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If I keep going down the rabbit hole will it pay off?

In Episode #401 of 'Musings', Juan & I discuss: learnings from watching Peter Attia & Andrew Huberman, changing my mind on why I dislike recent science, Juan's smackdown of the WHO, rules of thumb I created for when to stop, how to use the Pareto principle effectively and a curious teaser for the next episode.

Massive thanks to Iluvsushi, Dave Jones, Eselsea, Bitcoin Dad, Petar, McIntosh. Special shoutout to Cole McCormick from the 'America+' podcast for the absolute baller boost!

Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(0:33) - Cleaning up the start
(3:31) - Why I chose this topic
(6:53) - Recent research vs popularity
(14:19) - Juan got triggered by coke/cancer link
(23:30) - Bryan Johnson: Too deep down the hole
(32:23) - Boostagram Lounge
(48:42) - General: Utility & fun
(57:57) - Researching something broad
(1:05:25) - Summary
(1:10:38) - V4V: Ads trigger me!


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We all care Mere Mortals. Welcome
Mere Mortals to another episode

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of The Mere Mortals Musings.
This is an episode

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where myself, Kyrin and. Juan.
Juan on the other side

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where we get together
and we pick a

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particular topic and
we dive deeper into it.

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I wouldn't
actually start saying so.

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You know, there's now
episode 401. We've crossed into.

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What we've been saying to date.
Yeah, we'll say the date.

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Yeah, I forgot about that
the 19th of July. 2023.

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And if you listen to the previous
episode, episode 400,

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it was kind of, you know,
we had a big discussion

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about the future,
what's going to happen,

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video, audio. So right now
is the future. Now is the future.

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And one of the things I want
to try and get better at

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and you also mentioned
this is, you know,

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nailing that value
for value pitch

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right at the end, getting
that nice and good.

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That's going to take work.
But I think it's also good

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to kind of like reaffirm
what the main podcast

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is, the show.
So I'm actually even going

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to probably change up the summary
that you'll see in our

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show level on audio
and things like that.

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And I thought,
you know, what's one thing

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that we've been doing?
We've talked about it

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at some times,
and what these meanderings

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and mostly musings
nowadays are really good at is

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we pick a topic
that can kind of seem

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philosophical or esoteric,
but we have plenty

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of examples of real life
applications of this.

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So this is kind of
the effective philosophy

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that we've talked about.
So it's kind of

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it's philosophical,
but also with tinges of

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a strong self-development
bent to it.

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So I think I think I'll
start trying to introduce

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the show a little bit
more like that in the future

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and put that emphasis
on it's philosophical.

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So it's got some deep thoughts
and things like that.

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But we talk a lot about how
you can actually use this

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for some takeaways.
We've got the summary,

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we've got the definition,
we've got those sorts of

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things. Yeah, I like that.
I had the experience

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that I have actually
telling a couple of people

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who are up in Brisbane today
from a few areas around Australia

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in the office and we're talking
about the podcast. And similarly

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they asked me the, you know,
the general question, you know,

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what is a podcast about?
And once again, I got drawn

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by default of saying, Look,
we kind of philosophise

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about things and about topics
in a very more

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and more like common
practical methodology.

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So yeah, I can definitely
agree with that. That's

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what's cool about what
rolled off the tongue

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for me rather than
thinking of anything else.

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I think
if we can even more tie it

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to a value value pitch
or part of it as well in terms of

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we do the podcast
and we're supported or we support

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a value 4 value model
that people send us

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through monetary
support by way of. Yeah, well,

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you know,
I think it kind of helps

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out to say what's our, you know,
what's the value

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that we're giving, what's element
and how are people going

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to give us stuff back? Yeah,
I don't know

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if that's as necessary
because I'll along

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a strong portion of the value.
The value is you

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provide it upfront. So you,
you need to have a good show

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right at the start anyway.
You need to have something

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that is really valuable
that people

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want to listen to anyway.
Otherwise

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you just getting all value
for value portion,

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that's not that important.
So I think it's is tied in.

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But yeah,
definitely should probably

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be more at the end section
because it's

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is the upfront value. Mm. Now now
you can return it to us. Okay.

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So today's topic, I
had a couple of ideas for this.

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I can't remember
exactly what I called it

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on YouTube, but or something like
the research threshold or,

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you know, finding all that.
Is it possible to. Over research,

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finding the best point to
stop your investigations?

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So what really triggered
this for me was once again

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trying to make it
so that each musing

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somewhat leads into the next one.
So I think that's also

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a nice way to kind of keep
the show linkages going,

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which I think is one of
the strong points of this.

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And so in the last one, we're
talking about experts

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and we're talking about,
you know, how do you find out

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which is one
you should listen to,

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should you be sceptical of
of them and whatnot? We've done

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it. We've solved it.
So now you're on to the point

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where we've got our expert
and where, you know,

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maybe a slight bit of scepticism,
but we're generally like, okay,

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these people know
a lot more than I do

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and I can kind of trust
the information

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coming out for them.
So when do you start going

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down the rabbit hole?
That's the next question. That's

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what we're going to kind
of try and find out today.

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So what spurred this
in particular for me was I had

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some recent observations
listening to Peter to

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to Andrew Huberman.
And, you know, a

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guy called Brian Johnson.
The guy who's spending

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$2 million per year
to be the youngest A IT. PD Yes.

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Peter Mm No epigenetics to reduce
his epigenetic age.

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Something like.
DNA. Brian Okay. Cool.

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I thought you probably.
I'm taking his sons blood

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and injecting them to himself.
Yeah, we'll talk about that.

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That's I'm pretty sure you only
did that as a one off.

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You did either one of the two.
He's now doing it with babies.

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It's going to sound like
he's an absolute crazy person.

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So I think I think
that's kind of unfair to

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to do that. But yeah, we'll
we'll get into that.

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Did you have anywhere
that you wanted to start?

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Otherwise, I'll get into.
Something about Ian's

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good. Point. Okay.
So the other thing

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that kind of triggered me
for this was and I wasn't able

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to explain it correctly,
why I don't actually

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really enjoy listening to recent
and most up to date science and

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research in this quality.
So we'll cover research

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just in general, sort of research
about history or research

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about any topic, finance,
whatever it is.

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But I've noticed a lot of
these science ones

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I tend to draw away
from and I'm trying

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to figure it out, like,
why am I doing this?

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What exactly is it?
So when I was listening to

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Peter to interview women
in particular,

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they themselves admitted
they kind of wasted a lot of time

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on suboptimal theories.
So they spent a whole lot of

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time on things that actually,
at the end of the day, didn't

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really matter that much.
In particular, Peter

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Attia was saying this
with regards to nutrition.

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He used to think that was
the be all and end all.

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That was where you get
the biggest bang for your buck.

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That's kind of where it all stems
from your health, longevity,

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all of it is kind
of linked to nutrition.

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And that's the thing
that you've got to get

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absolutely nailed down. And by
the sounds of it, he

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it sounded like he thought,
yeah, I spent a bit

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too much time on that
and I went too deep

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and I got kind of too
stuck in to the weeds.

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Yeah, Yeah. And so.
I. Won't repeat my

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my sperm wars example,
which is where I read this book.

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And basically a lot of
it was recent science

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which turned out to be false
or at the very best kind of iffy.

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And I was just thinking
in this particular regard,

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when it comes to science,
I think there's something

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about time curing this.
If it's recent research,

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if it's stuff
that's just coming out,

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it would just figuring it out.
It feels to me like it's

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one of those ones.
It's an iffy statement,

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but time is the one that
sorts all of this out.

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We just wait ten years, 15 years,
we'll have a better idea.

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Of if it's something worth
considering or not. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, look, again,
I'm going to lay it out for us.

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So here's one.
Just for example, Andrew

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Huberman talks about
sunlight in the mornings.

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Got to get it in the first
15 minutes, something like that.

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That's a recent thing
I've heard of.

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I haven't heard of that being a
I don't remember hearing

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that five, ten years ago. What is
and I'm so I'm assuming

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this is more recent data
that he's using

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as the basis for this. Um, how,
how applicable will that

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sort of example be in 510
years time as in terms

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of the importance scale.
So I've had him mentioned

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a bunch of times, but not an even
listen to it in that much. Yeah.

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I mean, sorry, taking a step back
because we can get into the weeds

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very similar
on this on this front.

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So I think you're talking
a lot of scientific stuff,

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but I think this can apply
more broadly because it

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is it possible to over
research to go too deep.

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And this is going to be
scientific. This could be.

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I've got a general section on.
A whole general

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aspect of it, but I think.
I did want to focus

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on the recent scientific.
One. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah.

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So I think so
talking about it from a you know,

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we just went on a big part
there at the beginning

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about philosophy of loss,
finding a practical,

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but from a philosophy
or definition of it,

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what is the reason that you go
down to research

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something, right? So if you
are listening to someone

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like Andrew Huberman
on the podcast

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or Pete or T on the drive
or wherever you want

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to consume your
latest scientific research

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from news articles or something,
you're even doing it

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for, I'm assuming, an outcome
or practical basis

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in terms of let's just say
you're overweight

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and you want to know
what are the extra need

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to take to do something.
Usually has a strong utility.

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Yeah, utility.
You know, it's less

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probably apparent, I would say
for most humans, mere

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mortals just do it for,
you know, just a learning

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perspective. Although, you know,
I feel I probably fall

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in the camp where I will
over saturate myself with

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the information for fun.
I like knowing about it,

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even if it isn't practical.
So that goes even beyond

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the applicability
of the information

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that I'm observing
before the using it

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and applying it. It's, you know,
you probably don't

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have to go that far.
Now in saying that

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with that exact
example about human

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it I guess he's popularised
or at least made it

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more apparent and easily
consumable about the way

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you should be getting
sunlight in the morning

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and is it recent though?
I don't call that out.

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That is probably
because I've heard of the

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you know, the way I use it.
I'm talking like in high school,

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maybe even younger around people
getting the glasses on in

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the blue light
block is during the day

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and wearing it for Night-Time.
And I remember reading into

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that's why I don't have
try to get too much

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Blue Light at Night-Time
so you can sleep

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better around the light.
But I remember at the time,

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even people talking
about it in articles or just

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in conversation
that either make sure

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you don't wear blue
light blocking glasses

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during the day
because you need blue light

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during the day for x and Y
and whatever else.

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So, you know, that's
a good 1015 years ago.

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I must assume that
probably even older

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than that, the research
or the information, it would it

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wouldn't sound to me like,
I think to see different things.

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I think the information,
if we looked into it

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now, we're not looking
at it right now any more lights.

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So maybe we are wrong,
but it's probably older than what

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we imagine it to be.
I think it just is becoming

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more popular, ized
in the apparent day and age.

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There's someone
giving it a very hardcore

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lens into, Hey,
this is of importance.

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You're kind of suggesting
that maybe it might not be that,

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but it might be something else
that an Andrew,

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another scientific
who's in the popular media

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might be trying something and go
five years ago, be like,

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Oh, actually, yes,
it is important, but it's like

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it's comparable to not keeping
the phone in your pocket.

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Maybe it's something
to that effect, right?

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So it's like, Oh, okay, maybe
it wasn't that important

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to be talking about it
all that much. And so I agree

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there could be
that potential for it,

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but that can also
be the case for things

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that have talked to time
immemorial might also be

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correct in the statement
that were made.

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Let's put an example
of something I'm trying

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to think of, something I might
just make something up.

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Let's say 200 years ago
someone wrote and said,

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Hey, eating beans and legumes
and whatever else

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is really good for you.
And so the tennis

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test of time, it's like,
you might read it. See,

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it's on the 1800s. You're like,
Oh, freakin fantastic.

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This is awesome.
I know that and depends

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where you read it.
Davidson, Clay, a few others

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that literally depends
where you read this

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at the moment.
Some will say avoid

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legumes, avoid being soy,
never eat it. It's really bad for

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big. Lots of reasons. Okay,
go read another book

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or another article and
to us, legumes of beans.

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Fantastic. For all these reasons.
Now, if you look back on

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the 200 years ago and say,
well, it's this, all of a sudden

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you've got all this new research
that some suggest is

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but I'm still suggesting
that's good. Now do you then go

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well ship that one
from 200 years ago? Well,

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that was just
a load of trash so I may

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and maybe it is because
of the new research.

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So if you're suggesting
that maybe some things

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that have been time immemorial,
but then they change to

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then with that guy. Okay, well,
that information doesn't

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hold true anymore.
I think you made

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a good point there,
which is the popularity aspect.

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I didn't really thought
of that before. And maybe this is

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the problem that I
have with these sorts of,

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I guess like experts
or the data or science

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and it might not be
that they're relying

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on the recency of some
of the scientific studies.

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And that and those that I find
I find kind of questionable,

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much like the Sperm Wars
book was very much about

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looking into sperm.
And that was probably, you know,

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they weren't doing that
100 years ago for sure,

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because those baby
microscopes back then.

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So maybe it is it's
just because it's popular.

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And you see this particularly
with I'm glad

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you mentioned the legumes,
because the nutrition one

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is ridiculous for this,
the food pyramid.

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And then there's, you know,
eggs are bad for you.

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Now they're good for you again.
But the cholesterol

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they've got is good.
Now, that sounds good now. Yeah.

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Yeah. And it's just
this kind of flip flopping

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all over the shop.
You can't get your head

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around it. And I get it.
You know, the human body

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is a very complex thing.
And trying to find

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averages amongst 500 people,
let alone, you know,

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50 million or whatever,
is a fool's errand. You're not

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going to be able to give advice
for a broad

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swath of people like that.
You know, at the moment,

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I think sugar is under
attack in ten years time.

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But let's see where that
is. Maybe it's not a good.

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You know,
carnival is popular now.

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Maybe it'll be meat in ten years
time in the firing.

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Well, and here comes
another point. And was a good

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there was a good thing
that happened that I was glad

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that I found out.
So again, it's impossible

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to overindulge.
I'll give you an example again

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scientific of something where,
you know, at the fake

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it has different layers to it.
And I stopped

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at a particular layer
and being happy, I guess

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it's the to what do you get
whether it's scientific

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otherwise but
he's scientific example

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did you hear on the weekend
me in kind of a mate's box

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about the conversation of
hey did you see that

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they've linked Coke or Diet
Coke to cancer or being a cancer

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right to the gods
are talking about it.

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One of them said,
Oh, did you see that?

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This is linkage.
The other guy said,

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they've been trying to
make the claim. So 1940s. Okay.

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Straight away I was like, okay,
I haven't really looked into it

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much either.
They're talking about it.

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Maybe people at home
have listened to these.

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I've had this,
I've seen them needles.

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There's all social media
posts a few days ago right.

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And it, it incense me.
I went, Oh no, I,

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I must be getting older. This is
you know what? I'm young.

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When you're young, you
see something, whatever.

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You let it just fly through you.
This is one of those

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where I was like, I need to act.
I need to do so. Many

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tell people this is wrong.
And I actually made a post

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and then I deleted it
like a minute later,

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only a couple, obviously.
But if you saw it. Wow.

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Well, doctor was there
for like seconds,

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but people had seen it.
I was like,

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now this particular post,
it was from

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I think it was puberty.
I think the name is

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I'm going to get
some of these names wrong.

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I'm not going to get
the exact right. That's fine,

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because it does show the research
that you need to do.

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And the Post in particular
said a Diet Coke

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linked by the WHO to being
a carcinogen carcinogen

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or having carcinogenic
properties. Yeah.

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Now it specifically
was talking about the

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as part of me Spider-Man.
I think that's

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how you pronounce it.
I know that's part of my ISP.

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How do you pronounce that now?
I kind of heard about it now.

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I heard, you know, people
talking about it the line.

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And I went, okay, here it is.
And a post social media post.

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And then the comments,
as you would expect.

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Well, I knew about it.
You guys are chilling as well.

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And I went. That's
this shit. And I went.

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And this infuriated me
a little because I went,

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This is a pretty,
pretty broad stroke now.

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And Cokes been around
for a long time.

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It wasn't all of a sudden come up
and I had in the back

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of my mind I went,
I've heard this before,

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I've heard something.
So then I go into my

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little research, you know,
and there's again,

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it's just quick Google give me a
couple of examples. You know, I'm

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going down to some super
hot literature, But I did.

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And this I guess
my first part assigned

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to look how deep you go,
go to establish those sources

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which can be at least trusted.
We talked about the expertise.

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So while I looked
at a couple of articles,

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I pulled up one from nature.
Now I'm going to go.

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I'll trust nature.
They're pretty self, you know,

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from a lot of other ways.
They seem to be reputable.

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They're a good journal.
One of them I looked through

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and in particular
and I should, you know, like I'll

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it'd be good if I could find
I hope I didn't delete the image,

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but I bet you I did. Regardless
I could probably find it

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if if if it was the case
badly, but that's fine.

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But it specifically stated.
Actually,

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this is important enough
that I'm going to actually

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find it from nature.
So I'll, I'll pull it up

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as I'm finding it through.
There's a positive thing

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that I do, though I
try and describe this means

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that I was saying try and tell
someone about it, then I might

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I'll pull it up.
I'd research this recently

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and then sure enough,
I didn't save it or I didn't

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link it in this particular way
and did this exactly last night

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with this kind of thing
that I wanted to show my brother.

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This absolutely not
a chance of finding that. Okay.

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So I think I
think I found the details.

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They said. The World Health
Organisation's

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international Research Agency
on Cancer announced Thursday

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that the artificial
sweetener aspartame

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commonly found in Diet
Coke and other sugar free foods

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is a possible carcinogen.
Now it's it

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now, as you looked into
the first line of the Post

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said it got linked to
this one so as possible.

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So I was like, hey, that's
that's different, right?

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This is different things.
And so the one

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then I found I'll see
if I can read this one.

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So I found this another one
because I'm not trying to

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specifically show is I went down
to find the exact statement

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that the WHO made about
this particular thing.

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Now I don't think
I'm going to bring it up,

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so whatever. But in the detail
it actually stated

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by who themselves that
what we mean

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is like, what we mean by
this is actually

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that there's more research
that needs to be done

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because in in mice
we saw potential of a link

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and it's like
they specifically state

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we can actually say that
if there's a linkage there just

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there's a potential
and we suggest that

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there should be more
studies done on humans to

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actually prove anything.
Right? So you got click.

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So it was looking like again,
right, you're trying

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to put out a statement.
We know this like media

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is trying to incite people
to like something or the fear

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or the greed, whatever
maybe may be. It's the clicks

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when you just go a slight
lay down, you go, okay,

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let's actually notice
that if you look into the detail,

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that's a little bit different.
And in terms of

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how much of your research
into something oh, by the way,

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in that particular
article, Little said

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the the labelling
that they've assessed for

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Diet Coke
puts it in the same level

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of carcinogenic as meats,
detergent, products,

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fragrances and like flour
or something else.

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So yeah, in my mind
and alcohol's at a high

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level for a carcinogen,
so I don't. Know.

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Why you're complaining
about there's nothing like,

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you know, if,
if you're getting like

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real up and up
and in with a Diet Coke

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man, you're
eating plenty of meat.

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Why not cool it out again?
But, you know,

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and that like inside of me
and you points about this,

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what the hell?
So but I'll post to

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like a picture of the like
I repeated

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the story that they had
and then I posted the

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like a screenshot
of the article from Nature

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being like
them, saying completely

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the opposite was that you
probably look into this

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like into the details. How funny.
I actually tagged

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the memo to the podcast,
but they're not deleted.

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Or in any case
I was like this perfect

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thing to write about because I go
in all scientific things.

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He some new data
and new information

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is being posted out, maybe,
you know, referencing

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some all of that in
my little Google. There.

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I then found a 2005 post
article from Nature about

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rats in this part of me.
So you know,

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it might be referencing
and all the stuff

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but again, it's to me
in terms of deciding

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the difference between how
am I going

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to act on this information
all of a sudden and never

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drink coke again?
Not particularly after like

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then looking at that level
of detail and go, Well,

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if I was to do that rationally
based on that info

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that I just saw there,
that would be

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the equivalent of saying, Well,
if I'm not going to do

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that, almost never going
to drink alcohol, eat me

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and use the total perks. Okay,
So like that would have

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to be the same rationale.
So I went, okay, perhaps

446
00:20:55,461 --> 00:20:58,214
I'm going to drastically
change my mind. However,

447
00:20:58,214 --> 00:21:02,885
if I'd gone to that sort of level
and then there's

448
00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:05,012
some really clear signs
or people who I trust,

449
00:21:02,885 --> 00:21:08,767
like a Huberman or Peter Adler
name here, a scientist

450
00:21:06,056 --> 00:21:10,184
that you really trust,
and they're maybe supporting it

451
00:21:10,184 --> 00:21:12,604
without any financial backing.
Then I'll go, okay, cool.

452
00:21:12,604 --> 00:21:14,772
I need to kind of go
a few more layers down

453
00:21:14,772 --> 00:21:17,192
to really demonstrate
that I need to change my

454
00:21:17,192 --> 00:21:21,363
my current practices.
So that's a good example

455
00:21:18,859 --> 00:21:22,823
that I was like, Oh man,
that infuriated me, but I'll go

456
00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:26,785
I'll talk about it in this Data
and information podcast and nice.

457
00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:30,579
What I have noticed from my
own kind of adventures

458
00:21:28,202 --> 00:21:33,165
in neuroscience and testosterone,
for example. So these were two,

459
00:21:33,165 --> 00:21:36,252
two kind of areas I'd
dive down into in the past

460
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:39,256
and in particular
the testosterone one.

461
00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:41,424
So neuroscience,
that was kind of the same

462
00:21:41,424 --> 00:21:44,720
Harris type deal.
And testosterone was

463
00:21:45,971 --> 00:21:48,890
I was looking, okay,
you get my test jacked up.

464
00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:51,643
I want to get. Get some time.
Yeah, yeah. Good.

465
00:21:51,643 --> 00:21:56,022
That's your folks, too.
I wanted some already.

466
00:21:56,022 --> 00:21:59,192
I want it flowing through
my veins and pumping.

467
00:21:59,567 --> 00:22:04,280
So I did all this research.
I went down this place.

468
00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:07,826
I still have the.
The document I created on

469
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:10,578
my on my computer. And it had
a ridiculous level

470
00:22:10,578 --> 00:22:13,664
of things like, you know,
you can have a polyunsaturated

471
00:22:13,664 --> 00:22:16,375
but not mono saturated fats.
You can have

472
00:22:16,375 --> 00:22:19,378
these types of oils, but
avoid these types of oils.

473
00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:25,176
You know, you don't want to touch
the EPA on receipt. So for ages

474
00:22:22,923 --> 00:22:27,846
I was getting my mom every time
someone handed me a receipt

475
00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:29,221
and I was with my mom,
I would make her pick it up.

476
00:22:29,221 --> 00:22:33,352
And using your mom's
testosterone. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry.

477
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,436
But that's the reason why she's
not jacked at the moment.

478
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,356
All this
sort of stuff like it was.

479
00:22:38,356 --> 00:22:42,361
It was to the point where even
my brother was like, Why?

480
00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:45,154
Why are you getting me
to pick up this receipt?

481
00:22:45,154 --> 00:22:48,157
And I'm like,
I don't want to touch it.

482
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,828
And so I look at that and I
go, Wow, did

483
00:22:50,285 --> 00:22:53,663
I go way too far in that?
Because I don't think it made

484
00:22:53,663 --> 00:22:57,125
a difference in the end.
And if it did,

485
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:58,919
those actions were minor.
Now, once again, counterfactual.

486
00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:03,423
Did it actually, while I wasn't
measuring my testosterone

487
00:23:00,336 --> 00:23:04,840
on a day by day basis
or even on a year by year basis.

488
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,178
So I don't know. I'm going
based on feel here

489
00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:10,721
and this was one
where I can kind of say like,

490
00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:15,434
okay, I feel like I went down
the rabbit hole a little

491
00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:18,521
bit too deep on this one.
And once again, a lot of this

492
00:23:18,521 --> 00:23:22,358
was the recency type
or popularity type thing.

493
00:23:22,358 --> 00:23:24,819
So I think a lot of these
that's probably

494
00:23:23,777 --> 00:23:26,904
the best way to put
it is the popularity type ones.

495
00:23:26,904 --> 00:23:33,161
And so looking now, you know,
I kind of investigated

496
00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:35,247
Brian Johnson a month ago.
For some reason it was

497
00:23:33,161 --> 00:23:36,914
popped up in a minute. Yeah,
it's an interesting story.

498
00:23:36,914 --> 00:23:42,796
Watched half a podcast
episode with him I think I'm Bill

499
00:23:39,792 --> 00:23:44,381
you just watched a just a
like a day in the life

500
00:23:44,381 --> 00:23:47,509
vlog type thing And I went
men does this all.

501
00:23:48,009 --> 00:23:49,094
I'm going to say
there's not a lot of you

502
00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:53,140
on a live and that. Is, you know,
the complete opposite of

503
00:23:53,306 --> 00:23:57,144
kind of my mentality and just for
those who don't know.

504
00:23:57,144 --> 00:24:01,690
So this guy, Brian Johnson,
is trying to make himself

505
00:23:59,019 --> 00:24:04,276
as young as possible.
I believe he's

506
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:07,653
in his forties or fifties
and he's had a biotech

507
00:24:04,276 --> 00:24:08,654
company, sold it
for a bunch of money,

508
00:24:08,654 --> 00:24:11,657
and now he's using
a lot of that money to

509
00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:15,202
do all of this
like ridiculous research

510
00:24:15,202 --> 00:24:19,415
on, you know, diodes in his hair
to make his hair grow.

511
00:24:19,665 --> 00:24:21,417
So many things.
It's simply taking, you know,

512
00:24:21,417 --> 00:24:26,213
hundreds of vitamin pills a day.
Sleep has to sleep at this exact

513
00:24:26,213 --> 00:24:27,883
I think he's
got it down to the exact

514
00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:30,426
minute that he needs to be
in his bed, in his,

515
00:24:30,426 --> 00:24:33,262
you know, temperature,
climate controlled room.

516
00:24:33,262 --> 00:24:37,183
This is too disciplined.
This is a lot of discipline

517
00:24:35,097 --> 00:24:39,310
that kudos to the dude.
And from what I gather, you know,

518
00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:43,440
if this is how he gets joy
in life, like fantastic, awesome.

519
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,359
I'm glad it's not me,
but because that because

520
00:24:46,317 --> 00:24:51,405
it seems so tedious.
But if he's getting

521
00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:53,616
enjoyment, that's awesome.
The I suppose the

522
00:24:51,448 --> 00:24:56,661
the aspect for me though, was
when I was looking at it,

523
00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:58,288
my where the hell is this
guy getting all of this data?

524
00:24:58,288 --> 00:25:00,999
Like, where is
where is he finding out

525
00:24:59,205 --> 00:25:02,834
all of these things?
How is he passing out

526
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:06,212
which one of these hundred
different things that he's doing

527
00:25:06,212 --> 00:25:10,424
is actually making a difference?
And once again,

528
00:25:10,424 --> 00:25:12,760
we talked about this once
before on the kind of

529
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,432
epigenetic age.
And a lot of the people,

530
00:25:14,804 --> 00:25:22,269
from my view, it seems to be like
they're the ones who are creating

531
00:25:22,311 --> 00:25:25,815
the the metrics
that indicate that.

532
00:25:25,856 --> 00:25:30,194
What the epigenetic age is.
Yeah, because when I look

533
00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:33,280
at the dude, I'm like,
you kind of look like

534
00:25:30,278 --> 00:25:37,243
you've had a bit of Botox
and you're kind of look

535
00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:38,827
pale and you get an X.
I'm guessing he's

536
00:25:37,243 --> 00:25:39,703
not getting that much sun
because I think in

537
00:25:39,703 --> 00:25:41,413
his protocol, sun
is not that good for you.

538
00:25:41,413 --> 00:25:46,001
Maybe, or. I don't know, I know
he was very, very pale.

539
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:50,048
Very pale, dude. So I think
just getting to the kind

540
00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:52,800
of core of this recency or I.
Actually think as well

541
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,720
he has like a group of doctors
who run through all that

542
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,973
data 100%. Tell him, like, I'll
do this, don't do that.

543
00:25:58,973 --> 00:26:02,477
Yeah, yeah. So this is a probably
a perfect example for him

544
00:26:02,477 --> 00:26:04,770
because he can find out
when he's gone to this.

545
00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:07,898
This podcast is a perfect
example. Well, I think

546
00:26:07,898 --> 00:26:10,693
his run rate is like
$2 million per year

547
00:26:10,693 --> 00:26:14,196
spending on all the things
that he does, which,

548
00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:16,449
you know, again,
not not only mere mortals

549
00:26:14,196 --> 00:26:18,367
going to be just having.
Valuable value, send

550
00:26:16,449 --> 00:26:20,869
that straight through you. Yeah.
So it will give you more

551
00:26:18,993 --> 00:26:24,374
value back. So I think with me
it was is kind of probably

552
00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:27,751
and this is maybe deviating
slightly from the research

553
00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:29,753
and going too
deep down the rabbit hole is

554
00:26:29,753 --> 00:26:32,132
when you go into that
length, when you're

555
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:35,719
you, you know, when you're trying
to focus on 50

556
00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:36,970
different things and
the sunlight, this thing,

557
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:39,431
this thing, this thing,
this thing, I think it's missing

558
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:41,766
what I typically tend
to look for, which is

559
00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:44,477
the kind of rules of thumb
which will give you

560
00:26:44,477 --> 00:26:47,646
the biggest bang for your buck.
Absolutely. Sort

561
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:54,153
of getting back to the
chaos theory from the

562
00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:56,280
cellular automaton
and the Mandelbrot set,

563
00:26:54,153 --> 00:26:57,699
things like this
very simple equation,

564
00:26:57,699 --> 00:27:00,910
very simple idea
or rule to start with

565
00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:03,622
can lead to this immense
complexity.

566
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,708
I kind of want to know
what that thing is. That's

567
00:27:05,289 --> 00:27:08,626
the starting off point,
because I think that's generally

568
00:27:08,626 --> 00:27:11,671
where I can know, okay, this is
this is going to be the

569
00:27:11,671 --> 00:27:14,048
most useful thing for me.
Yeah, I think so.

570
00:27:14,048 --> 00:27:16,468
When it comes to and we could
probably move away

571
00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:18,761
to the generalities of it here,
but when it comes specifically

572
00:27:18,761 --> 00:27:23,266
to health science,
probably in general, the problem

573
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,351
that ends up happening,
I think to try to describe it

574
00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:28,938
in terms of how you research
good things is that

575
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:30,022
there is a lot of research
and things

576
00:27:28,938 --> 00:27:31,191
that you can look into,
whether it's all in you,

577
00:27:30,022 --> 00:27:33,108
it doesn't matter.
You can look into some

578
00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:34,903
very specific details.
So your example of testosterone,

579
00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:37,529
you could have also gone down
the path of testosterone.

580
00:27:37,529 --> 00:27:38,948
You know, you had
you could have gone

581
00:27:38,948 --> 00:27:41,992
down the path of, well, it's it's
not your total testosterone.

582
00:27:41,992 --> 00:27:43,452
It's a free testosterone.
Then it's your

583
00:27:44,953 --> 00:27:47,915
oestrogen levels as well,
because you have to have

584
00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:49,625
a balance between the two.
It's like you could have

585
00:27:47,915 --> 00:27:51,711
oestrogen supplements
rather than Tulsa up

586
00:27:49,625 --> 00:27:55,423
let's go with, you know, supra
doses of testosterone,

587
00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:57,675
which is going to be the
the thing being said

588
00:27:55,423 --> 00:28:00,679
rather than, you know,
trt and other people say

589
00:27:57,675 --> 00:28:03,181
like I had in a couple of
it was like I was taking super

590
00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:04,807
doses of testosterone
is basically just on steroids.

591
00:28:04,807 --> 00:28:09,436
And so there's all these
items that you can look

592
00:28:07,935 --> 00:28:10,355
into. Right.
We talked about today.

593
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:15,234
We talked about legumes or other,
you know, supplements

594
00:28:12,481 --> 00:28:18,238
of a few types.
And they do play a part

595
00:28:15,234 --> 00:28:21,324
in some degree. But at the root
and hopefully whether it's

596
00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:25,744
something that been found
for a long time or hasn't, that's

597
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:27,122
kind of what you want to
look towards in your research

598
00:28:27,122 --> 00:28:29,164
or at least use
that as a basis to them,

599
00:28:29,164 --> 00:28:30,375
which I think
is what you were saying.

600
00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,794
The problem there
is yet another example

601
00:28:33,752 --> 00:28:39,008
for a long time at least
my perception is based

602
00:28:39,008 --> 00:28:40,009
on listening
to a couple of people.

603
00:28:40,009 --> 00:28:43,387
Take the example of sleep.
It was knowing that sleep

604
00:28:43,387 --> 00:28:46,307
was needed for humans
for particular reasons,

605
00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:48,518
but it's widely very,
very recent,

606
00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:54,022
I think mostly through
the work of Matthew Walker Davis

607
00:28:52,271 --> 00:28:56,025
and a few other people, I guess
like 2030 is ultimately research

608
00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:59,528
about how important sleep is.
Wasn't known 100 years ago.

609
00:28:59,528 --> 00:29:01,029
Probably like you
kind of go to the year

610
00:29:01,029 --> 00:29:04,784
that you sleep well, it's
going to do good. It's probably

611
00:29:03,115 --> 00:29:08,621
some research about it,
but it's not so evidence

612
00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:10,414
in the core foundation of
you talk about testosterone

613
00:29:10,414 --> 00:29:14,169
or how I'm not feeling
well because of this

614
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:16,378
and whatnot. Shit.
Yes, you could be taking

615
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:18,506
a supplement
to maybe improve by 10%,

616
00:29:18,506 --> 00:29:23,051
but differentiation
of a good sleep far outweighs

617
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:26,055
anything you could do. And so
that kind of becomes well,

618
00:29:24,762 --> 00:29:27,723
that's an absolute bedrock
for my health fitness

619
00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:28,974
perspective. Or you want to
talk about it

620
00:29:28,974 --> 00:29:32,686
my more scientific lens
that you know, an aspect

621
00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:34,772
that if you're doing
without well,

622
00:29:32,686 --> 00:29:37,483
the rest are trivial.
And I had this particular

623
00:29:34,772 --> 00:29:38,442
quote from Tim.
Tim took it from someone else.

624
00:29:38,442 --> 00:29:41,488
Tim Ferriss I don't know
who to attribute

625
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:43,198
to about all of it,
which is focus on the on

626
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,282
the critical view
and not the trivial many.

627
00:29:45,282 --> 00:29:46,867
And I like I really like that.
So the critical

628
00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:49,788
you would be like, okay,
well you look at your sleep,

629
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:53,500
you look at your exercise. Three
you mentioned Peter Attia.

630
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,210
He got to a point
where he was trying

631
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:57,836
to understand, okay,
from a health longevity

632
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,338
perspective,
what's the single thing

633
00:29:57,836 --> 00:30:02,467
you can do that's going to do the
the biggest values

634
00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:05,845
bang for your buck?
And, you know, he sent out

635
00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:07,846
his research is to go
and do some some research

636
00:30:07,846 --> 00:30:09,848
that basically back that
said height is exercise

637
00:30:10,974 --> 00:30:12,477
and he didn't
believe he was like not

638
00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,770
I can't believe
this is actually thing

639
00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:17,022
go back out
I came back in and again

640
00:30:17,022 --> 00:30:20,401
that's what it was too over
and I think he was

641
00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:21,986
calling it out. Now, I don't know
if this is correct or not,

642
00:30:21,986 --> 00:30:26,199
but he was actually saying
from that at least the analysis,

643
00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:29,285
it was almost better
to do more exercise

644
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:31,913
and less sleep
in that particular case.

645
00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:34,039
Now it's all right.
Yes, this is me. Yes. Good, good.

646
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,417
What I need very the one thing.
The edge.

647
00:30:37,417 --> 00:30:40,421
Now, whether that's like
correct or not, I don't know.

648
00:30:40,421 --> 00:30:42,382
But it actually puts it
in a position of height,

649
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:46,385
exercise and sleep
height is a super,

650
00:30:43,924 --> 00:30:48,471
massively good.
In fact, maybe it's much

651
00:30:46,385 --> 00:30:49,388
better than nutrition.
Right? Good. Those two. Right.

652
00:30:49,388 --> 00:30:52,267
You probably don't have to worry
as much with your

653
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,935
nutritional aspect.
Perhaps. Now, again,

654
00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:56,604
that could change.
But there's there's

655
00:30:54,935 --> 00:30:57,980
going to be the critical
few that you focus on

656
00:30:57,980 --> 00:30:59,982
and then you do the research
that's applicable to that

657
00:30:59,982 --> 00:31:03,152
from a scientific perspective,
because you're going to get your

658
00:31:03,152 --> 00:31:05,195
period of principles out.
That's where only about

659
00:31:05,195 --> 00:31:10,326
80% of all is going to come from.
Hit those. Yes, you can find

660
00:31:07,574 --> 00:31:12,537
and look into the other
people's of things,

661
00:31:10,326 --> 00:31:14,204
but that's a trivial many.
And so. Brian Johnson

662
00:31:14,204 --> 00:31:16,540
So if you're trying to optimise
for the absolute F

663
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:19,711
degree or something,
then you have to go and hunt down

664
00:31:18,459 --> 00:31:20,878
the trivial many.
Yeah, if you don't have the time,

665
00:31:20,878 --> 00:31:22,755
you don't have the space
and you have to

666
00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:25,633
you have to limit the,
the time boundary

667
00:31:24,173 --> 00:31:26,800
that you're going down.
The research,

668
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,176
focus on the critical,
the ones that are going

669
00:31:28,176 --> 00:31:29,554
to give you the most bang
for your buck

670
00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:31,431
and you're going to go,
okay, that's fantastic.

671
00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:34,433
And in applying that
to a scientific purpose,

672
00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:37,185
again, I suppose I kind of
didn't believe it.

673
00:31:37,185 --> 00:31:39,646
I don't have ten days
to go and do some research

674
00:31:39,646 --> 00:31:42,942
to try and reply back to whatever
invisibility to myself.

675
00:31:42,942 --> 00:31:45,068
I need to go critical for you.
What does that mean?

676
00:31:45,068 --> 00:31:46,613
Look for our next book,
which is, you know,

677
00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:49,198
like a known entity
or someone that I've

678
00:31:47,529 --> 00:31:51,366
trusted in the past before
who has no bias in the subject,

679
00:31:51,366 --> 00:31:53,243
do a little bit
of cross-referencing.

680
00:31:53,243 --> 00:31:56,372
That's enough knowledge
like baseline to a point.

681
00:31:56,663 --> 00:31:58,665
I don't have to go on now
down to trivial many,

682
00:31:58,665 --> 00:32:01,044
which is all, but it's
a scam because of this.

683
00:32:01,044 --> 00:32:03,046
And then there's
this little detail. Sure,

684
00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:05,757
that might alter the journey
that you look out of the story,

685
00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:10,094
but is by a few degrees,
not by the 180 that you get

686
00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:10,886
from the critical for you.
Definitely.

687
00:32:10,886 --> 00:32:16,224
Let's jump to something based two
grams in the best way I'm getting

688
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:17,518
news I suppose another
the more general aspects

689
00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:19,561
that I was very much
focussed on the recency

690
00:32:19,561 --> 00:32:24,358
or nutrition, health science.
Absolutely. Absolutely. So let's

691
00:32:23,023 --> 00:32:25,692
go to the beach gram
Lounge once again,

692
00:32:24,358 --> 00:32:28,070
just very briefly.
These are comments

693
00:32:25,692 --> 00:32:31,240
which people are sending
through by way of the new

694
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:34,242
podcasting apps out there
where you can send through

695
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,536
some citations
with a message attached.

696
00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:37,329
We read them out here
in the Boost

697
00:32:37,329 --> 00:32:39,414
Gram Lounge and of course
you can participate.

698
00:32:39,414 --> 00:32:42,460
And we'll talk a little bit more
about how you might

699
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:44,211
be able to help us out
at the end of the podcast

700
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:48,423
as well. So we'll start off with
I love Sushi, love with Love.

701
00:32:48,423 --> 00:32:51,678
So, so glad to see this
episode up here in Fountains

702
00:32:50,175 --> 00:32:53,346
promotion slot.
I picked up new things

703
00:32:51,678 --> 00:32:56,140
in the second time.
Through in your Australian accent

704
00:32:54,388 --> 00:32:57,307
is always an added bonus.
Well might yeah might.

705
00:32:57,307 --> 00:32:59,227
Thank you very much. Right now
I don't think I've got

706
00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:03,605
an Australian accent at all,
but perhaps I do for some of

707
00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:05,023
the international flights.
I've been to the USA

708
00:33:03,605 --> 00:33:07,859
quite a few times
and almost every time

709
00:33:05,023 --> 00:33:09,653
I'm there people say,
Whoa, you're Australian.

710
00:33:09,653 --> 00:33:12,949
I got cheese.
You know, I wouldn't have

711
00:33:10,904 --> 00:33:13,991
thought that, but they.
Have. It is a funny one.

712
00:33:13,991 --> 00:33:16,786
I was chatting with this
Colombian girl

713
00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:19,747
in the gym yesterday
and I was really nailing

714
00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:20,957
down is first time I've
really properly asked,

715
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:25,752
Hey, when you hear me
speak Spanish, do I sound like

716
00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:28,381
an Australian guy
speaking Spanish

717
00:33:25,752 --> 00:33:31,384
or do I just sound like
an English speaking person

718
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:34,846
speaking Spanish?
And for her, she said

719
00:33:31,634 --> 00:33:37,140
the generic English one.
Now I and white English.

720
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:40,058
I mean an English speaker.
Fuck you look well now, Ella.

721
00:33:41,602 --> 00:33:45,897
And the outcome
from this was okay. That's funny

722
00:33:45,897 --> 00:33:49,943
because when I when I heard her
speaking English, I could tell

723
00:33:48,608 --> 00:33:51,362
she was Colombian.
Much like I can tell

724
00:33:51,362 --> 00:33:53,990
when Argentinean is
speaking English.

725
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:56,491
I can tell because
I use a lot of tissue.

726
00:33:56,491 --> 00:34:03,165
So when they're using words like
that in a wheelbarrow,

727
00:33:59,787 --> 00:34:04,333
I'm not going to be able
to think of it in the moment.

728
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:08,170
They'll have this kind
of visual sound. Yeah,

729
00:34:06,335 --> 00:34:10,840
very much like Mexicans.
They've got certain ways

730
00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:13,175
of saying certain words.
I can pick it up. So, yeah,

731
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719
just a funny little thing. Okay.
I'm not sure I'm

732
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,014
ever going to get credit
for being like, Holy shit,

733
00:34:16,512 --> 00:34:20,307
you're an Australian guy.
Who taught Spanish, right?

734
00:34:20,307 --> 00:34:24,896
Because they just can't tell.
They don't know enough

735
00:34:22,893 --> 00:34:27,898
about the Aussie accent
to then realise, Oh,

736
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:29,983
you're saying
you're speaking Spanish like this

737
00:34:29,983 --> 00:34:31,568
and it sounds
you're saying these words

738
00:34:31,568 --> 00:34:35,322
maybe slightly differently
because you're an Aussie.

739
00:34:32,527 --> 00:34:37,992
Gotcha, Gotcha. And I love the
she and through 7777

740
00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:40,536
that's and using dragons speaks.
To you thank you. Very much.

741
00:34:41,704 --> 00:34:45,208
We've got the dependable
Dave Jones weekly

742
00:34:42,954 --> 00:34:47,085
boost to the memorial
our nation 12,000 112,000

743
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:51,213
using cron again Dave the power
the powerful Dave John almost.

744
00:34:51,213 --> 00:34:54,257
Dependable he missed last
week on the. Side.

745
00:34:54,257 --> 00:34:55,717
There must have been
a problem with trunk.

746
00:34:55,717 --> 00:34:58,846
But I very much appreciate. Yeah.
Once again thank you so much

747
00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:04,101
Peter will be coming here.
Good discussion. You've covered

748
00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,728
my thoughts entirely.
I feel like people in general

749
00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:08,523
are trusting by default.
It's in our nature.

750
00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:11,025
I've met complete
dumb asses with Ph.D.

751
00:35:11,025 --> 00:35:13,568
I've also known as truly
clever high school dropouts.

752
00:35:13,568 --> 00:35:15,153
The bottom line is
there is no shortcuts

753
00:35:15,153 --> 00:35:17,239
in the pursuit of truth.
Get away the evidence

754
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,449
and figure stuff
out for yourself.

755
00:35:19,449 --> 00:35:21,452
Scientists believe in
the ignorance of experts.

756
00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:24,539
Richard Feynman, 3838
Saturn using Sound.

757
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:28,333
Do a big baby Boots
get a boost for one?

758
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:33,672
The recent dad. But absolutely,
yes, that was a previous

759
00:35:33,672 --> 00:35:37,050
musings conversation
that Peter is referencing.

760
00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:42,931
They but it's true.
I have yet to meet the

761
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:43,724
masses and PhDs and clever
high school dropouts.

762
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:47,894
I would say just
in in a flip of that,

763
00:35:44,891 --> 00:35:51,481
it also is the context of
Damascus at what clever at want

764
00:35:51,481 --> 00:35:55,570
and you can't get more practical
high school dropouts

765
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,864
are extremely clever
and I guess clever in the maybe

766
00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:00,824
breaking them in a problem
solving sounds and the like.

767
00:36:00,824 --> 00:36:03,827
But you know, equally
you could have Damascus

768
00:36:03,827 --> 00:36:05,913
in the sense
of social situations.

769
00:36:05,913 --> 00:36:08,416
I know some people
who are fucking woeful

770
00:36:08,416 --> 00:36:12,170
at social situations.
I'm not going to name them,

771
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,672
but they can be extremely
clever in other aspects.

772
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:16,715
Yes. Now that you call
Damascus again,

773
00:36:16,715 --> 00:36:20,177
it depends on the context,
but very, very good point there,

774
00:36:18,217 --> 00:36:23,181
Peter. I'll do this one.
So this name

775
00:36:20,177 --> 00:36:26,559
I haven't seen before.
Excelsior, It's Kelsey. I've said

776
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:28,476
I've actually seen.
Kelsey. This easily.

777
00:36:28,476 --> 00:36:32,648
Kelsey, I've seen
this name before. SLC is probably

778
00:36:30,313 --> 00:36:35,610
what are that's probably why they
have that. They're SLC. My

779
00:36:36,735 --> 00:36:38,362
because I was trying
to I was actually trying

780
00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:41,199
to look up
the acronym of SLC, SLC

781
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,617
because I'm like,
What the hell does SLC mean?

782
00:36:43,617 --> 00:36:46,621
We have SLC
bursting in new Listen to.

783
00:36:46,786 --> 00:36:49,956
In my humble opinion, elevator
pitch should always start

784
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:52,585
with a new a podcast app
with a boost button,

785
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:55,170
then followed up with these
are called podcasting 2.0.

786
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:58,590
But I'm no marketing expert
so just disregard

787
00:36:56,505 --> 00:37:00,967
love the expert talk.
I've been musing on this

788
00:36:58,590 --> 00:37:03,094
since 2020. We've taken expertise
from its natural pyramid

789
00:37:03,094 --> 00:37:05,222
structure feel at the top
many at the bottom

790
00:37:05,222 --> 00:37:07,307
to license professionals
and bureaucrats

791
00:37:07,307 --> 00:37:10,518
floating untouchable of the
above the masses character

792
00:37:10,518 --> 00:37:16,442
limit should be linked
to boost size 2121 set

793
00:37:13,021 --> 00:37:17,860
so using mountain code.
Thank you. Well, first of all,

794
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:21,572
thank you. And you booster,
you're going to appear

795
00:37:18,610 --> 00:37:23,074
on our website now
closer to the bottom

796
00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:24,367
of the big list.
But thank you very much.

797
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:30,748
Much, much appreciate it.
The yeah the pitch that and I

798
00:37:30,748 --> 00:37:34,210
this this there's many things
what I've seen with Chris

799
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:37,213
Fisher doing is
people have a big aversion

800
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:39,547
to switching podcasting
That's huge. I've forgotten that.

801
00:37:39,547 --> 00:37:42,760
I've tried to get one to it.
I see one struggling many

802
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,012
a time to just be like,
I don't want to do this.

803
00:37:45,012 --> 00:37:48,391
So I think that does
have to be an option. And Chris

804
00:37:48,391 --> 00:37:50,101
does this really well
with it where he's like,

805
00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:52,186
If you don't want to
switch the app, you know,

806
00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:54,188
you can go onto
the podcast index website

807
00:37:54,188 --> 00:37:56,606
and boost directly from there,
which you can do.

808
00:37:56,606 --> 00:37:59,652
I want to make it doable
so that we can do it

809
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,903
from our website. I'm hoping
that if I say it enough times,

810
00:38:01,903 --> 00:38:04,155
I'll actually fucking
get around to doing it

811
00:38:04,155 --> 00:38:06,992
because I've been making
some big claims out there

812
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:09,161
saying, You. Go to ABC,
go. To this support page.

813
00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:13,373
Like the support page
that I've promised is going to do

814
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,625
everything man.
It'll do your laundry.

815
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:18,920
It's going to do everything.
It will. It'll probably like

816
00:38:17,168 --> 00:38:20,630
make you Bitcoin,
like it'll do your Bitcoin

817
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,509
mining for you. Get your sets to
then be able to send to us

818
00:38:21,923 --> 00:38:28,222
automatically this site. The site
will do everything. So I will get

819
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,516
around to that one day.
But yeah, yeah. So that's, that's

820
00:38:31,516 --> 00:38:34,519
on the pitch side
and yeah, for the experts.

821
00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:39,733
What do you think about that one?
When you think of an expert now

822
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:42,277
do you think of someone
who's kind of untouchable?

823
00:38:42,277 --> 00:38:44,655
I think I feel like this.
Is more of a US thing.

824
00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,615
To be honest, I'm not sure
where SLC is from, but

825
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:52,413
they seem to have this a lot
with their kind of medical

826
00:38:49,409 --> 00:38:57,460
professionals with.
So I'm thinking of it was the guy

827
00:38:54,289 --> 00:39:00,463
during COVID which was the
American guy. Yeah. Yeah.

828
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:04,215
Like he was it became sort of
like venerated and hated

829
00:39:04,215 --> 00:39:06,135
at the same time.
Maybe it's just because

830
00:39:06,135 --> 00:39:10,597
that political system so strong.
But look at I think I think the

831
00:39:10,597 --> 00:39:12,516
we've taken expertise
where it's natural pyramid

832
00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:15,478
built up near the bottom
2000 professionals

833
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:19,315
and bureaucrats.
I think it's because in a maybe

834
00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:21,567
the hierarchical nature
it's just seen that hey,

835
00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:23,985
someone at the top with power
or a top level structure

836
00:39:23,985 --> 00:39:29,032
should technically no more
than those below him. I guess in

837
00:39:29,032 --> 00:39:32,244
all I'm talking, what, 70,
80 years ago

838
00:39:30,826 --> 00:39:34,079
when talking factories
and other processes,

839
00:39:32,244 --> 00:39:36,581
that was true.
People who were the top generally

840
00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:37,083
would rise to the top
and they would know

841
00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:39,043
every single little thing
that was happening in the system.

842
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,711
And the system itself
didn't change all that often.

843
00:39:41,711 --> 00:39:46,884
Now there is a shift in the lands
where things are changing

844
00:39:44,422 --> 00:39:49,512
and shifting so much.
There is no possible way

845
00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:51,012
that people who are
being coming into companies

846
00:39:51,012 --> 00:39:53,224
are working in spaces
and not going to

847
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:55,976
potentially know way
more than you and a myriad

848
00:39:54,432 --> 00:39:57,728
of other things beyond the people
who are at the top,

849
00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:01,148
just by the virtue
of what they're learning,

850
00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:06,070
what the idea comparative to you.
So I think it has changed

851
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:09,072
slightly in the sense
that the expertise is

852
00:40:09,114 --> 00:40:11,574
starting to get linked up
with other attributes

853
00:40:11,574 --> 00:40:17,081
that don't actually under
like that don't have the current

854
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:19,750
of what expertise should be.
It's sort of like it's it's

855
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:21,460
being thrown
in the boat of attributes

856
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:23,295
that actually don't carry
it forward.

857
00:40:23,295 --> 00:40:26,005
It's just almost like a
an extradition

858
00:40:26,005 --> 00:40:27,215
that shouldn't be there
in the first place.

859
00:40:27,215 --> 00:40:32,054
But now it's just become a
societal nature to put it

860
00:40:28,425 --> 00:40:33,639
as it being attribute.
Yeah, Yeah. Good point.

861
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:38,686
So I think you as we'll see,
we went from bitcoin debt

862
00:40:36,641 --> 00:40:40,228
pot for thousands
that sent using perverse

863
00:40:40,228 --> 00:40:42,940
congrats and 400 assets
will yield some thoughts

864
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:46,485
on horizontal scaling of shows.
Chris talked about

865
00:40:44,858 --> 00:40:47,902
how multiple shows
are often driven by need

866
00:40:47,902 --> 00:40:51,239
to create inventory
for advertisers and over time

867
00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:52,782
create burn out to do
the constant

868
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,577
need to generate content
and release

869
00:40:52,782 --> 00:40:57,079
multiple times a week.
If you're going to if you're not

870
00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:58,289
going to export it,
then I would lean towards

871
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:01,000
one or two
published works of love

872
00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:03,460
versus quantity.
Great, great comment. Thank you

873
00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:05,503
so much for that.
Which is the little bit

874
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:08,840
what I was like, I guess I'm
pointing towards. It's the the

875
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:13,052
one or two works of love
of quality as opposed

876
00:41:09,967 --> 00:41:14,679
to the quantity measures.
Yeah, I've been thinking

877
00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:15,972
about that,
especially since they sent

878
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,849
that in. I do want to
actually reach out to him,

879
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:20,018
maybe not on this show,
but maybe privately

880
00:41:20,018 --> 00:41:24,190
just because he does one where he
they've got it's him and Chris,

881
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:26,442
but then he sometimes
has conversations

882
00:41:26,442 --> 00:41:28,652
mixed in with him,
with other people,

883
00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:33,449
and they've been doing that
probably about as long

884
00:41:30,445 --> 00:41:37,577
as we have, maybe longer,
but in a much more. Yeah,

885
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:41,456
I want to get his opinion
just on that

886
00:41:37,577 --> 00:41:43,000
in terms of mixing styles,
mixing or, you know, audience

887
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,003
getting different types of
episodes coming in.

888
00:41:46,836 --> 00:41:49,507
Yeah, I do want to
research that a bit more

889
00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:52,467
because I think there is
there's got to be a blend of

890
00:41:52,467 --> 00:41:56,931
you don't want book reviews,
you know, 15 minute

891
00:41:55,679 --> 00:42:00,809
long book reviews
being mixed up with hour

892
00:41:56,931 --> 00:42:02,853
and a half long or hour
long episodes

893
00:42:00,851 --> 00:42:03,978
that we know for sure.
And then, you know,

894
00:42:03,978 --> 00:42:05,898
where does the monthly
goals fit into that,

895
00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:08,442
which are 30 minutes long?
But there's still between

896
00:42:07,106 --> 00:42:09,693
the two of us, where
is the conversation fit?

897
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:12,320
And if it's two
and a half hours long?

898
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,407
Yeah, I'm it's it's
a good thing to think of

899
00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:21,454
and I'm I'm more inclined
to move to your point as well

900
00:42:18,577 --> 00:42:24,208
which is yeah maybe
instead of having six

901
00:42:21,454 --> 00:42:26,793
shows we've got like three
or four. Yeah,

902
00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:29,630
that could be the reality. Yeah.
Now here's one that we'll talk

903
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:33,967
further as well offline.
But Cole McCormick

904
00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:35,885
has come in strong. He needs that
limited t shirt, bro.

905
00:42:35,885 --> 00:42:39,806
He needs a V for
the sensory 50,000 Satsuma

906
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:43,768
through fountain and drops
it drops it like it's hot.

907
00:42:43,768 --> 00:42:45,396
Scott. Hi. Thank you very much.
Called McCormick.

908
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,565
That does put you quite
indeed in t shirt territory.

909
00:42:48,565 --> 00:42:51,568
Yeah. Now puzzle. Well,
if you get in contact,

910
00:42:51,568 --> 00:42:54,445
actually sent me a chart.
Fantastic. Awesome. I'll do that.

911
00:42:54,445 --> 00:42:57,365
But the second point,
I actually had a bit of a

912
00:42:57,365 --> 00:42:59,534
brief idea on this.
I was just thinking

913
00:42:58,367 --> 00:43:00,911
this remodelling and over
the last couple of weeks

914
00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:04,373
and I went,
there's a couple of things

915
00:43:00,911 --> 00:43:07,626
of convincing trying to.
Jeff about the 800,000

916
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:10,086
Bitcoin block
is about to hit very soon.

917
00:43:10,086 --> 00:43:12,840
And he was talking about
how Monochrome celebrated

918
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,634
the 700,000th block
being created in Bitcoin

919
00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:20,556
by putting a ad in the front page
of a news article on his journal.

920
00:43:20,556 --> 00:43:23,349
So you had a day
when I actually did see him

921
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:25,603
and he was thinking about
how to celebrate the 800,000 and,

922
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,938
you know, putting it
writing on the sky

923
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:30,273
here in Brisbane,
not doing anything. I was like,

924
00:43:29,356 --> 00:43:34,235
That's cool, let's go.
As I saw this and thinking

925
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:36,739
through the past weeks and Andre,
if we commemorate

926
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:41,534
the 800,000 block
in some particular way, you know,

927
00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:43,746
I'm tossing this out here,
this will not know

928
00:43:41,534 --> 00:43:45,204
I thought prices but I went this
limit T-shirt

929
00:43:45,204 --> 00:43:48,958
that Comic-Con was get absolutely
they're never going to be

930
00:43:46,748 --> 00:43:50,376
made again that's region
hundred thousand which is awesome

931
00:43:50,376 --> 00:43:54,340
but do we create a again
like almost like a custom

932
00:43:55,173 --> 00:43:58,719
ten of with 800,000 like,
you know

933
00:43:57,550 --> 00:44:01,722
put some some real effort
into getting some right

934
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:05,141
nice quality material
shirt, hoodie jumper

935
00:44:05,141 --> 00:44:07,436
beanie whatever
something a bit different

936
00:44:07,436 --> 00:44:12,190
to commemorate the 100,000
plus our four years

937
00:44:09,103 --> 00:44:15,443
doing podcasting and some
you know complex way

938
00:44:13,608 --> 00:44:17,070
kind of sounds like this right
But by making it a bit

939
00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:22,867
like the first 10,000
40,000 boost basically get it

940
00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:24,869
that's it. First time that
we read out again, 40,000.

941
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:28,206
You know, it's just covering
like cost of creation

942
00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:30,876
and something.
You'll get it. Mm hmm. Maybe

943
00:44:29,666 --> 00:44:31,793
something to that effect.
We can talk about it.

944
00:44:31,793 --> 00:44:34,630
Yeah, but Comic-Con, we
really do appreciate that.

945
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:37,048
Absolutely amazing. And yet,
for those who don't know,

946
00:44:37,048 --> 00:44:40,552
you can go to the our website,
to the supporters space.

947
00:44:40,844 --> 00:44:44,264
And so those few
there's only a few handful

948
00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:47,309
who got over 100,000
although you know we got there

949
00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:50,728
some people
who got well over 100,000

950
00:44:47,726 --> 00:44:53,731
that you'll get a shirt from us.
So it's it's a bit of a thank you

951
00:44:53,731 --> 00:44:56,443
to to you for supporting us
and yeah, that guys

952
00:44:56,443 --> 00:44:58,320
wherever you are in the world
and we'll directly ship it.

953
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,447
To you Link is in the bottom
of the show notes

954
00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:03,409
and this is actually one
where once again

955
00:45:01,407 --> 00:45:05,661
with the value for value,
I think reaching out and

956
00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:06,954
just letting people know.
I'm not sure he knew how

957
00:45:06,954 --> 00:45:10,708
close he was or wasn't
to getting a T-shirt off,

958
00:45:10,748 --> 00:45:15,128
of getting the limited edition.
And so this is one where

959
00:45:12,876 --> 00:45:16,963
I just kind of reached out
and was like, Hey,

960
00:45:15,128 --> 00:45:20,925
just so you know, and
I talked about in the 400, yeah,

961
00:45:19,048 --> 00:45:22,677
this is how close you are.
And check out this episode.

962
00:45:22,677 --> 00:45:25,806
And so, yeah, once again,
one of those ones where I think

963
00:45:24,804 --> 00:45:29,184
value for value,
a lot of it is about

964
00:45:25,806 --> 00:45:30,978
getting over that initial feeling
like you're begging,

965
00:45:30,978 --> 00:45:33,271
feeling like you're pleading,
feeling like you're being.

966
00:45:33,271 --> 00:45:34,898
Well, well, and that one,
it doesn't even feel it

967
00:45:34,898 --> 00:45:37,775
because it genuinely is us
giving you something

968
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,443
for equal value.
Like we're literally going

969
00:45:38,443 --> 00:45:40,945
to send you back again,
that same value that you spent on

970
00:45:40,945 --> 00:45:46,994
something that we've created. So
moving on, another one

971
00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:48,579
from Peter, there's 2222.
He sent it using fountain.

972
00:45:48,579 --> 00:45:52,206
He's has $10 million
offer hot Not no hot no

973
00:45:52,541 --> 00:45:54,585
never betray your ideals.
It's not worth it.

974
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:56,503
You'll make up the money
on another note,

975
00:45:56,503 --> 00:45:59,380
the boldly and must show
potential rebranding.

976
00:45:59,380 --> 00:46:04,094
Quack quack. Quack, quack, quack.
I wonder. I wonder if that's

977
00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:06,472
what we call the the
the fit is kind. Of like

978
00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:07,931
to tell me.
The body and muscle shape.

979
00:46:07,931 --> 00:46:11,018
Yeah. Yeah. That's
I maybe there's something.

980
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:15,313
There is something about
just calling it like, you know,

981
00:46:12,311 --> 00:46:18,525
minimalist fitness or
even like you were

982
00:46:15,313 --> 00:46:19,860
thinking about or talking about
putting it into this one.

983
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:24,280
And with the bitcoin ads message,
yeah, I'm kind of more amenable

984
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,242
to it now than I was
I was before.

985
00:46:27,242 --> 00:46:30,329
But yeah, man, just having
the muscles and body.

986
00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:33,498
I don't think it's a bad idea.
I don't think

987
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:35,416
it's a bad idea, no.
And then we go on here

988
00:46:33,498 --> 00:46:38,253
finally rounding it off
Macintosh Sorry,

989
00:46:35,416 --> 00:46:41,088
I cannot bring myself to
this with the number 400

990
00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:42,215
in it. Congratulations.
What an accomplishment.

991
00:46:42,215 --> 00:46:44,675
I love listening to you two
as you move through this process.

992
00:46:44,675 --> 00:46:46,512
I can't.
If you have a T-shirt left

993
00:46:46,512 --> 00:46:48,847
next to, like Deadpool
and you and I both make it

994
00:46:48,847 --> 00:46:51,432
to Nashville Bitcoin conference,
you can give me a shirt.

995
00:46:51,432 --> 00:46:54,268
Otherwise, let's get someone else
100,000 and give it to them.

996
00:46:54,268 --> 00:46:58,481
Thanks. Macintosh
a generation Bitcoin and that's

997
00:46:56,396 --> 00:47:03,152
21,017 Music Mountain.
Oh yeah, man. Two big ones.

998
00:47:00,483 --> 00:47:05,322
Two polar bears from.
Yeah, two big ones

999
00:47:03,152 --> 00:47:08,951
and a few. Yeah.
And even sushi was with a big one

1000
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:12,161
is also a lot of support
this this particular week

1001
00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:15,331
gone by so yeah so.
Just to answer Macintosh

1002
00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:17,000
that look
you're getting a t shirt

1003
00:47:15,331 --> 00:47:18,751
no matter what if you
want to wait until then

1004
00:47:19,878 --> 00:47:26,802
I'm I'm like
98% sure that'll be it. Nashville

1005
00:47:24,173 --> 00:47:29,804
that's my surety level.
If you want it before

1006
00:47:26,802 --> 00:47:31,556
then, I'll send it to you.
This chart is for you. What?

1007
00:47:31,556 --> 00:47:35,936
Why is it 98%? What the 2%?
Oh, just. Just a life.

1008
00:47:35,936 --> 00:47:40,148
Yeah, just life. Yeah.
You know, if things things

1009
00:47:37,144 --> 00:47:44,735
pop up, family stuff,
global financial crisis,

1010
00:47:41,483 --> 00:47:46,112
whatever, You know that.
Okay. Yeah.

1011
00:47:46,112 --> 00:47:47,405
So they get Macintosh,
so you can see that

1012
00:47:47,405 --> 00:47:48,865
you're probably likely
to get it in person,

1013
00:47:48,865 --> 00:47:50,534
but we can send it out
earlier if you do want.

1014
00:47:50,534 --> 00:47:53,202
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Either way, it's,

1015
00:47:51,534 --> 00:47:55,121
it's coming for you.
You know that that shirt is

1016
00:47:55,121 --> 00:47:58,333
is now designated for you,
so I should actually go

1017
00:47:56,706 --> 00:48:00,668
count them and,
and then I can officially

1018
00:47:58,333 --> 00:48:01,628
announce how many left
because that's two more gone.

1019
00:48:01,628 --> 00:48:05,715
People Absolutely going to.
That's it. That's,

1020
00:48:04,213 --> 00:48:06,592
that's the basic idea.
That's to love it.

1021
00:48:06,592 --> 00:48:09,385
So and by the way, for people,
if you want to know, I believe

1022
00:48:09,385 --> 00:48:15,349
we're at the 799,373rd
block on Bitcoin seven.

1023
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:19,146
Hundred times the site.
So 600, 600 something.

1024
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,400
So 6000 minutes, how many
is how many is that one?

1025
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,777
I can't do that. That's
in my head quickly do.

1026
00:48:25,777 --> 00:48:30,574
Pretty easy six.
That's 100 hours. Yeah. Yeah.

1027
00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:33,409
Hundred hours from.
The hundred hours. Exactly.

1028
00:48:33,409 --> 00:48:36,413
So they get 100 hours
away from four days. Mm.

1029
00:48:36,454 --> 00:48:39,291
Nice again. But yes.
Thank you very much for everyone

1030
00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:42,001
supporting that
And we'll talk about a little bit

1031
00:48:40,416 --> 00:48:45,630
at the very end.
So let's get back to

1032
00:48:42,001 --> 00:48:48,175
talking on Dolly on deep
going down the information

1033
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:49,927
path, pulling up.
We need to go to deep General.

1034
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:51,762
We'll get General.
Now I've got this general on

1035
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,972
and this is where I was going.
Okay. This seems to be

1036
00:48:54,972 --> 00:48:57,224
a strange thing
when you're grinding

1037
00:48:57,224 --> 00:48:58,684
and this is just
talking about research.

1038
00:48:58,684 --> 00:49:02,230
So this in particular
getting down. Okay,

1039
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:03,606
how do I know if I'm going
too far down a rabbit hole?

1040
00:49:03,606 --> 00:49:06,860
So we've we've gone past
the nutrition, health,

1041
00:49:05,233 --> 00:49:08,737
this science and stuff.
This is just going down

1042
00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:11,864
the rabbit hole.
So there's something to be

1043
00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:13,240
said about the grinding
nature of finding out

1044
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,036
information of research
where you're you,

1045
00:49:17,496 --> 00:49:20,916
you get a particular piece
and you're like, I don't think

1046
00:49:19,706 --> 00:49:22,250
this is useful.
That was a useless

1047
00:49:20,916 --> 00:49:25,295
piece of thing. How is this going
to help me? You get another one

1048
00:49:23,585 --> 00:49:26,963
and you get maybe
ten, 15 of them in a row,

1049
00:49:26,963 --> 00:49:29,757
or you do ten and 15 hours
of that in a row

1050
00:49:29,757 --> 00:49:32,552
and you don't feel like
you've come out with anything

1051
00:49:32,552 --> 00:49:35,554
solid or substantial
or that's worthwhile.

1052
00:49:35,847 --> 00:49:38,224
But there seems to be
something esoteric

1053
00:49:36,556 --> 00:49:40,059
about doing that.
And then four months later,

1054
00:49:40,059 --> 00:49:42,144
your knowledge
will take a huge jump

1055
00:49:42,144 --> 00:49:46,817
or you will understand
the concept much more deeply

1056
00:49:46,817 --> 00:49:50,362
and you don't
even really know what

1057
00:49:47,358 --> 00:49:55,367
particular piece of it it is.
So for me in this example

1058
00:49:51,405 --> 00:49:58,327
is probably university.
When I would study for exams,

1059
00:49:58,327 --> 00:50:02,164
I would be studying
lectures, slides,

1060
00:49:59,829 --> 00:50:03,625
I would be studying books
that they suggested for reading.

1061
00:50:03,625 --> 00:50:08,922
I would be looking at
previous past examples

1062
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:12,300
and all of this.
None of it at any point

1063
00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:13,969
felt like this. This is a
piece of information

1064
00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:17,431
I really need to know.
Oh yeah, this one's going

1065
00:50:15,219 --> 00:50:20,224
to really help me out. None of it
ever felt like that yet.

1066
00:50:20,224 --> 00:50:22,351
I would do that
for maybe 10 hours

1067
00:50:22,351 --> 00:50:26,690
and I would come out
with something solid,

1068
00:50:23,686 --> 00:50:28,190
which I felt, yes,
I have actually learned

1069
00:50:26,856 --> 00:50:30,068
something here.
This is actually going

1070
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:32,195
to be really helpful.
I can teach this

1071
00:50:30,068 --> 00:50:35,364
to other people if they
if they need explaining

1072
00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:38,367
on this particular
type of geology in a mine

1073
00:50:35,364 --> 00:50:39,202
site, for example. What what are
your thoughts

1074
00:50:39,202 --> 00:50:42,998
on that on this kind of
unquantifiable nature of

1075
00:50:43,623 --> 00:50:46,208
of knowing when you're
when you go

1076
00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:49,838
and down the rabbit hole
of of actually like, oh,

1077
00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:53,800
this is actually useful
is how do you know when

1078
00:50:50,713 --> 00:50:56,802
there's there's a point to
to kind of stop at

1079
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,637
or do you get the same
feeling as well

1080
00:50:56,802 --> 00:51:02,476
when you're researching.
I think in practical terms

1081
00:51:02,476 --> 00:51:08,190
the feeling that I get
would be more,

1082
00:51:05,561 --> 00:51:10,233
it would be more akin
to the conversation of

1083
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:16,782
going down a path and realising
the practicality of going further

1084
00:51:16,782 --> 00:51:18,867
and where there
actually serves a purpose

1085
00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:21,494
because it's either
serving the purpose

1086
00:51:21,494 --> 00:51:24,414
or is more of a passion
learning because I guess

1087
00:51:24,414 --> 00:51:27,458
mine's mine's different
in the sense that when I

1088
00:51:28,001 --> 00:51:31,755
oversaturate myself
in a particular topic or idea

1089
00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:35,592
and I've seen this before, now
focusing for a whole month

1090
00:51:32,713 --> 00:51:36,510
on a particular thing,
when I did that,

1091
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:41,056
it was very apparent to me
that, yes, I do. If you want to,

1092
00:51:41,056 --> 00:51:44,726
you know, visualise it,
step up the ladder

1093
00:51:41,931 --> 00:51:48,230
of maybe information.
What I more mean by

1094
00:51:44,726 --> 00:51:52,067
that is I would almost say
I can step up the ladder,

1095
00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:54,485
but then share
the information that's up

1096
00:51:54,485 --> 00:51:56,862
the ladder,
very far down the ladder.

1097
00:51:56,862 --> 00:52:01,284
And yes, that does come in
in a way I can, I can generalise

1098
00:51:59,782 --> 00:52:02,409
and simplify it, which I guess
we were talking about this

1099
00:52:02,409 --> 00:52:06,039
in the previous episode
that experts, I see experts

1100
00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:06,998
as being really good
when they can simplify

1101
00:52:06,998 --> 00:52:09,626
a particularly complex
topic and have the masses

1102
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:13,295
understandable to mere mortals.
So I kind of go, Yes,

1103
00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:15,047
I can see that
putting a lot of effort

1104
00:52:13,295 --> 00:52:19,010
intensely for said bit of time,
how much that is

1105
00:52:16,215 --> 00:52:20,804
to be able to explain it.
Yes, that's a good thing.

1106
00:52:20,804 --> 00:52:25,724
But I get really stuck into
I'll stop if it's for practical

1107
00:52:25,724 --> 00:52:29,228
reasoning to do a certain thing
and then that'll be done

1108
00:52:27,601 --> 00:52:32,983
and that's it. We move on.
I kind of turn

1109
00:52:30,188 --> 00:52:36,068
that is deeds greater than
deeds, greater than words. Okay,

1110
00:52:34,275 --> 00:52:37,237
you can get more words,
but really the practicalities of

1111
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:40,447
deeds want to get out there.
Or there's the other aspect

1112
00:52:40,447 --> 00:52:42,284
of the oversaturation
where, yes, I'm

1113
00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:44,286
going to saturate myself
here of information.

1114
00:52:44,286 --> 00:52:46,121
I'm going to get that next
step up

1115
00:52:46,121 --> 00:52:52,543
and kind of have a broader
understanding. But it's much more

1116
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:57,298
of a passion project
or a passion deep dive

1117
00:52:52,543 --> 00:52:59,342
where the applicability,
if you always look at it

1118
00:52:57,882 --> 00:53:01,677
on like that 8020 rule
of how beneficial it is,

1119
00:53:01,677 --> 00:53:03,221
I went way past it.
Like I'm spending

1120
00:53:03,221 --> 00:53:07,099
now a lot of effort
that's not really

1121
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,934
practically helping,
but I just enjoy it.

1122
00:53:07,934 --> 00:53:11,980
So I'm going to do that anyways
with the full knowledge

1123
00:53:09,643 --> 00:53:13,856
that, as you say, we're talking a
little bit about health,

1124
00:53:12,898 --> 00:53:16,358
and that's where I probably spend
a lot more of my time.

1125
00:53:16,358 --> 00:53:19,737
But on the stuff that I've
learned about

1126
00:53:17,735 --> 00:53:22,740
maybe the last six months,
I probably only recall

1127
00:53:19,737 --> 00:53:24,034
10% of it, 20% of it, and
a lot of the other stuff,

1128
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:27,036
if I just look at my head,
I didn't really capture.

1129
00:53:27,077 --> 00:53:30,623
And so you go, well, you know,
you look at that practically,

1130
00:53:30,623 --> 00:53:32,833
I probably wasted a lot of time
because a lot of that I'm not

1131
00:53:32,833 --> 00:53:36,755
I didn't retain that information
and I'm not putting it to use

1132
00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:38,172
where maybe you could say,
well, you could have

1133
00:53:38,172 --> 00:53:40,425
in that time learned
how to unscrew a door

1134
00:53:40,425 --> 00:53:44,637
or paint the roof or whatever,
pull up the carpet

1135
00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:46,097
in this right way. So that's
a lot more practical.

1136
00:53:46,097 --> 00:53:48,682
And there's got to be
definitely a balance between

1137
00:53:48,682 --> 00:53:50,643
what things you do
for passion or being bored

1138
00:53:50,643 --> 00:53:52,269
and then doing it
for practical purposes.

1139
00:53:52,269 --> 00:53:58,193
Yeah, here's a clear view.
If I'm building or trying

1140
00:53:55,190 --> 00:54:02,239
to, you know,
repair a washing machine

1141
00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:04,114
or fix up the bottom of a fridge
or something like that,

1142
00:54:04,114 --> 00:54:06,826
I'm not going to go
and read an entire manual

1143
00:54:06,826 --> 00:54:10,121
or read a lot of forums
about how people have done it.

1144
00:54:10,121 --> 00:54:13,625
What I'm probably going to
do is going to try and find

1145
00:54:11,581 --> 00:54:14,376
a video on YouTube
that explains it

1146
00:54:14,376 --> 00:54:17,045
or someone who explains it
really clearly. I'll just look at

1147
00:54:17,045 --> 00:54:18,213
I won't even
look at the whole video.

1148
00:54:18,213 --> 00:54:21,507
I just look at the 42nd snippet
that talks about it.

1149
00:54:21,507 --> 00:54:25,679
I'll look at it, I'll do it.
That's it. Tells about not doing

1150
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:27,764
any more research.
I'm not looking into other way.

1151
00:54:27,764 --> 00:54:29,556
People have solved it
in other fridges,

1152
00:54:29,556 --> 00:54:31,601
but in impractical,
I'm not going to do that.

1153
00:54:31,601 --> 00:54:33,686
If I had a passion for
fixing things

1154
00:54:33,686 --> 00:54:36,856
and maybe electronics,
maybe I would. And so that's

1155
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:39,442
the differentiation with things.
So again, another example

1156
00:54:39,442 --> 00:54:42,445
when it comes to fitness
and planning out your workouts,

1157
00:54:42,445 --> 00:54:46,740
a short shit, I'm going way
beyond the 8020 principle

1158
00:54:43,737 --> 00:54:48,784
into like 99 and one
and finding like I'm

1159
00:54:46,992 --> 00:54:50,536
spending so much time, probably
like an extra percentage.

1160
00:54:50,536 --> 00:54:52,414
It's not practical,
but it's really fun.

1161
00:54:52,414 --> 00:54:56,333
And I'm going to keep on doing
really hardcore research

1162
00:54:53,664 --> 00:54:58,085
in that area because.
I just find it fun,

1163
00:54:56,333 --> 00:54:59,253
even if it's impractical.
Yeah, yeah.

1164
00:54:59,253 --> 00:55:02,172
I split it up very much
the same where it's does

1165
00:55:02,172 --> 00:55:05,510
a utility based one
and then there's a kind of fun

1166
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:08,887
type of research and that's
usually pretty distinct.

1167
00:55:08,887 --> 00:55:12,766
I think it's rare that
they'll be in the middle and that

1168
00:55:12,766 --> 00:55:15,519
you can usually put them
into one of these two categories

1169
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,856
and much like
you were just saying,

1170
00:55:17,856 --> 00:55:21,650
I think that was
one of those ones where I look

1171
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:24,653
at the testosterone thing
and it wasn't

1172
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:26,197
particularly for fun,
but I was getting trying

1173
00:55:26,197 --> 00:55:29,074
get down to that level
of that 1% gain.

1174
00:55:29,074 --> 00:55:35,831
And yet I wasn't kind of
measuring it enough

1175
00:55:32,494 --> 00:55:38,835
to really be able to say,
Oh yeah, this

1176
00:55:35,831 --> 00:55:42,005
1% is actually useful
because, you know, to do that

1177
00:55:40,295 --> 00:55:42,922
for testosterone,
you'd probably be having

1178
00:55:42,922 --> 00:55:44,798
to do blood tests
every single day

1179
00:55:44,798 --> 00:55:46,800
or have some sort of
I don't even know

1180
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,722
if you can do continuous
testosterone management, like,

1181
00:55:49,512 --> 00:55:52,806
you know, how you can up
a glucose monitor.

1182
00:55:52,806 --> 00:55:55,559
I don't know if there's a
testosterone version of that.

1183
00:55:56,769 --> 00:56:00,315
Maybe. Maybe. But that
was one where I was going,

1184
00:56:00,315 --> 00:56:03,068
okay, well, you know,
how do you actually measure

1185
00:56:03,068 --> 00:56:05,445
the utility
of these sort of things?

1186
00:56:05,445 --> 00:56:08,655
And this is where it's
usually the non fun ones

1187
00:56:08,655 --> 00:56:12,659
actually have some kind
of good utility metrics to them.

1188
00:56:12,744 --> 00:56:15,996
You need to pass the exam.
Okay. You've

1189
00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:19,876
got to get this score.
And there's 50

1190
00:56:15,996 --> 00:56:21,460
multiple choice questions.
And you look at all

1191
00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:22,836
the previous exams. Okay,
you've got a rough idea

1192
00:56:22,836 --> 00:56:25,507
of what type of ones
are going to be on here.

1193
00:56:25,507 --> 00:56:29,094
If you spend this too much time
in this area, you can roughly get

1194
00:56:29,094 --> 00:56:32,097
seven or eight of these.
If you spend this

1195
00:56:30,302 --> 00:56:34,056
much time in this area
and you do that

1196
00:56:32,097 --> 00:56:35,599
over a couple of exams
you get a rough idea of, okay,

1197
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:39,603
this is about how much
time and effort I need to

1198
00:56:36,601 --> 00:56:42,606
put in to get a six
this to get a seven, this

1199
00:56:39,603 --> 00:56:47,320
to just barely pass.
So I think it's a lot

1200
00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:50,532
easier to do that
utility based ones of

1201
00:56:47,737 --> 00:56:52,992
knowing how deep you go
and down the rabbit hole

1202
00:56:50,532 --> 00:56:55,994
when it is got some real metrics
attached to it and usually

1203
00:56:56,621 --> 00:56:59,248
that's going to be probably not
going to fall into the fun camp.

1204
00:56:59,248 --> 00:57:01,626
It's going to be I'm
doing this for work, I'm

1205
00:57:01,626 --> 00:57:04,711
doing this for university,
I'm doing this for my job,

1206
00:57:04,711 --> 00:57:09,342
I'm doing this for
my friend who needs this

1207
00:57:06,297 --> 00:57:13,096
particular outcome.
And so then the other case

1208
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:16,724
then is, okay, what about is it
possible to have fun?

1209
00:57:16,974 --> 00:57:21,311
The fun one, you're enjoying it
but still go overboard

1210
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:23,981
and actually the utility of fun
then gets stripped away

1211
00:57:23,981 --> 00:57:27,902
and you're actually it's now
harming you, for example.

1212
00:57:27,902 --> 00:57:31,989
So one for me
was probably the the game

1213
00:57:31,989 --> 00:57:35,534
and that sort of thing.
I probably went too far

1214
00:57:33,407 --> 00:57:37,454
on that and I think
I learned some stuff

1215
00:57:35,534 --> 00:57:38,954
which I'm now kind of trying
to have to unlearn

1216
00:57:38,954 --> 00:57:41,833
because it's not actually serving
me, it's actually hurting me.

1217
00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:45,253
So there's that
kind of utility aspect and

1218
00:57:45,628 --> 00:57:47,963
getting down the rabbit
hole where I think

1219
00:57:47,963 --> 00:57:50,757
utility is a good metric,
but it's not the only one

1220
00:57:50,757 --> 00:57:56,556
as well. There was a
I don't know how to pose,

1221
00:57:56,556 --> 00:57:58,516
but it feels like
a challenging question.

1222
00:57:58,516 --> 00:58:01,393
But maybe it is.
And so I'll try to sort of

1223
00:57:58,974 --> 00:58:04,688
like put it out
in thinking around again,

1224
00:58:01,393 --> 00:58:07,150
research the things
we're putting forward

1225
00:58:04,856 --> 00:58:09,818
that there is a very clear
separator utility

1226
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:13,155
and then you go find that
and then something ideas

1227
00:58:09,818 --> 00:58:14,532
on what about as we talking about
the depth of research

1228
00:58:14,532 --> 00:58:19,119
and how far do you get to
about things

1229
00:58:16,117 --> 00:58:19,871
that are really important?
And you might know

1230
00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:22,873
they're important,
but you might not, but let's say

1231
00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:24,083
the things are important,
but they are hard to find

1232
00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:29,255
or they're hard to research.
How do you know how deep

1233
00:58:25,751 --> 00:58:30,672
to go into that topic?
We'll give an example

1234
00:58:30,672 --> 00:58:33,342
because talking to someone
about this today, equanimity.

1235
00:58:33,342 --> 00:58:36,846
And so the description for people
at home, it's

1236
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:39,139
calmness and composure,
especially in a

1237
00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:43,686
difficult situation. Now,
equanimity

1238
00:58:40,224 --> 00:58:44,603
isn't a particular topic.
I don't think that on a

1239
00:58:44,603 --> 00:58:46,481
quick Google,
you got to understand

1240
00:58:46,481 --> 00:58:48,273
what it means
practically for you.

1241
00:58:48,273 --> 00:58:53,112
Like if you Googled that, I bet
you find loads of articles

1242
00:58:50,693 --> 00:58:56,324
about how to find it. Maybe it'll
talk about meditation or

1243
00:58:53,445 --> 00:58:57,199
doing some other things,
but it is a very

1244
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,244
you're going to find
some very good memory cancers

1245
00:58:58,117 --> 00:59:02,829
at a very top level
and I think the the true meaning,

1246
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:05,708
if people think that equanimity
is a really good thing

1247
00:59:03,914 --> 00:59:08,628
that you want to achieve or find,
there's some effort. There's

1248
00:59:07,751 --> 00:59:09,836
like a lot of effort
both in the research

1249
00:59:09,836 --> 00:59:11,965
and both in you
taking actions around it.

1250
00:59:11,965 --> 00:59:14,967
So you almost kind of have
to go down the path of

1251
00:59:15,342 --> 00:59:18,179
do some research,
take some actions or utility

1252
00:59:18,179 --> 00:59:19,972
to do more research
to get to a deeper level

1253
00:59:19,972 --> 00:59:22,599
and take some more research.
And perhaps you might find

1254
00:59:20,806 --> 00:59:24,309
some fun in this. And it goes
a really deep level

1255
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:26,521
and then you maybe realise
that, you know,

1256
00:59:26,521 --> 00:59:29,983
there's more levels within levels
and it's a never ending journey

1257
00:59:28,063 --> 00:59:32,443
and it's the continuation
of, of the journey

1258
00:59:29,983 --> 00:59:33,735
to actually equanimity,
whatever it may be.

1259
00:59:33,735 --> 00:59:37,489
In those circumstances.
Do you think that it becomes

1260
00:59:37,489 --> 00:59:40,492
harder to find a space
to stop the research?

1261
00:59:40,784 --> 00:59:44,079
Because you know,
I have this feeling with

1262
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:49,835
happiness, the composition
of happiness, and even thinking

1263
00:59:47,291 --> 00:59:52,963
about it myself, I kind wear the
research to ask a question

1264
00:59:52,963 --> 00:59:57,175
or thought about it
to enough points, and then

1265
00:59:54,172 --> 01:00:00,221
now thinking about it to a point
where the research

1266
00:59:57,969 --> 01:00:03,224
got me so far, both
in personal experience

1267
01:00:00,221 --> 01:00:05,268
in researching the I,
it's actually not

1268
01:00:03,307 --> 01:00:07,019
what I should be
looking at at all. In fact,

1269
01:00:05,851 --> 01:00:10,523
I just need to stop here
because I'm not going

1270
01:00:07,019 --> 01:00:12,608
to find any more answers
realistically about happiness.

1271
01:00:12,608 --> 01:00:13,985
I'm actually
going to find it with the

1272
01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:16,737
adjoining conversations
and questions in other places,

1273
01:00:16,737 --> 01:00:20,115
because in that, in doing
those deeds leads

1274
01:00:20,115 --> 01:00:23,744
you back to the happiness
that you're actually seeking

1275
01:00:21,826 --> 01:00:25,746
in the first place.
If you're searching

1276
01:00:23,744 --> 01:00:27,456
for your keys,
you search for the thing

1277
01:00:27,456 --> 01:00:29,626
that is typically
associated with the keys.

1278
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:31,793
And if you find that,
you might find the. Keys, sure.

1279
01:00:31,793 --> 01:00:34,630
But in this case, I go,
here's a topic

1280
01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:35,505
in which I would go,
Hey, it's important

1281
01:00:35,505 --> 01:00:39,092
and you can do a little research.
And even then you kind of have to

1282
01:00:39,092 --> 01:00:41,721
at some point figure
out in your own self

1283
01:00:41,721 --> 01:00:44,681
that you actually have to stop
because any more research

1284
01:00:44,681 --> 01:00:47,059
is not going to fruit,
any bear, any fruit,

1285
01:00:47,059 --> 01:00:49,603
you actually have to
go elsewhere.

1286
01:00:49,603 --> 01:00:52,273
Can you think of examples
that you agree

1287
01:00:50,688 --> 01:00:56,110
with the fact that you
how do you deal with areas

1288
01:00:52,273 --> 01:00:59,322
of incredible importance
but can be really devilish

1289
01:00:56,735 --> 01:01:03,117
to research? How do people even
recognise how

1290
01:01:00,697 --> 01:01:05,036
far to go down the path?
I don't even know

1291
01:01:03,117 --> 01:01:07,413
if I'd call that research
if it's getting

1292
01:01:05,036 --> 01:01:09,916
to that stage. Equanimity.
Full discovery. Cool discovery.

1293
01:01:09,916 --> 01:01:13,835
Yeah. No, no matter what it is,
those those type of ones

1294
01:01:14,128 --> 01:01:16,838
that almost
just sounds like living.

1295
01:01:16,838 --> 01:01:22,302
It's just I'm not even sure
that research is the best way

1296
01:01:20,842 --> 01:01:25,931
to describe that.
It would be how to live,

1297
01:01:22,302 --> 01:01:28,934
how to have a good life.
How about financial

1298
01:01:25,931 --> 01:01:33,021
independence? Hmm? Yeah, I mean,
even that one.

1299
01:01:33,021 --> 01:01:36,025
Yeah, I guess that's a bit
more specific.

1300
01:01:37,527 --> 01:01:39,862
I think that's probably
where the research is,

1301
01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:45,076
is not expert based,
and it's a lot of it is that

1302
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,827
kind of practicality.
You have to test it out

1303
01:01:45,076 --> 01:01:48,161
for yourself.
You know, if you want

1304
01:01:48,161 --> 01:01:51,164
financial independence,
does that mean for you

1305
01:01:52,416 --> 01:01:54,376
reducing costs down
and going the minimalist

1306
01:01:54,376 --> 01:01:57,755
route, does that mean
you want to maximise

1307
01:01:58,422 --> 01:02:02,760
wealth in the short term?
And so you go balls

1308
01:02:00,132 --> 01:02:04,554
to the wall with the,
you know, get rich,

1309
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,389
quick type things.
Does that mean developing

1310
01:02:04,554 --> 01:02:08,974
passive incomes, does that it's,
you know, there's

1311
01:02:08,974 --> 01:02:13,521
so many different layers
to that one. And and I would say

1312
01:02:13,521 --> 01:02:16,273
they're very separate learning
how to be a good minimalist

1313
01:02:16,273 --> 01:02:18,608
I think is very different
from learning

1314
01:02:18,608 --> 01:02:20,527
how to get as much money
as quickly as possible.

1315
01:02:20,527 --> 01:02:22,320
I think those things are
pretty opposite.

1316
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,117
And I think this is a sign
like summarise a little bit of

1317
01:02:26,117 --> 01:02:30,371
my general views on this. I went,
whether it's scientific

1318
01:02:28,536 --> 01:02:32,623
or health related, whether it's
a more general view,

1319
01:02:32,623 --> 01:02:36,585
that particular question,
I kind of landed myself on your

1320
01:02:37,628 --> 01:02:41,007
way. What helps you to know
when to stop research?

1321
01:02:41,007 --> 01:02:44,135
Because you can look
at very clear cut

1322
01:02:45,802 --> 01:02:49,181
questions that just seem
apparently easy, right?

1323
01:02:49,181 --> 01:02:51,016
You fixing the bottom
of the fridge?

1324
01:02:51,016 --> 01:02:53,226
I'm going to find a video
that helps me to do that.

1325
01:02:53,226 --> 01:02:56,396
I fix it.
Now that seems hunky dory.

1326
01:02:56,396 --> 01:02:58,065
Then you've got
the question of, you know,

1327
01:02:58,065 --> 01:02:59,608
I don't want
financial independence

1328
01:02:59,608 --> 01:03:02,487
or I want happiness.
What underpins both of them?

1329
01:03:02,487 --> 01:03:05,280
One's easy, although you
don't think about it.

1330
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,115
The other one
maybe a little bit harder,

1331
01:03:07,115 --> 01:03:10,536
is that both of them
need to presuppose

1332
01:03:10,869 --> 01:03:12,954
what the outcome is
that you're looking for.

1333
01:03:12,954 --> 01:03:15,541
The original is easy.
You want this to occur

1334
01:03:15,541 --> 01:03:17,418
and so you find it
which you have it done.

1335
01:03:17,418 --> 01:03:20,963
That's utility done. But if it's
whether it's fun

1336
01:03:20,963 --> 01:03:22,422
or some of these more
complex ones,

1337
01:03:22,422 --> 01:03:25,425
I go to know when to
stop your research,

1338
01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:28,637
you kind of have to set
the hypothesis outside of it

1339
01:03:28,637 --> 01:03:32,057
or the aim that you're looking to
do for a particular thing.

1340
01:03:32,057 --> 01:03:34,726
So I'll give you
as an example, again, practical

1341
01:03:34,726 --> 01:03:39,231
from a health and fitness
perspective. For me, you know,

1342
01:03:37,063 --> 01:03:41,983
it can be a bit murky. I've got
some eminent human

1343
01:03:39,565 --> 01:03:45,153
being levels that have
some articulation

1344
01:03:41,983 --> 01:03:46,655
and a quality of style
of what I want to achieve.

1345
01:03:46,655 --> 01:03:49,324
Not so much quantitative,
but much more qualitative.

1346
01:03:49,324 --> 01:03:51,994
And I go, okay, I want to.
That's my aim.

1347
01:03:51,994 --> 01:03:54,704
And so the research,
the effort that I put into

1348
01:03:54,704 --> 01:03:58,208
things will be to achieve
that particular level.

1349
01:03:58,208 --> 01:04:00,293
Now, it isn't just a line,
in a sense,

1350
01:04:00,293 --> 01:04:03,797
it's a little bit wavy,
but at least I have a bit

1351
01:04:01,753 --> 01:04:05,382
of a guiding post on. Okay, well,
I'm going to find out

1352
01:04:05,382 --> 01:04:07,717
enough information,
put enough hours to get

1353
01:04:07,717 --> 01:04:10,929
to a particular level
that I'm comfortable with

1354
01:04:11,472 --> 01:04:14,432
and that will guide me
into how much I should go

1355
01:04:14,432 --> 01:04:16,643
again in the financial
independence thing.

1356
01:04:16,643 --> 01:04:18,521
Absolutely right.
You need to kind of come in

1357
01:04:18,521 --> 01:04:21,523
even before you do
the research is you have to

1358
01:04:21,523 --> 01:04:23,568
similarly ask yourself
the question back because.

1359
01:04:23,568 --> 01:04:26,737
A question well formed
is half the answer.

1360
01:04:26,903 --> 01:04:29,739
And if you asking
the question of why I want to be

1361
01:04:28,072 --> 01:04:31,492
financially independent, that's
kind of a lame question.

1362
01:04:31,492 --> 01:04:36,664
But if you asking yourself, hey,
I want to be a minimalist

1363
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:39,333
and I only need $30,000
a year to live and I require this

1364
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:43,211
X amount of years,
and then by this year I need this

1365
01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:45,130
because of my family,
you're going to be able

1366
01:04:43,211 --> 01:04:46,047
to get to an inside,
which is much better

1367
01:04:46,047 --> 01:04:49,010
and much more practical for you.
Right? It's

1368
01:04:47,257 --> 01:04:51,971
a very specific thing.
So you have setting up

1369
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:56,266
the right aim at the beginning
helps you answer this question

1370
01:04:53,722 --> 01:04:59,436
of how do you research the aim?
You go as deep

1371
01:04:57,226 --> 01:05:02,356
as to achieve your aim.
And sometimes

1372
01:04:59,436 --> 01:05:03,940
when it's fun, there is
there is no bottom because the

1373
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:06,943
the fun isn't going
deeper is in making the

1374
01:05:07,152 --> 01:05:10,197
it's like a t research.
It's just going

1375
01:05:08,195 --> 01:05:13,409
as deep as you want.
But for others it's

1376
01:05:10,197 --> 01:05:14,869
you go as deep as the aim
to achieve achievement is.

1377
01:05:14,869 --> 01:05:18,581
And once you achieve that,
then you can make a decision

1378
01:05:16,829 --> 01:05:20,583
of kind of going cope.
I've achieved that and now

1379
01:05:19,748 --> 01:05:21,876
you make a decision
do I get more fun

1380
01:05:21,876 --> 01:05:25,338
or do I then start
looking at other things

1381
01:05:22,668 --> 01:05:28,173
entirely? Yeah, Yeah.
So kind of for me, for

1382
01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:30,842
my summary, it's my rule of thumb
is if it's the, you know,

1383
01:05:30,842 --> 01:05:33,387
first of all,
figure out this a fund based one

1384
01:05:33,387 --> 01:05:36,139
or a utility based research
that you're trying to do because

1385
01:05:36,139 --> 01:05:40,811
usually it falls into one.
If it's the utility one,

1386
01:05:37,682 --> 01:05:43,481
make sure it has metrics.
So that I think

1387
01:05:40,811 --> 01:05:46,150
that's really obvious if you're
not enjoying the process

1388
01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:47,568
of what you're doing.
So in this case, for me,

1389
01:05:47,568 --> 01:05:52,364
it was trying to learn Python.
I had this metric of

1390
01:05:49,362 --> 01:05:55,326
I'd like to be able to do
this series of steps of tasks,

1391
01:05:55,451 --> 01:05:59,288
and I learned pretty quickly
to get that, to get to

1392
01:05:57,036 --> 01:06:01,791
the level needed to do that was I
wasn't willing to do that.

1393
01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:05,126
And so that was one
where I kind of kept it

1394
01:06:02,875 --> 01:06:08,380
relatively early. I put in my,
I don't know, 20 hours

1395
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:12,802
to 30 hours of of hard
work on it. I went, okay,

1396
01:06:12,802 --> 01:06:15,346
you know, if research done,
I don't need to go

1397
01:06:14,135 --> 01:06:17,889
further on this.
This is not going to serve me

1398
01:06:17,889 --> 01:06:22,894
for something more like German
language learning, which

1399
01:06:20,101 --> 01:06:25,523
is the fun aspect of me.
I can go down the rabbit

1400
01:06:22,894 --> 01:06:28,025
holes of talking with Pete Smiths
and about the ridiculous

1401
01:06:28,025 --> 01:06:33,489
German crap. Why Angela merkel is
was able to say shitstorm

1402
01:06:33,489 --> 01:06:36,324
on live TV and it didn't
really matter because you know,

1403
01:06:36,324 --> 01:06:38,494
when you take another word
from another language,

1404
01:06:38,494 --> 01:06:42,248
you can kind of get away
with things. That's the one

1405
01:06:40,579 --> 01:06:44,500
where I could just go
deeper and deeper

1406
01:06:42,248 --> 01:06:47,961
and deeper and deeper, and that's
where my metric is. Or like the

1407
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:52,882
rule of thumb would be,
don't fall into you're

1408
01:06:49,838 --> 01:06:54,885
going to fall into habits.
And because you're

1409
01:06:52,882 --> 01:06:59,056
just going to find a show
that you enjoy watching

1410
01:06:54,885 --> 01:07:02,601
or a source that you enjoy
and that you that gives

1411
01:06:59,056 --> 01:07:05,646
you fun, whatever it is.
In that case, just be aware

1412
01:07:05,646 --> 01:07:07,606
that it's probably
going to change over time.

1413
01:07:07,606 --> 01:07:14,530
And so when I look now at the
kind of fun aspect

1414
01:07:11,777 --> 01:07:16,197
that I was having with, okay,
what is it, cryptocurrency

1415
01:07:16,197 --> 01:07:19,159
know it, then that rabbit hole.
And then I went down the Bitcoin

1416
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:21,244
and focussed even deeper
and then I went even

1417
01:07:21,244 --> 01:07:24,581
deeper down into the kind
of like Bitcoin finance

1418
01:07:24,581 --> 01:07:28,376
one and I'm still getting
some pleasure out of it.

1419
01:07:28,376 --> 01:07:31,505
But I have noticed like,
Oh, I've got this habit

1420
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:33,757
of listening to these three
or four different shows

1421
01:07:33,757 --> 01:07:37,927
and as a kind of conglomerate,
they're making me

1422
01:07:35,967 --> 01:07:40,931
a little bit down
because they're generally

1423
01:07:37,927 --> 01:07:43,934
like bad news, you know,
Fiat is fucked, blah, blah, blah,

1424
01:07:43,934 --> 01:07:46,603
recessions coming, this
person doing this thing.

1425
01:07:46,603 --> 01:07:49,898
And I was realising,
okay, this is not as fun

1426
01:07:49,898 --> 01:07:55,195
as much as it was before and I
need to re-evaluate this

1427
01:07:52,358 --> 01:07:59,032
because I, I don't even though
it's still kind of

1428
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:02,036
in the fun category, it's
now having some negative

1429
01:07:59,032 --> 01:08:04,621
utility, much like the game
was for me, which was

1430
01:08:05,998 --> 01:08:10,795
it's hard because I think, look,
if you're doing research,

1431
01:08:10,795 --> 01:08:14,757
you're kind of winning
no matter what. I think that's

1432
01:08:12,922 --> 01:08:16,300
a great position to be in.
You're not wasting your time

1433
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:20,345
on a kind of mindset
winning show. You're actually

1434
01:08:20,345 --> 01:08:22,222
actively out in the
pursuit of something.

1435
01:08:22,222 --> 01:08:26,060
And so even if you go
too far down the rabbit

1436
01:08:23,765 --> 01:08:29,020
hole like I did
with the game stuff,

1437
01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:31,231
and so I was learning,
this is how you speak to a girl,

1438
01:08:31,231 --> 01:08:36,403
this is how you do it
during the day. This is how these

1439
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:39,614
particular psychological tricks
can help you to get

1440
01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:40,448
this type of answer.
And then it was getting

1441
01:08:40,448 --> 01:08:43,452
down to the point
where it's like, you know,

1442
01:08:43,493 --> 01:08:45,954
what was some of the
like body positioning? I told you

1443
01:08:45,954 --> 01:08:49,625
the story of the guy once
who leaning on his hip

1444
01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:52,336
because he wanted
to get his face and body

1445
01:08:52,336 --> 01:08:54,296
as far away from her,
because if you're leaning

1446
01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:56,798
in, that shows interest.
And he took it to this level

1447
01:08:56,798 --> 01:08:59,592
where he's like breaking
his back to basically be,

1448
01:08:59,592 --> 01:09:02,095
you know, showing how far away
he didn't care about her

1449
01:09:03,305 --> 01:09:05,890
even for that to.
Just live on the ground.

1450
01:09:04,347 --> 01:09:07,518
Yeah yeah. Basically like he's
just planking on the ground

1451
01:09:07,518 --> 01:09:11,354
is talking up to this chick
and that's like the most

1452
01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:14,108
alpha thing ever.
Even for him, I would say.

1453
01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:15,943
Yeah, he probably
went down too deep,

1454
01:09:15,943 --> 01:09:20,405
much like I went down too deep.
I had to get rid of some crap.

1455
01:09:20,405 --> 01:09:23,408
It was still intensely
beneficial for me

1456
01:09:23,533 --> 01:09:29,747
to have gone that. And so
if you know, 0%

1457
01:09:26,744 --> 01:09:34,127
not learning at all,
180% or 200%, I went to date,

1458
01:09:32,501 --> 01:09:37,131
I think going
200% is preferable to zero

1459
01:09:34,127 --> 01:09:39,966
0%. Yep. So yeah, that was,
that was kind of just my,

1460
01:09:38,423 --> 01:09:42,761
my thoughts were it's like yeah
if you researching, I mean

1461
01:09:42,761 --> 01:09:44,889
even if you go to date,
it's probably going to be okay.

1462
01:09:44,889 --> 01:09:46,765
You're probably
doing all right and

1463
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:53,855
you just have to go
to like 15,000%

1464
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:56,859
where you're at the most
absolute insane

1465
01:09:53,855 --> 01:10:00,695
conspiracy theory ever
that the utility is having

1466
01:09:56,859 --> 01:10:02,823
a real, real detrimental
impact on your life. Yeah.

1467
01:10:02,823 --> 01:10:06,368
But yeah, it's just give me a
maybe for the next episode.

1468
01:10:06,368 --> 01:10:08,578
We could do something
on Curiosity as well,

1469
01:10:06,993 --> 01:10:12,875
because I think that's kind
of linked to research. It's like,

1470
01:10:10,247 --> 01:10:14,210
why are you actually researching?
Because someone called me

1471
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:18,213
curious the other day
and I was like, I think that's

1472
01:10:16,002 --> 01:10:22,301
a best way to describe me.
But when I look at it

1473
01:10:18,213 --> 01:10:24,011
most of those times and things
that I listen to,

1474
01:10:24,011 --> 01:10:28,724
they are a research type
based one. I'm trying to get

1475
01:10:26,512 --> 01:10:31,476
something out of it.
It's not deadening my mind.

1476
01:10:31,476 --> 01:10:35,230
So curiosity. Curiosity.
We'll talk about next, folks.

1477
01:10:35,230 --> 01:10:38,317
Yeah. Think that I'm a good
episode for next week. Good.

1478
01:10:38,317 --> 01:10:40,903
Okay, well, Miyamoto,
let's think of getting to

1479
01:10:39,193 --> 01:10:42,070
this part of the episode.
Now, we did promise

1480
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:43,738
we're going to get back
a little bit to

1481
01:10:43,738 --> 01:10:46,742
what are these bruise diagrams?
What is Bitcoin? I mean, if you

1482
01:10:46,742 --> 01:10:48,452
asking that question of
what is Bitcoin?

1483
01:10:48,452 --> 01:10:51,162
Okay, bullet points,
a better podcast, to be honest,

1484
01:10:49,953 --> 01:10:52,872
to be listening to that.
Alex But if you want to

1485
01:10:52,872 --> 01:10:56,585
participate in the space
of giving valid back to us,

1486
01:10:56,585 --> 01:10:58,545
given that we've given you
some value back to you,

1487
01:10:58,545 --> 01:11:02,173
how can folks at home support us?
Karen Yes, I probably

1488
01:11:02,173 --> 01:11:03,759
one of the best ways
is to check out

1489
01:11:03,759 --> 01:11:08,972
the other various podcasts
that we have. So if you enjoyed

1490
01:11:06,177 --> 01:11:13,143
some of the books that we've
mentioned in here, check out

1491
01:11:11,557 --> 01:11:15,229
the memos, book reviews,
if you enjoy the philosophical

1492
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:17,981
or philosophical
aspect of value for value.

1493
01:11:17,981 --> 01:11:24,070
I've got a show
called Value for Value. I suppose

1494
01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:27,740
like the once again
that this is going to get

1495
01:11:24,654 --> 01:11:30,703
refined and absolutely.
And so give me some time.

1496
01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:32,954
But I think
the most important aspect

1497
01:11:32,954 --> 01:11:36,082
to recognise as we do
all of this upfront,

1498
01:11:36,875 --> 01:11:40,087
free of cost, there's never going
to be advertising or sponsorships

1499
01:11:40,087 --> 01:11:48,429
or anything like that. Well.
For never all the. Folks never

1500
01:11:48,429 --> 01:11:50,305
going to get me trigger,
you got me mad

1501
01:11:50,305 --> 01:11:55,269
and have to post something else.
Side. It's going to be like

1502
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:57,354
advertising is the devil
bears no advertising,

1503
01:11:55,269 --> 01:12:00,106
none of that.
So So where do we you

1504
01:11:57,354 --> 01:12:01,149
know, how do we fund this?
How do we get value from this?

1505
01:12:01,149 --> 01:12:03,902
Well, we just ask that
you return it to us, basically.

1506
01:12:03,902 --> 01:12:08,532
So we do it all free of
cost, free of charge, consume it.

1507
01:12:08,532 --> 01:12:10,408
We hope
we put out a good product.

1508
01:12:10,408 --> 01:12:13,912
But if you want to be
one of those people who does

1509
01:12:12,493 --> 01:12:15,163
send in some value,
you can do it many ways.

1510
01:12:15,163 --> 01:12:18,500
And some of these ways
all combine. So if you look at

1511
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:20,711
some of the messages
that Peter sent in,

1512
01:12:20,711 --> 01:12:26,632
it gave us great content.
It, you know, or the Bitcoin dad,

1513
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:29,552
he helped me out and
in a strategic decision

1514
01:12:27,134 --> 01:12:31,305
that will have
some utility in my life

1515
01:12:31,305 --> 01:12:35,141
and from a talented place
because he's doing it

1516
01:12:33,015 --> 01:12:36,894
himself and he's sending
a bit of treasure, a bit of money

1517
01:12:36,894 --> 01:12:38,561
attached to it, That's
like a three banner.

1518
01:12:38,561 --> 01:12:40,605
Three bang up.
You can tell on treasure.

1519
01:12:40,605 --> 01:12:42,399
Yeah, you can split that
up into different one.

1520
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:44,193
So if you just want
to share the show

1521
01:12:44,193 --> 01:12:46,694
with someone else, you know,
hit the share button

1522
01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:48,404
on your phone or your desktop
or wherever it is

1523
01:12:48,404 --> 01:12:53,077
that you're listening via.
If you've got some talent

1524
01:12:50,323 --> 01:12:55,328
and you are an expert
in some of these things,

1525
01:12:53,077 --> 01:12:57,081
if you are a hell
like a researcher,

1526
01:12:57,081 --> 01:12:58,748
being a researcher,
it's your job.

1527
01:12:58,748 --> 01:13:01,752
I would love to know what
you think of the actual

1528
01:13:02,211 --> 01:13:04,587
utility of research
when to stop that,

1529
01:13:04,587 --> 01:13:06,547
that would be immensely
valuable to know.

1530
01:13:06,547 --> 01:13:11,845
And then if you want to send us
some some payment,

1531
01:13:08,841 --> 01:13:14,555
some money to help us, you know,
with audio hosting with the

1532
01:13:14,555 --> 01:13:16,975
all the other expenses
that we have,

1533
01:13:16,975 --> 01:13:19,603
if you go down to our show notes,
you'll see two links there.

1534
01:13:19,603 --> 01:13:24,315
One is for the PayPal.
So if you want to send us

1535
01:13:21,604 --> 01:13:26,025
in money the easy way,
if you want to dive down

1536
01:13:24,315 --> 01:13:29,904
into the value for value
model of the research and try out

1537
01:13:27,485 --> 01:13:31,698
a podcasting app which has this
boost button in it

1538
01:13:31,698 --> 01:13:34,576
so you can send us money
in the actual app.

1539
01:13:34,576 --> 01:13:37,996
Yeah, go to new podcast
app Stockholm and you'll

1540
01:13:37,996 --> 01:13:40,873
find a list of them there
and just try one out there. Yeah.

1541
01:13:40,873 --> 01:13:42,792
So it depends on how far
you can get

1542
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:44,293
with the research tracks.
You can go real deep

1543
01:13:42,792 --> 01:13:45,503
if you'd like. We can go live
and you can support,

1544
01:13:45,503 --> 01:13:48,131
as in otherwise
we'll leave it there.

1545
01:13:48,131 --> 01:13:51,217
And for those at home
have been tuning in once again,

1546
01:13:49,382 --> 01:13:54,680
we are live 7 p.m. Brisbane,
Australia, Eastern Standard Time

1547
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:58,434
on the Wednesdays. It is the 19th
of July 2023. We we'll

1548
01:13:57,724 --> 01:14:05,023
to leave it there for
you. That is UTC plus ten plus

1549
01:14:02,186 --> 01:14:11,238
ten for for us. So that would be
so UTC ten Australian

1550
01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:15,826
Eastern Standard Time
and the actual UTC would be what?

1551
01:14:16,659 --> 01:14:18,494
Ten. Yeah,
that would be like ten.

1552
01:14:18,494 --> 01:14:21,582
10 a.m. right.
Yes. Yes. Plus ten. Yeah.

1553
01:14:21,582 --> 01:14:27,921
So ten UTC ten.
A What does UTC sample. Universal

1554
01:14:25,418 --> 01:14:33,676
coordinated time. So UTC, UCT
Yeah. Yeah. I was like I was like

1555
01:14:30,756 --> 01:14:34,720
am I getting it all up
and without facts?

1556
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,971
Will we leave them in
more alliance

1557
01:14:36,971 --> 01:14:41,768
guessing if it's UTC or the UTC?
That's it. Juan out. Kyrin out.

1558
01:14:41,768 --> 01:14:44,563
Good