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In Episode #487 of Mere Mortals 'Musings', Juan and I discuss: the stark differences in gym availability and fitness facilities of Australia vs the rest of the world, dilapidated gyms in Montenegro & well-equipped calisthenic parks in South America, the prevalence of gyms even in regional areas, whether Australia's high gym membership rates translate to a healthier population, statistics of obesity and Olympic medals per capita plus the potential economic benefits of a healthier population.

Timeline:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:15) Fitness Culture In Australia
(00:04:08) Travel Stories & Gym Experiences
(00:09:58) Comparing Global Fitness Cultures
(00:16:20) Sporting Facilities & Accessibility
(00:26:13) Australia's Sporting Passion
(00:29:50) International Surprises
(00:38:32) Boostagram Lounge
(00:40:12) Olympics Medals Per Capita
(00:45:10) Health & Economic Impacts
(00:54:00) Obesity Rates and Fitness Metrics
(01:00:07) Summary & Future Topics

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[00:00:06] Kyrin Down:

Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the mere mortals musings. We are live here on the July 27. Correct.   2025   in the 9AM  

[00:00:18] Juan Granados:

live, as I mentioned. Come join us sometime. Australian Eastern Standard Time. You have Kyrin here on this side. You've got Juan on the other side. Yes. I'm just making sure that my audio is coming through in a lovely way here on the podcast.   Little brilliant. Right. Mixed trailer side. Yep. And  

[00:00:32] Kyrin Down:

so this is we're back to our musings episodes. So after a period of meanderings, which are a bit more of the lighthearted   as a we have a general topic, I guess, but we would not particularly investigate as deeply   as we do normally effective philosophy. So this is things that you can adapt and use in your everyday life. I was trying to explain this to someone last night, the effective philosophy tag.   And today we're going to be talking about the fitness culture in Australia.   We hinted at this last week, because of our complaining   about the lack of gyms   overseas.  



[00:01:07] Juan Granados:

We noticed in our recent travels. So actually, there was one that I forgot to mention about   last week. So I might actually give you this example.   And then we can we can kick it off. This will be this will be a bit more of a lighthearted one. But there's there's been some research that Karan has has done and I've done a little bit as well. So that'll be interesting. So,   excuse   me, Croatia, no? Montenegro.   We're Montenegro.   It was a Thailand of our travels in Europe. So like the fifth week,   I felt like going to the gym,   the   individual that led us into the accommodation that we were staying at, she was a very fit looking lady. And I asked her, Oh, do you train? Do you go for a run? She goes, Oh, no, I go to the gym. I go to the local gym. And I went, cool. And she the way that she spoke about it,   demonstrated maybe some passion or some energy for it.  

And so I went, okay, cool. Where is it? So it's just down by the moon. Right? It's pretty close by here. Awesome. I thought,   that's not very far away from where we were staying. I'll take a bit of a look.   Maybe I'll go in for a session.   We walked by it maybe that day or the day after.   And I walked by it and it was shit. You know, there's like exactly what it was. There was a sign,   origin.   However, it was in a house.   The house was   either   about to fall down or it must have just been like building it up or renovating or some kind, but there was no fencing. There was no clear signs that it was being done professionally. So I would probably earn the side that this house was like collapsing   and it was in the basement. So the the sign wasn't up high. It was down kind of like my ground level with an arrow pointing down to a   darkened hollow area that there wasn't even a door. It was just like an archway of darkness down there. In the den. And it's at just like gym. Now, I didn't go. I did not go into the gym.  

Might have been better for the story if I'd like going in and actually like seeing what it was like. So were you were you did you have your all your stuff planned? Like were you in No, I know.   I was purely just walking by because we're going somewhere else around the area and I just thought, oh, it's there. Let's just look at it. And by in my initial sight, I went, this does not look like a very appealing, even for me that I like maybe like dungen y. I thought that would be up here. This looked like dilapidated,   like really terrible dilapidated type of gym. So  

[00:03:28] Kyrin Down:

that's another example perhaps of what I've seen. Sure. This is not a gym where it's fiftyfifty you're gonna get, you know,  

[00:03:34] Juan Granados:

Like a rusty nail. Yeah,   yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that Tetanus. Look, some of it would excite me. There's   gotta be some level of cleanliness and equipment that goes along with it. And I didn't think this was gonna give me that. So that's another example of why I probably wanted to talk   about how good are the gyms oversee or not just gyms. What's the fitness   culture in general overseas compared to here? Yeah, yeah, for sure.  

[00:03:57] Kyrin Down:

I think a good way of sectioning this off and I hear one coughing. I've also got a slight   tickle in my throat as well. So winter here in Australia, getting sick everywhere.   The probably do the more subjective,   fun travel stories, things like that. Starting off and then after the boot scram launch, we'll we can get into perhaps some hard data showing   about Stick around for the actual fiction or like proper truth and reality. And yeah, well, that's subjective. As you're in reality in the in the subjective stuff as well. So, I mean, I've got   plenty of observations from traveling.  

So what I was doing whilst traveling   this last time was I was actively trying to   do two days a week of of handstands.   So and one of those days would have a calisthenics   component with pull ups. And so I needed essentially   a bar and a set of parallel bars and key bars to be able to train them. And then I do I could do legs and abs just on my own doing pistol squats and things. So   I would   keep it into consideration probably one of the four or five factors whilst selecting where I'm going to go or   I already knew where I was going to go where I was going to stay in a particular city. So I would have a look calisthenicparks.com   very old and good resource. Yeah, I'm talking old as   I reckon this website has not changed since 02/2003.  

Okay, wow. Okay. It's, it's   old. It's got the, you know, it's got this map system that's based on I don't know, whatever was before Google Maps, but like five iterations before that. That's the map system. We prepare.   And, you can go in there and it shows you calisthenics parks and some photos that people have manually uploaded and taken of these parks.   And so that's that's a pretty good resource to just kind of check out where roughly a park might be.   And I would then take into consideration of cost   reviews of of a hotel or hostel   closeness proximity to a calisthenic park was pretty high up there as well. And then proximity to a train station or,   you know, if I was traveling by train, so all of those would kind of factor in.  

And   I was   surprised   at being able to find a decent amount of calisthenic parts.   But you also have to take into account serendipity   of   finding one randomly, which you weren't expecting,   which I did find in Florence, for example, just   walking through a random park and there was   a set of bars there. I'm like, there's   I want to say perfect. It wasn't perfect. The council day parks in Australia are better,   mostly just because we actually have grounding on it. These places were built on sand pits,   on dirt, on grass.   We at least have a rubber matting or concrete in in most places we're at, which is   it's a slight improvement. And   the you might be going like, oh, you're being you're being nitpicky, Kyren. But this is where I'm also going, okay, but there was almost zero gyms in these places. They had a lot of   fitness centers in Germany, for example, it was all advertised as a fitness center. So   think of   you'd have, you know, remedial massages and you'd have tanning saloons, you'd have   saunas of various sorts, cold plunges and things like that.  

And then there would be   a gym attached, but a very   sterile sort of places, whatever. Yeah. That was there wasn't a lot of character to these places, very   whitewashed walls and   everything was   too clean.   Looks like that hadn't been used. Yeah. So   I as I was traveling through just in general,   my friends in Vipin, our friend   is barely a friend anymore. He won't even catch up.   Like is   off. Don't get me started.   He,   he was telling me about the,   options available in London, for example.   Crazy expensive. Yep. And   just a lack   of of,   I guess, variety as well. Because in Australia,   we've got the CrossFit boxes, we've got the,   you know, cheap and dirty gyms, the good lives and  

[00:08:23] Juan Granados:

lifestyle gyms, plenty of time and jets and stuff. Yeah.  

[00:08:27] Kyrin Down:

We've got the the fitness centers, I guess the wellness centers. This could be   I wouldn't call soak   up there, but it's, you know, total fusion certainly has it where it's   a large component is the health factor related. You know, you go there for recovery sessions and things like this.   You've got the, you know, real   specific training gyms for gymnastics and things like this.   F45s   which and what's what's the one that you and   fits up it stops which   are closer to I don't know how you describe that it's a gym but it's also small group class gym classes and things like that. So   yeah, there's   I feel a lot more variety   in general. And then I've seen   most other places, perhaps The US could compete.  

You might know this a bit better than I do. So I haven't I've only spent a little bit but   certainly across Europe recently, I was very disappointed   by the options and Latin America   was I don't I don't recall seeing them. I feel like in Australia, you can just walk around and you'll see gyms whereas  

[00:09:36] Juan Granados:

I don't really remember seeing. Yeah. Look, this is my like subjective take as opposed to really too direct, but I'm sure I reckon a lot of data, if you look this up, would be able to find it. And you would know this as well.   Here in Australia,   whether you are, so you might be thinking, okay, well, yes, if you're at a city,   at a busy location where there's a lot of people, sure, you're going to find lots of gyms. And yes, here in Australia, and at least expand it, not just gyms. Here in Australia, you find the   wellness, the Cali parks,   swimming pools,   areas to, you know, move and play. There's a ton load of them. In fact,   here where we're living at the moment, Brisbane could be Sydney, Melbourne. When you pull up the map and you go gyms around Marriott, there's just a ton load from   the cheap all the way to the expensive. But I guess in even in just general Australia regional centers as well, you will find some of those sort of like super days, you'll find big gyms too. So I'm just thinking something like, where's Steven at the moment that he travels to?  

In Camden?   No. He's close to Bundaberg. Oh, sorry. Bundaberg. So Bundaberg has a gigantic world gym, like a massive world gym out there. And you'd might think   like, damn, that population is,   I don't know, a fraction of what some of the city centers are here in Australia, but they still have that. They still have smaller gyms now.   Yes, the distance to get to those gyms is pretty significant. Sometimes like half an hour,   but at least for an Australian perspective,   living in a regional area, you're driving quite a bit anyways, most of the time, so that's not   too different for them.  

But I guess the view is   if I compare that to Europe,   where I was in   plenty of city centers,   the   not that I ever travel looking for a gym or looking for a fitness space to use. I've I'll seldom really train when I'm I'm holidaying, to be frank.   But   kind of similar to what Vipin must have said around London, I think other places is there are these   more high class, high costing   areas of space that do have some of the fitness, available. But again, that's a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of people.   Most of the if you stay at hotels,   they seemed like they had some sort of   fitness availability, but again it's   minor, like really minor. Again, if I compared it to what I find here in Australia,   it's either the same or worse in on average.  

Independent of, like, how much you're paying or what type of luxury it is. It's just either it meets it or it's below. So it's not the equivalent.   I saw this through   Asia a little bit as well, where   it wasn't as bad as Europe. So   Taiwan, I remember seeing quite a few gyms, and they didn't look too bad.   Places like Hong Kong,   Japan,   I think, had a couple of, like, spaces for   movement, for fitness. It did have more gyms. So I feel like just Europe was pretty terrible on all fronts for that. I feel like a lot of Asian countries   do have a little bit more of that. Again, I wouldn't compare it to the level Australia has, but it had   more so,   especially outdoor stuff. I remember in Thailand   walking around near a either it was like a school or a stadium   and there was a full outdoor gym   that used the   you know, when you see like those videos of Africans   using   like barbells and rocks on the side and whatever, they had that, they had one of those things and you could like do barbell curls and pull ups and military press with things and that like preloaded up rock weights. I was like, that's cool. So they had stuff like that.  

South America because I can't come in. You can probably come in. Yeah, there's  

[00:13:16] Kyrin Down:

a decent amount in Medellin. For example,   I found probably my favorite   Cali Park, which was exact almost exactly what you're describing, but they had actual plates with   chains attached to it. So it felt full ghetto. Wow. Because you're clanking these chains around as well. Yep. And the chains were   it was a surprisingly decent system   considering Colombia   still has this vibe of a bit of dangerous bit of you can't leave your stuff out otherwise it'll get stolen things like this.   So I was rather impressed that they had these   these areas. Now   to do the flip side, and we're talking just about gyms, I want to get on to sports in a moment.  

The flip side of this is like, you guys are just in the city, you're not giving it the   respect that they deserve, perhaps. And   I think there's a little bit of a truth to this because   when I would go out of my way to find more sporting areas, so in Medellin, for example, if you go near the   I think it was like the stadium there.   It was it was kind of like stadiums that had a whole big section.   So   they would have the stadium for like one of the Medellin football teams, but then they would also have a running track there, the swimming center there.   That was the area where they would close it off on Sundays, the roads around it.  

So you could do like these big loops of   running, I did 10 ks's just randomly in Medellin, I remember doing that nice. And   very similar thing was in Munich. So I went to the   Olympia Park. The whole suburb is called Olympia Park. So it gives you an indication. And yeah, that was where they had just the big areas where you could have the calisthenic park   of a small lake. So you could do like rowing or stand up paddle boarding,   a football stadium as a swimming center. So perhaps it's just   Australia's bit more spread out in a lot of cases. So you can have   gyms   all around the spots or   we've got the Suncorp Stadium in this one section.  

And then if you come to the Brisbane Olympics   two thousand and thirty two, you'll probably notice this there's   all the things are spread out. There's the Gabba, but it doesn't really have any other things associated with it really nearby. Well, aren't they building a new stadium anyways? Maybe. Yeah, we'll see.   The Chandler Swimming Center is far off. It's it's closer to the Wyndham area. So you've got all of these things, but they're just spread out a lot more. Whereas perhaps in other cities where they don't have as much space or other countries that have as much space as us,   they tend to just conglomerate everything together. So   this is where I, I didn't do any research of how many gyms are there   per,   you know, population density, for example.  



[00:16:14] Juan Granados:

And maybe they're all just in like one area of the city, and that's where everyone goes. Well, if so, extremely inconvenient. Well, then I put that up pulled up and I just bring some of the statistics that I did look at was on average across the world, the   population percentage who have a gym membership is 19%.   In Australia, it's 32%.  

[00:16:33] Kyrin Down:

Wow. That was the the number. How how one is it? Absolutely accurate that is. I'm not I'm not certain. And, you know, that's   that doesn't necessarily mean people go to them as well. You could just have a membership   and you sign up in January and  

[00:16:46] Juan Granados:

you know. Yeah, what I'm interested, I mean what I'm interested because this is something that we don't know, right? Obviously having lived in Australia for a long time and yes, we've traveled and experienced   some of the the varying   modes and ways of people live. So I'll give you an example of North America. For sure, there there's a strong particular gym culture if you live in, say, LA. There's, you know, the people who go to that sort of,   Muscle Beach style. There's others obviously on a more high end,   level. And there's a   maybe by state or by city, there's that aspect. There would probably be a different aspect if you're living in New York. Right? It's probably, again, really high end style of fitness. Perhaps there's like a boxing   subset as well. So all of them are gonna have this up to it. This is not,   you know, unique to Australia or unique to other places. It's just this sort of exists broadly.  

But one thing I guess, objectively,   I see it as, like, Australia wide,   we have this culture in the fitness space or the gym space that kind of goes across everywhere.   So I'll put it out there right now. I'm not sure if there's other countries or places that have something like this that it's so pervasive to the society. If there is,   tell me, send me a boostgram comment as we're talking about here because it'd be interested to know. Like, again, we don't know about that, but I'll give you a couple of examples. One,   trades.  

There's, like, a very particular   trade y going to the gym, trade y fitness sort of aspect where it's either, like, super early in the morning or super late at night. Yeah. And you can see it. You can see the congregation of I I tend to see the really early morning people where it's, you know, the tradies who come in, get in the gym session before going to work or alternatively, I've seen it sometimes in the evening where they'll come in Yeah. Really nice. I see them knocking off after work and coming in in high vis. Yep. So that's like   and that's across Australia, right? And that's not as specific to any particular city or location. That's what you'll tend to see.  

Another one I guess from that I see is like that after school youth. I don't know if across the world this is a general thing that also occurs but   for the large part, again, usually the males 15, 16, 17, 18 year olds maybe all the way to 20, they'll come in in their group after school or after, you know, early knock off or something like that and they're all in there and it's between   whatever   4PM all the way through to 10PM and there's a reason why the gym gets really busy at around those times obviously people are knocking off from work and whatever but it's very common to see a group of guys coming in getting in the training and it's usually   big group of guys. I've never seen a big group of girls come for a training session. No, I've I'll see two or three. I'll see many groups of two or three. Yeah, that's that's that's pretty common. But again, across Australia, I like four four or five guys. I participated in that. I remember going after school or after uni. We'd go in there with a group of islanders and would go in there and train and it was hours of training. So like I was part of it. I've seen it before. So that that's another thing.  

Then,   again,   this is probably,   this is probably not not unique as much, but it's, like, again, the the condensation of you've got your your power lifters and you see them all all over in different places or you have the the specific niches for a power lifter or like a CrossFit box and all that. I think that's general across the world. You'll be able to find all those different domains.   I would probably say the fact that here in Australia, in general, we are   more   on average, who knows if it is correct, but on average from a for a country, we're probably the closest   on average to a beach and most other place in the world. Yeah. Now maybe there's some out there like that you are on average closer, but there's just so much beach and so much people here   that we do tend to have a beach summer loving, you know, sun's out, guns out type of mentality. I have heard that exact saying from someone from California, though it sounds like guns out, so it's not unique. But I would say on average, there's a lot more individuals across Australia, just on average,   that have this culture of, oh, summer's coming. We gotta be ready. We might go down to the beach. It's gonna be warm. You're gonna have your shirt off. So I think that's another thing that I'm not certain that's   another country has in its totality. I wouldn't say The US has that mentality because there's probably people in Minnesota that don't think that in comparison to California or Florida. But here in Australia, you I reckon you'd find that type of mentality in every state. Even down in Tasmania, I reckon you'd find something like that.  

Gym weird places that have fantastic gyms, they are,   someone went down to Tassie and they went to go train down there. I'll just try to find a gym. And it was middle of no, it wasn't middle of winter. It was like coming into winter and they found this   huge gym in the middle of basically like nowhere. It was on the outskirts, I believe, of Launceston   and it was just like amazing with every single thing you'd probably like think or need.   That seems to pop up in all States as well that I can think of. Okay. Sure. You might not see it in just like random regional locations here in Australia,   but there does weirdly seem to be just like amazing great gyms in all locations. And again, if I had to compare that to other places in the world,   more specifically North America, I've seen that in   some States and some places, but not all over the place. So I think that's another one that's like unique, it's that culture where you'll tend to find like a really great gym for whatever you need, and basically any location without   without fail unless it's like a really remote location. Yeah. When that  

[00:22:08] Kyrin Down:

connects with the sporting culture in general, I think.   And it's kind of funny, because   I'd say we have a strong sporting culture, yet it's not fanatical.   So for example,   the   the football games and things like this, sure you get people who are very passionate,   but they're not   riding   flair type passions. If they are, they're probably more   like the Greek imports.   Like   that's, that's like,   I remember seeing   I think it was like a Sydney   Sydney Wanderers game. So it's a league   and the soccer   those   those wondering because I'll talk about our footballs in a second.   And yeah, you see like the fan section and that was where they smuggled in some flares and stuff like that. And it was just all   Greeks. It was just all Greeks.  

They were doing that. So   the thing is, so listing off, I think I looked this up a few years ago, so it might be slightly out of date, but most popular sports in Australia,   based on   attendance   at games slash viewership on TV,   would be Australian Football League,   Rugby League,   I believe,   cricket or rugby union are in third and fourth.   And then I think,   Australian   soccer football   is probably in about fifth place, something like that.   I know the youth participation   in soccer is the is pretty strong, but then it tends to   fan out after that.  

The   and so those are, you know,   the five sports there, the four of them almost completely useless,   and not played anywhere else in the world, essentially,   which is   similar to I guess, when you think of   United States where they've got their   the basketball,   the   things like lacrosse,   NFL,   they're very particular to their   country. And it's not   you're not playing NFL in the Olympics, for example, You're not playing,   Australian   Football League, AFL in the Olympics.   So you've got these kind of like niche sports, which are the most popular,   but then   the general population still seems to be very sporty. And I think the beach culture does make a difference.  

There's an anecdotal one.   I might have talked about this before.   Me and my family on Christmas, we used to go to the Gold Coast in the mornings and we'd kind of go to the beach, get McDonald's for breakfast.   Yeah, it was like random ass tradition. I don't know how we did that. And   the   I remember just going one Christmas a couple of years ago.   And   just being astounded. It was probably seven 8AM something like that.   It's it is working.   The so much just random   people   running,   swimming,   cycling   on Christmas Day,   very early.   And getting after it. They weren't just going for a light jog or something. No, they were pounding pavement,   hitting pbs,   and getting angry because people were getting in the way sort of deal. Just just absolutely like beelining it. And I was just going, Wait, What are you doing on Christmas Day? This is crazy.  

And I think that's just kind of the   epitome of a lot of the Australian sporting culture. It's you've it's a participatory one as well. I don't think   maybe people.   Oh, no, actually, I was going to say we don't live through our sports as much as   other people do.   But that being said, I was on a plane   coming my last plane trip from Sydney to Brisbane after coming home and I was next to two random people who'd obviously just met this guy and the girl,   early forties, I'd say both of them more or less. And they talked about rugby league for the whole plane ride two hours straight.   And   it's just really random stuff as well. Like, oh, Cameron Haynes, like when we lost him, he's just such a motivator for the boys. You know, he's he's just talking about, you know, psychology of some random guy and how. Yeah, that's that's that's that's not dissimilar to how they talk about it in NFL or baseball  

[00:26:40] Juan Granados:

or basketball. It'd be the same thing. I think that's, that's very. These two people were living through these people 100%.  

[00:26:45] Kyrin Down:

But that's, you know, that's perhaps one of the downsides of having a sporting culture as well is that you   live through your teams,   and   these two people were rather unfit.   So,   so yeah, that's, that's   perhaps a downside of it as well. And this is probably   a   I remember   when I was a kid,   so   early teen years,   there was a statistic that Australia was the most obese country in the world would overtake in America. And I remember that. And   let's go like,   surely that's can't be right. Like, are we that fat? Are we that crazy?   And because when I look around, I don't really see   many   severely obese people   other than one because his BMI  

[00:27:36] Juan Granados:

is technically in the obese category. But we're making we're making what that's true. Actually, that is true. Correct. Sorry. I was actually going to just slam me and chill actually, at that point, but no, Greg, my BMI would put me at Yeah, obese level. So so I think perhaps when you get to the older,  

[00:27:51] Kyrin Down:

let's say I would have said like Australian youth up until 40. You know, the younger generations   are fit play a lot of sports and things like that. Probably   we don't have the European lifestyle   after that, which is you walk around a lot. We don't walk that much because   Australia is so big. Everyone has cars. So you're not walking everywhere.   There is the I guess, like, the beer sort of aspect where we drink a lot. So probably when you're getting into your lady years, I've noticed this for my dad, he drinks a lot more now than he used to be. And he used to play a lot of tennis. So he was always very slim.   I wouldn't.  

Yeah, I'd call him fit. Not not strong. He never went to the gym or anything, but he was fit. Now that he's gotten older can't play tennis, even his golf is suffering. So he's not walking that much with golf. And he's got a cart. So he uses that a lot of time. He's   Yeah, he's got a bit of a belly. He's got a bit of a pouch on him. Up it down. Up it down.   It's not looking so good. Oh, no. And so   I think this is probably where you'd maybe say, oh, this is where that statistic came from, where   the once you're over 50, over 60,   we perhaps let ourselves go a lot. And that might be   part of the culture of not having the lighter foods   of not having the siestas and the walking around a lot like a lot of the Europeans do. And perhaps our foods   are heavier. They're good if you are very exercise heavy in your youth and then maybe your body's a bit broken from doing that. And I know quite a few people who are already broken in their thirties.  

And   that's   the I think an indication that perhaps the   the fitness culture is   a bit of a detriment in that it's very good when you're when you're young, you're healthy, maybe you take it a little bit too far. And then when you get into your older years, you just  

[00:29:49] Juan Granados:

that stuff.   Actually, it's good for you. So   I was out on a broad scale,   the the the culture of fitness or or gyms or just sport in general in Australia,   it kind of prevails for me. I really enjoyed on an average. If you had to take the average of all, you know, because I I can't say to a specific of a US, it's like if you take the whole US as a whole, if you take all of Australia as a whole. I take the average of Australia as a whole from a fitness culture perspective, I needed to and being like, yeah, Objectively, I really like it for that or whatever reasons.   But of all the places that you've experienced or all the,   go specific, like fitness or sporting culture or gym culture or whatever culture, which one or what   circumstance made you go like, oh, wow, that was like the best I've ever experienced of   that type, whatever that type looks like. Overseas or Overseas, here, if it's here. I'll give you an example while if while you think about it. So my example is   the absolute best I've ever seen something like gym culture has been in The USA. I'll give you two two examples. One was,   in LA no. Not LA. Sorry. Vegas.  

I stayed in   Vegas in 2014.   I believe it's 2014.   And the accommodation that we were staying at was the Luxor Hotel. Yes. The Luxor Hotel already is a pretty old kind of gym,   kind of gym, kind of old hotel,   but that one even then had a really gigantic gym, like a really huge gym   that would have been even beyond   gyms that you see around here and it was just free, like it was part of the hotel.   There were other hotels that had even better gyms that were there. There is in in Orszagas specifically, there's a bodybuilder specific type gyms, not just one, there's multiple of them. And there's others kind of dotted around The USA, which I would say from a   gym culture is like, wow, this is,   you know, gigantic gyms with the best sort of equipment,   the right   energy and vibe to them as well. Because one of the examples I was gonna say that there are some in Dubai, in The United Arab Emirates that are like the o two gyms that are humongous and massive. I don't know. I don't know. At least from videos, it doesn't seem like it's got the the energy that you'd want, But I've been to a lot of The USA that are like, wow. The energy is amazing. You wanna train there. There's lots of either known people or people who've gone through those spaces that make you be like, oh, yeah. This is really cool. So I've never come across a gym in Australia. That's the equivalent to that. You know, if you're going all the way to the Luxe gyms all the way down to your cheap ass gyms, nothing's really come close to that. So I was like, okay, that's for me would be like the epitome of what I've seen   and   that's, you know,   a year ago or something, I had parts like, oh, that would be such a cool idea to try to bring, to try to implement.  

The other reason I would also say that is Chris Williamson, when he came to Brizzy   last year,   I got into a conversation with him and he was asking me what what's a cool bodybuilding,   you know, like   type of gym like they have over in The USA.   And I kind of came to the realization there wasn't actually one in Brisbane. Like there isn't anything in Brisbane that would have been the equivalent.   The only one that really I could think about was kind of, again, in the outskirts would be like forty minute gym, drive. He ended up going to total fusion or a workout. And again, that's not that exact sort of like bodybuilding.  

[00:33:13] Kyrin Down:

That's a that's a total  

[00:33:16] Juan Granados:

influencer, Jim. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm an influencer, by the way. So, you know, there there there is a clear example of probably someone who's been to a a whole load of places.   And   I couldn't come up with a really good suggestion of a place to go here in Brisbane where I'll, you know, I love and I do like train around here, but there wasn't an equivalent to kind of say, oh, yeah, you should go to that. Whereas I think in The States, in particular areas, you can really be like,   oh, go to this one. Like that's freaking amazing. And now when you do it, you've got like the history, the energy, the good equipment, the right people, all of that. But it's only in certain areas. If you average it across The US, I think that that wouldn't be the case at all. Sure. Sure.  

[00:33:54] Kyrin Down:

What comes to mind for me was just the couple instances in Colombia I saw   of these real mass organized events   where it was kind of a free for all. And so this is where I'm talking about that close the roads around the stadium.   I believe in Bogota   on select days,   they actually   they'll actually close the   highway that leads to the airport   for sections.   So like really screws you up if you're trying to catch a plane or something because you need to take like   a diverted route.   And   that that's like a real unique experience where you can, you've got the this whole massive just think six lane roads,   free to yourself. So there's people   skateboarding, there's people running as people like rollerblading,   you know, out with their prams pushing kids along.  

That that's a real atmosphere. I really enjoy that.   It's not particularly a sporting event, but everyone's doing fitness related activities.   And   it's very short, unique thing you can do on a weekend. I think that's really cool. And I really enjoyed that. Once again, that's a very unique place because they could block these roads around a stadium and it's not affecting you know, it's not affecting anyone who lives there because   sure, maybe if you're on the other side of it, but   stuff those people who cares.   So   that that's probably what comes to mind for me the most.  

The other thing I guess I noticed whilst traveling Europe though was   so I saw the women's FA Cup semifinal   in   sorry, the final in London, or the random day that I was there, I got invited   a day before it happened, because some   Nick actually monster from   fountain had a spare ticket shout out to fountain. Thank you. And button ticket.   That's good v for v right there.   When I was in Germany,   they   saw the Bundesliga   last game I think happened just the week before   women. In Germany, they had the   was it Euro finals for men.   And so  

[00:36:17] Juan Granados:

I was just bombarded. Yeah, I'd say just  

[00:36:21] Kyrin Down:

a big event, big sporting events. And then this was just the football, let alone everything else was going on. Yeah. And so that was certainly   had   a bit more of a feel of, oh, man, there's there's these big events going on. And for me, it's like, wow, that's like the Euro finals, like this international   event happening.   And I could go watch these things if I if I so desired.   Whereas   that Australia is just so far, you don't get those   big things where it's   30 different countries all competing for something in, you know, we'll have the Olympics,   we'll have the Olympics, that'll be big in 02/1932.  

But aside from that, you know, you if you want a big sporting event, you probably need to go to Asia   to   witness, you know,   the Asian,   what is it like the Asian Cup, for example, in,   in football,   you need to go elsewhere.   So that that's probably what springs to mind is just because we're so far from things you you're not going to get these big  

[00:37:24] Juan Granados:

real big multi kind of cultural events. Yeah. Happening here. True. That's right. Yeah. We are a little island off the off to the side of the world. Little island. Little island. I think we jump into the the boost of grim land something that we want to decide.   Absolute stats.   I was gonna say just a quick aside as I I pulled this up, there was a guy that I used to work with at Hastings Deering.   Mhmm.   He was a ref,   referee in the soccer world. Yeah. He refereed the World Cup.   Was it the PSG game? Oh, the He was the referee for that World Cup. The the one verse that's not World Cup. Was it  

[00:38:00] Kyrin Down:

the  

[00:38:01] Juan Granados:

Champions League final? No. It's not the Champions League final. Oh, sorry. The Club World Cup. That's what the club World Cup. Yeah. He refereed the final of the Club World Cup. Oh, cool. Oh, very cool. Nice. Was he was he the main guy or was he one of the first. I can't remember if he was the main or the side,   but he's very cool dude.  

[00:38:18] Kyrin Down:

Regardless. So I actually met someone who   works with you at, I think Hastings Earring of Virgin not so long ago.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, Oh, yeah, I remember that.  

[00:38:32] Juan Granados:

All right, let's go into the Boostagram Lounge. And again, Boostgram Lounge is our chance to call out people who've been supporting us and sending us through some Boostgrams. Boostgrams is an ability to send   some fractional Bitcoin in the form of Satoshi. A message attached if you so choose to as well. We can call out these streams that come through. Although we do see them. Although we do see them, so thank you very much. Late blue matter and and I would like to call out these boostagrams to come through. So   what I've got here is from Cole. Mhmm. Mr. McCormick. South Of Kyron will be making an annual Florence trip. I don't think so. I don't think so. That's 1111   Samsung using fountain.  

There's a That's not happening. Rock Lloyd, if I guess streams have come through there from the late bloomer actor,   on the same actual podcast. Big   streams as well. So I really appreciate. Thank you very much.  

[00:39:21] Kyrin Down:

I don't know. That's that's it. Yeah, that's that's it. Thank you. No, Cole, I will not be doing an annual Florence trip. That's   not on the cards. No, no.   But I would recommend if you're together for two days, two or three days if you're just to visit it. Explore it. See it. See it. See David if you want. And I didn't even go out to see David.   I'm a bad traveler.  

[00:39:44] Juan Granados:

Do you reckon it would have changed anything about it though? Absolutely.  

[00:39:48] Kyrin Down:

There's a there's literally a replica in the main town square so you can go see that. So I saw the replica. Okay. Multiple times. Yeah, I guess I would give you enough honestly. Unless I think unless you were a real aficionado  

[00:40:00] Juan Granados:

for  

[00:40:02] Kyrin Down:

that time period of that original or I would have spent a lot of time in crowds and lines.   I've seen it. Definitely not. And that's everything to do. No way.   All right. Let's get into the second half of this. Yeah, I think this sounds good. And details. I do see that Lucas as well joining the chat. We'll we'll address that at the end.   So   I did if you're a part of our Discord, you would see   some of these things posted early. So you could get a little sneak peek of what's what's to come.   I was using some   AI this week. And I was using it to actually find out some sporting accomplishments of nations across the world. How does as Australia   go sporting wise, so in particular in the Olympics,   So I've got two two charts here. One was for the Olympic medals per capita.  

So this was both the   winter and summer. And then I did one for just the summer because   we're probably going to do a little bit better with that one is what you would think.   So   did you look at these at all? I did.   Okay, so   the out of the   all the teams, all the countries in the world Australia ranks one million two hundred and thirty four million five hundred and sixty seven thousand eight hundred and ninth in the world in terms of total medals   per capita per capita,   and that we're ranking in the combined as the combined with that's the combined, and that's at 23.8   per per million.  

We are very far off the top ones, which are Norway, when Finland, Sweden, which are like one hundred and eighty five sixty five.   So   those countries, perhaps you'd be saying like, Oh, wow, they're probably the more sporting there. They've got a bigger fitness culture and things like this, however,   which   it still   ranks well for them across the doing just summer as well. That's what really surprised me. So Hungary, Finland, Sweden, Norway,   Switzerland, were still up there. And then we ranked in seventh, I believe, East Germany. So we ran a little bit better. They've got East Germany in here as well. So I don't And then Germany is further down. So yeah, I guess East German   relic from the past sort of deal. So Australia does pretty well.  

Of this.   We are the kind of country with the highest population 26,000,000,   all the ones above us are at   nine, five,   ten, seventeen, things like that. And then by and large, the people below us   are larger. So Great Britain, France,   Italy,   Canada,   United States, etcetera, etcetera. So we're kind of in the sweet spot of   being a,   I'm just gonna say semi large country, I always felt Australia was pretty small with 26,000,000. But now that I think about it, there's a lot of European countries with 4,000,000, 3,000,000. Yeah, exactly.  

[00:42:58] Juan Granados:

I think we do pretty well seventh in the world,  

[00:43:01] Kyrin Down:

sixth in the world, seventh or eighth in the world in terms of Olympic medals across the  

[00:43:07] Juan Granados:

various ones. I wonder   if that number   like that, so the ratio number   is skewed   in how much perhaps those countries like you mentioned Norway, Sweden,   if they support   the potential, like the potential   excellence at a particular sport, so specifically here at the Olympics, if they support them better than other countries and that's what allows   them to become a higher ratio. So what I mean by that is   in Australia,   if you're a swimmer,   you're a swimmer and you're like the top swimmer,   you make some good money, but you get, you make you good money   from advertising and sponsorships. That's how you make your good money. Sure. If you wanna be a professional swimmer, like a world champion swimmer, you're the third and the fourth, you get paid   like pins, like you're barely living doing that.  

And Australia is known for being, I guess, a good swimming country. Like if you, if you just specifically went down to the swimming one, I reckon we'd be in the top three of, you know, percentages in terms of that. But is it because we just have such an abundance and volume of people who swim, who then become really good and so you have more people at the very tippy top?   When I see some of those sort of things, I go, well,   in general   terms, at least for swimming I know this,   Australia does put some support for people who are going up in terms of like the excellence levels and going to world class, but it's very little. It's actually really, really little. I do wonder if places like Norway or those other countries   support those individuals. Maybe there's lesser. Let's just say in Australia, there's a thousand people who could become world level in there. They have a 100 or 50,   but those 50 can be better supported financially to become world champions or to become Olympians or win a gold medal versus what we here in Australia do purely either by the numbers or just what we invest into that sort of thing. So I wonder if that skews what you would   say is,   you know, a true  

[00:45:05] Kyrin Down:

fitness culture or like sporting culture versus just what we decide to put money behind. Yeah, the Olympics are a weird one because there is a prestigious status to it. You know, it's a form of soft power, almost The United States and Canada,   certain states in Canada, United States and China, China, when they compete, it's who's gonna, who's gonna win the most medals out of the two of them, who's gonna get the most gold medals, etc. And   viewing that as almost a  

[00:45:34] Juan Granados:

proxy war. You know, it would be fun. You know, it would be fun. So now that you're saying that. Yeah. And I agree. Like, it's kind of seen as like, who wins the who's got the power in that domain and other domains.   Maybe what we need is like the Olympics.   But instead of just getting like your best swimmer, you go, no, everyone in your country has to swim a 100 meters.   And we'll take the average of that score and we'll compare it to all other countries and then that's how we know Very good. The winning country. Right? So I feel like that would be better. If you did that,   I think Australia would be higher up in a lot of other sporting domains and that's what we tell you truthfully   how we stack up with other countries. That's a good way to weed out all the weak people. That's correct. If you can't turn You don't even get there, yeah, yeah. But imagine So strengthening our gene pool at the same time. Everyone, if you're like a bot for like, imagine if they went like, okay, between, if you're 16 years old to 55 years old, kind of like mandatory   military service,   mandatory every year you have to run a 100 meter race as fast as you can. You have to do every event at the Olympics.  

Yep, every single event. You have to do a decathlon. Everyone has to do a decathlon and we'll just get the average and that will compare everyone across all other countries. I think that's the only way to do it. That seems the most logical and fair way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It probably would be very cheap. I don't think this is the cost much at all to do for all the country. Not at all. It'd be funny because it you know imagine it So obviously a tremendous expense to take everyone out and logistics and planning all over this. But  

[00:47:04] Kyrin Down:

what would you save in health care costs? What would you save in,  

[00:47:09] Juan Granados:

There was a stat. So there was a stat. Starting with this depression because everyone would probably start training for this a little bit. So let me, let me get my, my. Could actually be beneficial. Let me get my numbers correct. Because I actually listened to this at a very recent podcast and I wasn't entirely certain if this was exactly correct, but I'm gonna throw the number out first.   You can think about it and then I'll try and see if I can validate it. But I believe so it was,   it was a conversation with David Sinclair. Do you know David Sinclair? Aussie guy, Aussie  

[00:47:36] Kyrin Down:

guy, Aussie entity. Longevity  

[00:47:38] Juan Granados:

scientist type of guy. He was having a chat with Peter Diamandis on the Moonshot podcast.   Shout out to that podcast man, I'm loving it and just like absolutely consuming the shit out of it, really good podcast. But they were talking about how there was a study done or some sort of science done and I believe it was specific to The US.   And if you extended,   like life by one year, I think it was a $38,000,000,000,000   benefit   to, like, their economy.   And I   was like, what the hell? That seems like so ridiculously huge. But if that was true, if, like, if those numbers actually equate it to something like that, then   it was like so the example that they were trying to say is, you know, forget trying to save money by cutting costs down this, cutting   costs down on that. Again, just   maximize trying to get your people as healthy as possible, free gym memberships, whatever and if that turns out to be true, well then you're making   way more money than you'd actually need just by that pure one, like that increase. Yeah, that's there's there's a lot of financial  

[00:48:39] Kyrin Down:

trickery. I want to do an episode on financial shenanigans again, in terms of some broad scale things. So for example, I was trying to explain to my dad how these Bitcoin Treasury companies and Ether Treasury companies   are working. And   the amount of times I've heard infinite money glitch over the last couple of weeks has been absurd. Infinity money.   Yeah. So   I would like to do that. But the thing with that is, you know, sure, you might save a bunch of money. But how much more are you now paying in pensions per year or superannuation   here in Australia?  

Because   that everyone's living that extra year longer.   That's that's going to be up in the trillions as well. So   yeah, there's there's  

[00:49:22] Juan Granados:

the way they calculate these things. I'm very skeptical of when the numbers Yeah, look, to give you a bit some more facts and I got the number correct. Goddamn, that's an amazing well done one. Out on the back for one. But yeah, it was a So humble. One prominent study from Edinburgh and economists Scott Mulligan and Phillipson.   They estimate that curing aging or adding just one health year of life expectancy would be worth around $37 to $38,000,000,000,000 to The US economy alone. And that's around   reduced healthcare costs, increased productivity and fewer years of disability or frailty.  

So again, yeah, like that conversation, I guess, you know, if you,   I guess we're getting slightly,   sideways, but you know, talking about a fitness culture, a health culture, if it indeed has that much of a positive benefit to just economy in general. Yeah. It makes me think like, damn. If if we're considered like a   a good positive healthy fitness,   high up there in comparison to the world, if we, like, leaned into it more. We had, politicians who are like, you know what? Everybody, free gym memberships,   Cali Parks for all locations,   whatever you wanted from a health perspective,   you know,   and if it does indeed give you that positive side on the economy, like that seems like a no brainer. But I think, yeah, the the devil's in the detail in that potentially there'd be other   changes, circumstances,   maybe something else would occur that you wouldn't actually   see that benefit trickle down through to the economy itself.  



[00:50:48] Kyrin Down:

Yeah. Yeah.   I'm kind of skeptical on on  

[00:50:52] Juan Granados:

people throw out big numbers. Yeah. It does seem a bit extreme.   I I can imagine   where they get to in that if you do have a more healthy society, you can   work through like, well, that means that this person would be paid less this because there's no disability for that and whatever else. But like all systems, very complex, things don't just equate to that way.  

[00:51:13] Kyrin Down:

I vaguely recall us recall us three or four years ago talking on a similar topic to this and you were suggesting   there should be an enforced  

[00:51:23] Juan Granados:

standard of Yes. Like minimum like minimum levels of like business  

[00:51:28] Kyrin Down:

per week or something like this. I remember being quite against it and I still would be But yeah, that's  

[00:51:34] Juan Granados:

a similar lines. Just because I did a little podcast that will come out like my first high signal podcast and it was about calm minds and hyper objects. Have you heard of hyper objects before? No. I haven't heard high signal podcast either. What does that mean? Well,   signal versus noise. Signal versus noise. It's a new podcast you're doing or something like that? Same now. Same with the conversation like same as the mere mortals. So all I'm saying is it's the same like effective philosophy type of conversations that I'm doing, but it's a more   less noise, less like not a conversation, but we call it Mu mortals   conversations.  

So, you know, it's it's it's part of the Mu mortals conversation.  

[00:52:09] Kyrin Down:

What conversation?  

[00:52:10] Juan Granados:

Is that what you're Well, it's a it's a conversation with the Mu Mortal lights.   But the hyper object is something I just stumbled upon. It was some concept by a philosopher, Timothy.   It's an it's a hyper object, it's an entity so massive or distributed that exceeds our ability to fully perceive or comprehend it. And the example that he was giving was like the Internet or economy or   climate change, something like that.   And so what I was talking about in that particular podcast is like, man, the biggest hyper object itself is just life. As in like, well, life is just the biggest hyper object because there's so many things that would make it incomprehensible. And I think it applies to this where   the conversation of yes,   okay, fitness and health, yes, it will be, obviously, it would promote good things and there would be some savings if you directly calculate that way, but because life is such a hyper object and everything that we exist in, that's just it's just too complex. There's no way that it would actually equate to that at all. Even in the theoretical realm of saying like this and this and calculating it out, it would just   be money would just get diffused elsewhere, picked up elsewhere, spent elsewhere. You just wouldn't realize that potential at all. No way. No chance. Yeah. So  

[00:53:19] Kyrin Down:

once again, on a discord jump in, there's a couple of maps we created.   Probably show this on the chapter images and   I've got the countries by obesity rate and the map   that shows up red is   yellow is bad orange   red and then it goes into like purple and blue and black. And if you're in black, then you have almost you've got zero percent obesity.   And I'm looking on the map here and   it looks like North Korea,   the fittest country in the world. Well done. Zero percent.  

[00:53:52] Juan Granados:

We must  

[00:53:54] Kyrin Down:

all follow North Korea's standards. I believe that's North Korea that I'm looking at here. But if you go It's probably just a lack of data than it is. Yeah, it is. It would be. And the thing with this is like, you could look at this and you're like, all right,   US bad.   I think that's Egypt over here. Bad.   Maybe UAE. My geography is kind of bad that that Egypt there.   But near the Suez Canal, I think that is   you're looking just in general Europe's in the red   lot of Latin America apart from   I believe that one's   Suriname   perhaps or   French. French. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's one random little tiny sliver in,   South America. It's a French colony. Which is a. Yeah. Either Tsunami, French Guinea or Guyana. One of the three.  

Australia   where like at you know, the thirty   percent ish obesity rate.   And you're looking at all of this and you're going like, wow, Africa,   they're in the purples, they're around like the 10% They must be   fit culture, they must be so healthy.   Not necessarily, you know,   the the reason is probably, you know, there's still a lot of extreme poverty there and   extreme famine. And so   just because you're not a fat country doesn't mean you're a fit country either. I think   so. Looking at these kind of maps and stuff and a lot of China and Asia and you know, that's where you'd maybe be going like, oh, perhaps like I still think there's probably   a lot of Asian countries where it's the poverty is the lack of obesity.  

But this is where it's just so hard to   quantify a lot of these things. Just like we were saying with the BMI one  

[00:55:39] Juan Granados:

is dragging Australia's average. I'm dragging it down. Well, you're dragging out obesity.   All gym goers who are like really muscular are dragging the numbers down, basically.  

[00:55:49] Kyrin Down:

Yeah, yep. And making and making it appear worse than it actually is. But obviously, one's not obese. So   the the metrics and how you're measuring things is   pretty critical, important part of all of this.   And so you can have people who do things like strongman,   they're probably in the obese category as well. Are they unfit?   I wouldn't say that   there's certainly they've certainly got a lot of body fat. Is it the healthiest? Once again, fitness   and health is a bit of a different thing, alluding to the title that I created for this, which was like, you know, Australia's fitness culture. But are we like a healthy culture?   Is that necessarily mean you're healthy?  

I don't think those two things necessarily equate. You can be you can have a fit culture, but you can and this isn't even talking about the mental side of things, which is pure physical, pure physical. You can get all sorts of weird stuff. But yeah, you could you could have a fit culture.   But if your   culture like emphasizes   hyperachievement   in   let's say   it's something extreme,   really extreme   ultra marathons,   ultra running,   you're gonna have a whole bunch of broken people sure that will be fit in some sort of respect.   But they   also could be, you know, giving themselves rhabdo and all sorts of shit like that,   on a   recurring basis. Correct. So there's a there's a difference between the two. To finish up one I see you posted something here about some metrics. What  

[00:57:21] Juan Granados:

was the number that I was talking about earlier, which was the kind of like the nine to 10%. A gym membership. 32% gym membership, which is the only bit that I kind of found interesting in that. Average workouts per week, 1.9 to two point five and two point five to 3.2. What's the difference between those two numbers? Is that the one the the high number there was Australia versus the Versus the world. Well, the average. So the numbers at least on the gym usage was it did seem like there was more Australians who   participated in in the gym culture or at least bought a gym membership   than   the rest of the world on average. However Gotcha. That's like the rest of the world on average. So I think if you compared it to more specific like I should have asked her like, yeah, but what's the best if you looked at maybe, you know, Norway might have come up or Switzerland or Finland. So that might have been like an interesting   viewpoint to see like, well, what's the best actually look like?  

I guess in general, the,   from   the the numbers for Australia, you know, are we a fit country?   I would say yeah, if you look at all models, we're in the top top rankings of Olympics or going to the gym. I think even just looking around, you know, I feel there's just not a huge amount of ridiculously  

[00:58:33] Kyrin Down:

overweight people.   Because   when you are by the beach, you are going for the beach body.   That being said, there's so this is what I've noticed in Italy in particular,   Most people there were thin,   but they weren't fit, if you get what I mean. So I felt like I was the one of the bigger dudes walking around at any given point. Like, got some guns on me. So I've got some pecs popping. It's big, big   boy.   But I didn't see any people there where I'm like, wow, or notice in general, like, oh, wow, that that person's unfit. That person's fat. That person's this or that. So   the lifestyle and health once again, yeah, the I'd say Australia's fit, but are we necessarily healthy?  

Yeah. Yeah. Off the debate.  

[00:59:21] Juan Granados:

And then I'll offer   a business idea or all of those companies out there who have   sensors and whatnot. This would be I'll   I'm I'm gonna predict   five years from now. Five, seven years from now, this will exist. Some will have done it, but it'll be a big moneymaker,   which if is if any of the health centers out there or maybe something new that comes along that does it, if they were able to   predict a little bit more accurately, but using a whole host   of figures and data coming from the human to give a proper health rating. So not just fitness rating, which you can do that in various ways of like, well, this is your heart rate and this is your HRV and this is your VO2 max, all of those, those are figures for fitness that can translate to health.   But if you had a one   core health metric that brings in all the various things that are equated right away. Instead, and and then max and hold. That's what I think.  

You partner it in with insurance companies and government.   There's gonna be   money galore   throwing down that path. There'll be so much money and I think it'll be really good.   That is the closer I can see when you have like a true articulation of, yeah, what's the fit and healthiest country, if you had a measure like that and again, what goes into that measurement,   then you could see for like everyone what that looks like. Now one, that would be really cool. Two, that would be a big money maker, but there would be a lot of work in that. But until we see something like that, I don't think you could definitively say,   oh, yeah, Australia is the biggest and healthiest country until we all do a 100 meter run. Right? Yes. Mandatory. Right now. Right now, everybody get out. If you finish listening to this, go run a 100 meters, see what your time is, and then we'll just collate it on on average from all the place around the world. Use your Strava. Strava. Yeah. Send me your Strava details of your 100 meters like tops, whatever. I'll we'll do some average numbers. So that's that's the only way.  

Good. Brilliant. Good. Good. Alright. Well, thank you very much everyone for joining me after this conversation. And again, musings today, a little bit more detailed on a specific topic, which of course today was around fitness and health and what we think about the Australian productivity   and some of the data as well. Next week, it sounded like you wanted to talk about Moloch? Yeah. Moloch. Moloch. I'll I'll leave it there. We won't work like, if you wanna if you wanna   hear about it and I'll leave you into that   cluelessness, what the hell that is. Join join that discord. Yeah. Yeah. I might I might I'll actually that'd be in it. I'll I'll put some of the research or thought process that I wanna talk about on the discord. So jump in there if you wanna see that and even ask some questions and stuff like that. But I'll put it in there and then we'll have that conversation. Yeah. I think that's a good way going forward of just,  

[01:01:54] Kyrin Down:

that's easy. Is it easy for us like to just see what we want to talk about and then anyone else? In that way we can link up our our top topics better. I think that's a good way of doing it. I do see some live comments from Patricia saying hello.   She wasn't she was the number one fan and then Lucas coming in with two messages   and your boy, you're a magnificent current. Oh, thanks, Lucas. You're magnificent. Mine's magnificent as well. Give him some props.   So, yeah, come join us live. 9AM Australian Eastern Standard Time on a Sunday  

[01:02:22] Juan Granados:

and join in. It's good fun. Correct. Me more or less, be well wherever you are in the world one out. Go.   Good. Good. Good. Good.