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How do you build agency and resilience in a world that profits from your distraction?

How can we live with authenticity when everything feels fake?

What if the hardest parts of being human are actually just a result of cultural conditioning, quietly shaping your life from the shadows of your subconscious mind?

On today’s show, we go deep with my friend Josh Trent, host of Wellness and Wisdom. We’ll dig into the science behind epigenetic and generational habits, and explore what happens when you start asking better questions about your life and grow beyond survival mode. 

As Josh shares, sometimes we need to break down to break through. 

On this episode, you'll discover:

• The secrets to being impossibly productive while avoiding burnout
• How to redirect faulty inherited beliefs and rewire maladaptive emotional patterns
• How an addiction to pickleball destroyed a client's life
• And much more...

Connect with Josh Trent and his work at: 

• Website: https://liberatedlife.com
• Website: https://joshtrent.com/ 
• Podcast: https://wellnessforce.com/podcast-episodes/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@wellnessandwisdom
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joshtrentofficial/
• Facebook: https://facebook.com/wellnessF

Special thanks to Josh for generously hosting this conversation in-person out in his hill-country studio.

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[00:00:01] Abel James:

Hey, folks. This is Abel James, and thanks so much for joining us on the show. How do you build agency and resilience in a world that profits from your distraction?   How can we live with authenticity   when everything seems fake? What if the hardest parts of being human are actually just a result of cultural conditioning   quietly shaping your life from the shadows of your subconscious mind? On today's show, we go deep with my friend, Josh Trent, host of the Wellness and Wisdom podcast.   We'll get into the science behind epigenetic and generational habits and explore what happens when you start asking better questions about your life and grow beyond survival mode. As Josh shares, sometimes we need to break down to breakthrough.   Quick plug before we get to the show. Make sure that you subscribe to the Abel James Show wherever you get your podcasts.  

You can also sign up for my newsletter at abeljames.com,   abeljames.com,   to get the latest on our next retreat, our new community club in the works, live events here in Austin and beyond, and much, much more. So make sure to go to abeljames.com,   abeljames.com,   and sign up for the newsletter there to stay up to date. You can also join me on my Substack at abeljames.substack.com.   Look forward to seeing you there.   Alright. On this episode, you're about to discover the secrets to being impossibly productive while avoiding burnout,   how to redirect faulty inherited beliefs and rewire maladaptive   emotional patterns,   how an addiction to pickleball destroyed a client's life, and much more. And a special thanks to Josh for generously hosting this episode in person in his studio out in Dripping Springs just down the road. I hope you enjoyed this one. Let's go hang out with Josh.  

Oh, man. This is the absolute best. Alright. Everyone, thank you so much for joining us. We're here today with Josh Trent, a podcaster   extraordinaire,   the man behind wellness and wisdom.   And Josh is also gracious enough to host us here in his studio. So, Josh, welcome to your own studio.  

[00:16:34] Josh Trent:

Thank you, man. Thanks for having me. I'm really stoked. It's been such  

[00:16:38] Abel James:

such a gift to get to know you over the past few months, and, I've been aware of your work for years before that. But, like, I just love being in Austin right now, which has become this nexus Yeah. Of cool people who live here and have moved here, but also who are just coming through and doing podcasts like this, meeting up in person. And I think   the future   that we're looking at really demands that because we can't trust what we're seeing online like we could before. So let's start off with, you've been doing this for a minute. Yeah. Over 700 episodes.  

[00:17:09] Josh Trent:

How do you achieve something like this, you know, personally, professionally without completely frying yourself, burning yourself out forever? Man, I think that's part and parcel of the job. Right? Is to burn off the old identity or, you know, like snakes and nature shed their skin. Yeah.   I think it's part of it. I think that   we have to really break down. I'm gonna use a catchphrase, but it's not BS. I really feel it. We have to break down in order to break through. Yeah. I really mean that, like, in every way. I'm wearing   a alchemist, a philosopher's stone today for y'all watching on YouTube Totally. Yeah. And Spotify.  

And Young saw   the process   of identity transformation   as moving from lower self to higher self, but also honoring your current self. And so podcasting for me has been that in, like, a magnitude   tidal wave order. Like, when I started podcasting,   I had just broken up with a girl I thought I was gonna be with. Oh, man. This is 2034,   and then I launched in 2015. Yeah. I was, like, 80 k in debt. I just put my mom in a mental home for her bipolar disorder,   and I got fired from a safe corporate job.   So it was like everything health, wealth, relationships, spirituality like just hit me in the face. And I'll never forget this man. I was in San Diego   in La Costa and I was renting out a room for like $300 for my friend,   starting my podcast on a rickety ass plastic stand   about to interview John Gray, of all people, about relationships Yeah. When my relationship with myself was truly nonexistent, if I'm being honest. I I had ignored a lot of my somatic intelligence and my emotional intelligence for the far majority of my life. And so in Young's lens, I was really operating from my lower self attached to my current self. Now my higher self was calling me forward,   but in any identity transformation process, there is alchemization. There is galvanization where you put the sword on the stone and you slam it and you pull in the fire, and then that's what podcasting is. Yeah. And if people think they're just gonna, like, launch a podcast and see what happens,   good   luck.  

Good luck, man. That's a very small part of my story, but, like, that's the crux of it. It's like, I basically ask God, how do   I live my life well? Mhmm. Because I didn't wanna commit suicide,   but I was in that rental room with my buddy,   and I'm just like, god, what what do you want me to do?   What do you want me to do with my life? Because everything's not working. I'm angry at you for my mother's illness. I'm angry at life. I don't trust you.   Just a lot of anger. And if you look at the Hawkins scale, I was stuck in the survival paradigm at the bottom of the Hawkins scale. And so   podcast was and is still my alchemization process.  



[00:19:52] Abel James:

I love that. And it's so   similar to my story. It it certainly rhymes where   I had recently,   broken up. I had been engaged for a few years, lost everything in an apartment fire,   lost my health, and it had just kind of launched out of that with a little bit of momentum.   You know, so career changes, all this stuff, moving cities,   starting off the podcast. And I think the way that that works is if you don't fall into guru mode. Right? You stay the one who's the seeker and and the guide, hopefully, just just bring other people along for the growth. And so, Yeah. Yeah. Recently, as you know, I was in a serious car accident where I was rear ended just out of nowhere. Everything had been going well up to that point in many ways. And so, like, my nervous system was compromised, and brain took a hit and all that. And so   it's never something that you have figured out. You sometimes you need to build yourself back up, but the process of being, like, having my bell rung and having to go through speech therapy, but still   being on camera and doing podcast appearances and that whole thing. Chris Williamson, also a friend in town, has recently put out his episode about the health struggles that he's been going through. Lyme disease. Right? Lyme disease, and it sounds like a constellation of a whole bunch of other things. Epstein Barr and other just basically metabolic   mitochondria   related energy issues that I've also experienced with mold and things like that. But we were talking before we hit record about how when you have a podcast like this, and I think this is one of the reasons so many people stop, you have to wear those scars on your face, and you need to go through the hurt publicly   and still get the trolling. So how do you as a person manage some of that, especially having a high profile show for as long as you have, going through the things that everyone goes through as a human, you know, that the down parts included.  



[00:21:43] Josh Trent:

My podcast is free therapy. Yeah.   I mean, it's not free because there's a large cost to put it on Sure. And the cost of my life force energy, which is the most expensive thing in the world.   But there's no thing I truly mean this, Abel. I would not wanna do anything else than than what we're doing right now. Ever since I was a little kid, one of my earliest memories ever was, like,   why are you adults so angry at each other? What is all this interstitial tension? What are taxes? What is the government? I just knew. I think most of us do. We just know that something is off,   but we don't know what it is. And it's essentially the matrix   the matrix of control. This is not a tinfoil hat. This is a a scientific and spiritual truth. Yeah. Belief systems that are formed.  

Seven years back, the Native Americans have the seventh generation principle, where every single thing that happens seven generations before   you on an epigenetic level,   which epigenetics is so fascinating. I hope we talk about that too. Definitely. And then seven generations forward. So I look at my children and my children's children and my great great great great great grandchildren,   And I'm just like, okay. How can everything that I do it's a tall order. I'm not saying I haven't mastered yet because I don't. Sure. But I'm doing my very best to master it. I'm in this process of self mastery that allows me to speak from authenticity   in my role of the seventh generation principle.  

Therefore, the,   projections that I have, the wounding that I have, the addictions that I've had, all these things inherently served me because I was matriculated   these things by my lineage. They actually gave me these gifts. I didn't necessarily ask for them. Now if you look at some of the Eastern philosophy, maybe we do choose our parents, and maybe that's a very empowering way to approach life.   But for me, I've always taken the stance of, alright, if I knew something was wrong in childhood,   then how can I be its solver   as an adult? How can I be the solution to what I've always felt was wrong inside of me, inside of us, inside of society? And how can I do it in the most honest way publicly Mhmm? Which is fucking hard sometimes Yeah, dude. Because it involves me being open hearted. And when I'm open hearted about my truth and what I believe,   I receive attacks, you know, specifically my views on protecting children   from the mind virus. Paul Levy calls it WITICO, the Native American mind virus.  

And so how do I deal with it? I think I deal with it just like you where I move forward with love and with courage   even in the face of spite, even in the face of judgment. And you know what's funny is that's actually a mirror for my marriage.   It's the same thing. Right? If my marriage is up to be, it's my responsibility. If it's going to last, if I'm gonna nourish it, I have to be willing to stand in the fire with my wife Yeah. And experience all of her emotions and not take it personal. Right? Number two on the four agreements with Ruiz. Yeah. If I can truly live my life not taking things personal,   including audience members writing and being like, you're an idiot, f you, people posting on YouTube. You're fat, you're stupid, and I'm just like, hey. Thank you for showing me your wounds. Right? Because there's obviously a wound there for all of us. And if I can   touch someone's wounds, at least they know they're there. Yeah.  



[00:24:57] Abel James:

What I found too and and I don't advise anyone to really engage with the trolls,   is that   when I have, I've made quite a few friends that way. With the troll.   That's a that's a paradox. There are people who, you know, might be looking for attention, might probably are just looking for a reaction to see if you're even real at this point. Right? Are you AI? Yeah. Is this AI able? Yeah. Man, it's it's tough. If you're building your identity there on the Internet as so many people have, especially young young people,   it's that's a difficult way to live. So I think you're a great example of living   in alignment   with who you are instead of  

[00:25:35] Josh Trent:

having that separation as soon as the camera goes on. It's like, hey. I'm okay. Right? Your voice changes. The things that that your general state, your presence completely changes. We all know people like that who have that. Yes. So Interviewed many of them. Right. And it's always a shock too. Right? Isn't it? It can be. As soon as the mic comes on, it's like they put on a different mask. Yeah. And I'm like, isn't your arm gonna get tired? I'm holding that up. You're gonna have to hold that up forever now. And then the camera goes off. They're they're checking their phone. They're not interested. And I'm just like Yeah. Is this really you or not? Mhmm. You know? I think that's the question. How about why do you keep going? Because, like, with podcasting especially,  

[00:26:11] Abel James:

I know you said you you love it. Right? But are there other reasons? Because it must get hard, right, to keep going. There must have been times in the journey. So whether it's, maintaining   enough cash flow to cover overhead for the team or just, like, you know, the setbacks during the pandemic and all the changes that everyone needed to make. Like, what is it that really keeps you going aside from liking it? That must be  

[00:26:31] Josh Trent:

very mission based. Right? I respect that you said pandemic. I call it pandemic. Right. But I I respect everyone's I that's actually, that that's the answers to the question.   I respect everyone's views. Like, two realities can always exist and be okay as long as there's not judgment or condemnation of someone else's reality.   And so how do I keep going? I stick to my reality even when I'm faced with others' reality. I think that's the big one. So the reality that really honestly relates to our epigenome   is we're either wired for trauma or we're wired for trust.  

Right? On a on a very genetic level, there's the f k b p n five, I believe. And if I'm wrong, then, you know, shoot me. But there's this one specific gene that alters methylation,   and it's inherent in people that have gone through childhood trauma, but also traced back even seven generations scientifically through many publications.   How do I keep going? There was this study that totally relates to this, and I think you're gonna love it. 2014,   there was a a cherry blossom study with with mice.   And what they would do is they would shock the father mouse, and they would have him breed. And then they could check the hypervigilance and neural system response two generations forward when they would have the offspring smell the cherry blossoms. Now, why is that? This is so fascinating. It's like, duh, I think we all know this on some level, and it speaks to what I felt when I was a child. If science is showing us through this really powerful study on mice   that you can actually cue someone's epigenome to turn on and off methylation cofactors   that would make them more hypervigilant   just to a smell when they themselves didn't experience the trauma, just their parents did. How could that not apply to us as adults? And how could that not be in our epigenome? This is so fascinating.  

So that's how I look at life is like, okay.   I am a cycle breaker,   but not because I need a medal. I don't need public notoriety.   I don't need to be a hero because I'm healing my lineage. I don't really give a fuck about that.   All I care about is that we just love each other and that I learn how to unconditionally love Josh, my wife, my children, my audience, and everybody around me. Now that's a very grandiose phrase. Right? Unconditional love is like the hardest part of self mastery. But if we can start to unravel the science as to why we block ourselves from love   and   because it's actually not our fault. That's the big one.  

It's not our fault that we learned   through epigenetic trauma that our hypervigilance and the way we look at life where the shoe's always gonna drop or anxiety or depression.   Many times, I I would probably be suffice to say I don't have data on this, but it's probably eight or nine out of ten people that are dealing with some type of mental health issue. Right. That's where emotional epigenetics was born. That's where my life work was born. By me going through the transformation process itself, which I'm still in. So how do I deal with it? I deal with it by knowing there's a scientific and spiritual reason why I feel the way I feel and why I am able to love to the degree I do with myself and others   like I do. And I think for me, this will be a lifelong calling because it's so needed.  

It's so needed as to how we can love ourselves and love other people, not in some woo woo spiritual way, although it is spiritual.   But getting the science behind it and unpacking the science of epigenetics   so that we can start really understanding our emotions,   our emotional patterns, our our generational and conscious beliefs. And then lastly, dude, the big one   is our environment. Right? How do we nourish ourselves? I I in my courses and teachings, I have a model called the wellness pentagon, which is the nourishment of the five sides of self. And so it's physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and financial nourishment of self. Now what happens, and I'm sure you've dealt with this. I know y'all have dealt with this too. When we go to nourish one of these five sides of self, you know what we meet? We meet the stories that were self created or inherited as to why we can't nourish these things, but they're all a lie.   They're all a lie, man.  

We're not broken.   We're literally just burdened.   We're bio energetically burdened if you look at the science of bioenergetics.   And I think my role here on planet Earth, again, not because I need notoriety, I just want to heal it. I just want to get to the love. I wanna get to the good stuff   is to be a voice and to be someone who can be a shepherd of emotional epigenetics and and give people the understanding that no one's broken.   I think we've all been trained by society and by the hooks of modernity to believe unconsciously that we're somehow broken. I mean, look at the billboards in New York Square. Right?   Tits popping out. And look at Instagram and TikTok and just the war, the illusionary bifurcated war that's created by the puppeteers. It's wild, but once you see it, you can't unsee it. Right. It's like once you've awakened to the truth,   you can't live your life in a lie anymore. And so that's how I deal with it in in kind of a long winded answer, but No. I love it. There's a lot more there, but that's that's essentially how I deal with it. And that's another cool part too of having this episodic,  

[00:31:34] Abel James:

capture of your life over the years. And now you've been doing this for ten plus years. And you can see those earlier versions of yourself. And hopefully, you can see how you've grown and other people can too. You can see when you're wounded, when, you know, the place that you were living in wasn't ideal, when the stress was just like   Oh, yeah. Displayed to everyone   on your face. That sort of thing becomes a testament   to the fact that you persevered   and that you grew. And some of these things like hypervigilance, which I also   suffered from in younger years as a type a overachiever type,   person. These things serve you for a while. You're rewarded for it. They're a great deal source. Until you run out of energy and or until you're out of that life stage. And I think there's no use beating ourselves up for   essentially, what is a a response to trauma that happened to us, whether known or unknown,   what is adaptive in some ways. It's more of a process of, like, we have to go in there and clean it up from time to time, and life just throws it at us at at other times, then we have to clean that up too. It's not always your fault. Yes. You don't always expect it. Don't always know that it's there. But it is something that is all of our responsibility to keep on the radar   and   and go through that process, like you said, of identifying it, working through it, and then moving on. Even if that's public, sometimes we have to do that behind closed doors as well. But, doing it publicly also. I I Yeah. It's easier behind closed doors. I would love to do a lot of things behind closed doors. Like and that was a discussion that we had too, like, with my wife   when, after the accident and that sort of thing because I had a bunch of stuff scheduled. And it's like, I'm not at a 100%, like, obviously. I'm stumbling over my words and that sort of thing. She's like, should we hold the episodes? And I'm like, should yeah. Should we? I'm not at my best. Yeah. Or Yeah. Is it something that can be used as a as an example of what you can recover from   and, can be used later to kind of track progress? Because my goal is to come back to a 110%.  

I had a wiggle room before, which I don't have now, which will probably come back over time. But the goal is to let these setbacks become   opportunities to kind of launch even farther   to the correction on the other side, tightening up your lifestyle and that sort of thing. Waking up to see the sunrise, like nonnegotiable,  

[00:33:47] Josh Trent:

that sort of thing. Well and plus, how trustworthy is it that you're not preaching to your audience on a a pulpit Right. And and hiding your own insecurities, vulnerabilities, and health issues because they're dealing with them too. Exactly. Anything that I withhold, people can feel on, like,   a very nervous system level, neurosystem level. Right. You know, one thing that fascinates me about the   enteric nervous system, which is so wild, it has more connections than there are stars in the sky. Trillions of connections   in our enteric nervous system. Now this redox system is six feet. Isn't that interesting? During the pandemic, we were told to stay six feet away from each other.  

I find that the the somatic intelligence that you and I have, like, when we sit with each other, we're watching our micro muscles in our face. And if you look at Stephen Porges',   polyvagal theory, this is very deep on this.   The thing that connects us most isn't really our words.   It's our presence. Yes. The thing that heals us the most is you being confident in yourself and me being confident in myself to be able to share authentically   whatever the hell is going on. Yeah. Because most people are dealing with these things anyways, so why are we trying to pretend?   It's like we're gonna get really tired trying to pretend because you keep having to make up the story that you're holding on to in the future. I'd rather just be honest about my shit now   because then I can actually lead people from the people instead of to the people.  

It's just a different mindset. So I I value what you're saying because why wouldn't we share our stuff?   Why not? It's probably the most popular episodes. Right? Right. And you got to share your stuff.  

[00:35:24] Abel James:

So If it comes that way.   So for you, I mean, what are the things   on a daily basis that allow you to,   stay out of the reactionary mode where you're, like, deeply in the sympathetic, that sort of thing. I know that you're an expert and a master in breath work exercises and that sort of thing. But, like, what are Yeah. And and maybe we we could go through a little bit of that too. But what are the things that you use   when you notice that you're out of sync?  

[00:35:51] Josh Trent:

One of the biggest tools I've come across in the past year has been microdosing   psychedelics.   So there's a company called Golden Rule mushrooms,   and I love them. They're great. Golden Rule? I'm not an affiliate. They don't pay me to say this. Like, I'm not in business with them, but   it's amazing.   And so I'll take, it's, like, point two or point two five in the morning on an empty stomach before training session, actually. Because in training, you know, when we think about the word movement,   that movement is happening physically, but it's also happening bio energetically in our emotional system as well.   So anytime that I'm nourishing myself physically, it's actually feeding all the other four on the Pentagon.  

And that was something that I learned super on in super early in life. I found football in high school,   and I it was a way for me to get out my anger. I was so angry as a child. I'm like, my mom's got this disease.   Home is insane.   Dad is gone.   I just felt alone. And when you feel alone, I think the Teal Swan wrote about this in her book, The Anatomy of Loneliness.   The cover emotion for sadness is anger.   And even if you look at the Hawkins scale too, right, anger is much more powerful than despair. It was actually a really cool quote from a Terminator movie when he said that. And so when I found movement,   the way this relates to your question is that movement became a crucible for healing.  

Because when I move, I'm not only moving all the stuck energy in my fascia.   I'm not only getting my, you know, my muscles to fill with lactic acid and, you know, the sarcomere is expanding and all the scientific stuff that I love is just pretty cool. That's happening. But what's really happening is I'm moving all this energy in my body. And I can't tell you how many times after a good workout I've cried   or I've came to a realization about a shadow that I have.   Exercise is a spiritual   practice   that isn't talked about enough. I did it with our buddy, Dan Go, on the podcast from our Frontier Club Yeah. Where we talked about, you know, weight loss is actually a spiritual practice. Agreed. Because when we're letting go of physical weight and I know this firsthand. I used to be two hundred and eighty pounds.   When I was letting go of the weight, I was doing it from a very egoic perspective. So, of course, the weight came back on. Right? Because anything done from a self serving, selfish viewpoint can't be sustainable.  

The only thing that can be sustainable is peace and love. And really, what I believe in my teachings and my understanding is that any type of power has to come from peace.   Because if I'm wielding power from a place of ego or a place of me taking from you or taking from someone else, I have to keep that going, and it's exhausting. But if I can do the work in my neural tree and in myself emotionally through movement and through a couple other things that I'll mention, then I can really start to have a sustainable fuel source to lead my life where I'm not exhausted in a way.   Breathwork is big. I I started in 2016 with Mark Devine.  

He's amazing. Man. And, and then in 2021,   I launched the brief program where after, like, five years, I felt like I was good enough and skilled enough to teach others. And then, you know, like, over a thousand people signed up for that program, which is amazing.   And so movement and breath work that you know, we hear these things on podcasts and people listen to Huberman and they listen to all these shows. Yeah. You should be doing breath work. You should be doing movement. But I I take a counter approach. I say, it's not that you should be doing these things. It's show me the fruits of your life when you don't.   So it's a total reframe. It's like, yes, you could shame someone into behavior change, but you know this probably more than anyone. I mean, with the tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people you've helped,   the only sustainable weight loss can come when they've done the emotional   weight go. Because if you think of what's manifesting in the body, I mean, we're always manifesting twenty four seven.  

When I hold extra weight in my body, it's actually my body thinking it's not safe and that it has to hold on to lipids   in order for it to be safe. This is why trauma victims or or women, unfortunately, that have gone through sexual trauma, they'll gain weight afterwards.   There's a scientific reason for that, but I I think it's scientific and spiritual. I think that   our neural tree and our our entire system, the enteric and the somatic and the ANS and all the ways in which our electrical system works in the body,   we can't fake it. We can't lie to it. You know, we when we lie to ourselves, there's a a weight that's gained. When we lie to others, there's a weight that's gained. And then we start walking around in life with this box, and inside of the box is all the weight. And, of course, we have to have enough energy to carry this heavy box,   and that's where fat storage comes in. Right? Because fat is like the most massive storage unit on the body. So I think those two things are, like, ultimately paramount, but I can't stop my little spiel here unless I teach   what I know to be true from my own life and that is if I'm doing the work to be able to understand what I got from my lineage   and to have the maturity to do the inner work to let it go, that's the most important thing. You know, there's people that don't even work out and they have six packs. Why is that?  

People are frustrated like, you know, Sam can eat a pack of Oreos and grow an extra ab muscle. Right?   Well, Sam probably has a very clean conduit for emotional processing. Sam either unconsciously or consciously   has harnessed the power of emotional epigenetics   so that he can understand   when he's off. And he can do the work to reset his system   internally, which then shows up externally.  

[00:41:20] Abel James:

Yeah. He's   in alignment. And we've all seen examples of this. One funnier one that I saw recently is, basically, this meme, maybe you saw it too, of, like, why are homeless people and meth heads   healthier looking than your doctor? And it has all these doctors next to just, like, people live living on the street. And it's true. It's not always true, but it's just, like,   you think of the beach bum in California. Right? Who's literally living on the beach, whatever. Like, tan, skinny, probably six pack, like, smile on their face most of the time because they're living in alignment with nature. Now the meth doesn't help, of course, with any of this. That'll keep the weight off. It's fine. It might keep the weight off. In a healthy way. But I think the moral of the story is that we could all do some of these simple things to be better in alignment. And and oftentimes, nature can be our cue, and subtraction is the answer. Right? Like, everyone these days is looking for another podcast to listen to, another supplement to take, or another thing.   But, generally, you're going to find a lot more results come from dialing down the noise. Right? Yeah. And subtracting things. What are some things that you've Right. Gotten rid of that have allowed you to step through   the next stage of growth in your life?  



[00:42:30] Josh Trent:

This is gonna fly in the face of David Goggins,   but the thing that served me the most has been letting go of self hatred and self judgment.   Because self hatred and self judgment can be a lot of the reasons why some of the buildings in Downtown Austin even exist.   It's men that hated themselves and were so dissatisfied with themselves and felt so unworthy   that they use that as a fuel source to build skyscrapers.   And in a way, this is the paradox of life. Right? In a way, it was actually really beautiful because it created these awesome things.   But I think every human being has whether you use Joseph Campbell's hero's journey or the cellular return after seven years, however you wanna look at it, I think eventually we get to this point as a soul where we ask ourselves,   do I want to feel this way anymore even with the results of my life, even with the fruits that I've buried for others?  

Can it be sustainable anymore?   And quite frankly, I'm just gonna go for it. I saw a post from, I think his name is Carnivore Aurelius Oh, yeah. I know. That was on Yeah. Social, and he was talking about Chris Williamson. Mhmm. And he's like, look. It's very obvious if you look at Chris Williamson's YouTube video.   He's pushing himself to the ultimate max at all times. Yes. He's got a healthy body. He trains in the gym and everything.   But from an emotional standpoint, if you look at a lot of Chris's content, he's been going very deep into self love,   very deep into emotional intelligence, very deep into psychology.  

I think it's because in his soul, his soul is wanting rest.   His soul is wanting some reprieve of the absolute,   insane pace   that he's leading his life from. Now his podcast is massive. He's this is the paradox. He's serving so many people with such great information. It's not a judgment on Chris. Right? I've met Chris. He's been in my house. We all met him together. Yeah. But what I felt from him in person was just so much intensity. He was almost piercing my soul as he was talking to me. And in my opinion, no judgment on Chris, I don't believe that's sustainable for any of us. If we have such a high set point of intensity that we lead our life from, is there time for intensity? For sure. Right? But then there has to be rest and recovery.   Otherwise, eventually, the body will break down. And when the body breaks down, it's gonna happen in very serious ways. I mean, my own health journeys and your health journeys are probably a testament to this. Right? So I I I think that there's a real wisdom   in the public persona and the display of public persona that Chris is bringing Mhmm. That he may not even be aware of. He may be teaching people what he thinks he's teaching them, but we're all watching by his example.  

And we're and we're seeing the ways in which we can learn by not falling into the traps that he potentially has fallen into. Same with Brian Johnson, who also Same. You know, we've met. You know? And Yeah. It's like,  

[00:45:14] Abel James:

I think everyone has their own path, and everyone   also should be applauded,   for the courage that it takes to follow their own path. I think that that's   incredible what a lot of people are doing. But at the same time, yes, I agree. And I've I've been there. That level of intensity   isn't something that you can always bring. But when you can, when it's working, it's pretty cool Pretty amazing. Until it's not.   And Yeah. That   tendency to keep going and to keep doubling down. And once again, I applaud him for being public about this. It's something that when we experienced it in our life, we indulged in the romantic fantasy of running off to the woods for a few years and just kind of, like, living that way in nature, turning off the Internet for a year. Yeah. Disconnecting from social media and all of that. And everyone thought once more that I was crazy or said that I can't do that. Right? Like, no matter who it was, right, we're just like, alright. We're doing it anyway.   And we've done it a few times over the years. Because now as a couple, we've been, you know, working together   in the area of of health and podcasting, writing that that sort of thing for almost fifteen years. And so   you are severely   punished from almost every direction when you take a break, when you're an entrepreneur in this way or when you're a creator. Right? The algorithms   have   no mercy when it comes to, you know, shutting off the tap even for, you know, a few days, let alone a few weeks or a few months. Right? And then in your personal life and your business, that that sort of thing.  

Yet, we must do this. Right? Like, we grew up in a world where, we didn't have cell phones as children. We weren't reachable all the time. Yet we still, like, met up with friends magically and ran into people and and plans   came true and and stuff happened. And in fact, I think we were also more present back then. So we need to challenge ourselves to take those breaks. And even when everything's working, if you find that you check-in with yourself and you're starting to break down a little bit, that's the time to take the break. Because   if you don't, life will give that to you and make you take a break. Yes. Yeah. I mean, some dude, something tactical,  

[00:47:15] Josh Trent:

very well said,   that I've done. And I learned this probably, like, three, four years into entrepreneurship.   If I don't put time for Josh in my calendar, it doesn't exist.   I actually put in I bake into my calendar   time for me Yeah. And time for my children. Like, if you look at my calendar, it's color coded. It's like an analytics Same. Yeah. Analytics dream. Yeah. Personal time and family time is blue. Work time in person is red. Work time virtual is green. So it's like it's all color coded because that is the way I run my life. That way, I don't have to have the mental load and the cognitive load of trying to remember all this stuff. And that even includes time with my wife as well, like intimacy time or connection time.   Because, you know, if you don't make your schedule and your life a priority, whether it's going to nature or even taking two hours in the morning to move,   life will present you with people that are going to gobble up all your time. Oh, man. Right? This is Less than ever. Yeah. This is Parkinson's law. Parkinson's law states that the work will fill the capacity of the time allotted.  

And so that is true not just on a scientific level, but on a spiritual level as well. There's science and spirit at the table today if you didn't notice. Like, they're here because they're one and the same.  

[00:48:27] Abel James:

Yeah.   What about when you,   don't want to record that day or don't wanna do that work   that day? How do you separate the times when you truly take a break and a day off from the times when   your mind might be playing tricks on you and you kinda power through? How do you differentiate that?  

[00:48:44] Josh Trent:

If it's something like this, where we have something on the calendar or a guest has flown in, I'm whatever happens in my personal life, I pre frame it so that I'll be present, and I really will show up, like, rested. Like, I got my movement in. I did my sauna this morning, right, before we sat down because I wanted to be,   genuine, and I wanted to be present. So it's it's really the intentionality. If if we were to hinge one tool,   it's that the intention is actually 90%   of the work or the capacity to do whatever the intellectual thing is. So, yes, have your calendar. Yes, do your things,   but have a super clear intention. Like, my intention is just to share my heart, my message with you, and just connect with you as a friend.  

And my inspiration for that is that somebody will catch something I've said or catch something that we've created together,   and they'll run with it. And maybe tomorrow morning, they will move, and they will start to maybe somebody cries tomorrow morning after a workout. Great. I hope so. Great. Right? Like, John Demartini was on my show. He goes, any day as a human being that you cry is a good day. And I'm like, yes. Because look at the conditioning we've gone through as men specifically. I mean, I was born in East County La Mesa. Okay? Right. In the eighties Right. Which is like geriatric ward and then, like, who are you gonna hook up with culture? Not and and, like, geriatric ward and then, like, who are you gonna hook up with culture? Not and and, like, government cheese. I was raised on welfare. Like, talk about emotional epigenetics that we're not broken, that we are burdened.   I had unique burdens that we all do. Right? I'm not special in that way. We all have unique burdens.  

Those burdens are actually paradoxically,   they're kind of this guardian of our own growth,   where the more burdens that we have, the more we can actually rise to meet those burdens and eviscerate those burdens   so that we can actually be this whole complete beautiful strong being.   And it's like such a beautiful concept that I didn't grok for a long time, Abel, because I was the victim of my circumstances.   And when I started podcasting, it was so rough. I I remember I was in Encinitas   renting out a a one bedroom apartment   two bedroom apartment.  

And I had my bedroom, and I rented out the other side because I couldn't afford the rent. And so I would, like, sleep next to my podcast studio for, like, two years Wow. And just do it because I knew I I knew I needed to work through my own burden.   I knew I needed to work through my own burden of my own anger, of the life circumstances that, by the way, I was the creator of   and this might be really   abrasive to somebody listening watching right now.   You're the creator of everything in your life.   I didn't believe that for a long time. It didn't it didn't sit well   because immediately my ego would say, well, what about my mom? What about my dad? What about life? Where is God? What about these evil people that are running the world? And I had a laundry list of reasons like we all do sometimes   to why my life wasn't my creation.  

But what really clicked, man, was right around 2022,   I did a mushroom journey with my now wife. She was my my girlfriend at the time.   And I was like, I just feel so out of alignment with my business. Like, this name of the old podcast, Wellness Force, it just doesn't work for me anymore. Like, I don't like the word force   because it it's in the opposite of everything I'm sharing with you today Sure. For forcefulness. All the questions you've been asking me have nothing to do with force. Yeah.   And she turned to me and she said, well, what do you really want? I said, I'm I'm just seeking wisdom. I I wanna be wise. I wanna embody wisdom.   And then that's where wellness and wisdom was born. And so when I started to really understand in 2022   that I was the full blown creator of everything in my life   the fighting, the discontent,   the   survival paradigm   the reason that I wasn't where I wanted to be in my business or in any area of my Pentagon   was 100%   my own creation   And that can be really confrontational   because   I wanna speak with respect to people that have had trauma, right, of of any kind, whether it's a car accident or sexual trauma or lowercase t trauma or capital t trauma.  

These things are very hard. And I'm not saying that they're easy for you to move through. Full stop. Like they involve a lot of grace, a lot of respect,   a lot of tenderness and a lot of specialized work.   Yet, and   it's your creation.   You signed up for this life. You chose your parents, if we look at that philosophy. You have created everything you've created   by what I like to call the BTFA   loop, belief, thought, feeling, and action.   And I learned this I'll I'll give credit where credit is due from Nir Eyal. He's a Oh, yeah. I love Nir. Do you know Nir?   And I also learned from Charles Duhigg and BJ Fogg and other behavioral specialists.  

I haven't interviewed them, but I interviewed Nir. And he had this thing called the the loop model where it was the stimulus and the variable reward that created the behavior. And that just, like, blew me away.   I was like, wait a minute. So the reason that we're addicted to social media is because we never know what we're gonna get. And so our attention gets harvested, and then I start being a consumer   instead of a creator.   That's the hook that really got me. And then I sat with it. I meditated. And I'm like, well, what is this really? Because I had I had learned from a lot of teachers in our space about the power of belief, specifically   the biology of belief.  

And I understood that, okay, if I'm holding on to a belief, it's actually my own creation that that belief is there. And then what is the   thought that that belief creates? So if I have a belief that I'm unworthy   because of   in full respect of trauma, right, or a missing mother or a missing father,   that installed a belief, which by the way, emotional epigenetic states that if it's seven generations back, it's probably going to repeat until someone's aware of it. Then I create a belief that makes me think I'm unlovable, I'm not worthy. Then I start to feel   sadness, anger, despair. Then my action is to go eat ice cream or watch pornography or go scroll on social media. So I've really grokked this in a pure way now where I can understand my own behaviors and it's part of our life method where we teach people to go through an inventory process of this BTFA   so that they can rationally, like like, logistically, not in some crazy   kumbaya way, but in a real way, they can start to understand why do I feel the way I feel? And, like, how is it related to the beliefs that were installed long before I even knew what a belief was? We're all you know, CBT therapy and all these therapies, they're all about the a. Well, what are you doing and why are you doing it? Gabor Mate says that, you know, don't ask why the addiction,   ask why the pain.  

Ugh. I'm like,   this man is switched on. You know? Like Yeah. Like, really? Like like, people wanna go to Alcoholics Anonymous, and that's fine. And and and whatever makes people accept themselves and love themselves and process, I'm all for it. Right? I'm not I'm not saying that my way is the way. I'm just saying that my way is a way. Yes. And my life is a fruit of   what I've created.   And so that's why I think it's really important, man, for all of us to understand this BTFA   because if we don't, our beliefs are gonna run our life, and it's gonna hold us hostage. Right? It's like Carl Jung said. You you know, until you make the unconscious conscious,   it'll run your life, but you'll call it fate.  

And that's the crux of what we're really getting at here is, like,   it doesn't have to be so   spiritually commodified   personal growth. It can be real. It can be tactical. It can be like ground floor,   and it can be gentle. It doesn't have to be this hard crazy thing where, you know, for 50 Ayahuasca ceremonies, you're trying to find yourself. It's like it ain't working, bro.   Yeah. It ain't working.  

[00:56:19] Abel James:

One really helpful   little quip that I heard from my friend, Isabella, was,   remember   when you wanted what you have now? Oh. Be grateful.   And not that we create everything in our present. Like, it doesn't feel like that Right. In our present, especially the traumas and the things that are kind of outside our control. But if you zoom out and you think about life, as you said, from a more spiritual perspective where time's not real and   other is not real. Right? It's it's all oneness.   Then, it becomes easier to accept   that you can just ask the question, what is the lesson in this for me? If it were my over soul or the higher self choosing this   for me, and I'm enduring it, kind of cut off from that right now by virtue   of duality   or the illusion of it anyway.  

What is the lesson here? Well, how can I grow from this? How can I get for me, you know, from the 50% that I was knocked down to back to not 80 or 90 with that wiggle room, but a 110%?   How can I, like, get back there?   And what is the hidden gift in this? And that's what you have to ask if you learn over time because the traumas never stop coming. And for everyone, they look a little different. Some of them are you know,   lives are on the line. Lives are being lost. Blood is being shed. Yeah. And other ones, none of that happens in in physical reality, but even worse stuff is happening   in the mental spiritual realm. Yes. Right? So it's it's really once again on us   to,   build not kind of avoiding all of this into our lives because we can't call ourselves that way. We're never gonna be able to protect ourselves. But build resilience   against  

[00:57:58] Josh Trent:

the incoming threats that are inevitable. Right? I gotta speak to that. Yeah. Please. I love this. This feels like a tennis match, but like a fun one. Yeah. Totally. Or like maybe pickleball since we're on it soon. Which I've only played twice, by the way. I gotta get I get I get to get out there. It seems so fun, pickleball. We gotta do it. Oh my gosh. Alright. So what you brought up is so profound, and, like, it's literally a podcast of its own, but I'll I'll speak to, like, a minute of it because I have learned through Doctor. Steven Young and also even John Demartini and other people that I've interviewed that the language that we use is is actually a prayer.   And I I am not   a Christian per se.  

I believe that all religions and all metaphysical teachings have really important wisdom, so I'm not here to say a certain denomination.   But what I will say, if you look across, and I've done this with GPT,   I looked across every single,   philosophy   on planet Earth, and I I started with, like, a thousand, and I broke it down to a 100, and then I broke it down to 44. I don't know why that number came up, but it was 44.   And out of the 44   philosophies, all of them had one common thread. And that thread was, can I be authentic but not at the cost of you?   That's the big takeaway.  

My authenticity doesn't mean that me being myself or me speaking my truth is at the cost of your well-being in any way. Right. And that's the big one that I think involves a lot of maturity because there's the push.   You talked about, you know, we we get to choose this higher vantage point, which is so true. But the only way that we have that wisdom is if we have the humility and the courage to face it.   And we live in a world that doesn't reward courage. The universe, God, our creator, definitely rewards courage.  

[00:59:38] Abel James:

Mhmm. Eventually. Eventually.  

[00:59:40] Josh Trent:

Like, even the courage you had to leave the music industry and to go and be a health promoter, you're probably like, what? Right? Oh, yeah. Everyone was like, you're out of line. I was a personal trainer, and I'm like, I'm gonna be a podcaster from a personal trainer. What? How how am I gonna do that? And I suffered. Right? And and you suffered as well. And I think we all suffer   to earn   the wisdom   that God is wanting to bring us.   Because if we don't suffer, if we don't have some kind of time in that, you know, there's this story of the butterfly being the transition of the caterpillar.   But the crystalus, if you look at nature, it's where the caterpillar has to liquefy.  

It goes through this process called metamorphosis.   And it changes from a caterpillar to a butterfly. Well, we're the same. We're actually completely the same. And this is not me waxing poetic or waxing nature. I'm being like full stop honest about our human evolution.   If you look at evolution from any lens,   every species always suffers   to transform to the next version of that species. And I believe I'm curious how you believe. I believe we're here on planet Earth right now, 2025,   2026, and beyond, with AI looming   and political unrest looming   and EMF toxins and environment and our emotional burdens and our unconscious patterns and our generational beliefs, which is why I'm so like, I wanna, like, scream it from a rooftop.  

Once I found out the truth about emotional epigenetics, I'm like, this must get into as many eyes and ears as possible.   It's really just a maturity process. It's a maturity process to face the things that have happened for us, not just to us,   so that we can see life through a different lens. That's the whole vision of my podcast. Right? So we can see life through a different lens of, alright,   God,   I just prayed before we got here, man. And like I said, I'm not like a Christian per se, but I pray to God all the time. Sometimes I fumble around, and sometimes I feel stupid when I do it. But I just do it anyways. And I sat in my closet today before you got here, and I was like, God,   thank you for my life. Thank you for these lessons.  

What is it that I most need to learn, And how can I be most humble to learn it? And I just said that, and I and I say that all the time.   What is it that I most need to learn? How can I be most humble to learn it? And the answers eventually come through. Like, they eventually come around.   And if we lead life through that lens of honoring something outside of us, a lot of people are very wounded with God, and I wanna respect that. I was very angry at God for a long time in my life. It's what created a lot of my terrible results was my anger towards God.   But when I finally open my heart to God and when I finally open my heart to to that which created me,   then I can get some wisdom, something new besides my own ticker tape of my neurochemistry   and my inherited beliefs. It is God that actually is it's not on our podcast right now because we're on your show, but there's a there's a logo that I have, and it's a a pentagon and upside down triangle in a circle.  

And the pentagon is the nourishment of our self. The the triangle is our ability to access feminine energy and to process emotion.   News flash to all the men, women are a lot more intuitive, and they process emotion a lot more and sometimes a lot better than we do. You know this because you're married. Right? Yeah. And then the circle in the podcast logo is a return. It's a it's a circle of peace and wholeness with God. That's what we all want. We wanna feel peace. We wanna feel a hole in our body. We we wanna go through a car crash. We wanna go through addiction. We wanna go through these things, and we still desire   to have a recognition with that which created us and feel whole. We're all on this journey of   fortifying and recognizing and remembering our own wholeness   yet we're in a society that doesn't reward our Pentagon, our triangle, or our circle. It doesn't reward it. Nature and God rewards it eventually   But the maturity you're speaking about is only earned, I believe, through experience. You can't get it any other way. Yeah. You could listen to our show right now and be like, I'm changing some stuff.  

Or you could listen to our show and be like, Yeah, that's cool. Anyways, let me go eat ice cream. The the choice is yours. And I think that choice comes from maturity and life experience.  

[01:03:40] Abel James:

I think so. And also the pattern of making those decisions and hopefully   the correct ones when you get a setback. And and, like, an example   for me was the amount of suffering and pain that I was in is kind of hard to describe and shouldn't really be compared to anyone else. Is everyone like I said? Yeah. So after it, like, my spine was in torsion. Right? And I had several herniated discs and torn tendons, messed up shoulder, and a traumatic brain injury. So my brain didn't know which way was up. You seem solid right now. Thank you. It's been, like, four months, you know, fifty, sixty plus   visits with physical therapy, doing vestibular training, balance training, like, building everything back up from   the ground. But when you're locked into that state,   it's not something that you can intellectually get out of. Right?  

As you brought up before, it's one of those things where the body has processes   where you can become dissociated.   Your body will start putting on weight. Certain things will start breaking down.   So the pain that I was in was such that I kind of had the option of   trying to dull it by getting back like, realizing that I wouldn't be back to normal   in the next six plus months or something like that with the injuries that I had. Experiencing the pain, not knowing how much of it was permanent,   and loving alcohol in a good time or whatever with invitations to parties and that sort of thing.   Alcohol is pretty much the only,   like, socially acceptable, at least publicly,   when you're going out. Anesthetic   that you can, like, take as a social tonic,   that sort of thing. And so being paid in booze for a long time as a musician   and having a relationship with booze for a lot of years that was really quite good Yeah. I kind of, you know, entertained the option. Well, I could go in this direction. Right? Like, this is something that I could do, and it would take me longer to recover, and maybe I would never my brain nervous system might never get back to where it was.  

Oh, poor me. Right? But at least I get to have my fun, or I could just go to all of these fucking appointments and do the stuff that makes me nauseous and dizzy and hurt every single day, multiple times a day. Just suck it up   for months and months on end and hope that I eventually get better. But just, like, not drink for the rest of the year, tighten up all these other things, like, really focus on sleep and   accept the fact that, like, we're gonna lose money and just, like, take a financial hit too.   And that's what has allowed me to get here because, like, that decision tree also happened when I lost all my material possessions in a fire. Right? It was just like, yeah. I guess I could drink away my sorrows and try to have a good time, a party with friends, or whatever. Just avoid this. Right? Yes. Or I could face it head on and be like, dude,   you're looking a little fat. I know you just lost everything, but, like, let's at least work on that. Let's make that our project. Right? So we all have these opportunities over the course of our lives. And the, oh, poor me, the, oh, pity me, whenever you feel that, remember, you have this decision tree, and you can choose to make that decision that's gonna launch you hopefully into that better trajectory for the future. And that's the gift from your future self if you see it that way. But, man, it doesn't feel like that at the time. But those are all the times in my life that I've grown the most by far have been the hardest ones.  



[01:06:50] Josh Trent:

I'm so glad you shared that about alcohol   because it is this social lubricant. By the way, y'all, there's kava. Okay? So Kava's amazing. Do kava instead. You get, like, a nice buzz, and it doesn't mess you up. And it's actually quite good for you if you look at the neurochemistry. Yeah. It tastes like mud, but there are ways around that. Well, actually, TrueCava is pretty good. It is pretty good. Yes. Cameron's company. So, like, I wanna speak to that because for my twenties and even my early thirties, I was doing a lot of partying. I was sucked into what I call modernity's hooks.   And we have to realize that this is not me being a conspiracy theorist. This is just me being a realist.  

We live in what some religious texts and ancient texts called the devil's playground. Right? There is some   truth to the fact that we are here on planet Earth, and there are all these trappings around us, and billboards have hamburgers, and New York Square has breasts pouring out. And all these things are actually really inherently designed   to hook us. And not just to hook us, but to harvest our attention.   And harvest our attention means that we don't have that decision tree that you talked about anymore. Right. The decision tree is, like,   gone. It's, like, in another building. Yeah. There's no decision tree.  

So if we choose and everything's a choice,   which is, again, like, a hard lesson to learn, but this is where we get more mature.   Can I be the arbiter of all my choices, and can I take ownership for all the choices in my life even when I get in a car wreck?   Even, like, for me when those three things happen, the job, the mom, the relationship, the finances, like,   I believe that these incredibly   arduous experiences,   they happen for us because we need them. Yeah. This is totally   weird, but it's so true for me. And this is the way I look at it, and it's been really of service. So take it on or not. You know, I'm not here to tell you what to do. I will say that if you can   approach every single hardship,   specifically it's been with me and, pornography addiction and   pure sexual energy and my wife and also, like, being open hearted in business. That's how it's shown up for me.  

Early on in life, I had chronic sinus issues. I didn't know it at the time, but I was lactose intolerant, and so I would be on the toilet every morning. My parents didn't know. Right?   So all these things happened.   What do I choose to make of them? Yeah. That's really it. And I and I'm not desiring to be a sound bite.   But   when these things happen, what meaning do I choose to make of them? Can I see these things as true gifts, which is so hard to do in the moment when you're in the pain? I'm not saying you have to jump right to that mindset. You actually inherently need to go through the Hawkins ladder. You have to go through the shame, which is 20, before you get to the love 400 and above. You have to go through all of it. Mhmm. I'm sure that when you got out of the car, you were like, mother.   How am I gonna deal with this and the finances and all these things? But   that is actually the conduit. That is the threshold   that births you and me into the new version of us. That is the alchemization process. That that's inherently it. Because   whether you're Joe Rogan or Gary Breca or Abel James,   it really doesn't matter. You are going to receive   very, very hard situations in your life. And God creator, through your soul, you're gonna access these challenges   as either this is happening to me or this is happening for me, and I'm gonna make this happen for me. And you might call me crazy, and that's fine. But I will share that every single time, like 100%,   no ambiguity, every single time I have gotten out of the victim phase, and I have moved through my emotions, and this is a big part of the chalice of renewal that we talk about in the program. When you know how to move emotion, which is energy in motion,   most people don't know that. We just we hear the word emotion. It's like, what even is emotion? It's energy   in motion. And we know from the law of thermodynamics that energy cannot be created   nor destroyed.  

It's a scientific fact.   So science and spirituality through the emotional lens of this chalice of renewal   is so important because we cannot think our way out of something that's spiritual.   We cannot think our way out of something that happened when we weren't thinking. You weren't inherently thinking, I'm gonna get in a car accident today. You know? Like like, it just happened. Right? So you can't your logical   mind can't   make sense of what happened right when it happens. You need time, and that's what I'm saying.   We need time. We need support. We need community.  

We need tried and trusted programs that are backed on science   to be able to move us through our own process of grief, sadness, shame, anger. But, you know, it's really amazing, man. And I just talked about this with my men's group this week. When we get to 200 on the Hawkins scale,   this is, like, the most incredible thing. 200 is courage,   but pride is one seventy five.   What happens for me and all of us is when stuff happens, like, you know, I'm so sad that happened for you. Right? Like, I don't I don't want you to be in pain and I I don't wanna be in pain. I don't want any of us to be in pain.   If you held on to the pride and said I'm just gonna keep drinking and I'm just gonna get fat and I'm just gonna feel sorry for myself   for whatever reason your soul and our souls they cross this chasm vibrationally   and they measure this in hertz, which a hertz is a unit of measurement of how much something moves in one second. So doctor Hawkins is, like,   literally one of the most powerful minds in psychology. He was an MD and a PhD.  

So this is both a scientist and a medical doctor Smaller. And a philosopher.   So he states that when you start raising your frequency because of the BTFA, by the way, you believe that this happened for you so that you could think about it differently and feel differently and act differently by not drinking   that you will actually create whatever reality you want to create after the event happened because inherently   inherently,   the event was neutral.   Right. The event was you got in a car accident. The event was   I   had a belief that I wasn't lovable, that my mom couldn't heal herself, that my dad didn't love me, that God wasn't real like I created all these beliefs   but when I reworked my own belief patterns through the system and I really saw them that oh my god this is actually something that I get to share   I get to share this with people?  

How fucking amazing that I, like, figured it out. I figured it out, but I didn't figure it out from my mind. This is the big one.   We don't figure out life's spiritual lessons through the lens of intellectualism.   We figure them out by moving the energy through us Yeah. And by being honest about our own BTFA so that we can create whatever the fuck we want.   Because if we're not creating what we want, then we're just consuming and we're we're harvested   by the technocrats at Facebook and Meta, which is the epidemic it's truly an epidemic right now if there was one epidemic that's taken away all the wisdom that you and I are sharing with each other it is the phones that we hold in our hand. This is the number one thing and this is the thing that like breaks my heart but also because I know we won't save everyone, and I'm not here to fix anyone.   But I am here to be a model   of my own life that   I can control my attention and where it goes. So there's a lot here, man. But that's that's what I feel about   the tree you mentioned because it can we can't access that tree if we're being harvested.  



[01:13:58] Abel James:

Exactly. And it brings to mind too. It's like I've asked so many of the healers from the doctors to physical therapists, you know, neurologists, all this. Like, who gets better from spinal injuries and neck injuries? Like, who who are the ones who get better? Is it, you know, the athletes? Is it the ones who go to physical therapy or do this type of physical therapies? Is it the ones who get surgery? Every single one of them says this, except for the surgeons maybe.   Surgeons are like They're just saying.   The ones who believe   they will get better get better. The ones who don't believe that they'll get better never do. Whether they get surgery, whether they go to all of the appointments and do all the things, those ones don't get better. But the ones   who believe it actually do. And I looked into the research, and this is, like,   in a lot of different research studies this shows up. And it applies to pretty much everything in life. It did it's basically the placebo,   nocebo effect, and we might as well use that. You know? It's just is it BS? But this brings up another question that I'm curious   as to how you'd answer because from time to time, you interview these guests   who have a different understanding of reality   than most people or perhaps yourself.  

Generally speaking, it's a much more vast understanding   of reality, and sometimes it might be complete bullshit.   How do you   not that it's your, you know, job necessarily to to know which is which, but how do you navigate that? And and, also, how do you   decide which of those learnings go into your own personal bag of tricks  

[01:15:31] Josh Trent:

to move forward with? Does that question make sense? Yeah. This is what happens when two podcasters get together. It's just like epic things happen.   Man, in 2017,   I did a Vipassana, which is this silent meditation retreat for ten days where you don't eat meat, you meditate for I think it was, like, twelve hours a day we were meditating. It was crazy.   I had more, like, access to consciousness than I've ever had in my life. And at the very end of it because people can fall into the trap of being hyper spiritual, which creates pseudo spirituality.   A lot of meditators fall into this, and that's why JP Sears does his, like, you know, triads on uber spiritual people. Yeah.  

What happened at the very end, it was so beautiful. Here's Goenka, the one that created the whole training. And he goes it was on a like a VHS in the corner. And he goes, you know, when it comes to this, take what resonates   and leave the rest.   And that was all I needed to hear.   What I'm my answer to your question by metaphor is   in any guest, in any conversation,   I take what I know to resonate as truth, and then I leave the rest. Like, Paul Cech being a great example. Right? Probably one of the most   spiritual   medicine man phenomenal thinkers and beers,   doers of our time.  

You know, the founder of the Czech Institute, he's he's helped and trained more people, I think, in our world of health than almost anyone. It's unbelievable. Really. Like, he's made such an impact. Yes. But I don't agree with everything that Paul says, and I and I assume I know that he would respect that. Right? Yeah. Because part of my my individual maturation   is me, and this is really answering your question, is me developing an intuition   that's connected to my gut, my enteric nervous system, that goes up all my chakras,   and that connects to my highest self. And if I can do all the practices that we're talking about, then I can really answer   the question of does this person sharing with me what they're sharing with me, does it feel worthy of sharing with others?  

That's like the real at this table, there's been like hundreds and hundreds of conversations.   And, you know, when my guest says something that I may not agree with, my my biggest learning curve is to challenge them respectfully on it. Yeah. Right? Like, hey, I actually don't   can you tell me more about that because I'm seeing it a different way or you know I can see some truth in what you're saying yet have you thought about it like this? A good example, I interviewed Amanda Hanson   and she was sitting here a few weeks ago and she said, you know the patriarchy has been destroying us or whatever she said. And I said you know Amanda I I understand what you're saying do you feel like it's really healthy for us to fight against the patriarchy   or do you feel it's really healthy for us to just stand for love and equality and being with each other And I don't think anybody's ever asked her that because I didn't make her wrong.  

I just brought a different viewpoint that my audience can learn by their own eyes and ears. Yes. And I think that's the mark of a great conversationalist   is, like, never ever ever making anyone wrong and letting your reality be a 100% yours and just artfully, craftfully,   you know, like, dropping in a question that will pierce   the guest's heart   and their mind   with a question that they've never been asked before. I think that's the art of podcasting that people love, and that's how I practice it. You know, I practice   that aspect that I'm describing to you because   that's what makes rich conversations. If we were just gonna sit here and agree with each other and everything Mhmm. It's kinda fucking boring. Totally. Right? Like, you've seen these you've been on shows as a guest, I'm sure, and the guy has, like, his list, and he's just reading you the questions before he gets to, like, the seventh interview that day. Yeah. There's a reason why those shows don't grow. It's because I think inherently, we all want a little bit of friction   when we sit with each other, but not too much. Right? Like, the Goldilocks   zone. Yeah. So, like, you know, Paul, whether it's Paul or Amanda or, you know, doctor Steven Young, who I love. Quite frankly, I didn't really disagree with anything Steven Young said, but I would bring in happens too. Yeah. I'd bring in my own viewpoints and and ask questions because I I just wanna get to the truth.  

And in the past, I would wanna get to the truth as quickly as possible.   And now I've trained myself to slow down and to speak   to get to the truth, but not with a rush. And I think that's also really easily digestible for people to make their own decisions as well. Let the truth emerge instead of trying to force it out. Right? Like Yeah. Like, I I've had guests sit right there, and, like, my audience will comment. Like, this person was so in their ego. And I'll just and I'll just be like, I'm glad you saw that. Right. But I wasn't gonna say, you're in your ego right now, you know. Totally. It's like it's like learning by watching and viewing, which is so powerful for them because then they can make their own decisions Mhmm. Without me barking orders at people.  

[01:20:11] Abel James:

I completely agree. And this is, like, conversations I've had with with listeners, with,   my wife and other people,   who who I've worked with on the show where it's like,   I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea that I condone and agree with absolutely everything that every guest says. Right. That is not what this is. Nope. Some people take it that way, of course. Right? Like, where they wanna, like, hold the host accountable for every word that a guest said on the show. That's a dangerous position for other people to take. It's a dangerous position for the guest to be in. I worry about that sometimes in foreign countries   when I cross borders. Right? It's like, god. I don't know what is on Twitter or or in the podcast here at this point that's attached to my name or an AI spoof version, whatever.  

Who knows?   But,   it can be hard to keep all of this straight. So   we have just a few minutes left, so I wanna make sure that we talk a little bit about, men's health as well. This is something that has been an unpopular   subject   to talk about at least in the public spirit Interesting. For a while. Okay. Or at least   males have kind of been scapegoated   for a few years, that sort of thing. It's become politically difficult to talk about men's health,   and and kind of men's issues. How do you navigate that? And what is the importance of also   some of the more behind closed doors less public conversations that that happen between   same sexes?  



[01:21:33] Josh Trent:

Well, I can speak to this from my experience in,   doing men's work since 2014.   And here in Austin for the past, four years, I've actually led a men's group that we meet twice a month.   And so I get to see and share my own struggles with men who are doing the same. And they're from all walks of life. You know, mainly entrepreneurs, but also some that are just, working in corporations. And   and, you know, the through line that I see with all men is that we are dying to have a space to share in.   We're dying for it. But you know what's replaced   in that space that, like, literally makes me well, it used to make me angry. Now I just see it for what it is. Pickleball.  

Actually, yes.   There there's a guy in my group. I won't name him, but he recognized that his addiction to pickleball   was blocking him from looking at his shadow.   This happened. Totally. Avoidance. Yeah. This happened. Mhmm. The the through that was a good night.   I love that. The through   line   I could just see like like some pickleball bros playing right now and they're like, I'm good, bro. What do you mean? Meanwhile, like their wife won't talk to them. Right.   The through line is that every man is dying. We're like we're like parched almost like if you were in the desert for two days, and you just were about to die because you needed a drink of water.   Men   so desperately   are are thirsty   for spaces   where they can share and then learn how to receive.  

That's the big one.   Because the art of sharing and the art of receiving, I've I've cultivated over ten years now with men and   actually more than ten years. And the the thing that I understand to be true about it now is that there's a really beautiful way that men can share, and then there's a super toxic way that men can share, which actually creates what feminism calls toxic masculinity. Right? So that's why I'm saying I can see the truth in why feminism is around, but I can also see the truth in   why feminism is around because of its very own wound and because of its anger towards men, which is very unhealthy. If if you look up Fifth Wave Feminism, you'll see this on online.  

The way that we share in group and the way that I believe is most potent and powerful, it's a structure that will will ground, will breathe,   will sit in a space,   will meditate,   we will share. And in the share round, it's really special because there's a timer. And for five minutes, the man has to share whatever is on his heart, whatever's there for real. He doesn't get to drink, he doesn't get to smoke, he doesn't get to distract himself.   And I, as the group leader, if a man starts going off and being in his mind, I can bring him back in his body so he can actually share what's there. Because a lot of times,   men will share from the mind because they're afraid of what's living in their body. Right. And this has been the most potent thing in men's group. And so after the man shares, we open it up and we say, alright. Impact and questions for Josh.  

You get to share an impact or you get to share a laser question. And this is where men miss the mark. I don't know if you've had Connor Beaton on your show. If you know Connor, he's a really good expert in this. So is Mark Gross.   There's a way that when like, if you've just shared for five minutes in our group, there's a way that I can use my intuition   and ask you a question like,   Hey, impact for me, that car accident sounds absolutely insane, and I can relate because I went through this, and so I'm sorry that happened for you. So you acknowledge it first,   then you ask, Okay,   Abel, brother,   what is the real lesson that you're taking from this?  

And how is this lesson gonna make your life so amazing in ways that you could have never even imagined? And when you get a question like that as a man I love how it's framed. Yeah. When you get a question like that as a man, I'm not coaching you. I'm not here   to fix you. I'm literally just practicing the art of men's work. Because the art of men's work   was taught to us through   our ancestors.   We've just forgotten it. You know, many men that's why Tim Kocorin, who I've had on the show,   does what he does with Vision Quest. That's why I've gone through two Vision Quests   because   the art of really having men go through some matriculation process. Right? Women go through it when they get their period. That's why the the Latin culture has the quinceanera.  

But for men, for us to actually be mature, we have to go through a threshold.   And, unfortunately,   most men never go through this threshold. There's no rites of passage, if you will. Right. And so men's work becomes, a cleanup for the lack of rights of passage in men because we start to actually   acknowledge,   learn how to acknowledge, learn how to not coach, learn how to not dump over another man, and learn how to ask from our heart what's gonna be the most important question that gives this man his own coaching.   That's the beauty of men's work. Yeah. And what is taking place instead of that is pickleball   and drinking and and football and all these things. And I'm not anti football. I think football is amazing. Sure. And if you wanna drink occasionally, have a drink. But do it once you've cleaned yourself up. Right?  

These,   pseudo tools these pseudo pacification tools that really if we're if we're being brutally honest here,   we're in a society of sedation.   Yeah. The the trappings and the hooks of modernity   are all built and attached to sedative tools that want to sedate men. That's why the narrative from feminists is actually if men aren't careful they can become sedated.   They can lose their masculine core. They can fall into the trap of just happy wife, happy life, which is such a bullshit phrase.   It's not happy wife, happy life. It's happy whole complete human being   other happy whole complete human being. Yeah. Happy wife, happy life is just complete bullshit. It doesn't   work. As men, do we want our wives to be happy? Of course. Of course, we do. Right? But their happiness It's not that simple. Is not that simple because, women are very complex creatures that are very inherently different than men. And we saw this, by the way, in communist China when Mao actually   would shave the heads of women and men and make them wear the same clothes. They wanted to I I believe the phrase is,   in androgyny.  

I believe that's the right phrase. It's where you take away gender. We're gonna take away gender. We're gonna take away male aggression.   We're gonna take away feminine softness, and we're gonna replace it with boss bitch. Mhmm. Doesn't work. Mhmm. And we see this because the divorce rates are high. We have we have women right now, which is really sad. We have women glorifying divorce   on Instagram.   And of course, what does this do? It's like, you know, hornets to a nest. All the women that have ever been hurt by any man ever, they jump on this woman's Instagram and they say, yeah, girl.   Hashtag boss bitch. Yeah. Fuck men. Inherently. I know they're not saying that, but the energy Some are. Some some are. Yeah. And then we have the red pill movement,   you know, Andrew Tate. And even in many ways, David Goggins. Right? Stay hard, bitch.  

It's like   this this camp and this camp are all illusions of our own wound.   They're literally just illusions that we've collectively summoned up   to bifurcate us and you know who's feeding it all is the puppeteers that control the whole thing. Yeah. The puppeteers that control the whole thing are pitting gay against straight, man against woman,   pro life, pro choice,   Democrat, Republican. It's all the same fucking toxic game. And if we can just do our spiritual work to not be susceptible   to the hook because the hook gets in there. And by the way, I've I've fallen prey to it. I I see a post when I'm like, yeah.   Yeah. Like, yes. Fuck this. Yeah. Yeah. Like, fuck her. But but then but then when I reflect on it, I'm like, wow, I just got duped. You know? Like, even the Charlie Kirk stuff that happened. Right.  

It was really sad seeing people celebrate another human being's death.   But this is all part of the coming home process that we're on here. And when I say coming home I just mean we're either a whole complete human being that's interfacing with another whole complete human being or we're projecting our inherent wounds, epigenetic   wounding, onto others. And the last thing I'll say is this has not been happening just in the past ten years.   This has been happening since BC   The churches that took the power   that used God's word and I have you I have to be the mediator of God's word to you You can't access God's word unless you do it through me Right. Then it came on to Genghis Khan and Eastern Asia and India. And if you look at the whole cultural matrix,   there's always been this control system that says if you wanna access your own wholeness,   then you have to go through me first and you have to pay me for it. If you look at tithings with church and whatnot.  

This has been going on for a long time. It's only because of the rise of AI and technology since, you know, the nineties, right, is when computers came out. So we're in, like, this   seventy five year experiment if you look at the fourth turning literature,   where we're about to   burst through   a level of consciousness that we've never been able to access before   and it's because on the side of the pendulum it swung so far to the other side   Like, if you look at chaos theory, chaos cannot exist in perpetuity.   Eventually, all chaos has to seek order. Yeah. We are right there, Abel. Like, it's so exciting, man. I'm really hopeful. I'm really stoked and hopeful about our world. I really am. Like, it's I feel it. I see it. I don't fall into doom and gloom about AI and all this bullshit. Yeah. I think that humanity is here to rise, and I'm not, like, a Luddite that's shaking my fist at a fire. I'm just seeing it for what it is. These systems have gone on for thousands of years   in every religion, whether it's the Aztecs, whether it's the Mayans, whether it's Christians, and all the stuff. We are all whether it's us coming over from England in 1776   because we were oppressed and what did we do? We oppressed and killed an entire nation. We we committed a genocide on the Native American people.  

We learn through epigenetics.   It's so clear for me now. Like, it's so clear for me now that I just can't believe I couldn't see it before.   The epigenetic   emotional transfer   of trauma which I like to call stuck energy energy and motion is really what we're all looking at. That's why Instagram exists. That's why the feminist movement exists. That's why Red Pill exists. It's all like we're about to throw up here. Like Alan Watts, one of my favorite mentors, he says, it's all retching, no vomit. We just raise our children to raise their children to raise their children the same way. I think we're about to throw up. And I'm I'm ready for it because   I knew ever since I was a kid that I told you that something was off. And I think that there's gonna be this eruption.  

I hope it's not bloodshed. I hope it's not war. I don't want that.   But if that comes, it's part of the process. Right? So that's the long answer to your question of what is male health?   Male health is when we learn what it is to be a real man.   And from my own life, I can say that being a real man is when I have the maturity to face whatever comes to me without judging it.   Do I have that on lock? Absolutely not.   Am I learning more and more and more how to how to master it? For sure. And my wife and my children and my business and my honesty of self and my prayer to God helps me with all of it.   But I'm excited where you'll be I'm excited where I'll be in five years in ten years Can you imagine the people we're gonna be in ten years? It's so may can you imagine where you're gonna be? I'm looking at the camera   Where are you gonna be in five years ten years? It's so amazing The the Internet especially AI is giving us   something that our grandparents would have died for and actually they did   So we can't just go with the tools that we have We have to understand   how this transfer has happened through our epigenome   And, like, that's why I'm here, man. You know, I'm I'm here to understand that and to be honest about my understanding.  

And, you know, my hope is that somebody listens to this and they choose something different. You know, they choose to see their life differently than maybe they did before.  

[01:33:23] Abel James:

I think they will. And,   I mean, to your point, what's been normalized   in recent years,   even pre AI,   is so radically different than the world that we were raised in where I remember it might have been Roseanne or some other sitcom   had, like, the first divorce on a sitcom. Oh. Do you remember this? Like, it was a huge thing back then. Yeah. That this was normalizing   bad behavior that this is and now, you know, skip ahead to where we are, and people are, you know, being publicly   applauded. It's it's glorified, divorce, and and and other things are glorified.   And now with AI,   we have unlimited potential for chaos for all sorts of things to be normalized that are literally impossible to be normal   in this reality. Right? But now that can of worms is also open. So I think, hopefully, that means peak chaos and the return to order Yes. Hopefully,   will also be returned to analog because, you know, technology is incredible,   but   it's also terrible. And it can be a force for evil and all sorts of awful things. But we can turn it off, and we can just go to analog. And we can go to a pond, or we can go to the woods or the beach or whatever, or just close our eyes for a minute and and try to enjoy space and and silence. And, you know, hopefully, you can get to the point where you realize that that is enough.  

And we were here the whole time. That is the point.   But, gosh, it takes a lot of willpower and energy and systems to make sure that you don't get pulled into   the   the beast that some technologies have become. And that's not gonna get any easier.   Technology will only become more addictive   and Yeah. More, you know, enticing and also, perhaps more rewarding in some ways, at least to our brains, than actual physical human relationships. That's definitely in our potential future. But at the same time,   if any generation is built for this, it's the generations that are living right now. We've watched all the movies. We've been through the dystopian   Yes. You know, brainstorms and that sort of thing. We are ready for this. We can manifest a better version than hopefully was in the movies.  

Okay. So  

[01:35:56] Josh Trent:

back to what we're talking about with, like, pushback in tennis match, I wanna push back on willpower because I noticed you said that. And and I think what you're saying has a lot of truth to some degree. Like, the level of willpower is really necessary, so I'm I'm not dismissing that.   I see it differently where   and I had someone on my show talk about this. I think it was,   doctor Judd Brewer, neuroscientist. If it wasn't, it was someone else. And he he said that it's not necessarily about willpower. It's about   training oneself for emotional resilience. I think that willpower is a byproduct   of emotional resilience. Yes. But people think of willpower as, like, just a mental thing. Like, oh, I'm gonna resist it. Well,   whether it's science or spirit, what you resist persists. And And eventually, you're gonna need to take a break and, like, stretch your arm. And then the the water is gonna come in and devour you, right, if we're just leading life by willpower. So I would say that   you're right that willpower is there. And I I feel like really what we're talking about is having such a strong emotional body.  

Like, making emotion more practical for men   is really,   something I enjoy because, it's it's my own mission. It's my own learning in life. And I think that for me and for all of us, willpower is a byproduct of emotional resilience, but yet what creates emotional resilience is is literally all the things we've discussed today   by understanding, you know, how things have occurred for us, by understanding   how to move that stuck energy that's actually turning off and on the piano keys of our DNA. Like, our DNA can't be changed. Right? It's an it's once we have it, it's coded.   But the epigenome   can turn off and on either the trauma or the trust. And I think that's where the resilience which leads to   the  

[01:37:36] Abel James:

willpower really comes from, in my opinion. Yeah. And epigenetics is something that I've definitely talked about a lot on the show, but cannot be talked about enough. Because when people talk about genetics, they're really talking about epigenetics. Yeah. And I think, also, it's it's kind of more than that too because   it's not just your epigenetics,   but also your hollow biome. Right? Not just the microbiome, but also all of the bugs and species of things discovered and undiscovered that kind of   are with us in the six feet around us at all times. Right? Better. You know, like, most of this DNA isn't even human. So, like, how can we learn how to program it like a computer? It doesn't work like that. It's a little bit more meta in the true sense of the word. Yeah. And willpower, I agree, is not always the right term for a lot of this, but but   intention, will, your emotions need to be in alignment with   that intention. Right? And that's that's what we're moving toward. But,   anyway,   I did wanna ask you a couple more things, which is just one. What is a, you know, like, particularly mind blowing thing that you've heard from a guest that changed your mind about something?  

And then or   what is something that podcast guests don't typically   ask you that you wish you were asked? Oh, this is great.  

[01:38:51] Josh Trent:

So, I mean, god, so many things have blown my mind. But what's present for me is a recent conversation I had   with Steven Young   and he echoed something that many masters have said. But he said, if you can live your life   and allow a full spectrum of emotion   without judging the emotion,   you will be able   to manifest   whatever you want.   It's the ultimate code with no woo woo attached.   It's actually   scientific fact, but it's also a spiritual teaching   to be able to   let my wife, let myself, let other people express whatever they want to express and just witness them in that   without me judging them in that   that's the ultimate code because when I can do that things move through me super fast. How many, couples   have the same fight for, like, ten years? Right. It's because they haven't gotten lessened yet. So that was super mind blowing. I mean, that whole conversation was mind blowing. That's a really good one. And then that's still a practice for me. Right, for sure and for all of us. But I think even just knowing that it's there changes the code in the game right away. Oh, if I can experience an emotion and not judge it,   wow, the energy reserves I have. And then those energy reserves can be pointed towards purpose and pointed towards all kinds of other amazing things rather than judgment. Right?  

Because, essentially, judgment is some type of shame. It's it's a it's a lower level survival paradigm emotion. What's something that somebody's never asked me?  

[01:40:24] Abel James:

It doesn't have to be never either. It could just be something that you wish you were asked more often.  

[01:40:30] Josh Trent:

Yeah. The question that was asked me recently, someone said, you know, we all have dark nights of the soul. But what's the dark night of the soul you'd wish on your children?   And I was like, I I think I cried.   Because my answer to that was I want them to   do whatever their heart is calling them to do, and I want them to go through a dark night of the soul. I mean, I wanna minimize their pain as much as possible, but yet I know that pain is inevitable for   them. And who wants to wish pain in their children? I want both my son and my daughter to be able to go through a dark night of the soul and   to be able to learn that they're so worthy and valuable   of following what it is they wanna do with their life   that they will let go of anything they learn   from either my own projections or from the projections of society in order for them to do so. And I thought that was a really powerful question. Yeah. That's beautiful.  



[01:41:20] Abel James:

Man. Josh, I just wanna say thank you so much for once again hosting us in person. Yeah. Thank you, man. This is really a gift and, so much fun to be with you. What's the best place for people to find wellness and wisdom,   and everything that you're working on?  

[01:41:34] Josh Trent:

Just head to liberatedlife.com.   It's a free community. The community is always gonna be free no matter what because   I live my life by reciprocity.   Like,   everything I do, I ask myself, okay, am I honoring this person's attention? Am I giving what I believe to be so much value that they don't have to quote pay me anything for it? Well then that that naturally leads to   ways and systems like the Life Method identity transformation system that we have which is a six week program. Once somebody has done the Liberated Life free tribe where they can engage with others, part of them joining the free tribe, which is so amazing, is a ten day thirty video module called the self liberation blueprint. I went the opposite. I know in marketing, we were trained to be, like, give this tiny little thing and then ask them for a whole bunch. I just went the other way. I was, like, I'm gonna literally give you a ten day thirty video system that's based on ten years of my life and 800 guests that'll actually change your life, and you never have to pay me for it.   But I know secretly that somebody's gonna go through that whole thing, and then they're gonna ask, well, what's more? Yeah. And then I'm here for them once they wanna do more. Right. But you could actually go to liberatedlife dot com, get the Liberation Blueprint,   go through all the videos, and start having rapid transformation in your life because I've distilled it down from the   craziness of my life. And I wanna save people time and pain through it so they can just get all that at liberatedlife.com.  



[01:42:59] Abel James:

Amazing. Josh Trent, thank you so much. Let's do this again soon. Thank you, bro. Thanks for being here.   Hey, Abel here one more time. And if you believe in our mission to create a world where health is the norm, not sickness, here are a few things you can do to help keep this show coming your way. Click like, subscribe, and leave a quick review wherever you listen to or watch your podcasts.   You can also subscribe to my new Substack channel for an ad free version of this show in video and audio. That's at ablejames.substack.com.   You can also find me on Twitter or x, YouTube, as well as fountain f m, where you can leave a little crypto in the tip jar. And if you can think of someone you care about who might learn from or enjoy this show, please take a quick moment to share it with them. Thanks so much for listening, and we'll see you in the next episode.