11 August 2022
Coding Woes: I Dislike Problem Solving But Still Want To Learn A Programming Language
Maybe if I learn Python I can automate our entire podcast to fix Juan getting names wrong constantly?
In Episode #323 of 'Meanderings' Juan and I discuss: a sneak peak into my 2023 goals, why problem solving can be extremely frustrating, reasons for learning a programming language, Juan's (somewhat inaccurate) description of a chimp doco he saw, whether we would go out and live with animals in the wild, being precise with your words when learning new ones from books, my recent chat with Pete Smissen about rare house plants and an emphasis to share our awesome chapter art!
As always, we hope you enjoy. Mere Mortals out!
Timeline:
(0:00) - Parking would be annoying
(0:38) - I don't like certain types of problem solving
(5:13) - Coding peculiarities
(8:24) - Why do I want to code?
(12:37) - Lucy The Human Chimp documentary
(19:05) - Cave life & savage chimpanzees
(22:37) - Lucy again
(23:58) - Etymology & slang
(28:17) - Duolingo & new words
(31:03) - Monetising your hobbies right away
(36:49) - Chilly out, good thing we do chapter art
(40:07) - Juan, Jane and Janis
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Yeah, welcome everyone to a mere
mortals meandering session. It
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is Kyrin here, Juan on
the other side. And a meandering
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session is where we the mere
mortals dive deep into some
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particular topics that we're
enjoying. It's not a really
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structured one. There is no set
program for today we are out in
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the park as we usually are,
although not out in Southbank,
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because it was super busy today,
and there was gonna be a game
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there was a there was a rugby
game parking would have been a
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nightmare. It's already getting
late. So I think we made a good
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choice to come here. And we're
gonna start off with my my first
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and big one. And big one, the
big one is a good old begun and
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then I've had a realization. And
my realization was whilst I was
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doing a sneak peek into some of
my long term goals that are
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coming up for further planning,
I'm sort of like, Alright, I'm
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thinking, you really kind of
neither of you are just dialing
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them down. Some of them I
haven't really set but there's a
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couple that I'm sneaking
peeking. So here's a little
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sneak peek for you. And I was
contemplating learning some
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coding, in particular. So I've
never done any before. I can't
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say it's never particularly
interest me. But that's not
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it's, it's more I think that's
kind of like a happenstance
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thing. You know, handstands
never particularly interest me,
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but now they do. And yeah, so So
there's definitely room for
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hobbies and things that I find
cool. They're still make their
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way into my life. And I think
this one could be. But as I was
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doing it, I was thinking like,
how what, what should be the
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goal that I should be set for
the next year? Should I try and
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complete a project of some
short, should I finish a course
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should I say I want to be able
to manually edit an RSS feed. So
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many options, so many different
things. And I was contemplating
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all of this, I realized, like,
you know what, I actually don't
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like problem solving. Which is
kind of funny thing for an
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engineer to be saying, I'll,
I'll dial it down a bit more,
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which was, I don't like
uncertain problems. And what
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I've noticed with
troubleshooting with, especially
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these kinds of software problems
where you have to, you know, you
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had one not too long ago, where
what was it like your phone was?
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You weren't able to connect your
phone to your TV, something like
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that? What was that? Yeah, it
was me the trouble was me
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connecting my Wi Fi and through
the Google Home to be able to
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stream Netflix or anything else
from foreign to TV. Yeah.
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So someone words, there's no,
there's no technical thing, it's
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you've all all you've got to do
is somehow get this thing to
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say, Yes, this is this should
connect this way. And those
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sorts of problems. I hate them.
I hate them with a passion.
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They, and it's I feel it's
because they're kind of
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uncertain, there's no, there's
no guarantee you're gonna get
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your pay off of this thing or
fix. Or, you know, maybe the
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solution is you have to go out
and buy a whole new thing. Or it
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can't, it can't just be solved
with what you have on hand. I
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really hate that. And it's it's
kind of I've had this for every
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time that I've had to deal with
switching of phone provider or
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something like that, or, you
know, figuring out why this file
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won't export video. So for the
Premiere Pro, for example, when
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it updates, and then I have to
try and figure out okay, why is
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it now? Not working? Not? Yeah,
why are we failing completely
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each time? And look, there's,
you could sort of say some of
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the things with some other
things, which I do like, like
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math problems, but I feel it's
because there's a definite
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solution. Someone's given me a
math problem in high school.
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There's no, it's not like
there's not going to be an
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answer. There's a single defined
answer, and you're going to get
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your pay off. And I feel that's
the I feel that's the
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difference, which is that I just
really just like uncertain
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problems, or ones where I know
there's no optimal solution. So
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in mining, when I was doing,
like, what's the logistics and
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things like that? Yes, there's
no, I'm never going to solve it.
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It's always going to be trade
offs. And you know, these trade
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offs will be kind of optimize
these will be slightly down, you
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can get this coal, which is a
higher quality, but you'll
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sacrifice maybe some efficiency
for one or the other machines.
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And you know, this will have
implications down the line.
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That's okay. I can deal with
that. It's that trying to solve
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a problem. You're not sure if
it's going to be able to work
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and I find those ones it's
impossible to gauge how much
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time is there's going to be
solved in an hour or is it going
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to take 10 hours? Yeah, okay, I
hate that shit. I hate it so
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much. So I'm gonna have to
definitely do a lot more
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thinking about what goal I want
to set because I don't want to
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set one whereas one where I'm
finding myself doing these kinds
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of problems, which honestly,
they just make me anxious and
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jittery. I just do not enjoy
them, I find them super
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unpleasant.
Yeah, I think with with coding
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as well, because I, myself don't
know how to code either I can
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read code and certain languages,
I could I can read JavaScript, I
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can read C sharp, I can read
Python, okay, and understand
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what's going on. I couldn't run,
I don't know all the variables
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and whatnot. Gotcha. But one of
the one of the things I do know
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about coding is the movement
between a bad coder or beginner
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coder to being good at coding,
maybe understanding coding is
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not in itself, like the type of
what the code does. So let's
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just take a really simple
instance here and say, HTML, and
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you're going to have like a bug
loose, crawling up my leg, good.
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It was time box. Or you might be
able to create that box in 100
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lines, or make a really good
coder mobility more elegantly
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structured, so it only needs two
lines, three lines, but you're
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right, it takes. Or you could
have it in all these different
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permutations, you could build it
out of corners, you could build
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it in so many different ways. So
I get what you're saying where
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it's, you could have almost
endless amounts of okay, how
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exactly is it that I'm supposed
to be doing something? I tell
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you one thing, there's no real
answer to it. I do think that
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structuring a goal, especially
for coding to be like, Okay, I
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want to learn how to build a web
page all I want to learn how to
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connect ourselves. Yeah,
something about it. That strikes
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me as like, you're not you're
not gonna have a fun time.
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I feel like the creation aspect.
I actually wouldn't mind too
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much the building of whether
it's done this way, in this way,
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and one of them's more elegant.
I feel like that's okay. It
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would be if I building something
it was working before, and then
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suddenly, it stops working. I
fixed what I think was meant to
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be fixed. And then it's now that
that wasn't actually it. It's,
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you know, those problems where
nothing has changed on your
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part. And it's just totally on
some hidden things somewhere,
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which has now changed. And, and
it's, you know, those variables,
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like, why is my car stopped
working now?
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Yeah, look, I will say, I will
say, and I'll, if you do decide
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to go on the path of wanting to
learn coding, I would pull heed
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you on the side of trying to do
like the simplest thing
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possible. Because what you said
earlier around where you don't
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know where something's going to
take an hour or 10 hours. And
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the wording of it is debugging,
obviously, in a lot of the
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coding language, I guess you'd
say it, but you can debug it in
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any type of code that you write.
And that process literally could
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be like, you might find out the
issue in a minute. And you might
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find the issue in like, three
weeks, you have no idea. And
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obviously, the more of a
beginner you are, the more
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you'll just have absolutely no
clue of what in the world is
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going on. So you know, the
traditional thing that you will
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learn how to write a code is
hello world, on a page, that
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might be the easiest things. And
all the different types of
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languages, like scripts will
have different ways to do it.
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Sure, fine. But as soon as you
start veering away from like,
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the very, very, like, trodden
path of creation, you all of a
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sudden, just in this wild
country, where it's like, okay,
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if I broke, there's, it's like,
how do I not break in? And
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you'll have to try and find
somebody who's done it somewhere
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else, and never haven't like,
good luck. You're debugging
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yourself as much as you can with
what you know of it. Yeah. What
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do you think you want to get out
of it? I think
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probably it would be, actually,
funnily enough, what I was just
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going to mention was automating
the boring stuff. So there's a
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book, I'm pretty sure called
automating the boring stuff,
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which is kind of, I believe,
it's kind of, you know, coding
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101 type thing, or you can,
it's, I'm not sure it's specific
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to a language, it's more of a
mindset or framework, I need to
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research it a bit more. But
essentially, that would be it
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would be being able to perhaps,
create my own little programs
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for Chapter art, for example, I
spent a little bit of time
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messing around with that. And it
is a manual process copied and
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paste from this thing copied and
pasted over here. Yeah,
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I would say to you that maybe
it's maybe something like that.
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But I know for a fact that you
can create scripts to run on
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your computer, right to do
whatever, yep, open this tab,
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open this because maybe you
could make it a goal of like,
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you know, automate three
processes, which are step step,
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type of deal, maybe it could be
like, run the script, and this
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will automatically upload select
the right file, but it's got the
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right naming structure, or that
brand will just post it. So
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you're not even doing that.
You'd click it and you go away.
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That might be able to save you
half an hour of time or
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whatever, maybe.
Yeah, yeah. So so either that or
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just being able to understand
how to use other people's ones
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because I know other people have
created similar things. But it's
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one of the hiring new use it for
modifying it slightly for
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myself, even just understanding
the basics of you know how to
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set up a new server how To
install, like I somehow
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installed cast upon, I still
have no idea how I really
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managed to get that done.
Because I there was a lot of
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help of other people. Yeah, that
it would be nice where I could
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just be at a competent level
being okay. You know, maybe
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there's another self hosting
solution. Maybe there's I don't
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Yeah, once again, need to think
about it more, but it was more
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me just realizing like, Okay, I
gotta, I gotta be real careful
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with this one, because I don't
want to get like off the deep
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end quick. Yeah. Which, which is
kind of me forcing myself to do
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things which which I dislike in
a way. It's kind of like
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reflecting frustration. Yeah,
I've done incorrectly. It's kind
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of like the book goals. You
know, I've done it twice. Now
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I've kind of set myself a goal
of reading X amount of books or
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reading a certain type of book
philosophy books for this last
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year, which it's been okay. But
it's kind of also been like, I
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don't particularly want to be
reading this one right now. I
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don't. There's, there's times
for forcing yourself to do
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things, which you don't want to
do. Like, we'll talk about that
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in the procrastination one,
check out that episode from last
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week. But there's also other
times where man had, I don't
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need to, I don't need to do
there's anyone listening who has
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probably people who are
listening grew up, either
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probably better coders all are
coders because I'm a man,
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especially in the valley valleys
by like, and yeah,
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basic, please send in a
histogram or a message or
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contact, however, but maybe some
basic things that you found
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useful a resources and what is
as a kind of sustainable thing
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to set as a goal over a year? I
think that would be a nice,
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yeah, I'm wondering whether it's
comparable to language learning,
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you know, do is it like one of
those things? Because 15 hours a
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month, and in that time, I'll
code or do these things? Yeah, I
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don't know. I genuinely don't
know, if it's that worth. Just,
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like, just start doing things
inside like googling it and
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seeing like, Okay, I need to do
this. Okay. I think often what I
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hear the way that people learn
to vote is like, okay, Google is
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like, here's this task to do. Go
do it and figure it out along
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the way. And here's the steps
and etc. Like by practice as
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opposed to really reading it,
like I read what it means to use
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this code or that code or this
code or the variable ablow, I'd
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like to know just start, go by
practice. Go from there.
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Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Okay. Have you put them on? How
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to actually from a little while
ago, I saw a documentary. Yes.
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documentaries and ABC. Do you
know about Jane and the
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chimpanzees? Do you know just a
general Yeah. Do you know
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there's one I know she is Jane
Goodall. So that's what I
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thought this was Jane Goodall,
right, because this story is
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crazy. It's batshit. Crazy. It's
not Jane Goodall. But there's
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another lady called Jane. Right.
And it was about chimpanzees.
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Now what that was like, It's my
dad recommended you saying her
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name was No, no, no, no. So this
is a story about a lady called
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Jane kind of her last name with
chimpanzees. But it's not the
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Jane Goodall. It's not like the
famous that people know about.
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That's right. Because as far as
I do, because my dad was like,
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you've got to watch the
documentary was pretty crazy.
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It's pretty bananas. What's the
point? If Could you do a quick
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little Google while I find it?
It's type in ABC, Jane,
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chimpanzees, you'll find it. And
it's really available. So if
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anyone wants to go watch it,
obviously, go watch it. I would
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recommend it actually. It's
pretty instinct, but I'll give
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you a little highlight of it.
And look, if you're gonna go
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watch anything. I'm gonna spoil
it come back spoil for you
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folks. Probably Fast forward two
minutes. But in all intents and
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purposes, I was okay. I'll sit
down I'll watch is about an hour
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and the first half. It's very
casual, right. It's just wasn't
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expected. unison's, they rode,
and I'm going to use right. But
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back in whatever, like 7080s,
something around the time, they
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decided to this couple to get a
chimpanzee, which was, like just
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born and take them into their
family, in essence, taking them
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as like raising as a normal
human, just to see the nurture
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versus nature debate that was
happening around the time. And
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so they essentially raised until
he was a teenager, to the point
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that's how to find like, Okay,
this chimpanzee seems to be
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doing chimpanzee stuff and
assigning to attack people, even
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though they were raising it as
much as they could as a human
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right now. Really fast forward.
As it came through this person
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that they hired, named Jane was
like, hey, we need an assistant
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to help like feed her clean her
sometimes she's on the cage.
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That's what she needs to do.
They got to a point this family
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like, oh, look, we can't keep
her around. It's really bad. And
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there is the other time I don't
know if it still exists, or does
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still exist. There are like a
chimpanzee rehabilitation
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centers in Africa, where they'll
try to get them back into the
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wild, right? So it took them
over there. This particular
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champion C, which was called
Lucy was called Lucy wasn't like
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going well at all didn't know
didn't want to eat like right No
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food, didn't want to like go
into normal chimpanzee society
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to this chick called Jane who
basically like fallen in love
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and like a deep relationship,
not of like sexual, but have I
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really care for this animal for
the human almost like this
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entity, this person for her. So
she was like, I'm gonna stay
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here to make sure that she can
transcend into being part of the
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chimpanzees as large. So yeah,
that's what we're about halfway
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through, it was in seeming
pretty normal, I guess at this
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point, like rational. And the
person Jane is actually in this
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documentary talking about all of
the experience telling about
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what happened. So she's like,
actually tell retelling the
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story. And they've got a bit of
a flashback on what was
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happening. And all of a sudden,
it's like, she's in Africa for
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two weeks. And then it's like,
she's in Africa for six weeks.
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And then like, okay, she's now
there for a month, and then she
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delays she's like, Okay,
I've got it here on the
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calendar, I've got to go back
home, because I'm sorry to run
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out of money. And basically only
It's like eating random things
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people are giving her. And
there's something in that
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particular point, as well as the
next phase of this chimpanzees
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being led into the wild was put
them into a an island, basically
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an island surrounded by water,
so there wouldn't be too much
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predators, but there was some
predators there. So they could
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start learning to eat food.
What'd she do, she taught to go
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over the, with the chimpanzees.
And the story short, she stayed
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there for six years. With this
chimpanzees are basically just
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lived in a cage. And like she
was talking about how, at the
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very beginning, they would sleep
like right on top, it was like
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the chimpanzee losing a few
other chimpanzees. And they
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would sleep on top of her cage
and shit on her and piss all
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like night, because I was so
scared. And she just also got to
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a point where she was seeing
like letters coming through from
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the outside world, like every
month be like, I hope you're
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okay. And she would write back,
but you have suddenly become so
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disconnected to humanity. She
just stopped altogether doing
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it. And so she was saying, like,
roughly for three years, she
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just lived with the chimpanzees,
and would just eat random food
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with them. And I'm imagining
shelter took a boat, like back
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and forth between the river to
like, just go see others. I
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can't remember exactly why, but
like six years, you're like,
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okay, oh, she got attacked by
one of the male chimpanzees who,
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like they would have seen this
lady as like the lead, I guess.
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And so the MailChimp as he was
like, Ah, I'm going to be a
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lead. So she got like, attacked
by this chimpanzee. He realized,
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okay, I probably should leave.
And so she reintroduce herself
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back into humanity. And she was
in Bali chair like a premonition
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of some kind and it was losing
or killed. The chimpanzee got
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killed, like, strewn around
parts everywhere. Who knows what
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it's probably a dumpster, but
he's killed or something like
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that, to that effect. And at
that point, I'm like, now this
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is like, is wild. Like one
person like goes and like lives
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for six years, which had been
the like, obviously, she really
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loved her. And she was talking
about how Pease and how good it
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felt. And you know, she didn't
miss humanity at all, anything
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like that. And then the rest of
it, like it just quickly goes,
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Oh, yes. And she returned back
to the island. And she's lived
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like, among the chimpanzees and
is like the leader of
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rehabilitation of chimpanzees
since then, and stillness today.
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So she like basically left when
she was like, 26 years old and
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never came back home. But I was
like, Man, that is some that is
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some very just crazy, very
rationality. But she, because
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she was in the documentary
telling all this, and she seemed
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so rational. So she was like,
very, it seemed very normal,
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dodgy dodgy. I was like, that's
what I did. I feels fine. I did
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it. Because I really cared for I
wanted to make sure. And I could
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see it in some parts. Like I
could relate in some part of me
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like, Okay, if I really, really
cared about something so much. I
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could imagine doing this. But
then I did have to stop myself,
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right. It's kind of the end. And
I was like, you know, when you
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when people might reflect back
and go, you don't want 200 years
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ago, I would have helped those
black people out of the minds. I
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want to try to free them or
whatever, bullshit, I would not
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have. There's no way that many
people wouldn't, wouldn't be
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doing that. But that's what most
people were doing, you know,
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they were just going along with
what normal society would be
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telling them to do. So I think
even in that moment, I'd be
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like, No, I'm not staying
staying around for six years on
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a deserted island to look after
the thing and then come back and
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do it forever. So I just I got
to decide for myself, I'm not
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that sort of person. I was gonna
ask you the question. Do you
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think there could be any animal
that you could fall so so in
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love to make you absolutely up
and take leave and never return
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again and just live live away
from humanity when
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I'm not the biggest animal
person? Anyway,
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so moving away from humanity,
entice you into something that
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makes you feel like oh, that's,
I think I've told you about my
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mini fantasy I've had before
where the caves? Yeah, I go out
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into you know, an Uluru type
rock. So big rock for those who
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Ayers Rock for maybe the non
Australians. Just like a
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gigantic clay fucking huge rock
and taking a bunch of dynamite
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out there and just like blowing
caves and creating sculptures
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and then dying in there. And
then people 100 years later,
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200,000 years later being like,
Whoa, look at all this crazy
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like that. That'd be kind of
cool, like one of those hidden
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mysteries but
By the way, side side thing I
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did find in boozer booking for
Tasmania, that you can book a
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cave in New South Wales, I
believe it is, I think it's like
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$1,400 a night. And it's
literally a cave that they've
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just, I'm assuming it just
existed in already this shape
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and they've carved out a bit
more of it and turned it into a
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hotel that you can say like a
room or something like that. So
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it does look pretty cool. Looks
very expensive. So maybe they go
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live out your, your fantasy of
living in a cave of some form
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living in some rocks.
No, no, none of that appeals to
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me. Animals. I keep them at
arm's length. I'm surprised she
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didn't get ripped to pieces
earlier by while I just getting
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attacked in general by
chimpanzees of I don't know,
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this is more just like the Joe
Rogan stuff I've heard about it
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from for years where he's, you
know, he will fucking loves the
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gym. So just the dude but just,
wow, there's chimps. And they
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are when you when you see them,
they are bloody strong, you
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know, just biceps bolje.
Well, and the thing is, there
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was actually a speaking of
Dragon, I was listening to it
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just in the drive here. And he
was talking about how, let's
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say, I'm Michael Jordan, you
like he's really, really good.
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But you kind of have to have a
little bit of a mental, like
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deficiency, like you have to
have something a little bit
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mentally wrong with you to just
want to win at all costs. Like
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no matter what, and be like a
dickhead to people just be what
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others might be like, Oh, that's
a little bit too much. But it's
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like, but you have to sometimes
do that will be like that to be
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so good. They give me an example
of like, Tiger Woods, and the
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fact that he was you know, his
dad pushed him super hard when
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he was one year old and partying
all the time and to become like
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really, really great. And of
course, he became some people
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say, you know, the greatest
golfer there is or maybe others
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would say, at least in top 10
Plus or whatever. But you know
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that I also came at the extreme
costs of all these other
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deficiencies issues now with
like, his legs, his hips, like
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all sort of stuff. I was like,
Yeah, you kind of have to be
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able to get to those extremes.
It's I guess, you have to take
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like, there's going to be all
these other deficiencies that
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come to it. I guess what it also
sparked in my mind, I was like,
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Okay, this Jain person. He just
strikes me as if she had put her
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that level of tenacity to
something else. I feel like she
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would have could have similarly
achieved like something
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incredible for the world like
something insane. Like maybe she
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was like so tenacious, and who
knows why just for Camelia why
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not? What, Amelia what's the
lady's name, the one that flew
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the first time over Amelia
Earnhardt Earnhardt. Like
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Danny's like, like that level,
like so tenacious that you like
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just accomplish all these crazy
things. But she just decided to
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put all her tenacity to look
after Scott Adecco. I actually
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couldn't find her name. All I
found was Jane Goodall. It'll
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just be up here on your screen
people. And so that's
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what I remember was like Lucy,
that's the name of the
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chimpanzee. So if you want to
actually work, go watch that.
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It's quite nice. I give that
gave away the whole, complete
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sorry, there's nothing really
like there's nothing else that
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you will learn apart from how it
is to live with a chimpanzee
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like day to day.
Yeah. You know, even the story
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itself actually doesn't interest
me that much. So I'm pretty sure
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I've heard versions of this
where people do it with dogs,
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and with other animals, which
are kind of dangerous, but not
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dangerous enough to just
completely mess them up. That
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was, yeah, though. People love
animals. And some people love
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them.
We're not We're not huge animal
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00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:28,740
lovers enough. We might get
like, heaps of hate histograms
411
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:32,250
coming in from here from lizards
being like, I'll do that to my
412
00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:35,700
cat. You know, it's my cat was
like whatever not to like, learn
413
00:23:32,250 --> 00:23:38,670
to go go back to a wild cat.
Yeah, I'll say with my cat out
414
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,789
in the wild, I'll tell you. If
you're
415
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:41,640
if you're doing that you're
probably not going to need much
416
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,490
material possessions. So just
convert it all to Bitcoin. And
417
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:51,420
look, we'll look after for you.
In 10 years time, we'll get you
418
00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:52,980
on the podcast, we can talk
about your experience in
419
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:56,250
Seattle. Yeah, we'll
film the documentary. Yeah.
420
00:23:54,150 --> 00:24:00,420
Yeah, I
actually was, this actually goes
421
00:23:56,250 --> 00:24:02,640
to, I guess, something that I'd
forgotten about. And we used to
422
00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:05,789
do quite a lot, but we don't do
as much, but just being precise
423
00:24:02,670 --> 00:24:09,690
with the words and even like
language. And so I heard, I
424
00:24:05,789 --> 00:24:15,089
heard it'd be said on a podcast
etymology, like the etymology of
425
00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:17,339
x a word. And I was like, Oh, I
like I like the sound of
426
00:24:15,089 --> 00:24:21,779
etymology. That's, that's quite
cool. And in my mind, I was
427
00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:24,569
going to, I kind of, I kind of
thought I knew what it meant,
428
00:24:21,779 --> 00:24:27,480
but not exactly what it meant.
In my mind. I was like, oh, you
429
00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:31,859
know, I could be saying things
like, Oh, we could find the
430
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:35,339
etymology of, of humans. I was
using it as a concept. As an
431
00:24:31,859 --> 00:24:36,150
etymology. You can look up the
word and
432
00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:40,140
by that you meant what? Like,
what what did you think if you
433
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:42,509
meant etymology of humans, what
what did you think
434
00:24:42,539 --> 00:24:45,569
I meant is like, all that's
fine, like, the root beginning
435
00:24:45,569 --> 00:24:49,319
of the concept of the idea,
something to that regard, but
436
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:53,160
it's in specifically the word
it's the word the actual, like,
437
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:56,519
human, where that came from, I
guess. So the etymology of the
438
00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,390
actual word itself. So I was
like, Oh, okay. I would have
439
00:25:00,390 --> 00:25:02,940
gotten that wrong. I would have
been like the wrong terminology
440
00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:06,420
of of that particular word. I
guess I just came to the
441
00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:09,150
realization to be like, ah,
yeah, okay, there's probably
442
00:25:09,779 --> 00:25:13,319
other uses of words or language
that I've probably gotten sloppy
443
00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:16,680
with that I'm using it or I'm
right. Especially reading it
444
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,970
because in obstacles away by
Ryan Holiday, the man if I could
445
00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:24,660
put so much just extra words,
just for extra words, sake, you
446
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:26,369
know what you put like,
something that you've never
447
00:25:26,369 --> 00:25:28,650
heard before you I'd be like,
Dude, why even use it? I'm sure
448
00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:31,230
you can use it any other
different way, but he just does.
449
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:35,819
And I'm not going actively to
find out exactly what it means.
450
00:25:36,509 --> 00:25:39,960
I'm just reading and go, Okay. I
kind of know what he is saying
451
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,680
here. Like, I get the concept of
the sentence. I'm assuming this
452
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,269
means this. And so I won't go
and like actually check it out.
453
00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:51,509
Where I probably should, because
I'll go and like resave that
454
00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,400
word, it'd be like, Oh,
actually, no, that doesn't mean
455
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,539
that it actually means
this specifically, when they do
456
00:25:54,119 --> 00:26:03,599
that if it appears two or three
times. I'm also reading a book.
457
00:25:57,539 --> 00:26:05,730
Somebody had always done this by
Ernesto savato. And
458
00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:09,450
so burrito YouTubers, Sabra. So
Bray,
459
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,650
yep. So about heroes and terms,
basically, an old drive so I'm
460
00:26:13,950 --> 00:26:17,730
not exactly sure how the that
word gets translated. You get
461
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:24,930
the rough picture. And it's
Argentinian Spanish. And they
462
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,410
Yeah, I mean, every country has
its its slang. And it just
463
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:30,930
depends on how much the author
particularly wants to use that
464
00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:37,230
slang. But, I mean, Argentinian
slang is the only one I've heard
465
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:40,799
where they've got a name for
Argentinian tinny and slang,
466
00:26:40,829 --> 00:26:44,460
which is lymphatic. So I think
they've got, you know, their
467
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:49,470
slang level might be even at a
better game than actually no,
468
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:53,549
sorry, I believe Ching Gardo as
well as maybe the sort of like
469
00:26:53,549 --> 00:26:56,970
Mexican slang, so, but I've
never heard a word for Colombian
470
00:26:56,970 --> 00:27:01,950
slang. All I'd say is just like,
it's Colombian. So there's a
471
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:06,690
fair few words that he's thrown
around there, which I just go. I
472
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:11,099
even tried to research them as
hard because you have to know
473
00:27:11,099 --> 00:27:14,369
exactly where to be looking on
Google or some of these
474
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,240
dictionaries, because it's very,
very specific. Very specific. So
475
00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:21,900
yeah, yeah. I mean, just depends
if you want to be a bit more
476
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:26,130
well read, if you want to, but I
think well read as opposed to
477
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:30,930
you need to expand your Spanish.
I'll bring that up in a minute.
478
00:27:31,529 --> 00:27:35,369
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was more
just getting the I'm going to
479
00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:37,769
read you like, you're right.
Like, I'm not going to be
480
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,700
reusing every single one of
those words that I'm learning
481
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:44,490
and how hard it's got one. I'm
not learning them like but flat
482
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:46,890
out I'm not learning number two.
There's one of them that I wish
483
00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:49,589
I could recall one of them cuz I
was just like, Dude, why even
484
00:27:49,589 --> 00:27:52,440
uses word you could use? It's
almost like, like epistemology.
485
00:27:52,529 --> 00:27:55,829
Well, it's like when you bring
back a, like an 1800s word. And
486
00:27:55,829 --> 00:28:01,289
it's like, no, like, why?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
487
00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:04,740
Well, there's there's a whole
bunch of words which I, I've,
488
00:28:01,289 --> 00:28:08,849
I've heard Sam Harris say, for
example, and I, yeah, I kind of
489
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:14,819
know it. But if I actually
wanted to use epistemology, it
490
00:28:08,849 --> 00:28:18,660
would be a get it kind of right,
but not not exactly right. Yeah.
491
00:28:14,819 --> 00:28:22,650
Ya know, what I wanted to bring
up was a celebration. One is now
492
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:25,799
30 Is joined the awesome 30
Club, such as, you know,
493
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:29,640
distinguished people, such as
myself, and all 30 year olds. I
494
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:33,720
know that in every other third
of Europe in the UN, every other
495
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:37,559
person who will be 30 But yeah,
yeah, we went to a kind of like
496
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:41,880
a an event last night which your
you slash your family put on.
497
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:44,789
And we're just yeah, that was
just as funny moment when we're
498
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,819
arguing about whether your your
your sister had better Spanish
499
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:52,440
quality versus quantity was
compensation. Yeah, yeah. And
500
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:57,630
your mom did the right thing and
yeah, and had Yeah, hedged your
501
00:28:53,549 --> 00:29:01,680
dad. What that took sides? He
Yeah. Well, he did he did you
502
00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:02,220
hear what he said about you?
Yeah, he's,
503
00:29:02,339 --> 00:29:05,730
well, he's had the sight of
like, oh, one's got more
504
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:08,670
quantity. But my sister's got
more quality. Yeah,
505
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:12,119
no, but then he said, Your
sister's is better. Yeah. Yeah.
506
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:17,730
So that was just not in front of
me. That took a huge a huge
507
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:20,640
point of dad took aside you Dad
took a side and yeah, yeah, so
508
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,539
we're just saying how your, your
Spanish is lacking in
509
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:29,400
vocabulary. For for some, some
things. Yeah.
510
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,699
Even there's even words of
Spanish I'm learning now. With
511
00:29:33,028 --> 00:29:36,568
Java going through and learning
suppose yeah, hell this mean?
512
00:29:36,568 --> 00:29:38,969
I'm like, What do you mean like
some grammatical structuring,
513
00:29:38,969 --> 00:29:41,669
were like, Oh, I would say it
this way. And then do it like
514
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:44,338
it's like never an internet
site. That's fine. I might know
515
00:29:44,338 --> 00:29:47,489
something like no Duolingo is
wrong here. This is wrong. Like
516
00:29:47,489 --> 00:29:53,608
the way Duolingo teaches below.
No, sorry. Short, it would be
517
00:29:53,608 --> 00:29:57,479
like a butthole Yeah, be a jam
like dude. No one uses bow like
518
00:29:57,509 --> 00:30:01,469
that is not you say it's Koto.
You'd say like codable is short,
519
00:30:01,528 --> 00:30:06,028
like corto. Ito? Yeah, chiquito
whatever, whichever way like I'm
520
00:30:06,028 --> 00:30:09,269
like, bio is not like the most
commonly like how has it been
521
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:11,219
like taught but again, obviously
they're probably getting
522
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:15,630
I wouldn't be too harsh on
Duolingo because they have to.
523
00:30:16,259 --> 00:30:19,079
They're doing it for everyone
but every Spanish speaker so
524
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:25,859
it's not to get just
get better get some AI is gone
525
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:27,000
and teacher more specifically to
like what you need. I'm sure
526
00:30:25,859 --> 00:30:32,339
they could do,
for example that if someone's
527
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:36,210
learning English, they might be
tempted to put in I reckon,
528
00:30:32,339 --> 00:30:40,170
instead of I think, but I'm
pretty sure Duolingo would be
529
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:43,170
gone. No, no, no, that's not
acceptable. And do they let
530
00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:48,119
you learn like slang ish terms?
Duolingo not that I've come
531
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,619
across an Australian like a you
learn just Australian, and then
532
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:54,750
some Australian slangs I
actually feel like that that
533
00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:57,839
would be quite useful. There'll
be some uses to that.
534
00:30:58,349 --> 00:31:02,250
Yeah, but it's, that's not what
their course is for. If you want
535
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:05,880
that. Join, I literally just had
the conversation with Pete from
536
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,329
Ozzy English probably be out.
I'm hoping the day after this
537
00:31:09,329 --> 00:31:12,720
one's released another one with
him. We didn't actually even
538
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,380
talk about any language stuff.
He's, he's gotten into plant
539
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,109
collecting at the moment. So
land collect, yeah, actually his
540
00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:22,200
kind of funny thing. So in that
conversation, we were talking
541
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,490
about hobbies and the dreaded
word monetization. Which I
542
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:33,119
disliked that word, but in any
case, and he was saying how when
543
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,559
he starts something up, he is
basically almost instantly
544
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:43,140
looking for a way for his return
on his investment of time or
545
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:49,109
capital to be able to bring that
back into himself. So for
546
00:31:49,109 --> 00:31:55,710
example, his his he got a PhD
and gonna say like marine
547
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:59,009
biology or something like that
was around that sort of area
548
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,619
that used to just do a lot of
stuff with turtles and things
549
00:32:01,619 --> 00:32:06,059
like that. And but found that he
didn't actually enjoy it,
550
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:09,930
created this podcast called
Aussie English, and he's managed
551
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:14,099
to make a fairly successful
podcast pays for him and his
552
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:19,710
family's lifestyle. Beautiful.
He's gotten into rare plants
553
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:22,950
collecting so this is getting
back to the sort of biology side
554
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:26,069
a little bit more rare
houseplants I should say,
555
00:32:26,339 --> 00:32:31,049
qualify that with that. But uh,
you're saying you laid out I
556
00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:33,990
think you put in like 10 grand
into houseplants
557
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:42,119
so, like, unreal to me, but
yeah, and but you know, with the
558
00:32:36,809 --> 00:32:45,690
idea and with unbelievers
putting into practice of then
559
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:48,869
being able to keep take snippets
of this, and then you send it to
560
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:52,500
other people, and they will pay
you for that. And, you know,
561
00:32:48,869 --> 00:32:56,309
hundreds even 1000s for a
snipping or a survey can also
562
00:32:52,500 --> 00:33:00,029
grow their risk. So they can
also grow their rare ugly plant.
563
00:32:56,309 --> 00:33:03,690
He's he was noticing, actually,
that sort of similar to how
564
00:33:00,029 --> 00:33:07,589
money works, that array of
plants industry is similar,
565
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:11,400
where some of the highest Oh, I
agree with how ugly is shit, and
566
00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:15,960
it's just a rarity, Rarity, and
they're very hard to actually
567
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:20,759
maintain and, and grow. But I
was contrasting that with me
568
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:25,559
doing handstands, which is, no,
there's no purpose. There's no
569
00:33:20,849 --> 00:33:28,740
final goal for it. I'm not doing
it to join Cirque du Solei. I'm
570
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:33,029
not doing it to teach people I'm
not doing it to. I have no,
571
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:36,900
there's zero plan in my mind of
this ever making me a single
572
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:40,710
turn. Yeah. And he was saying,
Man, I do not understand that.
573
00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:44,609
So what about for you? If you
were picking up a new hobby,
574
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:48,630
like coding, for example? Would
it be in your mind to be able to
575
00:33:44,609 --> 00:33:53,880
create money from that? Is that
something that's forefront or
576
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:58,140
No? Or does it even come later?
For me, I was like, Ah, I don't
577
00:33:54,180 --> 00:34:01,619
even know if it it might come
eventually for me. But I was
578
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:05,880
just explaining more how my
general philosophy was kind of
579
00:34:01,619 --> 00:34:10,710
build something first, and then
take opportunities from it
580
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:13,199
later, rather than be building
and trying to take opportunities
581
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:16,110
at the same time.
Yeah, I mean, it's a hard
582
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:19,920
question. I think that
complexity to come to it that
583
00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:25,230
that it does depend on where you
are in some stages with life.
584
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:30,420
Let's just say you were like an
example Pete was really wanting
585
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:33,570
to get into you know, getting
rare plants for the home, but
586
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:36,630
also was maybe like struggling
to make ends meet. But you
587
00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:39,659
really want to do that. Okay,
there might have to be like some
588
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:42,000
real view into like, okay, if
I'm going to do this if there's
589
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:44,010
going to be a good return, or am
I just going to be wasting my
590
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,690
money here. So
in his case, this isn't it. So
591
00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:50,489
I'm saying like, if it was like,
if it's that sort of space, and
592
00:34:50,489 --> 00:34:52,800
maybe you'd be like, Okay, I've
really haven't think about the
593
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,889
money perspective. Let's just
say for some whatever reason say
594
00:34:55,889 --> 00:35:00,780
for you Hanson's if you know
whatever. right on the positive
595
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:04,230
Oh, okay now like I've got, I've
got to make ends meet ends meet,
596
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:07,739
I need money. And I'm putting
four hours a day into Hanson's,
597
00:35:07,769 --> 00:35:10,349
but now I'm gonna put four hours
into working. Okay, you might
598
00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:12,719
have to be like, Okay, I need to
do two hours of working until
599
00:35:13,139 --> 00:35:15,750
something like that. Right? So I
think he doesn't bend because I
600
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:19,019
think, for me personally, when I
was younger, I do you remember
601
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:22,019
having a thought of maybe a lot
of things? I'd be like, Oh,
602
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,530
well, how can I turn this into a
business idea or something that
603
00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:28,769
could live like leverage it into
more, not specifically money,
604
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,500
but it could have been more
followers, it could be more
605
00:35:31,769 --> 00:35:34,469
reactions, it could be more
network, whatever, you'd say,
606
00:35:34,469 --> 00:35:38,070
whatever. But now, I guess I'm
in a position where I don't need
607
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:41,190
any of that in the position of
like, okay, I've got a happy
608
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:44,460
lifestyle, I'm totally fine with
that sort of thing. So any extra
609
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:48,179
hobbies that I'm adding, like
learning French, like, I guess I
610
00:35:48,179 --> 00:35:51,599
could still say, like my
training today, there's no end
611
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,960
goal in sight. And it's not like
I'm chasing it so that I'm one
612
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,869
day going to be good enough
French that I can go make money.
613
00:35:57,869 --> 00:36:00,630
I'll teach people and I'm like,
now I just want to do because
614
00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:02,909
I'm finding it engaging. It's
sort of like picking up
615
00:36:02,909 --> 00:36:05,159
something old today. That was
really a long time back. And I'm
616
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,650
gonna do it forever. Probably
not. But it's something that's
617
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:10,409
cool. And I'm not expecting
anything from it. So I think
618
00:36:10,409 --> 00:36:13,110
that's more than mindset now.
But again, if I was in a
619
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position where my time was
coming to light, it's pretty
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critical. And even though it's a
voluntary hobby, my full plans
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might change where we'd have to
go, Okay, no, this has to be
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making a return for me. If I am
down to like, paycheck to
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paycheck, and maybe I could be
spending their time doing online
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surveys to make money or some
crazy stuff like that. Yeah. So
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it would depend. But I think for
now, I'd say, Yeah, I can
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totally get behind doing hobbies
where there's no return on
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investment. It's just purely for
the like, enjoyment. That's like
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Enough. Enough of like a return
on investment. Yeah. Okay, cool.
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Anything else you want?
I think that'll end us for
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today. sunsetting. The
chilliness is coming a little
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bit at the moment as well. So
yeah, you're
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gonna get like a significant
chunk. And it was I was like,
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no, no, I was really mad. That's
what I needed to spinny shorts
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on. Flex you would not actually
watching. So I'm literally
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wearing red beanie glasses.
Decent. If you got a decent
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00:37:15,059 --> 00:37:20,369
podcast app, you will see a
picture of what one's wearing
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what I'm wearing. Yeah, on your
screen at the moment,
638
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you'll be able to see it and be
like, Oh, Okay, gotcha. This is
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different. It's different
between me and current. So what
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I want temperatures right now
probably like 17 degrees. But
641
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look it up. I think I'll
probably be wearing what you'd
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be wearing. If it was 10 degrees
out. 11 degrees out? That'd
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probably be my outfit of choice.
Wait. So I'm wearing what you
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would be? Yes. Like, yeah, if it
was like 1011 degrees?
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Yeah, pretty much going on since
1970. And 16. So run that
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summer, we will have that. Yeah.
So a couple of recommendations
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from here from me. We have been
talking a lot about the value
648
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for value, and in particular,
the booster grabbing but this
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couple of things we've been
neglecting recently one. So the
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value for value is time, talent
and treasure. We've been talking
651
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about the treasure a fair bit,
but some time and some talent
652
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stuff that people could do,
which would be very helpful is
653
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sharing the podcast would be
nice to be able to share this
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with more people get more people
joining the live chat on Sunday
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evenings, which we do every
obviously. There's Yeah, just
656
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being able to sort of, I'm
focusing a bit more on on
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expanding the podcast out to
more people at the moment. So
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yeah, recommend other
recommendations. If you enjoy
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video, we've got video up on
YouTube, like little shorts
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00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:41,010
sections as well. So there's
plenty of places for to continue
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00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,980
for us. And however you want to
share any of them sharing a
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00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:46,860
clip, telling your friends all
of those sorts of things share
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that value portion would be very
much appreciated. And yeah, we
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hope you've enjoyed the value
got from this podcast learning
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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,610
about buddy chimps and crazy
people.
666
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Go check out go go go watch it.
I think I'd recommend people to
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watch it. Kind of like fast
forward past the initial stages
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like you'll see it I just see
like how she lived just out in
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like the wilderness basically
for six years. So it just seems
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like just so beyond reason to
me, but to see another human
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like an actual human do that.
Like wow, okay. This seems odd
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to me. But obviously, there's a
level of dedication that I just
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will never have in that regard.
Yeah, for
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sure. And in terms of Chapter
images, you know, a lot of times
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we will forget names of
particular things. When I'm re
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editing that in the post
production, time to maximum,
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make it a little bit higher
quality, sometimes add a note,
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I'll definitely have her name
appearing somewhere there and
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probably the Lucy documentary so
you can see it. So if you've got
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a decent podcasting app, which
supports chapters, so some of
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these would be things like
podres, like curio caster like
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fountain actually quite a lot of
them do podcast addict as well.
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I need to actually go through
all of them has breez. All of
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these Also once support those so
yeah definitely worth checking
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that out and
if you're watching the video
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that obviously appearing on your
screen as well so correct and
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even better from always saying
because there's quickly had a
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little look just be like okay,
exactly what's the name? And
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Jane was the name of the wife
who originally raised it. I
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don't think his name is Jane.
Something something's like
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getting to me right now being
like, I think maybe they're both
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cool James I'm like dude, I
remember being like, Jane but oh
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man. Well after that we'll have
to enter it's called Lucy the
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human chip, so it's gonna get
good Lucy the human. The story
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was right. Old names and years
probably incorrect. Yeah. Wasn't
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remembering everything apart from
everything. Wherever the home
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was live, but the story about
maybe not a lie. Just misguided
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wasn't necessarily her name
wasn't Lucy. It was actually
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like now. More or less. We're
gonna leave it there. Thank you
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very much. Hope you well,
wherever you are in the world.
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Juan out Kyrin out.
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Yeah, welcome everyone to a mere
mortals meandering session. It
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is Kyrin here, Juan on
the other side. And a meandering
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session is where we the mere
mortals dive deep into some
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particular topics that we're
enjoying. It's not a really
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structured one. There is no set
program for today we are out in
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the park as we usually are,
although not out in Southbank,
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because it was super busy today,
and there was gonna be a game
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there was a there was a rugby
game parking would have been a
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nightmare. It's already getting
late. So I think we made a good
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choice to come here. And we're
gonna start off with my my first
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and big one. And big one, the
big one is a good old begun and
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then I've had a realization. And
my realization was whilst I was
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doing a sneak peek into some of
my long term goals that are
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coming up for further planning,
I'm sort of like, Alright, I'm
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thinking, you really kind of
neither of you are just dialing
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them down. Some of them I
haven't really set but there's a
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couple that I'm sneaking
peeking. So here's a little
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sneak peek for you. And I was
contemplating learning some
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coding, in particular. So I've
never done any before. I can't
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say it's never particularly
interest me. But that's not
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it's, it's more I think that's
kind of like a happenstance
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thing. You know, handstands
never particularly interest me,
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but now they do. And yeah, so So
there's definitely room for
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hobbies and things that I find
cool. They're still make their
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way into my life. And I think
this one could be. But as I was
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doing it, I was thinking like,
how what, what should be the
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goal that I should be set for
the next year? Should I try and
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complete a project of some
short, should I finish a course
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should I say I want to be able
to manually edit an RSS feed. So
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many options, so many different
things. And I was contemplating
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all of this, I realized, like,
you know what, I actually don't
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like problem solving. Which is
kind of funny thing for an
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engineer to be saying, I'll,
I'll dial it down a bit more,
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which was, I don't like
uncertain problems. And what
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I've noticed with
troubleshooting with, especially
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these kinds of software problems
where you have to, you know, you
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had one not too long ago, where
what was it like your phone was?
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You weren't able to connect your
phone to your TV, something like
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that? What was that? Yeah, it
was me the trouble was me
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connecting my Wi Fi and through
the Google Home to be able to
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stream Netflix or anything else
from foreign to TV. Yeah.
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So someone words, there's no,
there's no technical thing, it's
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you've all all you've got to do
is somehow get this thing to
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say, Yes, this is this should
connect this way. And those
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sorts of problems. I hate them.
I hate them with a passion.
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They, and it's I feel it's
because they're kind of
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uncertain, there's no, there's
no guarantee you're gonna get
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your pay off of this thing or
fix. Or, you know, maybe the
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solution is you have to go out
and buy a whole new thing. Or it
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can't, it can't just be solved
with what you have on hand. I
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really hate that. And it's it's
kind of I've had this for every
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time that I've had to deal with
switching of phone provider or
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something like that, or, you
know, figuring out why this file
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won't export video. So for the
Premiere Pro, for example, when
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it updates, and then I have to
try and figure out okay, why is
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it now? Not working? Not? Yeah,
why are we failing completely
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each time? And look, there's,
you could sort of say some of
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the things with some other
things, which I do like, like
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math problems, but I feel it's
because there's a definite
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solution. Someone's given me a
math problem in high school.
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There's no, it's not like
there's not going to be an
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answer. There's a single defined
answer, and you're going to get
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your pay off. And I feel that's
the I feel that's the
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difference, which is that I just
really just like uncertain
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problems, or ones where I know
there's no optimal solution. So
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in mining, when I was doing,
like, what's the logistics and
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things like that? Yes, there's
no, I'm never going to solve it.
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It's always going to be trade
offs. And you know, these trade
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offs will be kind of optimize
these will be slightly down, you
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can get this coal, which is a
higher quality, but you'll
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sacrifice maybe some efficiency
for one or the other machines.
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And you know, this will have
implications down the line.
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That's okay. I can deal with
that. It's that trying to solve
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a problem. You're not sure if
it's going to be able to work
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and I find those ones it's
impossible to gauge how much
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time is there's going to be
solved in an hour or is it going
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to take 10 hours? Yeah, okay, I
hate that shit. I hate it so
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much. So I'm gonna have to
definitely do a lot more
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thinking about what goal I want
to set because I don't want to
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set one whereas one where I'm
finding myself doing these kinds
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of problems, which honestly,
they just make me anxious and
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jittery. I just do not enjoy
them, I find them super
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unpleasant.
Yeah, I think with with coding
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as well, because I, myself don't
know how to code either I can
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read code and certain languages,
I could I can read JavaScript, I
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can read C sharp, I can read
Python, okay, and understand
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what's going on. I couldn't run,
I don't know all the variables
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and whatnot. Gotcha. But one of
the one of the things I do know
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about coding is the movement
between a bad coder or beginner
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coder to being good at coding,
maybe understanding coding is
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not in itself, like the type of
what the code does. So let's
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just take a really simple
instance here and say, HTML, and
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you're going to have like a bug
loose, crawling up my leg, good.
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It was time box. Or you might be
able to create that box in 100
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lines, or make a really good
coder mobility more elegantly
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structured, so it only needs two
lines, three lines, but you're
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right, it takes. Or you could
have it in all these different
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permutations, you could build it
out of corners, you could build
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it in so many different ways. So
I get what you're saying where
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it's, you could have almost
endless amounts of okay, how
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exactly is it that I'm supposed
to be doing something? I tell
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you one thing, there's no real
answer to it. I do think that
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structuring a goal, especially
for coding to be like, Okay, I
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want to learn how to build a web
page all I want to learn how to
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connect ourselves. Yeah,
something about it. That strikes
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me as like, you're not you're
not gonna have a fun time.
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I feel like the creation aspect.
I actually wouldn't mind too
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much the building of whether
it's done this way, in this way,
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and one of them's more elegant.
I feel like that's okay. It
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would be if I building something
it was working before, and then
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suddenly, it stops working. I
fixed what I think was meant to
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be fixed. And then it's now that
that wasn't actually it. It's,
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you know, those problems where
nothing has changed on your
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part. And it's just totally on
some hidden things somewhere,
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which has now changed. And, and
it's, you know, those variables,
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like, why is my car stopped
working now?
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Yeah, look, I will say, I will
say, and I'll, if you do decide
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to go on the path of wanting to
learn coding, I would pull heed
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you on the side of trying to do
like the simplest thing
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possible. Because what you said
earlier around where you don't
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know where something's going to
take an hour or 10 hours. And
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the wording of it is debugging,
obviously, in a lot of the
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coding language, I guess you'd
say it, but you can debug it in
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any type of code that you write.
And that process literally could
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be like, you might find out the
issue in a minute. And you might
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find the issue in like, three
weeks, you have no idea. And
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obviously, the more of a
beginner you are, the more
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you'll just have absolutely no
clue of what in the world is
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going on. So you know, the
traditional thing that you will
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learn how to write a code is
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might be the easiest things. And
all the different types of
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languages, like scripts will
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Sure, fine. But as soon as you
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the very, very, like, trodden
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sudden, just in this wild
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if I broke, there's, it's like,
how do I not break in? And
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you'll have to try and find
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else, and never haven't like,
good luck. You're debugging
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yourself as much as you can with
what you know of it. Yeah. What
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do you think you want to get out
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probably it would be, actually,
funnily enough, what I was just
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going to mention was automating
the boring stuff. So there's a
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book, I'm pretty sure called
automating the boring stuff,
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which is kind of, I believe,
it's kind of, you know, coding
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101 type thing, or you can,
it's, I'm not sure it's specific
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to a language, it's more of a
mindset or framework, I need to
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research it a bit more. But
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messing around with that. And it
is a manual process copied and
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paste from this thing copied and
pasted over here. Yeah,
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it's maybe something like that.
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your computer, right to do
whatever, yep, open this tab,
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open this because maybe you
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you know, automate three
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type of deal, maybe it could be
like, run the script, and this
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will automatically upload select
the right file, but it's got the
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right naming structure, or that
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you're not even doing that.
You'd click it and you go away.
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That might be able to save you
half an hour of time or
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whatever, maybe.
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just being able to understand
how to use other people's ones
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because I know other people have
created similar things. But it's
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one of the hiring new use it for
modifying it slightly for
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myself, even just understanding
the basics of you know how to
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set up a new server how To
install, like I somehow
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installed cast upon, I still
have no idea how I really
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managed to get that done.
Because I there was a lot of
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help of other people. Yeah, that
it would be nice where I could
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just be at a competent level
being okay. You know, maybe
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there's another self hosting
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me just realizing like, Okay, I
gotta, I gotta be real careful
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with this one, because I don't
want to get like off the deep
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end quick. Yeah. Which, which is
kind of me forcing myself to do
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things which which I dislike in
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reflecting frustration. Yeah,
I've done incorrectly. It's kind
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of like the book goals. You
know, I've done it twice. Now
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I've kind of set myself a goal
of reading X amount of books or
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reading a certain type of book
philosophy books for this last
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year, which it's been okay. But
it's kind of also been like, I
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don't particularly want to be
reading this one right now. I
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don't. There's, there's times
for forcing yourself to do
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things, which you don't want to
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in the procrastination one,
check out that episode from last
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week. But there's also other
times where man had, I don't
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need to, I don't need to do
there's anyone listening who has
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probably people who are
listening grew up, either
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probably better coders all are
coders because I'm a man,
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especially in the valley valleys
by like, and yeah,
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basic, please send in a
histogram or a message or
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contact, however, but maybe some
basic things that you found
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useful a resources and what is
as a kind of sustainable thing
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to set as a goal over a year? I
think that would be a nice,
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yeah, I'm wondering whether it's
comparable to language learning,
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you know, do is it like one of
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month, and in that time, I'll
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don't know. I genuinely don't
know, if it's that worth. Just,
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like, just start doing things
inside like googling it and
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seeing like, Okay, I need to do
this. Okay. I think often what I
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hear the way that people learn
to vote is like, okay, Google is
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like, here's this task to do. Go
do it and figure it out along
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the way. And here's the steps
and etc. Like by practice as
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opposed to really reading it,
like I read what it means to use
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this code or that code or this
code or the variable ablow, I'd
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like to know just start, go by
practice. Go from there.
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Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Okay. Have you put them on? How
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to actually from a little while
ago, I saw a documentary. Yes.
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documentaries and ABC. Do you
know about Jane and the
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chimpanzees? Do you know just a
general Yeah. Do you know
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there's one I know she is Jane
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thought this was Jane Goodall,
right, because this story is
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crazy. It's batshit. Crazy. It's
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another lady called Jane. Right.
And it was about chimpanzees.
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Now what that was like, It's my
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name was No, no, no, no. So this
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Jane kind of her last name with
chimpanzees. But it's not the
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Jane Goodall. It's not like the
famous that people know about.
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That's right. Because as far as
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you've got to watch the
documentary was pretty crazy.
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It's pretty bananas. What's the
point? If Could you do a quick
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little Google while I find it?
It's type in ABC, Jane,
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chimpanzees, you'll find it. And
it's really available. So if
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anyone wants to go watch it,
obviously, go watch it. I would
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recommend it actually. It's
pretty instinct, but I'll give
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you a little highlight of it.
And look, if you're gonna go
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watch anything. I'm gonna spoil
it come back spoil for you
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folks. Probably Fast forward two
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purposes, I was okay. I'll sit
down I'll watch is about an hour
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and the first half. It's very
casual, right. It's just wasn't
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expected. unison's, they rode,
and I'm going to use right. But
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back in whatever, like 7080s,
something around the time, they
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decided to this couple to get a
chimpanzee, which was, like just
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born and take them into their
family, in essence, taking them
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as like raising as a normal
human, just to see the nurture
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versus nature debate that was
happening around the time. And
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so they essentially raised until
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that's how to find like, Okay,
this chimpanzee seems to be
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doing chimpanzee stuff and
assigning to attack people, even
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though they were raising it as
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right now. Really fast forward.
As it came through this person
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that they hired, named Jane was
like, hey, we need an assistant
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to help like feed her clean her
sometimes she's on the cage.
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That's what she needs to do.
They got to a point this family
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like, oh, look, we can't keep
her around. It's really bad. And
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there is the other time I don't
know if it still exists, or does
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still exist. There are like a
chimpanzee rehabilitation
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centers in Africa, where they'll
try to get them back into the
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wild, right? So it took them
over there. This particular
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champion C, which was called
Lucy was called Lucy wasn't like
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going well at all didn't know
didn't want to eat like right No
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food, didn't want to like go
into normal chimpanzee society
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to this chick called Jane who
basically like fallen in love
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and like a deep relationship,
not of like sexual, but have I
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really care for this animal for
the human almost like this
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entity, this person for her. So
she was like, I'm gonna stay
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here to make sure that she can
transcend into being part of the
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chimpanzees as large. So yeah,
that's what we're about halfway
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through, it was in seeming
pretty normal, I guess at this
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point, like rational. And the
person Jane is actually in this
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documentary talking about all of
the experience telling about
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what happened. So she's like,
actually tell retelling the
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story. And they've got a bit of
a flashback on what was
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happening. And all of a sudden,
it's like, she's in Africa for
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two weeks. And then it's like,
she's in Africa for six weeks.
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And then like, okay, she's now
there for a month, and then she
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delays she's like, Okay,
I've got it here on the
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calendar, I've got to go back
home, because I'm sorry to run
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out of money. And basically only
It's like eating random things
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people are giving her. And
there's something in that
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particular point, as well as the
next phase of this chimpanzees
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being led into the wild was put
them into a an island, basically
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an island surrounded by water,
so there wouldn't be too much
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predators, but there was some
predators there. So they could
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start learning to eat food.
What'd she do, she taught to go
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over the, with the chimpanzees.
And the story short, she stayed
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there for six years. With this
chimpanzees are basically just
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lived in a cage. And like she
was talking about how, at the
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very beginning, they would sleep
like right on top, it was like
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the chimpanzee losing a few
other chimpanzees. And they
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would sleep on top of her cage
and shit on her and piss all
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like night, because I was so
scared. And she just also got to
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a point where she was seeing
like letters coming through from
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the outside world, like every
month be like, I hope you're
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okay. And she would write back,
but you have suddenly become so
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disconnected to humanity. She
just stopped altogether doing
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it. And so she was saying, like,
roughly for three years, she
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just lived with the chimpanzees,
and would just eat random food
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with them. And I'm imagining
shelter took a boat, like back
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and forth between the river to
like, just go see others. I
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can't remember exactly why, but
like six years, you're like,
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okay, oh, she got attacked by
one of the male chimpanzees who,
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like they would have seen this
lady as like the lead, I guess.
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And so the MailChimp as he was
like, Ah, I'm going to be a
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lead. So she got like, attacked
by this chimpanzee. He realized,
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okay, I probably should leave.
And so she reintroduce herself
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back into humanity. And she was
in Bali chair like a premonition
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of some kind and it was losing
or killed. The chimpanzee got
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killed, like, strewn around
parts everywhere. Who knows what
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it's probably a dumpster, but
he's killed or something like
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that, to that effect. And at
that point, I'm like, now this
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is like, is wild. Like one
person like goes and like lives
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for six years, which had been
the like, obviously, she really
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loved her. And she was talking
about how Pease and how good it
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felt. And you know, she didn't
miss humanity at all, anything
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like that. And then the rest of
it, like it just quickly goes,
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Oh, yes. And she returned back
to the island. And she's lived
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like, among the chimpanzees and
is like the leader of
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rehabilitation of chimpanzees
since then, and stillness today.
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So she like basically left when
she was like, 26 years old and
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never came back home. But I was
like, Man, that is some that is
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some very just crazy, very
rationality. But she, because
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she was in the documentary
telling all this, and she seemed
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so rational. So she was like,
very, it seemed very normal,
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dodgy dodgy. I was like, that's
what I did. I feels fine. I did
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it. Because I really cared for I
wanted to make sure. And I could
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see it in some parts. Like I
could relate in some part of me
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like, Okay, if I really, really
cared about something so much. I
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could imagine doing this. But
then I did have to stop myself,
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right. It's kind of the end. And
I was like, you know, when you
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when people might reflect back
and go, you don't want 200 years
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ago, I would have helped those
black people out of the minds. I
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want to try to free them or
whatever, bullshit, I would not
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have. There's no way that many
people wouldn't, wouldn't be
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doing that. But that's what most
people were doing, you know,
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they were just going along with
what normal society would be
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telling them to do. So I think
even in that moment, I'd be
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like, No, I'm not staying
staying around for six years on
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a deserted island to look after
the thing and then come back and
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do it forever. So I just I got
to decide for myself, I'm not
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that sort of person. I was gonna
ask you the question. Do you
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think there could be any animal
that you could fall so so in
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love to make you absolutely up
and take leave and never return
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again and just live live away
from humanity when
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I'm not the biggest animal
person? Anyway,
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so moving away from humanity,
entice you into something that
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makes you feel like oh, that's,
I think I've told you about my
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mini fantasy I've had before
where the caves? Yeah, I go out
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into you know, an Uluru type
rock. So big rock for those who
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Ayers Rock for maybe the non
Australians. Just like a
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gigantic clay fucking huge rock
and taking a bunch of dynamite
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out there and just like blowing
caves and creating sculptures
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and then dying in there. And
then people 100 years later,
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200,000 years later being like,
Whoa, look at all this crazy
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like that. That'd be kind of
cool, like one of those hidden
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mysteries but
By the way, side side thing I
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did find in boozer booking for
Tasmania, that you can book a
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cave in New South Wales, I
believe it is, I think it's like
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$1,400 a night. And it's
literally a cave that they've
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just, I'm assuming it just
existed in already this shape
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and they've carved out a bit
more of it and turned it into a
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hotel that you can say like a
room or something like that. So
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it does look pretty cool. Looks
very expensive. So maybe they go
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live out your, your fantasy of
living in a cave of some form
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living in some rocks.
No, no, none of that appeals to
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me. Animals. I keep them at
arm's length. I'm surprised she
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didn't get ripped to pieces
earlier by while I just getting
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attacked in general by
chimpanzees of I don't know,
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this is more just like the Joe
Rogan stuff I've heard about it
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from for years where he's, you
know, he will fucking loves the
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gym. So just the dude but just,
wow, there's chimps. And they
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are when you when you see them,
they are bloody strong, you
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know, just biceps bolje.
Well, and the thing is, there
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was actually a speaking of
Dragon, I was listening to it
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just in the drive here. And he
was talking about how, let's
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say, I'm Michael Jordan, you
like he's really, really good.
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But you kind of have to have a
little bit of a mental, like
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deficiency, like you have to
have something a little bit
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mentally wrong with you to just
want to win at all costs. Like
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no matter what, and be like a
dickhead to people just be what
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others might be like, Oh, that's
a little bit too much. But it's
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like, but you have to sometimes
do that will be like that to be
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so good. They give me an example
of like, Tiger Woods, and the
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fact that he was you know, his
dad pushed him super hard when
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he was one year old and partying
all the time and to become like
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really, really great. And of
course, he became some people
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say, you know, the greatest
golfer there is or maybe others
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would say, at least in top 10
Plus or whatever. But you know
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that I also came at the extreme
costs of all these other
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deficiencies issues now with
like, his legs, his hips, like
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all sort of stuff. I was like,
Yeah, you kind of have to be
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able to get to those extremes.
It's I guess, you have to take
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like, there's going to be all
these other deficiencies that
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come to it. I guess what it also
sparked in my mind, I was like,
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Okay, this Jain person. He just
strikes me as if she had put her
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that level of tenacity to
something else. I feel like she
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would have could have similarly
achieved like something
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incredible for the world like
something insane. Like maybe she
390
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was like so tenacious, and who
knows why just for Camelia why
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not? What, Amelia what's the
lady's name, the one that flew
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the first time over Amelia
Earnhardt Earnhardt. Like
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Danny's like, like that level,
like so tenacious that you like
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just accomplish all these crazy
things. But she just decided to
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put all her tenacity to look
after Scott Adecco. I actually
396
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couldn't find her name. All I
found was Jane Goodall. It'll
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just be up here on your screen
people. And so that's
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what I remember was like Lucy,
that's the name of the
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chimpanzee. So if you want to
actually work, go watch that.
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It's quite nice. I give that
gave away the whole, complete
401
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sorry, there's nothing really
like there's nothing else that
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you will learn apart from how it
is to live with a chimpanzee
403
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like day to day.
Yeah. You know, even the story
404
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itself actually doesn't interest
me that much. So I'm pretty sure
405
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I've heard versions of this
where people do it with dogs,
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and with other animals, which
are kind of dangerous, but not
407
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dangerous enough to just
completely mess them up. That
408
00:23:14,009 --> 00:23:21,869
was, yeah, though. People love
animals. And some people love
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them.
We're not We're not huge animal
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lovers enough. We might get
like, heaps of hate histograms
411
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coming in from here from lizards
being like, I'll do that to my
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cat. You know, it's my cat was
like whatever not to like, learn
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to go go back to a wild cat.
Yeah, I'll say with my cat out
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in the wild, I'll tell you. If
you're
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if you're doing that you're
probably not going to need much
416
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material possessions. So just
convert it all to Bitcoin. And
417
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:51,420
look, we'll look after for you.
In 10 years time, we'll get you
418
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on the podcast, we can talk
about your experience in
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Seattle. Yeah, we'll
film the documentary. Yeah.
420
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Yeah, I
actually was, this actually goes
421
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to, I guess, something that I'd
forgotten about. And we used to
422
00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:05,789
do quite a lot, but we don't do
as much, but just being precise
423
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with the words and even like
language. And so I heard, I
424
00:24:05,789 --> 00:24:15,089
heard it'd be said on a podcast
etymology, like the etymology of
425
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x a word. And I was like, Oh, I
like I like the sound of
426
00:24:15,089 --> 00:24:21,779
etymology. That's, that's quite
cool. And in my mind, I was
427
00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:24,569
going to, I kind of, I kind of
thought I knew what it meant,
428
00:24:21,779 --> 00:24:27,480
but not exactly what it meant.
In my mind. I was like, oh, you
429
00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:31,859
know, I could be saying things
like, Oh, we could find the
430
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etymology of, of humans. I was
using it as a concept. As an
431
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etymology. You can look up the
word and
432
00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:40,140
by that you meant what? Like,
what what did you think if you
433
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:42,509
meant etymology of humans, what
what did you think
434
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I meant is like, all that's
fine, like, the root beginning
435
00:24:45,569 --> 00:24:49,319
of the concept of the idea,
something to that regard, but
436
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:53,160
it's in specifically the word
it's the word the actual, like,
437
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:56,519
human, where that came from, I
guess. So the etymology of the
438
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actual word itself. So I was
like, Oh, okay. I would have
439
00:25:00,390 --> 00:25:02,940
gotten that wrong. I would have
been like the wrong terminology
440
00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:06,420
of of that particular word. I
guess I just came to the
441
00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:09,150
realization to be like, ah,
yeah, okay, there's probably
442
00:25:09,779 --> 00:25:13,319
other uses of words or language
that I've probably gotten sloppy
443
00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:16,680
with that I'm using it or I'm
right. Especially reading it
444
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,970
because in obstacles away by
Ryan Holiday, the man if I could
445
00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:24,660
put so much just extra words,
just for extra words, sake, you
446
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:26,369
know what you put like,
something that you've never
447
00:25:26,369 --> 00:25:28,650
heard before you I'd be like,
Dude, why even use it? I'm sure
448
00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:31,230
you can use it any other
different way, but he just does.
449
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:35,819
And I'm not going actively to
find out exactly what it means.
450
00:25:36,509 --> 00:25:39,960
I'm just reading and go, Okay. I
kind of know what he is saying
451
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,680
here. Like, I get the concept of
the sentence. I'm assuming this
452
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means this. And so I won't go
and like actually check it out.
453
00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:51,509
Where I probably should, because
I'll go and like resave that
454
00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,400
word, it'd be like, Oh,
actually, no, that doesn't mean
455
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,539
that it actually means
this specifically, when they do
456
00:25:54,119 --> 00:26:03,599
that if it appears two or three
times. I'm also reading a book.
457
00:25:57,539 --> 00:26:05,730
Somebody had always done this by
Ernesto savato. And
458
00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:09,450
so burrito YouTubers, Sabra. So
Bray,
459
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,650
yep. So about heroes and terms,
basically, an old drive so I'm
460
00:26:13,950 --> 00:26:17,730
not exactly sure how the that
word gets translated. You get
461
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:24,930
the rough picture. And it's
Argentinian Spanish. And they
462
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,410
Yeah, I mean, every country has
its its slang. And it just
463
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:30,930
depends on how much the author
particularly wants to use that
464
00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:37,230
slang. But, I mean, Argentinian
slang is the only one I've heard
465
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:40,799
where they've got a name for
Argentinian tinny and slang,
466
00:26:40,829 --> 00:26:44,460
which is lymphatic. So I think
they've got, you know, their
467
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:49,470
slang level might be even at a
better game than actually no,
468
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:53,549
sorry, I believe Ching Gardo as
well as maybe the sort of like
469
00:26:53,549 --> 00:26:56,970
Mexican slang, so, but I've
never heard a word for Colombian
470
00:26:56,970 --> 00:27:01,950
slang. All I'd say is just like,
it's Colombian. So there's a
471
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:06,690
fair few words that he's thrown
around there, which I just go. I
472
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:11,099
even tried to research them as
hard because you have to know
473
00:27:11,099 --> 00:27:14,369
exactly where to be looking on
Google or some of these
474
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,240
dictionaries, because it's very,
very specific. Very specific. So
475
00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:21,900
yeah, yeah. I mean, just depends
if you want to be a bit more
476
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:26,130
well read, if you want to, but I
think well read as opposed to
477
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:30,930
you need to expand your Spanish.
I'll bring that up in a minute.
478
00:27:31,529 --> 00:27:35,369
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was more
just getting the I'm going to
479
00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:37,769
read you like, you're right.
Like, I'm not going to be
480
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,700
reusing every single one of
those words that I'm learning
481
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:44,490
and how hard it's got one. I'm
not learning them like but flat
482
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:46,890
out I'm not learning number two.
There's one of them that I wish
483
00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:49,589
I could recall one of them cuz I
was just like, Dude, why even
484
00:27:49,589 --> 00:27:52,440
uses word you could use? It's
almost like, like epistemology.
485
00:27:52,529 --> 00:27:55,829
Well, it's like when you bring
back a, like an 1800s word. And
486
00:27:55,829 --> 00:28:01,289
it's like, no, like, why?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
487
00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:04,740
Well, there's there's a whole
bunch of words which I, I've,
488
00:28:01,289 --> 00:28:08,849
I've heard Sam Harris say, for
example, and I, yeah, I kind of
489
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:14,819
know it. But if I actually
wanted to use epistemology, it
490
00:28:08,849 --> 00:28:18,660
would be a get it kind of right,
but not not exactly right. Yeah.
491
00:28:14,819 --> 00:28:22,650
Ya know, what I wanted to bring
up was a celebration. One is now
492
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:25,799
30 Is joined the awesome 30
Club, such as, you know,
493
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:29,640
distinguished people, such as
myself, and all 30 year olds. I
494
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:33,720
know that in every other third
of Europe in the UN, every other
495
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:37,559
person who will be 30 But yeah,
yeah, we went to a kind of like
496
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:41,880
a an event last night which your
you slash your family put on.
497
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:44,789
And we're just yeah, that was
just as funny moment when we're
498
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,819
arguing about whether your your
your sister had better Spanish
499
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:52,440
quality versus quantity was
compensation. Yeah, yeah. And
500
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:57,630
your mom did the right thing and
yeah, and had Yeah, hedged your
501
00:28:53,549 --> 00:29:01,680
dad. What that took sides? He
Yeah. Well, he did he did you
502
00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:02,220
hear what he said about you?
Yeah, he's,
503
00:29:02,339 --> 00:29:05,730
well, he's had the sight of
like, oh, one's got more
504
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:08,670
quantity. But my sister's got
more quality. Yeah,
505
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:12,119
no, but then he said, Your
sister's is better. Yeah. Yeah.
506
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:17,730
So that was just not in front of
me. That took a huge a huge
507
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:20,640
point of dad took aside you Dad
took a side and yeah, yeah, so
508
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,539
we're just saying how your, your
Spanish is lacking in
509
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:29,400
vocabulary. For for some, some
things. Yeah.
510
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,699
Even there's even words of
Spanish I'm learning now. With
511
00:29:33,028 --> 00:29:36,568
Java going through and learning
suppose yeah, hell this mean?
512
00:29:36,568 --> 00:29:38,969
I'm like, What do you mean like
some grammatical structuring,
513
00:29:38,969 --> 00:29:41,669
were like, Oh, I would say it
this way. And then do it like
514
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:44,338
it's like never an internet
site. That's fine. I might know
515
00:29:44,338 --> 00:29:47,489
something like no Duolingo is
wrong here. This is wrong. Like
516
00:29:47,489 --> 00:29:53,608
the way Duolingo teaches below.
No, sorry. Short, it would be
517
00:29:53,608 --> 00:29:57,479
like a butthole Yeah, be a jam
like dude. No one uses bow like
518
00:29:57,509 --> 00:30:01,469
that is not you say it's Koto.
You'd say like codable is short,
519
00:30:01,528 --> 00:30:06,028
like corto. Ito? Yeah, chiquito
whatever, whichever way like I'm
520
00:30:06,028 --> 00:30:09,269
like, bio is not like the most
commonly like how has it been
521
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:11,219
like taught but again, obviously
they're probably getting
522
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:15,630
I wouldn't be too harsh on
Duolingo because they have to.
523
00:30:16,259 --> 00:30:19,079
They're doing it for everyone
but every Spanish speaker so
524
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:25,859
it's not to get just
get better get some AI is gone
525
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:27,000
and teacher more specifically to
like what you need. I'm sure
526
00:30:25,859 --> 00:30:32,339
they could do,
for example that if someone's
527
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:36,210
learning English, they might be
tempted to put in I reckon,
528
00:30:32,339 --> 00:30:40,170
instead of I think, but I'm
pretty sure Duolingo would be
529
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:43,170
gone. No, no, no, that's not
acceptable. And do they let
530
00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:48,119
you learn like slang ish terms?
Duolingo not that I've come
531
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,619
across an Australian like a you
learn just Australian, and then
532
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:54,750
some Australian slangs I
actually feel like that that
533
00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:57,839
would be quite useful. There'll
be some uses to that.
534
00:30:58,349 --> 00:31:02,250
Yeah, but it's, that's not what
their course is for. If you want
535
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:05,880
that. Join, I literally just had
the conversation with Pete from
536
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,329
Ozzy English probably be out.
I'm hoping the day after this
537
00:31:09,329 --> 00:31:12,720
one's released another one with
him. We didn't actually even
538
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,380
talk about any language stuff.
He's, he's gotten into plant
539
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,109
collecting at the moment. So
land collect, yeah, actually his
540
00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:22,200
kind of funny thing. So in that
conversation, we were talking
541
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,490
about hobbies and the dreaded
word monetization. Which I
542
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:33,119
disliked that word, but in any
case, and he was saying how when
543
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,559
he starts something up, he is
basically almost instantly
544
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:43,140
looking for a way for his return
on his investment of time or
545
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:49,109
capital to be able to bring that
back into himself. So for
546
00:31:49,109 --> 00:31:55,710
example, his his he got a PhD
and gonna say like marine
547
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:59,009
biology or something like that
was around that sort of area
548
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,619
that used to just do a lot of
stuff with turtles and things
549
00:32:01,619 --> 00:32:06,059
like that. And but found that he
didn't actually enjoy it,
550
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:09,930
created this podcast called
Aussie English, and he's managed
551
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:14,099
to make a fairly successful
podcast pays for him and his
552
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:19,710
family's lifestyle. Beautiful.
He's gotten into rare plants
553
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:22,950
collecting so this is getting
back to the sort of biology side
554
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:26,069
a little bit more rare
houseplants I should say,
555
00:32:26,339 --> 00:32:31,049
qualify that with that. But uh,
you're saying you laid out I
556
00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:33,990
think you put in like 10 grand
into houseplants
557
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:42,119
so, like, unreal to me, but
yeah, and but you know, with the
558
00:32:36,809 --> 00:32:45,690
idea and with unbelievers
putting into practice of then
559
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:48,869
being able to keep take snippets
of this, and then you send it to
560
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:52,500
other people, and they will pay
you for that. And, you know,
561
00:32:48,869 --> 00:32:56,309
hundreds even 1000s for a
snipping or a survey can also
562
00:32:52,500 --> 00:33:00,029
grow their risk. So they can
also grow their rare ugly plant.
563
00:32:56,309 --> 00:33:03,690
He's he was noticing, actually,
that sort of similar to how
564
00:33:00,029 --> 00:33:07,589
money works, that array of
plants industry is similar,
565
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:11,400
where some of the highest Oh, I
agree with how ugly is shit, and
566
00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:15,960
it's just a rarity, Rarity, and
they're very hard to actually
567
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:20,759
maintain and, and grow. But I
was contrasting that with me
568
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:25,559
doing handstands, which is, no,
there's no purpose. There's no
569
00:33:20,849 --> 00:33:28,740
final goal for it. I'm not doing
it to join Cirque du Solei. I'm
570
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:33,029
not doing it to teach people I'm
not doing it to. I have no,
571
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:36,900
there's zero plan in my mind of
this ever making me a single
572
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:40,710
turn. Yeah. And he was saying,
Man, I do not understand that.
573
00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:44,609
So what about for you? If you
were picking up a new hobby,
574
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:48,630
like coding, for example? Would
it be in your mind to be able to
575
00:33:44,609 --> 00:33:53,880
create money from that? Is that
something that's forefront or
576
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:58,140
No? Or does it even come later?
For me, I was like, Ah, I don't
577
00:33:54,180 --> 00:34:01,619
even know if it it might come
eventually for me. But I was
578
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:05,880
just explaining more how my
general philosophy was kind of
579
00:34:01,619 --> 00:34:10,710
build something first, and then
take opportunities from it
580
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:13,199
later, rather than be building
and trying to take opportunities
581
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:16,110
at the same time.
Yeah, I mean, it's a hard
582
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:19,920
question. I think that
complexity to come to it that
583
00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:25,230
that it does depend on where you
are in some stages with life.
584
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:30,420
Let's just say you were like an
example Pete was really wanting
585
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:33,570
to get into you know, getting
rare plants for the home, but
586
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:36,630
also was maybe like struggling
to make ends meet. But you
587
00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:39,659
really want to do that. Okay,
there might have to be like some
588
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:42,000
real view into like, okay, if
I'm going to do this if there's
589
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:44,010
going to be a good return, or am
I just going to be wasting my
590
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,690
money here. So
in his case, this isn't it. So
591
00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:50,489
I'm saying like, if it was like,
if it's that sort of space, and
592
00:34:50,489 --> 00:34:52,800
maybe you'd be like, Okay, I've
really haven't think about the
593
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,889
money perspective. Let's just
say for some whatever reason say
594
00:34:55,889 --> 00:35:00,780
for you Hanson's if you know
whatever. right on the positive
595
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:04,230
Oh, okay now like I've got, I've
got to make ends meet ends meet,
596
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:07,739
I need money. And I'm putting
four hours a day into Hanson's,
597
00:35:07,769 --> 00:35:10,349
but now I'm gonna put four hours
into working. Okay, you might
598
00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:12,719
have to be like, Okay, I need to
do two hours of working until
599
00:35:13,139 --> 00:35:15,750
something like that. Right? So I
think he doesn't bend because I
600
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:19,019
think, for me personally, when I
was younger, I do you remember
601
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:22,019
having a thought of maybe a lot
of things? I'd be like, Oh,
602
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,530
well, how can I turn this into a
business idea or something that
603
00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:28,769
could live like leverage it into
more, not specifically money,
604
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,500
but it could have been more
followers, it could be more
605
00:35:31,769 --> 00:35:34,469
reactions, it could be more
network, whatever, you'd say,
606
00:35:34,469 --> 00:35:38,070
whatever. But now, I guess I'm
in a position where I don't need
607
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:41,190
any of that in the position of
like, okay, I've got a happy
608
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:44,460
lifestyle, I'm totally fine with
that sort of thing. So any extra
609
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:48,179
hobbies that I'm adding, like
learning French, like, I guess I
610
00:35:48,179 --> 00:35:51,599
could still say, like my
training today, there's no end
611
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,960
goal in sight. And it's not like
I'm chasing it so that I'm one
612
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,869
day going to be good enough
French that I can go make money.
613
00:35:57,869 --> 00:36:00,630
I'll teach people and I'm like,
now I just want to do because
614
00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:02,909
I'm finding it engaging. It's
sort of like picking up
615
00:36:02,909 --> 00:36:05,159
something old today. That was
really a long time back. And I'm
616
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,650
gonna do it forever. Probably
not. But it's something that's
617
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:10,409
cool. And I'm not expecting
anything from it. So I think
618
00:36:10,409 --> 00:36:13,110
that's more than mindset now.
But again, if I was in a
619
00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:16,710
position where my time was
coming to light, it's pretty
620
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:21,809
critical. And even though it's a
voluntary hobby, my full plans
621
00:36:21,809 --> 00:36:24,570
might change where we'd have to
go, Okay, no, this has to be
622
00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:29,489
making a return for me. If I am
down to like, paycheck to
623
00:36:29,489 --> 00:36:32,909
paycheck, and maybe I could be
spending their time doing online
624
00:36:32,909 --> 00:36:35,369
surveys to make money or some
crazy stuff like that. Yeah. So
625
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:38,369
it would depend. But I think for
now, I'd say, Yeah, I can
626
00:36:38,369 --> 00:36:41,400
totally get behind doing hobbies
where there's no return on
627
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,550
investment. It's just purely for
the like, enjoyment. That's like
628
00:36:44,579 --> 00:36:49,260
Enough. Enough of like a return
on investment. Yeah. Okay, cool.
629
00:36:49,619 --> 00:36:54,000
Anything else you want?
I think that'll end us for
630
00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:57,599
today. sunsetting. The
chilliness is coming a little
631
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:57,929
bit at the moment as well. So
yeah, you're
632
00:36:58,230 --> 00:37:01,860
gonna get like a significant
chunk. And it was I was like,
633
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:06,150
no, no, I was really mad. That's
what I needed to spinny shorts
634
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:11,760
on. Flex you would not actually
watching. So I'm literally
635
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:18,000
wearing red beanie glasses.
Decent. If you got a decent
636
00:37:15,059 --> 00:37:20,369
podcast app, you will see a
picture of what one's wearing
637
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,119
what I'm wearing. Yeah, on your
screen at the moment,
638
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,219
you'll be able to see it and be
like, Oh, Okay, gotcha. This is
639
00:37:23,219 --> 00:37:25,710
different. It's different
between me and current. So what
640
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:28,590
I want temperatures right now
probably like 17 degrees. But
641
00:37:29,099 --> 00:37:31,349
look it up. I think I'll
probably be wearing what you'd
642
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:34,289
be wearing. If it was 10 degrees
out. 11 degrees out? That'd
643
00:37:34,289 --> 00:37:39,449
probably be my outfit of choice.
Wait. So I'm wearing what you
644
00:37:39,449 --> 00:37:42,090
would be? Yes. Like, yeah, if it
was like 1011 degrees?
645
00:37:42,449 --> 00:37:45,780
Yeah, pretty much going on since
1970. And 16. So run that
646
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:49,889
summer, we will have that. Yeah.
So a couple of recommendations
647
00:37:49,889 --> 00:37:53,489
from here from me. We have been
talking a lot about the value
648
00:37:53,489 --> 00:37:56,219
for value, and in particular,
the booster grabbing but this
649
00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:59,550
couple of things we've been
neglecting recently one. So the
650
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:02,670
value for value is time, talent
and treasure. We've been talking
651
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:06,869
about the treasure a fair bit,
but some time and some talent
652
00:38:06,869 --> 00:38:09,480
stuff that people could do,
which would be very helpful is
653
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,389
sharing the podcast would be
nice to be able to share this
654
00:38:12,389 --> 00:38:16,110
with more people get more people
joining the live chat on Sunday
655
00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:22,260
evenings, which we do every
obviously. There's Yeah, just
656
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:26,460
being able to sort of, I'm
focusing a bit more on on
657
00:38:26,489 --> 00:38:29,309
expanding the podcast out to
more people at the moment. So
658
00:38:29,579 --> 00:38:32,760
yeah, recommend other
recommendations. If you enjoy
659
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,360
video, we've got video up on
YouTube, like little shorts
660
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:41,010
sections as well. So there's
plenty of places for to continue
661
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,980
for us. And however you want to
share any of them sharing a
662
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:46,860
clip, telling your friends all
of those sorts of things share
663
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:51,329
that value portion would be very
much appreciated. And yeah, we
664
00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:54,000
hope you've enjoyed the value
got from this podcast learning
665
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,610
about buddy chimps and crazy
people.
666
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,170
Go check out go go go watch it.
I think I'd recommend people to
667
00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:04,260
watch it. Kind of like fast
forward past the initial stages
668
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,139
like you'll see it I just see
like how she lived just out in
669
00:39:07,139 --> 00:39:09,869
like the wilderness basically
for six years. So it just seems
670
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:14,309
like just so beyond reason to
me, but to see another human
671
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,909
like an actual human do that.
Like wow, okay. This seems odd
672
00:39:17,909 --> 00:39:20,579
to me. But obviously, there's a
level of dedication that I just
673
00:39:20,579 --> 00:39:22,230
will never have in that regard.
Yeah, for
674
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:25,590
sure. And in terms of Chapter
images, you know, a lot of times
675
00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:30,090
we will forget names of
particular things. When I'm re
676
00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:33,090
editing that in the post
production, time to maximum,
677
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,460
make it a little bit higher
quality, sometimes add a note,
678
00:39:35,489 --> 00:39:39,000
I'll definitely have her name
appearing somewhere there and
679
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,630
probably the Lucy documentary so
you can see it. So if you've got
680
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:46,050
a decent podcasting app, which
supports chapters, so some of
681
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:50,400
these would be things like
podres, like curio caster like
682
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,380
fountain actually quite a lot of
them do podcast addict as well.
683
00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:59,789
I need to actually go through
all of them has breez. All of
684
00:39:59,789 --> 00:40:02,699
these Also once support those so
yeah definitely worth checking
685
00:40:02,699 --> 00:40:05,699
that out and
if you're watching the video
686
00:40:03,329 --> 00:40:09,030
that obviously appearing on your
screen as well so correct and
687
00:40:05,699 --> 00:40:11,670
even better from always saying
because there's quickly had a
688
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:15,269
little look just be like okay,
exactly what's the name? And
689
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:17,699
Jane was the name of the wife
who originally raised it. I
690
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:24,239
don't think his name is Jane.
Something something's like
691
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,550
getting to me right now being
like, I think maybe they're both
692
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:30,869
cool James I'm like dude, I
remember being like, Jane but oh
693
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:33,300
man. Well after that we'll have
to enter it's called Lucy the
694
00:40:30,869 --> 00:40:38,429
human chip, so it's gonna get
good Lucy the human. The story
695
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:40,980
was right. Old names and years
probably incorrect. Yeah. Wasn't
696
00:40:38,429 --> 00:40:47,760
remembering everything apart from
everything. Wherever the home
697
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:50,940
was live, but the story about
maybe not a lie. Just misguided
698
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:54,659
wasn't necessarily her name
wasn't Lucy. It was actually
699
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:56,849
like now. More or less. We're
gonna leave it there. Thank you
700
00:40:54,659 --> 00:40:57,960
very much. Hope you well,
wherever you are in the world.
701
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,920
Juan out Kyrin out.
