Saltwater Solutions: Debating California's Wildfire Crisis
Fire, Salt, and Society: A Heated Discussion on Crisis Management
From Saltwater to Space: Exploring Environmental and Societal Challenges
Burning Questions: Saltwater, Wildfires, and the Future of Crisis Management
Crisis, Culture, and Controversy: A Deep Dive into California's Wildfires
Streamed live on Jan 14, 2025
D3 Debates! Balderson vs Brian Tseng: CA Wildfire Response
In this episode, we dive into a heated debate about the use of saltwater to combat the recent California wildfires. Our special guest, Brian Tsang, also known as the Solar B, joins us to discuss his involvement with the Full Disclosure movement and his experiences in the ET secret space program community. We explore the implications of using saltwater on the environment, the potential for long-term soil damage, and the historical context of salt usage. The conversation also touches on the mismanagement of resources, the role of insurance companies, and the broader socio-political implications of crisis management in California. As the debate unfolds, we also delve into the cultural shifts towards orthodox practices, the impact of modern consumption habits, and the societal pressures on youth regarding substance use. Join us for a lively discussion that spans environmental science, socio-political issues, and cultural commentary.
(00:00:02) Hey Dudes
(00:02:09) Guest Introduction: Brian Tseng
(00:05:12) Fire Destruction and Recovery
(00:06:06) Debate on Using Saltwater on Fires
(00:10:30) Environmental Impact of Saltwater
(00:20:01) Alternative Community Perspectives
(00:30:00) Insurance and Rebuilding Challenges
(00:40:00) Debate on Fire Management Strategies
(01:00:00) Cultural and Historical Contexts
(01:30:00) Social and Environmental Implications
(02:00:00) Personal Stories and Experiences
(02:30:00) Discussion on Modern Society and Culture
(03:00:00) Closing Thoughts and Future Topics
- Steve
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Yo, wait.
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Get down, dude. Dudes,
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9, 8, 7,
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34, 321, fight.
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Yo. And there we be. I I will get the thing off the screen in a second here. There we are. There we are.
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The streams are streaming.
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It's January
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14, 2025. A week ago, I think there was a major event in California. I had people contacting me from everywhere outside of the US asking me if I knew about the California fires, and I would show them a map to say, I'm in Minnesota. This is California. That's, like, from one end of Europe, from lower left corner of the European map to the far right corner of the map. So there's such a huge difference in in space and distance from where I am to where everybody else is. We're meeting virtually through our StreamYard account, which seems magic and very futuristic for 2025. If we all remember in Blade Runner where I think it was Southern California that was all on fire, it's kind of a theme of science fiction. And now we're here. We're living in the future. We have a special guest, Brian Tsang. Do you call yourself the solar b? You'll have to maybe introduce yourself a little further.
[00:02:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. I'm I go like Brian sang the solar b in, the ET secret space program experience or community. I'm a kind of a self appointed volunteer advocate and organizer with the full disclosure movement. I'm the executive producer of the 2024 and 2025 coming up Full Disclosure Now conferences. It's next one in July again. And, I used to live in, Los Angeles. I went to Occidental College for 5 years, got my biochemistry degree, you know, lived there for another 2 years, in, from Eagle Rock, where Occidental College is, to Pasadena. And then from there, I moved up to the Bay Area, did medical organizing and advocacy for 8 years among other things. And, you know, there's a bit more about me, but that's some of the stuff pertinent to, you know, my time in California and and LA in particular.
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Sure. And I heard that Balderson saw you talking about the Palisade fire on another stream and invited you to have a little
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debate about Not quite how it went now, but it was on Facebook because I'm an old man, and, we got into a disagreement on Facebook. And this is actually in my intro, so we'll just save that for my intro. Alright. Get away from here.
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Well, dogs are gonna be dogs. Brian, very, very glad to have you with us. And if we, you know, haven't necessarily formally introduced ourselves, I'm Steve. I will be here providing comic relief and or moral support, but also pertinent facts as they arise.
[00:03:57] Unknown:
And I'm Alan marcus.com. I have a website, just a guy in the Internet, like to produce stuff and put media together. So I'm honored to have Brian saying the solar be here with us tonight. I've I've seen your stuff. I've seen you. I've seen your streams, and I was like, I know that guy, but I couldn't remember exactly where I had first seen you because you seem to show up on a lot of different streams.
[00:04:21] Unknown:
Do you have a stream of your own? I I do. I'm, the Disclosure Now podcast where I'm just coming from, which I cohost with Arkim Rah. He is a Montauk boy, Montauk experiencer with a lot of recall, who I've done a lot of shows with now, and he's a he's been a presenter at my conferences. And then I'm also on a couple other shows like Awake Nation and Agent X11 with Penny Shepherd and David Zublich of, the were formerly with, dark outpost.com, which unfortunately is no more after, like, their website provider kinda just belly upped on them after, like, 10 years. So, you know, this is a big, deal striking, content creators in addition to censorship. It's just, you know, having your your your web servers kind of go bye bye for whatever reason.
[00:05:12] Unknown:
Right. And that kinda might be a good segue into this idea of a fire destroys things. You can ensure property. You can maybe get some monetary value back. But when artifacts are are burned up and gone, they're gone. Seeing some of the reports of, I think, a Theosophical Society maybe, and I don't have the full details, but there's some certain occult documents, historical letters and documents, and and things that may be forever gone. Not certain about that, but the idea is, you know, you've got physical goods, photographs, things. So I wanna make the, the statement known that this is very difficult for a lot of people who didn't expect to have their entire existence just gone because of a fire that you might not have expected to happen. And even if you're told to evacuate, it's not the easiest thing to do. Hurricanes are probably different from fires, but there's a lot of similarities. Now we're talking about the recovery effort and how that's gonna play out. I I know that, you've asked to have a statement ready. Boleson or Brian, who would like to go first?
[00:06:20] Unknown:
I I'm happy either way. Whatever you prefer, Benjamin. Yeah. I've got a just a short one I'll do because I I'll go first. I've just got a little short one. Obviously, everybody here knows me. So, trying to leave Brian the maximum time, for himself to do his intros and whatnot. So, hail. Welcome back to the liberating dog face dudes. I, of course, am Benjamin Balderson. And today, we'd like to welcome mister Brian Singh from this the disclosure now channel. I've also seen him referred to as Solar Bee, which we cleared that up already, but I'd already written this out. Recently, we have had the fires here in California.
And because, some are right next to the ocean, the question of using o of ocean water to put out the fire has come up. And we briefly debated this before Christie Kringle, who's in the chat, thank you, Christie, recommended we take this to the dogs. We thank Christie for the idea. I don't know why I didn't think of it. And, for Brian for accepting. I expect this to range out to other areas of the fire in response, and and do bear with us as we're both obviously even though he's in the more space alternative community, we're both alternative community speakers. So we're gonna have some overlap where we just absolutely agree, and we're just gonna try and blow past that. So we're agreeing numerous areas and may venture out to other areas like space, like Brian mentioned earlier.
With that, I'm gonna keep my intro short since everyone knows me here, and just thank everyone for coming, and I look forward to the debate.
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Awesome. Awesome. Thank you, Benjamin, for, stating your, position and and your intro. Yeah. I was I was feeling pretty heated the other day, and I I I was lashing out. So I'll admit that, I can be an angry bee, and and please do not let my own personal, proclivities or foibles, reflect negatively on on the movement as a whole because that that's far far from it. And so I I was in a reactive mood. You know? I'm I'm watching LA going up in flames, and I'm seeing these people posting on Facebook this line that we can't use saltwater or seawater to put out the fires because it's going to blight the land.
And I saw Benjamin post, something about how the Romans would salt the land to blight the land and how it's such a terrible thing. And I was just super angry because I I kind of it wasn't it's not this isn't personalized to Benjamin or to any single person because I, you know I mean, I've I've been getting in arguments with long time friends about this stuff, and I I feel very heated and and they feel very heated. But for me, it's it's not so much the specific of can we put out a fire with seawater or not while, like, 57,000,000,000, 150,000,000,000, you know, dollars worth of property and, you know, not the the people and the animals for foremost and the nature and then the property, you know, how bad that's for the environment and talk about blighting the land. And to me, it seems like there's this line that's being put out there by the powers that be. It's this kind of apologist line. It's very defeatist.
It's kinda like I mean, I know I don't look it. I'm 49, but would I lie with this hairline? You know? And in my day, I I don't remember, like, this, like, oh, we just can't figure out how to put out fire water fires with seawater, and we can't figure out how to pump seawater because that was the other thing that I'm not gonna project that on the Benjamin. But other people, if they weren't taking the, you know, we don't wanna blight the land with seawater line, they were taking the it's so hard to pump ocean water uphill a mile or 2 inland. We can't do it. No way. And I'm like, what is like, have people lost their minds? Like, what's going on? And so that that's, you know, kind of like and, you know, Benjamin and I, we were know, speaking much more amicably later on after I kinda chilled the f out. And, you know, he's saying, well, we can't exactly debate for about seawater, you know, for 2 hours, and I get that. And so, you know, I I'm more than happy to take this from, like, not just that that where is this defeatist line coming from. I'm gonna trace that all the way to the new world order with bloodline Illuminati families to negative ETs and demonic arconic beings, Jahami, also known as the Anunnaki and the Draco reptilians on the negative alien agenda or ANAA side to the more positive. I mean, they're not perfect, but they're more of the galactic federation types that we see in Star Trek and who in fact channeled information, to, that Gene Roddenberry got, by sitting in on some of these sessions, in Berkeley way back in the day. And so I know that that we'll probably be able to debate stuff like that, getting into the existence of reality, not just of the ETs, but of secret space programs and breakaway civilizations.
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Thank you. And we appreciate that. A former show that Balderson and I did was called Weaving Spiders, and we did delve into a lot of occult and hidden topics. So we're familiar with a lot of that. I see the point of convention started with this idea of saltwater, ocean water versus freshwater, and if using saltwater would blight the land as far as putting out, fires. I saw people were posting how they were using chlorinated water from their pools to preserve homes and things? Is there a difference between chlorine and salts and chemicals in the water? How does this work in terms of putting out fires, and what is the environmental cost of using water that isn't fresh or maybe desalinated?
Who has a response? Brian?
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Yeah. I mean, so a couple of things.
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Number 1, you've got the guy, Marcus. He's supposed to we're also supposed to each have now our that was just the intro. I was giving him a lot a time to Yeah. Talk about stuff. We each get another 3 minutes. You're jumping the gun again, Marcus.
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I wanna get a lot. I wanna Marcus, go take a fucking lap.
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God. Smoke your push ups.
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Do I have a watch? I did.
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Alright. Response, Balderson. So my intro. Intro. Oh, this debate was sparked by the idea of using salt water to put Southern California fires out. On the face of it, this makes sense. Near unlimited water and a fire. One of the first arguments typically used against this is equipment damage. I can see that there are measures that could be taken to mitigate this and that short term emergency use would not cause that much damage. Where the problem lies is the aftermath, and this will be my position. The use of salt water will have 3 effects, each more damaging and lasting than the problem being fixed. 1, soil salinity increase.
2, water table pH and electro conductivity alteration. And 3, unlocking latent chemicals and minerals. 1, so plants absorb water through osmosis. A process where water moves from a place with low salt concentration to high concentration. When the outside water contains more salt, the plant re reverses its polarity and moves its internal water into the to the outside, thus killing it. 2, when saltwater enters a freshwater table, this is called saltwater intrusion, which changes the pH and electro conductivity of the water table. In this, the saltwater is heavier and will push to the bottom where it can sit building up and making it very hard to flush back out.
And 3, that is not the right page. There there are many minerals and chemicals which lay dormant in the soil, not including what was created and released in the fire. The unique mix of salts in seawater is capable of releasing these making them mobile. In a very dilute form, newer farming methods have used this feature with plants showing heavier vitamin and sugar loads in the plants. In a very dilute form, minerals the plant would not have received, it now does. In a macro uncontrolled form such as putting out coastal wildfires, the release of extra unknown minerals and latent toxins could wipe out all plant and animal life from from the biome for the foreseeable future.
The saying, salt the field, like most sayings, has wisdom in it that needs rooted out. In ancient times, when you truly wanted an enemy or truly hated an enemy and wished them not just harm today, but you would like to see their cat's ass right in front of you, when you would like to see them come on. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Rude, get away from the keyboard. Sorry. Yeah. Just put that in the next remix of yelling at animals that they make about us. It it so not just to not just harm today, but generational harm so those people could never rise up again. You salted their lands. In today's world where we have given up our understandings of how this place works, I would say the shining epitome of that is watering is watching people cry out to salt their own land.
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Oh, and just real real quick. Let me go ahead and do this. Spookums. Damn it, spookums.
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Damn it, spookums.
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Alright. Here we go.
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That's our remix of yelling at animals.
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I I I hear that. I could see why. You've the the cat is, like, is very aware of of being on the air. Yeah. And so, you know, for me, it's really this is, for me, a an example of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, this type of thinking. For 1, you know, if it was my house on fire or my horse is on fire I I you know, I've seen video of horses literally running out of the fire with their people. You know, you know, I would challenge anyone. Could you imagine standing there and saying, well, we could put you out, but it's saltwater, and we don't wanna blight the land. So sorry. Y'all gonna have to burn. Right? And that's where I was feeling the most heated. You know, I I and then when it comes to blighting the land in salinity, you know, someone else other people on the on Internet land have been commenting about the the amount of dioxins and PCVs that are getting burnt up in houses and cars and batteries and and stuff and aluminum into the ground. I mean, like, people, you know, worry about saltwater.
You know? And then that's even in itself, it's not a misnomer, but, you know, they they're already got firefighter planes and helicopters that go to the ocean. They scoop up the water. In fact, 3 came down from, like, Canada. One's grounded because it ran into a civilian drone that was trying to get good footage. So now you got the 2, but there literally have footage of them scooping up. Fucking grounded all of the flights that day. What an asshole. Yeah. Seriously. And and it's you know, and and they're so they're already group, picking up seawater. And then, you know, someone's linking me to this guy. He's like a seasoned firefighter including marine fires. You've got these pump water boats. Right, that pump seawater.
You know, they can pump, what do you call it, like, 200, yards or 200 feet of, you know, added, like, 20 different nozzles at once. And and, you know, there's ways to pump water uphill, maybe find Philip Dumpsters of water and then pump them using they're called relay stations and pump them further up the way. You know? And and the reality is that, Karen Bass, the mayor, cut 17 and a half million from the fire department previously that year. A lot of equipment, including from the LA and California areas, have been sent to Ukraine, and Ukraine reports that they're fully equipped, you know, while our our firefighters, they had their water cut off, and, the the nearby reservoir was emptied, you know, prior to all of this. And it's like, why would you empty a a a reservoir when you got actually, you know, LA with water and, like, oh, nope. Just spill it back in the ocean.
And so, you know, for me, I I see, levels of what I call idiocracy. That's more the civilian level, but then there's levels of incompetence that's that's absolutely, you know, a creation of everything that the downfall of human society. You know, we're kind of at a low point before we come back up to our golden age here, which is what the disclosure movement's, you know, working on and it's about or it's part of. And, and then there's much more planned. This is intentional. You know? You've got arsonists being paid. They're being imported from other countries, perhaps. We might have directed energy weapons.
You've got, a lot of these politicians also happen to be woke politicians where they value, diversity, equity or equality and inclusion more than a meritocracy of can you get the job done. And so I see all these as larger symptoms that all land to go that all this goes together. You know, as an analog land, the land's toxic AF right now. Yeah. It's kinda like saltwater. Like, I'm not worried about saltwater. I'm I'm worried about, number 1, saving people, animals, nature, property, and then think about it like this. For while the Palisades fire is right there on the oceanfront, you know, let's say, okay, you have the choice to put out. Let's say we we have the choice, we have the equipment, we can do it or we can't. And, for not putting out the Palisades fire, now it spreads to Pasadena.
Now Pasadena burns. And so, you know, this is really you know, that's kind of everywhere I'm coming from as far as, like, saltwater on the fire goes and and getting more into it.
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So I I'm I'm willing to rock with you, Ryan, on all of this. I am. Yeah. I think that there are multiple different avenues that you can approach problems like this even when it's fire. I think there's multiple different ways that, you know, we we as human beings have discovered over the course of time or how to temper this shit, help it calm down. I'm hearing that I'm hearing a lot as far as statements go, and I'm very curious as to what kind of evidence that you have in your pocket to provide to back that up, because we do have a couple thousand, several 1000 years of human history that shows what happens when you dump saltwater on a fire and when you dump salt on the ground.
So it would, it would help my evolution overall to see where the previous 10 or 20000 years of human history was wrong. And now the this particular idea is right. As far as the Palisades fire and the Pasadena fire are concerned, and you said you lived down in L. A. For a while, you would school there or something like that. You know how much of a distance there is between Malibu and Pasadena or Altadena. And they're passing all the way down to 10 Freeway. Yeah. Yeah. There's an entirety of Los Angeles City in between that. Los Angeles City isn't burning.
Malibu burnt. Pasadena to the east burnt. So these are not the same fires. And to treat them as such is erroneous bordering on disingenuous.
[00:23:24] Unknown:
Well well, I mean, in terms of that, I'm not sure if it's exactly for the Palisades fire to the Pasadena fire that one spread to the other. However, having said that, there are reports of the embers because there's, like, 7 fires now in the region. I believe it's a I believe it's a combination of arson, smart meters, directed energy weapons, and then the stuff that's already on fire, some of it is catching and spreading
[00:23:52] Unknown:
elsewhere. So it's a combination of all of that. Necessarily disagree with you. I I really don't, man. They've arrested several arsonists. They're we've had I'm my dude, I had to evacuate my house in 2020 because of a wildfire in the city. And I went to Ben's house when I did that because it was the furthest point away from danger that I knew that I could take my family and be safe, you know, while that was going down. Granted, the day after we got there, a couple of wildfires popped up a half a county over.
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And we got evacuated. We got evacuated.
[00:24:36] Unknown:
But but, you know, but we're and and I'm I'm shows you got each other's back. But you were saying earlier, you know, 1000 of years or mill or 100 of 1000 years or whatever human evolution, we don't put out fires with the ocean. I mean, where like, are there texts like that from Herodotus or something? Like, where where is that? Because, I mean, I see them dumping using, like, chemical stuff to, like, put out fire retardants to put this stuff out. Yeah. You know, I mean, what's worse? Fire retardant? Like, that pink stuff or that white chalky stuff? Or Well, you'll notice that they're way less alkaline
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in their composition.
[00:25:12] Unknown:
Ben, you you probably have a a better grasp of that than I do. I'm and that yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, a lot of this is coastal property here. It's coastal property, like, the Palisades in Malibu. You know? Like, I don't think salinity is is a problem, like, getting the seawater onto that compared to, like, houses melting down and, you know, the cars turning into, like, you know, molten aluminum with the the lithium and crap, like, all running down and burning all over the hillsides. Like, I I think there's no comparison to me. Like, there's no there's such a non comparison that I I don't even know how anyone else could consider it. That's why I'm having this debate here today.
[00:25:55] Unknown:
Well, yeah, I and I get that. And and as far as that goes, I agree with you, Brian. I do. I I I 100% believe that this is a part of a larger agenda, a larger program. The plans have been laid for decades, if not a century or more for for this kind of exact thing. And we're seeing again, like we did 5 years ago, that where everything is being burned out currently is also a part of the proposed path for high speed rail in the state of California. This is something and again, you know, I lived through it in Santa Cruz County. I had friends in Paradise who lost everything on the opposite side of the state.
All of that was directly in line with the Dianne Feinstein's husband's construction company proposed path for high speed rail. So we had a sitting elderly senator who, stood the benefit substantially from
[00:27:03] Unknown:
rampant walking I agree with you. She could live in, but I haven't seen her stand in years, Steve. It's been a minute, and they actually did decommission her last year.
[00:27:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, as soon as Queen Elizabeth as soon as they told us that Queen Elizabeth was actually dead instead of 15 years ago when she really died, like, they were like, okay. Well, we can go ahead and talk about Stein now and this and that and the other. That that's not even the point. The the the point is there has been, hundreds of thousands of acres in California that has a burn scar now that directly matches the proposed path for high speed rail. So I don't discount that portion of it, Brian. The I think the the point of contention really is, what happens when you drench salt on the soil.
And I think that maybe the the crux of what we're trying to get at here. Well, we compared we we we compared compared to the alternative
[00:28:10] Unknown:
of melted houses, cars, people,
[00:28:14] Unknown:
animals. Well, the alternative would be fresh water. The the alternative isn't ocean water or burn.
[00:28:22] Unknown:
The alternative and you laid it out yourself. I mean, because that's the reality. It didn't have fresh water. At at the point where the at the point where the reservoir is empty, there's no rain. You got no fresh water. Yeah. They could do weather warfare to make it rain, which would be nice, but they don't. Then you either got saltwater from the ocean or it's gonna burn. And that was my whole argument is, like, why would you say, let's not use salt water and let it burn. Like, use the salt water and, like, deal with the consequences later, but, like, jeez. Like, let it burn. That's like Nero fiddling in Rome.
[00:28:56] Unknown:
Well, how many years do we need to remove people from the land before they're allowed to return to it? Like, in your in your mind while you're laying this out, what do you think an appropriate amount of time is to clear people out in order for the the ground to heal itself from being salted? Because, traditionally, it takes 7 to 15 years.
[00:29:22] Unknown:
Wait. But why why do you have to clear out the land? Like, people wanna come back and rebuild their houses. They don't wanna grow alfalfa fields. Like, they're not gonna pick cotton. But they would like to be able to grow vegetables. They wanna build a $10,000,000 mega mansion or something. They're not. And and in part of that, they'll they'll fix up the land, and they'll help remediate the land because it's their own property. It's in their best interest to do that. But I'm sure no homeowner, you know, is saying, oh, gee. You know, I'm so glad they didn't put out my house fire with saltwater, and now I'm coming back to my the melted ruins of my home and scraping all this crap out of the land, and that's toxic. Thank god they didn't use saltwater. Like, I just don't see anyone saying that. Like, feel free to take a point.
[00:30:03] Unknown:
So I don't disagree with what you're saying right now. A 100%. No homeowner saying that. People are very shortsighted, unfortunately. And I don't disagree that there is mass shenanigans that, you know, the the arsonist, that's just a thing in California. Whether it's, a number of years ago, it was the lady that was the one who was basically doing the gut truck out to the firemen and her entire exist you know, livelihood based on was based on serving these firemen. So when there was no fires and she started going broke, she went around and started getting herself some work lit up, or just jackasses like the one a couple years ago was a guy that pushed his lit his car on fire and pushed it off a cliff, and now the rest of us suffer.
A 100% that shenanigans, 100% agree with, I we live my wife and I lived through the car fire up in Redding. We saw the due, evidence and whatnot. I'm not gonna argue with you on that, and I'm certainly not gonna argue with the political shenanigans that made it so they, were incapable of doing what they should have been able to do. Not gonna disagree with you and and for one second. Now where my giant concern is is you understand that some of these things that are laying on the ground are not bioavailable. And this is where my point number 3 in my opening statement came in. That this because of the unique mix of salt water that comes from the ocean, this opens these normally closed and unavailable chemicals and minerals up.
And so now an area that would not have been, poisoned and could have flushed this dormant chemical away. Now that chemical is now open, active, and affecting everything inside of the biome. And when we're talking about that, we're not talking about, oh, their lawn's gonna be brown. These people are living on dead land and the water table is going to be dead. The the and to the problem is saltwater is much heavier than freshwater. And it will put and it pushes down to the bottom of that water table, and will continue to poison that until it gets completely flushed out. And we're talking about a desert here. So the amount of water that goes through to do this flushing is very little. You can imagine and I and I can agree that in this one instance, okay, let's use salt water once. But if we started doing this in a a a progressive because, oh, hey. It worked. And, oh, hey. Look.
You know, we we can both agree that the shenanigans are not gonna stop. They are not gonna suddenly become competent at their jobs, that they are gonna continue to degrade the the the infrastructure, the the you know, continue to take away money from the the fire department, from any emergency service that they're gonna do all those things. I I believe we see eye to eye on that a 100%, I think. So as this continues, do they continue using that same answer that was maybe fine in a one time shot temporary fix? Can you imagine dumping salt water on a in the land and destroying the water table where 70% of this country's produce is grown.
[00:33:54] Unknown:
Okay. So for me, all that's, like, not really facts and evidence. I mean, you get places that get hit by tsunamis. You know, forget, like, taking, like, spraying, hosing water. Like, these places are inundated with water. Japan happens all the time. They get inundated with saltwater, and there's no studies on how like, they they're growing soybeans, like, the next year on that land. It doesn't I don't see that as being a reality. Like, I I understand the the the, the the thought process behind it, but I don't see that as a fact and evidence. I don't see Indonesia, which had, like, 280,000 people wiped out in that one horrible tidal wave, like, 2,007 or whatever it was.
You know, it's not like that land's all blighted. Like I said, San Japan gets all blighted. California gets hit by tidal waves from time to time all along that coastal area, and it's not like it was blighted for a 1000 years. So I don't see dead land anywhere. In terms of, like, the slippery slope arguing of, like, oh, no. They might start using ocean water everywhere. Like, they already do. They've got these pump boats that can fight fires, whether it's a a ship on the water or there are ships along the harbor, and they're they're they're firefighting. I mean, I know Chicago's got boats like that. I can pull up on YouTube plenty of boats like that, and I remember, you know, posting links to that already.
So, you know, I I I get the argument of, like, water table and salinity, but I just don't see where that's a reality anywhere. To me, it, like, it sounds like a convenient excuse for for the other side. They think well meaning people believe it, but I don't historically, I don't see that. You know, Steve was saying, you know, for 1000 of years, humanity has, like, you know, evolved, not putting out fires with saltwater. It's like, really? Like like, did Ptolemy write about that? Like, I don't remember that. I don't think anyone cares. I think they'd rather put their port fire out and then worry about the salinity of the water table. Like, I don't think the ancient Greeks or Romans cared.
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Well, here's the here's the the problem with that, Brian, and it's that you don't have a stable of evidence to where you can prove your claim, but we have Wait. I I do. The entirety of human history. No. I just hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Just just let me let me let me finish. All the time, and they're not Baron. You're acting as a fact. Ryan Ryan. Baron when he gets seawater on it. And I'm gonna say, you know, as a moderator, you can say maybe, but you're definitively
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saying that, and that ain't true. Marcus Marcus, the guy on the bottom right is the moderator. Steve's not the moderator. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. We've we've found our we've found our roles in position. So right. I'm off. I'm off the Yeah.
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And then also just for clarification, the the official story, and this was before the fires. Whether you wanna believe it or not, I mean, I'm I again, I agree with Brian on shenanigans Yeah. That that there was a crack. So in California, they had that brilliant idea that we save water by putting covers over top of the reservoirs. The reservoir cracked, and they had to replace that and blah blah. That's the official I'm just saying the official story and why it was empty ahead of time. I'm not saying that that's my story,
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you know, but that is the official story. Well, I think we could put this to rest pretty quickly with with, asking Brian a simple question here. Why are desalination plants necessary for living things, for organic matter? Why why are they?
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I mean, that that's if you're gonna drink the water, sure. But if you're gonna Well, if you're going to okay. So
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do plants drink water? Do So do they? I
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mean, that's a pretty straightforward question. I mean, you're you're trying to get you're trying to get me with logic, but I already pointed out that you've got places that get literally tsunami ed. Like, you I can show you the video. I understand. And they're growing and they're growing lying areas. They're growing stuff on that. There's and that stuff isn't barren. There's low lying areas which get washed with always 1,000 or millions or billions of tons of saltwater, and the land is not fallow. It's not barren. Again,
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why are then why are desalination
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plants necessary? For drinking water.
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So what happens when you consume salted water?
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Right. As
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But when Okay. When you're when you're on fire, no one's like, here, drink this bottle of seawater.
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I understand
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that, dude. I understand that. It sounds like if you were hold on. Hold on. Desalinated for out in the ocean for a week for a week and you started being dehydrated, would you then drink salt water? Well, yeah, of course. I get that. I mean, I I I and I get that. When you're when you're drinking drink the salt water. Right? We're not talking about desalinating
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water to drink it. We're talking about, like, putting out fires. We didn't Well, on this one, I'm trying to make a metaphor. Talking about drinking water, it's all even. Ben yeah. Ben, chill. Let him let let him make his point. Let him make his point. This is the first time we're talking about drinking water. I I was here for putting out fires with seawater versus letting it burn and getting crap into the ground or using toxic chemicals. Now you're talking about drinking water. So this is a different thing, and I'm not arguing about desalinating drinking water. Sure. You desalinate drinking water, but you put fires out with desalinated water. No. Who cares? Okay. Well, you you have to consider
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that there are going to be downstream effects from that process. Yes?
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Sure. But to me, the downstream effect of getting saltwater on the land to put out fires and save people, animals, nature, and property versus the the harmful effects of affecting the salinity and moving the pH, you know, 0.5, in one direction or another for a patch of ground in a square mile. Do I care? No.
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Honestly, I don't. And I don't think I'll be able to get a little bit of stuff for elections. The but but we've we've now we've now put this down to Brian doesn't care as opposed to this is what's good for
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the community. Let's put it to a poll right now in our audience, everybody. Let the Vox populi, let the people speak. If you were living in LA, had a a mansion or your family home in Pacific Palisades, and it was, yay, put out the fire to save your home with the ocean water right there and risk messing up salinity and all that. Or no, for the sake of not jeopardizing the salinity and because we don't have fresh water available or other stuff, we're not gonna put out your house. Is it a are you for keeping saving your house with, oh my gosh, saltwater,
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or, oh, no. We can't do that this evening. Trying to come back? No. I'm Are you trying to return oh, wait. Hang on real quick. Are you trying to return to that spot? And are you trying to Either way. Either way. Well, if hey. No. No. Just yeah. Hang on. Hang on. Let me finish the the thought, and then you can rebut. And I'll shut the fuck up and let you have as much time as you want. Okay? So are you as the property owner, trying to return to that and have a a life that allows you to grow, live, and prosper, or are you just simply trying to save a structure and you only care about the structure?
You don't care about anything else around it. You don't care what's in the ground. You don't care how the the people in your community are gonna be effect. The your sole intent is I want to save 4 walls and a roof. What what are we what are we going for here?
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I would say either way, the person homeowner wouldn't matter. They don't care. And and I think it's it's to say that, you know, there there's, again, there's an assumption that that that seems implicit in your line of questioning, Steve, which I'm you know, in that if they were to use saltwater to save your house, then somehow your land is rendered sterile, and you'll never be able to grow roses or grass on there again. And I would argue that not only the people not care what water you use, fresh or salt, just put the damn thing out whether or not they're gonna stay and grow daisies or or sell it off and, you know, make you know, for the the value. They don't care, and it it doesn't matter.
Because, again, there are places that have had tsunamis, like, literally are awash and are underwater. They're under the ocean water. Like, you can't get more inundated than that. And they're not rendered barren and sterile. So I don't even accept the the preposition that like, well, you know, if they put it out with saltwater, then it's like the land is screwed. Like, it's gonna be barren. Like, I don't even accept that as reality. I think you're making that assumption. I I understand. Well, I understand what you're saying, and I understand where you're coming from. But I also think that it's kind of a disingenuous
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argument because we're not making a a distinction about what is able to grow there.
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Now That there I was just getting ready to go. I was gonna say, every place you've named, there's specific plant life that's capable of uptaking in that situation and that life and this is actually and I can and if you want me to post the link into the side chat, there's an agricultural, which has nothing to do with big government. This is just agriculture, where this is a growing problem because it's actually overtaking those regions. We're now only brackish swampy grasses are able to go and grow into that. It's up close. And only, I don't know if you 2 know each other. Brian Sang, this is our guest, Flo.
His his channel's Flow State or the Powder Dusty. He's another debater, so he's just, and I think he was mostly on your side, actually. But, the that and so the other thing is all the areas you listed where that's happening and it's surviving it were all tropical. They're all taking in massive amounts of moisture, and so the groundwater is able to get flushed out in the water table we need. LA is the desert.
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Japan's not tropical, and LA is is desert coastal. And so just like Japan and and Indonesia, which is more tropical, but Japan is not really, you know, they get it awash. So does California.
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California's been but it was tsunamis
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before in the past. The land has isn't barren, and so I just don't accept that premise because I don't see it in reality. Like like, yeah, Japan's different from California, but California's been hit by tsunamis and, you know, gotten the land drenched with ocean water too, and it's not like a 1000 years. It's the Salton Sea. You know, people were using the Salton Sea as an example. I'm like, Salton Sea is, like, you know, inland way up high, like, with, like, salt deposits. You know, and you're comparing, like, the salt and sea to, like, you know, putting out, the Pacific Palisades fire with Do you have
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a do you have a a breakdown of where Japan's agricultural production centers are because I would almost almost guarantee you that they're more inland than coastal The exact same way that California's agricultural hub is all Central Valley. You said you lived here. Right? So we both know that California's agricultural center is the quote, unquote, inland empire as far as that goes. It is there is predominantly more agriculture produced away from the coast and into the middle of the state than there is. My screen?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me share your screen while let me share my screen while you're talking because right here I had, like, a map of it shows croplands near Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. Cropland, green. You see the coast of Japan? It's all along the coast. You got rice fields. They get flooded all the time. They've got that's why you got the artwork of tsunamis going back to ancient feudal Japan. So And it's not like they don't, like, grow rice on Japan along the coast line. It's not like a 1000 years of of, of being bladed because they got swamped in ocean land. I mean, I don't see that. We're talking about one specific
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grain that needs to be flooded in order to grow. We're not talking about tomato. Saltwater, though. You know? And but no. It's not. Not in Japan. No. It's not. It's desalinated before it gets there. You can go ahead and look at that. Get hit with tsunamis,
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and the tsunamis aren't desalinated,
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and the water is not right. Their crops. Rice specifically
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roads and and saline and saline heavy water. Okay. So then what we're saying is I've got a map that's double that shows double croppings where they've got rice along with wheat and barley, things like that. And they're all coastal as well. It's all coastal. So you All the all the red the red section is a double crop. Substance that has to be
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grown in Wait. Mhmm. Water.
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Steve, earlier you said you'd hazard to think, given your line of thinking, would be inland. And then here's all this cropland, all these coastlines It's not cropland. It's a specific
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grain that has to be Look at this.
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This is double cropped. It's Show me tomatoes in Japan. Show me avocados in Japan. How much bring that to Gold Coast. Hold
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on. Can I just clarify what Right? What what double double cropping means? Does that mean they're growing rice and then wheat after or in rotation? Where where did Flo go?
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Hit the button. Let's let's look at another map. Let's let's focus again on on California. California
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being next to Topanga Canyon. Can you clarify what they mean by double cropping from that? Are they rotationally, putting out rice and then wheat and then rice in the same field? Is that what's going on?
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Mhmm. Yeah.
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Crop rotations. Thank you for clearing that up. The question I have is looking at the Palisade map and seeing their Palisades fire damage map behind I see the ocean and then behind that I see a lot of state park land. I see Topanga State Park, Tuniu Canyon Park. Was the environmental concern specifically having to do with the fact that it's next to, preserve nature preserves? Did that ever come up in any arguments as far as a chain of command to declare that they would allow the use of ocean water to put out fire?
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In the issue of LA, as far as I know, it's not a chain of command that's, like, delegating where people are like, hey, fire chief of LA, can we or can we not? It's more a matter of they were willfully unprepared for the fire. They don't know what they're doing. They literally have video of the firefighters using purses to run from the fire truck to a fire to put it out because they don't have fire hoses. And it it's ridiculous.
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And Well, I mean, who expects a fire of that magnitude in January? I mean, I live in California also, and and and November is when we get that sigh of relief. Like, fire season's over. Oh, hang on. Yeah. You know? So come January, that's when I will admit that's when they would be doing their maintenance. Everybody's not prepared because
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shit's not supposed to burn like this in January. It's not supposed to work this way. This isn't this wasn't but this wasn't an issue of, hey. It's January. We're out of fire season. We can lay off on maintenance. It was we can give 17 and a cut 17 and a half $1,000,000 from our fire department. We can send equipment to Ukraine. Okay? We can Not arguing this. Not arguing this. Piss off all of our firefighters. You know, if only it was at the point where people were, like, on the radio. Hey, chief. Can we use ocean water or not? It's more like, hey, chief. Can we have water, please? No?
Okay. Well, we're gonna go try to fight the water with their purses and and bare hands right now. Bye.
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Yeah. That I'm not disagreeing with that at all that had they not cut not just you know? And and and it's only 2% of their budget, but they also cut a bunch of other funds on the infrastructure side of that also. And so had they not done that, had they been prepared, this wouldn't even be a debate. The the the whether we should be using this, that the infrastructure to deal with that in a proper way should have been in place.
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Flat. And I and I and I would hazard to say that if that proper infrastructure had in place, guess what? They'd be using a lot more ocean water, which they're already using, like I pointed out, with the Canadian Seaplanes and with helicopters, and they'd be using a heck of a lot more, and no one would be talking about salinity. The only reason why they're doing that, in my opinion, is because they look really bad, criminally bad, and any excuse is a good excuse, and that's one of them. The other one that they've thrown in was, like, you know, corrosion of equipment that I've heard thrown around. You know? And, like, the one guy I was debating online on Facebook, I was like, you know, he's like, you know, we don't you know, that that corrodes equipment so badly. I'm like, dude's never heard of jet skis. Yeah.
You know? It's like, we have this consumer
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technology here. It's not in China. It's in the United States. No. I I don't disagree that there's there's there's measures that can be taken to mitigate that. 100%. But you notice that when you said the planes that are dropping ocean water, you said Canadian. Because our plains don't do that. Our plains go over to the reservoirs and grab fresh water and do it. They don't commit with ocean water. That that's not true. They they only that's when they're fighting
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forest fires inland, and they're going to lakes and reservoirs. But if they're fighting a fire near the ocean, American firefighter planes, just like the Canadians, are perfectly capable of using seawater. They do it all the time. I could find videos of it, so that's that's not true. They do use seawater.
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I showed up a little late.
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Real quick. Real quick. The, the example that you gave earlier, Brian, was that there were 3 Canadian planes that grabbed ocean water. There are currently dozens, if not over a 100, approaching 200 other planes that are not doing that. So you've highlighted an outlier as opposed to standard protocol. Again, if you if okay. If one of every I don't know. Let's pick an arbitrary number and say 50 planes. If one of every 50 planes grabs a bucket full of saltwater in conjunction with the 49 other planes that are dropping freshwater, that would largely mitigate the effects of salting that particular area.
Because that's how disbursement and the place displacement works. You can shake your head all you want. But if I have 49 planes that are dumping freshwater, and one plane that is dumping saltwater, which of the 2 is going to be the majority of the water that's being dumped on the ground?
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Who cares?
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Okay. Hang on. Why is that? For me for me Because for me No. How about how about answer
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how about answer the question first and then dismiss it? I'm I'm trying be I'm trying to. I'm I'm using your example. Do I care if there's specific if LA is on fire? This isn't about FEMA. It's about science. I'm trying to answer your question. I'm trying to answer your question. To me, there's no difference in using 50 planes using fresh water if it was available or 50 planes using salt water if that's all you have available. To me, there's zero difference. You're not gonna notice any single difference. That's what I've been arguing this whole time. The only difference you're gonna know the main difference you're gonna notice is is whether is you're gonna put out the fire or you're not. Seawater, saltwater, I mean, freshwater, it don't matter. So you're asking, do I care about do for me, does it make a difference if I use one plane out of 50 with seawater and the other 49 with? No, I don't I you could use fill all 50 with 1 or the other as long as you put out the damn fire. At the point that they don't have fresh water available, well, guess it's seawater. Okay. Are we gonna use the planes on using seawater or not? I say yes, and I don't care about salinity or later on knock on effects on the environment. I don't even think they exist because I've already talked about tsunamis washing over the land. You know? I'll pull up videos, and it's not like they can't you know? And you guys said, well, it's it's rice. Well, no. It's rice and it's wheat and it's oat and it's barley, you know, maybe apples.
So that's not even true. It's like these are facts not in evidence. So you're saying things as if they're this is the way it is. I'm like, it ain't the way it is, and so I don't accept that they're probably it is because there's only certain crops that will grow with that kind of alkalinity.
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Ben?
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I mean, I just showed the the map that demonstrates that in Japan, you've got and I put it backstage again if anyone wants a closer look at it. But won't not possible let me let me pose this before we we go back to it. Is it not possible
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that the the Japanese figured out what they can grow that's heavily alkaline towards the coast and what they can grow that's not are are we are are we dismissing the acumen of the the Japanese people here?
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You're saying they have different
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they have different wheat and barley crops than we do? Steve saying. But I'm gonna let Flo go and say what you were gonna say before, Flo, because you you haven't been able to talk. But I'm gonna add on to what Steve was saying here in just a minute.
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We'll give Flo the floor.
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I was gonna say I I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that that Japan has different strains of wheat than we do or different production methods just as I don't think it's valid to assume that saltwater, which hold hosts most of life on earth, and that we, like, we swim in all the time, that that's more toxic than all the industrial chemicals that would be burned and melted into the ground in the atmosphere, by letting it burn.
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So that that that on its face of it is just wrong. One of the first very first GMO crops ever the very first GMO crop, we all think of wheat and things like that. But the first GMO crop that they invented was a rice that could that would have proteins and carry the proper minerals because these people in these areas you guys are talking about, the the food that they're able to grow is so deplete in nutrition because of the land that they grow it in. They GMO'd up a special rice just for those areas to try and improve those people's health. That was the first
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crop ever. That demonstrates nothing. There's nothing to do with it. Not demonstrate that they didn't
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make a special unique crop just to grow
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in those areas. Because the claim was they can't grow they can't grow anything except for rice over here, and then I that was rebutted by the map I just put. Hold on. And now you're saying rice is the first GMO crop, but that doesn't have anything to do with the crops that are growing there now. If you think that if you think that those are are, different crops, I know they are. Then demonstrate that. Then demonstrate that. Don't
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That they that they specifically gave the rice growing there. I'm not I'm not talking about rice. I'm talking about wheat and barley. That that there's there's there's 2 crops there. Rice and wheat is the only things that they can really grow there. Wheat is also somewhat saline resistant. Although in a saline environment, it will it will stunt its growth
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and stunt its mineral load. There happened to be over 20 different kinds of wheat that that you can grow. It's not a monolithic crop. Yeah. I got that. I get that. Why is it a monolithic crop? There are no monolithic crop. Crops will vary depending on where they're grown, what the type of soil is, what type of weather is, all that's this is universally true
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throughout the plant kingdom. So But you can take garlic from Japan and raise it in America. It's not like it'd be like, oh, you know, it just dies. If you have the right And you can't we're talking about putting out a fire anyways. We're not talking about growing crops.
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No. This is kinda off topic, but I'm I'm just for the point of the conversation. It's not like these things exist as a monolith. There are multiple varietals, multiple strains. Some of them well more adapted to growing. You couldn't take wheat that Nobody's debating that. You couldn't take wheat that grows in Kansas and plant it in coastal Japan and expect it to do Do you know that or do you speculate? Exact same way that I know for a fucking fact that you can't take tomatoes that grow well in Indiana and plant them in California
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because Can you can you grow tomatoes in paint? What does that have to do with building 7? Because that's what what's cut all the houses are coated in inside and outside. It's gonna be burning and melting into the environment around it. The alternative to salt water isn't nothing at all. It's chemicals.
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Nobody's saying that. And there's gonna be a point in the conversation where we transition from salt water, fresh water to the kind of mismanagement that has taken place in the state of California and the kind of preventative message measures that were completely ignored or governmentally mandated so that we would all suffer the consequences of this. And I am 100% in agreement with you, with Brian, with Ben, with market, all of that. I'm on board with that. I I'm the in my mind, this is the state doing what the state does, which is punish, push you out, and make it so that you're a burnt out homesteader as opposed to somebody who's just trying to live their life.
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It's relevant in the way that what the argument here is is we're talking about dumping salt water into a fresh water table. That truncates down what crops you can grow and makes it so the land then gets blighted. We're not disagreeing that there's coastal areas that have certain things that will grow in those coastal areas. We're disagreeing of taking salt water into inland into an area that wouldn't normally be exposed to salt water. And now adding that to the fresh water table in which salt water you weren't here for the opener flow, so a 100 100% understandable. Salt water is heavier than fresh water, so it naturally sinks down to the bottom of said water table, which is gonna change which changes the salinity, changes the pH, and plant life tip normal plant life where the problem with salt water is is because plants uptake water through osmosis.
So there needs to be more salt inside the plant than outside of the plant in order for it to pass through the membrane. When you start adding salt to the outside, it will actually reverse its polarity and dump the water out of the plant, and the plant will just get off my keyboard. Dump the water right out of the plant. So the ability to grow all these plants that naturally would grow in that area is now dead because you've now changed the entire biome.
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Sure. So then I'd like to ask kind of a general question. Are we in agreement that this crisis management was a managed crisis? We think that it was maybe a a perfect storm of factors that contributed to the massive failure of a natural wildfire and everything that can go wrong went wrong, and there was maybe, planned negligence or people who were in charge of certain operations leaving the country not being present for the crisis. And then the concerns of having the the downstream effects from using certain fire management techniques and how would they affect the the the biome and future forward.
You know, there's other plans in line. And another thing I wanted to mention and maybe bring up is the idea of this, the the water war situation. And maybe maybe the hubris of humans to build real estate on this oceanfront property, and people are bringing up the prices of the homes and things to say, maybe that was a very impractical thing to do, and this is just nature answering that to return to an equilibrium.
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Brian? No. No. Properly managed, I think, would be fine. California, we've been there with coastal cities for many years, and it's not a problem until we get to this wokeness and agenda 2030 stuff. Other people have mentioned it all lining up on the map. There's no excuse for plan this planned incompetence. If this had been 20 years ago and this sort of fire, may may not yeah. I'd say 20 years ago. We've got pump boats since going back that long. You know, they and and they didn't have, fresh water available. I have no doubt in my mind that they would figure out how to use ocean water to put out the fires, and it wouldn't blight the land. It would be effective at putting out the fires.
And a year later, no one would could tell any difference just like how you have other places. This is Coastal California. It's not like, oh, the coastline of California never gets seawater on it. That's who said that? Like, that's not true.
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Okay. So we have, however many thousands of years of of human history to draw from for this, though. The can you because you're making the claim that saltwater is as or equally beneficial as freshwater. Can you point to specific examples where this was either the preferred option or the, I guess, conventionally wise option as opposed to freshwater? Like like, are there is there anything specifically that you would cite that would say this is a preferred method, as good method, better method.
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Like, I would have you any information that would help me understand this. Yeah. So so first of all, ancient peoples, they didn't have pump planes, flying water from either the ocean or from a reservoir. If an ancient people, I would assume, and I'm sure we could look it up, they use whatever water they had available to put out whatever fire. For the last 100 years. Let's say there's a city. Let's say there's a port city. Port cities okay. I have no doubt in my mind that a port city had no problem using ocean water to put out fires. Can you show them? Because I I remember the world I can I can I can I can a hard time believing before the last 100 years that they had the technology of water out of the ocean now? First of all, the most ancient peoples, like, I mean, you've got, like, we're talking irrigation here now, and we're talking about different levels of technology.
But it's not for lack of
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Oh, hey. That's a great that's a great thought, Brian. Why do we irrigate?
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Right. To to irrigate to grow crops, but we're not talking about growing crops. Okay. We're talking about putting out fires. Understood. Understood. And then and then and then think about it this way. If I'm talking about if and even if I was talking about crops, if I've got land where there's buildings and houses and cars and all that stuff is gonna get burnt to a crisp, release PCBs and dioxins and crap into the air and into the ground, and then to me there's no contest between salt water and, like, melted house car shit into my ground. And I don't even I see there's they're so different. Like, like, they they they live as how many ancient civilizations and cultures do you remember burning all their shit all over their farmland and then trying to raise okay. No. They probably put out the fire first. Do they care if it was water sea water and fresh water? Probably not.
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According to you, and I don't even necessarily disagree with this. But according to you, direct energy weapons are a big component of this. What does salt water have to like, what does melted metal have to do with naturally occurring fire in antiquity if we're talking about a direct energy weapon based conflagration? Like, why why why, like, why is that a part of the argument? You know what I mean? You're muted, Brian.
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Yeah. You're muted. I'm sorry, brother. The only reason why I'm bringing up directed energy weapons is to show that there's an agenda here. The same people, the same Well, we all agree on that. Right. Right. And the same forces that are that are using directed energy weapons are the exact same forces using their their lamestream media outlets to push we can't saltwater is bad line. And so that's where I'm saying they they're together. It's like that the same puppet master lighting the fires of the laser beam is also saying, also, we forgot firefighting pump boats. We forgot the fact that we already use airplanes and helicopters to take seawater. As we've been showing on TV, no one is saying, oh my gosh. You can't, you know, stop that helicopter.
Don't ground that helicopter. You know, maybe maybe someone was flying a drone to stop the Canadian, seaplanes because they were trying to prevent seawater from being used, but I don't think so.
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No. That was just some asshole. There's no doubt about that. That dude is just a douchebag straight out.
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Right. Right. And so, exactly, and so they already use saltwater. And so you're arguing, like, they don't use it because it's bad. And I'm saying we got it on TV right now of of, like, seaplanes and helicopters flying back and forth with ocean water.
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I'm saying I agree with you in that there is a huge difference between the 3 planes that you cited and the dozens to 100 of other planes that aren't dumping saltwater. They could. They could. They could. Real quick. If your position was correct, we wouldn't need reservoirs.
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Salt water planes either. A salt water plane.
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We we would just need scoop scoop copters and scoop planes, and the they would fly ocean missions all day long, day in and day out. And the only thing that we would be using would be ocean water, but we don't do that. In fact, to a huge difference, we use fresh water. So why why in your opinion is that?
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It's because they're it's not because they don't wanna use ocean water. It's in the fires where you see them using reservoir water. They're next to a reservoir. That's the closest body of water. So disingenuous now.
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Our water lines are hooked up to fresh water. We use fresh water for everything. Being emptied away from out they're trucking in water from Yosemite
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right now
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to help Because they don't have because they have an empty reservoir. But if they had their act together, I'm arguing different conversation. My argument is
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why don't they always hear saltwater? Okay. You think there's
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the the 50,000 a year? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. We already we already have pump ships on harbors that will put out fires on land using seawater
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every all the time. So then wait, wait, wait. So you'd see it. Red and salinated.
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Yeah. You're act no, they're not desalinating
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the water as they're sucking it up out of the ocean. That's not what I that's not what I said. I said they're spraying the salinated water on parts of the land that are already salinated.
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No. No. No. No. They're it's a harbor fire.
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Water that has no water.
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You're spraying the water onto the fire, which is like a building on the land, and there's no issues that, like, that land becomes barren and turns into a desert. That's just No. Because that's it's already salin salinated land. That's what Steve was saying. So that's already gonna already grow marsh grasses And then and then what I said is like that. And then then I point out that there are plenty of bodies of land that get inundated, flooded, tidal waves, tsunamis with seawater, and they're not blighted. So that's not even true. That's not true. Okay? When when I see what I see them using is water. The easiest, most accessible water to fight that fire, that's what they're gonna use. If they've got a reservoir nearby because you're up in the mountains and you're not flying 2 hours to the ocean each way, you know, back and forth round trip.
Okay? You're gonna use a reservoir. When they're on the water with ocean okay. The the reason why they're not using all these other planes is because California doesn't have it together. They don't have the planes operational with the pilots and the companies and the budget. You know? If they did, I'm sure they would be using a lot more to see water, whatever water. Now RED is saying salt your garden. See if you can grow anything there. It's pointed to Japan. Okay? They have tsunamis all along. Their water gets salted all their land gets salted all the time. Yeah. And they had they have special GMO crops made to them so they could survive. Because they had such is growing during the winter season?
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For how long is it? Because of the water. Because of because the GMO crop on their land won't suffice them. That's true. So they had to go make some of that stuff. You're you're bringing up you're bringing up a very specific of GMO rice,
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and it's not like Japan along its coastline for all these 100 of years, maybe 1,000 plus years. Okay? They've been getting inundated with saltwater. They're still able to grow crops along their coastline before GMO rice. They didn't need GMO rice. To
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deplete and fucked up. They had to make a GMO price to try and make these people heavy or healthy. It was the it was the very first one. And that and that made it so they can now grow in these areas that are that are there. And that's that's the whole reason that they broke it apart. They made it so it's protein enriched because these were extraordinarily healthy on unhealthy people. I mean, And to and to further
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that other ways
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to grow the population. Outside of these rich people in Malibu, typically, if you live in a fire prone area like I do, because I live in a place, which by the way, when when we were on fire, they didn't go to the ocean, which is closer than the nearest reservoir. They went to the reservoir. You live in a home where I I can see the other side of my home right there. My bedroom's right up there. That's the entirety of my home because guess what? I live in a forest that catches fire a lot, a lot. Here, people have to regularly just rebuild their whole home. It's a thing we do. So you don't build a gazillion dollar mansion. So that returns to the question I asked earlier, is
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specific area, this, beachfront real estate, this highly sought after real estate, the beachfront is, you know, there's only so much beachfront. These people bought it up. They built their houses. Or is there a agreement or disagreement here about whether or not there should even be houses to that area not be zoned for housing because it's gonna cause a a fire that's gonna cause a crisis management, which is gonna suck money from other funds. So for me, that's all ecofascism
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nanny state talk. Like, oh, it's too expensive for the government if I build my house on the oceanfront. I don't buy that argument at all. And Polychase was saying, is this guy arguing to put out to water our crops with seawater? No. I'm arguing to put out fires with seawater. And if the fire happens to be on land that may or may not have crops in the foreseeable future, don't effing matter. What matters first is putting out the fire. If you let the fires burn what they've been burning up, a 150 +1000000000 dollars of houses, cars, and other property has been burnt up. The amount of chemicals and shit, I'll say it, in the air and in the water right now compared to freaking saltwater, that makes me sick. And I and I challenge you, polycrops. If you think you care so much about, like, blighting the land, go why don't you go right now to Pacific Palisades or to Pasadena and go tell the people, hey. You know, thank God they didn't you know, your your houses weren't put out with seawater.
You know, I'm glad your houses are burned because if if shit. If they use seawater to save your houses and Wait. Hang on. Why is that the argument?
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Why why is that why is that the framing?
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That's what started this debate in the first place was Benjamin posted, something about Romans salting the earth and how bad that is for the environment. And and that's why we're not using saltwater to put out these fires. Well, that's because that's factually true. Yeah. That's kinda like why
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Yeah. So so your your position is who gives a fuck if it's unfallible going forward? The most important thing is we make sure that the destruction that has already taken place up to the point where you would need to go scoop water out of the ocean stops shortly after.
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Yes. No. I no. I'm saying who gives an f if you're using saltwater or not? If you could yeah. I don't know if you say fuck it up, you're allowed to. I don't give an f because what I'm saying is even if you do use salt water, ocean water, it's not gonna hurt the the land and blight the land and render it sterile the way you guys some of you guys are arguing. I don't even know if that's the case. The highest priority is to use any available water,
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including ocean water, to prevent the spread of a fire.
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And, right, and worst damage and and and even if you do use gas, seawater, it's not going to hurt. You're not gonna find any difference. And that's why this is California coastline, which has been inundated with seawater all the time. It's it's a temperate, you know, more Mediterranean climate down there, and, it's not an issue. Just like I pointed at Japan, I pointed at Indonesia, other places, they're not, like, all sterile. You don't you know, they didn't have GMO crops 500 years ago in Japan, and they weren't starving. Like No. Where did they grow in them spots?
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Yeah. I'll I'll come back to I do know that. Comment. I'll come back to this comment here real quick, from Josh. Barely 20% of Japan's available land actually suitable for crops due to the salinity in the ground. They managed to grow some crops along the coast, but less Josh isn't the source. Josh isn't the source. Yeah. And and I understand that, but you can you it's it's not that difficult
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to look up the facts. This is a one time thing. Well, then then look at the fire. Find a different source of seawater. I'm not I'm not saying you're gonna irrigate the crops with seawater forever and ever. I'm saying you've got a freaking onetime fire that you haven't seen in the whole history of LA.
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But you have. At one time with seawater, and you you have on. 1968. You don't put in LA. This happened. You don't argue. 1973 this week. We put it out in 78. Oh my gosh. In 1983, it happened. 1980 7, it happened. So the only point of me pulling this up is to demonstrate that rice is rice, which is the left column here before modification, brown rice is not actually nutritionally inferior to other crops. The reason they modified it is because it's the most consumed crop on earth, and no single crop contains all, all the necessary nutrients.
So that's a null point. Also, do you know how much we spread as much as 60,000,000 like a motherfucker. 60,000,000 metric ton no. I mean, I'm I'm just attacking a straw man. Well, you're right. It's a straw man to begin with. Very specifically, I said that the people that live in those zones
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had health issues, so they made GMO crops in order to make it And what I'm saying is that your own source refutes the claim.
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And but the important but it's the straw man. You're right. That's a straw the rice is a straw man topic regardless. 60,000,000 metric tons were of salt is spread on roads each year. This shit is not toxic It's not toxic. To the degree that you're creating it. Bro. That's not that's road salt, bro. That's not the same. There's there's about a dozen different primary salts in the ocean.
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Okay. So what is the difference? Yeah. And and Mag Chloride ain't it. So question then. Let's clarify for the listening audience. What is the difference between using salt on road to melt ice and using salt water that will be evaporated in a high flame fire? So we have hot water spray.
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If I'm not mistaken, road salt is sodium chloride. No. It's magnesium chloride. Yeah. Magnesium chloride. My bad. Yeah. And that doesn't exist in salt water.
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No. It's a it's a component. You have to create magnesium chloride for road salt. It's not sodium chloride
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that exists in nature. It's a different compound. Off the top of my head. No. No. Hold on a second. Anywhere he was saying that he agrees with me if no freshwater was available. There was no freshwater available. They literally had their their water was empty. The firefighters well, there were firefighters, many who have testified that there was no, water in the fire hydrants, and LA has admitted that they cut the power, which means they didn't have water. So the idea that they just had all this fresh water available is not true. They didn't Little bit little bit of a distinction here real quick. When you cut power, you don't necessarily cut water.
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What what happened with with LA, and this goes back to deliberate mismanagement on the part of a malevolent state, which is entirely different than what we're talking about. But there's a couple of key reservoirs, one of which was drained entirely. Another is owned to the tune of 60% by one particular couple, the Resnick family. And they have the majority share of that reservoir, and they already have contracts that says that water has to go to their crops. The the if we're talking about, the availability to grab what they could have gone to Big Bear for that. They could have. A helicopter flight from Big Bear to LA is 45 minutes.
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It makes sense to fly a bucket. It it makes sense to fly 1 bucket
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45 minutes each way from No. It makes sense to send a battalion if you're
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concerned about saving the community. Why don't you just fly the your helicopter 30 seconds to the ocean right there? Because You gotta fly 45 minutes each way. To be able to process each way versus 30 seconds. It
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okay. It if what you're saying is if what you're saying is true, this would have been the protocol for the entirety
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of human history. We've had a while to figure this out. The entirety of history was really weird. We didn't ever had helicopters. Speculation. We Because it because it we're on the end of the day. In your field. It's literally Because the reason when we had helicopters.
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Yeah. We didn't have a and we use freshwater for all of our for all of our uses. Right? The infrastructure is hooked up to freshwater. That's why we use it to fight fires. You can fight a fire with gutter water. It doesn't need to be reverse osmosis.
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Why is the infrastructure hooked up to freshwater? Though, that's what that's what I'm trying to get you to figure out. Drink. Because You gotta drink it. Drink it.
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And Yeah. So you're And it kills all the other life besides humans. It kills all the plants. They drink it. Yes. Things that live in freshwater can't drink. That kills all the stuff besides that. That might be why they use You know, you understand most life on Earth lives in saltwater. Most life on Earth lives in saltwater. Not the stuff in land, though. So the stuff so saltwater kills us. Freshwater would kill saltwater. Only kills us if we drink it. So, yes, the plants that are getting doused with saltwater, they're gonna die, probably. That's that's And everything in the soil until But they're probably gonna die as anyways from the fire. Now what we're talking about is we're talking about having saltwater put on ground or having fuck tons of industrial chemicals
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burnt and melted into the ground. Do you know So tell me tell me, Flo, if you were out in the ocean and you hadn't had a drink for a week, would you drink salt say and you were you were No.
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You But we're not talking about drinking. Fire. We're not talking about drinking. Salt water right now. I also wouldn't drink it first. I also wouldn't drink automotive paint.
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Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. We are using automotive paint to put out the fire. But we are melting it into the ground. Right? That's true. I don't disagree with that. Although, I don't know how many automotive paint places or factories are down in the Palisades.
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Well, there's cars down there that are melting, like you know?
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Yeah.
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There's all the the the environmental repercussions of letting these fires cook. All this all this stuff is way bigger than just putting some salt water on a plate. No. But the salt water is gonna make it worse. So you understand that similar to drinking salt water when you're dehydrated, yes. You're not you're not putting salt in another system. The salt water chemicals bioavailable.
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Do you understand what bioavailable Benjamin
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Benjamin, let me ask you. If your house is there, you've got a house, you got a ranch in Malibu. Okay? And you literally you got I'm not a fan of gas. Your horses are on your your horses are on fire. Your your mansion is on fire. Okay. Yeah. You got all this grass and a rose garden. Do you you have a choice. Okay? We can save your house with ocean water, which has a lot of salt in it, or we can let the motherfucker burn.
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I would shoot the helicopter trying to come put that fucking poison on my land.
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Number 1, my horse is not horse horse is burned.
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That horse is dead now because the horse now any grass that that horse tries to eat, Guess what the horse ate? Grass. That's the way most animals work. They eat these things that are growing out of the land y'all are trying to poison in mass. And what we're talking about here is saltwater that's gonna sink down and sit inside the water table. This is part of why when they salted the grounds and it's not just some whimsical thing, this is a historical saying. We're literally armies when they wanted to take and make it so you're not only you are fucked, your kids are fucked, you are never gonna come threaten my empire again. We salt your ground on the way out. So not only so not only would you say no we commit to ourselves.
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Not only would you say no, do not save my house, don't save my horses, don't save my land, you're gonna shoot at the helicopter.
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Yeah. Get that thing the fuck away from me. Don't don't quit this one. I have a question for the I'm gonna have a new house next year. Okay. No problem. Guess what? My land is gonna be more green than it was ever. No. It won't, dude.
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Yeah. It will. Because guess what? You know, the insulation is made out of what a change is made out of construction adhesives are made of? Bro, you're insane if you think that that just burning all this shit down is not way more environmentally harmful. It would Throughout history throughout history, they have burnt the land in order to make burnt fields of grass. They didn't burn cities. Not houses where they clotting crap and chemicals in it. They didn't have that. This is what we're talking about. We're talking about a city. We're talk we're not talking about burning a field. He asked if I if I asked about my house.
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I live out in the freaking woods.
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I would never let somebody put salt on my land. So gentlemen, let me go ahead. In the in the interest of of moving this forward, we we've reached impasses and your positions have been clearly stated. Maybe I'll I'll ask you guys, do you wanna go into the conversation of the, the insurance and and the finances of living in those places and maybe the sustainability or the the inability to live in those areas. And now now, regardless of how the I don't know where there's money. Disagreements
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on the insurance things, but, yeah, let's discuss it.
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Right. Right. So I I understand I'm hearing, certain values are prioritized in different order for the gentleman on the panel tonight. Now that, this terrible event has happened and we have to move forward, a lot of that's gonna involve, lawyers, finances, figuring out who's gonna pay for what and kind of prioritize the money. And then the disbursement of funds may take forever to the point where there's nothing left for anybody in a reasonable lifetime
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to rebuild a life. So, Brian, do you have any thoughts about moving forward with insurance claims and government needing to pay for this? So State Farm already knew a time knew ahead of time that with all the earthquakes and wild fires and California mismanagement, it's a bad deal. So whether or not, you know, they had heads up from an their new world order buddies or they just have really good actuaries, which, you know, I'm not I wouldn't doubt that either. Either way, they've already pulled out. And so now, the vast majority of these people, you know, seeing the California bureaucracy right now is basically it's gonna be a nightmare trying to rebuild.
And getting an insurance claim honored at the same time, you know, however many tens of thousands of homeowners are are filing claims, trying to get materials in this economy with everything that we've been through, much less California. I mean, for me, it's it's my heart goes out to them because it's a double tragedy. It's a tragedy first of losing their property, and then it's that that that's gonna be compounded by the tragedy of, like I I really don't see a clear way people normally are gonna be able to build, rebuild unless they have truckloads of money. And I know maybe some of the people in that area do, but I'm pretty sure a lot don't, and and my heart goes out to them. I I'm gonna throw on top of there
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that a lot of people don't realize that, like, in the car fire, which was 2020 which was was that 2020? 2019? 2018? So the car fire, which is Northern California, in in at the time had set the biggest land fire that had ever been. A lot of those homes, they're not letting them be rebuilt. So even if they do get some money back for the home, a lot of these, they're not in California. They're not letting them be rebuilt. If you do rebuild it, it's on your dime. And if it just like my house, I can't get insurance on my house. I agree a 100% with Brian's sentiment. Who knows whether they got word to pull out extra, but the fact is they've been pulling out for years. All the other insurance companies have. Mhmm. It's impossible to get insurance in California and especially Northern California against fire.
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Except for except for on New Year's Eve of 2024, Gavin Hansom signed a bill into law that mandated 30 days after the bill being signed into law that insurance companies would have to provide fire coverage. Now what this says to me, especially in light of the fact that State Farm and a number of other major insurers canceled policies 3 months before this particular fire, what that says to me is, the state of California and the insurance companies are price fixing premiums to skyrocket in order to make sure that none of us ever get to own homes.
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And and he says that because in order to get a loan on a home, like my home, I had to buy I had to buy this cash. They won't give me a loan. They won't give you a loan Are you in a flood zone? Or this. No. I'm in a fire zone. He's in a fire zone. And so they they won't give you a loan for a home out here because you can't get insurance. That's what he means. So either you, a, have cash to buy your home, b, do a contract for d for deed, or c, you don't own a home ever.
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And in Malibu, in particular, where this happened, the Pacific Palisades represents, like, the the 1% to the 0.6%. Not the 0.5 to 0.01%. Not the huge money, guys. But, like, the the we got a lot of money, guys. Well, now they're all burned out, and they'll never be able to fucking carry the insurance again. Or or if they do, it'll be so exorbitant that only a select few can outright personally afford to maintain that. Otherwise, it's gonna be down to BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, and Berkshire Hathaway.
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Dude, can and the thing people don't think about is, fires go through sometimes multiple years in a row. So I've I know a ton of people that their house burnt down that before they even finished putting up a new fucking house, that sucker burnt down too. Like, could you imagine doing that on your dime? You ain't got no dimes left after that. Like I said, this is part of why out here in the mountains, you know, there's people out here that are millionaires that live in a shack. Because when your shack burns down, you chuck up another shack, it's cool. Like, I can build this I can build this basic structure in a week and a half and have it pretty much done.
With Steve's help. With Steve's help, which I'd make him come do.
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Yeah. And it took 3 days. I just had to get up off my ass and actually do it.
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But True story. He requires so much coffee and kratom in order to get him moving.
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I was gonna be worse. Worse, man. It was a rough That's a bro. That you're a bro. You are definitely a bro.
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Yeah. I'll come build you a fucking outbuilding right now, Brian. We just met. I'll I'll I'm in Northern Nevada. Come on up. We got Brian, he was disagreeing with you the whole time. I'm just kind of on your side. I've been disagreeing with you less. You can come build me something. I don't know what I need. Alright, man. Need a garage. I'm 75 an hour, and I'm good. Oh, wait. I thought this was I thought we were friends now. Yeah. Yeah. No. We are. That's the bro rate. Yeah. Shit. If if anything,
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this is pointing to, we're going to require paradigm shifts as people are going to figure out how to build houses more in ground, like Earthships using sprayed concrete, aircrete, epiccrete with latex in it to make it fireproof, earthquake proof, mold proof, mold proof, you name it. Ant proof. And, you know, and and and this is part of the new earth that's that's getting into the disclosure stuff, but it it's it's definitely business as usual ain't gonna work, and all the people who are gonna try it on Pacific Palisades land, my heart goes out to them.
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We, we have DC in the chat, giving Pennywise lyrics to the conversation. So we just we went from we were from a a nice talk to pop punk.
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It's good. It needed some heat to it. It needed some heat to it. I knew we were gonna end up falling off because we were all even with flow show showed up, I knew we were all gonna agree when we're, like, the government's fucking it all. We're like Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Agree with that. Here. Here. Give me who who here is a secret space program time travel skeptic? That yeah. No. I'm a skeptic of that. Like and we might have to make this space at all. Alright. I believe I believe there is obviously space. It's there. Mhmm. I don't believe we have any access to it nor do normal things access us.
My first question, if you wanna talk about spaces, why is it that there's never been a UFO ever that's been recorded, like, doing a little loop de loo around the moon and then coming into they're always already in our environment before anybody ever talks to them. You don't have any long distance. Oh, hey. Look. Here's this thing. Wow. Wow. Oh, wow. That thing's oh my god. What is it? Oh my god. I mean, are you sure? I don't see you might be right, but you might video. There there there's video from from, professional and,
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amateur astronomers all over the world where they've got their, telephoto lenses and telescopes on the moon, and they've got ships going across the face of the moon. They have other imagery Across the face? Why don't they go behind it? Well, they do. How do they do it? It's hard to track. The only reason why you're able to see them is because they're they got they're across the face of the moon. Otherwise, you wouldn't see, like, a grain of rice flying at you through space. Like, it wouldn't you know? Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to see that stuff, but they've got it coming out of the side. So disagree. I'm friends with Crow 777.
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I've been on his show so many times that I have my own drop down menu, and Crow's famous for that's all he does is record the the moon,
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and other things. Balderson ain't shit. That's what he said. That's the actually, the title of his last episode is Balderson ain't shit.
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Fucking I knew it. I knew you know what? I used to be called the antichrist regularly when I went on there by the Christian listeners, and that's fallen off. And, you know, my ego's hurt. It's hurt. I was, like, the second most important guy in their whole book. Like, fuck. But Crow sits and records these things. He's the guy who discovered the, lunar wave. I don't know if you know what that is. You know, super weird thing where literally it's almost like a on older TVs when you were trying to set the VCR or older VCRs when you're trying to set the tracking, they'd have these little waves that would go down the over this over the screen. It literally looks like that's happening to the moon. It's always in twos. It's always 2 of them that happen.
And since then, it's been recorded over other luminaries. But, he's never recorded anything like that. I know lots of other people. In fact, trying to find actual objects out in space almost never happens despite the fact that we're supposedly surrounded by, like, a 1000000 satellites and say space debris. It it's pretty clear almost all the time. If you just sit and record it, it's finding an event is very odd.
[01:40:41] Unknown:
Well, I mean, you know, my argument for or against UFOs, flying in through space isn't that we haven't seen them flying directly all the way coming from space. I mean, there are people who argue that they have. They've seen light ships that look like stars, like, way up, coming way down to them on the ground. So there are people, I'd argue, who have seen that. My whole thing They didn't record it. I mean, my brother saw Bigfoot too, but There are people who record this stuff. I mean, they they've got record and now I mean, look. Last year, at the beginning of the year before, I I remember telling my mother and my one brother, Jason, hey, mom. Jason, I'm gonna be throwing a UFO conference. And Jason walked off. UFO conference threw up his hands and laughed and walked away.
Not even a year later, November of the last year, we've got UFOs worldwide all over the place, and there's so much more information that I have to share. I'd love to come back. I think, you know, we I feel like we're towards the end of this because we we did a great debate.
[01:41:40] Unknown:
I'd love to come back to debate secret space program. 100%. Time trial. Yeah. We're about to at the end of our 2 hours. We might go keep going just because it's been fun and Flo is here or maybe Flow will start up and we'll jump over on him or something.
[01:41:55] Unknown:
But I'm actually multi streaming right now.
[01:41:59] Unknown:
Yeah. So because I know Steve's got limited time, so maybe Marcus and I at least will jump on. I have I have another 45 minutes or He's got 45 minutes, but we would absolutely love to have you back. It's been a it's been an excellent debate, excellent time. You know, even though we didn't come to it, you don't expect to come to a resolution. That's just the way debate is. You're just, you know, you don't expect anybody to go, oh my god. Unless they really didn't know something and you've informed them of something, you don't expect that. A change of position. At the end of it, you know, you have your position, which you put your importance. As Marcus said, you put yours on the home and the things like that, and I put mine on the actual land and the future of the land. That's just a difference. No. We put ours on logic logic, and you put yours in, I don't know, the belief that salt is more worse than chemicals. Right. Because I was thinking I was thinking that that that wasn't the
[01:42:52] Unknown:
argument though. The the argument wasn't whether salt is worse than chemicals. It was whether or not freshwater or saltwater
[01:43:02] Unknown:
was beneficial to putting a fire out. We never thought that not quite. The the the the weather the saltwater is my point is the saltwater is even worse. So it's no different than being out in a boat for a week, and you're dying of thirst and you drink a cup of saltwater. It makes it worse. It doesn't make it better. Yeah. And my and my point and my point is that when it comes to saving your house and property and land, it's not drinking the water. It's using the salt water if that's all you have available.
[01:43:30] Unknown:
If you have fresh water, great. Use that out of the fire hydrant. If you don't, use the saltwater versus letting it burn. And not only is it better to use the saltwater to save your house, animal, land, and property, but it won't even hurt the land anywhere near as bad as as what, Benjamin and Steve are arguing. I don't
[01:43:48] Unknown:
I don't accept that part. That. The that's that's the problem. Maybe we can have you back,
[01:43:54] Unknown:
and you could you could present evidence. Now I need to disclosure next. I I because I think I think that I don't think Has anybody demonstrated the other side? Changed my minds, but I think that the people in the audience We can demonstrate the other side flow state. We we can't grow
[01:44:10] Unknown:
anything using freshwater versus saltwater.
[01:44:14] Unknown:
That's not this paradigm that we're in. What we're talking about is on one hand, you can run saltwater over the land, right, to put out the fires before everything melts into the ground, or you can let the chemicals burn and melt into the ground. We don't have a comparable I'm sure that we don't have an actual Are you under the impression that the saltwater Comparable situation. Poke into the land? I'm under the the impression that salt is not a toxin except in huge quantities
[01:44:42] Unknown:
when you're drinking it. So you can The amount of it, the dose is Every just like everything.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
Right? Well, not just like everything, like most things. There are some things like, I don't spray insulation that are just straight up toxic.
[01:44:57] Unknown:
Sure. And then we could, you know, talk about the EPA and, you know, moving forward, what new laws and regulations may come in. You know, other scientific explorations of, you know, this this crisis manager with all the data available. I know that we're short on time to be able to gather more resources. So I while Brian is here, I did hear you tease a little bit about alternative technologies to build structures more sustainable, hidden technologies, these types of things.
[01:45:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Absolutely. And I'd I'd love to come back to discuss all of that. You know, everyone, please, I I just liked and subscribed here on YouTube. So if you're watching on YouTube, please like, subscribe, hit the notification bell. And if you liked me to come back for, to debate secret space programs and all of that good stuff, please put that in the comments. I'd love to come back. I had a great time with you all tonight.
[01:45:48] Unknown:
And, and will you guys put your links backstage? I've got Ben's and, dogs. I don't know that I got the rest.
[01:45:54] Unknown:
Full disclosure movement dotorg to check out the, 2025 Full Disclosure Now Conference coming up this July, 15th to 18th at St. Pete Beach, Florida. We'll be at the lovely Sarada Beach Resort, and then we have a sister event that weekend, 19th 20th, ending our 4 day and night event. We'll have a Saturday and Sunday at the beach with the day of being 5 point o people. So it's like a 1,000 starseeds and light workers and psychics hanging out in their swimming suits, at nearby Indian Shores Beach, which is only about 25 minutes away from Saint Pete Beach.
[01:46:30] Unknown:
Sounds way more pimping than the last event I see. Sound pimp. And star workers or light workers and witchy chicks are normally fairly good looking as a demographic, I would say. Slightly too. A little bit ate up, but good looking. I'll take it. Totally ate up, but, you know But how are we?
[01:46:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, a 100%. Otherwise, you wouldn't be attracted to them.
[01:46:52] Unknown:
But It's our energies that bring us together.
[01:46:55] Unknown:
Marcus and I's last speaking event that we had to go to a flat or didn't have to went to. Full Flattoberfest was right in hurricane Helene, and him and I went right through the center of that shit. Like, literally on the event we get. Our natural disasters
[01:47:11] Unknown:
on the rise. Is this just, what was the communication, so we're all talking about it? Weather warfare.
[01:47:19] Unknown:
Okay. As long as we keep throwing harp at everything. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But so there's a difference between man made climate change and man made climate change. And we're we're living through the latter, as far as I'm concerned. So you blaming specifically men on this and women have no part of the climate changing? Well, they know their place and they were in the kitchen sweeping up after the harp effects. They were, hopefully. You know what? If it's them getting out of the kitchen as that was the damn problem. Right? If we would have just kept them in the fucking kitchen in the first place, none of this ever would have happened. Maybe you're right, Marcus. Maybe it is women. We should go ahead and blame them. I agree with you. Then that, you know, jokes aside that that is a question because we were bringing up the topic
[01:48:11] Unknown:
of DEI. And if there were certain female firefight women firefighters who were ill equipped to do this job. So then maybe we blame the men for not stepping up to say, you know, our marriage and our strength is, you know, cut caused us to supersede the need for female fire fighters. So we're we're in the back. Dude, I see this as a a deliberate,
[01:48:36] Unknown:
manifestation of state malfeasance.
[01:48:40] Unknown:
Yeah. The DEI that Brian was talking about earlier was the nail on the head with that where it's it's they're they're, the state is choosing, wrong people because they fit other qualifiers besides the one that's good at doing their job. That qualifier is apparently not even being accounted for anymore. And and, you know, the way we do it in my house is is every time my wife tries to leave the kitchen, I try to get her pregnant, and I don't know what the hell's going on. I've been trying, you know, real hard for, like, the last 10 years, and she don't ever get pregnant. But, you know, it's been a good time. I could help you out with that. Hey. She's also in menopause. She she's also in menopause. And Oh, did you hear me? Yes. She can It was just a joke.
No. Dude, my house is only, like, fucking 3rd 20 feet by 30 feet. It's literally a shack in the woods. Like, everybody can hear you here.
[01:49:36] Unknown:
Brian, man, thank you for for being on. I appreciate your time. And, one more time, please direct people to your website and all that kind of stuff before you get out of here. Come back on. Let let's do this again. I I I really enjoyed it.
[01:49:55] Unknown:
Thank you, Steve. Yeah. My website is full disclosure movement dotorg, and, you can get the, general admissions passes and and the couples passes. This is, the super soldier early bird, which is gonna go up at the end of the month. So it's best pricing now. And, also, you can book your rooms at the Sarada Beach Resort by calling in to them directly. Let them know you're with the 2025 full disclosure now conference, and they will apply the conference discount for the if you stay the whole week, which I recommend, it's a great discount, and I I look forward to seeing everybody there.
[01:50:33] Unknown:
Heck, yeah. And how many, witchy chicks do you expect
[01:50:36] Unknown:
this year? 100. 100. And then and on the beach with their bikinis, it's gonna be great. You can't go wrong. But When the big kitty guys bitches out there on a beach.
[01:50:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I I think that this this is a good idea.
[01:50:50] Unknown:
Fucking flows over here like, I'm a starseed. I'm a starseed.
[01:50:54] Unknown:
I all I know is that my chakras are open and my crystals are aligned. Let's get it. Let's get it. Emily Moyer, we love you.
[01:51:04] Unknown:
Oh, I've got I've got plenty of great people to introduce you all to. You know, it would be great. Come bring a film crew. A lot of people are coming, and they're gonna be, doing great in person interviews. That's priceless footage. You know, if if you have to justify coming, and I'm happy to offer deals and stuff for admission and passes. Like, that's not a problem.
[01:51:26] Unknown:
Nice. Nice. Well, it sounds real pimp. Like I said, we do, public speaking. I do, I my normal thing is actually alchemy is my normal thing I speak on. I'm an actual laboratory alchemist. So it's not just, young Ian alchemy. It's actual lab alchemy that I speak on typically is the thing I'm most known for. And I don't know that I've been at one that's at pimping. The Vegas one, 2 year a couple years ago was super nice. That one was huge and super nice, but my truck got stolen out the parking garage. So fuck that. It's transmogrified.
[01:52:03] Unknown:
It turned into a donkey and walked away. Yeah. But there's any video evidence either way.
[01:52:11] Unknown:
Vegas, it's harsh. Is that was that for a Squareway to the Stars Ascension Fest at the Luxor? Or is it
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Fest.
[01:52:21] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like it's like overfest. And, and then, we were at the, Sam's Town, and I was in the parking garage. And I've been to Vegas, I think, 6 times in my life now. And the first five, Vegas was, you know, what you imagine Vegas to be. It's it's you walk in there. And, yeah, there's seedier parts, you know, if you look in the corners and whatnot. But most of it's just bright lights, everything's here, have this super awesome thing you've never imagined for $5. You know, just come here and spend your money on our gambling. And so this time when I went, the nicest restaurant in the in the place, and this is a major, motor or major, casino, station is the got the most casinos in Vegas.
TGI Fridays was the nicest place in there. They had a fucking Dunkin' Donuts in there. They had a freaking Panda Express in there. They had nothing nice. I there was shootouts in the Walmart across the road. Every night that we were there, they had police snipers on top of the Walmart. There was just like a a permanent sniper nest up on top of the Walmart thing. Where was this? In Las Vegas.
[01:53:40] Unknown:
I lived like an agent for 15 months, dude. The only people that stole my truck were the cops.
[01:53:48] Unknown:
They did. Man, cops used to steal my shit too.
[01:53:52] Unknown:
Rob. It was That might explain the Dunkin' Donuts. Okay. It was expensive. Oh, yeah. Good. That all comes together. Well, they told me they stole my truck because I was a little mystified because I'm like, who the fuck steals a farm truck? But my truck was a giant f 250,
[01:54:08] Unknown:
and the cops said they stole your truck to go rob a construction site. So so they can back up to a piece of equipment and grab it. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. I probably would have taken it out to the desert and rallied it because that's what I did with my truck when I lived in Vegas. But, dude, I I couldn't I couldn't hang it. We did. I spent over a year there. I went and watched live comedy, like, 3 nights a week. But other than that, I was way the fuck out in Red Rock. I was, you know, in the middle of nowhere. I didn't wanna be around civilization. I didn't care. I I just wanted to go and stand still long enough to where I could see all of the colors of the desert, which there's a lot of them if you stand still for 5 minutes and just wait and then look.
And Right. And yeah. Yeah. But no. The, the Las Vegas police department went to my apartment complex. We had a snitch. I had a truck that was out of reg for 3 weeks, and it got towed twice.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
Wow. They're on it.
[01:55:32] Unknown:
I heard I heard that that it went to shit. Driving around parked in a place that I paid for. I really don't have money to park my truck in my parking spot, and still LVPD
[01:55:46] Unknown:
came and was like, nah, dude. You're out of reg. So when the orders are given, the orders are followed by the order followers. Things get done. Just doing my job. 1 in Rome. 1 in Rome. You gotta pay the man.
[01:55:58] Unknown:
$1300 to clear that shit up, dude. Fuck. What? $1300 including impound fees and re reg. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:56:15] Unknown:
So were you a dick to a cop or something who piss?
[01:56:19] Unknown:
No. I do a highly subversive podcast that pisses off a lot of people on a national level. And every now and then, I I get, hit with some shit. Before that truck got towed, the truck that I had before that got set on fire in my friend's driveway. Before that
[01:56:40] Unknown:
That's gangster. I'm banned for e from Ebay for life. So nice to real recognizes real. Yeah. No. Solid, bro. Solid.
[01:56:48] Unknown:
The good good to have you on board. It is, man. It is. But, yeah, it's not. This is Flo, this is my this is my partner. The guys on the top row right now are my partners on the show.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
We've all been Or what are we? The peasantry?
[01:57:01] Unknown:
Yeah. You're the pet. You're the I I can't No. I'm just doing it.
[01:57:06] Unknown:
Here. I wouldn't hang out with you. Feel better. Alright? There you go. Welcome to FlowState. I'm in charge of this shit now. It's gonna be a decent changes around here. Everybody's gonna start drinking salt water immediately.
[01:57:17] Unknown:
Alright. Well, let's go and put Brian up there then.
[01:57:21] Unknown:
Alright. Well, everyone, it's it's been a blast. Remember, plants crave electrolytes. Solar be out. I love you all, and, I I look forward to an invite anytime you guys wanted to do a a full disclosure secret space program. I I'm willing to go super woo, and I'd I'd love to come back, guys. You doing, Sam? Good nights.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
Heck, yeah. Thank you, Brian.
[01:57:42] Unknown:
Thank you, brother.
[01:57:46] Unknown:
So, Flo, have you got a stream streaming?
[01:57:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm doing a share stream up here. There's 66 people watching on my end right now.
[01:57:57] Unknown:
Whenever, whenever Steve goes to bail, we'll probably bail over and go over and hang out with you because he's got a he lives La Vida Loca. And if he gets, too loud, she'll come in there and throw hot sauce on in his eyes. Let's please let that happen. That'd be fantastic.
[01:58:14] Unknown:
That's that's content right there. Us arguing about saltwater doesn't matter compared to that.
[01:58:21] Unknown:
We we don't need my the smoking hot Mexican girlfriend to come throw salsa in my Oh, yeah. You do like living the dangerous life, don't you?
[01:58:29] Unknown:
Hey. I I said it. I was direct.
[01:58:33] Unknown:
Embulsion. And and yeah. No. She's hotter than a fucking $50 pistol.
[01:58:39] Unknown:
That's why I get free work as he's dumb enough to sleep with crazy girls and then has to come stay at my house after he pisses him off. Every once in a while, it happens, man. And he gets an outbuilding or something. I'll be up there tomorrow. I will. You you don't choose the crazy woman life. The crazy woman life chooses you. So
[01:58:57] Unknown:
Have you called those temporary, housing arrangements dog houses until, just now?
[01:59:04] Unknown:
No. I haven't. I haven't. I should. I should. Yeah. Yeah. It's, the one of the finest dog houses I've ever seen in my life, though. It is.
[01:59:14] Unknown:
We've even got a Steve and I used to have this thing where we'd steal something from each other every time we went to each other's house, thus ensuring, you know, the other person had to come back to your house to re retrieve their stolen item. Yeah. And, after after all that, there's even an item there, and it's, inmates not inmates not allowed sign from the old prison, and it's hanging out above my still over here that's permanent now.
[01:59:42] Unknown:
I get it. I get it.
[01:59:46] Unknown:
I'd well, because I found when I was cleaning out a job that I was, like, effectively a general contractor for about 25 years before I started doing the the whole podcast thing in earnest. And so doing some cleanouts, got a hold of, a couple of really weird items,
[02:00:09] Unknown:
and so Ben wound up with 1. Yeah. I, yeah, I did the same thing, and you you can find some weird shit in clean outs or in demo if you like like yeah. There's shit in walls. People don't realize how much stuff there is in walls.
[02:00:24] Unknown:
And then the storage places. Those those three things what the are the things where you're gonna find weird shit. You know?
[02:00:32] Unknown:
I've never done storage units, but, like, owning store I would love to own storage units someday. It just seems like the best business. My point is on it.
[02:00:43] Unknown:
Whenever we would put in crown molding or something like that, we would always I don't know. We would always make sure that that we when we hung the crown, we'd put, like, a newspaper or something like that from the day behind it. And whenever somebody goes to replace it, they get a little present. Sometimes we had some saltier individuals on the crew who would porn bomb.
[02:01:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Around an entire crew. They porn bomb the future.
[02:01:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you went to go rip that shit out 35 years from now, you pop the crown out and then you get hit with the freaking hustler from 1993
[02:01:29] Unknown:
or whatever. So can you imagine what they're gonna go through? Because, like, alright. I when I was 18, I was working at Montgomery Wards, and there's this old guy named Ernie that ran Montgomery the the dock where I worked. Big Ern. Yeah. Big Ern. And he took us up to all go ice fishing. And he had, like, some 19 seventies porn. And those girls had pushed up to their belly buttons. Like, it was like they had a car to put their knees to their nipples. And you're like, what the fuck? And, I mean, I'm not one of them people that like like the little girl look where it's completely bare or anything like that. But Woah. But like but if but, like, hold on. Don't you should not have a hairier belly than me. Get get the fuck out of here with that. This is no longer a bush. This is a happy trail, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. And and he has all these old tours with, like, these women, and I'm opening them up. And I'm like, what the hell? You know? And freaking so can you imagine, like, those people when they they open up and they're like, oh, people found that attractive?
[02:02:33] Unknown:
Like, you you shouldn't need teeth made out of scissors to eat pussy. You shouldn't.
[02:02:39] Unknown:
You shouldn't. I I think you just didn't eat back then. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You didn't even know what you were having sex with. It's a hairball.
[02:02:48] Unknown:
You know, but machete and just got into the jungle, baby. Just it doesn't taste taste. Either that or Where's my Indiana Jones hat?
[02:02:58] Unknown:
It's either that or you had to eat it from the back. Right?
[02:03:04] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Look. If there's a happy trail of fun, there's probably one in back too.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
That's just called eating ass, sir. That it is. And at that point, it really is. It really is.
[02:03:22] Unknown:
Oh, with that much hair, you know it's like shitting through a cheese grater. Oh, shit.
[02:03:31] Unknown:
Look. All we're saying all we're saying, ladies, landing strip, that's great. Awesome. It was great. It was great. Carve a heart into it. Even
[02:03:43] Unknown:
the Hitler, you know, the Hitler box or whatever.
[02:03:46] Unknown:
If we need you, we'll come along with some clippers every now and then. Just you know?
[02:03:53] Unknown:
No. Like like like a pick and pull, you're gonna have to do a little bit of work on the front end to get your your your vagina out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that that's the way it goes anyway, Flo. It really is, man. If you if you were optimal performance, you gotta put in a little work. Right?
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Thank you, baby. Somebody,
[02:04:15] Unknown:
since having said in my chat, says Bush is coming back. Is this what you guys have noticed in the in the,
[02:04:21] Unknown:
you're not trying to now now granted, I'm not.
[02:04:25] Unknown:
Your your wife or girl your woman's right within earshot.
[02:04:29] Unknown:
But what but she knows. I'm not dating, and I'm not I'm extremely faithful to my wife. But
[02:04:35] Unknown:
but Have you tried letting her choose the girl?
[02:04:38] Unknown:
Yeah. We don't do that either.
[02:04:44] Unknown:
I'll I'm a give it to him on that. That was good. That was good. Yeah. It was.
[02:04:49] Unknown:
No. But
[02:04:50] Unknown:
I that that that looking like a little kid, that's weird to me. Yeah. Like, why why do you look like you're prepubescent?
[02:04:58] Unknown:
I mean, I understand logically how that is weird. However, I've, you know, that just is what the vaginas that we've grown to know, I think. Well, there was a a I'm able to know that I was actually having sex before this movement. So I'm not comfortable with that. There was, like, an era and it probably 10 or 15 years
[02:05:19] Unknown:
where they really tried to push that whole, like, shave pussy thing on you. And Say that again. And that was there were 10 or 15 year period where societally, they were like, oh, yeah. No.
[02:05:34] Unknown:
Where all the body hair is removed? Mid nineties to mid nineties to mid to For for let's be fair. Let's be fair. The same was pushed on men too. You have those Calvin Klein outfits or they're selling Yeah. Beans, but the only thing they're wearing are the jeans, and there's no hair on anywhere else on any of the models' bodies. It seems like for dudes, like, we grew up
[02:05:56] Unknown:
and and Tom Selleck was kind of the representation of male. And Tom Selleck was hairy as fuck and he had a big ass mustache and a fucking, you know, facial expression.
[02:06:09] Unknown:
Goddamn mustache. That mustache was its own being. When top of the size, the mustache will be it will remain.
[02:06:19] Unknown:
And we went from that to fucking Justin Bieber overnight. Yeah. And it's been a struggle ever since. I feel like women have gone through the same sort, of struggle. The they had, you know, big bush broads in the seventies, in the eighties, or whatever, all that. And then all of a sudden so had had had curvier,
[02:06:45] Unknown:
figures. They weren't anorexic. They weren't boys.
[02:06:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So I nature is healing. We're correcting. We're we're getting out of that. I feel like,
[02:06:59] Unknown:
you know Bring make Harry fatties great again?
[02:07:02] Unknown:
Well nobody said fatties. Nobody said fatties, bro. Let's not get crazy. Right. Let's not go wild with it. Pro state is allowed. Just because I don't want just because I don't want a woman that looks like a teenage boy doesn't mean that, I I want a fatty. Let's settle down over here. One of them more It's
[02:07:22] Unknown:
not just little kids or Lizzo. There's a fucking
[02:07:27] Unknown:
goddamn spectrum.
[02:07:29] Unknown:
Yeah. But, like, the normal the normal part of that spectrum is not as entertaining as the extremes.
[02:07:36] Unknown:
That depends on how your stroke is and where you're hitting it, though, really. I mean, you know. Somewhere in that bush. It's going somewhere in that bush.
[02:07:45] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Right? Right. Yeah. But when they when they shave the whole thing off and they look like a prepubescent boy no body fat and no boobs, then what what are you gonna do then? You're just like, you it's just looking like freaking it's just looking like a young version of fucking Bill from silence of the lambs, like, tucking it.
[02:08:05] Unknown:
Gentlemen, the wildest thinking about actual,
[02:08:09] Unknown:
fertile looking humans. I mean, this could be a debate on itself as far as, you know, the the signs of fertility. Yes. But also the rates of infertility and what might be the causes of that.
[02:08:23] Unknown:
Sorry there, floozy b, that you just came into the fucking livestream right now.
[02:08:29] Unknown:
They show the show last 2 hours at 8 o at 801,
[02:08:33] Unknown:
the show went right to the gutter. Right? I mean, there was no pit stop. Just It happens places that I go, but look at this Freudian slip all up in this comment anyways. Right? Right? Right? It's not a weird time to come into anything given the conversation.
[02:08:51] Unknown:
No. No. In fact, you, you may find a little bit more enjoyment based on the fact that you did come into the conversation right now.
[02:09:02] Unknown:
Yeah. And in fact, you replaced Solar Bee. So you're you're apparently the much dirtier bee.
[02:09:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It was a dad joke. It was In in terms of the the conversation about depopulation, the counterargument of, you know, increasing the population by encouraging young people to date and mate and explore each other's bodies to create a replacement for the people.
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How crazy is it we're in an area the era that that's a thing that we need to encourage? Well, I think that's part of the future. You couldn't keep you away from the girls with a freaking with a gun. You know, you're finding ways to dodge. Like, oh, shit. I got a duck dive dodge. The restraining orders didn't work. I can I yeah? That's what I heard about you.
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No. Well, that that's just a restraining order is just proof of love.
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Love. Yeah. It really is.
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8 8 kids and 8 grandkids.
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I I was It's playing hard it's playing hard to get is what it is.
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No means yes when you're girls. I mean, I didn't say that.
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Bunny says, what do you guys think about black pussy? I thought this is great. Like, a lot of it. Yeah.
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Steve Steve is dying to be the cream in some coffee. Now don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. He's the onion in a burrito right now, but
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I grew up I I grew up dating black girls, man. I've I've only been with a handful of white women in my life. And
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Those are the ones he procreated with. The yeah. I have white I have white babies. I do.
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I do. I because I you know,
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I plan that shit out. So for for context, we do have some some new viewers and listeners tonight. The deliberating dog faced dudes. First couple episodes did directly address the so called red pill issues and and males' rights activists and men's issues and and dating and mating and these types of topics. We will cover those going forward. We'd cover a variety of topics. Tonight, the, Kyle California wire wildfires were were hot on everyone's minds, and we discussed the the use of saltwater and the solution for putting fires out and the pros and cons of that. Where we learned that that,
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Flo would rather have a house today than a future
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for his children. No. That's absurd. Know if you're gonna go away. We're gonna light you on fire and see what that does to the soil. That's Real quick. For for Carpenter's Journey, if you wanna know where the black women are at, you gotta watch a couple of my other shows, yeah, because I have black female cohosts on 2 of the shows that I do, and then they bring in a a bunch of other black girls. So, yeah, just amwakeupshows.com. You can hang out with the link. A lot of black girls.
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Most of my, children and grandchildren's hair is the same approximate color as their flow's background. I'm highly northern European, and so is my, penis' taste. It does. I I could care less on my my dick. It it it distinctly likes Northern European. Never fucking I've never be with a fucking white girl again. Especially in California, they're just entitled dumb cunts. I'm with the white girl.
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I don't know what you're doing. Or I mean, Danish.
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I want it.
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Is that where you both pay for your for your meal separately? You get separate checks? Dutch or Danish?
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Going She's Danish. It's my bad. I don't know what I was thinking. I just wanted to get beat up, I guess. Yeah. No. Going Danish just means that you have to wear wooden shoes when you pay for the meal. You know what, dude? You know what, dude? Snooki showed up. It's Danish too. I checked. You know what, dude? Snooki showed up at Danish days 2 years ago and danced with Chrissy. Chrissy and fucking, fucking night. She had the stupid wooden shoes on and everybody just looked at her like, what the fuck are you doing? Like and, you know, she had her whole camera crew and everything, but Christie and her friends had to dance with Snooki. It was fucking hilarious.
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I've told What is what is the white pill in a nutshell?
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What is the white pill? Okay. So let let's look at it let's look at it this way. If the black pill is,
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Women bad.
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Nobody's coming to save you and we're all fucked, then the white pill is you are responsible for your own salvation, and it's your obligation to your community and your family to put that forward and try to find solutions in every possible avenue that you can.
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So It's impossible, but it's not it's it's difficult, but not impossible as a pill. The black pill is it's impossible
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and you shouldn't even try, so why bother? I think the black pill is the fucking biggest SIOP of the last couple of years. It's a demoralization, SIOP. Yeah. Yeah. That Yuri Besmanov shit that just on, a an Internet level, of communicability. It's like culture. Black bullshit, dude, so much, man. I I well, I'd I just met you. I don't know you, Flo. But but I've been fucking railing against that shit for fucking years, man. I'd I oh, dude. I I'm just I'm just starting into that,
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fighting the manosphere, MGTOW red pill, black pills, shit.
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It's That's kind of where that's that's kind of where we are. We don't necessarily want to a 100% fight it because some of the things we agree, but some we a 100% disagree. Like, the fact is is it it it seems to me and we one one of our first debates was against, GLO who's a big red pill guy. Just a bunch of guys that are trying to talk to basement dwellers that are absolutely and then and then they're like, oh. They're misery pimps. Yeah. And and, yeah, misery pimps. That's a perfect term for it. And and the guys that they're selling their shit to are not guys like, with with GLO, he was specifically, like, their he he caters a lot to the Indian crowd. And I'm like, so you think these guys are gonna, like, show me pics of Bob's and Vazgines are gonna be.
Yeah. I know. And, like, get the fuck out of here. And you got Rolo Tomasi. That guy is sleeping like, half those guys are hanging out with hookers. Like, I'm sorry. So then being an alpha male is have having enough money to get a hooker because that's not you know? You you rather pay your money to Wes Watson or some fuck not like that. Why don't you just give $200 to a hooker and, hey. You got pussy. I just gave you that one for free, guys. Like, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that's the route you should go. I'm personally into the It's definitely in a step up. Yeah. It's a step up from paying some dude to that's to go out and be a jackass, and then you still are just a loser. But now you're a loser who has no money that gave it to another dude.
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Like, how weird is that? You paid a guy who learned how to be a man in prison. Consider that.
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Yeah. To teach you how to be a man. So wasn't wasn't the grip essentially. Get a bunch of young people. In prison real soon too. Bring him bring him to a hotel. Talk to him about the benefits of being women and some tips to talk to women and then seed the club with women who are available for a price. So then the man who's given the convention is also getting a cut of the money going to the women so that the men can hook up with them in the hotel room. It's just Yeah. It was a whole season. Feel like that they're make them feel like that they're, some of the was, well, you know, you're gonna have to pay a woman so you didn't have the real world experience. It's like an RPG metaphor for for you to get any experience with a woman. You it's it's good for you to pay her for her time. Let me tell you guys. To gain your attention. Go up and hook, when you go to find the wonderful woman who's gonna be the loving mother that takes care of you and takes care of your children,
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having had experience with a hooker ahead of time is not gonna be helpful. I I just It's not.
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Yeah. But it's still I I think that being I think that if men hold on to or carry on their virginity too long, it starts being a big psychological wait for them.
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Put the pet pussy gets put on the pedestal, and they get
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the time Let me let me ask you a question, Flo. What do you think the optimum age then would be for, a man to lose his virginity?
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I don't know that I thought about that. It's, so I think that it's gonna be social primarily. That that the answer will be have social context.
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Okay. No. I can rock with that. I can. I can. I just I don't because it's it's I mean, isn't it mostly a social concern? Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're making the declarative statement, if a man is a virgin for too long, then there has to be, at some point, an optimum. Right?
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Yeah. But I don't think it's biologically fixed. I think it's socially determined.
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So socially when is too long?
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So socially when is too long? Socially, I think that if you hit 20, probably. I'm just from the hip, I would say at 20, you're probably starting to feel that. Okay. I gotta agree with you. We I I kinda I I agree with that. I would pay for a hooker before I mean, honestly, I personally would move it lower, but I recognize that I
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See, I'd move it higher. I'd move it up to, like, 23. I mean, like, you can be a 22 year old virgin and trying to fucking actually produce the best version of yourself in that moment that you can. It it doesn't mean, you know, it it doesn't mean that you wouldn't have benefit if you you have sex when you were 17, 18, 19, or whatever. But but Jesus Christ. Are you Marcus Aurelius over here? You went through that whole teenage years without bumping uglies one time? Right. Well, I didn't. I I didn't, but I'm not the fucking example of what you're supposed to do.
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I'm not When you were 18, how many 12. I'm, like, fucking 22. Oh, yeah, dude. I was 13. The more yeah. I was 14. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking 18 is probably, you know, more reasonable than 20. I'm gonna move it down some. But I don't know what the kids these days are doing. I hear that they're, more celibate than we were. Are they? They are. They are. I have a 19 year old son.
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Are you cool? Yeah. Do oh, by the way, my my 19 year old son got, like, legitimately drunk for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Not a problem. Funny as fuck. Like, legitimately
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drunk. Not like when his aunt fed him Mike's hard cider when he Objection. I challenge that it was the first time. It was just the first time you knew about dad?
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No, dude. It's Kit Tastes Kid's actually a really good kid, and they have a really open
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thing. He just tells me Isn't it weird how that works? My my daughter should too. Relationship.
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Yeah. No. He'll he he's he's overly forthright with me. Yeah.
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Like, to an uncomfortable level sometimes. I used to use that offensive over disclosure against my mom. They would teach her not to ask any fucking questions. Mhmm. Yeah. Well, that's Do you overshare on something you don't care about so she doesn't feel the need to pry into something that you do? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. No. It's a it's a, a, combat tactic. It is. But but no. I didn't like, I know I know for a fact that the first time I get my kid got drunk was because my sister got him drunk because he went and hung out with his aunt out of state, and she was like, hey. You know? We're all fucking lushes here in Illinois, so why don't you fucking pull up and have a fucking hard lemonade? You know? And he's like, what? What? Why? Why would I do that? Why? You don't no. Fucking don't be a puss. You know? Fucking sack up. Drink this shit. Faggot, what are you doing?
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The amount of social pressure it takes to get through your 1st alcoholic drink because it never is good. You're never like, wow. That was just awesome. You're always like, oh, oh, god. Mhmm.
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Yeah. I like it, guys. I like it. Your first beer. Right? Like but I don't know. The first mixture the first time I got drunk, it was, pineapple juice and Malibu rum. Like Oh. I was good with that. That's the bit. That I said I said I I didn't mean a bitch drink. Oh, well, no. It's fine. It is a bitch drink. I was also 13. So Yeah. I I I understand.
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Like like, I thought cactus juice was one of the first alcohols I ever bought. Yeah. No. Too.
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I think mine was Southern Comfort and Mountain Dew. So we're not that far off.
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Dude, I drank so much southern comfort when we were, like, 17, 18. That one was such an easy one. I remember I my best friend was Chinese. He was from Hong Kong, and we tried doing the Chinese flips while we were drunker and fucked. Only my, my wife What is a Chinese flip? Where you, you know, you do that thing where you roll up on your shoulders and kick up onto your feet. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. I thought it was like a shot or something. And, no. We were just drinking Southern Comfort, but we were doing it in the laundry room in this apartment building because my wife wouldn't let us smoke. That's the best. I already love this shit. I'm fucking so but it's a cement floor, and we're drunker and fucked doing this thing where you roll up on your and then try and flip up and not succeeding any of the times.
It is all bad. You wake up the next day feeling like somebody beat you at the baseball bat when you sobered up. Jesus god. You're talking about high school students
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and their experience with substances. There there there are some who are so afraid. And part of that is there might be a school policy that says you can't sing in the choir. You can't play on the football team if if you're caught drinking or using any of any substances. And, you know, I that might actually be to the great detriment of many young people.
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Yes. Absolutely.
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So so, enforcing, completely, sober life, straight edge all of the time forever because the the lack of ability to moderate or self moderate is is gonna be an issue. So even for the high school kids where there was a topic of should parents allow alcohol on their property, in their home, and for the friends invite a few friends over to have a small house party and then provide them alcohol if they so choose to drink it. Not forcing them, but making it available for them. Or is the fear of the parents because someone says, oh, I confess. I had a sip of, you know, a wine cooler or something at a friend's house when I was 13. Is the is the book the pushback from the government, other parent groups, you know, Facebook, snitches, and things. So great that it prevents anyone from having a reasonable experience of altered states of consciousness from an early age to understand what it's about.
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Will kids give themselves altered states of consciousness without alcohol? Frequently. Do you I You're talking about, like, cough medicine and shit? No. I'm talking about being fucking choked out till you pass out. I remember
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that. Oh my god. That was
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the gateway drug right there. Yeah, bro.
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Yeah. Don't you have to get a learner's permit before you can be autorotic?
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I no. Apparently not. Not in Indiana
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anyway, man. I don't know. Alright. No. You would have one guy lean over and huff real hard. Go.
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And then stand up while the other guy squeezing his chest, and then they just they're just out and you're like in a fucking cornfield, huffing fucking computer duster or some shit. Oh, man. The duster shit. Oh, when I was a fucking, like, 11 or something like that. They they put bittering agents in those. They even put bittering agents on Nintendo switch cartridges so people don't lick them. I mean, you know, everything is everything that was maybe a a day a possibility of danger has been, you know, sealed up because of legal implications and and push back. And
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and I should Now dudes are cutting off their dick because they don't have any struggles or or sense of danger in their life. It's just
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Yeah. I would also state though that it's because we're in a very feminine society. And so they to them, a lot of these guys, they had a very domineering mother. And to them, a powerful person is that woman. And so rather than wanting to grow up to be the man, the alpha for them is the woman because we're in a horribly feminine society. Yeah.
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Yeah. Probably. But yeah.
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Been overly feminized for 60 years.
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Safety should not be the priority on everything that it is. I think that there's a lot of value in learning how to manage your like, I got a fake ID when I was 15 and it worked great. And I can hold my liquor as an adult now. And I know not you know, it's just there's value in learning that shit before you can go to prison.
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I was I was, never had the fake ID, but I joined the army when I was 17, and nobody questions your military ID going into a bar back in the night you know, early nineties. Right? Then nobody they're like, oh, military idea. Go ahead. I mean, what you want? You know? So I freaking and and I I do agree. And I I practice that. I've got, you know, a bunch of bunch of kids myself and with all my kids. I said, you know, if you wanna do something, come home. I'm not gonna judge you. Talk to me about it. We're gonna we'll discuss what acts what the realities of it are, not the crap that they talk about in school, but also not the crap that your friends think either. And that way, when you if you decide that this is the thing for you, which I wouldn't have applied for any of the harder drugs, but, like, for, like, cannabis or something like that, If you decide this is something you wanna continue using, you're not gonna go, if somebody tries to hand you, like, some wet or something like that, you're gonna look at it, smell it, and go this ain't right. And now you're not gonna expose yourself to a very dangerous situation because you have that knowledge, that experience.
I think, I agree with Flo. It's these kids that can't got kept bottled up and weren't able to go through the natural progression at that younger age that now all of a sudden they're adults and they're able to do it and they overdo it to an extent that no experienced person would do. I agree.
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Well, that's sort of the book learning. If you have, DARE group in 4th grade, the, students against the sector decisions, these types of you know, the cop comes in and tells you don't do these drugs. If you think your parents aren't doing these drugs, let us know. That sort of thing. Mhmm. It's a greater topic of how are we to educate with the hands off approach so that the young people have a little bit of self experience with the things at their own pace to figure things out for themselves because that's really the only way for certain types of learners to learn anything.
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The way that I did it as a parent, and I don't recommend this course of action to anyone, but, I was, out of pocket before, I don't know, the first, like, 9 or 10 years of my kid's life. I was fucking reckless. I was a reckless individual. I shouldn't have been, but I was. And so now my kids have grown up rebelling against their parent. So they're all fucking straight edge. I can't wanna do any dumb shit, and they're like, oh, no. I'm gonna try and and and figure this out, without being a dumbass. So, again, I don't recommend that, but Ben will testify, and Christy will testify. I got pretty good kids now. I do.
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No. He he really does. His kids are real good kids.
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I've got the same my daughter was 5 when our house got raided for drugs, and she's a teenager now, and, like, I've never had any issues with her at all. I'm not overbearing. It's not a great lesson. It's a terrible way to teach a lesson, but, I do there is a lot to be said for for you know, you're raising kids to operate in the world on their own. And so overparenting or overprotecting doesn't let them learn how to do that on their own. It actually stifles it. It's it's it's the opposite of what I think the goal should be. So I've always had the approach, look, I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna fuck with managing your life if your life is managed, and that's worked out great. Yeah. She knows where the boundaries are. I started when she was young. Said, we can keep watching this TV show with Archer. We can keep watching Archer together, but if you cuss in front of your grandma, anybody at any adults at school or your daycare provider, we're done with it.
You know? That that philosophy has carried me through, and I recommend it.
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So are you an orthodox Christian now?
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I'm not.
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Why not?
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Are you an orthodox Christian?
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No. No. Not not not. We're also kinda trying we're more than kinda trying to pick a fight with the ortho bros. Oh, it's not hard. Yeah. It is. It's much harder than you than you would think. Yeah. Much harder than you would think. Suppose supposedly, I'm having a debate with Andrew, but he agreed to it back in October, like, the be like, beginning like, this 2nd week of October or 1st 1st or second week of October. And just basically man. And, we invited I we have we've Steve and I have both been over to, easy's channel to try and pick fights and invited people, and nobody will come pick fights with us. And I went on their channel and really had at it with them for for a day, and then that was it. You know, they won't.
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Actually, I I can hook you up with debates against Ortho Bros.
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Perfect. We would love that. What what they seem to want, though, and I may be viewing it, I don't know, recently and, like, in the isolated form, but I do because I don't immerse myself in it, a 100%. But it seems like they want, more red team, blue team kind of of arguments than anything that would actually push the bounds of of thinking or have them engage in anything other than pre prescribed talking points that land as zingers instead of, substantive debate. And and again I actually agree with that. New I'm new to that. I could be totally fucking wrong. I really could. And I I think that that's accurate. Like to be.
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Okay. I think there's some root to that.
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Yeah. It's like it's like, oh, yeah. You guys are dying to freaking debate retarded liberals. Awesome.
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Everyone wants to fucking kick around a liberal fucking idiot, dude. It's that easy, though. Yeah. That's so fucking easy.
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Like, if you can't figure out what a woman is, then you're not worthy of debating. Like, that's just the you you're already you're you're you're you're you obviously have, you know, lacking cognitive abilities already. So you're taking candy from a baby. What's up, Tim Timney?
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Good to see you live. Is that candy you you even want? Will you even eat the candy once you've gotten it from the baby? No. No. That's What are you gonna do with that? What what do you do with that? It it's like at some point, I guess, our our conversation went to the idea that there seems to be a cultural swing back for various reasons, which we could include in the debate. Why we think that there is the sort of swing back to a more, stringent set of rituals and a daily rigorous structure, probably because the amount of freedoms people have experienced has caused them suffering. So now they want to impose structure upon their lives to think that somehow that will lead to a different result. And maybe that's where we have the debate to say, do you believe that participating in an Orthodox fellowship, a group of men who are within the Orthodox Christian Church, that you will lead to a a better outcome. I don't think we're arguing that you're gonna have a worse outcome than what you're doing before.
We want to explore what are the reasons that culture itself in general, American cultures. So maybe the hedonistic western liberal sort of do what you wanna do. Libertine is the word I'm trying to say. Like, a libertine kind of thing where we've now got more more legalization of access to THC and alcohol and vapes and things from Timu and who knows what available for people. And they've tried some more.
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I I gotta tell you. How how did it go from hard illicit drugs to things from Timu and then you just stop? You're just like Right. That was the that was the
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your brain went your brain made a leap that I don't know what how that was a lot. Maybe I'm advertised certain Timu products that are really embarrassing to share with you all. There's a reason that you're getting shown pocket pussies.
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Yeah. Yeah. The the Timu fleshlight is not being advertised to 7 year olds. All kinds of massages. And let me tell you,
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those those wands from Timu, be careful with them. They do catch fire. They do. They do. And You know how the vibrators that look like microphones? Just watch it.
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Yikes.
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You don't even know if they're dishwasher safe.
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They're not dishwasher safe. They're not.
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Dude, it's something these girls really get into it. Could you imagine not figuring out that that shit's on fire till it's really on here's here's my black pussy, guys. Could you imagine white black pussy.
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Could you imagine needing a fucking baseball bat to find a glitter?
[02:37:21] Unknown:
Man. What the fuck, dude? Like, I don't I don't know. I need to I need to have my leg in a bear trap to come. I don't know about you, vanilla.
[02:37:29] Unknown:
Like like, hey. You're like, look, dude. I'm not here to kink shame, bro. I'm not. I'm not here to kink shame. I'm not All's I'm saying is need it in a bear trap, though, you should probably try getting punched in the back of the head first.
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All's I'm saying is is if you've been taking a baseball bat to that beaver that's got freaking looks like it's something for fucking Royal Rumble cage match, you know, with bumps and spikes on it. Got a Harley engine attached to it, and you can't knock to go do it. That's your fault. There's one of 2 possible situations
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that would arise from that. And one is that it's been beat up more times than Tina Turner.
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The other is straight to hell.
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The other is involved in this no matter what. The other is there's, yeah, there's there's a lot of fucking antianxiety meds involved that just, you know, fucking chemically castrated this chick. And she's on too many fucking drugs, and she can't come. Well, who is Max, and why is he so mad? Well, he he's mad because,
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dude, it's dark.
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Dude. But no. I mean, that really that's kind of what it amounts to. We've got generations of people on, literal empathy killing drugs. If you're gonna take away all of the fucking feeling receptors in a human being, you're gonna take away the pleasure centers in a human being as a side effect of that. So we've got a lot of people that are highly medicated and overly medicated and can't feel legitimate human pleasure anymore as a direct result of the medication that they're on.
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That actually that sounds pretty logical to me.
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It's, I mean, it's kind of written into the chemicals that they put into this crap, and they've done multiple studies over it over the last, like, 15 years. And now we have, a couple of generations, of women that can't come and as a result of it, want to run shit. They don't know how to fucking run shit.
[02:39:55] Unknown:
Like, I'm not I I know what it's It's good. It's straight up straight up. So women that couldn't get off, that was literally what the definition of hysteria used to be. And women would go to the doctor to get vaginal area massages, to get a release, to go to go and relieve their hysteria. Like, women and and it's a fact. Like, they act I don't know. It's something that media did in schools where they acted like men were the ones that are needy for sex. Oh, no. Women get women go without getting a without getting a piece broke off. They turn crazy. Straight.
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They'll take it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I'm not I'm not I'm and look, dude. There's people getting frosty in the chat. Frosty. But look, dude. This ad I'm not blaming women specifically for this at all. I love women. I love one specific woman, but but I'd you know? Her name is Russell. I her her name is Frederick.
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Got a very feminine penis.
[02:41:05] Unknown:
Yep.
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Yeah. It's a a It's a large quid. Quit being fucking disrespectful. Gated clitoris. Don't be judgy. Holy fuck, dude. We just met. You know, you said get put your shit in a bear trap. What the fuck? Judgey son of a bitch. What? Right?
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You need teeth to come. I just need a large clit.
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But have you tried teeth?
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I've never had a blowjob from Taylor Swift. No. I have not.
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But I guarantee all of us would take one if offered.
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Absolutely not.
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Okay. You have to say that because your wife's right there.
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If my wife wasn't there, I would say absolutely not. I am well past that age.
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That's not an age that's people grow out of.
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Okay. Look, man. Just between you, me, and Jesus, I don't want a a fucking flat ass white girl giving me a toothy blowjob. I really don't. I really don't. And that's and look at He did say how much he likes the chocolate. He got the jungle fever. I'd I I was born with jungle fever. I'd I fucking I I have parlayed that into, yes, a complete rejection of my man. Parlay. I don't know if it's a good one or right but Oh, it's accurate. It is. It is. I word good. It it may not look like it, but I word good. I do. But yeah. No. No. No. I I I don't I don't think that at least in California, you could date a white woman that will appreciate you in the modern era.
Ben got lucky. He did. He he backed himself he he bagged himself a white lady. But I also got lucky in that I have a smoking hot Mexican that about to be wife.
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So, you know And she's sometimes nice to you too. That's an extra bonus. More often than not live in my house. You know? So it's like he's got 2 houses in this. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I have a fucking escape hatch. I got a bro hole to fucking go to. A bro hole. That's what you wanna call that? Yeah. No. I was making the name that you settled on. It's a bro hole.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sounded like a doggy door with a little dog. Can't reconsider and maybe make it something less zesty. No. I want to make it that weird. Is there weather stripping around this? I'm trying to make it that weird on purpose.
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I am. Let's all get uncomfortable together.
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What exactly was it that was women's fault anyways? I forgot what got blamed on women. I'm not sure.
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Their, inability
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to think rationally. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I
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don't know. Well, we got that. Their fault. I don't know how to, you know Yeah. I don't I don't think anybody was blaming women for anything. Yeah.
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Yeah. No. We we we do love you. We do. For sure. So let let's be clear now. If there is a woman who's in charge of a press conference and she reads from a teleprompter and tells California Fire residents that they can get support by going to URL, and then she repeats that phrase again to tell people that they can get support by going to URL and people not understanding that that is a universal research locator. That's the placeholder for someone to put in the website into the text for the teleprompter. So when the woman, under pressure at a press conference in California reads the words URL and doesn't correct to say, oh, that's a website. We'll get those details to you further. She wasn't able to go off script.
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Oh god. That is so fucking raw and burgundy. It's awesome.
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So if any Yeah. That's that's pretty Joe Biden. I think that this we can throw out this example because we just had a president who Yeah.
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Dude, you know the hairy leg speech was not on a script anywhere. He told me But the but the hold for applause was The hold for applause was great. The hairy legs thing is wild. Dude, so wild. Like, I can't believe that was before the guy got president. I mean, it would be understandable if that one was on this newest run where everybody goes, oh, that guy's got dementia. Like, no. That was before he became president. You didn't realize then? You didn't listen to the hairy leg speech and go, oh, shit. And as as his handlers all turned off the stage and get him to shut up and stop telling that story. Like, fuck.
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Right. So do you ever wonder if this string of insane leadership failures is part of the design to say that, well, you know, in crisis situations, our leaders buckle under the pressure. Therefore, our fail proof system needs to be using a sentient simulation that we have on a server over here that's recreated the world and all the conditions for us to make a decision. And we punched in the situation, the numbers, and our output is, here's what we're gonna do. And because we believe that the computer is the best that we have in terms of giving us a decision, well, you can't argue with the computer. You can't argue with that. This is what the computer said. This is what we did.
No no no human gets fired or thrown under the bus in that situation anymore. I think we're being taught not to like our form of of, representative
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government, which I can't say that I'm a massive fan of to begin with is but, I do think we're being trained into the,
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the next industrial revolution. Democracy, though. This democracy that we've that we're being fed like it's a real thing now is absolutely nothing like what our country was founded on. Like and I understand a lot of people, and I do get people butt hurt, but weak bitch ass men should not be voting. Women should not be voting. Like and if we and you can distinctly tell the policy changes after both the, the men's rights movements and then the women's rights movements. You can tell the difference between the the and and in my mind, and I'm not saying that I don't think you should vote for. But in my mind, that's kinda what the epitome of, like, tonight's debate was where you have people that are willing to sacrifice the future for the now.
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No. You're retarded. You're retarded if you think that's that's what it's about. Yeah. For BLA. You're retarded, actually, if you think that's what that's about tonight. I I do think It's about your assessment of what is harmful is off. It's not about at all, like, oh, I wanna save this house and fuck up the future. It's that you don't understand how salt works compared to chemicals.
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It's it's it's that you're not thinking about that. No. I'm literally only thinking about that. You would that's why you would say it's a own a fucking house. I don't have any dog in that fight. Worst thing you could do. That is an insult to do something water. Salt.
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Salt is the worst thing you could do. No.
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It's the worst That's the biggest insult you could do to a people. That's how you kept them down for generations. Okay. I don't know what sort of generational trauma you're referencing, but if they had salt in the land became a saying.
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I understand that, but salt is not a toxin. So too much of anything is a toxin. What I'm saying is salt is not a toxin, but all these chemicals that are getting burnt down, those are. You're you're replacing it with something worse because we have them at our disposal now.
[02:49:04] Unknown:
I I'm saying just like you wouldn't drink salt water a week after being out in a ship because you're dehydrated because it would make it worse, I would not put salt water onto a fire even though I agree, FOBE, that the chemical for the worst things that there that is in the situation, I still would not then go make it
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further worse by doing something I know is purposely harmful to them. The idea is to put salt water on things so that you don't have them burning. It's not to come and salt the ground after it's already burned down.
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The the the the the the things burnt down, period. They there is no stopping that once they start going. The all you're trying to do Then what's the point of our do this. No. So you're saying that this whole debate is about whether or not we should pour water, salt water, and ashless? Live in Northern Cali. If your building's on fire, it's gone. They are trying to No. You're saying we just had an argument about whether or not we should pour saltwater
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on ashes.
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That yeah. That building's definitely gone. There that that there's no saving it. They are gonna just stop it from going to the next anybody else think that we were debating about whether or not to pour saltwater onto already burnt down structures? Yeah. And then that's gonna take that that that But I wasn't asking Ben. It was asking everybody else. And now pound that into the water table, and now that's on your land for the foreseeable future.
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Yeah. No. There there's a there's a cause and effect thing that Yeah. That it has been largely unconsidered Wow. Throughout all of this. And it's yes, of course, everybody recognizes the need to put out a fire. Nobody nobody's arguing that there are multiple different ways that humans have come up with over the last, I don't know, 140 years to deal with that. Lots of them aren't beneficial. So I think what we're ultimately trying to discuss is what is most beneficial, not what is immediately accessible. And then on top of that, we have the entirety of human history where people aren't pouring salt onto the ground because they have an intention of using that ground.
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You think that's why we haven't pumped ocean water on the fires throughout human history? Because we do that Yeah. Because you would like to grow shit thereafter. You don't think there might be an infrastructure or a capacity issue that maybe we didn't have a way to transport
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millions of gallons of water? Why would you ever wanna transport water that's gonna damage everything on the land? Because everything's on fire, motherfucker. What do you mean why don't you do that? Do it, bro? Then why don't they do it?
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Right? Same reason they started it in the first place. Because and we all agree that they didn't have the history, they have not done it. Okay.
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Because human history human history, they didn't have the ability to move that much fucking water. Are you kidding? Well, we've done it for a 100 plus years at this point where we've had aircraft that could do that. It's the that's not a part of
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CDF or any other like, I don't know. But unless you do know for sure you can demonstrate them. We're all stuck in the intent to do it because they guys got their going together.
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We'll have to do some more homework.
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Implement Saltwater is implemented as a mitigating and very, very minority part of the overall protocol for
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all of the modern era. Because all of our infrastructure is designed to move fresh water because when we're not fighting fires, we use we have an alternative use for it. The primary use actually is potable water. Let's let's continue
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let's continue your line of thinking. Why? Why are you using fresh water? Not because it's not because it's I just explained it. Hang hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Not because it's right there. Not because it's the most convenient, especially if you're in Malibu, and you have to go over an entire fucking mountain ridge in order to get there. So it's not because it's closer.
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It's It's not because it's closer. It's because we've got other uses, and it's less corrosive. It's less corrosive. They would make no sense to to build out infrastructure to fight fires that taps the ocean
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and have another system entirely used for everything else. Like an area where fresh water is a problem, it wouldn't make sense? Correct. It wouldn't? Well, why would you keep using fresh water in a drought stricken area when you have all this salt water right here? There must be another
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reason they don't use the salt water. Maybe there is. Crazy enough. Maybe there is, but you are speculating like a motherfucker. And if you think that that's the way to make the winning argument speculation. That's history, bro. That's all human history. What's history is that we couldn't pipe that much water everywhere throughout human history. That's what history is. And we didn't have massive cities. We didn't have massive urban areas that were that were completely covered in cars and industrial chemicals and, you know I've been waiting on that. Some of you motherfuckers need to stop doing so many dabs up there.
[02:54:34] Unknown:
Hey. You settle the fuck. Your brain is getting sticky. You just settle down. Do your own time.
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I did.
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What other topics of debate have been in your mind, Flo, that you haven't had a proper fight up against?
[02:54:56] Unknown:
Well, like like I said, lately, I've been debating mostly, or it seems that the most of the attention has gone towards, manosphere topics because I just I just learned that I'm white pill apparently.
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Well, that might be a racist term that's being used against each other. You know what?
[02:55:13] Unknown:
It might be, but Sure. Yeah. I don't I don't have one, actually. It's not that one. Black shows. Yeah. I did. Yeah.
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They might be suddenly talking shit, you cracker ass. We had we had some struggles in in arranging,
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nuanced conversation about reparations and
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from who to to whom and which direction money might flow. And It's it'd be interesting to get somebody who's for reparations to go through the actually, pretend like a thought exercise. Pretend that that it's already been passed and granted. Right? Now figure out how to distribute that money. Who gets what's the cut points? How do you decide? What about people who who are who meet who are black but came over later? Like, just the
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the distribution you need. Has to pay for it? Should it be the general taxpayers or just the family that you can trace back that owned those slaves? Because What about slaves of other races? Right? Yeah. What about the Irish slaves? 100%.
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Slave labor from, inmates. Right? Like, I mean, it's just, like, once you start unraveling that ball of that ball of wax, I guess you don't unravel wax, but you get what I'm saying. You stick it in your ear and don't listen to not have That's true. Yes. Are we ever gonna talk about
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the more than 5 minutes an hour?
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Dude, Korea had the longest unbroken chain of human slavery in recorded history. The Koreans did. I did not know that. Everyone can go look that up right now. 1400 years of uninterrupted
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human slavery. That's a long ass time. Did that continue into their pop music program? Yeah. Is it still today? Right. Is it still going on today?
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Slavers be slaving be slaving.
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I mean If we're gonna go ahead and look at any particular group of people, you would have to start there. If you were like, hey, that's really messed up that you thought you could own people, you would have to start with the Koreans and then you would go to the Barbary pirates and then you would go to the Dutch.
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I think if we wanted to be real that, like, I and again, I'm not gonna hold anyone to this because I like to have debates, but, if we wanted to be honest with ourselves about it, we wouldn't even anybody who's buying shit off Timo and Wish don't really have any validity to criticize slavery.
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Are you talking shit about Marcus?
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If the shoe fits, man. I'm just saying. Hey. No. I I say I don't buy things from I don't. Listen. But how do you know what they're advertising to you? Because they keep Indonesia. Because they keep showing of the advertisements. My 12 year old at a sweatshop.
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I I actually don't I I don't disagree with Flo at all here. I did. My thing for fucking years now has been if we want to actually get out of the culture that's been forced on us, we have to change our fucking consumption model. If we don't change our consumption models Mhmm. Then we're doomed to reacting to the culture that's been forced upon us as opposed to creating the kind of culture that we would like to live in. It's incumbent on all of us to create the culture we want to live in.
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That sounds very threatening to dollar store, Steve.
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What? That sounds very threatening to dollar store. Yes. It is. It's directly threatening to the Dollar Store. I am anti Dollar Store. I am. I don't think it should be the grocery store for people in rural communities. I don't. And it is. It is. It is.
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Frozen meal from a Dollar General.
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Dollar General.
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Dude, they took over the Midwest. They're if your town's got 12 people in it, there's a fucking dollar store at the end of town.
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Yeah. Not even in a town. It doesn't have to be in a town. It's
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intersection where traffic will be, and there'll be a Dollar General there. But it doesn't have to be that way. It doesn't. It really doesn't. It's a Dollar General with 1 human employee. Just to lock the door down.
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Balderson here is a living example of the fact that it doesn't have to fucking be that way.
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Yeah. Why? You don't go to Dollar General?
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No. I I live off grid. I built I built my home. I built my farm. I I milk my cows. I grow my food. I I make my own You don't wipe your ass?
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No. Yeah. Occasionally.
[03:00:00] Unknown:
Do we wanna tell them about the 3 seashells?
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Yeah. The 3 seashells.
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Demolition, man. I don't know what that is, and I'm fine not knowing.
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You don't know about 3 seashells? You You you've never been into a bathroom and seen 3 Goddamn Neanderthal?
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I know if I ever see 3 seashells, I think that now I know just to leave. Whatever's happening in there doesn't involve me. I'm not a part of that. I'm not supposed to be here.
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Shit. He's like, I'm gonna go find a bear trap somewhere in a hooker. The star seed girl.
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Hell yeah.
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That that homies conference, I'll be I'll be pissed if I, like, show up and I'm ready for the for the crystal bitches, and then there's, like, just nothing.
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It's oh, hell no. That dude that whole room is gonna smell like patchouli in high school pussy that's been coming all week.
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Okay. That's not a good way to sell that either.
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Like, you go to any of these festivals out here, they have a distinct scent. There's just a no doubt about it. I see. And I will not
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What? I don't know. What? That's wild.
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I think I can buy something on a team that goes in my nostrils to to help with that situation.
[03:01:23] Unknown:
You, you you don't need to use goats for fire prevention. Goats are fire prevention.
[03:01:30] Unknown:
Yeah. They they they
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their natural state of being is making it so that you have a defensible space.
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Yeah. I I every year and, there's videos on my channel about this. I walk around. I go around the whole perimeter perimeter of my farm, and I take some cutters, and I cut the dead branches. And the goats will eat about 5 feet into the underbrush, And then I go cut the dead branches out and rip them out and go burn them, and then the goats continue on. Burn. Yep. And my when I first got this place, it was so overgrown. There was a water tank about 50 feet from my house. It took us 3 months to find it.
[03:02:13] Unknown:
I can I can Wild? Personally I can personally attest to this. Earlier in the show tonight, we talked about when I had to evacuate from the Santa Cruz mountains because it was being burned out. I went to Balderson's house. It was literally, what, 2 weeks after you bought that place?
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I hadn't even I wasn't even here. I told Steve, like, because I was trying to gather my stuff to move here, and I'm like, well, I'm not there, but you can go ahead. Here's my address. I don't know I don't know what's there. I don't know. I was here. Yeah. Christy was here. Yeah.
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Yeah. And it was it it was, completely rewilded. I'd
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you know? And Probably because it had never had saltwater on it.
[03:03:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Never had the opportunity to get fucking strangled. You're right. White white man strangled. You're right.
[03:03:11] Unknown:
White white man's tears. Yeah. Yeah. What what what was that commercial with the native Americans standing on the precipice looking down at civilization and just crying and saying, you know what? Oh, the littering thing? Well, yeah. It's just that's kind of the concern that with the industrialization of suburbia, all of that stuff, all those McMansions, all of that requires such a precision level of maintenance to keep all the wires from running and all the all the gas lines to work and everything. Anything that just goes bad, 1, 2, 3, that's like maximizing the amount of uncomfortableness you're gonna live in your McMansion when your HVAC doesn't work and then your gas oven doesn't start up and then you don't have Internet. It's like you're trapped. You're trapped around concrete.
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So Yeah. We didn't watch it. We didn't have any Internet. We used to fucking Steve and Steve and I, when we go to do interviews, you have to drive about 45 minutes, and then there's different pull offs where it's like, oh, yeah. You get phone signal at this one, and we even know which pull offs they are, kept track of them. I got Starlink now, but
[03:04:28] Unknown:
one of the weirdest fucking interviews I ever did in my entire fucking career of doing this. I was on the side of Alder Point Road, near Ben's house, and it was me, Scott Horton, and William Ramsey from and William Ramsey is pretty fucking legendary. Horton's legendary in in libertarian circles and shit like that. And I'm quite fucking literally on a hillside in a windstorm with this microphone, with this one in my hand right now, trying to have a conversation with people who are I mean, hugely more important than me, who have a lot more to say. And it was did it work? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It worked great. It was a fantastic show. And then, like, 3 days later, I I was talking to a a friend of mine who, lives in or, until recently, lived in Syria.
And I'm trying to have, like, a a, you know, a super serious conversation. What's going on in Syria? It was, you know, 2020. There's serious shit going on. And Some serious shit going on. Come on. While I'm doing that, there's a fucking homeless guy wandering around in the field behind me because I'm in a meadow in Garberville in the parking lot at the store with no. No. No. Hang on. With an inverter plugged into my vehicle with an extension cord running out of it to where I could plug in my laptop to a power strip so I could also plug in my camera and my microphone. And so I'm sitting at a fucking picnic table, and there's a home bum behind me foraging.
[03:06:44] Unknown:
Hey, brother. I'm a diabetic. I need a cheeseburger. I hate you with that one. Everybody needs a cheeseburger. Everybody needs a cheeseburger. The town the town I tell you you hand them a cheeseburger, then they're fucking pissed.
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Oh, yeah. Like, I wanted money.
[03:07:02] Unknown:
Like, you don't get how the you don't get this interaction we're having here? You think I need food?
[03:07:08] Unknown:
Fuck. Look over there around the corner, bitch. There's 3 bags of groceries. I wanted money.
[03:07:16] Unknown:
Dude. To give him a cell phone with Bitcoin on it? Man, they've got
[03:07:21] Unknown:
they they've got 4 cell phones each, and they're charging them all off the light pole.
[03:07:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, uh-uh flow state drop your email in the private chat or a way to contact you II would like to invite you on my show. Let's let's talk more
[03:07:39] Unknown:
sounds good. I'm down. Here's my email. And, above there, a few comments up, I put my, 2, YouTube channels, FlowSate and Podcast. And my email is linked. If you lose my email, my email is linked on the about tabs of my channel.
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Okay. Yeah. We would like to join you on your quest against the manosphere and the the,
[03:08:02] Unknown:
ortho bros. I'm gonna need you to swear an oath of allegiance to me, but then then we're good.
[03:08:11] Unknown:
That will probably not happen.
[03:08:13] Unknown:
Okay. I just I need you to tie the 5% then. I I I need comfortable with cussing.
[03:08:19] Unknown:
I'll send you a good. I will. I'll send you a t shirt. And that's what I got. Okay. I'll accept t shirts.
[03:08:29] Unknown:
Marcus went to evangelical Christian College, and he is a Christian evangelist.
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It is true. Yes. Is it? Mhmm. Yeah. And I was gonna say, I think God spared was it Pepperdine University there? Like, the fire just stopped right before the college. Yeah. On a map in California. So there is divine providence.
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He actually has a favorite Christian band.
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A multiple Is it DC Talk?
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No. It's not. But I have a favorite Christian band too. Creed. Mine's striper, personally, but I'm old school. I
[03:09:07] Unknown:
have I ever I've never heard of striper.
[03:09:09] Unknown:
Have I ever told you, Marcus, about seeing DC talk?
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When did you see them? What what era?
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89, 1990. Is that, like, Free at Last tour? Something like that, man. Yeah. Something like You have they had they hung out with Billy Graham? He's ahead. At that point? Yes. No. But this was the we hung out with, like, Amy Grant era.
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Oh, sure. Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna lie. Jesus freak still goes hard. That song slaps.
[03:09:39] Unknown:
It's great. Yeah.
[03:09:42] Unknown:
It's great. Well, you are wearing the Nirvana band. Fucking dead. I am oh, yeah. Yeah. So you would appreciate music that references Nirvana heavily. I'm from the golden era of of new metal. Mhmm. Nobody can tell me anything other than 1998, 1999 was the best years of music ever in human history. Not true. But There's no metal produced in the late nineties. New metal. I'm talking about corn, limp biscuit, old slipknot, orgy.
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You're talking about gay stuff?
[03:10:14] Unknown:
It's not gay unless you want it to be. Or g. You're trying to tell me Fred Durst and gay. Favorite transmissions. Are you on Andy? You're gonna hold that Look. I'm not I'm not gonna stand on such on such unsolid ground.
[03:10:31] Unknown:
Look, man. I'll I'll have I'll have a a music conversation with you all all day long. So I think we're having I'm not even gonna fucking deny that there wasn't a pioneering era of a genre of music that people hadn't been exposed to in the late eighties or sorry. Late nineties, early 2000. There was. And and, yeah, people are still hooked on that shit. But let's be honest. It's the, don't waste your time on me. There's all of having a voice inside
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my head.
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Era, bro.
[03:11:16] Unknown:
When I was in when I was in college, I so I don't I can play drums kinda, but when I was in college, I decided that I wanted to learn how I taught myself 3 songs in guitar because, I figured if I can't get laid after 3 songs, then this isn't this is not gonna work out with this chick. Right? Song. And one of them was Adam's song by Blink 182.
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Okay. Okay. Dun, dun, dun. You don't need to You should've learned? You should've learned Annie.
[03:11:40] Unknown:
Annie? Yeah. Which ones? I don't remember which one that is.
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Annie. Annie.
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Amy. Amy. My bad. If if you can pull up to a campfire and pull off Amy, then you're getting laid. You are. Let me let me let me prove it to you. It's the pure prairie league. The Pure Prairie. Okay. I'm gonna look it up. The Pure I'm I'm pulling it up right now, dude. I got you. I got you. If you can pull off the intro, that's all you need. The intro in and of itself is an instant panty dropper. If you can't nail it, you ain't getting laid. But if you can, my dude, you're fucking swimming in it. You are. Let's, I'll show you right now.
Where where here we are.
[03:12:51] Unknown:
I don't know. I'm already I'm already skeptical.
[03:13:03] Unknown:
I can see why you think you belong with me. I never tried to make you think I'd let you see one thing for yourself.
[03:13:17] Unknown:
But I'm not singing with it.
[03:13:20] Unknown:
You don't know words. Well,
[03:13:23] Unknown:
that's why it's important for me to choose, songs that had distinct guitar tracks.
[03:13:29] Unknown:
Also, anything by John Denver. Amy,
[03:13:33] Unknown:
what you wanna do?
[03:13:36] Unknown:
I mean, if you if they would if there's singing involved, I could see how this would work, but, yeah. I'm not I wasn't gonna I could I could get laid without singing songs. I just thought that having a guitar, trick up the sleeve might help. Oh, it's a prop. It was a prop. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I I can I yeah? No. I got you. Yeah. Yeah. So Adam's song, I learned, like, just that one and then, Come as You Are by Nirvana. Don't know. Don't know. And then I don't remember what the third one was. I always forget the third one. But, yeah, it was things like that to where I could I can pretend like I can play the guitar long enough to get props for being able to for being a guitar player. Right? Okay. Okay. Well and then yeah.
[03:14:18] Unknown:
I you're, you know, clearly younger than than me. But Nirvana works and shit, dude. If you got pipes, can you sing the can you sing?
[03:14:35] Unknown:
No.
[03:14:37] Unknown:
No. Can you yell into a microphone with relative tonality? Because that counts too.
[03:14:47] Unknown:
I don't know. I don't know. That's unexplored territory.
[03:14:51] Unknown:
I mean, you got to admit smells like teen spirit was like the rock version of mumble wrap.
[03:15:00] Unknown:
You're just being stupid and contagious. Stop that.
[03:15:05] Unknown:
Kinda. Look. I'm I'm not even, a Nirvana fan. I I'm a Alice in chains and, Soundgarden dude. Like, as far as vocalists go, there's nobody better than Chris Carter. Know if anybody can be anti Alice in Chains, though. That's like,
[03:15:26] Unknown:
you know It'd be pretty hard.
[03:15:29] Unknown:
It's we could you gotta you gotta wake up a hater. Yeah.
[03:15:34] Unknown:
You know like you're just waking up mad at the fucking world. You know if Neil Young can make it with his voice, then I can make it with mine no matter what it sounds like. Neil Young's songs sound great as long as somebody else is singing them. I know. I love Neil Young's music, but if you Yeah. If this was your homie and you heard he's like, hey. You wanna hear my song, which is always a no, but you say yes anyways. Right. You'd be like, dude, your singing is not your thing. Yeah. You, the ACDC guy, Yeah. The guy from James Addiction. Some of you guys need to just go fuck off for a while. Play drums. I I will I will push back on the Perry Farrell
[03:16:13] Unknown:
there. Jane's addiction wouldn't sound like Jane's addiction if it wasn't for Perry Farrell. And you can't listen to the mountain song or stop or anything with without, like, Joe I always sometimes forget will speak.
[03:16:32] Unknown:
Was by and stuff and did the whole punk thing with the with the other, you know, by dudes. Not full of it. Did you have the snake bite lip rings? Yeah. I forget about that.
[03:16:43] Unknown:
Yeah. No. We what what we did is we Like, we set things with the but also dicks too. That that was just part of it. It was. Yeah. It helps the music sound better.
[03:16:56] Unknown:
Dick in, dick out. You can't be a full immersion
[03:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. In the scene and the culture.
[03:17:03] Unknown:
We couldn't all be like Ben where we we went and signed up for a service for the state.
[03:17:10] Unknown:
And then I you know what? It was not my brightest day. I was extremely hungover. I gotten very drunk the night before. I wasn't sure what I was signing. Were you still drunk?
[03:17:23] Unknown:
Did they promise a free trip to Germany? Yeah. Or so you had to do that shit too. You had to join the army. Didn't you have you were 17. Didn't you have, like, a full like, I don't know. At least a few months to where you could be like, just kidding. By the way, I'm not supposed to be here.
[03:17:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, then at the honestly, so right I signed up when I lived in South Dakota. And so they set me off to go off to boot camp when my senior year ended, but I moved to Minneapolis. In Minneapolis, it has, like, a 3 week, longer school year. And so when my time to deploy came, they're like, listen. And I told them, I'm like, well, I'm not out of high school yet. And they're like, yeah. Well, you're now. Or you can get a dishonorable discharge. And this honorable discharge is no joke on your paperwork that follows you throughout, throughout life.
And so you bet I didn't even graduate high school. I actually dishonorable district like,
[03:18:24] Unknown:
how is that impactful? I mean, I've I've I've got a felony. So I get federal help for nothing ever again.
[03:18:34] Unknown:
You are never getting help for nothing. You're a disgrace to the community. You're never getting put on a list. You're never getting in any housing. Never any of that. You basically that is the one of the worst black marks that you can get on your record that's gonna stay there as a shining star for the rest of your life. I didn't get, I I came back after, after I went through AIT. I got my GED. I never did, actually fully graduate high school.
[03:19:10] Unknown:
Well, that's good news. You could say you've got your GED or your diploma, and probably nobody's ever gonna look at it. Yeah. Nobody's ever asked. Ever one time.
[03:19:21] Unknown:
I gotta bounce. You guys can hang out as long as you want. I don't but I gotta I I gotta drop off.
[03:19:30] Unknown:
It was good talking to you. Well, I can't stream. You're gonna keep going. Are you gonna keep going, Flo?
[03:19:36] Unknown:
Not right now, but I'll be back. If you guys are still up, I'll be back, a little later tonight.
[03:19:42] Unknown:
I got, like, 2 hours
[03:19:44] Unknown:
left in me is all. Yeah. No. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm not gonna continue right now, but I I've got something scheduled for, wow. It's later than I thought it was. I'll be back in about an hour, back on with another stream, but I'll probably come over and join you when you, when you go do that. You got my email. Right? I don't, but, I don't.
[03:20:07] Unknown:
I'll figure it out. Well, after we say good night to Rockfin and YouTube, and are we streaming anywhere else?
[03:20:15] Unknown:
Yeah. We're on Bitchute and Odyssey and,
[03:20:21] Unknown:
I think that's it. I think Yeah. We're, we're from that era where we were very anti, jibbyjab and anti, the response to the things. And, you know, we were banned very early into it and shut down from YouTube, taken off. So we have very large, like, Steve's rock fans giant, but it's YouTube but our YouTube is just rebuilding.
[03:20:49] Unknown:
I haven't had a YouTube since 2019, man. Really?
[03:20:54] Unknown:
Yeah. We're try we're trying to go rebuild into YouTube because then the problem with these alternative ones is, you know, it's a limited space, and YouTube's the big pond. But you also with, having issues being demonetized and, you know, you've you've experienced all the same bullshit. You know? You know what we're going through.
[03:21:15] Unknown:
Yep. You know? Yep. Do you I've that's why I've got 2 channels. 1, FlowSafe, my main one just gets I get my monetization keeps getting fucked with. I am I am less than a month away from well, I'm, like, 2 weeks away from being eligible to reapply, but, also, my other channel, the powder dusty that I'm pushing forward, that's getting close to. I just need a few more subs, a few more watch hours.
[03:21:36] Unknown:
That's where we're at. We're trying to build the subs up on this, but we're also trying not to make the ties back to our old stuff because we're trying not to get that black mark, you know, brought here. And so we aren't really dipping like myself. I understand.
[03:21:53] Unknown:
I'm the black mark.
[03:21:55] Unknown:
I am. Uh-huh. I really I mean, your car got lit on fire in someone's driveway. We that's for sure. I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty YouTube toxic.
[03:22:04] Unknown:
Well, Steve Steve worked for the mainstream media there for a while too until he did things like try and write an article and have it produced for, what was it, the New York Times that said, Omaha
[03:22:16] Unknown:
The the nation. The nation. Yeah. Yeah. And it was titled, Hold on. Hold on. Do you I don't do I want you to say the title while I'm streaming to my, camera? You're fine. Yeah. No. It was the the article I I tried to have published that I was fired and fucking kicked out of that whole world for was, I wrote an article called Barack Obama Reagan with a tan. In
[03:22:49] Unknown:
2,007.
[03:22:50] Unknown:
And they said no more.
[03:22:52] Unknown:
This this is the fastest way to piss off everybody. Everybody hates you now. Yeah. He did that one. Who is your target market for this?
[03:23:01] Unknown:
Yeah. He did that when Obama was Jesus, you know, when everybody thought he could do it all wrong.
[03:23:07] Unknown:
I I was trying to do the world a favor.
[03:23:11] Unknown:
I was. And instead you fucked yourself.
[03:23:14] Unknown:
In hindsight, turns out I was right, and they were assholes. But, you know, it did. No. I I was effectively blacklisted for, fuck, dude, a decade or more. I couldn't get a job with any publication, and this is in the early era of being able to write on the Internet. Mhmm. You know? And I had got hired as a part of the nation's, election year blog team. It was the first time they had an Internet presence ever. And, ultimately, the guy who gave me my walking papers was Chris Hayes, who went on to have very successful shows on MSNBC and all that kind of shit. Confusing him with Chris Hanson. You're not talking about Chris Hanson. Yeah. No. Not the to catch a predator guy. The guy who looks like he should have been told to sat down by Chris Hanson for a 2 tetra predator show.
Yeah.
[03:24:20] Unknown:
Those wine coolers were for him. I'm just saying.
[03:24:24] Unknown:
Look. Bartles and James goes a long way.
[03:24:28] Unknown:
And then and then Steve, you know, might have knocked somebody else on his ass, you know, that was also a big time person. He also might had a reputation for having slept with, Jimmy Dorr's right hand man's girlfriend. That have, like, some things going around. He's had some black marks on him. Oh, man. You're looking for trouble. No, dude.
[03:24:51] Unknown:
Is better about me too. There's a great song by Todd Snyder. If you're not familiar with Todd Snyder, one of the penultimate American singer songwriters of our generation, and he's got a song where the refrain is some of this trouble just finds me.
[03:25:14] Unknown:
Sounds like a excuse.
[03:25:16] Unknown:
Some of this trouble I earned.
[03:25:18] Unknown:
You know?
[03:25:21] Unknown:
And so I'll admit that some of this trouble I earned, But some of this trouble just finds me, man.
[03:25:27] Unknown:
Some of it does. He legit didn't sleep with dude's girlfriend. I I legitimately did not. Did know any time that that chick was at a show with Steve, she was giving him the fuck me eyes like you wouldn't believe, and it looked really bad to the point where even Christy and I were watching and we'd be like it looked and they might stab Steve when the show gets over. Yeah. You know?
[03:25:50] Unknown:
So if you're getting blamed for it, you might as well just do it.
[03:25:54] Unknown:
Well, you know, fate and distance prevented that.
[03:25:58] Unknown:
When you see cheese and a mousetrap. The the living La Vida Loca, even Steve has limits for the amount of crazy he'll stick his dick in apparently.
[03:26:08] Unknown:
That's fair. Mhmm. That's fair. That's fair. Well, you know?
[03:26:14] Unknown:
Alright. Those are self imposed limitations. If you really wanna succeed in life, you need to bust through those barriers. Don't hold yourself back. Have a fantastic night. Flo, I'll be getting a hold of you. Please do come on the show. You guys hang out as long as you fucking want. I'm gonna dip. Ben or Marcus, please, hit me up on Telegram
[03:26:34] Unknown:
when you're clearing out. No. Go ahead, and you can end it, on the screen. Whatever it is you can do, and then we'll go hang out with Flo in, like, an hour. I don't know if Mark is gonna but I will, I guess.
[03:26:45] Unknown:
Alright. Good to meet you guys.
[03:26:47] Unknown:
Yeah. In that case, we'll see you next week. Love you guys. Juniper.
[03:26:52] Unknown:
Do we say see you next Tuesday deliberating dudes?
Yo, wait.
[00:00:06] Unknown:
Get down, dude. Dudes,
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9, 8, 7,
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34, 321, fight.
[00:01:04] Unknown:
Yo. And there we be. I I will get the thing off the screen in a second here. There we are. There we are.
[00:01:15] Unknown:
The streams are streaming.
[00:01:20] Unknown:
It's January
[00:01:22] Unknown:
14, 2025. A week ago, I think there was a major event in California. I had people contacting me from everywhere outside of the US asking me if I knew about the California fires, and I would show them a map to say, I'm in Minnesota. This is California. That's, like, from one end of Europe, from lower left corner of the European map to the far right corner of the map. So there's such a huge difference in in space and distance from where I am to where everybody else is. We're meeting virtually through our StreamYard account, which seems magic and very futuristic for 2025. If we all remember in Blade Runner where I think it was Southern California that was all on fire, it's kind of a theme of science fiction. And now we're here. We're living in the future. We have a special guest, Brian Tsang. Do you call yourself the solar b? You'll have to maybe introduce yourself a little further.
[00:02:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. I'm I go like Brian sang the solar b in, the ET secret space program experience or community. I'm a kind of a self appointed volunteer advocate and organizer with the full disclosure movement. I'm the executive producer of the 2024 and 2025 coming up Full Disclosure Now conferences. It's next one in July again. And, I used to live in, Los Angeles. I went to Occidental College for 5 years, got my biochemistry degree, you know, lived there for another 2 years, in, from Eagle Rock, where Occidental College is, to Pasadena. And then from there, I moved up to the Bay Area, did medical organizing and advocacy for 8 years among other things. And, you know, there's a bit more about me, but that's some of the stuff pertinent to, you know, my time in California and and LA in particular.
[00:03:13] Unknown:
Sure. And I heard that Balderson saw you talking about the Palisade fire on another stream and invited you to have a little
[00:03:21] Unknown:
debate about Not quite how it went now, but it was on Facebook because I'm an old man, and, we got into a disagreement on Facebook. And this is actually in my intro, so we'll just save that for my intro. Alright. Get away from here.
[00:03:38] Unknown:
Well, dogs are gonna be dogs. Brian, very, very glad to have you with us. And if we, you know, haven't necessarily formally introduced ourselves, I'm Steve. I will be here providing comic relief and or moral support, but also pertinent facts as they arise.
[00:03:57] Unknown:
And I'm Alan marcus.com. I have a website, just a guy in the Internet, like to produce stuff and put media together. So I'm honored to have Brian saying the solar be here with us tonight. I've I've seen your stuff. I've seen you. I've seen your streams, and I was like, I know that guy, but I couldn't remember exactly where I had first seen you because you seem to show up on a lot of different streams.
[00:04:21] Unknown:
Do you have a stream of your own? I I do. I'm, the Disclosure Now podcast where I'm just coming from, which I cohost with Arkim Rah. He is a Montauk boy, Montauk experiencer with a lot of recall, who I've done a lot of shows with now, and he's a he's been a presenter at my conferences. And then I'm also on a couple other shows like Awake Nation and Agent X11 with Penny Shepherd and David Zublich of, the were formerly with, dark outpost.com, which unfortunately is no more after, like, their website provider kinda just belly upped on them after, like, 10 years. So, you know, this is a big, deal striking, content creators in addition to censorship. It's just, you know, having your your your web servers kind of go bye bye for whatever reason.
[00:05:12] Unknown:
Right. And that kinda might be a good segue into this idea of a fire destroys things. You can ensure property. You can maybe get some monetary value back. But when artifacts are are burned up and gone, they're gone. Seeing some of the reports of, I think, a Theosophical Society maybe, and I don't have the full details, but there's some certain occult documents, historical letters and documents, and and things that may be forever gone. Not certain about that, but the idea is, you know, you've got physical goods, photographs, things. So I wanna make the, the statement known that this is very difficult for a lot of people who didn't expect to have their entire existence just gone because of a fire that you might not have expected to happen. And even if you're told to evacuate, it's not the easiest thing to do. Hurricanes are probably different from fires, but there's a lot of similarities. Now we're talking about the recovery effort and how that's gonna play out. I I know that, you've asked to have a statement ready. Boleson or Brian, who would like to go first?
[00:06:20] Unknown:
I I'm happy either way. Whatever you prefer, Benjamin. Yeah. I've got a just a short one I'll do because I I'll go first. I've just got a little short one. Obviously, everybody here knows me. So, trying to leave Brian the maximum time, for himself to do his intros and whatnot. So, hail. Welcome back to the liberating dog face dudes. I, of course, am Benjamin Balderson. And today, we'd like to welcome mister Brian Singh from this the disclosure now channel. I've also seen him referred to as Solar Bee, which we cleared that up already, but I'd already written this out. Recently, we have had the fires here in California.
And because, some are right next to the ocean, the question of using o of ocean water to put out the fire has come up. And we briefly debated this before Christie Kringle, who's in the chat, thank you, Christie, recommended we take this to the dogs. We thank Christie for the idea. I don't know why I didn't think of it. And, for Brian for accepting. I expect this to range out to other areas of the fire in response, and and do bear with us as we're both obviously even though he's in the more space alternative community, we're both alternative community speakers. So we're gonna have some overlap where we just absolutely agree, and we're just gonna try and blow past that. So we're agreeing numerous areas and may venture out to other areas like space, like Brian mentioned earlier.
With that, I'm gonna keep my intro short since everyone knows me here, and just thank everyone for coming, and I look forward to the debate.
[00:08:07] Unknown:
Awesome. Awesome. Thank you, Benjamin, for, stating your, position and and your intro. Yeah. I was I was feeling pretty heated the other day, and I I I was lashing out. So I'll admit that, I can be an angry bee, and and please do not let my own personal, proclivities or foibles, reflect negatively on on the movement as a whole because that that's far far from it. And so I I was in a reactive mood. You know? I'm I'm watching LA going up in flames, and I'm seeing these people posting on Facebook this line that we can't use saltwater or seawater to put out the fires because it's going to blight the land.
And I saw Benjamin post, something about how the Romans would salt the land to blight the land and how it's such a terrible thing. And I was just super angry because I I kind of it wasn't it's not this isn't personalized to Benjamin or to any single person because I, you know I mean, I've I've been getting in arguments with long time friends about this stuff, and I I feel very heated and and they feel very heated. But for me, it's it's not so much the specific of can we put out a fire with seawater or not while, like, 57,000,000,000, 150,000,000,000, you know, dollars worth of property and, you know, not the the people and the animals for foremost and the nature and then the property, you know, how bad that's for the environment and talk about blighting the land. And to me, it seems like there's this line that's being put out there by the powers that be. It's this kind of apologist line. It's very defeatist.
It's kinda like I mean, I know I don't look it. I'm 49, but would I lie with this hairline? You know? And in my day, I I don't remember, like, this, like, oh, we just can't figure out how to put out fire water fires with seawater, and we can't figure out how to pump seawater because that was the other thing that I'm not gonna project that on the Benjamin. But other people, if they weren't taking the, you know, we don't wanna blight the land with seawater line, they were taking the it's so hard to pump ocean water uphill a mile or 2 inland. We can't do it. No way. And I'm like, what is like, have people lost their minds? Like, what's going on? And so that that's, you know, kind of like and, you know, Benjamin and I, we were know, speaking much more amicably later on after I kinda chilled the f out. And, you know, he's saying, well, we can't exactly debate for about seawater, you know, for 2 hours, and I get that. And so, you know, I I'm more than happy to take this from, like, not just that that where is this defeatist line coming from. I'm gonna trace that all the way to the new world order with bloodline Illuminati families to negative ETs and demonic arconic beings, Jahami, also known as the Anunnaki and the Draco reptilians on the negative alien agenda or ANAA side to the more positive. I mean, they're not perfect, but they're more of the galactic federation types that we see in Star Trek and who in fact channeled information, to, that Gene Roddenberry got, by sitting in on some of these sessions, in Berkeley way back in the day. And so I know that that we'll probably be able to debate stuff like that, getting into the existence of reality, not just of the ETs, but of secret space programs and breakaway civilizations.
[00:11:33] Unknown:
Thank you. And we appreciate that. A former show that Balderson and I did was called Weaving Spiders, and we did delve into a lot of occult and hidden topics. So we're familiar with a lot of that. I see the point of convention started with this idea of saltwater, ocean water versus freshwater, and if using saltwater would blight the land as far as putting out, fires. I saw people were posting how they were using chlorinated water from their pools to preserve homes and things? Is there a difference between chlorine and salts and chemicals in the water? How does this work in terms of putting out fires, and what is the environmental cost of using water that isn't fresh or maybe desalinated?
Who has a response? Brian?
[00:12:24] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, so a couple of things.
[00:12:28] Unknown:
Number 1, you've got the guy, Marcus. He's supposed to we're also supposed to each have now our that was just the intro. I was giving him a lot a time to Yeah. Talk about stuff. We each get another 3 minutes. You're jumping the gun again, Marcus.
[00:12:42] Unknown:
I wanna get a lot. I wanna Marcus, go take a fucking lap.
[00:12:46] Unknown:
God. Smoke your push ups.
[00:12:49] Unknown:
Do I have a watch? I did.
[00:12:50] Unknown:
Alright. Response, Balderson. So my intro. Intro. Oh, this debate was sparked by the idea of using salt water to put Southern California fires out. On the face of it, this makes sense. Near unlimited water and a fire. One of the first arguments typically used against this is equipment damage. I can see that there are measures that could be taken to mitigate this and that short term emergency use would not cause that much damage. Where the problem lies is the aftermath, and this will be my position. The use of salt water will have 3 effects, each more damaging and lasting than the problem being fixed. 1, soil salinity increase.
2, water table pH and electro conductivity alteration. And 3, unlocking latent chemicals and minerals. 1, so plants absorb water through osmosis. A process where water moves from a place with low salt concentration to high concentration. When the outside water contains more salt, the plant re reverses its polarity and moves its internal water into the to the outside, thus killing it. 2, when saltwater enters a freshwater table, this is called saltwater intrusion, which changes the pH and electro conductivity of the water table. In this, the saltwater is heavier and will push to the bottom where it can sit building up and making it very hard to flush back out.
And 3, that is not the right page. There there are many minerals and chemicals which lay dormant in the soil, not including what was created and released in the fire. The unique mix of salts in seawater is capable of releasing these making them mobile. In a very dilute form, newer farming methods have used this feature with plants showing heavier vitamin and sugar loads in the plants. In a very dilute form, minerals the plant would not have received, it now does. In a macro uncontrolled form such as putting out coastal wildfires, the release of extra unknown minerals and latent toxins could wipe out all plant and animal life from from the biome for the foreseeable future.
The saying, salt the field, like most sayings, has wisdom in it that needs rooted out. In ancient times, when you truly wanted an enemy or truly hated an enemy and wished them not just harm today, but you would like to see their cat's ass right in front of you, when you would like to see them come on. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Rude, get away from the keyboard. Sorry. Yeah. Just put that in the next remix of yelling at animals that they make about us. It it so not just to not just harm today, but generational harm so those people could never rise up again. You salted their lands. In today's world where we have given up our understandings of how this place works, I would say the shining epitome of that is watering is watching people cry out to salt their own land.
[00:16:31] Unknown:
Oh, and just real real quick. Let me go ahead and do this. Spookums. Damn it, spookums.
[00:16:36] Unknown:
Damn it, spookums.
[00:16:38] Unknown:
Alright. Here we go.
[00:16:42] Unknown:
That's our remix of yelling at animals.
[00:16:45] Unknown:
I I I hear that. I could see why. You've the the cat is, like, is very aware of of being on the air. Yeah. And so, you know, for me, it's really this is, for me, a an example of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, this type of thinking. For 1, you know, if it was my house on fire or my horse is on fire I I you know, I've seen video of horses literally running out of the fire with their people. You know, you know, I would challenge anyone. Could you imagine standing there and saying, well, we could put you out, but it's saltwater, and we don't wanna blight the land. So sorry. Y'all gonna have to burn. Right? And that's where I was feeling the most heated. You know, I I and then when it comes to blighting the land in salinity, you know, someone else other people on the on Internet land have been commenting about the the amount of dioxins and PCVs that are getting burnt up in houses and cars and batteries and and stuff and aluminum into the ground. I mean, like, people, you know, worry about saltwater.
You know? And then that's even in itself, it's not a misnomer, but, you know, they they're already got firefighter planes and helicopters that go to the ocean. They scoop up the water. In fact, 3 came down from, like, Canada. One's grounded because it ran into a civilian drone that was trying to get good footage. So now you got the 2, but there literally have footage of them scooping up. Fucking grounded all of the flights that day. What an asshole. Yeah. Seriously. And and it's you know, and and they're so they're already group, picking up seawater. And then, you know, someone's linking me to this guy. He's like a seasoned firefighter including marine fires. You've got these pump water boats. Right, that pump seawater.
You know, they can pump, what do you call it, like, 200, yards or 200 feet of, you know, added, like, 20 different nozzles at once. And and, you know, there's ways to pump water uphill, maybe find Philip Dumpsters of water and then pump them using they're called relay stations and pump them further up the way. You know? And and the reality is that, Karen Bass, the mayor, cut 17 and a half million from the fire department previously that year. A lot of equipment, including from the LA and California areas, have been sent to Ukraine, and Ukraine reports that they're fully equipped, you know, while our our firefighters, they had their water cut off, and, the the nearby reservoir was emptied, you know, prior to all of this. And it's like, why would you empty a a a reservoir when you got actually, you know, LA with water and, like, oh, nope. Just spill it back in the ocean.
And so, you know, for me, I I see, levels of what I call idiocracy. That's more the civilian level, but then there's levels of incompetence that's that's absolutely, you know, a creation of everything that the downfall of human society. You know, we're kind of at a low point before we come back up to our golden age here, which is what the disclosure movement's, you know, working on and it's about or it's part of. And, and then there's much more planned. This is intentional. You know? You've got arsonists being paid. They're being imported from other countries, perhaps. We might have directed energy weapons.
You've got, a lot of these politicians also happen to be woke politicians where they value, diversity, equity or equality and inclusion more than a meritocracy of can you get the job done. And so I see all these as larger symptoms that all land to go that all this goes together. You know, as an analog land, the land's toxic AF right now. Yeah. It's kinda like saltwater. Like, I'm not worried about saltwater. I'm I'm worried about, number 1, saving people, animals, nature, property, and then think about it like this. For while the Palisades fire is right there on the oceanfront, you know, let's say, okay, you have the choice to put out. Let's say we we have the choice, we have the equipment, we can do it or we can't. And, for not putting out the Palisades fire, now it spreads to Pasadena.
Now Pasadena burns. And so, you know, this is really you know, that's kind of everywhere I'm coming from as far as, like, saltwater on the fire goes and and getting more into it.
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So I I'm I'm willing to rock with you, Ryan, on all of this. I am. Yeah. I think that there are multiple different avenues that you can approach problems like this even when it's fire. I think there's multiple different ways that, you know, we we as human beings have discovered over the course of time or how to temper this shit, help it calm down. I'm hearing that I'm hearing a lot as far as statements go, and I'm very curious as to what kind of evidence that you have in your pocket to provide to back that up, because we do have a couple thousand, several 1000 years of human history that shows what happens when you dump saltwater on a fire and when you dump salt on the ground.
So it would, it would help my evolution overall to see where the previous 10 or 20000 years of human history was wrong. And now the this particular idea is right. As far as the Palisades fire and the Pasadena fire are concerned, and you said you lived down in L. A. For a while, you would school there or something like that. You know how much of a distance there is between Malibu and Pasadena or Altadena. And they're passing all the way down to 10 Freeway. Yeah. Yeah. There's an entirety of Los Angeles City in between that. Los Angeles City isn't burning.
Malibu burnt. Pasadena to the east burnt. So these are not the same fires. And to treat them as such is erroneous bordering on disingenuous.
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Well well, I mean, in terms of that, I'm not sure if it's exactly for the Palisades fire to the Pasadena fire that one spread to the other. However, having said that, there are reports of the embers because there's, like, 7 fires now in the region. I believe it's a I believe it's a combination of arson, smart meters, directed energy weapons, and then the stuff that's already on fire, some of it is catching and spreading
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elsewhere. So it's a combination of all of that. Necessarily disagree with you. I I really don't, man. They've arrested several arsonists. They're we've had I'm my dude, I had to evacuate my house in 2020 because of a wildfire in the city. And I went to Ben's house when I did that because it was the furthest point away from danger that I knew that I could take my family and be safe, you know, while that was going down. Granted, the day after we got there, a couple of wildfires popped up a half a county over.
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And we got evacuated. We got evacuated.
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But but, you know, but we're and and I'm I'm shows you got each other's back. But you were saying earlier, you know, 1000 of years or mill or 100 of 1000 years or whatever human evolution, we don't put out fires with the ocean. I mean, where like, are there texts like that from Herodotus or something? Like, where where is that? Because, I mean, I see them dumping using, like, chemical stuff to, like, put out fire retardants to put this stuff out. Yeah. You know, I mean, what's worse? Fire retardant? Like, that pink stuff or that white chalky stuff? Or Well, you'll notice that they're way less alkaline
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in their composition.
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Ben, you you probably have a a better grasp of that than I do. I'm and that yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, a lot of this is coastal property here. It's coastal property, like, the Palisades in Malibu. You know? Like, I don't think salinity is is a problem, like, getting the seawater onto that compared to, like, houses melting down and, you know, the cars turning into, like, you know, molten aluminum with the the lithium and crap, like, all running down and burning all over the hillsides. Like, I I think there's no comparison to me. Like, there's no there's such a non comparison that I I don't even know how anyone else could consider it. That's why I'm having this debate here today.
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Well, yeah, I and I get that. And and as far as that goes, I agree with you, Brian. I do. I I I 100% believe that this is a part of a larger agenda, a larger program. The plans have been laid for decades, if not a century or more for for this kind of exact thing. And we're seeing again, like we did 5 years ago, that where everything is being burned out currently is also a part of the proposed path for high speed rail in the state of California. This is something and again, you know, I lived through it in Santa Cruz County. I had friends in Paradise who lost everything on the opposite side of the state.
All of that was directly in line with the Dianne Feinstein's husband's construction company proposed path for high speed rail. So we had a sitting elderly senator who, stood the benefit substantially from
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rampant walking I agree with you. She could live in, but I haven't seen her stand in years, Steve. It's been a minute, and they actually did decommission her last year.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, as soon as Queen Elizabeth as soon as they told us that Queen Elizabeth was actually dead instead of 15 years ago when she really died, like, they were like, okay. Well, we can go ahead and talk about Stein now and this and that and the other. That that's not even the point. The the the point is there has been, hundreds of thousands of acres in California that has a burn scar now that directly matches the proposed path for high speed rail. So I don't discount that portion of it, Brian. The I think the the point of contention really is, what happens when you drench salt on the soil.
And I think that maybe the the crux of what we're trying to get at here. Well, we compared we we we compared compared to the alternative
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of melted houses, cars, people,
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animals. Well, the alternative would be fresh water. The the alternative isn't ocean water or burn.
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The alternative and you laid it out yourself. I mean, because that's the reality. It didn't have fresh water. At at the point where the at the point where the reservoir is empty, there's no rain. You got no fresh water. Yeah. They could do weather warfare to make it rain, which would be nice, but they don't. Then you either got saltwater from the ocean or it's gonna burn. And that was my whole argument is, like, why would you say, let's not use salt water and let it burn. Like, use the salt water and, like, deal with the consequences later, but, like, jeez. Like, let it burn. That's like Nero fiddling in Rome.
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Well, how many years do we need to remove people from the land before they're allowed to return to it? Like, in your in your mind while you're laying this out, what do you think an appropriate amount of time is to clear people out in order for the the ground to heal itself from being salted? Because, traditionally, it takes 7 to 15 years.
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Wait. But why why do you have to clear out the land? Like, people wanna come back and rebuild their houses. They don't wanna grow alfalfa fields. Like, they're not gonna pick cotton. But they would like to be able to grow vegetables. They wanna build a $10,000,000 mega mansion or something. They're not. And and in part of that, they'll they'll fix up the land, and they'll help remediate the land because it's their own property. It's in their best interest to do that. But I'm sure no homeowner, you know, is saying, oh, gee. You know, I'm so glad they didn't put out my house fire with saltwater, and now I'm coming back to my the melted ruins of my home and scraping all this crap out of the land, and that's toxic. Thank god they didn't use saltwater. Like, I just don't see anyone saying that. Like, feel free to take a point.
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So I don't disagree with what you're saying right now. A 100%. No homeowner saying that. People are very shortsighted, unfortunately. And I don't disagree that there is mass shenanigans that, you know, the the arsonist, that's just a thing in California. Whether it's, a number of years ago, it was the lady that was the one who was basically doing the gut truck out to the firemen and her entire exist you know, livelihood based on was based on serving these firemen. So when there was no fires and she started going broke, she went around and started getting herself some work lit up, or just jackasses like the one a couple years ago was a guy that pushed his lit his car on fire and pushed it off a cliff, and now the rest of us suffer.
A 100% that shenanigans, 100% agree with, I we live my wife and I lived through the car fire up in Redding. We saw the due, evidence and whatnot. I'm not gonna argue with you on that, and I'm certainly not gonna argue with the political shenanigans that made it so they, were incapable of doing what they should have been able to do. Not gonna disagree with you and and for one second. Now where my giant concern is is you understand that some of these things that are laying on the ground are not bioavailable. And this is where my point number 3 in my opening statement came in. That this because of the unique mix of salt water that comes from the ocean, this opens these normally closed and unavailable chemicals and minerals up.
And so now an area that would not have been, poisoned and could have flushed this dormant chemical away. Now that chemical is now open, active, and affecting everything inside of the biome. And when we're talking about that, we're not talking about, oh, their lawn's gonna be brown. These people are living on dead land and the water table is going to be dead. The the and to the problem is saltwater is much heavier than freshwater. And it will put and it pushes down to the bottom of that water table, and will continue to poison that until it gets completely flushed out. And we're talking about a desert here. So the amount of water that goes through to do this flushing is very little. You can imagine and I and I can agree that in this one instance, okay, let's use salt water once. But if we started doing this in a a a progressive because, oh, hey. It worked. And, oh, hey. Look.
You know, we we can both agree that the shenanigans are not gonna stop. They are not gonna suddenly become competent at their jobs, that they are gonna continue to degrade the the the infrastructure, the the you know, continue to take away money from the the fire department, from any emergency service that they're gonna do all those things. I I believe we see eye to eye on that a 100%, I think. So as this continues, do they continue using that same answer that was maybe fine in a one time shot temporary fix? Can you imagine dumping salt water on a in the land and destroying the water table where 70% of this country's produce is grown.
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Okay. So for me, all that's, like, not really facts and evidence. I mean, you get places that get hit by tsunamis. You know, forget, like, taking, like, spraying, hosing water. Like, these places are inundated with water. Japan happens all the time. They get inundated with saltwater, and there's no studies on how like, they they're growing soybeans, like, the next year on that land. It doesn't I don't see that as being a reality. Like, I I understand the the the, the the thought process behind it, but I don't see that as a fact and evidence. I don't see Indonesia, which had, like, 280,000 people wiped out in that one horrible tidal wave, like, 2,007 or whatever it was.
You know, it's not like that land's all blighted. Like I said, San Japan gets all blighted. California gets hit by tidal waves from time to time all along that coastal area, and it's not like it was blighted for a 1000 years. So I don't see dead land anywhere. In terms of, like, the slippery slope arguing of, like, oh, no. They might start using ocean water everywhere. Like, they already do. They've got these pump boats that can fight fires, whether it's a a ship on the water or there are ships along the harbor, and they're they're they're firefighting. I mean, I know Chicago's got boats like that. I can pull up on YouTube plenty of boats like that, and I remember, you know, posting links to that already.
So, you know, I I I get the argument of, like, water table and salinity, but I just don't see where that's a reality anywhere. To me, it, like, it sounds like a convenient excuse for for the other side. They think well meaning people believe it, but I don't historically, I don't see that. You know, Steve was saying, you know, for 1000 of years, humanity has, like, you know, evolved, not putting out fires with saltwater. It's like, really? Like like, did Ptolemy write about that? Like, I don't remember that. I don't think anyone cares. I think they'd rather put their port fire out and then worry about the salinity of the water table. Like, I don't think the ancient Greeks or Romans cared.
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Well, here's the here's the the problem with that, Brian, and it's that you don't have a stable of evidence to where you can prove your claim, but we have Wait. I I do. The entirety of human history. No. I just hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Just just let me let me let me finish. All the time, and they're not Baron. You're acting as a fact. Ryan Ryan. Baron when he gets seawater on it. And I'm gonna say, you know, as a moderator, you can say maybe, but you're definitively
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saying that, and that ain't true. Marcus Marcus, the guy on the bottom right is the moderator. Steve's not the moderator. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. We've we've found our we've found our roles in position. So right. I'm off. I'm off the Yeah.
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And then also just for clarification, the the official story, and this was before the fires. Whether you wanna believe it or not, I mean, I'm I again, I agree with Brian on shenanigans Yeah. That that there was a crack. So in California, they had that brilliant idea that we save water by putting covers over top of the reservoirs. The reservoir cracked, and they had to replace that and blah blah. That's the official I'm just saying the official story and why it was empty ahead of time. I'm not saying that that's my story,
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you know, but that is the official story. Well, I think we could put this to rest pretty quickly with with, asking Brian a simple question here. Why are desalination plants necessary for living things, for organic matter? Why why are they?
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I mean, that that's if you're gonna drink the water, sure. But if you're gonna Well, if you're going to okay. So
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do plants drink water? Do So do they? I
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mean, that's a pretty straightforward question. I mean, you're you're trying to get you're trying to get me with logic, but I already pointed out that you've got places that get literally tsunami ed. Like, you I can show you the video. I understand. And they're growing and they're growing lying areas. They're growing stuff on that. There's and that stuff isn't barren. There's low lying areas which get washed with always 1,000 or millions or billions of tons of saltwater, and the land is not fallow. It's not barren. Again,
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why are then why are desalination
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plants necessary? For drinking water.
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So what happens when you consume salted water?
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Right. As
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But when Okay. When you're when you're on fire, no one's like, here, drink this bottle of seawater.
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I understand
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that, dude. I understand that. It sounds like if you were hold on. Hold on. Desalinated for out in the ocean for a week for a week and you started being dehydrated, would you then drink salt water? Well, yeah, of course. I get that. I mean, I I I and I get that. When you're when you're drinking drink the salt water. Right? We're not talking about desalinating
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water to drink it. We're talking about, like, putting out fires. We didn't Well, on this one, I'm trying to make a metaphor. Talking about drinking water, it's all even. Ben yeah. Ben, chill. Let him let let him make his point. Let him make his point. This is the first time we're talking about drinking water. I I was here for putting out fires with seawater versus letting it burn and getting crap into the ground or using toxic chemicals. Now you're talking about drinking water. So this is a different thing, and I'm not arguing about desalinating drinking water. Sure. You desalinate drinking water, but you put fires out with desalinated water. No. Who cares? Okay. Well, you you have to consider
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that there are going to be downstream effects from that process. Yes?
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Sure. But to me, the downstream effect of getting saltwater on the land to put out fires and save people, animals, nature, and property versus the the harmful effects of affecting the salinity and moving the pH, you know, 0.5, in one direction or another for a patch of ground in a square mile. Do I care? No.
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Honestly, I don't. And I don't think I'll be able to get a little bit of stuff for elections. The but but we've we've now we've now put this down to Brian doesn't care as opposed to this is what's good for
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the community. Let's put it to a poll right now in our audience, everybody. Let the Vox populi, let the people speak. If you were living in LA, had a a mansion or your family home in Pacific Palisades, and it was, yay, put out the fire to save your home with the ocean water right there and risk messing up salinity and all that. Or no, for the sake of not jeopardizing the salinity and because we don't have fresh water available or other stuff, we're not gonna put out your house. Is it a are you for keeping saving your house with, oh my gosh, saltwater,
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or, oh, no. We can't do that this evening. Trying to come back? No. I'm Are you trying to return oh, wait. Hang on real quick. Are you trying to return to that spot? And are you trying to Either way. Either way. Well, if hey. No. No. Just yeah. Hang on. Hang on. Let me finish the the thought, and then you can rebut. And I'll shut the fuck up and let you have as much time as you want. Okay? So are you as the property owner, trying to return to that and have a a life that allows you to grow, live, and prosper, or are you just simply trying to save a structure and you only care about the structure?
You don't care about anything else around it. You don't care what's in the ground. You don't care how the the people in your community are gonna be effect. The your sole intent is I want to save 4 walls and a roof. What what are we what are we going for here?
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I would say either way, the person homeowner wouldn't matter. They don't care. And and I think it's it's to say that, you know, there there's, again, there's an assumption that that that seems implicit in your line of questioning, Steve, which I'm you know, in that if they were to use saltwater to save your house, then somehow your land is rendered sterile, and you'll never be able to grow roses or grass on there again. And I would argue that not only the people not care what water you use, fresh or salt, just put the damn thing out whether or not they're gonna stay and grow daisies or or sell it off and, you know, make you know, for the the value. They don't care, and it it doesn't matter.
Because, again, there are places that have had tsunamis, like, literally are awash and are underwater. They're under the ocean water. Like, you can't get more inundated than that. And they're not rendered barren and sterile. So I don't even accept the the preposition that like, well, you know, if they put it out with saltwater, then it's like the land is screwed. Like, it's gonna be barren. Like, I don't even accept that as reality. I think you're making that assumption. I I understand. Well, I understand what you're saying, and I understand where you're coming from. But I also think that it's kind of a disingenuous
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argument because we're not making a a distinction about what is able to grow there.
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Now That there I was just getting ready to go. I was gonna say, every place you've named, there's specific plant life that's capable of uptaking in that situation and that life and this is actually and I can and if you want me to post the link into the side chat, there's an agricultural, which has nothing to do with big government. This is just agriculture, where this is a growing problem because it's actually overtaking those regions. We're now only brackish swampy grasses are able to go and grow into that. It's up close. And only, I don't know if you 2 know each other. Brian Sang, this is our guest, Flo.
His his channel's Flow State or the Powder Dusty. He's another debater, so he's just, and I think he was mostly on your side, actually. But, the that and so the other thing is all the areas you listed where that's happening and it's surviving it were all tropical. They're all taking in massive amounts of moisture, and so the groundwater is able to get flushed out in the water table we need. LA is the desert.
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Japan's not tropical, and LA is is desert coastal. And so just like Japan and and Indonesia, which is more tropical, but Japan is not really, you know, they get it awash. So does California.
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California's been but it was tsunamis
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before in the past. The land has isn't barren, and so I just don't accept that premise because I don't see it in reality. Like like, yeah, Japan's different from California, but California's been hit by tsunamis and, you know, gotten the land drenched with ocean water too, and it's not like a 1000 years. It's the Salton Sea. You know, people were using the Salton Sea as an example. I'm like, Salton Sea is, like, you know, inland way up high, like, with, like, salt deposits. You know, and you're comparing, like, the salt and sea to, like, you know, putting out, the Pacific Palisades fire with Do you have
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a do you have a a breakdown of where Japan's agricultural production centers are because I would almost almost guarantee you that they're more inland than coastal The exact same way that California's agricultural hub is all Central Valley. You said you lived here. Right? So we both know that California's agricultural center is the quote, unquote, inland empire as far as that goes. It is there is predominantly more agriculture produced away from the coast and into the middle of the state than there is. My screen?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me share your screen while let me share my screen while you're talking because right here I had, like, a map of it shows croplands near Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. Cropland, green. You see the coast of Japan? It's all along the coast. You got rice fields. They get flooded all the time. They've got that's why you got the artwork of tsunamis going back to ancient feudal Japan. So And it's not like they don't, like, grow rice on Japan along the coast line. It's not like a 1000 years of of, of being bladed because they got swamped in ocean land. I mean, I don't see that. We're talking about one specific
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grain that needs to be flooded in order to grow. We're not talking about tomato. Saltwater, though. You know? And but no. It's not. Not in Japan. No. It's not. It's desalinated before it gets there. You can go ahead and look at that. Get hit with tsunamis,
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and the tsunamis aren't desalinated,
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and the water is not right. Their crops. Rice specifically
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roads and and saline and saline heavy water. Okay. So then what we're saying is I've got a map that's double that shows double croppings where they've got rice along with wheat and barley, things like that. And they're all coastal as well. It's all coastal. So you All the all the red the red section is a double crop. Substance that has to be
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grown in Wait. Mhmm. Water.
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Steve, earlier you said you'd hazard to think, given your line of thinking, would be inland. And then here's all this cropland, all these coastlines It's not cropland. It's a specific
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grain that has to be Look at this.
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This is double cropped. It's Show me tomatoes in Japan. Show me avocados in Japan. How much bring that to Gold Coast. Hold
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on. Can I just clarify what Right? What what double double cropping means? Does that mean they're growing rice and then wheat after or in rotation? Where where did Flo go?
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Hit the button. Let's let's look at another map. Let's let's focus again on on California. California
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being next to Topanga Canyon. Can you clarify what they mean by double cropping from that? Are they rotationally, putting out rice and then wheat and then rice in the same field? Is that what's going on?
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Mhmm. Yeah.
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Crop rotations. Thank you for clearing that up. The question I have is looking at the Palisade map and seeing their Palisades fire damage map behind I see the ocean and then behind that I see a lot of state park land. I see Topanga State Park, Tuniu Canyon Park. Was the environmental concern specifically having to do with the fact that it's next to, preserve nature preserves? Did that ever come up in any arguments as far as a chain of command to declare that they would allow the use of ocean water to put out fire?
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In the issue of LA, as far as I know, it's not a chain of command that's, like, delegating where people are like, hey, fire chief of LA, can we or can we not? It's more a matter of they were willfully unprepared for the fire. They don't know what they're doing. They literally have video of the firefighters using purses to run from the fire truck to a fire to put it out because they don't have fire hoses. And it it's ridiculous.
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And Well, I mean, who expects a fire of that magnitude in January? I mean, I live in California also, and and and November is when we get that sigh of relief. Like, fire season's over. Oh, hang on. Yeah. You know? So come January, that's when I will admit that's when they would be doing their maintenance. Everybody's not prepared because
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shit's not supposed to burn like this in January. It's not supposed to work this way. This isn't this wasn't but this wasn't an issue of, hey. It's January. We're out of fire season. We can lay off on maintenance. It was we can give 17 and a cut 17 and a half $1,000,000 from our fire department. We can send equipment to Ukraine. Okay? We can Not arguing this. Not arguing this. Piss off all of our firefighters. You know, if only it was at the point where people were, like, on the radio. Hey, chief. Can we use ocean water or not? It's more like, hey, chief. Can we have water, please? No?
Okay. Well, we're gonna go try to fight the water with their purses and and bare hands right now. Bye.
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Yeah. That I'm not disagreeing with that at all that had they not cut not just you know? And and and it's only 2% of their budget, but they also cut a bunch of other funds on the infrastructure side of that also. And so had they not done that, had they been prepared, this wouldn't even be a debate. The the the whether we should be using this, that the infrastructure to deal with that in a proper way should have been in place.
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Flat. And I and I and I would hazard to say that if that proper infrastructure had in place, guess what? They'd be using a lot more ocean water, which they're already using, like I pointed out, with the Canadian Seaplanes and with helicopters, and they'd be using a heck of a lot more, and no one would be talking about salinity. The only reason why they're doing that, in my opinion, is because they look really bad, criminally bad, and any excuse is a good excuse, and that's one of them. The other one that they've thrown in was, like, you know, corrosion of equipment that I've heard thrown around. You know? And, like, the one guy I was debating online on Facebook, I was like, you know, he's like, you know, we don't you know, that that corrodes equipment so badly. I'm like, dude's never heard of jet skis. Yeah.
You know? It's like, we have this consumer
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technology here. It's not in China. It's in the United States. No. I I don't disagree that there's there's there's measures that can be taken to mitigate that. 100%. But you notice that when you said the planes that are dropping ocean water, you said Canadian. Because our plains don't do that. Our plains go over to the reservoirs and grab fresh water and do it. They don't commit with ocean water. That that's not true. They they only that's when they're fighting
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forest fires inland, and they're going to lakes and reservoirs. But if they're fighting a fire near the ocean, American firefighter planes, just like the Canadians, are perfectly capable of using seawater. They do it all the time. I could find videos of it, so that's that's not true. They do use seawater.
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I showed up a little late.
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Real quick. Real quick. The, the example that you gave earlier, Brian, was that there were 3 Canadian planes that grabbed ocean water. There are currently dozens, if not over a 100, approaching 200 other planes that are not doing that. So you've highlighted an outlier as opposed to standard protocol. Again, if you if okay. If one of every I don't know. Let's pick an arbitrary number and say 50 planes. If one of every 50 planes grabs a bucket full of saltwater in conjunction with the 49 other planes that are dropping freshwater, that would largely mitigate the effects of salting that particular area.
Because that's how disbursement and the place displacement works. You can shake your head all you want. But if I have 49 planes that are dumping freshwater, and one plane that is dumping saltwater, which of the 2 is going to be the majority of the water that's being dumped on the ground?
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Who cares?
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Okay. Hang on. Why is that? For me for me Because for me No. How about how about answer
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how about answer the question first and then dismiss it? I'm I'm trying be I'm trying to. I'm I'm using your example. Do I care if there's specific if LA is on fire? This isn't about FEMA. It's about science. I'm trying to answer your question. I'm trying to answer your question. To me, there's no difference in using 50 planes using fresh water if it was available or 50 planes using salt water if that's all you have available. To me, there's zero difference. You're not gonna notice any single difference. That's what I've been arguing this whole time. The only difference you're gonna know the main difference you're gonna notice is is whether is you're gonna put out the fire or you're not. Seawater, saltwater, I mean, freshwater, it don't matter. So you're asking, do I care about do for me, does it make a difference if I use one plane out of 50 with seawater and the other 49 with? No, I don't I you could use fill all 50 with 1 or the other as long as you put out the damn fire. At the point that they don't have fresh water available, well, guess it's seawater. Okay. Are we gonna use the planes on using seawater or not? I say yes, and I don't care about salinity or later on knock on effects on the environment. I don't even think they exist because I've already talked about tsunamis washing over the land. You know? I'll pull up videos, and it's not like they can't you know? And you guys said, well, it's it's rice. Well, no. It's rice and it's wheat and it's oat and it's barley, you know, maybe apples.
So that's not even true. It's like these are facts not in evidence. So you're saying things as if they're this is the way it is. I'm like, it ain't the way it is, and so I don't accept that they're probably it is because there's only certain crops that will grow with that kind of alkalinity.
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Ben?
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I mean, I just showed the the map that demonstrates that in Japan, you've got and I put it backstage again if anyone wants a closer look at it. But won't not possible let me let me pose this before we we go back to it. Is it not possible
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that the the Japanese figured out what they can grow that's heavily alkaline towards the coast and what they can grow that's not are are we are are we dismissing the acumen of the the Japanese people here?
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You're saying they have different
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they have different wheat and barley crops than we do? Steve saying. But I'm gonna let Flo go and say what you were gonna say before, Flo, because you you haven't been able to talk. But I'm gonna add on to what Steve was saying here in just a minute.
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We'll give Flo the floor.
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I was gonna say I I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that that Japan has different strains of wheat than we do or different production methods just as I don't think it's valid to assume that saltwater, which hold hosts most of life on earth, and that we, like, we swim in all the time, that that's more toxic than all the industrial chemicals that would be burned and melted into the ground in the atmosphere, by letting it burn.
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So that that that on its face of it is just wrong. One of the first very first GMO crops ever the very first GMO crop, we all think of wheat and things like that. But the first GMO crop that they invented was a rice that could that would have proteins and carry the proper minerals because these people in these areas you guys are talking about, the the food that they're able to grow is so deplete in nutrition because of the land that they grow it in. They GMO'd up a special rice just for those areas to try and improve those people's health. That was the first
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crop ever. That demonstrates nothing. There's nothing to do with it. Not demonstrate that they didn't
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make a special unique crop just to grow
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in those areas. Because the claim was they can't grow they can't grow anything except for rice over here, and then I that was rebutted by the map I just put. Hold on. And now you're saying rice is the first GMO crop, but that doesn't have anything to do with the crops that are growing there now. If you think that if you think that those are are, different crops, I know they are. Then demonstrate that. Then demonstrate that. Don't
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That they that they specifically gave the rice growing there. I'm not I'm not talking about rice. I'm talking about wheat and barley. That that there's there's there's 2 crops there. Rice and wheat is the only things that they can really grow there. Wheat is also somewhat saline resistant. Although in a saline environment, it will it will stunt its growth
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and stunt its mineral load. There happened to be over 20 different kinds of wheat that that you can grow. It's not a monolithic crop. Yeah. I got that. I get that. Why is it a monolithic crop? There are no monolithic crop. Crops will vary depending on where they're grown, what the type of soil is, what type of weather is, all that's this is universally true
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throughout the plant kingdom. So But you can take garlic from Japan and raise it in America. It's not like it'd be like, oh, you know, it just dies. If you have the right And you can't we're talking about putting out a fire anyways. We're not talking about growing crops.
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No. This is kinda off topic, but I'm I'm just for the point of the conversation. It's not like these things exist as a monolith. There are multiple varietals, multiple strains. Some of them well more adapted to growing. You couldn't take wheat that Nobody's debating that. You couldn't take wheat that grows in Kansas and plant it in coastal Japan and expect it to do Do you know that or do you speculate? Exact same way that I know for a fucking fact that you can't take tomatoes that grow well in Indiana and plant them in California
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because Can you can you grow tomatoes in paint? What does that have to do with building 7? Because that's what what's cut all the houses are coated in inside and outside. It's gonna be burning and melting into the environment around it. The alternative to salt water isn't nothing at all. It's chemicals.
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Nobody's saying that. And there's gonna be a point in the conversation where we transition from salt water, fresh water to the kind of mismanagement that has taken place in the state of California and the kind of preventative message measures that were completely ignored or governmentally mandated so that we would all suffer the consequences of this. And I am 100% in agreement with you, with Brian, with Ben, with market, all of that. I'm on board with that. I I'm the in my mind, this is the state doing what the state does, which is punish, push you out, and make it so that you're a burnt out homesteader as opposed to somebody who's just trying to live their life.
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It's relevant in the way that what the argument here is is we're talking about dumping salt water into a fresh water table. That truncates down what crops you can grow and makes it so the land then gets blighted. We're not disagreeing that there's coastal areas that have certain things that will grow in those coastal areas. We're disagreeing of taking salt water into inland into an area that wouldn't normally be exposed to salt water. And now adding that to the fresh water table in which salt water you weren't here for the opener flow, so a 100 100% understandable. Salt water is heavier than fresh water, so it naturally sinks down to the bottom of said water table, which is gonna change which changes the salinity, changes the pH, and plant life tip normal plant life where the problem with salt water is is because plants uptake water through osmosis.
So there needs to be more salt inside the plant than outside of the plant in order for it to pass through the membrane. When you start adding salt to the outside, it will actually reverse its polarity and dump the water out of the plant, and the plant will just get off my keyboard. Dump the water right out of the plant. So the ability to grow all these plants that naturally would grow in that area is now dead because you've now changed the entire biome.
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Sure. So then I'd like to ask kind of a general question. Are we in agreement that this crisis management was a managed crisis? We think that it was maybe a a perfect storm of factors that contributed to the massive failure of a natural wildfire and everything that can go wrong went wrong, and there was maybe, planned negligence or people who were in charge of certain operations leaving the country not being present for the crisis. And then the concerns of having the the downstream effects from using certain fire management techniques and how would they affect the the the biome and future forward.
You know, there's other plans in line. And another thing I wanted to mention and maybe bring up is the idea of this, the the water war situation. And maybe maybe the hubris of humans to build real estate on this oceanfront property, and people are bringing up the prices of the homes and things to say, maybe that was a very impractical thing to do, and this is just nature answering that to return to an equilibrium.
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Brian? No. No. Properly managed, I think, would be fine. California, we've been there with coastal cities for many years, and it's not a problem until we get to this wokeness and agenda 2030 stuff. Other people have mentioned it all lining up on the map. There's no excuse for plan this planned incompetence. If this had been 20 years ago and this sort of fire, may may not yeah. I'd say 20 years ago. We've got pump boats since going back that long. You know, they and and they didn't have, fresh water available. I have no doubt in my mind that they would figure out how to use ocean water to put out the fires, and it wouldn't blight the land. It would be effective at putting out the fires.
And a year later, no one would could tell any difference just like how you have other places. This is Coastal California. It's not like, oh, the coastline of California never gets seawater on it. That's who said that? Like, that's not true.
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Okay. So we have, however many thousands of years of of human history to draw from for this, though. The can you because you're making the claim that saltwater is as or equally beneficial as freshwater. Can you point to specific examples where this was either the preferred option or the, I guess, conventionally wise option as opposed to freshwater? Like like, are there is there anything specifically that you would cite that would say this is a preferred method, as good method, better method.
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Like, I would have you any information that would help me understand this. Yeah. So so first of all, ancient peoples, they didn't have pump planes, flying water from either the ocean or from a reservoir. If an ancient people, I would assume, and I'm sure we could look it up, they use whatever water they had available to put out whatever fire. For the last 100 years. Let's say there's a city. Let's say there's a port city. Port cities okay. I have no doubt in my mind that a port city had no problem using ocean water to put out fires. Can you show them? Because I I remember the world I can I can I can I can a hard time believing before the last 100 years that they had the technology of water out of the ocean now? First of all, the most ancient peoples, like, I mean, you've got, like, we're talking irrigation here now, and we're talking about different levels of technology.
But it's not for lack of
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Oh, hey. That's a great that's a great thought, Brian. Why do we irrigate?
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Right. To to irrigate to grow crops, but we're not talking about growing crops. Okay. We're talking about putting out fires. Understood. Understood. And then and then and then think about it this way. If I'm talking about if and even if I was talking about crops, if I've got land where there's buildings and houses and cars and all that stuff is gonna get burnt to a crisp, release PCBs and dioxins and crap into the air and into the ground, and then to me there's no contest between salt water and, like, melted house car shit into my ground. And I don't even I see there's they're so different. Like, like, they they they live as how many ancient civilizations and cultures do you remember burning all their shit all over their farmland and then trying to raise okay. No. They probably put out the fire first. Do they care if it was water sea water and fresh water? Probably not.
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According to you, and I don't even necessarily disagree with this. But according to you, direct energy weapons are a big component of this. What does salt water have to like, what does melted metal have to do with naturally occurring fire in antiquity if we're talking about a direct energy weapon based conflagration? Like, why why why, like, why is that a part of the argument? You know what I mean? You're muted, Brian.
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Yeah. You're muted. I'm sorry, brother. The only reason why I'm bringing up directed energy weapons is to show that there's an agenda here. The same people, the same Well, we all agree on that. Right. Right. And the same forces that are that are using directed energy weapons are the exact same forces using their their lamestream media outlets to push we can't saltwater is bad line. And so that's where I'm saying they they're together. It's like that the same puppet master lighting the fires of the laser beam is also saying, also, we forgot firefighting pump boats. We forgot the fact that we already use airplanes and helicopters to take seawater. As we've been showing on TV, no one is saying, oh my gosh. You can't, you know, stop that helicopter.
Don't ground that helicopter. You know, maybe maybe someone was flying a drone to stop the Canadian, seaplanes because they were trying to prevent seawater from being used, but I don't think so.
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No. That was just some asshole. There's no doubt about that. That dude is just a douchebag straight out.
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Right. Right. And so, exactly, and so they already use saltwater. And so you're arguing, like, they don't use it because it's bad. And I'm saying we got it on TV right now of of, like, seaplanes and helicopters flying back and forth with ocean water.
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I'm saying I agree with you in that there is a huge difference between the 3 planes that you cited and the dozens to 100 of other planes that aren't dumping saltwater. They could. They could. They could. Real quick. If your position was correct, we wouldn't need reservoirs.
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Salt water planes either. A salt water plane.
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We we would just need scoop scoop copters and scoop planes, and the they would fly ocean missions all day long, day in and day out. And the only thing that we would be using would be ocean water, but we don't do that. In fact, to a huge difference, we use fresh water. So why why in your opinion is that?
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It's because they're it's not because they don't wanna use ocean water. It's in the fires where you see them using reservoir water. They're next to a reservoir. That's the closest body of water. So disingenuous now.
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Our water lines are hooked up to fresh water. We use fresh water for everything. Being emptied away from out they're trucking in water from Yosemite
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right now
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to help Because they don't have because they have an empty reservoir. But if they had their act together, I'm arguing different conversation. My argument is
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why don't they always hear saltwater? Okay. You think there's
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the the 50,000 a year? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. We already we already have pump ships on harbors that will put out fires on land using seawater
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every all the time. So then wait, wait, wait. So you'd see it. Red and salinated.
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Yeah. You're act no, they're not desalinating
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the water as they're sucking it up out of the ocean. That's not what I that's not what I said. I said they're spraying the salinated water on parts of the land that are already salinated.
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No. No. No. No. They're it's a harbor fire.
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Water that has no water.
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You're spraying the water onto the fire, which is like a building on the land, and there's no issues that, like, that land becomes barren and turns into a desert. That's just No. Because that's it's already salin salinated land. That's what Steve was saying. So that's already gonna already grow marsh grasses And then and then what I said is like that. And then then I point out that there are plenty of bodies of land that get inundated, flooded, tidal waves, tsunamis with seawater, and they're not blighted. So that's not even true. That's not true. Okay? When when I see what I see them using is water. The easiest, most accessible water to fight that fire, that's what they're gonna use. If they've got a reservoir nearby because you're up in the mountains and you're not flying 2 hours to the ocean each way, you know, back and forth round trip.
Okay? You're gonna use a reservoir. When they're on the water with ocean okay. The the reason why they're not using all these other planes is because California doesn't have it together. They don't have the planes operational with the pilots and the companies and the budget. You know? If they did, I'm sure they would be using a lot more to see water, whatever water. Now RED is saying salt your garden. See if you can grow anything there. It's pointed to Japan. Okay? They have tsunamis all along. Their water gets salted all their land gets salted all the time. Yeah. And they had they have special GMO crops made to them so they could survive. Because they had such is growing during the winter season?
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For how long is it? Because of the water. Because of because the GMO crop on their land won't suffice them. That's true. So they had to go make some of that stuff. You're you're bringing up you're bringing up a very specific of GMO rice,
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and it's not like Japan along its coastline for all these 100 of years, maybe 1,000 plus years. Okay? They've been getting inundated with saltwater. They're still able to grow crops along their coastline before GMO rice. They didn't need GMO rice. To
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deplete and fucked up. They had to make a GMO price to try and make these people heavy or healthy. It was the it was the very first one. And that and that made it so they can now grow in these areas that are that are there. And that's that's the whole reason that they broke it apart. They made it so it's protein enriched because these were extraordinarily healthy on unhealthy people. I mean, And to and to further
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that other ways
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to grow the population. Outside of these rich people in Malibu, typically, if you live in a fire prone area like I do, because I live in a place, which by the way, when when we were on fire, they didn't go to the ocean, which is closer than the nearest reservoir. They went to the reservoir. You live in a home where I I can see the other side of my home right there. My bedroom's right up there. That's the entirety of my home because guess what? I live in a forest that catches fire a lot, a lot. Here, people have to regularly just rebuild their whole home. It's a thing we do. So you don't build a gazillion dollar mansion. So that returns to the question I asked earlier, is
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specific area, this, beachfront real estate, this highly sought after real estate, the beachfront is, you know, there's only so much beachfront. These people bought it up. They built their houses. Or is there a agreement or disagreement here about whether or not there should even be houses to that area not be zoned for housing because it's gonna cause a a fire that's gonna cause a crisis management, which is gonna suck money from other funds. So for me, that's all ecofascism
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nanny state talk. Like, oh, it's too expensive for the government if I build my house on the oceanfront. I don't buy that argument at all. And Polychase was saying, is this guy arguing to put out to water our crops with seawater? No. I'm arguing to put out fires with seawater. And if the fire happens to be on land that may or may not have crops in the foreseeable future, don't effing matter. What matters first is putting out the fire. If you let the fires burn what they've been burning up, a 150 +1000000000 dollars of houses, cars, and other property has been burnt up. The amount of chemicals and shit, I'll say it, in the air and in the water right now compared to freaking saltwater, that makes me sick. And I and I challenge you, polycrops. If you think you care so much about, like, blighting the land, go why don't you go right now to Pacific Palisades or to Pasadena and go tell the people, hey. You know, thank God they didn't you know, your your houses weren't put out with seawater.
You know, I'm glad your houses are burned because if if shit. If they use seawater to save your houses and Wait. Hang on. Why is that the argument?
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Why why is that why is that the framing?
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That's what started this debate in the first place was Benjamin posted, something about Romans salting the earth and how bad that is for the environment. And and that's why we're not using saltwater to put out these fires. Well, that's because that's factually true. Yeah. That's kinda like why
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Yeah. So so your your position is who gives a fuck if it's unfallible going forward? The most important thing is we make sure that the destruction that has already taken place up to the point where you would need to go scoop water out of the ocean stops shortly after.
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Yes. No. I no. I'm saying who gives an f if you're using saltwater or not? If you could yeah. I don't know if you say fuck it up, you're allowed to. I don't give an f because what I'm saying is even if you do use salt water, ocean water, it's not gonna hurt the the land and blight the land and render it sterile the way you guys some of you guys are arguing. I don't even know if that's the case. The highest priority is to use any available water,
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including ocean water, to prevent the spread of a fire.
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And, right, and worst damage and and and even if you do use gas, seawater, it's not going to hurt. You're not gonna find any difference. And that's why this is California coastline, which has been inundated with seawater all the time. It's it's a temperate, you know, more Mediterranean climate down there, and, it's not an issue. Just like I pointed at Japan, I pointed at Indonesia, other places, they're not, like, all sterile. You don't you know, they didn't have GMO crops 500 years ago in Japan, and they weren't starving. Like No. Where did they grow in them spots?
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Yeah. I'll I'll come back to I do know that. Comment. I'll come back to this comment here real quick, from Josh. Barely 20% of Japan's available land actually suitable for crops due to the salinity in the ground. They managed to grow some crops along the coast, but less Josh isn't the source. Josh isn't the source. Yeah. And and I understand that, but you can you it's it's not that difficult
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to look up the facts. This is a one time thing. Well, then then look at the fire. Find a different source of seawater. I'm not I'm not saying you're gonna irrigate the crops with seawater forever and ever. I'm saying you've got a freaking onetime fire that you haven't seen in the whole history of LA.
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But you have. At one time with seawater, and you you have on. 1968. You don't put in LA. This happened. You don't argue. 1973 this week. We put it out in 78. Oh my gosh. In 1983, it happened. 1980 7, it happened. So the only point of me pulling this up is to demonstrate that rice is rice, which is the left column here before modification, brown rice is not actually nutritionally inferior to other crops. The reason they modified it is because it's the most consumed crop on earth, and no single crop contains all, all the necessary nutrients.
So that's a null point. Also, do you know how much we spread as much as 60,000,000 like a motherfucker. 60,000,000 metric ton no. I mean, I'm I'm just attacking a straw man. Well, you're right. It's a straw man to begin with. Very specifically, I said that the people that live in those zones
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had health issues, so they made GMO crops in order to make it And what I'm saying is that your own source refutes the claim.
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And but the important but it's the straw man. You're right. That's a straw the rice is a straw man topic regardless. 60,000,000 metric tons were of salt is spread on roads each year. This shit is not toxic It's not toxic. To the degree that you're creating it. Bro. That's not that's road salt, bro. That's not the same. There's there's about a dozen different primary salts in the ocean.
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Okay. So what is the difference? Yeah. And and Mag Chloride ain't it. So question then. Let's clarify for the listening audience. What is the difference between using salt on road to melt ice and using salt water that will be evaporated in a high flame fire? So we have hot water spray.
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If I'm not mistaken, road salt is sodium chloride. No. It's magnesium chloride. Yeah. Magnesium chloride. My bad. Yeah. And that doesn't exist in salt water.
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No. It's a it's a component. You have to create magnesium chloride for road salt. It's not sodium chloride
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that exists in nature. It's a different compound. Off the top of my head. No. No. Hold on a second. Anywhere he was saying that he agrees with me if no freshwater was available. There was no freshwater available. They literally had their their water was empty. The firefighters well, there were firefighters, many who have testified that there was no, water in the fire hydrants, and LA has admitted that they cut the power, which means they didn't have water. So the idea that they just had all this fresh water available is not true. They didn't Little bit little bit of a distinction here real quick. When you cut power, you don't necessarily cut water.
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What what happened with with LA, and this goes back to deliberate mismanagement on the part of a malevolent state, which is entirely different than what we're talking about. But there's a couple of key reservoirs, one of which was drained entirely. Another is owned to the tune of 60% by one particular couple, the Resnick family. And they have the majority share of that reservoir, and they already have contracts that says that water has to go to their crops. The the if we're talking about, the availability to grab what they could have gone to Big Bear for that. They could have. A helicopter flight from Big Bear to LA is 45 minutes.
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It makes sense to fly a bucket. It it makes sense to fly 1 bucket
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45 minutes each way from No. It makes sense to send a battalion if you're
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concerned about saving the community. Why don't you just fly the your helicopter 30 seconds to the ocean right there? Because You gotta fly 45 minutes each way. To be able to process each way versus 30 seconds. It
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okay. It if what you're saying is if what you're saying is true, this would have been the protocol for the entirety
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of human history. We've had a while to figure this out. The entirety of history was really weird. We didn't ever had helicopters. Speculation. We Because it because it we're on the end of the day. In your field. It's literally Because the reason when we had helicopters.
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Yeah. We didn't have a and we use freshwater for all of our for all of our uses. Right? The infrastructure is hooked up to freshwater. That's why we use it to fight fires. You can fight a fire with gutter water. It doesn't need to be reverse osmosis.
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Why is the infrastructure hooked up to freshwater? Though, that's what that's what I'm trying to get you to figure out. Drink. Because You gotta drink it. Drink it.
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And Yeah. So you're And it kills all the other life besides humans. It kills all the plants. They drink it. Yes. Things that live in freshwater can't drink. That kills all the stuff besides that. That might be why they use You know, you understand most life on Earth lives in saltwater. Most life on Earth lives in saltwater. Not the stuff in land, though. So the stuff so saltwater kills us. Freshwater would kill saltwater. Only kills us if we drink it. So, yes, the plants that are getting doused with saltwater, they're gonna die, probably. That's that's And everything in the soil until But they're probably gonna die as anyways from the fire. Now what we're talking about is we're talking about having saltwater put on ground or having fuck tons of industrial chemicals
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burnt and melted into the ground. Do you know So tell me tell me, Flo, if you were out in the ocean and you hadn't had a drink for a week, would you drink salt say and you were you were No.
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You But we're not talking about drinking. Fire. We're not talking about drinking. Salt water right now. I also wouldn't drink it first. I also wouldn't drink automotive paint.
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Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. We are using automotive paint to put out the fire. But we are melting it into the ground. Right? That's true. I don't disagree with that. Although, I don't know how many automotive paint places or factories are down in the Palisades.
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Well, there's cars down there that are melting, like you know?
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Yeah.
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There's all the the the environmental repercussions of letting these fires cook. All this all this stuff is way bigger than just putting some salt water on a plate. No. But the salt water is gonna make it worse. So you understand that similar to drinking salt water when you're dehydrated, yes. You're not you're not putting salt in another system. The salt water chemicals bioavailable.
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Do you understand what bioavailable Benjamin
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Benjamin, let me ask you. If your house is there, you've got a house, you got a ranch in Malibu. Okay? And you literally you got I'm not a fan of gas. Your horses are on your your horses are on fire. Your your mansion is on fire. Okay. Yeah. You got all this grass and a rose garden. Do you you have a choice. Okay? We can save your house with ocean water, which has a lot of salt in it, or we can let the motherfucker burn.
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I would shoot the helicopter trying to come put that fucking poison on my land.
[01:27:33] Unknown:
Number 1, my horse is not horse horse is burned.
[01:27:37] Unknown:
That horse is dead now because the horse now any grass that that horse tries to eat, Guess what the horse ate? Grass. That's the way most animals work. They eat these things that are growing out of the land y'all are trying to poison in mass. And what we're talking about here is saltwater that's gonna sink down and sit inside the water table. This is part of why when they salted the grounds and it's not just some whimsical thing, this is a historical saying. We're literally armies when they wanted to take and make it so you're not only you are fucked, your kids are fucked, you are never gonna come threaten my empire again. We salt your ground on the way out. So not only so not only would you say no we commit to ourselves.
[01:28:24] Unknown:
Not only would you say no, do not save my house, don't save my horses, don't save my land, you're gonna shoot at the helicopter.
[01:28:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Get that thing the fuck away from me. Don't don't quit this one. I have a question for the I'm gonna have a new house next year. Okay. No problem. Guess what? My land is gonna be more green than it was ever. No. It won't, dude.
[01:28:45] Unknown:
Yeah. It will. Because guess what? You know, the insulation is made out of what a change is made out of construction adhesives are made of? Bro, you're insane if you think that that just burning all this shit down is not way more environmentally harmful. It would Throughout history throughout history, they have burnt the land in order to make burnt fields of grass. They didn't burn cities. Not houses where they clotting crap and chemicals in it. They didn't have that. This is what we're talking about. We're talking about a city. We're talk we're not talking about burning a field. He asked if I if I asked about my house.
[01:29:20] Unknown:
I live out in the freaking woods.
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I would never let somebody put salt on my land. So gentlemen, let me go ahead. In the in the interest of of moving this forward, we we've reached impasses and your positions have been clearly stated. Maybe I'll I'll ask you guys, do you wanna go into the conversation of the, the insurance and and the finances of living in those places and maybe the sustainability or the the inability to live in those areas. And now now, regardless of how the I don't know where there's money. Disagreements
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on the insurance things, but, yeah, let's discuss it.
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Right. Right. So I I understand I'm hearing, certain values are prioritized in different order for the gentleman on the panel tonight. Now that, this terrible event has happened and we have to move forward, a lot of that's gonna involve, lawyers, finances, figuring out who's gonna pay for what and kind of prioritize the money. And then the disbursement of funds may take forever to the point where there's nothing left for anybody in a reasonable lifetime
[01:30:29] Unknown:
to rebuild a life. So, Brian, do you have any thoughts about moving forward with insurance claims and government needing to pay for this? So State Farm already knew a time knew ahead of time that with all the earthquakes and wild fires and California mismanagement, it's a bad deal. So whether or not, you know, they had heads up from an their new world order buddies or they just have really good actuaries, which, you know, I'm not I wouldn't doubt that either. Either way, they've already pulled out. And so now, the vast majority of these people, you know, seeing the California bureaucracy right now is basically it's gonna be a nightmare trying to rebuild.
And getting an insurance claim honored at the same time, you know, however many tens of thousands of homeowners are are filing claims, trying to get materials in this economy with everything that we've been through, much less California. I mean, for me, it's it's my heart goes out to them because it's a double tragedy. It's a tragedy first of losing their property, and then it's that that that's gonna be compounded by the tragedy of, like I I really don't see a clear way people normally are gonna be able to build, rebuild unless they have truckloads of money. And I know maybe some of the people in that area do, but I'm pretty sure a lot don't, and and my heart goes out to them. I I'm gonna throw on top of there
[01:31:56] Unknown:
that a lot of people don't realize that, like, in the car fire, which was 2020 which was was that 2020? 2019? 2018? So the car fire, which is Northern California, in in at the time had set the biggest land fire that had ever been. A lot of those homes, they're not letting them be rebuilt. So even if they do get some money back for the home, a lot of these, they're not in California. They're not letting them be rebuilt. If you do rebuild it, it's on your dime. And if it just like my house, I can't get insurance on my house. I agree a 100% with Brian's sentiment. Who knows whether they got word to pull out extra, but the fact is they've been pulling out for years. All the other insurance companies have. Mhmm. It's impossible to get insurance in California and especially Northern California against fire.
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Except for except for on New Year's Eve of 2024, Gavin Hansom signed a bill into law that mandated 30 days after the bill being signed into law that insurance companies would have to provide fire coverage. Now what this says to me, especially in light of the fact that State Farm and a number of other major insurers canceled policies 3 months before this particular fire, what that says to me is, the state of California and the insurance companies are price fixing premiums to skyrocket in order to make sure that none of us ever get to own homes.
[01:33:47] Unknown:
And and he says that because in order to get a loan on a home, like my home, I had to buy I had to buy this cash. They won't give me a loan. They won't give you a loan Are you in a flood zone? Or this. No. I'm in a fire zone. He's in a fire zone. And so they they won't give you a loan for a home out here because you can't get insurance. That's what he means. So either you, a, have cash to buy your home, b, do a contract for d for deed, or c, you don't own a home ever.
[01:34:16] Unknown:
And in Malibu, in particular, where this happened, the Pacific Palisades represents, like, the the 1% to the 0.6%. Not the 0.5 to 0.01%. Not the huge money, guys. But, like, the the we got a lot of money, guys. Well, now they're all burned out, and they'll never be able to fucking carry the insurance again. Or or if they do, it'll be so exorbitant that only a select few can outright personally afford to maintain that. Otherwise, it's gonna be down to BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, and Berkshire Hathaway.
[01:35:00] Unknown:
Dude, can and the thing people don't think about is, fires go through sometimes multiple years in a row. So I've I know a ton of people that their house burnt down that before they even finished putting up a new fucking house, that sucker burnt down too. Like, could you imagine doing that on your dime? You ain't got no dimes left after that. Like I said, this is part of why out here in the mountains, you know, there's people out here that are millionaires that live in a shack. Because when your shack burns down, you chuck up another shack, it's cool. Like, I can build this I can build this basic structure in a week and a half and have it pretty much done.
With Steve's help. With Steve's help, which I'd make him come do.
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Yeah. And it took 3 days. I just had to get up off my ass and actually do it.
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But True story. He requires so much coffee and kratom in order to get him moving.
[01:35:58] Unknown:
I was gonna be worse. Worse, man. It was a rough That's a bro. That you're a bro. You are definitely a bro.
[01:36:04] Unknown:
Yeah. I'll come build you a fucking outbuilding right now, Brian. We just met. I'll I'll I'm in Northern Nevada. Come on up. We got Brian, he was disagreeing with you the whole time. I'm just kind of on your side. I've been disagreeing with you less. You can come build me something. I don't know what I need. Alright, man. Need a garage. I'm 75 an hour, and I'm good. Oh, wait. I thought this was I thought we were friends now. Yeah. Yeah. No. We are. That's the bro rate. Yeah. Shit. If if anything,
[01:36:32] Unknown:
this is pointing to, we're going to require paradigm shifts as people are going to figure out how to build houses more in ground, like Earthships using sprayed concrete, aircrete, epiccrete with latex in it to make it fireproof, earthquake proof, mold proof, mold proof, you name it. Ant proof. And, you know, and and and this is part of the new earth that's that's getting into the disclosure stuff, but it it's it's definitely business as usual ain't gonna work, and all the people who are gonna try it on Pacific Palisades land, my heart goes out to them.
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We, we have DC in the chat, giving Pennywise lyrics to the conversation. So we just we went from we were from a a nice talk to pop punk.
[01:37:29] Unknown:
It's good. It needed some heat to it. It needed some heat to it. I knew we were gonna end up falling off because we were all even with flow show showed up, I knew we were all gonna agree when we're, like, the government's fucking it all. We're like Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Agree with that. Here. Here. Give me who who here is a secret space program time travel skeptic? That yeah. No. I'm a skeptic of that. Like and we might have to make this space at all. Alright. I believe I believe there is obviously space. It's there. Mhmm. I don't believe we have any access to it nor do normal things access us.
My first question, if you wanna talk about spaces, why is it that there's never been a UFO ever that's been recorded, like, doing a little loop de loo around the moon and then coming into they're always already in our environment before anybody ever talks to them. You don't have any long distance. Oh, hey. Look. Here's this thing. Wow. Wow. Oh, wow. That thing's oh my god. What is it? Oh my god. I mean, are you sure? I don't see you might be right, but you might video. There there there's video from from, professional and,
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amateur astronomers all over the world where they've got their, telephoto lenses and telescopes on the moon, and they've got ships going across the face of the moon. They have other imagery Across the face? Why don't they go behind it? Well, they do. How do they do it? It's hard to track. The only reason why you're able to see them is because they're they got they're across the face of the moon. Otherwise, you wouldn't see, like, a grain of rice flying at you through space. Like, it wouldn't you know? Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to see that stuff, but they've got it coming out of the side. So disagree. I'm friends with Crow 777.
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I've been on his show so many times that I have my own drop down menu, and Crow's famous for that's all he does is record the the moon,
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and other things. Balderson ain't shit. That's what he said. That's the actually, the title of his last episode is Balderson ain't shit.
[01:39:24] Unknown:
Fucking I knew it. I knew you know what? I used to be called the antichrist regularly when I went on there by the Christian listeners, and that's fallen off. And, you know, my ego's hurt. It's hurt. I was, like, the second most important guy in their whole book. Like, fuck. But Crow sits and records these things. He's the guy who discovered the, lunar wave. I don't know if you know what that is. You know, super weird thing where literally it's almost like a on older TVs when you were trying to set the VCR or older VCRs when you're trying to set the tracking, they'd have these little waves that would go down the over this over the screen. It literally looks like that's happening to the moon. It's always in twos. It's always 2 of them that happen.
And since then, it's been recorded over other luminaries. But, he's never recorded anything like that. I know lots of other people. In fact, trying to find actual objects out in space almost never happens despite the fact that we're supposedly surrounded by, like, a 1000000 satellites and say space debris. It it's pretty clear almost all the time. If you just sit and record it, it's finding an event is very odd.
[01:40:41] Unknown:
Well, I mean, you know, my argument for or against UFOs, flying in through space isn't that we haven't seen them flying directly all the way coming from space. I mean, there are people who argue that they have. They've seen light ships that look like stars, like, way up, coming way down to them on the ground. So there are people, I'd argue, who have seen that. My whole thing They didn't record it. I mean, my brother saw Bigfoot too, but There are people who record this stuff. I mean, they they've got record and now I mean, look. Last year, at the beginning of the year before, I I remember telling my mother and my one brother, Jason, hey, mom. Jason, I'm gonna be throwing a UFO conference. And Jason walked off. UFO conference threw up his hands and laughed and walked away.
Not even a year later, November of the last year, we've got UFOs worldwide all over the place, and there's so much more information that I have to share. I'd love to come back. I think, you know, we I feel like we're towards the end of this because we we did a great debate.
[01:41:40] Unknown:
I'd love to come back to debate secret space program. 100%. Time trial. Yeah. We're about to at the end of our 2 hours. We might go keep going just because it's been fun and Flo is here or maybe Flow will start up and we'll jump over on him or something.
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But I'm actually multi streaming right now.
[01:41:59] Unknown:
Yeah. So because I know Steve's got limited time, so maybe Marcus and I at least will jump on. I have I have another 45 minutes or He's got 45 minutes, but we would absolutely love to have you back. It's been a it's been an excellent debate, excellent time. You know, even though we didn't come to it, you don't expect to come to a resolution. That's just the way debate is. You're just, you know, you don't expect anybody to go, oh my god. Unless they really didn't know something and you've informed them of something, you don't expect that. A change of position. At the end of it, you know, you have your position, which you put your importance. As Marcus said, you put yours on the home and the things like that, and I put mine on the actual land and the future of the land. That's just a difference. No. We put ours on logic logic, and you put yours in, I don't know, the belief that salt is more worse than chemicals. Right. Because I was thinking I was thinking that that that wasn't the
[01:42:52] Unknown:
argument though. The the argument wasn't whether salt is worse than chemicals. It was whether or not freshwater or saltwater
[01:43:02] Unknown:
was beneficial to putting a fire out. We never thought that not quite. The the the the weather the saltwater is my point is the saltwater is even worse. So it's no different than being out in a boat for a week, and you're dying of thirst and you drink a cup of saltwater. It makes it worse. It doesn't make it better. Yeah. And my and my point and my point is that when it comes to saving your house and property and land, it's not drinking the water. It's using the salt water if that's all you have available.
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If you have fresh water, great. Use that out of the fire hydrant. If you don't, use the saltwater versus letting it burn. And not only is it better to use the saltwater to save your house, animal, land, and property, but it won't even hurt the land anywhere near as bad as as what, Benjamin and Steve are arguing. I don't
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I don't accept that part. That. The that's that's the problem. Maybe we can have you back,
[01:43:54] Unknown:
and you could you could present evidence. Now I need to disclosure next. I I because I think I think that I don't think Has anybody demonstrated the other side? Changed my minds, but I think that the people in the audience We can demonstrate the other side flow state. We we can't grow
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anything using freshwater versus saltwater.
[01:44:14] Unknown:
That's not this paradigm that we're in. What we're talking about is on one hand, you can run saltwater over the land, right, to put out the fires before everything melts into the ground, or you can let the chemicals burn and melt into the ground. We don't have a comparable I'm sure that we don't have an actual Are you under the impression that the saltwater Comparable situation. Poke into the land? I'm under the the impression that salt is not a toxin except in huge quantities
[01:44:42] Unknown:
when you're drinking it. So you can The amount of it, the dose is Every just like everything.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
Right? Well, not just like everything, like most things. There are some things like, I don't spray insulation that are just straight up toxic.
[01:44:57] Unknown:
Sure. And then we could, you know, talk about the EPA and, you know, moving forward, what new laws and regulations may come in. You know, other scientific explorations of, you know, this this crisis manager with all the data available. I know that we're short on time to be able to gather more resources. So I while Brian is here, I did hear you tease a little bit about alternative technologies to build structures more sustainable, hidden technologies, these types of things.
[01:45:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Absolutely. And I'd I'd love to come back to discuss all of that. You know, everyone, please, I I just liked and subscribed here on YouTube. So if you're watching on YouTube, please like, subscribe, hit the notification bell. And if you liked me to come back for, to debate secret space programs and all of that good stuff, please put that in the comments. I'd love to come back. I had a great time with you all tonight.
[01:45:48] Unknown:
And, and will you guys put your links backstage? I've got Ben's and, dogs. I don't know that I got the rest.
[01:45:54] Unknown:
Full disclosure movement dotorg to check out the, 2025 Full Disclosure Now Conference coming up this July, 15th to 18th at St. Pete Beach, Florida. We'll be at the lovely Sarada Beach Resort, and then we have a sister event that weekend, 19th 20th, ending our 4 day and night event. We'll have a Saturday and Sunday at the beach with the day of being 5 point o people. So it's like a 1,000 starseeds and light workers and psychics hanging out in their swimming suits, at nearby Indian Shores Beach, which is only about 25 minutes away from Saint Pete Beach.
[01:46:30] Unknown:
Sounds way more pimping than the last event I see. Sound pimp. And star workers or light workers and witchy chicks are normally fairly good looking as a demographic, I would say. Slightly too. A little bit ate up, but good looking. I'll take it. Totally ate up, but, you know But how are we?
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Yeah. Oh, a 100%. Otherwise, you wouldn't be attracted to them.
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But It's our energies that bring us together.
[01:46:55] Unknown:
Marcus and I's last speaking event that we had to go to a flat or didn't have to went to. Full Flattoberfest was right in hurricane Helene, and him and I went right through the center of that shit. Like, literally on the event we get. Our natural disasters
[01:47:11] Unknown:
on the rise. Is this just, what was the communication, so we're all talking about it? Weather warfare.
[01:47:19] Unknown:
Okay. As long as we keep throwing harp at everything. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But so there's a difference between man made climate change and man made climate change. And we're we're living through the latter, as far as I'm concerned. So you blaming specifically men on this and women have no part of the climate changing? Well, they know their place and they were in the kitchen sweeping up after the harp effects. They were, hopefully. You know what? If it's them getting out of the kitchen as that was the damn problem. Right? If we would have just kept them in the fucking kitchen in the first place, none of this ever would have happened. Maybe you're right, Marcus. Maybe it is women. We should go ahead and blame them. I agree with you. Then that, you know, jokes aside that that is a question because we were bringing up the topic
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of DEI. And if there were certain female firefight women firefighters who were ill equipped to do this job. So then maybe we blame the men for not stepping up to say, you know, our marriage and our strength is, you know, cut caused us to supersede the need for female fire fighters. So we're we're in the back. Dude, I see this as a a deliberate,
[01:48:36] Unknown:
manifestation of state malfeasance.
[01:48:40] Unknown:
Yeah. The DEI that Brian was talking about earlier was the nail on the head with that where it's it's they're they're, the state is choosing, wrong people because they fit other qualifiers besides the one that's good at doing their job. That qualifier is apparently not even being accounted for anymore. And and, you know, the way we do it in my house is is every time my wife tries to leave the kitchen, I try to get her pregnant, and I don't know what the hell's going on. I've been trying, you know, real hard for, like, the last 10 years, and she don't ever get pregnant. But, you know, it's been a good time. I could help you out with that. Hey. She's also in menopause. She she's also in menopause. And Oh, did you hear me? Yes. She can It was just a joke.
No. Dude, my house is only, like, fucking 3rd 20 feet by 30 feet. It's literally a shack in the woods. Like, everybody can hear you here.
[01:49:36] Unknown:
Brian, man, thank you for for being on. I appreciate your time. And, one more time, please direct people to your website and all that kind of stuff before you get out of here. Come back on. Let let's do this again. I I I really enjoyed it.
[01:49:55] Unknown:
Thank you, Steve. Yeah. My website is full disclosure movement dotorg, and, you can get the, general admissions passes and and the couples passes. This is, the super soldier early bird, which is gonna go up at the end of the month. So it's best pricing now. And, also, you can book your rooms at the Sarada Beach Resort by calling in to them directly. Let them know you're with the 2025 full disclosure now conference, and they will apply the conference discount for the if you stay the whole week, which I recommend, it's a great discount, and I I look forward to seeing everybody there.
[01:50:33] Unknown:
Heck, yeah. And how many, witchy chicks do you expect
[01:50:36] Unknown:
this year? 100. 100. And then and on the beach with their bikinis, it's gonna be great. You can't go wrong. But When the big kitty guys bitches out there on a beach.
[01:50:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I I think that this this is a good idea.
[01:50:50] Unknown:
Fucking flows over here like, I'm a starseed. I'm a starseed.
[01:50:54] Unknown:
I all I know is that my chakras are open and my crystals are aligned. Let's get it. Let's get it. Emily Moyer, we love you.
[01:51:04] Unknown:
Oh, I've got I've got plenty of great people to introduce you all to. You know, it would be great. Come bring a film crew. A lot of people are coming, and they're gonna be, doing great in person interviews. That's priceless footage. You know, if if you have to justify coming, and I'm happy to offer deals and stuff for admission and passes. Like, that's not a problem.
[01:51:26] Unknown:
Nice. Nice. Well, it sounds real pimp. Like I said, we do, public speaking. I do, I my normal thing is actually alchemy is my normal thing I speak on. I'm an actual laboratory alchemist. So it's not just, young Ian alchemy. It's actual lab alchemy that I speak on typically is the thing I'm most known for. And I don't know that I've been at one that's at pimping. The Vegas one, 2 year a couple years ago was super nice. That one was huge and super nice, but my truck got stolen out the parking garage. So fuck that. It's transmogrified.
[01:52:03] Unknown:
It turned into a donkey and walked away. Yeah. But there's any video evidence either way.
[01:52:11] Unknown:
Vegas, it's harsh. Is that was that for a Squareway to the Stars Ascension Fest at the Luxor? Or is it
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Fest.
[01:52:21] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like it's like overfest. And, and then, we were at the, Sam's Town, and I was in the parking garage. And I've been to Vegas, I think, 6 times in my life now. And the first five, Vegas was, you know, what you imagine Vegas to be. It's it's you walk in there. And, yeah, there's seedier parts, you know, if you look in the corners and whatnot. But most of it's just bright lights, everything's here, have this super awesome thing you've never imagined for $5. You know, just come here and spend your money on our gambling. And so this time when I went, the nicest restaurant in the in the place, and this is a major, motor or major, casino, station is the got the most casinos in Vegas.
TGI Fridays was the nicest place in there. They had a fucking Dunkin' Donuts in there. They had a freaking Panda Express in there. They had nothing nice. I there was shootouts in the Walmart across the road. Every night that we were there, they had police snipers on top of the Walmart. There was just like a a permanent sniper nest up on top of the Walmart thing. Where was this? In Las Vegas.
[01:53:40] Unknown:
I lived like an agent for 15 months, dude. The only people that stole my truck were the cops.
[01:53:48] Unknown:
They did. Man, cops used to steal my shit too.
[01:53:52] Unknown:
Rob. It was That might explain the Dunkin' Donuts. Okay. It was expensive. Oh, yeah. Good. That all comes together. Well, they told me they stole my truck because I was a little mystified because I'm like, who the fuck steals a farm truck? But my truck was a giant f 250,
[01:54:08] Unknown:
and the cops said they stole your truck to go rob a construction site. So so they can back up to a piece of equipment and grab it. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. I probably would have taken it out to the desert and rallied it because that's what I did with my truck when I lived in Vegas. But, dude, I I couldn't I couldn't hang it. We did. I spent over a year there. I went and watched live comedy, like, 3 nights a week. But other than that, I was way the fuck out in Red Rock. I was, you know, in the middle of nowhere. I didn't wanna be around civilization. I didn't care. I I just wanted to go and stand still long enough to where I could see all of the colors of the desert, which there's a lot of them if you stand still for 5 minutes and just wait and then look.
And Right. And yeah. Yeah. But no. The, the Las Vegas police department went to my apartment complex. We had a snitch. I had a truck that was out of reg for 3 weeks, and it got towed twice.
[01:55:29] Unknown:
Wow. They're on it.
[01:55:32] Unknown:
I heard I heard that that it went to shit. Driving around parked in a place that I paid for. I really don't have money to park my truck in my parking spot, and still LVPD
[01:55:46] Unknown:
came and was like, nah, dude. You're out of reg. So when the orders are given, the orders are followed by the order followers. Things get done. Just doing my job. 1 in Rome. 1 in Rome. You gotta pay the man.
[01:55:58] Unknown:
$1300 to clear that shit up, dude. Fuck. What? $1300 including impound fees and re reg. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:56:15] Unknown:
So were you a dick to a cop or something who piss?
[01:56:19] Unknown:
No. I do a highly subversive podcast that pisses off a lot of people on a national level. And every now and then, I I get, hit with some shit. Before that truck got towed, the truck that I had before that got set on fire in my friend's driveway. Before that
[01:56:40] Unknown:
That's gangster. I'm banned for e from Ebay for life. So nice to real recognizes real. Yeah. No. Solid, bro. Solid.
[01:56:48] Unknown:
The good good to have you on board. It is, man. It is. But, yeah, it's not. This is Flo, this is my this is my partner. The guys on the top row right now are my partners on the show.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
We've all been Or what are we? The peasantry?
[01:57:01] Unknown:
Yeah. You're the pet. You're the I I can't No. I'm just doing it.
[01:57:06] Unknown:
Here. I wouldn't hang out with you. Feel better. Alright? There you go. Welcome to FlowState. I'm in charge of this shit now. It's gonna be a decent changes around here. Everybody's gonna start drinking salt water immediately.
[01:57:17] Unknown:
Alright. Well, let's go and put Brian up there then.
[01:57:21] Unknown:
Alright. Well, everyone, it's it's been a blast. Remember, plants crave electrolytes. Solar be out. I love you all, and, I I look forward to an invite anytime you guys wanted to do a a full disclosure secret space program. I I'm willing to go super woo, and I'd I'd love to come back, guys. You doing, Sam? Good nights.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
Heck, yeah. Thank you, Brian.
[01:57:42] Unknown:
Thank you, brother.
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So, Flo, have you got a stream streaming?
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Yeah. I'm doing a share stream up here. There's 66 people watching on my end right now.
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Whenever, whenever Steve goes to bail, we'll probably bail over and go over and hang out with you because he's got a he lives La Vida Loca. And if he gets, too loud, she'll come in there and throw hot sauce on in his eyes. Let's please let that happen. That'd be fantastic.
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That's that's content right there. Us arguing about saltwater doesn't matter compared to that.
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We we don't need my the smoking hot Mexican girlfriend to come throw salsa in my Oh, yeah. You do like living the dangerous life, don't you?
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Hey. I I said it. I was direct.
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Embulsion. And and yeah. No. She's hotter than a fucking $50 pistol.
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That's why I get free work as he's dumb enough to sleep with crazy girls and then has to come stay at my house after he pisses him off. Every once in a while, it happens, man. And he gets an outbuilding or something. I'll be up there tomorrow. I will. You you don't choose the crazy woman life. The crazy woman life chooses you. So
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Have you called those temporary, housing arrangements dog houses until, just now?
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No. I haven't. I haven't. I should. I should. Yeah. Yeah. It's, the one of the finest dog houses I've ever seen in my life, though. It is.
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We've even got a Steve and I used to have this thing where we'd steal something from each other every time we went to each other's house, thus ensuring, you know, the other person had to come back to your house to re retrieve their stolen item. Yeah. And, after after all that, there's even an item there, and it's, inmates not inmates not allowed sign from the old prison, and it's hanging out above my still over here that's permanent now.
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I get it. I get it.
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I'd well, because I found when I was cleaning out a job that I was, like, effectively a general contractor for about 25 years before I started doing the the whole podcast thing in earnest. And so doing some cleanouts, got a hold of, a couple of really weird items,
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and so Ben wound up with 1. Yeah. I, yeah, I did the same thing, and you you can find some weird shit in clean outs or in demo if you like like yeah. There's shit in walls. People don't realize how much stuff there is in walls.
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And then the storage places. Those those three things what the are the things where you're gonna find weird shit. You know?
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I've never done storage units, but, like, owning store I would love to own storage units someday. It just seems like the best business. My point is on it.
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Whenever we would put in crown molding or something like that, we would always I don't know. We would always make sure that that we when we hung the crown, we'd put, like, a newspaper or something like that from the day behind it. And whenever somebody goes to replace it, they get a little present. Sometimes we had some saltier individuals on the crew who would porn bomb.
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Yeah. Around an entire crew. They porn bomb the future.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you went to go rip that shit out 35 years from now, you pop the crown out and then you get hit with the freaking hustler from 1993
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or whatever. So can you imagine what they're gonna go through? Because, like, alright. I when I was 18, I was working at Montgomery Wards, and there's this old guy named Ernie that ran Montgomery the the dock where I worked. Big Ern. Yeah. Big Ern. And he took us up to all go ice fishing. And he had, like, some 19 seventies porn. And those girls had pushed up to their belly buttons. Like, it was like they had a car to put their knees to their nipples. And you're like, what the fuck? And, I mean, I'm not one of them people that like like the little girl look where it's completely bare or anything like that. But Woah. But like but if but, like, hold on. Don't you should not have a hairier belly than me. Get get the fuck out of here with that. This is no longer a bush. This is a happy trail, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. And and he has all these old tours with, like, these women, and I'm opening them up. And I'm like, what the hell? You know? And freaking so can you imagine, like, those people when they they open up and they're like, oh, people found that attractive?
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Like, you you shouldn't need teeth made out of scissors to eat pussy. You shouldn't.
[02:02:39] Unknown:
You shouldn't. I I think you just didn't eat back then. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You didn't even know what you were having sex with. It's a hairball.
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You know, but machete and just got into the jungle, baby. Just it doesn't taste taste. Either that or Where's my Indiana Jones hat?
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It's either that or you had to eat it from the back. Right?
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Oh, shit. Look. If there's a happy trail of fun, there's probably one in back too.
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That's just called eating ass, sir. That it is. And at that point, it really is. It really is.
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Oh, with that much hair, you know it's like shitting through a cheese grater. Oh, shit.
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Look. All we're saying all we're saying, ladies, landing strip, that's great. Awesome. It was great. It was great. Carve a heart into it. Even
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the Hitler, you know, the Hitler box or whatever.
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If we need you, we'll come along with some clippers every now and then. Just you know?
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No. Like like like a pick and pull, you're gonna have to do a little bit of work on the front end to get your your your vagina out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that that's the way it goes anyway, Flo. It really is, man. If you if you were optimal performance, you gotta put in a little work. Right?
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Thank you, baby. Somebody,
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since having said in my chat, says Bush is coming back. Is this what you guys have noticed in the in the,
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you're not trying to now now granted, I'm not.
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Your your wife or girl your woman's right within earshot.
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But what but she knows. I'm not dating, and I'm not I'm extremely faithful to my wife. But
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but Have you tried letting her choose the girl?
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Yeah. We don't do that either.
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I'll I'm a give it to him on that. That was good. That was good. Yeah. It was.
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No. But
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I that that that looking like a little kid, that's weird to me. Yeah. Like, why why do you look like you're prepubescent?
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I mean, I understand logically how that is weird. However, I've, you know, that just is what the vaginas that we've grown to know, I think. Well, there was a a I'm able to know that I was actually having sex before this movement. So I'm not comfortable with that. There was, like, an era and it probably 10 or 15 years
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where they really tried to push that whole, like, shave pussy thing on you. And Say that again. And that was there were 10 or 15 year period where societally, they were like, oh, yeah. No.
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Where all the body hair is removed? Mid nineties to mid nineties to mid to For for let's be fair. Let's be fair. The same was pushed on men too. You have those Calvin Klein outfits or they're selling Yeah. Beans, but the only thing they're wearing are the jeans, and there's no hair on anywhere else on any of the models' bodies. It seems like for dudes, like, we grew up
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and and Tom Selleck was kind of the representation of male. And Tom Selleck was hairy as fuck and he had a big ass mustache and a fucking, you know, facial expression.
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Goddamn mustache. That mustache was its own being. When top of the size, the mustache will be it will remain.
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And we went from that to fucking Justin Bieber overnight. Yeah. And it's been a struggle ever since. I feel like women have gone through the same sort, of struggle. The they had, you know, big bush broads in the seventies, in the eighties, or whatever, all that. And then all of a sudden so had had had curvier,
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figures. They weren't anorexic. They weren't boys.
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Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So I nature is healing. We're correcting. We're we're getting out of that. I feel like,
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you know Bring make Harry fatties great again?
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Well nobody said fatties. Nobody said fatties, bro. Let's not get crazy. Right. Let's not go wild with it. Pro state is allowed. Just because I don't want just because I don't want a woman that looks like a teenage boy doesn't mean that, I I want a fatty. Let's settle down over here. One of them more It's
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not just little kids or Lizzo. There's a fucking
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goddamn spectrum.
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Yeah. But, like, the normal the normal part of that spectrum is not as entertaining as the extremes.
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That depends on how your stroke is and where you're hitting it, though, really. I mean, you know. Somewhere in that bush. It's going somewhere in that bush.
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Oh, shit. Right? Right. Yeah. But when they when they shave the whole thing off and they look like a prepubescent boy no body fat and no boobs, then what what are you gonna do then? You're just like, you it's just looking like freaking it's just looking like a young version of fucking Bill from silence of the lambs, like, tucking it.
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Gentlemen, the wildest thinking about actual,
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fertile looking humans. I mean, this could be a debate on itself as far as, you know, the the signs of fertility. Yes. But also the rates of infertility and what might be the causes of that.
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Sorry there, floozy b, that you just came into the fucking livestream right now.
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They show the show last 2 hours at 8 o at 801,
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the show went right to the gutter. Right? I mean, there was no pit stop. Just It happens places that I go, but look at this Freudian slip all up in this comment anyways. Right? Right? Right? It's not a weird time to come into anything given the conversation.
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No. No. In fact, you, you may find a little bit more enjoyment based on the fact that you did come into the conversation right now.
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Yeah. And in fact, you replaced Solar Bee. So you're you're apparently the much dirtier bee.
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Yeah. It was a dad joke. It was In in terms of the the conversation about depopulation, the counterargument of, you know, increasing the population by encouraging young people to date and mate and explore each other's bodies to create a replacement for the people.
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How crazy is it we're in an area the era that that's a thing that we need to encourage? Well, I think that's part of the future. You couldn't keep you away from the girls with a freaking with a gun. You know, you're finding ways to dodge. Like, oh, shit. I got a duck dive dodge. The restraining orders didn't work. I can I yeah? That's what I heard about you.
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No. Well, that that's just a restraining order is just proof of love.
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Love. Yeah. It really is.
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8 8 kids and 8 grandkids.
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I I was It's playing hard it's playing hard to get is what it is.
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No means yes when you're girls. I mean, I didn't say that.
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Bunny says, what do you guys think about black pussy? I thought this is great. Like, a lot of it. Yeah.
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Steve Steve is dying to be the cream in some coffee. Now don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. He's the onion in a burrito right now, but
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I grew up I I grew up dating black girls, man. I've I've only been with a handful of white women in my life. And
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Those are the ones he procreated with. The yeah. I have white I have white babies. I do.
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I do. I because I you know,
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I plan that shit out. So for for context, we do have some some new viewers and listeners tonight. The deliberating dog faced dudes. First couple episodes did directly address the so called red pill issues and and males' rights activists and men's issues and and dating and mating and these types of topics. We will cover those going forward. We'd cover a variety of topics. Tonight, the, Kyle California wire wildfires were were hot on everyone's minds, and we discussed the the use of saltwater and the solution for putting fires out and the pros and cons of that. Where we learned that that,
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Flo would rather have a house today than a future
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for his children. No. That's absurd. Know if you're gonna go away. We're gonna light you on fire and see what that does to the soil. That's Real quick. For for Carpenter's Journey, if you wanna know where the black women are at, you gotta watch a couple of my other shows, yeah, because I have black female cohosts on 2 of the shows that I do, and then they bring in a a bunch of other black girls. So, yeah, just amwakeupshows.com. You can hang out with the link. A lot of black girls.
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Most of my, children and grandchildren's hair is the same approximate color as their flow's background. I'm highly northern European, and so is my, penis' taste. It does. I I could care less on my my dick. It it it distinctly likes Northern European. Never fucking I've never be with a fucking white girl again. Especially in California, they're just entitled dumb cunts. I'm with the white girl.
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I don't know what you're doing. Or I mean, Danish.
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I want it.
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Is that where you both pay for your for your meal separately? You get separate checks? Dutch or Danish?
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Going She's Danish. It's my bad. I don't know what I was thinking. I just wanted to get beat up, I guess. Yeah. No. Going Danish just means that you have to wear wooden shoes when you pay for the meal. You know what, dude? You know what, dude? Snooki showed up. It's Danish too. I checked. You know what, dude? Snooki showed up at Danish days 2 years ago and danced with Chrissy. Chrissy and fucking, fucking night. She had the stupid wooden shoes on and everybody just looked at her like, what the fuck are you doing? Like and, you know, she had her whole camera crew and everything, but Christie and her friends had to dance with Snooki. It was fucking hilarious.
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I've told What is what is the white pill in a nutshell?
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What is the white pill? Okay. So let let's look at it let's look at it this way. If the black pill is,
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Women bad.
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Nobody's coming to save you and we're all fucked, then the white pill is you are responsible for your own salvation, and it's your obligation to your community and your family to put that forward and try to find solutions in every possible avenue that you can.
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So It's impossible, but it's not it's it's difficult, but not impossible as a pill. The black pill is it's impossible
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and you shouldn't even try, so why bother? I think the black pill is the fucking biggest SIOP of the last couple of years. It's a demoralization, SIOP. Yeah. Yeah. That Yuri Besmanov shit that just on, a an Internet level, of communicability. It's like culture. Black bullshit, dude, so much, man. I I well, I'd I just met you. I don't know you, Flo. But but I've been fucking railing against that shit for fucking years, man. I'd I oh, dude. I I'm just I'm just starting into that,
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fighting the manosphere, MGTOW red pill, black pills, shit.
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It's That's kind of where that's that's kind of where we are. We don't necessarily want to a 100% fight it because some of the things we agree, but some we a 100% disagree. Like, the fact is is it it it seems to me and we one one of our first debates was against, GLO who's a big red pill guy. Just a bunch of guys that are trying to talk to basement dwellers that are absolutely and then and then they're like, oh. They're misery pimps. Yeah. And and, yeah, misery pimps. That's a perfect term for it. And and the guys that they're selling their shit to are not guys like, with with GLO, he was specifically, like, their he he caters a lot to the Indian crowd. And I'm like, so you think these guys are gonna, like, show me pics of Bob's and Vazgines are gonna be.
Yeah. I know. And, like, get the fuck out of here. And you got Rolo Tomasi. That guy is sleeping like, half those guys are hanging out with hookers. Like, I'm sorry. So then being an alpha male is have having enough money to get a hooker because that's not you know? You you rather pay your money to Wes Watson or some fuck not like that. Why don't you just give $200 to a hooker and, hey. You got pussy. I just gave you that one for free, guys. Like, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that's the route you should go. I'm personally into the It's definitely in a step up. Yeah. It's a step up from paying some dude to that's to go out and be a jackass, and then you still are just a loser. But now you're a loser who has no money that gave it to another dude.
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Like, how weird is that? You paid a guy who learned how to be a man in prison. Consider that.
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Yeah. To teach you how to be a man. So wasn't wasn't the grip essentially. Get a bunch of young people. In prison real soon too. Bring him bring him to a hotel. Talk to him about the benefits of being women and some tips to talk to women and then seed the club with women who are available for a price. So then the man who's given the convention is also getting a cut of the money going to the women so that the men can hook up with them in the hotel room. It's just Yeah. It was a whole season. Feel like that they're make them feel like that they're, some of the was, well, you know, you're gonna have to pay a woman so you didn't have the real world experience. It's like an RPG metaphor for for you to get any experience with a woman. You it's it's good for you to pay her for her time. Let me tell you guys. To gain your attention. Go up and hook, when you go to find the wonderful woman who's gonna be the loving mother that takes care of you and takes care of your children,
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having had experience with a hooker ahead of time is not gonna be helpful. I I just It's not.
[02:17:45] Unknown:
Yeah. But it's still I I think that being I think that if men hold on to or carry on their virginity too long, it starts being a big psychological wait for them.
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Put the pet pussy gets put on the pedestal, and they get
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the time Let me let me ask you a question, Flo. What do you think the optimum age then would be for, a man to lose his virginity?
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I don't know that I thought about that. It's, so I think that it's gonna be social primarily. That that the answer will be have social context.
[02:18:20] Unknown:
Okay. No. I can rock with that. I can. I can. I just I don't because it's it's I mean, isn't it mostly a social concern? Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're making the declarative statement, if a man is a virgin for too long, then there has to be, at some point, an optimum. Right?
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Yeah. But I don't think it's biologically fixed. I think it's socially determined.
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So socially when is too long?
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So socially when is too long? Socially, I think that if you hit 20, probably. I'm just from the hip, I would say at 20, you're probably starting to feel that. Okay. I gotta agree with you. We I I kinda I I agree with that. I would pay for a hooker before I mean, honestly, I personally would move it lower, but I recognize that I
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See, I'd move it higher. I'd move it up to, like, 23. I mean, like, you can be a 22 year old virgin and trying to fucking actually produce the best version of yourself in that moment that you can. It it doesn't mean, you know, it it doesn't mean that you wouldn't have benefit if you you have sex when you were 17, 18, 19, or whatever. But but Jesus Christ. Are you Marcus Aurelius over here? You went through that whole teenage years without bumping uglies one time? Right. Well, I didn't. I I didn't, but I'm not the fucking example of what you're supposed to do.
[02:19:57] Unknown:
I'm not When you were 18, how many 12. I'm, like, fucking 22. Oh, yeah, dude. I was 13. The more yeah. I was 14. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking 18 is probably, you know, more reasonable than 20. I'm gonna move it down some. But I don't know what the kids these days are doing. I hear that they're, more celibate than we were. Are they? They are. They are. I have a 19 year old son.
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Are you cool? Yeah. Do oh, by the way, my my 19 year old son got, like, legitimately drunk for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Not a problem. Funny as fuck. Like, legitimately
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drunk. Not like when his aunt fed him Mike's hard cider when he Objection. I challenge that it was the first time. It was just the first time you knew about dad?
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No, dude. It's Kit Tastes Kid's actually a really good kid, and they have a really open
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thing. He just tells me Isn't it weird how that works? My my daughter should too. Relationship.
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Yeah. No. He'll he he's he's overly forthright with me. Yeah.
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Like, to an uncomfortable level sometimes. I used to use that offensive over disclosure against my mom. They would teach her not to ask any fucking questions. Mhmm. Yeah. Well, that's Do you overshare on something you don't care about so she doesn't feel the need to pry into something that you do? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. No. It's a it's a, a, combat tactic. It is. But but no. I didn't like, I know I know for a fact that the first time I get my kid got drunk was because my sister got him drunk because he went and hung out with his aunt out of state, and she was like, hey. You know? We're all fucking lushes here in Illinois, so why don't you fucking pull up and have a fucking hard lemonade? You know? And he's like, what? What? Why? Why would I do that? Why? You don't no. Fucking don't be a puss. You know? Fucking sack up. Drink this shit. Faggot, what are you doing?
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The amount of social pressure it takes to get through your 1st alcoholic drink because it never is good. You're never like, wow. That was just awesome. You're always like, oh, oh, god. Mhmm.
[02:22:19] Unknown:
Yeah. I like it, guys. I like it. Your first beer. Right? Like but I don't know. The first mixture the first time I got drunk, it was, pineapple juice and Malibu rum. Like Oh. I was good with that. That's the bit. That I said I said I I didn't mean a bitch drink. Oh, well, no. It's fine. It is a bitch drink. I was also 13. So Yeah. I I I understand.
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Like like, I thought cactus juice was one of the first alcohols I ever bought. Yeah. No. Too.
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I think mine was Southern Comfort and Mountain Dew. So we're not that far off.
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Dude, I drank so much southern comfort when we were, like, 17, 18. That one was such an easy one. I remember I my best friend was Chinese. He was from Hong Kong, and we tried doing the Chinese flips while we were drunker and fucked. Only my, my wife What is a Chinese flip? Where you, you know, you do that thing where you roll up on your shoulders and kick up onto your feet. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. I thought it was like a shot or something. And, no. We were just drinking Southern Comfort, but we were doing it in the laundry room in this apartment building because my wife wouldn't let us smoke. That's the best. I already love this shit. I'm fucking so but it's a cement floor, and we're drunker and fucked doing this thing where you roll up on your and then try and flip up and not succeeding any of the times.
It is all bad. You wake up the next day feeling like somebody beat you at the baseball bat when you sobered up. Jesus god. You're talking about high school students
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and their experience with substances. There there there are some who are so afraid. And part of that is there might be a school policy that says you can't sing in the choir. You can't play on the football team if if you're caught drinking or using any of any substances. And, you know, I that might actually be to the great detriment of many young people.
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Yes. Absolutely.
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So so, enforcing, completely, sober life, straight edge all of the time forever because the the lack of ability to moderate or self moderate is is gonna be an issue. So even for the high school kids where there was a topic of should parents allow alcohol on their property, in their home, and for the friends invite a few friends over to have a small house party and then provide them alcohol if they so choose to drink it. Not forcing them, but making it available for them. Or is the fear of the parents because someone says, oh, I confess. I had a sip of, you know, a wine cooler or something at a friend's house when I was 13. Is the is the book the pushback from the government, other parent groups, you know, Facebook, snitches, and things. So great that it prevents anyone from having a reasonable experience of altered states of consciousness from an early age to understand what it's about.
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Will kids give themselves altered states of consciousness without alcohol? Frequently. Do you I You're talking about, like, cough medicine and shit? No. I'm talking about being fucking choked out till you pass out. I remember
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that. Oh my god. That was
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the gateway drug right there. Yeah, bro.
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Yeah. Don't you have to get a learner's permit before you can be autorotic?
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I no. Apparently not. Not in Indiana
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anyway, man. I don't know. Alright. No. You would have one guy lean over and huff real hard. Go.
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And then stand up while the other guy squeezing his chest, and then they just they're just out and you're like in a fucking cornfield, huffing fucking computer duster or some shit. Oh, man. The duster shit. Oh, when I was a fucking, like, 11 or something like that. They they put bittering agents in those. They even put bittering agents on Nintendo switch cartridges so people don't lick them. I mean, you know, everything is everything that was maybe a a day a possibility of danger has been, you know, sealed up because of legal implications and and push back. And
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and I should Now dudes are cutting off their dick because they don't have any struggles or or sense of danger in their life. It's just
[02:26:33] Unknown:
Yeah. I would also state though that it's because we're in a very feminine society. And so they to them, a lot of these guys, they had a very domineering mother. And to them, a powerful person is that woman. And so rather than wanting to grow up to be the man, the alpha for them is the woman because we're in a horribly feminine society. Yeah.
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Yeah. Probably. But yeah.
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Been overly feminized for 60 years.
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Safety should not be the priority on everything that it is. I think that there's a lot of value in learning how to manage your like, I got a fake ID when I was 15 and it worked great. And I can hold my liquor as an adult now. And I know not you know, it's just there's value in learning that shit before you can go to prison.
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I was I was, never had the fake ID, but I joined the army when I was 17, and nobody questions your military ID going into a bar back in the night you know, early nineties. Right? Then nobody they're like, oh, military idea. Go ahead. I mean, what you want? You know? So I freaking and and I I do agree. And I I practice that. I've got, you know, a bunch of bunch of kids myself and with all my kids. I said, you know, if you wanna do something, come home. I'm not gonna judge you. Talk to me about it. We're gonna we'll discuss what acts what the realities of it are, not the crap that they talk about in school, but also not the crap that your friends think either. And that way, when you if you decide that this is the thing for you, which I wouldn't have applied for any of the harder drugs, but, like, for, like, cannabis or something like that, If you decide this is something you wanna continue using, you're not gonna go, if somebody tries to hand you, like, some wet or something like that, you're gonna look at it, smell it, and go this ain't right. And now you're not gonna expose yourself to a very dangerous situation because you have that knowledge, that experience.
I think, I agree with Flo. It's these kids that can't got kept bottled up and weren't able to go through the natural progression at that younger age that now all of a sudden they're adults and they're able to do it and they overdo it to an extent that no experienced person would do. I agree.
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Well, that's sort of the book learning. If you have, DARE group in 4th grade, the, students against the sector decisions, these types of you know, the cop comes in and tells you don't do these drugs. If you think your parents aren't doing these drugs, let us know. That sort of thing. Mhmm. It's a greater topic of how are we to educate with the hands off approach so that the young people have a little bit of self experience with the things at their own pace to figure things out for themselves because that's really the only way for certain types of learners to learn anything.
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The way that I did it as a parent, and I don't recommend this course of action to anyone, but, I was, out of pocket before, I don't know, the first, like, 9 or 10 years of my kid's life. I was fucking reckless. I was a reckless individual. I shouldn't have been, but I was. And so now my kids have grown up rebelling against their parent. So they're all fucking straight edge. I can't wanna do any dumb shit, and they're like, oh, no. I'm gonna try and and and figure this out, without being a dumbass. So, again, I don't recommend that, but Ben will testify, and Christy will testify. I got pretty good kids now. I do.
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No. He he really does. His kids are real good kids.
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I've got the same my daughter was 5 when our house got raided for drugs, and she's a teenager now, and, like, I've never had any issues with her at all. I'm not overbearing. It's not a great lesson. It's a terrible way to teach a lesson, but, I do there is a lot to be said for for you know, you're raising kids to operate in the world on their own. And so overparenting or overprotecting doesn't let them learn how to do that on their own. It actually stifles it. It's it's it's the opposite of what I think the goal should be. So I've always had the approach, look, I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna fuck with managing your life if your life is managed, and that's worked out great. Yeah. She knows where the boundaries are. I started when she was young. Said, we can keep watching this TV show with Archer. We can keep watching Archer together, but if you cuss in front of your grandma, anybody at any adults at school or your daycare provider, we're done with it.
You know? That that philosophy has carried me through, and I recommend it.
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So are you an orthodox Christian now?
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I'm not.
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Why not?
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Are you an orthodox Christian?
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No. No. Not not not. We're also kinda trying we're more than kinda trying to pick a fight with the ortho bros. Oh, it's not hard. Yeah. It is. It's much harder than you than you would think. Yeah. Much harder than you would think. Suppose supposedly, I'm having a debate with Andrew, but he agreed to it back in October, like, the be like, beginning like, this 2nd week of October or 1st 1st or second week of October. And just basically man. And, we invited I we have we've Steve and I have both been over to, easy's channel to try and pick fights and invited people, and nobody will come pick fights with us. And I went on their channel and really had at it with them for for a day, and then that was it. You know, they won't.
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Actually, I I can hook you up with debates against Ortho Bros.
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Perfect. We would love that. What what they seem to want, though, and I may be viewing it, I don't know, recently and, like, in the isolated form, but I do because I don't immerse myself in it, a 100%. But it seems like they want, more red team, blue team kind of of arguments than anything that would actually push the bounds of of thinking or have them engage in anything other than pre prescribed talking points that land as zingers instead of, substantive debate. And and again I actually agree with that. New I'm new to that. I could be totally fucking wrong. I really could. And I I think that that's accurate. Like to be.
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Okay. I think there's some root to that.
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Yeah. It's like it's like, oh, yeah. You guys are dying to freaking debate retarded liberals. Awesome.
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Everyone wants to fucking kick around a liberal fucking idiot, dude. It's that easy, though. Yeah. That's so fucking easy.
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Like, if you can't figure out what a woman is, then you're not worthy of debating. Like, that's just the you you're already you're you're you're you're you obviously have, you know, lacking cognitive abilities already. So you're taking candy from a baby. What's up, Tim Timney?
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Good to see you live. Is that candy you you even want? Will you even eat the candy once you've gotten it from the baby? No. No. That's What are you gonna do with that? What what do you do with that? It it's like at some point, I guess, our our conversation went to the idea that there seems to be a cultural swing back for various reasons, which we could include in the debate. Why we think that there is the sort of swing back to a more, stringent set of rituals and a daily rigorous structure, probably because the amount of freedoms people have experienced has caused them suffering. So now they want to impose structure upon their lives to think that somehow that will lead to a different result. And maybe that's where we have the debate to say, do you believe that participating in an Orthodox fellowship, a group of men who are within the Orthodox Christian Church, that you will lead to a a better outcome. I don't think we're arguing that you're gonna have a worse outcome than what you're doing before.
We want to explore what are the reasons that culture itself in general, American cultures. So maybe the hedonistic western liberal sort of do what you wanna do. Libertine is the word I'm trying to say. Like, a libertine kind of thing where we've now got more more legalization of access to THC and alcohol and vapes and things from Timu and who knows what available for people. And they've tried some more.
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I I gotta tell you. How how did it go from hard illicit drugs to things from Timu and then you just stop? You're just like Right. That was the that was the
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your brain went your brain made a leap that I don't know what how that was a lot. Maybe I'm advertised certain Timu products that are really embarrassing to share with you all. There's a reason that you're getting shown pocket pussies.
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Yeah. Yeah. The the Timu fleshlight is not being advertised to 7 year olds. All kinds of massages. And let me tell you,
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those those wands from Timu, be careful with them. They do catch fire. They do. They do. And You know how the vibrators that look like microphones? Just watch it.
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Yikes.
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You don't even know if they're dishwasher safe.
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They're not dishwasher safe. They're not.
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Dude, it's something these girls really get into it. Could you imagine not figuring out that that shit's on fire till it's really on here's here's my black pussy, guys. Could you imagine white black pussy.
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Could you imagine needing a fucking baseball bat to find a glitter?
[02:37:21] Unknown:
Man. What the fuck, dude? Like, I don't I don't know. I need to I need to have my leg in a bear trap to come. I don't know about you, vanilla.
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Like like, hey. You're like, look, dude. I'm not here to kink shame, bro. I'm not. I'm not here to kink shame. I'm not All's I'm saying is need it in a bear trap, though, you should probably try getting punched in the back of the head first.
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All's I'm saying is is if you've been taking a baseball bat to that beaver that's got freaking looks like it's something for fucking Royal Rumble cage match, you know, with bumps and spikes on it. Got a Harley engine attached to it, and you can't knock to go do it. That's your fault. There's one of 2 possible situations
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that would arise from that. And one is that it's been beat up more times than Tina Turner.
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The other is straight to hell.
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The other is involved in this no matter what. The other is there's, yeah, there's there's a lot of fucking antianxiety meds involved that just, you know, fucking chemically castrated this chick. And she's on too many fucking drugs, and she can't come. Well, who is Max, and why is he so mad? Well, he he's mad because,
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dude, it's dark.
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Dude. But no. I mean, that really that's kind of what it amounts to. We've got generations of people on, literal empathy killing drugs. If you're gonna take away all of the fucking feeling receptors in a human being, you're gonna take away the pleasure centers in a human being as a side effect of that. So we've got a lot of people that are highly medicated and overly medicated and can't feel legitimate human pleasure anymore as a direct result of the medication that they're on.
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That actually that sounds pretty logical to me.
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It's, I mean, it's kind of written into the chemicals that they put into this crap, and they've done multiple studies over it over the last, like, 15 years. And now we have, a couple of generations, of women that can't come and as a result of it, want to run shit. They don't know how to fucking run shit.
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Like, I'm not I I know what it's It's good. It's straight up straight up. So women that couldn't get off, that was literally what the definition of hysteria used to be. And women would go to the doctor to get vaginal area massages, to get a release, to go to go and relieve their hysteria. Like, women and and it's a fact. Like, they act I don't know. It's something that media did in schools where they acted like men were the ones that are needy for sex. Oh, no. Women get women go without getting a without getting a piece broke off. They turn crazy. Straight.
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They'll take it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I'm not I'm not I'm and look, dude. There's people getting frosty in the chat. Frosty. But look, dude. This ad I'm not blaming women specifically for this at all. I love women. I love one specific woman, but but I'd you know? Her name is Russell. I her her name is Frederick.
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Got a very feminine penis.
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Yep.
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Yeah. It's a a It's a large quid. Quit being fucking disrespectful. Gated clitoris. Don't be judgy. Holy fuck, dude. We just met. You know, you said get put your shit in a bear trap. What the fuck? Judgey son of a bitch. What? Right?
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You need teeth to come. I just need a large clit.
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But have you tried teeth?
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I've never had a blowjob from Taylor Swift. No. I have not.
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But I guarantee all of us would take one if offered.
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Absolutely not.
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Okay. You have to say that because your wife's right there.
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If my wife wasn't there, I would say absolutely not. I am well past that age.
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That's not an age that's people grow out of.
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Okay. Look, man. Just between you, me, and Jesus, I don't want a a fucking flat ass white girl giving me a toothy blowjob. I really don't. I really don't. And that's and look at He did say how much he likes the chocolate. He got the jungle fever. I'd I I was born with jungle fever. I'd I fucking I I have parlayed that into, yes, a complete rejection of my man. Parlay. I don't know if it's a good one or right but Oh, it's accurate. It is. It is. I word good. It it may not look like it, but I word good. I do. But yeah. No. No. No. I I I don't I don't think that at least in California, you could date a white woman that will appreciate you in the modern era.
Ben got lucky. He did. He he backed himself he he bagged himself a white lady. But I also got lucky in that I have a smoking hot Mexican that about to be wife.
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So, you know And she's sometimes nice to you too. That's an extra bonus. More often than not live in my house. You know? So it's like he's got 2 houses in this. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I have a fucking escape hatch. I got a bro hole to fucking go to. A bro hole. That's what you wanna call that? Yeah. No. I was making the name that you settled on. It's a bro hole.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sounded like a doggy door with a little dog. Can't reconsider and maybe make it something less zesty. No. I want to make it that weird. Is there weather stripping around this? I'm trying to make it that weird on purpose.
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I am. Let's all get uncomfortable together.
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What exactly was it that was women's fault anyways? I forgot what got blamed on women. I'm not sure.
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Their, inability
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to think rationally. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I
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don't know. Well, we got that. Their fault. I don't know how to, you know Yeah. I don't I don't think anybody was blaming women for anything. Yeah.
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Yeah. No. We we we do love you. We do. For sure. So let let's be clear now. If there is a woman who's in charge of a press conference and she reads from a teleprompter and tells California Fire residents that they can get support by going to URL, and then she repeats that phrase again to tell people that they can get support by going to URL and people not understanding that that is a universal research locator. That's the placeholder for someone to put in the website into the text for the teleprompter. So when the woman, under pressure at a press conference in California reads the words URL and doesn't correct to say, oh, that's a website. We'll get those details to you further. She wasn't able to go off script.
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Oh god. That is so fucking raw and burgundy. It's awesome.
[02:45:11] Unknown:
So if any Yeah. That's that's pretty Joe Biden. I think that this we can throw out this example because we just had a president who Yeah.
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Dude, you know the hairy leg speech was not on a script anywhere. He told me But the but the hold for applause was The hold for applause was great. The hairy legs thing is wild. Dude, so wild. Like, I can't believe that was before the guy got president. I mean, it would be understandable if that one was on this newest run where everybody goes, oh, that guy's got dementia. Like, no. That was before he became president. You didn't realize then? You didn't listen to the hairy leg speech and go, oh, shit. And as as his handlers all turned off the stage and get him to shut up and stop telling that story. Like, fuck.
[02:46:03] Unknown:
Right. So do you ever wonder if this string of insane leadership failures is part of the design to say that, well, you know, in crisis situations, our leaders buckle under the pressure. Therefore, our fail proof system needs to be using a sentient simulation that we have on a server over here that's recreated the world and all the conditions for us to make a decision. And we punched in the situation, the numbers, and our output is, here's what we're gonna do. And because we believe that the computer is the best that we have in terms of giving us a decision, well, you can't argue with the computer. You can't argue with that. This is what the computer said. This is what we did.
No no no human gets fired or thrown under the bus in that situation anymore. I think we're being taught not to like our form of of, representative
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government, which I can't say that I'm a massive fan of to begin with is but, I do think we're being trained into the,
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the next industrial revolution. Democracy, though. This democracy that we've that we're being fed like it's a real thing now is absolutely nothing like what our country was founded on. Like and I understand a lot of people, and I do get people butt hurt, but weak bitch ass men should not be voting. Women should not be voting. Like and if we and you can distinctly tell the policy changes after both the, the men's rights movements and then the women's rights movements. You can tell the difference between the the and and in my mind, and I'm not saying that I don't think you should vote for. But in my mind, that's kinda what the epitome of, like, tonight's debate was where you have people that are willing to sacrifice the future for the now.
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No. You're retarded. You're retarded if you think that's that's what it's about. Yeah. For BLA. You're retarded, actually, if you think that's what that's about tonight. I I do think It's about your assessment of what is harmful is off. It's not about at all, like, oh, I wanna save this house and fuck up the future. It's that you don't understand how salt works compared to chemicals.
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It's it's it's that you're not thinking about that. No. I'm literally only thinking about that. You would that's why you would say it's a own a fucking house. I don't have any dog in that fight. Worst thing you could do. That is an insult to do something water. Salt.
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Salt is the worst thing you could do. No.
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It's the worst That's the biggest insult you could do to a people. That's how you kept them down for generations. Okay. I don't know what sort of generational trauma you're referencing, but if they had salt in the land became a saying.
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I understand that, but salt is not a toxin. So too much of anything is a toxin. What I'm saying is salt is not a toxin, but all these chemicals that are getting burnt down, those are. You're you're replacing it with something worse because we have them at our disposal now.
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I I'm saying just like you wouldn't drink salt water a week after being out in a ship because you're dehydrated because it would make it worse, I would not put salt water onto a fire even though I agree, FOBE, that the chemical for the worst things that there that is in the situation, I still would not then go make it
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further worse by doing something I know is purposely harmful to them. The idea is to put salt water on things so that you don't have them burning. It's not to come and salt the ground after it's already burned down.
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The the the the the the things burnt down, period. They there is no stopping that once they start going. The all you're trying to do Then what's the point of our do this. No. So you're saying that this whole debate is about whether or not we should pour water, salt water, and ashless? Live in Northern Cali. If your building's on fire, it's gone. They are trying to No. You're saying we just had an argument about whether or not we should pour saltwater
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on ashes.
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That yeah. That building's definitely gone. There that that there's no saving it. They are gonna just stop it from going to the next anybody else think that we were debating about whether or not to pour saltwater onto already burnt down structures? Yeah. And then that's gonna take that that that But I wasn't asking Ben. It was asking everybody else. And now pound that into the water table, and now that's on your land for the foreseeable future.
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Yeah. No. There there's a there's a cause and effect thing that Yeah. That it has been largely unconsidered Wow. Throughout all of this. And it's yes, of course, everybody recognizes the need to put out a fire. Nobody nobody's arguing that there are multiple different ways that humans have come up with over the last, I don't know, 140 years to deal with that. Lots of them aren't beneficial. So I think what we're ultimately trying to discuss is what is most beneficial, not what is immediately accessible. And then on top of that, we have the entirety of human history where people aren't pouring salt onto the ground because they have an intention of using that ground.
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You think that's why we haven't pumped ocean water on the fires throughout human history? Because we do that Yeah. Because you would like to grow shit thereafter. You don't think there might be an infrastructure or a capacity issue that maybe we didn't have a way to transport
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millions of gallons of water? Why would you ever wanna transport water that's gonna damage everything on the land? Because everything's on fire, motherfucker. What do you mean why don't you do that? Do it, bro? Then why don't they do it?
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Right? Same reason they started it in the first place. Because and we all agree that they didn't have the history, they have not done it. Okay.
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Because human history human history, they didn't have the ability to move that much fucking water. Are you kidding? Well, we've done it for a 100 plus years at this point where we've had aircraft that could do that. It's the that's not a part of
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CDF or any other like, I don't know. But unless you do know for sure you can demonstrate them. We're all stuck in the intent to do it because they guys got their going together.
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We'll have to do some more homework.
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Implement Saltwater is implemented as a mitigating and very, very minority part of the overall protocol for
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all of the modern era. Because all of our infrastructure is designed to move fresh water because when we're not fighting fires, we use we have an alternative use for it. The primary use actually is potable water. Let's let's continue
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let's continue your line of thinking. Why? Why are you using fresh water? Not because it's not because it's I just explained it. Hang hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Not because it's right there. Not because it's the most convenient, especially if you're in Malibu, and you have to go over an entire fucking mountain ridge in order to get there. So it's not because it's closer.
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It's It's not because it's closer. It's because we've got other uses, and it's less corrosive. It's less corrosive. They would make no sense to to build out infrastructure to fight fires that taps the ocean
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and have another system entirely used for everything else. Like an area where fresh water is a problem, it wouldn't make sense? Correct. It wouldn't? Well, why would you keep using fresh water in a drought stricken area when you have all this salt water right here? There must be another
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reason they don't use the salt water. Maybe there is. Crazy enough. Maybe there is, but you are speculating like a motherfucker. And if you think that that's the way to make the winning argument speculation. That's history, bro. That's all human history. What's history is that we couldn't pipe that much water everywhere throughout human history. That's what history is. And we didn't have massive cities. We didn't have massive urban areas that were that were completely covered in cars and industrial chemicals and, you know I've been waiting on that. Some of you motherfuckers need to stop doing so many dabs up there.
[02:54:34] Unknown:
Hey. You settle the fuck. Your brain is getting sticky. You just settle down. Do your own time.
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I did.
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What other topics of debate have been in your mind, Flo, that you haven't had a proper fight up against?
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Well, like like I said, lately, I've been debating mostly, or it seems that the most of the attention has gone towards, manosphere topics because I just I just learned that I'm white pill apparently.
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Well, that might be a racist term that's being used against each other. You know what?
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It might be, but Sure. Yeah. I don't I don't have one, actually. It's not that one. Black shows. Yeah. I did. Yeah.
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They might be suddenly talking shit, you cracker ass. We had we had some struggles in in arranging,
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nuanced conversation about reparations and
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from who to to whom and which direction money might flow. And It's it'd be interesting to get somebody who's for reparations to go through the actually, pretend like a thought exercise. Pretend that that it's already been passed and granted. Right? Now figure out how to distribute that money. Who gets what's the cut points? How do you decide? What about people who who are who meet who are black but came over later? Like, just the
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the distribution you need. Has to pay for it? Should it be the general taxpayers or just the family that you can trace back that owned those slaves? Because What about slaves of other races? Right? Yeah. What about the Irish slaves? 100%.
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Slave labor from, inmates. Right? Like, I mean, it's just, like, once you start unraveling that ball of that ball of wax, I guess you don't unravel wax, but you get what I'm saying. You stick it in your ear and don't listen to not have That's true. Yes. Are we ever gonna talk about
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the more than 5 minutes an hour?
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Dude, Korea had the longest unbroken chain of human slavery in recorded history. The Koreans did. I did not know that. Everyone can go look that up right now. 1400 years of uninterrupted
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human slavery. That's a long ass time. Did that continue into their pop music program? Yeah. Is it still today? Right. Is it still going on today?
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Slavers be slaving be slaving.
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I mean If we're gonna go ahead and look at any particular group of people, you would have to start there. If you were like, hey, that's really messed up that you thought you could own people, you would have to start with the Koreans and then you would go to the Barbary pirates and then you would go to the Dutch.
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I think if we wanted to be real that, like, I and again, I'm not gonna hold anyone to this because I like to have debates, but, if we wanted to be honest with ourselves about it, we wouldn't even anybody who's buying shit off Timo and Wish don't really have any validity to criticize slavery.
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Are you talking shit about Marcus?
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If the shoe fits, man. I'm just saying. Hey. No. I I say I don't buy things from I don't. Listen. But how do you know what they're advertising to you? Because they keep Indonesia. Because they keep showing of the advertisements. My 12 year old at a sweatshop.
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I I actually don't I I don't disagree with Flo at all here. I did. My thing for fucking years now has been if we want to actually get out of the culture that's been forced on us, we have to change our fucking consumption model. If we don't change our consumption models Mhmm. Then we're doomed to reacting to the culture that's been forced upon us as opposed to creating the kind of culture that we would like to live in. It's incumbent on all of us to create the culture we want to live in.
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That sounds very threatening to dollar store, Steve.
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What? That sounds very threatening to dollar store. Yes. It is. It's directly threatening to the Dollar Store. I am anti Dollar Store. I am. I don't think it should be the grocery store for people in rural communities. I don't. And it is. It is. It is.
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Frozen meal from a Dollar General.
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Dollar General.
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Dude, they took over the Midwest. They're if your town's got 12 people in it, there's a fucking dollar store at the end of town.
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Yeah. Not even in a town. It doesn't have to be in a town. It's
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intersection where traffic will be, and there'll be a Dollar General there. But it doesn't have to be that way. It doesn't. It really doesn't. It's a Dollar General with 1 human employee. Just to lock the door down.
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Balderson here is a living example of the fact that it doesn't have to fucking be that way.
[02:59:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Why? You don't go to Dollar General?
[02:59:45] Unknown:
No. I I live off grid. I built I built my home. I built my farm. I I milk my cows. I grow my food. I I make my own You don't wipe your ass?
[02:59:57] Unknown:
No. Yeah. Occasionally.
[03:00:00] Unknown:
Do we wanna tell them about the 3 seashells?
[03:00:03] Unknown:
Yeah. The 3 seashells.
[03:00:06] Unknown:
Demolition, man. I don't know what that is, and I'm fine not knowing.
[03:00:11] Unknown:
You don't know about 3 seashells? You You you've never been into a bathroom and seen 3 Goddamn Neanderthal?
[03:00:17] Unknown:
I know if I ever see 3 seashells, I think that now I know just to leave. Whatever's happening in there doesn't involve me. I'm not a part of that. I'm not supposed to be here.
[03:00:27] Unknown:
Shit. He's like, I'm gonna go find a bear trap somewhere in a hooker. The star seed girl.
[03:00:37] Unknown:
Hell yeah.
[03:00:38] Unknown:
That that homies conference, I'll be I'll be pissed if I, like, show up and I'm ready for the for the crystal bitches, and then there's, like, just nothing.
[03:00:49] Unknown:
It's oh, hell no. That dude that whole room is gonna smell like patchouli in high school pussy that's been coming all week.
[03:00:59] Unknown:
Okay. That's not a good way to sell that either.
[03:01:05] Unknown:
Like, you go to any of these festivals out here, they have a distinct scent. There's just a no doubt about it. I see. And I will not
[03:01:15] Unknown:
What? I don't know. What? That's wild.
[03:01:18] Unknown:
I think I can buy something on a team that goes in my nostrils to to help with that situation.
[03:01:23] Unknown:
You, you you don't need to use goats for fire prevention. Goats are fire prevention.
[03:01:30] Unknown:
Yeah. They they they
[03:01:33] Unknown:
their natural state of being is making it so that you have a defensible space.
[03:01:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I I every year and, there's videos on my channel about this. I walk around. I go around the whole perimeter perimeter of my farm, and I take some cutters, and I cut the dead branches. And the goats will eat about 5 feet into the underbrush, And then I go cut the dead branches out and rip them out and go burn them, and then the goats continue on. Burn. Yep. And my when I first got this place, it was so overgrown. There was a water tank about 50 feet from my house. It took us 3 months to find it.
[03:02:13] Unknown:
I can I can Wild? Personally I can personally attest to this. Earlier in the show tonight, we talked about when I had to evacuate from the Santa Cruz mountains because it was being burned out. I went to Balderson's house. It was literally, what, 2 weeks after you bought that place?
[03:02:35] Unknown:
I hadn't even I wasn't even here. I told Steve, like, because I was trying to gather my stuff to move here, and I'm like, well, I'm not there, but you can go ahead. Here's my address. I don't know I don't know what's there. I don't know. I was here. Yeah. Christy was here. Yeah.
[03:02:51] Unknown:
Yeah. And it was it it was, completely rewilded. I'd
[03:03:00] Unknown:
you know? And Probably because it had never had saltwater on it.
[03:03:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Never had the opportunity to get fucking strangled. You're right. White white man strangled. You're right.
[03:03:11] Unknown:
White white man's tears. Yeah. Yeah. What what what was that commercial with the native Americans standing on the precipice looking down at civilization and just crying and saying, you know what? Oh, the littering thing? Well, yeah. It's just that's kind of the concern that with the industrialization of suburbia, all of that stuff, all those McMansions, all of that requires such a precision level of maintenance to keep all the wires from running and all the all the gas lines to work and everything. Anything that just goes bad, 1, 2, 3, that's like maximizing the amount of uncomfortableness you're gonna live in your McMansion when your HVAC doesn't work and then your gas oven doesn't start up and then you don't have Internet. It's like you're trapped. You're trapped around concrete.
[03:04:07] Unknown:
So Yeah. We didn't watch it. We didn't have any Internet. We used to fucking Steve and Steve and I, when we go to do interviews, you have to drive about 45 minutes, and then there's different pull offs where it's like, oh, yeah. You get phone signal at this one, and we even know which pull offs they are, kept track of them. I got Starlink now, but
[03:04:28] Unknown:
one of the weirdest fucking interviews I ever did in my entire fucking career of doing this. I was on the side of Alder Point Road, near Ben's house, and it was me, Scott Horton, and William Ramsey from and William Ramsey is pretty fucking legendary. Horton's legendary in in libertarian circles and shit like that. And I'm quite fucking literally on a hillside in a windstorm with this microphone, with this one in my hand right now, trying to have a conversation with people who are I mean, hugely more important than me, who have a lot more to say. And it was did it work? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It worked great. It was a fantastic show. And then, like, 3 days later, I I was talking to a a friend of mine who, lives in or, until recently, lived in Syria.
And I'm trying to have, like, a a, you know, a super serious conversation. What's going on in Syria? It was, you know, 2020. There's serious shit going on. And Some serious shit going on. Come on. While I'm doing that, there's a fucking homeless guy wandering around in the field behind me because I'm in a meadow in Garberville in the parking lot at the store with no. No. No. Hang on. With an inverter plugged into my vehicle with an extension cord running out of it to where I could plug in my laptop to a power strip so I could also plug in my camera and my microphone. And so I'm sitting at a fucking picnic table, and there's a home bum behind me foraging.
[03:06:44] Unknown:
Hey, brother. I'm a diabetic. I need a cheeseburger. I hate you with that one. Everybody needs a cheeseburger. Everybody needs a cheeseburger. The town the town I tell you you hand them a cheeseburger, then they're fucking pissed.
[03:06:57] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Like, I wanted money.
[03:07:02] Unknown:
Like, you don't get how the you don't get this interaction we're having here? You think I need food?
[03:07:08] Unknown:
Fuck. Look over there around the corner, bitch. There's 3 bags of groceries. I wanted money.
[03:07:16] Unknown:
Dude. To give him a cell phone with Bitcoin on it? Man, they've got
[03:07:21] Unknown:
they they've got 4 cell phones each, and they're charging them all off the light pole.
[03:07:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, uh-uh flow state drop your email in the private chat or a way to contact you II would like to invite you on my show. Let's let's talk more
[03:07:39] Unknown:
sounds good. I'm down. Here's my email. And, above there, a few comments up, I put my, 2, YouTube channels, FlowSate and Podcast. And my email is linked. If you lose my email, my email is linked on the about tabs of my channel.
[03:07:56] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. We would like to join you on your quest against the manosphere and the the,
[03:08:02] Unknown:
ortho bros. I'm gonna need you to swear an oath of allegiance to me, but then then we're good.
[03:08:11] Unknown:
That will probably not happen.
[03:08:13] Unknown:
Okay. I just I need you to tie the 5% then. I I I need comfortable with cussing.
[03:08:19] Unknown:
I'll send you a good. I will. I'll send you a t shirt. And that's what I got. Okay. I'll accept t shirts.
[03:08:29] Unknown:
Marcus went to evangelical Christian College, and he is a Christian evangelist.
[03:08:35] Unknown:
It is true. Yes. Is it? Mhmm. Yeah. And I was gonna say, I think God spared was it Pepperdine University there? Like, the fire just stopped right before the college. Yeah. On a map in California. So there is divine providence.
[03:08:49] Unknown:
He actually has a favorite Christian band.
[03:08:52] Unknown:
A multiple Is it DC Talk?
[03:08:54] Unknown:
No. It's not. But I have a favorite Christian band too. Creed. Mine's striper, personally, but I'm old school. I
[03:09:07] Unknown:
have I ever I've never heard of striper.
[03:09:09] Unknown:
Have I ever told you, Marcus, about seeing DC talk?
[03:09:15] Unknown:
When did you see them? What what era?
[03:09:18] Unknown:
89, 1990. Is that, like, Free at Last tour? Something like that, man. Yeah. Something like You have they had they hung out with Billy Graham? He's ahead. At that point? Yes. No. But this was the we hung out with, like, Amy Grant era.
[03:09:33] Unknown:
Oh, sure. Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna lie. Jesus freak still goes hard. That song slaps.
[03:09:39] Unknown:
It's great. Yeah.
[03:09:42] Unknown:
It's great. Well, you are wearing the Nirvana band. Fucking dead. I am oh, yeah. Yeah. So you would appreciate music that references Nirvana heavily. I'm from the golden era of of new metal. Mhmm. Nobody can tell me anything other than 1998, 1999 was the best years of music ever in human history. Not true. But There's no metal produced in the late nineties. New metal. I'm talking about corn, limp biscuit, old slipknot, orgy.
[03:10:11] Unknown:
You're talking about gay stuff?
[03:10:14] Unknown:
It's not gay unless you want it to be. Or g. You're trying to tell me Fred Durst and gay. Favorite transmissions. Are you on Andy? You're gonna hold that Look. I'm not I'm not gonna stand on such on such unsolid ground.
[03:10:31] Unknown:
Look, man. I'll I'll have I'll have a a music conversation with you all all day long. So I think we're having I'm not even gonna fucking deny that there wasn't a pioneering era of a genre of music that people hadn't been exposed to in the late eighties or sorry. Late nineties, early 2000. There was. And and, yeah, people are still hooked on that shit. But let's be honest. It's the, don't waste your time on me. There's all of having a voice inside
[03:11:10] Unknown:
my head.
[03:11:14] Unknown:
Era, bro.
[03:11:16] Unknown:
When I was in when I was in college, I so I don't I can play drums kinda, but when I was in college, I decided that I wanted to learn how I taught myself 3 songs in guitar because, I figured if I can't get laid after 3 songs, then this isn't this is not gonna work out with this chick. Right? Song. And one of them was Adam's song by Blink 182.
[03:11:34] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Dun, dun, dun. You don't need to You should've learned? You should've learned Annie.
[03:11:40] Unknown:
Annie? Yeah. Which ones? I don't remember which one that is.
[03:11:44] Unknown:
Annie. Annie.
[03:11:46] Unknown:
Amy. Amy. My bad. If if you can pull up to a campfire and pull off Amy, then you're getting laid. You are. Let me let me let me prove it to you. It's the pure prairie league. The Pure Prairie. Okay. I'm gonna look it up. The Pure I'm I'm pulling it up right now, dude. I got you. I got you. If you can pull off the intro, that's all you need. The intro in and of itself is an instant panty dropper. If you can't nail it, you ain't getting laid. But if you can, my dude, you're fucking swimming in it. You are. Let's, I'll show you right now.
Where where here we are.
[03:12:51] Unknown:
I don't know. I'm already I'm already skeptical.
[03:13:03] Unknown:
I can see why you think you belong with me. I never tried to make you think I'd let you see one thing for yourself.
[03:13:17] Unknown:
But I'm not singing with it.
[03:13:20] Unknown:
You don't know words. Well,
[03:13:23] Unknown:
that's why it's important for me to choose, songs that had distinct guitar tracks.
[03:13:29] Unknown:
Also, anything by John Denver. Amy,
[03:13:33] Unknown:
what you wanna do?
[03:13:36] Unknown:
I mean, if you if they would if there's singing involved, I could see how this would work, but, yeah. I'm not I wasn't gonna I could I could get laid without singing songs. I just thought that having a guitar, trick up the sleeve might help. Oh, it's a prop. It was a prop. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I I can I yeah? No. I got you. Yeah. Yeah. So Adam's song, I learned, like, just that one and then, Come as You Are by Nirvana. Don't know. Don't know. And then I don't remember what the third one was. I always forget the third one. But, yeah, it was things like that to where I could I can pretend like I can play the guitar long enough to get props for being able to for being a guitar player. Right? Okay. Okay. Well and then yeah.
[03:14:18] Unknown:
I you're, you know, clearly younger than than me. But Nirvana works and shit, dude. If you got pipes, can you sing the can you sing?
[03:14:35] Unknown:
No.
[03:14:37] Unknown:
No. Can you yell into a microphone with relative tonality? Because that counts too.
[03:14:47] Unknown:
I don't know. I don't know. That's unexplored territory.
[03:14:51] Unknown:
I mean, you got to admit smells like teen spirit was like the rock version of mumble wrap.
[03:15:00] Unknown:
You're just being stupid and contagious. Stop that.
[03:15:05] Unknown:
Kinda. Look. I'm I'm not even, a Nirvana fan. I I'm a Alice in chains and, Soundgarden dude. Like, as far as vocalists go, there's nobody better than Chris Carter. Know if anybody can be anti Alice in Chains, though. That's like,
[03:15:26] Unknown:
you know It'd be pretty hard.
[03:15:29] Unknown:
It's we could you gotta you gotta wake up a hater. Yeah.
[03:15:34] Unknown:
You know like you're just waking up mad at the fucking world. You know if Neil Young can make it with his voice, then I can make it with mine no matter what it sounds like. Neil Young's songs sound great as long as somebody else is singing them. I know. I love Neil Young's music, but if you Yeah. If this was your homie and you heard he's like, hey. You wanna hear my song, which is always a no, but you say yes anyways. Right. You'd be like, dude, your singing is not your thing. Yeah. You, the ACDC guy, Yeah. The guy from James Addiction. Some of you guys need to just go fuck off for a while. Play drums. I I will I will push back on the Perry Farrell
[03:16:13] Unknown:
there. Jane's addiction wouldn't sound like Jane's addiction if it wasn't for Perry Farrell. And you can't listen to the mountain song or stop or anything with without, like, Joe I always sometimes forget will speak.
[03:16:32] Unknown:
Was by and stuff and did the whole punk thing with the with the other, you know, by dudes. Not full of it. Did you have the snake bite lip rings? Yeah. I forget about that.
[03:16:43] Unknown:
Yeah. No. We what what we did is we Like, we set things with the but also dicks too. That that was just part of it. It was. Yeah. It helps the music sound better.
[03:16:56] Unknown:
Dick in, dick out. You can't be a full immersion
[03:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. In the scene and the culture.
[03:17:03] Unknown:
We couldn't all be like Ben where we we went and signed up for a service for the state.
[03:17:10] Unknown:
And then I you know what? It was not my brightest day. I was extremely hungover. I gotten very drunk the night before. I wasn't sure what I was signing. Were you still drunk?
[03:17:23] Unknown:
Did they promise a free trip to Germany? Yeah. Or so you had to do that shit too. You had to join the army. Didn't you have you were 17. Didn't you have, like, a full like, I don't know. At least a few months to where you could be like, just kidding. By the way, I'm not supposed to be here.
[03:17:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, then at the honestly, so right I signed up when I lived in South Dakota. And so they set me off to go off to boot camp when my senior year ended, but I moved to Minneapolis. In Minneapolis, it has, like, a 3 week, longer school year. And so when my time to deploy came, they're like, listen. And I told them, I'm like, well, I'm not out of high school yet. And they're like, yeah. Well, you're now. Or you can get a dishonorable discharge. And this honorable discharge is no joke on your paperwork that follows you throughout, throughout life.
And so you bet I didn't even graduate high school. I actually dishonorable district like,
[03:18:24] Unknown:
how is that impactful? I mean, I've I've I've got a felony. So I get federal help for nothing ever again.
[03:18:34] Unknown:
You are never getting help for nothing. You're a disgrace to the community. You're never getting put on a list. You're never getting in any housing. Never any of that. You basically that is the one of the worst black marks that you can get on your record that's gonna stay there as a shining star for the rest of your life. I didn't get, I I came back after, after I went through AIT. I got my GED. I never did, actually fully graduate high school.
[03:19:10] Unknown:
Well, that's good news. You could say you've got your GED or your diploma, and probably nobody's ever gonna look at it. Yeah. Nobody's ever asked. Ever one time.
[03:19:21] Unknown:
I gotta bounce. You guys can hang out as long as you want. I don't but I gotta I I gotta drop off.
[03:19:30] Unknown:
It was good talking to you. Well, I can't stream. You're gonna keep going. Are you gonna keep going, Flo?
[03:19:36] Unknown:
Not right now, but I'll be back. If you guys are still up, I'll be back, a little later tonight.
[03:19:42] Unknown:
I got, like, 2 hours
[03:19:44] Unknown:
left in me is all. Yeah. No. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm not gonna continue right now, but I I've got something scheduled for, wow. It's later than I thought it was. I'll be back in about an hour, back on with another stream, but I'll probably come over and join you when you, when you go do that. You got my email. Right? I don't, but, I don't.
[03:20:07] Unknown:
I'll figure it out. Well, after we say good night to Rockfin and YouTube, and are we streaming anywhere else?
[03:20:15] Unknown:
Yeah. We're on Bitchute and Odyssey and,
[03:20:21] Unknown:
I think that's it. I think Yeah. We're, we're from that era where we were very anti, jibbyjab and anti, the response to the things. And, you know, we were banned very early into it and shut down from YouTube, taken off. So we have very large, like, Steve's rock fans giant, but it's YouTube but our YouTube is just rebuilding.
[03:20:49] Unknown:
I haven't had a YouTube since 2019, man. Really?
[03:20:54] Unknown:
Yeah. We're try we're trying to go rebuild into YouTube because then the problem with these alternative ones is, you know, it's a limited space, and YouTube's the big pond. But you also with, having issues being demonetized and, you know, you've you've experienced all the same bullshit. You know? You know what we're going through.
[03:21:15] Unknown:
Yep. You know? Yep. Do you I've that's why I've got 2 channels. 1, FlowSafe, my main one just gets I get my monetization keeps getting fucked with. I am I am less than a month away from well, I'm, like, 2 weeks away from being eligible to reapply, but, also, my other channel, the powder dusty that I'm pushing forward, that's getting close to. I just need a few more subs, a few more watch hours.
[03:21:36] Unknown:
That's where we're at. We're trying to build the subs up on this, but we're also trying not to make the ties back to our old stuff because we're trying not to get that black mark, you know, brought here. And so we aren't really dipping like myself. I understand.
[03:21:53] Unknown:
I'm the black mark.
[03:21:55] Unknown:
I am. Uh-huh. I really I mean, your car got lit on fire in someone's driveway. We that's for sure. I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty YouTube toxic.
[03:22:04] Unknown:
Well, Steve Steve worked for the mainstream media there for a while too until he did things like try and write an article and have it produced for, what was it, the New York Times that said, Omaha
[03:22:16] Unknown:
The the nation. The nation. Yeah. Yeah. And it was titled, Hold on. Hold on. Do you I don't do I want you to say the title while I'm streaming to my, camera? You're fine. Yeah. No. It was the the article I I tried to have published that I was fired and fucking kicked out of that whole world for was, I wrote an article called Barack Obama Reagan with a tan. In
[03:22:49] Unknown:
2,007.
[03:22:50] Unknown:
And they said no more.
[03:22:52] Unknown:
This this is the fastest way to piss off everybody. Everybody hates you now. Yeah. He did that one. Who is your target market for this?
[03:23:01] Unknown:
Yeah. He did that when Obama was Jesus, you know, when everybody thought he could do it all wrong.
[03:23:07] Unknown:
I I was trying to do the world a favor.
[03:23:11] Unknown:
I was. And instead you fucked yourself.
[03:23:14] Unknown:
In hindsight, turns out I was right, and they were assholes. But, you know, it did. No. I I was effectively blacklisted for, fuck, dude, a decade or more. I couldn't get a job with any publication, and this is in the early era of being able to write on the Internet. Mhmm. You know? And I had got hired as a part of the nation's, election year blog team. It was the first time they had an Internet presence ever. And, ultimately, the guy who gave me my walking papers was Chris Hayes, who went on to have very successful shows on MSNBC and all that kind of shit. Confusing him with Chris Hanson. You're not talking about Chris Hanson. Yeah. No. Not the to catch a predator guy. The guy who looks like he should have been told to sat down by Chris Hanson for a 2 tetra predator show.
Yeah.
[03:24:20] Unknown:
Those wine coolers were for him. I'm just saying.
[03:24:24] Unknown:
Look. Bartles and James goes a long way.
[03:24:28] Unknown:
And then and then Steve, you know, might have knocked somebody else on his ass, you know, that was also a big time person. He also might had a reputation for having slept with, Jimmy Dorr's right hand man's girlfriend. That have, like, some things going around. He's had some black marks on him. Oh, man. You're looking for trouble. No, dude.
[03:24:51] Unknown:
Is better about me too. There's a great song by Todd Snyder. If you're not familiar with Todd Snyder, one of the penultimate American singer songwriters of our generation, and he's got a song where the refrain is some of this trouble just finds me.
[03:25:14] Unknown:
Sounds like a excuse.
[03:25:16] Unknown:
Some of this trouble I earned.
[03:25:18] Unknown:
You know?
[03:25:21] Unknown:
And so I'll admit that some of this trouble I earned, But some of this trouble just finds me, man.
[03:25:27] Unknown:
Some of it does. He legit didn't sleep with dude's girlfriend. I I legitimately did not. Did know any time that that chick was at a show with Steve, she was giving him the fuck me eyes like you wouldn't believe, and it looked really bad to the point where even Christy and I were watching and we'd be like it looked and they might stab Steve when the show gets over. Yeah. You know?
[03:25:50] Unknown:
So if you're getting blamed for it, you might as well just do it.
[03:25:54] Unknown:
Well, you know, fate and distance prevented that.
[03:25:58] Unknown:
When you see cheese and a mousetrap. The the living La Vida Loca, even Steve has limits for the amount of crazy he'll stick his dick in apparently.
[03:26:08] Unknown:
That's fair. Mhmm. That's fair. That's fair. Well, you know?
[03:26:14] Unknown:
Alright. Those are self imposed limitations. If you really wanna succeed in life, you need to bust through those barriers. Don't hold yourself back. Have a fantastic night. Flo, I'll be getting a hold of you. Please do come on the show. You guys hang out as long as you fucking want. I'm gonna dip. Ben or Marcus, please, hit me up on Telegram
[03:26:34] Unknown:
when you're clearing out. No. Go ahead, and you can end it, on the screen. Whatever it is you can do, and then we'll go hang out with Flo in, like, an hour. I don't know if Mark is gonna but I will, I guess.
[03:26:45] Unknown:
Alright. Good to meet you guys.
[03:26:47] Unknown:
Yeah. In that case, we'll see you next week. Love you guys. Juniper.
[03:26:52] Unknown:
Do we say see you next Tuesday deliberating dudes?
Hey Dudes
Guest Introduction: Brian Tseng
Fire Destruction and Recovery
Debate on Using Saltwater on Fires
Environmental Impact of Saltwater
Alternative Community Perspectives
Insurance and Rebuilding Challenges
Debate on Fire Management Strategies
Cultural and Historical Contexts
Social and Environmental Implications
Personal Stories and Experiences
Discussion on Modern Society and Culture
Closing Thoughts and Future Topics
