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Juan didn't disappoint with his wacky, hair-brained ideas .... that he won't be able to protect!

In Episode #491 of 'Musings', Juan and I discuss: a day in the life of the year 2100, the potential for cities to become the new countries, multigenerational housing as life expectancy increases, human-AI symbiosis plus normalised AI babies, humans becoming gods through digital universe creation, a world where everything is nearly free & creativity/consciousness/reserve currency/physical space/robotics and why it will probably be neither utopian nor dystopian.

Many thanks to Anton for the support of the Mere Morpheus podcast, but a sad puppy with no boostagrams here.

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:39) Borders & National Identity in 2100
(00:05:59) Physical Space & Technology Integration
(00:11:02) Future of Families and Longevity
(00:20:01) Human-AI Symbiosis
(00:28:29) Boostagram Lounge
(00:32:26) Currency and Economy in 2100
(00:43:06) Energy Solutions: Mini Fusion Reactors
(00:51:41) Humans as Gods: Creating Universes
(01:03:53) Creativity and Intellectual Property
(01:04:53) Role of Robots in Future Society
(01:15:14) Day in the Life in 2100
(01:24:04) Human Evolution and Technological Change
(01:35:31) V4V

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[00:00:08] Juan Granados:

Welcome back, Mere Mortalites to another edition of the Mere Mortals   musings.   And today, we're gonna be talking about   2100.   February.   Seventy five years from today. It was a concept, I think, that Kyrin,   we started talking about in the last Yeah. Previous conversation, and we were like, wait, pause. I think let's let's talk about that next weekend. It is today, the next week. We are on   August 24. It is Sunday. We are live, close this evening. 2025.   So 2025. Correct. Twenty five years. Is what we're predicting. Predicting it at the moment. Sorry. Or envisioning perhaps. Yeah. So it's gonna get wild because that's, you know, that's quite a while away. You got Juan here, by the way. And Kyrin here. So, yep, we we're gonna get into it. I've split mine. I've got   quite a lot of notes here, which usually I don't take them. I'd leave it written down. So I've got topics of creativity,  

[00:00:56] Kyrin Down:

consciousness,  

[00:00:57] Juan Granados:

reserve currency, physical space, robots, and unanswered questions. Okay. But I think I've broken mine down into because I was going to go into categories,   but instead I ended up going with likely,  

[00:01:10] Kyrin Down:

there's likely things to happen. Yeah. That'd be good. Crazy.  

[00:01:13] Juan Granados:

Uh-huh. And then one insane one, which Karan heard a little bit about this morning. I'll I'll try and describe it, in some more detail for the mere mortals. Sounds good. Sounds good. I think we just go one to one, though. Okay. I think we go one to one. It's gonna be the easiest thing. If you're listening to this live as well, feel free to put put your thoughts in the comments Yeah. Yeah. In any categories. I'll I'll read them out.   We'll probably pause and talk about some of them during the boost agreement as well. So, yeah, feel free to do so, and we'll get on board. I'll take it off. I'll I'll start my my first one, my likely one.   And I I wrote down that the the the borders are not gonna tighten.  

They're gonna blow by 2100. And what I mean by this is, I think as we move to a more   digital   favorited way of interacting with humanity,   I have a feeling that the   national aspect of,   hey, I wanna go to Africa or I wanna go to America,   the influence of going to different locations is going to decrease and they're not gonna tighten borders. They're gonna blow them. It's gonna be   almost   less requirements for passports as opposed to more stringent requirements for passports.   Like, partly that, partly,   it's gonna become,   like, city   Cities are going to become the new countries. And I was talking to my wife about this this morning, she was kind of saying,   maybe   today, if someone's coming to Australia, like say you're living in The US, and you say, I want to go to Australia,   You don't mean I want to go to Adelaide.  

You don't mean I want to go   to, you know, Port Macquarie. You don't mean that. That's not what you mean. What you mean is you want to go see Sydney. You want to go see Melbourne. Maybe you want to go see the Gold Coast. There's like specific areas of Australia you wanna see. You don't wanna see Australia. Similarly, if someone says like, I wanna go see The USA. Yeah. What does that mean? You don't say, I wanna go to Minnesota.   I wanna go to,   you know,  

[00:03:04] Kyrin Down:

New York, Texas. I'm I've started off disagreeing with this, and I'm getting even further  

[00:03:09] Juan Granados:

disagreement. So my view is by 2100,   I think it'll become   cities will be the new countries.   As in, there's just gonna be this conglomeration of people more so in cities. There's gonna be less care factor of country as a whole, and it'll become dominated either because of,   abundance of tech or central hub, like, multiplied by a 100 in comparison to where we have today. Something along those points. So I think it'll become   less nations,   more cities become this this new   power hubs that I think is starting to shift towards that lens now.   Where, like, as I said, if you think about Australia, you actually you'd actually be saying, I wanna go visit Sydney or I wanna go visit Melbourne if you're not from Australia. I think it'll become   even more default where people would be like, oh, I kinda you don't wanna travel if just visit Sydney. That's it. You're not gonna go see anything else because why would you just got everything that you potentially need?  



[00:04:02] Kyrin Down:

Yeah,   I'm I'm unsure of that. The   the portion of me that   is more, I guess what you'd call like equitable would be like it shouldn't really matter where you're born in the world.   You should have opportunities   to travel, to go to other places, to you know, make a living, you know, have a family, that sort of stuff.   But   there's still going to be,   I think differences of like races, skin colors and things like that, which which will still I still think the physical location aspect, I'm not I'm not sure   if anything, there'll be more,   that could be a kickback of like, oh, we're going so digital that let's put more emphasis on the physical stuff. You were born in this place. You're this thing for sure. So like, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So I don't particularly   view myself as Australian, for example. Like   you throw you attach things to your identity.  

Soccer player used to be one for me, probably engineer when I was working as an engineering job, you know, whatever you're spending most of your time doing.   Australians, not a strong one for me.   But I yeah, just just something about what you're saying. I was like, I still I still feel like the borders   as much as I'd love them to be looser and that you can go wherever you want and not have to deal with fucking visas or like   whether they let you in or not if you're from X, Y, Z country. I see this a lot just because I meet like a lot of Latinas   and Latinos   from Colombia, for example, and they can come here, but they can't work like Argentinians   can instead of can't get the same visa because   for whatever reason, Australian government says Colombians   aren't allowed this visa compared to Argentinians, you know, like all that sort of stuff.  

No, I think I think that's still going to be just as strong. But I don't have really good   arguments or reasonings as to why. Yeah, that's a that's my first one. Okay, well,   I'll tie it in with this one, which I had with a physical space. And so,   I did a book review of The Inevitable by Kevin Kelly probably two to three years ago.   And in this book, he's he's kind of a futurist,   author, author, starter, founder of Wide magazine, which was kind of talking about technology. So he's always looking   into the future with a technology   drop bent. That's his thing. So like, what's the future going to look like technologically speaking?  

And I thought it was a like a fun book for the technology side of things. But when he talks about human behavior,   I'm less certain of of what he was talking about. So   for example, he was saying   though   everything's going to become   screenified or there was another word for it. He created a verb for these things where essentially everything will be a screen.   The walls will be a screen, the   stairs will be a screen,   and they'll they'll all have this kind of interactivity   component to them where they'll have some chips in them. Some things might have more. So you might have like a wall in your house, which is the designated   viewing one instead of a TV,   which we have now.  

The wall will be the big screen   and   that's,   you know, when you're walking up your stairs,   it'll be able to tell you like, oh, hey, like it's buckling a little bit in the middle here because people are walking on this. It's going to cause some, you know, the stress levels of this much probably going to wear and tear. You'd probably got like another five years until   maybe you need to start thinking about like replacing the varnish or like the left. This one stair in particular for whatever reason is   going to like indent or whatever,   that sort of stuff I can kind of get behind of. So the physical, our physical space becoming more digitified,   digitalized.  

Yep. I could definitely see that one something,   something happening. But he also had this idea of these kind of   apartments which were interchangeable. So you know,   much like how,   and same with cars, he was essentially saying like,   cars and   parking them is taking up a tremendous amount of physical space at the moment and cities.   And they're underutilized   car parks are empty for 90% of the time, ie during the night or like,   that's okay, maybe not 90%, let's say   60%   of the other time they're not utilized from   five p. M. Until   seven a. M, something like that.  

And the cars themselves aren't being utilized during that time.   We're going to have everything shared. So we're going to have robo taxis where we share them all the time.   We're going to have apartments   which are shared as well. So you go up to your apartment, you sleep in there. And   that'll be during the daytime because we're going to have shift workers as well. So it's going to be   like a twenty four seven, more of a twenty four seven economy because   at the moment, most humans are awake during the daytime and there's gonna be this kind of gradual shift towards   more like nighttime people as well.  

It just being a kind of more around the clock. And so he had this. Fuck that's dumb. Fuck that's dumb. He had this concept of these apartments, which essentially,   you know, there's have did you ever go to any of the toilets in Europe, which is self cleaning? Yes. Yeah. And my dad told me this as well. Apparently they've got UV lights   coming down so that if you're trying to shoot up   with a needle or something. To prevent you from. Yeah, you can't see a vein. I didn't know that. I thought that was that was interesting.   And so,   yeah, as as Coleman in the comments, communist car in here with his communist hat on,   we're going to be sharing everything. We're going to be sharing apartments and we'll have this apartment that's kind of like a rinse clean. Like you leave it, it rains cleans and someone else comes in from their, you know, night shift and they've got a designated time and things like this. Are you saying are you saying you believe in that? No, no, no. That's the stuff where I go. What? That makes no sense to me.  

That that doesn't. That's going to be like, man, we're starting off strong here. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So no, that one I disagreed with. Sounds like you do as well.   And part of the reason I get this feeling is that   we won't reverse the declining global birth rates. So I don't know if the overall birth rates are still going up. Like if the Africans are still making babies, the,   and they're keeping us and the Latin Americans, maybe, but certainly in the Western world is declining.   I think we're going to go like, so maybe at the moment, we're like going up, then we'll decrease a little bit, then we'll plateau eventually.   But then gradually,   life expectancy will rise. That's going to play into it as well. So like the amount of humans and maybe there's a prediction you want to add in,  

[00:10:52] Juan Granados:

will there be more humans, less humans? What will be the human population in February? Yeah, well, I'll, I'll mix in maybe a couple of things that I've got here on the likely scenario.   But coloring to one, I think it's going to be time shift to families.   So what I mean by time shift to families by February,   I was saying again, talking to my wife about this, I think you have now the ability to do, you know, IVF and,   outside of body embryo, I think China right now. Oh. We started doing,   a robot that can birth the baby for you on your behalf basically and go through the the whole process of that. Nice. So but for sure by 2100,   that's happening. But more than that, it'll be   time shift to families   that are full. So right now, this is legal, but I think it'll become legalized and totally accepted. And you can do full DNA manipulation. So you can say, what I meant by that is   you could be 24 year old in 2100 and you can say, you know, when I'm 31, I wanna have a I wanna have a boy, I wanna hand up boy to have these sort of genetics and these sort of traits. And you won't be able to, you know, max your stats at a 100%,   but maybe the elites will be allowed to. So that that's gonna be a thing that I was gonna talk about in a separate point.  

But I think the   from a birth perspective, and I think Elon Musk had this view just recently. He was sort of saying he thinks that the   the move towards much more, digitization and technology and things becoming like a post   scarcity model where everything becomes $0,   like everything is quite free. And so you imagine everyone's got as many nannies as you want and all the help that you could possibly think about to raising kids.   Maybe reducing that level, like, layout slash maybe poverty   then moves you into a place of, you might as well just be making loads of kids because what else are you gonna do? I thought raise lots of families.  

[00:12:40] Kyrin Down:

That's a 100%  

[00:12:41] Juan Granados:

bias on his part. Yeah. Because because he's doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I I don't know if that's everyone's gonna be doing that. I think it's just gonna more so, like, stabilize, but we're going to have an   interesting problem in I think that,   how do I write it? The,   my wife disagreed with this one, but, we're we're definitely gonna hit, at least, I think, by 2100, we're gonna hit longevity escape velocity. We're gonna achieve it. And, what does that actually mean? Like, just to be clear, what what does it mean? I think it's just gonna mean that,   well, I'll put it to us. I think we are in a stage now even today where we we've hit a we're probably gonna hit the starting beginnings of longevity escape velocity in that One wants to reach one twenty so bad. In our fifties, you know, in our fifties, so then, you know, it's twenty fifty or something like that. They'll go,   oh, now at your age, we could probably get you to if you're predicted to be at 90, we could probably get to about a hundred, hundred and ten just by probability and, you know, diseases, blah blah. And then by the time we get to 70 in 2070 or something like that, it'll be like, oh, we can eke it out down to about an average of a 120, 125.  

So by the time 2,100 arrives and, you know, maybe we're we're a 100 years old, I'll be like, oh, we we can eke it out to, like, about a 130, 140 years old. So I'm not suggesting that by February, we've all achieved immortality. Mhmm. But I think it'll it'll have achieved a certain level of longevity escape that for every year that you live, the   potential increase of life expectancy is beyond the year. So at at that point, you could technically say you've escaped, you know, the   the problems of getting older,   but again, not entirely because then you have just accidents, etcetera, that just mistakes, whatever that causes death. So I'm not saying we've removed death, but we've reached longevity escape velocity in that every year that goes by, there's a more of a delta than a year than your actual living year. Okay. Okay. Is that that potential? But the the the one that I thought was interesting that actually would affect directly on that, I think it's gonna be likely,   is then the need for multigenerational   housing. Because what the fuck are you gonna do if you got your great great granddad at a 130   and your granddad,   great granddad at 110, your granddad at 90, your dad at 50, and then you're at 20?  

I don't see that the answer there will be, well, we're just gonna have to have so much more housing. I think the difference there will be   housing will become this multi generational setup,   kind of like you see in a lot of Asian,   societies and communities. I think you're gonna see   bigger, more more bedroom like apartments or houses to house all of these families under the one roof.   I'm I'm not gonna I I don't see it becoming a case of, like, this is more housing everywhere and everyone's living in a more lonely way. I think it just collocates. And that goes along with my view of a collocation of cities. I think it's gonna get this conglomeration of everyone living in more central areas   boosted by the fact that   I think by 2100, we won't we won't have to guess so far that it's, like, ubiquitous across the world, but there'll be such   abundance of technology and things, but in, like, really centralized locations, everyone will just live around those areas or they'll make it possible for everyone to live around those areas. Okay. No, I'm  

[00:15:55] Kyrin Down:

I, I think our view of let's let's focus on like the physical space aspect of what what we actually imagine   things happening in the time because I think we we're gonna have some different ideas in that.   I don't envision   that happening with the multigenerational   families. If you've got great great grandchildren,   I'm not sure the   genetic link is gonna be that strong in terms of,   you know, so at the moment, what   your grandchildren are one fourth you, so great grandchildren are one eighth. So one sixteenth.   This thing was one sixteenth. And I'm assuming DNA was still mixing DNA is still the thing. And you're not just kind of cloning, cloning yourself 75%   clone,   that sort of stuff. Maybe that is   I had I'm not sure   the 108 year old who I assume is, you know, in the body of a 70 year old of nowadays,   that's kind of how I'm imagining this is working,   is really going to be wanting to put up with a fucking newborn in the house. You know, I'm just not sure that   I see that happening. And the other thing as well is,   let's   go back seventy five years as well. So like 1950,   how much has changed from 1950 to now?  

Sure. There's a lot of technology differences,   but in terms of   the   cities have gotten bigger, but it's not like there's not people in the country's side as well. And it's not like it's old, not old people living   by the beach in the, you know, dream, dream house that they've   gotten away from the city. I feel like   how many people in the city at the moment where you'd be like, if money wasn't an issue, would you still be living the city would actually stay there? Sure, there's still a lot who loves like the city atmosphere in life, but feel like there's quite a lot who   want to live this kind of dream of   acreage   and away from everything.  

But they just don't can't financially afford that.   So if it is abundance everywhere,   would they be able to do that? Yeah. I'm and also just the racial and cultural differences as well, I think are still going to exist. So   I'm not sure   that   you can wipe out the I'm reading a book at the moment about,   Lee Kuan Yew and he's talking about China. He's saying like, you know, the Chinese   heritage of   these three thousand years of like China being China number one, like where the most civilized, the most advanced or something. And then, you know, the 1900s   slash 1800s happen and they they fall from grace.  

They   don't adopt technology and get wrecked because of it. Now they're coming back. Are they going to   go to like democracy, for example, he was talking to saying that and he was just like,   none of the three thousand year history suggests that they're gonna have like a one person, one vote sort of thing.   And   so those sorts of things I   don't   envision the physical space actually being that radically different in terms of,   you know, all the futuristic sci fi   metal everywhere,   gleaming chromium, things like that. No, I don't need that. I don't need that. I think it'll a house will look relatively similar to this.   There'll just be chips on everything, but it's not   like it's going to visually look that much. I think I think that's I think a normal style. I think I disagree  

[00:19:29] Juan Granados:

that the physical like the chip thing,   I think at one point in time   made sense, but now will make no sense to do that when you can,   like,   augment reality the hell out of whatever you will want probably at that point. I don't I don't have a point on that. But So you think the augmentation will be more we'll all be augmenting ourselves and reality will stay the same? Correct.  

[00:19:52] Kyrin Down:

The real world will stay the same and we're just viewing everything on hearing things, smelling things differently? Right. I'll I'll Rather than There's there's one of there's one of my more  

[00:20:01] Juan Granados:

out one of my more out there ones, but I think it's likely that by 2100,   we will have human AI symbiosis or human technology or human machinery robot symbiosis. I think   Yep. If I had to, like, time it if I had to, like, predict timing, I think by   2050 we're having these conversations of like, oh my god, we've got a few people now using brain chip implants and we're using people using bionic,   la la la. I think by 2100 it becomes   a kind of by default, like it's very   rudimentary to go have a   implant of some kind   to go to symbiosis with technology.  

So in that layer,   then let's just say you've got an ability to augment reality through your eyes to be able to just be like, Oh, yeah, I can just pull up the TV on this, whatever, to watch whatever you want. So I I think at that point,   kind of makes   no reasonable sense to actually have chips into things when you can just all venture out yourself. Yeah.  

[00:20:58] Kyrin Down:

The   that symbiosis.   So once again, like seventy five years   in the past, would they look at us now?   What's really changed? Not that much. Like you've got to watch. Sure. It's digital, but it's still just a thing you've attached to yourself   and can take off. Same with the phones and   aura rings and   meta glasses and stuff. So so we've we've chippified a lot of things.   And you talked about the people changing their babies instead of being legalized.   Will it be normalized?   Do you think most people will be going and   saying like either,   so so versus a natural birth of, you know,   just just impregnating a woman or getting impregnated   versus,   okay,   I'm going to do this fire, like,   artificial sperm. I'm going to do this fire, like,   sperm coming in, but then I'll modify it in the egg.  

I'm gonna just have it all outsource  

[00:22:02] Juan Granados:

to somewhere else and, like Yeah. I think all I think all of these things by 2100   are normalized. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Like, I think, yeah, for sure you're gonna have the transition in a period where I think in two generations time, you're gonna have been like, oh, that kid's actually   not fully human, you know, they were like machine made, whatever.  

[00:22:20] Kyrin Down:

But I think that's when you're on hikes. Okay. Okay. I thought you were really gonna like gotta say like, oh, you know, that kid's like a Joey who's, like, IQ 90, like, oh, gross. Like, you could tell his parents  

[00:22:32] Juan Granados:

had SEX. You you could even you could even do it in this way. So, like, I think there's gonna be human AI, human technology, human robot symbiosis connection. But not only that, I also think by February, we're gonna have normalization   of,   like,   human to robotic or machinery   relationships.   I think, like, undeniably that's gonna happen. But   take it a step beyond,   I actually think by 2100, it'll be normalized that people don't have   real world babies but have digital babies. Okay. I'm I'm thinking digital babies.  

[00:23:07] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I don't.  

[00:23:11] Juan Granados:

So I think so the example so the example here would be would be say say say someone right now, like, I know people, they don't wanna have kids. Yeah. The the reason say they don't wanna have kids because you don't wanna deal with the negative parts and don't know what the positive aspects are.   Oh, by then, there will be options of you raising like a Tamagotchi back in the day. Sure. Sure. Something like that. Little baby and you only get the positive from it. Yeah. Like a dog baby sort of thing. People will do that 1000000%.   Mhmm. Especially if it's, if you're augmented as well with chips and whatnot. So imagine you could literally, like, augment reality, see a baby and a kid growing up, but it is in a digital format, not in a   real world format, if you want to call it that. Yeah. Yeah. Look. Yeah. I  

[00:23:54] Kyrin Down:

I would I would say the options of of things   will potentially grow so much like having the options of whatever pet that you want to kind of supplement,   perhaps having that   entity that's dependent on you   and having that feeling of being a mother or father without actually   giving birth to a to a child or   yes, I think I could see there being more options and certainly like an AI baby   type one is one of those.   Will that be the  

[00:24:28] Juan Granados:

I think it'll be I think it'll be I think it'll be more like it's not the norm, but normalized. So  

[00:24:33] Kyrin Down:

would you say being a cat lady is normalized at the moment? So if you're like if you've got,   you know,   eight,   let's say more than five cats,   is that is that normalized instead of,   of instead of having   a child?   Because instead of having a child, yeah. So like in this present day, if you met a met a lady, and she's like, Oh, no, I don't want kids. And she's got five cats.   Is that normalized?   Is that   do you feel that's like a normal thing? Is that something that you will raise your eyebrows at? Is that where you'll just be like, oh, you know, no, it's just a little bit crazy. I don't think that  

[00:25:13] Juan Granados:

I see that as being normalized. No. Right now. Right now. That's not normalized. I don't think that's a normalizing.  

[00:25:19] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. So this is where I'm like, I think it'll happen, but I'm not sure it'd be normalized to have an I mean, I mean, the differentiation here is that,  

[00:25:28] Juan Granados:

being a cat lady with a a cats versus wanting kids, that's not a trend.   Like, that isn't a trend that at least I've seen. I think   that will become a trend towards normalization.   As in, like, not everyone will wanna do it, but it'll be normalized as like, oh, yeah. I can understand that there's a subset of humanity that wants to proceed down this path. Just similarly, like I'm   probably most people our age and older, it's there's very little chance any of us will really go down the path of brain chip implants   unless there was like irrefutable proof that it's safe and whatnot.  

Like kids like my daughter and maybe the next generation,   they're probably going to grow in the world where it's freely exists. And so by the time they're 50,   they'd just be like default.   No, yeah.   Of course, you get a chip implant implant so you can Yeah. You've already had it since then. You don't have to do school anymore. You're at four years old. You've already got all the skill sets of but see, this is where this is where it comes crazy. And   we'll we'll get into we'll get into some crazy stuff, I think, after this boost to get announced. But I was gonna say my my only tip in here is   while I say all this, I don't think it's gonna be ubiquitous, AKA, this is not for everyone.  

I do think it's gonna become like an elite powerful group that will have all of this what I'm saying,   but it won't be everyone that has the ability or the chance to participate in all of this. It will become even more and more,   more it will be more dominated by certain figures, and I'm gonna say it, companies,   and governments will cease to really be that   operational   or, like,   useful in that regard.  

[00:27:05] Kyrin Down:

Here's a   little twist on that for you.   I can see the   full on techno   files   going down this path. They're the ones who are doing all the experimentation.   They're the ones who are saying, yes, we're going to, you know, have the AI children. That's normal.   I don't think you're going to I still think most births will probably be the natural ones just because so hard to come overcome evolution. Like, guys and girls just want to have sex and put put babies in each other.   Guys put babies in and girls. Maybe, maybe it'll change who knows.   But   I still think that'll be the norm. But imagine though, you're the full on technophile.  

You're   you've found your kind of community.   There's   you're the ones who are like, yep, brain implants, like, let's fucking do it.   Rockets to Mars and stuff. I want to be on it. All these sorts of things.   What if   much like   Bitcoiners, early Bitcoiners now, the super nerds,   they are a hunt like they are fucking extremely wealthy. They've got 10,000 plus Bitcoin or whatever.   Well, billionaires.   But would you say they are the elite? Are they the powerful?  

[00:28:20] Juan Granados:

No. I think so. I could certainly see there just being, like, a cluster of these people in Africa. I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll think I'll challenge this because it'll be an it's an each song. Pause the full after the the boot scream lunch. I I I got so much, man. We let me get at least one more. No. We're gonna go do the boost screen lounge quickly. We're gonna do the boost screen lounge quickly. No. No. No. So boost screen lounge folks at home is a chance for you to turn the boost the only reason I'm doing it is because we have no boost screens. But we've got lots of streams. No. I've I've got stuff.  

[00:28:47] Kyrin Down:

But No. I did talk about the streams.  

[00:28:50] Juan Granados:

Yeah. Exactly. That's why I didn't bring up. So,  

[00:28:53] Kyrin Down:

coming into my bag of goodies here,   a hat. It's not going on today. No one boosted in. The the the Chuck's cloth hat, Unfortunately, it's not going on lots of streams, but no boost streams. Yeah. But what I do have to do is give a little call and shout out and thanks to,   Anton. The Anton is from the Morpheus community. And   I was just doing some stuff, playing around with some things, and he's actually sent me some swag. So, I've got a little Morpheus cap   on here. On the back. It looks very nice.  

[00:29:27] Juan Granados:

I actually actually prefer the the. What's the bomb off you today? Thank you very much.  

[00:29:33] Kyrin Down:

The the Chinese   cap that I've got from my dad when he was in China.   I love the fit and style of this thing. Like this feels so good. Can I? Yeah. Can I try it? So if this was like squared and stuff. Yeah. So this one. So these. It is very nice material. These are like the American baseball cap type ones. It's just. That's amazing. That's really cool.  

[00:29:53] Juan Granados:

I'm a communist.   Yeah. Thank you. That's wonderful.   This is what communism   feels like. I'm converted. Kurt.   That's, that's an excellent feeling hat. I'm going to say I've never had a good feeling hat, but that was very nice.  

[00:30:07] Kyrin Down:

Morpheus t shirt. I see a little swag coming out, man. The future will be decentralized. Thank you, Anton.   A whole bunch of stickers and unfortunately, they've kind of like curled up, but I will stick with some things as well. Cool. And,  

[00:30:21] Juan Granados:

what else did he I've got some chocolates from him as well. Very nice. He didn't need to say thank thank you. Anton. Anton. I will continue I will continue holding the Morpheus hat on for the rest of the episode. Thank you very much. I'm I'm putting on the the comfy hat. But anyways, yeah, you can support us obviously doing this. You can send through some boostograms. You can share it and and do all the good things.  

[00:30:40] Kyrin Down:

And and most of that was because I did the mere Morpheus podcast, and, I'm actually going to start uploading the weekly maintainer updates   because they normally do it on Twitter   and I hate listening to it on there. It pisses me off. So I'm going to download them and just put them into that feed. So   just as much for myself as for other people. But it's also it's much more handy and easy access to get in a podcast iPhone. So that might be something   people would want to. So if you're interested in the Morpheus   kind of AI project,   that's,   go to me and Morpheus and you can get the weekly updates and the details on that. Yeah.  



[00:31:20] Juan Granados:

Cool. Alright. Get back at the program. We got lots of ideas. I think we got to talk about. Yeah, so much. So I still got to do robots, reserve currency, consciousness,   creativity. All right. Let's go to go to the currency one because I had a slightly different,   I guess, idea when you started talking about this of what might happen by February.  

[00:31:37] Kyrin Down:

So I posted a graph in the Discord about the global reserve currency across history. And if you look at it, you can just see that   it essentially has these and across history it was until like 1200   AD. So what the last eight hundred ish years   and you just see that these currencies   they they last for a period of time, usually between   fifty to two hundred years, something like that. And then it will get replaced by another one. And these are typically   a government owned   type one or government controlled one. So it'll be like   the   Spanish peso, for example, And then it'll be the Florence Florentine  

[00:32:18] Juan Granados:

Florence, I guess.  

[00:32:20] Kyrin Down:

The Dutch mark. Dutch mark, the British pounds were the dollar the American dollar   nowadays.   And then you can see like obviously this was a BTC   related graph. So they put BTC starting in   2019,   02/2009, something like that. And   okay, so it changes over time.   And personally, I do think BTC   Bitcoin will become the established one,   global reserve currency. I think that'll happen in this next   seventy five ish years.   But,   and so that'll but that'll take a couple of decades to switch over. And so there's always these transition periods. I was asking   AI about like, you know, did these transitions happen quickly? And like, yes,   you can look at things like the Bretton Woods and say there was a definite date when  

[00:33:13] Juan Granados:

this exactly  

[00:33:14] Kyrin Down:

got together and changed. But   even that one, it took a long time for   things to be   marked in price differently in the US dollar. There was periods where if you're buying oil or something,   it was in US and   the British pound simultaneously,   it had like two denominations.   So it wasn't just one thing. It was   you'd have like, oh, I can understand it's this and it's this and some   two people coming from different sides see the same thing and they're like, okay, that's the price. So it's not just one thing. So there's a switch over   and people really struggle with that denominator switch. I always see that in Bitcoin meetups where they're like, but it's price and USD like   therefore Bitcoin is it's always going to be price and USD. I'm like, Oh, you know, it's it's going to switch at some point.  

Take a take a while. But   people talk about Bitcoin beyond 2,100, I think are out of their fucking mind. And I've,   here was one thing that happened recently.   It's eternal.   It's more   they thought they were making more,   the claim of scarcity. You know, Bitcoin's so scarce. That's why it's so valuable.   And it's, you know, it's actually even more scarce than suns and the galaxies in the universe.   So and when it gets to that stage, I'm like, would I rather own a galaxy or a Bitcoin?   I think I want to own a galaxy, to be honest.   I can do a whole lot with a galaxy.  

So  

[00:34:49] Juan Granados:

when when it gets to 2,100, I think there'll be a new currency. I think there'll be a new a new thing that is valued. No. I think we get way more dramatic than that. I think I think 2100 brings a bit more drama into our lives. Okay. And that is so let let's let's go fundamentals. Right? A dollar. Australian dollar, American dollar, anything.   What do you use that for? What do you use money for? Right? Money here Purchasing things. Purchasing things. Correct. So to a camera, to microphones, to food. But   my view is that by 2100   and the like, the   AI usage and googling and stuff that I was doing is the my thought process,   a middle   not not your high what what is considered right now the   low socioeconomic   and your middle class grouping,   everything up to that middle class   will in essence be just about free. Like, most of living at that standard will become free.  

Again, I say that in the is that ubiquitous, everyone in the world? No. I think it's gonna be centered to, like, big   cities that allow for this possibility to occur, but things are just gonna become   basically next to nothing or free. Like, call it like a center to a free what whatever.   At that point,   if everything you need in terms of food and your items for your sort of daily living becomes free,   what then would you do with your money at that point? In fact, let's just stretch to the let's just stretch the idea. If if everything was free, right? If you could get all your necessities   for free,   then do you do you care or have a need for money? At that point, it becomes like, well,   I guess not really. I guess in my mind, I'm thinking,   well, not really. You don't you don't what would you need it for at that point? So will we get there by 2100 with like doesn't exist at all?  

No. Because then there's some   always going to be levels of like, well, what about a jet or like a yacht or something like that? Not everyone in the world is going to have that, even if we are at a post scarcity   economy,   but people might want to aspire to get there. I think this is why, but I still believe I think something like a Bitcoin is going to be the   fundamental thing of usage. I think the concept of   money as the usage of transacting what we think today is like, well, let's go to dollar figure,   will shift to more of a concept of energy.  

And that in itself is probably where Bitcoin will continue propelling and the usage of something like Satoshi or just fractional Bitcoin will become aplenty.   Yeah. Call it tokenization of the economy.   Call it using Bitcoin, whatever you wanna call it. I think it'll just become more of a case of the level of energy that you want to use to attain or get certain things. I think I've talked about it in the past, but I think by 2100,   it'll be a case of and again, how it is exactly plays out, I have nickel.   But it's, let's just say, my chair out there, rather than being, oh, that chair is $20.  

You don't it won't be considered that's $20. It also won't be considered,   like, oh, that chair has a value inherent to me of $20.   It'll be more a concept of, oh, I've   got   my energy availability   for the day or week of   whatever points you wanna call it, which here I think is gonna be like satoshis. Let's just say a thousand satoshis per week, and it'll be like, oh, that that's an equivalent of 15.   And   while we call it today as like, oh, yeah, 15 satoshi has a has a worth   because we map it to USD or to Australian dollars. I think by 2100, there will be no mapping to any currency. It'll just be, oh, that's 15 satoshis and satoshis   will actually be mapped to, you know, the energy that it takes to just transact or get that particular thing. Because at that point, when everything is   mixed in, like, $0,   what the hell is the concept of dollars or currency or the meaning of that? It'll just become more a currency of the energy it takes for you to get the product that you need or want. Yeah.  



[00:38:46] Kyrin Down:

I could certainly see the energy being more of a component of what actually makes up a currency   and particularly like   the global reserve one.   That chair example you mentioned,   I look at that now. And   I don't see kind of $20 in that, for example, because it's like,   how the fuck are you gonna get $20 Like, sure, you can go through all the effort of going on to Gumtree and stuff and can sell it. But   when you go walking around your day to day life in this house, I don't imagine you're like   $50 table $20 chair, you know,   no, for sure. Dollars 6 lamp or something like that. You just like no lamp chair desk. Yeah, that sort of thing. So   the kind of concept of money in terms of buying things, I think will still be there because   there's only so many resources on Earth. I don't think we're going to   be able to   go post scarcity in terms of physical stuff. So   people always going to want a bigger house, people always going to want fancier clothes and   the   way to flex or show that you are wealthy or have.  

And maybe wealth is not the right term. Perhaps it's powerful. Perhaps it's,  

[00:40:03] Juan Granados:

I'm more energetic. I've got more energy stored stored energy. Yeah. I just think I think I think the language will be more like that in that it'll be about   energy control power. It won't be about   money, wealth. That that that concepts those concepts, I think, will   fall to the years of utilization of, oh, you need   to work. Like, so, again,   foundationally, it's   right now, most humans, do you exert   a level of energy?   You know? You work for eight hours at roughly this pace to create certain things, and then you get paid   in, like, dollar figure something to the equivalent of either the value that you're doing or just   the physical work that you do. Or when it comes to a transition where oh, actually,   work is optional, which means, like, directly, you don't have to worry. You have to have zero joules of energy that has to be expended for you to get something.  

It's like, well,   the the concept of then what that transaction of getting something for value and everything costing almost zero, it makes no sense. Like, currency and wealth make no sense in that concept Yeah. Or just shifts to something different. There's already  

[00:41:09] Kyrin Down:

a fun experiment you can do, which is and I recommend most people at least try this once, which is if you're going to go buy something,   think of it in terms of, okay, I earn x dollars per hour. So if I'm buying this,   you know, kind of unnecessary   good, let's say you're on Timo or shine and you just see something like   ridiculously stupid   lava lamp of whatever   and you go, oh,   I could get that. Oh, okay. That's actually like two hours worth of my time. And so you can view instead of it being a currency, it's like you're viewing it in terms of time.   That's a fun experiment to do because you can then it gives you a different perspective on the value of the thing. And you go, Oh, okay, sure. It's, it's $60   But if I'm working $30 an hour, that's two hours of my time. Is it worth two hours of my current time to buy that thing? And it gives you a different flavor on the value of it. This is why I was,   hinting back to last episode, the kind of currency being some sort of measure of consciousness  

[00:42:09] Juan Granados:

and how much attention you get at something. I think it breaks down though that that that idea breaks down at the extremes. Right? Because you when you got people earning 15,000, dollars 20,000 an hour more   like then they'll see a lava lamp and it's like, oh, that's worth   one point three seconds of my time.   Are they gonna be like, oh, absolutely. One point three seconds. Sure. Whatever.   But the value of it might still be the value that any human might get from that particular Yeah. Look, I I,  

[00:42:38] Kyrin Down:

the way I'll put it, there will still be some sort of measure measuring system   of   value.   That's that's true. Yep. That's how I'll put it. And I don't think it'll be Bitcoin by that stage. I think it would be something   even more   digital   slash energy slash consciousness   related. Well, I   don't know if you've got  

[00:42:59] Juan Granados:

something, energy related, but one of the other ones that I think is very likely happened is   mini fusion reactors for everyone. I think I think we're gonna all have mini fusion reactors basically next door to the home. I think it'll be a concept of the   the the scientific breakthroughs of no. Two parts. One, people being okay with using nuclear infusion, but two, making it a scalable   generalized usage thing. Again, imagine it as like solar panels. You've got your wall batteries that you can be using. Next thing, it'll just be portable, like mini mini fusion reactors that   I think the way I noted it was like the, like, energy problem goes away at that point. Like, with enough mini fusion reactors doing what you need, that's it. You're you're good to go for a long Slash childbirth machine. I want both of them. At the same time. Yeah. I want my baby being made in the future. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's how am I gonna get my, you know, flash slash  

[00:43:56] Kyrin Down:

correct superhero baby that I want if it's not through that?   Yeah.   I hadn't had any thoughts on that. But that   makes sense to me in terms of   having a I've had power cut off pretty recently.   Fucking annoying. It was just annoying and also   completely wiped out   two hours of my time. So it was just like, oh, all of these things that I was going to do, you know, cook using the microwave can't do that now. Use the laptop or something. Well, I've got   an hour a bit of battery life on that.   So   when even just like the minor roving blackouts   that you can experience,   when you're off living off grid, for example, almost everyone has a generator out there because,   you know, the   you're so, so, so screwed when you when you don't have energy. So,   I really hope that it would be something like that and   getting   more away from   the digging chemical, digging shit out of the ground just to be able to, you know, use the zinc, the solar panels and stuff. And maybe there'll be a mix of things because,   but sure, nuclear.  

Sure. I'll go with it. Yep. Yep. We're going with it. Sounds good to me. I've I've got three more. Two are, like, crazy, and one is, like, insane. Okay. Well, I still need to do robots   and,   should I do this consciousness one? Well, maybe something could just be related to consciousness   is,   I was I was doing some research like,   Peter Slav   thank you, gave some recommendations in terms of   learning more about AI on the technical level. And so I had been doing that these last couple of months.   3Blue1Brown,   for example, gives real good visualization,   visualizations,   vectors and weightings of how some of the LLMs work at the moment.  

And   he gave an example of like, you know, you've got a full novel ending with therefore the murderer was dot dot dot. And   can the LLMs   at this current stage kind of piece it together use reasoning to figure it out? And let's say, at the moment,   yes. Is that your understanding?   They, it's a completely brand new novel. They've never been trained on it before, but they've   got enough like,   past inferences of what humans are capable of thinking  

[00:46:22] Juan Granados:

and to make the writing to get solitaire  

[00:46:24] Kyrin Down:

to do that. So I was I thought, yeah, you know, that reasoning, I think is kind of there in a sense.   But,   a little side idea that popped to me, my mind was   an indication for consciousness because   even if it can do that, I wouldn't say any of the AI's are conscious now.   And probably that's a I'd say most people agree with that, although there's some who disagree that Google guy   from a year or two ago was saying like this thing's conscious and etcetera, etcetera.   For me it would be something like,   if   the the weightings and the vectors, what he was saying was   this three blue one brown was   that it should always give the same output   on if it's got the data that it's got,   It's been trained on all these models. So snapshot at time, if you ask it a question, it should always give you the same response. That's that's   kind of how they work at the moment.  

An indication that perhaps some consciousness or something is happening beneath the surface is that it can give   different outputs   for the same input.   So   if you take a human, for example, like the way a joke sometimes is funny, it's like   you hear the same thing, why the chicken cross the road to get to the other side. But then like a joke works because you can put a twist on it or say something that's like   slightly unexpected   but still somehow links I think Dave Chappelle is really good at this. Hence why   he's like me so so fucking funny.  

So when AI starts giving some like surprise consciousness things like giving some surprises   Yeah. Where it's like, oh, I really didn't expect that. And   how did that come about?   It's kind of unknown. It's missed. It's a mystery.   That's where it's like the consciousness can kind of   be   said to said to be like, oh, something's conscious, which gets in to when you're talking about the,   people living longer.   I can see   us moving. If you want to live to 120,   you're, you're going to, you've got to move to silicone and away from the carbon.  

[00:48:40] Juan Granados:

Oh, absolutely. Fleshy  

[00:48:42] Kyrin Down:

stuff. So I think it's,   it's got to, it's got to go to silicone and I'm   reasonably confident that you can have   consciousness   through  

[00:48:52] Juan Granados:

Silicon. I don't think the actual I think it can. Matters. There was a and it was interesting convert I think Lex Fridman was having with can't remember who it was, but it might have been a couple of months ago. No talking about That now is it then? Well,   yeah. The the the the only this concept of, like,   you can only really understand   carbon life forms in, like, an outcome   when you when you speak and you say, oh, like, I kind of understand what that means or what it feels like in all this. We know it is, like, we understand that, you know, on a carbon life form. But   what happens when you go down the path of, okay, when the sun emerged with silicone and now the chemicals and substrates,   When that starts changing,   how do you even really start interacting and empathizing and connecting with these other humans or other, you know, beings?  

Because   the substrate is completely different. So the the the idea, I guess, maybe of, say, coming in Echolocation, for example. Yeah. Well, like, or pain, you know, even the user. Yeah. Echolocation. What does that even mean? Like, what does that even mean? That's to do it. We say batch. That's a conscious,  

[00:49:53] Kyrin Down:

but we don't have that physical that sense. Yeah. That ability of us to  

[00:49:59] Juan Granados:

consciously   think, oh, yeah. This is what it would be like. That that makes no sense for us because it doesn't does not exist in our concept or experience, whatever you might wanna term it. Although there is the the Thomas Nagel article.  

[00:50:12] Kyrin Down:

I read it recently. What it's like to be a bat? Yeah. And he he kind of says, but we we can kind of guess, you know, we can kind of guess what it's like to be a bat with the echolocation, even though we don't have that sense.   There's a feeling attached to that that we could be like.   And then and, you know,   feeling where that there's a wall over there   and sensing that instead of just visually seeing it.   Whereas with a rock or my water bottle, I go like, I don't think there's a feeling that it's like to be this thing. It's just nothingness. So   maybe that's still   it might not be true. And that   we that something's conscious, but we say it's not because we don't have a feeling of what it's like to be that I think it's more but it could actually be conscious. And right? Yeah, it just it's just down to like, our definition of what it feels like to be. By 2100,   will someone have committed what we would consider   an will it an atrocity? So, like Yes. We're in 2100, an atrocity has been committed against a AI or group of AI or something. Someone will go to jail  

[00:51:22] Juan Granados:

by doing something   erroneous on a robot. Okay. Yep. Yeah. I think that will happen. Alright. Alright. Nice.   Heared into my slightly more crazy ideas by February.  

[00:51:31] Kyrin Down:

Bad. Bad person who did that.  

[00:51:34] Juan Granados:

I think by 2100,   I'm calling   it humans   will become gods.   What do I mean by this? Humans will become gods. I wanna be Buddha. Right now,   the content that we watch or that we interact is made for us.   Wonderful.   But like where we sit today,   you can generate   brand new videos,   brand new images, and it's like an amalgamation of things and concepts.   I think in ten years time, I could probably start seeing that becoming where you could literally just generate your own movie,   your own   maybe short form movie or long form movie. Again, that has its own transitions.   But by February,   I think the   it the availability for just about any human on earth to use   whatever application or whatever input that is needed to create   whole replicable   universes,   solar systems in a digital format   to become a god. So I think,   I mean, now there's probably games that exist that are somewhat like this.  

But I wouldn't even call it a game anymore. I just think there will be   reality creating systems out there that everyone will have access to, to be your own god and run full entire universes down to the levels of you want this type of physics, you want, you know, the electron gravity pool to be this strong,   all the way down to the individuals, which kinda,   again,   kinda computes all the way back to us. And if we are in a simulation theory, I think it'll just be   so   I could not I think it's crazy, but I think it will happen all the way to, you know, you acting like a god. So you can just be, there, pull yourself all the way back and be like, you know what? I'm gonna set up the physics to be this way and gravity to do this and change the mathematic constant to do that. But you can also, like, zoom in and be like, you know what? I'm gonna go to the, 1,900 of this particular universe. I'm gonna go to Earth. I'm gonna I'm gonna smite smite this guy. Stuff this guy. Like, I think he's annoying. I'm gonna hit him with a lightning bolt.   I think that'll happen, but I think it's just gonna be I don't know how that concept will   generate, but I think everyone will become gods   of their own little universe that you'll just be able to interact. How you do that? I'm not sure. But So I  

[00:53:48] Kyrin Down:

was last night just reading,   Record of Ragnarok. We've talked about this before, where one had seen the Netflix thing where Zeus is doing   this is   his tippy toes.   We talked about that maybe three or four years ago or something. Yeah. Long time. And,   so I was reading that and they've got all these offshoot mangas as well related to it. There's one about Jack the Ripper, there's one about the gods themselves. And so like   the gods,   in the one I was reading last night,   they've got this final spot. So it's basically like story is   the gods sick of humanity. They're going to fucking smite them all. And that's this thing called Ragnarok. But humanity gets the chance to fight back and they fight against the gods   in these one v one battles.  

But, the spin off had this thing where it was like the gods were like, oh, there's one spot left and like each God is, you know, super prideful. They think like, I'm the one I'm the fucking strongest. I'm the one who should be in that final spot, the best spot.   And so now they've got another mini tournament where it's God v God. Oh, I got to get it. Okay.   And,   this is actually almost very similar to what you're talking about because all of these gods they created, they got to create their own universe. They got to,   you know, decide whether,   they wanted to, like, kill humanity   or not in their universe, but they're all kind of somehow linked as well. So this is where you go on like, okay, it's happening, man. It's happening. World gods. February.  

There's going to be a prophecy. I'll actually I'll create the prophecy for us right now. So people in 2100   can   come back to this and there'll be like the wisdom of Kyren. Yep.   He he hath or spoken   and in 2100   there's going to be a God v God battle   and   it'll be   very much like Record of Ragnarok where they're just fighting over who gets to fuck up or domain over the remaining humans because there's still going to be some humans like out in the wild non gods.  

[00:55:45] Juan Granados:

That's that's. Yeah, it's just going to happen. You know what? I also think it's going to go down the path from reading Lord of the Rings. It kind of   like, I don't know, just came up in my mind in that, you know, Lord of the Rings, the trilogy, not The Hobbit, but the the trilogy that came out of the fact that J. R. Tolkien just created this world and languages and all these things. And then from that kind of came a story. Now I'm sure he had some idea of what sort of story he might wanna tell because he'd written The Hobbit, The Ring was in it, all this sort of stuff. But he created this huge world and then essentially placed up. Was The Hobbit first or was it? The Hobbit was first. Yeah, The Hobbit. So, so J. R. Tolkien wrote The Hobbit. It was originally intended for his kids. So he wrote it while he was just like doing his teachings and whatnot. And I can't, I don't know specifically if he just released it for his kids or he wrote it for, wrote it, kind of produced it as a book and then it sold really well.   But it was it was intended to be just for his kids. That's why it was much shorter, not as much detail. Then he was always fascinated with world building and law and just created   all the languages and the world that is like middle earth. And then from that, apparently,   then he was like, oh, now that I've got all these places and people and histories,   kind of just came out the creation of, you know, Lord of the Rings as we know. So you're gonna create Old Tom Bombadil. Yeah. Old Tom Bombadil. But what I think from from that extraction is it it'll become exactly the same thing where, you know, right now, if you wanna create a story, like a movie, sure, you like me, you could think of like, oh, I wanna create a movie that's like this and maybe in a couple of years AI will be able to do it. I think by February,   it'll be like, no, you'll be creating like whole universes   kind of   a la J. R. Tolkien creating his own world. You'll be doing that, but in like full reality and it'll just be going and you could just pick and choose and like be like, oh, did I want to watch full full reality?  

Full virtual reality? Full virtual reality, full virtual reality. But at that point, you know, what what's the differentiation between, you know, virtual and non virtual?  

[00:57:39] Kyrin Down:

Well,   very nicely linked up to my second last one here about creativity. So   I hinted at this as well in the last episode of Rick Beato, and he was talking about IP and copyright.   And he's still doing it now. And he's saying like, you know, there's a demonstration of him, hey, I've got this you know, particular software with AI in it.   Hey, create me an image of a girl called, like, Sandy Simones or something. Or maybe he doesn't even say that just like give me a give me a girl like mid twenties,   indie pop star   creates an image and gives her a name and then it's like, hey, create me a song.  

You know, it's got to have this type of vibe to it. And it does it creates a song. It's a passable song, like, okay, so it's not the worst thing I've ever heard.   And   how that came about was, you know, she has been trained over all of these examples of   songs for throughout history, and, you know, female pop stars throughout history. And it spit out something that's kind of like a amalgamation of them all.   Who owns the IP and copyright to that? Does Rick Beato because he gave it the prompt? Does each person have like a 110000%   of Katy Perry of Sabrina Carpenter of,   you know, etc, etc.  

I   don't see how over time IP can really be protected.  

[00:59:05] Juan Granados:

As in like Well, I did have this I did have this thought. I didn't put it into my notes. I just like   it would need a lot of exploration about it. But   the I think that   the strength   our concept of our data or data   of creation of things   will be now whether it's using something like blockchain for verifiable truth or some other protocol or some other way,   you will be able to receive royalties   or the usage of your creation or your material   into the future by whatever system   gets used. I mean, here, I'm thinking AI, but who knows what it looks like into the future. But by that, I mean, is if you've if you're a songwriter and put 10 songs out in the world,   like your,   your your data pool of information,   if it gets used   32,000,000   times a year, you'll get paid fractionally every single time that he gets leveraged. So and again, here I'm paid whatever   system, whatever   form of funding is used in that particular time domain is how it would get used. So so IP   protection,   like, it kinda goes away   under the proviso that everything that everyone puts out is always has some sort of fractional   basis back to the creator to some degree. But Yeah. I don't I was thinking this, and I was just I did this. No. I  

[01:00:30] Kyrin Down:

I think there'll still be privacy in the year 2100. If you wanna have a,   you know, do something in the privacy of your own home, you'll be able to do that and to be able to, like, you know, switch off systems and things where it's like Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they'll still be data. The reason I'm saying this is that you then have the choice to basically on sell or not sell your data. Yep. Yep. So   I think that'll be a thing in February.   If you want   to have an IP or brand,   you can still have provenance with things like saying like I was the one who first had this idea. I was the one who first put this thing out. It's more the protection of it that you can see nowadays with let's take the James Joyce estate.   If you want to put a paragraph of a James Joyce novel into a book that you're writing,   and whether that book be,   you know, a   long   meandering Lord of the Rings type thing, and you're just like, here's the perfect quote to insert into here,   whether it be an actual   book about James Joyce, the author, and   to include him as a here's a sample quote of him as a demonstration of his writings.  

At the moment, the James Joyce Estate, they go, fuck, yeah,   give us a ridiculous sum of money in either case. And if you don't, we'll set the lawyers on you and fuck you to hell. That's that's how it works at the moment.   James Joyce Estate being particularly egregious   probably because his work is so fucking worthless   that that is the only reason that they like can somehow make money. So who the who the hell is buying a James Joyce book?   The   I don't think that system of being able to just go after people like that's going to work in the world of   anyone be able to create anything and   and   say like, hey, I want to,   a James Joyce type,   you know, lyrical   passage about   a chair.  

I don't see that happening. So it's it's more like the enforcement sort of idea getting into it's almost like a V for V world where it's just more transactions are done on a voluntary basis instead of a   hey, give me your money.   Oh, yeah. It's the enforcement of this that I'm not really sure was is going to work unless you have, you know, like   an AI system versus an AI system and yours.   Yeah,   That's, I guess, like, the the fundamental question is, doesn't doesn't that idea have an owner?   And I   I don't believe that   to be the case   personally. Ethically, I would say, but I might be in the minority there. So   it's irrelevant. I just see these systems getting so powerful, so strong that it's going to be   impossible to to try to follow it for four or seven and keep up with, like, how much of this percent of this idea was used in this other idea.  

I just don't see that. Yeah, well, it could become become meaningless. So   you can still do branded storytelling,   and you can have it in your place. Let's take vc vfriends, for example, I think you'll still be able to do that.   But in terms of, like, enforcing and making sure that, you know, me, Kyron over here and I make a kindred kangaroo spin off series, I'm not I don't think he's going to be able to enforce that, but   we'll see. We'll see. Last   last ones. Last ones.   Robots. There's there's,   what do you envision robots as   being part of our lives in February?  

So there's physical   physical hardware   that is non human.   What do you foresee them doing? Or   where are they going to be in their lives?  

[01:04:12] Juan Granados:

I think there'll be now you this is coming from the guy who thinks we're going to have humanoid robots in our home in, like, two Well, I think I think I've chipped chipped in my mind a little bit in that. I don't think there'll be that humanoid in form in 2100. I think it'll just be robotics   or the   the usage of technology   across just about everything   that you're doing around the home would just be so again, not that one's gonna be ubiquitous. That that'll just be everything. Like,   anything I I could be listening at anything, but it it'd just be yeah. Basically,   everything you can think of, it'll just be to some degree, shape or form robots  

[01:04:46] Kyrin Down:

supporting it. Okay. Okay.   For me, hardware, most difficult of all things in terms of   creating a product and selling it. That's why Apple is so, so valuable.   So they did it.   I feel like a metaverse is a more realistic   idea than   it being implemented in the real world. I, Robot style, for example. So if you have to take like   the Wreck It Ralph version of,   of a world or record   sets of cartoon, I'm trying to think of a,   a more,   appropriate one. Let's let's say I haven't actually watched the film, but what was the what was the one where it's like a kid goes into,   into like a battleground sort of thing via VR? It was really popular.  

Oh, yeah.   I never actually watched it, but. I know exactly. I watched it. I forget what the name of it is. That thing versus I, Robot. I think it'll be more the the kid version. So it's yeah, the VR type thing.   So will we have humanoid   robots walking the streets in our homes?   No, I'm gonna say no for those   mostly for the size disparity. And so I'm gonna put in a size thing onto it. Because I don't want a robot with a bigger dick than me. I can't handle that one.   No, so it's actually  

[01:06:04] Juan Granados:

I think we'll have nanobots doing crazy shit inside of the body. I think so. I think. Yep. I think I think that's definitely a possibility. I think that's a strong possibility. That'll be like a big piece of just life life extension, just the use of nanobots   or basically everything and anything.  

[01:06:20] Kyrin Down:

And would also have gargantuan things like the trucks, the ships, the diggers,   and those will be   well away from us.   And if there's going to be any   mid sized human type robot things,   I think we're just going to have separation. I just don't see how we can interact with these things, which are   so,   especially if they're like autonomous.  

[01:06:46] Juan Granados:

Easy. You've triggered my trap card on how we're going to do this in February.  

[01:06:50] Kyrin Down:

But let me finish here. So we'll have all the big ones,   the ships, the containers, the trucks, they'll be, you know, in the middle of the desert, they'll be on the oceans, all that sort of stuff.   Nanobots inside of us all around. Sure.   Yep. And   the mid sized robots our size,   I think there will be them, but they will be drones. So they'll dominate the skies because I just don't really see   I don't ever see a human   individual human flight being a thing. I don't think we're good with three d. We need to be two d animals. So,   that's where I certainly see like if there's going to be tons of robots, the drones taking over the skies. Yeah, sure. I can.  

Or like, let's say the mid skies from could imagine that   to me three meters off the ground to   where the flame planes fly up.   Is  

[01:07:40] Juan Granados:

it 31,000  

[01:07:41] Kyrin Down:

feet? Yeah. So like maybe they can dominate until   certain height like 25,000   feet or something. Yep.  

[01:07:48] Juan Granados:

I think so. See, this is the, this is the one I was, I was thinking about because this is my other one crazy. I don't think this will be normalized by them, but we will have loads of robots doing loads of things   Right   now, when you think from   the   1990s   or 1980s, you had,   once again, like phones, you had pages. So you're like typing it into little buttons. You know, now we're in the   still using a screen now. There's no button, but it's a screen and you're moving around. You're still using your fingers.   Maybe in this twenty, thirty years, it'll shift to much more voice.   Otherwise,   but by February, I'm calling this out. I don't know if I've heard this ever elsewhere. The original one. This is the original idea. We're gonna have thought to thought protocol.  

And the the way that I'll break this down is,   I don't know if you're familiar. So when you go database to front end layer for a website, let's just say it has to go through certain like layers.   And usually if you'd have your database and your database goes out to what is called an API layer or just like a   a layer that is helpful in terms of matching what the request of the information is. Because your database might have   like a 100 rows of data of of of columns or tables of data. But for   going and buying a particular thing, you only need one or two tables or columns or data areas. And so you'll selectively get that and you'll click all these buttons. So yes, in the foreseeable future, you'll go from tapping or clicking to just voice activating and going through that layer. But there is a thing called the machine to machine interaction, which is kind of you don't need that front end layer interaction because from a machine to a machine, all they're caring about is, I just need all this bulk of data to go and do the oldest other things I need to do. So just to it's much faster. It's much quicker. Just go, look. Here you go. I think it'll be two parts. We're gonna have thought to thought protocols for humans, as in there won't   be much use for speaking anymore. Everyone will just be thinking things and passing each other thoughts and there'll be much less confusion in that. And you'll have to have like certain   security gates, security gates on what you're allowed to pass through. Yeah,  

[01:09:49] Kyrin Down:

because there's the   big like objection to that would be the, Everyone can think can can like see what I'm thinking. Yeah. And also the the thoughts that   identifying   your own thoughts with yourself as well. Cause like True. We've all had these fucked up things where you're like, woah, I can't believe I thought that that's really fucked. Yeah. So there'll be some security border around that, but it'll be full to full protocols with all the machinery that you live and go around. So  

[01:10:16] Juan Granados:

when, if I, when I was really thinking about it, again, I'm like, you know, 2,100.   Okay. Imagine you have robot Ubers, you know, robot taxis that are coming and picking you up, but you won't be interacting with them with a phone. You won't even be doing it by voice. It'll be pure   full protocols of, you know, bing. It just goes out to like little noise areas. It'll be like, oh, I actually need to go to that location, which then that connects to the other location and then it just brings it through. So as soon as whatever it is that you need, it's a same thing will be when you   wake up, if that's still a concept. It'll be a thought protocol of okay cool, like coffee machine go, this needs to be clean, this needs to be fixed up. So, I think it'll get   again not normalized. I think that might be at the, you know, technophile   or like elites level that might have that. But I think we're gonna get to a thought protocol within seventy five years. Yeah.  

And then my my super crazy idea, which which Karen had a little bit, this morning when I was talking about with my wife, is we're gonna achieve time travel. Time travel. We're going to achieve time travel. It's gonna happen seventy five years from now. But what I mean by that is, again, I talked about the creation of universes and doing last thing. I think you're gonna be able to fork yourself, merge, fork yourself in these various ways in that you might wake up one morning and you go, but I wanna go and go to the city and go and have an enjoyable time. But, you know, you don't have to leave it to chance anymore. So it's 2100. So you use whatever you full to full protocol to get all this information for you and you can run   infinite simulations of what could one do today that will achieve this to do that to get this outcome. And it'll go, cool. I'll just run   every single permutation with quantum computer and go through and be like, okay. Well, today, if you wanna have a really good time and a at at the best opportunity to meet a fellow female   and blah blah blah, then you should go here, do this, do that, do this, do this, do this, do this, do that. I've already scheduled it in for you. Do you wanna proceed with that particular timeline? And you go, yes, I do. Bang. Off you go. Now, our work made is called. Yes. But if you're doing that, what if everyone else is doing it until then they change the timeline? Yeah. Again, that's that's all comes down to the probability ratios. Right? Yes. It's a probability thing, but everyone else's probability will also give them   rational probabilities with the use of what's going on. So I think   time travel backwards.  

I don't know. I'm gonna talk about it. But time travel forwards to predict the future or to give you the best probability of the future, I think will exist by February. I reckon someone's gonna create that with the usage of all that kind of like universe creation   to go. It'll be like a multiverse situation and you could just run-in your own local local multiverse running. Mhmm. And then you can just you can fork yourself as a human and then merge yourself back into whatever you wanna do that day. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I think I think we're gonna see that, folks. I think we're gonna see damn time travel by forking yourself out and merging yourself back to your most preferred timeline into the day. Sure. Yeah. That that that could be fun. That could be fun. Okay. Quick rapid fire before we give like maybe like an overview day of the life of someone in February.  

[01:13:11] Kyrin Down:

Yep. So,   will there still be noticeable race differences   in February,   especially if we're intermingling with each other and the robots? Yep. So there'll be there'll be there'll be one significant race difference. I think it's going to be the  

[01:13:26] Juan Granados:

people who are max tech using and people who are not max tech. So it's not going to be a  

[01:13:31] Kyrin Down:

like  

[01:13:32] Juan Granados:

skin color type thing? Yeah, I think I think hope it's all that and it'll become  

[01:13:37] Kyrin Down:

a those who use maximal tech and those who don't. Yep. I do remember reading something a while ago that the   average race color is becoming a bit more chocolatey. Just over time, like a milk chocolate.   You've got the the dark skinned Africans, the white, you know,   Swedish Eskimo type type people and that just an every variation in between and that gradually, we're all getting towards a bit more of a brownish color.   I think that is still happening.   They'll I'll still I'll say there will still be race differences,   but the bigger ones will be, like you mentioned, the techno file versus non techno file. Okay.  

Will we will we be interstellar with our meat bodies at all? We didn't talk about space travel or anything like that. Most of this seems centered around Earth. Are we going to be interstellar by the time? I think we will. I think we will. Yep. I would say yes.   But it won't necessarily be without meat bodies. I just think space is probably   too harsh.   And so  

[01:14:42] Juan Granados:

I just think we will   and   it will become more fascinating and easier to   digitally explore a universe than it will be to actually explore the universe. Yes, correct. I agree with that and safer. Is. Yeah, for sure.  

[01:14:58] Kyrin Down:

I think they'll still there'll be some pioneers   who will be on Mars who want to go outside of our galaxy   in their physical meat bodies just because they can't. Yep. But   the vast majority of humans will be still on Earth is my prediction there.   How many humans and when I say humans, I mean the kind of meat body version or it's, you know, there's I think we'll have more. There's more than what we have to say.   More? More. Are we talking,   you know, tens of billions, hundreds of billions? Nah, I'm going to say like ten, twelve billion. Okay. I also think that will be in like the low tens of billions sort of range. So that's,   that's kind of my thoughts as well. Alright. So day in the life, let's say it's like Kyren,   you know, mid thirties guy   in 2100.  

Will I be alive?   I'd be 108   by  

[01:15:53] Juan Granados:

by that time. We're going to be easily alive unless you get unless we die by,   like, by an accident. I think everyone everyone's scot free. Everyone's good. You get you're going to be around for sure.  

[01:16:03] Kyrin Down:

Yeah,   I'm fifty fifty on that. I'm not sure. Not sure of that. I think seen seen an accident   or freak virus development. If I make it to 80, you think I'll make it to a 108? Correct. Yep.   Yep. Alright. Okay. Interesting.  

[01:16:19] Juan Granados:

I'm not sure. Self propelled existence by your body alone. I think you'll get there. But external factors,   obviously, my poster is done. Yeah. Sure. Sure.  

[01:16:28] Kyrin Down:

Okay. So I wake up. I've got a I'm imagining I'm waking up. I'm in a very similar house to like the one we're in now. A house.   It's or an apartment, a physical space of,   you know,   adequate size for how many square foot or just general houses.  

[01:16:47] Juan Granados:

160  

[01:16:48] Kyrin Down:

square meters. That sort of square footage range.   I've probably got   a partner or significant other with me,   whether that's a human or an AI.   Up to your choice, up to your choice.   I get up and do something less, I'm still going to do   silly stupid things. Let's say I get up too quick, or I've got a glass of water next to me on the table.   I'm not gonna over break it like fuck and maybe even cut myself something. So it's like, ah, shit. That I go down, I like walk out of the room. I'm thinking like,   yeah, like, whatever. I think what I say to just   a robot ish type thing in my house, not talking to humanoid humanoid one, but just a robot ish thing.  

Perhaps it'll just be the vacuum cleaner type one.   Hey, can you go clean that up?   I've got to fix up my hands and I just go to like a wall or something and I press my hand against it. It diagnoses like, oh, yeah, it's like this type of cut.   Here's nanobots,   fixes it up, cleans up my shit.   I kind of am deciding what am I going to do with today? Still, we haven't genetically   modified the genetically.   We haven't modified the atmosphere or temperatures and stuff. So it's still going to be like, oh, is it going to be rainy today or   sunny?  

We'll have better prediction systems of it. So I'll be able to know like, oh, it's going to rain in this area in particular at this time.   But it's still going to be largely at the whims of of,   of the world,   the atmosphere   as to what it actually is.   I spend time with friends, I get to choose largely what I'm doing.   The work component,   I just   don't think we're going to be working by that stage. And in terms of   work   of doing things that you dislike for money.   And don't think the vast bulk of people are going to be doing that. Is it a utopia?   No, there's still going to be kind of like, homeless ish type people who don't have a physical location.  

But much like now that homeless people have   stereos   and   phones and stuff like that.   They'll they'll be out and about but you know, they'll still have access to   crazy things, which nowadays would be like, holy fuck, that's, that's a god right now. But in fact, it's just a homeless person in February.   I'm imagining drones flying around in the air.   I'd still prefer connections with people and some connections in real life with people. But digital is going to be the vast bulk of things. So,   I'll spend time in a metaverse ish type place. I will   be ordering,   doing things,   working, playing on a screen type thing in my house. Perhaps it's just glasses,   or perhaps it's even just a visual, you know, brain chip or something that is projecting things in front of me. I'm still going to be mostly meat based,   and there will be still pockets of humanity doing different things. There's going to be the pocket of humanity   with a naturalist living out and there's like an acreage and you know, getting diseases and stuff. And I'll just be like viewing them much like I view   the people who are completely anti vaccine   and their children are getting smallpox and fucking polio and shit like that nowadays where you're like, What the fuck is wrong with you?  

And then there'll be the other versions who are the   crazy techno files.   They're super modified. They're doing all of the   random ass body modifications   and, you know, electronic ears or   whatever else. They've got rid of their arm and it's completely   like bionic arm, kind of like how people were getting tattoos back in the day and it's like, holy fuck, they've got a full sleeve. Like, they've just ruined their arm or like their bikie or something like that. So you'll have all these subcultures.   We didn't talk about the I guess like other ethical type things, but yeah, there'll be changes in ethics. I will be   you know, you can't kill an AI that'll be viewed as an. Well, we're talking about like, you know, will someone get sent to jail because   of. But but then also, you know, will borderless travel be available? It's not going to be utopia. There's still going to be like fucked up places in the world where you're like, oh, I really don't want to visit there. I wouldn't want to be born in that sort of place nowadays. I actually think the the only thing I'd change there is that I'll I think it might be if  

[01:21:31] Juan Granados:

if we either humanity or   like city centers and that don't   change or do something to help   force more physical presence.   I see it more   dystopian in that   you wake up   you thought to the machine and be like, Yeah, can you make me this so I can drink that? You if you have kids of that choice, I just say you make the choice of having a digital baby. So you make a digital baby and check-in and, you know, provide all the context.   And then I actually see a very dystopian in that you then   go lay down on like a really comfortable   chair for your meat body to sit in and then you just either through screen or through just thought to thought, you just go into the universes   that you create, that you're God like and you just spend all your time there. Yeah. Because like that to me is like if that is achieved,   I think for an average individual,   again, it's kind of like the example, yeah, if you can go into a world that you have full, you know, omnipresence   and complete and utter power,   what is then in the world at large did you actually want to experience if that's like your maximal   experience that you can achieve right there if it's very close to reality.  

I guess at that point like the my dystopian view is unless we do something about it,   the real world become not really used. Everyone just be in digital world because then why why would you not why would you at that point was gonna be, why in the hell would you not be in the digital world? Kinda like matrix mode. Why wouldn't you just be in there?  

[01:23:06] Kyrin Down:

Yeah.   It might get less used,   but it'll still be used by people. I  

[01:23:13] Juan Granados:

think I think the problem comes in that we're saying that it is like humans of today, you know, and like humans if a generate like two generations from now will go   maybe they'll be like, what the hell? You were using phones? Why wouldn't you just like talk to your wall and get them to call? Like, you know, something crazy like that, which is like the kind of next evolution. And then another two generations will be like, the hell you were talking? Like, couldn't you just like think to do all this other thing? So I think similarly, like, that that step those steps, it'll be a little bit of, like,   you know, oh my god. You watched a movie that someone else made? Like, when you've just made whatever the hell you wanted that to entertain you? And then Yeah. The evolution on that is, like, why would you wanna go outside when maybe it's rainy,   maybe it's sunny and you're gonna get sunburn when you could just lay down, relax, and dream  

[01:24:01] Kyrin Down:

anything you want and it occur? Yeah. Yeah. It's I just I also go just, you know, take the differences from 1,800 to eighteen seventy five.   So because we're talking about twenty one hundred seventy five years in the future,   you know, that there was   significant stuff geopolitically,   but the way humans lived   was well, yeah, I'd say changed rather dramatically with the revolution of the   steam engine. So more people were moving into the cities.   '75 to 1950   and   Obviously, big World War had changed a lot of things. So   taking that into consideration,   electricity   in the homes,   and things like that. And then 1950 to now,   we're still probably we've focused a lot on the technology aspect, but probably not enough on humans still being humans throughout that whole period.  

Still getting into like love hate relationships with people of the opposite sex, still producing a lot of babies,   still   valuing art and rare things,   still,   you know, has   has our   tastes   and   our,   you know,   fashion now   was is popular, important fashion back then was popular, important.   The entertainment   now popular, important same same back then. So the things that we focus on are still interested on are still largely the   same. And I don't think we've   probably not factoring in enough on the like   millenia's of evolution that got us to the where we are now. Yeah. How that will. Yeah. Sometimes that'll dictate a lot of the things that we do even if we have   the technological wonder wonderlands, which I think we  

[01:25:52] Juan Granados:

think we still I I do agree. I like I sometimes think in that way, I'm gonna go like, yeah, that is true because if you look at, you know, past whatever hundreds of years, again, you've got to extrapolate it based on the pace of evolution of humanity and whatnot. But then sometimes I think, yes, but that's also stupid in that if something big enough happens,   then it doesn't matter what the precursor seventy five years was. If something of radical difference happens in the next preceding years, then it changes things completely. It fucking does not matter what the fucking last seventy five years happened. So, like, an example I sometimes think it's like, you could go look back and be like, well, you know,   in the last seventy five years, well, this happened like a virus happened and I will have to go in and change, but overall, we didn't change all that much. They're all yeah. Well, what if in ten years a fucking meteor   destroys the world and then it's 15 humans left existing in in space?  

Like, fucking, it's completely different. So, obviously, I'm not saying something to that level, but again, if technology if something so dramatically heavy   hits from a technological perspective or another perspective altogether Yeah. It's like, yes, it will change it very dramatically. Like, I think people   can get caught up in, oh, yeah. But human evolution has been evolutioning in this way for, you know, millions of years, and so it won't fuck up. Because if it act if something heavy enough changes, well, of course, it will change.   The probability of that is lower.  

But I think inversely, if you looked at seventy five years ago and thought of what was available   at the time to change and then following seventy five years,   yes, people were thinking like flying,   cars and this would have happened. And some things did come to fruition sometimes earlier. Other things that they couldn't even have possibly thought could happen, did happen and go beyond. Like there's no way seventy five years ago people thought like, oh, we're gonna have fucking AI's.   Probably like cloud computing, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Quantum computing, man. Fucking quantum computing to it to that extent. Like, people would be like, what do we have that now? We do have quantum computing. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was just like one little thing that that No. No. No. No. No. Because like a quantum computer, it's just it, like, all it means is that you have a computer using qubits and they've existed for like a long time. It's just, they're just making those computers bigger. Yeah. But that's all, with more qubits. Sure.   In any case, it's like,   if you look seventy five years ago to some of the stuff's happening now, there's like zero chance people would have like really predicted it. I think it just that that trend will continue   and at the pace of scale of changes, it'll just become   so dramatically different that I kind of I go it's unfair comparison to kind of go back the previous seventy five years. You almost have to look at it at the what's been the rate of change for certain things   to then predict what it might look like in the five, ten in compounding changes and then maybe being like, okay, that might be a more realistic view. The singularity type there. I should probably read that book. So  

[01:28:39] Kyrin Down:

it's an interesting concept from what I know of it, but perhaps actually reading it. Sometimes you read a book, you've got to like an idea of a concept like the metaverse, for example. You got this idea of it. Then you read the book where it was birthed from Snow Crash and you go like, wow, okay, that was completely different. Different to what you actually thought. He was writing something very different to what people are talking about.   Okay, we've talked a lot today. That was very fun. Thank you, Ron. A couple of comments here just before we finish up.   Got Cole McCormick. He was saying the year 2100 will be magnificent.  

Society will be perfect.   Common homes will resemble temples. Our vehicles will be like UFOs. Earth will be limitless.   And he goes, Star Trek future. All material meds needs met. No money.   Genesys   Arc, Genesys Arc abstracts saying 54 and looking at 70. I have no idea what that means. 54 and looking at 70. Maybe I was talking about age or something. Yeah. That's that's what I was thinking. Then Cole says, Juan lost me when he started talking about Lex. He's not he's not a big Lex. Yeah. No. He's not. He doesn't like Lex. I, I don't  

[01:29:38] Juan Granados:

like Lex   in the sense of how he might   articulate certain things, but I do like the guests that he gets on. Yeah. We've got some very cool guests. I was just gonna say, I haven't actually looked at any of his podcast episodes in I'm going to say probably six months. That's who he was talking to. He   was talking to the CEO   of DeepMind.  

[01:30:02] Kyrin Down:

Okay.  

[01:30:03] Juan Granados:

Right. I don't know. I've got a list up here. You can probably bring it up. He was talking to like, I'm not going to go and listen to Iran.   Yeah. Yeah. That actually that's what has turned me off the most about him. He started doing politics. He was talking to Demis Hassabis, the future of AI, simulating reality, physics and video games. And he, yeah, he's the CEO of   Google's DeepMind.   But I think at the similar time that I watched that particular one, there was, I don't know if you've seen it, Google came out with a,   imagine like world building, like game building,   but instead of, you know, going and coding out the game and whatnot, you give it prompts of what the area it is that you want to be in. It drops like the first person   view into it. And then it   creates the world around you as you moved using just, again, tech, but to create an infinite world, basically, that you can just keep on playing. And in the   scale of, I guess, like a game where you go into a random cave and random things will pop up like loot and monsters. I think about it in the same way, but everything that's happening is randomized   to parameters that you might give it. It was actually quite I'll show you afterwards if you haven't seen.  



[01:31:13] Kyrin Down:

To counter this, there is also a thing called Quantum Hosky, which is a game that,   I guess, IOG is creating.   And,   the if you go to the,   Husky livestream that I did, there's a presentation from Trim, and he's talking about how it's got dish brains,   A. I. S,   in   it, some sort of biological other thing. And,   the game is like four d.   It's it's I think dimensions   it. It's the most retarded thing I've ever heard, to be honest.   I'm not sure it's a playable game. What you just said sounds very similar to that. So, yeah, I'll show you maybe messing around these things, which I'm not sure can be met. Yeah. Yeah. There's also what I'll say. Last comment   here. Real truth   from Cole. Real truth. Consciousness is inherently spiritual.  

Tech bros know nothing about it. Your soul is what is conscious. Your soul connects to your DNA. Your brain just manages things.   Yeah, sure. I would probably disagree with that goal. I'm more scientifically   minded than I think when it comes to soul. I think we'll all  

[01:32:22] Juan Granados:

my my take on all this sort of stuff in the conversation of like soul and what it means to be like a being and everything else. Again, I think I'm following that path of information at the base layer and   all of that just connectedness with just pure, just information and whether you want to call that data points, whether you want to call it extraction points.   You know, when people say, well, you know, I could,   I could feel like the spirit of something else that's happening and or good collocation and some people start talking about it. It's because we're in the fabric of the universe. I think there's some   relation and connectivity in that, in that the base layer of everything is just data, like information layer. And so maybe that information,   again, we're not the right people to talk about, but whether it's, you know, through a quantum entanglement, whether it's through another way of entanglement from an information perspective, maybe that in the end break gets brought up as being the soul or the entity or like what makes you you.  

I don't know if   like you, I'm more of like I need to see like some proof in the science. I'm reading a book at the moment called Bad Science  

[01:33:23] Kyrin Down:

and it's, so which is why I'm particularly attuned to   a bad science.   Well, yeah. That bullshit   radar detection is an on heightened. Yeah. Okay. Particular moment. And he calls out things like antioxidants, for example. People talk about antioxidants, nutritionists.   He goes after like and when I say go after, I mean, like he talks shit about   the homeopaths,   nutritionists   and,   really calling them out on, Okay, what do you mean when you say   antioxidants,   you know, going to have this effect on you or that a there's been a study that. Showns your body. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or getting rid of the toxins in. Yeah. And,   you know, what do you mean when   there's you say there's a study that shows that turmeric,   can is highly protective   or   highly   potent or protective   or something p   against cancer. And he's like,   when you say that   and there's, you know, you go into it, there's either no studies, or they they're just failing all the fundamental   things. There's no actual data, they made it up. They are confusing   correlation with causation. So they are extrapolating heavily   from data that might suggest one thing.  

Their   data collection was iffy at best. And, you know, he just goes on like these are some of the fundamentals of the scientific method. Maybe maybe the scientific maybe by February, we can just have like more   proofs or more like preciseness of stuff like that. Because I agree with someone's like. When it comes to consciousness, unless there's some sort of measuring system, I'm   I'm highly skeptical of a lot of claims made about souls and energy and vibrations   and,  

[01:35:13] Juan Granados:

claims about what, what that implies and the ethics. Yeah, I don't I'm not I'm not it doesn't make me question, but the question that always pops up like in my mind is, yeah. What's what's the underlying thing making all this work? If if if it could be it is reality like, okay, what's the reality that's underpinning this all? Communism.  

[01:35:31] Kyrin Down:

That's what it is.  

[01:35:32] Juan Granados:

Crap, meanwhile, I was going to leave it there. That was a long one. I hope you enjoy. Thank you for the comments. Thank you for staying tuned. Yeah. For now, we're going to leave it there. Jump into our Discord for if you want to know about next week's topic early on, if you want to provide any thoughts on that. I've actually got a thing that I'll talk about with one afterwards.  

[01:35:49] Kyrin Down:

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