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Let's help Juan find some excitement in the daily grind!

In Episode #501 of 'Meanderings', Juan and I discuss: the shifting meaning of “adventure” across seasons of life, adventure beyond skydiving (think ballet classes, new walking routes, digital art experiments and structured learning), how vicarious adventures through kids or friends can scratch the itch without derailing priorities, a note on podcasting 2.0’s KeySend/LNURL Lightning shift and practical ideas to add novelty without burning your foundations.

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Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:17) Framing adventure and seasons of life
(00:05:21) Reality check: priorities, phases and filtering ideas
(00:09:41) Broadening experiences: ballet, novelty without risk
(00:15:42) Travel temptations vs relationship goals
(00:18:57) Miniadventures and planning around family life
(00:23:03) Designing doable novelty: tracks, cafes and small switches
(00:29:56) Tiny tweaks to shake patterns: routes, movement, mindset
(00:32:38) Routine builds longterm payoffs
(00:36:00) Boostagram Lounge
(00:41:39) Swapping motivation for systems: dating, friends and classes
(00:47:16) Big projects as adventures: the gym dream and obsession
(00:53:03) Finding excitement in small stakes: digital art and curiosity
(00:54:56) Living history: AI race, power and echoes of the space race
(01:02:11) Perspective at the park: Luma Lads, comparison and gratitude
(01:08:09) Wrapup: comments, Discord and socials 

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[00:00:07] Juan Granados:

Welcome back Mere Mortalites. It is the November 16. Oh, yeah. It is. Oh, man. It goes quick. 11/16/2025,   9AM. We go live on   Sundays, 9AM Australia Eastern Standard Time if you wanna join us in the future as well. You got Juan on the side. And Kyrin here. And today, we got a bit of meandering. On an adventure. We're gonna we're gonna be talking meanderings about adventuring. And the title of today's,   episode   was courtesy of Kyrin. I'm assuming this is what   you get from your AI tools type of titles or the Duke card? Maybe the one. This is all made.  

[00:00:39] Kyrin Down:

So Juan Juan suggested one, which was rubbish. Yeah. It was it was pretty plain plain vanilla,  

[00:00:45] Juan Granados:

no Nutella type of title. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was something like Enjoy your fucking life or you're gonna die. That's that's that's that's not my one. But although you probably would assume that that's my one, but that's that's current. That's the actual title of the show. Yeah. And I think mine was something about adventure or finding adventure. Something that I knew. It was like the joys of finding an adventure. Yeah.   Mine was mine was mine was decent.   Karen stepped it up into another land. Mine's fun because it implies that  

[00:01:09] Kyrin Down:

if you don't enjoy your life, you're gonna die. But if you do enjoy your life, you're not gonna die. So  

[00:01:14] Juan Granados:

A plot twist, you will die anyways. Yes. I think so. Look, part of this conversation   to have today, and we will meander through it, is adventure.   In in what aspect you may ask? So   seasons of life, I guess, is something that we've talked to, maybe last two, three months on the podcast.   And, like, it's very   not not substantially   different from   what maybe an external view I might see of us, let's just say. So myself and Karim will go on attend   a run club on Saturday morning. Oh, yeah. We still do all of our various trainings that we like to do. We do our learning. We like to understand what's going on in various   aspects   of AI and crypto and whatnot. Right? And we do the podcast. And   over the many years that hasn't necessarily changed. So some things don't change. And in the aspect of adventure, which maybe is pursuing something   different or something that you find joy in, and that could be travels or anything else. Fine. That doesn't change too much or differs too much. But I guess the the way that I was thinking about it and from a season's perspective, it's type I'm saying this with a full awareness that it's obvious in a way. But   times do change, obviously, when you have a partner in kids, especially when you have kids that are young and   the idea of   adventure   that maybe once upon a time I had   changes quite drastically,   not extremely, but drastically enough that   I would almost say you can   fall into a bit of a trap   to yourself   if you don't   adjust to that expectation   with enough intention. And   honestly, I reckon I found myself   maybe   once a month, once a month over the last two years, dropping into some sort of state like that where I go,   oh,   man, like   I'm yearning for some old adventure by old adventure.  

It kind of means, and, and again, very different to everyone else, but the old adventure might be,   I want to travel like, Asia for a week, like backpacking. That'd be fun. Or I just wanna   I'm being serious here. Like, I wanted to spend, like, straight forty eight hours. No sleeping, like, barely any food, like, some coffee and, like, alcohol. The coco de adventure. No. No. No. No. No. Sorry. Not for fitness, but, like, pursuing a business adventure. Okay. Right. I'll give you a direct life example.   Yesterday, so we talked about the, availability of apps to be able to be put on base and you were talking about you and your brother potentially thinking about that. And I was reading the   103   page meta trend report from Peter Diamand is talking about the 10 big trends coming between 2025 and 2035. Right. And again,   roll back ten years. That would have been the sort of document that I would read. I would have wanted to then, like, sit down   and spend, like, two days nonstop being, like, okay, well, out of these ones, these sounds like the four great business ideas that maybe I could propel and what's the one that I could do something about and try and get to the bottom of should I do it, should I not? And   way well back in the day, I created, and I don't use it that much anymore, but I created a return on investment with risk spreadsheet. Oh, yeah. I haven't used it at all, but I'm reminding myself. I remember this shit. Yep. Yep. But I remind I reminded myself that that's there if it gets past a particular filter point, which now is much harder to get past or like an obstacle point.  

But as I was doing that, so first of all, now nowadays   I was trying to read this 103 page report. Now I was describing to Karen earlier, we were cleaning the house,   but for quite a few hours yesterday,   I then also was just playing around, just playing with my daughter, playing with toys, doing other things. So I didn't get a chance to read this 103 page report, you know, all in one go.   But also I then had, I still had that yearning to, and I call it a venture of exploration of, I wanted to just sit down and use my AI tools and research and figure out what are the opportunities that are here and what could I propel forward? Does it need to be backed by funding? Can I bootstrap it? All those sort of things.   And there was,   it's kind of like this once a month type of event where I go,   ah, like that would have been really fun to go and do. But the reality is there's phases to life. And it's either a not as important when you really look at it from the overall perspective   to,   it's   again, it's just setting the   maybe the same as priority. I guess it's just it's just what you put as priority to do, even if the adventure yearns inside me to go. Yeah. That's what I want to pursue. So I guess I wanted to   check-in with you first. That was a question because I'm mine's obvious. Mine is like very easy transition to say pre kids, you've got kids and   there's going to be like   changes to what adventure and we talk about like, I kind of wanted to ask you as well, what adventure   differs? But I guess to to you,   again, you're someone to to paint the picture of people since school, you did go through a working phase. You then managed to step away from work, pursue things that you enjoy.  

You looked after your mom for a long time. There's lots of, like, in that many, many years.   In that   whole through that phase, would you say that there's been a changing of season or expectations about adventure?   Has it,   declined in any way, shape, or form as things change? For by now, you're   pursuing more so a relationship, a partner, a long life partner. Yeah. Does that change any any somewhat   the   adventure spirit within your what you want to be doing?  

[00:06:44] Kyrin Down:

It's not a word that I connect with a lot. I've got to say,   some people   I'd say you say adventure and they light up about it. I mean, it's it's like, okay, yeah, I kind of get what you mean, but I wouldn't apply it to my life particularly,   even though I have done   what you would think as adventurous things.   The   most notable  

[00:07:05] Juan Granados:

was flying to Latin America and spending up all year traveling around there. Yeah, maybe. Okay, maybe I'll even define I won't even look at the description, but I might have got it up. I haven't got it. What's the definition?  

[00:07:15] Kyrin Down:

So So there's a couple   and the there's one word that I think is most missing from it, which I would have thought would be here was something like an unusual   and exciting or daring experience.   Typically bold, sometimes risky.   And there, you know, may be danger associated with it. And then typically here it's just listing off things like traveling, exploring, skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba diving, river rafting, other extreme sports. I think you can apply it in many things outside of that as well. You know, you would talk about like   the adventure of having kids, for example. That's scary, bold, exciting.  

So,   but most of them are   the most of the definitions are saying   pretty much that undertaking those typically   bold, sometimes risky, exciting.  

[00:08:04] Juan Granados:

What do you think was missing on it?  

[00:08:06] Kyrin Down:

Curious. I would have thought like the the curiosity of or the sorry,   a curiosity and also the unknown. I feel like adventures   require the unknown and that perhaps is the risky part or the,   the bold part. If you're it's not bold if you know what you're getting yourself. Yeah, I was thinking the word like novel, like something where it's like you don't actually know what you're expecting going in. Yeah. Yeah. But so when I think of, you know,   what's an adventure boldly traveling   to the unknown? That's that's typically what I am. I did.   So   I gotta say like   that.  

Like it doesn't hit me like going skydiving, for example, for me,   that almost felt like I guess that's probably the closest thing to adventurous that I have done. And and I guess bungee jumping, which is like, yeah, it's scary and exciting,   and it's a it's a thrill, but that's like a real one off. Just  

[00:09:07] Juan Granados:

Let me explain. Let me let me let me put it in a different description. Let's just say. Mhmm.   If you were if you had your biography   or your story or description of your life,   then maybe the concept of adventure would be   broadening   the experiences,   broadening the things that you've been able to do to say that you   wanted to do, whether it's positive, negative, whatever.   Maybe that's more of the description. I'm coming into it. Yeah.  

[00:09:38] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. In that case, like, I love   broadening experiences for sure. And   I just would never categorize them as an adventure. So for example, I have started doing ballet classes once a week.   Actual ballet classes, not the   barre   type things or barre. I don't know how you pronounce it. I think it's barre. Yeah. That I have been doing at the gym and I have done some one off ballet classes here and there, but not like a kind of a program.   And   the first three weeks were kind of like stressful. And then this fourth one was probably the first one where I was like, Oh, I actually really enjoy this. This is fun.   And actually I could see it becoming a   fitting into a longer portion of my life in that I do a lot of handstand work, which is a lot of upper body and,   the leg work   stuff that I do for my legs that I do at the gym, I don't really enjoy. Like, I don't really enjoy that much running,   Lifting heavy weights like Juan's doing with his squatting and deadlifting.  

Nah, not for me. Like, I don't   do it, but I don't enjoy it. Whereas ballet is you pretty much only working on your legs, your arms. You're not you're not doing shit with your arms.   Other than like, loading, waving around.  

[00:10:51] Juan Granados:

Yeah.  

[00:10:52] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. So so   in that case, like, you know, it's novel. It's exciting.   Is it risky? No.   Other than, you know, you can kind of make a fool of yourself and   in front of the class if you stuff up. But, you know, that's that's nothing.   But it is   certainly like   pushing myself out of the boundaries of what I'm comfortable with and doing something   exciting. And   yeah. So in that case, I would say yes, I definitely am of the experimenting  

[00:11:23] Juan Granados:

and trying new experiences. Yeah. So let me, let me, let me put it, like try to do it in different lenses here so we can land on something because   I probably can't I can't, like, one line it, hit it just yet. So we'll get there eventually. But, I'll give you two examples.   One example is someone I worked with,   years ago. Now this individual, he was maybe six years elder,   and he had got two kids.   One that was   probably 10 now. Right? 10. Tommy ran that. And another one who's, like, four.   Well, this individual   never left Queensland ever. Well, that doesn't have a passport.  

Never left Queensland. But never leaving Queensland. Never left Queensland ever. So, you know, six years older. That's a like, that's pretty, pretty like intense.   Has traveled around Queensland   quite a bit and gone to different places,   but   not going out of that, not particularly   interested in learning per se on various things, apart from sports. Like he was pretty into sports and in particular, a couple of   type of sports, rugby league,   a few others, cricket.   And we talk a lot about that and would be the type of person who'd be passionate to talk about that. But from an outside lens going in,   whenever I used to have conversations, I don't really speak to him anymore. But when I had a lot of conversations with him, it was like the most repetitive conversation   I could have ever mustered and imagined. Right. And it was what's a footy? What's a footy? How to drink? What's a footy? Yeah. I was trying to think like if you haven't traveled outside of Queensland,  

[00:12:54] Kyrin Down:

it's   I'd be surprised if you've traveled really inside of Queensland.  

[00:12:58] Juan Granados:

It doesn't those two don't compute. Yeah, I think it'd been like   he does a lot of walking driving and doing a lot of like various locations. And so   it that to me, whatever other people may say, I mean, this is the weird bit. This is not gonna hit with everyone. But to me, I go, that is a boring life. Well, that is a non adventurous, non interesting.   At the end of your life,   you might look back and that's, like, true regret. It's not mistakes, and there's a difference between mistakes and regret. And that's where I'd be like, wow. There's some regret here that I didn't explore, push, become a more interesting human for yourself, not even for others. It's just for yourself. And I guess the description I'm trying to give is the biographical nature of if you had to write your book, if you wrote   this isn't this, it would just become really repetitive. So that's one example. The other one that I guess I'm trying to get to with this particular one and why I use the word adventure   is we catch up once a week,   weekends, more than that, twice a week, more than that, usually on a Saturday for a bit of a run. And I've found myself in the last couple of weeks. And again, this is why I go to like a phase. So again, if you're a dad or going through a particular journey like this, you might   someone say to me here with a comment or something and tell me this is like very, very, very, you know, similar to what other people would have experienced.  

But for me, when I talk about, oh, well, what have we been up to? It's starting to get to the point of, oh,   I did like, it's the same. It's the same. It's the same. It's the same. Like for us soccer on a Saturday, swimming in the Sunday or work and pursuing things. And within all that minutiae,   yes, there's differences and yes, there's pursuing different things and yes, there's learning different things, which I,   you know, do I have to change my perspective and go like, Oh, I read this 103 page report. And it was like, quite interesting. And is that the new like   differentiator   versus what I remember when we used to talk in the podcast years ago,   where it was like, wow, we went to this event or travel to this location or did this really interesting thing   where now I don't have that. And   I don't think I've yet squared away   for me as someone who does pursue that   whether and like to the example of like this guy that I was explaining,   I go, that doesn't that doesn't bring me joy. Listening to that doesn't bring me joy.  

What can I do in my position   so that the word adventure or the word of exploration   still continues   with now all these new constraints, which is why I was kind of like trying to wonder with   the kind of constraint now that you're looking for a relationship? And that means in particular, putting a lot of effort into talking to females, approaching them, making the effort around that, whether you feel like there's any   constraint   that's come into play with your adventuring or exploring or going out and doing new things that's come around with that. Yeah, there's I guess life responsibilities  

[00:15:45] Kyrin Down:

plays into this.   The   I've got an opportunity   to what people would say is an adventure travel to Southeast Asia next year.   And   the reason for that, my friend Brendan's going is backpacking for at least three months, probably more.   And he's said like, Hey, do you want to come   for a bit? Do you want to,   you know, how long do you want to come for, etcetera, etcetera.   And, you know, from   probably last year on, you know, I've had what   last year I was gone for four to five months ish.   This year was gone for two months.   It could easily have been like, Oh, yeah, I'll come for a couple of months. Sort of deal.  

That's actually not aligning   with what I want to be doing right now, which is, as you mentioned, finding a partner. And the more I'm coming more to the realization that, okay, well,   you're not acting like you're really wanting to do that.   And I see it in my mindset. That'd be the lead up to a big trip. I'd be like, Oh, it's no real point trying to find someone right now because I'm going to be leaving very shortly.   So the   my actions are actually dictating   what's happening there. So there's a   there's a portion of   yeah. Once you're look,   you're the adventures just become different and they have to because if you're an adrenaline junkie, adventure junkie,   those people typically end up dying young because they go crazy and they do base jumping and then it's like, well, base jumping is not enough. I got to do base jumping with wingsuit diving. Okay, that's not enough. I got to do base jumping with wingsuit diving and see how close I can fly to the ground. Sure.  

You know, you can fly pretty close and then you can fly too close and then you die.   So,   I think the   that's slightly different than   adventure junkie and adrenaline junkie.   Adrenaline junkies certainly die adventure junkies.   They probably get closer to then your   Queensland friend. Yeah, that dude's probably gonna live to 120.  

[00:17:53] Juan Granados:

Yeah.  

[00:17:56] Kyrin Down:

But the I think the adventures change for you now. For example, it might be   instead of doing a   random forty eight hours, no sleep,   working on some crazy project,   it might be I'm going to dedicate four hours of a, you know, and even more structured, like four hours of a Wednesday evening. And I'm going to go do a cooking class or something like that. And it's novel. It's exciting.   And   is it risky per se? Not particularly,   I guess. But,   I think that can be like a mini adventure.   And,   you know, you just have to work around things. And there's periods of your life where, you know,   Vienna starts going to school, for example. So you've got   all this time during the day and then perhaps you've gotten into a really good financial position where you don't necessarily need to be working   per se or in a nine to five job as like, Oh, shit, I've got eight hours,   five days a week where I can   do do stuff. And that's where you could then jump into the more like  

[00:19:01] Juan Granados:

I'm going to learn whitewater rafting or something random like that. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. And something Cole put in the chat was saying that enjoying life is such a practice.   And   I guess I see it in the, because I almost there's part of that. I disagree in that   if I, if I rotate back to '24,   '25,   there certainly was part of me that the eventual was, I do wanna explore. I wanna see new things. I want to,   go to a big conference like V con. Right? And   when all those things   happen and you achieve them,   there is this   probably in anything in most humans, although not everyone, but in most anything, we are humans. It's like   you you've achieved all those things. And   like, it has been ticked off. You have done it. And for whatever reason, you just go to the pursuings of, okay, well, what's next? I mean, part of it does fall into the, like, what is enough? Right.  

I like the concept of the enough and talking about it, but at the same time, if you're not pursuing   doing new novel things, I feel like then you're just dying. Like that that example that I gave you of the Queen's like, oh, or someone who just does the same thing in and out year on year. Yeah. I just go, man, that is   type that's sort of a definition of me going like, I'm gonna go crazy with this. Like, I can't do this. I'm generally someone who bounces around pretty quickly anyways.  

[00:20:20] Kyrin Down:

Can can you do it vicariously?   For example,   Vienna going to  

[00:20:25] Juan Granados:

all these new places and stuff. All of that for her is an adventure. So so She's gone going around the blocks and an adventure for her. So this is so this is one of the solutions that come up in my mind,   that I've been thinking about. Actually, it only popped up in my mind yesterday because someone else mentioned it. But,   yes, I guess one of the solutions here is the   re experiencing, at least if if you're a parent, re experiencing things with a child, definitely. Like that that helps you, like, re re explore it. Like, going to Dreamworld or a amusement park. The problem is with that, and it's not it's not like   you get it if you're a parent. Sounds a bit odd if you're not a parent. But   the   effort to do that is   not like not like double of what it would take if you were just going on your own. It's like   magnitudes   higher to do that. And so the   barrier to go on doing anything, you just go,   I'm just I just want to default to the easy. That's that's that's what becomes a problem. As an example,   we live,   there's a cafe that is   roughly twelve minutes from here down down the road. And   one of the adventures,   and again, I'm using adventures here, like, loosely, but it makes sense of, oh, let's do something a little bit differently. Let's just, let's walk down there on a Monday morning and collect that and we can read a book over there and come back. Right. And yes, we might do that multiple times, but let's just say in this instance, listen, I'm saying, and we've done this, but let's just say to do that,   you then have to add   the amount of constraints that that brings   to participate in that adventure. And it's not obviously just   you getting prepared. It's you getting prepared,   getting a little more prepared, making sure that you leave enough   wiggle room of going from here to there so that if it goes slow or they don't walk or you got to carry them or you're carrying something else,   everything, all that comes in that, in that preparation.  

And so   doing it once   cool, novel and awesome and fun. But then when you got to go to the next thing and then there's an extra little barrier of, well, do they have toilets and are they open and they have food just in case we take whatever, do we need to heat up something? If you've got really young kids, you know, can you, is is there a microwave in your biohazard can heat up your milk if you can't give them milk? All of these little things become barriers enough that sometimes you go, fuck, I'm doing it. Like, it's just much easier just to hang at home or go somewhere where it's tried and trusted. And so I can see very easily why you just fall in the very continuous pattern of, well,   you know, you've you've got so much energy to give on a particular day to day to do the new things. It is difficult to just continuously   do that all the time. It's like, I guess it's more of a   I brought up the topic because I don't think I've squared away yet. And as I say, it's like once a month, it'll pop up where   throughout throughout the month, most of the days, I'm like, yep. You get it. I get it. It's like my expectations are set in the reality. I will find energy to go and do certain things. So to the example that I was going to give you was,   there's a running track,   about twenty minutes away from where we live at the moment that's usually open on the weekends. And one of the things was like, you know what? That'd be cool. I haven't actually gone to a running truck to run,   but I could go with my daughter. She's of almost running age now that she does enjoy like running around. That's a, that's an adventure. That's an adventure that I could do. And yes, does take energy, but doable. That's like a very doable thing. So there's things like that where   I can do, but   once you do it once you either have the option of, okay, does it now become like a repetitive thing that you do like in a cadence?  

Or do I then seek out other novel things on a week to week basis and doing that   extra push of making it novel and doing something different and doing something different and doing something different   that   it's tiring quick.   And so I I can't I don't I don't square it up just yet of,   parents probably. So like that's the season of my life that I'm in now is their parents either that have a similar mentality or mindset that I may have and go   now you just have to submit to it or just set yourself to like a once a month or once a quarter and just be realistic with that? Or do you go like, no, like you just have to front up and just do more energy and take away from other places? Yeah, I honestly, I don't think so. I don't. The  

[00:24:43] Kyrin Down:

and what calls to mind to me is one of my goals this month was to   catch up with   more kind of like motivated people. And so I guess an adventure I went on yesterday was   caught up with this guy from the gym Tristan. I might even mention him a lot more on this,   just because I'm making much greater friends with him and kind of one or two of his associated friends in the in the gym. Shout out Wiki.  

[00:25:07] Juan Granados:

Wiki.  

[00:25:09] Kyrin Down:

And,   you know, we went to Bolivar and we just walked around and chatted for two hours. It was great.   It was an adventure of sorts because we actually were, like, just wandering around in suburbs and Yeah. Snowball. You're doing something different. Yep.   Another group,   a couple that I actually wanted to catch up with were,   two in the gym   and Eugenie and PJ, her husband. And they were like real kind of like go getters.   So I was going to send her a message. She she talked about getting a coffee sometime   and she's just in Bali. I was like, Holy shit. Or somewhere like that.   She's got like a five month year old or something. And she didn't mention this before. I   somewhat get the feeling this trip trip was spontaneous.  

And so, you know, we saw last year how much effort it was for you   to go traveling with Vienna. Yeah, to Japan.   And not even just Japan. Sorry. Yes. Last year to Japan, but also this year to Greece. Correct. That's what I was thinking about.   And   so I guess like, I don't know, kind of sounds like you're beating yourself up a little bit about not doing  

[00:26:16] Juan Granados:

too much exciting stuff. And it's like, oh, fuck. Like, it's it is just really hard and it's not even exciting, though. I guess I guess this is the differentiator. That's why I wanted to that's why I wanted to use the word adventure and, and yes, adventures that do come with excitement, but I guess I'm not seeing it in the part of excitement. Like I'm, I'm really not, I guess I'm seeing it more and I see it acutely because when I do my daily journaling, I've done it daily now and I get like a lot of notes.   When I review back the last   three months or four months,   there is maybe   a 70%   overlap of the same thing.  

And you might hear that, and I I can see it, but there is a lot of benefit to that. Right? It's like I met minutrum I met metronome. Yeah.   Metronome. Like the tick. Wake up at 04:30 in the morning. Sure. Do my nights. Do my stretches. Go do my training. Come home. We go to the other gym. I get to hang out with my daughter. Mhmm. I'll do some work. I mean, I was to do podcasts, interviews, blah blah blah blah. Mhmm. No. Yeah. Nightly routine. All working well. Food's going well. So   all there's, like, so much overlap on a day to day basis that is the same.   And all that cadence   does result in good things and everything that is good right now   comes from that that good cadence.  

So fine.   But   I'm not saying that I want to reduce that to zero. However,   it's almost like I'm saying from a daily   perspective,   there's   things that could be introduced that are a little bit more variable that then expand the the breadth of what it is.   So the same point, when I do my notes from a daily day perspective, I then use AI to try and summarize it, summarize it in a more biographical nature. And I'm doing that so that as I'm doing that all the way through the past, when I do like monthly reviews or yearly reviews,   I actually use the biographical   note summary. So it reads more like a book as opposed to looking at directly my, my words to it. And the biographical summary is almost the same on a day to day basis. Now,   obviously I'm not inputting all the stuff that I'm doing on a day to day basis. Sometimes I just forget. Sometimes it just doesn't become relevant.  

So realistically, if I was putting everything that's happening today,   maybe there are some some differences that   get brought up or different sort of changes. But it's a weird it's a weird balance at the moment in this season between   how much   cadence is good to the things that I can do and how much   is   even though I've got all those priorities, should I be doing something a little bit different?   Doesn't have to be daily, just like once a month that makes me go, okay. I am   pursuing new experiences. That's that's the bit that I'm still not like, so,   yeah, they'll do my annual goals, but one of the things that, some of the annual goals have already been squared away and that I was just thinking of doing next year is more public speaking.  

Yep. Wine there's aspects of just don't do it. I've talked about it on the podcast before. Like we've done it with a camera on there's people who listen to us, but public speaking in generality,   part of me goes like, that'd be fun. That'd be entertaining to do. Mhmm. I wouldn't mind doing my conference talking about what fucking who knows who's gonna hire me for that? But   it might be, it'd be fun. It'd be interesting. And I've never done before. Similarly, how years ago I did that acting classes for a while. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Not to pursue anything further, but it was nice to do and and see the the examples and the direct learning of it.   That's a   super clear example of that's like an adventure I'd like to participate in. Yeah. And, yes, I'd make I'd be able to make the effort to do that.  

But I can tell you right now where I sit today,   if I don't put a pretty significant amount of energy planning and doing it, it it plain won't happen. Like it just won't happen. Yeah. I wonder if you can do small tweaks. So,  

[00:29:49] Kyrin Down:

on the drive here, I was going to tell you about this beforehand.   I thought I saw this woman doing a Hitler salute just in the middle of the street and   turns   out she was just walking. But in her walking, she was going like, boo,   boo, boo, boo. And so I'm basically just like raising my hands left and right in a in a one in a one arm in a one arm seesaw style. Yeah. Hitler like just continuous Hitler's. Continue Hitler. And I was like, okay, all right, I guess that's a form of exercise, you know, something different.   And she was just walking   on a route. She was dressed in walking clothes and gym, gym, gym, gym type wear, active wear. And I went, you know, what was coming to mind then is like you could do the very small things like I'm going to run like that or I'm going to run backwards or I'm going to, you know, I'm sure you've got your normal route here every day. I'm going to go down one new street that I've never been down before. And this is very doable because I remember around my place in Langenholme, I grew up there thirty years of my life, and I remember walking with my mum one day and I was like, I'm going to walk somewhere new.  

It took me   a left, a right, a left and a left. And then I was in a completely new place I'd never been before. 200 place, 200 meters from my house. Never been down the street before. And we were just wandering this area. I was like, how have I never been down here? It was insane.   There's a small versions like that, which I guess you could use to alleviate   or not alleviate, do something new, not exciting. And it's and it's a small thing could give you that little hit.   Tristan was   embarking on a, I guess, a new adventure of his life, which is   he created a business and kind of like reached the end of road of what he could do with his contracting. It was related to mining and stuff.  

And he's like, okay, I need to actually, like, level up my skills. And so he went to uni and this was   a big thing for him because he wasn't that good at school.   Turns out he had, you know, just some dyslexia. So that was a large undiagnosed dyslexia. So it was a large part of the reason why school was so hard.   And   he's now   going through   insane amounts of like,   trying to fit time in between actual working and studying,   studying,   bringing up all of these old emotions   about I couldn't do it.   I'm dumb. Like, this is too hard. It's not going to be possible. He's actually doing really well. He's   past two semesters.  

And not just past him, like, did pretty well in them.   And that's like, that's a huge adventure.   So   I don't know. The   I would   the the routine, though,   is where the   good long term stuff gets done. I feel like adventuring is   is good for like a quick hit of excitement and and things but like,   if if you want to be better at your job, if you want more money, if you want to improve your relationships or something like like,  

[00:32:53] Juan Granados:

you got to just be doing the grind. Yeah. It's going to be the consistency. That's also true. Yeah. That's also the   the the opposite end of the coin. Right? That it's like, if you do too much of that, if you pursue that too much and you're   too flamboyant, too broad with it and Yeah. Miss out on all of the reap the benefits that consistency and rhythm brings, and that's also like a bad thing to have. So, you know, an adventure for you could just be  

[00:33:16] Kyrin Down:

joining me and my family on   a Wednesday night in the   when we catch up, it could be   Yeah, I feel this   I feel like you're pretty much like   got everything nailed. It's just, yeah, perhaps just a small lack of novelty or excitement. And,   you know, there's even ways to just do this mentally of,   you know, I'm going   to do my normal routine, but I'm going to try and actively try and alter my thoughts.   I've been doing this a lot recently, which is like whenever   a negative thought or a like I'm not worthy or like you're broken or any of these like things which enter the mind   really try and cut it short,   analyze it. Where did that come from?  

Even this morning,   I noticed   there's   a crypto prices down people.   Is this the end of the world? Is this is this the bear market? Once again, the three thousandth time that  

[00:34:15] Juan Granados:

the Bitcoin would die. And,  

[00:34:18] Kyrin Down:

I noticed this last night where I just opened up YouTube and there was four videos. Bam, bam, bam, bam, maybe three of   just regular sort of stuff that I follow or adjacent where it was like,   this is the not necessarily like this is the end or this is the the finale, but it was,   could even just bring it up and   bring some things.   The big break,   is one of them. There's   big Bitcoin bears in the driver's seat.   What else? Is Bitcoin cooked?   You know? It's cooked.   And I did notice, like, oh, my heart, like, got a little little, like, fluttering. I said my stomach got a little   tense. It's like, oh, shit.  

Am I actually wrong? Am I have I like completely fucked this up?   Is is it actually all done?   In the past, I just feel that and then just kind of continue on   and be like watching stuff,   clean my teeth, etcetera, etcetera. But I've started doing a lot more things recently, which is like, okay, wait, no, stop. There's something,   worth paying attention to. And so   it's still very much there's nothing more routine than cleaning my teeth and watching a video while doing it. But I made that into something novel and new by just simply examining it and going through like a little kind of mental checklist of like, what am I feeling now? Why am I feeling it? What does that mean? And   that's sort of an adventure of sorts into  

[00:35:49] Juan Granados:

even in my own mind, I guess. Yeah, that's all the trick. That's true. It doesn't have to be doesn't have to be adventure in the sense of, you know, throwing yourself off a plane. Yes, correct. Doing that. Correct. There can be gummyos. There's a quick quick pause just to talk about the boost boost. Graham Lounge. We have no boosts that come through. Well, no, we did. We did. Peter did send one through. It doesn't officially come through our list. Half half of it came through. So. You got a comment of it? Yeah. Yeah. So for those  

[00:36:14] Kyrin Down:

who are wondering Boostgram Lounge is where we thank those who are supporting us financially and they typically send through a message attached with that. If you go to me and modelspodcasts.com/support,   you'll find out how to do this and you'll also find out that it's a little bit janky at the moment. And so   slight podcasting two point zero tangent,   the Lightning Network, the way that we've   been doing this the last five years,   sending through SATS, one of the   I guess you'd call it,   is this a protocol or is this a standard? I'm not too sure. There's a difference between the two,   was using KeySend. And   this was like just a   series of instructions, I guess, of like how how to send this through. No one else is doing it other than podcasting two point zero.  

Every other like   wallet that you're doing Bitcoin for,   the Lightning Network. So typically making payments or things like this, they all use something called Ellen Pay. I believe it's the   is the thing. So it's actually going to require some like switching around   fountains doing stuff, Modcasting two point zero is doing stuff. And then moving on to LNP. Yeah, but it's, it's all,   it's all kind of it just requires a transition period. There's a long way of explaining that. Satoshi stream the way that we   get half of our sats in and which,   sends us the messages on Discord. So we see it really easily.  

They were noticing like, oh, we might need to change something and they are unsure of what they actually need to do on their back end. So   Peter sent through a boost and   I'm very much glad that he,   sent a message in Discord because I would have missed it because I didn't realize Satoshi's stream is down right now because even just a day ago it was working because we,   saw something elsewhere.   But he sent a boost in and,   he says,   first of all, one, two, three, seven, six SATs.   So I think it was actually meant to be more,   but it's,   it got caught off.  

So if you bring up the discord, you can see what what failed and what didn't fail. But I'll read out his, his message here.   Oh, yeah. Here it was 50,000 sets. And so a whole bunch of it didn't go through. Wow. Congrats on 500 ish conversations on the bank.   You hit on a lot of intriguing   topics in a genuine way, and I really enjoy listening when I get the chance. Here's to the next 500. Ps, I'm glad to hear you're investing less time in making shows and more time enjoying life, Karan. I think I can already notice a positive change in you. Yes. Thank you, Peter. First of all, thank you for the for the support. Very much appreciate it. 50,000.   That's a big one. That's the fucking huge. It's huge.  



[00:38:55] Juan Granados:

Although  

[00:38:57] Kyrin Down:

Bitcoin's gonna die and   it is broken. So unfortunately, that's 50,000. That's mean nothing. I'm sorry. I think I've noticed at least  

[00:39:06] Juan Granados:

is it like, I think it was three people who have   a 1¢ bid for all 21,000,000 Bitcoins,   like currently placed. Oh, like on an exchange? Yeah, like someone like there's just three, I remember reading those, there's three, there's three people like separately have   a bid to buy all 21,000,000 at one time. So, it's like basically will not get to zero. So, so that's $210  

[00:39:26] Kyrin Down:

that that's just got sitting  

[00:39:28] Juan Granados:

there. For a fucking gimmick. Wow. Now, I'm sure these people are just like that's a lot of ridiculous money anyway. So That's a lot. A lot, but yeah. That is pretty funny.  

[00:39:38] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Yeah. No. Look. I I am actually Have you felt a difference? Yeah. I've  

[00:39:44] Juan Granados:

Has the investment been worthy?  

[00:39:47] Kyrin Down:

I'm getting results in the sense of getting rejections. And that's the first thing that is I guess rejections lead you to the to the wins, right? Yes. Yes. So,   in that sense, yes.   It's   I want to make very,   I want to make sure that I'm doing things that are actually   the grinding. I'm actually kind of different to you in the sense, which is like, I need to be doing more grinding. I need to be doing more routine,   more things that are   the simple everyday steps that will get me where I want to go. I remember in Brazil   it was,   so last year,   last annual goals,   September   ish period   felt I felt like a big change was coming. And that was just because, you know, mom had just passed away six months ago. I'd been traveling for the first time in   four years, four to five years.  

The,   and traveling in like a big way. And   there was like this excitement, this energy, the motivation, like, Fuck me, I'm going to, man, I'm so excited. I can't wait to get back to Australia, going to do all these things, going to change everything up. And   I would if I look back from last October to this one,   I don't feel that much had changed. I,   you know, was   living in the same place.   I   certainly improved in the handstands.   That was probably the one thing that changed   big in a big manner. And that was one of the things I really wanted to work on.   But   in terms of everything else,   I wouldn't say like,   suddenly money wise, I didn't do stuff. I wise, I didn't really improve my skills.  

You know, I   I did little bits and pieces, but I wouldn't say it was anything meaningful or a big   routine change or anything like that.   So at the moment,   trying to   and yeah, I guess we're past the boost to ground lounge now. So, you know, getting into the back into the adventure topic, the   the thing I want to make sure I'm doing now is actually get like consistently   I'm not   using motivation as the   the the thing that's getting me to implement changes, AKA in this case,   like approaching girls, for example, which is just   last year, if I look at it,   no, I wasn't I wasn't doing enough. I was spending   time making the mere Morpheus podcast. I was still doing book reviews, but I wasn't like really trying to make a big change or alter them the format in any way to make it, you know, there was a lot of like routine   that wasn't   getting me to where I wanted to get to   in essence and   spending a lot of time with   friends and people who were   great people, but they weren't also   trying to improve themselves. And that's that's the biggest change now, which is like, all right, go switch around some people in my life to   people who are trying to be more motivated, get after stuff, get stuff done a bit more   introspective and insightful.  

And   it's not adventurous to be necessarily going to the ballet every week, but it is part of the   toolset of like, here's where there's,   like, I'm going to meet girls. It's getting me out of the house and   it's something like, you'd heard me a year ago.   I'd have been like me   traveling to West End every   fucking Thursday evening.   Some ballet twenty twenty minute drive from my house each way.   Not gonna happen. I fuck that. Like, I need to be efficient. I mean, like, what what what else could I structure around to be able to put this as as part of my,   routine?  

And there's still part of me that does that where it's like, all right, well, I'll try and go out Thursday afternoon to the city. So I'm halfway there or to South Main   and then do some stuff there and then go to there. But   this week, no, I just went to and from there.   So   yeah, for me, it's I'd say at this moment, it's like the opposite of adventuring. We're just like, I need to be trying to find the   the routine, the daily stuff that's actually really making a difference and not   feeling like it's making   making a difference or just doing something for the sake of doing it. And probably the biggest one I'd call out here was the book reviews.  

The book reviews were   fun,   enjoyed it. I was learning stuff, but   it was also stopping me from reading   self help books and other types of literature, which I would never really get to   because, you know, I've I've got a mountain of books by my side, my bedside   half more than half three quarters. I'll read   an hour or two's worth and go, like, there's nothing in here for me. Yeah.   Just stuff that I've read before is unhelpful   or   magnetic, magnetic, magnetic charm   from the Queen of Confidence.   And it's like,   yeah, there's there's nothing here for me. Yeah. So, yeah, in in essence, I'm doing slightly the opposite of of the adventure. Yeah. Look, ultimately, and I'll, I'll go back to what I was saying at the beginning, it's all seasons  

[00:45:07] Juan Granados:

because, you know, I'm expecting   that in   fifteen years, maybe last ten years, right? When   kids go into the next part of life. And then as you say, more time becomes available to do other things, or it's just,   it's not just time. It's the ability to do different things becomes obvious, more available. All of a sudden   I do have that and then maybe I'll square and be like, oh, no, no, no, I want to be more disciplined into these areas are more routine and whatever areas. So is there anything you can think of at the moment, which is exciting, but you you like can't or can't do at the moment, I guess,  

[00:45:41] Kyrin Down:

simply due to time constraints?  

[00:45:45] Juan Granados:

Not really. This is like it's a it's not a time   constrained thing. I would say right at this stage, it's more   a almost like energy constrained in that   most of the things outside, like walking down to the cafe or going and exploring something   new there's both ample time and the ability to do it is pretty,   complacent. Like the area that we live in, it's like we're not living in   some rural town where it's hard to go and do those as easy. And there's a little bit of ability of time. It's more   the energy and the mindset of just shifting to that adventurous type mode. That's more of the difficult piece at the moment versus just being in the consistency of what I do at the moment, which, yep, maybe it's just   the one of those swinging things where I'm just in that season of life where it pays off to be consistent. And so then I kind of crave a little bit more of that   adventure.  

And I'm sure   when it comes to the part where maybe there's more energy to do that, I'll then crave the other way. So that's that's pretty,   you know, natural. But that's okay. I would also say because I could think of things where it's, you know,  

[00:46:51] Kyrin Down:

the it's not necessarily just time. It could also be money or space. So, for example, the,   you know, something I imagine for you is actually the the gym,   creating your own gym. And,   I think if you find a space for that, that would pretty much just solve, not solve. I'm not even saying that you've got a problem at the moment, but the idea of having more excitement and stuff. Well, that's an interesting I I tell you really that's actually a really good point because And you should get the Neo robot. Well That's and fucking put it in that gym. How cool would that be? Well, you make a good point because Emil, who have had him on the podcast before,  

[00:47:28] Juan Granados:

he posted yesterday.   And he he yeah. He's growing his company of NGU and all of the series and stuff like that. Massive. He's going like really well with what he's doing. And he posted yesterday and he was a Brisbane based guy. He was like, Hey, he, I believe he's now has a business for like health and wellness. So, ice bath sauna is a whatnot. He himself has like a pretty big gym in his house. That's out in Japilly.   And he posted yesterday that he's creating a private   high end,   for like hardcore sort of training, but it's invite only gym in the inner city of Brisbane. Now I know he lives over that side that I live in as well. So I lit up in like,   goddamn it. This is the shit I want. Like, this is what I want to build. I messaged him. I'm like, dude, you got sent me an invite. Like, I don't, I almost like don't care how much this costs. I want an invite. I think he releases the location   and the name   tomorrow.  

Okay. Now whether I get an invite or not, I don't know. I don't know what the purpose is that he's building and it might be a,   that's what he says but it's more of a like gentler. Yeah, I was gonna say a bit funny if you go and then you drop the weights and they're like nah. Yeah, you know, it's like a little bit more of a like a laid back version of total fusion or something but just has like really high end stuff. Okay, well I don't want that now. So   that aside, when I saw him post that, I went,   that's part of my craving. And I was like, oh, that's what I want to be doing. Like that I want to do part of that. That's that's the energy that I want to be that from. I could see myself being energetic, but again, it's the,   I have been looking for the properties and the type of things to do that and it hasn't been easy to obtain or find.  

And maybe it's it's examples like that where   I'd love to, like, pursue it, but the either the right things haven't come up or I haven't invested enough time into doing it because it's just life. Like, I've got to invest time into being with my daughter and cooking and eating well and training. And this is I I get this is a bit of a whinge in parts,   but if you are someone who's listening to this and you're a similar   go getter of sorts for things, then I think you understand this problem where you do want to be good at your fitness and you do want to be better at your mental capacity, and then you want to be better at your soul and your relations, but you also want to be better at dealing. You want to be better.   It's   there's things that you're not gonna be able to achieve for sure. And I think there's this aspects where there's just so much investment in some aspects of my life right now that the aspects of newness or nobleness is just not there. And part of me goes,   kind of crave that. I kind of crave. And I don't I'm almost leaning on it with well, based on what you said, which I think is a good point, is that right now in the season of life, probably the best I can do about it is   do the more, more delta things that increase the novelty of doing new things.  

And I hate to say it, but it's like   just accepting   there is certain limits that I need to place upon myself or I'm gonna break other priorities of my life. And that in itself will be worse, but I just don't, like, I don't   as much as I've been saying this, it's like, it's hard for me to be like, ah, but I've got to pull back. And you know what you say about the running? You know, like, oh, I'll walk to dude. I can't tell you how many times I've just been like, sometimes being like, oh, well I don't wanna, I'm just gonna walk. Like, what if I just run fricking everywhere? Like I just go run up the mountain and come down and go around. I'll just do it for seven hours.   Obviously that then has detrimental things because I've got other things that I've got to do. As I said on the weekend, I've got responsibilities with my daughter. I've got other stuff that I wanna do, shopping, whatever. And then the next day of training will also probably be ruined because Exactly. But so, like, yes, it will satisfy my I'm gonna do this new thing. It's different. But   I have enough capacity right now to them to, like, think. Yes, but the things that then I create negativity on or negativeness or that don't do is actually more detrimental   than me doing this. And so   it's   I winch, but I also know that it's kind of the beneficial thing to do right now. Yeah. Look, I'm similar in the sense that the  

[00:51:19] Kyrin Down:

what what still takes up the most part of my day is training, training while I'm here. Stan, you know, if I   if if the   amount of whinging that I do have   and mental   thinking of like,   ah,   so hard to dating so hard finding a girl.   If I simply just directed all of that time and all of that effort into finding a girl,   I'd probably do it within like two or three weeks. But it's   that   doing that would then perhaps alleviate this one thing. And then I'd just be like,   the   problem and concern would be like, I'm now not training. I'm now not Yeah, it was just pass it over to the other. Yeah, exactly. So so the,   you know,   problems   compound and you solve one, you're not actually solving like, the problem, probably a bigger problem in your life, which is like, dude, you're, you're thinking is messed up. You're not you're like, you're thinking in a poor way.  

And you see this with people who they   one of my old friends, she   has   her problems just shift. And like, it's no money, Then she gets a job. And then it's now like, no time. And then now it's and it's just this balance, constant triangle of things where it's just going around. It's like, alright, well,   yeah, you gotta gotta fix   your thinking.   And unfortunately, that's that's a really hard thing to do. Patricia in the chat said the world is filled with adventure.   All you have to do is find it. And I'm pretty   on board with that last night. So one of the things I am adventuring and finding exciting is digital art, just learning more about it.  

And,   and I guess that expands to the art world in general. And then in Patek particular, like the investing side of it, because   art itself is,   I wouldn't say like, the art necessarily is what I find intriguing. It's like, why is certain pieces of art or things valuable? What about these stories   is different from any other person? Because all that is subjective and it's all beautiful.   And last night I spent $50 on like,   it's like   a an evolving piece where it's it's a kind of day by day thing over a week   revolves   around themes of mortality, death and like new lives and things like this.  

Very   small upfront cost for me to do that. But it's exciting. I've got like a week's worth of like, oh, what's going to happen the next day? Oh, is this thing happening? And I can participate in that,   etcetera, etcetera. So   and that's something I am actively seeking out. That was something like last night where I was like, oh, oh, shit. This thing's happening tomorrow. And it was from like a linkage of a person from another person who I found interesting. I'm like, Oh, okay, I'm going to look into this. And, you know, I ended up   staying up   an extra half an hour, hour last night that I didn't expect to to to actually   get that done. So yeah, I, I think I agree with that. You've got to kind of lean into to places where it's like there's some excitement or some interest and yeah, you got to lean into it and,  

[00:54:33] Juan Granados:

make it happen. Yeah. I guess it's not you know, that doesn't always have to be, you know, life changingly huge. It can always be just smaller subsets that Yeah. Yeah. That you find. Similarly, on the other end, if you're if you're looking for routine or discipline, it doesn't have to be, you know, the nth degree humongous change. It can just be, like, you know, if you're just starting training, it would just be the walk as opposed to saying we have to go run fucking marathon. So there's there's aspects to that as well. One last thing on adventures. The adventures like a group or as a whole.  

[00:54:59] Kyrin Down:

And   for those who   wonder what it would have been like in the 1960s   to participate in like the space race, what would that time have felt like? You know,   it's the it's The US versus Russia and they're sending rockets up into   and there's like, oh, the Russia just put in Sputnik. They're winning the space race. Oh, the Americans fought back with like the Apollo teams and the Americans won because they got to got to.   But then the Russians, they had the first man in space.   That whole thing is going on right now with the AI. It's literally called the AI race between   US and China. And  

[00:55:36] Juan Granados:

I feel like this will be a time that in thirty years we'll look back and be like, it was the AI race. Like, it was such a huge event. Well, it's not even I'd I'd actually say it's not the AI race as much as what that I think at the front end, it looks like it is through AI race.   And, yes, the end outcome is the algorithms that are building out the AI. But the real race is the power race. Yeah. Yeah. Which is exactly the same as the,  

[00:56:00] Kyrin Down:

the space race. It was it was all about who.   Yeah. And then the question is, all right, is this because   this is fundamental novel technology that will change the world? And if you look at satellites,   and   GPS,   and all the things that came from that, eventually,   it's like, holy shit, that really changed how we interact as humans and the things that we can do.   Was that?   Did they know that this was going to happen? And when I'm saying they I mean, like,   collectively, The US and Russia and the world in general?   Probably not. I think it was probably more about power and going like Troy, we got we did this. We got to be the winners. Yeah. And even though there's no necessarily   big outcome in terms of,   you know,   but did because the Americans land on the moon, did that make them more powerful?  

The if so, that's like the most random fucking way of showing power. It's kind of like the,   well, they call it the potluck. So the pot thing. So those,   I think there's Papua New Guinean tribes where it's like whoever can create   the biggest,   amount of resources and it'd be like food,   sculptures,   architecture,   and then they burn it. And then so whoever does the biggest burning,   they are the most powerful.   It's like, well, that's the most retarded way of   of showing power because, you know, you're also fucks fucking on subsidence here and you're just burning food. Yeah. That doesn't that doesn't seem like the ideal way to do it. So it's it's probably a bit of both of those going on right now with the AI race. All I'm just saying is, like, we're living in history right now. It's it's so easy to forget that. One one of those I think one of the bits that  

[00:57:45] Juan Granados:

and I don't think many will agree with this, but it's just probably a view that I have is that   maybe even the adventure that I'm kind of talking about is that   I'm not obsessive about everything in my life right now. That sounds maybe weird, but   I'm pretty obsessive about   my family life and being present. That's easy to be obsessive about in that. Sure. When I'm doing that, I'm barely caring about anything else. Yep. I'm pretty obsessive when it comes to training and learning. That's all good. But then other things in my life, let's just say my work day to day or other things I get in your backyard. Some of that. I'm not obsessive. Right. It's not obsessive.   And often, like, if you between the space race, obviously, that's pretty clear one. If you wanna see examples, go look at the period between when Larry Ellison was building Oracle, Bill Gates was doing Microsoft, Steve Jobs was doing Apple, even Elon doing PayPal and everything before that as well.  

If you look at not just them, but the people around them, there was some crazy level of obsession to get to what they were doing and producing.   I and and   you gotta be careful. You don't remain decisive because it's also like a ridiculous craziness, but aspects of the obsession of doing something like that is really joyful. And I think maybe that's part of the adventure as well that I'm still on is to get to a place where everything I'm doing, I'm   like maniacally obsessed about in a in a fun way, in a good way. So like you mentioned, if   if I could do a gym that replaced all of my income and   everything else that it would fit in my day to day life, I just know it would be I would be so ridiculously obsessed in comparison to what I do today. Like, not a word. Not not there would be no doubt in my mind if   we could do the same thing with the podcast. It would be the same. There would just be a level of obsession that I would really enjoy getting into where we're constrained right now and doing that because there's reality. We've got other things that we have in life. So maybe it falls upon onto that path. So, you know, could it maybe maybe it's just a case of   not being yet in the perfectly aligned position that I want. Maybe that is where I still, you know, look for maybe. Between the space race and the AI race and maybe   the dot I wouldn't even call the .com race because that was that was purely a it was more of a. I would say it was the personal computer slash the Internet race. Sure. So like, yeah, take the example in Oracle, everyone was saying it was kind of the movement from,   server side to software   on the cloud type of databases. That was a gigantic changeover. Same with the personal computers. Yeah. Chip, Chip Wars. I did a book review  

[01:00:19] Kyrin Down:

not too long ago that   that. Yeah, I guess you could say that. But, you know, there was   let's say let's take like 1976.   Was there a real big race of anything going on? Was there any like huge adventures   in terms of, like, a big collective group? Probably not   sure there for individual people. There is. And right as there is right now,   those people on the cutting edges of, like,   we're going to, like, trying to create AGI or something. Like, I bet you   they're feeling adventurous, like going crazy. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. All this stuff.   So yeah, I think there's periods of life as well where it's just   the ebbs and flows.  

Like you're lulled down, you're like, all right.   Yeah. Look, every time I went from a big adventure,   you know, going going from Europe,   the big one I took in 2018, 2019,   I came back and did like shit all for three to six months,   did nothing. And then I would move house or something, which was a bit more adventurous. So yeah, you can't you can't be in like continuous adventurous mode either.   That's that's true. That's that's probably   more just   a schizophrenic type behavior than anything else. Like you just   is wired up all the time. And,  

[01:01:32] Juan Granados:

you know, maybe that's what Elon Musk's life was like. Oh, again, you know, as much as like, yeah, there's always   some level of downsides and things, you know, people don't see as well. Yeah. They're pursuant of things like that. So,   if anything from the immortals was like, I would say balance is better than to the extreme,   but sometimes when you're going to swing one way or another, I think part of it right now is this is more just a   position in life where I'm sort of saying, yep, once in a month, plumbing will come up and I'll be like,   ah, man, I wish I was pursuing this harder or and I try to find something and then I'll just swing back into the normality of things and go, oh, yeah. But I get to do this, this, this, Everything's fine. Yeah. There's,  

[01:02:12] Kyrin Down:

when I train on Wednesdays,   on,   Raymond Park,   the   Kalistenic Park, go there with Brendan.   And recently   in the afternoons,   a group they're called the Luma Lads.   They come along. Luma Lads. And essentially,   I don't know exactly   the organization   or what it does, but,   there's obviously a bunch of people with mental   illnesses or   things,   certainly like a couple of people with Down syndrome. People look like people who've had serious head injuries  

[01:02:49] Juan Granados:

and. So Khan joins them.   I just I fit right in. He's the worst one of them all.  

[01:02:55] Kyrin Down:

They'll come and play basketball and they'll be kind of like a mix of caregivers or support workers with them at the same time.   And,   you know, yeah, your heart breaks in a certain respects. It's like, oh, man, like, here's people who they like, they can't live what you would call a normal life to a certain respect.   And I wonder if they look at me and be like. Speak the same thing.   No, no.   Well,   the the funny thing thing the funny thing is I'm kinda like, fuck, man. That would be a healthy mindset to have. Because, like, if if they looked at me, this is like me and my element. I've got my shirt off. I'm ripped doing muscle ups.   Look, you know, dominating   the the character. Dominating the park, you know, of the three other people who are there.  

And you might be like, man,   I wish I could play trade places with him. And that's where I would be like, you know what?   I don't think you'd want it. Like, if you've listened to enough of the mere mortals, you've realized, like, not everything is fine in my life. And   it's not   necessarily like   an easy life per se. It's not the hardest life. I would I would also say so. It's it's one of those ones where it's like, you know,   the switching places with other people and being like, oh, I wish I was more adventurous.  

[01:04:12] Juan Granados:

Well, that sort of stuff. Yeah. The human I mean, I think the human condition is a beautiful beast in that it you by default   just see   the upper layer, the crusty layer of perhaps beauty   or significance   that makes you go,   oh, man. Wouldn't it be better to be this? Because look at what they're doing and look at all that. I was that person. Yeah. Which comparison can only go to such a depth. And the reality is that   as mere mortals, there's   all the unique flaws   and constraints   and issues that we all experience.   Let We just don't see. It's like that's it's a very   it's   a very surface level   thought process, I think, for us even to say the adventure   because you don't even then capture as well all of the underlying goodies that you've built up to that. Yeah. Fucking half the population on earth would kill for just to be in that position and would be like, what are you complaining about?  

Like, just enjoy this baseline level that you have because so much of this. So you could get to that. Yeah. Like, you know, you could look at it in that perspective and be like, fucking, just be grateful. What are you even worried about? Like, there's another adventure in your life in comparison to   the statistical percentage of population that get to experience that. Okay. Maybe there's something other to that as well. But I think   each person suffering fills the void that you allow it to beg as well. And I think once a once a month, a day a month, my suffering bubble grows a little bit bigger in that I allow it to make up space and then it just gets taken away. It whisks away. And it's and it's hard. Like,  

[01:05:45] Kyrin Down:

you meditate tons. You can do this. You can do that in   do gratitude,   appreciation training every day. And,  

[01:05:54] Juan Granados:

like, it's it's not a guaranteed fix, you know? That's right. Down syndrome boats come along and said, I wouldn't wanna be you. And you go,  

[01:06:01] Kyrin Down:

shit, what's wrong with me? Man, they look like they are having the time of their lives. That's true. Yeah. And they I think they are. I think they are having   it. That's a snapshot, of course. I'm sure other portions of their life are very hard. There's probably some challenges in their life. If. Yeah, but if you I mean, if you look at   my friend Brendan, who is a support worker,   and he's   helping people who have,   had had like, you know, strokes,   serious brain injuries, things like that.   And some of them he's like.   It is very mentally draining being with them because   the   it's it's kind of like there's a there's a joke. I remember a comedian going like Aussies are always saying things and are not something they're not saying they're good. It's like, Oh, how are you going? Oh, not bad. That's what I like. That's not too sunny.  

Okay, well, fucking what is it then?   So   Brendan's like, man, hanging with some of these people is super exhausting. But,   I remember watching that that show.   What was that dating show for people with Down syndrome?   I know, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it had a pun in the name. It's like falling down in love or, you know, some something. Yeah. Yeah. Something   around that. And you could see they had struggles, but there was a there's like an optimism that they've they're rather happy a lot of the time   with like the childlike innocent curiosity   and   excitement. And   so   we should all we should all lean into the excitement. Try to try and find it in your life. That's right. I see a few down for love. Down for love. Down for love. Down for love. So For love.  



[01:07:47] Juan Granados:

That's that's that's basically our summary for today. Yep. Just be more like down for love. You know? Be be be be be as happy as down syndrome people. Be be be more like current down syndrome. That's right. And you'll have be forever happy.   Olivia AME and World Alliance, thank you very much for tuning in. Thanks for those leaving comments live as well. Yes. Yes. Australia   since Dainersheim.   Peter. All Yes. Six or seven people who will live then. So I appreciate watching as well. Yeah. So, yeah, we wanted to hear more of your comments,  

[01:08:13] Kyrin Down:

your ideas.   Cole was talking about doing more meanderings. Once again, if you would like a particular topic or a loose topic to come up,   hit us up in our Discord, see if some people join in there every now and then. So I don't know where they're coming from. Yeah. I love I love I love Me neither. And they don't they don't They don't generally comment afterwards as well. So I'm not sure where it's coming from. I understand as well because I did that a lot of times. I'll join a Discord and I won't say hi. I'm just there to kind of like check out what's in there. Sure. Yeah. That's true. In any case, yeah, feel free to drop in a comment. Social links all down below. One still got a Stan store link. Correct. Do you want to go and have a look? I haven't put any any euro effort onto it as well.  

[01:08:53] Juan Granados:

Have you watched any of the Gary's videos that came out from Stan? No, I checked out his fiftieth   TikTok thing last year. But you joined the Stan's thing as well, didn't you? I joined it, but I've done even less than. Well, I was going to have. Yeah, I watched most of the videos that come out and honestly,   they're not worth it. Gary, they're not worth it, man. That's they're definitely not worth it. And what the conversations come is   twenty five minutes of Gary being like,   comment on the chat, if you if you've made some money. If you haven't okay. Tell me. Do you like wine? Comment. Yes. Do you like wine? No. See everybody. That's why you go in. Comment. Have you made a post? And, like, yes, I guess there's motivation that comes from it, but an actual practical the juice stop there at all. Sure.  

[01:09:37] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. I think   probably   with him, there's so much content he makes that it's hard to filter out what is the more practical stuff. Probably things like the date is got day trading attention in the book. But I think there's a free version of that as well, which is that's more like   do this right now, you know, 50 types of posts. These are the type of posts you want to be focusing on,   that sort of stuff. He I mean, he does give practical stuff. Like every now and then he's like, make a carousel,   make two of them images and one of a video on Instagram  

[01:10:09] Juan Granados:

immediately after this. Like, okay. Yeah, there is definitely some practical stuff. I will. There's some direct thoughts. Those have not been. Yeah. Sure.   All right. New Mortal Alliance, thank you very much. Be well wherever you are in the world. Bye now. Go now. Good.