like, amazing so
yeah, I want to see that.

1503
01:16:25,329 --> 01:16:28,500
I think that's on the cards.
But we before, before Europe.

1504
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:31,502
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm kind of a Europe's

1505
01:16:31,502 --> 01:16:33,880
the main place I want to go
but there's a Bitcoin

1506
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:39,344
2024 is in Nashville
and there's going to be

1507
01:16:39,469 --> 01:16:42,555
podcasting on the stage.
Adam Carr is kind of got

1508
01:16:42,555 --> 01:16:45,809
like the one spot the cool.
And he was planning on

1509
01:16:45,809 --> 01:16:49,604
doing a kind of panel type deal.
And even if I don't get

1510
01:16:49,604 --> 01:16:52,274
on the panel,
I just want to go that. Yeah,

1511
01:16:52,274 --> 01:16:54,525
just to meet all of these
kind of internet friends

1512
01:16:54,525 --> 01:16:56,360
I've made over the
last two years. Yeah, yeah,

1513
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,279
they're all going to be there.
So it's kind of

1514
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:03,034
also in my head. Cool. Yeah.
The thing with El Salvador is,

1515
01:17:03,034 --> 01:17:06,246
yeah, you definitely need
to go there to make sure because

1516
01:17:06,246 --> 01:17:08,497
it's still El Salvador.
I went to Guatemala,

1517
01:17:08,497 --> 01:17:10,207
which is right
next door to it. Yeah.

1518
01:17:11,417 --> 01:17:14,003
Like, if you think you're
going to live in Guatemala City,

1519
01:17:14,003 --> 01:17:15,631
for example,
and have a good time,

1520
01:17:15,631 --> 01:17:22,136
you know, that's it's
one of the most dangerous.

1521
01:17:22,136 --> 01:17:23,764
The place
I felt in the most danger

1522
01:17:23,764 --> 01:17:27,059
for sure. Right.
Just just walking around. I was

1523
01:17:27,059 --> 01:17:30,354
seeing so many signs of like,
be careful car. And this is know

1524
01:17:30,354 --> 01:17:34,149
this is not a place where you
want to accidentally

1525
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:36,359
show your wallet
or have your phone

1526
01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:40,655
out or. Yeah, yeah.
There's nice places it could be

1527
01:17:40,655 --> 01:17:43,492
in Antigua, for example.
That was a really nice place

1528
01:17:43,492 --> 01:17:47,203
in Guatemala. Yeah,
because it was more touristy.

1529
01:17:47,203 --> 01:17:49,247
You could kind of feel safe
around there. Yeah.

1530
01:17:49,247 --> 01:17:52,083
So maybe Bitcoin Beach
is probably something

1531
01:17:52,083 --> 01:17:55,127
similar in El Salvador.
Yeah. Yeah. Because.

1532
01:17:55,127 --> 01:17:59,466
Yeah, you just it's it's easy
to see the problems

1533
01:17:59,466 --> 01:18:01,717
in your own country
and think, man, this other place

1534
01:18:01,717 --> 01:18:03,761
has got it so much better. Yeah.
And then you go there

1535
01:18:03,761 --> 01:18:08,140
and it's just the cultural stuff
will just knock you off your ass.

1536
01:18:08,140 --> 01:18:12,645
Yeah. Yeah. Unless you're,
you have some heritage or. Yeah.

1537
01:18:12,645 --> 01:18:15,731
Unless you're the nomad.
Lifestyle is hard, man. Yeah.

1538
01:18:15,731 --> 01:18:17,775
Really, really hard.
Absolutely. Yeah.

1539
01:18:17,775 --> 01:18:20,945
I travel for 14 months and I
look, I was still kind

1540
01:18:20,945 --> 01:18:24,615
of travelling. I did kind of
stay in some places for a month

1541
01:18:24,615 --> 01:18:29,871
at a time. And it was still
it was still just up upending

1542
01:18:29,871 --> 01:18:31,664
your whole life
and going somewhere

1543
01:18:31,664 --> 01:18:34,917
because you think it's better.
Yeah, it's harder. Yeah. No, no,

1544
01:18:34,917 --> 01:18:37,628
I don't think I'm doing that.
But I just want to say

1545
01:18:37,628 --> 01:18:40,215
the pilgrimage for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.

1546
01:18:40,215 --> 01:18:42,175
I'd love to do that as well.
I would just get back

1547
01:18:42,175 --> 01:18:45,177
to Latin America. I really,
really love that place, so.

1548
01:18:45,177 --> 01:18:47,680
Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Not.
Never been. So. Yeah, definitely.

1549
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,141
Want to check out. Yeah.
Some stage anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

1550
01:18:50,141 --> 01:18:51,810
Try out some of the
some of the food.

1551
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:57,690
The pretty girls, man.
That's good. That's.

1552
01:18:57,690 --> 01:18:59,525
Is there anything else
you wanted to talk about, man?

1553
01:18:59,525 --> 01:19:04,029
Anything I want to know? Oh.
I suppose the last big thing

1554
01:19:04,029 --> 01:19:07,324
that I'm working on.
So we're going to have. Yeah.

1555
01:19:07,324 --> 01:19:09,786
I had written down here.
You're talking about

1556
01:19:09,786 --> 01:19:14,166
doing a GitHub bug last time
we were chatting. All right, Now,

1557
01:19:14,166 --> 01:19:17,502
I didn't have any
that was the coder dojo.

1558
01:19:17,502 --> 01:19:22,716
That was the. I mean, even just
teaching, obviously. Yeah. Yeah.

1559
01:19:22,716 --> 01:19:24,134
Well, the big thing
that we want to do

1560
01:19:24,134 --> 01:19:28,012
so is setting up a cyber academy.
So like, what we're building out

1561
01:19:28,012 --> 01:19:33,435
with is smart classroom.
I don't want that to sort of

1562
01:19:33,435 --> 01:19:36,438
die with the school. So, so
the principal leaves

1563
01:19:36,438 --> 01:19:38,981
and all leaves and that's,
you know, kind of

1564
01:19:38,981 --> 01:19:41,109
like the law school. It's like,
oh, that was a cool

1565
01:19:41,109 --> 01:19:43,360
thing for a while.
And now it's like, disappeared.

1566
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,529
So which scholars, as.
Far as I'm at Bernier

1567
01:19:45,529 --> 01:19:49,074
Primary School
sits in, in Bernier, which is

1568
01:19:49,074 --> 01:19:52,621
very far from Melbourne City.
So it's pretty rural,

1569
01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:54,789
but it's, it's a building
like a cutting edge

1570
01:19:54,789 --> 01:19:59,795
learning space in a rural school.
It's awesome. Yeah, kids love it.

1571
01:19:59,795 --> 01:20:03,088
Like it's so much fun.
But basically what I want to do

1572
01:20:03,088 --> 01:20:06,426
is set up this cyber academy.
So there's a lot of

1573
01:20:06,426 --> 01:20:10,055
like tech graduates
that are out there, particularly

1574
01:20:10,055 --> 01:20:13,015
in cyber security,
network engineering,

1575
01:20:13,015 --> 01:20:15,268
that sort of thing.
They get kind of thrown

1576
01:20:15,268 --> 01:20:19,855
into the deep end. And, you know,
after graduated, they kind of

1577
01:20:19,855 --> 01:20:24,485
go to Enterprise and it's like,
well, like, what do I do? So what

1578
01:20:24,485 --> 01:20:26,947
I'd like to create a space
where they can sort

1579
01:20:26,947 --> 01:20:32,034
of learn about pedagogy as well.
So like, you know,

1580
01:20:32,034 --> 01:20:35,329
how a learning space
sort of works,

1581
01:20:35,329 --> 01:20:39,000
job shadow me and then
them into another school

1582
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,502
to build something
similar, right? So like open

1583
01:20:41,502 --> 01:20:43,671
source template,
this is what we're doing.

1584
01:20:43,671 --> 01:20:47,801
Here's another school,
we're setting you up there

1585
01:20:47,801 --> 01:20:50,679
and then have all the similar
sort of tech and have them

1586
01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:56,141
interconnected. So the classrooms
as nodes like on a network of,

1587
01:20:56,141 --> 01:20:59,854
of, of schools sort of thing.
So we started setting it up

1588
01:20:59,854 --> 01:21:03,567
with real time learning.
So apart with that's Luke

1589
01:21:03,567 --> 01:21:06,944
So we've set up that actually
two students now, they're

1590
01:21:06,944 --> 01:21:09,280
going to come like work
with us in the classroom

1591
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,408
and then he's got all the schools
that we're going to put them in

1592
01:21:11,408 --> 01:21:12,742
and build out
a network of schools

1593
01:21:12,742 --> 01:21:15,912
that I'm super excited
about that as well.

1594
01:21:15,912 --> 01:21:18,163
So like having this
cyber academy,

1595
01:21:18,163 --> 01:21:23,295
that means we can do like
really high end

1596
01:21:23,295 --> 01:21:27,131
technical learning, but it's not
reliant on person.

1597
01:21:27,131 --> 01:21:29,134
So it's not like a single point
of failure sort of thing.

1598
01:21:29,134 --> 01:21:33,095
So we can branch out
and then build it out. So like

1599
01:21:33,095 --> 01:21:34,972
between that
and Blockchain Academy

1600
01:21:34,972 --> 01:21:37,850
and the school of Bitcoin
Digital Playhouse, which I'm

1601
01:21:37,850 --> 01:21:40,270
on the board for,
which is a charity

1602
01:21:40,270 --> 01:21:43,564
for pretty much anyone
who's disadvantaged,

1603
01:21:43,564 --> 01:21:46,150
like in terms of technology.
So if they haven't,

1604
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:50,195
haven't got the ability
for or the, the access

1605
01:21:50,195 --> 01:21:55,034
to education for tech,
we've got a school bitcoins

1606
01:21:55,034 --> 01:21:57,244
part of that
as but a space for them

1607
01:21:57,244 --> 01:21:59,872
to sort of learn about that
and then yeah

1608
01:21:59,872 --> 01:22:02,500
the school as well so.
All this stuff. Yeah but

1609
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:04,836
it's all it's awesome
so it's like nothing that I'm not

1610
01:22:04,836 --> 01:22:07,087
excited about
so that's cool man. Yeah.

1611
01:22:07,087 --> 01:22:08,672
Well where
would be the best place

1612
01:22:08,672 --> 01:22:12,260
for people to write about today?
Yeah. Reach out my.

1613
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:15,262
Websites like Katie
Nolan dot com. So I've just got

1614
01:22:15,262 --> 01:22:17,265
everything listed
on there and monastir

1615
01:22:17,265 --> 01:22:20,268
and all the rest of it. So yeah,
feel, feel free to reach out.