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We're analysing what I got up to in 2025 and changing my focus to the future.

In Episode #494 of 'Musings', Juan & I discuss: tax-optimising mistakes/language detours, fantastic one‑arm handstand progress, an only ok year in review, a new overarching theme of revitalising hunger/focus, quarterly fitness blocks (legs, pull, running, endurance) with side quests like ballet and the Brisbane Marathon 2026, moving house to get out of a malaise, pruning relationships, moderating sugar, reworking financial information diets and embracing courageous conversations.

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Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:20) Setting the theme: annual goals and approach
(00:04:58) Money lessons: don’t optimise for tax
(00:07:00) Language goals stall and tech’s impact on learning
(00:10:41) Partner goal: creating serendipity and effort
(00:13:20) Health wins and one‑arm handstand progress
(00:17:06) Character work: taming unhelpful thinking
(00:20:31) Reflections on the year: neither stellar nor dire
(00:24:44) Boostagram lounge and experiments with community
(00:30:33) Overarching focus for 2025: rekindling drive
(00:34:58) Doing hard things: rejection, social skills, charisma
(00:37:36) Redefining the partner goal: bonding over checklists
(00:42:22) Relationships: courageous conversations and feedback
(00:43:35) Finance 2025: fewer voices, more fundamentals
(00:46:01) Health by quarters: legs, pull, running, endurance
(00:49:19) Travel and environment: moving house over Asia
(00:50:45) Character vices, sex talk, and moderating sugar
(00:51:48) Media diet overhaul: filtering inputs and thoughts
(00:53:57) Wrapping the 2025 plan and next steps
(00:56:40) Listener ruts, timing goals, and building community

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[00:00:07] Juan Granados:

Welcome   back Mere Mortalites. It is the September 28. It is Sunday. It is 9AM. We are live once again   for all the more lines at home we're gonna be talking about today. Obviously, I was gonna  

[00:00:22] Kyrin Down:

you got your bucks. Hang on. You got my bucks on my on my wrist as well. Last week, we had a slight mishap,   Juan's bux party. Correct. I got them trashed. Absolutely  

[00:00:31] Juan Granados:

destroyed. Puking everywhere. Yep. Over this much sip of a beer. Correct. And that is. Yeah, that is. So if you're if you're going to do a box, what are the things that you can imagine that you want to get right? You wanna be throwing up. You wanna be feeling sorry for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you wanna have, friends and do some fun stuff. So all of those things were ticked off. Unfortunately,   or fortunately, it wasn't because of drinking. It was actually either a sore stomach from a couple of sicknesses I've had a little while, maybe motion sickness because we went go karting.   Whatever it was, I was pretty messed up from very early on in the evening, not even even afternoon.  

So yes, that's why we went around for the last week. And two weeks before or three weeks before was when you were sick with the Proper, proper sick. So yes. Sorry for the for the That's the line. Yes. So me and more lights out there, if you're sick, stay away from me. No one's gonna be around me if I'm sick, so stay away. Yes.   Glad I'm in close proximity. Wearing what I wanna go as bucks, just to keep on living that spirit. Now today, we're gonna be talking about goals. We generally do monthly goals   and   reference our annual goals as well. I did mine a couple of months ago, two months ago to be exact. Yep. Three months ago. Yeah. Two months ago. So now we're gonna be hearing Karen's annual goals, of which he gave me some insight into one of them yesterday, but this is gonna be pretty fresh. I have no clue what the goals are. So I think the easiest way is Kyrin will be doing a lot of talking. Maybe I'll Sure. Inquire into particular things, question some things. Things. If you're listening to this live, by the way, feel free to drop a comment. If you wanna ask any other questions or clarifying things, I'll I'll look at it when we do the boostgram lounge in the middle bit, and then maybe at the end if you've got any other questions as well. Sure. So,  

[00:02:07] Kyrin Down:

Kyrin , I think I might round up 2025,   The 20242025.   Sure. As as a start off. So yeah, I start mine in October just for those know.   Always recommend doing that. I was telling a lot of people yesterday, like, it's good. It's good to just do it. Not busy time of the year. Don't do New Year's resolutions. Do it better time. So as usual, they are linked to the my eight kind of like long term goals.   And,   another little fun fact here is I've actually tweaked those as well. So just the wording on them.   Do I have it on my phone?  

[00:02:42] Juan Granados:

Probably better for another time. But you know, I wrote those. We could do it. I've conversational stuff. I'm thinking of I'm thinking of tweaking  

[00:02:49] Kyrin Down:

my like top three levels as well so we can do that with something. Yeah, sounds good. And but yeah, the main reason was that like I wrote them when I think I was 25,   26,   maybe 24. And I just, you know, there was just some things in there. Some of the wording, I was like, you know, I was a bit more obsessed with, like, masculinity back then. And   I don't I don't care about that anymore.   So it just made sense for me to be like, oh, I'll tweak this. So these are linked to those.   So,   right at the end of this,   of what I said last year was   finding a partner and one on handstand above all else, you think I'm deviating from these? Please call me out and partner will take precedence if necessary. Notice nothing about the podcast in here. If anything, I was going to try and do less. And then I had, you know, media consumption should be around language learning, AI architecture, podcasting two point zero, one on handstand and happy things crypto slash backed by the bare minimum,   even though that wasn't a goal. Boy, did I fail that one. Holy shit, was that bad? That one is honestly.  



[00:03:54] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, do you want to go down now? I was going to say that you completely missed the mark on on that one. Yeah. So financially  

[00:04:00] Kyrin Down:

my so we're doing these out of order financial be decisive and stay calm slash rational slash skeptical.   I fucked that up so badly.   Good Lord. That was  

[00:04:11] Juan Granados:

a. Now, did you fuck that up badly and did it result in a bad outcome? No, no. So  

[00:04:17] Kyrin Down:

financially, I'm totally fine. Yeah. The thing that I fucked up and which   I probably should have known better, I'd heard this before, but should have known better.   Don't   optimize your finances   around tax.   Tax should kind of be like   that.   I don't know what like   something you do in the last like   90% of like, here's a consideration like you're doing all of these things. And   if you  

[00:04:47] Juan Granados:

want to like, try and minimize your tax. Oh, look, I'll make a caveat just because I've seen it though, I'll say,   and   this goes globally, because my place is apart from your place that doesn't get taxed, but there's a certain threshold of income that makes sense to start like worrying about that. But me, you, a lot of the people who are listening to this, we're not, we're not, I'm thinking   beyond 5,000,000   income or like 50,000,000 asset,   then like definitely set up your tax structures in the correct ways. People who earn a lot of property, like you're aware of this, like good setups in that.   For us, it kind of doesn't really make sense in the effort, other costs and whatever that just would be like, just just pay that tax. Yeah, yep. So I was basing my decisions on like, okay,  

[00:05:34] Kyrin Down:

I'm, I want to try to minimize tax in the future, but I was   letting that kind of override. Okay, well, you know, that's nice and all, but you only need to pay tax if you're making money. And if you're like actually locking in gains and things like that.   And I probably should have done that. I should have utilized that more like the financial year more. And so,   you know, when   looking shit ran up in January, I, I saw the hype, I felt the hype.   I almost cashed out a bit, but it was like, but this doesn't really get into like what I was thinking, what my plan was   stuffed up. I definitely wasn't staying rational and skeptical. And so  

[00:06:16] Juan Granados:

This happens and this happens to all of us. This is not, immaterial. I only just I'll share this. I won't go specific, but I recently finished off our tax, which is still finalizing it through. And there's a concept in Australia, probably most places that this tax loss is carried forward, which basically if you've got a tax loss, you can carry it forward and you can negate any capital gains.   My tax losses   move forward are still almost approaching 6 figures. So I have a lot of tax. I've got a lot of gains to offset from previous irrational movements that I've made. Great. You know, there's a lot of tax laws are sitting there in the That's that advice. Correct, correct. Yeah. Do you want to maximize your tax losses? Listen to them models. Right, plenty of tax losses to come. Good Lord. All right.  

[00:06:58] Kyrin Down:

So   jumping on to just others.   We'll do this out of order. This will be fun. Another one is stuffed up and didn't do a travel ability to switch languages rapidly. So this was learning like how to keep portuguese and German   and Spanish   read reading some books in another language. I think I might have been doing at least some of that retraining my German didn't really do disciple competency I wanted and do replace me to a second language didn't do   like   essentially,   I   used   my German   to let's say I put,   I don't know, two hundred hours of German practice in a Duolingo.   I'm if I spent an hour and a half   in Germany using my German, I will be surprised. So in terms of a time investment.  

Which is huge. Yeah. Thankfully that was all in the previous year. True. Yeah. I was going to travel   travel Germany a lot quicker.   But yeah, you know, looking over the years, another fun thing I was doing was when setting the goals for this next year was going through my   all of my old ones. So I've got a list here of twenty, twenty one, 22, 23, 24.   And the things in there were travel, basic German and advanced Spanish travel completed one hour German combo,   travel, prioritize German and Spanish combos and   travel experience and spontaneity   versus over diligence. So you could see it was very language the   end   of   that is kind of inside. Yeah. I don't really see the end of that is kind of insight. Yeah. I don't really see myself ever   going down that path again unless I have real   need for a new challenge.  



[00:08:49] Juan Granados:

So these or something like. I knew I knew something like this would have come at at some point. Sorry. Not not specifically to your goals, but if you are, say, an Apple user, Ryan, and you're the latest Apple headphones, and again, there's probably some delay to it. But I have heard personally and seen some videos of the latest headphones, people using them. Apparently does translate the whatever language it is quite quickly, like quite, quite quickly.   And I could just imagine in   seven years time, maybe less, it would be really, really   quick uptake in terms of like the language being whether it's like glasses or headphones or whatever it is that use would be so quick and really I can only see language learning for the cultural aspects for the understanding of concepts and ideas that are more foundational, which is still important, which is still important. But the actual   like split for a speech and like getting yourself on suit, I'm like, man, I can really see that starting to go away.  



[00:09:42] Kyrin Down:

It becomes more of I guess, what would you call like a lost art in some sense? So let's think of something like calligraphy   or, you know, being able to handcraft a Japanese sword from   scratch using the old methods.   You know, you could probably craft a better, more stronger ball, durable sword. Yeah, I would say I would say it's like aluminum or something. It's like it's functional.  

[00:10:04] Juan Granados:

It's like more nonfunctional. It's more a hobby. It's more out of joy. It's more out of passion. It's not out of need. You don't need it. No, no, no. Absolutely not. And to highlight this, my brother's going to  

[00:10:16] Kyrin Down:

Colombia next year. His girlfriend's Colombian meeting her family and they are   looking at buying just two pairs these things so he can talk with   her mum. Oh, okay. Cool. And in that so yep. So that one I would say. Yeah, didn't really do do well in   whatever. I'm not that   fast. Way to do it. Yeah.   So probably,   you know, most important one here was the partner maximizing surface area for serendipity.   You know, I think I did this in the sense like I got out a lot.   I certainly had more   opportunities to meet people   than I that I had probably these last couple of years.  

Has it really helped? Not particularly.   I, I did the goal in a sense. So,   did I find a partner? No.  

[00:11:08] Juan Granados:

Well, I think your goal was just to create the opportunity for that to occur. So I think there was more opportunities.  

[00:11:15] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. More surface areas were touched. And a lot of that, I guess, was   so coming into these, my mindset was,   so mum had passed away. I'd been traveling Brazil for a little bit and I was coming back to Australia. I was like, Okay, what can I do when I come back to   kind of really make the most of this next year? And I remember coming in with like a lot of like energy. Like when I was writing all this stuff in Brazil, I was going to do this, going to do that. Yeah, it's going to put in a ton of energy. And even at the time, I knew like, I'm probably not going to like   attack this really as hard. It's   one of the other goals maintain tranquil monk energy and cultivate a driving purpose. And it was kind of like that driving purpose.  

It'd be going forward and it needed to like,   have energy givers.   I was in a really   great frame of mind in Brazil for that, like,   one bit where it was just like, all right, you know, here's a new start, a fresh start, which is kind of what I needed after mom passed away. And it's part of the reason why I was traveling, traveling Brazil. It's like I had this feel of I need to get out of Australia   and then   I can coming back and I need to be doing something.   I'm giving myself like kind of 50% for both of those goals. Okay. I made an effort, but   I certainly wasn't working super hard. And you'll, you'll see   how that has changed for perhaps these next year's goals. Okay.  

Relationships solidify and expand slightly. So this was, you know,   setting aside dedicated time for people, be more attentive to changes, just in relationships, organize more get togethers. Yeah. I'll give myself like 8090% for that.  

[00:12:54] Juan Granados:

Yep. Sound like you were going to a lot of events, organizing things doing things. Yeah. You know, even just yesterday,  

[00:13:01] Kyrin Down:

kind of made what potentially might be a new friendship group.   I certainly   feel really established in the gym, for example.  

[00:13:11] Juan Granados:

So many time was was at a coffee shop yesterday and he got recognized. He got recognized. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sawan ago. Shout out to Sawan ago. Sawan ago.  

[00:13:20] Kyrin Down:

So yeah, that that one I I'd say I did pretty well in   health.   So one arm hamstring to the detriment of all else. So this was saying like   dropping a yoga   running only if you can if it doesn't take away doing golf only if you can restudy with fresh eyes.   Really happy with that one. Really, really happy. I found I felt like I actually made some progress.   I can consistently get a   five to six seconds on any given day now.  

[00:13:50] Juan Granados:

That's awesome. I mean, again, if you reflect back to probably the previous annual goals that we were doing, I think   I think at that point, you're kind of talking about like you'd gotten like a two second one or you were just holding it. And again, if you go back another year, I remember you talking basically like, I'm able to do it with two hands and on fingertips for like fifteen seconds. Right? So again, this is like,   because you're at the   bare edge of those percentages, it's like, yeah, it's gonna take that much more effort to get that little extra incremental. But because we sometimes just talk about it annually, it's like, oh, shit. Yeah. Now you're doing five, six seconds when back in the day you were like, Fuck, I just want to do it like for a second or two. Yeah. A lot of this, I guess, was injuries.  

[00:14:30] Kyrin Down:

Every time I kind of started to ramp up into it, I would get injured.   If it was first, it was kind of tendonitis. And that was because I was working on a lot of muscle ups and pull ups Cali work at the same time.   The next time,   I   so then, you know, kind of dealing with tendonitis trying to fix that.   That was probably like 2023, I guess.   2022   actually it was right when I turned 30. So 2022   coming into like 2023 that was still like niggling and I was still maybe doing a little bit, but I was working on other things as well.   I was,  

[00:15:06] Juan Granados:

the running was before that, but you know, it was just other stuff. If you're in your teens and your twenties, honestly, go wild, go bananas, do everything, your body can handle it. I think now we're starting to see now thirties and I'm sure this just keeps on going in the same sort of similar pattern. It's you got to just get focused in on the things that you care about. You're not able to do everything. I can't do all the things that I was doing when I was in my 20s. I'm gonna get injured. I'm gonna get too sore, whatever. So the fact that you're like, Yeah, I'm gonna focus in, get them doing it. I mean, you've been doing it now for seven years, something like that. Handsense. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I went to bouldering yesterday. And  

[00:15:38] Kyrin Down:

just after five climbs   of   very,   very average climbing technique, you know,  

[00:15:46] Juan Granados:

I'm holding your body out. Gripping.  

[00:15:49] Kyrin Down:

There's this guy there, not a bald dude, probably not too dissimilar for me in terms of like body shape, maybe a little bit smaller, more like if I had to say you look like a b boy and some sort of thing. Yeah. And man, this dude was effortless. Just.   I don't. Flowing up the wall. Yeah. Like, what's going on? It kind of reminds me of like when I go to the Calisthenics Park, I'll jump on the just,   we call the the bars. Monkey bars. Monkey bars. Yeah. And I can go across them really smooth because I've been doing that. I do that every time I go there basically for, I don't know, last five years. I can do that really, really smooth. That's what that guy was like.   But going everything. But with everything. So yeah, I was Bruce Streck strengthening up and after   10 climbs I was, I was just like, Yeah, I've got a bunch of pain, like, in my lower back over here and up on here, and I probably shouldn't be doing much more. Yeah. And the guy I was with, Wiki, thankfully was also   was like,   yeah, yeah. I saw man those those fucking shoes destroy feet. You want ballerina feet as a dude? Do Broc Llam and bouldering. That's that's the way to go.  

So yeah, really great.   Felt I did super well.   The last   two that I had here were around character and knowledge skills. So restrain weak Kyren.   In a way it was good. In a way it was bad. I'll give myself like 40%.  

[00:17:16] Juan Granados:

Maybe 40 to 60. Some return was found and then sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. So  

[00:17:21] Kyrin Down:

things I wrote down make note of like triggers leading to bad habits, unhelpful thoughts, fantasizing,   catastrophizing,   unproductive overthinking,   poor priorities, low confidence.   Yeah. I'd say like   60 of the year I was probably pretty good. And then there would still be 40% where I was just like   thinking unhelpfully   getting stuck in a like a bit of a   rut, stuff like that.   It's okay.   So it's certainly not I read a journal recently of when I was in my   so   it was me reflecting as a 21 year old on my teens.   And I   yeah, my activity. Yeah, I was in a good place then that would have been like 95%   really unhelpful   overthinking.  

Yeah. So better in that sense.   And just with everything that happened with mum as well, you know, it's, it's not too bad. Like,   I wasn't dwelling on her too, too much and her passing, but there were still moments where I was like,   very kind of like angry at the universe. You want to call it like that, something like that.   So yeah,   could have done better, could have done less. And then last one here, learn how to use A. I. And so this was,   using smart agents,   perhaps feeding my gym data, creating graphs from that didn't really do that. Reducing podcast work.   In a sense, yes, because Pod Home   creates it. So   it's like a cheat code by joining them. But we   perhaps wouldn't be on Pod Home and not have that,   find useful podcasts, YouTube channels, deeper understanding of the infrastructure, rules of thumb for prompting   in the sense of learning about AI almost zero. I,   you know, learned a little bit about transformers,   tried reading the   transformer  

[00:19:15] Juan Granados:

paper, the transformers or the attention paper. Yeah. Yeah. 2017.  

[00:19:20] Kyrin Down:

Tried reading it, didn't really understand it, didn't really bother to   try and understand it deeper either. So in that sense, no, but in the sense of actually using it,   I, yeah, I use it every day and   it's   mostly as a search tool, but it's becoming more for, Okay, like here's   a task I want you to do. Here's some data crunch through the numbers for me.   Give me a bit of deeper dive on x y z topic.   In that sense,   I   am better but still could probably have a bit of room to to do more. So yeah, that was that was kind of my goals for 2025   overall.  

Reasonably happy with it. Wouldn't say it was a stellar year nor was it super terrible. Terrible either. It's kind of just trucking along in in some senses.   Just checking to see if there's any comments. Yeah. Any, I can see him over here. Okay.   Any big learnings or anything like that?   No, not really.   But I had some learnings upon, like, the reflections from it and   moving into   next year, a couple of things that I, I want slash need to change. Okay. Yeah.  

[00:20:32] Juan Granados:

We'll get it.  

[00:20:34] Kyrin Down:

What was your feeling for your 2025   as well?  

[00:20:40] Juan Granados:

And even though we only did the episode two months, two months ago. Yeah. Look, I think that the the goals for the previous year, there was quite a few like the podcast round. There was some change, those movements.   There was   Moving houses. Yeah, moving house. I think overall it was, it was a wedding, like majorly the wedding, which I think that kind of like took up a lot of the time and space in a good way. So I mean, there was a lot of like live activities   that kind of fell upon that. Whereas   this year, it's starting to shift more towards,   oh, this little baby on the way. But   the,   like, more focus on   knowledge and things I'm trying to improve. I don't think I talked about just recently in another like solo episode I did was like,   probably now,   I think it's different when you're younger, but probably now the difference between like the trophies or thinking of, like an outcome that I want to get versus just like the habits.  

Or the actions is like so much different and so much   more valuable as in even now the annual goals I've got for this year. And I'm like, reflecting back, I'm like, it's not actually helpful to say, I want to reach   $1,200,000 in assets or 1.3. Like it's kind of not helpful   versus saying   maybe the habit that I want to set up is that   90% of the time I wake up at this time and I do my morning routine and I'm building towards like that level of habit because that habit will then ensue all the other stuff that I want. So I think one of the lessons I look back on on the previous goals, I was like, okay, that's,   I've talked about this like personally with other friends. It's like,   I don't know any more trophies that I want to obtain. Yeah, there's like some far off interesting ideas that I have but   if they were not to get be accomplished like fucking that's fine totally fine. Yeah. So now it's I think more   I can definitely see a shift in me of   the goals having to be more about habits or actions or practices than anything else.  

Especially, that's gonna be interesting because when you were saying some of these things   to be able to, previous year goals, I was like, I wonder if some of these will start changing either   because of the speed of just learning, let's just say like AI or other things, or it becomes a case of   once you reach, let's just say, finding a partner, you've got a partner and then that's working through even your goal starts shifting much more to like, okay, well, that's been obtained.   And maybe the trophies that you're after, like the things that you're after have been obtained, then it's like, okay,   what are the what are the things that you start like focusing in on or caring about? So you're doing that they might go from trophies or things to okay, habit, whatever action. Do you ever see yourself on a stage at any point in your life in the future,  

[00:23:18] Kyrin Down:

receiving award or something like,   you know,   one one's stepping on the stage sees one like player's player of the year for some sort of team. Definitely not. Definitely not. Most, most,  

[00:23:29] Juan Granados:

I don't know. X, Y, Z. As usual, as usual, most people like a lot of people I know are like this where it's not necessarily that we like praise. Like we don't not that you don't need praise, which is very different. I don't need praise and no one like praise. I think it's two different things. I don't necessarily   like praise. So if someone wants to say like, oh, you've won an award for let's just say with a top podcaster in Brisbane. I don't know if I would really   appreciate kind of receiving a award. I might be called out for that. Not really.   But   praise is good. I would be like, oh, that's awesome. Like I'm happy that that's been recognized, but I don't necessarily need like something offered for me or like be called out to celebrate that. So I have different things in relation to that. That's recognition is another word. Yeah. I could even see myself to be honest. I could see myself creating   whether it's a book or other content or other material doing it, under an alias name. I could see that. I could definitely see that. If I've got a fantasy, it's usually of like me cloaked in the shadows. Yeah. It's like. I turned   this age together. Story of you like,   being in like a cave out in like Ayers Rock, Olumo or something like that.  



[00:24:36] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Yeah. Creating a creating like a monolithic   piece of artwork that's not discovered for two hundred years. God.  

[00:24:43] Juan Granados:

I'll just quickly run through the boostagram lens because we haven't actually done this for a little while. So I will just call out that we've received a lot of sets on the way from the late bloomer actor listening to a lot of the podcasts, which has been awesome. So I really appreciate that. It's probably other stranger to come through, but no boostagrams.   So no trucks, no trucks, people, no trucks. That's what happens.   Again, I will call out. So I'll I'll use this little moment that   Gary Vaynerchuk and previously towards him, Steve Bartlett, they kinda like promoted and talked about product called Stan. Now I was like, you know what? We got free access given the friends series one. So I was like, cool. I'll try that. Karen, let me know about it. And I created a little like community. So it's separate to our Discord. It's got to be just like chat up. And if you want to just drop in and chat, okay, we'll just do that and we share things in there. But the community I kind of created was like, I think I made it like $3.95   a month to us. And if you go in there and basically it's going to be specifically about like goals, aims, shit like that. So you want to go on something like that and it's more so you can share it, you can talk directly about it, help out in like in a sort of community like environment. I got no one in there at the moment. So if you want to get that support,   cool. I'll try it out.  

We'll see. We'll see how like it initiates,   but at the same time in that space, especially with the Gary Vaynerchuk community or whatever, I've actually put out a call being like, if you want to have a half hour conversation on the podcast,   present your idea and just have a bit of a chat. Obviously, it helps us. We create some content if it's interesting and they get the same. So if someone's already, bit the bullet or someone wants to do that, so I'll send them an email this morning. But I've got a couple also I will call out. I've got one, two, two interviews already on the hook for October, and obviously that one will be a third one. So Nice. Nice. Cranking up the the interview piece, I think. Mind me to put that link in the show notes. Yeah. At least from, you know, just growing perspective as in growing and I'm talking from like a viewership perspective and getting all the different eyeballs. I think interview is kind of like a a no brainer to do. It's a let it go. The thing is it does take effort. It does take time. So I'm gonna I'm gonna look to put a bit more effort on that front as opposed to because like, you know, we we talked about this, whether it's book reviews or the other stuff, we just haven't seen that much interaction on some of these things. Right? Yeah. I, yeah, we probably need to have discussion about the future of the Booster Grand Lounge at some point. Yeah. Look, and again, so if you're listening to this, make comment. We do have people coming through from a Booster Grand perspective and using it.   Gary Vaynerchuk on a recent video talked about like, there's gonna be these platforms in the future where you can send cryptocurrency to each other and, you know, there won't be a middleman. I'm like, that already exists.  

And then he's kind of talking about how Stan that you enabled that because it goes to direct payment. This already exists. I'm just waiting for the day when like someone's gonna integrate this into something like that and people will be like, oh my God, this is amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, like, I just don't know. What is that again? If you if you participate success. Yeah. If you participate in the space again, like, we do support it and we do appreciate it. But at some point, right, we've six years. Six years, we've been doing the podcast, right? September. Yeah. So it's six years. At some point, we're gonna be like, okay. We're gonna put some traction and we're gonna put some   I'll give you another comparison. Are we talking about David Serna from Founders?  

Who talking to Tim Forrest just recently? He did for five and a half years with basically nobody listening to him. Like literally nobody.   Same thing with Chris Williamson for three years. I think most of his plays were like zero. Like not even his mum was watching it. It was literal zero. So there is obviously sometimes when people kick off for whatever reason. I think we've also done certain things for a while. Time to try something new. So Yeah. Yeah. We'll obviously we'll have a conversation about that. If you've got any thoughts of it on and off, though. Comment on it. I'd tell I'd say the other thing is like, you know, they they probably still were putting in as much effort as they were in their kind of like peak. So like if I was still putting in as much effort as I was in 2021, it's the podcast. And  

[00:28:27] Kyrin Down:

then I think the outcome right now would be rather different in terms of   where we're at and   viewership and   guest guest guest quality,   opportunities,   things like that.   But yeah, yeah. Priorities change as well. So true. Yeah, there's   a what I would say you get you got you get out what you put in and  

[00:28:50] Juan Granados:

as you saw from my goals last year, like I've not been putting in. Yeah, it was a lot of it. Like for a long for a long time. I think everyone to be aware, there's very much been a hobby, something that is   something that we just enjoy doing or playing back, right? And if for whatever reason we need to pause and stop doing it, then we do it. But obviously   you can you can tell us directly, obviously, with some funds and stuff like that, if you wanna see something in particular or different.   So, but sure that's been the big round. Let's let's have a look at what's coming ahead for current year. Let's see where his focus is going to lie. Yep. So  

[00:29:22] Kyrin Down:

do you want to hear the goals first and just like   me just list them out without any context? Do you want to hear like the overall arching thing? Nah, I want to hear overarching context and then we'll go one by one on them. Okay. So   I guess,   for the main type of thing was revitalizing   my hunger, driving and striving.   I would say I've been lazy in a or complacent maybe as a another I think complacent is probably a better word. Yeah.   In the sense that,   whilst I   have a pretty decent routine and I still undoubtedly put in effort to things.   Focus has probably   been lacking in many respects. And I'd say this like intellectually,   you can see that in the book reviews, which were like all over the shop.  

And not particularly like driven on a particular thing. Like, you know, I once did that Australia book reviews and I just read Australian books. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Like that. Yeah. Because   the general focus the last year has been a lot on like financial stuff, which has been helpful. But then I'd be mixing it with like, random politics last month.   Or there was, you know, just like,   bits and pieces. It was it was kind of like haphazard in a way.   I'd say   other than the training last year for the one arm Hansen, everything else has kind of been very similar, like,   approaches to socializing with people kind of haphazard and I would I was just going with the flow   and a bit of cruising. Cruise control was on. Yeah. And other aspects of life. Yep. And I think I even mentioned this in the podcast. You know, I said I kind of felt a malaise of accomplishment   recently,   which hasn't been helpful. So,   you know, no, I haven't completed everything in life yet.  

I felt like, like, like I was saying, I ticked off a lot of the goals that I had. I actually found the   little mini notebook sheet that I had when I was 20,   when I was 2,120,   maybe of where I wrote down is literally the size of a phone little notebook. And,   I'd written down just the six or seven things, you know, learn to play piano, learn another language,   have sex with   a 10 out of 10 or something like that.   Earn a million dollars   or reach a million dollars.   There's one or two other things on there. I can't remember. I found the book   page was missing. Unfortunately, that would have been a great page to have.  

So   even though I'd done a lot of those things, it's   it's not good to just be   blah, just kind of sitting in malaise, which I have felt.   So do I need to do more to prove it to myself?   Not necessarily.   It's more just an acknowledgement that, okay, this is what kind of like retired people feel like, in a sense.  

[00:32:17] Juan Granados:

You gotta have a challenge. You gotta have a challenge. Okay, what do I what do I do? Yeah.  

[00:32:22] Kyrin Down:

That being said, you know, I felt that and then it was like, alright.   I need to burn everything down to the ground start from scratch. You know, everything's everything's up for debate. Yeah, I spend my time. Yep.   And there are certainly some changes that need to be made.   I look at a couple of the friendships that I have and I go, is that helpful? Is that productive? Is this type of person I really want to be hanging out with? Are they moving me forward   in life?   No, no, they're not.   And so a couple of those I'll probably have to like, let drift.   Do I need to fucking get an axe and chop them at ease and tell them exactly what I think about them? No, they're just they'll just generally drift and exactly.  

So there was many, many things like that. You you'll have seen recently the the book reviews, I'm going to stop doing them for a while.   Basically,   I kind of had that same thing where it was like, okay, I'm doing these things.   They're starting to become a little bit tedious.   Am I really enjoying it? Am I getting much feedback from people? No. So obviously, it's not   connecting with people. So therefore,   the reason I'm doing it is mostly for myself. And if I'm not enjoying it, well, what's the point? Yeah, yep. So that's kind of one of those ones. So if you're not enjoying it, it comes through. It comes through as well with the content, right? So you'd be like, what's going on? Yeah, yeah. And look it.   I still wasn't enjoying it. It's just,   it started to creep up into being like a little bit of a chore. Yeah, you're like, Oh, I've gotta do that tonight. Yep. Yep. Yep. So   that's kind of one thing. The other thing was,   it's simple to do the easy things   I enjoy and that provide real benefits at the same time. One arm here is done. There's no doubt like it's great for my health.  

It's great for focus,   gives me gets me out of the house, gets me the opportunity to meet other people at the same time.   It has   a real definable like skill that   is a valuable   kind of in a way like it can open opportunities.   But that's easy. It's real easy for me to go the gym. That's not hard. Like I'm not   not like  

[00:34:29] Juan Granados:

spending effort to do that. Yeah, such a very it's an ingrained thing. It is if you I know that for other people who would say that would be like, oh, yeah, that's for us. For us. It's like, that's cruise control. Just you're doing it because you're joy. And that's fine. Absolutely.  

[00:34:42] Kyrin Down:

A friend of yours,   Who know from the gym, Dan.   I've seen that sometimes he's like, I'm grinding to be here. Like, I haven't enjoyed being here for a while. But I'm still here still working out. So that's the kind of like,   not that I want to be like that. But it's like, okay, you know what, there's probably been some hard things that I've been avoided doing that are long term beneficial, but suck and that I don't enjoy.   So this is kind of a year of doing some of those.   In this case, probably for me, the biggest one is just the   emotionally   disturbing,   debilitating   thing that happens when I feel rejection. So in particular, chatting with women, get a like an outright rejection. Yep. That   that tilts me off kilter and it has done for a long time. And this is just getting back to my roots as a kid. Teenager   wouldn't put myself out there at all because I was just a word rejection, very socially anxious and   because I didn't want to feel rejection.  

I've gotten over this in the past through effort.   And   there's been a yeah, a couple of other things.   The social judgment, the   even   financially, I'm going to do one or two things this year, which I like   uncomfortable   in a sense. Like, it's not   it's perhaps like   it would feel extravagant to pass Kyren, but it's like, okay, I need to do this myself. So,   here's just a couple of like a list of like   random things which might come up. So,   charisma on command training. So that's a,   I think it's that was a guy I heard on Tim Ferriss where he's talking about like how you can,   you know, develop more charisma. And this   is useful for business context and and for your social life and personal life and sexual life, that sort of thing.  

Is that the sort of thing I want to pursue? I remember Chris Williamson talks about how he did dictation   to improve himself on the podcast.   That is the kind of,   I guess, extra step where it's kind of just like, okay, I know how to speak.   I know how to speak to women. But   the getting rejected,   you kind of saw it, I guess, maybe even recently in the in the coffee shop.   I'm very easy talking with groups now. You know, there was some random Germans there chatting with them. It was a girl from the gym who I barely knew starting with them easily. And   I'm very easily now getting in and out of groups. But   I'm not putting myself out in the line in terms   of, hey, you're cool. Do you want to go through? Yeah, like that? It's the it's the Yep. So   yeah, that that's   the essential sort of thing. Other type of stuff.  

Eye contact and smiling.   Yeah.   Perhaps even. Yeah, I'll get into the goals because this will explain some of the other things. So,   partner   simply put in more effort, effort, effort, effort.   So yeah, like I said, analyzing, improving social skills, set aside time for approaching,   how to be more thoughtful whilst dating, doing more out of the box things, finding ways to mitigate the side effects of rejection.   The biggest change as well that I made to the long term goal was I used to say find a long term partner.   Now I've changed that to kind of like bonding with a long term partner because   I guess in my mind,   one of the things that I probably struggle with,   or it's very just predominant in my mind is   the   aspect of like,   having sex for the first time, for example, or being really physically intimate.  

That was   always just a big barrier for me. And   it still feels like it still feels like that's if I'm like dating someone, that's the,   to illustrate. I used to have this big routine of like,   okay, I have to, like, set up the perfect way to initiate sex or sexual contact.   They'll come over, you know, we'll organize a   dinner.   Well, she'll sit on this side and I'll sit on the side so I can, like, make some light touches. Yep.   And then, you know,   how do I get her to, like, the bedroom, for example,   or like more, you know, close space?   Okay. I'll say that I have some photos on my laptop and that it's only available on my laptop. So we have to go upstairs and then, you know, sit beside me on the bed. And then there was like this complicated series of things where it was like,   was this all necessary?  

No, I know for a fact it wasn't,   but it was the kind of thing I needed to do in my head for myself. Sure. And it's a process, the living outcome. So if I can run that process again, the outcome is going to be found. Whereas I was talking with my friend Brendan and he was saying,   you know, once they   started like had a kiss or something or physical contact was initiated, he was just like, it's just a dumb deal from there. Like, I didn't have to think about it. And and for me, that's just like, but the step span, the process, like, what if you do that downstairs?   You're not even near the bedroom. How's that going to work?  

I've gotten rid of a lot of that. But there's still a lot. There's still a kind of barrier in my mind on   on that. And so I guess   that's probably one of the main mental type of things,   physically getting out and   kind of just putting myself out there more   as is a big aspect to this. So going to more events,   you know,   here's some things that I probably need to think about.   Speed dating. Is that worth going to and trying that?   Set even though I don't like using the apps,   perhaps I can make a way to make it fun for myself. One of the thoughts I've been having is like instead of just, you know, five, ten generic photos of myself, make it fun.   Take a photo of me and then a photo of like Butters coming into the picture and then another photo of Butters like jumping up onto me and then a photo of like me falling over with Butters on top of me. Yeah. And then eventually like me just on the ground with butters   sitting on top of me and then you know just have like description of like vicious dog attack survivor or some shit like just try try and make it funny you know just random stuff like that where I can make it fun   instead of like the the normal   putting up a bunch of photos   connecting   connecting with some girls perhaps   getting stuck in text limbo hell which I hate yeah maybe I need to find ways around anyway   All sorts of ideas which,   I just need to put more in. Effort. Effort. Yep.  

Relationships.   This is probably not a too surprising. Create more courageous conversations,   which is kind of like two words I've been,   yeah, just thinking about a lot more recently   having those conversations with   my dad and brother, for example, about an ex girlfriend. What did you think of her? Really? Like, what,   what do you think about myself   right now?   What do you what are some things that you think I'm doing well or wrong?   I remember Rishvi had this   kind of like concept he talked about where it's like,   five guys trying to learn game for the first time, and they get into like a circle.  

And they, they each kind of like analyze each other. And so it's like, okay, oh, yeah. You know, how, what,   what was something I did wrong last night? And one guy's like, Oh, well, you kept talking to that girl for too long when she really wasn't interested. Like, it was it was kind of obvious you and then goes on to the next one. It's like   your body odor, man. Like, after after a couple of hours, I could smell you from five meters away and   it kind of goes around the circle and you see them like being hesitant to kind of open up and receive criticism. But then it's just like, oh, wait, this criticism can actually be really helpful for me. I'll make I'm gonna make a personal note here. I'm going to give Kyren some courageous feedback after this podcast. Okay. I'll give it I'll give it personally.  

[00:42:44] Juan Granados:

Remind me, I'll tell you that something that me and my wife talked about after   yesterday, and it'll be positive.  

[00:42:50] Kyrin Down:

Thank you.   So a couple of things for this.   Kind of cutting through mundane chitchat.   Just been a little a little bit more   out there in terms of,   there was this guy in the sauna yesterday.   Yeah, a couple of towels on him. So, you know, you could say like, oh, you know, how you going, mate? But I started with a bit of a ramble about how my brother is creating a competition   in the sauna of him versus the other people. And then he leaves here first and yeah, and if you have more towels, that's kind  

[00:43:24] Juan Granados:

of like a detriment.  

[00:43:26] Kyrin Down:

It was just a fun way of starting up a conversation. It worked well. Yeah. Instead of being like, Oh, how you going, man? Like, how long are you going to stay in for? So things like that.   Financial   be secure when others are greedy.   So   this is kind of cutting down on   my media sources in particular,   distancing myself a little bit from the day to day.   Especially crypto, which I find really fun. I enjoy   spending time. But a part of it is,   I started a list on my phone of people where I'm like, these are the people I follow, these people you shouldn't follow. And yet I still listen to kind of all of them. And it's like, well,  

[00:44:07] Juan Granados:

what's the point of getting a list if you don't do it? Yeah.  

[00:44:13] Kyrin Down:

Just learning more about,   kind of stable coins and risks   associated with them.   A bear market list for kind of idea checking. One thing I have noticed is   if I found something new and shiny, I'd probably jump in a little bit too quickly,   whereas it should maybe be like, you know, spend $10 so that you're invested in it in some sort of   aspect,  

[00:44:39] Juan Granados:

but what amounts of downside waiting three months,  

[00:44:42] Kyrin Down:

and then coming back to ideas is usually a good idea.  

[00:44:46] Juan Granados:

So if you come back three months later, and it's still like, oh, yeah, that still checks out and everything else. Yep. And same with just like  

[00:44:53] Kyrin Down:

fundamentals for anything new,   you know, is   yes, it's a brand new idea.   I saw this actually really recently with the,   kind of Pokemon cards being digitized.   I had a bit of a   of like a renaissance.   Oh my God, all these people like it's happening. Like,   the physical was finally becoming digital. Digital.   Digital. The digital was the term I saw.   And   I know if I had   seen this, if I'd come in, if that had been around in 2021 and I heard that for the first time, I'd have been like, this is game changing. This is going to change the world. I need to put   everything I have into this like as quickly as I can. Yep.  

Now a little bit wiser   or having seen things like this before, I go, that's nice. I'm glad it's working.   Let's see how it's going in two years time. Yep. Three years time. There's no there's no need to jump into quickly.   And then   I want to do an overhaul of my wallet system. I've been   using a lot. There's a lot of kind of permissions floating around that.  

[00:45:58] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Yeah. You've been approved and whatnot. Yep.  

[00:46:01] Kyrin Down:

For   sure. So health,   this one   is going to be more about chasing points. So   the   one arm handstand has been great.   So draining the focus on that has kind of drained,   really drained me. And so I want to chase points again in some sort of respect. So getting back to the the   what is it called the fitness challenge that I set up   Got four years worth of stuff in there. I'm not going to add a new one. I'm just going to try and chase old ones.   But there's I'm going to split it into like three quarters for this next year. Okay, so quarter quarter four is going to be about legs. So   doing   some ballet type stuff. That's not a   not point per se, but it's just a focus. Yeah, I'll talk about a sec. So quarter four is legs,   pool   in quarter one running quarter two   and endurance in quarter three. And so I've got a kind of side quest for each of these quarters. Cool. Okay. Go into the Queensland ballet for   a period.  

The pool I need to kind of figure out maybe I should join a rowing team   for a couple of months or something. I don't know. Okay, something something along those lines or go to more like of a   calisthenic. And when I say pool, I'm thinking,   like pull ups and dips and things like that. Yep. When you say pull it's not swimming pool. You're talking pull us in like, yeah, the pulling motion pulling motion. And we've got those rowing stuff, which   still still need still need to be conquered.   Running. I'm going to do the Brisbane Marathon decided.   Wow. In June   2026.  



[00:47:40] Juan Granados:

Okay. You heard of you first me in one of the.   Friendship group that runs is going to be doing the Brisbane Marathon in 2026. Absolutely. Yeah, we're doing it. And then  

[00:47:49] Kyrin Down:

I got endurance, but I'm kind of thinking like   doing a side quest. So,   yeah, that the Brisbane marathon,   there's points associated, but it's also a side quest because I can do a marathon without being in a race.   And so   hopefully be doing the yoga,   yoga teacher training then.   I don't have any travel plan for them. So yeah, that'll work. Analyzing old blogs, one arm, handstand recording kind of ruthless and focus and okay and saying no and I know   I'm going to get injured   100%   I'm going to get injured doing some of this stuff. So really adapting to the injuries is going to be  

[00:48:27] Juan Granados:

key. Key.  

[00:48:30] Kyrin Down:

All right.   Getting on. So I'll try and jump through these ones. Spirituality   kind of what I was talking about for confronting reality and doing the hard things. So   this is yeah. Going out of my way to like seek feedback, for example,   on on myself or,   or giving feedback to other people, just doing those things where it's like,   do I want to set up a   Tinder profile or a Hinge profile? Not particularly. But you know what? If I can spend   a couple of hours asking my brother who spent a lot of time on these things, like, how did you do it? I guess getting back into that   mindset of being the complete beginner on certain things and having asked people   for knowledge, which is Yeah, it's not the most fun position to be in, but it's very helpful as well.  

Traveling.   Big one for this is just moving out of the house. That's kind of the feeling of stagnation of of having   been in Morningside for five years. It's time to move out. I can move. Yep. It's not helping me in terms of,   the day to day life of,   being able to meet people especially.   There's just a whole bunch of teenagers there and   married couples.   So going to somewhere like Newstead where there's a vibe and   not letting Asia interfere with plans. So I kind of got a tentative plan to go to Asia   with Brendan.   I've already told him like, look, man, I may become for a month. I wouldn't be surprised if I even cut that down   further.  

If,   you know, if not, if things work out in certain ways,   perhaps even say like, I'm just I just can't make it. It's very tentative. So   yeah, don't let that interfere. And there's a whole bunch of things   and finding like, where's the best place to live?   I'm gonna have some financial roadblocks   for sure.   And renting, I already   know there's   a girl at the gym who's self employed.   And she runs a cafe. And she was she literally   got a kind of apartment in Newstead where I would probably be looking at. And she was saying   her it was hard for her to  

[00:50:41] Juan Granados:

to be able to prove Oh, I got to the point. Yeah. Okay. Yep.  

[00:50:46] Kyrin Down:

You know, sound viable for it. And I know I was going like, man, if she is struggling, fuck, I'm going to, I'm going to have some roadblocks, so we'll have to get around those,   character. So   this probably isn't   so   revealing, but like the   porn vice talked about this recently,   accepting it, resolving it, I guess in some sort of sense.   Always been a little bit trepidatious about talking about sex.   Probably want to get,   better at that. Better at that.   When I was with my ex in Florence,   chatting with her about especially sex   And the sexual relationship that we had   was good. There was some things that we were like,   we should have told each other this. Yeah.  

And then moderating sugar.   So   still   still have a bit of a sweet tooth. I'm gonna moderate sugar. Yeah. So I'm gonna be getting lean, leaner and leaner.   Yeah, leaner than leaner than leaner than or not now. And the final one modifying media sources coming in and thoughts going out. So   just cutting out some stuff, I'm even thinking of like rejigging a whole lot of things. So potentially being like, all right, here's the,   you know, mere mortals book reviews channel.   I'll only like   subscribe to certain types of channels on there.   I've got like   a Twitter profile. I've got multiple Twitter profiles actually.  

Use this one for this, this one for that and just really filter out the fees, the algorithm. So I'm not getting like this barrage of   here's something about NFTs, here's something about macro news, here's something about like a podcasting   guy, here's something about a friend. Yep. Like maybe   I think I'd like to just try separating them out.   Potentially, I just end up creating a whole bunch of accounts and I'm like, Fuck, this is so much stuff   potentially. But I've been doing that with my wallets   and experimentation. So that's actually worked really well.   Having different browsers, for example, where it's like, okay, this is the wallet I use for this, this is what I use for that. That that's actually been working well. So. Okay, yeah. And then the thoughts going out is, yeah, kind of just   especially   with   talking with girls getting rejections. There's,   it always happens the kind   of self judgment   comes in a lot there.  

Using the best tricks and techniques I can   to stop the worst of that.  

[00:53:20] Juan Granados:

So  

[00:53:21] Kyrin Down:

that's that's the goals for 2022. So I think overarching  

[00:53:24] Juan Granados:

from what hearing again, lots of effort on the relationship, you know, finding the right bond with the individual sounds like that's pretty fun. The quarter breakdown of, fitness and stuff like that. Yeah. I think moving. Interested. Moving will be, I think, a big game changer just in terms of even like mindset, space, environment that you're in. Absolutely. You end up finding yourself like serendipitous.   Just be being around people the area that you go out with like even just walking around and stuff like that. So I like hanging out with my brother and his girlfriend, butters at their house. It's it's really fun.  

[00:53:58] Kyrin Down:

It's probably been very helpful, especially with with mom's passing, like being alone. The last year probably wouldn't have been would have been great. Right. But yeah, moving just moving on moving out. And I think he's feeling kind of the same in the sense of like, he wants to do a bit more so. Okay. You know, his version will probably look different. It's very different. Yeah. But as good as at the same time, if you got like, you know, someone close to you that isn't the same like, okay, cool. Let's go. Let's put in some effort at doing whatever it is. I think there's a couple other people in   the immediate circle who   are a very similar guy at the gym who I went to have a drink with yesterday. He's very similar. He's like, you know, went out with the girl,   chatted with her,   like getting he's been single for for a fair while as well. And he was like, you know what? The closer we got to being in a relationship, the more I realized   it's nothing to do with her. I've got some stuff to work on. And in terms of,  

[00:54:51] Juan Granados:

do I want to be in a relationship? If I do, how's it going to blah, blah, blah, blah. It's on. So yeah. '26, we're gonna see lots of points as well. So Faka, I'm keen to hear what's a Well, we'll talk about our monthly goals next week. I wanna hear what the legs,   beyond ballet.   We'll see what the other stuff is. So Yeah. Sure. Gotta get tree trunk legs. That's what Tree trunk legs. Again, for for anyone, if you listen to this afterwards and you have any comments and queries and thoughts on on current goals and where we've been doing it for many, many, many years, feel free to drop it in as well.   Wish Karen all the best into Thanks, man. 26 to see how it goes. We'll give him some feedback, some courageous feedbacks directly after this as well so you can hear it from the horse's mouth. But, yeah, it's always fun. It's always fun when you do the transition from one one annual goal to the next. Just why I'm slightly trepidatious.  



[00:55:38] Kyrin Down:

Juan's courageous feedback yesterday was   we got to the club. I had sunglasses   on. I pull him up, and he just says, you look shit.  

[00:55:47] Juan Granados:

So you look like shit. You look like shit. But it's a good it's a good feedback. It's a small feedback, but I think I think it'll be a good feedback.   Alright. Meanwhile, I was thinking we'll leave it there.   I hope you enjoyed that. Yes. And   obviously,   usually with the annual goals, it translates over to monthly goals that we talk to on a monthly basis. So obviously stick around to listen to that as we go along in terms of how current is progressing with those things. There's another person in chat here. I see Lucas saying like, Yo, hey. And he's he's also another one. He's he's like, I need to make a change.  

[00:56:17] Kyrin Down:

He   feels like being in a rut. His is actually very similar in terms of moving physically. Been in Londrina for a while. Yep. It's looking like he'll he'll move   certainly apartment but will he move out of Londrina? Will he come back to Australia? Will he go to Bali? Will he go to Sao Paulo? He's got a lot of options available for him. So very similar deal. I know I know he's thinking  

[00:56:38] Juan Granados:

similar things. Similar things. Yeah. Okay. Paths tend to align. Yeah. Well, there you go. I hope the best for you. And if you're listening out there as well and you're thinking, oh, I need to change. Like, Karen said, don't fucking wait for New Year's, man. Do it just whenever is a, like, a general time of a month or something like that they wanna do. I do mine off my birthday. It's in August, so it's, like, a quiet time to do it. Yep. So nice reflective time as well.   Find someone you wanna do it. Yeah. Reflect on things that you wanna be doing. I'll shout it out if you want to hang with some of the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I will be building a community as much as I can. If you want a free one as well, just use the Discord. Yeah. Do you never think? It's on our mere mortals and our, my personal Instagram as well. It's a Stan one. I think it's actually   Stan.  

I'll actually tell it because it ends in Mere Mortals. Yeah. So it's actually nice and easy. I'm assuming not many people are using it. It's   stan. Storemere  

[00:57:26] Kyrin Down:

mortals. That's it. Okay. I'll, I'll put that in the links. Interestingly  

[00:57:30] Juan Granados:

enough as well, I don't know what's been happening recently, but so just as   a normally,   I both have my personal Instagram and my and the Mi Amore's one is a professional Instagram. Right? And again, it's only Instagram, but I generally get, like, maybe 7,000 views in thirty days. I'm I'm getting about 12,000 views now for the last thirty days on my personal one, and I've seen the Miyamoto ones also pop up as well. Probably more stories, probably more something like that. Very nice. AI bots. Yeah. AI bots probably, but 11,000 of them is AI bots and 100 people, like, real people. And it's just me and it's just me 100 times through the month. So  

[00:58:02] Kyrin Down:

I was just thinking, so when   so we've got three,   close to 4,000   on Instagram. And part of the reason was that was when we were first   creating the podcast,   I was connecting with a lot of other podcasters. I'd be following them,   you know, leave a comment or something,   generally chatting. I'd sometimes like review their podcast with leave if you go back to some of the old episodes. Yeah. Remember I was leaving audios. Yeah, audios,   encouraging them.   I would say   three quarters of those followers of podcasts. And I would say   90% of those are probably just dead. Yeah.  



[00:58:41] Juan Granados:

I was gonna say like I reckon. Yeah. One of the big things that I see now in our social is like very little interaction and it's, yeah, likely because it's just lots of debt accounts. A lot of debt accounts of people to just have given up. So like Yeah. You know, that was just normal humans who utilize platforms and probably a lot be higher, but it's just debt accounts that have just never been used. Which which goes like, you know, did we buy our followers? No. It's got a lot of debt accounts. There might as well be bots at this point because I won't do anything.   A bot would be preferable because at least it would interact. That's true. Yeah. There's nothing on me. Alright. Meanwhile, as we'll leave it there, I hope you have been well. Lucas, hope you're well. For everyone else who are listening to this afterwards, be well wherever you're around the world. One out. Turn out. Goodbye.