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In this episode of Women's Hour, we kick off with a lively introduction, welcoming listeners to another engaging Sunday evening. Our first guest, Captain Jo Wood, joins us from her car en route to an emergency farmers meeting in Exeter. Despite some technical difficulties due to background noise, Jo shares insights into the political landscape, including tensions within the Reform Party and rumours about the Labour government. Jo's dedication to her causes shines through, even amidst the chaos of her journey.
Following Jo's segment, I share personal reflections on the past week, discussing the challenges of maintaining energy levels and the impact of new medication. I delve into the therapeutic effects of nature and the simple joys of life, like countryside walks and home organisation.
The episode takes a deep dive into the controversial Montreal experiments and Project MK Ultra, exploring the ethical implications and long-lasting effects on its victims. This segment provides a thought-provoking look at historical events that continue to resonate today.
Our second guest, Jessica Miller, also known as Penny Red, joins us to discuss her venture, Clifford's Kingdom. Jessica shares her inspiring journey of healing and empowerment through equine-assisted therapy, following the tragic loss of her son, Clifford. Her story highlights the transformative power of horses and the profound connections they foster.
Jessica's passion for her work and her commitment to helping others through her community interest company shine through as she shares anecdotes of her experiences and the magic of her Suffolk Punch horses. The episode concludes with a heartfelt conversation about resilience, community, and the healing power of nature.
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Unknown:
Good evening to all of the beautiful women out there listening and to the occasional gentlemen listening in too. We know you listen. Welcome to Women's Hour. I am streaming live on radiosoapbox.com and also streaming live on Rumble. If you want to leave any comments or join in with a live chat, today's date is Sunday, 03/09/2025, the end of another week. So we've got the awesome captain Jo Wood for part one. I believe she's on a little journey. So there might be a little bit of background noise. She's in a car. She's doing a bit for the farmers again.
So Jo will be on shortly. And then for part two, I have the awesome Penny Red. So stay tuned. Right. Let's get young Jo Wood on the phone and pray that the connection is okay. She's probably going over a hill or something, a random part of Cornwall that has no connection. Fingers crossed. We will be positive. Good evening, captain Jo Wood.
[00:03:01] Unknown:
Hello. Can you hear me?
[00:03:03] Unknown:
Crikey. Yeah. You sound like you're in a shower, but we can hear you. Sorry about that. Sorry. You know, aircraft noise and all. How are you?
[00:03:16] Unknown:
I'm very well. I am just in the car making my way to Exeter for an emergency farmers meeting. So it is all a little bit last minute. I do apologize for the noise.
[00:03:33] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. It is very noisy. We might have to cut it shorter, Jo, or I'll just do all the talking. No. That's alright. There's just that background roar. But we'll go with the flow for the minute. So go you. Do you ever stop, young lady?
[00:03:48] Unknown:
I know. I know. I just I just want a quiet life now. But I think I think, you know, the rumblings are very, very loud in terms of getting this government out. Obviously, we've had a little bit of trouble with the reform party. Two two higher members, Nigel Farage, the leader, and then another guy called Rupert Lowe, they've had a bit of a major falling out, and they were quite well, they are misbuckers of fathers to actions. So part of the meeting this evening is about that. But in terms of the labor government, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna do shit, but rumors are Rachel Reid is about to quit.
[00:05:00] Unknown:
Oh, I see. Hopefully,
[00:05:02] Unknown:
that is gonna be the straw that breaks the cattle's back and the rest of them will follow. I don't really know much about politics. Is it if the labor government sold, what happened? I have no idea. No idea.
[00:05:22] Unknown:
Well, it all sounds very exciting. You sound like you're a journalist reporting from another country.
[00:05:32] Unknown:
Sometimes I feel like I'm a journalist on another planet. I don't know my arms from my elbows all the
[00:05:40] Unknown:
time. Rather you than me, you are committed. Wow. Well, I'm glad you're all doing your bit. Praise Jo Wood. She is our women farmer fighter. So how has your week been apart from, your, like, emergency journey?
[00:05:56] Unknown:
I've recently been okay. Busy at work. But apart from that well, you know, I mean, I'm at work, but then I I guess I have the luxury where I don't have to ask to anybody. But the the Oh, and she's gone. Oh. Is because my dialogue is to ask the 20 footy, I've also I try to replicate, you know, some cards for the farmers as well. So it's like, I go to work in essence, if I'm going to do two jobs at the same time. So it's always busy, but I've been good. How about you?
[00:06:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I've I've been alright, actually. But and I'll tell you what, Jo. I'm gonna cut you off because it's it's awful. It's awful. I can just about make out what you're saying.
[00:06:52] Unknown:
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
[00:06:54] Unknown:
Oh, don't worry. Don't worry. I've got twenty minutes till the our other guest comes on, and I'm sure I can talk and play a song and stuff. But I think, it's it's dreadful listening, miss captain Jo Wood. And, it's alright. I can just about make it out, but, thank you anyway. I appreciate. I know it's a last minute thing,
[00:07:16] Unknown:
and, it is what it is. Well, yeah, I would've I would've been at home, so, yeah, needs not and all. But next time next time, I make sure that I'm I'm in the cockpit, and it's soundproof.
[00:07:31] Unknown:
Yes. I'm glad to see you're committed. Alright, my lovely. Well, you you have, well, put your foot in. Do your talking work. Be bossy, and I hope the meeting goes well. Okeydokey. Take care, lovely. Lots of love. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye bye. Crikey. I can't listen to that for twenty three minutes. Sorry about that, listeners. But, hey, emergency calls. So that is interesting information. I must admit, I haven't really been following politics too much. You can get a bit bit draggled down by it all, can't you? I do see things pop up, but, yeah. Oh, I shall check out x or Twitter, shortly shortly well after this radio show. So I'll babble on a bit then because, I'll just pretend Jo's asking me questions now because there's a couple of things we were gonna talk about.
She would have said now, how are you, Shelley? How has your week been? Right. So in answer to that, good. Good. I worked on Monday, shift another shift, being a support worker. And you can call it work, but like Joe says, you go to work and do other things. Well, I arrived, and the young man that I was supporting wanted to go for a walk and then go and play snooker. You know, not pool. Proper, full on long tables, snooker cubes, chalk, quiet room, and everything like that. So we walked for about three and a half miles, and, oh, it was amazing.
Because it's a Monday, like, you know, I'm trying to stick to this whole fasting regime and drinking a little less wine. I gotta say the last couple of days, it hasn't, gone to plan. But it's the weekend. You've gotta have a break. But Monday yeah. So we went for a three and a half mile walk, and it was just stunning. Yes. It was fresh. It was cold. But we did quite a countryside walk. And just seeing all the fields, all the daffodils, there was that sense of hope, that sense of clarity that spring is coming, and god knows we all need it. I need it.
I'm just waiting to get that sunbed out and get sunbathing. And we are in the midst, me and my family, of trying to book a holiday. I haven't even got the money yet, but I don't care. I will have. I'm going on holiday for a week, and I'm gonna lie there and soak up some vitamin d. And, I'll beg, borrow, and steal to get there. I think sometimes you've just got to make that move, haven't you? It's like if I book the date, pay a deposit, it's like, right. Crack on now, and you can do the work. And I will. I'm I'm I'm motivated for that. However, as wonderful as Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday was actually Thursday, I hit this tiredness.
Oh, my days. And I've realized, and I do get these old realizations from time to time, being so very tired, and I mean, exhaustedly tired, is almost quite the same as being very depressed. And on Saturday night, I was sat in my bed watching TV about 08:00 in the evening feeling depleted just because I thought I was depressed, because I hadn't really done anything all day. All I wanted to do was sleep. Been like this for a few days. And then you've got the little voice going on in your head. Come on. Push yourself. Tell yourself to be positive. Make yourself get up and do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, I managed to get up yesterday. The the highlight of the day yesterday was going to B and M. And, of course, you never go to B and M without spending, a significant amount, but I do like a bit of B and M. That was our day out, mine and Darren's. And we went and we bought storage. Oh, oh, the feeling of cleansing this house at the moment. It's taken a long time. I can't lie because these little, energy boosts, I might get thirty minutes whereas, like, I can crack on and then I'm exhausted. So we went to B and M, bought loads of storage, and I've cleared out my utility room and now put all the crap into these pretty little storage boxes on my shelves that, you know, you can't see through. It's just taken away all of that. That room is disgusting.
You know, the dog walker comes once a week to pick up the dog, and he comes in that way. And I think he must wonder, why don't they ever sort this room out? Just full of Darren's tools, washing everywhere, welly boots. I mean, utility room is a bit like a junk room, I suppose, isn't it? But I just wanted to make it nice. So I have been on a mission still, cleansing rooms, and now I want even more storage. I just love storage. I always have done. But the selection, you know, what colors do you get? The material, do you go for fabric baskets, wicker baskets? There was a whole aisle of just that sort of stuff. I oh, anyway, did our shopping at B and M. I came home, did all of that, and then I had a siesta because I was exhausted.
And then it's Saturday night, so we decided to have a takeaway. I went to Chinese, and, crikey, I can't remember the last time I had a Chinese because usually makes me feel really bloated and uncomfortable, and you think, oh, I can't eat that again. It was alright. I did have food envy. I wanted Darren's, but it's always the way. If I had Darren's, I would have wanted, you know, the opposite. So it was a nice treat. And then Saturday evening, rather than going out, because, you know, he had offered to take me out because most weekends Darren gigs, and we do try to make the effort. I cleaned my microwave.
Saturday night, and I turned away, out into the pub or out for food, and I cleaned my microwave, sorted out storage in Perrin's room just for an hour. And then literally 08:00, I was in bed watching TV and feeling miserable. And, I don't know. I just feel like I go on about this every week, but it is what I struggle with in my life, like, energy, low moods, up and down, hyper, high, flat. And I look at some people and I think, how can your mental outlook on life just be like a constant line? You know, just content. None of this none of this psychological stuff and things going on like that. So last night, I was convinced I was depressed.
And I sat there, and I binge watched a load of crap TV and started reading a Paul McKenna book about being more confident because it's something I do struggle with sometimes. And it had a really interesting comment in there that if you you was to say to somebody, well, you know, because you might say this now, well, Shelley, you're really confident. You do a radio show. You come us come across as confident. And then I say back to you, well, I'm not confident. I'm not very good at it. Okay. So I am confident that I am giving that right answer. Do you get where I'm coming from? I don't know if that made sense, but I got it. And I just wanted something to try and retrain my brain a bit because when you're feeling like that, all you keep hearing in your head is, oh god. I'm so tired. Oh god. When am I gonna start feeling better? Blah. And it's a vicious circle.
Anyway, had a pleasant evening, woke up this morning, went to work for a whole two hours. It was a short shift. I gladly accepted it because I thought it gets me up for 09:00, and I find that I function much better if I've got something to get up for. However, I do like my sleep time as well. So I went and did my two hours work, then we met mom at the travel agent, but, alas, they were closed. Says on the website, they're open on a Sunday, but they weren't. Anyway, we'll do it sometime in the week. So me and Darren went to Spoons and, haven't been in there for a while neither.
And we had a all day brunch. And interestingly, no eggs came with a breakfast, and they've got a big sign up saying that they've got a shortage, a major shortage of freshly laid eggs. So, I mean, Aldi is right next door. I wanted to go to Aldi then and see if they had any eggs then because because, surely, as a business, you would like be, well, I can source eggs from somewhere. Can we just not pre warn the customers and just say, you know, they're not fresh organic eggs, but they're just caged hen eggs. But I suppose some people would flip off about that, wouldn't they? But they didn't give us anything extra. And this is because Darren ordered on the app. He ordered everything on his phone. And I said, if you'd gone to the bar, you could have said, well, what am I gonna get? Do I get a discount? Because for a large breakfast, you should have had two fried eggs. I mean, I appreciate they give you that one mug of tea for £1.19, I think it is, and then you could stay there all day and keep getting refills. So but it was just silly little thoughts going in my head. Anyway, after that, we came home. And what did I do? I go to sleep.
And I probably slept for a good couple of hours. And then I came around to thinking, do you know what? For the last week, I've been taking a new medication. And I might have mentioned this last week with captain Joe. I've been taking amitriptyline for fibromyalgia pain, pain because I've got a frozen shoulder. Basically, I'm falling apart. My eyesight's deteriorating. I couldn't even see the menu properly in Wetherspoons today. Anyway, I'm not knowing it. I'm just saying how it is because I feel joyful still inside. But, I came back, and I was thinking about this amitriptyline that I've been taking. And I was very scared to start taking it at first, and I looked at every, side effect going because that's just what I do.
And I was a bit put off, so I decided to take, like, half a dose the following no. I had to take half a dose that night. And after looking at lots of research, everybody said different things. And, you know, lots of people I've spoken to have said, oh, amitriptyline makes me trip. Well, I suppose the word trip is in the title, isn't it? And I know my dad struggled with it, said he had terrible nightmares and couldn't get on with it. Well, I'm only taking ten milligrams, but I believe doctor Shelley is here. I could be totally wrong. But I think there is an excessive buildup of that medication, and it's just wiped me out, basically. Wiped me out.
So I'm gonna decrease the dose. I've got my little found my little pill cutter thing earlier, and I'm gonna take it very early on in the evening to see if that helps. Because you're buckard really, aren't you? It's really helped with my sleep. If anything, I'm sleeping too much, though. The aches and pains have gone. I'm sleeping better with my frozen shoulder. But I'm, like, I'm exhausted. And I'm not just saying, like, I'm a little bit tired. I'm literally after we had that walk, after I slept today, we went and walked the dog. I came back. I spent half an hour in my son's room finishing what I started yesterday, and then I went back to bed for another hour.
And I set the alarm and cooked a little did a little bit of cooking, and I've been yawning all evening. I mean, I did worry that I could fall asleep halfway through this show, so I can't carry on like this. So I'll give it a week on this altered dose, and we'll see if it makes any difference. So there's some boring information of why I think I could be absolutely exhausted and wiped out. So I was gonna explain all this to Jo because we haven't even had our normal weekly catch up on a Saturday. And as much as I love that, sometimes I feel like we gotta repeat what we say on a Sunday because we've already chatted about it on a Saturday. But, obviously, lots more swearing, curse words, and stuff like that.
But if you tuned in last week, Joe was talking about the whole MK Ultra thing, five g and stuff. Was it to some anything to do with the jabs and stuff? But how we, like, synchronize with our phones and how things came up. Well, I was watching TikTok a few days ago, and this is my rabbit hole of the week. There's got to be one every week, hasn't there? And, a little TikTok came up, and it just said Montreal experiments, MK Ultra. And I thought, oh, I'll have a little look at that. So I don't know if you guys have heard of this at all. So this is what Wikipedia says.
The Montreal experiments were a series of experiments initially aimed to treat schizophrenia by changing memories and erasing the patient's thoughts using the Scottish psychiatrist Donald Awin Cameron's method of psychic driving, as well as drug induced sleep, intensive electroconvulsive therapy, sensory deprivation, and Thorazine. The experiments were conducted at the Allan Memorial Institute of McGill University between 1957 and 1964 by Cameron and funded by the CIA as part of project MK Ultra, which lasted until 1973 and was only revealed to the public in 1975.
The patients of this experiment expected positive changes from Cameron's treatment. However, these patients suffered severely under conditions that were not in accordance with human rights. Not only the patients, but also their families, show long lasting effects on their mental health. Some of these symptoms include retrograde amnesia, as well as impairments in everyday life abilities such as self care. To this day, the topic of the experiments of Montreal has been kept in the dark by the CAA, who actively prevent information about these experiments from being leaked to the public, whether that be through destruction of files or signing nondisclosure agreements.
Whether or not Cameron was aware that funding for his experiments was coming from the CIA is unclear. It has been argued that he would have carried out the exact same spare experiments if funding had come from a source without ulterior motives. So I oh my crikey. There's so much stuff. But basically okay. So he would use drug induced sleep. He, used doses of thiazine to put patients into an artificial coma. And This drug induced sleep took place in the sleep room, usually lasted from a few days or anything up to eighty six days, much longer than expected by the patients. And Cameron often combined the sleep periods with injections of hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD, as well as administration of electroshocks and the playing of prerecorded messages into parent patient's ears.
ECT, electroconvulsive therapy, also is a procedure used to treat the psychological disorders like treatment resistant depression. Another way of de de pattering the brain was intensive electroconvulsive therapy, electroshock therapy. Usually, two to three daily sessions were ordered consisting of six a 50 volt shocks that lasted one second. After 30 to 40 daily sessions, Cameron progressively reduced the sessions and finished the treatment after a two year follow-up program with one session per month. And also sensory deprivation. Inspired by Donald Hebb's experiment on s on sensory deprivation and human cognition, Cameron included these techniques in his treatment program.
Patients were deprived of their senses by covering their ears, eyes, or skin. Furthermore, patients were given little food, water, and oxygen, and instead were injected with drugs like LSD to keep them in a paralyzed state. In order to repattern the brain, patients had to listen to specific recordings of Cameron repeatedly. This process took place for up to sixteen hours a day, and over the whole period, messages would be repeated up to half a million times altogether. For the first ten days, recordings contained personal negative messages, which were followed by ten days of positive messages.
Anxiety that would emerge in patients was counted with heavy doses of sedating drugs such as sodium amytil and largetil. Not sure if I've pronounced them. So it says it's not known how many people were subjected to the Montreal experiments exactly, but over 300 people have applied for compensation in 1992 with the Canadian government. The subjects of the experiment mainly had mental health issues like depression and schizophrenia and were hoping to get treated for these illnesses by Donald Cameron. None of them had given informed consent to the procedures. All were aware of the experiments being conducted.
This was a gross violation of the Nuremberg Code, a code of ethics set up after World War two. Children and adults from many social backgrounds were experimented on, most of them for up to three years. Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in childlike state and even had to be potty trained. Family described them as even more emotionally unstable as before, and some of them were unable to live a normal life afterwards. One such victim was Jean Steele, whose daughter said that she never returned to be the same woman again. She would sit alone in the dark, write codes all over the world the walls, and according to her daughter, her emotions were stripped. It took away her soul.
It was not until 1975 that the general public were informed about the extent of CIA meddling, largely due to the involvement of the church committee, which was tasked with the investigation of the extent, if any, to which illegal, improper, or unethical activities were engaged in by any agency of the federal government. During the 1977 senate hearing on MK Ultra, senator Edward, Ted Kennedy, called for the release of all the documents pertaining to MK Ultra, saying the best way to put this period behind us, obviously, is to have full information.
The senate hearing also allowed the CIA director of the time, Stansfield Turner, to give his prepared statement and elaborate on the discovery of seven boxes of information related to project MKUltra, most of which turned out to consist of approvals for advance of funds, vouchers, accountings, and the like, most of which are not very informative as to the nature of the activities that were undertaken. This made it very difficult to judge the extent of CIA involvement with the Montreal experiments. More information was revealed in the Canadian CBC documentary series, The Fifth Estate. In 1980, they released the first episode about project MK Ultra, which not only held the testimony of two Canadian patients who'd undergone the treatment speaking out for the first time, but also the revelation that Otterwood aided to suppress information that CIA officials had apologized to the Canadian government following the initial revelation of the experimentation.
The second episode, released in 2017, focuses on the present day struggle of the victims to receive compensation, the hindrances made to prevent them from speaking out about their experiences, and the efforts of the CIA and Canadian government to keep their involvement hidden. Mentioned in a particular in particular are a 1988 class action settlement made by the victims against the world's most committed CIA, which they won receiving $67,000 each and their right to sue the government or the hospital. This compensation did not extend to 250 other victims denied for not being tortured enough, applied too late, or because they couldn't produce medical records.
To this day, neither the Canadian government nor the CIA have issued informal apologies for their involvement and funding of Project MK Ultra or the Montreal experiments. In 2017, the Canada the Canadian government reached out an out of court settlement with the daughter of one of the patients, paying a hundred thousand US dollars in exchange for dropping the legal case and signing a nondisclosure agreement, which would prevent her from talking about the center's, the settlement. So this rabbit hole has led me on to so many pages. And if you do, like, a little Google, you've still got, you've still got people's stories. Last year, I think it was the August 24, there was, lots of activists because there's a new university that's due to be built on top of the site where the hospital was. And because so many children went missing and stuff like that, these activists are trying to, delay the building because they believe that there's unnamed graves and stuff like that.
I'm just trying to find it. Oh, it's typical, wasn't it? Because earlier, it let me, use it. But the New York Times, then it goes, you've got to sign in or create an account. But, yeah, if you Google Experian Montreal, if you're interested, it's, this is just follow I following up on what Joe was talking about last week. So, anyway, I found it very interested, and I want to look a lot more into it. Right. Now I'm gonna start babbling on. That was my little thing tonight. I'm gonna play a quick little song, and then we have an awesome guest joining us in a couple of minutes, the awesome Penny Red. Don't go away.
[00:28:45] Unknown:
A little bird told me that you love me. That you love me. And I believe that you do. I believe you. This little bird told me I was And now
[00:30:53] Unknown:
Great stuff. Right. Let's get Jessica on. She's there. Let's get cameras on. Let's oh, hear me. I don't think I'll rumble. Sorry. Right. Sorry about that, guys. If it went quiet on rumble, I hope you like that song. Hope it played. Right. We've got the awesome Jessica on. Penny Red, We know her from. About right. Penny Red is the founder of Clifford's Kingdom. I'm gonna read you just a little quick paragraph on their website about us. Welcome to Clifford's Kingdom created by founder Jessica Miller, leaving a legacy to a late 19 year old son Clifford Moore where healing meets harmony with equine assisted therapy. Step into our world and experience the transformative power of our Suffolk Punch horses, discover the therapeutic magic they bring, and explore the profound connection between mindfulness and equine companionship.
Whether you seek solace in our carriage rides for special occasions, commemorate life's milestones with our elegant weddings and respectful funerals, or simply wish to immerse yourself in the rich heritage of the Suffolk Punch Horse Horse, Clifford's Kingdom invites you to embark on a journey of healing, hope, and mental wellness. Join us as we open our gates to a sanctuary where the spirit of these majestic creatures guides us towards greater understanding and peace. Right. Let's get the wonderful Jess up. Are you there, Jess?
[00:32:34] Unknown:
Hi.
[00:32:35] Unknown:
Hi, Shelly. I'm here. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Lovely. Are you doing a video or not? If so, you need to click your camera.
[00:32:46] Unknown:
Yes. I'm clicking clicking my camera. Let's see. Enable camera. Enable camera. My camera doesn't seem to want to oh, turn on camera. Yes. It's the first time I've ever done That's alright. Video chat. That's okay. See me.
[00:33:08] Unknown:
No. You've just got a black screen. You. It's just a black screen, Jessica. Have you got your camera covered?
[00:33:19] Unknown:
Let's see. That was a lovely introduction with the piece of the website. Thank you, Shelley.
[00:33:32] Unknown:
Oh, bless you. Don't worry if you can't get it. We can just do audio. That's fine. That's fine. So, I'll just say to the listeners as well, you know we did a million women march about a month ago now coming on. Well, Jessica turned up on her wonderful Suffolk Punch horse with her long red hair flying in the wind, and she rode up to where the march was. And she said, are we gonna do the million women's march? And everybody went, yay. And it was just Oh. Amazing. It was such a good start to the day, and it just shows what you're all about. And, I was fortunate to meet you probably about eleven years ago. I think you came up to look at a horse that I was selling.
And I've seen I did. You did. Yeah. And it's like, I see you pop up on Facebook and stuff, and, of course, I met you again at the million women march. And I thought it'd be great to have you on because you are one of those strong, brave women that speaks up and speaks out. And tell us a bit about your business venture and everything.
[00:34:38] Unknown:
Oh, thank you. Thank you so much, Shelley. Yeah. It was it was great to have your message yesterday. And, oh, yeah. The when I came around the corner with Wyatt at the million woman march and everybody, all you women were stood there and let's give a cheer for the million woman's march. Woo hoo. It was all the energy and to hear everybody cheering and and, uniting for the cause. It it was amazing and, it I felt like it gave everybody great strength.
[00:35:12] Unknown:
I think it did. Nothing more significant than a horse, let alone with a woman riding it with her long hair flowing in the wind. It was a spectacular sight.
[00:35:23] Unknown:
Oh, thank you so much. And it was when, my friend, Amber, introduced me to the Facebook page and I realized what it was all about. I was it really sparked up experience personal experiences from my childhood, and I just felt like I needed to be there. And my courses have been, like, rocks to me. They've been, especially when my son Clifford went back home to the stars four years ago. My horses have been like my complete rocks, and I to to ride him there and lead the women on that march for for the children and the women. It just, yeah, just it I I felt so proud of Wyatt for being there for us all and for, yeah, for carrying that through. He was amazing, and it was yeah. The and the women would just listen into the courage and the the bravery of the women speaking out.
It's yeah. It it really it's really sparked something inside me, with my experience as I've gone through to kind of go further with them.
[00:36:42] Unknown:
But, yeah, I'm still trying to click my camera, Shannon. Don't worry. Don't worry. We'll just do audio, lovely. I've turned mine off now. I've turned on. Have you I've blessed you. I'm so sorry about that. Don't worry. Don't worry. This is live. We don't know what's gonna happen.
[00:36:56] Unknown:
We have got an awful echo though. Awful echo though. Oh, is it let me check my phone. I'll I'll check my phone's not on.
[00:37:07] Unknown:
Oh, technical stuff. It's the main of my life.
[00:37:11] Unknown:
Is that any better, Shelley?
[00:37:14] Unknown:
You're sounding alright. It's more me. Yeah? Do you know? Don't don't worry a minute. I'm gonna I'm gonna message my other half and tell him to run downstairs.
[00:37:25] Unknown:
How does it sound for the listeners?
[00:37:27] Unknown:
Well, I don't know. Actually, it seems to have gone is it there? Alright. We'll carry on. It seems to have gone for the minute. So tell us how how you got to be where you're you are today, Jess, running your cliff Clifford's Kingdom. Tell us all about your venture.
[00:37:44] Unknown:
Thank you. Yes. So I was just, thinking, like, casting my mind back. So we moved to Cornwall in 02/2010, '15 years ago. That was myself and my children. And I wanted a fresh start for them as my eldest two that they'd lost their dad to suicide. And we we came from Doncaster and it's a big town and everybody knows their dad and would put pins to people and be like and it I just found that Clifford, when he heard things about his daddy, he he felt very quiet for days and I could it really affected him. So I used to take them on holidays to different places, and we'd been to Cornwall a a few times.
I used to bring them camping. We camped on, with Ian at at the cliff tops there. And when, we'd we'd got home in the week, and I just had this idea. I just thought if I if I sold the house, we could buy somewhere. And I thought, I wonder where the kids would want to go. So I asked them and they started jumping up and down. It was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh So I looked at what we could afford and and I I did it. I put my house up for sale and within three months, it had sold and we was living in Cornwall starting new adventures. Wow. And Wow. It's amazing. And part of the new adventures was, starting riding lessons.
And I'm the kind of character that if I enjoy an experience, I want everybody to enjoy it. So everybody's getting roped into horse riding and or I I spend a lot a lot of money every week doing it and did it for a few months. And then and then, and then and then oh, what can you let me go now? It's alright. That's okay. I know. That's okay. And then I came up with the I I just thought, well, why don't I why don't we get our own pony? So the first pony that we brought in 02/2010 was Penny Red. And then within two years, we had a a beautiful little herd of ponies and horses, Many of them would which we'd rescued.
And, they they were absolutely fantastic with children, their temperaments. And I came up with the idea of doing a freelance pony ride service where we took the ponies out into the community to Funday's birthday parties. And the council made it a condition of my riding establishment license that I must have had my own stables. So I then came up with the idea of selling the house we lived in to buy some land.
[00:40:39] Unknown:
That's what I did. You follow your dreams, girl. I love it. I love it.
[00:40:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. I do. I just I just have these ideas, and I see, like, these beautiful images of what could be, and then I just take the steps to make it happen. So, yeah, it to say that I'd only ever sat on a horse once when I was 15 years old in Spain to come into Cornwall when I was 30 to buy and buy the first pony to now, breeding magnificent, beautiful Suffolk punch horses and having the privilege to train them for riding and driving and having the honor of giving service for loved ones, funerals, funeral services, and weddings. It's it's, it's just an to work with to work with the the the horses is just such a a wonderful feeling. I get I can imagine. So much more
[00:41:36] Unknown:
So did you did you, like, buy your house and buy land with a house, or did you buy land and think I'm just gonna stick a caravan on it?
[00:41:45] Unknown:
Yeah. We well, we we kind we brought the land and and I rented a property. Of course, I rented a property for six months, and the rent was so expensive, but it was, like, 1,100 a month. And I couldn't afford the rent, so I had so I had to get somewhere a little bit smaller, and that was still, I think, $9.50 a month. And I was still struggling. So a year in and then I was like, I've got no option to put a caravan on-site. So I then put a static caravan on the land and, yeah, we've kind of been here. We did have some some teething problems a few years in into it where I did go back into a house for for about a year, and then, I was fortunate enough to get electric.
It was after Clifford had, his first he had a suicide attempt when he was just before his sixteenth birthday and he really really wanted to get back on the land. So I did everything I could to get the electric on. It cost £10,000 just to bring the electric from the road to the land. Oh my days. Yeah. To bring the kids back onto site, I had to have the electric. So, yeah. So, we came back onto the land and then I think it was the, scandemic, the COVID epidemic.
[00:43:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Five years ago. Yeah.
[00:43:07] Unknown:
And
[00:43:08] Unknown:
and we, oh, it was great for us here because we had motorbikes and horses and a big bit of land to play on. So, yeah, everybody was happy here. And then four years ago, on the April 17, Clifford, he he did. He made his decision that he'd done his work here and that it was his time to to go back home to the stars. Bless him. Where oh, yeah.
[00:43:43] Unknown:
What do you say from where? Yeah.
[00:43:45] Unknown:
You know Yeah. For where I am yeah. It's for where I am now to what I was when he first left, it's I was completely crushed completely, and I couldn't I think for a year, I could not even have a conversation. But I'm I've I've personally feel so lucky that I've been able to have a beautiful connection with Clifford in spirit. And he's opened my spiritual eyes so that I can see the the magic to life. If if they if people if if anyone can resonate with that. So, yeah, I've I've I've had a lot of lot of beautiful experiences with him and his magic with with the the stories with things that happen with the horses are just incredible.
For example, when when Clifford passed, bless him, I didn't realise until the next day that I'd caught him leaving on my CCTV camera. And the shock bit when I realised he'd passed and I hit the phone, the time on the phone was twenty three hours thirty three minutes and thirty three seconds. So 3 on its own is a really powerful number. And I get, oh, I get it in everything. So even when I opened up my Clifford's Kingdom business account, it's got 3 in there. It's on receipts. It's, it's the most beautiful thing about it was when the first baby was born, Trinity, she was born at 2330, so three minutes off 2333.
Then the next year, Katie had a second baby and he was a colt foal. We called him Clifford, and he was born exactly the time of 2333. It was oh, it was it Wow. It was
[00:45:50] Unknown:
yeah. Oh, it it it I love things like that. I mean, it's, like, obviously horrendous circumstances stances, but for you knowing and having that input with him Oh,
[00:46:02] Unknown:
yeah. It was ecstatic. You could feel we we actually my daughter was watching on the camera April, and she came running out to the stables. Mom. Mom. It's a good time. It's a good time. And we looked up, and we could see a a tall dark figure and I everything was going through my head thinking, is it a guest in the pod? Is it somebody? And I was thinking, there's nobody here. And April kind of ran to the door and he he dropped away. And then the car in the car park, the alarm started ringing, and it was just going, and it was like and then I get this such a high vibration where I feel so excited, and I'm like, it is Clifford.
And then we we had a beautiful experience where I caught his spirit on my CCTV camera. And, the baby that was born the next year, when you screenshot the image of his angelic spirit, that shape is in a white patch on on the forehead of the baby Right. Of the foal. Yeah. So it and so that we get all these, like, beautiful little signs, like, just running through, and it it's, yeah, it's just so magical. The some of the things that experiences have just been really magical.
[00:47:22] Unknown:
Oh, bless you. I mean, I know whenever I see you, you always sound so upbeat and chirpy, but you can't be like that all the time, can you? And I know, like, today, you said you had some bad news yesterday.
[00:47:35] Unknown:
Yeah. That's, yeah, that's absolutely right. And and people can they could I can they could see me or hear me, and I'll be chirpy. I like that description. And with a big smile on my face and a big open heart, and then and then I could, like, I could go walk off proudly and then to my car, and then now and then I'll I'll just have my little break, my little my cry, but I I I always oh, I still cry every day. There's the I don't think there's a day that doesn't go by that I don't, but it went it's at a it's a brilliant release just to cry, let those tears out, and and then and then I'll think Clifford something will pop in my mind, and I'll I'll have a little giggle and a smile, and then I'm ready to kick my heels up again and then get on with the whatever's coming at me next.
[00:48:27] Unknown:
Oh, bless you. Bless you. And I know for, like, your job, you've you've had families in today, haven't you? Petting the horses that come in for a session.
[00:48:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Today was lovely. So at Christmas time, I, gave out some vouchers for the schools so that they could give them as raffle prizes. And a lovely family had won a voucher and they came today to meet the horses. They loved it. They they ended up being with us for about four hours and they didn't want to go.
[00:48:58] Unknown:
Oh, lovely.
[00:49:01] Unknown:
So, yeah, it's great. It's it's, it's wonderful to be able to invite people in to to meet the horses and share the share the love that they give and spending time with them is so so therapeutic. Yeah. So that that was one of the main things which, it was when I when I had the experience with Clifford Spirit three months after he'd left, that was because up at that three months, I I I just, oh, I just couldn't do anything. And then when I had that experience that it was like a big it was like Clifford was giving me a big kick up the bum. And I remembered I remembered a conversation that we'd had about doing camping and glamping.
And I was like, right, I'm gonna do camping and glamping in in a week. I just threw everything I had at, like, getting this little room ready. I put some tents up and things, and I I did I did 12,000 pounds in six weeks. Never. If I yeah. And if I hadn't if I had that pick up the up the bum from Clifford, I wouldn't have done it. So yes. And then
[00:50:14] Unknown:
yeah. Yes. I say wow a lot, and I'm jealous, of your fields because I had my fields. I sold my fields to get a house. And, you know, I try I didn't have anyone to lend me any money for a when I look back now, I probably could've Yeah. Beg borrowed and stolen whatever. But, Yeah? Yeah. Anyway, I'll have my time again. Never mind. Yeah. But, oh, wow. So you just so you still got the glamping site up and running now? Will that be doing another summer?
[00:50:44] Unknown:
So I I I've got three three glamping pods and things have got so I I kind of if I see someone and they need help, I I kind I kind of let people use the clamping pods as a little not a bit of long term. Maybe for a month, a couple of months until they can get on their feet for somewhere else because, obviously, they're just a little pod with a bedding, and you've got to walk a couple of minute up the field to a shared bathroom. But, like, there was a sold gentleman we met in a cafe, and he was on here from, Czech Republic.
And he'd been sorting out his parents' house because they passed away. And, he was needing help to get things to the charity shop. And I said I said, oh, we can give you a hand. And he said, well, I've got a tumble dryer and a washing machine if you want anything. I was like, yeah. The washing machine will be handy. And when we got there, where we were storing these things, he'd actually been sleeping in this lorry with a hole in the roof. And I was like, you can't stay in there. I was like, come and stay in one of my pods. So, yeah. So he was called out, but he was lovely. So he was with us for about a month over Christmas.
But you when you know what the wind is like, it got so bad. It it took the took the door off the pod. So they need before I put them back on Airbnb for the Easter season, they do need some fixing up. So if there's any volunteers out there that fancy coming to help pick something up, DIY skill.
[00:52:23] Unknown:
Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah.
[00:52:26] Unknown:
Yeah. We are registered as as a community interest company. So, I'm I'm kinda doing lots of little projects. So I've got a couple of young men who I support. One comes on a Thursday through Rock College, and, oh, he's brilliant. He he he's really he's always on his toes. He you really gotta be thinking one step ahead of him of of what he'd like to do next. Right. So whatever, yeah, whatever whatever project I've got going on, like fencing, it'll help me put a bit of fencing up, and then we've been we've got a little path that's been concreted. So my plan was, I thought, the weather's not being too good, and I know that he's been he's been looking forward to a carriage ride. So we'll give him a horse drawn carriage ride down to Patrice with a book kit. He can get off with his support workers for twenty minutes, get some pebbles, come back up to Clifford's Kingdom on the horses, and then when we get back, mix a bit of cement and just get him to help, like, lay the
[00:53:25] Unknown:
pebbles around the edge of the path. Like, it sounds like a perfect day out.
[00:53:31] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like being creative and, like, getting about with the horses is, yeah, is amazing.
[00:53:38] Unknown:
Yeah. You do. And I mean, I've seen some of the pictures on your website of the funerals and stuff and the weddings. They're amazing.
[00:53:46] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you so much. So, yes. So, obviously, the first funeral service which Wyatt led was Clifford's, and that was, I just I just had this idea in my head, and I was like, no. We've got to lead him there with the horses. But Wyatt wasn't it only just turned three and I'd only just had him in the shafts a couple of times before Clifford left. So I knew and I didn't have a carriage that would, pull a a pull a person and it was, again, he was too young. So he led it and then further into the journey, I I ended up getting my insurance and certificates for the carriage driving to operate commercially.
And I had, a family come and knock at the door by 7PM in the evening from Falmouth, and it was their mum's funeral the next day in the morning. And very, very sadly, the horse booked in for the service. I think it had hurt itself. It was lame and it they couldn't do it and so it was last minute they was trying to find cover. And I said, well, I've got I've got confidence in my horse, but the only thing is the carriage is only four foot square on the back. And the lady, she was lovely. She's a daughter. She's she had a little giggle, and she was like, well, my mom was only five foot one. We could put her on sideways. And I said, right. I said, well, let's do it. Let's do it. So we did it.
And Wyatt was absolutely amazing and and it was such a beautiful feeling. Like, everybody felt they felt like the plans their mom had made who passed the terminal cancer. Bless her. So it was her wishes and her plans to for a final journey to be by horse and carriage. They thought that it was kind of a disaster, and they couldn't fulfill that. So to be able to fulfill that at the last moment and to make everybody feel better at that tragic time, that was it it was a really powerful feeling and that made me want to be of service for other families. So I was like, right. I'm gonna get a I'm gonna get a funeral carriage. So I'm googling it and found a beautiful one for $10 in Ireland, trying to get a loan, couldn't get a loan.
And I'm I'm thinking so I'm I'm, like, starting my conservatory, which is like my little office looking at and thinking, oh, what am I gonna do? And then I cast my eyes on this this scrap carriage which I've got, which I I paid a thousand pound for, and I'm like, hang on a minute. If I strip that down, cut that in half, weld it, and sandblast it, paint it, I said I could so that carriage which I'm using, I actually hand built it. Wow. What an amazing story.
[00:56:55] Unknown:
I love your ideas, how they come about. You just see a fish in it. It's like, right. I'm gonna do this. Yeah. That's it. Crikey, Jessica. We all need a bit of you in our lives, don't we? As a motivation person, life coach, or something. Oh,
[00:57:11] Unknown:
amazing. I tell you what, though. I I I do I I can I can struggle with motivation, though, but sometimes I need someone to kinda just throw me a rope and just give me a little tug? But then once I once the cogs are going, I,
[00:57:26] Unknown:
yeah, I You're in full swing. Full swing. Yeah. Yeah. Full swing. Oh. Well, do we're coming to the to the end now. Crikey, that's gone quick. We you'll have to come back on and talk again. It's been lovely chatting to you. Oh, that'd be amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Fine. So would people, you need to go to Jessica's, website or a ka Penny Red. It is cliffordskingdom.net. That's kli,doublef,0rdskingdom.net. And it all it's got a stunning picture of her with a white dress and a red hair flowing galloping on the beach. And, yeah, just have a little look. And if you're in the Cornwall area, book in, support a local business. Come and use our glamping pods.
A woman of many talents, I should say. And they can also find you on Facebook, Jessica.
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yep. I've got Clifford's Kingdom horse drawn funeral page as a separate and then Clifford's Kingdom, as my kind of official Clifford's Kingdom page. And then Penny read that's kind of my my kind of private page kind of. No.
[00:58:40] Unknown:
Well, thank thank you again. That would it's been amazing. It's been so really inspiring. You take care of yourself, lovely. We'll catch up again. Thanks, Jessica. Thank you so much, honey. Take care. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Oh, what a remarkable woman. Right. That's it for another week, people. I shall be back on Wednesday at 07:00 with, Jason Kristoff. Looking forward to it. Looking forward to it. Suddenly seemed to have an echo and a loud Echo and loud. Noise. Where's that echo from? Anyway, perhaps it was just that channel. Right, guys. I will be back on Wednesday at 07:00, and Eric Von Essex is up next. Have an awesome week. And the music will play.
Good evening to all of the beautiful women out there listening and to the occasional gentlemen listening in too. We know you listen. Welcome to Women's Hour. I am streaming live on radiosoapbox.com and also streaming live on Rumble. If you want to leave any comments or join in with a live chat, today's date is Sunday, 03/09/2025, the end of another week. So we've got the awesome captain Jo Wood for part one. I believe she's on a little journey. So there might be a little bit of background noise. She's in a car. She's doing a bit for the farmers again.
So Jo will be on shortly. And then for part two, I have the awesome Penny Red. So stay tuned. Right. Let's get young Jo Wood on the phone and pray that the connection is okay. She's probably going over a hill or something, a random part of Cornwall that has no connection. Fingers crossed. We will be positive. Good evening, captain Jo Wood.
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Hello. Can you hear me?
[00:03:03] Unknown:
Crikey. Yeah. You sound like you're in a shower, but we can hear you. Sorry about that. Sorry. You know, aircraft noise and all. How are you?
[00:03:16] Unknown:
I'm very well. I am just in the car making my way to Exeter for an emergency farmers meeting. So it is all a little bit last minute. I do apologize for the noise.
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Yes. Yes. It is very noisy. We might have to cut it shorter, Jo, or I'll just do all the talking. No. That's alright. There's just that background roar. But we'll go with the flow for the minute. So go you. Do you ever stop, young lady?
[00:03:48] Unknown:
I know. I know. I just I just want a quiet life now. But I think I think, you know, the rumblings are very, very loud in terms of getting this government out. Obviously, we've had a little bit of trouble with the reform party. Two two higher members, Nigel Farage, the leader, and then another guy called Rupert Lowe, they've had a bit of a major falling out, and they were quite well, they are misbuckers of fathers to actions. So part of the meeting this evening is about that. But in terms of the labor government, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna do shit, but rumors are Rachel Reid is about to quit.
[00:05:00] Unknown:
Oh, I see. Hopefully,
[00:05:02] Unknown:
that is gonna be the straw that breaks the cattle's back and the rest of them will follow. I don't really know much about politics. Is it if the labor government sold, what happened? I have no idea. No idea.
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Well, it all sounds very exciting. You sound like you're a journalist reporting from another country.
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Sometimes I feel like I'm a journalist on another planet. I don't know my arms from my elbows all the
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time. Rather you than me, you are committed. Wow. Well, I'm glad you're all doing your bit. Praise Jo Wood. She is our women farmer fighter. So how has your week been apart from, your, like, emergency journey?
[00:05:56] Unknown:
I've recently been okay. Busy at work. But apart from that well, you know, I mean, I'm at work, but then I I guess I have the luxury where I don't have to ask to anybody. But the the Oh, and she's gone. Oh. Is because my dialogue is to ask the 20 footy, I've also I try to replicate, you know, some cards for the farmers as well. So it's like, I go to work in essence, if I'm going to do two jobs at the same time. So it's always busy, but I've been good. How about you?
[00:06:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I've I've been alright, actually. But and I'll tell you what, Jo. I'm gonna cut you off because it's it's awful. It's awful. I can just about make out what you're saying.
[00:06:52] Unknown:
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
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Oh, don't worry. Don't worry. I've got twenty minutes till the our other guest comes on, and I'm sure I can talk and play a song and stuff. But I think, it's it's dreadful listening, miss captain Jo Wood. And, it's alright. I can just about make it out, but, thank you anyway. I appreciate. I know it's a last minute thing,
[00:07:16] Unknown:
and, it is what it is. Well, yeah, I would've I would've been at home, so, yeah, needs not and all. But next time next time, I make sure that I'm I'm in the cockpit, and it's soundproof.
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Yes. I'm glad to see you're committed. Alright, my lovely. Well, you you have, well, put your foot in. Do your talking work. Be bossy, and I hope the meeting goes well. Okeydokey. Take care, lovely. Lots of love. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye bye. Crikey. I can't listen to that for twenty three minutes. Sorry about that, listeners. But, hey, emergency calls. So that is interesting information. I must admit, I haven't really been following politics too much. You can get a bit bit draggled down by it all, can't you? I do see things pop up, but, yeah. Oh, I shall check out x or Twitter, shortly shortly well after this radio show. So I'll babble on a bit then because, I'll just pretend Jo's asking me questions now because there's a couple of things we were gonna talk about.
She would have said now, how are you, Shelley? How has your week been? Right. So in answer to that, good. Good. I worked on Monday, shift another shift, being a support worker. And you can call it work, but like Joe says, you go to work and do other things. Well, I arrived, and the young man that I was supporting wanted to go for a walk and then go and play snooker. You know, not pool. Proper, full on long tables, snooker cubes, chalk, quiet room, and everything like that. So we walked for about three and a half miles, and, oh, it was amazing.
Because it's a Monday, like, you know, I'm trying to stick to this whole fasting regime and drinking a little less wine. I gotta say the last couple of days, it hasn't, gone to plan. But it's the weekend. You've gotta have a break. But Monday yeah. So we went for a three and a half mile walk, and it was just stunning. Yes. It was fresh. It was cold. But we did quite a countryside walk. And just seeing all the fields, all the daffodils, there was that sense of hope, that sense of clarity that spring is coming, and god knows we all need it. I need it.
I'm just waiting to get that sunbed out and get sunbathing. And we are in the midst, me and my family, of trying to book a holiday. I haven't even got the money yet, but I don't care. I will have. I'm going on holiday for a week, and I'm gonna lie there and soak up some vitamin d. And, I'll beg, borrow, and steal to get there. I think sometimes you've just got to make that move, haven't you? It's like if I book the date, pay a deposit, it's like, right. Crack on now, and you can do the work. And I will. I'm I'm I'm motivated for that. However, as wonderful as Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday was actually Thursday, I hit this tiredness.
Oh, my days. And I've realized, and I do get these old realizations from time to time, being so very tired, and I mean, exhaustedly tired, is almost quite the same as being very depressed. And on Saturday night, I was sat in my bed watching TV about 08:00 in the evening feeling depleted just because I thought I was depressed, because I hadn't really done anything all day. All I wanted to do was sleep. Been like this for a few days. And then you've got the little voice going on in your head. Come on. Push yourself. Tell yourself to be positive. Make yourself get up and do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, I managed to get up yesterday. The the highlight of the day yesterday was going to B and M. And, of course, you never go to B and M without spending, a significant amount, but I do like a bit of B and M. That was our day out, mine and Darren's. And we went and we bought storage. Oh, oh, the feeling of cleansing this house at the moment. It's taken a long time. I can't lie because these little, energy boosts, I might get thirty minutes whereas, like, I can crack on and then I'm exhausted. So we went to B and M, bought loads of storage, and I've cleared out my utility room and now put all the crap into these pretty little storage boxes on my shelves that, you know, you can't see through. It's just taken away all of that. That room is disgusting.
You know, the dog walker comes once a week to pick up the dog, and he comes in that way. And I think he must wonder, why don't they ever sort this room out? Just full of Darren's tools, washing everywhere, welly boots. I mean, utility room is a bit like a junk room, I suppose, isn't it? But I just wanted to make it nice. So I have been on a mission still, cleansing rooms, and now I want even more storage. I just love storage. I always have done. But the selection, you know, what colors do you get? The material, do you go for fabric baskets, wicker baskets? There was a whole aisle of just that sort of stuff. I oh, anyway, did our shopping at B and M. I came home, did all of that, and then I had a siesta because I was exhausted.
And then it's Saturday night, so we decided to have a takeaway. I went to Chinese, and, crikey, I can't remember the last time I had a Chinese because usually makes me feel really bloated and uncomfortable, and you think, oh, I can't eat that again. It was alright. I did have food envy. I wanted Darren's, but it's always the way. If I had Darren's, I would have wanted, you know, the opposite. So it was a nice treat. And then Saturday evening, rather than going out, because, you know, he had offered to take me out because most weekends Darren gigs, and we do try to make the effort. I cleaned my microwave.
Saturday night, and I turned away, out into the pub or out for food, and I cleaned my microwave, sorted out storage in Perrin's room just for an hour. And then literally 08:00, I was in bed watching TV and feeling miserable. And, I don't know. I just feel like I go on about this every week, but it is what I struggle with in my life, like, energy, low moods, up and down, hyper, high, flat. And I look at some people and I think, how can your mental outlook on life just be like a constant line? You know, just content. None of this none of this psychological stuff and things going on like that. So last night, I was convinced I was depressed.
And I sat there, and I binge watched a load of crap TV and started reading a Paul McKenna book about being more confident because it's something I do struggle with sometimes. And it had a really interesting comment in there that if you you was to say to somebody, well, you know, because you might say this now, well, Shelley, you're really confident. You do a radio show. You come us come across as confident. And then I say back to you, well, I'm not confident. I'm not very good at it. Okay. So I am confident that I am giving that right answer. Do you get where I'm coming from? I don't know if that made sense, but I got it. And I just wanted something to try and retrain my brain a bit because when you're feeling like that, all you keep hearing in your head is, oh god. I'm so tired. Oh god. When am I gonna start feeling better? Blah. And it's a vicious circle.
Anyway, had a pleasant evening, woke up this morning, went to work for a whole two hours. It was a short shift. I gladly accepted it because I thought it gets me up for 09:00, and I find that I function much better if I've got something to get up for. However, I do like my sleep time as well. So I went and did my two hours work, then we met mom at the travel agent, but, alas, they were closed. Says on the website, they're open on a Sunday, but they weren't. Anyway, we'll do it sometime in the week. So me and Darren went to Spoons and, haven't been in there for a while neither.
And we had a all day brunch. And interestingly, no eggs came with a breakfast, and they've got a big sign up saying that they've got a shortage, a major shortage of freshly laid eggs. So, I mean, Aldi is right next door. I wanted to go to Aldi then and see if they had any eggs then because because, surely, as a business, you would like be, well, I can source eggs from somewhere. Can we just not pre warn the customers and just say, you know, they're not fresh organic eggs, but they're just caged hen eggs. But I suppose some people would flip off about that, wouldn't they? But they didn't give us anything extra. And this is because Darren ordered on the app. He ordered everything on his phone. And I said, if you'd gone to the bar, you could have said, well, what am I gonna get? Do I get a discount? Because for a large breakfast, you should have had two fried eggs. I mean, I appreciate they give you that one mug of tea for £1.19, I think it is, and then you could stay there all day and keep getting refills. So but it was just silly little thoughts going in my head. Anyway, after that, we came home. And what did I do? I go to sleep.
And I probably slept for a good couple of hours. And then I came around to thinking, do you know what? For the last week, I've been taking a new medication. And I might have mentioned this last week with captain Joe. I've been taking amitriptyline for fibromyalgia pain, pain because I've got a frozen shoulder. Basically, I'm falling apart. My eyesight's deteriorating. I couldn't even see the menu properly in Wetherspoons today. Anyway, I'm not knowing it. I'm just saying how it is because I feel joyful still inside. But, I came back, and I was thinking about this amitriptyline that I've been taking. And I was very scared to start taking it at first, and I looked at every, side effect going because that's just what I do.
And I was a bit put off, so I decided to take, like, half a dose the following no. I had to take half a dose that night. And after looking at lots of research, everybody said different things. And, you know, lots of people I've spoken to have said, oh, amitriptyline makes me trip. Well, I suppose the word trip is in the title, isn't it? And I know my dad struggled with it, said he had terrible nightmares and couldn't get on with it. Well, I'm only taking ten milligrams, but I believe doctor Shelley is here. I could be totally wrong. But I think there is an excessive buildup of that medication, and it's just wiped me out, basically. Wiped me out.
So I'm gonna decrease the dose. I've got my little found my little pill cutter thing earlier, and I'm gonna take it very early on in the evening to see if that helps. Because you're buckard really, aren't you? It's really helped with my sleep. If anything, I'm sleeping too much, though. The aches and pains have gone. I'm sleeping better with my frozen shoulder. But I'm, like, I'm exhausted. And I'm not just saying, like, I'm a little bit tired. I'm literally after we had that walk, after I slept today, we went and walked the dog. I came back. I spent half an hour in my son's room finishing what I started yesterday, and then I went back to bed for another hour.
And I set the alarm and cooked a little did a little bit of cooking, and I've been yawning all evening. I mean, I did worry that I could fall asleep halfway through this show, so I can't carry on like this. So I'll give it a week on this altered dose, and we'll see if it makes any difference. So there's some boring information of why I think I could be absolutely exhausted and wiped out. So I was gonna explain all this to Jo because we haven't even had our normal weekly catch up on a Saturday. And as much as I love that, sometimes I feel like we gotta repeat what we say on a Sunday because we've already chatted about it on a Saturday. But, obviously, lots more swearing, curse words, and stuff like that.
But if you tuned in last week, Joe was talking about the whole MK Ultra thing, five g and stuff. Was it to some anything to do with the jabs and stuff? But how we, like, synchronize with our phones and how things came up. Well, I was watching TikTok a few days ago, and this is my rabbit hole of the week. There's got to be one every week, hasn't there? And, a little TikTok came up, and it just said Montreal experiments, MK Ultra. And I thought, oh, I'll have a little look at that. So I don't know if you guys have heard of this at all. So this is what Wikipedia says.
The Montreal experiments were a series of experiments initially aimed to treat schizophrenia by changing memories and erasing the patient's thoughts using the Scottish psychiatrist Donald Awin Cameron's method of psychic driving, as well as drug induced sleep, intensive electroconvulsive therapy, sensory deprivation, and Thorazine. The experiments were conducted at the Allan Memorial Institute of McGill University between 1957 and 1964 by Cameron and funded by the CIA as part of project MK Ultra, which lasted until 1973 and was only revealed to the public in 1975.
The patients of this experiment expected positive changes from Cameron's treatment. However, these patients suffered severely under conditions that were not in accordance with human rights. Not only the patients, but also their families, show long lasting effects on their mental health. Some of these symptoms include retrograde amnesia, as well as impairments in everyday life abilities such as self care. To this day, the topic of the experiments of Montreal has been kept in the dark by the CAA, who actively prevent information about these experiments from being leaked to the public, whether that be through destruction of files or signing nondisclosure agreements.
Whether or not Cameron was aware that funding for his experiments was coming from the CIA is unclear. It has been argued that he would have carried out the exact same spare experiments if funding had come from a source without ulterior motives. So I oh my crikey. There's so much stuff. But basically okay. So he would use drug induced sleep. He, used doses of thiazine to put patients into an artificial coma. And This drug induced sleep took place in the sleep room, usually lasted from a few days or anything up to eighty six days, much longer than expected by the patients. And Cameron often combined the sleep periods with injections of hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD, as well as administration of electroshocks and the playing of prerecorded messages into parent patient's ears.
ECT, electroconvulsive therapy, also is a procedure used to treat the psychological disorders like treatment resistant depression. Another way of de de pattering the brain was intensive electroconvulsive therapy, electroshock therapy. Usually, two to three daily sessions were ordered consisting of six a 50 volt shocks that lasted one second. After 30 to 40 daily sessions, Cameron progressively reduced the sessions and finished the treatment after a two year follow-up program with one session per month. And also sensory deprivation. Inspired by Donald Hebb's experiment on s on sensory deprivation and human cognition, Cameron included these techniques in his treatment program.
Patients were deprived of their senses by covering their ears, eyes, or skin. Furthermore, patients were given little food, water, and oxygen, and instead were injected with drugs like LSD to keep them in a paralyzed state. In order to repattern the brain, patients had to listen to specific recordings of Cameron repeatedly. This process took place for up to sixteen hours a day, and over the whole period, messages would be repeated up to half a million times altogether. For the first ten days, recordings contained personal negative messages, which were followed by ten days of positive messages.
Anxiety that would emerge in patients was counted with heavy doses of sedating drugs such as sodium amytil and largetil. Not sure if I've pronounced them. So it says it's not known how many people were subjected to the Montreal experiments exactly, but over 300 people have applied for compensation in 1992 with the Canadian government. The subjects of the experiment mainly had mental health issues like depression and schizophrenia and were hoping to get treated for these illnesses by Donald Cameron. None of them had given informed consent to the procedures. All were aware of the experiments being conducted.
This was a gross violation of the Nuremberg Code, a code of ethics set up after World War two. Children and adults from many social backgrounds were experimented on, most of them for up to three years. Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in childlike state and even had to be potty trained. Family described them as even more emotionally unstable as before, and some of them were unable to live a normal life afterwards. One such victim was Jean Steele, whose daughter said that she never returned to be the same woman again. She would sit alone in the dark, write codes all over the world the walls, and according to her daughter, her emotions were stripped. It took away her soul.
It was not until 1975 that the general public were informed about the extent of CIA meddling, largely due to the involvement of the church committee, which was tasked with the investigation of the extent, if any, to which illegal, improper, or unethical activities were engaged in by any agency of the federal government. During the 1977 senate hearing on MK Ultra, senator Edward, Ted Kennedy, called for the release of all the documents pertaining to MK Ultra, saying the best way to put this period behind us, obviously, is to have full information.
The senate hearing also allowed the CIA director of the time, Stansfield Turner, to give his prepared statement and elaborate on the discovery of seven boxes of information related to project MKUltra, most of which turned out to consist of approvals for advance of funds, vouchers, accountings, and the like, most of which are not very informative as to the nature of the activities that were undertaken. This made it very difficult to judge the extent of CIA involvement with the Montreal experiments. More information was revealed in the Canadian CBC documentary series, The Fifth Estate. In 1980, they released the first episode about project MK Ultra, which not only held the testimony of two Canadian patients who'd undergone the treatment speaking out for the first time, but also the revelation that Otterwood aided to suppress information that CIA officials had apologized to the Canadian government following the initial revelation of the experimentation.
The second episode, released in 2017, focuses on the present day struggle of the victims to receive compensation, the hindrances made to prevent them from speaking out about their experiences, and the efforts of the CIA and Canadian government to keep their involvement hidden. Mentioned in a particular in particular are a 1988 class action settlement made by the victims against the world's most committed CIA, which they won receiving $67,000 each and their right to sue the government or the hospital. This compensation did not extend to 250 other victims denied for not being tortured enough, applied too late, or because they couldn't produce medical records.
To this day, neither the Canadian government nor the CIA have issued informal apologies for their involvement and funding of Project MK Ultra or the Montreal experiments. In 2017, the Canada the Canadian government reached out an out of court settlement with the daughter of one of the patients, paying a hundred thousand US dollars in exchange for dropping the legal case and signing a nondisclosure agreement, which would prevent her from talking about the center's, the settlement. So this rabbit hole has led me on to so many pages. And if you do, like, a little Google, you've still got, you've still got people's stories. Last year, I think it was the August 24, there was, lots of activists because there's a new university that's due to be built on top of the site where the hospital was. And because so many children went missing and stuff like that, these activists are trying to, delay the building because they believe that there's unnamed graves and stuff like that.
I'm just trying to find it. Oh, it's typical, wasn't it? Because earlier, it let me, use it. But the New York Times, then it goes, you've got to sign in or create an account. But, yeah, if you Google Experian Montreal, if you're interested, it's, this is just follow I following up on what Joe was talking about last week. So, anyway, I found it very interested, and I want to look a lot more into it. Right. Now I'm gonna start babbling on. That was my little thing tonight. I'm gonna play a quick little song, and then we have an awesome guest joining us in a couple of minutes, the awesome Penny Red. Don't go away.
[00:28:45] Unknown:
A little bird told me that you love me. That you love me. And I believe that you do. I believe you. This little bird told me I was And now
[00:30:53] Unknown:
Great stuff. Right. Let's get Jessica on. She's there. Let's get cameras on. Let's oh, hear me. I don't think I'll rumble. Sorry. Right. Sorry about that, guys. If it went quiet on rumble, I hope you like that song. Hope it played. Right. We've got the awesome Jessica on. Penny Red, We know her from. About right. Penny Red is the founder of Clifford's Kingdom. I'm gonna read you just a little quick paragraph on their website about us. Welcome to Clifford's Kingdom created by founder Jessica Miller, leaving a legacy to a late 19 year old son Clifford Moore where healing meets harmony with equine assisted therapy. Step into our world and experience the transformative power of our Suffolk Punch horses, discover the therapeutic magic they bring, and explore the profound connection between mindfulness and equine companionship.
Whether you seek solace in our carriage rides for special occasions, commemorate life's milestones with our elegant weddings and respectful funerals, or simply wish to immerse yourself in the rich heritage of the Suffolk Punch Horse Horse, Clifford's Kingdom invites you to embark on a journey of healing, hope, and mental wellness. Join us as we open our gates to a sanctuary where the spirit of these majestic creatures guides us towards greater understanding and peace. Right. Let's get the wonderful Jess up. Are you there, Jess?
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Hi.
[00:32:35] Unknown:
Hi, Shelly. I'm here. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Lovely. Are you doing a video or not? If so, you need to click your camera.
[00:32:46] Unknown:
Yes. I'm clicking clicking my camera. Let's see. Enable camera. Enable camera. My camera doesn't seem to want to oh, turn on camera. Yes. It's the first time I've ever done That's alright. Video chat. That's okay. See me.
[00:33:08] Unknown:
No. You've just got a black screen. You. It's just a black screen, Jessica. Have you got your camera covered?
[00:33:19] Unknown:
Let's see. That was a lovely introduction with the piece of the website. Thank you, Shelley.
[00:33:32] Unknown:
Oh, bless you. Don't worry if you can't get it. We can just do audio. That's fine. That's fine. So, I'll just say to the listeners as well, you know we did a million women march about a month ago now coming on. Well, Jessica turned up on her wonderful Suffolk Punch horse with her long red hair flying in the wind, and she rode up to where the march was. And she said, are we gonna do the million women's march? And everybody went, yay. And it was just Oh. Amazing. It was such a good start to the day, and it just shows what you're all about. And, I was fortunate to meet you probably about eleven years ago. I think you came up to look at a horse that I was selling.
And I've seen I did. You did. Yeah. And it's like, I see you pop up on Facebook and stuff, and, of course, I met you again at the million women march. And I thought it'd be great to have you on because you are one of those strong, brave women that speaks up and speaks out. And tell us a bit about your business venture and everything.
[00:34:38] Unknown:
Oh, thank you. Thank you so much, Shelley. Yeah. It was it was great to have your message yesterday. And, oh, yeah. The when I came around the corner with Wyatt at the million woman march and everybody, all you women were stood there and let's give a cheer for the million woman's march. Woo hoo. It was all the energy and to hear everybody cheering and and, uniting for the cause. It it was amazing and, it I felt like it gave everybody great strength.
[00:35:12] Unknown:
I think it did. Nothing more significant than a horse, let alone with a woman riding it with her long hair flowing in the wind. It was a spectacular sight.
[00:35:23] Unknown:
Oh, thank you so much. And it was when, my friend, Amber, introduced me to the Facebook page and I realized what it was all about. I was it really sparked up experience personal experiences from my childhood, and I just felt like I needed to be there. And my courses have been, like, rocks to me. They've been, especially when my son Clifford went back home to the stars four years ago. My horses have been like my complete rocks, and I to to ride him there and lead the women on that march for for the children and the women. It just, yeah, just it I I felt so proud of Wyatt for being there for us all and for, yeah, for carrying that through. He was amazing, and it was yeah. The and the women would just listen into the courage and the the bravery of the women speaking out.
It's yeah. It it really it's really sparked something inside me, with my experience as I've gone through to kind of go further with them.
[00:36:42] Unknown:
But, yeah, I'm still trying to click my camera, Shannon. Don't worry. Don't worry. We'll just do audio, lovely. I've turned mine off now. I've turned on. Have you I've blessed you. I'm so sorry about that. Don't worry. Don't worry. This is live. We don't know what's gonna happen.
[00:36:56] Unknown:
We have got an awful echo though. Awful echo though. Oh, is it let me check my phone. I'll I'll check my phone's not on.
[00:37:07] Unknown:
Oh, technical stuff. It's the main of my life.
[00:37:11] Unknown:
Is that any better, Shelley?
[00:37:14] Unknown:
You're sounding alright. It's more me. Yeah? Do you know? Don't don't worry a minute. I'm gonna I'm gonna message my other half and tell him to run downstairs.
[00:37:25] Unknown:
How does it sound for the listeners?
[00:37:27] Unknown:
Well, I don't know. Actually, it seems to have gone is it there? Alright. We'll carry on. It seems to have gone for the minute. So tell us how how you got to be where you're you are today, Jess, running your cliff Clifford's Kingdom. Tell us all about your venture.
[00:37:44] Unknown:
Thank you. Yes. So I was just, thinking, like, casting my mind back. So we moved to Cornwall in 02/2010, '15 years ago. That was myself and my children. And I wanted a fresh start for them as my eldest two that they'd lost their dad to suicide. And we we came from Doncaster and it's a big town and everybody knows their dad and would put pins to people and be like and it I just found that Clifford, when he heard things about his daddy, he he felt very quiet for days and I could it really affected him. So I used to take them on holidays to different places, and we'd been to Cornwall a a few times.
I used to bring them camping. We camped on, with Ian at at the cliff tops there. And when, we'd we'd got home in the week, and I just had this idea. I just thought if I if I sold the house, we could buy somewhere. And I thought, I wonder where the kids would want to go. So I asked them and they started jumping up and down. It was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh So I looked at what we could afford and and I I did it. I put my house up for sale and within three months, it had sold and we was living in Cornwall starting new adventures. Wow. And Wow. It's amazing. And part of the new adventures was, starting riding lessons.
And I'm the kind of character that if I enjoy an experience, I want everybody to enjoy it. So everybody's getting roped into horse riding and or I I spend a lot a lot of money every week doing it and did it for a few months. And then and then, and then and then oh, what can you let me go now? It's alright. That's okay. I know. That's okay. And then I came up with the I I just thought, well, why don't I why don't we get our own pony? So the first pony that we brought in 02/2010 was Penny Red. And then within two years, we had a a beautiful little herd of ponies and horses, Many of them would which we'd rescued.
And, they they were absolutely fantastic with children, their temperaments. And I came up with the idea of doing a freelance pony ride service where we took the ponies out into the community to Funday's birthday parties. And the council made it a condition of my riding establishment license that I must have had my own stables. So I then came up with the idea of selling the house we lived in to buy some land.
[00:40:39] Unknown:
That's what I did. You follow your dreams, girl. I love it. I love it.
[00:40:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. I do. I just I just have these ideas, and I see, like, these beautiful images of what could be, and then I just take the steps to make it happen. So, yeah, it to say that I'd only ever sat on a horse once when I was 15 years old in Spain to come into Cornwall when I was 30 to buy and buy the first pony to now, breeding magnificent, beautiful Suffolk punch horses and having the privilege to train them for riding and driving and having the honor of giving service for loved ones, funerals, funeral services, and weddings. It's it's, it's just an to work with to work with the the the horses is just such a a wonderful feeling. I get I can imagine. So much more
[00:41:36] Unknown:
So did you did you, like, buy your house and buy land with a house, or did you buy land and think I'm just gonna stick a caravan on it?
[00:41:45] Unknown:
Yeah. We well, we we kind we brought the land and and I rented a property. Of course, I rented a property for six months, and the rent was so expensive, but it was, like, 1,100 a month. And I couldn't afford the rent, so I had so I had to get somewhere a little bit smaller, and that was still, I think, $9.50 a month. And I was still struggling. So a year in and then I was like, I've got no option to put a caravan on-site. So I then put a static caravan on the land and, yeah, we've kind of been here. We did have some some teething problems a few years in into it where I did go back into a house for for about a year, and then, I was fortunate enough to get electric.
It was after Clifford had, his first he had a suicide attempt when he was just before his sixteenth birthday and he really really wanted to get back on the land. So I did everything I could to get the electric on. It cost £10,000 just to bring the electric from the road to the land. Oh my days. Yeah. To bring the kids back onto site, I had to have the electric. So, yeah. So, we came back onto the land and then I think it was the, scandemic, the COVID epidemic.
[00:43:04] Unknown:
Yeah. Five years ago. Yeah.
[00:43:07] Unknown:
And
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and we, oh, it was great for us here because we had motorbikes and horses and a big bit of land to play on. So, yeah, everybody was happy here. And then four years ago, on the April 17, Clifford, he he did. He made his decision that he'd done his work here and that it was his time to to go back home to the stars. Bless him. Where oh, yeah.
[00:43:43] Unknown:
What do you say from where? Yeah.
[00:43:45] Unknown:
You know Yeah. For where I am yeah. It's for where I am now to what I was when he first left, it's I was completely crushed completely, and I couldn't I think for a year, I could not even have a conversation. But I'm I've I've personally feel so lucky that I've been able to have a beautiful connection with Clifford in spirit. And he's opened my spiritual eyes so that I can see the the magic to life. If if they if people if if anyone can resonate with that. So, yeah, I've I've I've had a lot of lot of beautiful experiences with him and his magic with with the the stories with things that happen with the horses are just incredible.
For example, when when Clifford passed, bless him, I didn't realise until the next day that I'd caught him leaving on my CCTV camera. And the shock bit when I realised he'd passed and I hit the phone, the time on the phone was twenty three hours thirty three minutes and thirty three seconds. So 3 on its own is a really powerful number. And I get, oh, I get it in everything. So even when I opened up my Clifford's Kingdom business account, it's got 3 in there. It's on receipts. It's, it's the most beautiful thing about it was when the first baby was born, Trinity, she was born at 2330, so three minutes off 2333.
Then the next year, Katie had a second baby and he was a colt foal. We called him Clifford, and he was born exactly the time of 2333. It was oh, it was it Wow. It was
[00:45:50] Unknown:
yeah. Oh, it it it I love things like that. I mean, it's, like, obviously horrendous circumstances stances, but for you knowing and having that input with him Oh,
[00:46:02] Unknown:
yeah. It was ecstatic. You could feel we we actually my daughter was watching on the camera April, and she came running out to the stables. Mom. Mom. It's a good time. It's a good time. And we looked up, and we could see a a tall dark figure and I everything was going through my head thinking, is it a guest in the pod? Is it somebody? And I was thinking, there's nobody here. And April kind of ran to the door and he he dropped away. And then the car in the car park, the alarm started ringing, and it was just going, and it was like and then I get this such a high vibration where I feel so excited, and I'm like, it is Clifford.
And then we we had a beautiful experience where I caught his spirit on my CCTV camera. And, the baby that was born the next year, when you screenshot the image of his angelic spirit, that shape is in a white patch on on the forehead of the baby Right. Of the foal. Yeah. So it and so that we get all these, like, beautiful little signs, like, just running through, and it it's, yeah, it's just so magical. The some of the things that experiences have just been really magical.
[00:47:22] Unknown:
Oh, bless you. I mean, I know whenever I see you, you always sound so upbeat and chirpy, but you can't be like that all the time, can you? And I know, like, today, you said you had some bad news yesterday.
[00:47:35] Unknown:
Yeah. That's, yeah, that's absolutely right. And and people can they could I can they could see me or hear me, and I'll be chirpy. I like that description. And with a big smile on my face and a big open heart, and then and then I could, like, I could go walk off proudly and then to my car, and then now and then I'll I'll just have my little break, my little my cry, but I I I always oh, I still cry every day. There's the I don't think there's a day that doesn't go by that I don't, but it went it's at a it's a brilliant release just to cry, let those tears out, and and then and then I'll think Clifford something will pop in my mind, and I'll I'll have a little giggle and a smile, and then I'm ready to kick my heels up again and then get on with the whatever's coming at me next.
[00:48:27] Unknown:
Oh, bless you. Bless you. And I know for, like, your job, you've you've had families in today, haven't you? Petting the horses that come in for a session.
[00:48:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Today was lovely. So at Christmas time, I, gave out some vouchers for the schools so that they could give them as raffle prizes. And a lovely family had won a voucher and they came today to meet the horses. They loved it. They they ended up being with us for about four hours and they didn't want to go.
[00:48:58] Unknown:
Oh, lovely.
[00:49:01] Unknown:
So, yeah, it's great. It's it's, it's wonderful to be able to invite people in to to meet the horses and share the share the love that they give and spending time with them is so so therapeutic. Yeah. So that that was one of the main things which, it was when I when I had the experience with Clifford Spirit three months after he'd left, that was because up at that three months, I I I just, oh, I just couldn't do anything. And then when I had that experience that it was like a big it was like Clifford was giving me a big kick up the bum. And I remembered I remembered a conversation that we'd had about doing camping and glamping.
And I was like, right, I'm gonna do camping and glamping in in a week. I just threw everything I had at, like, getting this little room ready. I put some tents up and things, and I I did I did 12,000 pounds in six weeks. Never. If I yeah. And if I hadn't if I had that pick up the up the bum from Clifford, I wouldn't have done it. So yes. And then
[00:50:14] Unknown:
yeah. Yes. I say wow a lot, and I'm jealous, of your fields because I had my fields. I sold my fields to get a house. And, you know, I try I didn't have anyone to lend me any money for a when I look back now, I probably could've Yeah. Beg borrowed and stolen whatever. But, Yeah? Yeah. Anyway, I'll have my time again. Never mind. Yeah. But, oh, wow. So you just so you still got the glamping site up and running now? Will that be doing another summer?
[00:50:44] Unknown:
So I I I've got three three glamping pods and things have got so I I kind of if I see someone and they need help, I I kind I kind of let people use the clamping pods as a little not a bit of long term. Maybe for a month, a couple of months until they can get on their feet for somewhere else because, obviously, they're just a little pod with a bedding, and you've got to walk a couple of minute up the field to a shared bathroom. But, like, there was a sold gentleman we met in a cafe, and he was on here from, Czech Republic.
And he'd been sorting out his parents' house because they passed away. And, he was needing help to get things to the charity shop. And I said I said, oh, we can give you a hand. And he said, well, I've got a tumble dryer and a washing machine if you want anything. I was like, yeah. The washing machine will be handy. And when we got there, where we were storing these things, he'd actually been sleeping in this lorry with a hole in the roof. And I was like, you can't stay in there. I was like, come and stay in one of my pods. So, yeah. So he was called out, but he was lovely. So he was with us for about a month over Christmas.
But you when you know what the wind is like, it got so bad. It it took the took the door off the pod. So they need before I put them back on Airbnb for the Easter season, they do need some fixing up. So if there's any volunteers out there that fancy coming to help pick something up, DIY skill.
[00:52:23] Unknown:
Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah.
[00:52:26] Unknown:
Yeah. We are registered as as a community interest company. So, I'm I'm kinda doing lots of little projects. So I've got a couple of young men who I support. One comes on a Thursday through Rock College, and, oh, he's brilliant. He he he's really he's always on his toes. He you really gotta be thinking one step ahead of him of of what he'd like to do next. Right. So whatever, yeah, whatever whatever project I've got going on, like fencing, it'll help me put a bit of fencing up, and then we've been we've got a little path that's been concreted. So my plan was, I thought, the weather's not being too good, and I know that he's been he's been looking forward to a carriage ride. So we'll give him a horse drawn carriage ride down to Patrice with a book kit. He can get off with his support workers for twenty minutes, get some pebbles, come back up to Clifford's Kingdom on the horses, and then when we get back, mix a bit of cement and just get him to help, like, lay the
[00:53:25] Unknown:
pebbles around the edge of the path. Like, it sounds like a perfect day out.
[00:53:31] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like being creative and, like, getting about with the horses is, yeah, is amazing.
[00:53:38] Unknown:
Yeah. You do. And I mean, I've seen some of the pictures on your website of the funerals and stuff and the weddings. They're amazing.
[00:53:46] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you so much. So, yes. So, obviously, the first funeral service which Wyatt led was Clifford's, and that was, I just I just had this idea in my head, and I was like, no. We've got to lead him there with the horses. But Wyatt wasn't it only just turned three and I'd only just had him in the shafts a couple of times before Clifford left. So I knew and I didn't have a carriage that would, pull a a pull a person and it was, again, he was too young. So he led it and then further into the journey, I I ended up getting my insurance and certificates for the carriage driving to operate commercially.
And I had, a family come and knock at the door by 7PM in the evening from Falmouth, and it was their mum's funeral the next day in the morning. And very, very sadly, the horse booked in for the service. I think it had hurt itself. It was lame and it they couldn't do it and so it was last minute they was trying to find cover. And I said, well, I've got I've got confidence in my horse, but the only thing is the carriage is only four foot square on the back. And the lady, she was lovely. She's a daughter. She's she had a little giggle, and she was like, well, my mom was only five foot one. We could put her on sideways. And I said, right. I said, well, let's do it. Let's do it. So we did it.
And Wyatt was absolutely amazing and and it was such a beautiful feeling. Like, everybody felt they felt like the plans their mom had made who passed the terminal cancer. Bless her. So it was her wishes and her plans to for a final journey to be by horse and carriage. They thought that it was kind of a disaster, and they couldn't fulfill that. So to be able to fulfill that at the last moment and to make everybody feel better at that tragic time, that was it it was a really powerful feeling and that made me want to be of service for other families. So I was like, right. I'm gonna get a I'm gonna get a funeral carriage. So I'm googling it and found a beautiful one for $10 in Ireland, trying to get a loan, couldn't get a loan.
And I'm I'm thinking so I'm I'm, like, starting my conservatory, which is like my little office looking at and thinking, oh, what am I gonna do? And then I cast my eyes on this this scrap carriage which I've got, which I I paid a thousand pound for, and I'm like, hang on a minute. If I strip that down, cut that in half, weld it, and sandblast it, paint it, I said I could so that carriage which I'm using, I actually hand built it. Wow. What an amazing story.
[00:56:55] Unknown:
I love your ideas, how they come about. You just see a fish in it. It's like, right. I'm gonna do this. Yeah. That's it. Crikey, Jessica. We all need a bit of you in our lives, don't we? As a motivation person, life coach, or something. Oh,
[00:57:11] Unknown:
amazing. I tell you what, though. I I I do I I can I can struggle with motivation, though, but sometimes I need someone to kinda just throw me a rope and just give me a little tug? But then once I once the cogs are going, I,
[00:57:26] Unknown:
yeah, I You're in full swing. Full swing. Yeah. Yeah. Full swing. Oh. Well, do we're coming to the to the end now. Crikey, that's gone quick. We you'll have to come back on and talk again. It's been lovely chatting to you. Oh, that'd be amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Fine. So would people, you need to go to Jessica's, website or a ka Penny Red. It is cliffordskingdom.net. That's kli,doublef,0rdskingdom.net. And it all it's got a stunning picture of her with a white dress and a red hair flowing galloping on the beach. And, yeah, just have a little look. And if you're in the Cornwall area, book in, support a local business. Come and use our glamping pods.
A woman of many talents, I should say. And they can also find you on Facebook, Jessica.
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yep. I've got Clifford's Kingdom horse drawn funeral page as a separate and then Clifford's Kingdom, as my kind of official Clifford's Kingdom page. And then Penny read that's kind of my my kind of private page kind of. No.
[00:58:40] Unknown:
Well, thank thank you again. That would it's been amazing. It's been so really inspiring. You take care of yourself, lovely. We'll catch up again. Thanks, Jessica. Thank you so much, honey. Take care. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Oh, what a remarkable woman. Right. That's it for another week, people. I shall be back on Wednesday at 07:00 with, Jason Kristoff. Looking forward to it. Looking forward to it. Suddenly seemed to have an echo and a loud Echo and loud. Noise. Where's that echo from? Anyway, perhaps it was just that channel. Right, guys. I will be back on Wednesday at 07:00, and Eric Von Essex is up next. Have an awesome week. And the music will play.
Introduction and Guest Line-up
Conversation with Captain Jo Wood
Shelley's Week and Personal Reflections
Medication and Health Challenges
Exploration of MK Ultra and Montreal Experiments
Introduction to Penny Red and Clifford's Kingdom
Jessica's Journey and Clifford's Kingdom
Funeral Services and Community Impact
