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In this special episode of the Bitcoin for Families Virtual Summit, we bring together some of the most innovative minds in the Bitcoin education space to discuss how Bitcoin can be a powerful tool for families. We kick off with Daniel Prince and his daughter Lauren, who share their journey of integrating Bitcoin into their family life and the impact it has had on their homeschooling approach. They emphasize the importance of community and how attending Bitcoin conferences as a family has enriched their lives.
Next, we hear from Scott and Tali Lindberg of Free Market Kids, who discuss their unique approach to teaching Bitcoin through games. They highlight the importance of meeting people where they are and using games as a bridge to understanding complex concepts like Bitcoin. Tali shares her insights on the challenges of introducing Bitcoin to older children and the importance of positive messaging.
The conversation then shifts to the broader impact of Bitcoin education, with a focus on the importance of critical thinking and the role of parents as guides rather than heroes. The panelists share personal stories of how Bitcoin has transformed their family dynamics and the joy of seeing their children engage with the Bitcoin community.
In the second half of the episode, we are joined by Sela from Bitcoin Junior Club, Scott Sibley from Shamory, and Tomer Strolight, author of "Satoshi Nakamoto and His Bitcoin Invention." Sela shares her experiences organizing the kids' zone at the Adopting Bitcoin conference in El Salvador, highlighting the importance of creating spaces for children to explore Bitcoin in a fun and engaging way.
Scott discusses the evolution of Shamory and the joy of involving his children in the Bitcoin community, while Tomer talks about the inspiration behind his children's book and the importance of fostering creativity and belief in oneself. The episode wraps up with a discussion on the power of storytelling and the potential for Bitcoin to inspire future generations.
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(00:00:32) Introduction and Welcome
(00:01:06) Bitcoin as a Tool for Families
(00:01:49) Introductions: Daniel and Lauren Prince
(00:03:52) Impact of Bitcoin on Families
(00:05:23) Introductions: Scott and Tali Lindberg
(00:06:33) Challenges in Teaching Bitcoin to Family
(00:10:19) Role of Parents as Guides
(00:13:48) Adapting Bitcoin Education for Different Audiences
(00:17:07) Lauren's Experience with Bitcoin
(00:19:30) World Schooling and Education
(00:26:09) Bitcoin Conferences and Family Involvement
(00:32:30) Games as Educational Tools
(00:39:36) Impact of Bitcoin on Personal Growth
(00:46:20) Free Market Kids and Educational Resources
(00:52:30) Choose Life: Daniel's Book
(01:00:31) Introduction to Shala, Scott, and Tomer
(01:06:40) Family Involvement in Bitcoin Conferences
(01:11:38) Experiences from El Salvador
(01:20:30) Inspiration from Satoshi Nakamoto
(01:28:30) Encouraging Creativity and Imagination
(01:38:30) Global Perspectives on Bitcoin Education
(01:54:34) Upcoming Events and Conferences
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Unknown:
Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Happy Saturday. Happy holidays. Happy oh my gosh. We're gonna have the best Bitcoin for Families virtual summit. I haven't done this before. This is the first time. So I feel super honored and privileged to have 2 sets of the best homeschoolers and Bitcoiners and educators here for this first hour. This is Daniel Prince and his beautiful daughter, Lauren. Hi, you guys. Welcome. Hello. And this is Scott and Tali Lindberg from Free Market Kids. Hi, you guys. Aloha. Yay. So alright. So I just you know, we obviously wanted to talk about, you know, how is Bitcoin a tool for families, and how can we help other, you know, parents and young people learn about Bitcoin in a way that's accessible, that's fun, that's creative, that's playful.
And you guys have all done your own beautiful parts with the way that you educate with the podcasting, with the games, with the books. And so I would love to, just let you guys talk about how you got here, what your, you know, what your experience has been, and what kind of before and after transformations you've been able to see in your own lives, in your families, and then with the people that you serve. And so we'll break those down over the course of the hour. But, but, yeah, first, I think how do how about Daniel and Lauren? Why don't you guys, you know, introduce yourselves, and then we'll, we'll let you guys talk about, you know, who you are, how you got here, and then we'll have Scott and Tali jump up and, do the same. Okay?
[00:02:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for hosting us, and thank you for doing everything that you do to to spread Bitcoin knowledge, around the world. Valerie, it's it's very important. And Scott and Tali as well who have done some incredible work. And I know they've been even touring, homeschool conferences to to to lay the foundational orange pill with their their product Huddle Up. And it was very it was it was a great privilege to have them on the podcast as well this year. So if anybody's not listened to the once bitten podcast, that's the podcast that Lauren hosts and lets me, you know, ask a few questions on her behalf.
Right, Lauren? Yeah. Yeah. I I do all the scheduling. I'm Lauren's people. I don't think people you know? I do all the scheduling and all of the recording and all of the editing, and she asks, what, 2 or 3 questions to show and then just flips off and leaves me to handle the rest of the hour?
[00:02:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Basically.
[00:03:02] Unknown:
So we yeah. The the the one's bits and podcast has been going for 5 years in January.
[00:03:09] Unknown:
Wow.
[00:03:10] Unknown:
Lauren has been asking the first question on each show, since about 10th show. Andy Edstrom was the first person to face you down, wasn't he? And, it's been an incredible journey. And our story, I suppose, has resonated with families around the world that, are struggling to bring in their families, whether it's their immediate family, their spouses, and their kids, or whether they're extended family, And that the homeschooling or unschooling or worldschooling aspect of that, is linked to my book, which I wrote while well, yeah, whilst I was falling down the Bitcoin rabbit hole and the self directed education rabbit hole at the same time. So I think that's what resonates with families. I just got an unsolicited email this morning from a family in in Australia that are gonna sell their house, go all in in Bitcoin, take their kids out of school, and start, homeschooling and traveling. So it's it's those little wins that you wake up to in the morning that that make all of this worth it. So big thank you to the community, to the listeners, and to everybody else that's been putting their best effort forward to to spread the message of of Bitcoin education around the world.
[00:04:23] Unknown:
Amazing. And then, Tali and Scott, why don't you let everybody know, like, what you guys are up to, who you are, what's free market kids, and, and we'll just keep popcorning back and forth so everybody can kinda get going. But before we do that really quick, like, way to go, Daniel. Like, you never know who your message touches. Right? And you never know if they ever even reach out to you in the future. Right? And so that's what's so cool about, you know, this technology, this day and age, our ability to have a podcast, our ability to have a voice with social media because it's like you just never know what that little tiny spark of message is gonna get somebody ignited. And then all of a sudden, they get, you know, a whole new life just because you said something that mattered to them. And so for everybody listening, like, your voice is your superpower, and so use it as much as possible with love and with dignity and integrity. And that's what's so cool about Bitcoin. So I just wanna say congrats on that, Daniel. That's amazing.
Thank you. Yeah. For sure. So Tali and Scott, what's up? Why don't you start, sweetie?
[00:05:27] Unknown:
Well, we started in Bitcoin much, much later than Daniel and Lauren, actually. And, and our kids were already graduating from high school when we really went in deep. So unfortunately, we sort of passed that life stage when you could tell them anything and they just accept it. So they have been a challenge for us because we've taught them so well. You know? That's what they tell me. Mom, you've taught us so well. You told us to question what people tell us, and that is what we are exercising right now. So They say that after they've already challenged her on something? Yes.
[00:06:01] Unknown:
Right now. So They say that after they've already challenged her on something Yes. And she gets upset, and they say, well, you taught us. You taught us. Beautiful. So they actually pose a very unique challenge to us because we're not
[00:06:14] Unknown:
able to just say something and have them accept it. So we're constantly doing this dance between pushing for a little bit more acceptance and easing back and letting them make their own choices. That really is a dance you have to end up finessing. You know? And so that's where we are. And and I think one of the biggest lessons that I have learned since entering the Bitcoin space and wanting to share Bitcoin with my own family, as well as other people's families, is you've just got to meet them where they are. So we have so much. We wanna tell people.
But if you come at them directly, sometimes that's the worst thing you can do. So everything we do is to try to tell them stuff without them putting up a wall. So we started with the Huddle Up game. From there, it I started the podcast to reach women. From there, I started working on children books because there are people who are ready to hear about money, and there are people who are who need to work on other things first. So there are all of these stepping stones. You have to be just recognize where they are and understand that they are still maybe 5 steps away from you telling them about money, but that is also okay. And so just leave room for different kinds of discussions and eventually be able to meander their attention toward where we want them to go. Right.
I'll, I'll just share a really quick story. What you said at Valerie about having other people respond to you, but not really knowing how that's gonna come back to you. So recently someone reached out to me and it was a gentleman who was a Bitcoiner. And he said, will you please talk to my wife? She's very, very scared about us entering the Bitcoin space as a family. I said, let's go have her call me and I will answer her questions. And then that way, you know, after the phone call, I felt so good because I was able to translate something that
[00:08:19] Unknown:
her husband wasn't able to translate for her. So, anyway, I just wanna Yeah. It's about it's about impact, and I think a huge part of that is is just setting the example. So, I mean, we're still we'll still learn a lot. If you haven't listened to Walker on on the once bitten podcast, It it just came out last week or the week before. Just phenomenal deep dive on on homeschool. And what's it's not necessarily just the words that are said. So think about it. So so Lauren, some some day you'll look back on this, and you'll probably say, okay, now I get it. But by coming on all these different podcasts, you have you are so much more prepared than anybody who's in a public school right now.
And that's not your dad preaching at you. It's him saying, we're gonna give you the opportunity to to go and do things. And so I, lately, I've been trying to I've been trying to put a a framework around this, and the the closest thing I can think of is, as parents, we're not the heroes in this this story. The the heroes are the Lawrence and all the other kids out there. Our job is to be their guide. And they're gonna have to go through their own troubles, and you gotta let them go out there and and struggle with it. So my guess is, Lauren, the first time you went up there was hard to ask a question. And you held your own with Walker, and I thought you're gonna take over that whole podcast.
Right? So I think just what a what a stunning example. So when you when you listen to whether it's whether it's Bitcoin Homeschoolers with us, or Once bitten, or any other, it's it's not just the words that are said. It's you're you're setting an example for for others, and it does. It fills you up. You have that this fulfilling at least we do. It fulfills you when you realize that you've made an impact on somebody else and you've helped them in some way. And that is, I mean, that is just I don't know how the words for it, but it is very fulfilling.
[00:10:24] Unknown:
Yeah. It's just to build on that, actually, how did you I'm gonna ask Lauren a question. Were you nervous the first time that you you were 9 years of age when you started asking these questions. And it was Lauren's choice, by the way. This wasn't the shtick of the show. You know? This was this happened organically. I was leaving dinner each night, wasn't I? Like, gulping down my dinner because I had a podcast interview. You guys have seen a change in me and my behavior and my thinking. And now I was a podcaster. You know, you're expecting, you know, that that that career change.
And you asked, didn't you? Why why did you wanna come and do do you remember that? No? I don't, honestly, I don't really remember,
[00:11:10] Unknown:
and I also don't think I noticed you changing probably my 9 year old brain. Yeah. But, and, no. I'm not I don't I don't think I was nervous. I was just another human being and I didn't, like
[00:11:24] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:11:25] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just another human being that I like I thought you did you know him before? Andy, I'd read his book. We had DM ed each other
[00:11:34] Unknown:
and set up, I had a new podcast. Andy had, trepidations. He's like, who's this British guy that's gonna start Bitcoin podcast? Like,
[00:11:42] Unknown:
whatever.
[00:11:44] Unknown:
Okay. He wasn't impressed with, my original artwork on the, on the podcast. You gotta be careful. Right? You you can't just go and, you know, talk about your life's work with, I could have been a crypto bro. Yeah. And, you know, it wouldn't have been the right message. But, yeah, we we gained each other's trust, and he came on the podcast. And this is one thing I actually wanna say, a big shout out to any of the guests that have been on the Once bitten podcast. Like, the the humility that they've shown in answering Lauren's questions from from the age of 9, you know, you you don't know how people are gonna react to that. And I've interviewed my goodness. I mean, over 500 shows now, somewhat double, appearances. So maybe 450 different people. And every single different person has been gracious, has given Lauren the time, and any of the other kids that have come on to ask questions, including professional football players that answer my son's football questions. You know?
Everybody has been so gracious with their time, and it puts them on the spot because they can't answer a stock question with a stock answer. They have to switch their mind and try and find an analogy that's going to hit home with a 9, 10, 11, 12, or 13 year old. And that includes Michael Sailor and Jeff Booth and Glyn Alden and anybody else that's been on the show that all of I remember you asked Parker Lewis, what is a hedge fund? And he was like,
[00:13:17] Unknown:
fuck. Well,
[00:13:20] Unknown:
you can't give an, you you you've gotta think about a different way to present your answer to, you know, a a a kid. And in doing that, you show humility and that sets the rest of the show up for for that, like, natural conversation to unfold. So a big thank you to everybody that's ever come on the show, and I know, Scott and Tali, you've been on as well. Thank you. And for giving up their time to come on and and have these conversations.
[00:13:47] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. It's really, really important. I think, you know, like you had mentioned earlier, Tali, it's like you meet people where they're at. And so if you're having a conversation with a retired person or a child or a hedge fund manager, perhaps, you know, you're gonna have different ways that you need to do your your mental gymnastics to have, you know, an intelligent answer that is, you know, meaningful for the person who's listening. And so I think that's super important. So, Lauren, let me ask you this. What, you know, what do your friends think of, you know, your relationship to Bitcoin and doing the podcast and being an educator and an advocate? Are all of your friends Bitcoiners, or how do you communicate with your friends?
[00:14:29] Unknown:
Well, most of my friends are new and, because we moved to England. And, me and my siblings are not trying to scare them away yet. But, it has come up a couple times, to explain, like, why I go to conferences or because my dad has to do something. I'm like, oh, yeah. It's for, like, my dad's work. And I want to try and explain it, but I don't feel like there's just enough time and to be honest, energy right now, but, like, probably more in the future.
[00:15:07] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:15:08] Unknown:
And and how has and how has this, experience changed your relationship with your father? Has it brought you guys closer together to get to do these projects? Like, how do you feel like your your relationship has shifted?
[00:15:22] Unknown:
I would say so. I know that me and my dad had a grudge when I was 6 because I kept annoying the hell out of him. But I don't I don't what do you think?
[00:15:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's cool that we get to hang out and do this together. I think it's very cool. And, like, Scott was saying, what you're learning from having these conversations with people who are not me is that's the gold. That's the Bitcoin, I suppose, the saps. That's that's where the learning is happening, and you don't realize it yet. But you will I'm sure you've that you've come across times that words are coming out of your mouth that you had no idea were actually in your brain. And the knowledge that you can you can share with people is will just be natural through having these conversations. And, getting, you know, like Scott said, just having you put in the put in the way and having these conversations with people is the the best education I could have ever dreamt of for for you to to learn about Bitcoin and the way that it changes people. And every person you've met has been, what, fun, intelligent, honest, shown, you know, integrity, wants the wants the best for other people. That's the only reason they come on. It's the only reason they write the books, just, design the games.
So
[00:16:48] Unknown:
and the plushies. Right? The plushies.
[00:16:53] Unknown:
So I if I could interject, I think your relationship just shines through, and I know that when our girls who are off at college tell their peers that they came up through some type of state school, that they're gonna talk to their parents, there there's a shock that they're gonna share with their parents something about that's personal. There's even this disbelief that they could they could do it. So so so, Valerie, you're hitting on one of the biggest upside. It's so asymmetric. The upside is so asymmetric to have that relationship with your your kids, and I think we lost Val. Okay.
[00:17:33] Unknown:
No. No. No. I'm I'm just going off so you guys can be bigger on the screen. Don't worry. I wanna I wanna highlight you.
[00:17:39] Unknown:
Okay. I'm not going anywhere.
[00:17:41] Unknown:
I think your relationship comes through. And then and then Lauren, so I actually would wonder I have this question. I don't know how many of your friends are homeschooled versus some other state school or other. But another way of looking at this whole conversation is, from at least what we've experienced, we always treated our children as a person. We respected them, we treated them, we didn't try to baby them, we didn't give them baby talk, and the whole FUD around socialization is so backwards because it is homeschoolers or worldschoolers where you have to interact with people who are not your own age. And when you are forced in a state school to be with people your own age, you are robbing those children of the opportunity of learning how to talk with others.
And it's it's so obvious. It's it's if you look at it, someone like yourself coming on here and and 500 episodes later of of of podcast, that's not what people get out of the the state controlled type of environment. And it's it's such a simple thing. Let people interact with people of different ages. That's natural. That's life. So if you wanna world school somebody, let them talk to anybody. That's I don't know. I think your relationship comes shining through, and there's there's so many levels to that, Valerie. Good luck taking that whatever way you wanna take it.
[00:19:07] Unknown:
Well, that's I I would love to and I love you know, obviously, you guys talk and, Daniel, you speak speak about world schooling, and and that's something I think that, you know, our kids were brought up in the Montessori school in, when we lived in Hawaii. And it was only 3 levels that were in the same room, but that still was very, you know, a little bit more world like. Right? Because you had the older kids help in the younger kids. They get empowerment. The kids look up, etcetera. And so they're getting that cross, aged, you know, integration. And so I think, you know, what Lauren is getting to experience is, you know, you're you're getting life on steroids, you know, being able to do this, you know, in such a beautiful way and in such a beautiful supportive environment, like you said, Daniel, like and and I know you guys experienced this too, Scott and Tali. Like, everyone who's a Bitcoiner and an educator and somebody who's in this this love illusion, this revolution for the future, like, we're all in it to win it. Like, we want the world to be better than we found it. And and anybody who's excited or interested, it's like, cool. Let's we've got time to share with you. You know? Like, let's yeah. You've got questions. There's no dumb questions. Like, let's pull up a chair and let's have a cup of tea or something. So it's it's changed my life in ways that I've never even thought possible. Like, the people that I've gotten the privilege to meet, like you guys, and getting to go travel, and just the way that my whole world view has shifted, and the way that my positivity and hope for the future has shifted. Because, obviously, as we all know, you know, the world can seem kinda scary, you know, especially with all the FUD and the the media and all the things that are out there. And so when we have Bitcoin in our our toolkit, you know, it's not just a tool. It's like it's an energy. It's a vibration of of hope. It's a vibration of the future in innovation. And so, so Scott and Tali, I'd love for you guys to share a little bit about, the games and, like, why did you choose games instead of just books to teach people?
[00:21:07] Unknown:
Can I, can I actually kind of back up a little bit? I just wanna make a comment really quick. Yeah. For sure. I wanna address families, especially Bitcoiners who are listening and their kids don't want to hear it. That's the authority of Bitcoiners out there from every conversation I've had. I would say 99% of the Bitcoiners struggle with this. And I just wanna say, it's okay if they are unwilling to directly listen to you when you tell them about the coin. Mhmm. But if you continue to talk about it, if you think out loud and you're talking about it, they will be storing that information in the back of their mind. And one day, when it applies to them, it would already be in there. So in that way, they're still benefiting, so don't get too frustrated that they're not saying, oh, I love you, daddy, so much for telling me about Bitcoin. That may or may not ever happen, but you're still influencing them. So that's the first thing. And the them. So that's the first thing. And the second thing I wanna just say is also be careful when you're talking about Bitcoin, that you're not being super negative about everything else, because negativity turns people away. People are naturally attracted to positive energy, and you're naturally repelled by negative energy. So you might have good intentions because you wanna direct your intention and and your family's attention towards something good. But because you're emphasizing the good by really amplifying the bad, you're gonna turn them away. So continue to talk about Bitcoin, focus on the good stuff, and don't worry too too much that they're not openly accepting it because they're still benefiting from it. So I just wanted to add that in there, and then now we can talk about the game. That I just I'll I'll popcorn really back on that and then the game if you got if you don't mind. Like, I
[00:22:51] Unknown:
tally, I hear you. I know my family, you know, they're still not Bitcoiners and, I mean, they're eventually, everyone will be a Bitcoiner, I think. And and, you know, and I think you guys said it too, Lauren and Daniel. And it's like sometimes you need to hear it from someone who's not your family, you know? And and same thing even with husbands and wives. Right? Like I know, right? You know, you like tell your husband something 20 times or your boyfriend and then he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he goes and hears it somewhere else and he's like, hey, did you hear about the thing? And you're just like, really?
[00:23:23] Unknown:
And And you don't have something to say apparently. That's what
[00:23:27] Unknown:
that's what my mom does. She tells my dad all these things and he's like, yeah. Yeah. And then like 2 months later, he's like, did you hear about this? And I'm like, yes. I told you.
[00:23:38] Unknown:
Lauren, you haven't heard about the secret dad school yet, have you? Yeah. Like, we are we are specialty trained. These are these arts are hard to to achieve this level of mastery. Sounds like, you know, you know, I'm a maybe Daniel too were, experts at this.
[00:23:57] Unknown:
Selective
[00:23:57] Unknown:
hearing is what it's called. Selective. It's true with kids though. If you if you look at kids, you will listen. They're more likely to listen to someone who's just one step ahead of them. So if you're high school and you're listening to someone in college, they're more likely to listen to that person because they can relate to that person more than an adult. And that's not always true. You can have your heroes, but the message does it it does matter. The messenger
[00:24:20] Unknown:
does does matter. Messenger does matter. And I think a lot of times because, you know, the tight family units, we've we've had, you know, certain incentives to, like, okay. You're trying to tell the kid what to do or you're trying to, you know, get your partner to do a certain thing versus, you know, so there's that kind of baggage of our history in relationships. And so you're right. Like, having a clear messenger who doesn't have any agenda other than, like, hey. Isn't this cool? It's like, oh, okay. So I think it's it's such an interesting game and communication as a human being in general, whether it's about Bitcoin or health or wellness or anything. And so, so yeah. So,
[00:24:58] Unknown:
okay. Actually, Valerie, a real eye opener for for us and something that, you know, really smashed down a lot of these barriers because I was just the dad at the dinner table beating, you know, like, beating the drum like Bitcoin for many years. Everything changed when we started going to conferences together as a family to meet other Bitcoiners because then you are surrounded by messengers, and people go off and find their tribe. We walk now into a conference room, and everyone's gone scattered, 6 of us, in 6 different corners locally. It's so difficult to find you because, like, like, the 1 place 5 minutes and then the 1 place Yeah. But it's now the same with you guys because I need to find you because you you're doing a panel or something on the stage and you're off in a corner and running around with your friends, getting free merch from every.
But yes. And so the messenger then becomes the person on the stage delivering the keynote or the person or, like, with for my wife, you know, she she might have seen Alex Gladstein speak or she might have seen, Obi talking about something or Lyn Alden on stage, and then all of a sudden or Efrat, you know. It's it's such a different vibe, and everybody is so invested in it, and you can feel that positivity. Walking into a com a Bitcoin conference hold is an energy unlike anything else, and you can't help but be drawn to people, positive energy. And, again, you know, actions speak a lot louder than words. And if you've if you're there as a family, like, you've made the effort to be there, people will be drawn towards you as well. And you've got friends that range from goodness knows. Like, little kids all the way up to adults. Right?
Every time and all of the other kids as well. Madeira, you were there, Valerie. You you saw something very special. Yeah. That was such a great experience. And they had the little kids' block, the kids' tent, completely full Yep. All day long. And you had Giacomo and Jack Mallers in there answering 12 year old kids' questions from the stage, and even the moms and dads were putting their hands up. Yeah. It's, it's a really important thing. So if, if anyone's listening, families, make 2025 you know, make it your mission to get to 1 Bitcoin conference.
[00:27:20] Unknown:
Yeah. It's so, so important. I know Madera was so special with the Kids Zone. And, you know, because think about it. Right? Whether you're, you know, whatever your reason is to go to a Bitcoin conference, if you have to leave your family behind and daddy's gone or mommy's gone, there's can be a tiny bit of resentment, you know. And so it's kind of like, well, families at Bitcoin together stay together. And so how much more fun is it that everyone's kind of speaking the same language about the future and about hope and about love and education and making the world a better place, you know, versus the separation of that. And so I'm so delighted to see these family, you know, areas popping up. El Salvador just had one. So Shala is gonna be coming on at the top of the hour, and they did the she's got Bitcoin Junior Club, and they had a whole, you know, kids area in El Salvador.
And so I feel like you guys are the future. We're doing this for you anyways. So it's like, why not create as much opportunity for you to have space that's fun and safe, give you microphones so that you can speak and not just ask questions to the adults, but speak. And because you guys have different viewpoints than we do, and we don't have all the answers. We're the ones who made all the mistakes in the first place. So we want you to your wisdom to help clean it up. Right? And so I I think this is super duper important. Yeah. This is it it is. And and like you said, Daniel, there's there's there is an electricity, a vibration, a feeling, a frequency when you go into, electricity, a vibration, a feeling, a frequency when you go into whether it's a Bitcoin meetup in your local area, whether it's a conference, whether it's a retreat. You know, Tali did a women's retreat last year or this year, you know, 2024.
And anytime you're in the zone physically with each other, not I mean, this is great being able to have our digitalness, but, like, being able to hug you guys and yeah. Like, there's it's, like, next level. Right? And so and then that lasts for a long, long time after you leave the conferences. You know, it's almost like you're filling up your love tank with with hope and and with intelligence and wisdom and connection. And so, yeah, I highly recommend what Daniel said. Make it a point to go to at least one conference with your family or a meetup or anything, and it'll and then get back to us. Send us a text and tell us how it was, and then tell us where we're gonna see you at the second one that you go to because we know you'll be addicted. No.
[00:29:45] Unknown:
No. No. That's all that Tali is she has, an idea where she's gonna do her 2025 women's retreat. So you guys might wanna talk on that on a different time. Okay. Cool. Well, plug it. If you have an idea, plug it. It. Let's let's hear it. Yeah. Drop drop it. So we've been invited to join the Alaska Bitcoin conference in July.
[00:30:05] Unknown:
And so they're planning it to be a family friendly experience. We're talking, like, I was talking to the organizer and I was like, I wanna go on the family trips. Like, I'm gonna leave the conference and go on the family trips because it sounds like so much fun. And, you know, what we wanna do is remove the barriers for anybody to be able to say to their families. Let's go to the Alaska Bitcoin conference because it's gonna be so much fun for all of us, not just for daddy, you know, talking about Bitcoin with Bitcoin people, but everybody's gonna have fun, and everybody gets to look forward to it. So, anyway, so I was I was thinking about, tagging the women's retreat after the conference is over so we can stay a little bit longer and enjoy Alaska.
That is So that is in the works, and I will announce details when I pull it all together. Yeah. Daniel,
[00:30:54] Unknown:
you can still your your lovely wife can still participate in that because they're gonna have stuff for
[00:31:00] Unknown:
guys to do separate than that after the conference. I was gonna say, that's the perfect perfect idea because then you can book a week long holiday. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I geeked over. I could geek out, go listen to the the the talks and whatever else whilst these guys are doing. I don't know. Fun stuff. Fun stuff. Yeah. Daniel, you'll love them too. They are
[00:31:21] Unknown:
the the people organizing it, Wade and Tam, ER, they're homeschoolers. So they're Bitcoin homeschoolers. And so the you'll you'll love them. You'll if you haven't met them already, you'll you'll love them. Yeah. No. New to me, but, I've made a note.
[00:31:35] Unknown:
Okay. Amazing. Oh my god. And that sounds so great because nature, obviously, too. You're not just in a city. You know? I mean, obviously, the city conferences are kinda cool and interesting, but I bet this is gonna have this a whole another level of of opportunities to really, like, ex Mhmm. Be in awe of of God's creation, right, in nature. It's so cool. I was asking them if they will be serving loose burgers
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or bear burgers, you know,
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asking food. Okay. Put that into your world schooling. Alright.
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But I was sure that there would be no
[00:32:07] Unknown:
beer burgers because they taste too gamey. That's awesome. So we'll see. Alright. We'll see if Lauren is going to Lauren's like, oh, that sounds gross. I don't know about the beer burger.
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Well, let's talk about the games. Let's talk about free market kids and the the and I'm gonna pull you guys'
[00:32:23] Unknown:
screen up here in a sec. So go ahead and just talk, and I'm gonna pull up your website. So the the reason for the the reason I pursued games was a selfish reason. I I like games, and this is how I learned Bitcoin. It took me 2 years to build huddle up. I learned a lot. And when I made the lightning game channel up, I I mean, for the first time, I started to understand what it meant, what the inbound liquidity problems and other things were with balancing channels that I didn't get before. So that's that's kinda layer 1 with self the the selfish thing. But layer 2 was I wanted we were we're homeschooling, and we wanna teach money literacy. We wanna teach about Bitcoin.
And it seems to me that games are a great way where you can do something tactile to explain comp complex concepts in a simplified way. And so we've often described huddle up as a bridge because it's all based on mechanics, and you can you can basically teach Bitcoin if you want to. We recommend that you're just quiet and play the game for fun, but you can if you want to. You can use it, as a lesson to teach. And I actually if I could tie it back to what we were just saying about the conferences though, I would add a third layer to the games. And that is, we have we have this this thing where we're not only splitting kids up by age, so they're not talking to people of different generations, but we also have a lot of screen time.
A lot of screen time. And when you were just talking about with the conferences and the fellowship of being around like valued people, that is so important. So as a family, or even with your friends, the layer 3 that I would describe is, this is an opportunity where you get to sit down for 45 minutes of people of different generations, different whatever political interest, whatever. If you're family or friends, and we get together and play, even if we don't talk about Bitcoin, we're interacting as humans, face to face, and that fellowship time, especially after COVID, is really missing. So it's it's kinda three things. For myself, I learn a lot, and I enjoy the games. The second layer is free market kids as an educational we wanna share this with other people because we think it's it's fun.
But I tell you what, that fellowship and that interaction with people, that layer 3, that is something we need more of. And if games can help somebody spend more time with people that they care about, that's that by itself is a win. If they happen to ask some questions about how Bitcoin works, that's a second win. But anyway so the fellowship side, the conferences, the meetups, that's that's a huge piece of why I think traditional games are an easy tool. Right? You take it out at at the holidays. You can take it out once a week for game night, whatever it is. Anyway yeah. So that's how I'm seeing games.
[00:35:08] Unknown:
So I just wanna add on top of that because huddle up is specifically teaching about Bitcoin. Right? And as I mentioned before, I believe we need to meet people where they are, and they may not be ready to talk about Bitcoin just yet. So if you say, hey. Let's play Huddl up. 1st, they're they're going to say, well, you're spelling it wrong. Is you know, do you know how to spell? But, also, the second thing is they may not have any interest in learning about Bitcoin because they still are operating under that false understanding of what it is. Right? It's a cryptocurrency. It's a scam, whatever it is that they might be holding on.
And I just wanna share a quick example. So I was, networking at a local women's event, and they we were introducing ourselves. What do you do? What do you do? And I said, well, I teach money literacy. So we got into a conversation. I was invited to a non profit organization, talking about how to elevate money literacy slash financial literacy for kids in inner city. Kids are coming from trouble homes. So I went into not Bitcoin, but I talked about just economics, cause people can relate to that. They understand price movements, applying to me, etcetera.
So I actually wasn't talking about how to up. I told them about the other game. Is that the best you can do? And I just talked about how kids should understand when a politician says, we're gonna increase tariff on our imports. What that means for themselves. Instead of just hearing sound bites and other people interpreting these regulatory proposals, they should be able to answer those questions themselves. Right? So I said, okay. You play this game. There are 2 things you're working on immediately. Communication skills, which everybody agrees is good. Right? Working on communication skills. The second thing is quick math, mental math. You just adding subtracting. That's it. So if you go from that point of view, and you just sell them on that idea. So I was able to convince them to use the game to teach your kids, and then they start asking where do they go from there. I said, well, it's interesting you said that. And I wasn't even meaning to lead the conversation toward Bitcoin.
But because we were already talking about money, the conversation went there naturally, and they said, okay. So after you teach them about how price moves within the free market, I would like for you to teach them about Bitcoin. I'm like but if I had gone in there to say, let me tell you about Bitcoin, I don't think we would have got there. So
[00:37:33] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's such an important point both of you guys made up with, you know, with the the layer 3, the social layer, the interaction with humans because, you know, COVID did do a big number on us and separated us. And so what other things, like, you know, if we try to read a book together, it's kinda like, well, that's good. And it's good to do individually, and sometimes story time is really cool. You know? But it's like you're only getting to a certain layer of interaction. And so creating something you can physically touch and play with each other, I think, is you know, you guys have nailed it here. I I love what you're doing, and I love that, you know, tally. You you understand you're not just coming in with the orange hammer and hammering everybody over the head with Bitcoin. So, this is just so much fun. And I think, you know, again, there's so many ways for all of us that we've been engaging with our unique path of, you know, becoming Bitcoiners. It's like, are we podcasters? Are we entrepreneurs? Are we writers? Are we, you know, financial analysts? Whatever we do, you know, everybody's got some kind of a thumbprint to put on the sculpture of of this beautiful masterpiece. And so I think it's really fun to see what the threads are that we all pull on. Obviously, I love music and creativity, so that's one of the threads that I like to pull on. You know?
I'm gonna plug it. We're doing an Austin event next weekend, a Sats by Southwest, and so we're teaching people value for value. We're gonna do a day long experience, you know, that's gonna be panels and stuff at Bitcoin Commons. And then the next night, they're gonna be having a whole bunch of different artists like Ainsley Costello, Just Loud, Justin Loud, and, Abel James and whatnot. And they're all gonna be doing, you know, music and performance, and they'll be live streaming, and people will be able to donate sats to them while they're performing on stage. So it's like there's just a million ways for everybody to, you know, learn about financial literacy in a cool, fun way that is relevant to their zone of interest and genius and passion. And so, yeah, I think it's really it's really, really neat. Have you guys, like you know what? I'm I'd be curious. I know this is a little side thing, but, like, have you seen any churches or places that do, like, live streaming churches that you can zap? You know, like, to me, that's a giant market of people who were doing livestream spiritual events that you could have, like, a little zapping dashboard on the display behind the the ministers or the pastors or preachers. You know?
Have does anybody know anybody who's doing that?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
I know they take donations with a QR code on the screen now instead of passing the basket around. So they did yeah. But I imagine if they're in the middle of their preaching, they wouldn't want people would be on their phone unless you're looking at it remotely, I suppose. Yeah. So I don't know any of them doing it while they're preaching.
[00:40:27] Unknown:
Yeah. So who knows? I'm just I don't know. That just popped into my head for some reason. So Yeah. I I I wouldn't know, Valerie, but,
[00:40:35] Unknown:
just to let you know, we we had some Jehovah's Witnesses knock on the door about 2 weeks ago, and I flipped the sermon on the doorstep.
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And I was reading
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I was reading, literally reading Psalms from thank God for Bitcoin. So I had Jimmy Stone on the week after, and I was telling him this story. He was absolutely, you know, rolling up with laughter. But they they they they stood and listened for 20 minutes, as I tried to explain to them. I one of their opening gambits was, do you think we'll ever have peace? And that led me they they perfectly set me up to to explain the monetary system and, talk about, Jesus knocking over the money tables and usury and all of this kind of stuff and show them the book. Like, physically show them the book. I was wearing a Bitcoin racing hoodie at the time as well, and there they are. I'm like, okay.
This mad dude is teaching us about money and anthropology and Bitcoin all at the same time and reading us Psalms. So I big shout out to Jimmy and the rest of the authors that that, armed me with that knowledge because I wouldn't have had it otherwise. You know? I wasn't, brought up, in well, I was brought up under the Christian faith, but, you know, we we weren't going to church each week. So that's and that comes back to your thing. What you were saying earlier, everybody's got a role to play. Doesn't matter who you are, what you do, what you believe, what you think. But if not you, then who? If you're not gonna sit there and talk about it, because we we do get weary. We we do get you know, you're gonna get to that point, why am I bothering? I'm not gonna talk about it anymore. And they can all just go and find it on their own time.
That's the easy way out. Don't give up. And like Tali said, you don't have to be beating the drum at the table. Just be there for when the questions come or link those things that they're talking about in the mainstream media to Bitcoin somehow. Yeah. And that was just, I I thought you'd find that funny. Just weird that you brought up church and and this happened within the last, 3 weeks or so. I think that's great. Thank God for in having the book ready to go right there. I mean, that's just
[00:42:56] Unknown:
that's just brilliant. I mean, everybody should just keep a copy of Thank God for Bitcoin right by their door. Go by Right? And then for that moment, when it happens, you go, it's funny that you say that, and then you just pull it right up. We do that.
[00:43:08] Unknown:
I love that they asked the question, do you think peace is possible? Because, obviously, I don't know where my peace sticker is. But peaceful money, peaceful world. You know? Bitcoin for peace is my jam. And it's like people don't understand the connection, like you said, Daniel. Like, find the connection of what they're interested in, you know, and and tally. Like, meeting people where they're at is that's how we're gonna succeed. You know? And it's like, if you're passionate about human rights, if you're passionate about, you know, number go up, most of us are excited about number go up. You know, we came for number go up and we are staying for the revolution, you know. And so, whatever the incentive is of why we're excited about it or why, you know, we hear somebody talking about an issue that they think is unsolvable that perhaps Bitcoin, you know, relates to. It's like,
[00:43:56] Unknown:
well, you know, and you think about The icing the icing on the cake there, Valerie, just to round this story off completely, my parents came to visit, and I've been trying to teach them about their kind for goodness knows how long. And I told them this story about the Jehovah's Witnesses, and they found it very, very funny. And my mom had a story about her granddad that actually had them come in, and he summoned them for an hour because he actually knew more about the bible turned out than, than they did. So I put the book in her hands, and she went home with Nice. Yeah. Wow. He went home with a different book. So And my my dad. Yeah. He he walked out with a a copy of Keesa's book, the simplest Bitcoin book ever written. That's one of the best books for sure. She did such a good job on that.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
And and and it like, Seb Bunny, have you guys read, The Hidden Cost of Money by Seb? Oh my gosh. Like, that to me, of course, is another He he's threaded everything so well, you know, and because I think about the demise of the family unit and mental health demise and, you know, the vibration of scarcity. Right? When we're living in a sense, you know, a pool of fear constantly because of the media and because of all these things, we're, like, you know, living with this nose above water. I can barely breathe, but I'm, like, doing this. So if we're in that, you know, fiat zone, you know, how are we ever expected to be the fully expressed, you know, divine versions of ourselves, you know? And so you've so many people don't think to connect money to the divine version of yourself and mental health and the family unit, you know? And and it's just such a it's just so neat to hear how people weave those stories and make the the dots connect. You know? And so I love how many writers and creatives are out there that are, you know, doing it in their own way. Right? And so I just it it's magical.
Let's talk we've got a couple more minutes. Tomer's in the the green green room. Hi, Tomer. I'll bring you up in a sec. And, but I wanna talk about you guys', you know, the books and the the the the games and where everybody can find you and, you know, and just so everybody knows, everything that's, you know, if if there's any affiliate codes with discounts that, you know, because I get some affiliate stuff sometimes for this whole podcast. And then, anything that goes to my Albie wallet with Noster between now, December 6th, actually, yesterday 20th, is all gonna go to Toys for Tots.
And so if you guys wanna donate to Toys for Tots, it's just a really great organization here in the states, or donate somewhere in your local community. But, that's it's by the marines, and, they make sure that kids have toys in the communities. And so this is a tradition that I love to do. Each year, I like to take my kids shopping for toys for other kids, and then they get to, like, donate the toys that they chose instead of just writing the check, which, you know, writing a check is great too. But it's just a nice way to have that, like, you know I don't know. I just kinda I grew up, like, thinking that every kid should have a toy under the tree if that's what you celebrate. You know? And so I really think Toys for Tots is such a great organization. They they constantly deliver great smiles during the holidays for folks who might be struggling. So so so if you guys are listening and you zap this on Noster or anywhere, just know that everything that's going into my Albie wallet is going straight to Toys for Tots. And so and any affiliate stuff from today goes straight to Toys for Tots. So, but yeah. So free market kids. So what do you think people should start with? What would be a good experience? You know, obviously, it depends where they are, but and I saw you guys had a little bundle going on, so that seems pretty cool.
Let me go to the bundle.
[00:47:43] Unknown:
Right. For the for the games, we were just trying to we're just kinda thinking through. So the the reason you see multiple games is that each year, we wanna come out with a new first principle kinda game. So next year, fed up. You can you can order that now. Obviously, that's not in the bundle yet, but that'll be about clown world and printing, and then there's energy literacy and food literacy. There's so many things to to to get into. So that's what I'm doing with games. And then a little bit earlier, so the games I would say, just in terms of answer your question, I would say that if you're probably 12, 13, I have a our our nephew who's 10 or 11, he loves huddle up. Kids actually learn really fast, so I would say that huddle up is probably the right place to start.
And the age range is as as as long as they're comfortable with math, then then that's where I would you're you're gonna be fine. There are other some there's some other really cool game makers in the space. So I know, Chamory has a, they have a a game that's, I guess, made more for toddlers. I guess I don't know the exact age. And then, there is mission Bitcoin, which is about as difficult as Candy Land, and then you'd have HODL UP. So you start to put all these together and you there's, like, a whole portfolio of of of games of different ages.
And then if you're 7 years if you have someone who's 7 years and up, I would recommend Tali's books because she's, she has a new early reader series. So she can introduce things like inflation and things. I was gonna I was gonna add into it after you were done sharing. I'm done with games then. We'll go let's go with the let's go to Tali's. So hold on. Really quick. Look. So anybody who's watching, you guys can get a 4 game bundle with a big discount for,
[00:49:22] Unknown:
for 1.76. So that's something that will last you and not end up in the recycling bin. And and so that's something really cool if you get all of those. So I think that would be really neat. Yeah. And then okay, Tali. What about all your awesome books? Looks like you're sold out. Congratulations.
[00:49:37] Unknown:
I actually moved my books onto Amazon for easier distribution. But I was gonna address the big corners who have families who might be somewhat unwilling to even play a board game like huddle up. So especially talking to Bitcoiners with female partners. So I will invite them to join me in Orange Hatter. As one of the comments Bitcoin Junior Club mentioned. We do have a weekly reading club, and we just spent 12 weeks studying set bunny's book, the hidden cost of money. And one of our members, she came in as a noncorner. By the end of it, because she's in the home school space, She decided to teach a money literacy class to her homeschool students based on what we teach about money in the Bitcoin space.
So very powerful, but it's casual. It's very friendly. So that's a really great place to start for a spouse. Who's just getting her, her feet wet. If she's willing, if she's not even willing to do that, then we get a little bit sneakier. So I started writing children's books that for young children that are young enough that the parents would have to help read the books. So the message is for the parent Mhmm. Who's reading the books to the kids. So we get a little bit sneakier, and those are the
[00:50:59] Unknown:
the The the roundabout way. Reader.
[00:51:02] Unknown:
The early reader book series is meant for that very, very small cookie crumbs. We're gonna move really slowly, snail's pace. But in that way, hopefully, they absorb the information without consciously blocking it. And then eventually, they will be more open to discussions about money and,
[00:51:19] Unknown:
and Bitcoin specifically. Yeah. If I could add one more thing. So, Daniel and his wife gave up at at least an hour of their time to come on to our our podcast, Bitcoin Homeschoolers, and we don't have near the 500 episodes that he that he does. But, if you wanna hear more about the the world's schooling experience, a lot of times if you're listening to to 1's bit, and you're gonna hear all the answers from the from the guests. If you would like to know a little bit more about their background, I would encourage you to check out that episode because they they were very generous in sharing about their experiences.
So
[00:51:58] Unknown:
I love it. And that that's a great segue into, Daniel's choose life and the world schooling and your experience, you know, just advising folks to check this out and also going to the bitcoin book.shop. There's tons and tons of great Bitcoin books there too. So everybody who's listening, if you're not on the screen, you can go to free market kids.com and make sure you check out Scott and Talley's, games and books. And then Daniel wrote this beautiful book, Choose Life. Why don't you share with everybody what this is and, you know, how they how it might support them on their journey?
[00:52:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure. And, first and foremost, it's not about abortion. And
[00:52:38] Unknown:
oh oh, I was like, what? Oh my god. I didn't even get that. Just a second. I didn't even get this. I
[00:52:43] Unknown:
moment. With that movie with Natalie. This was bought up. Oh my god. Well, I I guess it is. I mean No. Right. No. Yeah. Yeah. Hamster wheel. But this was bought out. Actually, I I took a bunch of these books to, our local meetup, and I was just signing them, giving them out to to the the the people there and, as a Christmas gift. And one of the ladies was like, oh, yeah. You know, I don't wanna read a book about abortion. I'm like, Oh, no. No. No. No. It's nothing to do with that at all. You know, this is about us, how we chose life because when we used to when we quit, I quit my job and we traveled with the kids. We took them around the world. They were aged 8, 6, and 2, 3 year old twins. Lauren has a twin brother. Wow.
People would say to us, when are you gonna come back to real life? Like, you know, you you can't keep just doing what you want. And that's when I started falling down the back the Bitcoin rabbit hole as well and started educating myself around that. I'm like, no. This is life. This is actually real life. This this was the best choice we ever made, and the the book is also a nod that the title, excuse me, is a nod to, Trainspotting, which was a very, brilliant film back in the nineties. And Ewan McGregor delivered a great, monologue there in both films, Trainspotting 12.
And, yeah, that's why it's named that, and it's about how we extricated ourselves from Fiatland before we found Bitcoin and how we traveled the world with the kids and unschooled them and leveraged the sharing economy. We were homeswapping our way around the world, which we still do to this day. We still homeswap as as often. When we travel to the conferences, we we generally find a homeswap, which is always great because you get to meet new people. And if anybody wants to check that book out, then please, head over to consensus network, bitcoin book dot shop, and you will find a copy there in Spanish.
A pleb just translated it. Like, this is the community. A pleb read the book and translated it to Spanish, and I can't be more thankful for for that person for taking the time to do that. And if you buy from bitcoin book dot shop, you are supporting a Bitcoin only company, and you will get 10% discount using the code bitten. So you can head over there. You can find so many books on there. Actually, Tali, we should get yours on there. If they're not, I can put you in touch with Nico. He would love to love to host your book as well. And then, for the once bitten podcast, I I hope everybody changes their listening habits for 2025.
Get on to fountain app. Deach Apple pods, ditch Google pods, or anything else. Just go support the Bitcoin builders, and fountain app is the best place to do that. You can load up a lightning wallet, and you can stream stats and boost stats. Let's get everybody, you know, supporting the the mission here and buying the books, buying the the games, and, you know, listening on the the the fountain app. Thank you so much for everything you're doing, Valerie.
[00:55:45] Unknown:
Heck, yeah. Thank you guys for everything. I'm so grateful and honored to be on this beautiful mission together, and it's so much fun. Shala just put in the the the notes so she can translate the books into Polish for you guys if you need a Polish translator, which is pretty cool. That's Turkish. Yeah. Do you guys mind? Can I can I bring everybody up so you can all just say hello and we'll kind of do it do a little group hug with the next panel and and say hey? Is that cool? Yes. But, but I just I wanna thank all 4 of you for taking all the time to be here this morning on Saturday. I know you're probably busy with other things, and, I really appreciate the generosity of spirit and taking time to share your stories and, just all the great work you're doing out there in the world. It's really, really special. So thank you. And, yeah. I'm gonna bring up, okay. We've got Tomer. Tomer is the author of Why Bitcoin, and he's got a new book that I'm not gonna, you guys are gonna talk about it in a second here. So Tomer's coming up.
Shala, turn your camera on. Oh, there you are. And Shala is with the Bitcoin Junior's Club. Hi, sweetheart. And hold on. Where's Scott? Scott is with Shamae. Yay. Hi, Scott. Oh, look at this. I'm gonna turn this off so everybody can say hi to you guys really quick. Almost like the Brady Bunch. I know. Right? Or Hollywood Squares.
[00:57:02] Unknown:
And the monsters are there as well. Orange is 1. Yay. That's why you go grab that. Lauren, nice job.
[00:57:09] Unknown:
Hey, you guys. So so yeah. So I just wanted to say hey and just, you know, we'll do a little crossover. And, you know, Shala, we were just talking to just, you know, Daniel and Lauren and Tali and Scott were talking about just the vibration of the kids zones and stuff. So I can't wait for you to share about, you know, you know, your experience in El Salvador and doing, you know, the the what you got to participate in down there. So, I'm just super excited to have you guys all here, and thanks for, you know, taking time. But yeah. So thank you, guys. Thanks again, Tali and Scott and Daniel and Lauren, and, thank you, God. Stay strong, and it's happy holidays, and so many blessings to all of you. So we'll,
[00:57:47] Unknown:
talk with you guys soon. Great to see you, Toma. Great to see you all there. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Fun. Take
[00:57:54] Unknown:
care. Alright. Bye.
[00:57:56] Unknown:
Alright. Aloha, you guys. Thanks again. And I'll have show notes with all the links too for everybody. Thank you. Yay. Alright. So bye, guys. So, Tomer, Scott, Shala, how is everything going? I'm so happy to have you guys here and, I am so just delighted on Saturday morning. I told her you were a last minute awesome addition. Oh, you got new art. I like it on the no. That's yeah. Madera. Did you get that in Madera? I think I remember you saying you got something in Madera. That's amazing. Well, welcome to the show and thanks for coming to the Bitcoin the very first Bitcoin for Families Virtual Summit. All of the benefits, whoever's listening, anything that we get through affiliate links or Zaps are gonna go straight to Toys for Tots.
And I'm opening up my, Bitcoin wallet for the next, 2 weeks. So any kind of Zaps that we get on Noster or anything in the future is gonna go straight to Toys for Tots because they love to deliver smiles for Christmas for kids who need toys and love. So again, thanks for joining. And so I'll just kinda go over. I'll let you guys introduce yourselves 1 at a time and say who you are and, you know, what you're up to and what your dreams are. And then we'll kinda go back and forth, you know, and just popcorn your experience with, you know, being in the Bitcoin space for, you know, you you guys are all supporting the family and educations and stuff. So, Shala, I'll have you go first. Okay?
[00:59:23] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. So some people might know me from Bitcoin Film Fest, European Bitcoiners, couple of other projects in the past as well. Something that is pretty fresh. I think I launched it at the very beginning of this year. It's called Bitcoin Junior Club. It's supposed to serve as a hub for, families, teenagers, and teens. So far, I published their mostly, like, my own content, but also some content from other projects that are live, like, even what Scott is doing with Shamari, which is amazing, Tally with her books. Yeah. Many other many other things. Hopefully, in the future, it will be a project core run by Teams.
Yeah. Just recently, as you mentioned at the beginning, we were, organizing some conference or, like, a part of a conference in El Salvador during adopting Bitcoin, which is a pretty cool experience. Maybe I will share some thoughts on that. Actually, Scott with Shamari were there as well. Tally, yeah, because they shared some of the resources as well. But, yeah, that's a short thing about me. Nothing more more to add.
[01:00:28] Unknown:
That's amazing. Scott, what about you? Let's go up.
[01:00:32] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Scott Sibley, and I am I guess, now I have to say 1 quarter of the Shamari team. So it's myself, my wife, and our 2 little ones. One of them might be popping in towards the tail end. She's our basketball practice right now, so I get a special guest at the end. But we launched Chamaret way back in 2020, which was around the time we had our our youngest. And, the goal was really to start creating Bitcoin products for kids and families. Our first product was our game, and we've kind of expanded from there and, kind of fast forward to where we are now, which is why Tomer's on the show, being able to launch a a book in partnership with Tomer, which is our latest project. So happy to to dive into all that as we talk our talk throughout the hour.
[01:01:13] Unknown:
So amazing. Alright. Welcome. And, Tomer? Hey. Hey.
[01:01:18] Unknown:
What can I say? I've I've been passionate about Bitcoin for over 10 years now. A few years ago, I started dedicating all of my time to Bitcoin largely through writing, and I wrote a lot of articles. I wrote a couple of books. I wrote a couple of screenplays that got made into short films on Bitcoin. And, in and amongst all those things, at one point, I wrote a children's book about Satoshi Nakamoto and about the invention of Bitcoin, and I didn't end up publishing it because I was so caught up in publishing another book and whatnot. And then, a couple of years ago, or even less than a couple of years ago, a little over a year ago, at Pacific Bitcoin Conference, someone at Swan Bitcoin said, told me you've gotta read your kid's book to these clients of ours, and I did, and they were so moved by it. They said, you've gotta get it published. And I'm like, oh, it's so hard to get a book published. They said, you know who will help you is Scott from Chamory.
So we connected I I I don't know if we connected right then and there on the spot, but we reached out shortly thereafter. You were there, Valerie. And now I'm, like, I'm so delighted this book exists. Scott and his team have, have illustrated it. So it it's got it's got wonderful accompanying illustrations. Scott sent me a few copies of the book. I actually ended up giving them all out, because I I was with parents with kids who were reading them to their kids, and there was no way I could take the book away afterwards. I want you to read it again and again and again. And some of these kids were as young as 2 or 3 years old.
Although the book's ideally, I think, meant for 4 to 12 year olds, but they were just so enamoured with the book. And the book is called Satoshi Nakamoto and his Bitcoin Invention. I've gotta get myself a whole bunch more copies of it. But we'll we'll obviously have a little bit of time to talk about it. That's the that's the brief intro.
[01:03:03] Unknown:
Catching people. I might just interrupt. Your story actually inspired me to do, like, a group reading with kids. 1 of the other of the first or the second book, I think, of Shamoris. We did it in El Salvador. And there were, like, 3 kids after some time saying, can I also read can I also read a piece? And it was so amazing. Like, you know,
[01:03:22] Unknown:
they are really, like, so focused and passionate. So yeah. Amazing. It is great. Like, there's in in the book, there's a bunch of illustrations, and someone sent me a video of 1 of the kids who had received the book just the other day. And this is the cutest thing. It's the little book of pointing at the book of, is Satoshi, you know, in the little David's voice, and he's got a Bitcoin. And it was just so adorable. It made my heart melt.
[01:03:46] Unknown:
Oh my gosh. So, that's incredible. They're Satoshi. They're Satoshi. Well, and so and I go over. Oh, this is great. I I'll pull up your website too in a sec, Scott. Like, you know, working with young minds is obviously such a pleasure and such a treat because they're they're blank slates. You know, they're not you don't have to unteach them things. They're not already hardened and calcified into the ways of, you know, external programming. You know? And so I think, you know, some of the focus on having much younger opportunities you know, much younger educational opportunities for these kids through play, through plushies, through the books, through the games is, is such a fun way to go. You know? Because then they'll just understand.
Like, think about this generation that is coming up right now. Scott, your 2 children. Right? And so it's like you don't ever they never have to get unprogrammed. You know, they're already getting the the the the real deal from the base layer of their in in education and stuff. So, Scott, I'd love to hear, you know, you were, I think you were my very first guest on my podcast that I started a couple years ago, and and I know it took a little bit for, you know, my technical abilities to make stuff happen, but, like, you've come a long way since then. You know? And I know you said you started in 2020, and I think I had you gone you guys on on, it was 2021. It was when I started, and that's when I, you know, started learning about Bitcoin. So, you know, how has your life and, you know, Mallory's life changed, you know, starting this beautiful company? You guys are at every conference. You're always out and about, you know, making things happen. How how has your family evolved, you know, in in closeness and your relationship?
[01:05:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the number of ways are probably endless. To start with, it's given us time, and that's really something that, you know, Bitcoin gives us all. If you you you stick with it long enough, so that was probably the first thing that it allowed us to do. And going back even before that, you know, when we started learning about Bitcoin back in 2017, 2018, and then, you know, starting to build our family in that time. It it took, you know, a year plus to be able to create our game, which is our first product. And, honestly, that was meant to just be a fun side project that we thought we'd do together.
But then to your point, Val, you know, being at the endpoint personally events, the first time we were able to be at a conference was Bitcoin Miami 2021. Mhmm. We're there. We literally just had our game. Des, who at the time worked at Des Dickerson from, now she's at Thunder Games. But back then, she worked at McGox, and she was setting up the game room, the video game room, and we'd got to know her. And she said, yeah. You can, you know, you can you can have a table, literally, like a 6 foot table and come on in and do whatever you need. And so we showed up there and had a couple boxes of our game and stuff to sell and the reception that people had. Because there was something so different for a conference. You know, there's nobody else there focusing on kids. Yeah. But it's like, oh, well, okay. There there's something to this Bitcoin for families and kids and and, that side of things that we've tapped into and the other people who are starting to build around it. Let's see where this can go. And that that trip to Miami in 2021 was the really the genesis for being able to say, okay. It's not just a game we're doing for fun.
Let's turn this into products that were are really gonna help people. So I think we came back from that trip in that summer, and it was probably within a month, that we had written Goodnight Bitcoin, and started the process of getting that illustrated and kinda kept building from there. And what it's given us is, besides the time, is, as people have met us at the conferences over the past few years, we've started bringing our kids. So Charlotte was 3, with the first time she got to come to, Bitcoin, 2022, I guess, in Miami. And, you know, we like with a lot of things Mallory and I do, we just kinda do it and see what happens. Some people, I think, maybe get too scared going into it.
And so we said, you know, let's take her this year. Let let's see how she does. And she's always been we homeschool, and we always put her in environments and treat her like she's older than she is. We'll do the same thing for Zoe even though she's she's 10 months, so only so much you can do. But by doing that, it kinda lets them be in environments like a conference, and make it feel natural. And so we took her, and to make her feel part of the team besides helping out organizing things, you know, she wanted to sell things herself. So there's, many people out there. I think you have some, Val. I have.
[01:08:18] Unknown:
Bracelet Yeah. That she started
[01:08:21] Unknown:
and she had a she had a QR code on her sign. All the stats go to her lightning wallet and left with many things. You know, Bitcoiners are generous. There's no price on the bracelet. So A 1,000 stats to I think the most she ever got was a 1,000,000 stats from somebody.
[01:08:38] Unknown:
A 1,000,000 sats? Yeah.
[01:08:41] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Today is doing good. The the best thing out of anything that's come from Shamae is being able to have it be a a truly a family thing and now that, you know, everybody's involved. She loves being at conferences, whether it's being at the table or the other friends that she's met. And friend, not just other kids, but other adults, that she knows, like Yuval or Frankie or Lauren, and Caitlin when they're in Miami last year going running around. It's just a an awesome thing to see and something we we plan on continuing to do, you know, at all the events that we're at. It's so but how's her DJing skills coming along? After Pacific Bitcoin, she came up and got a little DJ action in the the Red Bull car with me. You know, I think you'll be happy to know. Well, I've I've got fun there. Zoe, the young one, she loves music. She hears a beat come on the TV or anywhere, and she just starts bobbing everywhere. So she might be you might need to put your DJ, path on her.
[01:09:39] Unknown:
Oh my god. I love it. I know, Scott. I love it. I love I love hearing how your family has gelled so much around this, and it's obviously transformational from, you know, a love level and an interconnectivity level. And, you know, the Lauren was on just, you know, level. And, you know, the Lauren was on just, you know, obviously, we were all together and they were just saying about how, you know, obviously, at the conferences now, everybody just, you know, because of, you know, the kids zones that Shala and everybody else have been putting together, the one in Madeira, everything. It's just like, you know, families that Bitcoin together stay together. Right? And it's like you're all speaking a similar language. You've all got the same thread in the vibration of love and hope that's interwoven in your communications.
And so it's instead of having it be like, oh, dad's gone again for a conference or mom's gone again, it's like, oh, we get to go together and do the thing. And so I think, you know, Daniel Prince just was saying, you know, everybody who's listening, like, make an effort this year for the families. For those of you listening, like, go to one conference together as a family if you can. You know? And it could be a meetup. It could be a conference. It could be anything, but just something in person where the rest of your family can feel the the love, you know, of of Bitcoin together. And then it's like and then text us and let us know how that went. You know? Because I think that's such a cool such a cool thing. And, Shiloh, so I'd love to hear from you too about, you know, what was it like for you this year in El Salvador in putting I know you put your blood, sweat, and tears into this this, the kids zone. So I'd love to hear from you about that. And, you know, what was the transformation you got to see?
[01:11:18] Unknown:
Tears of joy, and the rest was just the running water. Like, we got this huge rain waterfall.
[01:11:25] Unknown:
Otherwise, there was no no other tears. Also a a fun story. Like, why I would also try to engage or or, like, repeat the same messages as Daniel said. Like, yeah, 2025, the mission, like, go to a conference. So for example, we we organized, I think it was the 2nd day during the Bitcoin Paraninha, there was a soft panel. Right? So soft panel kids were the guests, different age. I think the youngest was 8 and the oldest, 13. Yeah. Samantha. So, and then one of the boys so they were like we were discussing basic things, their hobbies, life, also their observations about adopting Bitcoin, their experience with Bitcoin, but mostly about them, not not only about Bitcoin. And then one of the boys, he said, you know, it's so cool. I didn't know what to expect coming here, but now I know that it's not only my crazy dad talking about Bitcoin all the time. Actually, there are so many Bitcoiners, and they are cool people. And then everyone was laughing, but that's the best thing about kids. Like, pea kids and teenagers in general, they are honest. You know? Like like, sometimes we adults, we play some kind of games and stuff, but they are very, very pure, like, very honest, very genuine.
[01:12:30] Unknown:
And I was the best comment, like, yeah, there there are so many Bitcoiners and they are cool. So it's not on my crazy that.
[01:12:37] Unknown:
That yeah. Very, very hilarious. But overall, yeah. Speaking about this Bitcoin, adopting Bitcoin, I mean, I'm joining many different conference since couple of years, like, for for many, many years now. Yeah. This kind of, like, family focused thing, it's quite new, quite fresh. I would say from my experience, it's maybe around, like, 2 years only, when we see it, and I'm very happy to see it more and more. Like, Yeah. First of all, we are also giving the space for younger generations to make friendships, to to see a little bit different side of the world. Not only they are weirdo parents discussing some kind of topic they might understand, but not be really interested in. So adopting Bitcoin is, I think, one of the pure signal conferences overall, just aside of the Bitcoin which we organized.
Speaking of the Bitcoin I think it was a big success looking at the, all the feedback, that we received, though, yeah, there were some kind of hiccups, I can say, mostly due to the weather, but luckily I was given, indoor space the the second day because, afternoon, the 1st day, the pouring rain destroyed so many things that, yeah, you had to improvise what you can do. Also the program couldn't be performed. Yeah, we got a lot of support from just volunteers because, yeah, myself, I I couldn't be able to to handle doing everything. I think on average, we had, like, around 10, 15 kids, sometimes more, sometimes less. There were some moments when teenagers were coming and young adults as well.
I would say an average age was the youngest. Yeah. There was one boy joining us 2 days in a row. I think 2a half or 3. But on average, it was, like, 4, 6, years old, kiddos having fun, like, staying on their own without parents. We had screenings. We were having a reading session. Shamori, also Tali's book, the flowers for mom. We had some panels. Yeah. A lot of games, interactive games, and it's amazing actually how much energy they have and and how many great ideas all of them have. So for me, always, like, kids and teens are the best source to learn stuff because they are so pure. So, yeah, great experience, and I hope that there will be more and more, conferences, events, meetups.
That's actually one of the future goals of the Bitcoin junior club as well to start doing some kind of gatherings, with teams and kids, altogether where parents are just coming from time to time, but it's mostly like to have some kind of comps, for yeah. It comes, let's say, like, summer camps, you know, but in a smaller format, where the younger generations can hang out together and and exchange experiences. So yeah.
[01:15:17] Unknown:
I'd love hearing about the summer camp idea. I I wanna go to that summer camp and, you know, like, that's such a fun thing to think of. No. With all love, but rules are rules, you know, and and and this is already what I I mean, I used to organize some kind of camp, like unschooling
[01:15:32] Unknown:
kind of camp when I was in in my twenties, when still the unschooling topic was not that popular. I just realized now what I was doing. So, yeah, the rule is that it's teens that are guiding the younger ones, and they are doing whatever they want, however they want, and preparing some stuff. Adults are allowed only to visit shortly from time to time. So we can do, you know, like the yeah. We can just observe,
[01:15:56] Unknown:
from the distance.
[01:15:58] Unknown:
I think it's so cool. And I know Daniel I think I think it was either Daniel or Scott was saying earlier just about how kids, you know, they don't wanna learn from their parents. You know, we could say something 20 times to our kids or to our spouses or, you know, about the message. Timing and the messenger. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. The messenger matters. And so learning from somebody who's just a couple steps ahead of you because you're oh, wow. Look. She's, you know, 8 years old and I'm only 6. And so you, like, want to hear from somebody like that versus, you know, oh, mom's trying to tell me something. You know? Yeah. But that's one thing. But another thing is that, I like to repeat this as as a as an example. Like, adults, we have this tendency, you know, when you have racing,
[01:16:38] Unknown:
right, like racing cars, you have a copilot. And we have this tendency even, like, when we talk to each other that we always behave like a copilot. And we say, like, okay. In 100 meters, turn left, then prepare for that, do this, and do that. So we kind of, like even having good intentions, we try to impose what we like and how we like seeing things on others. And especially we do that to young young younger people than us because we think that we do have more experience. Right? So we don't have to maybe have bad intentions, but this is how we behave. And even very often when it comes to topics that we are passionate about and then being Bitcoiners, of course, we are very passionate about it, we try to, like, really push, this topic on on our kids, on our friends, on others, and on kids because we have this, again, like, quote, unquote, authority. We do it our own way. Let them experience it the way they want. And for example, for the Bitcoin Junior Club, I don't wanna also teach, kiddos, or even families about Bitcoin. For me, the core is thinking, critical thinking. The moment that we stop thinking for ourselves, we are gone. You will not understand the pure power of Bitcoin. You will not understand anything around you. So I don't also want to see future generations blindly repeating that Bitcoin is the best thing, not being explained why. So, it's better they can hang out with each other, but in different age. So not like in traditional schooling system where you are putting the same kids almost like in prison, you know, same age because they can inspire each other. Sometimes the younger kids can inspire teenagers. They inspire me a lot, and I'm almost 40.
Right? So they can, like, exchange ideas, observations, challenge each other. So
[01:18:16] Unknown:
I would prefer to keep the adults away only because we have this tendency on imposing stuff. That that only that that that that's the only reason. It's such a wonderful point. I know we were talking earlier about, you know, Tali's kids because they got introduced to Bitcoin later. And so her children were older. So, you know, they homeschooled as well and really taught their children to be very, very, powerful critical thinkers and to poke holes in things and question everything. And so anytime, you know, they would start bringing up Bitcoin, they're like, well, what about this? And the the the the and, you know, at first they were like, no. And then she's just like, you raised us, mom. You raised us really well to, you know, be critical thinkers. And so so that's such an incredible point because, you know, Tomer's book, Why Bitcoin, of course, isn't a wonderful book, but it's like, that's the questions that we all should be asking even as Bitcoiners. Like, I'm still just sort of like, is there gonna be a rug pull one day? I still need to go dig deeper. And I know I don't think so either, Tomer. But, you know, just that little birdie in the back of my my mind is still just kind of like, because I don't understand everything about Bitcoin, nor will I ever, and I don't think anyone ever will. Right? And so you're constantly looking for, you know, that that fortification, fortification of your your argument, of your philosophy. And so for young people to be able to do that in a peer to peer way versus the the adults doing like what you said, Shala, I think is really, really, it's powerful and it's how we learn. You know? Obviously, we all learn as adult Bitcoiners in the Twitter spaces a lot or doing panels like this or at the conferences. So so it's really great to set up containers for the young people to come together that are safe and, you know, inclusive, of course, for everybody to participate, but then let them let them go. Let them have their fun and be the leaders of their, you know, generation and of their their movement. So thank you so much for I know how hard it is to do those types of activities and work with the kids. And, thank you.
[01:20:15] Unknown:
It's a lot.
[01:20:18] Unknown:
Tomer, do you wanna chime in a little bit about your experience with, you know, working with younger people with the the book and everything? Sure. Or your or any you know, just bounce back on on, what Shala was just saying. Yeah. You know, I I again, for me, I
[01:20:34] Unknown:
my, my passion and my mission has been to educate people about Bitcoin. I've spent, you know, I said I've been involved in Bitcoin for 11 years. I spent the first eight of those years doing nothing but studying Bitcoin. I maybe wrote a couple of essays. I participated in what's known as the block size wars, but I was I was mostly learning, studying, understanding, building building my conviction instead of just having faith in in Bitcoin. And, and and for the last three and a half years or so, I've been pouring it out as much as I can in the form of education, answering questions, explaining, and everybody is you know, there aren't people who graduated with a Bitcoin degree in 1975 being the wise old folks. There's nobody who's ever graduated with a Bitcoin degree. So there's so many people who wanna learn, and there's so many different learning styles and and learning needs. And I I think for me that, you know, the story of how this book came about, I I didn't set out to write a kid's book. I was at a Bitcoin meetup in Toronto. There was another writer there, and he was all frustrated because he wanted to write a Bitcoin kid's book, but he didn't know what to write it about.
And he when he said to me he didn't know what to write it about, I said, this is the easiest thing in the world to write. This the story of the invention of Bitcoin is the most exciting story we've ever witnessed, and it's a true story. Like, there's a someone invented this thing that everyone said couldn't be invented, but he invented it anyways. And we don't know who he is, and he didn't keep the money, and he didn't do it for, like this story of Satoshi Nakamoto is just the most amazing true story that we know is true because we're here to witness it. And so I've written a lot of other things more for an adult audience about it, but I sat down the next morning, and this book came to me and, like, it was it was already sitting inside of me. It was just waiting to come out. So I I wrote it really quickly, and then I went on Daniel's podcast with a bunch of kids to read it live, to see what the response was to it, and it was a really positive response.
And then I didn't do anything about it for almost 2 years until, until what I mentioned earlier. So this book is written very much to inspire children on a number of dimensions, ultimately, to think for themselves as, as was said before, and and to be to believe in themselves that they can invent great things. Mhmm. Because, look, someone else created, and we live in a world where great things really can be invented, and you don't need anybody's permission to invent them, and you don't need somebody to tell you, yes, it's okay to invent it. You can go ahead and take your independence and and be an inventor. And, that's that's that to me is the theme of the book, but it's it's a very short book. It's very accessible. The sentences are very short. The words are small. I introduce 1 or 2 big words, but I I don't require that you understand what they mean in order for the kids to get through it. Like, I I use the word cryptography once. I say, he had to use a special type of math called cryptography. That's the extent of it.
But, but otherwise, it's all really, really, accessible to kids who are beginning readers and who've maybe been reading for a few years. That's that's really what I wanted to say about about the book. I'm I'm delighted with the illustrations that Scott and his team were able to come up with. They really have a very lighthearted feel that that goes along with the theme of the of the book as well. So I just I really encourage people to get it. How much is it, Scott, right now? Like, $15 or something? 14.99 or and use code love, and 10% off, and then the that 10%, Val's donating to Toys for Tots. So Okay. I'd like to match a donation. I I'd like to, like, put if if Val's putting a dollar 40 or whatever, I'd like to put $5 towards each of the next 100 books you sell. Oh, wow. Thanks, Homer. That's amazing. It's half a 1000000 satoshis. Right? Yeah.
You know? Oh my god. I love it. So, I'll you just send me an invoice when we're done, Scott, and I'll, I'll send you that money. You we can take it off the book or we can give it to whatever. I I just I really want people to get this book. I I want them to see it, and, and the more that it spreads around because I I I already know people who've gotten the book, have have read it to the point where they're now passing it on to other people and their kids. So the the ability to spread this really positive message of Bitcoin to someone who's young, and to to have that that really positive outlook, it's, obviously, it's it's a happy ending, but it's a it's it's a happy ending in the special way that Bitcoin is a happy ending for Satoshi and and and a a happy start for the rest of us. Right? And so, to launch kids on a start to say, you know, you live in a world where this great thing exists and someone created it for a great reason, and that great reason is so that you can be an inventor as well, and take advantage of it. I just think it's a really lovely idea that I wanna share with everybody.
[01:25:31] Unknown:
Yep. And I will see from, somebody with a 5 year old who, you know, before we started creating the book together, Tomory and Nishi, obviously, had never, read it. She really latched on to pitch the concept of how does nobody know who Satoshi is. And, you know, even to this day, you know, it's been a few months since the book came out and she heard it for the first time. But in random times, we'll be talking about something completely unrelated to to Bitcoin or or the topic, but it might be about how you don't know, you know, who somebody is or whatever. And she said, well, you know, nobody knows who Satoshi is either. You know, it's it's constantly
[01:26:06] Unknown:
There you go. Right.
[01:26:07] Unknown:
In different ways.
[01:26:09] Unknown:
And it's such a great story. Like, people don't people somewhat take it for granted. But to to your point, Scott, where I was on spaces with, like, 300 people the other day, and someone brought up, oh, I think I know who Satoshi is. They thought it was Elon Musk for whatever reason. But it it went on, and it's like a conversation that everyone engages in for their whole life. Right? The speculation, not just who Satoshi is. Should we bother to try to find out? Well, we don't know. Why did they do it? Then, like, all it's such a mystery, and it's there's so much to discuss. It it's really fertile ground for creating content, but also for for inspiration. Right? Like, there's so many parts of the the invention. The invention of Bitcoin is so awe inspiring, and then you look at well, so who's the inventor of Bitcoin? And we don't know who they are as a person with a name and where they live, but we know a lot about them because of the way that they conducted themselves.
[01:27:00] Unknown:
Yep. For sure.
[01:27:03] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's really special. Toma, I love that you brought up, you know, about believing in yourself. Obviously, that's one of my mottos in life is to believe. And, you know, I think for young people to give give that reminder consistently of, like, you know, you can do it. Believe in your dreams. Believe in yourself. The sky's the limit. You know? And and we can't reinforce that enough, I think. And even as an adult, like, we all have inner children. Right? And sometimes we get discouraged. Sometimes we get let down. Sometimes we, you know, take a step forward and 5 steps back. You know? But it's like, don't quit. Right? I mean, I got doctor Seuss up here, all the places you'll go. And I I remember graduating from, like, holistic health school, you know, 30 years ago, and that's what they read to us at our graduation.
You know? And it was just such a cool, reminder of, like, you're the, you know, you're the writer. You're the director of your film, of your life. You know? And, obviously, you know, you guys, Shala, you guys do the Bitcoin Film Festival, but it's like when we instill the values of hope and innovation and possibility and belief in oneself and belief in one skills and talent, you know, the sky's the limit. And I think a lot of times, you know, as parents, sometime we fall back into old things. We're like, oh, well, is this practical? Is this and it's like, who cares? What's practical is dreaming. What's practical is imagination. What's practical is Einstein, you know, thinking towards the future. You know? And so the more opportunities that our beautiful children get to see and hear and feel, experience that through toys, through books, through experiences, through games, you know, the better off they're gonna be. Because right now, they're on social media, you know, at all these different age levels, and they're being told you're not good enough, you're not pretty enough, you're not strong enough, you're not tall enough, you're not ripped enough, you don't have the right car, you don't have the right girlfriend, boyfriend. And so they're constantly being told, and then we evolve into these adults of scarcity.
You know? And then we don't believe in hope and dreams and possibility and imagination anymore. So I think one of the most important things we can all do, and you 3 are obviously exemplary at this, is, you know, demonstrating the imagination, you know, and reminding each other, you know, through our our messages and through our mediums. And so so thank you guys for being my inspiration because the 3 of you inspire me to keep moving forward and being this weird version of myself that's the authentic me. You know?
[01:29:37] Unknown:
My goodness.
[01:29:38] Unknown:
I I'm not I'm not Preston Bish. I'm not gonna go read you charts on that. You know? It's not about Michaels. You know, if I recall correctly correctly from the book, Tom, you wrote nicely that he didn't do that, Satoshi. He didn't do that for fame. He didn't do that for money. So what I like more about this story is not the mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto, but the invention itself. And what to what you were saying, Val, and, oh, also, like, doesn't matter if you are not this or that. You are Val, and many people love you, and you bring a lot of love towards other people. And and this is true. This is felt. This is visible.
And what you were talking about, like, yeah, on one side, kids are kind of, like, living in a or not only kids, all of us, in a in a environment that we are not good enough for something. But on the other hand, we are pushed to have this expert title to be famous, to be somebody not necessary with doing things, but to be visible and to have, yeah, this kind of, like, title label thing. Right? So what I find very beautiful about Satoshi's story and especially that it's nicely reading in this particular book is doesn't matter what's your title, how famous you are. What matters is that you are yourself with your name, with your skills, with learning, expanding, and with the result of the stuff that you do. So that's another kind of thing I believe we should remind younger generations more and more about.
[01:31:02] Unknown:
I agree. Yeah. And I think, you know, just the the ethos of permissionless. Like, we don't have to go get permission to go write a song about Satoshi or write a book or start a Shamari company. You know? Like, you just do it. We don't have an executive board that we need to go get an approval from and HR and get the stamp. Okay. 6 months from now, you can start your project. You know? And so I think it's so neat, Tomer, that you, you know, got to work with Scott and and the team over at Shamari. Shamari, what was or sorry. Scott, what was it like, what was it like for you? Like, is this the first time that somebody has come from the outside and brought you a story for your team to execute and deliver?
[01:31:40] Unknown:
Yeah. No. Definitely. It was the first time. So the first two were were in by Mallory and I, and and so this was the first time we had to, you know, put that, I guess, publishing hat on, if you will. Mhmm. I'm I think we were definitely there's a lot of nerves at first. Yeah. A level of nerves at first because you wanna make sure that this this story that Tomer, you know, wrote so beautifully, you know, comes to life, in the proper way through the illustrations. And, you know, for those who who know Sean right now, we, you know, we use these monsters throughout everything we do. And so we wanted to kinda couple all that together in a fun, vibrant way. And and to Tomer's point, you know, I I see saw firsthand when he was given the the books out, you know, kids gravitate kids and adults. You know, it's not really meant for just kids. You know, it can be kids at heart too.
But bringing those illustrations to life, that it is different, when you're doing it for somebody else's words. Just you wanna make sure it comes, to fruition in the in the proper way and and gives it the the proper grasp that it was supposed to. And so happy to, you know, have the great feedback that it's had, you know, over the past few months since it's been out. And, you know, if there are people out there and you have books and you're interested in in doing similar things, you know, no idea is a bad idea. So just come find us. We're happy to chat about that. And, and that goes for anything. You know, we're we're open books. No pun intended. But always happy to to partner with other Bitcoin companies or people in in the craziest of ways, to to make things come to life.
[01:33:09] Unknown:
I love it. I think it's really cool because also, you know and then you get, like, an expanded messaging opportunity when you have new publishers and new authors or new creatives that show up and, you know, go here. Turn this and use your create you know, your characters. I mean, I think it's really neat, you know, that that you guys are able to do this. And I remember, you know, you guys have so many cool things on the website for people to explore and check out, the good night Bitcoin movie, oh my gosh, and the book and everything. I think it's just so cool. I want people to really get to your website and make sure that they understand, you know, come and support Shamari.
Even, like think about, like, you know you know, if you know somebody who's pregnant, right, and they've got new babies on the way. Right? Get them a little plushie, and that's gonna be their little buddy, you know, as they go forward. So I think it's really, really it's so much fun what you guys are up to.
[01:34:06] Unknown:
One thing, we always said from the beginning is part of the reason we created these characters was, you know, we said if nothing else, if a kid, you know, gets one of our plushies or a book or we have baby teethers, for those super young ones as well, you know. And if we do nothing else other than bring them comfort around Bitcoin because they recognize a character 5, 10 years down the line when they're older and starting to actually learn about Bitcoin in a deeper way, and they say, oh, you know, I remember that Satoshi character when I was a kid or that Hal character. Then from our side of things, for for Mallory and I, we've done our job. It's as simple as that. Just bring that, you know, Bitcoin isn't some crazy thing out there and, you know, like, we all know the kids today aren't gonna think that most likely because they're just growing up with it. Yeah. But but to that end, you know, characters can do a lot of different things, as they get older just to make them feel comfortable with something that they're they're learning for their first time because they recognize something from their childhood. So it could be a t shirt, could be a hoodie, you know, you name it. You put put that sense of comfort in the in the back of their heads, when they're 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years old and see what happens when they're, you know, 15 or 20. Who knows?
[01:35:14] Unknown:
This would be a cool kind of long longitudinal project. Is that what you say? Like, over 25 years to see, like, oh, how is this gonna go off generationally? Obviously, you know, Tomer, you've got a great film, generational wealth. And but thinking in terms of, like, what's it gonna look like 25, 30 years from now when your kids are having kids? Like, is this gonna be part of the tradition that lives within
[01:35:36] Unknown:
fam all of our little orange is it? Family. Scott, we have we have to make a short animated movie of of the book so that everyone can revisit it every every now and then, maybe make it a seasonal thing. Yep.
[01:35:49] Unknown:
For sure. Oh, maybe you can do like a you know, one of the things I think is always fun because, like, you know, obviously, this is the holiday season. We're here for, you know, the the holidays. There's always, like, those shows, like Elf or whatever that you it's like you look forward to once a year that you watch every year, and that's just part of what you're doing. Yeah. Shala is like, do it before the film fest. Right. Okay. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? But, like, that's a really fun thing, though. If you think about, like, a holiday film, right, that's around, you know, any of the stories here. I mean, I think that could be something really fun, like, you know, Satoshi for Santoshi.
Santoshi. I don't know.
[01:36:33] Unknown:
It was it was your daughter that one of the podcast, she was saying something that Satoshi might be Santa. Right? That he went somewhere to the north. I'm familiar
[01:36:43] Unknown:
around with Daniel. I think she's a, Charlotte's son.
[01:36:47] Unknown:
And for those Oh my god. I love it. The latest Total Twins episode.
[01:36:51] Unknown:
We did have a few monsters pop up in there. So if you haven't seen that yet, go find find that one, and you might see some of our characters pop up in the background there. But yeah. You know, happy to to make those movies come to life in some way.
[01:37:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. That would be great. Sit here. Yeah. If you show the if you wanna show the show. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shahlad, what do do you wanna bring this up? Tell me do you want me to put this up on the screen?
[01:37:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I I just wrote because maybe later you can show, like, of course Yeah. Yeah. I'll show Yeah. Other projects, let's say, existing, but, like, for example, Shamori, some, let's say, reviews of the books or related stuff, but there is also a lot of free resources. So it's just to let everyone know that if they wanna find anything Bitcoin, families, kids, created for kids, with kids, with families. Yeah. I think this is a great great page because I'm not putting a lot of effort on social media. All my night hours are getting into here. So writing content, doing research, trying to aggregate as much as possible, plus publish also my own things.
And, yeah, music is the recent recent stuff. So just in case people are not still aware that there is one website for kids, for families, and cocreate it with them, it's it's this one, Bitcoin for youth. It's so great. I know it's it's really coming along. I love seeing what you're doing here, and,
[01:38:18] Unknown:
it's gonna be really, really fun to see how things continue to, evolve over time with the content that's created by us adults for kids. But then once the kids start getting into, like, you know, I was just I don't know. My mind just thought of of, you know, of Charlotte and, you know, Lauren and the kids. Like, do you guys like, Shala, did you guys do anything where, like, you know, like, a theater or a story workshop where young kids can kind of play and make some some stuff together?
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely, this is a project for 2025. So I hope, Scott, your your kiddos can can join us. Somebody this year created the voice paper. So there were, like, different people reading the white paper. I would love families and kids to do that. So that's one of Oh, that's a great idea. Have life before October 2025. And I know it will not be that easy. It might sound easy, but it's not going to be that one, that that easy. So this is one of the things. But this website is, for example, for kiddos. Like, the, the other day, I had, a discussion with 1 teenager. He is actually a podcaster as well. He's 19 year old, a very cool guy, no man podcast, a Bitcoiner.
And I told him, look. If, for example, you would like to maybe have a longer, piece of content, like, with different thoughts. Right? You are a podcaster, but maybe you would like to, like, share more, but you don't feel like writing. You just send me a couple of voice notes, and I made an article from that. Like, Sophie, the one of the daughters of Daniel Prince, she wrote an article. We published it on the website here. Let's say, Charlotte, she loves drawing. There are so many young kids, like, doing amazing. Like, in at Salvador, they did so many great art pieces. Even some guys, they were coming and asking, do you sell it, guys? Because we will love to buy it. They were so so they are so creative. So if they will love to, you know obviously, kids, they will not have their own websites or necessary social media. So whatever there is from some kiddos and teens or the entire family's projects, or they just have an idea of of having something, they can just contact us, and that's the their source. So I can publish it for them. I can help them to create actually this particular part of content. And I hope in the future, we can co create more things. Like, as you said, some maybe some some games or some some even, like, next versions of this kind of summit, like, next additions, right, with with family. So let's see what the future brings.
I have a lot of energy. Maybe sometimes even too much and even more ideas than than the energy. So let's see. Yeah.
[01:40:54] Unknown:
I think it's so great. I know somebody was just asking, I don't know, just whatever on Twitter. Like, hey. I need some resources for, you know, teenagers. Like, how do you teach teenagers about Bitcoin? And, you know, it's such a different target audience and how they're gonna learn about something and what's relevant to them. Yeah. You know? And so I think it's so cool that we've got all these different types of creatives and people out there, you know, from a variety of of levels and angles, you know, and what's important to people. And and I think even culturally too, you know, I'd be curious just right now, obviously, we've got 2 massive events going on. 1 in, one's in Nairobi for the bit Africa Bitcoin Conference, and then we've got Bitcoin MENA over in Dubai, that's happening. And so 2 huge wonderful, conferences. So it's just like, how are folks from the other side of the world learning about Bitcoin and what's relevant to them from a Bitcoin and what's relevant to them from a storytelling lens. Right? Same thing even down in El Salvador and parts of South America and Central America. Like, what's relevant to them and their culture? What's relevant to, you know, folks in Asia and whatnot? So I feel like there's we're just so early scratching the surface. You know? Because I think about Bitcoin to us means a certain thing. But, like, if you're living in a rural village, and then all of a sudden some Bitcoin miners came in and they helped you turn your, you know, your your river into hydroelectric, and now instead of having a candle to read your stories, you have a light at night. Like, that's pretty neat. Like, Bitcoin gives you light, and Bitcoin gives you the ability to have electricity for refrigerating medicine.
You know? So now mommy's gonna have her medicine or whatever it might be. Like, so I think the storytelling from the younger perspective from all over the world, it's like, what a great, quilts, tapestry, you know, that you're weaving right here with this website. I love it.
[01:42:50] Unknown:
So I'm so excited to hear about more, you know, and you've got Bitcoin, Akazi, right, in South Africa. And it's like their stories, I bet, are ultra remarkable. Yeah. There's the Bitcoin babies. You were mentioning the, upcoming conference. So at the beginning of December, like next week. Right? So there is an amazing project. They are actually targeting, like, moms, young moms. They also got some of our resources. They are preparing some site event for their in El Salvador, I've met one of the most inspiring young guy. Like, okay. He's not a teenager. Like, maybe he is in his late twenties.
He is doing, like it's called note note runners nation, and he is teaching at school's kids how to run their own notes, and he is showing it through games. This is incredible. So the more you travel you know, there is this saying that the travel broadens the mind. Yes. In this sense, going to conferences is not only, like, to spend time with Bitcoiners. It's to see, like, their reality and to get inspired and maybe motivated because you would never ever imagine how many great things these people are doing. Look at Bitcoin. Like, we are now translating their Spanish content into English and so many other languages to learn from them. So we don't even know in the Western Hemisphere, we might sometimes think, like, feel a little bit, you know, supreme, which is not true. These people are doing an amazing things and maybe we can learn from them. And there are so many of, family focused, kids focused initiatives all around the world.
[01:44:16] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like we're so early as everybody likes to say. And again, like, when you see the the the transformation of a young mind, you know, like like Charlotte, for example. Is Charlotte coming on? Because I really wanna say hi to her. She hasn't come back on the door yet. So those will probably be soon. So If if they come, I'd love to say. But but, like, just her evolution. Right? And it's like, what a cool story. Like, she's gonna have her own unique story to tell. Like, my mommy and daddy started Shamari. You know? Like, what a neat interview that's gonna be. I would like it to be. I would like my show to be her first interview ever if she ever chooses to do an interview. Yeah.
[01:44:55] Unknown:
I'm gonna make sure that happens.
[01:44:58] Unknown:
But, like, how cool. Right? And you just think about, like, the it's kind of like, you know, Bitcoiners are you know, obviously, it's like Satoshi's, like, invented fire kind of Prometheus. Right? And so it's like your parents are contributing to that, Charlotte, you know. And so it's like, what a great story she's gonna get to share with, you know, her peers and around the Camp Fire as it were, you know, when we get older. So it's just I love this stuff. It's just so cool. My heart, I get I get dosed up every time I talk to you guys and talk to other Bitcoiners and feel like this this hope. I mean, it really is. It's like, Shala, like, going down to El Salvador. Well, that was your first time in El Salvador. Right? Was that yeah. And so, you know, I told my mom, you know, obviously, I've been there a couple of times to get to go to to DJ and MC, and she's like, You're gonna get killed. That's terrible. El Salvador's awful. And I was like, Well, it's kinda changed radically. Right? And so, what would you say just because I love El Salvador and I wanna give El Salvador a plug for people who are, you know, that's scary. I don't wanna go down there. Like, what would you say to folks who might be listening? The most the most dangerous thing about El Salvador is traffic jam.
[01:46:12] Unknown:
But I was just sad. It's something it's because of the crazy drivers. And then actually, it's not any different than Turkey, Greece, or Italy. You know? So
[01:46:21] Unknown:
yeah. Oh, we have another. Hi, cutie.
[01:46:24] Unknown:
I know someone just wandered into my room here. Yay.
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Somebody's nice and cozy and warm. Yeah. I know. And and I think like traveling, it's like you guys said, you know, it turns you into a new person, you get a new perspective, and and it's so important, like, take a chance, you know, and go. I've got some friends right now who are single women traveling all through South and Central America to all these different Bitcoin locations, you know, and they're just given little reports of, like, how's it going here in this circular economy? What's happening over here? And and, you know, it's such a welcoming community. Like, I know anywhere on planet Earth, if I said, hey, I'm gonna be in, you know, x y z town. I'm a Bitcoiner. They'd be like, come over. Let's go have coffee. You know, it's kind of like Burning Man. Like, if you're a burner, you're like, oh, hey, cool. Let's go listen to some music together. So Yeah. But but, you know, in El Salvador, locals,
[01:47:13] Unknown:
I'm not talking only about Bitcoiners, locals. I mean, generally, southern nations, they are, like, very warm naturally. But what I realized, it was only I was only there a week. Everyone is very proud in a good sense, and they are so warm. And even I don't speak Spanish. Like, maybe my Spanish exists of, like, 100 words, but they will still help you. They are friendly. They are happy, but they are proud in a sense that if probably you try to attack them or do something bad, they will not attack back, but they will ignore you. They have this kind of nice way of of, yeah, like, dignity, but they are super, super friendly, and it's a safe place.
I have been feeling safe everywhere I've been walking, including evenings.
[01:47:58] Unknown:
I know. That's wonderful. And and, yeah, and it's like, you know, it's not to say, you know, don't put your seatbelt on. Right? Like, in the world, like, be careful and look around you and have situational awareness anywhere you go on earth here in Colorado. Like, I'm like, Well, who's behind me? It's just common sense, but don't be afraid to be an adventurer in life. And I think it's a really, really important thing. I know we've just got a little bit, a few minutes left here with everybody. So, Tom, I know you got to jump. Do you want to just give a farewell to the audience?
[01:48:31] Unknown:
And thank you again so much for coming on. And I know it was last minute, so bless your heart, sweetie. For sure. Just listen, this time of year is just such a special time for families. Right? And it's a Yep. Time to be with your kids. And if you were an inspired Bitcoiner, don't shove Bitcoin down their throat. Give them a nice path to it. And I think everything that's been talked about here today is a way to bring something that you love into the life of someone that you love without force forcing it on them. Right? Letting letting them consume things at their own pace. And so that is, that's that's my, that's my summary for today. And lots of love to all you Bitcoiners for because we all love the same things,
[01:49:14] Unknown:
and I won't go into the details of all of them. But, I'll see you all soon, and then let's just follow-up Val and and, Scott, in the channel afterwards about, you making that donation. Awesome. Thank you so much, Tomer, and congrats. I'm excited to get my hands on that book too. Thank you so much. I know I've got I probably what I'm gonna do is, like, all the well, December 20th. I'll figure something out, but I'm you know, whatever we raise, I'm gonna be buying stuff from Shamari anyway. So and then donating to his stories. That's why I just I I just I want you guys to figure out how to make that,
[01:49:47] Unknown:
that money work best for getting that book into as many people's hands as possible. Yeah. It'll be great. Alright. Aloha, Tomer. Thanks so much, brother. Aloha.
[01:49:56] Unknown:
I like the aloha shirt Tomer had on too. I just noticed that. My my little The dog was the dog
[01:50:02] Unknown:
was bundled up, and Tomer was in Hawaii. I know. Right?
[01:50:07] Unknown:
I know. Well, it's the spirit of being there in the islands. Man, I'll tell you what. When we lived on Maui for 4 years, the Hawaiians, like, know how to celebrate Christmas. They go nuts. Like, everyone's front yard is just, like, full on decorations and scenes and nativity stuff. It was it's always fun to go cruise around all the neighborhoods and see you know, it's better than hot. I mean, it's like Halloween's a huge deal there too, and, like, Christmas is really fun because it's just like, it's fun to celebrate with, you know, palm trees. I love it.
Well, so what are any what do you guys have got going on for the next couple months? Do you have any, conferences or events where people can come find you?
[01:50:51] Unknown:
So for us, the next event at this point in time would be Vegas, in Vegas, which sounds far away, but it it really isn't. Actually, Charlotte was just asking about it this morning. Wow. And so that's the the next one we plan to physically be at. Cool. And then, you know, for people out there, if you are throwing events, whether it's a meetup or conference or anything between and it's something that, you know, we can't physically be at, but you want our products there, reach out. There's different ways we can go about making that that happen to make sure that, you know, even though we can't be there, the the monsters can make their way to wherever you are. So sometimes that'll that's a little easier, and, you know, one day we'll start being able to to travel around the world, to get to some of these places even better. Can can we get, like I don't know. Are you do you know about the space in Denver that opened up? I do. I know a little bit about it from from Tatum,
[01:51:40] Unknown:
and his partner, but, yeah, getting some stuff there would be great. That would be great. Yeah. I'm gonna start hosting this coming Tuesday. We're gonna start doing the second Tuesday of every month. We're doing a women's, you know, women in Bitcoin just meet up so women can come. And so I'm also gonna host some Bitcoin for families and, like, get the moms. So I think it'd be really great to have some stuff that they could touch and buy. So if there's any, like, consignment or something that you wanna send, like, a box over and then have the space, because we're we're definitely focusing on doing some more family friendly events. There's a really cool school that's right adjacent to the building.
So I thought, like, oh, that would be a cool after school thing to get kids to come over and do, like, a little Bitcoin workshop or something. I don't know. I'm so I'm I'm working with Joel, just on some ideas who's he's the events guy there. So we'll we'll talk offline on that. And then, yeah, and shout out to Denver Space. So it's really cool. It's like I'm so excited. These guys have just completely nailed it there. What about you, Shala? I know you guys have got the Bitcoin Film Fest coming up in May. Tell everybody about that.
[01:52:40] Unknown:
Yeah. So May 22nd to 25th, 2025, Warsaw, Poland, as always, the the unique building in the center built by Stalin, and we are running a Bitcoin, events there, which is extra exciting. So, yeah, probably from January on, I will be super busy working on that one. Everyone is, yeah, more than welcome. Warsaw is not that far when you think about it. Nice location. Weather will be amazing, and it's not conference, which is very important to mention. It is a culturally, like, the culture event. You have screenings, parties. We will also include this year pizza day. So this is what's, what's, in in my road map at least for 2025, but I will still continue working on the Bitcoin Junior Club. I just started playing with the music video clips, and I think this is also a fun way to educate families or to, yeah, inspire even entire families how they can spend time together with some Bitcoin master theme 5 in the background.
Yeah. I will, yeah, work one work on that project still, in my night hours, and then let's see whatever comes extra.
[01:53:48] Unknown:
It's so cool. I love you know, I got to go to the the Bitcoin Film Fest on the end the bookend of, Bitcoin Atlantis in Madera, and it was so cool. Right? And I just think it's so neat because, again, it's just like we have the opportunities to go to these conferences or these festivals or these experiences, and you're either, like, yeah. I gravitate towards, you know, all the charts and the graphs and the numbers and how this is gonna affect my clients' portfolios, you know, and then you've got, who? What's the art stuff going on over here? And how is the storytelling in all these different ways? Like, so I learned so much at that event just because of the people's projects, you know, about, like, what's going on in Africa and what's happening in different parts of the world. And so to me, it felt really, like, it's so valuable to have multimedia and to have the culture part there. And I know I I my first Bitcoin conference was in 20 was it 2022, I think, or 2021?
No. 2022. And it was in Miami. And I remember I was listening to some Bitcoin mining talk, blah blah blah, and the next panel was about the Bitcoin memeers. And I was just like, okay, whatever. And I started walking out, and then I was like, no, just sit down, relax. It was my favorite panel of the whole event because, like, being a memer and and, you know, for those of you who are listening who don't know what that is, it's like you're making the most poignant remark in a tiny little picture with, you know, maybe a word or no words or, you know so it's just like, wow, that's a talent and an art to get a a message across within, like, a second, you know? And so I was so impressed, you know. And I'm just like, I wanna I wanna learn how to meme.
But, but, yeah, I think it's so cool. I love what you guys are doing, and I'm just so excited that we're we're all rocking together. And I hope this time you can join us because what you've seen in Madeira was I mean,
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first of all, it's a different location with full respect. Just like couple of hours in Warsaw, you have one of the most beautiful cinemas because it's not multiplex that ever you can you can visit. And I'm saying it, like, really, believing in in that. Extra, you have a lot of parties, yeah, discussions, not panels, and books and everything that is all around culture. And we have even, like, you know, the let's say, like, Oscars. We have this golden rabbits with with, like, voting and, like, the best movies are winning also some awards. So it's like little cam cam cans, you say it. Right? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. But less posh y, with Freedom True related movies, which are not only documentaries recently, and I'm super happy about it.
And and the best parties ever. Like, 3 at least 3 different parties. So yeah.
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I wanna come. I'll come, DJ, speak, do whatever you guys want me to do. So I gotta go on through to get my butt out there. So, we'll go. Shamar,
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are you gonna have Shamar out there, Scott? Like, are you gonna get some of your, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Yeah. So some time before the conference, even not knowing that I'm going there, I ordered some of their books and then I think the pins as well. And then, yeah, later we produced some stickers together. So Shamari was there,
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present, like not in person, but the monsters. Not all the monsters are scary, I called it, and kids practice well to some kind of workshop. So yeah. Oh, I love it. I wanna give a quick shout out to Aladdin and BTC Trading Cards. He was supposed to be here today, but he said he was feeling pretty under the weather. But, you know, for those of you guys listening who are also looking for fun stuff for the holidays, for your family, there's BTC trading cards, and there's educational cards and collectors cards that you can get, and they're super creative. There's a huge team of artists and educators, and they've created these fun little packs kind of like, you know, baseball cards. I see you've got baseball behind you, Scott. You know? So it's like the people who are excited about trading cards. Like, BTC trading cards has blown up over the last few years, and so it's just so cool to see these little, subcommunities who are excited about, you know, sharing the Bitcoin message and learning about Bitcoin in their own unique, you know, medium as it were. So I just wanted to give him a shout out and say thanks for all the work he does out there, and it's great. And you guys can get, you know, a 10% discount, and, of course, that's all gonna go to, Toys for Tots. So check out btcdashtc.com, forward slash love. And then last thing yeah. I still I wanna give one more plug to the Independent Music Summit.
We're doing this in Austin. It's gonna be put on by Tunestr
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Uh-huh. Unchained,
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and Adam Curry is gonna be there on Monday night or yeah. Monday night at Antones. We're gonna have a whole bunch of different artists and musicians on Monday. We'll be streaming live, and you guys can do zapping. And so we really wanna help educate, artists and creatives about how value for value in Bitcoin can get used. And then on that Sunday, we'll be at Bitcoin Commons, and we're gonna be doing, you know, Phantom Power Music is gonna be sponsoring, and they'll be doing panels. And we'll be talking to different artists and creatives about how to integrate Bitcoin into your workflow and, you know, have some freedom money and buy some new gear for the holidays, maybe. That would be fun. But, but, yeah, I just wanted to say thanks again to everybody who's tuned in, and thank you guys for, you know, any donations that come forward. And, again, from December 6th to December 20th, I'm opening up my Albie wallet, so any sats that go in there are gonna go straight to Toys for Tots.
And, hopefully, I have a I have a target of a 1000000 sats. So who knows? Maybe the person who, donated that million to, Charlotte for her her bracelet will be listening, and we can get some more sats for for the kids. So sats for tots, that's what we're up to.
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I can drop an exclusive if you want, Bal, since you brought up Aladdin. So it's not out there yet, but, in the series 3, packs that Aladdin is putting out, there will be a Sean Marie card.
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Oh, cool.
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Yes. So, actually, just saw the final version of it the other day from Aladdin. And so keep an eye out, maybe next week sometime on the on the socials to see what that looks like. But since you brought up,
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what they're doing over there, there will be, some monsters in those packs, coming out here in the next few months when those god. I can't wait to see the the the monsters in the packs. That's gonna be fun. Yep. Isn't it cool? I mean, how neat. You know? You got to work with Tomer. Now you guys are doing stuff with Aladdin. I mean, it's just all of this stuff, and it's just cross pollination of of love. It's this, Brandon's the mycelium network of Bitcoin. Right? And so it's it's just neat. I love it. Well, I just wanna say thank you both so much for taking your Saturday afternoon and morning with me and the audience and sharing what you're up to, and I really hope that everybody who's listening, you know, gets something out of this experience. And, you know, you can always reach out to any of us, on our socials, on our websites. Like, you know, I know all of us are always excited to talk Bitcoin and share wisdom and answer questions. So thanks again, And, you know, make sure you guys go get some some toys and some books and stuff from Shaw Marie and also Free Market Kids.
And, you know, if you want to make a donation, you guys can donate directly to toysfortots.org. Or if you wanna donate in SATS, get it to to me on the website, and I will, I will forward everything over to make sure these kids get some something happy under the tree. So yay. But thanks again, Scott and Shala. You guys are amazing. I love you both so much, and, I'm just so glad to be doing this with you. Thank you very much, Belfer, for hosting and putting it all together. It was awesome. Yeah. Thanks again, you guys, so much. And everybody listening, I wish you the warmest and happiest day. I'm wishing you peace, love, and warm aloha. Thank you, guys, and, we'll talk next time.
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Bye. Thank you. Bye.
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Thanks, you guys. A week. Bye.
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Bye.
Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Happy Saturday. Happy holidays. Happy oh my gosh. We're gonna have the best Bitcoin for Families virtual summit. I haven't done this before. This is the first time. So I feel super honored and privileged to have 2 sets of the best homeschoolers and Bitcoiners and educators here for this first hour. This is Daniel Prince and his beautiful daughter, Lauren. Hi, you guys. Welcome. Hello. And this is Scott and Tali Lindberg from Free Market Kids. Hi, you guys. Aloha. Yay. So alright. So I just you know, we obviously wanted to talk about, you know, how is Bitcoin a tool for families, and how can we help other, you know, parents and young people learn about Bitcoin in a way that's accessible, that's fun, that's creative, that's playful.
And you guys have all done your own beautiful parts with the way that you educate with the podcasting, with the games, with the books. And so I would love to, just let you guys talk about how you got here, what your, you know, what your experience has been, and what kind of before and after transformations you've been able to see in your own lives, in your families, and then with the people that you serve. And so we'll break those down over the course of the hour. But, but, yeah, first, I think how do how about Daniel and Lauren? Why don't you guys, you know, introduce yourselves, and then we'll, we'll let you guys talk about, you know, who you are, how you got here, and then we'll have Scott and Tali jump up and, do the same. Okay?
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Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for hosting us, and thank you for doing everything that you do to to spread Bitcoin knowledge, around the world. Valerie, it's it's very important. And Scott and Tali as well who have done some incredible work. And I know they've been even touring, homeschool conferences to to to lay the foundational orange pill with their their product Huddle Up. And it was very it was it was a great privilege to have them on the podcast as well this year. So if anybody's not listened to the once bitten podcast, that's the podcast that Lauren hosts and lets me, you know, ask a few questions on her behalf.
Right, Lauren? Yeah. Yeah. I I do all the scheduling. I'm Lauren's people. I don't think people you know? I do all the scheduling and all of the recording and all of the editing, and she asks, what, 2 or 3 questions to show and then just flips off and leaves me to handle the rest of the hour?
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Yeah. Basically.
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So we yeah. The the the one's bits and podcast has been going for 5 years in January.
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Wow.
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Lauren has been asking the first question on each show, since about 10th show. Andy Edstrom was the first person to face you down, wasn't he? And, it's been an incredible journey. And our story, I suppose, has resonated with families around the world that, are struggling to bring in their families, whether it's their immediate family, their spouses, and their kids, or whether they're extended family, And that the homeschooling or unschooling or worldschooling aspect of that, is linked to my book, which I wrote while well, yeah, whilst I was falling down the Bitcoin rabbit hole and the self directed education rabbit hole at the same time. So I think that's what resonates with families. I just got an unsolicited email this morning from a family in in Australia that are gonna sell their house, go all in in Bitcoin, take their kids out of school, and start, homeschooling and traveling. So it's it's those little wins that you wake up to in the morning that that make all of this worth it. So big thank you to the community, to the listeners, and to everybody else that's been putting their best effort forward to to spread the message of of Bitcoin education around the world.
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Amazing. And then, Tali and Scott, why don't you let everybody know, like, what you guys are up to, who you are, what's free market kids, and, and we'll just keep popcorning back and forth so everybody can kinda get going. But before we do that really quick, like, way to go, Daniel. Like, you never know who your message touches. Right? And you never know if they ever even reach out to you in the future. Right? And so that's what's so cool about, you know, this technology, this day and age, our ability to have a podcast, our ability to have a voice with social media because it's like you just never know what that little tiny spark of message is gonna get somebody ignited. And then all of a sudden, they get, you know, a whole new life just because you said something that mattered to them. And so for everybody listening, like, your voice is your superpower, and so use it as much as possible with love and with dignity and integrity. And that's what's so cool about Bitcoin. So I just wanna say congrats on that, Daniel. That's amazing.
Thank you. Yeah. For sure. So Tali and Scott, what's up? Why don't you start, sweetie?
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Well, we started in Bitcoin much, much later than Daniel and Lauren, actually. And, and our kids were already graduating from high school when we really went in deep. So unfortunately, we sort of passed that life stage when you could tell them anything and they just accept it. So they have been a challenge for us because we've taught them so well. You know? That's what they tell me. Mom, you've taught us so well. You told us to question what people tell us, and that is what we are exercising right now. So They say that after they've already challenged her on something? Yes.
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Right now. So They say that after they've already challenged her on something Yes. And she gets upset, and they say, well, you taught us. You taught us. Beautiful. So they actually pose a very unique challenge to us because we're not
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able to just say something and have them accept it. So we're constantly doing this dance between pushing for a little bit more acceptance and easing back and letting them make their own choices. That really is a dance you have to end up finessing. You know? And so that's where we are. And and I think one of the biggest lessons that I have learned since entering the Bitcoin space and wanting to share Bitcoin with my own family, as well as other people's families, is you've just got to meet them where they are. So we have so much. We wanna tell people.
But if you come at them directly, sometimes that's the worst thing you can do. So everything we do is to try to tell them stuff without them putting up a wall. So we started with the Huddle Up game. From there, it I started the podcast to reach women. From there, I started working on children books because there are people who are ready to hear about money, and there are people who are who need to work on other things first. So there are all of these stepping stones. You have to be just recognize where they are and understand that they are still maybe 5 steps away from you telling them about money, but that is also okay. And so just leave room for different kinds of discussions and eventually be able to meander their attention toward where we want them to go. Right.
I'll, I'll just share a really quick story. What you said at Valerie about having other people respond to you, but not really knowing how that's gonna come back to you. So recently someone reached out to me and it was a gentleman who was a Bitcoiner. And he said, will you please talk to my wife? She's very, very scared about us entering the Bitcoin space as a family. I said, let's go have her call me and I will answer her questions. And then that way, you know, after the phone call, I felt so good because I was able to translate something that
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her husband wasn't able to translate for her. So, anyway, I just wanna Yeah. It's about it's about impact, and I think a huge part of that is is just setting the example. So, I mean, we're still we'll still learn a lot. If you haven't listened to Walker on on the once bitten podcast, It it just came out last week or the week before. Just phenomenal deep dive on on homeschool. And what's it's not necessarily just the words that are said. So think about it. So so Lauren, some some day you'll look back on this, and you'll probably say, okay, now I get it. But by coming on all these different podcasts, you have you are so much more prepared than anybody who's in a public school right now.
And that's not your dad preaching at you. It's him saying, we're gonna give you the opportunity to to go and do things. And so I, lately, I've been trying to I've been trying to put a a framework around this, and the the closest thing I can think of is, as parents, we're not the heroes in this this story. The the heroes are the Lawrence and all the other kids out there. Our job is to be their guide. And they're gonna have to go through their own troubles, and you gotta let them go out there and and struggle with it. So my guess is, Lauren, the first time you went up there was hard to ask a question. And you held your own with Walker, and I thought you're gonna take over that whole podcast.
Right? So I think just what a what a stunning example. So when you when you listen to whether it's whether it's Bitcoin Homeschoolers with us, or Once bitten, or any other, it's it's not just the words that are said. It's you're you're setting an example for for others, and it does. It fills you up. You have that this fulfilling at least we do. It fulfills you when you realize that you've made an impact on somebody else and you've helped them in some way. And that is, I mean, that is just I don't know how the words for it, but it is very fulfilling.
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Yeah. It's just to build on that, actually, how did you I'm gonna ask Lauren a question. Were you nervous the first time that you you were 9 years of age when you started asking these questions. And it was Lauren's choice, by the way. This wasn't the shtick of the show. You know? This was this happened organically. I was leaving dinner each night, wasn't I? Like, gulping down my dinner because I had a podcast interview. You guys have seen a change in me and my behavior and my thinking. And now I was a podcaster. You know, you're expecting, you know, that that that career change.
And you asked, didn't you? Why why did you wanna come and do do you remember that? No? I don't, honestly, I don't really remember,
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and I also don't think I noticed you changing probably my 9 year old brain. Yeah. But, and, no. I'm not I don't I don't think I was nervous. I was just another human being and I didn't, like
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. I was just another human being that I like I thought you did you know him before? Andy, I'd read his book. We had DM ed each other
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and set up, I had a new podcast. Andy had, trepidations. He's like, who's this British guy that's gonna start Bitcoin podcast? Like,
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whatever.
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Okay. He wasn't impressed with, my original artwork on the, on the podcast. You gotta be careful. Right? You you can't just go and, you know, talk about your life's work with, I could have been a crypto bro. Yeah. And, you know, it wouldn't have been the right message. But, yeah, we we gained each other's trust, and he came on the podcast. And this is one thing I actually wanna say, a big shout out to any of the guests that have been on the Once bitten podcast. Like, the the humility that they've shown in answering Lauren's questions from from the age of 9, you know, you you don't know how people are gonna react to that. And I've interviewed my goodness. I mean, over 500 shows now, somewhat double, appearances. So maybe 450 different people. And every single different person has been gracious, has given Lauren the time, and any of the other kids that have come on to ask questions, including professional football players that answer my son's football questions. You know?
Everybody has been so gracious with their time, and it puts them on the spot because they can't answer a stock question with a stock answer. They have to switch their mind and try and find an analogy that's going to hit home with a 9, 10, 11, 12, or 13 year old. And that includes Michael Sailor and Jeff Booth and Glyn Alden and anybody else that's been on the show that all of I remember you asked Parker Lewis, what is a hedge fund? And he was like,
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fuck. Well,
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you can't give an, you you you've gotta think about a different way to present your answer to, you know, a a a kid. And in doing that, you show humility and that sets the rest of the show up for for that, like, natural conversation to unfold. So a big thank you to everybody that's ever come on the show, and I know, Scott and Tali, you've been on as well. Thank you. And for giving up their time to come on and and have these conversations.
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Mhmm. Yeah. It's really, really important. I think, you know, like you had mentioned earlier, Tali, it's like you meet people where they're at. And so if you're having a conversation with a retired person or a child or a hedge fund manager, perhaps, you know, you're gonna have different ways that you need to do your your mental gymnastics to have, you know, an intelligent answer that is, you know, meaningful for the person who's listening. And so I think that's super important. So, Lauren, let me ask you this. What, you know, what do your friends think of, you know, your relationship to Bitcoin and doing the podcast and being an educator and an advocate? Are all of your friends Bitcoiners, or how do you communicate with your friends?
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Well, most of my friends are new and, because we moved to England. And, me and my siblings are not trying to scare them away yet. But, it has come up a couple times, to explain, like, why I go to conferences or because my dad has to do something. I'm like, oh, yeah. It's for, like, my dad's work. And I want to try and explain it, but I don't feel like there's just enough time and to be honest, energy right now, but, like, probably more in the future.
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Mhmm.
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And and how has and how has this, experience changed your relationship with your father? Has it brought you guys closer together to get to do these projects? Like, how do you feel like your your relationship has shifted?
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I would say so. I know that me and my dad had a grudge when I was 6 because I kept annoying the hell out of him. But I don't I don't what do you think?
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Yeah. I think it's cool that we get to hang out and do this together. I think it's very cool. And, like, Scott was saying, what you're learning from having these conversations with people who are not me is that's the gold. That's the Bitcoin, I suppose, the saps. That's that's where the learning is happening, and you don't realize it yet. But you will I'm sure you've that you've come across times that words are coming out of your mouth that you had no idea were actually in your brain. And the knowledge that you can you can share with people is will just be natural through having these conversations. And, getting, you know, like Scott said, just having you put in the put in the way and having these conversations with people is the the best education I could have ever dreamt of for for you to to learn about Bitcoin and the way that it changes people. And every person you've met has been, what, fun, intelligent, honest, shown, you know, integrity, wants the wants the best for other people. That's the only reason they come on. It's the only reason they write the books, just, design the games.
So
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and the plushies. Right? The plushies.
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So I if I could interject, I think your relationship just shines through, and I know that when our girls who are off at college tell their peers that they came up through some type of state school, that they're gonna talk to their parents, there there's a shock that they're gonna share with their parents something about that's personal. There's even this disbelief that they could they could do it. So so so, Valerie, you're hitting on one of the biggest upside. It's so asymmetric. The upside is so asymmetric to have that relationship with your your kids, and I think we lost Val. Okay.
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No. No. No. I'm I'm just going off so you guys can be bigger on the screen. Don't worry. I wanna I wanna highlight you.
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Okay. I'm not going anywhere.
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I think your relationship comes through. And then and then Lauren, so I actually would wonder I have this question. I don't know how many of your friends are homeschooled versus some other state school or other. But another way of looking at this whole conversation is, from at least what we've experienced, we always treated our children as a person. We respected them, we treated them, we didn't try to baby them, we didn't give them baby talk, and the whole FUD around socialization is so backwards because it is homeschoolers or worldschoolers where you have to interact with people who are not your own age. And when you are forced in a state school to be with people your own age, you are robbing those children of the opportunity of learning how to talk with others.
And it's it's so obvious. It's it's if you look at it, someone like yourself coming on here and and 500 episodes later of of of podcast, that's not what people get out of the the state controlled type of environment. And it's it's such a simple thing. Let people interact with people of different ages. That's natural. That's life. So if you wanna world school somebody, let them talk to anybody. That's I don't know. I think your relationship comes shining through, and there's there's so many levels to that, Valerie. Good luck taking that whatever way you wanna take it.
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Well, that's I I would love to and I love you know, obviously, you guys talk and, Daniel, you speak speak about world schooling, and and that's something I think that, you know, our kids were brought up in the Montessori school in, when we lived in Hawaii. And it was only 3 levels that were in the same room, but that still was very, you know, a little bit more world like. Right? Because you had the older kids help in the younger kids. They get empowerment. The kids look up, etcetera. And so they're getting that cross, aged, you know, integration. And so I think, you know, what Lauren is getting to experience is, you know, you're you're getting life on steroids, you know, being able to do this, you know, in such a beautiful way and in such a beautiful supportive environment, like you said, Daniel, like and and I know you guys experienced this too, Scott and Tali. Like, everyone who's a Bitcoiner and an educator and somebody who's in this this love illusion, this revolution for the future, like, we're all in it to win it. Like, we want the world to be better than we found it. And and anybody who's excited or interested, it's like, cool. Let's we've got time to share with you. You know? Like, let's yeah. You've got questions. There's no dumb questions. Like, let's pull up a chair and let's have a cup of tea or something. So it's it's changed my life in ways that I've never even thought possible. Like, the people that I've gotten the privilege to meet, like you guys, and getting to go travel, and just the way that my whole world view has shifted, and the way that my positivity and hope for the future has shifted. Because, obviously, as we all know, you know, the world can seem kinda scary, you know, especially with all the FUD and the the media and all the things that are out there. And so when we have Bitcoin in our our toolkit, you know, it's not just a tool. It's like it's an energy. It's a vibration of of hope. It's a vibration of the future in innovation. And so, so Scott and Tali, I'd love for you guys to share a little bit about, the games and, like, why did you choose games instead of just books to teach people?
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Can I, can I actually kind of back up a little bit? I just wanna make a comment really quick. Yeah. For sure. I wanna address families, especially Bitcoiners who are listening and their kids don't want to hear it. That's the authority of Bitcoiners out there from every conversation I've had. I would say 99% of the Bitcoiners struggle with this. And I just wanna say, it's okay if they are unwilling to directly listen to you when you tell them about the coin. Mhmm. But if you continue to talk about it, if you think out loud and you're talking about it, they will be storing that information in the back of their mind. And one day, when it applies to them, it would already be in there. So in that way, they're still benefiting, so don't get too frustrated that they're not saying, oh, I love you, daddy, so much for telling me about Bitcoin. That may or may not ever happen, but you're still influencing them. So that's the first thing. And the them. So that's the first thing. And the second thing I wanna just say is also be careful when you're talking about Bitcoin, that you're not being super negative about everything else, because negativity turns people away. People are naturally attracted to positive energy, and you're naturally repelled by negative energy. So you might have good intentions because you wanna direct your intention and and your family's attention towards something good. But because you're emphasizing the good by really amplifying the bad, you're gonna turn them away. So continue to talk about Bitcoin, focus on the good stuff, and don't worry too too much that they're not openly accepting it because they're still benefiting from it. So I just wanted to add that in there, and then now we can talk about the game. That I just I'll I'll popcorn really back on that and then the game if you got if you don't mind. Like, I
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tally, I hear you. I know my family, you know, they're still not Bitcoiners and, I mean, they're eventually, everyone will be a Bitcoiner, I think. And and, you know, and I think you guys said it too, Lauren and Daniel. And it's like sometimes you need to hear it from someone who's not your family, you know? And and same thing even with husbands and wives. Right? Like I know, right? You know, you like tell your husband something 20 times or your boyfriend and then he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he goes and hears it somewhere else and he's like, hey, did you hear about the thing? And you're just like, really?
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And And you don't have something to say apparently. That's what
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that's what my mom does. She tells my dad all these things and he's like, yeah. Yeah. And then like 2 months later, he's like, did you hear about this? And I'm like, yes. I told you.
[00:23:38] Unknown:
Lauren, you haven't heard about the secret dad school yet, have you? Yeah. Like, we are we are specialty trained. These are these arts are hard to to achieve this level of mastery. Sounds like, you know, you know, I'm a maybe Daniel too were, experts at this.
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Selective
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hearing is what it's called. Selective. It's true with kids though. If you if you look at kids, you will listen. They're more likely to listen to someone who's just one step ahead of them. So if you're high school and you're listening to someone in college, they're more likely to listen to that person because they can relate to that person more than an adult. And that's not always true. You can have your heroes, but the message does it it does matter. The messenger
[00:24:20] Unknown:
does does matter. Messenger does matter. And I think a lot of times because, you know, the tight family units, we've we've had, you know, certain incentives to, like, okay. You're trying to tell the kid what to do or you're trying to, you know, get your partner to do a certain thing versus, you know, so there's that kind of baggage of our history in relationships. And so you're right. Like, having a clear messenger who doesn't have any agenda other than, like, hey. Isn't this cool? It's like, oh, okay. So I think it's it's such an interesting game and communication as a human being in general, whether it's about Bitcoin or health or wellness or anything. And so, so yeah. So,
[00:24:58] Unknown:
okay. Actually, Valerie, a real eye opener for for us and something that, you know, really smashed down a lot of these barriers because I was just the dad at the dinner table beating, you know, like, beating the drum like Bitcoin for many years. Everything changed when we started going to conferences together as a family to meet other Bitcoiners because then you are surrounded by messengers, and people go off and find their tribe. We walk now into a conference room, and everyone's gone scattered, 6 of us, in 6 different corners locally. It's so difficult to find you because, like, like, the 1 place 5 minutes and then the 1 place Yeah. But it's now the same with you guys because I need to find you because you you're doing a panel or something on the stage and you're off in a corner and running around with your friends, getting free merch from every.
But yes. And so the messenger then becomes the person on the stage delivering the keynote or the person or, like, with for my wife, you know, she she might have seen Alex Gladstein speak or she might have seen, Obi talking about something or Lyn Alden on stage, and then all of a sudden or Efrat, you know. It's it's such a different vibe, and everybody is so invested in it, and you can feel that positivity. Walking into a com a Bitcoin conference hold is an energy unlike anything else, and you can't help but be drawn to people, positive energy. And, again, you know, actions speak a lot louder than words. And if you've if you're there as a family, like, you've made the effort to be there, people will be drawn towards you as well. And you've got friends that range from goodness knows. Like, little kids all the way up to adults. Right?
Every time and all of the other kids as well. Madeira, you were there, Valerie. You you saw something very special. Yeah. That was such a great experience. And they had the little kids' block, the kids' tent, completely full Yep. All day long. And you had Giacomo and Jack Mallers in there answering 12 year old kids' questions from the stage, and even the moms and dads were putting their hands up. Yeah. It's, it's a really important thing. So if, if anyone's listening, families, make 2025 you know, make it your mission to get to 1 Bitcoin conference.
[00:27:20] Unknown:
Yeah. It's so, so important. I know Madera was so special with the Kids Zone. And, you know, because think about it. Right? Whether you're, you know, whatever your reason is to go to a Bitcoin conference, if you have to leave your family behind and daddy's gone or mommy's gone, there's can be a tiny bit of resentment, you know. And so it's kind of like, well, families at Bitcoin together stay together. And so how much more fun is it that everyone's kind of speaking the same language about the future and about hope and about love and education and making the world a better place, you know, versus the separation of that. And so I'm so delighted to see these family, you know, areas popping up. El Salvador just had one. So Shala is gonna be coming on at the top of the hour, and they did the she's got Bitcoin Junior Club, and they had a whole, you know, kids area in El Salvador.
And so I feel like you guys are the future. We're doing this for you anyways. So it's like, why not create as much opportunity for you to have space that's fun and safe, give you microphones so that you can speak and not just ask questions to the adults, but speak. And because you guys have different viewpoints than we do, and we don't have all the answers. We're the ones who made all the mistakes in the first place. So we want you to your wisdom to help clean it up. Right? And so I I think this is super duper important. Yeah. This is it it is. And and like you said, Daniel, there's there's there is an electricity, a vibration, a feeling, a frequency when you go into, electricity, a vibration, a feeling, a frequency when you go into whether it's a Bitcoin meetup in your local area, whether it's a conference, whether it's a retreat. You know, Tali did a women's retreat last year or this year, you know, 2024.
And anytime you're in the zone physically with each other, not I mean, this is great being able to have our digitalness, but, like, being able to hug you guys and yeah. Like, there's it's, like, next level. Right? And so and then that lasts for a long, long time after you leave the conferences. You know, it's almost like you're filling up your love tank with with hope and and with intelligence and wisdom and connection. And so, yeah, I highly recommend what Daniel said. Make it a point to go to at least one conference with your family or a meetup or anything, and it'll and then get back to us. Send us a text and tell us how it was, and then tell us where we're gonna see you at the second one that you go to because we know you'll be addicted. No.
[00:29:45] Unknown:
No. No. That's all that Tali is she has, an idea where she's gonna do her 2025 women's retreat. So you guys might wanna talk on that on a different time. Okay. Cool. Well, plug it. If you have an idea, plug it. It. Let's let's hear it. Yeah. Drop drop it. So we've been invited to join the Alaska Bitcoin conference in July.
[00:30:05] Unknown:
And so they're planning it to be a family friendly experience. We're talking, like, I was talking to the organizer and I was like, I wanna go on the family trips. Like, I'm gonna leave the conference and go on the family trips because it sounds like so much fun. And, you know, what we wanna do is remove the barriers for anybody to be able to say to their families. Let's go to the Alaska Bitcoin conference because it's gonna be so much fun for all of us, not just for daddy, you know, talking about Bitcoin with Bitcoin people, but everybody's gonna have fun, and everybody gets to look forward to it. So, anyway, so I was I was thinking about, tagging the women's retreat after the conference is over so we can stay a little bit longer and enjoy Alaska.
That is So that is in the works, and I will announce details when I pull it all together. Yeah. Daniel,
[00:30:54] Unknown:
you can still your your lovely wife can still participate in that because they're gonna have stuff for
[00:31:00] Unknown:
guys to do separate than that after the conference. I was gonna say, that's the perfect perfect idea because then you can book a week long holiday. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I geeked over. I could geek out, go listen to the the the talks and whatever else whilst these guys are doing. I don't know. Fun stuff. Fun stuff. Yeah. Daniel, you'll love them too. They are
[00:31:21] Unknown:
the the people organizing it, Wade and Tam, ER, they're homeschoolers. So they're Bitcoin homeschoolers. And so the you'll you'll love them. You'll if you haven't met them already, you'll you'll love them. Yeah. No. New to me, but, I've made a note.
[00:31:35] Unknown:
Okay. Amazing. Oh my god. And that sounds so great because nature, obviously, too. You're not just in a city. You know? I mean, obviously, the city conferences are kinda cool and interesting, but I bet this is gonna have this a whole another level of of opportunities to really, like, ex Mhmm. Be in awe of of God's creation, right, in nature. It's so cool. I was asking them if they will be serving loose burgers
[00:31:58] Unknown:
or bear burgers, you know,
[00:32:01] Unknown:
asking food. Okay. Put that into your world schooling. Alright.
[00:32:04] Unknown:
But I was sure that there would be no
[00:32:07] Unknown:
beer burgers because they taste too gamey. That's awesome. So we'll see. Alright. We'll see if Lauren is going to Lauren's like, oh, that sounds gross. I don't know about the beer burger.
[00:32:18] Unknown:
Well, let's talk about the games. Let's talk about free market kids and the the and I'm gonna pull you guys'
[00:32:23] Unknown:
screen up here in a sec. So go ahead and just talk, and I'm gonna pull up your website. So the the reason for the the reason I pursued games was a selfish reason. I I like games, and this is how I learned Bitcoin. It took me 2 years to build huddle up. I learned a lot. And when I made the lightning game channel up, I I mean, for the first time, I started to understand what it meant, what the inbound liquidity problems and other things were with balancing channels that I didn't get before. So that's that's kinda layer 1 with self the the selfish thing. But layer 2 was I wanted we were we're homeschooling, and we wanna teach money literacy. We wanna teach about Bitcoin.
And it seems to me that games are a great way where you can do something tactile to explain comp complex concepts in a simplified way. And so we've often described huddle up as a bridge because it's all based on mechanics, and you can you can basically teach Bitcoin if you want to. We recommend that you're just quiet and play the game for fun, but you can if you want to. You can use it, as a lesson to teach. And I actually if I could tie it back to what we were just saying about the conferences though, I would add a third layer to the games. And that is, we have we have this this thing where we're not only splitting kids up by age, so they're not talking to people of different generations, but we also have a lot of screen time.
A lot of screen time. And when you were just talking about with the conferences and the fellowship of being around like valued people, that is so important. So as a family, or even with your friends, the layer 3 that I would describe is, this is an opportunity where you get to sit down for 45 minutes of people of different generations, different whatever political interest, whatever. If you're family or friends, and we get together and play, even if we don't talk about Bitcoin, we're interacting as humans, face to face, and that fellowship time, especially after COVID, is really missing. So it's it's kinda three things. For myself, I learn a lot, and I enjoy the games. The second layer is free market kids as an educational we wanna share this with other people because we think it's it's fun.
But I tell you what, that fellowship and that interaction with people, that layer 3, that is something we need more of. And if games can help somebody spend more time with people that they care about, that's that by itself is a win. If they happen to ask some questions about how Bitcoin works, that's a second win. But anyway so the fellowship side, the conferences, the meetups, that's that's a huge piece of why I think traditional games are an easy tool. Right? You take it out at at the holidays. You can take it out once a week for game night, whatever it is. Anyway yeah. So that's how I'm seeing games.
[00:35:08] Unknown:
So I just wanna add on top of that because huddle up is specifically teaching about Bitcoin. Right? And as I mentioned before, I believe we need to meet people where they are, and they may not be ready to talk about Bitcoin just yet. So if you say, hey. Let's play Huddl up. 1st, they're they're going to say, well, you're spelling it wrong. Is you know, do you know how to spell? But, also, the second thing is they may not have any interest in learning about Bitcoin because they still are operating under that false understanding of what it is. Right? It's a cryptocurrency. It's a scam, whatever it is that they might be holding on.
And I just wanna share a quick example. So I was, networking at a local women's event, and they we were introducing ourselves. What do you do? What do you do? And I said, well, I teach money literacy. So we got into a conversation. I was invited to a non profit organization, talking about how to elevate money literacy slash financial literacy for kids in inner city. Kids are coming from trouble homes. So I went into not Bitcoin, but I talked about just economics, cause people can relate to that. They understand price movements, applying to me, etcetera.
So I actually wasn't talking about how to up. I told them about the other game. Is that the best you can do? And I just talked about how kids should understand when a politician says, we're gonna increase tariff on our imports. What that means for themselves. Instead of just hearing sound bites and other people interpreting these regulatory proposals, they should be able to answer those questions themselves. Right? So I said, okay. You play this game. There are 2 things you're working on immediately. Communication skills, which everybody agrees is good. Right? Working on communication skills. The second thing is quick math, mental math. You just adding subtracting. That's it. So if you go from that point of view, and you just sell them on that idea. So I was able to convince them to use the game to teach your kids, and then they start asking where do they go from there. I said, well, it's interesting you said that. And I wasn't even meaning to lead the conversation toward Bitcoin.
But because we were already talking about money, the conversation went there naturally, and they said, okay. So after you teach them about how price moves within the free market, I would like for you to teach them about Bitcoin. I'm like but if I had gone in there to say, let me tell you about Bitcoin, I don't think we would have got there. So
[00:37:33] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's such an important point both of you guys made up with, you know, with the the layer 3, the social layer, the interaction with humans because, you know, COVID did do a big number on us and separated us. And so what other things, like, you know, if we try to read a book together, it's kinda like, well, that's good. And it's good to do individually, and sometimes story time is really cool. You know? But it's like you're only getting to a certain layer of interaction. And so creating something you can physically touch and play with each other, I think, is you know, you guys have nailed it here. I I love what you're doing, and I love that, you know, tally. You you understand you're not just coming in with the orange hammer and hammering everybody over the head with Bitcoin. So, this is just so much fun. And I think, you know, again, there's so many ways for all of us that we've been engaging with our unique path of, you know, becoming Bitcoiners. It's like, are we podcasters? Are we entrepreneurs? Are we writers? Are we, you know, financial analysts? Whatever we do, you know, everybody's got some kind of a thumbprint to put on the sculpture of of this beautiful masterpiece. And so I think it's really fun to see what the threads are that we all pull on. Obviously, I love music and creativity, so that's one of the threads that I like to pull on. You know?
I'm gonna plug it. We're doing an Austin event next weekend, a Sats by Southwest, and so we're teaching people value for value. We're gonna do a day long experience, you know, that's gonna be panels and stuff at Bitcoin Commons. And then the next night, they're gonna be having a whole bunch of different artists like Ainsley Costello, Just Loud, Justin Loud, and, Abel James and whatnot. And they're all gonna be doing, you know, music and performance, and they'll be live streaming, and people will be able to donate sats to them while they're performing on stage. So it's like there's just a million ways for everybody to, you know, learn about financial literacy in a cool, fun way that is relevant to their zone of interest and genius and passion. And so, yeah, I think it's really it's really, really neat. Have you guys, like you know what? I'm I'd be curious. I know this is a little side thing, but, like, have you seen any churches or places that do, like, live streaming churches that you can zap? You know, like, to me, that's a giant market of people who were doing livestream spiritual events that you could have, like, a little zapping dashboard on the display behind the the ministers or the pastors or preachers. You know?
Have does anybody know anybody who's doing that?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
I know they take donations with a QR code on the screen now instead of passing the basket around. So they did yeah. But I imagine if they're in the middle of their preaching, they wouldn't want people would be on their phone unless you're looking at it remotely, I suppose. Yeah. So I don't know any of them doing it while they're preaching.
[00:40:27] Unknown:
Yeah. So who knows? I'm just I don't know. That just popped into my head for some reason. So Yeah. I I I wouldn't know, Valerie, but,
[00:40:35] Unknown:
just to let you know, we we had some Jehovah's Witnesses knock on the door about 2 weeks ago, and I flipped the sermon on the doorstep.
[00:40:43] Unknown:
And I was reading
[00:40:45] Unknown:
I was reading, literally reading Psalms from thank God for Bitcoin. So I had Jimmy Stone on the week after, and I was telling him this story. He was absolutely, you know, rolling up with laughter. But they they they they stood and listened for 20 minutes, as I tried to explain to them. I one of their opening gambits was, do you think we'll ever have peace? And that led me they they perfectly set me up to to explain the monetary system and, talk about, Jesus knocking over the money tables and usury and all of this kind of stuff and show them the book. Like, physically show them the book. I was wearing a Bitcoin racing hoodie at the time as well, and there they are. I'm like, okay.
This mad dude is teaching us about money and anthropology and Bitcoin all at the same time and reading us Psalms. So I big shout out to Jimmy and the rest of the authors that that, armed me with that knowledge because I wouldn't have had it otherwise. You know? I wasn't, brought up, in well, I was brought up under the Christian faith, but, you know, we we weren't going to church each week. So that's and that comes back to your thing. What you were saying earlier, everybody's got a role to play. Doesn't matter who you are, what you do, what you believe, what you think. But if not you, then who? If you're not gonna sit there and talk about it, because we we do get weary. We we do get you know, you're gonna get to that point, why am I bothering? I'm not gonna talk about it anymore. And they can all just go and find it on their own time.
That's the easy way out. Don't give up. And like Tali said, you don't have to be beating the drum at the table. Just be there for when the questions come or link those things that they're talking about in the mainstream media to Bitcoin somehow. Yeah. And that was just, I I thought you'd find that funny. Just weird that you brought up church and and this happened within the last, 3 weeks or so. I think that's great. Thank God for in having the book ready to go right there. I mean, that's just
[00:42:56] Unknown:
that's just brilliant. I mean, everybody should just keep a copy of Thank God for Bitcoin right by their door. Go by Right? And then for that moment, when it happens, you go, it's funny that you say that, and then you just pull it right up. We do that.
[00:43:08] Unknown:
I love that they asked the question, do you think peace is possible? Because, obviously, I don't know where my peace sticker is. But peaceful money, peaceful world. You know? Bitcoin for peace is my jam. And it's like people don't understand the connection, like you said, Daniel. Like, find the connection of what they're interested in, you know, and and tally. Like, meeting people where they're at is that's how we're gonna succeed. You know? And it's like, if you're passionate about human rights, if you're passionate about, you know, number go up, most of us are excited about number go up. You know, we came for number go up and we are staying for the revolution, you know. And so, whatever the incentive is of why we're excited about it or why, you know, we hear somebody talking about an issue that they think is unsolvable that perhaps Bitcoin, you know, relates to. It's like,
[00:43:56] Unknown:
well, you know, and you think about The icing the icing on the cake there, Valerie, just to round this story off completely, my parents came to visit, and I've been trying to teach them about their kind for goodness knows how long. And I told them this story about the Jehovah's Witnesses, and they found it very, very funny. And my mom had a story about her granddad that actually had them come in, and he summoned them for an hour because he actually knew more about the bible turned out than, than they did. So I put the book in her hands, and she went home with Nice. Yeah. Wow. He went home with a different book. So And my my dad. Yeah. He he walked out with a a copy of Keesa's book, the simplest Bitcoin book ever written. That's one of the best books for sure. She did such a good job on that.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
And and and it like, Seb Bunny, have you guys read, The Hidden Cost of Money by Seb? Oh my gosh. Like, that to me, of course, is another He he's threaded everything so well, you know, and because I think about the demise of the family unit and mental health demise and, you know, the vibration of scarcity. Right? When we're living in a sense, you know, a pool of fear constantly because of the media and because of all these things, we're, like, you know, living with this nose above water. I can barely breathe, but I'm, like, doing this. So if we're in that, you know, fiat zone, you know, how are we ever expected to be the fully expressed, you know, divine versions of ourselves, you know? And so you've so many people don't think to connect money to the divine version of yourself and mental health and the family unit, you know? And and it's just such a it's just so neat to hear how people weave those stories and make the the dots connect. You know? And so I love how many writers and creatives are out there that are, you know, doing it in their own way. Right? And so I just it it's magical.
Let's talk we've got a couple more minutes. Tomer's in the the green green room. Hi, Tomer. I'll bring you up in a sec. And, but I wanna talk about you guys', you know, the books and the the the the games and where everybody can find you and, you know, and just so everybody knows, everything that's, you know, if if there's any affiliate codes with discounts that, you know, because I get some affiliate stuff sometimes for this whole podcast. And then, anything that goes to my Albie wallet with Noster between now, December 6th, actually, yesterday 20th, is all gonna go to Toys for Tots.
And so if you guys wanna donate to Toys for Tots, it's just a really great organization here in the states, or donate somewhere in your local community. But, that's it's by the marines, and, they make sure that kids have toys in the communities. And so this is a tradition that I love to do. Each year, I like to take my kids shopping for toys for other kids, and then they get to, like, donate the toys that they chose instead of just writing the check, which, you know, writing a check is great too. But it's just a nice way to have that, like, you know I don't know. I just kinda I grew up, like, thinking that every kid should have a toy under the tree if that's what you celebrate. You know? And so I really think Toys for Tots is such a great organization. They they constantly deliver great smiles during the holidays for folks who might be struggling. So so so if you guys are listening and you zap this on Noster or anywhere, just know that everything that's going into my Albie wallet is going straight to Toys for Tots. And so and any affiliate stuff from today goes straight to Toys for Tots. So, but yeah. So free market kids. So what do you think people should start with? What would be a good experience? You know, obviously, it depends where they are, but and I saw you guys had a little bundle going on, so that seems pretty cool.
Let me go to the bundle.
[00:47:43] Unknown:
Right. For the for the games, we were just trying to we're just kinda thinking through. So the the reason you see multiple games is that each year, we wanna come out with a new first principle kinda game. So next year, fed up. You can you can order that now. Obviously, that's not in the bundle yet, but that'll be about clown world and printing, and then there's energy literacy and food literacy. There's so many things to to to get into. So that's what I'm doing with games. And then a little bit earlier, so the games I would say, just in terms of answer your question, I would say that if you're probably 12, 13, I have a our our nephew who's 10 or 11, he loves huddle up. Kids actually learn really fast, so I would say that huddle up is probably the right place to start.
And the age range is as as as long as they're comfortable with math, then then that's where I would you're you're gonna be fine. There are other some there's some other really cool game makers in the space. So I know, Chamory has a, they have a a game that's, I guess, made more for toddlers. I guess I don't know the exact age. And then, there is mission Bitcoin, which is about as difficult as Candy Land, and then you'd have HODL UP. So you start to put all these together and you there's, like, a whole portfolio of of of games of different ages.
And then if you're 7 years if you have someone who's 7 years and up, I would recommend Tali's books because she's, she has a new early reader series. So she can introduce things like inflation and things. I was gonna I was gonna add into it after you were done sharing. I'm done with games then. We'll go let's go with the let's go to Tali's. So hold on. Really quick. Look. So anybody who's watching, you guys can get a 4 game bundle with a big discount for,
[00:49:22] Unknown:
for 1.76. So that's something that will last you and not end up in the recycling bin. And and so that's something really cool if you get all of those. So I think that would be really neat. Yeah. And then okay, Tali. What about all your awesome books? Looks like you're sold out. Congratulations.
[00:49:37] Unknown:
I actually moved my books onto Amazon for easier distribution. But I was gonna address the big corners who have families who might be somewhat unwilling to even play a board game like huddle up. So especially talking to Bitcoiners with female partners. So I will invite them to join me in Orange Hatter. As one of the comments Bitcoin Junior Club mentioned. We do have a weekly reading club, and we just spent 12 weeks studying set bunny's book, the hidden cost of money. And one of our members, she came in as a noncorner. By the end of it, because she's in the home school space, She decided to teach a money literacy class to her homeschool students based on what we teach about money in the Bitcoin space.
So very powerful, but it's casual. It's very friendly. So that's a really great place to start for a spouse. Who's just getting her, her feet wet. If she's willing, if she's not even willing to do that, then we get a little bit sneakier. So I started writing children's books that for young children that are young enough that the parents would have to help read the books. So the message is for the parent Mhmm. Who's reading the books to the kids. So we get a little bit sneakier, and those are the
[00:50:59] Unknown:
the The the roundabout way. Reader.
[00:51:02] Unknown:
The early reader book series is meant for that very, very small cookie crumbs. We're gonna move really slowly, snail's pace. But in that way, hopefully, they absorb the information without consciously blocking it. And then eventually, they will be more open to discussions about money and,
[00:51:19] Unknown:
and Bitcoin specifically. Yeah. If I could add one more thing. So, Daniel and his wife gave up at at least an hour of their time to come on to our our podcast, Bitcoin Homeschoolers, and we don't have near the 500 episodes that he that he does. But, if you wanna hear more about the the world's schooling experience, a lot of times if you're listening to to 1's bit, and you're gonna hear all the answers from the from the guests. If you would like to know a little bit more about their background, I would encourage you to check out that episode because they they were very generous in sharing about their experiences.
So
[00:51:58] Unknown:
I love it. And that that's a great segue into, Daniel's choose life and the world schooling and your experience, you know, just advising folks to check this out and also going to the bitcoin book.shop. There's tons and tons of great Bitcoin books there too. So everybody who's listening, if you're not on the screen, you can go to free market kids.com and make sure you check out Scott and Talley's, games and books. And then Daniel wrote this beautiful book, Choose Life. Why don't you share with everybody what this is and, you know, how they how it might support them on their journey?
[00:52:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure. And, first and foremost, it's not about abortion. And
[00:52:38] Unknown:
oh oh, I was like, what? Oh my god. I didn't even get that. Just a second. I didn't even get this. I
[00:52:43] Unknown:
moment. With that movie with Natalie. This was bought up. Oh my god. Well, I I guess it is. I mean No. Right. No. Yeah. Yeah. Hamster wheel. But this was bought out. Actually, I I took a bunch of these books to, our local meetup, and I was just signing them, giving them out to to the the the people there and, as a Christmas gift. And one of the ladies was like, oh, yeah. You know, I don't wanna read a book about abortion. I'm like, Oh, no. No. No. No. It's nothing to do with that at all. You know, this is about us, how we chose life because when we used to when we quit, I quit my job and we traveled with the kids. We took them around the world. They were aged 8, 6, and 2, 3 year old twins. Lauren has a twin brother. Wow.
People would say to us, when are you gonna come back to real life? Like, you know, you you can't keep just doing what you want. And that's when I started falling down the back the Bitcoin rabbit hole as well and started educating myself around that. I'm like, no. This is life. This is actually real life. This this was the best choice we ever made, and the the book is also a nod that the title, excuse me, is a nod to, Trainspotting, which was a very, brilliant film back in the nineties. And Ewan McGregor delivered a great, monologue there in both films, Trainspotting 12.
And, yeah, that's why it's named that, and it's about how we extricated ourselves from Fiatland before we found Bitcoin and how we traveled the world with the kids and unschooled them and leveraged the sharing economy. We were homeswapping our way around the world, which we still do to this day. We still homeswap as as often. When we travel to the conferences, we we generally find a homeswap, which is always great because you get to meet new people. And if anybody wants to check that book out, then please, head over to consensus network, bitcoin book dot shop, and you will find a copy there in Spanish.
A pleb just translated it. Like, this is the community. A pleb read the book and translated it to Spanish, and I can't be more thankful for for that person for taking the time to do that. And if you buy from bitcoin book dot shop, you are supporting a Bitcoin only company, and you will get 10% discount using the code bitten. So you can head over there. You can find so many books on there. Actually, Tali, we should get yours on there. If they're not, I can put you in touch with Nico. He would love to love to host your book as well. And then, for the once bitten podcast, I I hope everybody changes their listening habits for 2025.
Get on to fountain app. Deach Apple pods, ditch Google pods, or anything else. Just go support the Bitcoin builders, and fountain app is the best place to do that. You can load up a lightning wallet, and you can stream stats and boost stats. Let's get everybody, you know, supporting the the mission here and buying the books, buying the the games, and, you know, listening on the the the fountain app. Thank you so much for everything you're doing, Valerie.
[00:55:45] Unknown:
Heck, yeah. Thank you guys for everything. I'm so grateful and honored to be on this beautiful mission together, and it's so much fun. Shala just put in the the the notes so she can translate the books into Polish for you guys if you need a Polish translator, which is pretty cool. That's Turkish. Yeah. Do you guys mind? Can I can I bring everybody up so you can all just say hello and we'll kind of do it do a little group hug with the next panel and and say hey? Is that cool? Yes. But, but I just I wanna thank all 4 of you for taking all the time to be here this morning on Saturday. I know you're probably busy with other things, and, I really appreciate the generosity of spirit and taking time to share your stories and, just all the great work you're doing out there in the world. It's really, really special. So thank you. And, yeah. I'm gonna bring up, okay. We've got Tomer. Tomer is the author of Why Bitcoin, and he's got a new book that I'm not gonna, you guys are gonna talk about it in a second here. So Tomer's coming up.
Shala, turn your camera on. Oh, there you are. And Shala is with the Bitcoin Junior's Club. Hi, sweetheart. And hold on. Where's Scott? Scott is with Shamae. Yay. Hi, Scott. Oh, look at this. I'm gonna turn this off so everybody can say hi to you guys really quick. Almost like the Brady Bunch. I know. Right? Or Hollywood Squares.
[00:57:02] Unknown:
And the monsters are there as well. Orange is 1. Yay. That's why you go grab that. Lauren, nice job.
[00:57:09] Unknown:
Hey, you guys. So so yeah. So I just wanted to say hey and just, you know, we'll do a little crossover. And, you know, Shala, we were just talking to just, you know, Daniel and Lauren and Tali and Scott were talking about just the vibration of the kids zones and stuff. So I can't wait for you to share about, you know, you know, your experience in El Salvador and doing, you know, the the what you got to participate in down there. So, I'm just super excited to have you guys all here, and thanks for, you know, taking time. But yeah. So thank you, guys. Thanks again, Tali and Scott and Daniel and Lauren, and, thank you, God. Stay strong, and it's happy holidays, and so many blessings to all of you. So we'll,
[00:57:47] Unknown:
talk with you guys soon. Great to see you, Toma. Great to see you all there. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Fun. Take
[00:57:54] Unknown:
care. Alright. Bye.
[00:57:56] Unknown:
Alright. Aloha, you guys. Thanks again. And I'll have show notes with all the links too for everybody. Thank you. Yay. Alright. So bye, guys. So, Tomer, Scott, Shala, how is everything going? I'm so happy to have you guys here and, I am so just delighted on Saturday morning. I told her you were a last minute awesome addition. Oh, you got new art. I like it on the no. That's yeah. Madera. Did you get that in Madera? I think I remember you saying you got something in Madera. That's amazing. Well, welcome to the show and thanks for coming to the Bitcoin the very first Bitcoin for Families Virtual Summit. All of the benefits, whoever's listening, anything that we get through affiliate links or Zaps are gonna go straight to Toys for Tots.
And I'm opening up my, Bitcoin wallet for the next, 2 weeks. So any kind of Zaps that we get on Noster or anything in the future is gonna go straight to Toys for Tots because they love to deliver smiles for Christmas for kids who need toys and love. So again, thanks for joining. And so I'll just kinda go over. I'll let you guys introduce yourselves 1 at a time and say who you are and, you know, what you're up to and what your dreams are. And then we'll kinda go back and forth, you know, and just popcorn your experience with, you know, being in the Bitcoin space for, you know, you you guys are all supporting the family and educations and stuff. So, Shala, I'll have you go first. Okay?
[00:59:23] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. So some people might know me from Bitcoin Film Fest, European Bitcoiners, couple of other projects in the past as well. Something that is pretty fresh. I think I launched it at the very beginning of this year. It's called Bitcoin Junior Club. It's supposed to serve as a hub for, families, teenagers, and teens. So far, I published their mostly, like, my own content, but also some content from other projects that are live, like, even what Scott is doing with Shamari, which is amazing, Tally with her books. Yeah. Many other many other things. Hopefully, in the future, it will be a project core run by Teams.
Yeah. Just recently, as you mentioned at the beginning, we were, organizing some conference or, like, a part of a conference in El Salvador during adopting Bitcoin, which is a pretty cool experience. Maybe I will share some thoughts on that. Actually, Scott with Shamari were there as well. Tally, yeah, because they shared some of the resources as well. But, yeah, that's a short thing about me. Nothing more more to add.
[01:00:28] Unknown:
That's amazing. Scott, what about you? Let's go up.
[01:00:32] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Scott Sibley, and I am I guess, now I have to say 1 quarter of the Shamari team. So it's myself, my wife, and our 2 little ones. One of them might be popping in towards the tail end. She's our basketball practice right now, so I get a special guest at the end. But we launched Chamaret way back in 2020, which was around the time we had our our youngest. And, the goal was really to start creating Bitcoin products for kids and families. Our first product was our game, and we've kind of expanded from there and, kind of fast forward to where we are now, which is why Tomer's on the show, being able to launch a a book in partnership with Tomer, which is our latest project. So happy to to dive into all that as we talk our talk throughout the hour.
[01:01:13] Unknown:
So amazing. Alright. Welcome. And, Tomer? Hey. Hey.
[01:01:18] Unknown:
What can I say? I've I've been passionate about Bitcoin for over 10 years now. A few years ago, I started dedicating all of my time to Bitcoin largely through writing, and I wrote a lot of articles. I wrote a couple of books. I wrote a couple of screenplays that got made into short films on Bitcoin. And, in and amongst all those things, at one point, I wrote a children's book about Satoshi Nakamoto and about the invention of Bitcoin, and I didn't end up publishing it because I was so caught up in publishing another book and whatnot. And then, a couple of years ago, or even less than a couple of years ago, a little over a year ago, at Pacific Bitcoin Conference, someone at Swan Bitcoin said, told me you've gotta read your kid's book to these clients of ours, and I did, and they were so moved by it. They said, you've gotta get it published. And I'm like, oh, it's so hard to get a book published. They said, you know who will help you is Scott from Chamory.
So we connected I I I don't know if we connected right then and there on the spot, but we reached out shortly thereafter. You were there, Valerie. And now I'm, like, I'm so delighted this book exists. Scott and his team have, have illustrated it. So it it's got it's got wonderful accompanying illustrations. Scott sent me a few copies of the book. I actually ended up giving them all out, because I I was with parents with kids who were reading them to their kids, and there was no way I could take the book away afterwards. I want you to read it again and again and again. And some of these kids were as young as 2 or 3 years old.
Although the book's ideally, I think, meant for 4 to 12 year olds, but they were just so enamoured with the book. And the book is called Satoshi Nakamoto and his Bitcoin Invention. I've gotta get myself a whole bunch more copies of it. But we'll we'll obviously have a little bit of time to talk about it. That's the that's the brief intro.
[01:03:03] Unknown:
Catching people. I might just interrupt. Your story actually inspired me to do, like, a group reading with kids. 1 of the other of the first or the second book, I think, of Shamoris. We did it in El Salvador. And there were, like, 3 kids after some time saying, can I also read can I also read a piece? And it was so amazing. Like, you know,
[01:03:22] Unknown:
they are really, like, so focused and passionate. So yeah. Amazing. It is great. Like, there's in in the book, there's a bunch of illustrations, and someone sent me a video of 1 of the kids who had received the book just the other day. And this is the cutest thing. It's the little book of pointing at the book of, is Satoshi, you know, in the little David's voice, and he's got a Bitcoin. And it was just so adorable. It made my heart melt.
[01:03:46] Unknown:
Oh my gosh. So, that's incredible. They're Satoshi. They're Satoshi. Well, and so and I go over. Oh, this is great. I I'll pull up your website too in a sec, Scott. Like, you know, working with young minds is obviously such a pleasure and such a treat because they're they're blank slates. You know, they're not you don't have to unteach them things. They're not already hardened and calcified into the ways of, you know, external programming. You know? And so I think, you know, some of the focus on having much younger opportunities you know, much younger educational opportunities for these kids through play, through plushies, through the books, through the games is, is such a fun way to go. You know? Because then they'll just understand.
Like, think about this generation that is coming up right now. Scott, your 2 children. Right? And so it's like you don't ever they never have to get unprogrammed. You know, they're already getting the the the the real deal from the base layer of their in in education and stuff. So, Scott, I'd love to hear, you know, you were, I think you were my very first guest on my podcast that I started a couple years ago, and and I know it took a little bit for, you know, my technical abilities to make stuff happen, but, like, you've come a long way since then. You know? And I know you said you started in 2020, and I think I had you gone you guys on on, it was 2021. It was when I started, and that's when I, you know, started learning about Bitcoin. So, you know, how has your life and, you know, Mallory's life changed, you know, starting this beautiful company? You guys are at every conference. You're always out and about, you know, making things happen. How how has your family evolved, you know, in in closeness and your relationship?
[01:05:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the number of ways are probably endless. To start with, it's given us time, and that's really something that, you know, Bitcoin gives us all. If you you you stick with it long enough, so that was probably the first thing that it allowed us to do. And going back even before that, you know, when we started learning about Bitcoin back in 2017, 2018, and then, you know, starting to build our family in that time. It it took, you know, a year plus to be able to create our game, which is our first product. And, honestly, that was meant to just be a fun side project that we thought we'd do together.
But then to your point, Val, you know, being at the endpoint personally events, the first time we were able to be at a conference was Bitcoin Miami 2021. Mhmm. We're there. We literally just had our game. Des, who at the time worked at Des Dickerson from, now she's at Thunder Games. But back then, she worked at McGox, and she was setting up the game room, the video game room, and we'd got to know her. And she said, yeah. You can, you know, you can you can have a table, literally, like a 6 foot table and come on in and do whatever you need. And so we showed up there and had a couple boxes of our game and stuff to sell and the reception that people had. Because there was something so different for a conference. You know, there's nobody else there focusing on kids. Yeah. But it's like, oh, well, okay. There there's something to this Bitcoin for families and kids and and, that side of things that we've tapped into and the other people who are starting to build around it. Let's see where this can go. And that that trip to Miami in 2021 was the really the genesis for being able to say, okay. It's not just a game we're doing for fun.
Let's turn this into products that were are really gonna help people. So I think we came back from that trip in that summer, and it was probably within a month, that we had written Goodnight Bitcoin, and started the process of getting that illustrated and kinda kept building from there. And what it's given us is, besides the time, is, as people have met us at the conferences over the past few years, we've started bringing our kids. So Charlotte was 3, with the first time she got to come to, Bitcoin, 2022, I guess, in Miami. And, you know, we like with a lot of things Mallory and I do, we just kinda do it and see what happens. Some people, I think, maybe get too scared going into it.
And so we said, you know, let's take her this year. Let let's see how she does. And she's always been we homeschool, and we always put her in environments and treat her like she's older than she is. We'll do the same thing for Zoe even though she's she's 10 months, so only so much you can do. But by doing that, it kinda lets them be in environments like a conference, and make it feel natural. And so we took her, and to make her feel part of the team besides helping out organizing things, you know, she wanted to sell things herself. So there's, many people out there. I think you have some, Val. I have.
[01:08:18] Unknown:
Bracelet Yeah. That she started
[01:08:21] Unknown:
and she had a she had a QR code on her sign. All the stats go to her lightning wallet and left with many things. You know, Bitcoiners are generous. There's no price on the bracelet. So A 1,000 stats to I think the most she ever got was a 1,000,000 stats from somebody.
[01:08:38] Unknown:
A 1,000,000 sats? Yeah.
[01:08:41] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Today is doing good. The the best thing out of anything that's come from Shamae is being able to have it be a a truly a family thing and now that, you know, everybody's involved. She loves being at conferences, whether it's being at the table or the other friends that she's met. And friend, not just other kids, but other adults, that she knows, like Yuval or Frankie or Lauren, and Caitlin when they're in Miami last year going running around. It's just a an awesome thing to see and something we we plan on continuing to do, you know, at all the events that we're at. It's so but how's her DJing skills coming along? After Pacific Bitcoin, she came up and got a little DJ action in the the Red Bull car with me. You know, I think you'll be happy to know. Well, I've I've got fun there. Zoe, the young one, she loves music. She hears a beat come on the TV or anywhere, and she just starts bobbing everywhere. So she might be you might need to put your DJ, path on her.
[01:09:39] Unknown:
Oh my god. I love it. I know, Scott. I love it. I love I love hearing how your family has gelled so much around this, and it's obviously transformational from, you know, a love level and an interconnectivity level. And, you know, the Lauren was on just, you know, level. And, you know, the Lauren was on just, you know, obviously, we were all together and they were just saying about how, you know, obviously, at the conferences now, everybody just, you know, because of, you know, the kids zones that Shala and everybody else have been putting together, the one in Madeira, everything. It's just like, you know, families that Bitcoin together stay together. Right? And it's like you're all speaking a similar language. You've all got the same thread in the vibration of love and hope that's interwoven in your communications.
And so it's instead of having it be like, oh, dad's gone again for a conference or mom's gone again, it's like, oh, we get to go together and do the thing. And so I think, you know, Daniel Prince just was saying, you know, everybody who's listening, like, make an effort this year for the families. For those of you listening, like, go to one conference together as a family if you can. You know? And it could be a meetup. It could be a conference. It could be anything, but just something in person where the rest of your family can feel the the love, you know, of of Bitcoin together. And then it's like and then text us and let us know how that went. You know? Because I think that's such a cool such a cool thing. And, Shiloh, so I'd love to hear from you too about, you know, what was it like for you this year in El Salvador in putting I know you put your blood, sweat, and tears into this this, the kids zone. So I'd love to hear from you about that. And, you know, what was the transformation you got to see?
[01:11:18] Unknown:
Tears of joy, and the rest was just the running water. Like, we got this huge rain waterfall.
[01:11:25] Unknown:
Otherwise, there was no no other tears. Also a a fun story. Like, why I would also try to engage or or, like, repeat the same messages as Daniel said. Like, yeah, 2025, the mission, like, go to a conference. So for example, we we organized, I think it was the 2nd day during the Bitcoin Paraninha, there was a soft panel. Right? So soft panel kids were the guests, different age. I think the youngest was 8 and the oldest, 13. Yeah. Samantha. So, and then one of the boys so they were like we were discussing basic things, their hobbies, life, also their observations about adopting Bitcoin, their experience with Bitcoin, but mostly about them, not not only about Bitcoin. And then one of the boys, he said, you know, it's so cool. I didn't know what to expect coming here, but now I know that it's not only my crazy dad talking about Bitcoin all the time. Actually, there are so many Bitcoiners, and they are cool people. And then everyone was laughing, but that's the best thing about kids. Like, pea kids and teenagers in general, they are honest. You know? Like like, sometimes we adults, we play some kind of games and stuff, but they are very, very pure, like, very honest, very genuine.
[01:12:30] Unknown:
And I was the best comment, like, yeah, there there are so many Bitcoiners and they are cool. So it's not on my crazy that.
[01:12:37] Unknown:
That yeah. Very, very hilarious. But overall, yeah. Speaking about this Bitcoin, adopting Bitcoin, I mean, I'm joining many different conference since couple of years, like, for for many, many years now. Yeah. This kind of, like, family focused thing, it's quite new, quite fresh. I would say from my experience, it's maybe around, like, 2 years only, when we see it, and I'm very happy to see it more and more. Like, Yeah. First of all, we are also giving the space for younger generations to make friendships, to to see a little bit different side of the world. Not only they are weirdo parents discussing some kind of topic they might understand, but not be really interested in. So adopting Bitcoin is, I think, one of the pure signal conferences overall, just aside of the Bitcoin which we organized.
Speaking of the Bitcoin I think it was a big success looking at the, all the feedback, that we received, though, yeah, there were some kind of hiccups, I can say, mostly due to the weather, but luckily I was given, indoor space the the second day because, afternoon, the 1st day, the pouring rain destroyed so many things that, yeah, you had to improvise what you can do. Also the program couldn't be performed. Yeah, we got a lot of support from just volunteers because, yeah, myself, I I couldn't be able to to handle doing everything. I think on average, we had, like, around 10, 15 kids, sometimes more, sometimes less. There were some moments when teenagers were coming and young adults as well.
I would say an average age was the youngest. Yeah. There was one boy joining us 2 days in a row. I think 2a half or 3. But on average, it was, like, 4, 6, years old, kiddos having fun, like, staying on their own without parents. We had screenings. We were having a reading session. Shamori, also Tali's book, the flowers for mom. We had some panels. Yeah. A lot of games, interactive games, and it's amazing actually how much energy they have and and how many great ideas all of them have. So for me, always, like, kids and teens are the best source to learn stuff because they are so pure. So, yeah, great experience, and I hope that there will be more and more, conferences, events, meetups.
That's actually one of the future goals of the Bitcoin junior club as well to start doing some kind of gatherings, with teams and kids, altogether where parents are just coming from time to time, but it's mostly like to have some kind of comps, for yeah. It comes, let's say, like, summer camps, you know, but in a smaller format, where the younger generations can hang out together and and exchange experiences. So yeah.
[01:15:17] Unknown:
I'd love hearing about the summer camp idea. I I wanna go to that summer camp and, you know, like, that's such a fun thing to think of. No. With all love, but rules are rules, you know, and and and this is already what I I mean, I used to organize some kind of camp, like unschooling
[01:15:32] Unknown:
kind of camp when I was in in my twenties, when still the unschooling topic was not that popular. I just realized now what I was doing. So, yeah, the rule is that it's teens that are guiding the younger ones, and they are doing whatever they want, however they want, and preparing some stuff. Adults are allowed only to visit shortly from time to time. So we can do, you know, like the yeah. We can just observe,
[01:15:56] Unknown:
from the distance.
[01:15:58] Unknown:
I think it's so cool. And I know Daniel I think I think it was either Daniel or Scott was saying earlier just about how kids, you know, they don't wanna learn from their parents. You know, we could say something 20 times to our kids or to our spouses or, you know, about the message. Timing and the messenger. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. The messenger matters. And so learning from somebody who's just a couple steps ahead of you because you're oh, wow. Look. She's, you know, 8 years old and I'm only 6. And so you, like, want to hear from somebody like that versus, you know, oh, mom's trying to tell me something. You know? Yeah. But that's one thing. But another thing is that, I like to repeat this as as a as an example. Like, adults, we have this tendency, you know, when you have racing,
[01:16:38] Unknown:
right, like racing cars, you have a copilot. And we have this tendency even, like, when we talk to each other that we always behave like a copilot. And we say, like, okay. In 100 meters, turn left, then prepare for that, do this, and do that. So we kind of, like even having good intentions, we try to impose what we like and how we like seeing things on others. And especially we do that to young young younger people than us because we think that we do have more experience. Right? So we don't have to maybe have bad intentions, but this is how we behave. And even very often when it comes to topics that we are passionate about and then being Bitcoiners, of course, we are very passionate about it, we try to, like, really push, this topic on on our kids, on our friends, on others, and on kids because we have this, again, like, quote, unquote, authority. We do it our own way. Let them experience it the way they want. And for example, for the Bitcoin Junior Club, I don't wanna also teach, kiddos, or even families about Bitcoin. For me, the core is thinking, critical thinking. The moment that we stop thinking for ourselves, we are gone. You will not understand the pure power of Bitcoin. You will not understand anything around you. So I don't also want to see future generations blindly repeating that Bitcoin is the best thing, not being explained why. So, it's better they can hang out with each other, but in different age. So not like in traditional schooling system where you are putting the same kids almost like in prison, you know, same age because they can inspire each other. Sometimes the younger kids can inspire teenagers. They inspire me a lot, and I'm almost 40.
Right? So they can, like, exchange ideas, observations, challenge each other. So
[01:18:16] Unknown:
I would prefer to keep the adults away only because we have this tendency on imposing stuff. That that only that that that that's the only reason. It's such a wonderful point. I know we were talking earlier about, you know, Tali's kids because they got introduced to Bitcoin later. And so her children were older. So, you know, they homeschooled as well and really taught their children to be very, very, powerful critical thinkers and to poke holes in things and question everything. And so anytime, you know, they would start bringing up Bitcoin, they're like, well, what about this? And the the the the and, you know, at first they were like, no. And then she's just like, you raised us, mom. You raised us really well to, you know, be critical thinkers. And so so that's such an incredible point because, you know, Tomer's book, Why Bitcoin, of course, isn't a wonderful book, but it's like, that's the questions that we all should be asking even as Bitcoiners. Like, I'm still just sort of like, is there gonna be a rug pull one day? I still need to go dig deeper. And I know I don't think so either, Tomer. But, you know, just that little birdie in the back of my my mind is still just kind of like, because I don't understand everything about Bitcoin, nor will I ever, and I don't think anyone ever will. Right? And so you're constantly looking for, you know, that that fortification, fortification of your your argument, of your philosophy. And so for young people to be able to do that in a peer to peer way versus the the adults doing like what you said, Shala, I think is really, really, it's powerful and it's how we learn. You know? Obviously, we all learn as adult Bitcoiners in the Twitter spaces a lot or doing panels like this or at the conferences. So so it's really great to set up containers for the young people to come together that are safe and, you know, inclusive, of course, for everybody to participate, but then let them let them go. Let them have their fun and be the leaders of their, you know, generation and of their their movement. So thank you so much for I know how hard it is to do those types of activities and work with the kids. And, thank you.
[01:20:15] Unknown:
It's a lot.
[01:20:18] Unknown:
Tomer, do you wanna chime in a little bit about your experience with, you know, working with younger people with the the book and everything? Sure. Or your or any you know, just bounce back on on, what Shala was just saying. Yeah. You know, I I again, for me, I
[01:20:34] Unknown:
my, my passion and my mission has been to educate people about Bitcoin. I've spent, you know, I said I've been involved in Bitcoin for 11 years. I spent the first eight of those years doing nothing but studying Bitcoin. I maybe wrote a couple of essays. I participated in what's known as the block size wars, but I was I was mostly learning, studying, understanding, building building my conviction instead of just having faith in in Bitcoin. And, and and for the last three and a half years or so, I've been pouring it out as much as I can in the form of education, answering questions, explaining, and everybody is you know, there aren't people who graduated with a Bitcoin degree in 1975 being the wise old folks. There's nobody who's ever graduated with a Bitcoin degree. So there's so many people who wanna learn, and there's so many different learning styles and and learning needs. And I I think for me that, you know, the story of how this book came about, I I didn't set out to write a kid's book. I was at a Bitcoin meetup in Toronto. There was another writer there, and he was all frustrated because he wanted to write a Bitcoin kid's book, but he didn't know what to write it about.
And he when he said to me he didn't know what to write it about, I said, this is the easiest thing in the world to write. This the story of the invention of Bitcoin is the most exciting story we've ever witnessed, and it's a true story. Like, there's a someone invented this thing that everyone said couldn't be invented, but he invented it anyways. And we don't know who he is, and he didn't keep the money, and he didn't do it for, like this story of Satoshi Nakamoto is just the most amazing true story that we know is true because we're here to witness it. And so I've written a lot of other things more for an adult audience about it, but I sat down the next morning, and this book came to me and, like, it was it was already sitting inside of me. It was just waiting to come out. So I I wrote it really quickly, and then I went on Daniel's podcast with a bunch of kids to read it live, to see what the response was to it, and it was a really positive response.
And then I didn't do anything about it for almost 2 years until, until what I mentioned earlier. So this book is written very much to inspire children on a number of dimensions, ultimately, to think for themselves as, as was said before, and and to be to believe in themselves that they can invent great things. Mhmm. Because, look, someone else created, and we live in a world where great things really can be invented, and you don't need anybody's permission to invent them, and you don't need somebody to tell you, yes, it's okay to invent it. You can go ahead and take your independence and and be an inventor. And, that's that's that to me is the theme of the book, but it's it's a very short book. It's very accessible. The sentences are very short. The words are small. I introduce 1 or 2 big words, but I I don't require that you understand what they mean in order for the kids to get through it. Like, I I use the word cryptography once. I say, he had to use a special type of math called cryptography. That's the extent of it.
But, but otherwise, it's all really, really, accessible to kids who are beginning readers and who've maybe been reading for a few years. That's that's really what I wanted to say about about the book. I'm I'm delighted with the illustrations that Scott and his team were able to come up with. They really have a very lighthearted feel that that goes along with the theme of the of the book as well. So I just I really encourage people to get it. How much is it, Scott, right now? Like, $15 or something? 14.99 or and use code love, and 10% off, and then the that 10%, Val's donating to Toys for Tots. So Okay. I'd like to match a donation. I I'd like to, like, put if if Val's putting a dollar 40 or whatever, I'd like to put $5 towards each of the next 100 books you sell. Oh, wow. Thanks, Homer. That's amazing. It's half a 1000000 satoshis. Right? Yeah.
You know? Oh my god. I love it. So, I'll you just send me an invoice when we're done, Scott, and I'll, I'll send you that money. You we can take it off the book or we can give it to whatever. I I just I really want people to get this book. I I want them to see it, and, and the more that it spreads around because I I I already know people who've gotten the book, have have read it to the point where they're now passing it on to other people and their kids. So the the ability to spread this really positive message of Bitcoin to someone who's young, and to to have that that really positive outlook, it's, obviously, it's it's a happy ending, but it's a it's it's a happy ending in the special way that Bitcoin is a happy ending for Satoshi and and and a a happy start for the rest of us. Right? And so, to launch kids on a start to say, you know, you live in a world where this great thing exists and someone created it for a great reason, and that great reason is so that you can be an inventor as well, and take advantage of it. I just think it's a really lovely idea that I wanna share with everybody.
[01:25:31] Unknown:
Yep. And I will see from, somebody with a 5 year old who, you know, before we started creating the book together, Tomory and Nishi, obviously, had never, read it. She really latched on to pitch the concept of how does nobody know who Satoshi is. And, you know, even to this day, you know, it's been a few months since the book came out and she heard it for the first time. But in random times, we'll be talking about something completely unrelated to to Bitcoin or or the topic, but it might be about how you don't know, you know, who somebody is or whatever. And she said, well, you know, nobody knows who Satoshi is either. You know, it's it's constantly
[01:26:06] Unknown:
There you go. Right.
[01:26:07] Unknown:
In different ways.
[01:26:09] Unknown:
And it's such a great story. Like, people don't people somewhat take it for granted. But to to your point, Scott, where I was on spaces with, like, 300 people the other day, and someone brought up, oh, I think I know who Satoshi is. They thought it was Elon Musk for whatever reason. But it it went on, and it's like a conversation that everyone engages in for their whole life. Right? The speculation, not just who Satoshi is. Should we bother to try to find out? Well, we don't know. Why did they do it? Then, like, all it's such a mystery, and it's there's so much to discuss. It it's really fertile ground for creating content, but also for for inspiration. Right? Like, there's so many parts of the the invention. The invention of Bitcoin is so awe inspiring, and then you look at well, so who's the inventor of Bitcoin? And we don't know who they are as a person with a name and where they live, but we know a lot about them because of the way that they conducted themselves.
[01:27:00] Unknown:
Yep. For sure.
[01:27:03] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's really special. Toma, I love that you brought up, you know, about believing in yourself. Obviously, that's one of my mottos in life is to believe. And, you know, I think for young people to give give that reminder consistently of, like, you know, you can do it. Believe in your dreams. Believe in yourself. The sky's the limit. You know? And and we can't reinforce that enough, I think. And even as an adult, like, we all have inner children. Right? And sometimes we get discouraged. Sometimes we get let down. Sometimes we, you know, take a step forward and 5 steps back. You know? But it's like, don't quit. Right? I mean, I got doctor Seuss up here, all the places you'll go. And I I remember graduating from, like, holistic health school, you know, 30 years ago, and that's what they read to us at our graduation.
You know? And it was just such a cool, reminder of, like, you're the, you know, you're the writer. You're the director of your film, of your life. You know? And, obviously, you know, you guys, Shala, you guys do the Bitcoin Film Festival, but it's like when we instill the values of hope and innovation and possibility and belief in oneself and belief in one skills and talent, you know, the sky's the limit. And I think a lot of times, you know, as parents, sometime we fall back into old things. We're like, oh, well, is this practical? Is this and it's like, who cares? What's practical is dreaming. What's practical is imagination. What's practical is Einstein, you know, thinking towards the future. You know? And so the more opportunities that our beautiful children get to see and hear and feel, experience that through toys, through books, through experiences, through games, you know, the better off they're gonna be. Because right now, they're on social media, you know, at all these different age levels, and they're being told you're not good enough, you're not pretty enough, you're not strong enough, you're not tall enough, you're not ripped enough, you don't have the right car, you don't have the right girlfriend, boyfriend. And so they're constantly being told, and then we evolve into these adults of scarcity.
You know? And then we don't believe in hope and dreams and possibility and imagination anymore. So I think one of the most important things we can all do, and you 3 are obviously exemplary at this, is, you know, demonstrating the imagination, you know, and reminding each other, you know, through our our messages and through our mediums. And so so thank you guys for being my inspiration because the 3 of you inspire me to keep moving forward and being this weird version of myself that's the authentic me. You know?
[01:29:37] Unknown:
My goodness.
[01:29:38] Unknown:
I I'm not I'm not Preston Bish. I'm not gonna go read you charts on that. You know? It's not about Michaels. You know, if I recall correctly correctly from the book, Tom, you wrote nicely that he didn't do that, Satoshi. He didn't do that for fame. He didn't do that for money. So what I like more about this story is not the mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto, but the invention itself. And what to what you were saying, Val, and, oh, also, like, doesn't matter if you are not this or that. You are Val, and many people love you, and you bring a lot of love towards other people. And and this is true. This is felt. This is visible.
And what you were talking about, like, yeah, on one side, kids are kind of, like, living in a or not only kids, all of us, in a in a environment that we are not good enough for something. But on the other hand, we are pushed to have this expert title to be famous, to be somebody not necessary with doing things, but to be visible and to have, yeah, this kind of, like, title label thing. Right? So what I find very beautiful about Satoshi's story and especially that it's nicely reading in this particular book is doesn't matter what's your title, how famous you are. What matters is that you are yourself with your name, with your skills, with learning, expanding, and with the result of the stuff that you do. So that's another kind of thing I believe we should remind younger generations more and more about.
[01:31:02] Unknown:
I agree. Yeah. And I think, you know, just the the ethos of permissionless. Like, we don't have to go get permission to go write a song about Satoshi or write a book or start a Shamari company. You know? Like, you just do it. We don't have an executive board that we need to go get an approval from and HR and get the stamp. Okay. 6 months from now, you can start your project. You know? And so I think it's so neat, Tomer, that you, you know, got to work with Scott and and the team over at Shamari. Shamari, what was or sorry. Scott, what was it like, what was it like for you? Like, is this the first time that somebody has come from the outside and brought you a story for your team to execute and deliver?
[01:31:40] Unknown:
Yeah. No. Definitely. It was the first time. So the first two were were in by Mallory and I, and and so this was the first time we had to, you know, put that, I guess, publishing hat on, if you will. Mhmm. I'm I think we were definitely there's a lot of nerves at first. Yeah. A level of nerves at first because you wanna make sure that this this story that Tomer, you know, wrote so beautifully, you know, comes to life, in the proper way through the illustrations. And, you know, for those who who know Sean right now, we, you know, we use these monsters throughout everything we do. And so we wanted to kinda couple all that together in a fun, vibrant way. And and to Tomer's point, you know, I I see saw firsthand when he was given the the books out, you know, kids gravitate kids and adults. You know, it's not really meant for just kids. You know, it can be kids at heart too.
But bringing those illustrations to life, that it is different, when you're doing it for somebody else's words. Just you wanna make sure it comes, to fruition in the in the proper way and and gives it the the proper grasp that it was supposed to. And so happy to, you know, have the great feedback that it's had, you know, over the past few months since it's been out. And, you know, if there are people out there and you have books and you're interested in in doing similar things, you know, no idea is a bad idea. So just come find us. We're happy to chat about that. And, and that goes for anything. You know, we're we're open books. No pun intended. But always happy to to partner with other Bitcoin companies or people in in the craziest of ways, to to make things come to life.
[01:33:09] Unknown:
I love it. I think it's really cool because also, you know and then you get, like, an expanded messaging opportunity when you have new publishers and new authors or new creatives that show up and, you know, go here. Turn this and use your create you know, your characters. I mean, I think it's really neat, you know, that that you guys are able to do this. And I remember, you know, you guys have so many cool things on the website for people to explore and check out, the good night Bitcoin movie, oh my gosh, and the book and everything. I think it's just so cool. I want people to really get to your website and make sure that they understand, you know, come and support Shamari.
Even, like think about, like, you know you know, if you know somebody who's pregnant, right, and they've got new babies on the way. Right? Get them a little plushie, and that's gonna be their little buddy, you know, as they go forward. So I think it's really, really it's so much fun what you guys are up to.
[01:34:06] Unknown:
One thing, we always said from the beginning is part of the reason we created these characters was, you know, we said if nothing else, if a kid, you know, gets one of our plushies or a book or we have baby teethers, for those super young ones as well, you know. And if we do nothing else other than bring them comfort around Bitcoin because they recognize a character 5, 10 years down the line when they're older and starting to actually learn about Bitcoin in a deeper way, and they say, oh, you know, I remember that Satoshi character when I was a kid or that Hal character. Then from our side of things, for for Mallory and I, we've done our job. It's as simple as that. Just bring that, you know, Bitcoin isn't some crazy thing out there and, you know, like, we all know the kids today aren't gonna think that most likely because they're just growing up with it. Yeah. But but to that end, you know, characters can do a lot of different things, as they get older just to make them feel comfortable with something that they're they're learning for their first time because they recognize something from their childhood. So it could be a t shirt, could be a hoodie, you know, you name it. You put put that sense of comfort in the in the back of their heads, when they're 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years old and see what happens when they're, you know, 15 or 20. Who knows?
[01:35:14] Unknown:
This would be a cool kind of long longitudinal project. Is that what you say? Like, over 25 years to see, like, oh, how is this gonna go off generationally? Obviously, you know, Tomer, you've got a great film, generational wealth. And but thinking in terms of, like, what's it gonna look like 25, 30 years from now when your kids are having kids? Like, is this gonna be part of the tradition that lives within
[01:35:36] Unknown:
fam all of our little orange is it? Family. Scott, we have we have to make a short animated movie of of the book so that everyone can revisit it every every now and then, maybe make it a seasonal thing. Yep.
[01:35:49] Unknown:
For sure. Oh, maybe you can do like a you know, one of the things I think is always fun because, like, you know, obviously, this is the holiday season. We're here for, you know, the the holidays. There's always, like, those shows, like Elf or whatever that you it's like you look forward to once a year that you watch every year, and that's just part of what you're doing. Yeah. Shala is like, do it before the film fest. Right. Okay. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? But, like, that's a really fun thing, though. If you think about, like, a holiday film, right, that's around, you know, any of the stories here. I mean, I think that could be something really fun, like, you know, Satoshi for Santoshi.
Santoshi. I don't know.
[01:36:33] Unknown:
It was it was your daughter that one of the podcast, she was saying something that Satoshi might be Santa. Right? That he went somewhere to the north. I'm familiar
[01:36:43] Unknown:
around with Daniel. I think she's a, Charlotte's son.
[01:36:47] Unknown:
And for those Oh my god. I love it. The latest Total Twins episode.
[01:36:51] Unknown:
We did have a few monsters pop up in there. So if you haven't seen that yet, go find find that one, and you might see some of our characters pop up in the background there. But yeah. You know, happy to to make those movies come to life in some way.
[01:37:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. That would be great. Sit here. Yeah. If you show the if you wanna show the show. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shahlad, what do do you wanna bring this up? Tell me do you want me to put this up on the screen?
[01:37:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I I just wrote because maybe later you can show, like, of course Yeah. Yeah. I'll show Yeah. Other projects, let's say, existing, but, like, for example, Shamori, some, let's say, reviews of the books or related stuff, but there is also a lot of free resources. So it's just to let everyone know that if they wanna find anything Bitcoin, families, kids, created for kids, with kids, with families. Yeah. I think this is a great great page because I'm not putting a lot of effort on social media. All my night hours are getting into here. So writing content, doing research, trying to aggregate as much as possible, plus publish also my own things.
And, yeah, music is the recent recent stuff. So just in case people are not still aware that there is one website for kids, for families, and cocreate it with them, it's it's this one, Bitcoin for youth. It's so great. I know it's it's really coming along. I love seeing what you're doing here, and,
[01:38:18] Unknown:
it's gonna be really, really fun to see how things continue to, evolve over time with the content that's created by us adults for kids. But then once the kids start getting into, like, you know, I was just I don't know. My mind just thought of of, you know, of Charlotte and, you know, Lauren and the kids. Like, do you guys like, Shala, did you guys do anything where, like, you know, like, a theater or a story workshop where young kids can kind of play and make some some stuff together?
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely, this is a project for 2025. So I hope, Scott, your your kiddos can can join us. Somebody this year created the voice paper. So there were, like, different people reading the white paper. I would love families and kids to do that. So that's one of Oh, that's a great idea. Have life before October 2025. And I know it will not be that easy. It might sound easy, but it's not going to be that one, that that easy. So this is one of the things. But this website is, for example, for kiddos. Like, the, the other day, I had, a discussion with 1 teenager. He is actually a podcaster as well. He's 19 year old, a very cool guy, no man podcast, a Bitcoiner.
And I told him, look. If, for example, you would like to maybe have a longer, piece of content, like, with different thoughts. Right? You are a podcaster, but maybe you would like to, like, share more, but you don't feel like writing. You just send me a couple of voice notes, and I made an article from that. Like, Sophie, the one of the daughters of Daniel Prince, she wrote an article. We published it on the website here. Let's say, Charlotte, she loves drawing. There are so many young kids, like, doing amazing. Like, in at Salvador, they did so many great art pieces. Even some guys, they were coming and asking, do you sell it, guys? Because we will love to buy it. They were so so they are so creative. So if they will love to, you know obviously, kids, they will not have their own websites or necessary social media. So whatever there is from some kiddos and teens or the entire family's projects, or they just have an idea of of having something, they can just contact us, and that's the their source. So I can publish it for them. I can help them to create actually this particular part of content. And I hope in the future, we can co create more things. Like, as you said, some maybe some some games or some some even, like, next versions of this kind of summit, like, next additions, right, with with family. So let's see what the future brings.
I have a lot of energy. Maybe sometimes even too much and even more ideas than than the energy. So let's see. Yeah.
[01:40:54] Unknown:
I think it's so great. I know somebody was just asking, I don't know, just whatever on Twitter. Like, hey. I need some resources for, you know, teenagers. Like, how do you teach teenagers about Bitcoin? And, you know, it's such a different target audience and how they're gonna learn about something and what's relevant to them. Yeah. You know? And so I think it's so cool that we've got all these different types of creatives and people out there, you know, from a variety of of levels and angles, you know, and what's important to people. And and I think even culturally too, you know, I'd be curious just right now, obviously, we've got 2 massive events going on. 1 in, one's in Nairobi for the bit Africa Bitcoin Conference, and then we've got Bitcoin MENA over in Dubai, that's happening. And so 2 huge wonderful, conferences. So it's just like, how are folks from the other side of the world learning about Bitcoin and what's relevant to them from a Bitcoin and what's relevant to them from a storytelling lens. Right? Same thing even down in El Salvador and parts of South America and Central America. Like, what's relevant to them and their culture? What's relevant to, you know, folks in Asia and whatnot? So I feel like there's we're just so early scratching the surface. You know? Because I think about Bitcoin to us means a certain thing. But, like, if you're living in a rural village, and then all of a sudden some Bitcoin miners came in and they helped you turn your, you know, your your river into hydroelectric, and now instead of having a candle to read your stories, you have a light at night. Like, that's pretty neat. Like, Bitcoin gives you light, and Bitcoin gives you the ability to have electricity for refrigerating medicine.
You know? So now mommy's gonna have her medicine or whatever it might be. Like, so I think the storytelling from the younger perspective from all over the world, it's like, what a great, quilts, tapestry, you know, that you're weaving right here with this website. I love it.
[01:42:50] Unknown:
So I'm so excited to hear about more, you know, and you've got Bitcoin, Akazi, right, in South Africa. And it's like their stories, I bet, are ultra remarkable. Yeah. There's the Bitcoin babies. You were mentioning the, upcoming conference. So at the beginning of December, like next week. Right? So there is an amazing project. They are actually targeting, like, moms, young moms. They also got some of our resources. They are preparing some site event for their in El Salvador, I've met one of the most inspiring young guy. Like, okay. He's not a teenager. Like, maybe he is in his late twenties.
He is doing, like it's called note note runners nation, and he is teaching at school's kids how to run their own notes, and he is showing it through games. This is incredible. So the more you travel you know, there is this saying that the travel broadens the mind. Yes. In this sense, going to conferences is not only, like, to spend time with Bitcoiners. It's to see, like, their reality and to get inspired and maybe motivated because you would never ever imagine how many great things these people are doing. Look at Bitcoin. Like, we are now translating their Spanish content into English and so many other languages to learn from them. So we don't even know in the Western Hemisphere, we might sometimes think, like, feel a little bit, you know, supreme, which is not true. These people are doing an amazing things and maybe we can learn from them. And there are so many of, family focused, kids focused initiatives all around the world.
[01:44:16] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like we're so early as everybody likes to say. And again, like, when you see the the the transformation of a young mind, you know, like like Charlotte, for example. Is Charlotte coming on? Because I really wanna say hi to her. She hasn't come back on the door yet. So those will probably be soon. So If if they come, I'd love to say. But but, like, just her evolution. Right? And it's like, what a cool story. Like, she's gonna have her own unique story to tell. Like, my mommy and daddy started Shamari. You know? Like, what a neat interview that's gonna be. I would like it to be. I would like my show to be her first interview ever if she ever chooses to do an interview. Yeah.
[01:44:55] Unknown:
I'm gonna make sure that happens.
[01:44:58] Unknown:
But, like, how cool. Right? And you just think about, like, the it's kind of like, you know, Bitcoiners are you know, obviously, it's like Satoshi's, like, invented fire kind of Prometheus. Right? And so it's like your parents are contributing to that, Charlotte, you know. And so it's like, what a great story she's gonna get to share with, you know, her peers and around the Camp Fire as it were, you know, when we get older. So it's just I love this stuff. It's just so cool. My heart, I get I get dosed up every time I talk to you guys and talk to other Bitcoiners and feel like this this hope. I mean, it really is. It's like, Shala, like, going down to El Salvador. Well, that was your first time in El Salvador. Right? Was that yeah. And so, you know, I told my mom, you know, obviously, I've been there a couple of times to get to go to to DJ and MC, and she's like, You're gonna get killed. That's terrible. El Salvador's awful. And I was like, Well, it's kinda changed radically. Right? And so, what would you say just because I love El Salvador and I wanna give El Salvador a plug for people who are, you know, that's scary. I don't wanna go down there. Like, what would you say to folks who might be listening? The most the most dangerous thing about El Salvador is traffic jam.
[01:46:12] Unknown:
But I was just sad. It's something it's because of the crazy drivers. And then actually, it's not any different than Turkey, Greece, or Italy. You know? So
[01:46:21] Unknown:
yeah. Oh, we have another. Hi, cutie.
[01:46:24] Unknown:
I know someone just wandered into my room here. Yay.
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Somebody's nice and cozy and warm. Yeah. I know. And and I think like traveling, it's like you guys said, you know, it turns you into a new person, you get a new perspective, and and it's so important, like, take a chance, you know, and go. I've got some friends right now who are single women traveling all through South and Central America to all these different Bitcoin locations, you know, and they're just given little reports of, like, how's it going here in this circular economy? What's happening over here? And and, you know, it's such a welcoming community. Like, I know anywhere on planet Earth, if I said, hey, I'm gonna be in, you know, x y z town. I'm a Bitcoiner. They'd be like, come over. Let's go have coffee. You know, it's kind of like Burning Man. Like, if you're a burner, you're like, oh, hey, cool. Let's go listen to some music together. So Yeah. But but, you know, in El Salvador, locals,
[01:47:13] Unknown:
I'm not talking only about Bitcoiners, locals. I mean, generally, southern nations, they are, like, very warm naturally. But what I realized, it was only I was only there a week. Everyone is very proud in a good sense, and they are so warm. And even I don't speak Spanish. Like, maybe my Spanish exists of, like, 100 words, but they will still help you. They are friendly. They are happy, but they are proud in a sense that if probably you try to attack them or do something bad, they will not attack back, but they will ignore you. They have this kind of nice way of of, yeah, like, dignity, but they are super, super friendly, and it's a safe place.
I have been feeling safe everywhere I've been walking, including evenings.
[01:47:58] Unknown:
I know. That's wonderful. And and, yeah, and it's like, you know, it's not to say, you know, don't put your seatbelt on. Right? Like, in the world, like, be careful and look around you and have situational awareness anywhere you go on earth here in Colorado. Like, I'm like, Well, who's behind me? It's just common sense, but don't be afraid to be an adventurer in life. And I think it's a really, really important thing. I know we've just got a little bit, a few minutes left here with everybody. So, Tom, I know you got to jump. Do you want to just give a farewell to the audience?
[01:48:31] Unknown:
And thank you again so much for coming on. And I know it was last minute, so bless your heart, sweetie. For sure. Just listen, this time of year is just such a special time for families. Right? And it's a Yep. Time to be with your kids. And if you were an inspired Bitcoiner, don't shove Bitcoin down their throat. Give them a nice path to it. And I think everything that's been talked about here today is a way to bring something that you love into the life of someone that you love without force forcing it on them. Right? Letting letting them consume things at their own pace. And so that is, that's that's my, that's my summary for today. And lots of love to all you Bitcoiners for because we all love the same things,
[01:49:14] Unknown:
and I won't go into the details of all of them. But, I'll see you all soon, and then let's just follow-up Val and and, Scott, in the channel afterwards about, you making that donation. Awesome. Thank you so much, Tomer, and congrats. I'm excited to get my hands on that book too. Thank you so much. I know I've got I probably what I'm gonna do is, like, all the well, December 20th. I'll figure something out, but I'm you know, whatever we raise, I'm gonna be buying stuff from Shamari anyway. So and then donating to his stories. That's why I just I I just I want you guys to figure out how to make that,
[01:49:47] Unknown:
that money work best for getting that book into as many people's hands as possible. Yeah. It'll be great. Alright. Aloha, Tomer. Thanks so much, brother. Aloha.
[01:49:56] Unknown:
I like the aloha shirt Tomer had on too. I just noticed that. My my little The dog was the dog
[01:50:02] Unknown:
was bundled up, and Tomer was in Hawaii. I know. Right?
[01:50:07] Unknown:
I know. Well, it's the spirit of being there in the islands. Man, I'll tell you what. When we lived on Maui for 4 years, the Hawaiians, like, know how to celebrate Christmas. They go nuts. Like, everyone's front yard is just, like, full on decorations and scenes and nativity stuff. It was it's always fun to go cruise around all the neighborhoods and see you know, it's better than hot. I mean, it's like Halloween's a huge deal there too, and, like, Christmas is really fun because it's just like, it's fun to celebrate with, you know, palm trees. I love it.
Well, so what are any what do you guys have got going on for the next couple months? Do you have any, conferences or events where people can come find you?
[01:50:51] Unknown:
So for us, the next event at this point in time would be Vegas, in Vegas, which sounds far away, but it it really isn't. Actually, Charlotte was just asking about it this morning. Wow. And so that's the the next one we plan to physically be at. Cool. And then, you know, for people out there, if you are throwing events, whether it's a meetup or conference or anything between and it's something that, you know, we can't physically be at, but you want our products there, reach out. There's different ways we can go about making that that happen to make sure that, you know, even though we can't be there, the the monsters can make their way to wherever you are. So sometimes that'll that's a little easier, and, you know, one day we'll start being able to to travel around the world, to get to some of these places even better. Can can we get, like I don't know. Are you do you know about the space in Denver that opened up? I do. I know a little bit about it from from Tatum,
[01:51:40] Unknown:
and his partner, but, yeah, getting some stuff there would be great. That would be great. Yeah. I'm gonna start hosting this coming Tuesday. We're gonna start doing the second Tuesday of every month. We're doing a women's, you know, women in Bitcoin just meet up so women can come. And so I'm also gonna host some Bitcoin for families and, like, get the moms. So I think it'd be really great to have some stuff that they could touch and buy. So if there's any, like, consignment or something that you wanna send, like, a box over and then have the space, because we're we're definitely focusing on doing some more family friendly events. There's a really cool school that's right adjacent to the building.
So I thought, like, oh, that would be a cool after school thing to get kids to come over and do, like, a little Bitcoin workshop or something. I don't know. I'm so I'm I'm working with Joel, just on some ideas who's he's the events guy there. So we'll we'll talk offline on that. And then, yeah, and shout out to Denver Space. So it's really cool. It's like I'm so excited. These guys have just completely nailed it there. What about you, Shala? I know you guys have got the Bitcoin Film Fest coming up in May. Tell everybody about that.
[01:52:40] Unknown:
Yeah. So May 22nd to 25th, 2025, Warsaw, Poland, as always, the the unique building in the center built by Stalin, and we are running a Bitcoin, events there, which is extra exciting. So, yeah, probably from January on, I will be super busy working on that one. Everyone is, yeah, more than welcome. Warsaw is not that far when you think about it. Nice location. Weather will be amazing, and it's not conference, which is very important to mention. It is a culturally, like, the culture event. You have screenings, parties. We will also include this year pizza day. So this is what's, what's, in in my road map at least for 2025, but I will still continue working on the Bitcoin Junior Club. I just started playing with the music video clips, and I think this is also a fun way to educate families or to, yeah, inspire even entire families how they can spend time together with some Bitcoin master theme 5 in the background.
Yeah. I will, yeah, work one work on that project still, in my night hours, and then let's see whatever comes extra.
[01:53:48] Unknown:
It's so cool. I love you know, I got to go to the the Bitcoin Film Fest on the end the bookend of, Bitcoin Atlantis in Madera, and it was so cool. Right? And I just think it's so neat because, again, it's just like we have the opportunities to go to these conferences or these festivals or these experiences, and you're either, like, yeah. I gravitate towards, you know, all the charts and the graphs and the numbers and how this is gonna affect my clients' portfolios, you know, and then you've got, who? What's the art stuff going on over here? And how is the storytelling in all these different ways? Like, so I learned so much at that event just because of the people's projects, you know, about, like, what's going on in Africa and what's happening in different parts of the world. And so to me, it felt really, like, it's so valuable to have multimedia and to have the culture part there. And I know I I my first Bitcoin conference was in 20 was it 2022, I think, or 2021?
No. 2022. And it was in Miami. And I remember I was listening to some Bitcoin mining talk, blah blah blah, and the next panel was about the Bitcoin memeers. And I was just like, okay, whatever. And I started walking out, and then I was like, no, just sit down, relax. It was my favorite panel of the whole event because, like, being a memer and and, you know, for those of you who are listening who don't know what that is, it's like you're making the most poignant remark in a tiny little picture with, you know, maybe a word or no words or, you know so it's just like, wow, that's a talent and an art to get a a message across within, like, a second, you know? And so I was so impressed, you know. And I'm just like, I wanna I wanna learn how to meme.
But, but, yeah, I think it's so cool. I love what you guys are doing, and I'm just so excited that we're we're all rocking together. And I hope this time you can join us because what you've seen in Madeira was I mean,
[01:55:44] Unknown:
first of all, it's a different location with full respect. Just like couple of hours in Warsaw, you have one of the most beautiful cinemas because it's not multiplex that ever you can you can visit. And I'm saying it, like, really, believing in in that. Extra, you have a lot of parties, yeah, discussions, not panels, and books and everything that is all around culture. And we have even, like, you know, the let's say, like, Oscars. We have this golden rabbits with with, like, voting and, like, the best movies are winning also some awards. So it's like little cam cam cans, you say it. Right? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. But less posh y, with Freedom True related movies, which are not only documentaries recently, and I'm super happy about it.
And and the best parties ever. Like, 3 at least 3 different parties. So yeah.
[01:56:38] Unknown:
I wanna come. I'll come, DJ, speak, do whatever you guys want me to do. So I gotta go on through to get my butt out there. So, we'll go. Shamar,
[01:56:46] Unknown:
are you gonna have Shamar out there, Scott? Like, are you gonna get some of your, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Happy to, you know, get some of your Yeah. So some time before the conference, even not knowing that I'm going there, I ordered some of their books and then I think the pins as well. And then, yeah, later we produced some stickers together. So Shamari was there,
[01:57:16] Unknown:
present, like not in person, but the monsters. Not all the monsters are scary, I called it, and kids practice well to some kind of workshop. So yeah. Oh, I love it. I wanna give a quick shout out to Aladdin and BTC Trading Cards. He was supposed to be here today, but he said he was feeling pretty under the weather. But, you know, for those of you guys listening who are also looking for fun stuff for the holidays, for your family, there's BTC trading cards, and there's educational cards and collectors cards that you can get, and they're super creative. There's a huge team of artists and educators, and they've created these fun little packs kind of like, you know, baseball cards. I see you've got baseball behind you, Scott. You know? So it's like the people who are excited about trading cards. Like, BTC trading cards has blown up over the last few years, and so it's just so cool to see these little, subcommunities who are excited about, you know, sharing the Bitcoin message and learning about Bitcoin in their own unique, you know, medium as it were. So I just wanted to give him a shout out and say thanks for all the work he does out there, and it's great. And you guys can get, you know, a 10% discount, and, of course, that's all gonna go to, Toys for Tots. So check out btcdashtc.com, forward slash love. And then last thing yeah. I still I wanna give one more plug to the Independent Music Summit.
We're doing this in Austin. It's gonna be put on by Tunestr
[01:58:34] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Unchained,
[01:58:36] Unknown:
and Adam Curry is gonna be there on Monday night or yeah. Monday night at Antones. We're gonna have a whole bunch of different artists and musicians on Monday. We'll be streaming live, and you guys can do zapping. And so we really wanna help educate, artists and creatives about how value for value in Bitcoin can get used. And then on that Sunday, we'll be at Bitcoin Commons, and we're gonna be doing, you know, Phantom Power Music is gonna be sponsoring, and they'll be doing panels. And we'll be talking to different artists and creatives about how to integrate Bitcoin into your workflow and, you know, have some freedom money and buy some new gear for the holidays, maybe. That would be fun. But, but, yeah, I just wanted to say thanks again to everybody who's tuned in, and thank you guys for, you know, any donations that come forward. And, again, from December 6th to December 20th, I'm opening up my Albie wallet, so any sats that go in there are gonna go straight to Toys for Tots.
And, hopefully, I have a I have a target of a 1000000 sats. So who knows? Maybe the person who, donated that million to, Charlotte for her her bracelet will be listening, and we can get some more sats for for the kids. So sats for tots, that's what we're up to.
[01:59:48] Unknown:
I can drop an exclusive if you want, Bal, since you brought up Aladdin. So it's not out there yet, but, in the series 3, packs that Aladdin is putting out, there will be a Sean Marie card.
[02:00:00] Unknown:
Oh, cool.
[02:00:01] Unknown:
Yes. So, actually, just saw the final version of it the other day from Aladdin. And so keep an eye out, maybe next week sometime on the on the socials to see what that looks like. But since you brought up,
[02:00:12] Unknown:
what they're doing over there, there will be, some monsters in those packs, coming out here in the next few months when those god. I can't wait to see the the the monsters in the packs. That's gonna be fun. Yep. Isn't it cool? I mean, how neat. You know? You got to work with Tomer. Now you guys are doing stuff with Aladdin. I mean, it's just all of this stuff, and it's just cross pollination of of love. It's this, Brandon's the mycelium network of Bitcoin. Right? And so it's it's just neat. I love it. Well, I just wanna say thank you both so much for taking your Saturday afternoon and morning with me and the audience and sharing what you're up to, and I really hope that everybody who's listening, you know, gets something out of this experience. And, you know, you can always reach out to any of us, on our socials, on our websites. Like, you know, I know all of us are always excited to talk Bitcoin and share wisdom and answer questions. So thanks again, And, you know, make sure you guys go get some some toys and some books and stuff from Shaw Marie and also Free Market Kids.
And, you know, if you want to make a donation, you guys can donate directly to toysfortots.org. Or if you wanna donate in SATS, get it to to me on the website, and I will, I will forward everything over to make sure these kids get some something happy under the tree. So yay. But thanks again, Scott and Shala. You guys are amazing. I love you both so much, and, I'm just so glad to be doing this with you. Thank you very much, Belfer, for hosting and putting it all together. It was awesome. Yeah. Thanks again, you guys, so much. And everybody listening, I wish you the warmest and happiest day. I'm wishing you peace, love, and warm aloha. Thank you, guys, and, we'll talk next time.
[02:01:50] Unknown:
Bye. Thank you. Bye.
[02:01:52] Unknown:
Thanks, you guys. A week. Bye.
[02:01:54] Unknown:
Bye.
Introduction and Welcome
Bitcoin as a Tool for Families
Introductions: Daniel and Lauren Prince
Impact of Bitcoin on Families
Introductions: Scott and Tali Lindberg
Challenges in Teaching Bitcoin to Family
Role of Parents as Guides
Adapting Bitcoin Education for Different Audiences
Lauren's Experience with Bitcoin
World Schooling and Education
Bitcoin Conferences and Family Involvement
Games as Educational Tools
Impact of Bitcoin on Personal Growth
Free Market Kids and Educational Resources
Choose Life: Daniel's Book
Introduction to Shala, Scott, and Tomer
Family Involvement in Bitcoin Conferences
Experiences from El Salvador
Inspiration from Satoshi Nakamoto
Encouraging Creativity and Imagination
Global Perspectives on Bitcoin Education
Upcoming Events and Conferences
