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Adam is back and he's here to revolutionise the music industry through v4v!

In Conversation #96, Adam and I discuss: how RSS is allowing for an entirely new genre of communication by merging video/audio/text/pictures, the music industry is desperately looking for a solution, learnings from the No Agenda community and why value splits are so powerful.

Have a fantastic day wherever you are in the world & don't forget to boost!

Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(0:48) - Podcasting 2.0 moving beyond podcasting
(3:44) - Fancy tech allows for music in podcasts
(9:32) - Value splits allow for services
(16:20) - RSS is the creative lynchpin
(24:09) - YouTube is a fantastic resource, even though it's centralised
(27:49) - Adam is a broadcaster who seeks freedom
(30:33) - V4V Music is disruptive
(33:50) - A hit is about repetition
(40:47) - The desperate need for change
(46:40) - Could V4V Music get nipped in the bud?
(50:51) - Has Adam ever been wrong about a trend?
(54:11) - Why is V4V not well known?
(1:03:26) - The V4V ethos is almost religious
(1:06:33) - Robert Jensen's paywall temptation
(1:09:37) - No Agenda nation
(1:12:09) - Money Money: How Kyrin pays the bills
(1:16:50) - NA Livestream & contributions
(1:24:03) - V4V getting distorted?
(1:31:24) - Going beyond grassroots
(1:38:14) - Do artists need to become podcasters?
(1:44:02) - Playing the YouTube game
(1:47:07) - Splits with magic internet money
(1:49:54) - Let's provide more value!


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