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Gary Leland aka The Bitcoin Boomer is the founder of the BitBlockBoom Bitcoin Conference in Dallas, Texas. BitBlockBoom is considered by many to be one of the top Bitcoin conferences in the world. 

He also produces the Bitcoin Boomer Show along with several other Bitcoin related podcasts and websites. 

Gary started his 1st e-commerce site in 1996, and in 2004 Gary became one of the first 50 podcasters in the world. 
In 2006 Time Magazine listed him in their list of 50 coolest websites. 
In 2016 he was inducted into the Academy Of Podcasters Hall Of Fame, and in 2017 The Mayor of Arlington, Texas proclaimed March 1st Gary Leland Day. 
In 2022 He co-authored Bitcoin And The American Dream.

Out of all the projects Gary has been involved with he feels Bitcoin is the one that will change the world. 

In this episode, Gary talks about his journey into Bitcoin and:

• The importance of educating people about Bitcoin and how it can change the world. 
• The importance of dollar-cost averaging.
• The difference between Bitcoin and crypto, with Bitcoiners being focused on creating sound money and helping the world.
• The hosts also touch on the corrupt nature of the current financial system
• The need for term limits in politics. 
• The importance of personal responsibility and making conscious choices, whether it's in regards to health or finances.
• He also discusses the BitBlock Boom conference and the future of Bitcoin.

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(00:02:04) Introduction to the episode and guest, Gary Leland

(00:03:14) Gary Leland's introduction to Bitcoin and his first encounter with it

(00:11:02) The importance of dollar-cost averaging in getting boomers interested in Bitcoin

(00:14:23) The story behind the creation of BitBlock Boom conference

(00:20:14) The significance of the Bitcoin halving and its impact on the future

(00:25:38) The potential of Bitcoin to fix the current fiat currency system and create a more peaceful world

(00:32:32) The hosts discuss the importance of educating people about Bitcoin and its potential to change the world.

(00:34:27) They talk about the difference between Bitcoiners and shitcoiners, with Bitcoiners focused on making money and saving the world, while shitcoiners are only interested in making trades and making money.

(00:35:12) The hosts discuss the corrupt nature of the current financial system and the need for term limits in politics.

(00:39:43) They emphasize the importance of personal responsibility and making conscious choices, whether it's in regards to health or finances.

(00:55:43) The hosts encourage listeners to start learning about Bitcoin by buying small amounts regularly and recommend attending Bitcoin conferences to meet like-minded individuals.

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[00:02:05] Unknown:

Are you a boomer   ready to retire, but your   purchasing power has melted? You need to learn about Bitcoin. My guest, Gary Leland, we talk about this. He is the Bitcoin boomer,   and we talk about a whole bunch of other wonderful things that have to do with Bitcoin, Bitcoin culture,   huge amounts of weight loss, how to become the best version of yourself, ecommerce, etcetera. So tune in to this episode. You won't wanna miss it. Aloha.   Aloha, love tribe. Welcome to Bitcoin for Peace. I have somebody here who has been one of the I think you were one of the first pod casters on planet Earth, I believe, mister Gary Leland, the Bitcoin Boomer,   who is also the founder of BitBlock Boom, one of the best conferences for Bitcoiners around the world. Welcome, Gary Leland. How's it going?  



[00:02:52] Unknown:

It's going it's going well. It's going really well. Yeah. I probably was one of the first 50 podcasters. I wasn't the first, but I was probably one of the first 50.   I I've had a habit of cutting getting into new technology or being on the cutting edge. I think with my age, though, podcast Bitcoin may be the last cutting edge thing   that I, do because it's gonna it's gonna last a long time.  

[00:03:15] Unknown:

It's gonna I I mean, I predicted it'll outlast all of us, I I pray.   How did you get into Bitcoin? Let's tell everybody who you are, and, you know, my audience would love to learn about who's Gary Leland.  

[00:03:25] Unknown:

Well, I was speaking at a conference in Dallas about podcasting.   And after I got through speaking, I was walking down the hall, and I saw about 5 or 6 of my friends. They were standing around   talking, so I went to listen to   them. And, one of them was explaining to the other 4 or so what Bitcoin was.   And I was about   halfway in on the conversation, you know, they were going through. So I heard about the last half,   and they all left. And I said it was a friend of mine named Tony. I said, Tony, could I missed half of that. Could you explain that to me? So we sat on the couch   at the hotel lobby. It's, like, 1 o'clock, and at 6 o'clock, we were still talking about Bitcoin. Wow. And How long ago was this? And   this was   2017   before the big the big before the big run up. Okay. Luckily,   before the big run up. And I got home, and I started doing some more research, basically. And I called him up and said, Tony, you gonna be at that conference tomorrow?  

He said, yeah. And I said, can I talk to you about Bitcoin some more? So he said, sure. I got there at 10 o'clock. We talked to about 1. Then we went over to his house, and he was mining   Zcash Okay. So he could buy Bitcoin. Okay. But he couldn't, you know, he couldn't buy Bitcoin. I mean, mine Bitcoin, but he could mine Zcash. Interesting. So I think somebody's just mining that or he was mining Ethereum. So he was mining that. He showed me mining and everything, and I bought, like, $5 worth. He showed me how to buy $5 worth and put it on OpenDigm.   And then when I got home that night, I made a pretty good investment in Bitcoin. I said, yeah. This is the future, and   and I didn't tell my wife. She didn't find out till I was like,   she she didn't find out how much Bitcoin we had for quite a while.  

But she and she you know, as as I've never researched it, She just kept saying, you need to stay away from that made up Internet money. That's just made up Internet money. And she'd say that all the time.  

[00:05:14] Unknown:

How did you switch from made up Internet money to actual, oh my gosh. This is true sound money. I mean, obviously, you had this conversation, but, like, what was the tipping point intellectually to go,   oh, I got it.  

[00:05:26] Unknown:

That ever happened.   Really? But but on the run up to 69,000,   she became a believer.  

[00:05:33] Unknown:

But but for you, though, your tipping point of of understanding,  

[00:05:37] Unknown:

you know Well, you know Bitcoin.   I was a early ecommerce guy. I built my first ecommerce site. I tried to build it in 95, but I couldn't figure out how to make a shopping cart. Okay. Because you couldn't just buy plug and play stuff. So in 96, though   yeah. 96, though, I did build my first ecommerce site, and everybody told me I was pretty much an idiot. Wow. That people wouldn't buy stuff on the Internet. And I said, well, I would buy stuff on the Internet. Right. I haven't, but I would. And so I built it, and I was really into ecommerce, my business. I had I at the point, by 2017,  

[00:06:07] Unknown:

I maybe had 20 ecommerce sites. 20 ecommerce sites? What were you selling?  

[00:06:14] Unknown:

Well, I had wallpaper like you put in your house Uh-huh. You know, on the walls. Yep. I had 2 sporting good sites, one for baseball, one for girls fast pitch softball.   I had have you ever seen those little tiny football helmets that people get autographs on? Yeah.   Yeah. I own minihelmets.com,   so I sold mini helmets.   I sold face guards that girls wear when they play softball. It was face guards.com.   I sold training had a training aid site. Just at if I saw something, I thought I could sell it or I found a dropshipper Yep. I would sell it. Matter of fact, I'd have to call people and explain dropshipping to them in 96 because no one it wasn't a thing yet. Yeah. Yeah. And I'd say, hey. I wanna sell your stuff, but I don't wanna bring it here. Right. And I'll give you an address, and you ship it to them. And they go, I don't ship it to you? I'd have to explain it. I go, no. You ship it to my customer. Yep. And, so but I had so many sites that get back to the story because I'm kinda, like, getting lost there. My friend Tony, one of the things he did say   during the half of the conversation I picked up is that it was the only Internet protocol left. There wasn't a protocol for money, and Bitcoin was a protocol for money. Right. And since I was doing so much stuff on the net, I was like, a missing protocol for money? I need to find what and that's what hooked me up because someone had tried to well, I ran into someone who was selling Bitcoin. A friend of mine,   he would have people come in and they buy thumb drives with Bitcoin on from him, and he would resell them. And I said he said, have you heard of Bitcoin? I said, no. What is it? He said, oh, it's like online stocks. And I said, I don't want anything to do with that. Yeah. And I think Bitcoin was maybe around a $100 at the time. Woah. And so every time I every time I see him,   I say and I thought I saw him again. I said, why did you tell me it was, like, online stocks?  

I said, of all things, she could've told me. And he goes, well, I thought you being a boomer would understand   that better than anything else. Uh-huh. Okay. And I said, yeah. I understood it wasn't what I wanted, and you probably cost me I don't know. You probably cost me a $1,000,000,   to be honest with you. Yeah. You know? By making me wait so long, you probably physically cost me a $1,000,000.   And, so every time I see him, I come up to him and go, I'd like my $1,000,000.  

[00:08:23] Unknown:

And and so, like, this is a bit an important conversation because I think a lot of people, we always are wondering, like, how did we learn about Bitcoin and get our moments? And then how do we   translate our   moments into conversations that we can share with other people who might relate   to Bitcoin in a way that maybe gave us this And so even though, you know, you're a boomer, I'm almost a boomer, pretty darn close.  

[00:08:49] Unknown:

I what what am I after? What's wrong with being a boomer. No. Being a boomer is great. In the best time. We grew up in the best time of America. I know. I mean, sure, there were some things wrong, but things were cheap.   One person, your mom could work without your dad. Your dad could work. Your mom could stay home Yeah. And you could have a I mean, it was a great time to be a kid. It's a great time. And and now things wasn't perfect, but compared to now, it's all hell now. It's a disaster.  

[00:09:13] Unknown:

I mean, I think about my kids and saving for the future and how can they ever even participate in the   this new world economy? You know? And if they're not Bitcoiners,   they're gonna anybody who's not a Bitcoiner, I think, is gonna be at a disadvantage as we keep moving forward. You know? And so   I I agree a 100%. You know? And and I just feel like as as   someone who's contributed to this system ignorantly because I didn't know. You don't know what you don't know   until you know it. And I think,   you know, I've only been into Bitcoin for it's about 3 years right around now in January or January, February.   I was like, wow. I'm a businesswoman,   and I started companies, and I worked at Deloitte. I I thought I knew what money was, but I'm like, I didn't know anything. You know? And I feel like Bitcoin has woken me up to   constantly poking around. Like, well, what else is do I not know? You know? And so   in your experience, like, what's transitioning people's mindsets from the old way of thinking to,   oh, right. Bitcoin. This isn't some scary thing, especially for boomers and thinking   about retiring and thinking about their future and their kids.  



[00:10:23] Unknown:

Well, you know, I I've it just makes sense I would hang out with a lot of boomers, which is good and bad. You know? Bad is   I have nothing in common with most of them. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I have more in common when I go to a place with a bunch of oh, late twenties to thirties, you know, people. You know? I have more subject matter I can talk to because I I don't waste all day playing golf, and I don't do a lot of things that boomers do because I don't find that exciting. So Yeah. I don't have that much in common. But when I do talk to boomers, it's really kind of the only way I found to get them to that I've been successful with orange peeling boomers   is to talk them into dollar cost averaging. Mhmm. Okay.  

If you can get them dollar cost averaging,   you know, they they aren't gonna miss most of most people I hang out with at least ways. So this this varies with other people, but they aren't gonna miss a $100 a month or $50 a month or some of them a   $1,000 a month. But you can get in the start   dollar cost averaging.   I found it's a short amount of time till they call me back wanting to buy quite a bit more. Mhmm. Like, I I had one guy I've known since 2nd grade.   I said, let's start buying with   dollar cost averaging with Swan. And so I think he was buying   $20 a month $20 a week. You know, nothing. And then he called me back 3 months later and goes, hey, Gary. I just wanna let you know I just bought $10,000 worth. Nice. And I had had another guy who was buying a $100 a week. He called me 3 bucks later and goes, hey. I just bought a $100,000. Oh, wow. So yeah. So they they wanna they wanna make money, you know, like anyone does. Yes. That's right. Most people most people wanna make money. Yeah. But if they they start seeing it,   you know, they don't have to see a lot, but they they start seeing it, then they'll they'll they'll jump on board because they're smart enough to know what's going on. Yeah. They just haven't   seen and many of them you can also realize, and people don't realize this, many of them would not have a computer to this day if it wasn't for iPhones.  



[00:12:19] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:12:20] Unknown:

You know? Yeah. They all got a computer now, but if it wasn't for iPhones and iPads, many of them still wouldn't have a computer unless it was at work. And at work, they just did their one task. You know? So but like I said, if you can get them buying,   you know, on a site like Swarm where they buy a little bit and then they get emails and they start reading them,   them to buy once work. I don't think that works with anyone. You get them to buy once, and they go, okay. I'll buy $1,000 worth. You convinced me, Gary. They'll just buy it and never look at it again. And then you talk to them 3 years later, and you go, how do you like what that Bitcoin is doing? They go, what's happening? They haven't even looked at it. You know? Oh my gosh. It's done real well. I'm going, yeah. Yeah. You haven't been watching it? You know? So you gotta get them to buy on a regular basis.  

[00:13:01] Unknown:

I love that. I   I hadn't even really considered that that would be such a powerful strategy, but it's just you think marketing. Right? Sometimes 7 touches until you make your your conversion. And so   this is something that I think, yeah, it keeps you in the conversation and the game, and you're getting your notifications or whatever it is, you know, that you're  

[00:13:18] Unknown:

doing that. And you click on it, and you'll go, oh my gosh. It's $1500.  

[00:13:23] Unknown:

You know, I only paid $1,000 for this. Oh, I'm gonna do this. Seeing it in action. I'm gonna do this with my kids because not I love my kids the best, and they're still not Bitcoiners, but they they they are, but they just don't know it yet. And I think maybe if I did something like this with the DCA for them, and then they can just kinda pay attention, and it's like, oh, look. This is how the game the game works. You know? Yeah. This is how it works. I love it. Oh, this is so fun. Thanks, Gary. I love love love it. Yeah.  

[00:13:49] Unknown:

Another thing people should do for their kids   is they should buy their domain name. Yes. You know, I did that for all my grandkids. I bought their domain names for 21 years till they're 21 years old. And that way, if they turn out to be successful and they want their name, someone didn't come along and see it. And if it doesn't turn out to be successful, what do I got? $200 in it? I mean, you know Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. Yeah. So It's it's a good I think it's a good thing to think about for the future. What Gary, so how did you get started? Like, how did Bitbuck Boom start? How did this this super Bitcoin only, no crypto, no nonsense  

[00:14:23] Unknown:

conference start for you? Well  

[00:14:25] Unknown:

well, it's kinda like, I've been in Bitcoin   about a year that I need to do a conference.  

[00:14:30] Unknown:

And so You're like, yeah. Let's bring everybody together. I love it. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:14:34] Unknown:

And so I did a kinda really hard the 1st year because we didn't we weren't known or anything.   But we had say, Fadina Mus said he would come. We had Pierre   Richard. We had We had a good audience. I mean, a good speaker lineup.   We had a hard time getting people there, So I was out at nights giving out free tickets because I couldn't have all these people coming in to have no one show up. You know? That would be a disaster.   And, and we had one sponsor   one sponsor   who wanted to be the top sponsor,   which was $10,000,   and this was, like I said, in 2000 early 2018,   maybe. And he said, I'll do it if I can pay in Bitcoin.  

And he paid 1.6   or 1.7 Bitcoin, I think, to be the sponsor. Oh, wow. Which I still have because I don't have my Bitcoin.   So now that turns out that was a really profitable conference.   But because so many of the speakers were Bitcoin only   and so many people that came right off the bat, people were really happy that we're Bitcoiners Yeah. Because they didn't have to listen to a bunch of crap. You know? And, that's what started. And then at the brunch came up to me and goes, I have to say, I think this is the first Bitcoin,   Maximus conference I've ever been to in North America. Wow. And then I know of it. I said, oh, I'm taking that. I said, can I quote you on that? And he goes, sure. They said, we'll get my camera. I'm gonna record you on that. And so then the next year, it worked out pretty good. I think when we really grew, though, was during COVID.  

As well, let's just face it. The conference was in August, end of August. Who wants to come to Texas in August when it's a 110? Yeah. Right? First of all. And   if you've waiting till August, you've probably been to, like, a bunch of conferences, you know, by August. So who wants to go to a conference they've never been to when it's a 110   in Texas? But during COVID, there wasn't a conference the whole year. Mhmm. And I did mine. And so   I still remember I was on Clubhouse   and talking in a room, and   I was on stage. And someone said, are you still doing the conference, Gary? I said, yeah. I'm still doing the conference. And someone goes, is that a in person conference? And I said, yeah. Yeah. And they go, you're doing a conference? And someone else goes, I haven't been to a conference all year. And when I got off the clubhouse   that night, I looked into the Seattle sales where I sold, like, 40 tickets Oh, wow. You know, from people who were on clubhouse, which I've never done that since. But   all these people there who would have probably never came because they hadn't been to a conference on the year, and they said, this is a great conference, and then they've been coming ever since. So COVID is what really put us on the map is the fact that we did it during COVID.  



[00:17:03] Unknown:

I love that. And, well and now it looks like you've shifted here for the halving, and you're doing bit block boom in April. And instead of Austin, now it's in Dallas. Let's talk about that. Well, I'm from Dallas. I live in I live in Arlington, which is right outside of Dallas. Okay. And, we did it in Dallas 1st 4 years, then we moved it to  

[00:17:20] Unknown:

Austin for 2 years back because it's a lot more work. I don't wanna work that hard, and it's a lot more expensive. You know? I was able to drop ticket prices, starting prices by a $100 by moving it here and just by moving it here. Our hotel rooms are a $100 cheaper a night. All our vents are started off cheaper. So some people say, wait. Our vents look expensive. But compared to what they were in Austin, they're they're not expensive. But I moved it here to be close. And then, you know, what really happened on the move   was not because of the happening.  

I looked   BTC Magazine moved their conference to July 1st   last year. They said we're gonna do it July 1st. Uh-huh. I started looking at the schedule, and I said, oh my gosh. Look at this. Look at the conferences in the fall.   There's, like, one every week Mhmm. Starting July 1st, I mean, literally. And so   I looked at the spring, and there wasn't any in the USA, to speak of. Maybe there's some smaller ones, but are people doing ones for the first time? I said, gosh. I could do this in April and still be the first one of the year, which I am doing it in April, and I'm one of the first ones of the year in in the US. Like I said, there have been some other ones, but a a a notable   one. And then I saw when The Havening   I said, oh my gosh. The Havening's   in April. And so I tried I didn't wanna go the weekend before because   El Salvador has their happening party, and I didn't wanna compete with him. He's a real nice guy. Of course. You know? Yeah. Is I like to have a lot of friends not have people go, hey. Look at this. So I said, well, what's the next weekend looks like? I said, well, I think I'll be early for the happening   by maybe a week. That's what I guessed at the time. Yeah. But I I went for it now. You know, the blocks are under 9 minutes now. If it stays that fast, it's gonna happen. They're in pit block boom. Oh, wow. So, yeah, if it stays at what it is, because it's under 9 minutes, it's like 8 minutes and 50 seconds. Oh, wow. So we might I might have picked the right date by accident. Oh my gosh. So It's like picking a baby date. Right? It's like the the Nice. You know, when you have a baby, then everybody guesses what the date and the time of the baby is gonna be born.  

Well, do you know how many people told me, oh, you're what you're it's no way it can happen during mid block boom. It's impossible. You know? Like, they were all know it alls. I'm going I think anyone knows.   You know, you just gotta guess a weekend. Yeah. And I thought was thinking for a while, which I still think, that it's gonna happen, like, you know, our conference get over Sunday, and it's gonna happen, like, the next   Thursday. You know?   It's what I think is gonna happen. But but right now, I looked the other day on the, time chain calendar,   and if they were 9 minute blocks,   it would happen on Friday at my conference. Wow. The date, if I put it because you could put in how fast the blocks and when it would be. I was going, oh my gosh. And the other day, like I said, I looked at that this morning. It was 8 minutes and 50 seconds. Oh, wow. So they're they're they're hopping. And  

[00:20:00] Unknown:

and so for folks who are listening, like, you said the and I've heard people say the. What's the difference, and does it matter, and what is like, let people know who may not be Bitcoiners understand what is why is this so important and what does it you know, what is the   or the?  

[00:20:15] Unknown:

Well, you know, havening comes every 4 years. It was designed into the the protocol, I guess, by Satoshi Nakamoto. And what it does, it cuts the amount of new Bitcoin released   every 10 minutes and half. Right now, there are 900 Bitcoin a day that come online, basically. Mhmm. Well, as of April, the I'm gonna say 13th because I'm feeling lucky. There you go. As of April 13th,   instead of being 900 Bitcoin a day, it's gonna be 450   Bitcoin a day. So it automatically   creates scarcity, and this has been happening since the get go. You know, at first, you got 50 Bitcoin every 10 minutes, then it was 25 Bitcoin every 10 minutes, then there's 12 and a half, then it was 6 and a quarter. That'd be, like, 3 and 8 or whatever. I'm probably saying something wrong, but I'm pretty close. So the amount of new Bitcoin   released, it's not really created. It's all created already. It's just being released over a period of time up to the year 2021.  

So with the last Bitcoin being released 2021 or 2040?   2040. Thank you. Thank you. Because we're already past 2021. See, I'm a boomer. I just 21 4 21 40.   21 40. Right? Is that you know, my little my brain needs to get I gotta get all these things right here. Yeah. Once I get on a roll, sometimes I'm just spitting out stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, the concept is   more people want Bitcoin   because the price is going up. There's less of it to get Yeah. Which makes the price go up. You know? So it's a thing. So   happening is real important. In the past, I've always seen   it really affect it. Like, if it happened in 2024, it would affect it more in 2025 is when we would see, you know, like, that's when I think we saw the $69,000   run. That's when we saw the $19,000   run, you know, the year 4 years earlier. But, usually, it's the next year. But, you know, this year   I know I was telling Surfer Jim the other night and Lynn B on, we do a spaces on Monday night. So I was telling him, I think things are gonna be different this year. I don't know why. I'm just feeling this is different because there's so much more demand. We got ETFs now buying. We got countries buying. We got Michael Saylor buying. Dude, it's super yep, bleeping everything up. I'm like, save some for us, Michael.  

Yeah. If you take his personal stash in Microsoft strategy, he has, well, over a 100,000 of them. I mean, a cat is a Bitcoin buying machine. Yeah. He's So So there's a lot of different this time. So I'm thinking   we may not be having to wait till 2025   to see the start of a run up. This could be this could be what a lot of us have been   saying the whole time is gonna happen. You know? This could be the start up. It is. And I know I'm thinking that I'm like, should I, like,  

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go start donating plasma and just eating top ramen so I can get ahead of the   of the the half?   The question Again, I I wanna come back to my question super quick. Havining versus halving.  

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Oh, I don't know which one it's supposed to be. I Okay. Cool. I didn't know.   See one happened. And, actually, every time I spell it in a post, I look at it and go,   oh, I got this right. Should I say this? I know. And you know? So hey. You know what you need to do?   I don't know if you've seen this yet. I don't know if this has been announced yet. You need to go to   this. Let me give you this site real quick. Here. I'll put it up on the screen. Tell me.   Oh gosh. Let me find it real quick here.   See, I'm not gonna find it because I'm looking for it. Oh, come on. Come oh, here it is. Okay. Go to,   shit, sell sell   stuff for for stats. Sats. Sell stuff for sats?  

Mhmm.  

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Is it dotorg.com?  

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Oh, here it is. I'm sorry. I didn't have it right. It is satscrap.com.  

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Satscrap?   Yeah.   C r a p? Mhmm. I  

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I I feel pretty sure that's it.  

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Like, stats crap or stats   scrap?   Crap. Like, look at my screen. Crap.  

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Where is it at on the screen? Yes.   Go there. That's that's just opened, and they're getting ready to start making all their press about it now. Oh my god. And I've already started listing stuff on here. But you can list anything you want on here, and for the whole month, they aren't charging any fees.   And people Oh. Buy it as an auction site for selling your crap for Satoshis.   I'm curious to haven't sold anything.   Hold on. Let's see if this comes from the guys who have the, have the options.  

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Scarcity. Oh, from   oh, okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Don't sell your kidneys for sats. Do this instead. How's that?  

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Yeah. Yeah. So I I said I got no play here except I've listed 3 items.   But, yeah, I'm just gonna, like, list a couple of items as I walk around the house every day. You know? Because I'm just saying, well, that's such a good name. And buy Bitcoin. I think they might have got that name from me because I've been saying that for, like, years on shows. Sell all your crap on Bitcoin.  

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I know. Well, isn't it funny? Like, we think about all the folks who've inspired us over the decades. You know? And I think of   all of my mentors and people who I know I pull little words of wisdom from them, and I remix them, and then now they turn into something sort of new. But there's nothing new. Everything is remixed, in my opinion. Everything everything is just going through a cycle. It's all everything's been invented, I mean, for the most part. They're mostly just all improvements.  

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You know? Something that came out already. I mean Totally. Really get down to it, the iPhone is probably just an improvement over   Telegram.   You know? You know? The telephone was an improvement over the Telegram. This one's an improvement over the telephone. So  

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Yeah. It's pretty cool. What so, Gary, like,   what do you see for the future? You know? What do you see for our kids? How do you see Bitcoin turning into something? You know, obviously, my whole thesis is Bitcoin for peace. It creates,   you know, an opportunity for us to have a more fair and inclusive money system for the whole world to participate in. And if we do not have   a fair money system, how can we have mental health? How can we have physical health? How can we have an earth that is being nurtured and taken care of properly?   So,   you know, if we can fix Bitcoin, you know, can we really fix the world, and can we create a more peaceful planet?  



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Well, you know, they say Bitcoin fixes everything.   You know?   So I don't know, but I know that the fiat   currency it's funny. I didn't know that word when I first started Bitcoin Yeah. In fiat.  

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I've heard of it, but I didn't understand exactly what it was. Yeah. I was like, okay. Fiat, whatever. Okay. It's a car or it's whatever.  

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But the the Fiat   system   that's in place now, you know,   whether it explodes or not or when it explodes, I guess it's gonna eventually,   it's really just   crap. It's like the crap I'm putting on sex for crap. Yeah. You know, it's nothing good. Nothing's coming from it. All our kids   are gonna get harmed by what they're doing with the fiat system.   Countries are getting hurt. I mean, we really got kinda lucky here, I guess, to a degree because, yeah, as the dollar,   you know,   inflates and becomes worth less and less and less,   you know, due to inflation,   at least we're getting some stuff out of it. You know? At least we're getting a car or getting a radio or getting a iPhone or something. Man, all these other countries that use the dollar, they are getting jacked. Yep. They're just losing money Yeah. To the US. I mean, you know, if the if the the dollar if there's 10% inflation, they just lose 10% a year. At least stuff's coming to the US, and we're just giving them   digits on a computer. That's kinda crazy, ain't it? We just give people digits on a computer, and they sell us cars. They give us everything we have Yeah. You know, for some digits on a computer.  



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It sounds like a Ponzi scheme. Last next year. It sounds to me like a Ponzi scheme.  

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But I think Bitcoin   I think you're right. Bitcoin will save the world.   Got a long ways to go to get there, but the people, like, you know, my kids, I have orange pilled. Your kids, you're working on them. Working on them. Nothing else. You're acquiring you're acquiring it, so that's gonna help them. My kids you know, I'm almost 70, so there's no way I'm gonna spend all my Bitcoin because I haven't spent any yet. You know? So so I'm gonna spend it all, so they're gonna be benefit from that.   So I think that a lot of people, though, are gonna be in a lot of trouble. You know? So Yeah. The sooner we can get them on the Bitcoin standard, the better we are. Well, let let me ask you about that. So, obviously,  

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you know, HODLing is a huge important thing for all of us to do is save our Bitcoin, save our Bitcoin. But, you know, thinking in terms of, you know, you've got ecommerce and you know, getting Bitcoin out there in circular economies   is one way for it to get   more adoption. Right? So if people are selling something  

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to use for that.  

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Yeah.   It it so do you buy something with Bitcoin. I my new Bitcoin. I don't use my Bitcoin.   Exactly. Yeah. And that's what I wanna get clear for people who are listening because,   you know, it yes. You have a savings strategy, and then we also have a circulation strategy.   You know? And, like, if I know I'm gonna go, you know, buy a ticket to bit block bit bit block boom and I wanna pay in Bitcoin, I'm gonna go buy Bitcoin that day,   and then I'm gonna pay that day. So I'm not getting volatility and losing Bitcoin, etcetera. So I think it's super important that people understand,   like, the more that we're utilizing it in our day to day transactions,   it's gonna help   get that circular economy going, and it's also gonna get us off the rails of, you know, the fiat rails, which are dangerous. I've been talks I've been trying to,  

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like whenever I do valet parking,   tip the guy in Bitcoin.   You know? I don't I really when you're valet parking, picking up your car, you don't have enough time to go into an orange pill somebody. Exactly. It's just like here. You got you got, like yeah. But I go, do you do you you have Bitcoin wallet? If they say, yeah. I'm going well, I'm gonna tip you in Bitcoin. They're like, oh, cool. And then if they don't, what do you say? How do you help them? Do you have a quickie? Like, do you do you tell them to go to a certain, like, get strike right now or get something?   No. If if if it's a valet driver and he doesn't have any he's just like, forget it. You owe $5. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's just not enough time to get I don't think you can orange pill anyone in the one minute that it takes to get your keys Yeah. And get in your car. You can't. I think Yeah. And I've I I regret that I forget which company did this, but I think you can just do this in general. Is it Azteco? Well, as there's Azteco vouchers,  

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but if you can carry around almost like little pieces of paper that, you know, you would have a dollar on That's Azteco voucher. Yeah. And so you can be like, here's a dollar worth of Bitcoin or, you know, whatever it might be, and then just be like, here, go download this, and now here's step 1, 2, 3 to go get your Bitcoin. So I'm working on having a couple things like that because I do notice when I'm if I wanna orange pill the the bathroom attendant somewhere or anything, this is a quick, you know, thing or your Uber driver,   you don't have time to go into the whole thing, but you wanna maybe give them something that they can touch and do later and and play around with it. So It's amazing how many Uber drivers know about Bitcoin now. Yeah. I mean, Uber drivers are hustlers, though. You think about it. Like, anybody who's driving Uber, chances are that's I mean, they could be their full time thing, but a lot of it's their side hustle. So they're like, okay. What other streams of income can I learn about? You know? And I I find a lot of Uber drivers also. You know? It's it's I agree. And, also, when you're with the Uber driver, you're in that car  

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for maybe 20 minutes. Yeah. You got a lot of time to orange.   Totally. You know? By the time they're   they're they're like, okay. I'll take you know, I wanna get some Bitcoin. So, yeah, I'll take some of that Bitcoin out of your hands.   Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I think it's super I I was talked to my my dentist today. I had to go to the dentist to get my teeth cleaned,   and I was telling her, so I got her to buy the Bitcoin standard   on her,   on her phone so she could listen to it. She wanted a new bit to listen to, And so I talked to her in buying Bitcoin Standard. So that was as much as I could do in that. Yeah. Yeah. I think that   I think, though, while that's one of the best books   probably ever created for Bitcoin   Mhmm. I really think it's a second book for real for most it should be second. There's a lot information you need to know about the last ones. Well, I think there's a couple of them. You know, Inventing Bitcoin, that's a good one. Bitcoin and the American dream, which I wrote with a bunch of people. Okay. One. It's a it's a you can read that on a flight.  



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You know? So, I mean, you know and that's why I think you need something short for the first one. You do. I think it's got a Yes. And then they go into Bitcoin Standard. I I think so too. And so, I mean, some people are ready to jump into it, but for the majority of us are are not, you know, safe, and we don't think the way he does. And it it is extensive, and it's like I remember listening to it for the first time. I'm like, okay. Backwards and because I listened to everything on Audible. And   there's also another Terence Michael wrote a really great book, Proof of Money, and I really like that one now to give to people. And   I I think   it just always depends on what is your, like, what's your angle, you know, like and, of course, I love Alex Gladstein and Jeff Booth. I love all these guys. And,   you know, Tomer has a good you know, I like his kind of more hippie, groovy angle and Gigi. So it's like, who's your audience? Right? And so you can decide, like, how do they Yeah. How do they get  

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it. Well I have to check out proof of money. I've I've I've read almost every Bitcoin or listen. No one's every Bitcoin. I matter of fact, I just bought Jimmy's songs, new book, so I can listen to it. His new book.   I don't know. It's got a clown on the front. I I should've heard the name of that.   I just know it has a clown a clown on the front of it. I think it's,   pow  

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done with clown makeup on the back. Oh my god. I wouldn't doubt it.  

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Oh, yeah. Jimmy's a good guy.  

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Everybody in Bitcoin is a good guy and a good gal. And Natalie and I were just talking about this before,   you know, this episode, and   it's just like this this congregation   of   hearts and souls and minds and skill and talent that give a shit   and that wanna make the world a way, way better place. And not just kumbaya,   but   tangible,   actionable. Like, Bitcoin is a   really is a solid tool, you know, to do this, and I I just I'm still blown away. I mean, I'm still new to this, you know, this world to some degree, and I'm   I'm so humbled and honored to get to, like, talk to you and get to meet all of these great people and participate. You know? And it's   everybody's welcome.  

Everybody.  

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It's first of all, Jimmy's book is Fiat Ruins Everything. Okay. Fiat ruins everything. Thank you. But but you're right. You know? And I I tell people that   Bitcoin   where Bitcoin's at right now as far as the people   and the the whole social world of Bitcoin is really where podcasting was in 2,005.   Oh, interesting. Really is. I mean, it's all these people that are wanting to share information and help you out and and and meet you and see what they can do to make things better for you, and it's not because they're doing it   to make money off you.  

Now they are. Podcasts hadn't gotten so big. You know, there's tons of people just, I I wanna edit your podcast. I wanna do this. I wanna do that. I wanna make money off you. But that's not the way it was when it started, and that's where where Bitcoin's at now. Because all these Bitcoiners   like you, like me, we're orange peeling people or trying to, but we're not doing it   to increase our stack. Yeah. We're doing it because we don't want them to miss out. It's almost like a religion. I tell people it's like being a Jehovah's Witness to a degree. You know? Joe but it is. It is. No. I hear you. Witnesses. Witnesses. Back back back. They only believe that a 140,000   people can go to heaven. Oh, gosh. I I mean, there's a limited amount of people who can go to heaven according to Jehovah Witnesses.  

And I have a friend of mine who's a Jehovah Witness. I said, well, you're never going, Robert. I know there's a 140,000 people over the history of mankind that were better than you because I lived with you as a kid. We live next door. And so   but they do it. They go door to door to help people, you know, not because they think they're gonna go to heaven if they talk 20 people and they come in Jehovah Witnesses. They truly believe   that they are doing people a favor by teaching them about Jehovah.   And so that's the way Bitcoiners are. They're like orange peeling Uber drivers. They're orange peeling they're dentists. They're orange peeling these people not because they're gonna make something off of it, but because they think they're truly doing them a favor. And so that's why I say, Bitcoiners are a lot like Jehovah witnesses, except it's not a cult. It's not a cult. And and you anybody can get in and get out and everyone's welcome. And  

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it's just math.   That's it.   It's math. And but there's a soul to the math and there's a consciousness to it in my, you know, experience.  

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What I say on that is   Bitcoiners   let's take Bitcoiners and crypto, shitcoiners. Bitcoiners and shitcoiners. And shitcoiners. They all wanna make money. I mean, people do like making That's okay. I hope I'm still Yeah. You're here. They wanna make money. Yeah. Okay. But   shitcoiners   just wanna make trades and make money and make trades, and that's all they're worried about is their stack Yeah. Where Bitcoiners wanna make money, but they truly believe they can change the world. Yes. You know? So that's the difference between Bitcoiners and shitcoiners. So Bitcoiners   believe they can make money like other people can  

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but save the world at the same time. You know? So that's the big difference on the They do. You know? And I'll I'll I'll kinda push back on that a tiny bit, and here's why. I've been going to a lot of   environmental conferences and London Climate Action Week and New York Climate Week with my partner, and   the people, you know, are so interested in making nature better, healing the planet, cleaning up pollution, fighting, you know, against the powers that be, but they're misguided   when they're getting the marketing department of shitcoin   101,   whatever,   you know, going down their throats and going, we need to go make an ocean coin, and we need to go make nature backed currencies, and we need to go do   all of these things that are gonna   support a decentralized   circular economy for indigenous communities and la la la. And I'm just like,   and I would have bought into that   a few years you know, 3 years ago when I was first learning and not understanding truly what the difference is between Bitcoin and   crypto because   I wanna go change the world. And they do have   a lot of these initiatives.  

I think some of them are   they do have good hearts, not all of them, of course. Some of them just wanna, you know, do rug pulls in your liquidity, etcetera. But   some of the folks out there really are getting misled and misguided,   and I've I'm reading this book called Sacred Economics by Charles Eisenstein.   And he's a great philosopher, and he did a lot of research. Unfortunately, he's he's hijacked from Keynesian economics, and he's talking about having, you know,   negative interest currency. So everybody needs to spend all this stuff, and I'm just like, dude, we don't need to do that. It's like we have Bitcoin   already, and it's deflationary   by nature,   and it's inclusive. So we don't wanna go have 10,000,   you know, coconut currencies and turtle currencies and save the trees currencies. Like,   don't like, have initiatives, but we have one solid sound money called Bitcoin. And so I think having these conversations with these other audiences   in a compassionate way is very important for all of us because they're   they're tired and exhausted, and they're not economists. They're not billionaires. They're not hedge fund people. They're not cryptographers and cypherpunks. So   I'm experiencing   a lot of opportunity to build bridges with a lot of these folks who do wanna make the world better, but they just don't know that Bitcoin is, like, this base layer of truth money. You know? And and  

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Yeah. You know? I can see that. I can see that.   Yeah. And but Yeah. Once they once they understand, what I guess, basically, what I should say is the difference between Bitcoiners who are educated Yeah. And crypto people who are educated,  

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Bitcoiners think they can save the world. They educate. Yeah. And we know we can. That's it. It's not even just think. Like, we know that this is, like, this is the magic's, like,   thing. I don't wanna say thing, but it The magical Internet money. The magical Internet money. It's real. You know? And and, you know, when I first started learning about, you know, the the remittances, you know, and going back and forth all around the countries, and certain GDPs are hugely reliant on remittances. And then learning that, like, oh,   do you have to take a cut out of Western Union, and and grandma has to leave the house and go in a dangerous gang infested neighborhood for 2 hours to go get her $100,   which now is, whatever, $90.  

And when she comes out of Western Union, someone knows she's got money or she wouldn't have been inside Western Union. Exactly. And then she's got something that nobody can, you know, trace if she she's got cash that get leaves, you know, that she gets mugged. And so   when I started seeing all of these types of use cases, you know, and then obviously what president Bukele has done is incredible.   No. Incredible. Incredible. You know, he's he's I love it. And I'm like, why don't we have more leaders   that get it, that care about it? I mean, it's not what he's done is not a perfect solution, obviously, with, like, the blanketing of getting all these gang folks off street. I'm glad he did, but now he's gotta really understand, like, is are some of these people truly innocent, and let's get them out because   when you do create a big fishing net, yeah, yeah, let's get all the bad stuff, but you might accidentally have a few a few innocent people.  

But our leaders today are just they're so   they're flaccid,   you know, and it's depressing to see that, and I he's not, and I'm really impressed by his   his tenacity,   and he gets the truth,  

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and and it's changed. Our system has has been corrupted.   Our system has been corrupted. It's so corrupt. Corrupted by people with money, paying money. I mean, why let's put it this way. Why would and and I'm I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican. I'm just using this person because this came to my mind. Why would Nancy Pelosi,   who's, like, 80 years old, worth a $100,000,000,   wanna still be working? I know. I mean, really, just the fact that I don't have to work anymore and not just working,   working in hell.  

You know? So   so   I can't tell you something. There's gotta be something really good making her want to work in hell   with her money at that age. You know? Must be something going on. Well and I think of look. All of these folks. I mean, it's just like And both sides is the same way. Yeah. It's the same way both sides. That's why I said, I just picked the name. I'm not saying it's a Democrat thing. Both sides you know, They had a vote the other day for term limits and   down. You know? Because that's what I think is really the worst thing that's ever happened is we don't have term limits.  

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That is I can't even understand how that's even   logical   in any sane planet. It's not. Like, we need to have term limits. I think we need to have cognitive ability limits. Unfortunately, president Biden is my mom my my bonus mom had Alzheimer's, and   watching him speak in what he's doing and saying he was meeting dead people twice this week   Yeah. You should not have to the nuclear codes, my friend. Like and say goodbye, and thank you for your service. Have a nice day. That he I don't know that he does have access to nuclear.   You know what I mean. Like, as a president of, you know, and leader of the free world,  

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you're done. Like, you know, this is unacceptable. Are you familiar with the book are you familiar with the book Common Sense by Thomas Paine? I've heard it, but I haven't read it. No. This came out, like, before the revolution. Okay. No. You know, Common Sense. This is a small book. It's a small book. You can read it in the afternoon.   But this book was written, like I said, 100 of years ago. Okay. And in this book, Thomas Paine says   that when we become a free country and have our own   government,   people should only be able to serve   in the government at the capital for a certain amount of term Yeah. Or else they'll start representing the capital   in   state. So I knew this and put it on 200 years ago. You know? So this isn't like some new concept. This was before we were a country, he said it. He could see what would happen. You know? You   start representing if you're there for 40 years, that's your home. You're not representing Cleveland, Ohio anymore or Dallas, Texas.  



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Well and it's hard to have any impartiality   and and,   you know, really sticking with   what you were voted to get done if you're just continuing to get, like   I I think of, like,   we we when we were working on the satoshi, the cyber opera, we called the system the kraken. You know? It's just got its tentacles everywhere, and it's like it's like a cancer   that's   how can you extract yourself from that if you keep perpetually   going deeper every year into this politically corrupt system that's designed,  

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you know, to eat itself, basically. And so Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a tough one. Page.   I think I think most people   are on the same page. And I and I think the people who are on the page   are more up at there's 2 things I think people are more apt   to be Bitcoiners and understand quickly. People who are on that page   who who see what's happening. And for some reason, I think artistic people see Bitcoin a lot quicker because Artistic or autistic? Both of us. Both of us. Both I'm a part of both, I think.   But artistic people, because they're used to working   with things that aren't solid, that are conceptual.  

I don't know if I'm saying that right, but I think artistic people can see possibilities   because they can see a canvas, and they go, I could see or they can see stone and go, I'm I can do this. They can see things that someone else who's like,   this one plus 1 is 2. 2 plus 2 is 4. This is no exception to the rule. They can't see these things as easily because they're so bound by by these laws that they made on themselves. You know? Like, time is time. You know? There's no flexibility in it. You know? So I think that those both I think the people who feel like they're libertarians maybe, you know, they probably jump all over it, libertarians, you know, because they know everything's going to hell. You know? And, people who are artistic, no matter what the art is, I just think their minds   work differently  

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than Well, I can't. Us. Well, you said it. I love the way you said it. It's like, you know,   as creators, whatever your medium is, you know, using the blank blank canvas as an example, like,   we can see something past a blank canvas, you know, on anything, whether it's music, whether it's writing, whether it's film. It doesn't matter. A business like, visionary business people, like, I love business because it's like a puzzle. You know? It's a puzzle that hasn't been formed yet, but then you look at the back. You know, other people have done stuff, and you're like, I'm gonna take that, that, that. I'm gonna remix it. Now I'm gonna try this new business model.   Okay. This works. This doesn't.  

You're constantly in flux mode when you're a business person. So I think business people are such great creators, you know, when they're   start up people or when they're entrepreneurs.   If you're just working in corporate America and you're getting your check, you don't have as much flexibility to think outside of the current system because it's feeding you, and then you get pushed back against, you know,   on ideas   because they don't fit in the the big giant, you know, steam machine of of the corporate structures. And so   let's talk I wanna wrap up here in a few, but what would you say to folks who are,   you know, boomers,   people who are a little older that were thinking, you know, how am I gonna protect myself   from this melting   thing called Fiat or the bonds or my 401 k that's only getting 3% a year or whatever it is? Like, how can Bitcoin help   people who are Well, I think yeah. A lot of people  

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a lot of people are down on ETFs,   you know, which   Bitcoin will take care of itself there. Yeah. Bitcoin always takes care of itself. It's just gonna happen. But I had was talking to someone the other day who wanted to buy before the ETFs came out. Mhmm. They were wanting to put a $100,000   in Bitcoin. And we were talking about it, and they said, I wanna pull out of my   IRA's retirement a 100,000 and buy Bitcoin, but soon as I do,   I'm gonna get hit for about 20% in capital gains.   So I don't wanna do it because if I bought a 100, I got 80. It took a big hit. Now it's gonna have to come back.   But   he could buy ETFs   and not take that initial hit.  

Now here, see, I think ETFs   are gonna open, are kinda like a sneaky way of getting people into Bitcoin. So they're buying ETFs. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Trojan horse. Thank you. And now all of a sudden, they go, hey. And they start finding out about Bitcoin, and they go, why am I paying   for this? Yeah. It doesn't look that can handle this because it's not that hard. And then they'll start buying a little bit, and then they'll go, well, I'm not buying anymore of this. Yeah. Hack   Bitcoin from now on. So I think it's a a Trojan horse is a great word for it. Some that's a great word for it, actually, is they come in thinking they're gonna be able to sell it. Yeah. Alex Gladstein always talks about Bitcoin being a Trojan horse, so I'm not gonna take credit. I'm inspired by his conversations about it. So  

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but it is. It's it is a Trojan horse for a lot of folks and they get excited, and it's fine. It's top of funnel. It's, you know, you're thinking of how you're gonna have your conversions along the way for consciousness and action. And so   whatever the path of least resistance is for some people to get over that initial hump, some people are freaked out thinking like, oh, I don't wanna be my old bank and hold my own keys. I like customer support, or I like and that's cool because that's how we're conditioned for decades decades, especially as older people that are in service. Conditioned.   Yeah. And the young folks who don't have that, you know, decades of muscle memory   are just more like, yeah. I don't want the system over here that keeps, you know, stealing my money, stealing my purchasing power with their policies, you know, to be in charge of my life's work. And so   it's easier for younger minds  

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because they haven't been so, you know, entrenched in the And they don't even open in bank accounts anymore when they're, you know, not you know, being your own bank, which is what you are with Bitcoin.   Yeah. You're your own bank. Okay? You're not only just not using the bank. You are your own bank. Now that's a great power. And as Voltaire said, with great power comes great responsibility.   And most people   are not prepared for the responsibility because they haven't had to have any responsibility   when it comes to keeping their money safe. They haven't had to have any. Yeah. I think it's a it's  

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oh, I was watching.   Oh, gosh. Was it Tucker yeah. I think it was Tucker car Carlson had somebody on the other day that was talking about the   that weight loss drug that everybody's taking, the blah blah, whatever it's called. Prozempic. Is it yeah. And so Prozempic?   Something. Yeah. So he had somebody on, and they were discussing, you know, all the implications of it and just the the doctors are actually telling people, like, you can just take this pill and eat what you want. Don't worry. And so even just in the same thing, like, Weight Watchers is going in and telling people, you can just don't worry. It's not your fault actually that you're overweight. It's you can take this pill, and it's fine.   So to me, that level of consciousness and mindset of, like,   just take the pill and you don't actually have to do the work to get a result,   you know,   is it permeates   in all   Yeah. It permeates in all of this culture, and it keeps getting worse and worse and worse, I think. And so, I mean, Bitcoin, obviously, if we want to be our own banks and have that radical self responsibility,   you know, we do have to put in some proof of work, and we do have to poke holes in things. And   it's not about just,   okay,   daddy, take care of everything for me, you know? And I think that mindset, we really have to keep shifting people away and thinking, like,   there's there's not a pill for everything. I mean, the orange pill requires work, you know, if you're a Bitcoiner. You don't get to just It'll require   Is Yeah. Losing weight requires not eating. It requires a lot of things. It's not just like I'm gonna keep doing all this stuff. Not eating. Yeah. It is like it's a combination of things, and so   there is no one Yeah. I weighed £375.  



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You did? Okay. So I was a big dude. No way. Like, I had to get an extender. Oh. I had to get an extender on the airplane. Gary, no way. 2 miles a night. You're amazing. I I've walked 2 miles once or twice a day, but when I stopped   eating, I lost weight. Yeah. You know, when I just quit eating. I went on a protein shake diet for, like,   2 months, 3 months.   I think the biggest thing I quit doing was drinking diet sodas. Yep.   Yeah. I would drink, like, 10 diet sodas a day. When I quit drinking diet sodas, I lost £30 just by not drinking diet sodas.   You know? So, yeah, I was huge.  

So it was, it was and it wasn't I didn't do a lot of exercise. I just started controlling what went in my mouth.  

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Yeah. Our consumption model is important. What goes in here and what goes in here is is super duper important. And so, well, congratulations on that. I like how you did both of those. I like how you did both of those. All of it. Yeah.   It is. It's very important, and, obviously, you took action and understood it's not just gonna happen overnight. And,   I mean, where you go, dude? That's amazing.  

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Yeah. I was always the fattest person in any room I went in. I mean, ever. You know? Wow. And I wasn't that as a kid, but I had, over time,  

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just 8 and 8 and 8 and 8, whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted as much as I want. Wow. And so when did this happen? When did this occur that you had a wake up and changed your behavior? 2000  

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I probably started in 2015.   So before you were a Bitcoiner? Yeah. Changing my And then here you are Yeah. Healthy  

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Bitcoiner and bringing everybody together and  

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you know? Yeah. I'm I'm up a little bit now because I'm, like, 2:20   maybe. I had gotten down to 195. That was my goal to get under 200. Wow. So I'm up a little bit now. So but, actually, I'm, like, on a diet again now trying to get back under 200. And are you because like I said, it's what you put in your mouth. You can exercise all you want, but if you're still putting all that crap in your mouth, you aren't gonna see big success. You just might get muscles on top of the fat or under the fat.  

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Yeah. It's insane. I know. And the the concept that this gentleman was talking about, he was like, you become a lifelong drug addict of this Ozapam or whatever it's called. And   because if if you go off of it, you're gonna get the weight back, and, of course, people are having all these abdominal issues and all these horrible side effects, and they're just like, well, it's okay. I'm like,   there's natural ways that we can at least attempt. And if for some reason all of those things don't work,   sure, maybe you've got some kind of a genetic issue or whatever it might be. I'm not a doctor, but, like,  

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try that stuff. There there are section of the rules. Some people do have, but majority of people that are overweight ate too much food, in my opinion, in my humble opinion. Yeah. And there are exceptions to the rule exceptions to every rule, but   a lot of people just from eating too much food.  

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Yeah. Oh, wow. Or wrong Congrats. Are the wrong food. And the wrong food, and we're we're incentivized to have the wrong food. It's advertised to us. It's cheaper. It's subsidized. It's, like, basically, it's sugar   and processed crap,   and it's not this, you know, let's go have whole foods from the earth that haven't don't have ingredients in them that I can't pronounce. You know? And I'm guilty of it. I like pizza, and I'll go eat some nachos. I'm not something like, oh, I'm just gonna eat grass every day.  

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But Yes. I I eating bread. That was a biggie too. I don't eat bread, and I don't drink beer anymore because that's like drinking bread. It's yeah. Drink beer, and I used to love beer.  

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It's it's it's I know beer is definitely   a a a thing that can contribute to, you know, your heart weight.   What would you say to somebody who's listening to this podcast,   we'll wrap it up here in a sec, who's new to Bitcoin, who might be a little bit older,   who's just like, I'm not a cryptographer, and I'm not a cypherpunk   kid. I'm you know, like, they wanna start getting involved in Bitcoin. How would you invite them to start learning?  

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I'd say what I said earlier.   Go   to some place like Swan. I'm I know there's a ton of them. I'm not promoting them necessarily.   But and start buying $5 worth a week. 5 a week. You know? I mean yeah. $5 a week. So all you gotta do is get them to buy some on a regular basis, whether it's $5, $10, whatever, and then they'll buy   after   2, 3 months. Majority of them will start doing that, and they'll buy whatever their budget allows. Yeah. Whether it's 10,000,   5000,   a 1000, a 100,000.   They'll they'll learn Bitcoin, and they'll get orange pilled. You can let it's much easier to let them orange pilled people. All you gotta do is turn people on to the faucet. Yeah. You know? And and someone like swan would be the faucet. You just gotta lead them to the water   and let them start drinking some water. Next thing you know, they're picking that hose up and putting it in their mouth and sucking it all the way down, getting Bitcoin. Well, they're gonna get that that fire hose of epic Bitcoin  

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conference and people and connection and community at Bitblock Boom in April. And so   That's true. Yeah. It's I highly recommend I hope I I still am trying to think if I can get there. I'm gonna be the week before, I'm gonna be at Summit at Sea. I just got confirmation that I'll be doing that. And so there's a lot of Yeah. That sounds like a great it sounds like a great time. It's gonna all of it's gonna be all of them are gonna be a great time, but I want I wanna, you know, I wanna kinda fractalize myself and be at all of the events at once   and still be a good mom. But for anybody listening, if you can't see the screen, obviously, go to bitblockboomdot   com, and you guys can go learn about the conference that Gary's been putting on and bringing everybody together around the Bitcoin community and having   pure signal.  

No nonsense, no crypto, no blockchain.  

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It's just Bitcoin. So I think that's gonna be really cool. Yeah. And then go follow Gary come up to me and tell me when someone's talking about another shit coin, and I have to go over and address him. And you're like, excuse me. You'll come and go, hey. Pushing.   Pushing Ethereum. I have to go there and go, hey,   dude.   You can't talk about Ethereum here. I have to kick you out. Okay.  

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I think it's interesting, though, Gary, because, like, I think about, you know, myself as an outsider at a lot of these, you know, these climate events and these nature events. And a lot of them talk about Ethereum and all this. And when I mentioned Bitcoin, they're like, you're boiling the ocean in evil. So   I think, you know, people do wanna come in and have conversations, but it's like, I mean, I'm never gonna show up about Bitcoin, so   you can't make me.   But I think it's interesting that people will wanna try to cross pollinate a little bit. So I would love to see more Bitcoiners,   not just at Bitcoin events, but at   other verticals, you know, whether it's activist, whether it's environmental, whether it's hedge funds, whatever. I think us Bitcoiners need to   meet with each other at places like Bitblock Boom and then go spread the the gospel   into these other other places, you know, so that we can orange pill the world. Agree a 100.  

Yeah. Yeah. Well okay. Everybody's That's a good that's a good one.   It is. Yeah. We've gotta get them out. Oh, and tell me. Use the code love. Tell me to use your code love as they do buy tickets. Use the code love. Go to Bitblock Boom. And if you hit love, and maybe you'll see me, and you get 10% off too, which is super cool. But make sure you go follow Gary Leland at garyleeland.com.   And if you're on x, you can follow him also at Gary Leland. Gary, thanks so much for taking time to be with me and the rest of the audience, and I hope you have such a great day. And I really do hope I can see you whether it's not in Dallas this year. I'll see you sometime, hopefully, this year at one of the We'll we'll see each other. I know that for sure. We'll see each other somewhere for sure. Thanks for having me on the show.   Yeah. Totally. Thanks, Gary, for all the work you're doing out there, And thanks, everybody, for tuning in to Bitcoin for Peace. And I'm DJ Valerie, and have an awesome day. Aloha.  



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Yeah.