In this episode, I am thrilled to welcome Tanya Bachle, a remarkable young woman who has navigated the tumultuous journey of self-discovery and success. Tanya shares her experiences as a soul surfer, riding the waves of life as an author and event manager. We delve into her book, "The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Fucked," which took four years to complete and is now available in English. Tanya opens up about her life in Berlin, her move to London, and the challenges she faced in the corporate world, leading to a personal breakdown and a transformative journey of healing and self-acceptance.
Tanya's story is one of resilience and courage as she recounts her decision to leave a high-powered job in London's real estate industry, where she succumbed to the pressures of success, leading to unhealthy coping mechanisms. Her journey to self-discovery took her to a silent monastery in Thailand, where she confronted her inner demons and began to understand the importance of self-love and authenticity.
We also explore Tanya's current passion as an event manager and her involvement with Nostra, a decentralized protocol promoting freedom of speech. Tanya shares her excitement about the upcoming Nostra Booth initiative in South America, highlighting the power of community and the potential of decentralized platforms to foster genuine connections and support.
This episode is a testament to the power of transformation and the importance of aligning one's life with personal values and truth. Tanya's insights into overcoming personal challenges and embracing a life of purpose and harmony are both inspiring and empowering.
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(00:00:32) Introduction and Guest Welcome
(00:00:50) Meet Tanya Bechtel: Author and Event Manager
(00:03:00) The Journey to Writing 'The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Fucked'
(00:07:04) Life in London: Success and Breakdown
(00:14:09) Healing Journey: From Breakdown to Self-Discovery
(00:20:28) Unlearning and Self-Acceptance
(00:24:35) Finding Passion in Event Management
(00:30:10) Introduction to Nostr: Freedom of Speech and Decentralization
(00:36:26) Nostr vs. Traditional Social Media Platforms
(00:45:37) Community and Hope in the Nostr and Bitcoin World
(00:52:46) Reflections on Love and Self-Abuse
(01:03:34) Embracing Feminine Energy and Future Aspirations
(01:11:07) Advice for Those Struggling with Self-Truth
(01:18:50) Spiritual Practices and Personal Growth
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Unknown:
Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Welcome. I have someone here with me who, has been on quite a a wild ride. She is a soul surfer riding the waves of the ups and down of being a successful young woman who has chosen to write an incredible book. I have it right here. It's called The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Welcome, Tanya Bechtel. See? Did I get it? Yeah. Hi, sweetie. How are you? Welcome so much. I'm so happy you're here. Thank you for having me. Well done pronouncing my name. I know it's very difficult. It's like We practiced it a little. So
[00:01:12] Unknown:
I'm good. I'm good. I'm excited. I'm flying on Sunday to, Buenos Aires. So
[00:01:19] Unknown:
Amazing.
[00:01:20] Unknown:
Packing.
[00:01:21] Unknown:
What are you doing in Buenos Aires?
[00:01:24] Unknown:
Having fun. No. I'm kidding. Hopefully, a little bit fun as well. No. I'm travelling there, because I will be at Labitconf and, we're gonna do a nosto booth at the conference. So along with a lot a lot of few other Nostra businesses. So we have a South American tour and hopping from,
[00:01:46] Unknown:
yeah, city to city. So that's gonna be fun. Alright. That's gonna be exciting. We'll get in we'll go into Nostra booth in a in a minute. I just threw that up the screen for 2 seconds. But, okay, let's talk about you, Tanya. Like, who are you and, you know, what are people gonna learn by the end of this interview with you about your life and your book and, obviously, the Nostra Booth and all the other great stuff that's going on?
[00:02:08] Unknown:
Well, yeah. I'm Tanya. I'm I'm an author. As you said, I wrote a book. I'm these days an event manager, so organizing a lot of things. Yeah. And, currently living in Berlin. So this is this is Berlin, Germany, I have to say. Not Salvador. So I know. People are asking that. And, yeah. Born and raised here, grew up here. And then I went to London, like, a couple of years ago because I wanna, like, learn the language and wanna be successful and, you know, these kind of dreams you have. And, yeah. So And then, yeah. London happened. Life happened. And suddenly you're in the middle of, yeah, your thirties and try to figure out what life is about. Right?
[00:03:01] Unknown:
Totally. Well, so let's talk about this book you wrote. So, this book I was telling you before we hit go live that this book really, it really touched me in a way. It triggered me quite, you know, honestly, because it brought up a lot of things about myself, as a young woman and struggling with different things and really feeling, like, how to move forward, the rat race, all the things that we think we're supposed to be doing and the masks that we wear, you know, and, these personas that we have to adopt, you know, in order to fit in, you know, to this corporate world, into this rat race, into the money scene, into this perception of of what success looks like. And so as a young person, you know, whoever might be listening, I think a lot of us, we struggle with this, you know? And so I would love for you to tell, about the story, if you would mind, you know, as much as you want. It's very, very, very powerful. Like, it my body got a lot of different reactions literally when I was reading it, and I'd be like, okay, take some breaths, Val. Do some reading. Like, it was really emotional.
So it's really, really well written, and it's beautiful. So I'd love for you to tell everybody a little bit more about, like, the premise of the story and, you know, how how it came to be.
[00:04:20] Unknown:
Thank you. Yeah. Well, it actually took me 4 years until I hold that book in my hands. Wow. Published, the German edition 2 years ago. But then, like, a lot of people were asking, okay, where, like, you know, are you still there?
[00:04:40] Unknown:
I'm here. Oh, yeah. I was like, I cannot see you. I was like, what's happening? You're like, what happened? I just moved so that you can have full screen.
[00:04:48] Unknown:
No. Stay there. Like, so confusing.
[00:04:52] Unknown:
Do do you want me here? Do you feel more? Yes.
[00:04:56] Unknown:
I won't leave you, Tanya. I promise. Yeah. So it took me actually 4 years until I hold the English edition in my hands, and, that has been a wild journey because I'm not a writer. You know? I I I mean, I wasn't, like, good in English in school, so I I have Latin. So but, you know, I thought sometimes it's important to write something down, and not just for yourself, for all the other people who might have not the opportunity to do so. To, speak out loud or, to publish something. And that's why why I put my heart and my soul into that. So and to everybody who has ever published a book book, I mean, I'm a self publisher.
I do not have a published house, so it's actually a lot of money you invest. So, yeah, I invest like €15,000. Wow. That's a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money.
[00:06:07] Unknown:
Oh my gosh. That's incredible.
[00:06:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Let's hear, like, what I I I took a loan for that because it's it was so important for me and I still have to pay it back.
[00:06:18] Unknown:
Well, we'll get people to buy copies of this book. We'll I'll put links in the show notes and everything. You guys can get it on Amazon. That's where I got it. Or, I mean, unless you wanted people to get it somewhere else, we'll tell them.
[00:06:28] Unknown:
Well, it's on demand now. So Amazon, that's a good thing. Like, Amazon is printing when somebody is buying it. But, yeah, I learned from the mistakes from my German edition where I just, like, ordered 1,000 books and then put it. Oh, shit. I know. That's what I was wondering. I'm like, because print on demand, like KDP is really powerful. So,
[00:06:47] Unknown:
you can talk about that. I did that. So Yeah. I know. Well, we don't know what we don't know until we know it. I can actually try it. Try it out. So,
[00:06:56] Unknown:
a couple of, books are still in my parents' basement, so so it's like a German edition for them. But yeah. So I was, like, working back in 2000, like, 16. I'm no. 2015, I moved to London after university. And I came out from a very long relationship back then, and I just wanted to, like, discover myself. I was in my mid twenties, and I just wanted to, be successful as everybody, like, you know, that's, like, stuff you always wanted to do. I wasn't ready for family. I didn't wanna get married that time. I was, like, 24. I was, like, still too early. So let's discover the world, and let's go to London. Because that was that time easy because it was still in the EU, so I could just move there, don't have to do anything. And, yeah, the good thing about London is, if you're good in something, you can, yeah, be successful quite quite quick. So I was like, look.
What can I do in in order to earn a lot of money fast? So I was like, okay. Let's go into the, property industry. So that's what I did. And after one and a half years, I became manager of London's biggest real estate company, and I was living the dream, literally. You know, you have a lot of money. Like, everybody's looking up to you. You have a whole office. You look nice. You can afford everything. You know, I have nice clothes. All these kind of things you always kind of wanted, but you paid a gigantic price for that. So, like, you work crazy hours. Everybody who lived in London knows, like, you work 6 to 7 days a week. Like, had no literally no life.
You're gonna be look perfect, you know, go to the gym every day in order to be pretty and all these kind of things. Right? So Yeah. Yeah. And at one point, you know, you just you can't. Your body is telling you how, like, you know, how can you do that? Like on and on. No no break. No no weekends off. Like you don't have holidays. Well, you do, but, like, if you don't work, you don't earn money because it's commission based and all these kind of things. So Mhmm. You rather just push through it. And, after a couple of years, like, then I had a massive, massive, like, breakdown. It's like the whole body just said no. So then you try to cheat as well, like, and think, okay. What can you do in order to, like, cope?
So I started, like, smoking, then you start drinking, and then you, yeah, start taking taking some not just supplements, but, like, also, like, like drugs in order to just to work. Right? So to perform. Yeah. And, that's that was and is so normal in that industry. That's that's everybody is doing this. So and I was just, like, back then. Okay. So when everybody is doing this, maybe I can try it as well. So because then I'm awake, then I'm strong, so and it can be even stronger. And so I did that as well. So and at one point, I just couldn't. I couldn't look myself in the mirror anymore and just said, wow.
I can't. So that was the point when I, yeah, quit quit my job and try to find a solution in order, like, yeah, to get better and yeah. So back then I was kind of writing already. So I wrote all my, like, thoughts down because that was, like, easy for me in order to process what I was doing. I was like because some days, I just felt awful. And I was like, what what can I do? And the gym wasn't working enough. Like, you know, it I had no tools anymore. So Yeah.
[00:11:21] Unknown:
Yeah. So What was Tanya, what was the, what was the day, the tipping point, the moment that you had that, I can't do it anymore? Because I would imagine you had days leading up to that moment that were kind of like, you know, you're kind of trying, should I stay? Should I go now kind of thing? You know, and I know I've been there, done that in certain situations in my life, and it's kind of like there just comes a time where it's like, fuck this. I can't do it anymore. Yeah. You know? Like, it no. And and so what was your process going through that? Like, how did you know it was time?
[00:11:56] Unknown:
Well, I remember that day quite clearly. It was a morning, early morning Sunday or so. It was a beautiful day in London, so I went for a walk and I came back from a party, like, partying all night. And then I had this anxiety, and I called my mom and my parents. And I said, mom, I did something really really bad. And I told them that I took something, and they said, okay. That's that's not okay, but what do you need? And I was like, can you come? So they said, of course, we will be there. So they actually jumped on the next plane and came. Yeah.
Wow.
[00:12:46] Unknown:
How how how did it keep going after that? Did you leave? Did you get out of London? Did you stay for a bit? Did they help you you know, what was your next step there? Yeah. It was it went quite quickly because,
[00:13:01] Unknown:
within, like, a couple of weeks, we packed my flat together. So Mhmm. We put everything in boxes and then I decided because I mean I was addicted. Right? So, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I was like, okay what what am I gonna do in order to, like, heal? I can't stay in London obviously and of course I could go back to Berlin, which I did, so I moved back with my parents. But I said I think I have to go on a journey to to, like, not to only to heal myself, to discover what I really really want. Because I was so lost. Like, you know, imagine you're a manager from a top company.
Like, everybody's looking up to you. Everybody is Everybody thought you have your, like, your shit together. And it's like, everybody's always asking you for your advice. What can we do? And you are such a you are such a goer. You are so strong. You are so extraordinary. And inside I felt just so lost. I was like, no, I'm not strong. I was like, I don't wanna be strong. I'm not strong. I don't know what I want. So I, booked myself a one way ticket to Thailand, to Bangkok, and then I wanted to stay, in a silent monastery with some monks because I did some research and, I thought this is something where I really could could heal. So, that's what I what I did then. I went on a 4 weeks, like, journey to Thailand, but in the north, like, not the south. So Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, then I went to Lao, and then Singapore and, yeah, to just really just be by myself digitally. I was by myself. I wasn't drinking that time. I went to the monks and to a retreat where I had a lot of me time too much properly.
[00:15:02] Unknown:
Is there such a thing, Tanya? It's too much me time.
[00:15:05] Unknown:
It's like I mean, do you like some like a friend of mine, she was just calling me, oh, I I'm sick and I'm already, like, 3 days at home. Oh my god. When you have time for yourself, you think so much. It's like, yeah. Imagine being in a monastery for a couple of days. Nobody's talking to you. It's like, damn, thoughts are coming up.
[00:15:27] Unknown:
Wow. What came up for you? Did what? I'm curious if you had any surprises that came up in your thinking that was like, Oh, my gosh. I wasn't like, did you have a blind spot that got revealed to you about how you were looking at life or how you were approaching your life?
[00:15:43] Unknown:
Yeah. It's I mean, when I was, like, working in London, I was not a I mean, I was always I was no. I was not a nice person, I would say. I I wasn't horrible to anyone, but I discovered I I let my a lot of friends down. I let my family down. I I was I was just not there for people, You know? So because work was always so much more important than anything else. Like, you know? And this is this is just so wrong. It's like, you know, your family and your friends, that should be priority number 1 in your life. Always. Always.
Always. And that's what and that came up and I was just like, oh my gosh. My parents are always there for me and I'm not, like, thankful and gracious enough for them that they're in my life. And then I was, like, of course, thinking about myself. What do you really want from life? What is it? Why like, the fundamental question were popping up. Why are you here? It's like, what is the thing? Why are you here on that planet? And that's, like, very scary. It's like, if you really, like, ask yourself that question, you don't have the answer for. I was like, oh my gosh. And now? I was like, so, that question came up a lot, and, then I discovered as well that I feel very lonely. Like, I'm not alone, but I feel lonely. These are 2 different and major things. And, yeah, I always try to numb these kind of feelings, in yeah. When I was, like, getting busy and but when you have time to think, you cannot numb anything anymore.
So you cannot cheat.
[00:17:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I think a lot of us, you know, we suffer from this obvious distractions everywhere, you know, and we're programmed with distractions constantly that are trying to capture our attention, code us and code the way that we think and the way that we operate because, you know, these other external forces have incentives, you know, and they're power incentives, they're monetary incentives, you know? And so, right now, the way that modern or certainly Western culture is is we are very much in this matrix, right, of of this programming.
And until we can finally understand that, like, this matrix has been manipulating us for so long and then you take that sacred time for yourself, which I'm so happy you're able to do that, you know? And sometimes you have to do it many times. It's not just like a lot of people I was in rehab 8 years ago and it was for a month and it was literally like this much of the time that I needed personally for my healing and growth journey because I was, you know, a lot of things had gone on. And so people think that when you go and take this time for yourself, it's like going to the auto body shop. Look, I fixed the fender. Okay.
Back to normal. No, dude. That's not how you did it. Like, like, when things like this, when you have a breakdown, when you have a complete, like, you know, no matter what age you are, no matter why it happens, it's like a whole restructuring needs to happen. You know? And it's such a a a powerful process, and a lot of times people go backwards and they go back to where they were, and they have to go learn some new lessons that they didn't get. They have to keep repeating that grade. You know? But it's like taking that time to really get to know yourself. You know? This program I'm you know, this 11x love method, I call it getting your MeHD, you know, and it's about really who are you and why you're here, what do you stand for, what's your goals, what's your mission, what do you stand against, you know? And they don't teach you that stuff growing up, You know? They teach you, like, how to learn a skill so you can make some money and pay some taxes and buy some stuff and be in the matrix, and then you die.
That's what they teach you. They don't teach you how to live a purpose filled life, you know? And so the system is so outdated with how we're educated and then how we're taught to contribute to creating a more fundamentally prosperous society in all areas of life, not just money, but in health, in culture, in relationships, on the Earth, in the environment. And so we have so much unlearning to do, you know? And so what was the biggest thing you unlearned?
[00:20:36] Unknown:
I think to accept myself the way I am and try to love myself. And that's a fun thing. Like, once you open that box of the Pandora, you know, you cannot close it. And, like, it's an ongoing process even even today. It's like, I don't have my,
[00:20:59] Unknown:
things figured out. No. It's like, they're dangerous. Introduce me to someone who does because I would like their playbook because I've still to meet anyone on planet Earth who's got their their stuff figured out. So hook me up with the playbook.
[00:21:12] Unknown:
And everybody who's saying he does, I think or she does, they lie. Because I don't believe it. It's Yeah. Because there are still days where I like wake up and think, gosh, what is happening? Like, why? You know? So, but I think if you're just like honest to yourself and like admit that, yes, there are days, which are very challenging. But it's the way how you perceive them, how you go through these days, and, like, just yeah. Don't don't distract yourself. Let let these feelings go through your entire body, and, that's that's okay. So, yeah, that's that's what I learned so that I actually had feelings because I turned my feelings off, like, for so many years. I I remember that I now I can cry.
This is nice, right? So I never cried. So even yeah. So
[00:22:12] Unknown:
That's amazing. Have you, and I think, you know, I use the word harmony a lot about having a life, a harmonious life versus a balanced life, And I think a lot of people strive for this ideal of a balanced life, like work life balance and relationship and all this other stuff and health. And I think that's a fallacy because at any given point, like, I don't believe we can be at optimal levels in all of these areas of life, you know, and I've categorized it in these 11 areas. But so it's like coming to terms and acceptance and peace inside that some days, you're gonna be like, woo hoo. I'm riding the wave over here. I'm doing great with my family and my relationships. Rock and roll. High five to me. And then you're like, oops. I missed a business meeting because I went to the soccer game for my kids. Or, you know, I didn't go to the gym today because I wanted to stay home, you know, and do some, you know, something with my family or needed to be there for, you know so so you're never gonna be at this, like, 10 at everything every day. And I think so when we can come to grips with that, but making sure that we're not completely neglecting one segment of life for a long period of time, which it sounds like that's what your experience was.
You know, you were rocking, rocking, rocking in your business, success. You're going to the gym. You're looking hot. Let's go. Woo hoo. But it's like you said, your family, your friends, your purpose wasn't getting nourished, you know? And so it's so important. So now how do you feel, like, with after this, you know, experience? Do you feel like you've got more, more comfort in the harmony in your life in these different areas?
[00:23:59] Unknown:
Definitely. Because, I do now something I really enjoy. Like, I I don't do it for the money. Like, you know, when somebody is asking me, oh, how long do I have to work today? Or, like, are you free? I was like, this does not work for me. It's like, you know, my I don't have weekends because every day is a weekend for me. Like, you know, it's like I just love it so much what I'm doing. So
[00:24:31] Unknown:
Let's tell everybody what you're doing and how you got to this point of doing what you're doing.
[00:24:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm an event manager. So, like, if I'm truly honest with me, I always wanted to plan stuff. Like, always wanted to organize stuff. I mean, I organized my graduation, like, prom, like from school. I was like, oh, that's so cool. Like, you know, for 500 people. I love it. Oh, cool. These kind of things. And then I wanted to study that but it was just on a private university and we couldn't afford it. So I was like, Okay, do something else. And then I was like always, yeah, okay, it is what it is. I do like organize, like, birthday parties and like, I did that in my free time, like, for everybody. It's like, yeah, I'm doing it. Not to not to worry. And yeah. Then at one point, in Germany, like, after the pandemic, everything was, like, settling down.
I was like, now you're gonna do what you always wanted to do. Let's just try it. So and I started at an agency, in in in Berlin, and I just loved it so much. It's like I was I was working a lot of as well, but just different. You know, you get this, like, energy. You get that that high like, it was just another level. And but, I always wanted to be, like I always wanted to be my own boss. Like, you know, I wanted to, like, choose my clients. And, I mean, I I really loved what I did, and I still do. And my team is amazing I worked with, but the companies I was working for, it's just this the fiat system, I don't wanna support. Right? So, I mean
[00:26:25] Unknown:
So how did you okay. So how did you make the jump from the fiat system to where you are now? Tell everybody, like, what is what's that bridge of of that part and the bridge of this event experience that you're up to right now, which I think is ultra powerful and cool.
[00:26:41] Unknown:
I got invited to Prague, to volunteer, at a Nostra booth. A few of the Nostra businesses set up there and Tell everybody what's Nostra.
[00:26:53] Unknown:
Wow. As quickly as you can. 1, 2, 3, go.
[00:26:59] Unknown:
It's the foundation of the new web for me. It's freedom of speech. If Bitcoin is freedom for money, NOS does freedom of speech. So it's decentralized. You cannot be banned from it. Like, you know, you can get banned from Twitter, which I've been up to lately several times because I was posting too many stuff
[00:27:21] Unknown:
for for Noster like that. I know they don't they're if you can't they they don't like Noster post on Twitter or Substack or anything. Yeah. It's No. It was like a couple of days ago. I don't blame him. I get it. As a business person, he's like, let's not stay here, guys. You know? So from a business lens, I understand. But that can But from a censorship lens, it's annoying. It's just like yeah. It it's a frustrating one. So tell people, like, what why does the why is Nostra different for anybody who doesn't understand, and how is it linked with Bitcoin?
[00:27:51] Unknown:
Well, so, Noster is a protocol, that was written, like, I think back in 2017 by Fia Jaff. And, it's very new. So, and they are, like, everybody can build on top of the protocol. So, like, there are different clients, like, of course, there are, Twitter Twitter clones, I would say, like Primal.
[00:28:15] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:28:16] Unknown:
But there are so many other cool, businesses like I know that, Atlantis is launching their new Appsoon, which is like a digital nomad app. So you go in every city and can just, like, see and select your, events you would like to go. And, the cool thing, about Nostar is is has, like, for example, Primal has also a built in wallet in it. So when I post something Mhmm. You can actually send other people's apps. So you can actually earn money for your content. I mean, how cool is that? Right? So that's for all the creators out there, like, you know, on Instagram or, like, Twitter. You just get these boring likes. But, you know, if you have amazing con like, content, you actually earn money. So I think that's that's quite powerful. And you're independent and you can do basically, what whatever you want. And, like, I come, like, from a time when, like, the lockdown and the pandemic hit in Germany. I got banned from Facebook, LinkedIn because I was saying and fighting about things I wasn't happy with what the government were deciding. I mean, I have a very strong, background, with my family. They are both doctors.
And, you know, we were questioning everything. We were questioning the system. We were questioning the vaccines. And we made a little bit of noise, maybe a little bit too much noise. So my parents got banned from Facebook. They, they were writing articles which suddenly disappeared. So they had interviews on YouTube. Oh my god. That got deleted. So and all these kind of things is this just not happening with Nostra. So and when I came to Prague and
[00:30:13] Unknown:
at one point, I because I didn't get Nostra, I was like, what is a protocol? What is that? I don't get it. It's like so complicated. It's like Did you get more into Nostra first and then Bitcoin because of Nostr? Yes. Yes. Oh, this is exciting. I this is the first time I've heard this kind of a a journey. So, oh, girl. Let me get some popcorn.
[00:30:33] Unknown:
Yes. That's like that's when everybody is, like, talking about Bitcoin. I was like, don't ask me Bitcoin questions. I mean, I I invest in Bitcoin. I have Bitcoin, you know. But I, like, I'm still new. I still learn and I'm eager to learn. But no, I'm I'm very bullish on Nostar. And when I came there, I was like, oh my god. Freedom of speech. This is so great. This is I I couldn't believe
[00:30:57] Unknown:
it. And I know. It it's insane. Like, I mean, I think right now what's going on with people getting jailed for making comments about certain things or obviously getting blacklisted or deleted from the apps, etcetera. I mean, I think it's one thing, obviously, if you're promoting, like, violence or hate against Yeah. A group. I don't support that. That's not, like, that's not free speech. That's that's not cool. But if you're saying something that your government is doing a policy that you don't agree with or you think that they're not telling the truth or you feel, you know, like this is wrong, like, you should be able to speak without the threat of jail or violence or a cyber attack or anything. You know? And, you know, in order to have a free world and a democracy, free speech is the number one thing that we must have. And so it doesn't mean if everyone's gonna talk nicely to each other and give each other little hearts every day. Like, people are gonna argue. They're gonna bicker. They're gonna be very passionate about their sides. They're gonna think that they're correct about their side, and then they're gonna be either, you know, wrong eventually and proven wrong, you know, but, like, people need to be able to have this public forum to express themselves safely, you know? And and it's it's what I see happening with a lot of the censorship industrial complex is very, very terrifying to me. Like, that's the first road to the first step in the road to authoritarianism and dictatorships and you know, places where people are miserable, you know? And so it's like Nostra definitely can solve for that because you're out there and it's decentralized.
That's what people don't get. You don't have a CEO of Nostra, Luckily. You know, where, okay, we've got to have an HR meeting and go through our thing here. It's like, no, it's a protocol. And so for people who don't understand what a protocol is versus a platform, a platform is like a Twitter, a Facebook, a place where it's a business, there's a central authority, all of the data is in a centralized, system, you know, that you don't have access to as a consumer and it's run by algorithms that you don't get to choose how they run and what you see. You get to be the the, the the product. You know, you're getting advertisements. And so Nostr doesn't I mean, you can put ads up there if you want to. No one's gonna stop you if you put an ad on Nostr, but you're not, like, subject to that kind of an algorithm. And then all of the relays are distributed all over the world. Like, you can start anybody can do an Oster relay just like anybody can run a Bitcoin node and have access to the entire Bitcoin network in a little drive.
Like and then you can see every transaction. So it's pretty, like I don't know. I've never seen anything like this before. And I mean, I'm I've been here over half a century and it's pretty like, oh, wow. This is for their kids, for the freedom fighters, you know, for the truth seekers in the world. How has your life changed since you've become a a nostril girl, a nostril advocate doing the nostril booth?
[00:34:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I think my life got so much more healthier because as you say, like, I I was using Instagram so much. It's like I was scrolling and scrolling. Because, I mean, they are clever, like, you know, these apps, they make you addicted. Oh, totally. Absolutely. Like, you know, they have so many smart ways that you have to always go back and you scroll and scroll and scroll. Derek Ross always calls this doomscrolling. So which is brilliant. And, yeah, since I'm since I'm on Nostr, I'm less active on, like, Instagram. People always, like, these days asking me if I'm okay with, like, you know, because I'm not, like, posting every day a story or do a new reel because I don't, like, I literally don't care anymore. Like, you know, it's like I don't need, the other people, like, to tell me, oh, yeah. This is, you know, they like your stories, your post, like, for what? Like like, you know, for for what? And Yeah. It's and I think Nostra is like is so great because the community right now is still so small.
You know? It's like and they are very helpful. Like, you literally can ask people there, oh, I need help with that and that and that. And they literally and generally reply to you, do that on Instagram. Do that on Twitter.
[00:35:38] Unknown:
I mean, you know, they don't care. I know. Well, and they don't see your post either on those other places. And I think that's the issue too that people don't understand. Like, if you have, whatever, a 100000 followers on, you know, Twitter or Instagram, like, your reach is this small Unless you're creating some type of weird piece of viral content if you're lucky and then your reach gets, you know, grown, but, like, you're not guaranteed to show up on your users' timelines. And so the way that I see how Nostra works, and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm new to everything because I think we all are, Hey is, you are if I post something and you follow me, like, let's say I have a 1000 followers, 10,000 followers, all 10,000 of those followers, my post is gonna be on their timeline.
Yeah. Is that correct? So it's not like this little tiny like, only a few people get it. Like, no, you get it. If you follow me or you, like, it's gonna show up somewhere. It might be in some long feed because a bunch of people are following you, you know, whatever. But it's
[00:36:41] Unknown:
not it's not game. On the protocol is, Anasa, the way I always explain it to people is, like, if you post something on Instagram, people don't see it on Twitter. But, like, if you post something on on NOSA, let's say, Primal, they they see it on another app demos because that's all linked together. Because you have your you have your private key and you can put it into different clients. So that's that's the whole,
[00:37:08] Unknown:
idea behind it. So But aside from the clients, you know, seeing it. Right? Because, like, obviously we have fountain. And so if I make a comment on fountain, it shows up in the primal, etcetera. And so you have one ID that goes across all these clients. But is it I just wanna make sure I'm I'm speaking correctly. If if I make a post and it's, you know, whatever, you follow me somewhere, you're gonna see it in your feed. Mhmm. Like, you're not it's not gonna be hidden from you because I didn't meet the algorithm requirements. Like, just the simple act of following me or you, like, we're gonna see each other's stuff if if we're followers of each other. And so Because you choose your own algorithm.
Exactly. And that's like, we don't get to do that in these other apps. So it's crazy to me. And I think, like so, you know, I've been doing, we did a podcasting virtual summit, like, a month or so ago, and we talk, of course, about value for value, how is Noster working versus RSS, what's podcasting 2.0. And so thinking in terms of, like, you know, like you had said earlier, people do those little hearts. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna go buy groceries with the hearts. I want you know, show me put your money where your mouth, put your stats where your love is. And so when people show you, you know, wow, I like that post or that article or that episode or that piece of art, you know, you're putting your money where your mouth is. And that's what makes it so different because you're not just getting these fake likes. And not that everyone's always gonna give you stats, but it's a much more powerful indicator of the quality of your content as a creative.
It's also an indicator of, like, wow, this is really my 1,000 true fan audience. Like, they keep supporting me and they want me to obviously succeed. And so I think it makes a whole different relationship building opportunity as creatives, as business people, as thought leaders, as activists, you know. It's such a cool tool, you know? And it's with the most sound money in the world. It's not like little, here's some Twitch game points tokens. No. Yeah. No. It's money. It's real money that you want. Yeah. And it's useful and you can take it out. It's in your own wallet. It's not like, oh, you can only spend your little tokens in my app. You know, it's so that's what so I don't think people really understand how how cool that is, you know, because I see a lot of little things where it's like, oh, look, you can get experience tokens. Who gives a shit? Like, I don't I don't want experience tokens. I want Bitcoin. Yeah. You literally can.
[00:39:41] Unknown:
We had the Nostra meetup, on Tuesday in Berlin, and the guy who was organizing the Nostra meetup got the bar we are always, having the meetup in on Noster. So they got, they set up an account on Primer so we actually could pay our drinks directly there. With like, and I was like, what's that? So it's like, there we go. And it's so easy. It's so easy. It's so easy. But that's the thing. Like, that's why, I thought Anostebooth, like, the idea come up came obviously from Prague and from Derek and all the guys who did that there is so amazing because people want to and need to have something in their hand. Like, if we talk about it and if my mom is listening to this right now, she wouldn't get it. It was like, What do you mean? But if you are actually next to the person and download one client and then the other and then you, like, you know, put your private key in demos and then in into fountain and everything is there. The whole then, you know, it start making click to the people and the people will understand. And then you send them some subs as well. And they they absolutely freak out.
[00:40:55] Unknown:
That's that's that's that's so much fun. Oh, what do you have there? I've got just primal. I just pulled up primal so people can see, like, what it looks like. Yeah. Because, you know, I I think it's important, like, you mean, you made such a good point. A lot of people get nervous, like, what's a what's an end pub? What's a private key? What's this? What's that? And it's just like, okay. It's basically sort of like your email, and it's basically like your password. Not the same, but it's similar. Right? So that's what those two things are. And so that's it. It's as simple as that. And so it's like you can explore just the way you do would with Twitter. And speaking of Derek hi, Derek. You know, you'll get notifications if people zap you, you know,
[00:41:36] Unknown:
and send you money. And it can be anonymous as well because, like, it's it's your n pub is not your email. It's like basically your username. You can be anybody. Thank you. Oh, hi. Hi. Who's that? Was that gorgeous? Hey, baby. And you're like and your, private key is basically, your password. The only thing what is very important to know is please do not use your private key because then you're lost. Because you can't change it. And, yeah. Nobody will like, reset it for you because that's impossible.
[00:42:15] Unknown:
Yep. Just like Bitcoin. Like don't there's no customer service that's gonna, you know if you're doing self custody and that you're doing it the right way and you're not on an exchange, you're I mean, that's not self custody, obviously, if you're on exchange. You're your bank, you know, and banks need to be in charge of their own security, their SecOps. And so this is just an example for anybody watching who doesn't know how, Nostra works. Again, it's very similar. You know, there's different clients, like you said. There's blogs. There's all sorts of different, you know, communities out there. There's different things that people can build on top of the Nostra protocol. But what's really cool down here, okay, is you can here's, Jeff just did a really cool build, and a lot of these builders don't get paid. They're all open source builders. Some of them get some grants from, like, open sats or whatnot.
But a lot of these builders have been just doing this because they love it, and it's so powerful. But, like, the community is like, yay, dude. I love you. And you can zap somebody. Like, I just zapped him a 111 sats. So now I just say confirm. Yay. I confirm. It's only 8¢. It's nothing. I can change the dollar or the, you know, sats amount if I want. I don't know why it's not going. There you go. But you see you can see your social graph of who is sending money. Like, O'Dell just gave him 5555. You know? So it's really cool instead of just, here's a bunch of hearts. You know? And so this, I think, is such a cool tool, and I think it's such a way for everybody who cares about free, uncensorable speech to start getting your toes wet. It's super duper easy to go get an account. If you need help, obviously, I bet, Tanya, you would be helpful.
And if people can DM you somewhere, they can DM me too. I'm not the best Nostra person, but I'm learning as we go.
[00:44:09] Unknown:
And that's why I say, I'm also like not the I'm not a tech person. I'm not a developer. I mean, I've never heard of Nostril, like, 3 months ago. But I think it's so important to give new people, like, the confidence. Like, yes, you can do something. Yes, you can support this community. And the community for me has been so supportive. I mean, I'm on your podcast. This is like I mean, you have superstars here. Like, you know, I don't like You're a superstar. Are you kidding me? I was like, this is just this is an honor, like, you know? And Yeah.
[00:44:44] Unknown:
Who? Who was that? How's Angel? I forgot to move her. Typically, I I'm my brain is tired. I've been waking up at 3:30 every morning. You typically don't have the dog down here with me, but she's here. But it it's so cool, though. That and I think that's what's so neat about this this community too, whether it's Bitcoin community or Bitcoin plus Nostra or Nostra, whatever. Everybody it's the the game theory is real. When when, you know, we have network effect, when we have everybody winning, it's truly everybody's winning. It's not a zero sum game like a lot of other, industries out there. You know? We want everybody on Nostra. We want everybody understanding and utilizing Bitcoin and, you know, freedom technologies. These two things are freedom technologies. And so if we wish to have a free world that's fairer, the technology is one of the ways that we, can move forward. We have inner technologies, obviously, of meditation and self awareness and creativity and writing and journaling and whatnot, but there's also these other beautiful tools, you know, that are also linking us up to the future that we wish to create, you know? And so, it's such a, like, welcoming space, you know, like you said.
[00:45:59] Unknown:
And I, for the first time in many years, have a good feeling about the future again. You know? No, it's true. Because in this, like, feared world it's like, it's all the same bullshit every day, you know. It's like I don't see myself there and maybe I'm now in this Nostrand Bitcoin bubble because I you know, but that's okay because I feel so welcome there. I feel I feel good there. Everybody is kind and I can be my true self, you know? And it's like this South American tour, we are doing so many, like, this entire tour is community funded.
Like, can you imagine? It's like, there is no big company who's like, yes, we fund you that. No. It's like everybody chipped in and that has been a lot of work. I'm not gonna lie. It's like and like, I don't know, like, next week, it let it con it's around the corner and Is this where people are making donations on Geyser Fund?
[00:47:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. You guys who's who if you're not watching, you can go to geyser.fund, forward slash project, the Nostra Booth Initiative, and you can make donations in Bitcoin, you know, to to help this Nostra Booth go. And it's like literally every dollar is helping. Right? So, and,
[00:47:22] Unknown:
yeah. So everybody has been so generous. And then people who have no money they are just like offering like in volunteering. Like, you know, because these countries are like very poor countries like, Cantina for example, but they have an amazing Nostra community down there. It's like, look, we can't we don't have money but we have people. We have a community house. Let's do everything together. I was like, this is just brilliant. So we can co work there and then all these kind of like amazing creators like Max Demarco is coming as well. Yeah, he does. So it's like, he's joining for the whole 3, conferences as well
[00:48:02] Unknown:
with his colleague and yeah. So I was like, this is such a good travel squad. So I was like It is. Well, and you made a good point. A lot of people think like, oh, well, I don't have any money to contribute. Well, it's like you have time, treasure, and talent. Right? I hear that a lot. Adam Curry says that. A lot of my marketing instructors talk about that. And it's like we all have something to offer the world. And it doesn't mean we need to go, like, oh my god. I have to volunteer 20 hours. It's like tiny little things. Just repost stuff, you know, or invite your other friends who might be interested or whatever you can do to continue to move the needle forward on this hopeful future for everybody. And I think a lot of people, like you just said, like, you finally are starting to feel positive and hopeful about the future because of your experience in this community, you know, and with this technology.
[00:48:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Because, like, for me, like, a couple of years ago, and I'm very honest, I never wanted to have kids. Literally, I was like, in this world, I don't wanna have kids. Yeah. I don't see a future. And now I'm just like wow, I would love to have kids. I would love to have kids if this is like, you know, if this is a community out there who support each other. Like who was that? The other day on Nostra somebody told I was just reading that the mom has to go to the hospital and the dad is alone at home but the whole community came. The neighbors brought the kids to school, made them lunchbox. I was like, oh my god this is amazing.
I love that. Like, you know, this is
[00:49:35] Unknown:
great. So and, yeah. Well, and I it's interesting, you know, I think because you were about the same age as me when I I mean, I met my ex husband when I was 32, and I was I almost got fixed in my twenties because it was just like first of all, I don't think I would be the best mom because I'm kind of screwed up and I had a messed up life. And, you know, I don't know. It just I never really had a great role model of what a good family was. And I love my family very much, but they're they're messed up, you know? And I was just like, well, maybe I'm just gonna be the cool DJ auntie chick who flies around and I get to be cool. And, and I met my ex husband and, you know, I got to meet his family and the whole thing. And it was like, all right. Maybe I've been looking at it as all wrong because I just didn't have the community around me to inspire me to wanna have something different because I didn't know it would be possible for me, you know? And so, of course, being a mom has been the best decision of my whole life, the hardest thing on earth.
Nothing is harder than being a mother. Nothing. Nothing. I don't care. No. I bet. I bet. It's the hardest thing and it's the best thing. There's nothing better. And so I I highly recommend, you know, with the right person that is on the same page as you, you know, anyone listening, like, it's the best thing ever. It's hard, but it's worth it. Like, bringing life into the world is very it's part of our mission as humans is to procreate, you know, and make the world better with our children. And hopefully, we keep upcycling. You know, it's like, okay.
Note to self, don't do all the stupid shit I did, but they're gonna just like we do. Like coming back, you know, the so we've got Bitcoin for Families Virtual Summit going on in December 7th. And so we've got free market kids, Daniel Prince with Once Bitten. We're gonna have Shamari. The Bitcoin Kids Club is gonna be there. We're gonna have a whole bunch of other companies that we're trying to help support what they're doing with Bitcoin education for children. You know, how do you raise a Bitcoin family, right? And so what are all the cool things that people can do for their children to help them, you know, be financially literate with, you know, finance 2.0, right, which is the Bitcoin world. And, you know, I just said that and it came out of the blue. I'm sure someone else said it. So anyways, it's like, how are we raising financially literate families, you know? And we think about, in El Salvador, you know, you guys that you're gonna be there, they're gonna be having, like, the the, the Ninos area, you know, the kids area. And so Shala and, Kiki and everybody are putting that together, which is gonna be fabulous. And so the more that we keep getting the younger generation involved in Freedom Technologies, you know, so that and then we don't have to have them get, you know, indoctrinated into the lies, you know, and you don't have to unlearn the things. It's harder to unlearn, you know, as an adult. And so it's so important for the young people to have the opportunities to connect and be together and learn together, you know? And so I think it's really great.
I wanna ask you, I wanna come back to your book because we titled this whole episode, Is It Love or Self Abuse? And I wanna come back to this. And the reason why is, you know, your book is so powerful. It really is. And it's really you guys have to get this book, The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Fucked. And it's like it it I told you, it was really emotional for me at certain points. I was like, oh, I can't read any more of this. I gotta go meditate. Because it was like reading looking in the mirror a little bit, you know? Imagine my mom reading it. Right? Oh my gosh. I know. How how did she respond to this?
[00:53:27] Unknown:
Well, I escaped for a week and then I called her at one point and said, have you read it? She said, yeah, I did. And I was like, can I still come home? And she said, of course, you can, Tanya. Always. Oh, okay. But, yeah, it was Yeah. Because there were some, like, things in it, like, especially the last chapter, I actually didn't know.
[00:53:51] Unknown:
I gotta pause for a second here. That was a really hard one to read. Like
[00:54:01] Unknown:
yeah. It was also hard to write.
[00:54:06] Unknown:
And I bet it was hard to live.
[00:54:10] Unknown:
So It was. Yeah. It was.
[00:54:15] Unknown:
And how did you so so the whole thing, the whole the whole ending, like all of the not just the one scene, but, you know, when we look at the paths that we're on, you know, we were talking about this before I hit record, you know, we go through life a lot of times fooling ourselves. We're gaslighting ourselves. We're abandoning our truth. A lot of times, we don't even know what it is. And like you said, you went to the monastery and the monks and you started asking yourself, like, what is my truth? Why am I here? Who am I? You know, all the important questions. You know, but it's like, did you feel in your gut as this whole experience was happening over, you know, the course of this time period in London, did you feel in your gut as things started to shift for you? And like, did you know, like, this is off? Like, I'm with this you know, I'm waiting for this one person to keep wanting me back, and and he's not. You know? And and then you made this giant decision or, you know, the character did. I know this is fiction, but not fiction.
To drop what you were doing and be with them, and then something crazy happened. And so I don't wanna spoil the story, but, like, at what point did you did you know in your gut or in your body somehow that, like, you're doing something and it's it's you're you're cheating on yourself? You're cheating on your truth?
[00:55:45] Unknown:
Yeah. The gut, like, was telling me that the whole time,
[00:55:50] Unknown:
But I just didn't telling you? I just the reason I'm asking you this is for people who are listening. And I always wanna know, how does one know the truth that our body and our intuition and our soul and our heart is speaking, but we mask it. You know? Like, what are the signals of truth that come through to you looking back at it now?
[00:56:14] Unknown:
It's it's super difficult because it's just something internally you cannot numb. Even if you really really try and your your brain is always like, no no. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. No. Your like your body, your soul, your. It just knows. Right? And even if you keep telling yourself this person is good for you, this job is great, is is is not, because you're just fooling yourself. You're not honest to yourself. Because for me, back then, I really really wanted to have my happy end. Of course. I wanted it so much. And that's why I was just lying to myself, you know, because I was like, Oh my God. I've done now all the work. I'm now fixed, you know. I did it.
I really, really, really wanted it.
[00:57:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Did you think in your mind, you know and again, you guys have to go read the story. Did you think in your mind, like, it's because karmically you did all this work, now it's gonna work? Yeah. Like, you were ready and it it it was like, okay, it's time. And and
[00:57:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I thought I'm I will I'm fine now and, I'm ready, like, you know, to to settle down, to to have a family, to have a normal relationship and but I was not. I was clearly not. And something protected me, like, you know, for something for something better. And like you know, even even after that I've I'm fooling myself. Like you know, I've been I've fooled myself the last couple like within the last 5 years as well. So there came new people in my life which clearly were very very unhealthy. Very toxic and I was just like, no this could be okay. But then you know, all these red flags you try to ignore and I always say if I have to defend someone's behaviour towards my family and friends which I did.
Yeah. That's not a good sign. Yeah. And I'm looking back. I'm grateful that this wasn't working out. Because otherwise I wouldn't be here now. And I would maybe have a family and will be very unhappy and miserable. And I don't know. I would get sick and you don't know. I mean, you can't force something. And, I I think if something is meant to be, yeah, it's it's meant to be, and I have to be just a little bit more patient.
[00:59:13] Unknown:
Yeah. And trust and have that faith, you know, in God, spirit, universe, whatever people have, you know, faith in. I I think, you know, when I was reading the end, again, I was just like, woah. The word test just kept coming up for me. Like, this is a test of the emergency love system, you know? And every time, you know, it's like you think about university or school or anything, it's like you study something, you go to lab, you experiment with it, you take a test, and then it's like, okay, how are you gonna compound that on your life journey, on your learning journey? Well, you're gonna keep getting tested again and again and again to validate, did you truly get the lesson?
Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so it's like when and I know from a mindset perspective, obviously, right, we can look at things and just be like, oh my god, Mister wrong keeps showing up or missus wrong keeps showing up. And, you know, it's just like, yay. Good for you. Because that means you're getting presented with the opportunity to swipe left quickly if you've gotten the lesson. You know? But otherwise, you're gonna have to keep going back and repeating and repeating and repeating so that you can get into a place of, you know, truth and integrity with yourself. And so, same thing. I've been there, done that, keep doing it. I get in and I'm like, Oh, it's okay if I cut this corner and compromise a little over here, and it'll be okay because this stuff's really good. You know? And it's like, no. There's like a giant bloodied red flag saying, get away.
You know? This is dangerous. And but I'm like, but it's it's a blood it's not that bad. You know? And it's like our mind wants to have a heart connection with a special person, and we wanna be special. You know? Like, we wanna have that ride or die person. That's a normal human behavior and and desire. There's nothing abnormal about it. It's just we have these learned mechanisms where it's like we compromise, you know, and we overcompromise and that leads to our demise eventually. You know? And so it's like, as you've been going through this gauntlet of tests in these last 5 or 6 years, you know, have you been able to identify things quicker and let them go quicker? Or are you still following into things and being in the in the Velcro of that situation for a while?
[01:01:47] Unknown:
I have to say, I say no, like, easier. And for me it's like, I'm not chasing anymore. Like, you know, I I don't, you know, I wanna attract and that that's like and that's so important. It's like, you know because I'm right now ex like learning a lot about,
[01:02:10] Unknown:
like, feminine and masculine energy as well. Yeah. Because I was like many many years just in my masculine energy. Totally. To be in the industry that you were in, it's full on masculine. Full on and You killed. You eat, you know, you eat what you kill. That's it. And, you know Even
[01:02:29] Unknown:
to admit, like, oh, I would like to be in this feminine energy. I would like to be this flower, you know, to flourish and you know, that was even to admit that that's that was a hell of a journey. It's like, you know, and the last 2 years I would say I'm yeah. I'm more playful. Like, you know, I do girly stuff and that's absolutely fine. And, you know, and, like, when sometimes people ask me oh what what do you wanna, like, do or wanna be in life? And right now I say: I wanna be a mom. Yeah. And like and this is so funny and this is what I love about the community, the bitcoin community. Someone asked me the other day Oh, what do you wanna do? What do you wanna be? And I was like Oh, I would like to be a mom.
And he was like This is actually very very nice to hear. Yeah. And it was like Oh wow. Somebody is literally like, you know, valuing me and this is absolutely lovely and beautiful. When I say that to my friends here, I was like, seriously? You've been manager? You wanna be a mom? I was like, oh, wow. You know? Then I stop the conversation straight away. Because you shouldn't be feel guilty, like, to say something like that. Being like, you know being a mom I think is the hardest job in life. It is. And it's the most noble job in life. And it's myself I'm part of my mother. I mean, I don't know how she's surviving that for the last 33 years. Right? So
[01:04:04] Unknown:
It's it's incredible. Well, I think too, Tanya, like, you've obviously taken, you know, a lot of opportunities in your twenties to go experience the the work world and know what it's like to make money and know what it's like to be in this this zone. So the way that I perceive you, and tell me if I'm wrong, is you've got a foundational skill set of the ability to land on your feet if something does go wrong, if you decide, I'm gonna be a mom and I'm gonna get married and do this whole thing. And then for some reason, God forbid, you have to go back and take care of, like, the finances and take care of, like, being in the workforce versus just coming straight out of, you know, out of high school and then getting pregnant and then having no no ability to support yourself.
You know? And I think that's an interesting dilemma that younger women face. You know? Because it's like we want the feminine energy to be nourished and we want families to flourish, but we also, like we want women to be able to take care of themselves if there's not a capable man or, God forbid, they die or whatever happens, you know, or there's abuse. You know? And so it's very important that there's a harmony within the woman, you know, to be able to go out and do that. But if if if you want the opportunity to be home and be a mom and stay at home with your children and raise your family, then that's, I think, the most important goal on Earth, you know? And I was blessed to get to do that, you know? Now that my kids are old enough, so I'm like, Okay, I get to go back out and kind of reinvent all the skills that I've had. I mean, I've started companies, but it was like my ex husband was way better at running stuff than me. I'm more like, hey, let's do this. It'll be great. And, you know, like, I'm I'm the visionary idea girl and and there's a lot of room that people need that. But do you feel like, do you feel like you're gonna find your mister Bitcoin burrito man in in the community? That's what I call that's what I call the the my my man who is out there somewhere.
And, yeah.
[01:06:13] Unknown:
Well, I think if I don't find it in the Bitcoin community, then I'm lost.
[01:06:18] Unknown:
I know. Like, I can't date a normie.
[01:06:21] Unknown:
No. No. It's like Forget it.
[01:06:23] Unknown:
Yeah. No. They don't get it. Like, they don't understand. You know? And God bless you. Anyone who's listening, if you're a normie, you're not gonna be forever. But, it's like But it's difficult to because, like, once it's like you're you get unplugged from this matrix fiat system. Yeah. And then you go back in and you try to have intimacy with somebody who doesn't get you're just like They just yeah. No. No. Fuck no. No. And no. It's just you know? Because we're mission driven people. You know? And once we get on this, like, journey even more deeply, you're just like, oh my gosh. I can't, you know. I wanna help people, but I can't be intimate with somebody and build a life with somebody who's light years behind,
[01:07:07] Unknown:
you know, the Yeah. Thing and doesn't get I don't know. That's just it's such it's a total turn off. No. It is. It is. And, no, it has to be, like, you have to be on the same level, like, you know, especially on the values you Big time. Is so important. Family goals and I can't fool myself. Like, you know, I'm not like, like, you know, I mean I'm in Berlin. It's like the worst
[01:07:33] Unknown:
city to actually look for a life partner. It's horrible. Are there any good cities? Because every woman I talk to who's younger and single and who would love to have a family, they're like, my city sucks. So I'm just curious for all of my lady friends out there who are on a mission to be moms, where are the men who want to be? I don't know.
[01:07:54] Unknown:
Life partners. I'm just curious. I don't know. It's like I have no idea but is I think if it's like if it's happening if it's happening, And I really right now, I really believe that for the first time. So I'm and like for me is if my partner, I don't know, lives in South America, hell, I move there. I mean, what do I have to lose? You know, I take my parents with me. That's fine. Awesome.
[01:08:20] Unknown:
I know. Well, and that's what's neat, you know, about this world is we can go live in all these different places and work remotely. And Yeah. You know, we're all I always considered even when I was young, I'm like, everyone's an entrepreneur. Even if you have a w two. You know, we have w twos in the states, like, if you have a salary, you know, at a company. Because you're selling your services for exchange of money. You know? And so whether it's to a company or to individual clients or whatever. So it's like, when you can develop an entrepreneurial mindset, you can do anything on earth. Yeah. Anything, anywhere, you know.
Your mind is the only limit that you have, you know. And so, so I think that's super cool. Well, let's, I wanna wrap up because we're a little over the hour. And thank you so much. And I'm just I I again, coming back to is it love or is it self abuse? You know? And it's like sometimes I think people, like you said, when the feelings get too big, sometimes we wanna numb out. You know? And we don't wanna be present. We wanna just keep chugging along and avoid sitting with the discomfort of the truth. And so, unfortunately, it does lead to substances sometimes.
And in this book I'm writing called Snap Goes Mommy, about my giant shit show of explosion and, you know, I call them the 5 d's. It's diamonds, drugs, digital, donuts, and dicks. And so I know. I got I I I can't stop. They come out of me all the time. And thanks, God. Glory to you. But, yeah, I just feel like we're we have all these coping mechanisms that we're trying to fill up this soul hole, you know? And the soul hole is the connection with God, the connection with each other, you know, and the connection with our true self. And so when we're in this fake operating system, those things mask that discomfort, you know? And so it can look like self abuse, but it's really it's medicate you were just self medicating.
You know? We're seeking relief from from what that inner gut feeling is the same, like what you were talking about when you you just knew. You just you know. You know? And it creates anxiety. It creates tension. It creates all of these things in our health. And so, you know, for anybody listening, like, what would you say, what would you say to somebody listening right now who might be in a situation that you you were found yourself in, where you felt like you weren't living your truth and you were starting to medicate too much in a way that was compromising your health?
[01:11:07] Unknown:
Like, in terms of, like, a relationship
[01:11:10] Unknown:
or Anything. Could be a job. Could be a relationship. It could be anything that you're, you know, that is is you're on you know that you're not living your truth somehow and you're medicating in any of those 5 Ds.
[01:11:24] Unknown:
I mean, I was always thinking, if I leave that situation, job, relationship, whatever, what is the worst case? What would happen? Like, literally, what is the worst case? And if you break that down it's actually not bad because nobody's gonna die. Like you always have a network like your family, your friends, who- like- or someone or even it's your dog, your cat, I don't know who are there for you. Yeah. And that is like right now when there's something I always ask myself like what's the worst thing? What's gonna happen? Okay. I could be broke. I could not have have any money. Okay. Well, I will not sleep on the street so probably somebody else is helping me out but you will find a solution. If you really really really want something you will find a solution. I mean, I wrote an entire book. I know. Like It's so good. I mean, like, I'm not I'm not a I'm not a writer. Like, you know, I wasn't writing at all. Like, I don't have a gift. Like, you know, so. Yes, you do.
[01:12:40] Unknown:
Please don't do that. Yes, you do. Own your gift. Own it, sister. High five yourself. You have a gift. This is a gift. But I'm not JK Rowling, right? You know, like Comparison it is not. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Valerie.
[01:12:55] Unknown:
Thank you, Valerie. Yeah. If you want something, then it's the very thing. So and yeah. And if you cannot look yourself in the mirror anymore because something feels off. Yeah. Change something. Yeah. It's important.
[01:13:09] Unknown:
I love I love that piece of advice about what's the worst thing that can happen, you know. And and, Tim Ferris talks about doing, you know, a fear board. A lot of us do vision boards. I love vision boards, but it's like, what's your fear board? You know, what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of growing old? Most of it, it's always about growing old and dying alone with nobody. It always if you keep going down why and why and why and why, it's always gonna be dying in the street gutter with little chipmunks eating your eyeballs out, and you're all alone. Nobody knew you were there. Wow.
That's the biggest fear of every human being. You know? It's being all alone and dying alone that nobody even knows that you're suffering. You know? And and it you know, I've been there, done that, felt like nobody would care if I left Earth and that they would actually be better off without me and all my nonsense and all my emotions and all my pain and trauma. And it's untrue, you know? And like you said, there's always somebody, including you, who can help you move forward and not have to be in that place of suffering and silence, You know? But because our egos are there and we're strong, powerful people, you were a manager, you were up in this, you know, elite real estate, you're the one who helps other people. So, oh, gosh, if I have to raise my hand and ask for help, what must be wrong with me? It's like you're called being a human. And so you know what I mean? Like, nobody is immune from being a human. You know? Nobody. You know? And everybody has different thresholds and tolerances for how much, how much they can take, you know, in any area of life. And a lot of times, it all happens all at once. You know, it's just kind of how the dominoes fall. And so there's no shame in asking for help, you know? And so those three words will save your life for sure. You know? Yeah. Definitely. It's super duper important. And are you going to write another book? And I wanna share I wanna show the cover super quick. Like, remember when we first met? Oh, my gosh. That was so that was insane.
[01:15:18] Unknown:
Yeah. It was insane. Tell everybody if you remember because I Yeah. I remember like when we had our first conversation, I think that was like 6 or 8 weeks ago. So quite a long time ago. I was showing you my book cover because I was very proud I wrote the book and then you were like, Oh my god. I was like, What? And you were just like jumping out of the room. Like, She's gone. Where'd she go? Where'd she go? And then you came back with that card. It was like, see that? There's a snake. It's the serpent card. Yeah. The serpent card. It's like, I knew today
[01:15:57] Unknown:
I will see it somewhere, and now I see your book cover. And there was like yeah. It was crazy. And I wore my snake pants, and I have, like, a pair of snake yoga pants. And so I was like, I'm just gonna keep looking, you know, and that happens. Like, things come in threes for some reason. Like and it's just like, woah. What does snake energy mean? And so tell people why you chose a snake for the book cover. Like, all wrapped wrapped around you and the, you know, the character.
[01:16:23] Unknown:
Yeah. So because I was a kind of a snake and if if if you can hold it up a little bit, I was just like like, you can see it was like it's around my throat, it's around my arms. I'm I'm like in a kind of cage, you know. She's, like, around me. I cannot, like, you know, let let her go. So, yeah. I'm I'm in prison, kind of.
[01:16:52] Unknown:
Interesting. And so so because they think of, like, a cobra. Right? If it wraps itself around you, it could squeeze you and kill you. And then you also think about a snake. A couple more symbolisms for snakes is obviously shedding its skin, You know? And that's a very powerful thing because what you went through, you were shedding your old skin. Right? And also, I think of, you know, the Kundalini, the snake energy, the serpent energy that goes up through our, our chakras and our body. And so I think it's really it's just amazing that you chose that and then that happened that day. I mean, I just think It was really cool. Like, I don't know how and why. Like, I have all these different cards. I love cards. I love art. I love words.
But they show up, and they they they have meanings. And so it's like, okay. I'm supposed to listen, and it's not woo woo. It's just tuning into like, I was watching this thing about quantum physics and light the other day, and, you know, I like watching stuff. I'm not that smart on it, but I like it because I'm like, I know some of it sticks. But but we think about the spectrum of light. Right? And we only see literally, like, this much is visible light that the human eyes can actually see, but it doesn't mean that that entire spectrum isn't present all the time. You know what I mean? And so if you have the right instruments, you can tune into the different types of lights and the different frequencies. And so I think with, you know, spiritual practices and different ways of being in these different dimensions of light, it's like just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. And so I feel like sometimes we're getting opportunities of communication and divinity through music, through art, through language, through our bodies, through this, you know, energy field, the soup, the oneness. And so I wouldn't ever discount those things.
Just in closing up, what's one spiritual practice that you have that you could share with people that you use to, whether it's spiritual practice or power practice, meditation, anything? Do you obviously write? What what can you tell people that would be helpful for them?
[01:19:04] Unknown:
Like, I start my day very slowly. So I try to, like, the first, like, hour not to, like, go on my phone. Cool. And literally every morning at least do a meditation for 10 minutes. To just because, like, I'm busy and, like, I'm also sometimes very stressed. And and and if I don't like, yesterday, for example, I needed yoga and I knew I can't practice by myself because I'm so woo woo woo. So I booked myself into a class. So because then I can't leave. And it was a yin yoga so it's even like, Holy shit! You cannot leave! So, yeah. So I do, yeah, I do a lot of yoga and, meditation and breath work. I love breath work so much. It's like It's like psychedelic sometimes. It can get you in different zones for sure. Exactly. It's like, yeah.
That's what I do. But I think everybody has to like find out their own tools. Like, you know. And like a lot of people are always saying, Oh, I can't meditate. Well, sure. Me neither. I mean, thoughts are always coming up. My to do list is always coming up. It's like, Of course, I can't meditate. It's like, Who can? Like, who is sitting down there? It was like,
[01:20:28] Unknown:
now, I'm so zen. It was like, yeah, it's always challenging. It is challenging. I know. And I think people have this illusion with meditation that it's supposed to be like, you empty your mind. No, you don't. That's impossible. There's no such thing as an empty mind. It's taking out it's changing your perspective and being an observer instead of attached in the mind. And so that's, I think, something that's an interesting realization when you're doing practices. And like you said, like some people walking meditation is very powerful versus sitting meditation or chanting is more effective. And so you have to be like, I call it being a love hacker.
Like, how do you hack all your best version of yourself? You have to be an experimenter and try stuff. And, yeah, this is cool. Great. I'll go deeper. This doesn't fit. This feels stupid. And don't. Keep doing it. There's no right or wrong way to keep growing yourself as an individual. So I think it's really powerful. Well, okay. So where everybody can find you, Tanya, obviously, you're gonna be in all these places. You're gonna have El Salvador, Argentina, and Brazil.
[01:21:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And we'll be there. So it's gonna be a back to back tour, like, kicking off on Sunday. I'm so excited to escape Berlin's winter. And I'm actually not going back until mid January. So I was like, woah.
[01:21:53] Unknown:
Oh, dude. I'm so happy for you. I wanna come visit somewhere warm with the ocean and the breeze. Okay. So you're gonna be doing the Nostra booth. Right? So everybody who's listening, watching, you guys can go check out Nostra booth at geyser.fund, project and the nosterbooth initiative. You can follow Tanya on x. I'm gonna put everything on the show notes, guys, too. And you can follow Tanya on Noster, at tanya, t a n j a. Anything else? Last words for everybody? Oh, and then just you guys, if you wanna submit a story, obviously, you know, Tanya's ability to write, I think it was very cathartic for you, obviously very healing. A lot of people have a lot of stories to tell about their breakdowns, you know, but they don't wanna put their name on it and they wanna do it anonymously, which is totally fine and safe. And so I'm creating a collection of stories that people wanna submit their before and after, what happened, did they, you know, go through a divorce, did they go to rehab, did they lose their business, did they, you know, anything, you know, that involves breaking and a breakdown. And so, this is something super important. The idea is kind of like chicken soup for the soul. And so, I want people, whoever wants to contribute, when we publish these things, we're going to use splits and lightning splits and noster and Bitcoin and pay people that way so we can also orange peel new people and then get people in perpetuity getting, you know, zaps and splits and anything that comes from the sale. So this is going to be a really cool project. So if you guys have something you want to contribute, it'll be ongoing so you can contribute 20 stories.
This will be probably a lifelong project that I continue to nurture. And yeah. So you guys can go to djvaleriebeloved.comforward/snap and submit your story today. Alright, Tanya. Well, thank you so much and I look forward to meeting you one day in person. I'm really excited. And thank you, Alex, for introducing us. Like, that's so nice. He's definitely been a great connector and such a supporter of Definitely. Of people coming together and I really, really value him. We don't agree on everything philosophically, but that's okay. Like, you don't have to, you know.
[01:24:08] Unknown:
I mean, he connected us, right? Now he's I know. And it's just
[01:24:13] Unknown:
I think this is what, you know, and I made a post today because I found out today somebody, a friend of mine, his daughter's in rehab and, you know, she's trying to exit the planet, you know? And I think of all the division that's going on right now, especially in, you know, the United States with all the politics and all the bullshit. And it's just like, you guys, this stuff is temporary. All the politics stuff is temporary. It's nonsense. And so your family, your loved ones, the people that you care about, like, that's where your laser beam focus needs to be. All this other stuff is is just it's no it's noise and it's negative. You know? And it's like, yeah, go out and do some change and work for freedom, but like, don't lose your family and your relationships over all the bullshit, you know? And so I just really want people to stay focused on keeping their vibrations very, very high and staying healthy and getting sunshine and focusing on the gratitude for the relationships that we have in our lives, you know. They're priceless, you know.
That's true. Doctor. So God bless everybody and thank you so much, Tanya. You guys seriously have to go get this book. It is extraordinary, the extraordinary between drugged and fucked. So go get it, read it, you'll love it. And I'm going to go leave a review on Amazon now. Yes, please. It's true. You have to leave reviews for authors. It helps a lot. It's super important. So I'm gonna go do that. And, and again, thanks, Tanya. And I'm gonna have everything in the show notes. And again, you're the best and congrats for turning your life around. I know it wasn't easy and it's it's always a lifelong journey. So thanks. Thank you, Mylionov. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Alright, everybody. Peace, love and warm aloha. Until next time. We'll see you.
Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Welcome. I have someone here with me who, has been on quite a a wild ride. She is a soul surfer riding the waves of the ups and down of being a successful young woman who has chosen to write an incredible book. I have it right here. It's called The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Welcome, Tanya Bechtel. See? Did I get it? Yeah. Hi, sweetie. How are you? Welcome so much. I'm so happy you're here. Thank you for having me. Well done pronouncing my name. I know it's very difficult. It's like We practiced it a little. So
[00:01:12] Unknown:
I'm good. I'm good. I'm excited. I'm flying on Sunday to, Buenos Aires. So
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Amazing.
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Packing.
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What are you doing in Buenos Aires?
[00:01:24] Unknown:
Having fun. No. I'm kidding. Hopefully, a little bit fun as well. No. I'm travelling there, because I will be at Labitconf and, we're gonna do a nosto booth at the conference. So along with a lot a lot of few other Nostra businesses. So we have a South American tour and hopping from,
[00:01:46] Unknown:
yeah, city to city. So that's gonna be fun. Alright. That's gonna be exciting. We'll get in we'll go into Nostra booth in a in a minute. I just threw that up the screen for 2 seconds. But, okay, let's talk about you, Tanya. Like, who are you and, you know, what are people gonna learn by the end of this interview with you about your life and your book and, obviously, the Nostra Booth and all the other great stuff that's going on?
[00:02:08] Unknown:
Well, yeah. I'm Tanya. I'm I'm an author. As you said, I wrote a book. I'm these days an event manager, so organizing a lot of things. Yeah. And, currently living in Berlin. So this is this is Berlin, Germany, I have to say. Not Salvador. So I know. People are asking that. And, yeah. Born and raised here, grew up here. And then I went to London, like, a couple of years ago because I wanna, like, learn the language and wanna be successful and, you know, these kind of dreams you have. And, yeah. So And then, yeah. London happened. Life happened. And suddenly you're in the middle of, yeah, your thirties and try to figure out what life is about. Right?
[00:03:01] Unknown:
Totally. Well, so let's talk about this book you wrote. So, this book I was telling you before we hit go live that this book really, it really touched me in a way. It triggered me quite, you know, honestly, because it brought up a lot of things about myself, as a young woman and struggling with different things and really feeling, like, how to move forward, the rat race, all the things that we think we're supposed to be doing and the masks that we wear, you know, and, these personas that we have to adopt, you know, in order to fit in, you know, to this corporate world, into this rat race, into the money scene, into this perception of of what success looks like. And so as a young person, you know, whoever might be listening, I think a lot of us, we struggle with this, you know? And so I would love for you to tell, about the story, if you would mind, you know, as much as you want. It's very, very, very powerful. Like, it my body got a lot of different reactions literally when I was reading it, and I'd be like, okay, take some breaths, Val. Do some reading. Like, it was really emotional.
So it's really, really well written, and it's beautiful. So I'd love for you to tell everybody a little bit more about, like, the premise of the story and, you know, how how it came to be.
[00:04:20] Unknown:
Thank you. Yeah. Well, it actually took me 4 years until I hold that book in my hands. Wow. Published, the German edition 2 years ago. But then, like, a lot of people were asking, okay, where, like, you know, are you still there?
[00:04:40] Unknown:
I'm here. Oh, yeah. I was like, I cannot see you. I was like, what's happening? You're like, what happened? I just moved so that you can have full screen.
[00:04:48] Unknown:
No. Stay there. Like, so confusing.
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Do do you want me here? Do you feel more? Yes.
[00:04:56] Unknown:
I won't leave you, Tanya. I promise. Yeah. So it took me actually 4 years until I hold the English edition in my hands, and, that has been a wild journey because I'm not a writer. You know? I I I mean, I wasn't, like, good in English in school, so I I have Latin. So but, you know, I thought sometimes it's important to write something down, and not just for yourself, for all the other people who might have not the opportunity to do so. To, speak out loud or, to publish something. And that's why why I put my heart and my soul into that. So and to everybody who has ever published a book book, I mean, I'm a self publisher.
I do not have a published house, so it's actually a lot of money you invest. So, yeah, I invest like €15,000. Wow. That's a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money.
[00:06:07] Unknown:
Oh my gosh. That's incredible.
[00:06:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Let's hear, like, what I I I took a loan for that because it's it was so important for me and I still have to pay it back.
[00:06:18] Unknown:
Well, we'll get people to buy copies of this book. We'll I'll put links in the show notes and everything. You guys can get it on Amazon. That's where I got it. Or, I mean, unless you wanted people to get it somewhere else, we'll tell them.
[00:06:28] Unknown:
Well, it's on demand now. So Amazon, that's a good thing. Like, Amazon is printing when somebody is buying it. But, yeah, I learned from the mistakes from my German edition where I just, like, ordered 1,000 books and then put it. Oh, shit. I know. That's what I was wondering. I'm like, because print on demand, like KDP is really powerful. So,
[00:06:47] Unknown:
you can talk about that. I did that. So Yeah. I know. Well, we don't know what we don't know until we know it. I can actually try it. Try it out. So,
[00:06:56] Unknown:
a couple of, books are still in my parents' basement, so so it's like a German edition for them. But yeah. So I was, like, working back in 2000, like, 16. I'm no. 2015, I moved to London after university. And I came out from a very long relationship back then, and I just wanted to, like, discover myself. I was in my mid twenties, and I just wanted to, be successful as everybody, like, you know, that's, like, stuff you always wanted to do. I wasn't ready for family. I didn't wanna get married that time. I was, like, 24. I was, like, still too early. So let's discover the world, and let's go to London. Because that was that time easy because it was still in the EU, so I could just move there, don't have to do anything. And, yeah, the good thing about London is, if you're good in something, you can, yeah, be successful quite quite quick. So I was like, look.
What can I do in in order to earn a lot of money fast? So I was like, okay. Let's go into the, property industry. So that's what I did. And after one and a half years, I became manager of London's biggest real estate company, and I was living the dream, literally. You know, you have a lot of money. Like, everybody's looking up to you. You have a whole office. You look nice. You can afford everything. You know, I have nice clothes. All these kind of things you always kind of wanted, but you paid a gigantic price for that. So, like, you work crazy hours. Everybody who lived in London knows, like, you work 6 to 7 days a week. Like, had no literally no life.
You're gonna be look perfect, you know, go to the gym every day in order to be pretty and all these kind of things. Right? So Yeah. Yeah. And at one point, you know, you just you can't. Your body is telling you how, like, you know, how can you do that? Like on and on. No no break. No no weekends off. Like you don't have holidays. Well, you do, but, like, if you don't work, you don't earn money because it's commission based and all these kind of things. So Mhmm. You rather just push through it. And, after a couple of years, like, then I had a massive, massive, like, breakdown. It's like the whole body just said no. So then you try to cheat as well, like, and think, okay. What can you do in order to, like, cope?
So I started, like, smoking, then you start drinking, and then you, yeah, start taking taking some not just supplements, but, like, also, like, like drugs in order to just to work. Right? So to perform. Yeah. And, that's that was and is so normal in that industry. That's that's everybody is doing this. So and I was just, like, back then. Okay. So when everybody is doing this, maybe I can try it as well. So because then I'm awake, then I'm strong, so and it can be even stronger. And so I did that as well. So and at one point, I just couldn't. I couldn't look myself in the mirror anymore and just said, wow.
I can't. So that was the point when I, yeah, quit quit my job and try to find a solution in order, like, yeah, to get better and yeah. So back then I was kind of writing already. So I wrote all my, like, thoughts down because that was, like, easy for me in order to process what I was doing. I was like because some days, I just felt awful. And I was like, what what can I do? And the gym wasn't working enough. Like, you know, it I had no tools anymore. So Yeah.
[00:11:21] Unknown:
Yeah. So What was Tanya, what was the, what was the day, the tipping point, the moment that you had that, I can't do it anymore? Because I would imagine you had days leading up to that moment that were kind of like, you know, you're kind of trying, should I stay? Should I go now kind of thing? You know, and I know I've been there, done that in certain situations in my life, and it's kind of like there just comes a time where it's like, fuck this. I can't do it anymore. Yeah. You know? Like, it no. And and so what was your process going through that? Like, how did you know it was time?
[00:11:56] Unknown:
Well, I remember that day quite clearly. It was a morning, early morning Sunday or so. It was a beautiful day in London, so I went for a walk and I came back from a party, like, partying all night. And then I had this anxiety, and I called my mom and my parents. And I said, mom, I did something really really bad. And I told them that I took something, and they said, okay. That's that's not okay, but what do you need? And I was like, can you come? So they said, of course, we will be there. So they actually jumped on the next plane and came. Yeah.
Wow.
[00:12:46] Unknown:
How how how did it keep going after that? Did you leave? Did you get out of London? Did you stay for a bit? Did they help you you know, what was your next step there? Yeah. It was it went quite quickly because,
[00:13:01] Unknown:
within, like, a couple of weeks, we packed my flat together. So Mhmm. We put everything in boxes and then I decided because I mean I was addicted. Right? So, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I was like, okay what what am I gonna do in order to, like, heal? I can't stay in London obviously and of course I could go back to Berlin, which I did, so I moved back with my parents. But I said I think I have to go on a journey to to, like, not to only to heal myself, to discover what I really really want. Because I was so lost. Like, you know, imagine you're a manager from a top company.
Like, everybody's looking up to you. Everybody is Everybody thought you have your, like, your shit together. And it's like, everybody's always asking you for your advice. What can we do? And you are such a you are such a goer. You are so strong. You are so extraordinary. And inside I felt just so lost. I was like, no, I'm not strong. I was like, I don't wanna be strong. I'm not strong. I don't know what I want. So I, booked myself a one way ticket to Thailand, to Bangkok, and then I wanted to stay, in a silent monastery with some monks because I did some research and, I thought this is something where I really could could heal. So, that's what I what I did then. I went on a 4 weeks, like, journey to Thailand, but in the north, like, not the south. So Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, then I went to Lao, and then Singapore and, yeah, to just really just be by myself digitally. I was by myself. I wasn't drinking that time. I went to the monks and to a retreat where I had a lot of me time too much properly.
[00:15:02] Unknown:
Is there such a thing, Tanya? It's too much me time.
[00:15:05] Unknown:
It's like I mean, do you like some like a friend of mine, she was just calling me, oh, I I'm sick and I'm already, like, 3 days at home. Oh my god. When you have time for yourself, you think so much. It's like, yeah. Imagine being in a monastery for a couple of days. Nobody's talking to you. It's like, damn, thoughts are coming up.
[00:15:27] Unknown:
Wow. What came up for you? Did what? I'm curious if you had any surprises that came up in your thinking that was like, Oh, my gosh. I wasn't like, did you have a blind spot that got revealed to you about how you were looking at life or how you were approaching your life?
[00:15:43] Unknown:
Yeah. It's I mean, when I was, like, working in London, I was not a I mean, I was always I was no. I was not a nice person, I would say. I I wasn't horrible to anyone, but I discovered I I let my a lot of friends down. I let my family down. I I was I was just not there for people, You know? So because work was always so much more important than anything else. Like, you know? And this is this is just so wrong. It's like, you know, your family and your friends, that should be priority number 1 in your life. Always. Always.
Always. And that's what and that came up and I was just like, oh my gosh. My parents are always there for me and I'm not, like, thankful and gracious enough for them that they're in my life. And then I was, like, of course, thinking about myself. What do you really want from life? What is it? Why like, the fundamental question were popping up. Why are you here? It's like, what is the thing? Why are you here on that planet? And that's, like, very scary. It's like, if you really, like, ask yourself that question, you don't have the answer for. I was like, oh my gosh. And now? I was like, so, that question came up a lot, and, then I discovered as well that I feel very lonely. Like, I'm not alone, but I feel lonely. These are 2 different and major things. And, yeah, I always try to numb these kind of feelings, in yeah. When I was, like, getting busy and but when you have time to think, you cannot numb anything anymore.
So you cannot cheat.
[00:17:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I think a lot of us, you know, we suffer from this obvious distractions everywhere, you know, and we're programmed with distractions constantly that are trying to capture our attention, code us and code the way that we think and the way that we operate because, you know, these other external forces have incentives, you know, and they're power incentives, they're monetary incentives, you know? And so, right now, the way that modern or certainly Western culture is is we are very much in this matrix, right, of of this programming.
And until we can finally understand that, like, this matrix has been manipulating us for so long and then you take that sacred time for yourself, which I'm so happy you're able to do that, you know? And sometimes you have to do it many times. It's not just like a lot of people I was in rehab 8 years ago and it was for a month and it was literally like this much of the time that I needed personally for my healing and growth journey because I was, you know, a lot of things had gone on. And so people think that when you go and take this time for yourself, it's like going to the auto body shop. Look, I fixed the fender. Okay.
Back to normal. No, dude. That's not how you did it. Like, like, when things like this, when you have a breakdown, when you have a complete, like, you know, no matter what age you are, no matter why it happens, it's like a whole restructuring needs to happen. You know? And it's such a a a powerful process, and a lot of times people go backwards and they go back to where they were, and they have to go learn some new lessons that they didn't get. They have to keep repeating that grade. You know? But it's like taking that time to really get to know yourself. You know? This program I'm you know, this 11x love method, I call it getting your MeHD, you know, and it's about really who are you and why you're here, what do you stand for, what's your goals, what's your mission, what do you stand against, you know? And they don't teach you that stuff growing up, You know? They teach you, like, how to learn a skill so you can make some money and pay some taxes and buy some stuff and be in the matrix, and then you die.
That's what they teach you. They don't teach you how to live a purpose filled life, you know? And so the system is so outdated with how we're educated and then how we're taught to contribute to creating a more fundamentally prosperous society in all areas of life, not just money, but in health, in culture, in relationships, on the Earth, in the environment. And so we have so much unlearning to do, you know? And so what was the biggest thing you unlearned?
[00:20:36] Unknown:
I think to accept myself the way I am and try to love myself. And that's a fun thing. Like, once you open that box of the Pandora, you know, you cannot close it. And, like, it's an ongoing process even even today. It's like, I don't have my,
[00:20:59] Unknown:
things figured out. No. It's like, they're dangerous. Introduce me to someone who does because I would like their playbook because I've still to meet anyone on planet Earth who's got their their stuff figured out. So hook me up with the playbook.
[00:21:12] Unknown:
And everybody who's saying he does, I think or she does, they lie. Because I don't believe it. It's Yeah. Because there are still days where I like wake up and think, gosh, what is happening? Like, why? You know? So, but I think if you're just like honest to yourself and like admit that, yes, there are days, which are very challenging. But it's the way how you perceive them, how you go through these days, and, like, just yeah. Don't don't distract yourself. Let let these feelings go through your entire body, and, that's that's okay. So, yeah, that's that's what I learned so that I actually had feelings because I turned my feelings off, like, for so many years. I I remember that I now I can cry.
This is nice, right? So I never cried. So even yeah. So
[00:22:12] Unknown:
That's amazing. Have you, and I think, you know, I use the word harmony a lot about having a life, a harmonious life versus a balanced life, And I think a lot of people strive for this ideal of a balanced life, like work life balance and relationship and all this other stuff and health. And I think that's a fallacy because at any given point, like, I don't believe we can be at optimal levels in all of these areas of life, you know, and I've categorized it in these 11 areas. But so it's like coming to terms and acceptance and peace inside that some days, you're gonna be like, woo hoo. I'm riding the wave over here. I'm doing great with my family and my relationships. Rock and roll. High five to me. And then you're like, oops. I missed a business meeting because I went to the soccer game for my kids. Or, you know, I didn't go to the gym today because I wanted to stay home, you know, and do some, you know, something with my family or needed to be there for, you know so so you're never gonna be at this, like, 10 at everything every day. And I think so when we can come to grips with that, but making sure that we're not completely neglecting one segment of life for a long period of time, which it sounds like that's what your experience was.
You know, you were rocking, rocking, rocking in your business, success. You're going to the gym. You're looking hot. Let's go. Woo hoo. But it's like you said, your family, your friends, your purpose wasn't getting nourished, you know? And so it's so important. So now how do you feel, like, with after this, you know, experience? Do you feel like you've got more, more comfort in the harmony in your life in these different areas?
[00:23:59] Unknown:
Definitely. Because, I do now something I really enjoy. Like, I I don't do it for the money. Like, you know, when somebody is asking me, oh, how long do I have to work today? Or, like, are you free? I was like, this does not work for me. It's like, you know, my I don't have weekends because every day is a weekend for me. Like, you know, it's like I just love it so much what I'm doing. So
[00:24:31] Unknown:
Let's tell everybody what you're doing and how you got to this point of doing what you're doing.
[00:24:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm an event manager. So, like, if I'm truly honest with me, I always wanted to plan stuff. Like, always wanted to organize stuff. I mean, I organized my graduation, like, prom, like from school. I was like, oh, that's so cool. Like, you know, for 500 people. I love it. Oh, cool. These kind of things. And then I wanted to study that but it was just on a private university and we couldn't afford it. So I was like, Okay, do something else. And then I was like always, yeah, okay, it is what it is. I do like organize, like, birthday parties and like, I did that in my free time, like, for everybody. It's like, yeah, I'm doing it. Not to not to worry. And yeah. Then at one point, in Germany, like, after the pandemic, everything was, like, settling down.
I was like, now you're gonna do what you always wanted to do. Let's just try it. So and I started at an agency, in in in Berlin, and I just loved it so much. It's like I was I was working a lot of as well, but just different. You know, you get this, like, energy. You get that that high like, it was just another level. And but, I always wanted to be, like I always wanted to be my own boss. Like, you know, I wanted to, like, choose my clients. And, I mean, I I really loved what I did, and I still do. And my team is amazing I worked with, but the companies I was working for, it's just this the fiat system, I don't wanna support. Right? So, I mean
[00:26:25] Unknown:
So how did you okay. So how did you make the jump from the fiat system to where you are now? Tell everybody, like, what is what's that bridge of of that part and the bridge of this event experience that you're up to right now, which I think is ultra powerful and cool.
[00:26:41] Unknown:
I got invited to Prague, to volunteer, at a Nostra booth. A few of the Nostra businesses set up there and Tell everybody what's Nostra.
[00:26:53] Unknown:
Wow. As quickly as you can. 1, 2, 3, go.
[00:26:59] Unknown:
It's the foundation of the new web for me. It's freedom of speech. If Bitcoin is freedom for money, NOS does freedom of speech. So it's decentralized. You cannot be banned from it. Like, you know, you can get banned from Twitter, which I've been up to lately several times because I was posting too many stuff
[00:27:21] Unknown:
for for Noster like that. I know they don't they're if you can't they they don't like Noster post on Twitter or Substack or anything. Yeah. It's No. It was like a couple of days ago. I don't blame him. I get it. As a business person, he's like, let's not stay here, guys. You know? So from a business lens, I understand. But that can But from a censorship lens, it's annoying. It's just like yeah. It it's a frustrating one. So tell people, like, what why does the why is Nostra different for anybody who doesn't understand, and how is it linked with Bitcoin?
[00:27:51] Unknown:
Well, so, Noster is a protocol, that was written, like, I think back in 2017 by Fia Jaff. And, it's very new. So, and they are, like, everybody can build on top of the protocol. So, like, there are different clients, like, of course, there are, Twitter Twitter clones, I would say, like Primal.
[00:28:15] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:28:16] Unknown:
But there are so many other cool, businesses like I know that, Atlantis is launching their new Appsoon, which is like a digital nomad app. So you go in every city and can just, like, see and select your, events you would like to go. And, the cool thing, about Nostar is is has, like, for example, Primal has also a built in wallet in it. So when I post something Mhmm. You can actually send other people's apps. So you can actually earn money for your content. I mean, how cool is that? Right? So that's for all the creators out there, like, you know, on Instagram or, like, Twitter. You just get these boring likes. But, you know, if you have amazing con like, content, you actually earn money. So I think that's that's quite powerful. And you're independent and you can do basically, what whatever you want. And, like, I come, like, from a time when, like, the lockdown and the pandemic hit in Germany. I got banned from Facebook, LinkedIn because I was saying and fighting about things I wasn't happy with what the government were deciding. I mean, I have a very strong, background, with my family. They are both doctors.
And, you know, we were questioning everything. We were questioning the system. We were questioning the vaccines. And we made a little bit of noise, maybe a little bit too much noise. So my parents got banned from Facebook. They, they were writing articles which suddenly disappeared. So they had interviews on YouTube. Oh my god. That got deleted. So and all these kind of things is this just not happening with Nostra. So and when I came to Prague and
[00:30:13] Unknown:
at one point, I because I didn't get Nostra, I was like, what is a protocol? What is that? I don't get it. It's like so complicated. It's like Did you get more into Nostra first and then Bitcoin because of Nostr? Yes. Yes. Oh, this is exciting. I this is the first time I've heard this kind of a a journey. So, oh, girl. Let me get some popcorn.
[00:30:33] Unknown:
Yes. That's like that's when everybody is, like, talking about Bitcoin. I was like, don't ask me Bitcoin questions. I mean, I I invest in Bitcoin. I have Bitcoin, you know. But I, like, I'm still new. I still learn and I'm eager to learn. But no, I'm I'm very bullish on Nostar. And when I came there, I was like, oh my god. Freedom of speech. This is so great. This is I I couldn't believe
[00:30:57] Unknown:
it. And I know. It it's insane. Like, I mean, I think right now what's going on with people getting jailed for making comments about certain things or obviously getting blacklisted or deleted from the apps, etcetera. I mean, I think it's one thing, obviously, if you're promoting, like, violence or hate against Yeah. A group. I don't support that. That's not, like, that's not free speech. That's that's not cool. But if you're saying something that your government is doing a policy that you don't agree with or you think that they're not telling the truth or you feel, you know, like this is wrong, like, you should be able to speak without the threat of jail or violence or a cyber attack or anything. You know? And, you know, in order to have a free world and a democracy, free speech is the number one thing that we must have. And so it doesn't mean if everyone's gonna talk nicely to each other and give each other little hearts every day. Like, people are gonna argue. They're gonna bicker. They're gonna be very passionate about their sides. They're gonna think that they're correct about their side, and then they're gonna be either, you know, wrong eventually and proven wrong, you know, but, like, people need to be able to have this public forum to express themselves safely, you know? And and it's it's what I see happening with a lot of the censorship industrial complex is very, very terrifying to me. Like, that's the first road to the first step in the road to authoritarianism and dictatorships and you know, places where people are miserable, you know? And so it's like Nostra definitely can solve for that because you're out there and it's decentralized.
That's what people don't get. You don't have a CEO of Nostra, Luckily. You know, where, okay, we've got to have an HR meeting and go through our thing here. It's like, no, it's a protocol. And so for people who don't understand what a protocol is versus a platform, a platform is like a Twitter, a Facebook, a place where it's a business, there's a central authority, all of the data is in a centralized, system, you know, that you don't have access to as a consumer and it's run by algorithms that you don't get to choose how they run and what you see. You get to be the the, the the product. You know, you're getting advertisements. And so Nostr doesn't I mean, you can put ads up there if you want to. No one's gonna stop you if you put an ad on Nostr, but you're not, like, subject to that kind of an algorithm. And then all of the relays are distributed all over the world. Like, you can start anybody can do an Oster relay just like anybody can run a Bitcoin node and have access to the entire Bitcoin network in a little drive.
Like and then you can see every transaction. So it's pretty, like I don't know. I've never seen anything like this before. And I mean, I'm I've been here over half a century and it's pretty like, oh, wow. This is for their kids, for the freedom fighters, you know, for the truth seekers in the world. How has your life changed since you've become a a nostril girl, a nostril advocate doing the nostril booth?
[00:34:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I think my life got so much more healthier because as you say, like, I I was using Instagram so much. It's like I was scrolling and scrolling. Because, I mean, they are clever, like, you know, these apps, they make you addicted. Oh, totally. Absolutely. Like, you know, they have so many smart ways that you have to always go back and you scroll and scroll and scroll. Derek Ross always calls this doomscrolling. So which is brilliant. And, yeah, since I'm since I'm on Nostr, I'm less active on, like, Instagram. People always, like, these days asking me if I'm okay with, like, you know, because I'm not, like, posting every day a story or do a new reel because I don't, like, I literally don't care anymore. Like, you know, it's like I don't need, the other people, like, to tell me, oh, yeah. This is, you know, they like your stories, your post, like, for what? Like like, you know, for for what? And Yeah. It's and I think Nostra is like is so great because the community right now is still so small.
You know? It's like and they are very helpful. Like, you literally can ask people there, oh, I need help with that and that and that. And they literally and generally reply to you, do that on Instagram. Do that on Twitter.
[00:35:38] Unknown:
I mean, you know, they don't care. I know. Well, and they don't see your post either on those other places. And I think that's the issue too that people don't understand. Like, if you have, whatever, a 100000 followers on, you know, Twitter or Instagram, like, your reach is this small Unless you're creating some type of weird piece of viral content if you're lucky and then your reach gets, you know, grown, but, like, you're not guaranteed to show up on your users' timelines. And so the way that I see how Nostra works, and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm new to everything because I think we all are, Hey is, you are if I post something and you follow me, like, let's say I have a 1000 followers, 10,000 followers, all 10,000 of those followers, my post is gonna be on their timeline.
Yeah. Is that correct? So it's not like this little tiny like, only a few people get it. Like, no, you get it. If you follow me or you, like, it's gonna show up somewhere. It might be in some long feed because a bunch of people are following you, you know, whatever. But it's
[00:36:41] Unknown:
not it's not game. On the protocol is, Anasa, the way I always explain it to people is, like, if you post something on Instagram, people don't see it on Twitter. But, like, if you post something on on NOSA, let's say, Primal, they they see it on another app demos because that's all linked together. Because you have your you have your private key and you can put it into different clients. So that's that's the whole,
[00:37:08] Unknown:
idea behind it. So But aside from the clients, you know, seeing it. Right? Because, like, obviously we have fountain. And so if I make a comment on fountain, it shows up in the primal, etcetera. And so you have one ID that goes across all these clients. But is it I just wanna make sure I'm I'm speaking correctly. If if I make a post and it's, you know, whatever, you follow me somewhere, you're gonna see it in your feed. Mhmm. Like, you're not it's not gonna be hidden from you because I didn't meet the algorithm requirements. Like, just the simple act of following me or you, like, we're gonna see each other's stuff if if we're followers of each other. And so Because you choose your own algorithm.
Exactly. And that's like, we don't get to do that in these other apps. So it's crazy to me. And I think, like so, you know, I've been doing, we did a podcasting virtual summit, like, a month or so ago, and we talk, of course, about value for value, how is Noster working versus RSS, what's podcasting 2.0. And so thinking in terms of, like, you know, like you had said earlier, people do those little hearts. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna go buy groceries with the hearts. I want you know, show me put your money where your mouth, put your stats where your love is. And so when people show you, you know, wow, I like that post or that article or that episode or that piece of art, you know, you're putting your money where your mouth is. And that's what makes it so different because you're not just getting these fake likes. And not that everyone's always gonna give you stats, but it's a much more powerful indicator of the quality of your content as a creative.
It's also an indicator of, like, wow, this is really my 1,000 true fan audience. Like, they keep supporting me and they want me to obviously succeed. And so I think it makes a whole different relationship building opportunity as creatives, as business people, as thought leaders, as activists, you know. It's such a cool tool, you know? And it's with the most sound money in the world. It's not like little, here's some Twitch game points tokens. No. Yeah. No. It's money. It's real money that you want. Yeah. And it's useful and you can take it out. It's in your own wallet. It's not like, oh, you can only spend your little tokens in my app. You know, it's so that's what so I don't think people really understand how how cool that is, you know, because I see a lot of little things where it's like, oh, look, you can get experience tokens. Who gives a shit? Like, I don't I don't want experience tokens. I want Bitcoin. Yeah. You literally can.
[00:39:41] Unknown:
We had the Nostra meetup, on Tuesday in Berlin, and the guy who was organizing the Nostra meetup got the bar we are always, having the meetup in on Noster. So they got, they set up an account on Primer so we actually could pay our drinks directly there. With like, and I was like, what's that? So it's like, there we go. And it's so easy. It's so easy. It's so easy. But that's the thing. Like, that's why, I thought Anostebooth, like, the idea come up came obviously from Prague and from Derek and all the guys who did that there is so amazing because people want to and need to have something in their hand. Like, if we talk about it and if my mom is listening to this right now, she wouldn't get it. It was like, What do you mean? But if you are actually next to the person and download one client and then the other and then you, like, you know, put your private key in demos and then in into fountain and everything is there. The whole then, you know, it start making click to the people and the people will understand. And then you send them some subs as well. And they they absolutely freak out.
[00:40:55] Unknown:
That's that's that's that's so much fun. Oh, what do you have there? I've got just primal. I just pulled up primal so people can see, like, what it looks like. Yeah. Because, you know, I I think it's important, like, you mean, you made such a good point. A lot of people get nervous, like, what's a what's an end pub? What's a private key? What's this? What's that? And it's just like, okay. It's basically sort of like your email, and it's basically like your password. Not the same, but it's similar. Right? So that's what those two things are. And so that's it. It's as simple as that. And so it's like you can explore just the way you do would with Twitter. And speaking of Derek hi, Derek. You know, you'll get notifications if people zap you, you know,
[00:41:36] Unknown:
and send you money. And it can be anonymous as well because, like, it's it's your n pub is not your email. It's like basically your username. You can be anybody. Thank you. Oh, hi. Hi. Who's that? Was that gorgeous? Hey, baby. And you're like and your, private key is basically, your password. The only thing what is very important to know is please do not use your private key because then you're lost. Because you can't change it. And, yeah. Nobody will like, reset it for you because that's impossible.
[00:42:15] Unknown:
Yep. Just like Bitcoin. Like don't there's no customer service that's gonna, you know if you're doing self custody and that you're doing it the right way and you're not on an exchange, you're I mean, that's not self custody, obviously, if you're on exchange. You're your bank, you know, and banks need to be in charge of their own security, their SecOps. And so this is just an example for anybody watching who doesn't know how, Nostra works. Again, it's very similar. You know, there's different clients, like you said. There's blogs. There's all sorts of different, you know, communities out there. There's different things that people can build on top of the Nostra protocol. But what's really cool down here, okay, is you can here's, Jeff just did a really cool build, and a lot of these builders don't get paid. They're all open source builders. Some of them get some grants from, like, open sats or whatnot.
But a lot of these builders have been just doing this because they love it, and it's so powerful. But, like, the community is like, yay, dude. I love you. And you can zap somebody. Like, I just zapped him a 111 sats. So now I just say confirm. Yay. I confirm. It's only 8¢. It's nothing. I can change the dollar or the, you know, sats amount if I want. I don't know why it's not going. There you go. But you see you can see your social graph of who is sending money. Like, O'Dell just gave him 5555. You know? So it's really cool instead of just, here's a bunch of hearts. You know? And so this, I think, is such a cool tool, and I think it's such a way for everybody who cares about free, uncensorable speech to start getting your toes wet. It's super duper easy to go get an account. If you need help, obviously, I bet, Tanya, you would be helpful.
And if people can DM you somewhere, they can DM me too. I'm not the best Nostra person, but I'm learning as we go.
[00:44:09] Unknown:
And that's why I say, I'm also like not the I'm not a tech person. I'm not a developer. I mean, I've never heard of Nostril, like, 3 months ago. But I think it's so important to give new people, like, the confidence. Like, yes, you can do something. Yes, you can support this community. And the community for me has been so supportive. I mean, I'm on your podcast. This is like I mean, you have superstars here. Like, you know, I don't like You're a superstar. Are you kidding me? I was like, this is just this is an honor, like, you know? And Yeah.
[00:44:44] Unknown:
Who? Who was that? How's Angel? I forgot to move her. Typically, I I'm my brain is tired. I've been waking up at 3:30 every morning. You typically don't have the dog down here with me, but she's here. But it it's so cool, though. That and I think that's what's so neat about this this community too, whether it's Bitcoin community or Bitcoin plus Nostra or Nostra, whatever. Everybody it's the the game theory is real. When when, you know, we have network effect, when we have everybody winning, it's truly everybody's winning. It's not a zero sum game like a lot of other, industries out there. You know? We want everybody on Nostra. We want everybody understanding and utilizing Bitcoin and, you know, freedom technologies. These two things are freedom technologies. And so if we wish to have a free world that's fairer, the technology is one of the ways that we, can move forward. We have inner technologies, obviously, of meditation and self awareness and creativity and writing and journaling and whatnot, but there's also these other beautiful tools, you know, that are also linking us up to the future that we wish to create, you know? And so, it's such a, like, welcoming space, you know, like you said.
[00:45:59] Unknown:
And I, for the first time in many years, have a good feeling about the future again. You know? No, it's true. Because in this, like, feared world it's like, it's all the same bullshit every day, you know. It's like I don't see myself there and maybe I'm now in this Nostrand Bitcoin bubble because I you know, but that's okay because I feel so welcome there. I feel I feel good there. Everybody is kind and I can be my true self, you know? And it's like this South American tour, we are doing so many, like, this entire tour is community funded.
Like, can you imagine? It's like, there is no big company who's like, yes, we fund you that. No. It's like everybody chipped in and that has been a lot of work. I'm not gonna lie. It's like and like, I don't know, like, next week, it let it con it's around the corner and Is this where people are making donations on Geyser Fund?
[00:47:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. You guys who's who if you're not watching, you can go to geyser.fund, forward slash project, the Nostra Booth Initiative, and you can make donations in Bitcoin, you know, to to help this Nostra Booth go. And it's like literally every dollar is helping. Right? So, and,
[00:47:22] Unknown:
yeah. So everybody has been so generous. And then people who have no money they are just like offering like in volunteering. Like, you know, because these countries are like very poor countries like, Cantina for example, but they have an amazing Nostra community down there. It's like, look, we can't we don't have money but we have people. We have a community house. Let's do everything together. I was like, this is just brilliant. So we can co work there and then all these kind of like amazing creators like Max Demarco is coming as well. Yeah, he does. So it's like, he's joining for the whole 3, conferences as well
[00:48:02] Unknown:
with his colleague and yeah. So I was like, this is such a good travel squad. So I was like It is. Well, and you made a good point. A lot of people think like, oh, well, I don't have any money to contribute. Well, it's like you have time, treasure, and talent. Right? I hear that a lot. Adam Curry says that. A lot of my marketing instructors talk about that. And it's like we all have something to offer the world. And it doesn't mean we need to go, like, oh my god. I have to volunteer 20 hours. It's like tiny little things. Just repost stuff, you know, or invite your other friends who might be interested or whatever you can do to continue to move the needle forward on this hopeful future for everybody. And I think a lot of people, like you just said, like, you finally are starting to feel positive and hopeful about the future because of your experience in this community, you know, and with this technology.
[00:48:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Because, like, for me, like, a couple of years ago, and I'm very honest, I never wanted to have kids. Literally, I was like, in this world, I don't wanna have kids. Yeah. I don't see a future. And now I'm just like wow, I would love to have kids. I would love to have kids if this is like, you know, if this is a community out there who support each other. Like who was that? The other day on Nostra somebody told I was just reading that the mom has to go to the hospital and the dad is alone at home but the whole community came. The neighbors brought the kids to school, made them lunchbox. I was like, oh my god this is amazing.
I love that. Like, you know, this is
[00:49:35] Unknown:
great. So and, yeah. Well, and I it's interesting, you know, I think because you were about the same age as me when I I mean, I met my ex husband when I was 32, and I was I almost got fixed in my twenties because it was just like first of all, I don't think I would be the best mom because I'm kind of screwed up and I had a messed up life. And, you know, I don't know. It just I never really had a great role model of what a good family was. And I love my family very much, but they're they're messed up, you know? And I was just like, well, maybe I'm just gonna be the cool DJ auntie chick who flies around and I get to be cool. And, and I met my ex husband and, you know, I got to meet his family and the whole thing. And it was like, all right. Maybe I've been looking at it as all wrong because I just didn't have the community around me to inspire me to wanna have something different because I didn't know it would be possible for me, you know? And so, of course, being a mom has been the best decision of my whole life, the hardest thing on earth.
Nothing is harder than being a mother. Nothing. Nothing. I don't care. No. I bet. I bet. It's the hardest thing and it's the best thing. There's nothing better. And so I I highly recommend, you know, with the right person that is on the same page as you, you know, anyone listening, like, it's the best thing ever. It's hard, but it's worth it. Like, bringing life into the world is very it's part of our mission as humans is to procreate, you know, and make the world better with our children. And hopefully, we keep upcycling. You know, it's like, okay.
Note to self, don't do all the stupid shit I did, but they're gonna just like we do. Like coming back, you know, the so we've got Bitcoin for Families Virtual Summit going on in December 7th. And so we've got free market kids, Daniel Prince with Once Bitten. We're gonna have Shamari. The Bitcoin Kids Club is gonna be there. We're gonna have a whole bunch of other companies that we're trying to help support what they're doing with Bitcoin education for children. You know, how do you raise a Bitcoin family, right? And so what are all the cool things that people can do for their children to help them, you know, be financially literate with, you know, finance 2.0, right, which is the Bitcoin world. And, you know, I just said that and it came out of the blue. I'm sure someone else said it. So anyways, it's like, how are we raising financially literate families, you know? And we think about, in El Salvador, you know, you guys that you're gonna be there, they're gonna be having, like, the the, the Ninos area, you know, the kids area. And so Shala and, Kiki and everybody are putting that together, which is gonna be fabulous. And so the more that we keep getting the younger generation involved in Freedom Technologies, you know, so that and then we don't have to have them get, you know, indoctrinated into the lies, you know, and you don't have to unlearn the things. It's harder to unlearn, you know, as an adult. And so it's so important for the young people to have the opportunities to connect and be together and learn together, you know? And so I think it's really great.
I wanna ask you, I wanna come back to your book because we titled this whole episode, Is It Love or Self Abuse? And I wanna come back to this. And the reason why is, you know, your book is so powerful. It really is. And it's really you guys have to get this book, The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Fucked. And it's like it it I told you, it was really emotional for me at certain points. I was like, oh, I can't read any more of this. I gotta go meditate. Because it was like reading looking in the mirror a little bit, you know? Imagine my mom reading it. Right? Oh my gosh. I know. How how did she respond to this?
[00:53:27] Unknown:
Well, I escaped for a week and then I called her at one point and said, have you read it? She said, yeah, I did. And I was like, can I still come home? And she said, of course, you can, Tanya. Always. Oh, okay. But, yeah, it was Yeah. Because there were some, like, things in it, like, especially the last chapter, I actually didn't know.
[00:53:51] Unknown:
I gotta pause for a second here. That was a really hard one to read. Like
[00:54:01] Unknown:
yeah. It was also hard to write.
[00:54:06] Unknown:
And I bet it was hard to live.
[00:54:10] Unknown:
So It was. Yeah. It was.
[00:54:15] Unknown:
And how did you so so the whole thing, the whole the whole ending, like all of the not just the one scene, but, you know, when we look at the paths that we're on, you know, we were talking about this before I hit record, you know, we go through life a lot of times fooling ourselves. We're gaslighting ourselves. We're abandoning our truth. A lot of times, we don't even know what it is. And like you said, you went to the monastery and the monks and you started asking yourself, like, what is my truth? Why am I here? Who am I? You know, all the important questions. You know, but it's like, did you feel in your gut as this whole experience was happening over, you know, the course of this time period in London, did you feel in your gut as things started to shift for you? And like, did you know, like, this is off? Like, I'm with this you know, I'm waiting for this one person to keep wanting me back, and and he's not. You know? And and then you made this giant decision or, you know, the character did. I know this is fiction, but not fiction.
To drop what you were doing and be with them, and then something crazy happened. And so I don't wanna spoil the story, but, like, at what point did you did you know in your gut or in your body somehow that, like, you're doing something and it's it's you're you're cheating on yourself? You're cheating on your truth?
[00:55:45] Unknown:
Yeah. The gut, like, was telling me that the whole time,
[00:55:50] Unknown:
But I just didn't telling you? I just the reason I'm asking you this is for people who are listening. And I always wanna know, how does one know the truth that our body and our intuition and our soul and our heart is speaking, but we mask it. You know? Like, what are the signals of truth that come through to you looking back at it now?
[00:56:14] Unknown:
It's it's super difficult because it's just something internally you cannot numb. Even if you really really try and your your brain is always like, no no. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. No. Your like your body, your soul, your. It just knows. Right? And even if you keep telling yourself this person is good for you, this job is great, is is is not, because you're just fooling yourself. You're not honest to yourself. Because for me, back then, I really really wanted to have my happy end. Of course. I wanted it so much. And that's why I was just lying to myself, you know, because I was like, Oh my God. I've done now all the work. I'm now fixed, you know. I did it.
I really, really, really wanted it.
[00:57:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Did you think in your mind, you know and again, you guys have to go read the story. Did you think in your mind, like, it's because karmically you did all this work, now it's gonna work? Yeah. Like, you were ready and it it it was like, okay, it's time. And and
[00:57:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I thought I'm I will I'm fine now and, I'm ready, like, you know, to to settle down, to to have a family, to have a normal relationship and but I was not. I was clearly not. And something protected me, like, you know, for something for something better. And like you know, even even after that I've I'm fooling myself. Like you know, I've been I've fooled myself the last couple like within the last 5 years as well. So there came new people in my life which clearly were very very unhealthy. Very toxic and I was just like, no this could be okay. But then you know, all these red flags you try to ignore and I always say if I have to defend someone's behaviour towards my family and friends which I did.
Yeah. That's not a good sign. Yeah. And I'm looking back. I'm grateful that this wasn't working out. Because otherwise I wouldn't be here now. And I would maybe have a family and will be very unhappy and miserable. And I don't know. I would get sick and you don't know. I mean, you can't force something. And, I I think if something is meant to be, yeah, it's it's meant to be, and I have to be just a little bit more patient.
[00:59:13] Unknown:
Yeah. And trust and have that faith, you know, in God, spirit, universe, whatever people have, you know, faith in. I I think, you know, when I was reading the end, again, I was just like, woah. The word test just kept coming up for me. Like, this is a test of the emergency love system, you know? And every time, you know, it's like you think about university or school or anything, it's like you study something, you go to lab, you experiment with it, you take a test, and then it's like, okay, how are you gonna compound that on your life journey, on your learning journey? Well, you're gonna keep getting tested again and again and again to validate, did you truly get the lesson?
Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so it's like when and I know from a mindset perspective, obviously, right, we can look at things and just be like, oh my god, Mister wrong keeps showing up or missus wrong keeps showing up. And, you know, it's just like, yay. Good for you. Because that means you're getting presented with the opportunity to swipe left quickly if you've gotten the lesson. You know? But otherwise, you're gonna have to keep going back and repeating and repeating and repeating so that you can get into a place of, you know, truth and integrity with yourself. And so, same thing. I've been there, done that, keep doing it. I get in and I'm like, Oh, it's okay if I cut this corner and compromise a little over here, and it'll be okay because this stuff's really good. You know? And it's like, no. There's like a giant bloodied red flag saying, get away.
You know? This is dangerous. And but I'm like, but it's it's a blood it's not that bad. You know? And it's like our mind wants to have a heart connection with a special person, and we wanna be special. You know? Like, we wanna have that ride or die person. That's a normal human behavior and and desire. There's nothing abnormal about it. It's just we have these learned mechanisms where it's like we compromise, you know, and we overcompromise and that leads to our demise eventually. You know? And so it's like, as you've been going through this gauntlet of tests in these last 5 or 6 years, you know, have you been able to identify things quicker and let them go quicker? Or are you still following into things and being in the in the Velcro of that situation for a while?
[01:01:47] Unknown:
I have to say, I say no, like, easier. And for me it's like, I'm not chasing anymore. Like, you know, I I don't, you know, I wanna attract and that that's like and that's so important. It's like, you know because I'm right now ex like learning a lot about,
[01:02:10] Unknown:
like, feminine and masculine energy as well. Yeah. Because I was like many many years just in my masculine energy. Totally. To be in the industry that you were in, it's full on masculine. Full on and You killed. You eat, you know, you eat what you kill. That's it. And, you know Even
[01:02:29] Unknown:
to admit, like, oh, I would like to be in this feminine energy. I would like to be this flower, you know, to flourish and you know, that was even to admit that that's that was a hell of a journey. It's like, you know, and the last 2 years I would say I'm yeah. I'm more playful. Like, you know, I do girly stuff and that's absolutely fine. And, you know, and, like, when sometimes people ask me oh what what do you wanna, like, do or wanna be in life? And right now I say: I wanna be a mom. Yeah. And like and this is so funny and this is what I love about the community, the bitcoin community. Someone asked me the other day Oh, what do you wanna do? What do you wanna be? And I was like Oh, I would like to be a mom.
And he was like This is actually very very nice to hear. Yeah. And it was like Oh wow. Somebody is literally like, you know, valuing me and this is absolutely lovely and beautiful. When I say that to my friends here, I was like, seriously? You've been manager? You wanna be a mom? I was like, oh, wow. You know? Then I stop the conversation straight away. Because you shouldn't be feel guilty, like, to say something like that. Being like, you know being a mom I think is the hardest job in life. It is. And it's the most noble job in life. And it's myself I'm part of my mother. I mean, I don't know how she's surviving that for the last 33 years. Right? So
[01:04:04] Unknown:
It's it's incredible. Well, I think too, Tanya, like, you've obviously taken, you know, a lot of opportunities in your twenties to go experience the the work world and know what it's like to make money and know what it's like to be in this this zone. So the way that I perceive you, and tell me if I'm wrong, is you've got a foundational skill set of the ability to land on your feet if something does go wrong, if you decide, I'm gonna be a mom and I'm gonna get married and do this whole thing. And then for some reason, God forbid, you have to go back and take care of, like, the finances and take care of, like, being in the workforce versus just coming straight out of, you know, out of high school and then getting pregnant and then having no no ability to support yourself.
You know? And I think that's an interesting dilemma that younger women face. You know? Because it's like we want the feminine energy to be nourished and we want families to flourish, but we also, like we want women to be able to take care of themselves if there's not a capable man or, God forbid, they die or whatever happens, you know, or there's abuse. You know? And so it's very important that there's a harmony within the woman, you know, to be able to go out and do that. But if if if you want the opportunity to be home and be a mom and stay at home with your children and raise your family, then that's, I think, the most important goal on Earth, you know? And I was blessed to get to do that, you know? Now that my kids are old enough, so I'm like, Okay, I get to go back out and kind of reinvent all the skills that I've had. I mean, I've started companies, but it was like my ex husband was way better at running stuff than me. I'm more like, hey, let's do this. It'll be great. And, you know, like, I'm I'm the visionary idea girl and and there's a lot of room that people need that. But do you feel like, do you feel like you're gonna find your mister Bitcoin burrito man in in the community? That's what I call that's what I call the the my my man who is out there somewhere.
And, yeah.
[01:06:13] Unknown:
Well, I think if I don't find it in the Bitcoin community, then I'm lost.
[01:06:18] Unknown:
I know. Like, I can't date a normie.
[01:06:21] Unknown:
No. No. It's like Forget it.
[01:06:23] Unknown:
Yeah. No. They don't get it. Like, they don't understand. You know? And God bless you. Anyone who's listening, if you're a normie, you're not gonna be forever. But, it's like But it's difficult to because, like, once it's like you're you get unplugged from this matrix fiat system. Yeah. And then you go back in and you try to have intimacy with somebody who doesn't get you're just like They just yeah. No. No. Fuck no. No. And no. It's just you know? Because we're mission driven people. You know? And once we get on this, like, journey even more deeply, you're just like, oh my gosh. I can't, you know. I wanna help people, but I can't be intimate with somebody and build a life with somebody who's light years behind,
[01:07:07] Unknown:
you know, the Yeah. Thing and doesn't get I don't know. That's just it's such it's a total turn off. No. It is. It is. And, no, it has to be, like, you have to be on the same level, like, you know, especially on the values you Big time. Is so important. Family goals and I can't fool myself. Like, you know, I'm not like, like, you know, I mean I'm in Berlin. It's like the worst
[01:07:33] Unknown:
city to actually look for a life partner. It's horrible. Are there any good cities? Because every woman I talk to who's younger and single and who would love to have a family, they're like, my city sucks. So I'm just curious for all of my lady friends out there who are on a mission to be moms, where are the men who want to be? I don't know.
[01:07:54] Unknown:
Life partners. I'm just curious. I don't know. It's like I have no idea but is I think if it's like if it's happening if it's happening, And I really right now, I really believe that for the first time. So I'm and like for me is if my partner, I don't know, lives in South America, hell, I move there. I mean, what do I have to lose? You know, I take my parents with me. That's fine. Awesome.
[01:08:20] Unknown:
I know. Well, and that's what's neat, you know, about this world is we can go live in all these different places and work remotely. And Yeah. You know, we're all I always considered even when I was young, I'm like, everyone's an entrepreneur. Even if you have a w two. You know, we have w twos in the states, like, if you have a salary, you know, at a company. Because you're selling your services for exchange of money. You know? And so whether it's to a company or to individual clients or whatever. So it's like, when you can develop an entrepreneurial mindset, you can do anything on earth. Yeah. Anything, anywhere, you know.
Your mind is the only limit that you have, you know. And so, so I think that's super cool. Well, let's, I wanna wrap up because we're a little over the hour. And thank you so much. And I'm just I I again, coming back to is it love or is it self abuse? You know? And it's like sometimes I think people, like you said, when the feelings get too big, sometimes we wanna numb out. You know? And we don't wanna be present. We wanna just keep chugging along and avoid sitting with the discomfort of the truth. And so, unfortunately, it does lead to substances sometimes.
And in this book I'm writing called Snap Goes Mommy, about my giant shit show of explosion and, you know, I call them the 5 d's. It's diamonds, drugs, digital, donuts, and dicks. And so I know. I got I I I can't stop. They come out of me all the time. And thanks, God. Glory to you. But, yeah, I just feel like we're we have all these coping mechanisms that we're trying to fill up this soul hole, you know? And the soul hole is the connection with God, the connection with each other, you know, and the connection with our true self. And so when we're in this fake operating system, those things mask that discomfort, you know? And so it can look like self abuse, but it's really it's medicate you were just self medicating.
You know? We're seeking relief from from what that inner gut feeling is the same, like what you were talking about when you you just knew. You just you know. You know? And it creates anxiety. It creates tension. It creates all of these things in our health. And so, you know, for anybody listening, like, what would you say, what would you say to somebody listening right now who might be in a situation that you you were found yourself in, where you felt like you weren't living your truth and you were starting to medicate too much in a way that was compromising your health?
[01:11:07] Unknown:
Like, in terms of, like, a relationship
[01:11:10] Unknown:
or Anything. Could be a job. Could be a relationship. It could be anything that you're, you know, that is is you're on you know that you're not living your truth somehow and you're medicating in any of those 5 Ds.
[01:11:24] Unknown:
I mean, I was always thinking, if I leave that situation, job, relationship, whatever, what is the worst case? What would happen? Like, literally, what is the worst case? And if you break that down it's actually not bad because nobody's gonna die. Like you always have a network like your family, your friends, who- like- or someone or even it's your dog, your cat, I don't know who are there for you. Yeah. And that is like right now when there's something I always ask myself like what's the worst thing? What's gonna happen? Okay. I could be broke. I could not have have any money. Okay. Well, I will not sleep on the street so probably somebody else is helping me out but you will find a solution. If you really really really want something you will find a solution. I mean, I wrote an entire book. I know. Like It's so good. I mean, like, I'm not I'm not a I'm not a writer. Like, you know, I wasn't writing at all. Like, I don't have a gift. Like, you know, so. Yes, you do.
[01:12:40] Unknown:
Please don't do that. Yes, you do. Own your gift. Own it, sister. High five yourself. You have a gift. This is a gift. But I'm not JK Rowling, right? You know, like Comparison it is not. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Valerie.
[01:12:55] Unknown:
Thank you, Valerie. Yeah. If you want something, then it's the very thing. So and yeah. And if you cannot look yourself in the mirror anymore because something feels off. Yeah. Change something. Yeah. It's important.
[01:13:09] Unknown:
I love I love that piece of advice about what's the worst thing that can happen, you know. And and, Tim Ferris talks about doing, you know, a fear board. A lot of us do vision boards. I love vision boards, but it's like, what's your fear board? You know, what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of growing old? Most of it, it's always about growing old and dying alone with nobody. It always if you keep going down why and why and why and why, it's always gonna be dying in the street gutter with little chipmunks eating your eyeballs out, and you're all alone. Nobody knew you were there. Wow.
That's the biggest fear of every human being. You know? It's being all alone and dying alone that nobody even knows that you're suffering. You know? And and it you know, I've been there, done that, felt like nobody would care if I left Earth and that they would actually be better off without me and all my nonsense and all my emotions and all my pain and trauma. And it's untrue, you know? And like you said, there's always somebody, including you, who can help you move forward and not have to be in that place of suffering and silence, You know? But because our egos are there and we're strong, powerful people, you were a manager, you were up in this, you know, elite real estate, you're the one who helps other people. So, oh, gosh, if I have to raise my hand and ask for help, what must be wrong with me? It's like you're called being a human. And so you know what I mean? Like, nobody is immune from being a human. You know? Nobody. You know? And everybody has different thresholds and tolerances for how much, how much they can take, you know, in any area of life. And a lot of times, it all happens all at once. You know, it's just kind of how the dominoes fall. And so there's no shame in asking for help, you know? And so those three words will save your life for sure. You know? Yeah. Definitely. It's super duper important. And are you going to write another book? And I wanna share I wanna show the cover super quick. Like, remember when we first met? Oh, my gosh. That was so that was insane.
[01:15:18] Unknown:
Yeah. It was insane. Tell everybody if you remember because I Yeah. I remember like when we had our first conversation, I think that was like 6 or 8 weeks ago. So quite a long time ago. I was showing you my book cover because I was very proud I wrote the book and then you were like, Oh my god. I was like, What? And you were just like jumping out of the room. Like, She's gone. Where'd she go? Where'd she go? And then you came back with that card. It was like, see that? There's a snake. It's the serpent card. Yeah. The serpent card. It's like, I knew today
[01:15:57] Unknown:
I will see it somewhere, and now I see your book cover. And there was like yeah. It was crazy. And I wore my snake pants, and I have, like, a pair of snake yoga pants. And so I was like, I'm just gonna keep looking, you know, and that happens. Like, things come in threes for some reason. Like and it's just like, woah. What does snake energy mean? And so tell people why you chose a snake for the book cover. Like, all wrapped wrapped around you and the, you know, the character.
[01:16:23] Unknown:
Yeah. So because I was a kind of a snake and if if if you can hold it up a little bit, I was just like like, you can see it was like it's around my throat, it's around my arms. I'm I'm like in a kind of cage, you know. She's, like, around me. I cannot, like, you know, let let her go. So, yeah. I'm I'm in prison, kind of.
[01:16:52] Unknown:
Interesting. And so so because they think of, like, a cobra. Right? If it wraps itself around you, it could squeeze you and kill you. And then you also think about a snake. A couple more symbolisms for snakes is obviously shedding its skin, You know? And that's a very powerful thing because what you went through, you were shedding your old skin. Right? And also, I think of, you know, the Kundalini, the snake energy, the serpent energy that goes up through our, our chakras and our body. And so I think it's really it's just amazing that you chose that and then that happened that day. I mean, I just think It was really cool. Like, I don't know how and why. Like, I have all these different cards. I love cards. I love art. I love words.
But they show up, and they they they have meanings. And so it's like, okay. I'm supposed to listen, and it's not woo woo. It's just tuning into like, I was watching this thing about quantum physics and light the other day, and, you know, I like watching stuff. I'm not that smart on it, but I like it because I'm like, I know some of it sticks. But but we think about the spectrum of light. Right? And we only see literally, like, this much is visible light that the human eyes can actually see, but it doesn't mean that that entire spectrum isn't present all the time. You know what I mean? And so if you have the right instruments, you can tune into the different types of lights and the different frequencies. And so I think with, you know, spiritual practices and different ways of being in these different dimensions of light, it's like just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. And so I feel like sometimes we're getting opportunities of communication and divinity through music, through art, through language, through our bodies, through this, you know, energy field, the soup, the oneness. And so I wouldn't ever discount those things.
Just in closing up, what's one spiritual practice that you have that you could share with people that you use to, whether it's spiritual practice or power practice, meditation, anything? Do you obviously write? What what can you tell people that would be helpful for them?
[01:19:04] Unknown:
Like, I start my day very slowly. So I try to, like, the first, like, hour not to, like, go on my phone. Cool. And literally every morning at least do a meditation for 10 minutes. To just because, like, I'm busy and, like, I'm also sometimes very stressed. And and and if I don't like, yesterday, for example, I needed yoga and I knew I can't practice by myself because I'm so woo woo woo. So I booked myself into a class. So because then I can't leave. And it was a yin yoga so it's even like, Holy shit! You cannot leave! So, yeah. So I do, yeah, I do a lot of yoga and, meditation and breath work. I love breath work so much. It's like It's like psychedelic sometimes. It can get you in different zones for sure. Exactly. It's like, yeah.
That's what I do. But I think everybody has to like find out their own tools. Like, you know. And like a lot of people are always saying, Oh, I can't meditate. Well, sure. Me neither. I mean, thoughts are always coming up. My to do list is always coming up. It's like, Of course, I can't meditate. It's like, Who can? Like, who is sitting down there? It was like,
[01:20:28] Unknown:
now, I'm so zen. It was like, yeah, it's always challenging. It is challenging. I know. And I think people have this illusion with meditation that it's supposed to be like, you empty your mind. No, you don't. That's impossible. There's no such thing as an empty mind. It's taking out it's changing your perspective and being an observer instead of attached in the mind. And so that's, I think, something that's an interesting realization when you're doing practices. And like you said, like some people walking meditation is very powerful versus sitting meditation or chanting is more effective. And so you have to be like, I call it being a love hacker.
Like, how do you hack all your best version of yourself? You have to be an experimenter and try stuff. And, yeah, this is cool. Great. I'll go deeper. This doesn't fit. This feels stupid. And don't. Keep doing it. There's no right or wrong way to keep growing yourself as an individual. So I think it's really powerful. Well, okay. So where everybody can find you, Tanya, obviously, you're gonna be in all these places. You're gonna have El Salvador, Argentina, and Brazil.
[01:21:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And we'll be there. So it's gonna be a back to back tour, like, kicking off on Sunday. I'm so excited to escape Berlin's winter. And I'm actually not going back until mid January. So I was like, woah.
[01:21:53] Unknown:
Oh, dude. I'm so happy for you. I wanna come visit somewhere warm with the ocean and the breeze. Okay. So you're gonna be doing the Nostra booth. Right? So everybody who's listening, watching, you guys can go check out Nostra booth at geyser.fund, project and the nosterbooth initiative. You can follow Tanya on x. I'm gonna put everything on the show notes, guys, too. And you can follow Tanya on Noster, at tanya, t a n j a. Anything else? Last words for everybody? Oh, and then just you guys, if you wanna submit a story, obviously, you know, Tanya's ability to write, I think it was very cathartic for you, obviously very healing. A lot of people have a lot of stories to tell about their breakdowns, you know, but they don't wanna put their name on it and they wanna do it anonymously, which is totally fine and safe. And so I'm creating a collection of stories that people wanna submit their before and after, what happened, did they, you know, go through a divorce, did they go to rehab, did they lose their business, did they, you know, anything, you know, that involves breaking and a breakdown. And so, this is something super important. The idea is kind of like chicken soup for the soul. And so, I want people, whoever wants to contribute, when we publish these things, we're going to use splits and lightning splits and noster and Bitcoin and pay people that way so we can also orange peel new people and then get people in perpetuity getting, you know, zaps and splits and anything that comes from the sale. So this is going to be a really cool project. So if you guys have something you want to contribute, it'll be ongoing so you can contribute 20 stories.
This will be probably a lifelong project that I continue to nurture. And yeah. So you guys can go to djvaleriebeloved.comforward/snap and submit your story today. Alright, Tanya. Well, thank you so much and I look forward to meeting you one day in person. I'm really excited. And thank you, Alex, for introducing us. Like, that's so nice. He's definitely been a great connector and such a supporter of Definitely. Of people coming together and I really, really value him. We don't agree on everything philosophically, but that's okay. Like, you don't have to, you know.
[01:24:08] Unknown:
I mean, he connected us, right? Now he's I know. And it's just
[01:24:13] Unknown:
I think this is what, you know, and I made a post today because I found out today somebody, a friend of mine, his daughter's in rehab and, you know, she's trying to exit the planet, you know? And I think of all the division that's going on right now, especially in, you know, the United States with all the politics and all the bullshit. And it's just like, you guys, this stuff is temporary. All the politics stuff is temporary. It's nonsense. And so your family, your loved ones, the people that you care about, like, that's where your laser beam focus needs to be. All this other stuff is is just it's no it's noise and it's negative. You know? And it's like, yeah, go out and do some change and work for freedom, but like, don't lose your family and your relationships over all the bullshit, you know? And so I just really want people to stay focused on keeping their vibrations very, very high and staying healthy and getting sunshine and focusing on the gratitude for the relationships that we have in our lives, you know. They're priceless, you know.
That's true. Doctor. So God bless everybody and thank you so much, Tanya. You guys seriously have to go get this book. It is extraordinary, the extraordinary between drugged and fucked. So go get it, read it, you'll love it. And I'm going to go leave a review on Amazon now. Yes, please. It's true. You have to leave reviews for authors. It helps a lot. It's super important. So I'm gonna go do that. And, and again, thanks, Tanya. And I'm gonna have everything in the show notes. And again, you're the best and congrats for turning your life around. I know it wasn't easy and it's it's always a lifelong journey. So thanks. Thank you, Mylionov. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Alright, everybody. Peace, love and warm aloha. Until next time. We'll see you.
Introduction and Guest Welcome
Meet Tanya Bechtel: Author and Event Manager
The Journey to Writing 'The Extraordinary Between Drugged and Fucked'
Life in London: Success and Breakdown
Healing Journey: From Breakdown to Self-Discovery
Unlearning and Self-Acceptance
Finding Passion in Event Management
Introduction to Nostr: Freedom of Speech and Decentralization
Nostr vs. Traditional Social Media Platforms
Community and Hope in the Nostr and Bitcoin World
Reflections on Love and Self-Abuse
Embracing Feminine Energy and Future Aspirations
Advice for Those Struggling with Self-Truth
Spiritual Practices and Personal Growth
