The Art of Debate: Navigating Verbal Combat and Rhetoric
OnlyFans and the Red Pill: Unpacking Modern Masculinity
Education and Identity: Rethinking Learning and Social Media
Sports and Society: Fair Play or Entertainment Spectacle?
Debating the Debate: Skills, Strategies, and Societal Impact
In this episode, we dive into the world of debates and the intricacies of verbal combat. We explore the challenges of debating, especially when faced with opponents who use tactics to derail discussions and provoke emotional responses. The conversation highlights the importance of honing rhetorical skills and understanding different debate formats to effectively communicate and engage with audiences.
We also discuss the impact of platforms like OnlyFans on relationships and society, examining how they affect perceptions of value and the dynamics between men and women. The conversation touches on the red pill movement and its implications for modern masculinity, questioning whether it truly empowers men or contributes to societal issues.
Additionally, we delve into the role of education in shaping young minds, debating the effectiveness of current schooling systems and the potential benefits of alternative learning methods tailored to boys and girls. The discussion extends to the influence of social media on personal identity and the pressures of maintaining an online presence.
Finally, we touch on the world of sports and the controversies surrounding fairness and integrity in professional leagues. The episode is a thought-provoking exploration of various societal topics, encouraging listeners to reflect on the values and systems that shape our lives.
(00:01:24) Introduction and Debate Preparation
(00:02:14) Challenges in Public Speaking and Debating
(00:05:04) Debate Strategies and Rhetoric
(00:07:54) Verbal Combat and Debate Formats
(00:14:07) Upcoming Debates and Topics
(00:22:20) Esoteric Knowledge and Public Exposure
(00:32:00) The Role of Esotericism in Society
(00:40:41) Education Systems and Gender Differences
(00:52:24) Cultural Identity and Segregation
(01:04:23) The Impact of OnlyFans and Online Attention
(01:16:19) Red Pill Ideology and Its Effects
(01:34:53) Social Media and Privacy Concerns
(01:47:09) Sports, Entertainment, and Fairness
(01:56:03) Upcoming Debates and Closing Remarks
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Unknown:
Here we go. You're metal, dude. Dudes, 7, 8, 5,
[00:00:47] Unknown:
4, 3, 2, 1, fight. Yo, winner.
[00:01:05] Unknown:
Love it on repeat. Little pan pipe, and then just add more to it so it never quite ends, and you never know if you're ready to start the debate or not. Every time, I'll just add a little bit of extra randomness at the end so you won't know if we're starting or not. We are live.
[00:01:26] Unknown:
We are. And recording.
[00:01:30] Unknown:
We are live. A lot has happened. We are debating. Shout out to the verbal combat crew. All of them, except for that one person. You know who you are. Is that your Friday night habit, Balderson?
[00:01:53] Unknown:
The it's, you know, it's like, you know, when a comedian's gotta figure out how to do things, because the thing is is, and and I'm aware of this as, Andrew Wilson has accepted a debate with me, and I'm aware I am not a a practice debater. And even when I started public speaking, one of the hardest parts of that for me, it wasn't the information. I've got the information down. The rhetoric was an issue for me, the communication with other people, and then understanding the different levels of communication, like, in these debate formats. Like, sometimes, like, when I go to debate Andrew, you know, you're gonna bring your your, your best game, your most well researched stuff. Some of that stuff, that's so far above people's heads that they don't even get it. And did you really win the point? Now, like, he was on Raging Tomato the other day, and they had a little after talk. And one of the guys somebody asked him how much of the debate he understood, and he said about half.
And, you know, and they still assume Andrew won because of his personality and whatnot and because of the general feel of the way things go, you know, where he just kinda dominates over top of them. But even if somebody had made a more nuanced argument that was better, they wouldn't get it. So at some point in time, you've gotta learn it, you know, at the different shows and who the audiences are. So it's it's an interesting thing, and the rhetoric's something I need to work on. And the only way to work on that is to put yourself out there and, see how people react.
[00:03:38] Unknown:
It really is the speed of the debate and these verbal combat. They give you a timer, and it's just a small window of time to get your points out and how frustrating it is when the point that you're trying to argue is now not even in anyone's focus. It sort of becomes some other thing to derail the thing as fast as you can to get people angry and frustrated and emotional, and that's just the worst way
[00:04:05] Unknown:
to engage in a debate, but it happens. But it's something that you have to practice at because you are gonna get hit with things like that. And if you don't go practice and don't take some don't take some else, you're not gonna be good at it. You can imagine you these debate points, you're gonna eloquently make them in the situation all you want. But the fact is is when you're put in the hot seat, that's a different story, baby.
[00:04:32] Unknown:
Especially if you know that you're on a clock, you know, like, if you were saying that the amount of time you have to lay out your points, really not a lot. So you have to have a previously honed argument before you're going in.
[00:04:50] Unknown:
Exactly. It can't be a it can't be a a a 12 point dissertation. You've gotta boil it down to what are the things that people are most likely gonna, resonate with. So which thing out of my 12 point dissertation, if I say say it in a standalone fashion, are people gonna go, oh, well, that makes sense even though they don't know anything about what I'm talking about. So then not only that, but now now that I've honed in on that, I've gotta now flesh that out a little further since that's what's gonna catch their attention. So you end up doing a fluff piece rather than eloquently speaking about a point, which is what you would hope debate would be, but that's not always gonna be the case. It just depends on what format you're in and who you're debating, and you have to be ready for all of it.
[00:05:42] Unknown:
Sure. And if you're trying to put a leash on someone to take them from point a to b to c and c is your victory, and you can't even get to point b in the debate, then that's gonna be a a real problem. And I noticed that a lot with some of these just for fun debaters where they'll make a premise and then they'll ask a question like, well, are you the authority or something? Or they'll throw you off and then we notice this. I won't say the debate. It's just in general, if someone makes an appeal to authority, and then the next 5 minutes are spent on, is it okay to appeal to authority or who is the authority or this type of thing? It's not even debating directly the point of the topic, and it's just so tiresome.
So if we're likening this to a box match or a UFC match where you you know, you're gonna go 3 rounds in the 1st round. You're not gonna hit anybody. The second round, you're not gonna hit anybody. And you're waiting for the 3rd round to do a total knockout unless you've extended your stamina to the point where you've worn out your opponent's stamina where they are just exhausted and tired and mentally not fit to fight, well, then that's not even really a debate. That's more of just like your mom is still fat. You can't argue me your mom's doing that.
[00:07:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well and that's what I've always hated about the whole YouTube debate scene, and it's been refreshing, you know, to, 1, be a part of this show where it's not like that. But, also, there there's a handful of other people that just do debate in the tradition of have a prompt, have an affirmative, have a negative, present your best argument, and, you know, that that's it, but it's a longer form. With the rapid fire stuff, it has almost the immediate potential to turn into 2 dipshits arguing over the definition of a word until one of them rage quits.
[00:07:43] Unknown:
So are we debating the merits of, verbal combat type format where it is just very visceral and emotional and quick witted?
[00:07:54] Unknown:
I mean, it's clickbait debate.
[00:07:56] Unknown:
Right? The the fact is is is some of the people, no matter what, that you debate are gonna debate in that style. And so if you can't debate if you can't hold yourself against that, like the like the other other on Friday, I debated, and I had to go against the the person using the weird affectation and doing had a little Furby with a moving mouth that was, like, all weirded out and everything and really just trying to get under my skin. You know? And the fact is is I I I can't let that happen. So while I don't think that on any kind of an actual I'm not trying to actually win debates when I'm over there over there. They're all Andrew fans. It like like, the one dude made an Andrew argument, and it doesn't matter how you argue against that. That was an Andrew argument. They're like, oh, no. It was handed down by God.
And so, they, they they you know? So no matter how outlandishly they do it and so it's it's not that I'm trying to win. It's just the again, the practice. If you can't get in and do some scrap and and then, how are you gonna hold yourself, like, say, Andrew decides to do some blood sport debating and starts to do that a little bit. Well, if you can't handle it and you lose your shit and break, you lost your shit and broke. And once again, you can think you can stand up to that, but if you aren't gonna willing to put yourself in that and and bang it out some, you're not gonna be good at it and you don't know if you can do it. Hail. It's like an old fellow in the game. Like a comedian.
[00:09:38] Unknown:
Like a comedian who has to, in real time, deal with hecklers. And now as a debater Exactly. The entire chat room is against you, and they're all heckling you. And then everyone on camera is also hating you and heckling you. So you have no one on your side. You're absolutely standing on your own 2 feet, and your ability to maintain focus and resolve and have the courage to carry on and not just rage quit. That's the easiest way to win a debate is to get everybody else to rage quit and you're the last man standing. But that's not gonna last for very long.
[00:10:18] Unknown:
Well, and for me, it was I needed to be able to hold my shit and not get irritated and let it get under my skin. And so for me, that was the thing for that night. That irritated the shit out of me. And I was already slightly off kilter because Andrew did show up, and I made an intelligent argument with him. And him and I just about had an intelligent back and forth, which completely devolve this. 6 other dudes started just saying whatever. And and that is the way a panel show goes, so that I'm not mad about it, but it and I was frustrated because I would rather do more of what our style is. But, again, I have to be used to this and have to be able to respond and react to it without losing my shit. So
[00:11:01] Unknown:
get in and bang. We're talking specifically about a program on your
[00:11:06] Unknown:
ideas for verbal combat.
[00:11:09] Unknown:
Verbal combat. Combat with a k. They have this sort of mortal combat theme. It's it's pretty cool. We've released That is super cool the way he does that. 16 minute call to the deliberating dog face YouTube channel. Balderson and verbal combat round 37. Open panel blood sports debate. That is round 37. I think last week was, what, round 38 or 9 or something. So it's been a little while, and they continue to do that on Friday night. So we'll continue to shout them out. They're having a great, place for us to hang out and practice. A little bit different from our format. But, again, that's Friday night, and it's fun. So shout out to the verbal combat guys on the panel.
And maybe, some of them will join us.
[00:11:56] Unknown:
Yeah. We'll ask some of them guys to debate us in a little more of the, better I think, a a little more intelligent format. Some of them. But, yeah. No. That there's some good guys, and it's a lively crew. They're they're hilarious.
[00:12:12] Unknown:
And just to not have someone or 3 other people talking over you is a bit of a a difference. So to have 3 other people talking over you and practically turning up your gain on your microphone and getting in real close and just being louder than everybody else is a tactic. I don't know if that's intentional or not. I think for some people it is.
[00:12:34] Unknown:
It makes me come off angry.
[00:12:37] Unknown:
Well, we can't hear you because you sound real soft and far away.
[00:12:47] Unknown:
That's funny. Oh, So okay. So in in line with what you guys are talking about, what tonight show is is we're going to take prompts from you guys, and we'll run it around the horn a couple of times. You let us know in the chat, who you think is presenting the better argument, and then one of us gets to punch the other one in the titty or something like that. I'm not quite sure what the last part is. I think the word is scrommating.
[00:13:29] Unknown:
1st person scrommet loses.
[00:13:32] Unknown:
Alright. Does that involve, like, cap shots or something like that? It's the joyous of both of these.
[00:13:42] Unknown:
Also, while you guys are doing this, part of why we don't have anything set up tonight is because I'm on the road still. I will be home by next week. They I damn it. I will be home by next week.
[00:13:55] Unknown:
And there's Justin next week.
[00:13:57] Unknown:
Next week, we're gonna have GLO who was, the head dude for you you list his, stuff there, Marcus.
[00:14:08] Unknown:
GLO is a published author, been around in the red pill community, the manosphere for a very long time, has his own unique perspective on all of this, and we're ready to engage in some helpful and useful enlightening debate about wisdom and pillars and these types of ideas.
[00:14:29] Unknown:
Oh, I believe, assuming he accepts that force now that he's gonna come with next week, I think we're gonna try and do, what is an alpha male, especially given his position in the in the manosphere, and then, whether the red pill is harmful to to men. And so, there's aspects of that that I think, you know well, I mean, we'll we'll find out about the debate. There's things Person to person debate, and it could be framed in a number of different ways.
[00:14:59] Unknown:
He has this idea of this occult wisdom, and then maybe maybe some of the red pill ideas fall within an idea of that itself being occult knowledge. So if you teach men how to have sexual relations with women, in some ways, that's dangerous knowledge. So should that be made available to every man and every woman?
[00:15:20] Unknown:
Should we start out there while the chat builds up, things and kind of practice for what we're gonna do next week a little bit and work out our rhetoric.
[00:15:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Those were kind of the topics of the first three, four episodes of deliberating dog faced dudes where we were taking in some red pill kinda talking points, and maybe there's some comments we go over from those videos.
[00:15:45] Unknown:
Why why don't we start with Steve? Steve, what it what is an alpha male? We'll start out with these things that we're gonna talk about next week a little bit as the chat fills up and gives us some debate topics.
[00:15:57] Unknown:
Okay. So, I I think that, you know, there's a a handful of different qualities and, I guess, categories of people that would qualify for that. But mostly, it's, you know, a man who is 100% in possession of his thoughts, his will, his awareness of how to navigate different pitfalls that may come your way, that you're someone who, you know, maintains yourself, your where you live, how you live, and sets an example for other people for how to have a decent fucking work ethic, and drive, and the ability to love and take care of your family and someone who is capable of extreme violence in rare situations.
[00:17:06] Unknown:
So from the way I see it, a true alpha male, the epitome of man is a husband. And I don't mean this in the simp fashion of of trying to simp to women. I mean this in in every aspect of life. When I when I take on that position of I'm a landowner and I'm a landholder, I'm a husband to that land. And that means that I'm the one overseeing it. I'm making sure no harm happens to it. All the best things that that land deserves to make it thrive and flourish, I do in exchange with that land. That's a husbandry thing. Every animal I have invited to live on my land, I I try to provide the very best of conditions.
I I give them the best of food. I go around and I make sure that they're feeling okay. I keep an eye on them. I'm aware of their habits and the things that they do. If they're walking funny, if they're acting funny, I'm aware of that. That's a that's a husbandry thing. And with my wife, the same applies, that, I react to her the same way. I'm protectful. I'm providing. I make if there's something wrong with her, I I I notice. Like, when she's not acting right, all these things are are the epitome of husbandry. And when I when there's a problem on the farm, I tell you what, the alpha male, the herd of each of the packs, because I have multiple different packs, the herd sire, what's up, William? You need to hit that StreamYard link and get your butt in here.
The, or give us some good subjects at the very least. When, the when there's a danger, like, even the alpacas, which is strictly a prey animal, literally, it spits and does this little sidekick at you that stings. The the head alpha male, when there's a problem, he charges forward and everything else groups up and and starts moving its way back away from that. And he starts doing this super high pitched scream until I come running. And then I am the alpha male and I'm the one in front, and he stands behind me. It's just how it is. So the husbandry to me in every way is the epitome of man, and everything that is underneath that, all the other males, they are not the alphas.
[00:19:48] Unknown:
So with that statement, I wonder if the definition or rather the perception of what an alpha male changes. So for a man who's not yet a husband, who is not yet a homeowner, or owning a business or a career, at that point in a young man's life is the idea of an alpha male some sort of, an aspiration. So the idea of an alpha male to someone who is not yet an alpha male is to achieve alpha male dom to become that alpha male.
[00:20:25] Unknown:
That that's why you give them and you need to put your your description, not ask us questions, Marcus. You're supposed to do yours next. It's But this is this is this is also why, well, thank you then. Building the rhetoric. Mhmm. This is why you take young boys when you are the alpha male, and you do things like get them a dog and make them take care of that dog. And when they don't wanna go out and clean its poop or feed it or whatever, you make sure it does that. And when they don't do that kind of thing, like, say, they didn't feed their dog today, you take away their food. Well, you're hungry? How do you like that? Well, then understand your dog also doesn't like that. This is the epitome of husbandry. You need to have empathy toward the other things that you're the husband of. And if they aren't feeling good and their life isn't right, then you need to make it right. And they need to start those lessons young because that's not a natural thing for people to care more about other people, especially in such a hedonist society that we have today. And in my opinion, a lot of what the red pill is preaching turns men into hedonists.
[00:21:38] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm trying to answer Marcus's question in the the private chat. Sure. I know. Sure. We're And I have Internet bars of death. I'm hella un unreliable with the bandwidth right now. I don't know why. But, yeah, we're live on the Slow News Day. Rockin', the AM wake up odyssey, and the AM wake up bit shoot right now.
[00:22:03] Unknown:
Okay. Perfect. Yeah. Just wanna know where we might expect some questions to come in, Sharon. There there's a couple in the rocks then. Okay.
[00:22:14] Unknown:
Let's see. Might not be, the the show for this. I don't know. Maybe it is. Should you fight esotericism with more esotericism, or is that playing into their hand? That's the question. You wanna go with do anybody wanna take a 1st
[00:22:36] Unknown:
the first, I would like to first, I would like to clarify where the general is the general public, should they be particularly exposed to the esoteric and at least have it heavily explained in the ways that we're trying to do esoteric for dummies. Like, should that happen? Should the general public have access to esoteric knowledge?
[00:23:08] Unknown:
Does the question should imply that there are dangers to exposing them? And that it might be a overall a harmful thing. And I think the answer is probably yes. That giving someone, you know, a chainsaw, starting it up for them, and then handing it to them and say, you know, go have fun with this thing. You've never held a chainsaw before. You're not gonna know what to expect with the energy and the feedback and the kickback and all these things. So for that reason, certainly, if you give someone just the most powerful magic and they haven't gone through natural organic progressive steps to achieve levels of that finesse.
Just like in a gym, you know how much weight you can push from a barbell. You're not going to double that weight and then expect to safely handle that type of thing. So then the question might be reframed at this point in the argument to say, do we want to put training wheels on people for them to have Babby's first, Esotericism lesson? And there are many occult bookstores that sell those books. Every book is a 1 on one book. Every author in the field is asked by their editor and by the publisher to write more beginners guides to sort of 1 on one books. You even go into Reddit and then Reddit, the old cult subreddit. All the questions generally are beginner questions that have been asked many, many times before. So people have, a desire to figure this stuff out, but then by pointing out that there is such, tradition as in the western esoteric tradition, a lot of this probably shown them in music videos and movies and, you know, the so called Illuminati gang signs and triangles everywhere and pattern recognition and this type of thing.
So people who have some idea of esoteric symbolism and magical knowledge and these types of things, employ them in their art and whether or not it's weaponized or not, that's a separate debate. People are aware that these ideas exist. They wanna know more about them, but then they become kind of stuck in a consumer loop to say, well, I need to buy this book. And then with that book, it has more questions so they have to buy 3 more books. So really, it becomes kind of a hamster wheel where no one actually says straight out what it is, and then they winking on at you and say, well, that's the mystery. But then so many people do drown in that, and it leads to mental health issues, schizophrenia, the worst types of demonic possession, this type of thing where people just go crazy with this stuff.
So probably a good idea to guard yourself, but that really is, your own decision. And if I tell someone, you know, the stove is hot and the blue flame meditation's burning, and they haven't done it themselves, so they don't know how hot it is or what that means or what a temperature is.
[00:26:26] Unknown:
So I think that, well, 1, I I don't think the general public writ large wants to be exposed to the esoteric information that's available. I think there's going to be, a relatively small. And if you ask me to put a percentage to it, I I don't I don't know if I could. But let's say, for for sake of argument, you know, fit 10, 15%. The entire US population would at some point inquire, but there's the the, you know, inverse to what you're talking about, Marcus. It is that people want to try to unring the bell when shit gets too real. And so the the more you look into that, it can be potentially repellent to a lot of people who first start to inquire about this stuff, especially if they've seen all of the underpinnings that run through the vast majority of people's governments, the vast majority of their civic institutions, the vast majority of their schools or universities.
And so there there's, yeah, the the inverse to, you know, demonic possession and Sure. Complete obsession with all of that is that there's a screening process on the front end pretty quick.
[00:28:12] Unknown:
So that's where you run straight into the glass wall to realize that once an individual is initiated into the mysteries, there is no uninitiation. There's no putting in the toothpaste back in the tube. You might get some of it in there, but you're still gonna have that strange experience. And then you might end up the rest of your life being absolutely gas lit about what happened or what didn't happen. And it just becomes this itching, burning sensation that you're living with, and it's just discomfort all around. And that's really the mystery of it, which probably leads to my next point about why it's Halloween, you know, satanic panic, this type of thing where the idea that all esoteric knowledge, all magic, all witchcraft, wizardry, all of these things somehow are always black magic or always that type of thing.
[00:29:15] Unknown:
So
[00:29:17] Unknown:
so, from my perspective, and this is just, you know, having watched all this for a number of years. For some people, it's gonna be easier to understand from the conspiracy, angles. When it was just a niche of people, sure, people talked about weird things and whatnot, but mostly, the people that were talking were well researched. The things that they were throwing out, yeah, sure. Sometimes they were they're wild, but, they there's at least some backing to it. Now you look at 2020 where we had a giant flood of people join the conspiracy world who know nothing about it, and all of a sudden, they're, like, looking at little little pieces of what all of the rest of us spent years researching and making determinations and then just throwing out whatever because now, like, their reality is just twisted and broke.
And so now all of a sudden, you you you can get drowned out because you don't believe that jets fly off of air and magic or something. And so you get drowned out by a room full of people that are screaming at you even though you've spent years years researching and actually doing work, and it it's absolutely insane. And so when you look at the esoteric world, one of the biggest examples I would use is is this understanding of, the hermaphrodite, the way that that the hermaphroditic aspect of things is brought out so heavily. And so when you look at Mercury, Mercury is not hermaphroditic at all.
Mercury is not is is 0. Mercury is representative of Gunungagap, the the void, the all mother. And so the all mother is is sitting in opposition of the all father. Now the all father is split into a polarity, which gives it a positive side and a negative side. Now because Mercury in and of itself, if you think about a void, which has nothing, well, then if I put positive in there, now it's got a positive aspect. If I put negative in there, it's got a negative aspect. So it's not really a hermaphroditic thing. It's a neuter thing, but really what the, the All Mother is doing is taking in healing the 2 side polarized sides of the All Father and transitioning them and keeping and communicating between those two sides.
And then eventually, if you do the great work marrying those two sides, so there's a reunification of the polarized sides of the all father. But to try and explain all that to somebody who doesn't give a shit, they're just like, oh, I saw a meme, and it says Mercury is this, and now you know? And that's the problem is is the esoteric, the occult was only ever meant for people that truly are serious about it and wanna study it and want and have a, a avid interest in it and are willing to, dedicate a lot of energy and physical time to it and and resources. And this is part of why you weren't even supposed to be able allotted the ability to start, serious esoteric research until you were 40, until you got past all those years where you had to go chasing pussy, getting drunk, you know, you went out and you you made money, you you fed your ego.
Now now now are you gonna continue down that or do you wanna do something else? Do you wanna find the secrets of the universe? Do you wanna make yourself something more? And so that, that that that was for a very few people. And so I don't believe that that's something that the general public should ever have had access to. I think be it's having done having done esotericism for dummies has only made it so they do some really stupid things and and, very similar to the way everybody I know that talks about NLP is the people that are the most, like, influenced by NLP.
You're like, dude, how can you list all this all the conditions, but, like, you fall for every NLP person.
[00:33:47] Unknown:
Very well said. I'm asking myself now, hypothetically, is there a level above alpha male? And with the conversation about magic and esotericism and personal development and neurolinguistic programming, does someone who wants to be an alpha male decide that they could use, initiatorial cult order in some way, read some books, learn magic, and then transcend the alpha male to be the super omega supreme alpha male of the the the king of the witches.
[00:34:26] Unknown:
I think that that would be an extreme minority.
[00:34:31] Unknown:
A very but, like, of course, the potential exists. Sure. Sure. It does. But I think that aspirational. So you aspire to be the supreme alpha male above all of the other
[00:34:43] Unknown:
alpha males. I think that there's so many other shortcuts that exist in terms of products that you can take whether legal or extra legal surgeries that you can have. I think that people would rather take the shortcut, especially if they're of the mindset that, like, oh, I have to be, you know, fucking what the world's tallest midget or however that works.
[00:35:11] Unknown:
The the the Ubermensch I I do believe that that there are there are is a class of of greater men who, in these men, are meant to be leaders. But I also think, and this is a thing that we were talking talking about, was this before the show that we were talking about schools and, yeah, school indoctrination? Yeah. I said I said I would have a debate where I think that the what we consider your, elementary school and your high school, I don't think boys should mostly be involved in. I think that's a feminine thing. It's made for girls. The language arts and things like that, that was always a a feminine thing.
This is boys should be learning trades and learning how to live, learning how to fix things, how to keep infrastructure, the things that they're actually gonna most likely do and make money and succeed at. Girls do much better at, schooling for a reason because it's it's it's their thing, And this is part of where we feminize boys, and we've also taken away the skills where, a boy that would've normally went to work with his dad and gained a skill set, that boy at by the time he's 18, he he is a master compared to the people today where now we get these 18 year old kids, and these kids don't know how to tie their own shoes or or or change a tire.
And then they're out on a construction site, and they're just a danger is what they are. They're a damn danger. And so we've handicapped these boys in order to make in order to feminize them to make sure that they could do something that they're never gonna do anyways. And even the math that we teach them, they can't read a tape measure than when they get out in the field. They can't do calculations off of a blueprint. What math did you teach them? It certainly wasn't functional math. You put that boy out there reading some tape measure, he's gonna have him some functional math. And so, but I also put in the caveat, and this is what brings me around to Marcus's point, that the men that are supposed to be leaders though, that above and beyond the average man, that man definitely needs that secondary types guy, style of schooling. He needs to be representative more of both sides of things and have a higher understanding of things. So absolutely, you could take that one step further to the esoteric where that man would start delving into higher thoughts of philosophy and esotericism.
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Yeah. So that got me thinking about different communication styles. The idea that the socialization that occurs in primary education tends to lead towards people going to college. And now this is where we have, a divergence in the path where a man needs to choose. Do you go into the trades? Do you find an apprenticeship? Do you go to college? Do you try to learn, like, like a communication studies major or psychology or something? And, a male way of communicating is, a demonstration of a skill set. So that would be stand back, I'm going to demonstrate how this works, and then other men can see that, see how it works, and then be able to do that on their own.
Now an anecdote I'll inject here is the fact that a calculator supersedes the needs for using fingers to count fingers and toes for math just as Velcro supersedes the needs for shoelaces. So I'll be an adult male walking around with Velcro shoes for the rest of my life because I don't need to learn to dye my shoe or use mental math or anything because there's other technologies. But then it turns out, now I've just been mugged by other men who can tie their own shoes and can calculate a tip on a date, and those are skills that I didn't learn on my own. So that that was rough, real rough for me. But I did have a female teacher in 2nd grade who said, you know what?
We're gonna focus on tying your shoes. Okay? Wear shoes with laces every day and learn to tie them. So take them off, set the laces, and then learn step by step to, with nimble fingers, move your fingers. This is a skill set. This is a hands on demonstration of learning. So I did have a female teacher who helped me in 2nd grade tie my shoes. By 3rd grade, I could I could run-in them. I wasn't tripping over my my loose shoelaces, this type of thing. So there are some good female teachers, Balderson. I don't know if we wanna argue if
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men Well, I I I wasn't saying I wasn't saying that there isn't good female teachers. That's not the the that I'm saying that the school system in and of itself and this the way the schooling is feminine in its aspects. We're going out and working in the field to and gaining your trade through your hands in an apprenticeship type, fashion is a masculine way of doing things. And that we are forcing young boys to develop a feminine before they've developed their masculine. And some of them boys are never gonna use or need the feminine. They're just confused. They do badly in school. They just end up working on a construction site anyways. Why aren't you allowing them boys to be skilled men when they come out at 18 and be far advanced in the things that they were always gonna do? Why are you forcing them to do something that isn't natural for most boys? There's a reason that little girls like my granddaughter, she's 4 and you can't shut her up. She has, like, a fucking 3,000 word vocabulary.
It's almost it's like, oh my god. And and all my girls have been like that. And the boys, they're always behind in their speech, but you I tell you what, they can take apart anything and put it half back together half the time, and they can and they're always, girls are very clumsy. Girls have to learn how to have that grace. Boys are typically much more agile, much more aware of their body. Yeah. They hurt themselves a lot more, but that's because they run around taking all kinds of risks and being rough and tumble with themselves. And so, of course, you take a 100 chances, you're gonna get hit on the dinger sometimes.
So that's just the way it is. But the girls, they they my my middle daughter, I swear, she could trip and hurt herself over freaking color changes in the carpet, like, where there's a different spot and she like, what did you trip over? And she just it's all and I know so many girls like that, but boys are naturally, mechanically gifted, physically gifted. They wanna be outside working. To at the end of the day, this is where most men end up going and working anyways. Why are you forcing them to do things that they shouldn't be doing? So I'm not saying that women, I'm not making any kind of a judgment about whether it's a man or a woman doing the teaching.
I'm making a judgment about what style of learning they're putting these children through.
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Okay. I'll push back by stating maybe in college setting, we have something called a liberal arts degree. So at what point should we be exposing 3rd graders to a more liberal arts, giving them a rounded education with gym class and then a science class and then an art class and a music class. And then we talked about the importance of recess, certainly. Is there a a better method of teaching boys versus girls? Should they be separate at at from kindergarten and preschool? At what point should they be in the same room together? At what point should boys and girls be taught separately?
And is that sexist to even say?
[00:43:33] Unknown:
I mean, no. It's fair. There's certainly, you know, all boy and all girl schools and have been for a very, very, very, very, very long time. I there's, depending on, you know, which place you look, the there's a marginal difference in terms of, graduation rate among, like, you know, decent to high performing schools, like, slightly more if the schools are sexually segregated, slightly. But you have to compare that to, you know, well or high performing schools because they do have a nice gradual graduation rate. Sure. For the longest time, you know, there were all girls colleges here in the United States before they started to, to go coed.
And the thinking was you'd be less distracted. What they found is that you'll just go off campus, and go find someone, you know. And so, like, you
[00:44:57] Unknown:
it's at a certain point here though, we're kinda off target with this where I I didn't say separate boys and girls. Boys would learn an entirely different skill set that taking boys and putting them by themselves and still putting them through a feminized learning process with feminine arts is still not gonna make boys accept that any better. Now if you took girls and put them in shop class and made them do nothing but shop class for 12 years, and the boys would obviously exceed the girls in that, and we could be, oh, wow. Boys are so much better at school. I don't even understand why. And so to take that group of boys in the all boys school needs to be doing boy things.
[00:45:41] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the, the school that my my youngest son goes to, they do, like, may I mean, it's coed, but they do mandatory outside shit, and they're doing, like, practical engineering of things. And, it's it's really fucking cool. It is.
[00:46:02] Unknown:
Some of these new schools that they've got are are super cool. They really are. And and, these ones where these, kids can take something more tailored toward them. For as much as I despise California in a lot of ways, I homeschooled my kids, here in California, and they don't care what you're teaching them. Just teach them something. So they did allot me to my boys learned permaculture and mechanics and electricity, and they had to take whole courses and everything. That's how, my friend, Matt Powers, it's been on Crow and been on my show. That's how we met. He was actually, I was taking his courses. Absolutely fantastic.
So, California actually allots that kind of thing, and so that's super it's neat that those schools are starting to come up. But on the general United States purview, or United States, practice, that's absolutely not what's what's happening. You've got, we were just back home where I live. You you go to the public school or you go to the Catholic school. That's your options. And you get taught the same things, basically, except for one includes God.
[00:47:14] Unknown:
So what are the performance metrics to measure progress? And at some point, you know, a high school diploma has certain, the equivalency exam, the GED or high school diploma. Like, a GED is not the same as the high school diploma, but, you know, they're pretty much to say, you've you've crossed this milestone. You've gone through the public education system. Do we have enough of those set up for students? Should there be more of them? Should be less of them? And do we put any stock into performance metrics with, like, standardized, tests?
Minnesota has, graduation standards, this type of thing. Is that with the no child left behind act? And what has been kind of the follow-up from that for better or worse?
[00:48:00] Unknown:
Well, it's definitely been worse. The the no child left behind act started really a floodgate of, complete and total educational destabilization in the country. And what it's done and the fallout from it is that schools don't get to function unless the the students have x amount of graduation rate, which in reality turns into the school grows in bureaucracy to try to solve the problem. And homeowners still pay property tax or still pay a tax for the school based on the value of their property. And that's what funds the schools in most places. So regardless, you as the homeowner are getting screwed whether or not the school performs.
So if you have to put your kid in public school, if you have to, which over the last 4 years has become less and less an option for more and more people in all different facets, whether they're, you know, looking at different charter schools, whether they're looking to homeschool or a homeschool community where it's, you know, handful of at least quasi qualified people to teach 4, 5, 6, 7 year olds. Yeah. Like, I but that's the you know, which really doesn't take much. It really takes patience that I don't have, but
[00:49:44] Unknown:
it doesn't it doesn't take much. Sure. Can I throw out another potential prompt and maybe we'll just make a note of it and move on? We've talked about separating men and women. You know, we had a point in US history where there was segregated schools based off of I don't know. Can we even say that r word? Color of skin, this type of thing, neighborhood type of thing. Oh, because we're on YouTube. Is there a is there a debate to be had about more specific focused groups of people put in certain classrooms that are more similar to what they would look like their brother and sister or cousin in this type of thing?
[00:50:34] Unknown:
Well, I mean, there's absolutely a hot debate to be had about it. But that debate would be more of a historically textured based debate because it did not do well for any of the people when they forced segregation, or desegregation where they started taking because you can talk to people on the on the, East Coast where they were taking kids out of schools and then putting them in other schools in order to force desegregation.
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I I went to a high school like that.
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Yeah. It wasn't good for any
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like, in in in in It was fantastic for our basketball team.
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Right.
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Right. Tell you. But
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but but but it didn't help, you know, the the kids that they did it to nor the kids that went to that school. And it really, was not well thought out. But, again, now that we're in today's society where this segregation, the desegregation has been, very thorough for a very long time, I would state that we the government should not get involved in it at all. And if, the school naturally, the area because there are people that do, like I dated a Russian girl and all the people that she lived around, every house in that neighborhood was owned by a Russian. They shopped at a Russian grocery store. If you wanted coffee, you went to the Russian coffee shop. And there's other ethnicities that do the same thing.
And so if if your school, is that entire ethnicity, I have zero problem with that. Go ahead. I think the government shouldn't step in one way or the other because once they did, it wasn't a good thing. But now that it's been years years for them to go in and meddle again is definitely not gonna make it better. Like, that's a fact.
[00:52:35] Unknown:
We never meddle to make it better. They only meddle to make it worse. It's counterintuitive meddling unless the, you know, societal breakdown is your your goal.
[00:52:50] Unknown:
The thing is the the goal, I would argue, is the mixing of everything. I might call the zendiafication of all Dune remakes going forward.
[00:53:00] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there there's that, but, you know, there's, a lot to an argument at that point for, you know, preserving everybody's cultural identity regardless of Right. Where you rank on the melanin scale. You know, and that's something that, Americans as a national identity, that's been under complete assault for most of my life as far as I can recall. Yeah, there was a you know, there were flashes of it where I've like, we kind of had some shit figured out. I feel like there there were a handful of things that we had mostly solved, you know, in the early in the mid nineties.
And then post 911, it really, really kicked into overdrive. In terms of the fracturing of, you know, cultural identity and then national identity and, you know, not really given sideways damn what somebody's skin color was if they were, you know, down to freaking smoke a joint and not be a dick. You were probably gonna be able to hang out.
[00:54:25] Unknown:
We did get a little bit into this topic before we started recording about the idea of a Taco John's franchise and how some people have never tasted Taco John's before. Is that something I can bring up? Is that safe topic?
[00:54:41] Unknown:
My wife had never eaten Taco John's because, Taco John's is what the Midwest because it it's literally, I believe, Cheyenne, Wyoming is the very first Taco John's is where it's arrived out of. And so, obviously, there was nothing Mexican going on whatsoever. Well, not since the cowboy days. Yeah. And so they call well, in the cowboy days, it was cowboys and Indians, not Mexicans, especially Well, this is the plains Indians. You know? This is the the Lakota the Lakota and the the Lakota and the Dakota. And, and so, this is what white people from the Midwest think Mexican food is. And so that's what we have and and the thing they're most famous for, and this is fucking hilarious.
And because, you know, I'm a white person and despite what they try to portray today, white people do have culture, and they have very varied culture. And potatoes is a very white people thing. And so they have this thing called the potato ole, which is a little tater tot, which what white people would call Mexican seasoning, meaning it has a slight bit of flavor to it. No heat whatsoever. And There's a cumin flavor to it. Yeah. And so that that is the most famous thing from Taco John's, the Mexican place is a potato.
[00:56:01] Unknown:
A deep fried tater tot placed into a burrito with a black olive. So that's an Italian taste with, Irish potato with some refried beans. Taco John's doesn't do rice though, and I think that's a little bit racist of them, But maybe that's a hard stance they have to take to be the west text met west text. What do they call them? Flavored?
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Comparatively.
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Tex Mex.
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Comparatively, Taco John's is probably the most inclusive and diverse fast food restaurant
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in the entire Midwest. I I think they should be applauded for that. Sure. As opposed to something like Dairy Queen where only women are allowed to work there during the summer times.
[00:56:48] Unknown:
Not the one that, in my hometown, man. That Dairy Queen was owned by a freaking just crazy Persian, and he would let literally every derelict on the planet work there.
[00:57:06] Unknown:
Dude, my hometown, like, 12 year old girls would be working at Dairy Queen. And not only would they be paying minor having minors work for them, because in South Dakota, which we we South Dakota, you can work on a farm when you're, like, 5. Yeah. But to get an in city job, you're supposed to be, I think, 14, and they would let 12 13 year old girls and then wouldn't pay them minimum wage. And then when they got busted doing it, they instead of boosting the girls up to minimum wage, they're like, oh, if we give them that much, they'll go crazy. We'll, like, give them 5¢ for, like and then 6 months later, give them 5 more cents. Like like yeah. They go crazy. You start giving them wage. That's a lot of money.
My minimum wage back then was, like, 3.76 or something like that or 45 or it was under $4.
[00:58:02] Unknown:
OG Pablo's in the Rockfins said day o' coffee only hires hot teens.
[00:58:08] Unknown:
Well, I did bring up the Abercrombie and Fitch scandal, apparently. Yeah. The guy, you know, extremely into young men decided that to be an Abercrombie and Fitch model, you would have to sleep with the guy who is in charge of everything. So it turns out that's sacrificing.
[00:58:30] Unknown:
Not a good thing. Yeah. No. That's a a very bad thing. And, it's Whitney Webb pointed it out earlier today, but he's, like, he's been mentored by Les Wexner, who for some reason remains untouchable.
[00:58:52] Unknown:
So is he the most alpha supreme, high wizard, grand lodge, arc, druid type of person, this Lex Wexner? Les Wes Wes Wes Wesner? What's his name?
[00:59:02] Unknown:
Les Wesner. And, I mean, it for whatever reason, you know, yet to really see any of the same treatments that, like, Peter and I got or, a number of other high profile people in the fashion world Okay. Doing the exact same thing. Wexner owned, the limited and all of the affiliate stores, tied to a number of beauty pageants and things like that. And so, Forever 21 too, I think, maybe. But,
[00:59:43] Unknown:
is Abercrombie and Fitch bigger than most? That's with that's we're talking about. Right? It was a pretty huge brand
[00:59:52] Unknown:
in the nineties, maybe, like, early 2000. I it's, as far as I know, it's in, like They never sold them in my local gas station. That's where I got my jeans. Right. Right. Yeah. They were a mall place or, like, a storefront in a city. But yeah.
[01:00:13] Unknown:
We didn't have a mall till I was, like, 17 or yeah. 17. We had the bed we had the the We had a ghetto mall.
[01:00:22] Unknown:
We had a I've never had a ghetto mall. Inside an Abercrombie and Fitch, but I heard that they had the lights out in the store. So it's a very dark store. Steve, have you been into a a Abercrombie and Fitch? I haven't been in too. No. It was well lit, the one that I went into. Okay. I I know that there was some store in the mall, and it wasn't Hot Topic, and it wasn't Spencer's, but inside, the lights were very, very dim.
[01:00:47] Unknown:
Alright. Watch out for that with strip clubs when you're young. Not that I would go to 1 anymore, but when you're young, that's good information if you're being dumb and doing that kind of thing. The low lit ones, avoid.
[01:01:01] Unknown:
Yeah. There's there's 2 ways you can tell. 1 is that way. The other is, how often your feet stick to the floor when you pick them back up. K? So if if
[01:01:16] Unknown:
and and just that's in general. That's spilled drinks. High fructose corn syrup on the floor, but you're suggesting it might be
[01:01:24] Unknown:
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I'm I'm I'm saying spilled drinks would would be overwhelmingly why? It's just and lack of overall cleanliness throughout the shift. Lazy,
[01:01:37] Unknown:
not, you know, mopping the floor. You you you also might want to if there's more than 2 semis outside in the parking lot, also just just
[01:01:48] Unknown:
walk away. There's that thigh bruises on the strippers. That's a a no no. Don't, don't hang out there. Don't do that.
[01:02:04] Unknown:
Those are not razor bumps.
[01:02:06] Unknown:
So these are all arguments in favor of staying home and participating in OnlyFans as opposed to going to dimly lit? No. That's still No sex work.
[01:02:15] Unknown:
And that's I think OnlyFans should be made illegal. I think strip clubs should be too. Okay. Let's get into the OnlyFans a little bit. If you're gonna go to 1, don't go to a dimly lit one. I'm just saying. Right. Right. I know young men's young men are not gonna listen to me when I tell them don't go chasing. They don't listen.
[01:02:42] Unknown:
So OnlyFans, how do we deal with the OnlyFans problem? What's the solution to the OnlyFans epidemic? And what is what is the Bring back Backpage. Make them earn it. Craigslist. It's odd. It's it's odd. It's that way. Yep.
[01:03:02] Unknown:
Steve's killing it tonight. You have to place an advertisement in a paper pier Steve, I'm in a hotel. I have to be quiet. You're making me you know how hard this is? I'm actually might have a fucking heart attack over here, bro.
[01:03:19] Unknown:
Oh, man. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. But, no, I'm not I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. Sure. Because, really, the the two things happened that made, the only fans explode. And one was they shut the entire country down.
[01:03:39] Unknown:
Mhmm. And,
[01:03:40] Unknown:
when that happened, like, either right before or right after they banned Backpage and things like that where you had traditionally been able to if you were so inclined to go freaking rant your pussy out.
[01:03:59] Unknown:
Okay. So churches close on Sunday and instead broadcast to Zoom and live streamed, whereas the same thing happened with gentlemen dance establishments with exotic overtones. They went to private online destinations, and that was during a time when everything was shut down. People were told to stay at home.
[01:04:25] Unknown:
Well, in in what's funny is is that most people would immediately look at the finance finances of it. And that isn't where the real problem comes in because, honestly, most of them girls don't even make minimum wage. Mhmm. It's not the financial aspect of it. It's the attention aspect of it. And women are very masculine attention driven creatures, and it's just what they do. Men want attend want peer attention. Women want men's attention. And once they've gotten that kind of attention, and then the things that they do, get gets them more attention when it's really rough things, well, they just keep seeking that and seeking that. And where the real problem comes in is that by the time they've developed enough wisdom to realize that none of these men actually have any interest in having a genuine person to person relationship with them, then they're too old and then a a dude that is worthwhile.
And the problem problem is is because they had so many men going after them at that point, they start labeling themselves as high value, and they were never that value. And now they're chasing after these men that they think are just, you know, these 10 men. You know? Women are extremely selective with men, And the the value isn't there, but they still think it is. And any decent man doesn't want them. And so we have a whole generation of women that are gonna be, and this is why the whole cat woman thing comes up where they're gonna be cat ladies. They're not gonna have children that love them. They have no actual future. And because, you know, this is my whole thing with why I think people that don't own land shouldn't vote because then you don't have any, real skin in the game.
You don't have any real reason to care whether that land is worth something in 20 years, whether that city is is functioning. And so the same thing applies to society. You're gonna when she dies, she knows it's all over right there. You only live once.
[01:06:46] Unknown:
So Is your argument that OnlyFans is more than a skin only game, and it's the attention that is the concern?
[01:06:55] Unknown:
The I'm go ahead, Ben.
[01:06:59] Unknown:
No. Go ahead, Steve. It's your turn. It's
[01:07:01] Unknown:
it's, like, way more than that though because it's, you know, not just a one way exchange there. Like, there's a whole flocks of simps Mhmm. That are being financially drained. They're being, they're being programmed to have that exact same kind of relationship or at least attempted experience in real life.
[01:07:34] Unknown:
Just like a behavioralism thing? Like, there's some psychology here where Yeah. Well, because your brain is programmable.
[01:07:40] Unknown:
No. Your brain is programmable. And if you were getting this girl to do these perverted things that normal women wouldn't do for you, you know, especially without some kind of a, you know, equal exchange type thing where maybe she's like, no. I don't like that kind of thing. Well, to to to force demand through money, basically. Okay. You're just getting your way. Well, now now because you're using this is my whole thing about porn with guys in the first place. Yeah. You you naturally start watching more and more, exotic things.
Well, you're literally wiring your brain to to achieve this awesomeness to that act. So now that that act becomes hardwired into your brain, especially the more and more you do it. So now when you go home, the the I remember, like, especially when you're young, like, that first time a girl just brushes her lips across your neck. You're like, oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. You're telling all your friends, oh, my God. You could feel it on your neck for like a month. You're like, right there is where it happened. Her lips touched me right there. You know?
And and all that's gone. All that's gone. Now you're like, oh, if I don't if I'm not putting it in her in her rear end and donkey punching her afterwards, I'm not getting off, man. Like, that you have you have severely damaged your capability of having a meaningful sexual life and a relationship with a woman.
[01:09:13] Unknown:
Yeah. When we were when we were talking off camera before, that that was basically in line with what what I was gonna say. I don't know if we can say that word on YouTube.
[01:09:26] Unknown:
Could start to spell it out, and we can turn this into a spelling bee. Prawn?
[01:09:32] Unknown:
Sure. Prawns. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That you guys are right. That one's a term of service, isn't it? I need to not say that. Sure.
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Images
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that are of a skin tone primarily. Well, I mean, you I think we which what's crazy is you can't say prawns, but you can say OnlyFans hoes all day long.
[01:09:55] Unknown:
You can't say hoes either. I think you have to say, or or you can't say it's like 3 that's why they say that whole 304 thing.
[01:10:03] Unknown:
Oh, it's yeah. It's like on a calculator again. You put 3 zero four in the calculator and turn it upside down and it's boots.
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Right.
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8008.
[01:10:13] Unknown:
Okay. So that's why they're calling you 3 zero fours now.
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Yeah. I'm
[01:10:22] Unknown:
not usually on YouTube. There's a lot of, you know, code words to use and slang and vernacular, certainly. I guess I was under the impression that men were paying
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for. Say, you can say you can say SA, but you can't Right. Say the whole thing. And you also can't say the more aggressive version of that. You need to be like, grape. You know, I'll you know? Right. Right.
[01:10:49] Unknown:
That's so freaking silly.
[01:10:52] Unknown:
Yes. It is. It well, you can't it it stops productive conversations, but that's also part of what they wanna do. Because, again, we live in a highly feminized world, and we can't have real gritty conversations. And, you know, and until we get down to real gritty conversations because that's where reality is. Reality gritty as fuck. We need to be where the rubber meets the road, baby. Don't show me your fucking dyno sheet. I don't give a fuck. Well,
[01:11:20] Unknown:
the back to the only fans point, though, it's just Internet hoo ain't real hoo
[01:11:27] Unknown:
That's not real coochie. Sure. Whoop. Yeah. So then I'd argue back and say, I don't think that the texting relationship between a simp and his dominant female in his life is a exchange of flesh thing. It seems to be like the girlfriend experience argument. So if the guy has to pay and I'm seeing the amount of money for her to look into the camera, say his name, and then say, I I love you. I value you. You're skilled. Your art is awesome. You're you slam dunked that basketball at that game today. It was great. That type of thing. The sort of words of affirmation. Are are women selling the girlfriend experience, and is that what buyers are buying?
[01:12:14] Unknown:
Well, that absolutely.
[01:12:16] Unknown:
Go ahead, Steve. You say, I mean, the that's that's some of it. What but what it is is it's a, attention drain. It's an energy drain. The it's, in many cases, a financial drain, and, it's taking away from that dude's ability to have a meaningful interaction with people, period, but members of the opposite sex specifically at all because the amount of time and effort and energy that that simp is putting into that what he thinks is a relationship or at least an ex you know, the that's, that's all being eaten up by, again, the Internet Gucci, which again isn't real.
[01:13:12] Unknown:
The funny thing is is then she takes and rather than go and seeking a decent man, she'll go ahead and throw hers go throw that thing away for free to some loser who doesn't give her anything and then hate men because of it when he doesn't take care of her. But I I like where Steve's sticking, and I wanna stick there because of next week's and using the prep for that. Where's the damage that says coming for men? And I think that in general, even taking the, red pill aspect of this, where they're trying to teach these men how to go out and actually get it, I think that's a that's even as much of a problem as the actual only fans in the porn.
And I think that, because then all they are is devaluing themselves and devaluing the women. And I understand that they think that the, there's that entire case to be made that women want a man that's desired. And and that's a very childish woman that's like that. That the the dude that's with other women, she wants that that dude and blah blah blah. That's a very childish woman. That you're not seeking high value woman in that point in time. And the fact is is as a respectful per as to become a respectable person and a high value person in this society, in western society, you're one man who has one wife and he treats that wife well and she stands behind them and they see a united they call it power couple even. And that means that it's a wife and a husband that stand together firm, and everybody respects that. That is the highest value in this society.
And so the fact is is if you're a philanderer, that's not respected. It's not respected at all. And so to try and teach these men that, what you should be teaching them is is what a high value woman wants is a stable man who knows how to provide and then not only provide for her, but provide for the potential children that they're gonna have together. And that she knows he's not gonna go run around because he wasn't chasing the putty before this. Why would he start chasing the putty now? This was a driven man who's about being an honorable strong man, and he chose me to come along on that ride, and I'm gonna stand with it. That's what people respect, and there's a fucking reason. And you're doing nothing but devaluing these young men and devaluing the girls that they're floundering with.
[01:15:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I I I think it's basically a way for, well, it's what what it is is it's the other side of the feminism coin. And it seems to be, having as equally a destabilizing effect on healthy relationships as feminism has had for the last at least 50, 60 years. And they're, in the where that used to be, in the space where that used to be, it it was really just, you know, dude's ability to hang out with other dudes and not make it weird. You fought more from time to time. You took more risks. You, you know, got to figure out where your general place among your peer group structure was, and you had more, like, shared experiences in terms of wins and losses.
So with the what the red pill has done, it has effectively, like, pitted basically all dudes against each other. It doesn't hold, you know, any sort of camaraderie or friendly competition in any sort of high regard.
[01:17:22] Unknown:
It doesn't you said the other side of the feminism coin. Are you referring to the red pill being the other side of the feminism? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:17:30] Unknown:
Yeah. 100%. I agree. The that's there's always, there's always a side b to whatever, you know, short or long term destabilization operation, is being employed against the citizenry at any given time. We've been in 5th generation warfare now for many, many years. And 5th generation warfare, the civilian population is the, well, you're the enemy. Sure. Target. Sure.
[01:18:03] Unknown:
Yeah. What's that is what's that movie? What what 5th phase or something they call it? And it's where the kids turn against the parents, and the kids, they they make it out into a whole alien story. The encounters of the 5th kind? We're we're no. No. No. What's that? Encounters of the 5th kind. What? No. Kids aren't killing their parents in that movie. I haven't seen the movie. I I know there's close encounter to the 3rd kind. There's close encounter to the 4th kind. Oh, oh, 5th kind. Yeah. Okay. 5th kind. You didn't say the 3rd kind. Okay. I see. No. No. This was, like, 15th or something. It had that I think it had that little girl from, kick ass, the little black haired girl, who likes the superhero girl.
And the the last phase of this takeover was where they program these kids and that basically they look through these goggles and the goggles was gonna tell them who's aliens. And as they were looking through the goggles, it was actually all the adults and the other humans. So really, the analogy there was is that the last phase of it was to turn your own kids against you. So they were you were now the enemy, and they were this is how they become into the state cult because you're the enemy now. And so that was what the analogy was there, and they made it into a whole alien thing.
[01:19:25] Unknown:
That makes sense to me. I wanted to touch back on the idea of neurolinguistic programming, and then hearing the idea of, like, the metaphor of the other side of feminism is the red pill. The other side of the coin using a 2 sided coin type of idea. A coin is something that has values. Now we're talking about monetary exchange and temple prostitutes and exchanging money for time and value, these types of things. But the question I wanna ask is how to develop value. We talk about what is and what is not a high value man, what is a high value woman, and the question is how to develop that value, and to who do we owe the responsibility or put the onus on to say, you know, we need to have high value children if we're going back to the argument where parents are responsible for their own children in terms of leading them towards an education, making sure they are educated, then does it does it rest solely on the father to make sure that his son and daughter are developing into high value people and to sort of demonstrate a path forward for them to move towards?
[01:20:43] Unknown:
I don't think that you would put 100% of the responsibility on that, and I also think that, kids are a little bit more well rounded if there's a number of exemplary adults have been it's part of their lives. Yeah. There was a spot in Boulder Creek when I lived there, and Ben met this dude, Ben Unger. Yeah.
[01:21:18] Unknown:
And his wife name was also Christie. It's a layered M and I traded shirts. I still have that shirt. It says the dog father. He has my punisher sweater.
[01:21:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. But, his house was, for years, man, multigenerational. He raised his kids in the house where his mom and her long term, like, second husband lived. The there was a giant front yard, and it was called the yard room. And there were all kinds of people with their kids there all the freaking time, and that's kinda how they they got raised. And everybody got hurt, and everybody laughed a lot. Everybody you know, it was just it was like that. And that, I think, is probably one one of the better environments for especially if you see adults hanging out, like, not being total shitbags, and plenty of live music and lots of good food and stuff like that.
You know? I I would I would encourage that that sort of environment for kids to grow up in because, yeah, they get to see a lot of different examples of grown ups. They get to see, you know, everybody be basically, everybody chopping them when they do something dumb. You know? And be that kind of, like, group accountability gets kids to figure some shit out pretty quick, And I think that's been especially, again, going back to the whole, like, oh, now we all don't leave the house and do school on Zoom. There there's a whole bunch of accountability that hasn't been factored into the lives of far too many kids at this point.
And, that's a shame. It it is. Well, it's a lack of it, but that's yeah.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
I would agree with everything Steve said. For the more controversial aspect of it, I would, state that men, for starts, women's wills are woven on a wobbly wheel. You like Marcus is saying, well, I would agree with Steve. It's not 100% on demand. It is 90% on you to to to steer the ship. And so Oh, yeah. No. That's fair. And so when you take a wife, and this is part of why there's such a disconnection in today's age where guys don't like these boss babes or whatnot, you need a wife that's going to share the same values you do. So that way, when you are out providing for the family and you're not able to be around them, as Steve was saying, the the situation he was describing, I guarantee you all those people had the same basic values.
If somebody in that little in that little microsphere community came up, they all came up and everybody rejoiced over it. If one person got hurt or went down, everybody made sure they have or or 50th that hurt and took their shoulder as much as they could into it and and shared it. And so anybody in that community has a a a distinct need for that community to rise and to thrive. And so you need to pick a woman with the same values as you have. I have a lot of friends that throughout the years now, one of my good friends, I'm not gonna say his name, but I'll use him as an easy example. He picked a girl that was drunk at a bar. That's what what she did is go get drunk at the bar every weekend and tried to take her home and make a hooker into a housewife, And that don't happen. That chick, this is what she enjoys. This is what she wants to do. And that's what she kept trying to do. And now she's done she's done left, and he's having the struggle with, a parenting and with a divorce because in today's yeah. Especially in the Midwest, it's not as bad in on the coastal regions. But in the Midwest, if you get if you separate and you're a dude, good luck. May the odds be ever in your favor. Like, you are definitely about to lose your paycheck and it you might see your kid occasionally. And and the times that you do, that kid's gonna be so horribly turned against you. Like, this is the reality for most dudes, which is why we're seeing these weird movements that are happening. So when you're going and picking these girls rather than chasing tail, you need to build yourself up as a man, have your own home. When you have your own home, guess what? If if the chick that's there doesn't appreciate it, isn't down for this thing you're building, kick rocks, lady. Go back to your parents' house.
Go over wherever else. I don't give a rat's ass. If you have your own home, you are the provider. She's gonna come into that home and fill it with love, boys, but you need to have the home first. This whole bullshit of, oh, we're gonna build a home together. That's some feminized BS, you little pussies. Fucking if you don't have your own home, that's why she gets to wear the pants equal to you because she was equal man to you, you little sissy ass.
[01:26:49] Unknown:
Could we have a full on debate against interior decorators to state that a man should not only have, you know, a basement and a man cave, but the man his house should be his entire house, and it should be designed around him and not having the wife, you know, decorate the living room and the kitchen and all the bathrooms and the hallways and everything, that type of thing. Did literally own your own house and then not make it so that it's feminine leaning with potpourri everywhere, arts and crafts everywhere.
[01:27:22] Unknown:
Oh, that that's gotta be a balance because you gotta understand. Like I said, she is the heart of the home. Mhmm. So she's the one who's gonna spend the majority time in that home. You gotta let her I would I would never let her come out my garage and tell me where to put my wrench. In fact, the times that she comes out into my tool shed and tries to do things, I bite her head off. Like, I don't expect any different. Now, agreed, you also live in that home, so she can't go making it into a high school fairy girl's home. But, you you you know, like my wife, when she first moved in, she was more used to that type of thing. And all they did was make everybody in the house uncomfortable because I've got 5 pit bulls, and we've got you know, I had grandkids. So I had kids that lived with me at the time. And we're rough and tumble, and she's trying to put, like, these delicate little things around. There's gotta be kind of a balance of it, but you've gotta let her, run her ship, though, also. You can't be all domineering and shit about it, man. You guys she's gotta have her space.
Like like, your space is outside. Go hang out in the garage. Well and how many arguments
[01:28:27] Unknown:
after people get married and they move into the house, they start arguing about, well, I need to we need new furniture, and we need to take out loans, and we need to buy, you know, finance new carpets and new curtains and everything. How do you even start a family if you're already in debt because you're so concerned about
[01:28:44] Unknown:
Suck it the fuck up. Like, when Christie moved into my house, 5 gallon were my furniture turned upside down. So that way, you could sit on that. Sure. That would Sure. Burn it. Yes. She likes more furniture than that. We went and got some from a yard sale. It was way better than 5 gallon buckets. You don't like it? Get the fuck out of my house somewhere else. This is my Okay. I'll I'll push back and say at this point, you know, social media exists. Every woman has a phone, and they're all sharing
[01:29:13] Unknown:
pictures of their home and their decorations and everything that's painted beige, so it's trendy. And now the trend has changed, so then they have to change the colors of carpets and curtains and paint this type of thing. So at what point does the man, the alpha male, the head of the home, say, hey. Our home is sacred. It's private. We don't broadcast this stuff online. We don't share pictures of our children anywhere. We don't commoditize them or turn them into a product so that we are somehow an influencer in parenting and mommy groups, this type of thing. Is that even has anyone had that conversation to say push back against sharing, oversharing?
[01:29:58] Unknown:
Oh, I mean, I so I I think there's gonna be a natural, ebb to that, and I kind of see it. Like, I'm seeing less and less of people do engaging in that kind of behavior, because I think it got so blown out of proportion and people started to understand, like, exactly how permanent and prevalent
[01:30:24] Unknown:
those images are. Public images posted to Facebook are printed in front page news reporting criminal behavior, and then now here's your picture on your Facebook page.
[01:30:36] Unknown:
Yeah. So I I think that, because it was there for years, just I mean, blatant out in the open, people didn't really put 2 and 2 together that, like, the Internet is forever and all kinds of people can access those images with all of their intentions may not be pure. You know? Mhmm. And people have started to become more cognizant of just how permanent their information is and what they give up. I think there has been an ebb to that. Now I I could I could be wrong about that. They could just be doing it on different apps, and they probably
[01:31:14] Unknown:
are. Yeah. They've they've But threads now, and I've been on threads a little bit to try and see are there podcasters, are there debaters? What are the topics? Threads has spun out of Instagram, which is still owned by parent company Meta, which began with Facebook. So Facebook starts, people move over to Instagram. Facebook's parent company Meta buys up Instagram. And now from Instagram, they've realized that x form formerly known as Twitter, the bluebird site, is not what it used to be. Elon Musk has destroyed it. Now they've moved to threads. Threads is posting text.
And as far as I've seen, there are not a whole lot of advertisements. So advertisements have completely taken over Facebook. It's completely taken over Instagram. Now threads is the new greener pasture where a lot of people have begun sharing their life, and many of them have not quite learned that lesson. So I see a lot of people talking about they're angry that their followers are not engaged with their posts. They have a lot of numbers, but they're not getting a lot of positive comments and likes and shares and ratings and all these things. So I see that as probably a a more feminine behavior because a lot of these women that I'm seeing on threads, and it might just be that I'm a male, and they think that I wanna see pretty females. They're probably correct. So they show that to me, and I see this behavior feeding back into whatever it is. And I'm recognizing that, you know, I've been on Facebook since 2006.
So all of my accounts have all been linked and turned over, and the amount of data that they have on me over a nearly 20 year period of time is obscene. It's absolutely obscene. And yet have we learned the lessons of the past to say, well, threads is a new thing. But no. No. No. It's it's gonna be the same cycle of new user adoption, people looking for new follows, and people are not acting as man and woman. They're acting as a business entity for their page to get likes and subscriptions and numbers up because they're looking at metrics. They want more numbers, more engagements, and they wanna turn that into dollars somehow. So somehow having a large following equates to just living your life and getting paid to do so. But that's a carrot and a stick analogy where YouTube promise partner program where, man, you just put videos on YouTube, join the AdSense, link it up to your account, and get paid 6 figures a year for putting videos on YouTube?
Haven't we seen that with Spotify as well? Hey. We're looking for some new podcasting talent. We've got a pool of money to hand out, and then they pull the rug out from underneath you. And you've given them information, and it becomes a full time job for people to become content creators in the mundane sense of the word where they're posting information and and clickbait articles. So you give them the tool, and I'm circling back to the esoteric argument. You give somebody a tool, and then they play with it, and then they decide that they wanna get good at playing with the tool and not knowing what the end goal is. They have no end goal in mind. They think they want to be like an influencer, which is, like, the top 0.1 percent of whatever it is. But, again, Skinner box behavior, you hit the button, you get a like, you get the dopamine, you get the satisfaction, you get the feedback loop. People like you. They really like you, but they're all bots, not real people.
[01:35:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, at least I know when people in my, especially the Rockfinch are are heckling, talking mad shit. I I know they're real.
[01:35:19] Unknown:
Sock puppets don't affirm you and tell you your position is correct and provide the echo chamber.
[01:35:27] Unknown:
That's funny. That's funny. We've been pissing people off this week. Yeah. That's okay. Tease is on tomorrow. He makes everything better.
[01:35:40] Unknown:
What have been the hottest topics
[01:35:42] Unknown:
lately? This. Why aren't we debating them? Right? Oh, no. They're just, you know,
[01:35:49] Unknown:
chat chat, chat demons. No. I mean, they're they're there all the time, but, you know, regular watchers. But, yeah, just like talking some shit every now and then. But, no, I Chris Don Harris from the rundown live, the, he was, I think, the original person in the parking lot with Rittenhouse with filming, because he's from Kenosha. And so it was popping off right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He hit me up. He was like, hey. I have a friend that's doing this thing, and it's called, like, free and equal elections. Would you please have her on? And I said, sure. And she came on, and we talked about some stuff that the vast majority of the audience doesn't believe in. But it was a good conversation, and it was very, very, very wide ranging, and it wasn't exclusively limited to I told her what what I thought it it was, which is a a consent ritual for kid diddlers.
But, you know, we have but in spite of that, we had a great conversation. And there are people who just hated that, hated it because we talked about the grown up version of writing a letter to Santa for 45 minutes.
[01:37:14] Unknown:
Okay. They're doing that 2 weeks before the fucking election when people are at the height of, it's so important to vote. Dude, today, we're we're stuck in, Rock Springs, Wyoming. And we did a tour of this, you know, old museum, and they had toothpaste that said vote. Like, that shit's been being pushed for so long.
[01:37:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well and and, I mean, to her credit, she she definitely, agreed that, you know, there there's no such thing as a a free or equal election. That's why she had the the group. And I I didn't wanna just sit there and, like, berate the lady. You know? It was a a buddy of mine that asked if I'd have her on. It's not really you know? Let her air her, you know, side of things and what she's got going on, and it's up to the audience to make up their decision about it. I don't need to, you know, berate a bitch. That doesn't sound doesn't sound like a good way to go about your day.
[01:38:24] Unknown:
No. It doesn't, it doesn't tend to make you any friends and then also anybody that is gonna have, idea that's, you know, gonna be controversial that you might wanna, you know, push back against. Well, if you're just berating about it, then
[01:38:45] Unknown:
Does the Blair Witch Balderson wanna frighten us into what happens if we don't vote? Walked around and maybe got out of the Internet range. There you are. There you are.
[01:39:00] Unknown:
Yeah. I lost connection there for a second.
[01:39:04] Unknown:
I wouldn't say anything important anyways. We're almost past the election season, so we'll be able to breathe a sigh of relief that
[01:39:13] Unknown:
I I don't I I I definitely don't feel like that. It's normally, reflection season. At the end, it, you know, there is that sigh of relief that no matter whether, no matter who won, at least it's fucking over, and we don't gotta hear about it no more.
[01:39:32] Unknown:
Right. But then we'll return to sports.
[01:39:34] Unknown:
Right. We'll always have sports. And I don't feel like that's the case at all. I mean, the last election cycle, you know, they're still talking about the events, from it. I think this one, no matter which side wins, is gonna be vastly worse than, the farce that was January 6th that Steve, was was sitting and watching. I think, rather than being a farce, this one has true potential of being an actual
[01:40:03] Unknown:
insurrection no matter which ways this goes. Well, I was much more standing and watching and, you know, walking around. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I that was a really weird day. It was. It was a really weird day.
[01:40:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Cheney has a lot of things to say about that too. You know? We're, like she said that the way the police were lining themselves up, it funneled everybody. So even if you didn't wanna get pushed into that crowd, they they basically made the crowd substantially larger than what it should have been just by funneling people into it that didn't necessarily wanna go be part of it. They just wanted to see what was going on. And so the whole thing pretty ridiculous, pretty, you know, the fact is is, we all know that, propaganda was legalized on the American public.
And so everything at this point, if if you think it I mean, you can debate whether it was a show or not before that, but when they fully legalize propaganda on the American public, it's all been a Hollywood show since. There's just no two ways about that.
[01:41:12] Unknown:
Is there anyone who debates against that point to say that not everything is propaganda? Some of it is organic, and there are politicians who have a cons constituency that they truly represent. Maybe it's, you know, an underrepresented minority, a group of people that they're fighting for civil rights and wanting to extend rights and grant rights to certain people.
[01:41:38] Unknown:
The last decent politician I knew about, they ran her right out of the country. Steve and I guys talked to her. Not only did they run her out of the country, they make sure that nobody gets to have a decent talk with her and lets her kind of ideals stand as somebody that could actually be a leader.
[01:42:04] Unknown:
Do we wanna talk about sports, guys, dudes, or dudes? We like sports. Yeah. Yeah. Sports. Woman. Sports, beer, boobs. Yeah. Farts. Yeah.
[01:42:16] Unknown:
I do like farts. That that's funny. That's good funny stuff. I care less about sports and beer boobs. Farts, though, that still gets me.
[01:42:26] Unknown:
Do we know anyone who really loves sports and defending the sanctity of the institution, the athleticism of the locker room, and the grid iron, and, like, you know, baseball is real and true, and football is very important, and all these sports are feats of athleticism that are truly athletic, and the the most athletic team always wins because they have the best tactics and strategy and mental mindset. Sports are real, and the scores at the end are well deserved and fought for.
[01:43:05] Unknown:
I mean, there there's just been far too much documentation and different cases over the years of various forms of rigging these contests. And I mean, not all of them not all of them by any stretch of the imagination, but enough to alter the outcome of a postseason or an entire season. And, certainly, there's the New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick approach to rules, which is if there's not a rule against this specific thing, I'm going to do it until they make one. And so
[01:43:55] Unknown:
Sounds like an argument to say that sports are fair. And if they're unfair and proven to be so, rules change, regulation change, referees are there to number of the cheating scandals and rigging scandals involved, the officiating crew in any given sporting event.
[01:44:08] Unknown:
Sure. And that's solved by
[01:44:19] Unknown:
artificial intelligence and computers and videos, which will make the game even more fair now.
[01:44:25] Unknown:
Yeah. It would also be solved by taking out the extreme amounts of money in professional sports, and then the money wouldn't be there for them to care. And and if you just took away professional sports period and fuck these jackasses who think that they get to be entertainers, you know, the it's interesting because it wasn't actually until recent times that those people made the kind of of money that they made. You look at the old school ones, it's like people cry about it. Like, oh, they made normal people money for just doing stuff. Like, then the same applied to actors.
It actually wasn't until, they removed the tax that, the what was it? In the seventies that they removed the tax at anything above, you know, there was a certain wage that the, you know, middle class man even even,
[01:45:20] Unknown:
your average burden security.
[01:45:22] Unknown:
Yeah. And anything above anything above, they got taxed at, like, a 90% rate. So nobody cared about making anything more than that. And there's just the these entertainers, they shouldn't be making insane amounts of money doing things that do nothing for to productive for the society. If you took that money out of that system, then they wouldn't be doing the insane things they're doing because you can't tell me and I don't care what system it is. If it's a $1,000,000,000 company, I'm I'm doing everything I can to make sure it stays making as much money as possible. And that's just what $1,000,000,000 companies do. So when this is a sports entertainment system, they want the most entertaining thing. I remember 1 year back when I watched sports ball, we were watching football and it Tampa Bay, and Tampa Bay's defense was just absolute vicious.
They didn't let nothing happen. They couldn't score a point to save their life, but their, their defense didn't let a point get scored for nothing either. And so they ended up, in the NFC, championship game. And I remember specifically, even on the replays, the refs cheated. And it was to keep the Tampa Bay out of the Super Bowl because it would have been 2 defensive teams against each other. It would have been, like, a 3 point win for a Super Bowl where you just watched you yeah. A stalemate, and they didn't want that happening. That would have lost them 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of dollars. And and so to imagine that if you with that kind of money on the line that you wouldn't cheat, to me that and and make sure that that thing that juggernaut keeps making money, that to me is insane.
[01:47:09] Unknown:
Now now incorporate that, most professional sports teams, also have legal online gambling, and they're, you know, sponsored by FanDuel and then these other places, other gambling houses. The amount of money that's been interjected into it through that is freaking ridiculous. You would normally have to go to somewhere with a casino and a sports book or something like that in order to place that. You can do it from your couch while you're managing your imaginary slave trade, fantasy football team.
[01:47:49] Unknown:
Can you bet with Bitcoin? Can you use cryptocurrency to bet? I don't know. I don't I don't gamble. Oh, you know somewhere somebody's taking Bitcoin. You I'm sure. There's I'm trying to bait I'm trying to bait some crypto bros to come and debate us and argue the topic. The other debate I wanna have is this idea of, like, scoring, the stalemate, the idea that You'll get Jaren. You ought to get Jaren?
[01:48:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Jaren Campanella? I'll ask Jaren. Sure. Sure. So the idea that,
[01:48:19] Unknown:
like, a football game, you get to the best teams that have the best offense. And the fact that it's not decided by, you know, one field goal kick, like, a 3 point to win the game, 0 to 3 wins the game. That kinda proves to me that there's something more going on. It's more of an entertainment thing. People wanna see the sports highlights reels, but wouldn't the trend towards lower scoring games and fewer people's getting scores prove that the athleticism has gotten better, the defense has gotten better? Or is that just the argument that, you know, they have a weak defense they have a weak defense, and everyone just focuses on scoring because that's a debate. That's how you win the debate. You score the most points, you win the debate. If you're in a debate and all you do is defend your position, then you're always on the defensive.
[01:49:09] Unknown:
Well well, here's the problem, and and Ben's kind of identified it a little bit. There the the NFL, the NBA, Major League Baseball, I'm I haven't looked at hockey, but I would imagine hockey. The UFC, and, of course, the WWE are all registered as sports entertainment companies. They're not a league of teams competing against each other for a trophy. So the legal distinction for a sports entertainment company means they can script seasons. They can, call an audible mid game and have the outcome of it changed. The, you know, they can pick winners and losers, and, they have done this for since they've been able to register for it. Was this only allowed after John Madden died?
I know that in, 2011, the NFL successfully argued in court that as a sports entertainment company, they had the right to call shots on, you know, who got to win specific games. Again, not all of them. Not all of them. Sure. But,
[01:50:35] Unknown:
So should the fans then decide who won the game by the amount of rioting that happens after a sporting event? Well, yes. They should. They should.
[01:50:46] Unknown:
And it should there has to be, like, teeth on the ground. At least 3 flip cop cars.
[01:50:53] Unknown:
That's that's what what makes me laugh when people like Destiny try calling that an insurrection. Like, motherfucker, sports teams fucking
[01:51:01] Unknown:
lose and they sports teams win. And the city riots harder than that. Could I could I propose a solution to keeping sports fair and honest? If the team loses at the end of the the match, the fans get to destroy the losers' home turf. Just completely destroy the stadium.
[01:51:25] Unknown:
I mean, you you could do that or you could just, you know, have a Mayan like, ceremony where one of the losing team's players gets to go on the slab.
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So, like, their highest scoring and best performing athlete gets
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head chopped off. Maybe or the person who, you know, screwed up the most that day.
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It doesn't it's, you know I mean, that seems like a double punishment for the losing team. Maybe the winning team should have their top 3 athletes murdered.
[01:52:01] Unknown:
That seems drastic. 3? Well, if we get into the whole money ball aspect Well, if there's 5 people on the, you know, court.
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Right? Basketball. That's yeah. Well, then that gives more opportunities. Is there only 5 is there only 5 people on a tee on the quarter time in basketball? Per team. Yeah.
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Oh,
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well, it seems like a lot of people running around on that one.
[01:52:26] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. The court's really not as big as, as you you would think it would be, so it looks more cluttered. Did you learn everything about NBA from watching Space Jam? Space Jam is my jam. Yes. Yes. This is where I get all of my professional basketball knowledge from. No. I grew up in Indiana. That's where my basketball it's just it's like the whoosh the Hoosiers. The Hoosiers. Yes, sir. Yeah. Alright. Yeah.
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Yeah. I grew up on the North Dakota, South Dakota border. We wrestled. We don't we were we were we were short white farm boys that were, real stocky, and that's what we did was wrestle. Like, or Oaks, North Dakota, which was about 15 miles from my house, they produced, like, 5 Olympic wrestlers, like, in the town that nobody in the world's heard of New Oaks, North Dakota because it's like a 150 people or something. But but, you know, if you've been born there, you've got a pretty high chance of being an Olympic wrestler. It's just it's just how it is.
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Yeah. No. I selected basketball. That's why I left the state when I was 18. They told me to leave. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I've noticed that you're also short and white. Well, I mean, for by basketball standards, I'm actually above average height. But
[01:53:51] Unknown:
for a basketball player, I'm not tall at all. Yeah. Yeah. No. I was not gonna be competing with 6 5 to 611 people.
[01:54:04] Unknown:
That sounds like we could debate that. I think we need to make it more fair so everybody has equal opportunity in sports. That's equity. No. It's not anything in here. No. You just learn that if you're white, you either wrestle or you play hockey. See, I thought equity was to do. I thought equity was the the value you could pull out of your stock ownership and the team options.
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Okay. Equity of opportunity. Okay. That's the that's the
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Equity and economic inter opportunity.
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I want cash money in the bank. I mean, well, there's exception. You know, there's outliers, of course, man. Remember, Spud Webb?
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That sounds really good. Spud Webb defined gravity. Muggsy boats. Defy Spud Webb defied gravity. That guy could dunk as well as Michael Jordan, and he was, like, 3 feet tall.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, legit. You know? I I can't remember if he was 54 or 55, and there have been a couple of other, like, 52 dudes
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in the NBA. But they aren't they aren't white. None of them. None of those little dudes that jump like that are white. No. You're still white. You are right.
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Jason Williams was, a white boy. I think he was more like 6 foot, 61, something like that, but he was a a white forward for the Sacramento, Kings, I think.
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I think. Yeah. There there was there was one dude from Mitchell, South Dakota that was, like, a really popular basketball player. He was super tall, some white kid. I can't Mike something. I can't remember his name, and everybody was just shocked. Like, we have football players and wrestlers. We don't have I was like, what the hell? What happened? Yeah. We got a basketball player. Yeah.
[01:55:51] Unknown:
Oh, man. I'd love to debate sports with you guys all night. Let's keep going. I got another I mean, because we sound so intelligent as we're talking about it. We I gotta really I I do gotta get out of here.
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And some of the actual sports guy is just laughing at us.
[01:56:09] Unknown:
Heck yeah. No. I appreciate it. I'm looking forward to next week. And, Nico, House got back to me, and he's down to come on, week after next.
[01:56:20] Unknown:
Perfect. So next week, we have, GLO who, was very big in the manosphere and, was a a real big player in Trump's first campaign. And, took time off then to go write a book because he is extremely actually censored and read it. Mhmm. So we're gonna debate him on on what it is to be a alpha male, and is the red pill, harmful toward men and society? And then the week after, we are going to, debate Nico House on, reparations. So we this is part of why we did this this week. We got some heat coming up, and, hopefully, we're gonna keep it a 100% rolling after that. We got some other things that we're trying to line out and get in the tubes, and I'm out there trying to, get myself out there and get no one amongst the debaters so we can start keeping more people coming in. And it's not just us, fake debating each other because we agree with almost everything, with each other. It's we're at least the deviation isn't so far off that we're at gonna get a spirited debate out of it.
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So we are willing to leave our home turf and go on other people's streams and debate. Yes.
[01:57:47] Unknown:
I'm gonna if I was home the if I was home last night, I would have jumped on the raging tomato. They wanted me to jump on, you know, seeing my comments in the chat. They wanted me to jump in, but, I being in the hotel here and, I I had to speak very quietly, obviously, tonight, you know, because, unfortunately, that's working out because it's too loud outside, but, it's hard to debates, tactics. Yeah. It's very tough. Some dude Self assured. A dude. It's been very effective. Yes. Not in a spirited debate, though, I don't think. I think, I need my microphone and sitting at home and being able to hit mute and cuss off to the side and scream or something. You know? Being able to be my norm more of my normal self, the subdued, which I do it is night. It would be alright. I do need practice, and, obviously, that furry gun under my skin, and that shouldn't happen.
I'm so mad at myself, but we gotta let Steve go. So we got that coming up, guys. So the heat's getting ready to get cranked up. Fire's going.
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Love you, guys. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next Tuesday.
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Have a good night, all.
Here we go. You're metal, dude. Dudes, 7, 8, 5,
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4, 3, 2, 1, fight. Yo, winner.
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Love it on repeat. Little pan pipe, and then just add more to it so it never quite ends, and you never know if you're ready to start the debate or not. Every time, I'll just add a little bit of extra randomness at the end so you won't know if we're starting or not. We are live.
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We are. And recording.
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We are live. A lot has happened. We are debating. Shout out to the verbal combat crew. All of them, except for that one person. You know who you are. Is that your Friday night habit, Balderson?
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The it's, you know, it's like, you know, when a comedian's gotta figure out how to do things, because the thing is is, and and I'm aware of this as, Andrew Wilson has accepted a debate with me, and I'm aware I am not a a practice debater. And even when I started public speaking, one of the hardest parts of that for me, it wasn't the information. I've got the information down. The rhetoric was an issue for me, the communication with other people, and then understanding the different levels of communication, like, in these debate formats. Like, sometimes, like, when I go to debate Andrew, you know, you're gonna bring your your, your best game, your most well researched stuff. Some of that stuff, that's so far above people's heads that they don't even get it. And did you really win the point? Now, like, he was on Raging Tomato the other day, and they had a little after talk. And one of the guys somebody asked him how much of the debate he understood, and he said about half.
And, you know, and they still assume Andrew won because of his personality and whatnot and because of the general feel of the way things go, you know, where he just kinda dominates over top of them. But even if somebody had made a more nuanced argument that was better, they wouldn't get it. So at some point in time, you've gotta learn it, you know, at the different shows and who the audiences are. So it's it's an interesting thing, and the rhetoric's something I need to work on. And the only way to work on that is to put yourself out there and, see how people react.
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It really is the speed of the debate and these verbal combat. They give you a timer, and it's just a small window of time to get your points out and how frustrating it is when the point that you're trying to argue is now not even in anyone's focus. It sort of becomes some other thing to derail the thing as fast as you can to get people angry and frustrated and emotional, and that's just the worst way
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to engage in a debate, but it happens. But it's something that you have to practice at because you are gonna get hit with things like that. And if you don't go practice and don't take some don't take some else, you're not gonna be good at it. You can imagine you these debate points, you're gonna eloquently make them in the situation all you want. But the fact is is when you're put in the hot seat, that's a different story, baby.
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Especially if you know that you're on a clock, you know, like, if you were saying that the amount of time you have to lay out your points, really not a lot. So you have to have a previously honed argument before you're going in.
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Exactly. It can't be a it can't be a a a 12 point dissertation. You've gotta boil it down to what are the things that people are most likely gonna, resonate with. So which thing out of my 12 point dissertation, if I say say it in a standalone fashion, are people gonna go, oh, well, that makes sense even though they don't know anything about what I'm talking about. So then not only that, but now now that I've honed in on that, I've gotta now flesh that out a little further since that's what's gonna catch their attention. So you end up doing a fluff piece rather than eloquently speaking about a point, which is what you would hope debate would be, but that's not always gonna be the case. It just depends on what format you're in and who you're debating, and you have to be ready for all of it.
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Sure. And if you're trying to put a leash on someone to take them from point a to b to c and c is your victory, and you can't even get to point b in the debate, then that's gonna be a a real problem. And I noticed that a lot with some of these just for fun debaters where they'll make a premise and then they'll ask a question like, well, are you the authority or something? Or they'll throw you off and then we notice this. I won't say the debate. It's just in general, if someone makes an appeal to authority, and then the next 5 minutes are spent on, is it okay to appeal to authority or who is the authority or this type of thing? It's not even debating directly the point of the topic, and it's just so tiresome.
So if we're likening this to a box match or a UFC match where you you know, you're gonna go 3 rounds in the 1st round. You're not gonna hit anybody. The second round, you're not gonna hit anybody. And you're waiting for the 3rd round to do a total knockout unless you've extended your stamina to the point where you've worn out your opponent's stamina where they are just exhausted and tired and mentally not fit to fight, well, then that's not even really a debate. That's more of just like your mom is still fat. You can't argue me your mom's doing that.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well and that's what I've always hated about the whole YouTube debate scene, and it's been refreshing, you know, to, 1, be a part of this show where it's not like that. But, also, there there's a handful of other people that just do debate in the tradition of have a prompt, have an affirmative, have a negative, present your best argument, and, you know, that that's it, but it's a longer form. With the rapid fire stuff, it has almost the immediate potential to turn into 2 dipshits arguing over the definition of a word until one of them rage quits.
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So are we debating the merits of, verbal combat type format where it is just very visceral and emotional and quick witted?
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I mean, it's clickbait debate.
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Right? The the fact is is is some of the people, no matter what, that you debate are gonna debate in that style. And so if you can't debate if you can't hold yourself against that, like the like the other other on Friday, I debated, and I had to go against the the person using the weird affectation and doing had a little Furby with a moving mouth that was, like, all weirded out and everything and really just trying to get under my skin. You know? And the fact is is I I I can't let that happen. So while I don't think that on any kind of an actual I'm not trying to actually win debates when I'm over there over there. They're all Andrew fans. It like like, the one dude made an Andrew argument, and it doesn't matter how you argue against that. That was an Andrew argument. They're like, oh, no. It was handed down by God.
And so, they, they they you know? So no matter how outlandishly they do it and so it's it's not that I'm trying to win. It's just the again, the practice. If you can't get in and do some scrap and and then, how are you gonna hold yourself, like, say, Andrew decides to do some blood sport debating and starts to do that a little bit. Well, if you can't handle it and you lose your shit and break, you lost your shit and broke. And once again, you can think you can stand up to that, but if you aren't gonna willing to put yourself in that and and bang it out some, you're not gonna be good at it and you don't know if you can do it. Hail. It's like an old fellow in the game. Like a comedian.
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Like a comedian who has to, in real time, deal with hecklers. And now as a debater Exactly. The entire chat room is against you, and they're all heckling you. And then everyone on camera is also hating you and heckling you. So you have no one on your side. You're absolutely standing on your own 2 feet, and your ability to maintain focus and resolve and have the courage to carry on and not just rage quit. That's the easiest way to win a debate is to get everybody else to rage quit and you're the last man standing. But that's not gonna last for very long.
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Well, and for me, it was I needed to be able to hold my shit and not get irritated and let it get under my skin. And so for me, that was the thing for that night. That irritated the shit out of me. And I was already slightly off kilter because Andrew did show up, and I made an intelligent argument with him. And him and I just about had an intelligent back and forth, which completely devolve this. 6 other dudes started just saying whatever. And and that is the way a panel show goes, so that I'm not mad about it, but it and I was frustrated because I would rather do more of what our style is. But, again, I have to be used to this and have to be able to respond and react to it without losing my shit. So
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get in and bang. We're talking specifically about a program on your
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ideas for verbal combat.
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Verbal combat. Combat with a k. They have this sort of mortal combat theme. It's it's pretty cool. We've released That is super cool the way he does that. 16 minute call to the deliberating dog face YouTube channel. Balderson and verbal combat round 37. Open panel blood sports debate. That is round 37. I think last week was, what, round 38 or 9 or something. So it's been a little while, and they continue to do that on Friday night. So we'll continue to shout them out. They're having a great, place for us to hang out and practice. A little bit different from our format. But, again, that's Friday night, and it's fun. So shout out to the verbal combat guys on the panel.
And maybe, some of them will join us.
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Yeah. We'll ask some of them guys to debate us in a little more of the, better I think, a a little more intelligent format. Some of them. But, yeah. No. That there's some good guys, and it's a lively crew. They're they're hilarious.
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And just to not have someone or 3 other people talking over you is a bit of a a difference. So to have 3 other people talking over you and practically turning up your gain on your microphone and getting in real close and just being louder than everybody else is a tactic. I don't know if that's intentional or not. I think for some people it is.
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It makes me come off angry.
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Well, we can't hear you because you sound real soft and far away.
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That's funny. Oh, So okay. So in in line with what you guys are talking about, what tonight show is is we're going to take prompts from you guys, and we'll run it around the horn a couple of times. You let us know in the chat, who you think is presenting the better argument, and then one of us gets to punch the other one in the titty or something like that. I'm not quite sure what the last part is. I think the word is scrommating.
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1st person scrommet loses.
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Alright. Does that involve, like, cap shots or something like that? It's the joyous of both of these.
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Also, while you guys are doing this, part of why we don't have anything set up tonight is because I'm on the road still. I will be home by next week. They I damn it. I will be home by next week.
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And there's Justin next week.
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Next week, we're gonna have GLO who was, the head dude for you you list his, stuff there, Marcus.
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GLO is a published author, been around in the red pill community, the manosphere for a very long time, has his own unique perspective on all of this, and we're ready to engage in some helpful and useful enlightening debate about wisdom and pillars and these types of ideas.
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Oh, I believe, assuming he accepts that force now that he's gonna come with next week, I think we're gonna try and do, what is an alpha male, especially given his position in the in the manosphere, and then, whether the red pill is harmful to to men. And so, there's aspects of that that I think, you know well, I mean, we'll we'll find out about the debate. There's things Person to person debate, and it could be framed in a number of different ways.
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He has this idea of this occult wisdom, and then maybe maybe some of the red pill ideas fall within an idea of that itself being occult knowledge. So if you teach men how to have sexual relations with women, in some ways, that's dangerous knowledge. So should that be made available to every man and every woman?
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Should we start out there while the chat builds up, things and kind of practice for what we're gonna do next week a little bit and work out our rhetoric.
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Yeah. Those were kind of the topics of the first three, four episodes of deliberating dog faced dudes where we were taking in some red pill kinda talking points, and maybe there's some comments we go over from those videos.
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Why why don't we start with Steve? Steve, what it what is an alpha male? We'll start out with these things that we're gonna talk about next week a little bit as the chat fills up and gives us some debate topics.
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Okay. So, I I think that, you know, there's a a handful of different qualities and, I guess, categories of people that would qualify for that. But mostly, it's, you know, a man who is 100% in possession of his thoughts, his will, his awareness of how to navigate different pitfalls that may come your way, that you're someone who, you know, maintains yourself, your where you live, how you live, and sets an example for other people for how to have a decent fucking work ethic, and drive, and the ability to love and take care of your family and someone who is capable of extreme violence in rare situations.
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So from the way I see it, a true alpha male, the epitome of man is a husband. And I don't mean this in the simp fashion of of trying to simp to women. I mean this in in every aspect of life. When I when I take on that position of I'm a landowner and I'm a landholder, I'm a husband to that land. And that means that I'm the one overseeing it. I'm making sure no harm happens to it. All the best things that that land deserves to make it thrive and flourish, I do in exchange with that land. That's a husbandry thing. Every animal I have invited to live on my land, I I try to provide the very best of conditions.
I I give them the best of food. I go around and I make sure that they're feeling okay. I keep an eye on them. I'm aware of their habits and the things that they do. If they're walking funny, if they're acting funny, I'm aware of that. That's a that's a husbandry thing. And with my wife, the same applies, that, I react to her the same way. I'm protectful. I'm providing. I make if there's something wrong with her, I I I notice. Like, when she's not acting right, all these things are are the epitome of husbandry. And when I when there's a problem on the farm, I tell you what, the alpha male, the herd of each of the packs, because I have multiple different packs, the herd sire, what's up, William? You need to hit that StreamYard link and get your butt in here.
The, or give us some good subjects at the very least. When, the when there's a danger, like, even the alpacas, which is strictly a prey animal, literally, it spits and does this little sidekick at you that stings. The the head alpha male, when there's a problem, he charges forward and everything else groups up and and starts moving its way back away from that. And he starts doing this super high pitched scream until I come running. And then I am the alpha male and I'm the one in front, and he stands behind me. It's just how it is. So the husbandry to me in every way is the epitome of man, and everything that is underneath that, all the other males, they are not the alphas.
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So with that statement, I wonder if the definition or rather the perception of what an alpha male changes. So for a man who's not yet a husband, who is not yet a homeowner, or owning a business or a career, at that point in a young man's life is the idea of an alpha male some sort of, an aspiration. So the idea of an alpha male to someone who is not yet an alpha male is to achieve alpha male dom to become that alpha male.
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That that's why you give them and you need to put your your description, not ask us questions, Marcus. You're supposed to do yours next. It's But this is this is this is also why, well, thank you then. Building the rhetoric. Mhmm. This is why you take young boys when you are the alpha male, and you do things like get them a dog and make them take care of that dog. And when they don't wanna go out and clean its poop or feed it or whatever, you make sure it does that. And when they don't do that kind of thing, like, say, they didn't feed their dog today, you take away their food. Well, you're hungry? How do you like that? Well, then understand your dog also doesn't like that. This is the epitome of husbandry. You need to have empathy toward the other things that you're the husband of. And if they aren't feeling good and their life isn't right, then you need to make it right. And they need to start those lessons young because that's not a natural thing for people to care more about other people, especially in such a hedonist society that we have today. And in my opinion, a lot of what the red pill is preaching turns men into hedonists.
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Yeah. I'm trying to answer Marcus's question in the the private chat. Sure. I know. Sure. We're And I have Internet bars of death. I'm hella un unreliable with the bandwidth right now. I don't know why. But, yeah, we're live on the Slow News Day. Rockin', the AM wake up odyssey, and the AM wake up bit shoot right now.
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Okay. Perfect. Yeah. Just wanna know where we might expect some questions to come in, Sharon. There there's a couple in the rocks then. Okay.
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Let's see. Might not be, the the show for this. I don't know. Maybe it is. Should you fight esotericism with more esotericism, or is that playing into their hand? That's the question. You wanna go with do anybody wanna take a 1st
[00:22:36] Unknown:
the first, I would like to first, I would like to clarify where the general is the general public, should they be particularly exposed to the esoteric and at least have it heavily explained in the ways that we're trying to do esoteric for dummies. Like, should that happen? Should the general public have access to esoteric knowledge?
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Does the question should imply that there are dangers to exposing them? And that it might be a overall a harmful thing. And I think the answer is probably yes. That giving someone, you know, a chainsaw, starting it up for them, and then handing it to them and say, you know, go have fun with this thing. You've never held a chainsaw before. You're not gonna know what to expect with the energy and the feedback and the kickback and all these things. So for that reason, certainly, if you give someone just the most powerful magic and they haven't gone through natural organic progressive steps to achieve levels of that finesse.
Just like in a gym, you know how much weight you can push from a barbell. You're not going to double that weight and then expect to safely handle that type of thing. So then the question might be reframed at this point in the argument to say, do we want to put training wheels on people for them to have Babby's first, Esotericism lesson? And there are many occult bookstores that sell those books. Every book is a 1 on one book. Every author in the field is asked by their editor and by the publisher to write more beginners guides to sort of 1 on one books. You even go into Reddit and then Reddit, the old cult subreddit. All the questions generally are beginner questions that have been asked many, many times before. So people have, a desire to figure this stuff out, but then by pointing out that there is such, tradition as in the western esoteric tradition, a lot of this probably shown them in music videos and movies and, you know, the so called Illuminati gang signs and triangles everywhere and pattern recognition and this type of thing.
So people who have some idea of esoteric symbolism and magical knowledge and these types of things, employ them in their art and whether or not it's weaponized or not, that's a separate debate. People are aware that these ideas exist. They wanna know more about them, but then they become kind of stuck in a consumer loop to say, well, I need to buy this book. And then with that book, it has more questions so they have to buy 3 more books. So really, it becomes kind of a hamster wheel where no one actually says straight out what it is, and then they winking on at you and say, well, that's the mystery. But then so many people do drown in that, and it leads to mental health issues, schizophrenia, the worst types of demonic possession, this type of thing where people just go crazy with this stuff.
So probably a good idea to guard yourself, but that really is, your own decision. And if I tell someone, you know, the stove is hot and the blue flame meditation's burning, and they haven't done it themselves, so they don't know how hot it is or what that means or what a temperature is.
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So I think that, well, 1, I I don't think the general public writ large wants to be exposed to the esoteric information that's available. I think there's going to be, a relatively small. And if you ask me to put a percentage to it, I I don't I don't know if I could. But let's say, for for sake of argument, you know, fit 10, 15%. The entire US population would at some point inquire, but there's the the, you know, inverse to what you're talking about, Marcus. It is that people want to try to unring the bell when shit gets too real. And so the the more you look into that, it can be potentially repellent to a lot of people who first start to inquire about this stuff, especially if they've seen all of the underpinnings that run through the vast majority of people's governments, the vast majority of their civic institutions, the vast majority of their schools or universities.
And so there there's, yeah, the the inverse to, you know, demonic possession and Sure. Complete obsession with all of that is that there's a screening process on the front end pretty quick.
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So that's where you run straight into the glass wall to realize that once an individual is initiated into the mysteries, there is no uninitiation. There's no putting in the toothpaste back in the tube. You might get some of it in there, but you're still gonna have that strange experience. And then you might end up the rest of your life being absolutely gas lit about what happened or what didn't happen. And it just becomes this itching, burning sensation that you're living with, and it's just discomfort all around. And that's really the mystery of it, which probably leads to my next point about why it's Halloween, you know, satanic panic, this type of thing where the idea that all esoteric knowledge, all magic, all witchcraft, wizardry, all of these things somehow are always black magic or always that type of thing.
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So
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so, from my perspective, and this is just, you know, having watched all this for a number of years. For some people, it's gonna be easier to understand from the conspiracy, angles. When it was just a niche of people, sure, people talked about weird things and whatnot, but mostly, the people that were talking were well researched. The things that they were throwing out, yeah, sure. Sometimes they were they're wild, but, they there's at least some backing to it. Now you look at 2020 where we had a giant flood of people join the conspiracy world who know nothing about it, and all of a sudden, they're, like, looking at little little pieces of what all of the rest of us spent years researching and making determinations and then just throwing out whatever because now, like, their reality is just twisted and broke.
And so now all of a sudden, you you you can get drowned out because you don't believe that jets fly off of air and magic or something. And so you get drowned out by a room full of people that are screaming at you even though you've spent years years researching and actually doing work, and it it's absolutely insane. And so when you look at the esoteric world, one of the biggest examples I would use is is this understanding of, the hermaphrodite, the way that that the hermaphroditic aspect of things is brought out so heavily. And so when you look at Mercury, Mercury is not hermaphroditic at all.
Mercury is not is is 0. Mercury is representative of Gunungagap, the the void, the all mother. And so the all mother is is sitting in opposition of the all father. Now the all father is split into a polarity, which gives it a positive side and a negative side. Now because Mercury in and of itself, if you think about a void, which has nothing, well, then if I put positive in there, now it's got a positive aspect. If I put negative in there, it's got a negative aspect. So it's not really a hermaphroditic thing. It's a neuter thing, but really what the, the All Mother is doing is taking in healing the 2 side polarized sides of the All Father and transitioning them and keeping and communicating between those two sides.
And then eventually, if you do the great work marrying those two sides, so there's a reunification of the polarized sides of the all father. But to try and explain all that to somebody who doesn't give a shit, they're just like, oh, I saw a meme, and it says Mercury is this, and now you know? And that's the problem is is the esoteric, the occult was only ever meant for people that truly are serious about it and wanna study it and want and have a, a avid interest in it and are willing to, dedicate a lot of energy and physical time to it and and resources. And this is part of why you weren't even supposed to be able allotted the ability to start, serious esoteric research until you were 40, until you got past all those years where you had to go chasing pussy, getting drunk, you know, you went out and you you made money, you you fed your ego.
Now now now are you gonna continue down that or do you wanna do something else? Do you wanna find the secrets of the universe? Do you wanna make yourself something more? And so that, that that that was for a very few people. And so I don't believe that that's something that the general public should ever have had access to. I think be it's having done having done esotericism for dummies has only made it so they do some really stupid things and and, very similar to the way everybody I know that talks about NLP is the people that are the most, like, influenced by NLP.
You're like, dude, how can you list all this all the conditions, but, like, you fall for every NLP person.
[00:33:47] Unknown:
Very well said. I'm asking myself now, hypothetically, is there a level above alpha male? And with the conversation about magic and esotericism and personal development and neurolinguistic programming, does someone who wants to be an alpha male decide that they could use, initiatorial cult order in some way, read some books, learn magic, and then transcend the alpha male to be the super omega supreme alpha male of the the the king of the witches.
[00:34:26] Unknown:
I think that that would be an extreme minority.
[00:34:31] Unknown:
A very but, like, of course, the potential exists. Sure. Sure. It does. But I think that aspirational. So you aspire to be the supreme alpha male above all of the other
[00:34:43] Unknown:
alpha males. I think that there's so many other shortcuts that exist in terms of products that you can take whether legal or extra legal surgeries that you can have. I think that people would rather take the shortcut, especially if they're of the mindset that, like, oh, I have to be, you know, fucking what the world's tallest midget or however that works.
[00:35:11] Unknown:
The the the Ubermensch I I do believe that that there are there are is a class of of greater men who, in these men, are meant to be leaders. But I also think, and this is a thing that we were talking talking about, was this before the show that we were talking about schools and, yeah, school indoctrination? Yeah. I said I said I would have a debate where I think that the what we consider your, elementary school and your high school, I don't think boys should mostly be involved in. I think that's a feminine thing. It's made for girls. The language arts and things like that, that was always a a feminine thing.
This is boys should be learning trades and learning how to live, learning how to fix things, how to keep infrastructure, the things that they're actually gonna most likely do and make money and succeed at. Girls do much better at, schooling for a reason because it's it's it's their thing, And this is part of where we feminize boys, and we've also taken away the skills where, a boy that would've normally went to work with his dad and gained a skill set, that boy at by the time he's 18, he he is a master compared to the people today where now we get these 18 year old kids, and these kids don't know how to tie their own shoes or or or change a tire.
And then they're out on a construction site, and they're just a danger is what they are. They're a damn danger. And so we've handicapped these boys in order to make in order to feminize them to make sure that they could do something that they're never gonna do anyways. And even the math that we teach them, they can't read a tape measure than when they get out in the field. They can't do calculations off of a blueprint. What math did you teach them? It certainly wasn't functional math. You put that boy out there reading some tape measure, he's gonna have him some functional math. And so, but I also put in the caveat, and this is what brings me around to Marcus's point, that the men that are supposed to be leaders though, that above and beyond the average man, that man definitely needs that secondary types guy, style of schooling. He needs to be representative more of both sides of things and have a higher understanding of things. So absolutely, you could take that one step further to the esoteric where that man would start delving into higher thoughts of philosophy and esotericism.
[00:37:44] Unknown:
Yeah. So that got me thinking about different communication styles. The idea that the socialization that occurs in primary education tends to lead towards people going to college. And now this is where we have, a divergence in the path where a man needs to choose. Do you go into the trades? Do you find an apprenticeship? Do you go to college? Do you try to learn, like, like a communication studies major or psychology or something? And, a male way of communicating is, a demonstration of a skill set. So that would be stand back, I'm going to demonstrate how this works, and then other men can see that, see how it works, and then be able to do that on their own.
Now an anecdote I'll inject here is the fact that a calculator supersedes the needs for using fingers to count fingers and toes for math just as Velcro supersedes the needs for shoelaces. So I'll be an adult male walking around with Velcro shoes for the rest of my life because I don't need to learn to dye my shoe or use mental math or anything because there's other technologies. But then it turns out, now I've just been mugged by other men who can tie their own shoes and can calculate a tip on a date, and those are skills that I didn't learn on my own. So that that was rough, real rough for me. But I did have a female teacher in 2nd grade who said, you know what?
We're gonna focus on tying your shoes. Okay? Wear shoes with laces every day and learn to tie them. So take them off, set the laces, and then learn step by step to, with nimble fingers, move your fingers. This is a skill set. This is a hands on demonstration of learning. So I did have a female teacher who helped me in 2nd grade tie my shoes. By 3rd grade, I could I could run-in them. I wasn't tripping over my my loose shoelaces, this type of thing. So there are some good female teachers, Balderson. I don't know if we wanna argue if
[00:40:03] Unknown:
men Well, I I I wasn't saying I wasn't saying that there isn't good female teachers. That's not the the that I'm saying that the school system in and of itself and this the way the schooling is feminine in its aspects. We're going out and working in the field to and gaining your trade through your hands in an apprenticeship type, fashion is a masculine way of doing things. And that we are forcing young boys to develop a feminine before they've developed their masculine. And some of them boys are never gonna use or need the feminine. They're just confused. They do badly in school. They just end up working on a construction site anyways. Why aren't you allowing them boys to be skilled men when they come out at 18 and be far advanced in the things that they were always gonna do? Why are you forcing them to do something that isn't natural for most boys? There's a reason that little girls like my granddaughter, she's 4 and you can't shut her up. She has, like, a fucking 3,000 word vocabulary.
It's almost it's like, oh my god. And and all my girls have been like that. And the boys, they're always behind in their speech, but you I tell you what, they can take apart anything and put it half back together half the time, and they can and they're always, girls are very clumsy. Girls have to learn how to have that grace. Boys are typically much more agile, much more aware of their body. Yeah. They hurt themselves a lot more, but that's because they run around taking all kinds of risks and being rough and tumble with themselves. And so, of course, you take a 100 chances, you're gonna get hit on the dinger sometimes.
So that's just the way it is. But the girls, they they my my middle daughter, I swear, she could trip and hurt herself over freaking color changes in the carpet, like, where there's a different spot and she like, what did you trip over? And she just it's all and I know so many girls like that, but boys are naturally, mechanically gifted, physically gifted. They wanna be outside working. To at the end of the day, this is where most men end up going and working anyways. Why are you forcing them to do things that they shouldn't be doing? So I'm not saying that women, I'm not making any kind of a judgment about whether it's a man or a woman doing the teaching.
I'm making a judgment about what style of learning they're putting these children through.
[00:42:42] Unknown:
Okay. I'll push back by stating maybe in college setting, we have something called a liberal arts degree. So at what point should we be exposing 3rd graders to a more liberal arts, giving them a rounded education with gym class and then a science class and then an art class and a music class. And then we talked about the importance of recess, certainly. Is there a a better method of teaching boys versus girls? Should they be separate at at from kindergarten and preschool? At what point should they be in the same room together? At what point should boys and girls be taught separately?
And is that sexist to even say?
[00:43:33] Unknown:
I mean, no. It's fair. There's certainly, you know, all boy and all girl schools and have been for a very, very, very, very, very long time. I there's, depending on, you know, which place you look, the there's a marginal difference in terms of, graduation rate among, like, you know, decent to high performing schools, like, slightly more if the schools are sexually segregated, slightly. But you have to compare that to, you know, well or high performing schools because they do have a nice gradual graduation rate. Sure. For the longest time, you know, there were all girls colleges here in the United States before they started to, to go coed.
And the thinking was you'd be less distracted. What they found is that you'll just go off campus, and go find someone, you know. And so, like, you
[00:44:57] Unknown:
it's at a certain point here though, we're kinda off target with this where I I didn't say separate boys and girls. Boys would learn an entirely different skill set that taking boys and putting them by themselves and still putting them through a feminized learning process with feminine arts is still not gonna make boys accept that any better. Now if you took girls and put them in shop class and made them do nothing but shop class for 12 years, and the boys would obviously exceed the girls in that, and we could be, oh, wow. Boys are so much better at school. I don't even understand why. And so to take that group of boys in the all boys school needs to be doing boy things.
[00:45:41] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the, the school that my my youngest son goes to, they do, like, may I mean, it's coed, but they do mandatory outside shit, and they're doing, like, practical engineering of things. And, it's it's really fucking cool. It is.
[00:46:02] Unknown:
Some of these new schools that they've got are are super cool. They really are. And and, these ones where these, kids can take something more tailored toward them. For as much as I despise California in a lot of ways, I homeschooled my kids, here in California, and they don't care what you're teaching them. Just teach them something. So they did allot me to my boys learned permaculture and mechanics and electricity, and they had to take whole courses and everything. That's how, my friend, Matt Powers, it's been on Crow and been on my show. That's how we met. He was actually, I was taking his courses. Absolutely fantastic.
So, California actually allots that kind of thing, and so that's super it's neat that those schools are starting to come up. But on the general United States purview, or United States, practice, that's absolutely not what's what's happening. You've got, we were just back home where I live. You you go to the public school or you go to the Catholic school. That's your options. And you get taught the same things, basically, except for one includes God.
[00:47:14] Unknown:
So what are the performance metrics to measure progress? And at some point, you know, a high school diploma has certain, the equivalency exam, the GED or high school diploma. Like, a GED is not the same as the high school diploma, but, you know, they're pretty much to say, you've you've crossed this milestone. You've gone through the public education system. Do we have enough of those set up for students? Should there be more of them? Should be less of them? And do we put any stock into performance metrics with, like, standardized, tests?
Minnesota has, graduation standards, this type of thing. Is that with the no child left behind act? And what has been kind of the follow-up from that for better or worse?
[00:48:00] Unknown:
Well, it's definitely been worse. The the no child left behind act started really a floodgate of, complete and total educational destabilization in the country. And what it's done and the fallout from it is that schools don't get to function unless the the students have x amount of graduation rate, which in reality turns into the school grows in bureaucracy to try to solve the problem. And homeowners still pay property tax or still pay a tax for the school based on the value of their property. And that's what funds the schools in most places. So regardless, you as the homeowner are getting screwed whether or not the school performs.
So if you have to put your kid in public school, if you have to, which over the last 4 years has become less and less an option for more and more people in all different facets, whether they're, you know, looking at different charter schools, whether they're looking to homeschool or a homeschool community where it's, you know, handful of at least quasi qualified people to teach 4, 5, 6, 7 year olds. Yeah. Like, I but that's the you know, which really doesn't take much. It really takes patience that I don't have, but
[00:49:44] Unknown:
it doesn't it doesn't take much. Sure. Can I throw out another potential prompt and maybe we'll just make a note of it and move on? We've talked about separating men and women. You know, we had a point in US history where there was segregated schools based off of I don't know. Can we even say that r word? Color of skin, this type of thing, neighborhood type of thing. Oh, because we're on YouTube. Is there a is there a debate to be had about more specific focused groups of people put in certain classrooms that are more similar to what they would look like their brother and sister or cousin in this type of thing?
[00:50:34] Unknown:
Well, I mean, there's absolutely a hot debate to be had about it. But that debate would be more of a historically textured based debate because it did not do well for any of the people when they forced segregation, or desegregation where they started taking because you can talk to people on the on the, East Coast where they were taking kids out of schools and then putting them in other schools in order to force desegregation.
[00:51:08] Unknown:
I I went to a high school like that.
[00:51:11] Unknown:
Yeah. It wasn't good for any
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like, in in in in It was fantastic for our basketball team.
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Right.
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Right. Tell you. But
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but but but it didn't help, you know, the the kids that they did it to nor the kids that went to that school. And it really, was not well thought out. But, again, now that we're in today's society where this segregation, the desegregation has been, very thorough for a very long time, I would state that we the government should not get involved in it at all. And if, the school naturally, the area because there are people that do, like I dated a Russian girl and all the people that she lived around, every house in that neighborhood was owned by a Russian. They shopped at a Russian grocery store. If you wanted coffee, you went to the Russian coffee shop. And there's other ethnicities that do the same thing.
And so if if your school, is that entire ethnicity, I have zero problem with that. Go ahead. I think the government shouldn't step in one way or the other because once they did, it wasn't a good thing. But now that it's been years years for them to go in and meddle again is definitely not gonna make it better. Like, that's a fact.
[00:52:35] Unknown:
We never meddle to make it better. They only meddle to make it worse. It's counterintuitive meddling unless the, you know, societal breakdown is your your goal.
[00:52:50] Unknown:
The thing is the the goal, I would argue, is the mixing of everything. I might call the zendiafication of all Dune remakes going forward.
[00:53:00] Unknown:
Okay. Well, there there's that, but, you know, there's, a lot to an argument at that point for, you know, preserving everybody's cultural identity regardless of Right. Where you rank on the melanin scale. You know, and that's something that, Americans as a national identity, that's been under complete assault for most of my life as far as I can recall. Yeah, there was a you know, there were flashes of it where I've like, we kind of had some shit figured out. I feel like there there were a handful of things that we had mostly solved, you know, in the early in the mid nineties.
And then post 911, it really, really kicked into overdrive. In terms of the fracturing of, you know, cultural identity and then national identity and, you know, not really given sideways damn what somebody's skin color was if they were, you know, down to freaking smoke a joint and not be a dick. You were probably gonna be able to hang out.
[00:54:25] Unknown:
We did get a little bit into this topic before we started recording about the idea of a Taco John's franchise and how some people have never tasted Taco John's before. Is that something I can bring up? Is that safe topic?
[00:54:41] Unknown:
My wife had never eaten Taco John's because, Taco John's is what the Midwest because it it's literally, I believe, Cheyenne, Wyoming is the very first Taco John's is where it's arrived out of. And so, obviously, there was nothing Mexican going on whatsoever. Well, not since the cowboy days. Yeah. And so they call well, in the cowboy days, it was cowboys and Indians, not Mexicans, especially Well, this is the plains Indians. You know? This is the the Lakota the Lakota and the the Lakota and the Dakota. And, and so, this is what white people from the Midwest think Mexican food is. And so that's what we have and and the thing they're most famous for, and this is fucking hilarious.
And because, you know, I'm a white person and despite what they try to portray today, white people do have culture, and they have very varied culture. And potatoes is a very white people thing. And so they have this thing called the potato ole, which is a little tater tot, which what white people would call Mexican seasoning, meaning it has a slight bit of flavor to it. No heat whatsoever. And There's a cumin flavor to it. Yeah. And so that that is the most famous thing from Taco John's, the Mexican place is a potato.
[00:56:01] Unknown:
A deep fried tater tot placed into a burrito with a black olive. So that's an Italian taste with, Irish potato with some refried beans. Taco John's doesn't do rice though, and I think that's a little bit racist of them, But maybe that's a hard stance they have to take to be the west text met west text. What do they call them? Flavored?
[00:56:25] Unknown:
Comparatively.
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Tex Mex.
[00:56:27] Unknown:
Comparatively, Taco John's is probably the most inclusive and diverse fast food restaurant
[00:56:36] Unknown:
in the entire Midwest. I I think they should be applauded for that. Sure. As opposed to something like Dairy Queen where only women are allowed to work there during the summer times.
[00:56:48] Unknown:
Not the one that, in my hometown, man. That Dairy Queen was owned by a freaking just crazy Persian, and he would let literally every derelict on the planet work there.
[00:57:06] Unknown:
Dude, my hometown, like, 12 year old girls would be working at Dairy Queen. And not only would they be paying minor having minors work for them, because in South Dakota, which we we South Dakota, you can work on a farm when you're, like, 5. Yeah. But to get an in city job, you're supposed to be, I think, 14, and they would let 12 13 year old girls and then wouldn't pay them minimum wage. And then when they got busted doing it, they instead of boosting the girls up to minimum wage, they're like, oh, if we give them that much, they'll go crazy. We'll, like, give them 5¢ for, like and then 6 months later, give them 5 more cents. Like like yeah. They go crazy. You start giving them wage. That's a lot of money.
My minimum wage back then was, like, 3.76 or something like that or 45 or it was under $4.
[00:58:02] Unknown:
OG Pablo's in the Rockfins said day o' coffee only hires hot teens.
[00:58:08] Unknown:
Well, I did bring up the Abercrombie and Fitch scandal, apparently. Yeah. The guy, you know, extremely into young men decided that to be an Abercrombie and Fitch model, you would have to sleep with the guy who is in charge of everything. So it turns out that's sacrificing.
[00:58:30] Unknown:
Not a good thing. Yeah. No. That's a a very bad thing. And, it's Whitney Webb pointed it out earlier today, but he's, like, he's been mentored by Les Wexner, who for some reason remains untouchable.
[00:58:52] Unknown:
So is he the most alpha supreme, high wizard, grand lodge, arc, druid type of person, this Lex Wexner? Les Wes Wes Wes Wesner? What's his name?
[00:59:02] Unknown:
Les Wesner. And, I mean, it for whatever reason, you know, yet to really see any of the same treatments that, like, Peter and I got or, a number of other high profile people in the fashion world Okay. Doing the exact same thing. Wexner owned, the limited and all of the affiliate stores, tied to a number of beauty pageants and things like that. And so, Forever 21 too, I think, maybe. But,
[00:59:43] Unknown:
is Abercrombie and Fitch bigger than most? That's with that's we're talking about. Right? It was a pretty huge brand
[00:59:52] Unknown:
in the nineties, maybe, like, early 2000. I it's, as far as I know, it's in, like They never sold them in my local gas station. That's where I got my jeans. Right. Right. Yeah. They were a mall place or, like, a storefront in a city. But yeah.
[01:00:13] Unknown:
We didn't have a mall till I was, like, 17 or yeah. 17. We had the bed we had the the We had a ghetto mall.
[01:00:22] Unknown:
We had a I've never had a ghetto mall. Inside an Abercrombie and Fitch, but I heard that they had the lights out in the store. So it's a very dark store. Steve, have you been into a a Abercrombie and Fitch? I haven't been in too. No. It was well lit, the one that I went into. Okay. I I know that there was some store in the mall, and it wasn't Hot Topic, and it wasn't Spencer's, but inside, the lights were very, very dim.
[01:00:47] Unknown:
Alright. Watch out for that with strip clubs when you're young. Not that I would go to 1 anymore, but when you're young, that's good information if you're being dumb and doing that kind of thing. The low lit ones, avoid.
[01:01:01] Unknown:
Yeah. There's there's 2 ways you can tell. 1 is that way. The other is, how often your feet stick to the floor when you pick them back up. K? So if if
[01:01:16] Unknown:
and and just that's in general. That's spilled drinks. High fructose corn syrup on the floor, but you're suggesting it might be
[01:01:24] Unknown:
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I'm I'm I'm saying spilled drinks would would be overwhelmingly why? It's just and lack of overall cleanliness throughout the shift. Lazy,
[01:01:37] Unknown:
not, you know, mopping the floor. You you you also might want to if there's more than 2 semis outside in the parking lot, also just just
[01:01:48] Unknown:
walk away. There's that thigh bruises on the strippers. That's a a no no. Don't, don't hang out there. Don't do that.
[01:02:04] Unknown:
Those are not razor bumps.
[01:02:06] Unknown:
So these are all arguments in favor of staying home and participating in OnlyFans as opposed to going to dimly lit? No. That's still No sex work.
[01:02:15] Unknown:
And that's I think OnlyFans should be made illegal. I think strip clubs should be too. Okay. Let's get into the OnlyFans a little bit. If you're gonna go to 1, don't go to a dimly lit one. I'm just saying. Right. Right. I know young men's young men are not gonna listen to me when I tell them don't go chasing. They don't listen.
[01:02:42] Unknown:
So OnlyFans, how do we deal with the OnlyFans problem? What's the solution to the OnlyFans epidemic? And what is what is the Bring back Backpage. Make them earn it. Craigslist. It's odd. It's it's odd. It's that way. Yep.
[01:03:02] Unknown:
Steve's killing it tonight. You have to place an advertisement in a paper pier Steve, I'm in a hotel. I have to be quiet. You're making me you know how hard this is? I'm actually might have a fucking heart attack over here, bro.
[01:03:19] Unknown:
Oh, man. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. But, no, I'm not I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. Sure. Because, really, the the two things happened that made, the only fans explode. And one was they shut the entire country down.
[01:03:39] Unknown:
Mhmm. And,
[01:03:40] Unknown:
when that happened, like, either right before or right after they banned Backpage and things like that where you had traditionally been able to if you were so inclined to go freaking rant your pussy out.
[01:03:59] Unknown:
Okay. So churches close on Sunday and instead broadcast to Zoom and live streamed, whereas the same thing happened with gentlemen dance establishments with exotic overtones. They went to private online destinations, and that was during a time when everything was shut down. People were told to stay at home.
[01:04:25] Unknown:
Well, in in what's funny is is that most people would immediately look at the finance finances of it. And that isn't where the real problem comes in because, honestly, most of them girls don't even make minimum wage. Mhmm. It's not the financial aspect of it. It's the attention aspect of it. And women are very masculine attention driven creatures, and it's just what they do. Men want attend want peer attention. Women want men's attention. And once they've gotten that kind of attention, and then the things that they do, get gets them more attention when it's really rough things, well, they just keep seeking that and seeking that. And where the real problem comes in is that by the time they've developed enough wisdom to realize that none of these men actually have any interest in having a genuine person to person relationship with them, then they're too old and then a a dude that is worthwhile.
And the problem problem is is because they had so many men going after them at that point, they start labeling themselves as high value, and they were never that value. And now they're chasing after these men that they think are just, you know, these 10 men. You know? Women are extremely selective with men, And the the value isn't there, but they still think it is. And any decent man doesn't want them. And so we have a whole generation of women that are gonna be, and this is why the whole cat woman thing comes up where they're gonna be cat ladies. They're not gonna have children that love them. They have no actual future. And because, you know, this is my whole thing with why I think people that don't own land shouldn't vote because then you don't have any, real skin in the game.
You don't have any real reason to care whether that land is worth something in 20 years, whether that city is is functioning. And so the same thing applies to society. You're gonna when she dies, she knows it's all over right there. You only live once.
[01:06:46] Unknown:
So Is your argument that OnlyFans is more than a skin only game, and it's the attention that is the concern?
[01:06:55] Unknown:
The I'm go ahead, Ben.
[01:06:59] Unknown:
No. Go ahead, Steve. It's your turn. It's
[01:07:01] Unknown:
it's, like, way more than that though because it's, you know, not just a one way exchange there. Like, there's a whole flocks of simps Mhmm. That are being financially drained. They're being, they're being programmed to have that exact same kind of relationship or at least attempted experience in real life.
[01:07:34] Unknown:
Just like a behavioralism thing? Like, there's some psychology here where Yeah. Well, because your brain is programmable.
[01:07:40] Unknown:
No. Your brain is programmable. And if you were getting this girl to do these perverted things that normal women wouldn't do for you, you know, especially without some kind of a, you know, equal exchange type thing where maybe she's like, no. I don't like that kind of thing. Well, to to to force demand through money, basically. Okay. You're just getting your way. Well, now now because you're using this is my whole thing about porn with guys in the first place. Yeah. You you naturally start watching more and more, exotic things.
Well, you're literally wiring your brain to to achieve this awesomeness to that act. So now that that act becomes hardwired into your brain, especially the more and more you do it. So now when you go home, the the I remember, like, especially when you're young, like, that first time a girl just brushes her lips across your neck. You're like, oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. You're telling all your friends, oh, my God. You could feel it on your neck for like a month. You're like, right there is where it happened. Her lips touched me right there. You know?
And and all that's gone. All that's gone. Now you're like, oh, if I don't if I'm not putting it in her in her rear end and donkey punching her afterwards, I'm not getting off, man. Like, that you have you have severely damaged your capability of having a meaningful sexual life and a relationship with a woman.
[01:09:13] Unknown:
Yeah. When we were when we were talking off camera before, that that was basically in line with what what I was gonna say. I don't know if we can say that word on YouTube.
[01:09:26] Unknown:
Could start to spell it out, and we can turn this into a spelling bee. Prawn?
[01:09:32] Unknown:
Sure. Prawns. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That you guys are right. That one's a term of service, isn't it? I need to not say that. Sure.
[01:09:41] Unknown:
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[01:09:43] Unknown:
that are of a skin tone primarily. Well, I mean, you I think we which what's crazy is you can't say prawns, but you can say OnlyFans hoes all day long.
[01:09:55] Unknown:
You can't say hoes either. I think you have to say, or or you can't say it's like 3 that's why they say that whole 304 thing.
[01:10:03] Unknown:
Oh, it's yeah. It's like on a calculator again. You put 3 zero four in the calculator and turn it upside down and it's boots.
[01:10:11] Unknown:
Right.
[01:10:12] Unknown:
8008.
[01:10:13] Unknown:
Okay. So that's why they're calling you 3 zero fours now.
[01:10:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm
[01:10:22] Unknown:
not usually on YouTube. There's a lot of, you know, code words to use and slang and vernacular, certainly. I guess I was under the impression that men were paying
[01:10:34] Unknown:
for. Say, you can say you can say SA, but you can't Right. Say the whole thing. And you also can't say the more aggressive version of that. You need to be like, grape. You know, I'll you know? Right. Right.
[01:10:49] Unknown:
That's so freaking silly.
[01:10:52] Unknown:
Yes. It is. It well, you can't it it stops productive conversations, but that's also part of what they wanna do. Because, again, we live in a highly feminized world, and we can't have real gritty conversations. And, you know, and until we get down to real gritty conversations because that's where reality is. Reality gritty as fuck. We need to be where the rubber meets the road, baby. Don't show me your fucking dyno sheet. I don't give a fuck. Well,
[01:11:20] Unknown:
the back to the only fans point, though, it's just Internet hoo ain't real hoo
[01:11:27] Unknown:
That's not real coochie. Sure. Whoop. Yeah. So then I'd argue back and say, I don't think that the texting relationship between a simp and his dominant female in his life is a exchange of flesh thing. It seems to be like the girlfriend experience argument. So if the guy has to pay and I'm seeing the amount of money for her to look into the camera, say his name, and then say, I I love you. I value you. You're skilled. Your art is awesome. You're you slam dunked that basketball at that game today. It was great. That type of thing. The sort of words of affirmation. Are are women selling the girlfriend experience, and is that what buyers are buying?
[01:12:14] Unknown:
Well, that absolutely.
[01:12:16] Unknown:
Go ahead, Steve. You say, I mean, the that's that's some of it. What but what it is is it's a, attention drain. It's an energy drain. The it's, in many cases, a financial drain, and, it's taking away from that dude's ability to have a meaningful interaction with people, period, but members of the opposite sex specifically at all because the amount of time and effort and energy that that simp is putting into that what he thinks is a relationship or at least an ex you know, the that's, that's all being eaten up by, again, the Internet Gucci, which again isn't real.
[01:13:12] Unknown:
The funny thing is is then she takes and rather than go and seeking a decent man, she'll go ahead and throw hers go throw that thing away for free to some loser who doesn't give her anything and then hate men because of it when he doesn't take care of her. But I I like where Steve's sticking, and I wanna stick there because of next week's and using the prep for that. Where's the damage that says coming for men? And I think that in general, even taking the, red pill aspect of this, where they're trying to teach these men how to go out and actually get it, I think that's a that's even as much of a problem as the actual only fans in the porn.
And I think that, because then all they are is devaluing themselves and devaluing the women. And I understand that they think that the, there's that entire case to be made that women want a man that's desired. And and that's a very childish woman that's like that. That the the dude that's with other women, she wants that that dude and blah blah blah. That's a very childish woman. That you're not seeking high value woman in that point in time. And the fact is is as a respectful per as to become a respectable person and a high value person in this society, in western society, you're one man who has one wife and he treats that wife well and she stands behind them and they see a united they call it power couple even. And that means that it's a wife and a husband that stand together firm, and everybody respects that. That is the highest value in this society.
And so the fact is is if you're a philanderer, that's not respected. It's not respected at all. And so to try and teach these men that, what you should be teaching them is is what a high value woman wants is a stable man who knows how to provide and then not only provide for her, but provide for the potential children that they're gonna have together. And that she knows he's not gonna go run around because he wasn't chasing the putty before this. Why would he start chasing the putty now? This was a driven man who's about being an honorable strong man, and he chose me to come along on that ride, and I'm gonna stand with it. That's what people respect, and there's a fucking reason. And you're doing nothing but devaluing these young men and devaluing the girls that they're floundering with.
[01:15:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I I I think it's basically a way for, well, it's what what it is is it's the other side of the feminism coin. And it seems to be, having as equally a destabilizing effect on healthy relationships as feminism has had for the last at least 50, 60 years. And they're, in the where that used to be, in the space where that used to be, it it was really just, you know, dude's ability to hang out with other dudes and not make it weird. You fought more from time to time. You took more risks. You, you know, got to figure out where your general place among your peer group structure was, and you had more, like, shared experiences in terms of wins and losses.
So with the what the red pill has done, it has effectively, like, pitted basically all dudes against each other. It doesn't hold, you know, any sort of camaraderie or friendly competition in any sort of high regard.
[01:17:22] Unknown:
It doesn't you said the other side of the feminism coin. Are you referring to the red pill being the other side of the feminism? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:17:30] Unknown:
Yeah. 100%. I agree. The that's there's always, there's always a side b to whatever, you know, short or long term destabilization operation, is being employed against the citizenry at any given time. We've been in 5th generation warfare now for many, many years. And 5th generation warfare, the civilian population is the, well, you're the enemy. Sure. Target. Sure.
[01:18:03] Unknown:
Yeah. What's that is what's that movie? What what 5th phase or something they call it? And it's where the kids turn against the parents, and the kids, they they make it out into a whole alien story. The encounters of the 5th kind? We're we're no. No. No. What's that? Encounters of the 5th kind. What? No. Kids aren't killing their parents in that movie. I haven't seen the movie. I I know there's close encounter to the 3rd kind. There's close encounter to the 4th kind. Oh, oh, 5th kind. Yeah. Okay. 5th kind. You didn't say the 3rd kind. Okay. I see. No. No. This was, like, 15th or something. It had that I think it had that little girl from, kick ass, the little black haired girl, who likes the superhero girl.
And the the last phase of this takeover was where they program these kids and that basically they look through these goggles and the goggles was gonna tell them who's aliens. And as they were looking through the goggles, it was actually all the adults and the other humans. So really, the analogy there was is that the last phase of it was to turn your own kids against you. So they were you were now the enemy, and they were this is how they become into the state cult because you're the enemy now. And so that was what the analogy was there, and they made it into a whole alien thing.
[01:19:25] Unknown:
That makes sense to me. I wanted to touch back on the idea of neurolinguistic programming, and then hearing the idea of, like, the metaphor of the other side of feminism is the red pill. The other side of the coin using a 2 sided coin type of idea. A coin is something that has values. Now we're talking about monetary exchange and temple prostitutes and exchanging money for time and value, these types of things. But the question I wanna ask is how to develop value. We talk about what is and what is not a high value man, what is a high value woman, and the question is how to develop that value, and to who do we owe the responsibility or put the onus on to say, you know, we need to have high value children if we're going back to the argument where parents are responsible for their own children in terms of leading them towards an education, making sure they are educated, then does it does it rest solely on the father to make sure that his son and daughter are developing into high value people and to sort of demonstrate a path forward for them to move towards?
[01:20:43] Unknown:
I don't think that you would put 100% of the responsibility on that, and I also think that, kids are a little bit more well rounded if there's a number of exemplary adults have been it's part of their lives. Yeah. There was a spot in Boulder Creek when I lived there, and Ben met this dude, Ben Unger. Yeah.
[01:21:18] Unknown:
And his wife name was also Christie. It's a layered M and I traded shirts. I still have that shirt. It says the dog father. He has my punisher sweater.
[01:21:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. But, his house was, for years, man, multigenerational. He raised his kids in the house where his mom and her long term, like, second husband lived. The there was a giant front yard, and it was called the yard room. And there were all kinds of people with their kids there all the freaking time, and that's kinda how they they got raised. And everybody got hurt, and everybody laughed a lot. Everybody you know, it was just it was like that. And that, I think, is probably one one of the better environments for especially if you see adults hanging out, like, not being total shitbags, and plenty of live music and lots of good food and stuff like that.
You know? I I would I would encourage that that sort of environment for kids to grow up in because, yeah, they get to see a lot of different examples of grown ups. They get to see, you know, everybody be basically, everybody chopping them when they do something dumb. You know? And be that kind of, like, group accountability gets kids to figure some shit out pretty quick, And I think that's been especially, again, going back to the whole, like, oh, now we all don't leave the house and do school on Zoom. There there's a whole bunch of accountability that hasn't been factored into the lives of far too many kids at this point.
And, that's a shame. It it is. Well, it's a lack of it, but that's yeah.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
I would agree with everything Steve said. For the more controversial aspect of it, I would, state that men, for starts, women's wills are woven on a wobbly wheel. You like Marcus is saying, well, I would agree with Steve. It's not 100% on demand. It is 90% on you to to to steer the ship. And so Oh, yeah. No. That's fair. And so when you take a wife, and this is part of why there's such a disconnection in today's age where guys don't like these boss babes or whatnot, you need a wife that's going to share the same values you do. So that way, when you are out providing for the family and you're not able to be around them, as Steve was saying, the the situation he was describing, I guarantee you all those people had the same basic values.
If somebody in that little in that little microsphere community came up, they all came up and everybody rejoiced over it. If one person got hurt or went down, everybody made sure they have or or 50th that hurt and took their shoulder as much as they could into it and and shared it. And so anybody in that community has a a a distinct need for that community to rise and to thrive. And so you need to pick a woman with the same values as you have. I have a lot of friends that throughout the years now, one of my good friends, I'm not gonna say his name, but I'll use him as an easy example. He picked a girl that was drunk at a bar. That's what what she did is go get drunk at the bar every weekend and tried to take her home and make a hooker into a housewife, And that don't happen. That chick, this is what she enjoys. This is what she wants to do. And that's what she kept trying to do. And now she's done she's done left, and he's having the struggle with, a parenting and with a divorce because in today's yeah. Especially in the Midwest, it's not as bad in on the coastal regions. But in the Midwest, if you get if you separate and you're a dude, good luck. May the odds be ever in your favor. Like, you are definitely about to lose your paycheck and it you might see your kid occasionally. And and the times that you do, that kid's gonna be so horribly turned against you. Like, this is the reality for most dudes, which is why we're seeing these weird movements that are happening. So when you're going and picking these girls rather than chasing tail, you need to build yourself up as a man, have your own home. When you have your own home, guess what? If if the chick that's there doesn't appreciate it, isn't down for this thing you're building, kick rocks, lady. Go back to your parents' house.
Go over wherever else. I don't give a rat's ass. If you have your own home, you are the provider. She's gonna come into that home and fill it with love, boys, but you need to have the home first. This whole bullshit of, oh, we're gonna build a home together. That's some feminized BS, you little pussies. Fucking if you don't have your own home, that's why she gets to wear the pants equal to you because she was equal man to you, you little sissy ass.
[01:26:49] Unknown:
Could we have a full on debate against interior decorators to state that a man should not only have, you know, a basement and a man cave, but the man his house should be his entire house, and it should be designed around him and not having the wife, you know, decorate the living room and the kitchen and all the bathrooms and the hallways and everything, that type of thing. Did literally own your own house and then not make it so that it's feminine leaning with potpourri everywhere, arts and crafts everywhere.
[01:27:22] Unknown:
Oh, that that's gotta be a balance because you gotta understand. Like I said, she is the heart of the home. Mhmm. So she's the one who's gonna spend the majority time in that home. You gotta let her I would I would never let her come out my garage and tell me where to put my wrench. In fact, the times that she comes out into my tool shed and tries to do things, I bite her head off. Like, I don't expect any different. Now, agreed, you also live in that home, so she can't go making it into a high school fairy girl's home. But, you you you know, like my wife, when she first moved in, she was more used to that type of thing. And all they did was make everybody in the house uncomfortable because I've got 5 pit bulls, and we've got you know, I had grandkids. So I had kids that lived with me at the time. And we're rough and tumble, and she's trying to put, like, these delicate little things around. There's gotta be kind of a balance of it, but you've gotta let her, run her ship, though, also. You can't be all domineering and shit about it, man. You guys she's gotta have her space.
Like like, your space is outside. Go hang out in the garage. Well and how many arguments
[01:28:27] Unknown:
after people get married and they move into the house, they start arguing about, well, I need to we need new furniture, and we need to take out loans, and we need to buy, you know, finance new carpets and new curtains and everything. How do you even start a family if you're already in debt because you're so concerned about
[01:28:44] Unknown:
Suck it the fuck up. Like, when Christie moved into my house, 5 gallon were my furniture turned upside down. So that way, you could sit on that. Sure. That would Sure. Burn it. Yes. She likes more furniture than that. We went and got some from a yard sale. It was way better than 5 gallon buckets. You don't like it? Get the fuck out of my house somewhere else. This is my Okay. I'll I'll push back and say at this point, you know, social media exists. Every woman has a phone, and they're all sharing
[01:29:13] Unknown:
pictures of their home and their decorations and everything that's painted beige, so it's trendy. And now the trend has changed, so then they have to change the colors of carpets and curtains and paint this type of thing. So at what point does the man, the alpha male, the head of the home, say, hey. Our home is sacred. It's private. We don't broadcast this stuff online. We don't share pictures of our children anywhere. We don't commoditize them or turn them into a product so that we are somehow an influencer in parenting and mommy groups, this type of thing. Is that even has anyone had that conversation to say push back against sharing, oversharing?
[01:29:58] Unknown:
Oh, I mean, I so I I think there's gonna be a natural, ebb to that, and I kind of see it. Like, I'm seeing less and less of people do engaging in that kind of behavior, because I think it got so blown out of proportion and people started to understand, like, exactly how permanent and prevalent
[01:30:24] Unknown:
those images are. Public images posted to Facebook are printed in front page news reporting criminal behavior, and then now here's your picture on your Facebook page.
[01:30:36] Unknown:
Yeah. So I I think that, because it was there for years, just I mean, blatant out in the open, people didn't really put 2 and 2 together that, like, the Internet is forever and all kinds of people can access those images with all of their intentions may not be pure. You know? Mhmm. And people have started to become more cognizant of just how permanent their information is and what they give up. I think there has been an ebb to that. Now I I could I could be wrong about that. They could just be doing it on different apps, and they probably
[01:31:14] Unknown:
are. Yeah. They've they've But threads now, and I've been on threads a little bit to try and see are there podcasters, are there debaters? What are the topics? Threads has spun out of Instagram, which is still owned by parent company Meta, which began with Facebook. So Facebook starts, people move over to Instagram. Facebook's parent company Meta buys up Instagram. And now from Instagram, they've realized that x form formerly known as Twitter, the bluebird site, is not what it used to be. Elon Musk has destroyed it. Now they've moved to threads. Threads is posting text.
And as far as I've seen, there are not a whole lot of advertisements. So advertisements have completely taken over Facebook. It's completely taken over Instagram. Now threads is the new greener pasture where a lot of people have begun sharing their life, and many of them have not quite learned that lesson. So I see a lot of people talking about they're angry that their followers are not engaged with their posts. They have a lot of numbers, but they're not getting a lot of positive comments and likes and shares and ratings and all these things. So I see that as probably a a more feminine behavior because a lot of these women that I'm seeing on threads, and it might just be that I'm a male, and they think that I wanna see pretty females. They're probably correct. So they show that to me, and I see this behavior feeding back into whatever it is. And I'm recognizing that, you know, I've been on Facebook since 2006.
So all of my accounts have all been linked and turned over, and the amount of data that they have on me over a nearly 20 year period of time is obscene. It's absolutely obscene. And yet have we learned the lessons of the past to say, well, threads is a new thing. But no. No. No. It's it's gonna be the same cycle of new user adoption, people looking for new follows, and people are not acting as man and woman. They're acting as a business entity for their page to get likes and subscriptions and numbers up because they're looking at metrics. They want more numbers, more engagements, and they wanna turn that into dollars somehow. So somehow having a large following equates to just living your life and getting paid to do so. But that's a carrot and a stick analogy where YouTube promise partner program where, man, you just put videos on YouTube, join the AdSense, link it up to your account, and get paid 6 figures a year for putting videos on YouTube?
Haven't we seen that with Spotify as well? Hey. We're looking for some new podcasting talent. We've got a pool of money to hand out, and then they pull the rug out from underneath you. And you've given them information, and it becomes a full time job for people to become content creators in the mundane sense of the word where they're posting information and and clickbait articles. So you give them the tool, and I'm circling back to the esoteric argument. You give somebody a tool, and then they play with it, and then they decide that they wanna get good at playing with the tool and not knowing what the end goal is. They have no end goal in mind. They think they want to be like an influencer, which is, like, the top 0.1 percent of whatever it is. But, again, Skinner box behavior, you hit the button, you get a like, you get the dopamine, you get the satisfaction, you get the feedback loop. People like you. They really like you, but they're all bots, not real people.
[01:35:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, at least I know when people in my, especially the Rockfinch are are heckling, talking mad shit. I I know they're real.
[01:35:19] Unknown:
Sock puppets don't affirm you and tell you your position is correct and provide the echo chamber.
[01:35:27] Unknown:
That's funny. That's funny. We've been pissing people off this week. Yeah. That's okay. Tease is on tomorrow. He makes everything better.
[01:35:40] Unknown:
What have been the hottest topics
[01:35:42] Unknown:
lately? This. Why aren't we debating them? Right? Oh, no. They're just, you know,
[01:35:49] Unknown:
chat chat, chat demons. No. I mean, they're they're there all the time, but, you know, regular watchers. But, yeah, just like talking some shit every now and then. But, no, I Chris Don Harris from the rundown live, the, he was, I think, the original person in the parking lot with Rittenhouse with filming, because he's from Kenosha. And so it was popping off right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He hit me up. He was like, hey. I have a friend that's doing this thing, and it's called, like, free and equal elections. Would you please have her on? And I said, sure. And she came on, and we talked about some stuff that the vast majority of the audience doesn't believe in. But it was a good conversation, and it was very, very, very wide ranging, and it wasn't exclusively limited to I told her what what I thought it it was, which is a a consent ritual for kid diddlers.
But, you know, we have but in spite of that, we had a great conversation. And there are people who just hated that, hated it because we talked about the grown up version of writing a letter to Santa for 45 minutes.
[01:37:14] Unknown:
Okay. They're doing that 2 weeks before the fucking election when people are at the height of, it's so important to vote. Dude, today, we're we're stuck in, Rock Springs, Wyoming. And we did a tour of this, you know, old museum, and they had toothpaste that said vote. Like, that shit's been being pushed for so long.
[01:37:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well and and, I mean, to her credit, she she definitely, agreed that, you know, there there's no such thing as a a free or equal election. That's why she had the the group. And I I didn't wanna just sit there and, like, berate the lady. You know? It was a a buddy of mine that asked if I'd have her on. It's not really you know? Let her air her, you know, side of things and what she's got going on, and it's up to the audience to make up their decision about it. I don't need to, you know, berate a bitch. That doesn't sound doesn't sound like a good way to go about your day.
[01:38:24] Unknown:
No. It doesn't, it doesn't tend to make you any friends and then also anybody that is gonna have, idea that's, you know, gonna be controversial that you might wanna, you know, push back against. Well, if you're just berating about it, then
[01:38:45] Unknown:
Does the Blair Witch Balderson wanna frighten us into what happens if we don't vote? Walked around and maybe got out of the Internet range. There you are. There you are.
[01:39:00] Unknown:
Yeah. I lost connection there for a second.
[01:39:04] Unknown:
I wouldn't say anything important anyways. We're almost past the election season, so we'll be able to breathe a sigh of relief that
[01:39:13] Unknown:
I I don't I I I definitely don't feel like that. It's normally, reflection season. At the end, it, you know, there is that sigh of relief that no matter whether, no matter who won, at least it's fucking over, and we don't gotta hear about it no more.
[01:39:32] Unknown:
Right. But then we'll return to sports.
[01:39:34] Unknown:
Right. We'll always have sports. And I don't feel like that's the case at all. I mean, the last election cycle, you know, they're still talking about the events, from it. I think this one, no matter which side wins, is gonna be vastly worse than, the farce that was January 6th that Steve, was was sitting and watching. I think, rather than being a farce, this one has true potential of being an actual
[01:40:03] Unknown:
insurrection no matter which ways this goes. Well, I was much more standing and watching and, you know, walking around. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I that was a really weird day. It was. It was a really weird day.
[01:40:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Cheney has a lot of things to say about that too. You know? We're, like she said that the way the police were lining themselves up, it funneled everybody. So even if you didn't wanna get pushed into that crowd, they they basically made the crowd substantially larger than what it should have been just by funneling people into it that didn't necessarily wanna go be part of it. They just wanted to see what was going on. And so the whole thing pretty ridiculous, pretty, you know, the fact is is, we all know that, propaganda was legalized on the American public.
And so everything at this point, if if you think it I mean, you can debate whether it was a show or not before that, but when they fully legalize propaganda on the American public, it's all been a Hollywood show since. There's just no two ways about that.
[01:41:12] Unknown:
Is there anyone who debates against that point to say that not everything is propaganda? Some of it is organic, and there are politicians who have a cons constituency that they truly represent. Maybe it's, you know, an underrepresented minority, a group of people that they're fighting for civil rights and wanting to extend rights and grant rights to certain people.
[01:41:38] Unknown:
The last decent politician I knew about, they ran her right out of the country. Steve and I guys talked to her. Not only did they run her out of the country, they make sure that nobody gets to have a decent talk with her and lets her kind of ideals stand as somebody that could actually be a leader.
[01:42:04] Unknown:
Do we wanna talk about sports, guys, dudes, or dudes? We like sports. Yeah. Yeah. Sports. Woman. Sports, beer, boobs. Yeah. Farts. Yeah.
[01:42:16] Unknown:
I do like farts. That that's funny. That's good funny stuff. I care less about sports and beer boobs. Farts, though, that still gets me.
[01:42:26] Unknown:
Do we know anyone who really loves sports and defending the sanctity of the institution, the athleticism of the locker room, and the grid iron, and, like, you know, baseball is real and true, and football is very important, and all these sports are feats of athleticism that are truly athletic, and the the most athletic team always wins because they have the best tactics and strategy and mental mindset. Sports are real, and the scores at the end are well deserved and fought for.
[01:43:05] Unknown:
I mean, there there's just been far too much documentation and different cases over the years of various forms of rigging these contests. And I mean, not all of them not all of them by any stretch of the imagination, but enough to alter the outcome of a postseason or an entire season. And, certainly, there's the New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick approach to rules, which is if there's not a rule against this specific thing, I'm going to do it until they make one. And so
[01:43:55] Unknown:
Sounds like an argument to say that sports are fair. And if they're unfair and proven to be so, rules change, regulation change, referees are there to number of the cheating scandals and rigging scandals involved, the officiating crew in any given sporting event.
[01:44:08] Unknown:
Sure. And that's solved by
[01:44:19] Unknown:
artificial intelligence and computers and videos, which will make the game even more fair now.
[01:44:25] Unknown:
Yeah. It would also be solved by taking out the extreme amounts of money in professional sports, and then the money wouldn't be there for them to care. And and if you just took away professional sports period and fuck these jackasses who think that they get to be entertainers, you know, the it's interesting because it wasn't actually until recent times that those people made the kind of of money that they made. You look at the old school ones, it's like people cry about it. Like, oh, they made normal people money for just doing stuff. Like, then the same applied to actors.
It actually wasn't until, they removed the tax that, the what was it? In the seventies that they removed the tax at anything above, you know, there was a certain wage that the, you know, middle class man even even,
[01:45:20] Unknown:
your average burden security.
[01:45:22] Unknown:
Yeah. And anything above anything above, they got taxed at, like, a 90% rate. So nobody cared about making anything more than that. And there's just the these entertainers, they shouldn't be making insane amounts of money doing things that do nothing for to productive for the society. If you took that money out of that system, then they wouldn't be doing the insane things they're doing because you can't tell me and I don't care what system it is. If it's a $1,000,000,000 company, I'm I'm doing everything I can to make sure it stays making as much money as possible. And that's just what $1,000,000,000 companies do. So when this is a sports entertainment system, they want the most entertaining thing. I remember 1 year back when I watched sports ball, we were watching football and it Tampa Bay, and Tampa Bay's defense was just absolute vicious.
They didn't let nothing happen. They couldn't score a point to save their life, but their, their defense didn't let a point get scored for nothing either. And so they ended up, in the NFC, championship game. And I remember specifically, even on the replays, the refs cheated. And it was to keep the Tampa Bay out of the Super Bowl because it would have been 2 defensive teams against each other. It would have been, like, a 3 point win for a Super Bowl where you just watched you yeah. A stalemate, and they didn't want that happening. That would have lost them 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of dollars. And and so to imagine that if you with that kind of money on the line that you wouldn't cheat, to me that and and make sure that that thing that juggernaut keeps making money, that to me is insane.
[01:47:09] Unknown:
Now now incorporate that, most professional sports teams, also have legal online gambling, and they're, you know, sponsored by FanDuel and then these other places, other gambling houses. The amount of money that's been interjected into it through that is freaking ridiculous. You would normally have to go to somewhere with a casino and a sports book or something like that in order to place that. You can do it from your couch while you're managing your imaginary slave trade, fantasy football team.
[01:47:49] Unknown:
Can you bet with Bitcoin? Can you use cryptocurrency to bet? I don't know. I don't I don't gamble. Oh, you know somewhere somebody's taking Bitcoin. You I'm sure. There's I'm trying to bait I'm trying to bait some crypto bros to come and debate us and argue the topic. The other debate I wanna have is this idea of, like, scoring, the stalemate, the idea that You'll get Jaren. You ought to get Jaren?
[01:48:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Jaren Campanella? I'll ask Jaren. Sure. Sure. So the idea that,
[01:48:19] Unknown:
like, a football game, you get to the best teams that have the best offense. And the fact that it's not decided by, you know, one field goal kick, like, a 3 point to win the game, 0 to 3 wins the game. That kinda proves to me that there's something more going on. It's more of an entertainment thing. People wanna see the sports highlights reels, but wouldn't the trend towards lower scoring games and fewer people's getting scores prove that the athleticism has gotten better, the defense has gotten better? Or is that just the argument that, you know, they have a weak defense they have a weak defense, and everyone just focuses on scoring because that's a debate. That's how you win the debate. You score the most points, you win the debate. If you're in a debate and all you do is defend your position, then you're always on the defensive.
[01:49:09] Unknown:
Well well, here's the problem, and and Ben's kind of identified it a little bit. There the the NFL, the NBA, Major League Baseball, I'm I haven't looked at hockey, but I would imagine hockey. The UFC, and, of course, the WWE are all registered as sports entertainment companies. They're not a league of teams competing against each other for a trophy. So the legal distinction for a sports entertainment company means they can script seasons. They can, call an audible mid game and have the outcome of it changed. The, you know, they can pick winners and losers, and, they have done this for since they've been able to register for it. Was this only allowed after John Madden died?
I know that in, 2011, the NFL successfully argued in court that as a sports entertainment company, they had the right to call shots on, you know, who got to win specific games. Again, not all of them. Not all of them. Sure. But,
[01:50:35] Unknown:
So should the fans then decide who won the game by the amount of rioting that happens after a sporting event? Well, yes. They should. They should.
[01:50:46] Unknown:
And it should there has to be, like, teeth on the ground. At least 3 flip cop cars.
[01:50:53] Unknown:
That's that's what what makes me laugh when people like Destiny try calling that an insurrection. Like, motherfucker, sports teams fucking
[01:51:01] Unknown:
lose and they sports teams win. And the city riots harder than that. Could I could I propose a solution to keeping sports fair and honest? If the team loses at the end of the the match, the fans get to destroy the losers' home turf. Just completely destroy the stadium.
[01:51:25] Unknown:
I mean, you you could do that or you could just, you know, have a Mayan like, ceremony where one of the losing team's players gets to go on the slab.
[01:51:40] Unknown:
So, like, their highest scoring and best performing athlete gets
[01:51:44] Unknown:
head chopped off. Maybe or the person who, you know, screwed up the most that day.
[01:51:52] Unknown:
It doesn't it's, you know I mean, that seems like a double punishment for the losing team. Maybe the winning team should have their top 3 athletes murdered.
[01:52:01] Unknown:
That seems drastic. 3? Well, if we get into the whole money ball aspect Well, if there's 5 people on the, you know, court.
[01:52:10] Unknown:
Right? Basketball. That's yeah. Well, then that gives more opportunities. Is there only 5 is there only 5 people on a tee on the quarter time in basketball? Per team. Yeah.
[01:52:20] Unknown:
Oh,
[01:52:21] Unknown:
well, it seems like a lot of people running around on that one.
[01:52:26] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. The court's really not as big as, as you you would think it would be, so it looks more cluttered. Did you learn everything about NBA from watching Space Jam? Space Jam is my jam. Yes. Yes. This is where I get all of my professional basketball knowledge from. No. I grew up in Indiana. That's where my basketball it's just it's like the whoosh the Hoosiers. The Hoosiers. Yes, sir. Yeah. Alright. Yeah.
[01:52:54] Unknown:
Yeah. I grew up on the North Dakota, South Dakota border. We wrestled. We don't we were we were we were short white farm boys that were, real stocky, and that's what we did was wrestle. Like, or Oaks, North Dakota, which was about 15 miles from my house, they produced, like, 5 Olympic wrestlers, like, in the town that nobody in the world's heard of New Oaks, North Dakota because it's like a 150 people or something. But but, you know, if you've been born there, you've got a pretty high chance of being an Olympic wrestler. It's just it's just how it is.
[01:53:32] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I selected basketball. That's why I left the state when I was 18. They told me to leave. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:53:42] Unknown:
Yeah. I've noticed that you're also short and white. Well, I mean, for by basketball standards, I'm actually above average height. But
[01:53:51] Unknown:
for a basketball player, I'm not tall at all. Yeah. Yeah. No. I was not gonna be competing with 6 5 to 611 people.
[01:54:04] Unknown:
That sounds like we could debate that. I think we need to make it more fair so everybody has equal opportunity in sports. That's equity. No. It's not anything in here. No. You just learn that if you're white, you either wrestle or you play hockey. See, I thought equity was to do. I thought equity was the the value you could pull out of your stock ownership and the team options.
[01:54:28] Unknown:
Okay. Equity of opportunity. Okay. That's the that's the
[01:54:33] Unknown:
Equity and economic inter opportunity.
[01:54:36] Unknown:
I want cash money in the bank. I mean, well, there's exception. You know, there's outliers, of course, man. Remember, Spud Webb?
[01:54:45] Unknown:
That sounds really good. Spud Webb defined gravity. Muggsy boats. Defy Spud Webb defied gravity. That guy could dunk as well as Michael Jordan, and he was, like, 3 feet tall.
[01:54:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, legit. You know? I I can't remember if he was 54 or 55, and there have been a couple of other, like, 52 dudes
[01:55:06] Unknown:
in the NBA. But they aren't they aren't white. None of them. None of those little dudes that jump like that are white. No. You're still white. You are right.
[01:55:15] Unknown:
Jason Williams was, a white boy. I think he was more like 6 foot, 61, something like that, but he was a a white forward for the Sacramento, Kings, I think.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
I think. Yeah. There there was there was one dude from Mitchell, South Dakota that was, like, a really popular basketball player. He was super tall, some white kid. I can't Mike something. I can't remember his name, and everybody was just shocked. Like, we have football players and wrestlers. We don't have I was like, what the hell? What happened? Yeah. We got a basketball player. Yeah.
[01:55:51] Unknown:
Oh, man. I'd love to debate sports with you guys all night. Let's keep going. I got another I mean, because we sound so intelligent as we're talking about it. We I gotta really I I do gotta get out of here.
[01:56:03] Unknown:
And some of the actual sports guy is just laughing at us.
[01:56:09] Unknown:
Heck yeah. No. I appreciate it. I'm looking forward to next week. And, Nico, House got back to me, and he's down to come on, week after next.
[01:56:20] Unknown:
Perfect. So next week, we have, GLO who, was very big in the manosphere and, was a a real big player in Trump's first campaign. And, took time off then to go write a book because he is extremely actually censored and read it. Mhmm. So we're gonna debate him on on what it is to be a alpha male, and is the red pill, harmful toward men and society? And then the week after, we are going to, debate Nico House on, reparations. So we this is part of why we did this this week. We got some heat coming up, and, hopefully, we're gonna keep it a 100% rolling after that. We got some other things that we're trying to line out and get in the tubes, and I'm out there trying to, get myself out there and get no one amongst the debaters so we can start keeping more people coming in. And it's not just us, fake debating each other because we agree with almost everything, with each other. It's we're at least the deviation isn't so far off that we're at gonna get a spirited debate out of it.
[01:57:41] Unknown:
So we are willing to leave our home turf and go on other people's streams and debate. Yes.
[01:57:47] Unknown:
I'm gonna if I was home the if I was home last night, I would have jumped on the raging tomato. They wanted me to jump on, you know, seeing my comments in the chat. They wanted me to jump in, but, I being in the hotel here and, I I had to speak very quietly, obviously, tonight, you know, because, unfortunately, that's working out because it's too loud outside, but, it's hard to debates, tactics. Yeah. It's very tough. Some dude Self assured. A dude. It's been very effective. Yes. Not in a spirited debate, though, I don't think. I think, I need my microphone and sitting at home and being able to hit mute and cuss off to the side and scream or something. You know? Being able to be my norm more of my normal self, the subdued, which I do it is night. It would be alright. I do need practice, and, obviously, that furry gun under my skin, and that shouldn't happen.
I'm so mad at myself, but we gotta let Steve go. So we got that coming up, guys. So the heat's getting ready to get cranked up. Fire's going.
[01:59:00] Unknown:
Love you, guys. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next Tuesday.
[01:59:04] Unknown:
Have a good night, all.
Introduction and Debate Preparation
Challenges in Public Speaking and Debating
Debate Strategies and Rhetoric
Verbal Combat and Debate Formats
Upcoming Debates and Topics
Esoteric Knowledge and Public Exposure
The Role of Esotericism in Society
Education Systems and Gender Differences
Cultural Identity and Segregation
The Impact of OnlyFans and Online Attention
Red Pill Ideology and Its Effects
Social Media and Privacy Concerns
Sports, Entertainment, and Fairness
Upcoming Debates and Closing Remarks
