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Women's Hour broadcasts live every Sunday at 7:00p.m. uk time. 

Join us every Sunday at 7pm uk time for Women’s Hour, the show that celebrates and amplifies the voices of women from all walks of life. Each week, we dive into a rich blend of topics, from personal stories and current affairs to health, culture, and the challenges women face in today's world. With expert guests, thought-provoking discussions, and inspiring interviews, Women’s Hour offers a platform for empowerment, education, and connection. Whether you're tuning in for insightful advice, a dose of inspiration, or just a moment to feel heard, Women’s Hour is here to celebrate you.


In this episode of Women's Hour, we dive into a range of topics from health remedies to societal issues. We start with a candid conversation about the reluctance to use medication for pain relief and the exploration of natural supplements, including a new drink called Tripp, which contains ingredients like lion's mane and ashwagandha.

Our guest, Captain Jo Wood, shares her experiences dealing with stress, particularly in the farming industry, and the challenges of campaigning against inheritance tax. We discuss the complexities of inheritance tax and the broader implications for society.

The conversation shifts to a controversial cinema advert titled "Dairy is Scary," which highlights the ethical concerns surrounding the dairy industry. We explore the impact of such adverts on public perception and the biases they may present.

We also delve into the topic of gender identity and societal norms, discussing the influence of media and culture on perceptions of gender and identity. The conversation touches on the potential effects of environmental factors, such as pollutants in water, on gender identity.

Our second guest, Debbie Hicks, shares her experiences as an activist and discusses the challenges of addressing women's rights and the cultural issues surrounding gender and identity. We explore the complexities of modern society, including the impact of self-service technology on employment and the broader implications of a "pick and mix" culture.

Join us for a thought-provoking discussion on these pressing issues and more.

[00:01:00] Unknown:

Good evening to all of the beautiful women out there on the occasional gent listening in as well.   You are listening to Women's Hour going live on radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   I'm also streaming live via Rumble. If you want to pop over that way, you can   leave any comments or join in the chat.   Today's date is Sunday, February.   They're brewer y February. I can never say that word. Twenty twenty five.   So   let's get captain Jo on.   She seems to be on mute. Good evening, miss Jo Wood. Are you there?   She is there. I can see her in the waiting room.  

Technical stuff. Technical stuff. You've got that red.   There we are.  

[00:01:48] Unknown:

Good evening. It was just a bit slow on the uptake.  

[00:01:52] Unknown:

That's alright. Good evening, captain Joe. How are you doing?  

[00:01:57] Unknown:

Hello, miss Tasker. I'm very well well. Yeah. I'm very well. I'm very well. You? Yeah. I'm good. I'm on the up. Up. Up. Up. Up. So,   Excellent.  

[00:02:08] Unknown:

Yes. Wasn't feeling the best when we had our weekly catch up last night. And,   amazingly,   I took well, when I was chatting to you, I took a phone.   And isn't it crazy how we, like, we get it into our heads   that you don't wanna be popping pills? There was a time years ago, slight headache, I'd pop a pill.   And now all the stuff I know about medication and stuff, I'm like, no. It'll ruin my gut health. But I have persevered for a couple of weeks with really bad pain with this frozen frozen shoulder.   And last night, I took a couple of tablets, which enabled me to do some very strange leaning exercises.   But today,   touch wood, touch my desk, the pain has more or less subsided.  

I'm sure it isn't for just one   dose, but it's just we've got it drilled into our heads, haven't we, a lot of us, that   don't take it unless you really have to.  

[00:03:00] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:03:04] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I I do pay homage   to that to a degree.   But as you well know,   I'm   I'm not good at being ill,   and I don't do pain.   So,   you know, if if I've got pain,   then I'm sorry.   The pills are gonna be popped. I'll do everything,   you   know, within my power and within a natural realm   to prevent any of that stuff. But the moment it overtakes,   I'm sorry. I'm all in. I'm I'm popping those pills.   But interestingly   enough now you know I'm a bit of a sucker for TikTok. Oh, I should not be on that thing. I should not be on that. It's very dangerous for me.   But I was on there on   Friday,   very late evening.  

First of all, I need to say how impressed I am at the service that you get on such a trashy   platform. Really? You order something,   and it comes within, like, what feels like minutes.   So my delivery   arrived today. Do you wanna guess what it is?  

[00:04:23] Unknown:

Oh, no. I don't. I don't. It could be anything with you. Supplements.   Supplements.  

[00:04:29] Unknown:

Yeah. There there you go. There you go. Now   I'm I'm I'm elevating myself in the world of supplements   to a degree.   I've gone   liquids.   I've bought a product. Now I've seen this around probably for the last twelve   twelve, eighteen months, maybe slightly longer.   It's a little drink   called   Tripp.   Oh. And,   it is,   for one of a better word, totally   natural. It is carbonated,   so it is fizzy,   but it doesn't have any nasties   in it. What it does have is   lion's mane,   magnesium,   and ashwagandha.  

[00:05:16] Unknown:

Oh.  

[00:05:17] Unknown:

So and it's apparently, the flavors I think there's there's   four may no. Three, maybe four flavors.   So I got a mix. I got   elderberry   and   raspberry, I think,   mint and cucumber,   and   blood orange and rosemary.   So I gotta crack one of those open   after my evening meal   and see whether that just sort of takes life's edge off a little bit.  

[00:05:53] Unknown:

What? For the stress?  

[00:05:56] Unknown:

The stress because   I'd I'd tell you. I mean, I know we briefly touched on it yesterday, but,   the stress that these farmers are causing me. You know, forget about the passengers in the bloody seven five seven or whatever it is I happen to be flying that day.   These farmers,   they're they're just a a different breed, a different breed. They really are.   So lots of stressful things   coming up. Lots of stressful  

[00:06:27] Unknown:

activities on the horizon. I do like it when I ask you, so what's new? And you sit down and you say bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep. You're obviously not saying bleep. And then you say, is Piran in the room?   No.   And then you start again with another word that's bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, and you get it all out your system. And then it's like, right. This is what's going on.  

[00:06:49] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, the you know?   Would you like to elaborate what's going on there? Well, I I I was just about to say I I don't even know where to start other than,   you know, I've heard this expression before,   and I understand   what it means.   But I haven't fully   grasped   the intensity   of the meaning nor have I   experienced   firsthand   the meaning of. It's like herding cats.   And when you're dealing with farmers,   it's like   herding   Bengal   cats,   pumas,   lions,   tigers, all at once, all all going off in different directions.   And and trying to get them back with, like, you know, the kitty cat shaking at the box or the food   or the beer or the cider.  

It it it's a little impossible at times, but   hopefully, we've got there. Hopefully, we've got there. We're still fighting the IHT,   and I understand  

[00:08:02] Unknown:

That's inheritance   tax,   guys, if you're unfamiliar.   That's right, isn't it? Yeah.  

[00:08:09] Unknown:

It yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Correct.   I I understand.   You still there? I've got a little bit of feedback. Hello? Hello?  

[00:08:24] Unknown:

Can you hear me? Something  

[00:08:26] Unknown:

yeah. Something very odd happened there, but, nevertheless, we crack on.   I understand inheritance tax for a lot of people   is almost like a red flag. They're like, well, why should it be abolished for all?   And I totally get that, and I very much agree with that. I don't believe that it should be fully abolished for all.   However,   I think when you're campaigning   for   something that is so   so convoluted   and such an in-depth conversation,   It's not something you can really campaign   can campaign   for and say   inheritance   tax for all, but not the big cats.  

I think, you know,   if if you campaign for   abolish it for all,   you can then open that up to a conversation   and say,   we believe that it should be abolished for all.   However, the caveat to that would be   the big fat cats that can actually afford it. But then when you unwrap   the big cats,   it's quite evident   that they   have   huge sums of money   to be able to still get out of it   even though there may be   a caveat that   says they have to pay for it. They you know, it's been going on for eons. And if you have that amount of money,   you have some very, very clever people around you   that can hide that money. So I   think   I think really for a direction   and ease to say abolish inheritance tax for all is a much easier campaign,   and I think and I would like to hope when   when that gets passed,   legislation   can look at   perhaps   sanctions, perhaps   tax   costs   for those   that have   over a higher tax bracket of in the millions   would pay tax on their land   if it gets handed down to a younger generation.  

So all of that has been going on within the farmers' world, and there's been lots and lots of discussions   and,   you know, maybe one or two heated arguments.   So hopefully, we're at the end of that,   along with   almost   signing off for   the farming season,   another big campaign that should be,   should should play out well in in terms of the media optics. Put it that way.  

[00:11:25] Unknown:

Sounds exciting.   And I was scrolling through,   your page. I was snooping your Facebook page,   and I I saw that you posted it the other day, actually.   And it's the advert that they're going to be putting into cinemas.   Dairy is scary.   Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I've downloaded that one minute clip. I'm I'm gonna play it so the listeners can so this is gonna be going   out. Do we know when it's going out?  

[00:11:58] Unknown:

I think   sometime in March. I think the March.  

[00:12:04] Unknown:

Right. Interesting. Right. Have a listen to this, guys.  

[00:12:37] Unknown:

What have you done with my baby?  

[00:12:40] Unknown:

You can't keep your baby   because we want   your  

[00:12:50] Unknown:

milk.   Almost every dairy calf is taken from their mother shortly after birth, so most of her milk can be sold to us. And what do you think happens to thousands of male babies like this one?  

[00:13:14] Unknown:

And that's that.   Nice little song to end it there.   Wow. I couldn't believe it when I watched that earlier. Crikey.   And I don't know if there'll be, like, an age certificate on that because it's a bit of a gory video, isn't it, with a man looking very sinister and wicked?  

[00:13:31] Unknown:

But wow. It it's   it's it's a terrible visual, you know, just picking up on what you said about that man.   If you can imagine   a bald headed man   that looks like he's been dug up, that has,   like, fangs for every tooth   in his mouth, you know, so they've all, like, been filed down into a point.   Long dirty fingernails.   It's just absolutely   horrific.   Horrific.   And,   you know, I really did take umbrage. And within the group that I work with, I was tasked to write in quite a stern letter   to the,   big stakeholders   and   sort of main players within the cinema. So that has been   sent out, I believe, now.  

But,   you know, one, it's absolutely   psychologically   damning and damaging   to anybody,   let alone young people   watching it. You know, that would scar any parent for life.   And two, it's a really,   well, it's heavily biased towards   the people that,   sanctioned the making of it, which is the vegan charity.   You know, there is no balanced   argument that just   to, produce   just produce   one   one almond nut   takes 3.2   gallons of water   just to bring that nut to,   you know, full growth.   So if you are   growing a plantation of,   you know, trees,   could you imagine the resources on the water that you would need   to to bring those to harvest.  

So,   you know, in one breath, they're trying to say milk is bad for the environment and for your baby because,   one, you know, though those calves get taken away from their mothers. Yes. They do,   but you're not really   sort of shedding the light on the whole farming ethos.   And why should meat eaters be penalised   for   eating meat?   That is a freedom of choice whether you, I, or any vegetarian,   vegan out there agrees or disagrees. It it comes down to freedom of choice.   So in essence, one, it's absolutely horrific, and two, it's a very biased advert. As you can imagine,   I told them that in so many words.  



[00:16:21] Unknown:

Yeah. It's it is frightening the adverts that you do see at the cinema. Actually, I was enraged last time I went how   they were advertising something, but it was obviously,   like, two men with a newborn baby and stuff, the whole virtual signaling. You know, we would never have seen this back in the day. And some people would say, well, you know, two men do have a baby. Sometimes they adopt and blah blah blah. It's nice for people to see the diversity.   No. It's confusing the bleep out of children's   minds, isn't it?  

[00:16:54] Unknown:

Yes.   You know, I mean,   call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but   I   I've spent quite   some time,   as you undoubtedly   down many rabbit holes   only to come out with   logical answers. And just picking up on what you've said about, you know, men having babies, let's take that one step further.   It's, you know,   setting the scene that   it's okay   to think that   men   can have babies   in a   organic fashion   because that man doesn't identify as being a man. So then you look into it and then you're,   well, why would they think that? And the logical reason that I come out of those rabbit holes with is   there's got to be something in the water,   and that there really, really has. So,   again, you know, one of the hot topics we talk about within the farming industry is   the   the pollutants   in the water, the pollutants   within,   the sludge, the slurry,   that they   spread on the fields because they go to the sewage   plant   after the water has supposedly been   filtered and cleaned,   and they're left with something called sludge cake.  

And that sludge is, as it sounds, it's just the top   level of all the crusty sludge   that   the sewage company can't dispose of.   But because it's organic   matter,   supposedly,   the farmers   get paid   a minimal amount   to take it and spread it on the fields for fertilisers.   Now therein lies the problem that one,   it's full of microplastics,   two,   it's   got forever chemicals in it and really nasty toxins.   So that is on the land   and,   produce is being   grown upon it.   But going back from that,   touching on that it's got forever chemicals and toxins in it, one of those toxins is   hormones.  

So,   you know, women,   biological women   are   in some shape or form taking birth control,   and it gets   excreted   through their waste products.   Obviously, it does the job of controlling,   but it is gonna filter through their system   and come out in their waste products.   So it will go into   the sewage system.   It will be supposedly   treated and, you know, nasties are eliminated,   but you can't eliminate   hormones from the water.   And that's been going on since,   you know, the late sixties whenever they had, you know, bought birth   control   to, you know, the masses.  

So I'm not surprised that we're now living in an environment   that   champions   for the fact of two men can have a baby, then they take it further and go,   well,   you know, there's a man and a woman, but biologically, they're both men, but they don't I one of them doesn't   as being a man. He identifies as being a woman.   And why would that be? Because, you know, he he he in essence has been drinking   unclean water that's been full of hormones.   His mother,   whilst he was in the womb, was drinking   unclean   hormone water.   That's my theory on it, and I think, like I said, coming out of all of those rabbit holes,   you're just left with that logical answer.  

Why now is there this sudden   explosion   of people, of the younger generation,   being blimming confused as to what sex they are?  

[00:21:24] Unknown:

Yeah. I've I've thought that for years regarding the whole birth control pill.   You know? We don't know. I've never really looked into it, actually.   That's that would be a good rabbit hole to go down to what, you know, what you are getting from it and what you're not getting and what it's taken away.   Yeah. Interesting.   Very interesting.   So,   Mila Lucas has said suitably outraged just listening.   That's about the dairy   advert.   And Warren says no one can identify as anything.  

[00:21:58] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:21:59] Unknown:

Well, you would think so, Warren, wouldn't you? But I could say I'm whatever now, can I? I'm a radio.  

[00:22:06] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean and I I think probably about   twelve   twelve months or so ago, certainly within my area, one of the,   senior schools had a pupil   that insisted, and I can't even make this up. I wish that I could. But they insisted on   identifying as a cat.   Yes. And that's at a senior school. So   all teachers   had to treat that individual   as if they were a cat.   Wow. I I  

[00:22:43] Unknown:

I'm lost for words over that. And they do actually provide litter trays, I think, in the toilet. Not that they use them.   Identify as pretending, says Warren.   Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's mental. It's mental because I know Maleficus and I have spoken about this before, actually, of, someone's daughter that he knew that went to a school locally.   And   the I think his one of the friends was told the next day, can you remove your bracelet? Maleficar said she should have said that she identifies as a jewelry box.   You know?   But that's where the world is going.  



[00:23:22] Unknown:

Yeah.   It it it absolutely is. And,   sort of, you know, just going on what Maleficar says about   identify as a jewelry box, It's almost like you've then got carte blanche to get away with anything.   Yes. Yes. You know? If you if you if you identify as a jewelry box, if you identify   as,   you know,   I I don't know I don't know what, but oh, I I'm I'm sorry. I identified today   as a bank robber. Therefore,   I've got, you know, got given right to come in and take your money. But tomorrow, I'm   gonna,   you know, identify as a nun. So I couldn't possibly have done the act that I did the day before.   You know, it just gives people   free free reign. And, yes, to a degree, people should have that, but   not to the detriment   of   destroying   human values and morals   because that's the point that humanity is at now. It has no values, and it has no morals.  

If you're allowing   children to believe that they can identify as cats or   a bottle opener   or   the when they grow up, they're gonna change their sex, and they're   gonna be a man, but they can still have babies, or they're gonna be you know, a girl   is gonna be a man and can go around behaving   as a thug as some men do or   as a lad,   you know,   and being outlandish with their behavior.   It's it's you know? I'm just calling everything into question now because I don't know if you can tell, but I've had enough of it all, Shelley.  

[00:25:16] Unknown:

No you. And as I keep saying to you, you need a couple of nights of crap TV. Stay away from your perk phone. Stay away from politics.   Have a break.  

[00:25:26] Unknown:

Well,   I did take your advice   yesterday,   and I stayed away from my   messaging   service with the farmers.   I woke up to 212   messages  

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today. Oh, is that all? So  

[00:25:43] Unknown:

yeah, so it doesn't pay to stay away from it because then it's just twice the amount of work to try and work through   and figure out what's what.   Hence, why going back to the beginning of our conversation and good old TikTok,   why I ordered some of my new drinks called trip   to keep me calm.  

[00:26:05] Unknown:

Oh, well, they sound nice. You'll have to rate them next week. See, mind you, you reckon that you've got to take things for about three months before you start seeing an improvement, don't you?  

[00:26:15] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, it it's never gonna be a quick fix, is it, with with anything that is,   natural or homeopathic   in nature.   So,   you know, we'll we'll see how we go with these little beauties. We'll just see. They do recommend,   so I'm hoping they will be strong.   They do recommend no more than two a day.  

[00:26:40] Unknown:

No more than two a day what? Supplements.  

[00:26:43] Unknown:

Drinks.  

[00:26:44] Unknown:

Oh, right. Okay. I was gonna say blimey.   Because my cupboard No. No. No. No. I was gonna say because my cupboard is, like, bulging, and already I'm thinking now, oh, I need to get this. I need to get that. And, you know, I could easily spend, what, about a hundred and £50 a month on supplements.   And I do wonder,   even if the food   was pure,   and the skies were clear, well, we probably wouldn't need those, would we?   We'd have all of this naturally to a degree.  

[00:27:14] Unknown:

Yeah. But then it just goes back to what I was just saying about, you know, what's in the   slurry, the sludge that we're now   spreading on our fields for fertilizers.   It's full of, you know, microplastics,   forever chemicals, and toxins.   So   we can't   unfortunately,   we can't live the life that we want to with, you know, good,   healthy, wholesome food and bloody clean air.   So I I I'm, you know, champion  

[00:27:49] Unknown:

taking supplements more than ever, really. Yeah. What's got to be done has got to be done, isn't it? I feel the same. It has. Yeah. A costly little fortune then, but I don't mind it. So it's on my health.   Well, we're coming up to the end end of the first half, Jo. Where's that gone?  

[00:28:07] Unknown:

I don't know. I seem I feel as if I don't want to all keep this evening. That's good to be confusing.   Apologize   to anybody that had to listen to my, you know, sit and listen to my dawgset tones.  

[00:28:20] Unknown:

No. No. It's brilliant because you've always got such good information to give out. I think we've covered a lot in half an hour, actually. So,   go you, just cap captain Jo Wood. Jo Wood who identifies as a captain in her spare time. But  

[00:28:34] Unknown:

Oh gosh. No. Fun. War Warren, don't call me up on that. Don't call me up on that. But, yes. Yes. I do. Well, thank you, my angel.  

[00:28:43] Unknown:

It's, been a pleasure as always, and,   I will speak to you in a week, I'm sure. But if not, I'll look forward to your weekly bleep, bleep, bleep session on Saturday.  

[00:28:56] Unknown:

Alright. I'll take care.  

[00:28:58] Unknown:

See you soon, Jo. Bye. Bye bye. Bye bye. Bye.   Right. We have a lovely guest this evening.   She was on the Shelley Tasker show a couple of weeks ago. We've got the awesome Debbie Hicks.   Debbie is an activist.   She was the lady that was in her dressing gown and, got arrested by the police for filming   the empty hospitals in   Gloucester   during lockdown.   Good evening, Debbie.   Hello. Hi. Can you hear me? Is that okay? That's fine. Let me just add us. I forgot we were gonna do videos because Jo Oh, okay.   I I No. No. Absolutely. I've I've set it up. So let me do it because I've I've got a practice   duo,   studio. Bear with me one second.  

Mhmm. With oh, there's Debbie. Now let's just add me.   It's just enable   my camera. Oop. There we are. Right.   Hello again.  

[00:29:56] Unknown:

I see I feel like I see you a lot lately. I like it. Good. Yeah. I guess that's oh, it's funny because when I was down, in Cornwall on Monday, if you're amazing what you did, you all I I don't know if you talked about it in your show. You're Not yet. No. I was thinking we'll save that for when you're on. Wow. Okay. Anyway, when and all I was gonna say was, when I was in Cornwall on Monday, I I don't know about you. Whenever I visit somewhere, I'm always thinking, oh, I'd like to live here. And I   I was walking around thinking it's so I mean, it is so pretty down there. It really is. And you're you're really lucky. And, but yeah.  

That's what I was thinking. So I Yeah. I've gotta stop myself actually because you can go down that path, but everywhere you visit, you think I'd like to live here.   But, you know, everything living somewhere is quite different, I know, than than this year. So,  

[00:30:42] Unknown:

Yeah. Anyway, sorry. How are you doing? That's fine. No. I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. Yeah. And   amazing speech that you gave  

[00:30:49] Unknown:

on Monday. Oh, I was like, oh, thank you. Yeah. It's,   hard things to talk about. I've never talked about it before in public. I mean, I've I've got no issue with talking about it. If people bring it up, I I say to people, you know, that's what I went through.   But the worst thing   is   yeah. It's I was just gonna say the weirdest thing is until I talk about it with people and start thinking about it, I I think I've forgotten how bad it was.   You know? You that that's the thing when you go through abuse. I think they call it they call it Stockholm Syndrome, don't they? You just, you get used to it. Yeah. And I think if you've been brought back with it, until you think back, you you don't realize that there's anything to measure it against when you're a child.  

[00:31:29] Unknown:

So It was your Yeah. It was when you mentioned in your speech your first ever, like, real form of well,   what speech abuse well, I don't know. Harassment was a lorry got lorry full of guys when you was eight years old, and they asked you to flash you your knickers or something?  

[00:31:47] Unknown:

Yeah. It was real. And it, again, really bizarre because until now, when I'm a much older adult,   I'm much more empowered and aware of all this stuff. I look back. I think my god. But I I remember that. I remember that really vividly as and I was a child. I'm not even, like, a teenager, not that I was successful either.   I was about eight. And we I think, as I said, we used to live on on an airbase where there was a field, an airfield where they used to land with the planes.   And this is what we did. Childhood   was different. And we just used to cross the field to get out of the camp. And I used to sometimes miss the school bus which didn't turn up, and I would walk across the field to go to school. And there was this one day, I think, I was coming back from school. It was in the afternoon.  

I was walking along, and I think a plane had just landed. And there was a truck of whatever they were. It was the RAF,   coming along the track called during during during.   And I can't I can't remember some quite awful expression like get your knickers off, get your kiss off or something. I can't remember the exact words, something like that. And I didn't really know what to make a bit. I thought, you know, you know, what what's that all about kind of thing. And then as I said at the rally,   I relayed it back to a a relative.   I think it was my auntie. I can't remember. I think I'm I don't know. Maybe it was my oldest sister or my auntie. I can't remember. I think it was my auntie. And it was like, oh, that's quite nice, isn't it? You know? Bloke sort of you know? And it's like   so you can you the reason I said that as well is I think sometimes girls and women are brought up to think   that kind of thing is is nice.  

But the shocking thing was is, like, that's nice for an eight year old.   You know? They do say that nice.   Sexualize  

[00:33:24] Unknown:

your sex sexualize your children, and I yeah. It was my first experience of that kind of thing. Yeah. It was. I don't think it's nice full stop. I know back in the day, they would all think, like, builders, oh, it's a compliment if you walk by. But, actually, for a woman, I think it's horrible.   Perhaps it's because we know more today as well. I don't know. But nothing could be more embarrassing.   You know, just the way someone as well people look at you. You feel   what they're looking those eyes, don't you? I've had some you know, when you're younger as well and just slimy people in general, Debbie.  

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Yeah. And it's and I and I know there'll be people listening, and I kind of get that argument as well. So, you know, there's I think Robin maybe a little wolf vessel or woman walks past that looks nice. But I think there's a kind of a blurred area with this. And as much as I kinda get that argument, I think the problem is I think it's just just this whole idea that a woman's an object just to be looked at.   I'm not even necessarily saying sometimes it is a more sexualized thing, but I think it then escalates to that, doesn't it? That, you know, if if boys or men are brought up and that's what you do, there comes a point where that's for them, it's then hard to see them in other ways.   That we're not just something to look at. And that was kind of what I was trying to, put over in my speech was, you know, growing up and having these experiences where, you know, I'm I'm sorry. I'm not stupid. I've got a brain, and and I I'm not scared to use it. And I have used it in my life. And I think, you know,   if there's this culture that it's always a woman just to be looked at or objectified,   then as women, I mean, all of us, we we struggle to get taken seriously,   which I've really struggled with that in my life. I've I've been in really really professional jobs, and I've always had this,   and and I I don't think I'm alone in that. There's there's always this, like, you have to   I feel like sometimes you have to work twice as hard to be taken seriously,   or you have to be twice as good.  

So I I I think that, you know, it opens up a whole all these sorts of issues. That's what I'm talking about. So  

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Yeah. It's well, I mean, all of those speeches that day, I think they all highlighted   something, didn't they? Some stories. There were some awful stories, but lots of facts and   made me think about it in a whole new level.   You know, just one one thing that Lucy said, and I know that pornography is   huge. And not once would I ever stop and even thought that possibly a majority   of those women   that are being made to do these videos have been groomed   from a young age and   to eventually, you know, still be doing what they're doing now. I never thought of it. Well, I mean, there's loads of things I don't think about.   You know?  

There's too many things to think about, really, but that was a real, like, oh gosh. Never thought of that.  

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It's and she says so articulately. It's just a big, big, huge economy,   whether it's all this online stuff that people access now and they're subscribing to and paying for,   whether it's that or whether it's places people go.   And the trafficking, I mean, I mentioned that Lucy mentioned that, you know, how often often lots of young girls and women are trafficked into these   industries. And as she as she said, they don't have a choice.   I think it's sometimes shown as this glamorous thing, like these young, you know, nice looking girls that are doing whatever these these   you know, they try and make out it's a kind of an empowered thing. That's what Lucy was saying, where it actually   the real   is that it's not that. It's this whole horrible kind of   form of slavery, I suppose. Modern slavery. People being forced. Yeah. And,  

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But like I say, it's a massive industry. It is a massive industry.   And, unfortunately, we know all the other things that go alongside with it. And what was really noticeable, I think, was that none of the media wanted to be involved   in this march. And not just the media,   charities.   Why would they No. To speak up? I I approached several and, like, could somebody come and speak and give us but no charities, no social services. People just nerve staying away from that department.  

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Do you think just out of interest, I mean, I I I think it's shocking that not nobody agreed.   Do you feel there was I mean, and that was something, wasn't it? It was a difficult one because I think there was a lot of,   controversy around some of the themes that people were concerned about. And I know that the lady that was organizing it that you're working with, I I sorry. I've forgotten her name. Same.   Yeah. On that. I know that she,   mentioned at the start that there'd been a lot of controversy.   So it seemed to be lots of politics going on around it.   And I'm I I just wondering if that was part of it because I I find it hard to believe that not one person would have, you  

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know, especially sort of domestic violence kind of charities that deal with this stuff. You would think that they could come up and stand up and, like, we do this, and it's like you know? But perhaps, actually, they don't want the,   the recommendations because they're so overrun as it is. They don't want more. I don't know. I don't know. But it is yeah. Yeah. But, you know, it was an interesting one. And like you say, there was lots of politics involved. I know it was a Monday. I think we were all a little bit disappointed for the turnout,   and it was well, I've advertised enough. And you think one is a Monday.  

Two,   was it that some people thought that because the main march in London was canceled, they've all been canceled.   And   three,   should,   excuse me, should the men have been able to come? If the men had been able to come, but then it wasn't aimed at the men. It wasn't my decision anyway. It wasn't my thing. You know? But I know that some of the organizers are saying next time, they want to involve the men. I do think the whole men thing   hasn't helped with attendance.  

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Yeah. Cool. Isn't it? Because also you have, you know, not so many names. I mean, I was you know, like I said, I don't I'm not bothered about speaking out and who's listening, but,   about anything anymore, really. But   we've we've got to sort of respect the fact that there's some women that might feel I don't know. A particular lady that was there felt that way, felt very nervous. She even now, she feels that I'm very nervous, like, if there's men around.  

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So it's a it's a hard one, isn't it? How I think it's really hard. Yes. Because lots of people said at the start, oh, well, I'm not coming then because I can't bring my husband.   But like I said, it wasn't my   it might have given me if I was the main organizer think thinking, well, actually, perhaps we will aim it differently. I don't know. Like I said, but it just makes you think numbers were a little bit disappointing.   But then everybody that was there had an amazing time   and all said how much they enjoyed and what they got out of the speeches and stuff.   And it was a huge huge healing process, I think, for, like, the likes of Lucy   and Amy that got up and told their stories. They wanted to speak about it. Absolutely. It's so good to hear them speak up  

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in that way. I think it's so empowering to to hear women speak up.   Often, I don't know if you feel this way. You know, often, especially it's on social media, women speak up about their experiences. I think men get very defensive,   because they feel instantly they're being attacked   when what I was trying to say so I said, wasn't it, at the end is this isn't about men versus women. This this is about a culture that's developed.   I think it's very much that. I mean, that's how I would describe I mean, this word, which is very controversial, the patriarchy, which we hear a lot, don't we?   When people hear that word, I think, you know, if we could actually use that word in a different way and explain it as it's not that we're saying that it's men biologically   men, but it's this culture that's developed that doesn't help women and actually doesn't help men either. I mean, we can kind of, you know,   what's the word, change the the language around it. I I I yeah. Because that to me is what we were talking about. We were talking about our experiences. We weren't actually saying,   you know, there's a problem biologically with men because I don't think there is actually. I hate that idea that there's this biological difference that makes men different and and abusive.  

I don't agree with that. I don't think it's that. I think there's lots of other as Lucy talked about this, it's economy going on as well.   So,   yeah. We know getting meant to Sorry. Carry on. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I was just gonna say it's getting getting meant to understand that as well. Yeah. That this is, you know, this is an economy. A lot of these women that that, you know, are not   consenting   or not in you know, they they don't have a choice in there. So it's something that they've been forced to do. And even those I think there's levels of consent as well as we know when we we talked about stuff during   lockdown.  

There's levels of consent, isn't there, in the sense of people can consent,   but they can feel coerced, or they can feel   if a woman's in a really bad economic situation,   or she's got no money, where she's struggling to pay the bills, feed her kids. There's so there's all these other factors that come into this as to why women end up doing these things. I agree with Lucy. I'd be very surprised. There might be a minority, I suppose. But, again, as Lucy said, if you look back to that process, they may have been to to get to being like that.   I honestly don't think there's many women that would really   enjoy,   doing doing these things. I find that really hard to believe. I don't what what what do you think? I  

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Yeah. No. I'm just totally with you. Totally with you. Yeah. It's a really complex subject, isn't it?   Yeah. Yeah. Is there is there a right? Is there a wrong even? It's like,   yeah. I don't know. But it's it's interesting because as times go on, like, me myself and Joe were just talking about the whole   the whole two men   thinking they can have a baby and stuff, and it's been in cinema adverts and stuff. And, I mean, they're not it's a subtle promotion. It's just an advert advert for cake. But it's the theory that dads come home and they're both there with their newborn baby and stuff. And, you know, when to a certain degree, it's like, well,   how many children is that lovely to see? How many young children are gonna be confused over that? I'm all each to their own.  

And I do believe that, you know, lots of people say these people that think they're trans transgender, this, that, and the other, that they're mentally ill.   And I do think that to a certain extent, but then there is a small percentage that they are born in the wrong body.   And it's like Yeah.   The problem is You know, like, the plastic like, a biological  

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thing where things have got mixed up, you mean? Yeah. That kind of Yeah. Yeah.   I need someone who I I think it's a very small amount. That's my feeling on it.   And I've I've   I've been a huge controversial subject that we could kick off with this one, but I also think that it's just again, it's quite cultural. I think there's been this huge   focus on   teenagers or even children growing up with this idea of you can choose what you're gonna be.   You can choose to be a male or a female or I've got all these sexualities that I can't even name,   Shelley. I mean, you know, I can't yeah. I keep seeing all these different ones. I think I never heard of this. So it's just this kind of yeah. And it's exactly the same as what we're talking about with the pornography, actually. It's this it's this culture of choice   where young people are brought up to think you can choose whatever you want from whatever area of your life and do what you want. If you wanna pay for it, if you wanna,   choose to do that. And I just think it's kind of cheapened everything in terms of the the meaning,   and the value of what we are as human beings when it's kind of like   what's the word like we used to do in Woolworths years ago?  

Pick and mix.   It feels like in fact, I'm I'm pretty sure there was a book called that, the pick and mix society.   I feel like we're living in a Pick and Mix society in every way. I think that the the whole, gender trans thing is is part of that. I think there's everything, whether it's,   politics or whether it's,  

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It's a good description that is pick and mix. I like that.  

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I mean,   it's just commercialized and commodified everything to the extent that   there's just no   meaning anymore.   Nothing means anything. And   and I think that's why what you're gonna see, and I find it really, really worrying, is that this generation of women that are now protesting   about women's rights. I think the the sad thing is is the danger is is that it's it it   that generation disappears and these new generations come in, there's not gonna be any meaning to them of what it means to be a woman or what it means to be a man.   And when I say that, I mean, in in terms of those experiences   we talked about   and how it affects us and why it's important that we we have particular rights.  

And   so I just think all of it, like, I'm really worrying where we're going with this whole   pick and mix society.  

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Yeah. Well, you had an interesting encounter shopping yesterday, didn't you?  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Tell the listeners. A while.  

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Didn't figure when I read that.  

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Me and my son have been down to, say, down across to,   West Wales for the weekend. Absolutely beautiful part of West Wales. Don't know if you've been there.   Near Newquay. I don't know if you heard of Newquay. Not your Newquay. It's another Newquay.   And,   Cardigan.   Like, Cardigan Bay. So we're starting not from far from there, and the weather was absolutely beautiful yesterday. I don't know what it was like in Cornwall.   And,   we we went out. And then on the way out, I said to I said to my son, I said to get a few things from the shop, and not many shops to choose from in those sort of areas. You just go where you can find it. And I come across an algae. I thought I'll go in algae. Went into algae. It's very busy.   Got up to the tills, and it was all apart from one, self-service. And they were all just queuing up queuing up for the self-service.  

And no there was no tills open. So I went up, and there was a lady stood in front of me waiting for the self-service.   And she looked she looked quite friendly. And I I'm the sort of person I talk to anyone. You know? Someone stood in front of me just to talk to them. And I turned around and I said, what on earth is going on? I said, why aren't the tills open? I said I said, this is this is ridiculous, I said. I I don't I don't want to use a self-service tool. And she looked at me. Ashley said,   you selfish cow, she said. And and I what? And then she just she she and then she flung something over, and she she went back into the shop and carried on shopping like she didn't wanna be anywhere near me. And I I was just, like, slumberghast. Did I look? So I shouted at her. I said, hold on a minute. I said, I'm not selfish. This is about people's jobs, I said.   And and then I I looked around at other people in the queue, and they were agreeing with me. Oh, we we agree with you. You know, we do need the tills open, and then they open the till because I've made such a scene.  



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And, well That's Debbie. I love it.  

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But it's I was just flabbergasted that someone would think I was being   selfish.   You know? It's almost like she looked at me and assumed I just couldn't be bothered to do the self-service till. In some sheepish way in her mind, like, why should you call staff over? Why can't you use the self-service   tool? So there's obviously no   mindset there to see that, actually, what you're doing is a problem. She obviously doesn't see it as a problem.  

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No. No. And I hate those cashless. I will always I'm not to the extreme of you, but I will try and be more like you, Debbie.   I don't think I've ever got there actually when,   they've usually got a couple of tills open at hours. And sometimes when the queues are long, I I do use them, but I'm always I'm always the lady, like, with my hand up   because they stress me out. You know, when I go and do my shopping,   I don't wanna have to worry about   stamps. That's not my job. I come there to buy the goods.  

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Yeah. No. And sometimes you haven't used them before. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I you know? And sometimes it's you can't always get the if it's a piece of fruit or something, you've gotta find the right thing, haven't you? Like, you're like working on that. Literally, like, you're working on the tools. And, I mean, that is the issue I also have is that we do not work for these corporate supermarkets that are on a weekly basis putting the prices up to completely,   you know, take us for every penny.   This this inflation,   which, you know, it's not an accident. It's a choice to try and make food so expensive. And we're gonna stand there politely and say, okay. I'm gonna use the cell service tool.  

Do your jobs and take your jobs away. I just   no. I just I it really it really winds me up. So when I, I'm I'm so I I apologize for people   who might sort of see me get like that in the shops, but but I it's coming from a good place. It's not I mean, actually, I'm I mean, it really is. I I don't I don't want a a world where it sells so   Good on you. Good on you. I mean, we Anyway. Yeah. So that's my that was my that was my day before walking in, in my house yesterday. Yeah.  

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Oh, I love it. I love it. But this is what we gotta do. We have got to talk to people. We've gotta get their minds going, haven't they? And I mean, maybe she went home. She probably didn't and think, like, oh,   something's the penny's just dropped. Probably not because, unfortunately, lots of people, they don't, do they? But like you said, the other people that were there, they agreed with you. Lots of people can say it, but they won't say it, will they? As with many things.  

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No. And I think sometimes   people are in such a sort of day to day   cycle of their lives, whether it's going to the shops, going to work, coming home, that they don't stop to think about things. You know? They just massically do it.   They're not they're just in a kind of a hamster wheel of life, this awful   complicit hamster wheel everyone's in, and they're not thinking about what's what's really happening. Even though to you and I, and maybe people listening, it's really logical   that we're moving to we're we're helping by doing that and moving this system along. But she just   immediately thought I was being selfish. I didn't wanna use the machines.  

So I can I can kinda see if you're that condition that you would think that way? I I I can see that.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully.   Hopefully,   hopefully, she will have thought she will think about it. Yeah. I hope so. And those other people, they'll probably go home and say, oh, we've just seen this in Aldi.   And they were talking about it as well. So, it's all good good stuff to be talked about. And, like, moving on about data and stuff, you did you did a post as well, Debbie, a while ago about credit base on Facebook   and would be you know, how we   Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've been saying for a while when I because I I'm massively shadow banned on Facebook. Sometimes I think I don't even why know why I post it on there. But you're right. You need to put photos of what you've had for dinner   and photos of your furry friends on there.  

And then,   Yeah. I I just found it interesting because,   there's there's a supplement   team that I buy supplements for, and he's actually sent out an email. He's at he's got a massive problem   with Google   not liking all of the natural things that he's selling, and they keep taking it off the list, then it'll be added on. Somebody else is disguising to be that company on several several different names.   But it just struck me as interesting what   Google and things are doing   to try and stop us   getting better, even buying the alternatives,   you know, the lengths they're gonna go to for these businesses.  



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Yeah.   No. Absolutely. It's,   rating. Yeah. I I think there's there's already some products they're selling   with with these,   carbon   carbon ratings on it.   So they're getting all the packaging and the production ready, aren't they? Ready for a system where   we're only gonna be allowed to I read something the other day. I don't know where people had got got the information from. I didn't look into it where, you know, with these new carbon allowances that are coming in, it works out something like you'd only be able to have half a packet of cheese a week or something like that. You know, like an average packet of cheese.   So,   you know, it's you know, and I think that's probably the allowance for your dairy as well. I'm not sure you know, it's butter. I don't have butter and milk and all of that fits in. So   and I think on a bigger   scale, we're not we're not always putting all the pieces together. I think a lot of the stuff that's been going on about the milk   with the Arla   actually is about trying to get people used to not being able to buy milk. I don't think it was you know, I'm not saying there's not an issue with that. I I try and avoid it with the,   both ears. The high profile stuff that they're,   which they're trialing. I know it's not in orbit, but they're trialing it on some of it, aren't they? But I think that issue to me was more about just normalizing the idea that, you know, okay. Don't buy that. You're gonna end up what else are you gonna buy? You're gonna look around most of most of it. I mean, which it has. Most of it's got that.  

Most of the milk in the shops, and as you go to a a farm shop, has got   the stuff in it. So you're kind of going through this minefield of trying to dodge it. And what are people gonna do? Oh, I'll pick up the alternative milk.   So I I think it's part of this kind of style  

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of the be right, actually.   Why not? Because there's a plan underneath everything, isn't there, what they want you to think and what they want you to believe.   And I've seen a few adverts, news articles, actually, saying how all of a sudden,   real butter, real milk is in high demand.   People are beginning to see scents there. You know?  

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Yeah. Because I think they're starting to see,   you know, a lot of people the research coming out that shows the seed oils are actually really bad for you. And,   you know, it's you know, all this so called technology, they've got medical technology in advances, and, you know, heart disease has been going up again.   I know we we link that to other things as well that you probably we've probably talked about, but,   answers and all these things. And it's like, but you're supposed to be people are supposed to be eating all this healthy stuff now, so called healthy stuff. So, I think people are logically, again, putting things together and realizing that some maybe the old ways of eating  

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are not as bad. I mean, you go into shops and the amount of different alternative milks, though,   I mean, I've recently found out that I'm dairy intolerant. And I had great pleasure telling my GP on Tuesday, I think it was. He he came. I didn't go about my eating or anything. But,   he said, oh, do you still require these, you know, medications? And I said, well, no. I said, I've been on them for six years. I said I was just about to embark on seeing a surgeon   all for all of these problems.   And I said a simple food intolerance test   discloses that I'm dairy free.  

I'm not dairy intolerant   and problem solved. And he looked at me and he went, what sort of test did you have done? I said it was a bio resonance test, and I just talked to him about it. But he was genuinely interested,   and I just said, how much would this save the NHS? I mean, everybody that comes in is, like, IBS, tummy problems, and stuff. I think one of the first one of the first routes should be, let's do a food intolerance test. You know? And I said to him then about people I know with eczema and things,   and they've gone and they've stopped eating this or that. And but interestingly,   back in the day, there there was not many people that were dairy intolerant, was there? But as years have gone on,   it just gets to show, I think, what they're putting  

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in the food. Exact Exactly. It wasn't really heard of, was it, when we were younger? I don't remember hearing of it. But I have to say, I mean, I I've been on my own journey with stomach issues over the years.   And I've been to, as we all have, tried going to GPs and never got anywhere with them. The things they write you off as is, you know, oh, it's just a bit of,   you know, what's the word, irritable bowel or whatever. And, you know, when you get an ongoing problems over the years, I really have had problems. And,   you do end up having to do your own detective work   and working out for yourself what you you can and can't eat.  

And also with menopause, and we we we touched on that at your rally. We were talking about that as well. I think you start finding there are other things that you can't eat or drink   that sort of trigger off all sorts of issues. So I and again, it's a waste of time, and and I wouldn't recommend it to anybody unless you really are desperate. And I understand that, but not to go to GPs about that either because   I think we've kind of,   trying different things,   and experiment. And I think you can find a way  

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of managing these things. I I really do, actually. I do as well. I do. Like I say, six years on all these medications and,   yeah, crazy.  

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Anyway And the problem with the problem with medication,   as we've said to my my husband lately, he's he's got really bad arthritis, really bad,   oh, my my vocabulary is going, Rheumatoid. Rheumatoid. Yeah. Rheumatoid. Not not the other one. Rheumatoid is a really bad one with your immune system. It's that it affects your immune system.   Is that once you start taking medication, the problem is is you're always gonna get side effects  

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and that with anything, I think. And then you probably, at some point, have to increase the dose and stuff like that.   I don't know. It gets really difficult. And but, you know, it serves certain purposes, doesn't it? You know, last night, I used ibuprofen for a frozen shoulder, which I probably should have taken for the last two weeks. I've been in agony. But I'm like, oh, I don't want to take medication.   And,   yeah, it is what it is sometimes. It gets that bad, doesn't it? But like you say, you gotta look at the alternatives.  

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Anyway, we have to finish up there, Deb Debbie. Sorry. It's flown by again. That's okay. Really nice to see you again. Thank you too. Thank you for your No. Your amazing efforts with what you do down there in Cornwall. Keep it up. No. Thank you. Crazy world. It is. Crazy world we're living on, and we we need everybody to keep doing what they can do. So We do. And you can find Debbie Guy. She's gonna be on Facebook in a minute on Resurgence  

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News.  

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Yeah. I've gotta go on Resurgence news now with with Marsh and Costello. Yeah. And that's good to watch as well. Yeah. So, thank you, Debbie. We'll do it again in a few weeks. That's nice. Yeah. But, anyway, thank you so much. I'll let you go, and I will I'm sure speak to you again. See you see you soon. You take care. Thank you, my lovely. Bye bye.  

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Bye. Bye.   Right. So with that, that's another week done and dusted. I will be back on Wednesday with the Shelley Tasker   show. I hope you have an awesome week.   Let's find the outro music. You think I'd be better prepared, wouldn't you?