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How far did Juan walk down the rabbit hole?

In Episode #451 of 'Meanderings' Juan & I discuss: a walk that filled his head with ideas, getting back into yoga again, reflecting in a negative way, whether I should eat a meal before working out, remembering when we used to live together, why I think Juan will inevitably run an ultra-marathon and why it's good not to overthink training.

Huge thanks to Petar & Cole McCormick for supporting the show. We really appreciate your contribution!

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:32) Where do people listen?
(00:1:34) Juan has a transcendental walk
(00:08:01) Looking up for reflection
(00:11:05) Getting stuck in your own head
(00:18:00) Big brain old Juan
(00:22:15) Boostagram Lounge
(00:34:35) Does eating before a workout helps recovery?
(00:43:23) Performance & muscles
(00:48:44) Nostalgia and dissapointing friends
(00:53:12) Recent implementations
(00:58:47) The inevitable goal of running
(01:04:24) V4V: Time/Talent/Treasure
(01:06:02) Jack PGM

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[00:00:08] Juan Granados:

Welcome back, mere mortalites, to another session of meanderings. You've got Juan from Australia here. And Kyrin in Brazil, also from Australia.   Also from Australia, but residing in Brazil for the moment, 30th June, if you're here in an Australian time, if you're listening to it live 29th, if you're over in the   well Brazil. Eastern world, eastern world, at least from our perspective. Brazil,   USA, any of those places. Although I was having a look at some of our stats   on YouTube.   No. Not YouTube. It was on the audio side of things   on the book reviews, and I think it's France. Right? 20 something.  

Well, France is a top weirdly and then   US is the next 1 up. So I think predominantly  

[00:00:51] Kyrin Down:

I think there's it doesn't show all the stats in there because I was as I was like fine tuning things and going down, I'm like minutely, I could say I could see it said Australia   had more views than the US even though it didn't show up on the chart. So I think that chart doesn't   show all the countries.  

[00:01:07] Juan Granados:

Misinformation   for sure. Now   this session, me and Drew, it's just a chance for us to really just talk about things that have been on our mind, things that have been of interest,   anything that we've called out from a learning perspective.   A long time ago, we were doing what's called I guess musings, I'm sorry,   sorry, musings on a specific topic is a little bit more   broad based   still trying to have deep conversations with like how to touches.   And I guess I wanted to talk about 1 of the things that had been a predominant from my side. And it's in the title, I guess, of this particular conversation, which was walking,   walk, walk, walking.  

I found myself   give us time and place probably start of June,   that   I was beginning   to think   think I was like, oh, okay, I've got the new annual goals that are coming up. And I can't remember if I told you this or not, or if who I said this to, but I wasn't overly excited. Like I wasn't excited to begin the new annual goals,   which wasn't   the usual feeling that I've had over the last few years. And I actually opened up in my master spreadsheet that I have, I actually went back and opened up the 27 year old, 28 year old, 29 year old,   annual goals just to have a review back of, oh, yeah. That's what I was focusing in back then. And that's what I was doing, you know, oh, wow, like, that's been now like completely   over overpassed by the stuff that I'm doing now, which was really cool, just to try and give me some,   maybe energy and excitement for the new 1.  

But still, I didn't trigger it. That didn't trigger it. And it wasn't   it wasn't until   I got   Yeah, it would have been it wasn't until I actually got   it started just   like  

[00:02:57] Kyrin Down:

grazed my legs together from running too far. Lucas in the chat says forced to Skip 1. I think it's I think a walk is better for you. Karen told me you were getting old boy  

[00:03:08] Juan Granados:

coming in fire. This is this is the   current fact. Although although the the crazy and the sad thing for Lucas and Karen is that if 1 actually probably put in   Here it comes. 3 months worth of effort into handstands only, then I would, like, decimate them completely. In fact, Miguel wouldn't even hold a bar to my skills. But   the reality was   after that, like, you know,   again,   after just   grazing my legs and not really able to run for a week or so. I went for for a walk and ended up being a really gigantic walk. Now,   I guess as a   point here for most of the immortal lights, and I guess for current,   think about it in the back of your mind if something equivalent to something like what I'm gonna describe,   neither do,   consciously   or it has happened unconsciously. But for me, I threw on my headphones.  

I listened into I listened on to to a little bit of podcast at the beginning of the walk, but then I went, you know what? I just wanna, like, I'm 1 I just want to relax. I just want to listen to some music. That's that's what I want to listen to. And it was more I can   I don't know if you remember suicide sheep type music, which is just, I guess, melodic,   tonal,   that just soft,  

[00:04:21] Kyrin Down:

soft, somber, maybe that that type of music? I imagine that. D and B and drum a beat as well. It's like a little it was a little it was a little bit electronical, wasn't it? Suicide sheet?  

[00:04:30] Juan Granados:

Yeah. It looks, Suicide sheet did do that. So, like, it it wasn't exactly suicide sheet, but it was like like that, but even like let's say softer and more Lo fi maybe. Softer and slower, that type of music. Yeah. Yeah.   And in any case,   the walk in total,   I would have done 40 minutes probably on my own and then another half hour by the river   the so so Saturday run correct by the river. So it was really it was all walking right over an hour of walking   and   5 minutes in   there, whatever, I was just listening to music kind of annoyed that I wasn't listening to a podcast, though, wanting to be doing something, right, the active mind. And then and then it came kind of like the unlock   of letting the mind wander, not particularly being focused in on doing something like an activity in general.  

That just it all burst through in terms of all these ideas for the girls, it just sort of steam rolled through, it was pretty crazy.   Like 1 moment, I was   kind of not complaining, but just annoyed in my mind if I wanted to listen to that particular part of the podcast. So I don't want to like be learning this or I'm annoyed that I can't run. And then it became Oh, shit. Here's this annual goal. Here's this annual goal. Here's this Yep, cool, cool, cool. And then started going into,   okay.   Now I know exactly. I've been thinking   about that. I wanted to do this more philosophical reels and wasn't sure how I was going to do it. And all of a sudden, it was a, hey,   awesome. I know exactly how I'm going to do this. Yep. This is how   and you get almost that energy   that   made made me want to be like, I want to go home right now and just start writing this down or creating them. So there was that   another aspect which I'm still toying with the idea of whether I'm going to do it or not have.  

You've heard the concept of   like, some people call it storyboarding, some people call it   like creating a wall of your goals and stuff like that. So not that not that excite.   I think that's not very precise, not very good.   But maybe for the first time setting a,   like a 5 year   vision, if you will, of what it would look like something different to the imminent goals.   And the reason why I was thinking that was more so the my imminent goals are not time based at all. They're just   pursuits, I guess, which is nice to have. But having a   particular   time domain definitely helps as well. Obviously, having a kid, it's very different   to kind of consider what your life is going to be like when they're in preschool or they're gonna be in school and how does your day suffice   versus just being an absolute free bird. So I think now is   a it's a change   in I guess timing and the things that I do in that regard.  

So   there was   there was a lot of stuff that came out of that particular walk. And I went,   damn,   it took 1 bloody walk   of just a little bit over an hour without focusing on anything in particular to   release a lot of ideas and a lot of things that I wanted to do. And honestly, I could only put it down to   1 probably just having a lot of   weeks, I'm gonna say day days, a lot of weeks where it was just,   there was a lot of activities, there was a lot of doing in a in a good way. But it was all tactical. It was all okay, today, I've got to run   20 meetings, and I've got 14 calls, and I've got to reply to 100 emails, and I've got to   do the bedtime routine, and I've got to go cook dinner, and I've got to go get the, you know, all the   things that you have to do to exist in life or to participate in   the space that you're living in.  

But, but because it was the first time I guess I allowed a big block of time where it was   just think it then allowed the mind to wander and bring in all these good ideas, which I went   dead. That was really good. So do you Karen, do you consciously   find yourself time to do that? This is not a thing that you need because you maybe already incorporate as part of your life,   day to day or week to week or month to month?  

[00:08:29] Kyrin Down:

I'm already lazy as fuck, man. So I got I got oodles of time to   to just,   no, that's   not entirely true. I am definitely a little bit lazy.   The   I've been repeating this often   often for the last 2 months, 1 of those ones where it's like, you know, you know, people who just say,   they just say something, but they never actually do it. I've been a little bit guilty of that where I'm like, I should sit down and stare up at the stars more. And I've been saying that as 1 is, you know, sometimes this works because, you know, manifestation and all that sort of stuff.   Although I don't believe in it in that sense, I also do believe that there is something about   getting thoughts out of your head and even like the   laziest way of putting them out, whether it be   just saying it   out loud,   or if you go into the more   standard ways of doing things of actually writing it down and creating a proper   tracking method of trying to do something. That's the better way. But I've been doing the ultimate laziest version of this, which is I need to stare up at the stars more and just chill out.  

And, you know, I did a little bit of that when I was on the retreat with with, Lucas doing the handstands.   And joining the yoga again has been good because,   well, you kind of do that because you just lay down there for a little bit, especially   at the end of a session. And   I've joined a really good yoga studio here. It's called Auggie, o g g e. And   it's just a it's really cool vibe. They're letting us train there as well so I can escape the   the the fucking bugs, man.   That's that's honestly my biggest bugs. Just these little they're not mosquitoes, but they're like, I guess you'd call them,   midges   or sand flies or something like that. But they eat me they eat me good man they love me they love green everyone loves Gringos everyone loves me   and   they just been they've been tearing me apart man Absolutely tearing me apart. And   getting to to train in the space has really been good. And the the yoga is at a really good level for me. The teacher,   Nahima, she's   she's 1 of those ones where it's like she accommodates everyone. So you can be   really beginner, but the moves, you can make it as hard as you want and and she gives those really hard hard ones for me so I've been enjoying that but yeah just sitting   I think that's a version of kind of you you know, my version of that less active,   more   chilling out. I've got a question for you, which is   on any of these walks, have you have any of these walks ever turned into   a negative thing as in you   get trapped in your own head thinking about things and it's actually kind of an unpleasant unproductive unhelpful experience.  



[00:11:23] Juan Granados:

Yeah, that's a good question. No, is the answer.   Because   it's always and because this is going to be the other part of the story I was going to bring up.   I tried to replicate it. So obviously, the first time I was able to go on this long walk, I really, really did enjoy it. And   I got all these great ideas from it. Right?   Then last Saturday, so literally, so yesterday, sorry, yesterday,   I went to go and do a similar thing. So by mistake and Karen, you'll love this. By mistake, I woke up at 350 instead of 5 when I was supposed to go for a run at 6. I thought, well, fuck it. I'll just get up anyways.   So I got up and I went down to the Riverside basically again,   walked.  

And well, the original idea is maybe I'll go down there and jog. And before the actual 5 kilometre run, but I thought, you know what, I really enjoyed that. And walk it at the other day and listening to music. Maybe I'll try to do that again. Let's go do that. Threw in the headphones   went for a   56 minute walk. It was this time around.   And it wasn't the same. It wasn't the same. It wasn't the same in that no   brilliant new ideas came.   And I could throw it up to a couple of things. Maybe 1,   I set the expectation that it was going to be like the last walk, that could be 1 thing.   2, it could be that maybe it was too close together. So I'd already kinda got all these   maybe stored ideas that were sitting in the underlying, you know,   consciousness, so subconscious that sort of come out and there wasn't anything new to, to extract from there, although there were some things that I was able to   maybe dial in or nail down, but it wasn't it wasn't equivalent to the previous work. But it never   so but but in saying that that particular walk,   nor in previous   occurrences that I can think of, Do I ever get myself into a negative self talk?  

Or like a in my mind that I shouldn't have done this or I should have done that? I never and I guess it's probably goes more to me.   Because far back as I can remember, I've never been a person that has generally done that, to   reminisce too hard or   sits in on a particular idea that either went well or not well, or that longer time, maybe because I'm   more defaulting to   want to take actions or do things. And I think that's where I get impatient, right? Of if I'm if I'm going on a walk, and if I get a good idea or wherever, I can't I wanna go do that now. Go go go go go.   Versus, yeah, sitting there and being stuck in   negative or a bad thought pattern. So, yeah, that that second walk wasn't as productive,   But it was neutral. Like it was good. It's coming. It was good. That's isn't to music.  

Had some fun thoughts. But no, no negative stuff. No, think that's all like, I was like, I was locked in my mind. And wasn't wasn't a good,   good activity to do. Was it neutral? Yeah, I asked that because  

[00:14:26] Kyrin Down:

what has been my regular routine at the moment has usually been all   depends on the date.   But   in general, it'll be chill out here in the mornings. I'll   read some of this Portuguese book, try and get some of that done. Just, you know, general life thing, sorting   flights and,   you know, where I'm gonna get next,   cooking, buying, shopping, whatever. Just something in the morning. And then I usually take an Uber to the,   to the studio where we train. And men, this was the other thing I forgot to say about the the girl,   from the previous episode, which is Uber's here are so cheap, man. I've spent   probably,   oh, really 35 minutes of time traveling there and back. And it I think it cost me   $11 in total.  

I spent   I spent almost more on tips for the drivers because they were chatty and cool. Wow.   Okay. So, yeah, Uber's here are ridiculously cheap. So, in any way, I take an Uber there. I train with Lucas, and then typically I walk home in the evenings. And   some of the walks have been great.   Like you, I   I can't I can't replicate things. I I feel like I've done almost the exact same routine. I'm walking at the exact almost the exact same amount of time.   And   1 day I was just   it was a mental battle to not   throw myself in the river and drown myself because it was I was just I was just like, fuck, man.   You're like,   you're here, but you're you're Portuguese is still so shit. You still can't talk to girls. You had a shit training session. Like, your hands are never gonna fix themselves, blah blah blah. You know, all the all the all the stuff, which is   if I try and break through with logic, it it doesn't work usually.  

It it usually   it just sometimes it needs,   something just needs to fade away.   At times, I have been able to break through this with a bit of a win by thinking of, like, all the stuff that I've done in the past, which   says contrary to all the negative things that is going through my head. But   usually, man, I just have to kind of ride the wave and just   I'll know I know that I'll get better in, you know, probably, like, 3 hours time. But just during that walk when I've got nothing else   going on,   even if I'm listening to a podcast, like, I'll, you know, you know, when you listen to things, but you're not listening to it and you're just thinking instead,   That's that'll be going on.  

And then the next day or 3 days later, I'll be going and I'll be happy.   I'll see this girl walking and she's got a dog. So I'll start talking with her about the dog. Like, oh, you know, that meant the easiest pickup line here. It's not even a pickup line. It's just easiest way to talk to a girl here is if they've got a dog, you say, oh, excuse me. What what do you call this dog breed in in in Portuguese? And, you know, it's just like guaranteed minutes of conversation no matter what.   But,   yeah, it it I can't I can't predict those things. And so for me,   a long walk can be a very fruitful fun thing or it can be torture. It's usually not or it can just be neutral. You know, there's   you never you never know what you're gonna get bag a bag of Skittles currents will feel like a bag of Skittles.  



[00:17:54] Juan Granados:

Okay, you got The full gamut   of potential negative to positive. So what did you  

[00:18:00] Kyrin Down:

do? I don't know. Write down all of these things as you were thinking about them or it was like   there were too detailed and complex that you'd lose them all if you try to write them down. So you just try to juggle them all in your head   Or maybe even Well create an audio note or something. I don't know. What will we what will you thinking? So I don't I don't know I don't know what is happening  

[00:18:21] Juan Granados:

to my  

[00:18:22] Kyrin Down:

I can tell you. You're getting old. I know what is happening to my  

[00:18:26] Juan Granados:

I don't know what's happening to my mind recollection.   Right.   But in some aspects of it,   it's become   not as great.   Well, well, it don't know. It's weird because it's not it is not going to end where you think it's   the the recollection part where kind of the mundane   or   the traditional   definitely I'm finding myself forgetting things and and I can only attribute that to the fact that like there's just a lot going on in life. And what I mean by that is   often now I'll go to the shops, and I'll just forget cheese or I'll forget pies or I'll forget, ah, we needed this or we needed that. That's becoming more of a regular occurrence. But I can only say that that's happening.   Because a lot 1 is a lot going on. Maybe 2, it's less of is often important. So I'm not prioritizing to remember.  

But on this particular walk, and in a lot of things that I'm doing in my life now, man,   it's the inverse. My   recollection for some things is becoming   even crazier, like even better. So when you're saying about,   you know, did I note it down by audio? Or did I write it down?   I can only explain it. The only way I can explain it was,   it was so   energizing   and maybe   different to my   state of mind in the previous few weeks before that, because it was always just so tactical.   But it was so refreshing to my brain maybe or me   to think   strategically   that I was able to recall   almost like word for word thought for thought when I got back home later like in the evening to write it down and I was able to write down   everything,   everything down perfectly. As I've remembered it, there was nothing forgotten.  

The way that I was doing   the philosophy vertical reels,   same, nothing that needed to be recalled.   And I don't know, I think I probably only attribute that to the fact that   it's just novel, exciting,   but I've also started to notice that   in my just my usual way of doing   work, I guess, in, like, in, like, a work stream perspective. Many years ago, when I was younger,   the way that I would make sure that I wouldn't be missing things on a day to day basis is   a, like, in my workday, I'd write down all of my line items of tasks I have to do and then the importance and severity behind them so that I would able to write that down, and that have other means to do other tasks that I had to do. Now don't get me wrong. I still do a lot of that.   Less writing it down more in a digital sense, but I've started to do   do it less and just   recall a lot of the important things that I have to do   kind of like in state in in memory rather than getting them from somewhere that I've written them down. Now I'm sure this is gonna fail me at some point. I'm sure it's failed me somewhere else in the last couple of months that I'm just not even recalling right now. But yeah. For whatever for whatever reason, in that particular walk, all of those ideas, I was able to recall them really vividly and really well,   when I was rewriting them down even to the point that I could I can almost recall   each 1 of those girls that are written down the song that I was listening to at the time or where I was on the walk. It was like that that level of vivid.  



[00:21:43] Kyrin Down:

Cool. Cool. Nice. Alright. Well, that's,   that's usually only you hear people say.  

[00:21:50] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. I thought it was gonna be the other way, but, no, it was, it was 1 of those features.   I I really, really enjoyed, really enjoyed. So 1 of the other learnings and maybe we'll get it actually just quickly let's step into the boost to gram lounge sure call out some support and then we'll get into these learnings piece So learning  

[00:22:07] Kyrin Down:

3 implementations. Grams that come through. Thing we need to talk about.  

[00:22:11] Juan Granados:

So, alright. Well, yeah, let's we'll talk about learnings and implementations, but bootstrap lounge and, again, boostograms, it's you have the ability, folks, if you're out there participating in the value for value space, you can support us by sending through Satoshis,   with a message attached if you'd like, or also streaming through Satoshis on the good podcast apps out there that allow you to do that. But that this supports us in continuing the podcast, being able to produce content for you, make the time for it, get the equipment that we need and all of that. And in the lounge, we just like to call out those who have been supporting us. It has been,   same sort of tried and true names that we've seen in the past, which honestly,   really can't say   much more, but thank you,   in in that regard. But we wanna see new names. We wanna see more people trialing out, the the platform and supporting so   if you want your name to be called out with with a message attached, feel free to send through a brief screen as well.  

So we've got 3,   1 for call McCormick. He says Karen and I   cut Karen and I are on e eerily similar tracks with health and training relations.   When you come to LA, I'll show you around.   That's very cool. It's 5, 492  

[00:23:24] Kyrin Down:

sets that you can count. Thank you. Cool. That's his, that's his favorite number boost there. I can't remember what he was from a poster that he had on his wall. I think it was Star Wars related   maybe that not but anyway, that number is special to him. So,   thank you for that call. And, yeah, definitely definitely keen. I'm,   probably right after this, I'm gonna start looking at flights   of when I'll actually get to LA, rough timings, things like that.   I've invited Cole to go to V con with me as well, so we'll probably do that together.  

[00:23:57] Juan Granados:

Well, there's gonna be some t pain and there's gonna be some training relations. It sounds like. Thanks, Cole.   And then we got 2 from Peter. So we got 2. First 1 here, it's a row of ducks 2, 222   sets and using fountain, he says,   I like the idea of taking a digital detox from podcasts and the Internet. I haven't done that in a while, but I have an old flip phone, and I just pop my SIM card into you for a while this summer. It's funny how   the spell gets broke broken after you walk away for a while. Also glad to hear your loving handstand camp. Thank you, Peter.  

[00:24:30] Kyrin Down:

I've got a a backup old phone here as well, which, my brother,   has kindly let me use in case I in case of emergencies   here. And I was I've I've been tempted to just bust it out, especially when I'm in Rio and people are look at a it's hard to get a feel for how dangerous Rio is because I know it'll be bad because it'll be it'll it's a touristy place. So   I'm gonna   I'm gonna get treated like a fucking dollar sign, which I hate. Absolutely hate.   But, yeah, the   scaling down your phone is is a good way. Another little fun tip that I've, been doing, I got rid of Instagram on off of my phone, and then   people are still like, oh, you know, what's your thing? Or add me or I'll add you or something like that. And so I needed to bring it up. And just using the website version of it on, you know, Google Chrome or whatever, you can still log in, but it just   it still has the functionalities, but it's not smooth. And it it stops you from using it. But you can still use it if you do   need to or if it's like   semi inconvenient for you to not have it. So there's a little little fun hack there where you can you can still have access to it, but it's kind of a diminished experience, so you don't really want to use it.  



[00:25:48] Juan Granados:

Oh, yeah. No. No. That's a that's a really good idea. Have you thought about just having the app, but just not making it easily available? I've tried I've tried that, man. Yeah. I'm sorry. I put it way in the back, but I'd  

[00:25:58] Kyrin Down:

I'd find   I'd find myself going to it. So, yeah, I find it easily just just to get rid of them. And look, I'm   I'm sure in a year's time, it'll probably be back on my phone again because I'll have thought of some reason for why it's essential that I use it and need it on there. But,   I'm enjoying my   my,   I wouldn't call it extended detox at the moment.   What what would I call it?   It's because it's because it's not like as intense as like a retreat where I just got rid of everything but   the afterglow of it the after effect is still am I radiating 1 from through the screen? I probably am.   And   the that that that, essence is still with me of, like, yeah, fuck this social media stuff. I don't need it. Like, it's not helpful. It's not it's not helping me get where I wanna get.  



[00:26:54] Juan Granados:

Yeah, fair.   Yeah. Yeah, I debate that I debated it's I think   I think in 2 different ways, or maybe just 1 different way. I think there can be a lot of good value, there can be a lot of goodness that can come from it. But it has to be   controlled   very well, or else   the fine line between   value and fun spills over into   wasted time and,   you know, self loathing by comparison   that can very quickly spiral out of control if you don't   manage it well. And and then again, in in managing a well, you just walk in a tight rope that's very easy to fall off. So that I was gonna say I was gonna give you lots of examples for people at home of when I've been using the Instagram over the last couple of days weeks where I go, man, you know, that was pretty good. I got a reply from Chris Williamson.   And I got a potential.  

Well, I am meeting him   come November at the end of the year. And I thought of ways potentially get him on the podcast. But so I could say, you know, there's some value there. However, I could very easily tell you some days where I got lost in the,   in the infinity   infinity scroll and I felt like, you know, I could have been reading at that point. That's 1 of those days I didn't do my reading so it goes both ways. It's a it's a tight very very very fine. I've usually been good with the comparison 1. I haven't I don't find myself comparing myself  

[00:28:16] Kyrin Down:

too much to others.   Even the best hand balances when I look at them and see some of the crazy stuff that I   am pretty sure I'll never be able to do. I go, you know, they've also   I I I rationalize the the reason why they're at that level and go, you know, they've been doing it for 15 years more than I I have and ever will.   For me, I think it's like the passive stuff. It's just the   it's just the the small,   like I said, I I tried 9 gag   just before this before these episodes, and I there was probably about 5 funny things and then I got to like   6   sad things in a row and I just went, oh, gross. No.  

Get rid of it. There's no risk really social media, but that's I mean, that's that's honestly how I use social media because I'm pretty much a lurker the whole time. I don't really post stuff.  

[00:29:10] Juan Granados:

Actually, that's that's that's true of me too. I do post some some some time. Well, obviously, post some things myself and sometimes I comment on things, but very, very few in comparison   to a lot of other people, I guess, who are utilizing it in that way. I'm I'm And so and and the way that I'm into, by the way, for for comparison, which I it is probably even more, amusing is that the comparison that I meant in for for me personally is not a comparison of, oh, this person's doing this or this person's doing that. But it's quite often when I'll see   someone   lifting or someone doing handstand or someone doing   pick whatever at a really high domain. And then my immediate thought would be like, damn, yeah, maybe next month, I should focus in on doing that because it looks really cool. I want to get better at that. So yeah. And that's where I can derail   goals completely because I just chase the next shiny thing. So that's that's more where it hits me. That's that's your personality  

[00:30:02] Kyrin Down:

and the problems that come with your personality.  

[00:30:06] Juan Granados:

Exactly. Exactly.   Now the final 1 that we have here is another 1 from Peter, another Rob Ducks 2, 222   sets and using fountain. And he says,   this is how every ETF should be built in kind withdrawals   are a must.   So that's obviously attributed to the conversation with Jeff. 1 thing that, Karen, I guess this is for you to know,   that you haven't listened to that, but maybe fathers, I'll just re restate it as well. So the ETF in particular monochromes 1 here in Australia, the Bitcoin spot, Bitcoin ETF,   you can essentially invest   and get well, you're investing into an ETF, which you have a 1 to 1 mapping   to Bitcoin that held in a trust.  

It was called a bear trust,   get reputed   Bitcoin holder, which is Gemini.   And at any point in time, you can extract that Bitcoin directly to essentially a a wallet of your choosing. So,   you know, you currently, that gets a process for   you and me for many years would have been, you go down a a path of obtaining Bitcoin.   You move it to a a a wallet, cold wallet, and you hide it away. That's it.   So in this, I guess, with this particular path, you can   use an ETF, probably an easier way, I guess, of taming Bitcoin.   And if you have a need, you have the,   I guess, in kind of withdrawals to be able to withdraw that Bitcoin at any point that you want but it's the kick of the same  

[00:31:29] Kyrin Down:

it's just it's just corporations can do it now.   Oh, yeah.  

[00:31:33] Juan Granados:

It's essentially the same thing. Well, it just eat it is well, I think 1 of the what really struck me is it just it's easy,   for people who are maybe a little bit intimidated of,   you know, wanting to have to go figure out a cold wallet or have to go through a an exchange that perhaps maybe they're blocked from a bank or something like that. Stuff like that. Yeah.   Yeah, lots of reasons. However, this is the kicker that I didn't I didn't realize this.   But at least for Australia, I can't say this for other other countries. But if you utilize monograms, ETF, or Bitcoin ETF,   and you put in, let's just say, a 100 grand,   and you at some point in 5 years time, you know, you want to extract that Bitcoin,   you can get that Bitcoin directly to you. But at that point that that you that sale,   that Bitcoin,   it's a non taxable event when you receive that. So it's only when you then subsequently wanna transform that to   a fiat currency if you wish to do that, that that's when you pay tax. So I didn't actually realize that until I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of  

[00:32:38] Kyrin Down:

Yeah, I could I could see a use case for that how that could be useful. Yeah.  

[00:32:42] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, oh, very interesting.   But in any case, Peter,   thank you very much for those 2 boost. They're comical. McThank you very much, mate.   Hopefully,   current son to get some details around when he's done there. Come on over into LA as well. I'm sure you guys will enjoy that. Enjoy the  

[00:32:59] Kyrin Down:

conversations around health and training, I'm sure. Actually, no. I'm just thinking that that's still the same. If I if I buy a 100 gram worth of Bitcoin on a exchange, I leave it there   and for 5 years   and   get lucky that that exchange doesn't go down and then I take out the Bitcoin   that that's non taxable either. It's still the same.   So yeah, that's nothing's really changed. It's just it's just,   it's just for corporations and   for   for the financial world to   get into it.  

[00:33:34] Juan Granados:

Yeah, the   the main difference, I guess, is   the security that comes with,   I guess, some of these ETFs.   Well, not all,   but at least with monochrome, it is underneath ASIC.   Like regulated, it is regulated. So if at 1 point in time, like you said, if you had money on the exchange, which look, I'm going to recommend don't keep fucking coins in your exchanges, people.   But if an exchange goes down, or   if it gets   locked away because it actually doesn't meet regulations,   then yeah, you should have luck. So I guess it's just that extra level of security that you can have in there   with the, I guess, the similar use cases that you may be finding in the existing market. So   hopefully, all I all I thought was hopefully, it's like   another event that helps people   be able to partake in the   in the ecosystem that is is Bitcoin, but   we'll see. We'll see. We'll see what that would actually means. That's sounds good, man. Sounds good. As time goes on.  

Okay, so hit me hit me with your some of the other   learnings and thoughts that you've had over the last I guess couple of weeks or maybe even months? Yeah. Well, I well, I gave you a lot of my learnings last last week from the, retreat.  

[00:34:47] Kyrin Down:

So,   1,   you hold my life in your hands right now. I'm going to ask you a question and how you answer this next question could be the most radical change in my life.   Are you prepared for this responsibility?  

[00:35:01] Juan Granados:

No, I'm  

[00:35:02] Kyrin Down:

not. Here we go. This this is 1 I think you you'll probably know. So   does eating before a workout help in recovery   for the next day?   Because I don't me personally, I don't believe it results in improved performance   despite, you know, I'm sure there's all sorts of studies saying that people have better performance if they eat, you know, 2 hour, 2 and a half hours having this exact amount of carbs, this amount of grams, protein, whatever, before a workout.   That certainly doesn't I've never noticed that for myself, but does it   help recovery   statistically   if you   eat   x amount of protein before a workout?  

What's the science say?  

[00:35:47] Juan Granados:

No. No. No. No, definitely not. But I was gonna say that 1 aspect of what you said, I think it's slightly   maybe misguided in that   Eating pre a workout or pre an activity.   For you,   the systems that you're using in your workouts   are not   really in a requirement for   any particular   eating   or nutrition specifics. Right? Because your workouts and, again, if you haven't,   had us describe heard us describe sort of Karin's workouts, you're largely doing very short burst of energy   or short burst of endurance   with very long   recovery periods.  

You're not necessarily burning a lot of calories in your workouts. That's not it's that's that's not what your workouts are optimizing for. They're long.   They're very long sessions,   and you're reaching you're reaching muscular endurance failures. That's what you're really hitting.   But that's like, you know, whether you eat or not need beforehand,   I don't think it really would affect the performance, right? If you were instead   doing   ultra marathon sprints, like   ultra marathon sprinting or something where it's like, yeah, you kind of need the fuel. Absolutely. You're gonna absolutely be be nursing a different but for your style training.   No, no way. It's kind of like it's the equivalent of saying, you know, I if I eat   a more nutritious rich meal before yoga session, am I going to have a more productive 1?  

Not really. Like, you know, that's probably gonna work. A lot of yoga food in your stomach. Disagree with you, man. There's definitely not that much science in the yoga world.  

[00:37:23] Kyrin Down:

But Right. But but the recovery aspect, that's that's the thing that's,   because that's the 1 where I wouldn't be able to know. And so I would probably be more relying on   on science saying   if, you know, if you eat protein or if you eat this before,   does it does it matter when you ingest the,   ingest the calories   and the type of calories?   Doesn't matter when that occurs during the day. And I imagine most of your recovery is done whilst sleeping.   Yeah. Like, honestly, my my knowledge of of this stuff once upon a time I knew a little bit, but I have not gone down the,   the science   optimizing   route for   for exercise and physiology and stuff like that. Not at all.  



[00:38:14] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Well, it's it gets kind of interesting for you if I really start to think about it because   different modalities. If you were   running or doing high intensity workouts,   probably part of this you did hit in that you started to blemish   glycogen levels, right? And you have you have to fill that back up with some level of carbohydrate.   The if you did so I'm just looking at different angles. If you were to consume   carbohydrates   beforehand   or nutrition for that regard,   you're only   really,   you know, you're not really satisfying anything because you wanna refill those glycogen levels while you're working out or afterwards. So   looking at at that angle from a glycogen carbohydrate,   no. You can just do it during or afterwards. That's more important than it is beforehand.  

But even then, those   are short term or, you know, you're talking over over, like, the next day. Short term,   it's like, yep, have it during or afterwards from a carbohydrate perspective. You wouldn't really bother doing it beforehand. That's just the if you'd like it or if you wanna do it, but from a recovery perspective, not really.   The other side of things is more a recovery, I think, that you're talking about from an overnight   more around the the muscular perspective   or, you know,   the even if it's a muscular, maybe ligament or   other aspects of your body. And then even then I'd say,   yeah, largely, it's gonna be a sleep that actually matters more than anything.  

If you're not having adequate amounts of,   like, nutritional   food just in, like, completeness, like, just forget before or afterwards. If you're just not eating much, kinda like what you   you would do on a extended fast over a couple of days, you're still getting   a quite sensible amount of recovery through your sleep.   Because if you're   looking toward a   bigger, bigger musculus,   bigger, bigger muscles,   it's gonna be the sleep during your,   micro test healing up. That's when you're gonna see that increase in the fibers of your muscles and the growth that come from that or the strengthening and all all the thickening   of the muscle fibers. Yes. It then leverages   the fact that you need enough protein in your body to be able to freaking do that. But your recovery is happening also during your sleep.  

There are   definitely things in nutrition that help in   performance, I guess, like, you know, you need the right amounts of   enough potassium, magnesium,   calcium, sodium, all those things to   keep your body performing. Like, you need electrolytes   to have,   like a sodium in particular in your body to have contractions and the ability to move things. But I'm in saying all of those things,   all of the things you can do during and afterwards, there's no   real   that I could think.   And maybe maybe it's out there. Maybe I'll go and look it afterwards. But I would I would be willing to put a good bet that   nutrition prior to a workout   isn't really doing anything from a recovery perspective. Awesome. Thank you. You've,  

[00:41:18] Kyrin Down:

you've saved me. That was the that was the answer I wanted to hear   because Lucas Lucas has been prompting me. He's like, dude, you gotta you gotta you gotta eat more. You gotta end, like, you gotta eat, like, even if it's just a couple eggs and a banana, you should be eating that before a workout. And for me,   I I   I would only do that if it was   good for recovery because I'm pretty sure for performance,   it doesn't   affect me 1 way or the other. It doesn't it's it's much like   caffeine.   I remember Brendan was telling me he was he was drinking these, like, caffeine shots if you've seen them before, like, the just tiny little   containers. Yes. I have. They seem to be popular in the gyms nowadays. I see them in the vending machines.  

And he gave me 1 once and he and like, you know, he he was kinda like he'd he'd get buzzed from it a half an hour later, and I'm just there going, I feel the same, man. I don't notice any difference.   It's the same when I drink soft drinks if I ever do. I don't.   I   I would maybe concede if I had a full cup of coffee   that it could   that amount perhaps could could get me to   to like go to go straight to go kind of like get buzzed or something.   But   just just from my   experiments with caffeine, I found caffeine doesn't really do much for me. Experiments in the past of eating before workouts   doesn't improve performance.  

And Luke is saying it gives you as energy as well. Humpado,   kkkkkk.   Well, Hompado,   it doesn't feel like it gives me energy. Therefore, it doesn't feel I don't feel like I'm getting a better performance. So   I've I've not noticed that and I'm backing that up with my own statistics and data. So that's that's kind of my my general approach to all this. But I would agree that I probably do need to eat just a bit more   in general, but not.   Yeah. The timing of it was   was what I was kind of interested about.  

[00:43:22] Juan Granados:

Mhmm. Yeah.   Like, yeah, prior to recovery, I don't think it'd be much too much. But from a perform I think the difference comes in the performance. So,   yeah, especially   but it's performance, but when it when it matters, right, or the modalities again, ultra running running high intensity workouts for sure, then, like, you really should be talking about   some   good nutrition when it comes in and around intra beforehand afterwards,   more for performance and doing things. But again, and it goes to to Lucas and yourself,   Handstands don't take that much energy   in the sense of   the intense muscular endurance that you're doing   over a minute, let's just say or a couple of movements.  

It isn't taking out a hell of a lot of glycogen   on the body. Yes, it is breaking down the muscle on an endurance basis.   And then once that's hits, that's that's fine. But it's 1 of those workouts. It's kind of similar to,   powerlifting,   like pure strength, powerlifting   when you're doing   really high end weight with really low reps. You're not hitting,   necessarily muscular endurance nor are you hitting, like, energy depletion. You're probably barely utilizing calories,   but what you're doing is a lot of power. Right? It's a lot of intensity.   And then that that's very, very different outputs of usage similar to like a handstand. So yeah, for you, man, honestly, I just say,   unless you're trying to get bigger, right, unless you're trying to get bigger muscles,   then you can build up muscle endurance   in the power that within   pretty much with how you are. As long as you get to feel energized enough, then that's totally fine. Yeah. So I I guess just getting on to the the actual things that I've been doing.  



[00:45:05] Kyrin Down:

So I have, as I mentioned, joined the yoga studio just to kind of force me to do a bit more stretching,   in a kind of more intense way.   I've been altering my workouts   to include some back bending and some Mexican handstands, which I just do not like, man, that   they're hard and they hurt. They hurt. They hurt in kind of a in a gross way. I don't know. Maybe the equivalent would maybe be for some people would be like a front squad or something where it's just it just feels kinda like, oh,   0, I don't like this.   In this position. I'm sure everyone's got that that 1, that 1 exercise, which they just   they they kind of avoid because it just feels   it just feels a bit weird or   or something like that.  

I have been eating more. I am at this very moment, I'm Toshio. I'm very full. I'm full of feijoada.   Lucas has given me shit in the chat. I said, I need to get stronger, and I need to get my and you need muscle to get more muscle. You need to eat. Well, man, I ate 3 plates of the feijoada today, and I'm pretty sure I only saw him eat 2. So   who's who's the big boy now? Hey.   It's this big boy over here.   So I have been doing that,  

[00:46:17] Juan Granados:

and I have And I but 1 aspect of it I was gonna say this quickly, though. I I disagree, though, as well. You don't you don't actually need bigger muscles to get bigger strength. And I think that's that's a good idea. I'd I'd agree with that. At least it's a   non it's a it seems intuitive, but it's not technically correct. Right? Because you can   you can build up what it would be more so the thickness of a muscle, the ability for it to trigger   to create power without it getting bigger. Right? So you can have you see this all the time when you see   powerlifters that are under 70 on the 75   or under 81.  

They're gonna they're way stronger than you and me will ever be, and they're   smallish,   but it's because the the type of training that they're doing is building for that.   You know, if you see me in person, yes, I can I look like I've got a lot of muscle, but I'm probably not as   strong as it could potentially be for I'd been, you know, pure powerlifting focus? And I'd also be a lot smaller. And so it also comes to the hyper training that you're doing.   Bodybuilders are not the strongest people out there, even though they are strong, obviously, muscles do give some strength, but doesn't mean they're gonna be the strongest in the world. I'd say that's a   while it seems intuitive, it's slightly it's slightly incorrect that  

[00:47:35] Kyrin Down:

more muscles means better strength for what you're trying to big boobies get in the way when he's trying to clean and jerk   All those big muscles don't help. Absolutely.   And just just add validity to what you're saying. Over the years when I was tracking   my weight and also calorie input in,   I would notice that   on on kind of like a general type of trend,   if I missed workouts in a week,   and I would eat the same no matter what. Didn't matter if I had a workout, it didn't matter if I   had a,   like, a double workout. If I missed workouts,   it would be very rare that I would change the actual calories in.  

And I never noticed any real   impact on at least my weight   from from that in terms of my metabolism   is putting on like I'm eating too many calories I'm going to store it as fat And it didn't really seem to do that. So which goes to the point that, yeah, I'm probably not burning that many calories when I'm   when I'm doing   these workouts.   And then, you know, there's the fun stuff, like when I did half marathons whilst not eating for 5 days. So   oh, man. Crazy shit.   Yeah. Do what what do you think of those times? Do you do do you kind of reflect back to that place? 1, whenever going back there,   whenever we're probably never living it together again?  

At the time, it was like   I remember it would be like because I I remember I was kinda like striving for,   definitely striving more for the podcast in terms of making that as a as like a a full thing as   getting to, like,   maybe not a Chris Williamson level, but somewhere between where we are now and where he is.   And I just, like, look around this place and I'd be like, look at this fucking shit ass place with the backyard, which has not been mowed and has the couch outside, which 1 threw out there and the the weeds growing up and the, you know, the bro like the scratched pot   pots and   do you have any fun memories of that place? What are your memories of the   I mean, there's definitely some I mean, and it was whole the whole COVID period as well. Right. So it's just it was just kind of a weird intense   place that that that places are the memories for me.  



[00:50:01] Juan Granados:

Yeah. A lot of that I   from a COVID well, I'm just remembering that that was really 1 of those,   chains of the tide moments when I did a lot of   training outdoors where I was running a lot and used to pull up bars   when gyms were closed down and stuff like that, which that was that's probably 1 of the bigger core memories I have with that particular location as well just where where I run where I go train   and just coming back and   always I mean this is this would I'm sure would have never changed but if whenever I live on my own like that it's very   I'm not gonna say stoic Spartan. We didn't do it. So yeah, spot is probably a better probably better wording with it, which is kind of similar to most people, I guess to my sorry, I can guys. Oh, yeah. The rice beans and chicken you naturally   yeah yeah exactly nice and simple nice and easy   but inversely you know that nice and simple and easy is good right? It gives you a lot of happiness because there's   so not low expectation, but there's a low level of things that can go wrong.  

As per se.   I've only just started listening to a podcast of Wim Hof with,   in the diary of a CEO, which see Bartlett.   And,   you know, he was talking about how happy he was when he was living in a squalor and living as a squatter   in comparison to a lot of the things that happened afterwards as well. So   it's   you make you make your happiness in the spaces you are and sometimes the simpler   it is the easier it is to find  

[00:51:33] Kyrin Down:

some joy and happiness and contentment maybe it's better way as you're saying this I'm looking but now get the screen. And so behind me, there's a picture on the wall and I can see that the picture is actually   coming out of its frame.   And it's it's making me, like, already go, like, this is why this is why I don't put things on my walls because they just end up disappointing me.   And I don't know if you've seen that. Whereas, yeah, you've seen that video where it's,   it's   so there's like Internet law.   The   it was   a dating site before Tinder before any of the apps, probably before the mobile phones. And I probably I think they use VHS.  

And so it would be it would be like a a black girl and that get her to say 1 line   and then say another line and then they do like an action pose or something.   And so there's this black girl and she's going she says something like   5 scores and 6, but all put together as 1. I don't need friends. They just disappoint me. And then just this, like, this karate pose.   And then that was my exact reaction   on Friday, which was the girl had disappointed me the the night before   The I went to a yoga class and it was cancelled and no 1 told me. So I was just, like, they're lonely, like, looking through the doors trying to see if anyone was in. And then Lucas was late for the session.   So I was just like, I was identifying hard with that girl going, man, I don't I don't need I don't need people. They just disappoint me.  



[00:53:07] Juan Granados:

And then Kyon strikes his fucking karate buddies.  

[00:53:11] Kyrin Down:

Jeez. Oh, very good. What have you been doing for in terms of, like, implementing things in your in your life? Have you changed any stuff in the recently?  

[00:53:21] Juan Granados:

A little bit a little bit like in some parts. No. In some parts. Yeah. There's been a lot of again, I was saying a little bit earlier in the previous conversation that   a lot of activities,   which made things busy. So that's just been   whether from a work perspective, which is life perspective,   training,   and that lots, lots, lots on.   Just 1 of the shifts I have made which has been good as been trying to trying you were trying to reduce a lot of the unnecessary things that I was finding myself still doing at the usual socials.   Probably like keeping engaged with more people that I really needed to. This is a goal I had for quite a few months ago, where it was kind of just give more time to those that actually matter as opposed to   the hundreds of others that I could potentially be giving time to. So there was that bit of a shift and change to it as well.  

But there was it was actually someone sent me this which I'd also listened to it from the podcast when it originally came out. It was like Chris, Chris Williamson,   and homozy chat. I think it was their first 1 that they ever did. 1 of the pieces Chris brought up right on now on was   like a quote and then you've heard this before or maybe something similar, right? Which is   you've already achieved the goals   that you told yourself would make you happy.   And   relistening to that again,   and going around like, who's just talking about the fucking the house that we used to live in. Right? And I think at the moment,   we have things like 8 paintings on the wall and formal paintings are just sitting there to be put up on the wall. We have all this furniture that hasn't even been built yet that we need to build.  

We have a ton load of things. Yeah, like we were having a fire last night inside of the house.   And it's all of those these little items that,   again,   probably many years ago, I would have said to myself,   you know, when I achieve those things, man, that's gonna be so good. So content Sits around the fire with the family. Looking back at my previous annual goals   looking back at previous annual goals and what I found   and again, not not all the time, but this is just where the active mind goes to and why I guess beneficial with things like walks like that   is me   and many more people are like this with this sort of mindset where I'll go, okay, you know, I've still got to think about, I wanna do this video thing next, or I wanna do this creation next.  

And you have to give yourself   almost a permission at the time to just be present and be okay with   Yeah, you know, this is this is it this is what this was the goal. So there isn't any more goals that I need to pursue further than this. Or in reality, why don't I not just enjoy it. So, you know, the big part of it now has been the reduction in quite a lot of things   to enable me to just be   once again, present and accepting of the stuff that's here now going you know what? Yeah, this is good. Like, why am I why am I even thinking about   pursuing something else for the time being or or the speed that I need to?  

So it's been the biggest thing. It's the kind of just shifting the time domain for a lot of things that I've been thinking about,   in where in the past, you know, the the usual Peter Thiel, what could you do in 6 months? That, you know, what's something you're planning for in 10 years that you could do in 6 months and how you would do it?   Sure. There's lots of ways you could do that.   And there's time and place for that. And I think it's more of a realization of, you know, I'm not in a time and place like that. Now. Now I'm in a time and place where, hey, what's the what's the thing I can do, and I can slowly progress towards it in 10 years. And that might mean I'm not doing it every day to pursue it, but it might be you know, every fortnight, okay, I'll do a little bit of this. Cool. And then every fortnight, over 10 years, you'll get there.   There's very much that the other 1 as well, which is the really, really big 1   is the   slow realization.  

And it kind of came weirdly off the back of that run where I sort of   rough rubbed my legs together and made it unable for me to go run for a week. So  

[00:57:21] Kyrin Down:

the funny thing I can really do about that apart from when you when you set this up now, I have to think, like, alright. Is this the run where he hurt his foot? Is this the run where he twisted his balls? Or is this the run where he rubbed his legs together?  

[00:57:35] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Yeah. You get a fucking running running's injuring me more than than I've, than I thought it was gonna be the case.   But 1 of the things I've been thinking about was   and now I probably will apply   is taking a little bit of a step back on the heavy pursuit that I've had for the last few years on training where, you know, I did, like,   8 week phase for powerlifting, a 12 week phase for running, a 6 week phase for gymnastics and stuff.   Obviously, still training, like, I'm not saying I'm gonna stop training for sure. No. That's never gonna happen.   But changing the   focus to   and and you know, even part of what you were saying where you're seeing   some not injuries, but soreness in your wrist and stuff.  

Putting almost a whole year of   proactive   stabilization of all of the little bits and bobs in the body that just usually don't get the love   being   and I had it written down, but I could bring it up. It's more like, you know, my forearms, my wrists, my ankles,   your quadratus   lumbar is whatever that's called your hips,   some of the rear delt muscles, just a lot of things that either buy from a week to week, I'm never gonna focus on them. Right? I'm never gonna focus   on them. And there's my chance of going, you know what? There's   this is now the time to start putting some energy towards really long term   living mobility type of   mode. And I guess I kind of described some mindset as being as a blight on kind of being just happy of where where everything is at today.  

And also starting to realize that, you know, I can pursue things at a slower pace. Now it's, I'm okay with not, you know, getting getting to whatever place first or 10th or 100th. It'd just be like, Yeah, I just want to get there eventually, while I'm enjoying the stuff that I'm doing now. So that's been the biggest, I guess,  

[00:59:19] Kyrin Down:

revelation, to be honest. Let's hear it, man.   I know that when last that you're absolutely gonna get back into   chasing something again, but   enjoy it while it lasts.  

[00:59:33] Juan Granados:

Well, and even and that's a really good point, even in that it makes me also consider   how,   how I establish as well goals moving forward, so that they're not attributed to, like, a hard line   of, I've, you know, I've got to do this or I've got to do that. Another 1 that I'll   note of the goals coming up for the next, year is is another running goal in there. I've got a running big 1. But it's He's the saddest. Yeah. Yeah. He's the saddest people.  

[01:00:00] Kyrin Down:

No. He's sorry. Masochist. Jesus.  

[01:00:05] Juan Granados:

But in in a bit of a change   in the maybe the the way that the goal pursuit is, I'm not aiming   I'm not aiming to achieve a distance. I'm not aiming to do a competition. I'm not aiming to do a race.   Instead, it's more in the pursuit. I gotta clean it up, but it's more in the pursuit of   do,   like,   go in different,   routes, go in different terrains,   do it,  

[01:00:33] Kyrin Down:

you know, do within groups, Do it with people. Oh my god. 1. 1. I can tell you what you're gonna do. The aim shift. What you're gonna do, man. I know exactly what you're gonna do. What am I gonna do? This is exactly what Tanya Hall was saying about how she trained for fucking ultra marathons, dude. You are going to do an ultra marathon a 100%.   It's it's it's it's set in stone, man. You don't have a choice anymore.   Oh, no. Oh, lord. When when you were saying that, I would just went, that is exactly what Tanya was saying.  

[01:01:05] Juan Granados:

Oh, there you go. Maybe maybe it's written it's written in the stars. It's gonna be done. It's gonna be 1 of those. But   so you know, the stuff that I was like, playing around in my mind was   not even   doing events, but just doing them on the side. So the Gold Coast marathon is on   next weekend. Yes, July marathon marathon.   And then I think the Brisbane,   the Brisbane Bridge to Brisbane, September, and then the Sydney and the Melbourne raises are like in a few weeks time or a few months time. And I was like, that would be real fun, like genuinely fun would just be   running a half marathon at the same time that this fucking like Gold Coast man was doing it like a random mountain or something   on my on my end. Not even doing it with people it's been like yep. You should do it on the streets, not to it. So you're like dodging cars and I thought that too. I I well, I thought why don't I just rock up to the event and just run? And, like, what are they gonna tell me? Like, I'm not allowed to run next to the stuff like that. Like, what the hell?  

Yeah. That'd be gangster. I'll run on the beach. I'll run a half marathon.  

[01:02:05] Kyrin Down:

So funny.   Yes. I would,   man, I would I would get a bike and chase you and with a GoPro. And  

[01:02:15] Juan Granados:

Oh, jeez. But, and I think there's there's a there's a pretty massive thing happening,   in the coming year as well, which I won't I won't talk about just now for for a little bit, but Karan Karan is aware of that and that. The bull market. That's what's coming. Let's go.   Yeah. Well, it's money. All right. It's definitely money. But it's probably not in the right some in the the right way of getting That sounds like the bull market. Big thing coming as well on that side. Ball in on, like, the Husky equivalent of, I don't know, the Avax chain or something. So he's he's doomed.   Yeah.  

Well, or it could go the other way and then, you know, it's gonna be it's gonna be wild. I'll be sending I'll send the boost to gram of, like, they'll they'll be they'll be,   people will see. I'll I'll send the boost to gram or something for, like, a 2, 000, 000 sats boost to gram. People be like, what the hell's going on?   Yeah. Yeah, that that's that's that's primarily, I guess, the the thoughts that's   swirling around my mind at the moment. But, yeah, look, over the next couple of weeks, you'll see the annual goals conversation that we'll have. So look, next week, as Karen was stating,   I'm going to be putting out solo episode. It'll be a monthly summary again,   kind of similar to have that previously   which will be fun honestly I enjoyed recording and listening   we'll probably catch up in the following   following week after that.  

And we'll probably you'll probably see a honestly that was probably going to be a good 1 for just to catch up on what you've been doing. And then I could probably talk through my annual goals to be honest because that'll be that'll bring us to mid July. Close. I mean So it might be nice too. You could maybe even do a solo episode of just your goals if you if you felt like it   because that yeah. That's true. That's a good point.  

[01:03:58] Kyrin Down:

I won't be here on the 21st   because I think that I'll be in Rio.   I mean, I could maybe,  

[01:04:05] Juan Granados:

let me know. Oh, perfect. We'll see. We'll see. No. No. No. I think that that yeah. No. But that that that that might be good. But yeah, in any case, look, we're still gonna be putting out   weekly content on the main channel here.   So whether it'll be a solo episode for myself or the combined conversations that myself and Karen are having, absolutely, we're gonna be doing that.   Just starting to wrap up this this session as well. Once again,   we are a valley for valley enabled   show podcast,   content creators.   In any case, it is an ability for you immortalize at home, the sensory time talent treasure time, you can   really contribute by listening to podcasts, sharing it with people   clipping it if that's your thing,   talent, anything that we've been talking about, any ideas, if you have more precise thoughts about   pre workout nutrition when it comes to recovery,   Get that shit out of here. I I don't even I don't even need beforehand, man. I don't even need beforehand. I don't I normally wake up in 4 in the morning. I don't Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anything. So I will tell you for performance   for performance,   maybe I'll have a banana if I'm really hungry. But even if I'm hungry, dude, I'll just go try. And   what is more of an important thing to me is intra workout and post workout. I like food. That's that's more important.  

And and even in saying that, it's not that important that I've been like, you're not as important.   I haven't put as much importance in that as I have in the many years beforehand. Now it's more intro workout's really important, and by that, I mean, like, the glycogen levels. So sugars, really, maltodextrin for me,   Because usually my training session, I might do 40 minutes of   weights, let's just say, by the end of that, I'll have used up quite a bit of high intensity energy, there's there's some depletion going on there. And maybe I want to do a 2 ks run or a 3 k run afterwards.   Usually, I want to have some sugars in there before that run just to feel good. Otherwise, yeah, I'll start feel pretty pretty shit.  



[01:06:00] Kyrin Down:

This is Jack. Yeah. Let let us know if you have a There's a Jack PGM. I believe that's his name. Right? 1,   it's a YouTube channel. I I watched 1 of his videos today because it's a joint channel that Juan and I, and I think Juan watches them more than I do. And   he had this chart of the, you know, it's the the standard bell curve And, like, on the very left hand side, the dumb person is the the new gym person coming in. And they're like, oh, training is good. And it's and it's like, you know, they're   they're they're accurate in what they are trying to do because, yes, training is good. And for them from   0 sessions a week to 1 section a week is gonna massively give them huge performance.  

And then on the very right hand side of the curve is like these mass monsters   who are like, training is good. And they just train   so much and just try and eat as much as they can. And that's all they think about. And then in the middle of the chart is like the intermediate   intellectual gym bro who's who's like, you know, figuring out these curves of optimal training time,   how many reps per set to get max per and they're, like, doing all these calculations and shit. And it's like, dude, you're overthinking it, man. Like, just just fucking train.  

[01:07:12] Juan Granados:

Absolutely.   That's that's the that's a progression, man. That's a progression in almost all   all things. It's Well, I think I'm stuck at that. I think the back. I  

[01:07:23] Kyrin Down:

don't think I'm gonna skip to the mass monster eating stage. But nor am I gonna progress up the curve to the   overlay overly and, intellectualizing   training either. I'm I'm just stuck in the beginner.  

[01:07:37] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Honestly, I'd probably extend that 1 1 leg further and say the beginners like that. Oh,   you know, whatever. Just train doing groups. Intermediate   is, yeah, where you're trying to do all the graphs and charts and optimizations   and element and food.   The advanced is just do a fun do as much as possible just work out hard.   But and again, there's no modalities I think that there's like the next level beyond that beyond the advanced   that very few people even want to go to and it's I guess master or world class   and then you go back up to like a high point and then everything's precise. Everything's   full optimization for going from 99.9%   to 99.98%.  

That that sounds fair. Right? Tiny little things that you do for improvement.   And it absolutely I'm telling you right now, it's absolutely   not what I want to do with any of my modalities moving forward. Like, I don't wanna get to that level. So I'd be happy to be just a little bit beyond the intermediate. So I'm not, you know, obsessing over the details.   But getting to the point of like, yeah, whatever. Just do it and just try well and do it in good good form and stuff like that.   Yes. Anyways, I That's that's all. That's talent portion obviously for you. If you've got good memes, then if you've got good memes, send us through.   Exactly. And the last 1, treasure. So as we talked about and called out of the boost of ground lounge, you can support us by sending us through some boostograms, study satoshis, and you can attach a comment to it as well you can be streaming in at the same time you can use the PayPal link of course we do prefer users and through some Instagram to this or what's your stream, that's what really we prefer.  

We see that being a future way of being supported in the podcast platforms.   And look, it might even be worth us doing a bit of a   re   re comp, maybe after V con actually, after you go to v con car and I think it'll be worth touching base on the on the valley for valley. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna meet Dave and Talk to people or see what they're saying. Yeah.   Yeah. I know there's  

[01:09:33] Kyrin Down:

there's there's discussions right now about,   I don't think if it's about lightning, but it's maybe about how the way lightning is used because   lightning, for those who don't know, is the kind of underlying   basis of of how how you can send money back. And. Yeah.   And it's   it's just like the core infrastructure   of lightning channels and things like that. Maybe it's not the best way to go and and   there might be other   similar basically trying to do the same concept but in a   technically a better way or an easier way for people. So,   I think I think there's just some some changes coming for I think the core concepts are still   exactly the same. I still think value for value is   content creators are like dying and needing this stuff, man. That that they're getting hammered in all all fronts.  

I still see just   absurd behavior just trying to monetize their products because they they just don't have any   good alternatives.   So I think I think the whole system is   the philosophical   system. It's the implementation   into reality is the the tricky 1. But, yeah, an update on that. For the moment, go to mere mortals podcast.com/support.   And that's that'll give you a bit of a intro guide on on what we're talking about.  

[01:10:55] Juan Granados:

Absolutely.   Let's leave it there. Thank you very much, and more or less for sticking around for this big goal thank you lucas and call   reach out to all   yep reach out to all the various ways that you can unless you're going to tell me that's misinformation   then fuck yeah go away no I'm kidding feel free to zone 3 we'll we'll confirm and check your seat I'll check it with ai definitely we're always here happy to learn  

[01:11:17] Kyrin Down:

Yeah.  

[01:11:19] Juan Granados:

Good stuff. All right. Thank you very much, everybody. Take care. Immortal lights. Bye bye  

[01:11:23] Kyrin Down:

bye bye.