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Get ready for some observations that only the Mere Mortals could make.

In Episode #486 of 'Meanderings', Juan and I discuss: how the travel setting can allow for memorable moments (such as a boat trip in Mykonos and meaningful one-on-one conversations with friends), a Mere Mortal exclusive comparison between Florence and a mining site, the challenges of maintaining a healthy lifestyle while travelling, complaints about average pasta & lack of food choices (in general) and how our weight changes were rather unexpected.

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Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:00) Homesick But Driven
(00:04:07) The Boat Trip
(00:08:00) D&M Settings
(00:12:21) Florence vs. a Mine Site
(00:19:39) Gorgeous Women Everywhere!
(00:30:16) Just An Observation Or Something Deeper?
(00:32:18) Boostagram Lounge
(00:37:29) Food Experiences In Europe
(00:49:20) Weight Changes & Health Observations
(00:55:50) V4V

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[00:00:04] Juan Granados:

Hello. Hi. Goodness. Welcome back Mere Mortalites where we like to use whatever tools we have on hand to have great conversations. You've got Juan here. And Kyrin on the other side. July   20,   and it's it's a we're doing it. It's another meandering? This one? Yeah. Yeah. This is the last meandering. And then we'll go into an actual, like, musings where we pick a topic in particular. Like, there's a topic There is a topic today, and it might be a little bit deeper than what we had last week. But I haven't taken notes, for example. Neither of them. Yeah. Correct.   So last week we basically just went on a bit of a rampage around   what was going on while we were in Europe, all the various places, what we liked, what we didn't like. Again, if you wanna go check that out, wanna listen into that, go back if you if you feel free. If you're listening to us live, and if you're new, perhaps, obviously, drop a comment. If you're listening to us later, we're live on nine a 9AM, but today's a special 8AM.  

I need to get going somewhere else Yep. In soon.   Yeah. No. Today, what we wanna be talking about is   interestingly enough, just   the from the European trip that we just went on,   just more so, I guess,   the the feelings,   the connections, the relationships,   the maybe more deeper things that started occurring   over there and perhaps when now that we're back, what it's feeling like here as well. Yep. I've also noticed how video source has just gone crazy. So I'm gonna try and fix that a little bit. So you start me off with a Do we start off with one of my Yeah, yes, please. Okay. So if you are watching the video, Karen's getting busy fixing some stuff or just seeing what's going on, but I'm gonna get started on, one from my side and I'll go,   not necessarily   actually, no. Let me start with this. I'll start with in in the moment   over in Europe. So   there was   to give you a bit of an example or a comparison,   in all the trips in the past that I've taken personally,   usually it being   two to three weeks in length.  

Normally,   I find   myself really   enjoying   maybe about halfway through all of those sort of retreats or holidays,   really wanting to get back into doing things. So that might be getting back into doing some sort of work or business idea,   looking at properties.   In fact, that was last time I ended up going to Greece. I remember specifically   being in Naxos   next to a pool   and, like, writing down numbers and looking up rural remote,   Melbourne properties to see which ones is the right investment to buy and stuff like that. So often   I've had moments in,   yeah, in the past in holidays where I've kinda kind of started thinking that, hey. I I feel   like I wanna get back. I wanna be doing the the things I wanna be doing. But this particular time around, there there was a slight difference, and that was firstly, this is it was the longest trip or longest holiday I've ever taken,   in my life.  

So prior to that, I've never had a longer holiday, and at least this is while I've been working, let's just say my working life.   And and during the whole time, there wasn't a a single moment   that I really wanted to rush back to my   normal everyday life. Now I wasn't sure   if that was because the holiday itself was so awesome.   Could have been that. It could have been that there was a lot of variations and new stuff that I was doing. So, yeah, perhaps something like that.   Yeah.   Ultimately, for for me, I kinda thought,   I don't know what's making it different, but   it's good. It it I didn't I didn't get frustrated. In fact, at the very beginning of the trip or the holiday,   I started thinking, wow. I wonder when that's gonna hit me. You know? I wonder when this thing is gonna hit me where,   where it's like going, oh, yeah. I wanna get back into it. I'm I'm homesick. I'm homesick,   but I'm also, like,   driven, motivated to go and do something new and exciting, sick.  

But, again, that didn't come. So good some bad   stewards. But then, I guess another kind of example and maybe from how I felt about it all was   there there was a moment where we took a trip in Mykonos,   a boat trip. And this particular boat trip, we were heading out to these two different islands,   to, like, get for swims and jump off the boat and everything else. And there was this one moment. I'm talking more so, moments and   what I I guess I feel thinking of back home and and relationships and stuff like that.   We were coming back.  

I was standing at the top of the boat when everyone was, like, dancing around,   after playing drinks and swimming in a hot day, out of the sun.   And I was sitting out there kinda, like, looking around and making us mean like,   man, the   both the part of this holiday has been very   different, different in the feeling of,   I didn't don't feel like I'm rushing back home. Mhmm. But I think also   ultimately, because it also felt like I was   already surrounded by all the people   and I guess the the individuals that I would normally be catching up with at home in that moment.   I don't know. Something about that moment. There was a couple more for the trip, but, like, that particular moment from a,   perspective setting,   from a idea of how I felt around it, I I was kinda like, you know what? This feels this feels   good. This feels very different. I don't know if anyone listening to this now can kinda relate to that where   where you've maybe you generally go on a holiday, you go on some time away and you can't wait to get back,   and then you just go on this one faithful trip where it just slightly differs, slightly changes,   and you get this, like, couple of hits maybe of realizations.  

Maybe you have a more mature thought of like, wow. No. This this is what is happiness or success or doing the certain things. And, again, I think I don't know if I said this on the podcast or not last time, but,   I remember the other thought was, you know, you could you could spend however much money you wanted to to be on, I don't know, a Superyacht or something like that and really enjoying yourself.   However, here we were in a more smaller catamaran with, like, just random people, and it was as much fun as I could imagine it to be. It was as   spontaneous   and serendipitous as you needed it to be. It was the unlimited goon. It was the unlimited goon that they were handing out all this very same bottle,   whichever case it was. I kinda yeah. It made me stop and think and get like, wow. Again, awesome holiday. Fantastic. But also kind of a reflection on which kind of has lasted still to this day, being back home now for, like, almost a month   of shifting thoughts around.  

Yeah. But what does it mean to actually   aspects of success, aspects of where do I spend my energy   of yeah. If I'm pursuing a another business idea,   trying to support someone,   Is there really   time in my life where I really wanna be devoting to that? And is the benefit that I'm gaining there really offset maybe what other things I'm I'm letting go? So, yeah, that that was like a a good I wouldn't say pivotal, but it was just a really great moment that I can remember   where now it's extended all the way through to to today. And I did the the beauty of it is I did nothing to kinda, like, trigger it. Just like I was having a real good time. It ended up being I was either I applied to the right time and kinda, like, all these sort of process were going through through me. I was like, Good. And it wasn't, again,   a process where   I needed to alter something dramatically.  

It was   kind of the little spark that when I got back home was what initiated the new morning routine and a few other things. It's felt like, yeah. Good. So that's probably like the one call that I'd probably say,   at the moment. Yeah. Cool.  

[00:08:01] Kyrin Down:

My   two favorite moments and just for those watching with the on on video, I've resorted to the webcam view because it was just glitching out. When you do the boost scrambler, I might have another.  

[00:08:14] Juan Granados:

The webcam looks like it looks like she all right, to be honest.   Well, it doesn't look too bad. Yeah, it could. Like it was. I was literally looking around like where's the other camera that you've set up? What's going on? Could be a lot  

[00:08:24] Kyrin Down:

of   us. So two of my favorite moments from the entire trip were the spontaneous,   unexpected,   couldn't plan it type of   ones. And they are both two things which   are very easily achievable   in terms of   organization   back here. And those were the one on one chats I had with you   when we went for an early morning run. Yes. And   a one on one chat I had with Joseph when we're in Athens, and we, we got a little bit of time together. And the   you know, I talked with Joey   two days ago, on the phone for forty minutes,   you know, a little bit divided attention because he was at work. But I mean, that's never stopped him from   devoting like almost 100% attention to me instead of, you know, the electrical work that he's doing.  

This is why   I worry for him and that we're gonna hear of   a camera man walks into a transformer   and fries himself.   The   but so like,   almost the exact same thing. We had   oodles of time, I got oodles of time I chatted with you yesterday for one on one for a whole fucking run.   But it was the setting that was different. And just the,   I don't know, the contemplative mood, perhaps that we're both in, you know,   look, the setting was almost identical yesterday, as it was to when we're in Mykonos. We went for a run, and then we kind of chilled out for   a bunch afterwards.  

But in Mykonos, you know, we got to talk more about like life, you know, your kind of future plans, my future future plans, things we're thinking of, and just getting to like a much deeper level than we normally do.   And   I don't know,   maybe it's similar to what you're just describing before. But there's there's something about   just completely changing your your setting   that allows you to,   To get into that sort of like. Yeah, yeah. And without the need for, you know, psychedelics, for example, which people people can take.   I've, I've,   experimented with psychedelics   both here in Brisbane and overseas.  

The overseas ones were much more impactful when I when I did it there. And,   you know, I think part of it was just the different setting, yeah, different setting, and you kind of allow yourself to be a bit more different.   And, you know, it helps with the different setting. We're   on the beach in Mykonos   laying on one of the beach chairs, which we got for free because we were there ridiculously early in the morning.   And   when I was in Athens with Joey, we're on the rooftop of his little Airbnb.   And   the Parthenon,   the Parthenon Acropolis   is just there in front of us just like, that was pretty wild, actually, in terms of   an experience,   being on top of a roof. And just for whatever reason, their rooftop had a really, really nice view, because a lot of the others are kind of crowded out. But his like a direct view. Yeah, not not because the Airbnb   in itself was, you know, super swaggy and fancy or anything. It was just pure luck. There's probably better Airbnbs which   have shittier views.  

And we're just on the roof, playing some music, you know, we had a drink.   And it was just fantastic. Got to talk a lot about life.   Talked about my mom a little bit with Joey, he was talking about, you know, things going on with   his his new baby,   everything.   All this sort of stuff that it's it's kind of hard to get into when it's like,  

[00:12:12] Juan Granados:

just down for a coffee or just Yeah, exactly.  

[00:12:15] Kyrin Down:

Exactly. Yeah. The d and m's the d and m's people. So that was that was really nice experience.   Now I'll probably tell my story of the   the own one of the experiences that I feel like I'm one of the uniquely qualified people in the world to do. Yeah. Okay.   So   which is the the title of today, which I'll read out because I can't remember it off the top of my head. I mean, floral fashionable feminine Florence versus a monetary masculine mindset.   What the hell do I mean by that?   And   this is where my unique combination of   insights   of life experience,   and   personality   all all triangulated.  

And I'm going to explain now why   Florence is   basically the same as a toxic mine site. And   here we go. So   when I worked in the mines, there's a couple of things that you you notice, and this is,   from what I've seen across other people who also have worked in mines in America, it's it's   a very similar   experience, which is the kind of FIFO work or the,   you're working in a mine, like let's say it's a gold mine or   coal mine and iron ore mine doesn't really matter which type of mine.   Copper that   they're all similar in a couple of respects.   Male dominated, and I'm gonna say   90 plus percent   is the is the norm. I feel like where I worked at Hell Creek was probably 95%   plus. Yep.  

The reason you go out there is for the money. You're there for a very particular reason.   And it's,   that's, that's why you go there.   The work behavior,   because of the location,   incentivizes   certain types of behavior. So in the mines, for example,   you typically have a drink after work, if not multiple drinks, it's rather stressful. So you're kind of like relaxing   slash it's a bonding experience with your mates with your with your work colleagues,   you typically   are eating   the substandard   food, I would say you have the buffet type   experience out there. But you know, I just started thinking how you're gonna map this to Florence. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, just wait just wait.  

You've got plenty of food choices available.   But   the food is still very much you're in the middle of nowhere. Like you're not getting farm fresh ingredients,   you're getting shit that's been shipped out there   in bulk, because there's 1,000 people on the mine, you know, two fifty   a minimum at any given time.   They're just, you know, you're kind of like pigs go into the trough, just   literally what you feel like there's just a buffet and you go and you put whatever the fuck you want on there. And there's always a chips option. You know, that thing. There's always you have chips with almost every meal. That's just what you do.   So if you go very far out of your way, you can   eat like salads and stuff. But you're not really going to do that. That's just not what happens.  

And I didn't even have a microwave in my room. So there was no way of me   bringing in   my own   food, really and cooking it there. Like, it's, it just doesn't happen.   So you have that sort of behavior.   The   relationship   skew is very weird. Because if you've got that many guys,   and that few girls,   then all the guys turn into like,   fucking   hungry,   if not incel   desk. Yeah, like you got the the two extremes. There's the people who are like, fuck anything.   And there's people who will be like, I'm just going to like. I'm selling it. I'm yeah, I'm going to jump out of the dating game. And this applies even if you're doing FIFO work. So fly in and fly out. You fly in for two weeks or whatever. You fly out for one week. You you have to have a very particular partner who's willing to   put up with you for 20 fourseven   for a week, and   then not see you at all for two weeks. You know, that's,   that's a very   different type of relationship than most people are used to.  

The women on the other   hand, princesses, essentially, because they've just got unlimited male attention. Yeah. So they are one hidden above their weight. Good on them. Nothing, nothing wrong with that. You know, if you got the opportunity to do it. But it's a very big change in their mentality as well. And they start to   act and behave in certain ways where you're like,  

[00:16:57] Juan Granados:

this is this wouldn't be deemed appropriate in a normal Yeah, ratio. Well, this wouldn't fly in  

[00:17:05] Kyrin Down:

a fiftyfifty balanced type of   scenario in a city. So can't wait for the mapping to get Florence on this. So so that's just like a little bit of a general sketch. And then,   you know, because of all these behaviors, people tend to   come and go very rapidly. So for example,   I noticed that the average turnover was about two to three years,   I myself lasted two and a half years in the mines. And there was a whole bunch of reasons why I left.   And most of them were linked to this type of   overall setting.   I got done with earning money, I had enough, I didn't particularly enjoy being away from my friends and family, I had to totally   relocate   city. And then even then half more than half my time was spent at an actual mine site in the middle of nowhere.  

The I noticed I was drinking   way too much, especially on weekends.   And I wasn't happy nor content. And,   you know, I just broke it up with my girlfriend. And I'm like, what am I doing out here was essentially the point that I got to,   let's go to Florence. So I go to Florence, and   you go in there. And there's, it's undeniably beautiful. You walking around.   At certain times, there's I'd say like a superficial   level of of beauty. And similar to the mines as well, if you go out to a mine site, and you've got like an open cup mine in front of you. Holy fuck, look at this big asshole in the ground. There's something enticing about that.   If you're standing next to a drag line or even just a whole truck, the wheels twice your height, you're essentially looking at it. It's like,   yeah, bit things. That's not the usual, not the norm. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's fascinating because people love going out to for a tour to mine site. I took my family. They're all just like, holy shit. So yeah, San Diego's in Florence and a lot of people trying domes,  

[00:19:00] Juan Granados:

trying building  

[00:19:01] Kyrin Down:

ornate things. You can have the   especially in the evenings, you're going out, you're on the one of the bridges in Florence, just looking down the kind of like main river on the Arno,   it's very flat. The lights reflecting off the water. There's usually someone with a violin playing or something. It's very, very stunning. No doubt about it. But   if you get beyond the superficial level, there's a lot of commonalities   that I noticed. And I got to notice this because I went there to visit my ex. And she gave me a kind of rundown of daily life there. And I got to experience some of the daily life because I was there for about a week.   What you notice straightaway,   I arrived there just after what is called PT,   which is a basically fashion week in Florence.  

And so what I noticed, first of all, was just like,   gorgeous women   walking around on their own or in pairs,   and almost zero guys inside. It was like,   heaven,   Beauty everywhere.   And   I'm talking like, real stunners. Yeah, absolutely stunning girls. This is like, like statistical   anomalies happening here. Yeah, what is going on? Correct. So it's a it's a fashion center. So you've got like, I've   now learned a bunch of names, which I've never heard of. Have you heard of Ferragamo before? Yes. I'd never heard of that. I'm like, what the fuck? I did hear directly from Karen Sacks that he didn't know about Ferragamo. Yeah. I was like, Yeah, what the hell, man?   Ferragamo and   there's Louis Vuitton and there's all this, you know, whatever. All these stores I'd never heard of before.  

So you get the fashion aspect that naturally draws in either women or gay men. So of the men that you do see walking around, there's a fair few who are very obviously noticeably gay. So you're already going like, okay, there's a bit of a ratio skew here. And you notice this in the guys walking with girls as partners,   where you're like, that dude's punched above his weight, good on him.   So you get that sort of behavior, as well as it's a   university city. So   a lot of young females in particular are going there. I noticed a lot of Americans and apparently they were going there because it's like   a thing to do, especially for females.  

You go to Florence for a semester,   doing like business, not even like arts or literature, which I thought or fashion, you go there for like business. And it's the kind of like you're in Italy. I think it draws in more women naturally Italy just in general. Yeah.   And so   because yes, you do have the arts, you've got the architecture, you've got the,   yeah,  

[00:21:43] Juan Granados:

sort of things which just naturally. Part of me thinks I wonder if,   if people knew about   the the history, like, a lot of the history of Italy and the little places around and the battles of the kings and stuff like that, if it would attract more more males because   part of my attraction to Italy was, Assassin's Creed   slash the Mhmm. Some of the history around that. And it went or was it the,   Robert,   Robert Greene's,   48 Lords of Power? Oh, Machiavelli. Has a lot of no. No Machiavelli, but, like, Robert Greene's one. He has a lot of analogies and comparisons and stories   of Italian kings in battle in the June.  

So, oh, yeah.   Side side piece. I wonder if you males out there, if you read a lot of that, maybe you'd be like, oh, shit. I wanna go to Italy. Yeah.   But but the the the the common common thing would be like common trope would be beautiful Italy attracts a female. Sure.  

[00:22:36] Kyrin Down:

That   I walking around, I no joke felt like the fittest person out   many times. And I think that was mostly because there was just not many males around.   When I did go to see Cauccio Stordico. There was definitely some fit dudes there,   like actual fighters and stuff like that, who had a whole bunch of muscle on them, of course. And we'll talk a little bit about muscle in the second portion of the boost grand lunge. But   it was it was definitely an experience of walking around where I'm like, okay, this is this is rather strange.   What my ex told me about daily life in Florence,   you know, you go out, you do your job, and then in the evening,   catch up with some friends, you might have a Pero Chivo. So you're hanging out in like one of the little mini bars, have a drink. And then it's like, oh, you know, one thing at least another, maybe let's grab a pizza. So you could get a pizza together. And it's like, oh, one thing leads to another might have another drink or a wine. And then you get a gelato afterwards.  

As I was walking around after a bunch of very average pasta,   and okay pizza,   I was hungry for something different. I felt like a salad felt like something different. So I'm typing I'm typing in, you know, like, fresh food, Florence,   healthy food, Florence.   Nothing. There's nothing out there. And   you could find sure, like a steak if you wanted some protein.   But there's   an I'm sure there's a way to find a place where you can get a good salad. And you know, I didn't really have kitchens available.   I'm in hostels, you know, it's just like inconvenient, I had no place to like store food. So I could have made it work. But   in general, there's not a good   access to   the cleaner, healthier eating, for example.  

Similar with the mines, I forgot to mention this, there's a little gym there.   But,   you know, there's a little running track, but   it's not   a total fusion. It's not a   very nice gym   with a good running trip. Yeah. So   there was a big park nearby, which I could do a run-in, but I had to walk   twenty five minutes to get to it to then be able to do the run. And I'm talking like walking in the fucking narrow streets where there's   the streets are, you know, a meter wide, the footpaths are meter wide. So you tried running   there, it's just gonna be very inconvenient. If not, you're gonna hurt yourself and other people.  

So it's very hard to have a healthy lifestyle.   Almost no kids around in the city.   That's, that's kind of city life, I guess in general, but even outside of it, I'm like, I don't I'm not seeing many kids around here or families.   Andrea was mentioning   the   turnover of her friends. She's been living there about three years, and her friends just keep disappearing. She's trying to get a like a social group together.   And they just like one after the other, they're moving to Milan, they're all they'll find a partner and they're moving somewhere else. And then it's not really a place to like,  

[00:25:35] Juan Granados:

particularly, it's not a place to stay put in rents. It's like,  

[00:25:39] Kyrin Down:

Yeah, correct. And  

[00:25:41] Juan Granados:

it was there for a reason for a little bit. And the reason  

[00:25:44] Kyrin Down:

is the fashion, I think, for the most part, or perhaps, you know, the you go there for university for a couple of years, but you   there's no real reason to stay beyond that. And   then I was getting into some other things. So obviously, like you got the unhealthy lifestyle,   you got the kind of weird relationships. And then with the skew of that the amount   of her and her friends and look, this could just be indicative of them of   stories of   what they were saying. And once again, very one-sided, but Italian guys acting like complete assholes   was gone. I'm like, I know, this is sounding was reminding me a bit of the princess mentality I saw out in the minds.  

And so all of these things kind of just added up. I'm like,   this is the same thing. It's it's the same thing, but a female version. You've got the mindsets and all the weird behavior that comes from that.   You've got Florence, and it's pretty much identical.   I,   you know, it's different, obviously. But the outcomes of people behaving,   the all the things that I guess we find important in life or relationships,   health,   where you spend your time,   it all just added up to me being like, this is a place where you come and stay for a little bit and then you get the fuck out of. And that was actually my kind of recommendation to her. I'm like, you've been here two to three years, I'm gonna get out, I would suggest that you leave, like, what what is here for you, and she was having a bit of a rough time.   And for a variety of reasons.  

I was like,   Look, this is just what I've noticed from the mine sites. And   if you stay longer,   another one. So   she was going around. And   with this PT   thing, you just go to parties. So you go and there's all I've listed all of the random shit you can get from the mine sites   when boom periods are going on and much like PT,   you can have like these parties where it's just like,   Oh, it's this famous person's coming in and he's like, Oh, it's Ferragamo, it's fucking Louis Vuitton or whatever, you know? And so you got all these beautiful women flocking around   old elderly men and fawning over them. And then you're just like, Alright, that's kind of fucking gross. In the mines they used to have.  

They'd fly in hookers, like flying prostitutes was a profession period. FIFO prostitution. So they would live in the cities, and they would just fly to   MacKay or to wherever   out in the middle of nowhere,   do their work for   a couple of couple of nights, and then fly back and   earn a lot of money.   So   she was saying like, Oh, I met that person from somewhere, but I can't remember. And she was having all these things. And I think this is where if you stay in a place too long,   behavior becomes normalized, and you think it's normal. So she thought it was normal for   her to meet someone   not remember who they are. And maybe they remember her. And then she's acting like, Oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, so good to see you. Then be like, I have no idea who that person was.  

That's not normal. That's   kind of weird.   Yeah. So if you stay in these places, transactional, very transactional. Yeah.   If you stay in these places,   I think you get used to this being the normality of life, as well and not realizing,   okay, that's kind of weird. That's kind of weird. And I'm using the word weird in the sense of   behavior that's   outside,   you're non reflective of your behavior. And if you look at it   three years prior, before you were there, then you'd say, I don't want to act like that, or that's not something I value or want to do. But if you just stay there long enough,   it becomes normalized. And   you become used to spending  

[00:29:37] Juan Granados:

30,000 on a jet ski, even though you're living in the middle of nowhere. And there's no water around and you might just like, well, you buy it for where you're where you're staying, fly, fly and fly out. And then you that Yeah, you never use  

[00:29:50] Kyrin Down:

it. So all of that just combined. I went, you know, I'm probably one of the only people   who would work in a mine site,   have worked in a mine site for a long time   and also like to travel. I feel like that crossover is not not that strong. Like a broad travel, not just like,  

[00:30:07] Juan Granados:

maybe they travel a lot to South Asia. Yeah. Yeah. I  

[00:30:11] Kyrin Down:

Yeah, I guess in that sense. Yeah.   And you know someone who was in living in Florence experience.  

[00:30:17] Juan Granados:

Did you say was it more like it was an observation that you took? You were like, man, this is sort of, like, wild,   or was   it even a step beyond where you're like,   it's a change in your we're talking about, like, states or, like, environment.   Did it make you change as well-being like, yep. I don't wanna ever, like, stay in a place like this, like again, with that comparison? Like, was it that level of alternating? Or it was just a that's a final summation? It was more the final observation. But now that you mentioned it,  

[00:30:45] Kyrin Down:

after visiting Switzerland afterwards,   and   then having the because a lot of this is just initial reaction I   pieced together this is like the mines before I then   figured out all of these explanations, which   kind of came afterwards as to why I was noting noticing the similarity. It's like, you know, pattern recognition, then you have to go like, oh, why was that actually similar to   that? Similar to Switzerland, I guess when I was saying very livable, and you were saying that about Vienna.   The reasons   are the kind of small ones, the feeling of safety,   the   nice   accessibility to amenities   of   just having even water fountains makes a huge you think like it's a water fountain car and how big of an impact can that have on your life is huge, man. Every time I go outdoors,   I carry a water bottle around with me because I'm always   if I don't do that I will be constantly dehydrated.  

And I was very dehydrated   almost through all of my travels apart from Zurich,   because I had clean, fresh, nice water   accessible at any given time. So I guess it it does put into   light, what I care about and the things that I care about and why I care about them.   But yeah, it was more the fun aspect of Yeah, okay. Is is a is a alliteration  

[00:32:08] Juan Granados:

that I can put for I don't know if anyone in the world has made that connection or said that specifically. Not sure. Me bought us first. Exclusive. That's right. We're in here. I'm gonna jump us to to the boost to ground because we have a wrap up today at nine precisely. Yep. So I'm gonna jump in here to the boost to ground. Currently, I'm gonna try and just fix up the video to the full one just in case we can. If not, obviously, we'll go back back to it.   Look again, Boostgrams is is is our way or, like the Boostgram lounge. We just like to call out the support that's been coming through to   us here at the podcast. It's usually people leveraging   the applications like Truefans,   Customatic.  

You've got there's plenty out there now, but it's in a way for people to either stream through some sort of Satoshis, which are fractional Bitcoin, or send through a boost to gram. And the boost to gram is, some sort of message attached to fractional Bitcoin, and again, here being Satoshi. And but if you've used it before, if you've played around with, Satoshis and pod podcasting two point o and everything, and for those who are sending it through, we appreciate you. We call you out. If you haven't,   again, the the kind of call out is it would be great if you did. It's something that we've put up videos around   in the past on the website. I don't know if it's still on the website. I'm assuming it is.  

The video that Kyung created around the,   the, you know, how to use the various ones. So it should be there.   In any case,   yeah, it it's truly we we thank thank you very much, and I'm not gonna call out all the various streaming that's come through either.   So just just, quickly since we   last week's, episode, I guess, the the main call that is we just continue to get   come through our Boostagram sort of like notes, but it's more of a streams that, come through.   And these are on true fans. So some from,   the late bloomer actor,   have been coming through. So   that's been just listening to discipline reset,   and the European adventures as well.  

So that's kinda been the main main boosts that have come through,   in the last couple of days.   So   just type in a quick look. No. No. All this from the book reviews or the In motion and everything else.   But, again, for those who support, there are, as I said, streams as well that come through that we don't necessarily call out. Yeah. Do appreciate that. It's something that   we we wanna see more of as well, but we're also realistic around   where the world's at with, you know, utilizing our sort of platform. Plus, with the price of Bitcoin itself going up,   yeah, it might, again, incentivize people to leverage it less and less or use it as a different storage asset as opposed to sending it in that manner. Sure. Sure. That's the the boost. Yeah. There's plenty of other ways that they can support us as well, but this is the the monetary side of things. So, yeah, just an encouragement.  



[00:35:05] Kyrin Down:

I have been catching up on podcasting two point zero. And I have. Yeah. And one of the things that happened recently is,   Spotify actually adopted the namespace,   which is   the podcasting two point zero, at least a portion of it. So in particular transcripts.   So we put transcripts in in our show notes. Well, Pod home does it automatically.   And   if we go into the settings in Spotify now we can say like, I don't want your automatic ones, which I will do because   I, well,   probably I haven't checked. But I can almost certainly say it will get my name wrong. Brian, okay. And I go into every single episode and I correct my name to make it Kyrene   and not Kyren or Kyron or Kyren   or you can or whatever the fuck else it puts it out. So and if you go back to like our old episodes from like three years ago, I had a big list of   every single variation of my name that   the transcript   created.  

So   there is there is adoption of these things. So it is worthwhile trying out something like true fans or,   or Podcast Guru Fountain is probably our preferred one of choice. It's the easiest to get access to and onto and,   is what I'd recommend for anyone. Meimortalspodcast.com/support   to learn more about that. And yeah. All right. Immortals podcast.   Yeah, you could go to either actually. So it doesn't work. Do both of them work?   Oh,  

[00:36:36] Juan Granados:

I haven't I tried I tried to check the immortalspodcast.com.   I don't think it worked for me still. Really? It should work now. It should  

[00:36:43] Kyrin Down:

The   if you go to the slash support, it should redirect, but it'll probably just go back to the main   main page of meremortalspodcasts.com.   Either way, it doesn't really matter if you type it in. It should it should work. Okay.   Cool. Let's jump on to this next section now with this wrap up time that we do have in mind. So   the edit one just gave me the finger, the up the good finger, the thumbs up finger that it did work and without the okay. Yeah. With the video as well. I don't think it's my laptop. I think it's the actual video camera or the connection device that was   stepping up. So I might take that when I when I go and I'll have a play around with that from this weekend.  

So the other thing I want to talk about was   a little bit about our food choices whilst traveling. Yep. Because I can't remember if we talked particularly about food whilst in there in the last episode. I don't think so. No. Yeah. Not really. So.  

[00:37:38] Juan Granados:

Yeah. And I've got a really like strong view on this. Strong views. I love it. Okay. I'll give you a strong view. All right. So   Australia,   Nikken,   I'll be a balance, I'll be balanced here. Yes. There's some things that are not   fantastic about it in many ways. I won't get into like what they may be because it's very like individual, I guess.   One thing that got them do well is the variation or availability of food. Now it's a combination of there's a lot of,   individuals from other places around the world that are coming to Australia, so you have   a wide selection. However,   things like   a Woolworths,   a Coles,   Aldi, and they're stocked with plenty of good food, plenty of fresh food, plenty of availability. I'm sorry. You were saying before.  

Almost no matter where you are in Australia, unless you're in, like, literal   backcountry,   100 kilometers away from, like, a main area. Okay. You can be forgiven.   But even then, you could probably go to a pub, You could get yourself a steak, some chips, some salad,  

[00:38:37] Kyrin Down:

fresh enough. Right? There's there's enough things. Pubs are plenty around Australia. Yeah. Like, you you're not gonna get the seafood out of the pub. That's probably not the smartest idea. But, yeah, a steak a steak will be fresh. Australia has a lot of great  

[00:38:51] Juan Granados:

choice, like, flexibility on the food. If you wanna eat terribly, of course, that's gonna happen wherever you wanna do, but you have a great ability to choose well.   And the supermarkets,   the,   just general, like, food places are pretty good for that. And it's not   incredibly ridiculously expensive unless you're going, obviously, to restaurants. Right? And, like, good fine restaurants. Otherwise, it's it's good to afford it. I'm not saying it's just Brisbane. I'm talking Australia in general.   That   always,   always fucks me over when I go overseas, and Europe was no exception.  

Yes. I went to some places that had good food. Don't get me wrong. There was some, fresh seafood, obviously. We were near the water, and that was fantastic. Mhmm. But for the most part,   and this is like everywhere,   there wasn't a single place that I went, this place has way better food. No. Fuck that. Like every place, something was like, where the fuck's like a salad?   Why is every fruit here, like, off when I buy it even from the store? Like, what is going on?   They would be they   might have a good sake as you say, like, yep. Okay. You can do that. Have good sake. But But all of a sudden it's, like, oh, the salad that you get alongside with it is, like, two pieces of leaf and, like, one tomato. Mhmm. And it always like, I've always thought this, like   I'm just trying to think. I I think the only place that America,   Europe,   most   of Southeast Asia, although maybe it would be different with   like Vietnam and Cambodia and a few other places, but it's only been a handful of places on earth that I've been like as satisfied with my food selection and availabilities   as Australia. Yep. Actually the the closest one was Taiwan. Taiwan was like Okay. Unbelievable   in terms of its options and, like, flexibility.  

Same with Japan. Alright. Taiwan in Japan, I was like, I've been really, really I was like really surprised and amazed by that. But yeah, Europe was like one of those roads when,   oh man, what is going on with these options here? And I always like always   not regret, but I'm always frustrated by the availability that I have places like that. Sure. Sure. I feel like Latin America,  

[00:40:57] Kyrin Down:

Argentina   comes to mind as a decent place for,   especially like cooking.   If you if you want to go out like they've got the restaurants.   I remember they've they've definitely got the,   the fast food as well,   But also just in the supermarkets. I remember   being in some Argentinian ones and going, Oh, yeah, there's a decent amount of options here. One of my experiences. So here's two of my experiences while traveling one was with you. We   went to a restaurant   in Mykonos. And so we go there. We're like, you know, we're famished. There's a whole bunch of us. There are 12 of us.   We go there. Oh, there's no power. Okay. That's not good.  

All right, well, what can we get? Can we get some water and stuff? Of course, they charge out the ask for water. You know?   Fine. Take it.   Could I have the fish of the day? Oh, no fish of the day? We don't have that available. I was like, all right.   What about this other thing?   No, we don't have that either. And so when we were like at this restaurant Now there's like 10 options. Yeah. Like 10, like 12 options. We're going through the list and we're like, okay, so we really have   three things to pick from.   It's probably you probably should have just told us   that.  

The other one was   on a Monday evening, I think I was traveling back to Florence   and   from Pisa.   So I arrived and then I wanted to go for a workout, went for a big run came back and ended up being like, Oh, shit. It's like 09:30PM.   I haven't eaten yet. Today. I need to start getting out. It's Monday. You know, restaurants are generally closed Mondays.   So I went out, I looked and yeah, there's still a couple of options available, but they're all closing 10:30 eleven.   It's like, Ah, alright, well, I really need a whole ass. And Florence is a pretty big city. I think it's like 400,000 people or something. So decently sized.   I realized there is nothing available after eleven other than ice cream. There's   nothing   even   the you know, at least here in Australia, we've got the McDonald's, we've got the KFC, there's a bunch of things which are   20 fourseven or very close to 20 fourseven.  

And   I   that surprised me as well, because they didn't really have fast food in Italy by and large other than at the train stations from what I saw.   So even if you're desperate,   there's there's not much   options available.   That was Italy in,   in Germany. I remember there was yeah, that you could go you could find some like kebab places and stuff that was that was available. But yeah, I'm I got to say, like, I was,   it's my own fault. I got I built   up even knowing don't build up expectations. I'm still like, all right, I'm safe in the Italian food. Like everyone talks about how good the pasta and the food.   Pasta pizza. Yeah. No Italian pasta was the most disappointing thing   I've ever had in my life.  

The just in general, I had one good one and it was only saved because the cheese was really nice,   not because   I could taste the the freshness of the pasta or it's the simple ingredients and   Andrea   was was saying   it's because of the food quality. They care so much about it everywhere you go. They care about the food. I saw fucking plenty of places where there was little flies and midgies in there, you know,   showcase displays. I'm like, this isn't No, that's not correct. You're buying into the Italian hype of talking themselves up. Which countries like to do Argentines   the same, you know, Australians are the same when we got the best steak in the world, shit like that.  

But   you got to back it up with at least a little bit of something, you know, and look, the pizza bases were nice. I like the pizza bases.   Probably not my style in general. I definitely do prefer the more Western style of putting extra ingredients on top.   So that's just a small thing. The ice cream was indeed delicious in Italy.   But in general, just through Europe, you know, English food was what I got and expected   average fish and chips   and bland food. And I'm not really a curry person, so I didn't try any of that. German food   looks terrible.  

My brother tastes alright. Yeah, my I was sending photos back home to my brother and he's like, Dude, are you in the are you in Auschwitz right now? Like, are you in the concentration camps? Like, no, this is just like a restaurant.   Because it's the potato and   breakfast. So you got the white sausage, but just sausage. So  

[00:45:32] Juan Granados:

it doesn't look particularly appealing. Yeah. Actually, just a side side piece, but I don't know if it's still this, but if you go to Google, if you go to Auschwitz, if you like go to the,   on the map view, doesn't say permanently closed. It says currently closed.  

[00:45:46] Kyrin Down:

All   right.   All right. Oh, my God. No. All right. Germany. I was like, yeah, that's fair enough. Good.   So the last couple of food things was   Polish food. I didn't I didn't know soup there, but I can't say part of my I didn't really   give it the,   the option. The what's the I didn't give it the chance to impress me with their food because I was just so busy doing other things with Hoskie.   Greece was probably the best food of the trip in   the Gyros was amazing. We found an amazing bakery   in   Mykonos. There was actually two locations of it.   One of them was better than the other and   best baker in my life. Hands down. Yeah, it's a bit weird.  



[00:46:33] Juan Granados:

So in Oredonos. Very, very unexpected. Bakery in Oredonos is two right in front of each other. I think. Like PYR,  

[00:46:40] Kyrin Down:

Pyrios, Pyriosos, something like that. And ordinos.   Yeah.   Now there was a comment from my brother actually,   about you, Juan. And it was anti Auschwitz, which was   one looks like he's gotten fat. It was the comment that I heard. I was eating heavy.  

[00:46:56] Juan Granados:

Actually,   it wasn't that I was eating heavy. It was that I was drinking heavy. Oh. It was more the case. It was more the case. I think it was the drinking heavy,   eating plenty   because   so the the the the full process was, so this always happens. When I whenever I go on a holiday,   I lose weight. I lose weight. And it's generally,   I'll just say, partially gonna be a holding of water,   partially gonna be,   you know, loss loss or   not there'd be there'd be some some muscular   loss, but definitely then just the the inflammation from extra food and extra eating and everything else. So Mhmm. I think definitely the the extra food and definitely the extra drinks would have put on some   beautiful, some beautiful weight on there, which again, this is not, it's not unexpected. So you didn't lose weight this time? I did. No. No. I did. So I lost two kilos. Oh, well. I lost two kilos, but again, it would have been a ratio of   maybe a little bit of muscle   and   what I think it's more is a lot of water retention from just continuous training   where that kind of goes away, but it's then replaced with probably just fat that you accumulate. And, like, it was a long holiday   of,   you know, some, like, pretty good sleep, sometimes not great sleep, eating and drinking kind of like whatever I wanted. So, you know, it was a very hedonistic   lifestyle for five weeks, you know, and, yes, that's gonna do something to your body. Yep. It has been interesting actually. So I recorded   the,   I think, the second day I was back from holidays.  

And I'll I'll do another little video of what it looks like after the That's that's not very nice. There's a drastic   I think it's gonna be a, like, a pretty drastic difference even, like, now. It's like checking on the, you know, yesterday and I was like, oh, damn. That's   Wow. That's like a very quick difference. But but then also it kind of showcases   even because again, as you age, they'll become more difficult for sure, but   you do,   like elastically go back to your previous position if you do get back into the work and eat, you know, in a good way. So,   fear not if you're thinking like, oh, shit. I'm going for three months and gonna eat crap. Like, I knew I was gonna be eating pretty crap. Yeah. You can get back to it, like, fairly quickly. Yep. You gotta get back on that on that horse. Yeah. The comment in particular was where's the Barnes and Abs gone? Gone. Was was what the comment was. I wasn't I wasn't I never.  

Yeah. Oh, definitely would be covered in some some layer of fat.   Yeah, they're coming back. They are definitely coming back. So it's cool. Yeah. All right. So quickly for me the first of all, the bakery  

[00:49:24] Kyrin Down:

twenty four hours in Greece. I didn't know that that was open twenty four hours. Twenty four seven. Yeah. Twenty four seven. And   it's called Prozymi.   P r o zed y m I. If you go to Greece, and Mykonos in particular,   it's worth going out of your way to finding one of these. Because,   oh, so good. So I won't   bias you with my general trend of what happens when I travel.   I left Australia at seventy eight kgs.   What weight did I weigh when I came? Eighty   one?   Seventy four. Seventy four? That was four kilos.   What? I   was shocked.  

I,   I went, is your scale right?   Ask my brother. Is your scale right? I would not have guessed this. Me neither. Because generally, I do tend to put on about a kilo or two. Yep. Well, that's all I was kind of thinking. I was like, oh, you know, a kilo or two. Yep.   I honestly   don't know where   it has actually come off of me. Because I don't feel   slimmer. I don't feel like my body fat has reduced. I was already decently low. I have no idea what I'm just gonna say around the 10 to 12%   range.   It was already pretty low. I came back I don't look noticeably   thinner.  

I'm guessing it was muscle   or just bone density perhaps like   now reasons for it.   I would say just in general, I was eating less.   Probably just because you know, restaurants and stuff, it's hard to   get the as much as I normally do eat,   especially when you're in places where you're paying like one and a half times. And   honestly, I just got sick of restaurant food. So I was eating less in general.   Maybe it was the running, maybe it was the, you know,   10 to 20 ks's I was walking basically every day.   Maybe it was the alcohol, I was also drinking a lot more. And   alcohol doesn't put on weight for me, I try to track them my calories included as what it should be.  

Not just runs through me. So it's like those calories don't count.   So   I was absolutely shocked.  

[00:51:37] Juan Granados:

Thankfully, I imagine that. Thankfully, I imagine you're almost back to the weight now though. No, no, I'm  

[00:51:44] Kyrin Down:

still at seventy, seventy five kilograms. What?   So it's I haven't chucked it back on. And the   whole reason for all of this was just   kind of unknown to me. And   yeah, muscle wise,   I feel about as strong as I was beforehand,   the gym session yesterday,   like you were saying, reduce the weight down.   And it'll probably take me a couple of weeks to get back to roughly where I was. But I don't feel like I'm like,   I don't feel like I've lost three kilograms of muscle. Maybe it was in my legs is all I can kind of think because I was doing a lot of like, yeah, I don't know, not squats, but like press and, you know, shit like that. So maybe that's where it's gone. But yeah, very, very surprising. Very surprising. Whereas I like I  

[00:52:32] Juan Granados:

so I think I arrived back and I was 80   oh, I was like 87,   80 even like I think it was low 87 when I got here.   And   I maybe a week and a bit into it, I was already at 90.2,   like 90.1. And now it's stable at 90 whatever. That's always that's been, like, my   stable weight, like, ninety flat. Honestly,   do more running, eat eat less, whatever. It kind of, like, always just seems to, like, sit around there, but it's the body recomposition   that tends to to, like, track towards. So, yeah, I don't know. That's just   my my balance point for for the moment. But, yeah, totally,   big holidays are gonna,   make wreak havoc   on on, obviously, like, body composition based on the eating. And yes, if you go to places and they just have  

[00:53:19] Kyrin Down:

a lot of shitty options, it's going to be. Yeah, yeah, very difficult. I ate almost zero protein whilst overseas. I've got really good. Yeah. Almost zero. Just you know, if I got more than 50 grams a day, I'd be surprised.  

[00:53:31] Juan Granados:

I always try, especially overseas and there's a hot tip.   Usually they do most most places I've been to in my life, they have some sort of,   like this protein drink,   Like most places would have it. So I used to I was having, like,   sometimes where I would find them, like, two a day. I was like, I'm gonna have this done. I'm not getting any protein anywhere else. Yeah. You're right. So,   but see, because here's the inverse. If I just lived in,   I don't know, Cambodia, which is like Mhmm. And I came to Australia   and I wanted to eat well, I just think you can eat really well here. Like, you could go to a Woolworths   at Aldi, and you can pick up a lot of good fresh food, a lot of, you know, good protein steak, whatever. But even if you were just holidaying and you were traveling around, you could find, right, cheap options. Again, I'm talking like a Subway, a GYG,   a lots of, like, salad places.  

You can find pubs, easy steak and salad. Like, there's really good options.   You don't I just didn't find that as much in your Vienna,   in Austria did have to an extent. It did something have some good shops like the spa. Yeah. And the EuroSpas are cool,   and a lot of varying options. So I guess not that's maybe the only one, but, yeah, some other place. So I was just like, what is going like, Italy, Italy, for instance, man,   I can imagine why males, they might be like   lacking in muscle because goddamn, it must be so difficult   to get your protein in. Because like, I barely saw   like, steaks or, like, high protein, like, to boil. It was just, like, people would just have their morning coffee,   have a croissant,   they'd have   some pasta in the middle of the day. I'm like, where's your protein? What's going on? So, yeah, I can And  

[00:55:10] Kyrin Down:

we didn't even talk about gyms, but the gym culture I've seen overseas,   it's all shit compared to Australia. Yeah. Every single place. Australia has  

[00:55:19] Juan Granados:

we we could have I I don't think I have seen   anywhere in the world. Like there must exist. Like it must exist in pockets,   but I can see what people say globally of like, oh, wow, Australia's got a culture of like fitness and health. Yeah. Because   just about,   I'd say a great. Should we shelve it and do that for next week's topic? Yeah, I think so. Well, we would do, like fitness cultures. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think we'd do that because yeah, it's pretty like, distinctively different in comparison to our still world. Agreed. So we can talk about that. All right. Heart out. So we'll wrap this up quickly. Meremodelspodcast.com  

[00:55:55] Kyrin Down:

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[00:56:19] Juan Granados:

And, yeah, we'll see you next week. Thank you very much. Be immortalized. Be well wherever you are in the world. Juan, out. Karyn out.