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It's time to have a goodbye party for Juan and family.

In Episode #447 of 'Meanderings' Juan & I discuss: the bad karma coming Juan's way, secrets behind airline booking systems, the need for a holiday, what it's been like living without a solid routine, why I threw my brother's shoe on the roof, finding secret spiderman underwear and what I should hide in my parents old home.

Huge thanks to Petar & McIntosh for supporting the show. We really appreciate your contribution!

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:41) A 1yr old on a 9hr flight
(00:06:13) How seat arrangements work
(00:13:55) Plans for Japan
(00:20:17) Why are they going?
(00:22:11) Boostagram Lounge
(00:25:17) Just in time living
(00:30:42) Routine keeps the fires at bay
(00:36:17) Erratic decision making
(00:38:52) Juan's haunted house
(00:45:04) Creepy parting gifts
(00:50:07) V4V: Time/Talent/Treasure

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[00:00:06] Kyrin Down:

Oh,   welcome, everyone, to another episode of the mere mortals Meanderings.   We are live here on Wednesday, 15th May, 2024   in Juan's   place. Yes. Correct. And this is a Meanderings episode. We've got Kyrin here Juan on the other side. And we're   just going to be chatting   a little bit about what's going on in our lives, I suppose.   A free flowing conversation. Anything interesting coming up, all that sort of stuff. Nothing nothing too hectic because we both had hectic weeks and starting off with Juan's hectic week, I suppose, or even hectic to come one flying to Japan tomorrow. And so I labeled this episode something like Vienna in Japan.   And   basically everyone I've talked to has said   taking a 1 year old on an international flight   for 9 hours is a terrible idea. So why why did you choose to do this? Well, look, firstly,  

[00:01:00] Juan Granados:

we are yet to see to experience what it will be like cumulative   cumulative   or combined. Let's go. Yeah. All combined. I think she's flying   4,   6, probably like 10, no, like 7 or 8 hours. I think combined she's flying. Okay.   So even in totality, she hasn't yet flown 9 hours. Yeah. So it is a bit scary. It is a bit anxiety,   stricken. So will it be difficult?   Yes.   What's what's I think when people say like, what's the challenge? Is the challenge the the 9 hour flight? Or is it the what happens beyond  

[00:01:36] Kyrin Down:

that? I would I would have thought that the 9 hour flights the worst I   Yeah, I mean, I imagine there's still lots of hectic things   going on regarding packing and stuff. But you've, as you mentioned, you've already taken to another city before in Australia. Yeah. And so we have some learnings have things. 1 of the things I find with the travel  

[00:01:53] Juan Granados:

is   like like us, it's that the more you do it, the more you realize   what   works, what you're missing, what you should have brought. And so we've done a little bit of that already with her in that this summer, and when we were packing today now, yes, it did take more hours than you'd imagine.   You go, oh, yeah. We got to remember to take the thermometer and we're gonna take some band aids and you got to take the Panadol and you got to take so you start remembering like, oh, I'm gonna take that 2 water bottles, not just one water bottle, and it's either in a toy and a new toy, all sort of stuff we've already gone through. So you're kind of applying it again. So   right off the bat, if I had never done a 9 hour, like never done a flight and it was that long. Yeah, man.  

Merciful   vengeance is upon me for not like doing some test  

[00:02:37] Kyrin Down:

runs. I have. You're gonna get a lot of bad karma from the amount of people, you know, if it's a bad flight, and well, she's awake all that It's gonna get a whole lot worse. What I'm about to say.  

[00:02:46] Juan Granados:

So   I don't know if I've shot myself in the foot here. More or less you tell me if I've done the right thing.   So   we're flying   Peasants   Economy.   Right? And the seat   setup, and I'm gonna tell you this because very specific, but we're flying on an Airbus a330.   Do you know much about planes? Right? I used to love planes, man. I used to learn, like, a 3 thirties, a 3 80, 737, 747, 787 when it came out with the Dreamliner with the carbon fiber out external.   Man used a lot that shit. Okay. Are the a330s are in a 2 four two structure when you're flying international, right? And I mean, it's 2 seats, 4 seats in the middle, 2 seats on the   other side. We went, we're not gonna sit on the 2 seats on either side. We're not gonna do that. Why not? Because, well, you get one seat for, you know, myself and my partner and then one for Vienna. However,   you wanna try and be able to stretch out, maybe sit her on a bed if you, if 9 hours, if she needs to sleep and you wanna lay her down somewhere, not having to hold her the whole time. Okay. So you bought 3 seats? No. No. I didn't buy 3 seats because you don't pay for the kid. Right? But   in the we went okay when choose the the 4 seater section. Oh, you get more chance. You get more chance, right? And so you can see on visuals, I'm flying Qantas that the left hand most seat taken.  

Then the next 3 were not taken. So I went, you know what? I'm gonna be a smart cookie. I'm gonna take not the next seat that's whatever this person has decided to sit, but the next 2 that are you know on the aisle and the one in from there. So,   no one's gonna be you know choosing this choose that one singular seat to fly on their own international Japan. No. You're not having it. You're flying in a group. You're flying in a family   and   a couple of hours ago, I had checked maybe like 10 hours because it comes to the story that I'm telling. 10 hours ago, we were good. No one's sitting there next to us and I'm like, yes, I'm gonna get 3 seats.   She can lay down. This is gonna be awesome. Fantastic. And then I'll   see in front of me, a 4 row completely blank as well. I'm even like, wow, we're gonna be able to like just hop on over. This is gonna be really cool.  

And then it happened.   I forgot   that   I got ourselves upgraded to business class.   Okay. So now we're actually flying in business class. Yeah. And you might be thinking here me and what lights are home.   Fantastic, mate. You're flying business class. That's awesome.   Once more caveat,   in business class, the layout is   121   and yes, the seats are bigger and yes, you get all the reclining and stuff like that. Your business starts on an a330   means that you get all this plastic all around you. All the setups, all the   we don't have the extra seat now anymore. Yeah. This extra seat that I was planning on having to sit down Vienna will get her to like lay down. Now it doesn't exist.  

Now, yes, I've   upgraded us to business class, but she now has to be in one of the chairs that we are in because there is no other spare chair for her to use. Yeah. I don't know if I've shot myself in the foot here. So I don't know. She has won business class before and she didn't enjoy the sitting of it. Like, they're they're wide enough so you can sit with like, it's her   mom.   But I almost regret it. Like, I saw it come through and I was like, damn, I forgot that I'd done that. And I don't know if that was a rookie mistake to do.   I don't know. Yeah. I'm Yeah. Yeah. Because initially you would have been like, if I told like, oh, I've got to we've got a business class. Okay. Like, you know, in your mind, you might be oh, that's that's gonna be better. I'm not so sure. Yeah. Not so sure. Yeah. It just depends. I mean,  

[00:06:13] Kyrin Down:

I've I suppose you can you can check those things. I'm always very   wary of the seating placements and being able to check what's actually going on with the airlines and how many people are on the plane, that sort of stuff. I don't I don't really trust   their seat, their whole seating arrangements, and you actually being able to pick   in terms of, you know, these seats are blocked out or something.   It seems like airlines just get to fucking do whatever they want. It's it everything about it feels really closed block,   closed box. I have no idea what's going on. You know,   Flights change and they can just tell you your flights changed. I'll tell you some I'll tell you some internal,  

[00:06:51] Juan Granados:

secrets of the trade. That's fine. Works. So I worked one of these companies mostly Australian companies in fact most of the global companies most of your airlines   the   seat management   and some of the booking management,   they're all kind of conglomerated to 3. Yeah. It's like 2 or 3 big   IT companies who actually service all of these global companies. So you're like some good quantas and Virgin here, JetSur as well, a lot of other international ones. They all use the same freaking   place and it's even for   Contours and Virgin, it's a little bit of a black box even to them. Oh, yeah. Because they just integrate that system into their flow. Gotcha. Like, whenever you see it like really beautiful and it works well, a lot of that is done is what the airlines do from a front end making it Beautify. Actual systems, it's just another it's another service that's doing it entirely because they operate it and they do that. Yeah. But they're at the mercy of whatever the hell they actually provide. Not you're gonna find one airline's gonna do it better than the other. They're all being serviced quite equally by these shitty players. Yeah. That's just how it sounds.  



[00:07:53] Kyrin Down:

So my brother's going to Japan in the end of the year. And   he was just looking at   what he was looking up. I think he was looking up actual airlines and their ratings because he could have gone on like a really cheap one or a different one or anything like this. And   he was just saying, like, they're all shit.   No one likes   no one likes any of these airlines. Like, they all just get absolutely roasted   in terms of the rating systems.   And yeah, I don't know if and I don't  

[00:08:23] Juan Granados:

flying is just not a pleasant experience, I think in general. So you're getting that roasted no matter what. It's also I mean, I think partly in flying, like, you know, actually, in a lot of things in life.   There is a,   like a   threshold of   minimum quality and   kindness and gratitude that people probably do in terms of business sense. Right? If you're   airline a or airline b, hey. We wanna be   this good or this presentable and this level of quality and, you know, by the large people will will do that. If you if you're just an airline and they're like, whatever. Just treat people like shit. It's just about the money and get them many people. Okay. You're probably gonna see that showcase.   But but I will say like in many other places in life,   it is very,   r c s wouldn't be the right word. It's very segmented by how popular you are to the airline. That's probably a better way to term it. So if you walk in   to a plane, and you have   no,   I guess,   you know, like a bronze member, you know, any level within the Qantas thing, this guy right here, this guy right here, Don't give a shit, right? They don't give a fucking shit what you are. Yeah. Yeah. They don't actually care if you're the lowest level either. What they do carry is, you start going up the levels of whatever airline you choose. That comes up really evident to them. So I've seen this   on 2 different airlines now. And so I assume most other ones are kind of like that. They have, at least in the one that I saw, when you enter the plane, they have a little iPad up up the front for the individuals. And it tells them,   I don't think it told them who isn't like, and I tell you who isn't a member, or who the lower level members are because you know, peasant, whatever is humans. But if you're at least for Qantas, if you're gold, if you're   platinum   and platinum 1, I think it is or the even more, like, you know, cherished,   chairman's lounge style or a VIP.  

It comes up and it tells them, oh, this person is a goal. This person is a platinum. This person's a VIP.   And it would be evident that it'd be okay, well, I'm gonna treat them slightly different. I'm gonna give them a better, you know, better journey, better service, maybe we're gonna give them the drinks first, I'm gonna give them better food, whatever it may be. So there's a certain degree of Yeah, you're gonna get treated   as good as maybe how much of a loyalist you are to the airline or how much you've invested into putting into it. Same with   this happens in cars as well. So   you can't find this info I've tried god damn it I've tried lamborghini internally has a rating system   or the people who buy Lamborghinis   If you If you if ccp behavior If someone someone   knows about this, tell me. I   I cannot locate any more information than someone   sharing it like in a video of a person who owns a Lamborghini and that's the only way I've heard it but they have an internal rating system and depending on those on the rating that you are   measures what you get invited to and what you can purchase and not purchase. So it's like, you know, it's all it's all right and measure that you're owning a Lambo and there's like, yet you're still a peasant.  

Yeah. There was peasant Lambo. You can go back to the conversation with Jeff. And I think Jeff, you on the second one, we had a chat towards the tail end of that. And I don't know if it made it into the podcast or not. I'm pretty sure it did. We were talking about getting what car club was the best to be partaken in. And he's part of   basically all   of them. And his note was at least when the Ferrari sends, even though he owns a few Ferraris,   even a few Ferraris, or at least he's got another one coming in.   Even then, he's not even privy to   going and purchasing some of the Ferraris are available nor going to the participation and stuff like that. Whereas   some of the other ones are a little bit more   jovial to invite people, I guess, to be like, oh, yeah. Everyone's accepted to go by. I guess, depends on how elitist or special you wanna make your brain look. So maybe maybe he's gonna have a check of his various airlines  

[00:12:16] Kyrin Down:

but it's all the cattle doing the ratings. Well, he got the the mega deal or the what did he call it? It was something like that. It was something like a good deal deal. Okay, basically, he got   really   cheap flights   and seats which were in, you know, it's Jetstar. So even if you're in like,   even if you're in the top of my own business or whatever, I don't know, that's like still peasant of the peasant. Yeah. For those who don't know, Jetstar is  

[00:12:42] Juan Granados:

like They probably don't even have business to be frank with either. They probably have premium economies. Yes. Yeah. Something like that. It's like the lowest   the lowest Australian It's like Ryan E in the UK.  

[00:12:51] Kyrin Down:

It's   no thrills. No thrills.   And,   yeah, he's, he's like, I don't know, the closest you get to VIP, I guess, on Jetstar. So, okay, so you got the top level for just, okay, let's see. Let's see. Yeah. And, when I was flying with LATAM, I got to say, like, the flight attendants were lovely people. They were really kind, really nice to everyone.   You know, I got upgraded on one of those flights. That was pretty awesome. And  

[00:13:14] Juan Granados:

it it stands to to   show I   I   really can only think of 1 or 2   lights that I've ever had in my life where I've gone.   Oh, this is pretty bad. Like this was bad from   the customer service or   what quality of the plane was. But apart from that, I haven't really ever had much of a bad I reckon I probably had  

[00:13:37] Kyrin Down:

200   flights  

[00:13:39] Juan Granados:

easily. I mean, people fly way more, but I've flown like a lot and I've never really had a theme where I'm like, oh, yeah. Those the only time I've it's been bad. It's turbulence. You know, it's out Uh-huh. External. It's not someone in the plane making it worse. Damn. He's oh, so how does it mean to bad? How does it mean to bad? Anyways, so yes. Tell us more about   your plans for Japan. What's what's the purpose of going? What are you hoping to get out of it? What are you gonna do? Well, it was a good I hope ramen are you gonna eat? All of it. I've had a good convo with Tov who I've had on the podcast as well recently in an interview, because he just came back as well from Japan with his 20 month old, 18 month old, 3 month old,   and   asked him similar questions. Because   in my mind, I had this view of, hey, I'm gonna go and it's gonna be kind of same same as we did, but not to some of the locations. We drank a lot  

[00:14:27] Kyrin Down:

and ate a lot. And what else did we do?  

[00:14:31] Juan Granados:

We went through a lot of the show. We did a lot of things. We played a lot of sport. A little thing. It's watching. It's watching. So you know, there's a few things I knew wasn't weren't gonna happen. But I went, oh, you know, we're probably gonna go to the same Tori gates. I'm gonna go to the shopping center, I might go to Tokyo Tower, I might go do this, this and that.   And then I realized unless I talked to him on morning after a run,   that it won't be like that. And it shouldn't be like that. So I do set myself in the tight target. So if I sat here, it's like, it'll be in Tokyo for 3 days. And I'm gonna go I think I'm gonna go Tokyo Tower the first day, and we're gonna go to this shopping center. I'm gonna do this in the second day.   That might not work out. That's that's I think the wrong experience, especially with a 1 year old, right? That's forget it forget that you know you have no idea what's gonna happen. Yeah planning planning. So what I kind of more determined in my mind was okay what I I think what I want to do more is   begin the days around.  

We really wanna get to this point, this location, somewhere a little bit further away or maybe it is a a keen attraction   And then just work our way there meander our way whether it's train ride, bus ride,   walking, exploring,   and not feel the expectation of okay, we're gonna see Tokyo Tower and this and this today, it should be scaled back to you know what,   out of those maybe 3 things.   Let's that one that's like the one that we really want to aim for. Cool. Let's   move towards there. If we have to deviate, if we have to find a changing, whatever case may be, we'll do that. But eventually, we'll get there in some way, shape, or form. Enough of a guidance of time, you know, we can get there if it's an opening or closing time and then bring ourselves back. But then, you know, beyond that, it's gonna go to Tokyo. We gotta go to Osaka. We're gonna go to Kyoto. We're gonna go to Nara, which is all places that we've been to as well. So I have In in only 8, 8 days you're there? Yeah. Which which actually looking into it is gonna be full. If you are in,   I was trying to see kind of the balance was we're gonna be in Tokyo for a couple of days and off to Osaka. And then from Osaka is when we're just gonna do day trips to Kyoto and Nara because it's a couple of hours. It's basically,   like an hour in Nara and then back. Kyoto   kind of I found this experience. A lot of other people really really enjoyed Kyoto. I went, it was good   but there wasn't all Honestly, there wasn't like a ton load of things with a 1 year old dude. What am I gonna do? Am I gonna see 7 temples? It's not that enjoyable, honestly. So you also have to be like well, look we're probably gonna find more joy and it's gonna be a better experience to be more like an Osaka place. Lots of stuff, lots of food.  

There's a lot of things to see and play around with and it's relatively   close to home. Whereas   we were looking at staying in Kyoto for a bit more time and went,   what are we gonna really do there much apart from just experiencing another city? Same thing as on the way back, we're thinking like do we stay at another place on the way back that's maybe close to mount Fuji and we just relax and when you know what let's just go back to Tokyo stay another couple of nights and then go home from there just to that's   to get the main japanese experience   while also taking complete account that it's gonna be a slower  

[00:17:36] Kyrin Down:

journey given the fact that, you know, you're traveling with a 1 year old. Yeah, I was just I saw a YouTube video not too long ago, and I think it was saying that   they were looking at banning foreigners from the Geisha district because   they were just being assholes. Oh, really? Asshole gringo. Okay. No, not even at all. Just trying to see if I could bring this up and ban them. But   but yeah, that's   yeah.   And I guess   what else?  

[00:18:06] Juan Granados:

I think the only the main callers from from Japan trip is   we think we're packed. We think we've got everything.   We we've left a couple of things a little late. Like, we haven't actually gone and gotten any yen, like any cash here. So we're gonna have to do it in the airport or do it when we get there. Yeah. Again.   Just try yeah. Honestly,   again, this is this comes back to   it's not the first rodeo of going to Japan at least for myself. So there's   preconceived   knowledge expectations   of Oh, yeah, we'll get banned.   We'll get this train ride and I know how to get the tickets now and how you do this and that. So there's not too much there. But yeah, I think the main anxiety is going to   be 9 hour flight day.  

9 hour flight back. Yeah. Yeah, that's  

[00:18:52] Kyrin Down:

but yeah, that's, that's fun. And you're flying during the day when you go there and it sounds like during the night when you correct. Yeah. So that one even more. Yeah, the night one. What is hell is going to happen? Yeah. Geez. Which I mean, technically,  

[00:19:06] Juan Granados:

I'd leave for me it's kinda same time given I don't sleep 3 night flights anyways. So   on the flight back, I won't sleep. I'll just be awake the whole time anyway. So if she doesn't sleep on the way back, I'll be like, oh, okay. It's kind of the same same as Yeah. Well, that that's where I'm thinking like the karma could  

[00:19:22] Kyrin Down:

come come   back up a couple of bad years of karma from destroying   everyone's night sleeves.  

[00:19:28] Juan Granados:

Oh, well, that's what they get for traveling along with the baby. They go. That's what you Maybe maybe you should. I wonder if when you're in airlines, like when you're booking in a flight, if it should tell you, hey, There's a BMW. Yeah. This couple are flying with a kid. Would you like a radius of Yeah. You know, 3 seats away from the day or something like that? Because beep because I reckon you'd find maybe a collection of families that would go all in one area because it just makes no noise. And they could just put into pods, just like silent pods. Just corral them, make no noise coming out of them, keep them cool. Good day. Good day. So,  

[00:20:00] Kyrin Down:

the thing I found, tourists are being banned from entering certain alleys in Gion, the famous Geisha district district in Kyoto. Wow. Okay. So yeah. And it was just.  

[00:20:10] Juan Granados:

Good thing I'm not going much to Kyoto. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. You won't. You won't need to worry.  

[00:20:14] Kyrin Down:

What the final thing before we move   on. Why are you going like what was the what was the rationale for easy? Very easy, very easy.  

[00:20:23] Juan Granados:

Perfect. Perfect. If we just thought, hey,   since once you turn 1 year old a week and a half ago, when I went, hey, what do we do for it? We want to do lots of activities.   So something that went in my mind. So I got to buy a little toy mini G Wagon. Do we get like, lots of like cool things for her?   1 year old rather than Kate, like cable and toys. And we kind of went, Oh, let's just make it a bit of a all a family inclusive thing. Let's go for a bit of a holiday and we'll we'll make it Japan. Yeah. We, so why Japan? I like Japan. And from the many places internationally,   they'll seem like the one of the better places to take young kids. So kind of like a no brain on that side. But   the also just like a holiday actually have I was actually talking to gels about this. I haven't   had more than   a week,   maybe 8 days, I haven't had more than 8 days off   since   from, like, everything   since   probably   early 2022 when I went to the US. That was the last summer I had more than 8 days off and I was away for a couple of weeks in that time. Since then, maximum was last year's like Christmas break and it was 7 days. Yeah. 1000 from everything. So,   it'll be good. So it's like a good little break as well. Kind of sits in the right time. See if he comes back rejuvenated or just distraught and stressed out.  

If me immortalize no one at all.   You might know well, if I tell you I had a day off today, they completely had day off so I could do admin life thing to train, you know, take care of some stuff.   There was already a point in time today   when my mind started like, oh, can't wait to get back because I have this idea of doing this. So it's already begun but yeah I'm hoping to really take the time off on it. Interesting.  

[00:22:11] Kyrin Down:

Let's go to the bootscrams. Let's do it. See what the they come through. Again bootscrams is well you can you can share what what what are boot scripts current. So this is the Bootlegram Lounge section of the podcast where we just take a little break and want to thank everyone who's helped support us over this last week. We don't have advertising sponsorships,   no other source of income other than   I'm sorry, relying on the people at home who want to support us and help to support us. And we really   do appreciate that. Ask for that. And so Boostgram is a  

[00:22:41] Juan Granados:

support you can send directly within your podcasting app and usually these have a message attached with it so we can call them out and have like a little bit of feedback as well at the same time. So one's going to read out what we've got from this week. Very good. Now, the 2 messages that have come through are in relation to obviously the condolences for yourself, Karen. One from Peter here saying, my condolences, Karen. She's free of her suffering now. I'm sure dad and brother really appreciate you returning home. Brazil will be there in the future. Okay, brother. And that's Rob ducks 222 sat saying you can beat that. So I appreciate it. Thank you very much there, Peter. And from Macintosh, friend, I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. Glad you got to see her one last time. Grief is somewhat different for everyone. As you know, take time to process. That was 2,100 sets sent using fountain. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And like I'm, I'm,  

[00:23:30] Kyrin Down:

I guess in this next section we'll get on to what I've been up to this last week. But   the   like   you really you really   get some very, very nice messages from people,   in times like this and also people where you're like, Oh, geez, I didn't even know you knew how to contact me. I didn't even know you knew who. Did you know who that person was who emailed through?   I might have met her a long time ago. It was a teacher who worked with mum, but   mum worked with a lot of teachers, you know, like there's. A lot of people in the past. Yeah, she had a big,   big kind of like   external community, I guess, of people she knew through her chorus, through work and things like that.  

And yeah, yeah. And me personally, I've just been I've been doing pretty good. Like I think I said on that one, you know, in the last episode,   I would have thought that   previously that   the day after, you know, losing loved one would be the worst day of my life.   It wasn't   it sucked, but it wasn't the worst day.   I would have thought the week afterwards would also be the worst week of my life. It really hasn't been like it's,   I'm sounding shit now because I've got like a little bit of a cold and Yeah,  

[00:24:41] Juan Granados:

but as you said, but as you said, it was like there was probably like worse times proceeding. Oh, yeah. Way worse. For sure. Way worse.  

[00:24:48] Kyrin Down:

Maybe I'll talk about them one day on the podcast, but yeah, just like the last 8 months   before mom passed away was, was really awful. It's   really, really bad.   So, yeah, no, I've been doing okay. Brother and dad also been going okay. And yes,   for everyone who has sent messages. Yeah. Thank you very much. And even if I've been kind of cut my replies, just saying thank you. Appreciate it.   It really has been nice.  

[00:25:13] Juan Granados:

Peter Magnus, thank you very much. Yeah, it's really nice to know that people care.  

[00:25:17] Kyrin Down:

So the what have I been up to 1? Well, I've had 0 routine. That's what I wanted to kind of discuss. Okay, this this last week. So,   I've   yeah. The amount of like   spontaneity,   spontaneity and   just doing a thing because, okay, this is like the way it is and this opportunity arise mean, it's been. Yep. It's been just like off the charts off the charts for Karen. I took an unplanned walk today with, with Brendan. Nice. After   semi planned   meeting up to join a new gym for   3 weeks,   4 weeks.   Whilst whilst I'm here, You know, it's all these sort of things where I like in the past would be like, why would I join a gym for like 3 weeks or 4 weeks? That's so dumb.   This what's it like? You spend more time   going there, getting. Going through the process. Yeah, yeah.  

But this one's been really casual. Like, I just went to M4 Movement Force. The name of it, Lucas, who was in the chat, he came to Australia just to go to this gym. Wow. Okay. It's based.   So it was in West End when he came. It's now in the Gabba area.   Okay. Yeah. Woolloongabba.   And yeah, so I just went there and yeah, it's a nice space and, you know, people   working on one arms and hands on there. So it's like a cool crew. Yeah.   And I know some people there and it's good to just be,   I think for myself just to be with people.   Yeah. Yeah. This period just spend less time alone. So I've been eating dinners with my brother or dad depending   on the day. Just going out. I have done a couple of training sessions on my own, but, you know, even then I would talk to people and yeah, it's, it's   just been   it reminded me of when I used to work and   I tried to have a routine when I was working. So this is mining, engineering, doing logistics and, you know,   there were certain tasks that needed to get done,   but things would crop up all the time where it was like, oh,   instead of working for this next 3 hour, I never had   a plan for my day. My day was always just there's work to be done, go and do it and more work will crop up and I'll do that. And it was always the,   what's that term? It's the   best   in like   done the last the priority one that's like done in the last minute, like last thing. You do things as they're needed. As there's a saying for   I had it before the podcast,   completely forgotten.  

But yeah, it would just be like, okay, this thing needs to get done. I'll do it just in time. Just in time. That's the way.   And that's, that's how my last week has been, man. Just just in time.   Okay, crap. I need to do this thing. Alright. And   it's   been   freeing as it be felt free. It's it's, it's felt I could see how people would like this sort of lifestyle,   perhaps even thrive in it. If you have a certain mindset of   you just want action and you want to go and do things quickly, you don't want to plan it out.   So if you, if, if you're the type of person who feels that there's wasted time trying to   optimize things such as   normal. So for example,   in the GABA, it's not halfway, but it's a third of the way to your house here. Normally I would be like, all right, well, I want to try and get that.  

So do that so that I can then come directly to your place straight afterwards. So then efficiency. Yeah. And   today, you know, Brendan was going earlier and I'm like, I'm not going to even think about it. I'm just going to drive. And so   drove there, drove home and, you know, I had to recross some some driving, but it's fine because I didn't have to spend 15 minutes trying to figure out, okay, I could see Brendan this time still getting to work now would your mind have changed if you did that, but you were stuck in extra half hour traffic? Well, it wasn't I mean,   no, because I mean, there was this drive to here took longer than necessary. It's okay. There was 10 minutes of traffic. So   I ended up doing an extra   half an hour of driving today, 10 minutes, 10 minutes back and then 10 minutes because of traffic.  

And I was okay with it. And also, you know, I got to the gym today. I was starting to warm up and I just went like, man, I'm spent.   I don't want to train today. This is this is not fun. I'm going to listen to my body. Normally,   routine structure schedule   doesn't matter how how tired I am, doesn't matter how shit my hands and my hands feel, doesn't matter anything. Like, I'm going to try to get done, get it done. And I just went to say like, no, I'm just going to just going to go with the flow today.   I'll listen to my body. Lucas was was like giving me some grief because I was like, listen to your body. He's always about listening to your body. Whereas I'm more like, just get the reps done. It doesn't it doesn't really matter.  

And   it   I wouldn't be able to operate like this long term   and thrive on it. But it has been kind of eye opening just doing it and going like, you know, it's not like my world's falling apart.   I've still managed to get a little bit of Portuguese practice and   spend a lot of time with my family, with loved ones,   you know, cooking,   still had time to relax with my brother, still had time to play with the butters, the   dogs still got  

[00:30:36] Juan Granados:

training. Yeah. You're getting most of the things you would normally be doing, but it's not under a pressurized   system. Yeah. The   the I was trying to think of an analogy, this is gonna be very crude. But   I think you like me in a lot of circumstances,   it's when it's different by both of us, but there is some kind   of discipline pressure that we would put to us, like, a system of us of   you're gonna squeeze it together and that, okay. You gotta do this and you gotta do that and you gotta do this. And I would say, you have to have this almost pressurized   level of urgency of discipline of tasking. You know, doing this thing, next thing, action   to accomplish things.  

But eventually,   you have to release the valve at some point, whether it's mandatory, like life just makes you release it because whatever, you know, you're injured, you're sick, whatever. So you're, like, forced off it. Or in some other case, because I had the exact same thing today, where today, you and I'm not traveling until tomorrow. And so my routine was completely out the window today. I didn't wake up super early, so I slept in.   I went and trained at a completely different time.   I didn't eat the way that I wanted to eat. I didn't do any, like, particular work or anything, you know, any of those behaviors,   but it felt really good. It felt really good to just go in there and train to I had some plan written up, but I actually went, you know, I'll do that. And then I'll I'll squat really heavy because some new brand new plates came in and   the the,   manager sort of, like, overlooking the gym, Todd,   he he went like, oh, you know, we got all these blue plates. And I was like, oh, how many how many blue plates, which is 20 kilos? Well, how many came in? And he said, about 10. And someone joked like I'll use them all. He's like, oh, time to use them all. And I was like, alright. Cool. Let's use them all. So I'll just stack, not all of them, 8 of them, plus some more weight,   to do some squats. I was like, fuck it. Why not?  

But it was all this   this, like, release   of the normal pressure that you might have on one day to day and then pressure again. This is just because it's a self imposed pressure. If I wanna do this and you gotta do that and you gotta do the reps and whatever else, but it felt good it felt good towards the tail end of the day where I had kind of space to think yes probably 70% of the things that I would normally do got done anyways   but I felt more free and   it at least made me feel   good on wanting to get back into the disciplined view of oh, okay. Cool. Now I can go even like, I know it's just as hard as I was doing before, and I've now now feel fresher for it. So I don't know if it's that same words. I couldn't imagine me doing that forever. I wouldn't do 2 weeks of that. But   a little bit of time. Cool. And then you get back on it and you feel good for it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,  

[00:33:11] Kyrin Down:

I felt the most dialed in when I was in Brazil probably out of the last   this year. So since, since the start of the year, the most dialed in I've felt has been in Brazil where,   you know, I've taken   a lot of responsibilities off the podcast   just in terms of, you know, doing the value for value show. Even the show is kind of like, you know, we're not preparing as much as we were previously. Yeah. Meandering was not music. Yeah.   And,   in terms of especially for training and how I felt and just like general mind state,   I had a pretty good routine in Brazil and   I was like just getting into it, I guess, in the probably like 3rd 4th week. And And then I was, you know, like hidden PBs,   exercise wise. I was,   you know, just   really,   I guess, like, enjoying life. Felt like I was progressing.  

At the moment, it feels like it's, it's still just like it's fighting fires. There's, you know, this thing comes up, got to do that.   I want to kind of help out my brother, but then there's other things coming up and then.   All right, well, I'll come up to 2 wants to do the podcast and you know, when am I going to edit this? Well, I guess I'll do it tomorrow, but then, you know, just etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.   And   this is where I think routine is good for kind of like keeping the fires at bay. Yeah, routines. But also, I think there's another thing which maybe  

[00:34:37] Juan Granados:

I I haven't had the probably the privilege   of   worrying about this because either my life was just too simple   or I wasn't playing in a particular level enough or there still weren't anything.   But I heard it from a few different people over the last few months, both interviews and non interviews around   who have done and accomplished things that   are quoted as that's pretty good to do. A lot of them to say is, you know, it wasn't until I eventually, you know, focused,   focus on the actual thing that you wanna be doing and really put a lot of effort into it that it   grew and did well. And I start to see I think it's some of the days when I   take the foot off the pedal and I quote unquote don't do as many things   that I then see   I probably end up focusing more energy into some specific things like say for instance, today was training.  

And I went and   those training, I was able to train really, really well today, like really well, I enjoyed it was one of those days where I go, oh, yeah. Progress was made today.   But if I look back at the last few weeks or months ago, man, I don't think I've had, like, such a good workout like that, like, today. And again, is it is it a thing   of because I am a little bit free, so I'm not thinking of these other things. Is it because I just have more energy to focus in on just a particular workout? I don't know. I don't know what flavor it is, but it makes me think sometimes, like you're saying in Brazil,   it screams to me it's us because you're more focused in a sense of there's a lot of things going on here in Australia, right, in your mind that probably dissipated a little bit when you're over in Brazil. So there's more focus on that. And I think the more focus you can be on something, well, the more you're gonna get out of it, whatever they're getting out of it is for you. Yeah.  



[00:36:18] Kyrin Down:

The other thing I've noticed   is I don't know how to describe this. My decision making has been aura in certain respects as well. Or,   or I'm getting sloppy perhaps is the best way to say it. So there's definitely been   1 or 2   pretty bad decisions I made where I'm like, I why did I do that? That was so dumb. That was a really dumb thing to do.   And then this is one of the ones who spoke about offense. Yes. Yes. Correct. And then there's all I can reshare that unfortunately, folks. And then there's   just smaller ones.   I threw my brother's shoe on the roof.  

And you might ask, Kyren, why why would you do such a thing? Sounds like a long thing.   And it was because   the fucking butt is the dog. So he is being naughty and he's grabbing his sandals and like one of these sandals running off any tug of war and well, no. So what I was doing was like, I got it off him, you know, get it off him. And then he thinks it's I'm playing a game and I'm like, telling no, but it's bad, but he's just so excited. He keeps on to play. So I grab a rope to, like, distract him, but he's still going for this thing. So I'm like trying to distract him with the rope with my left hand. Yeah. And I'm on the driveway with my right hand and I just want to get this thing out of my hand. So it's a way so when he looks like it's not here, so like I managed to distract him. And as he and as he's looking that way, I fling it to go back in the garage. But, you know, instead of flinging it like kind of horizontal,   I got a little bit of that vertical. If you've ever seen me bowl   a tennis ball or a cricket ball instead of my action going   horizontal,   I get some good height   on it. And   so I just I just watched myself throw   my brother's fucking thong sandal on straight onto the roof. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. I just went like,   oh, nice. What? No,   what is going on? How? And there's just been a lot of mini decisions like that.  

Same with my driving. I can see my driving. It's not erratic, but   I used to, you know, double check when I'm crossing lanes and now I'm kind of like   one checking.   Yeah, quick one.   Yeah.  

[00:38:29] Juan Granados:

At least you're doing one checking. I swear. I swear I drive sometime nowadays. I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, that's why that's why once if you're looking on the video, you'll see in the back that he's got a steering wheel drive.   Later here. The one talked about last week, correct, which is took all took all of   5 days for me to acquire.   And basically he needs that because he's such a poor driver. Correct. Correct. I need I need to train some more. I've got a funny story actually. It's actually not it's not funny.   It's interesting. It's weird. Okay. It's weird in the sense of have you ever heard the stories   where   someone goes,   buys a house,   living in a house and you have something weird in the walls and then they   go so we like or   either open up   the the floorboards and what's underneath   is gold  

[00:39:16] Kyrin Down:

money. So I've heard of these things.   I typically like the supernatural ones I've been rather dismissive of. Sure. But yes, I've heard of these sorts of things. Yeah.   It's happened  

[00:39:28] Juan Granados:

in more lights. It's happened to us. It's happened to us today,   in fact. So I was telling you the story. I began it, but I wanted to continue telling it. So,   I'll bring you up to speed quickly for the immortal at the home.   We we have a 3rd bedroom we don't really use it it's kind of a spare bedroom. Karen has used it before   and this particular one had some cupboards, something like a building cupboards, and we noticed as we're trying to get some stuff out that a little bit of mold in there. We went, hey, man. We've had some mold issues before in the past. You've been in the house. Okay. Let's get them out. And my partner went my partner was like this. She was very much like, let's go. We're gonna rip all this up. That's it.   Yeah. God forbid that we have to go and pack and fly tomorrow. 2, 2, again, individuals.  

Correct. So it's crazy. So she went ahead, pulled it all out. Now we kind of as we got most of it out, we noticed like, okay, yeah, we can see this there's definitely some mold there.   Does it go all the way back? It's a bit hollow here. What's behind here? Do we think it's a column? We go down to it so well, okay. Let's rip this out right and so visually if you're looking at I'm trying to just picture for people   you're looking at a wall there's a lot of sort of cupboards if you think like just   drawers, we've pulled out the drawers. What's remaining is just like,   cavities where you'd have clothes sort of hanging up with kind of   columns separating them. Now those particular columns are   about 30 centimeters wide and they're hollow within there. So we weren't sure, you know, what's on behind there. Is it, like, cables? Is it a concrete column? Is it a wooden column out of there? But you're not gonna it feels like it's hollow. Okay. Well, let's rip this up because we can visually see that it's, like, really quite bad moldy. We're gonna have to, like, rip this up anyways. Let's see how far it is. Is it going to anywhere else? The floor is floorboards so we can see it's not there. Right? Let's start cracking   it.  

Now Vynorg puts   a how much if it gets a hammer starts like whacking and try to break the very bottom right of this panel, right is slightly   broken already because of the mold case we started ripping it.   And I hear I've then gone off to look after our daughter. And then I hear this call out like, 1,   1, come here. Okay.   I go go into the room, open the door and   I can see I'm looking down   and my partner, she's kneeling by this piece. She's grabbing a hold of something   and she starts pulling it, Right? So it's pulling it, pulling it, pulling it. So it's within this cavity that we thought this cavity is empty. Right?   And it isn't, in fact, empty. And what she was pulling out   was   Spiderman   underwear.  

Spiderman underwear was getting pulled out, right? So the Spiderman comes out, then another Spider man pants comes out, then another Spider man toy comes out.   At this point, I was like   Does Spider man live here? What's going on? What is going on? Spider   Man lives in my house. This is weird. Now all these things are moldy. So we're like, okay, we can't leave, like like, we can't go to Japan now. So we got like, just, we just destroyed this freaking thing. Like we just smashed it. I was, got the hammer and got in the chisel. It's like smashing the chisel. I was pulling this out   and it was just it was a hollow   section kind of stuck within the wall and within there was   just all these old toys, a recorder,   photographs,   random like kids toys in there.  

And we were like,   what what is going on? What what's happened here? Because it was very much   built in as in this thing's been built into kind of sort of the wall area to make all this section,   but   someone's   purposely put all the sections in here and then like locked them away or it's   maybe somehow fallen off the top or something as it was getting built and they could never pick it up again. Something between the 2,   but   you know,   that's a new one. I've never heard of this before where there was something in the cavity and it was lots of Spider Man underwear, pants   and random toys from recorder. It felt a bit creepy when we were pulling it out there because actually Yeah, you're wondering am I gonna pull out a child's body as well? We thought we were like, dude, did someone die here or something? Like is this like someone killed him and this is the remains? But the full thing   that got pulled out was this brown satchel bag that was wet like wet red wet we're like   what is this now I don't know what possessed this we just opened it straight away we're like hey let's put it up it was a recorder   and there's like a wooden recorder a little wet and I'd say it's probably more sick of the mall than the moisture that was in there but man I don't know what we're gonna pull out I was like I did not expect anything to be in here.  

Now, likely,   it's random sort of freaking things here being like really liquidy that's making it worse,   but yeah we were like wow we've discovered something within the walls. I've heard of these stories of you know a dead body or   you know something supernatural or money.  

[00:44:14] Kyrin Down:

Let's spend them. Spider Man on these. What are you gonna do with them? They're already in the bid. They've already been through that because I mean, they were like moldy as hell. We did  

[00:44:22] Juan Granados:

take some photos. We saw that I'll I'll show you afterwards.   The   some of the stuff noted 2,005   or some other like a calendar from 2011.   Okay. So, you know,   at least it's 2011, that sort of thing, but those Interesting. Yeah. Those receipts in there from 2005 as well. We're like They got receipts? Yeah. Well, what's going on, man? So this is, you know, now 20 years ago that some of these things have been built into here. So I don't know. I don't know what other goodies we can might find in this house.  

[00:44:50] Kyrin Down:

I'm looking for it. You know, is there more paneling  

[00:44:53] Juan Granados:

next to it that could be opened up? Yep, there is. So maybe the next one over is where dead body is. That's where all that money lives. Yeah. It was just the one of the Spider Man. It must be Batman on these and stuff like that. So yep. Meanwhile, if you've got if you've got interesting stories like that around the home, let me know. I would not have expected that of today. Well, so my dad's leaving  

[00:45:13] Kyrin Down:

because it's just way too big a house of our family house. You know, I moved we moved there when I was built it when I was 2   and my brother always lived there.  

[00:45:24] Juan Granados:

If you want to take a sneak peek of what that looks like, can go to see the videos. I'm very first ever videos on the podcast. Yes, correct. Yeah. It will be a bedroom in   Karen's  

[00:45:34] Kyrin Down:

family home. About the first 30 episodes you're on YouTube. You have to go to like an old playlist   to see them. To see them. Yeah.   And   so   only we've ever lived there.   You know, should I leave a parting gift or   for whoever's gonna   find, buy the house after my dad vacates, which will be in the next month or 2, probably. Or you leave to really confuse people.  

[00:45:58] Juan Granados:

Just try   to think. Like, there's morbid stuff, but what's like a really interesting, weird thing that you could do? Like. Yeah. Or a hard drive with  

[00:46:08] Kyrin Down:

I'm always a fan of like the hard drive of the USB. Like, you find a mysterious USB because,   I found a,   a,   a phone.   What's it called? 1 of those like micro, not micro USB SIM. Yeah. It was like a SIM thing for like a camera or whatever.   And,   I've actually just been savoring it. I found that a while ago, but I've been like, one day I'm going to crack this open and see what's in here. So leaving a USB in there, you know, putting on a couple   of our old episodes perhaps,   that's   like just a couple of like photos of myself  

[00:46:45] Juan Granados:

in like, yeah, I don't know. I wonder if you could leave like in a little satchel Maybe maybe USB.   And then, like, a note inside saying,   forgot, like, you know,   1,000 500 bitcoins inside. Yeah. No. I was forgotten.  

[00:47:02] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I like that. Well, I was I was thinking I could just put in some random   seed seed phrases to like crappy wallets that I used to use, which might still have like a little bit of dust in there. Just put a husky NFT to like a few different places. Just get them together.   It. Yeah. But I can't think of any any   I just don't have any stuff that I think that's really that interesting.   You know, maybe an old love letter or something like that.   Then they're like, oh, my God, who's this mysterious?  

[00:47:33] Juan Granados:

Who may be sending who is sending? Maybe creepy. Like, get some creepy dolls and put them into, like, weird   places in the walls or something.  

[00:47:43] Kyrin Down:

The when I was in Brazil,   Lucas is,   Lucas's girlfriend's mother is   her mother was from Portugal.   Try and figure that out. And   no, sorry. Her husband   was from Portugal. Right. Okay.   And,   he brought back some of the like, you know, those kind of like porcelain dolls. Yes. Yes. Well, there's a Portuguese version of that and that she had this one in her place, which was, you know, decent topless size, you know, good. Good. A half a meter tall, maybe even a bit bigger. And Lucas, as a as a joke, put   it in a in a room   with the light on, like, shining up underneath it. And   his girlfriend walked in, got scared the fuck out.  



[00:48:29] Juan Granados:

That would not be a fun thing to like walk into creepy creepy dolls sitting like in the corner  

[00:48:35] Kyrin Down:

face up right at you. Yeah. Luke is going to trouble. So it's cheeky. It's cheeky. She she likes it as well. He's he's a troll and she she enjoys being well. We'll be more if you got any ideas. Yeah. Yeah. Please. And scare future  

[00:48:48] Juan Granados:

ideas. Send them through send a boost to gram in and maybe you could put a walkie talkie on the walls and then you keep the other walkie talkie. Yeah. Have it for some   way that you can turn it on remotely.  

[00:49:00] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Where it'll   Yeah, you know, make the noise and stuff like that. That'd be kind of cool. Wouldn't that? Yeah. So we find a new pen pal when you get into it. I've  

[00:49:09] Juan Granados:

heard my partner's mom had   a   tenant   who was complaining and so got the property manager to call out a   someone someone to come and fix the wall because they're like, oh, the wall's making really weird noises, and we think there's an issue in here. And in that particular scenario, what it ended up being   was that these tenants had a kid. The kid had just dropped a toy on the back of the sofa, and it was a toy making noises in the back of the sofa. In the back of the sofa not in the wall. Not in the wall. It was just it just falling down the crevice   and it was just making noises and they thought it was the wall they got weird yeah it was wild it was pretty wild yeah and so she had to go and pay the full call out fee for the builder to come out to go and inspect And they came out to inspect and like,   it's toy.  

So  

[00:49:58] Kyrin Down:

it's also that level of craziness as well. Well. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'd be more like to do let Karen know if there's ways that he can spook the future. For sure. Yeah. So so just ran this off. This is a value value podcast. If you want to know how to send in a message like that,   well, we first of all, a couple of things you can do to help us   time share it with someone. If you've   got a friend who is into, you know, creepy, creepypasta stuff, tell them and send them this story. Maybe they'll want to reach out to 1 if you've put trips on traveling to Japan with with 1 year olds. That's probably also helpful things you can send through.   13 hours to get to me. Yeah, yeah. Get it in rapid. And that also gets to the talent section.  



[00:50:40] Juan Granados:

If if you are in Japan and like Yeah, that's a good point. If you listen to this podcast   if you listen to this podcast, you're more light out there. You're in Japan, specifically obviously Tokyo and Osaka. If you're there 100%. Yeah. You know, maybe we can say hello. Yeah. Same same any like random Brazilian  

[00:50:58] Kyrin Down:

people who aren't connected with Lucas because they probably already know me. So, yeah, let me know. I'll probably be going back to Brazil in 3 to 4 weeks time. And maybe even Sydney before current potential trying to figure it out. But we'll see. We'll have a look see at that. And,   yeah, and sending through some treasure is how you could also do this. So if you reach out on via social media, any of the platforms that we usually see it   in the past we said like, well, we'll definitely see it. I'm like, we'll usually see it. Yeah. More   often than not, we will. But yeah, maybe there be a couple of days and we miss it or something goes unnoticed. But generally, we'll see it. People find a way, you know, there's a way to contact us via our website. We never talk about it. But people ever you do it every now and then. Yeah, every now and again, they do. Exactly. That's super cool. And yeah, as we were saying, this podcast is supported by you at home. So sending in some treasure, we particularly like it if you send in a boost to ground. So if you go on to new models podcast.com/support,   I've got a little about section there about   what kind of app you can use to do this, how you might want to do it, different numbers you can choose to send in. We love seeing your messages, reading them out, and it's very, very much appreciated   when you do that. Absolutely. Well, new one lines have come to the end of another show. Thank you very much for tuning in for those who are listening live either on the audio or the video. I I hope you have enjoyed. There were a couple of live things that actually came in. Was it okay? Like this gave you some a good tip for Japan. What do you say? Watch out for small rocks. Watch out. Don't step on them on.  

And then I think he was also just saying,   he was laughing at   the story about handstands and feeling your body and stuff like that. So you're going to feel your body. If you want to join us, we are at the   it's going to change.   So just check out our YouTube   or on one of these modern podcasting apps because I do   put out   in advance when we'll be   talking. So next one will probably be Friday,   depending on how.   5th.   Is it that close already? By 24th. That's crazy.   Friday will be the 24th. Correct. So we should be talking live Friday 24th   and yeah,   just check out that and you'll be able to, to know exactly when we'll be going go in life because it's going to be up in the air for probably the next month. And a bit maybe next 3 months. 3 months. That's I'll tell it is we're gonna roll with a bunch of folks. That's something we'd be disciplined when we can and  

[00:53:30] Juan Granados:

go with the flow when we can't. But in more alliance, we're gonna leave it there. Thank you very much for tuning in Juan out. Darren out.