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Women's Hour broadcasts live every Sunday at 7:00p.m. uk time. 

Join us every Sunday at 7pm uk time for Women’s Hour, the show that celebrates and amplifies the voices of women from all walks of life. Each week, we dive into a rich blend of topics, from personal stories and current affairs to health, culture, and the challenges women face in today's world. With expert guests, thought-provoking discussions, and inspiring interviews, Women’s Hour offers a platform for empowerment, education, and connection. Whether you're tuning in for insightful advice, a dose of inspiration, or just a moment to feel heard, Women’s Hour is here to celebrate you.


Welcome to another engaging episode of Women's Hour, hosted by Shelley Tasker. This week, we dive into heartfelt conversations with two remarkable women, Jo Wood and Madaleine Trewhella. The episode kicks off with Jo Wood, who shares her recent health scare and the emotional journey that followed. Jo opens up about the challenges of living alone and the stark reality of needing support during illness. The conversation takes a turn as Jo discusses her views on COVID-19 vaccinations and the societal pressures surrounding health choices.

In the second half, Shelley is joined by her daughter, Madaleine Trewhella. They explore Maddie's journey from being a young mother to becoming a successful mortgage adviser. Maddie shares her struggles with self-doubt and the determination that propelled her career forward. The discussion touches on the impact of social media, the pressure to conform to beauty standards, and the importance of mental health awareness. Maddie also opens up about her experience with postnatal anxiety and the therapeutic journey that helped her overcome it.

The episode is filled with candid reflections on personal growth, societal expectations, and the importance of self-acceptance. Shelley and her guests provide a refreshing perspective on navigating life's challenges with resilience and authenticity.

[00:01:10] Unknown:

Good evening to all of you beautiful listeners out there. This show is for the women of our world, the women of our nation,   all women. Although I do understand that the old gentleman listens in, which is fine, which is brilliant.   It's great that everybody can get a little bit of the   feminine   viewpoint across, a little bit of understanding.   Anyway,   welcome to Women's Hour. I am also streaming on Rumble. Just look at my name, Shelley Tasker. If you would like to join in with any live chat, leave any comments.   Give me a like.  

Subscribe.   I've nearly got a whole 100 followers.   Exciting stuff.   Anyway, today's date is Sunday, 19th January 2025.   And, right, where are we heading? So we've got the young Jo Wood for the first half,   and then we've got the young Maddie Truella for part 2.   So I'm looking forward to good old chat with both of them, really. So let's get young Jo Wood on the line.   She might have to disappear quickly tonight because she is expecting   a very important call. More important than women's hour. Good evening to the young miss Jo Wood.   Can you hear me?  

Oh, she's on mute.   She's answered.   Jo, you're on mute, my lovely, if you can hear me, or perhaps you've muted me for a reason because you're at work. No. I it's a I'm sorry.   Now come on. Where is your preparation for this show?  

[00:02:47] Unknown:

My preparation?   Don't even   yeah. Alright. I admit I have been a little bit slack, but Very.   But, you know, just   give me give me a little bit of leeway.  

[00:03:00] Unknown:

Yeah. You've been you've been a poorly girl and you've been very busy, and I was just explaining to the listeners that you're expecting   a very important phone call and you might have to dash off. And if that's the case, so be it. So So I, yeah, I was just in the middle of sending  

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a,   a text to that said person,   because we're   running short on   time.   So   that has just been sent. I'm all yours. Woo hoo.  

[00:03:34] Unknown:

So how are you? You how are you? We both said it at the same time. Jinx. That's what we used to say when we were kids, wasn't it?   How are you? Because   you have been a poorly girl, and you are sounding   so much better.  

[00:03:49] Unknown:

Yeah. I I don't wanna over egg it for the listeners. Don't wanna frighten anybody,   but I thought I was dying.   I was really, really very ill.   Very odd. Very odd. Lots of people have said to me, oh, did you have the flu? And I'm like,   I don't know because none of the symptoms that I had were particularly flu like.   All I know is it totally flawed me. Could not get out of bed for 4 days.   But,   yeah, I I seem to have   come out of it and touch wood, and I I grab in anything that resembles words that I am okay.  

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Good. Good. You  

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laugh, though. Did you tell the listeners   your your sort of thought of finding me?  

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Oh, yeah. Covered in flies and dead.   Yeah.   Well, it's worrying because I know that you live by yourself,   and, like, Jo usually responds quite quickly to messages.   And I was checking up with her every morning, and I did say, you know, on the Sunday, do you want me to get an Uber to go and get something for you and stuff? And she was like, no. No. I'm fine. But we had quite a little conversation, and you were quite emotional, weren't you, because you were so poorly.   Oh, yeah. And then the guilt totally came up, and I should have just   turned up on your doorstep. Like you said, you'd literally   wanted someone to feed you because you couldn't even feed yourself.  



[00:05:22] Unknown:

Yeah. And that's crazy. You know? I mean, that's just an indication of how ill I was. I knew I needed   substance,   which I did end up   somehow navigating myself an Uber to bring me some Weetabix.   Why I had that, I don't know because I really don't like this stuff, but I thought it would be something   nutritionist.  

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Better than crisps. Yes.  

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Instead of my usual packet of industrial sized crisps. Yeah.  

[00:05:50] Unknown:

So, yeah, that that was fine. That was fine. But I wouldn't have let you in because I would have done done, Jo, because I would have kicked your door in, and you would have been to on your deathbed.   You know, it was. I was thinking, oh my god. I could actually turn up in a day, and she's, like, dead, covered in flies. And like I said, you we had quite a little bit of a an emotional chat, didn't we? You were really there's nothing worse when you're feeling so poorly,   and it just brought a bit of light to your life about getting older and being by yourself and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean and and that and I am still  

[00:06:25] Unknown:

I mean, I am over that emotional   bit,   but that was a real   wake   up call. Like you said, you know, I just I said I just needed somebody to feed me. I needed sustenance, which is why I ended up getting the Uber. But,   it was even an effort,   1, to get myself to the kitchen, and 2, to actually   lift   a   spoon and put food in my mouth. And that sounds so pathetic,   but that's how ill I was.   And it really just highlighted   the the fact of the matter is that I will probably   be that statistic.   I will be that statistic of the old people not being able to put their heating on because they've got to choose between   food and heating   and, you know, maybe getting ill through it and not having anybody there to feed me.  

That is still quite prevalent in my mind because that was a very, very rude awakening for me.  

[00:07:31] Unknown:

Well, you're mixing with lots of farmers at the moment. And, I mean, there's gotta be some rich single farmers out there, Jo.  

[00:07:39] Unknown:

Well,   I I'm sure there is, but we had that brief conversation a while ago that, unfortunately,   quite a few of,  

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You can say it.  

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Put leave at their senses 4 years ago and took a vaccination   that I disagree with. So  

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that won't And I find that fascinating because you're the you know, you've been like that from word go. Anybody that we've met, and it's like, oh, oh, and you're like, well, he's had that jab. I couldn't have a intimate relationship with somebody because   if they've got that those ingredients into you, that they could pass them over to you.  

[00:08:17] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, it's just not even   you know you know me when I'm, like, really,   really forthright   or I've decided   no is the answer. I'm just like, nope. Just no. No. No.   That doesn't even come into play because I'm so   you know, it it's not even debatable. It's not even something   that,   I feel I have to stress because I know that I never will. It's just never going to be.  

[00:08:50] Unknown:

No. No. And I understand that. I've been lost listening to,   quite a few, like, radio shows where they go into deep about the whole COVID   vaccine and   the repercussions, so to speak, and how your cells change and they're permanently changed.   And, you know, if you can pass that on to somebody else   Yeah. You know, even by the vaccine shedding and stuff, like, lots of people suffered when everybody around them was having the jab, wasn't they? Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:09:18] Unknown:

And interestingly enough, without giving too much away,   the call that I may   receive   is from some people that are in America at   Trump's   inauguration.   Mhmm.   And one of Trump's team   I mean, if I showed you his picture, you would recognize him straight away. 1 of his team on the health team, not Bobby Kennedy,   he's called   Shuba Baranti or something like that. He's an Asian,   sort of Indonesian   looking guy,   like, top top professor   of,   you know,   biometrics   and biology and all the rest of it.   They were having a meeting with him.   He's   he's English, I think.  

Doesn't live in England, but he's English.   And I'm just like, wow. Look at how the universe   aligns   that, you know,   I'm not one to go,   oh, you know, you're in the right place at the right time, or you were sent here for a reason. I just really struggle with that.   But there seems to be quite a few little things that   are in my pathway that I'm just like,   well, that that really is   aligned with   what   I'm fighting for   and and what's going on in the world, you know, sort of having this guy that knows all about the vaccines, what damage they do,   maybe how you can mitigate some of it. I don't know if you can,   but he's the guy that's got the answers.  

So I'm like, wow. There's my bread bridging   with this call   that I'm waiting on.  

[00:11:14] Unknown:

Are you able to elaborate at all?  

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No. Because  

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No. It's fair enough. We'll know at some point. A little bit of a sideline  

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and   the purpose of call is   one of legal   entities.  

[00:11:32] Unknown:

Right. That's what you're involved with, those farmers. They'll get you into trouble, Jo.  

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One way or another.  

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One way or another. Definitely. Yeah.  

[00:11:42] Unknown:

Yeah. What have you been up to?  

[00:11:45] Unknown:

Well,   do you know it's been a month since I did my paid job, and, obviously, I'm self employed now.   So apart from walking the dog on the beach and pottering around, the days are just going like that. It's crazy. It's just   crazy.   So I'm I'm working lots. Brain isn't, like, going, well, just mental.   And I've had a bit of a couple of bad days, actually.   I think I am so   perimenopausal. When things wind me up, they wind me up, and I've been   getting really wound up. I know we've had this conversation so many times,   about Botox. That's my number one   problem. Not me personally.  

And number 2 is screen time.   Right. Just the way that the world is. And on Friday night, we went to watch a pantomime, local pantomime.   And I saw a woman   who I probably see once or twice a year. And she's older than me, and she looks amazing. Credit to her,   but I know that she's had Botox.   Okay? And, again, it's it's her choice, isn't   it? But because of my values of putting anything a little bit not right in my skin and stuff, and I'm part of me would like to think, oh, I've got a couple of lines on my head. I want them gone. I want to feel youthful and look youthful.   The temptation is there, but I think I'm too stuck in my ways. I mean, you never know. I might get a bit of Botox one day. Never say never,   but it rides with me deeply that when I see people out and about my age,   I always study   the lines on their faces, and I know   who's had Botox. I know. And I'm seeing it more and more,   and it's just generally upset me that this is the way the world is. Some people would say it's progress.  

You know? But for me,   it just makes me sad   that people feel they have to go that way and that I would like to do it, but I don't wanna get caught in that trap.   But when I'm 70,   lots of my friends that have this done, and I'm out with them, they're gonna look like they're 40, and I'm gonna look like I'm a 100.   So that's really   that upset me. I was a bit wound up. And then when I went to, somewhere to eat with Piran and Darren on the way to the theater,   there was this as soon as we got in there, Piran didn't want to eat because he wanted to sit at the table that had screens. Okay?   And I will say it's McDonald's. And I hate admitting to that because it's very rarely we eat that.  

But we went there, and, of course, all we wanted to do was sit on the table that had the screens on it. It's like, no. We've come out for dinner before we go out for the evening, and we do have a ongoing battle in this house with screens. And then there's this guy sat opposite us with 2 sons that are about 7 years old,   and they've both got their own mobile phones. And they're all sat there   on their phones. Oh gosh. I know. It's just taken over   everywhere,   and I got myself into a bit of a state. I was, like, building up all night, and,   I don't know why. I think it was all this menopausal stuff going on. There was a part of the pantomime when I was thinking about it, and I started crying. Thank God I've always got a scarf on because I can just wipe my nose and my tears. Yeah.  

And,   I came   home and Darren got into bed, and he said, are you gonna put the TV on? And I was really rude to him, and I'm not rude to Darren. And I basically told him to go away and let me have a good cry because I really wanted to cry and sob.   I felt so sad with the world.   And it's not your people get angry about stuff, and I think I don't really get angry.   But that this whole screens thing in the Botox is the way the world is about you know, you see every shop in Cambourne full of nail bars and stuff and hairdressers.  

[00:15:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I was about to say, you know,   when you were talking about the Botox and the screen time, it is the way of the world. That is such an indication,   isn't it? It is such a well, this is   this is   prime example   of   the path that   I don't wanna say society has led us down because I think we've been led down it   by higher   powers, not good higher powers,   by   by   probably the propaganda   of   the television,   the radio,   seeing   what's perceived as idols.   And then those idols, like you said, you didn't wanna get caught in the trap, but those idols, they get caught in the trap so then they have to keep up this   youthful   appearance   you know because they've got   sponsorship   from other sort of brands and businesses   And then the younger generation, they look to those, and they go, oh, okay. Well, that's what you're meant to be like. And then they get caught in that trap. And Yeah. Yeah. And because it's ongoing.  



[00:17:07] Unknown:

But the thing is I'm probably a bit old fashioned   that I like things how they used to be, and I can see the damage,   not just from, like, the Botox. You could have a bad reaction or what have you. It's it's put in,   unnatural things in your body and but each to their own.   But the whole screen time thing, I have it's been the bane of my life for a very long time, and I really regret bringing screens into the home.   But, again, didn't know any different. Nobody's given us lessons of how to moderate this.   And I saw a post of what a lady did, and I loved her suggestion, and we've now bought it in. And I do feel that we're gonna have some changes. It's like Piran loves his gaming,   and we've been trying to get the balance right. But apart from the gaming, he loves YouTube.  

Now I wouldn't mind if he was watching   informative stuff, but it's all these reels, and it's like idiots just acting like idiots.   They're stupid.   Yeah. And I just think how much of his brain is he mashing up? Mashing up?   So we've decided now that he'll have 2 and a half hours a day on the Xbox   and then half an hour on an old iPad that will only work for half an hour for YouTube.   And then the YouTube app will be taken off his TV and off the downstairs TV.   And any other screen time, it'll just be you watch Netflix, you watch a movie or a program, but not bloody YouTube. You know?   So we've got this idea now, and I know weekends are gonna be hard because,   that's what they do. And you we all wanna do things we want to do. But because we're older, we've got self discipline.  

You know? I can keep explaining to him that it's gonna fry his brain and the whole blue light thing, and they have learned about that at school.   But it's just ways of bringing him because his attitude towards me because he watches these people   talking to people like Derne stuff. That's just so impressive, aren't they?   Yeah. They don't realize that they're speaking to you like that and such. So I said, like, on a weekend I mean, I'm we'll still we'll play it by ear and see if it needs to be brought down more, but, like,   6 hours on a Saturday and 6 hours on a Sunday.  

And people say, oh, that's still a lot. But if you think they're up at half past 6 and they're 2, 3 hours, I mean, what he'll do is he'll burn 6 hours in one go, and that's fine because then it's done for the day. And if you're bored, go and do a bloody jigsaw or something. Be bored. You know, if you don't wanna save your bit of time   and work it properly,   I wouldn't be a good parent if I sat there and let him game all day, but that is actually   all he wants to do. He didn't wanna go to the pantomime on Friday night because he would prefer to stay at home and play on his Xbox.   And  

[00:19:45] Unknown:

So how does that that moderation work? Is there, like, a timer   on the,  

[00:19:51] Unknown:

Wi Fi or something? Yeah. We've got timers. Thank god for Darren because he organises all of that.   And you see, he was a bit naughty last week because Darren had an account so we could, like, game together.   And then you think,   Piran's still gaming, and his time ran out. But then, of course, he'd gone on to Darren's account.   They they find a way everywhere. Yeah. And then you think you've got rid of YouTube and it appears somewhere else, but I'm literally gonna dig out my old iPad and, you know, it'll just switch off after half an hour.   So I feel a bit more positive about all of that. And the Botox stuff, I mean, again, it just is what it is. I still I mean, Maddie always says to me, you know, well, if you,   if it's gonna make you feel better, why not? And I've just had a long chat to the lady down at the local shop about an hour ago. I went to get some crackers, and,   I was gone for half an hour because we were engrossed in conversation.  

And I was looking at her face, and I was like, you've got lovely skin. You haven't had any Botox or anything, have you? So the conversation just started, but I'm just like,   you know, without being rude, people, if you've had Botox, I will know, and I can't help it. It's just in my brain at the moment,   and I don't know why it should be. It's probably because I would really want to look like that. So But we've had this conversation  

[00:21:07] Unknown:

previously, haven't we, Sarah? Several times. Several times. There are other things   you can   do to your face   that   is a natural product.   You know, you may not like the fact that it comes from a fish, but   there are there are loads   of things.  

[00:21:29] Unknown:

Loads and loads of things. The damage has been done,   it's too late. I've never had a good skincare routine because No. I can't be bothered.  

[00:21:38] Unknown:

And I I would be prime example of that. No.   No.   Your body, your your your collagen,   the the fibers,   everything calcium,   it needs   a   molecule   called   polynucleotide,   and that's where   the fish comes in.   And   it stimulates   your own collagen   growth   at an alarming   rate   that that's where you get the rejuvenation   from. You know, if you if you left that to its own devices.   I think by the time you are in your mid twenties, maybe 30,   your collagen reduction   is is   huge. It's alarming.   I was quite shocked at how much it fell off.  

[00:22:31] Unknown:

So you're saying that if I was to take this,   thing, that it could make a big difference?  

[00:22:38] Unknown:

Yes.   Wholeheartedly.   I would be your proof for that.  

[00:22:44] Unknown:

I would be your proof for that. Mhmm. I I tell you what I did buy off Amazon. These, they're called frownies,   and they're like a silicone shape to the to the shape of your forehead and the top of your nose.   And you just   peel them off the paper that they're on   and sleep with it   on your forehead for the night.   What? I did it one night, and I couldn't be bothered to do it again.   I need to cough. I'm sorry.   Oh, gosh. Sorry, everybody.   But,   yeah, I've obviously got a bit too much time on my hands thinking about these things. But,   yeah, I do think you know, I know some people, they've looked after their skin from day 1. They've always done all of it, and it just goes to show,   really. But I'm I'm just a tad lazy. I want it, but I don't wanna do the work. But I'm sure I can pop a pill every day.  



[00:23:35] Unknown:

Well, yeah, you can do that as well. You know? I mean and you can take powdered collagen.   And you the one that I take is tasteless. And, you know, I'll I'll have it in my shake in the morning. Or if I forget that, then I'll have it in my tea. You can even put it in water, and you just don't taste it.  

[00:23:55] Unknown:

You know, I love all that stuff. I know you do, and at least you're going like that route. But I just think if you was to go back 50 years ago now, people didn't have the sort of problems that we encounter now about growing old gracefully.   I mean, yes, we dye our hair and things like that, but not   to the point of now. It's just, well, anything you want is simple to get a fix.   And I said to Maddie as well about   quite a few people that have lost a lot of weight.   And I'm like, how have they done it? And she said, it's the injections.  

[00:24:30] Unknown:

Oh, that's them. I know.  

[00:24:32] Unknown:

I went online last night. I thought, I'm gonna have a look into these.   So I filled in all the form, my weight and everything, and then it said because of my weight, I couldn't order any. So I added an extra 2 stone on, and then it said I could. It's as simple as that.   And then it was like buy now.   So I just wanted to see how simple it was. And then I looked into the whole   pharmaceutical side of it, and, actually, it is, a diabetic   drug or Yep. Diabetic.   Yeah. But it still has   problems for some people. It's been known one woman was taking it. She dropped dead. I would be that unlucky person   who fought the easy way of having a tiny little injection because it's like a monthly injection.  



[00:25:17] Unknown:

Yeah. I think it's like, I mean, don't get you certainly don't need it, and I don't. And I don't know anybody that does, but   it's relatively   cheap if you've got that mindset that you want to lose a whole it's like  

[00:25:33] Unknown:

£100. Yeah. £100.   £25   a week. Yeah. Yeah. And to get that and the problem is in this day and age, everybody wants a quick fix, don't they? Yeah.  

[00:25:43] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:25:44] Unknown:

I'm such a go. Yeah. It's just the way of the world.   Progression, but maybe not. Be interesting to see what it's like,   you know, in 20 years from now. I don't think people think anything of it. Oh, yeah. I'm just gonna go. I'm 16. I'm gonna go and have a bit of my baby Botox a minute, and, just gonna go have my lips filled a minute. And it's just   become the norm,   and I suppose I'm just a bit old school, and   I just wish people could love themselves.   But   like I said, never say never. You might see me in a few weeks or a few months and then be like, look at me. No wrinkles.   And I'll be lying. I'll be saying it's the collagen.  

But it'd be like, Shelly, you're not frowning. Your forehead's not moving.  

[00:26:30] Unknown:

Goodness. I'm I'm not joking. That is a realistic   possibility. It will soften them   that they won't in your eyes, they won't be so   obvious to anybody else. They will soften them. And I doubt if they are obvious to anybody else like that anyway. It's me. Remember when you would have a spot on your face as a teenager, and you're like, oh my god. It's, like, so huge, and everybody's going, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:26:59] Unknown:

Yeah. It's just, changing times, isn't it? And they're just two aspects. I find it hard to get my head round, and   I think for some people that haven't got an ounce of   brains, this whole screen time thing so, you know, we've all done it. Yeah. Go on the phone. That will keep you quiet for 10 minutes, and we don't realize the implications of what we're doing to them and stuff. Yeah. And I've got to stop this now. He's 11. This is his last year of primary school. I've got to get this balance right because it's been taking a toll on my life because it makes me feel sick and the fact that he doesn't wanna have a conversation because all he wants to do is game. You know? Anyway  

[00:27:36] Unknown:

You know, they can become quite   unsociable and grumpy.  

[00:27:39] Unknown:

Very. And I say to him when he starts banging the table because something he's not you know, he's died in the game or something, I said, this is when you know it's time period to take a break. It's a game. It's not real.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. Frightening   that it gets that   sort of grip on them.   But  

[00:28:01] Unknown:

I you know? It is. It is, Jo. Unfortunately  

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answers   because,  

[00:28:06] Unknown:

you know It's been going on for so long. I remember when mine were teens, my older ones would go out for dinner, and they'd all be there with their phones under the table   pretending not to text, but I knew they were texting.   You know?   But we've had no preparation   for that. It's just like you go with it, and some children can take it or leave it. But if they've got a bit more of   a, what's the word, addictive personality   yeah.   They're strong willed. Strong willed as well. Yeah.   Anyway,   apart from that, that's been my, you know, my week, really, Jo. Your week? Wow.  

[00:28:42] Unknown:

Well, I've had my 1st week back at work.  

[00:28:45] Unknown:

Was it your last day today?  

[00:28:47] Unknown:

It is. Yeah. That's what I thought. That's why you sound happy as well.  

[00:28:51] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yes. Yes. Happy days.   I made it through. I thought it would have been   a real shock to the system, but, fortunately, it wasn't. There's quite a lot of hills that I have to walk up at work,   and I was dreading that. But I was quite impressed with myself. I did not get out of breath, you know, because I've not really sort of been up them about 50 times in the last month.   And   I was like, oh, gosh.   That's gonna be awful, isn't it, that I'm gonna have to walk up and down those flipping hills? And I'm not exaggerating.   At least 50 times a day out and about.  

And it's gonna kill me, ain't it?   But I was alright. I didn't huff and puff and  

[00:29:36] Unknown:

You did. And you've got half an hour left, and you can relax.  

[00:29:40] Unknown:

No. I finish at half past 7 now. Alright. Okay. Well Yeah. During during the summer, I finish at 8. In the winter, I finish at half past 7. Lovely.  

[00:29:50] Unknown:

Wow. I'll let you get on with your,   important call that you're expecting.   I am. I am. Better get the next guest on. Yeah. I've just had a message that they'd be calling in the next 15 minutes. Wonderful. Alright, my lovely.   Interesting. Well, have a good evening. You too, my lovely, and I know we'll catch up during the week. So We will. We will. You rest up. Yeah. We'll have a proper chat about things that can be talked about soon.   Take care, my lovely. Bye. Take care. Bye. Bye bye.   Right.   And that's part one done with the awesome young Jo Wood.   Right. And I've got another guest next, miss Madeleine Trewella.  

I've known this young woman for her whole life, actually.   So let's get her on the line.   It is gonna work. We've test called. Good evening, miss Madeleine Trewella.  

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Hello. Hello.  

[00:30:49] Unknown:

How are you doing? Hello, Smelly.  

[00:30:52] Unknown:

I'm good. How are you?  

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I'm fine. Thank you. I suppose I ought to say to these listeners because I have just said I have known you my whole life.   27 years. It is 27 years, isn't it? It is 27 years. It's 27 years. This is my daughter, everybody, because you might think, gosh, don't you both sound alike?   So it's been a while. Well, Maddie's never joined me on a call, and we're all for a bit of, like, promoting confidence building and stuff like that. And she agreed to be a guest, But there's certain things I've been told I'm not allowed to talk about, and I do accept that.  

[00:31:30] Unknown:

It's alright. Knowing us, we'll move on to them anyway, won't we? It'll start off vanilla, and it'll get more spicy as time goes on. Well, you see, I don't know how yeah. Because I was thinking,  

[00:31:41] Unknown:

I know you're trying to build a business and stuff and,   you kind of come across   you always said to me, is your activism mum killing your work? You've got to be careful what you say. There's always someone listening.  

[00:31:54] Unknown:

Oh, don't make me feel bad. No. I'm not.  

[00:31:57] Unknown:

But you have got to be yourself and you can't be scared of what you say all the time just in case of, oh, somebody   might pick that up or take it the wrong way.  

[00:32:06] Unknown:

And No. I tell you what. I read a really good book, which I recommend. It's called the confidence to be disliked.   Right. Love it already. Is amazing, and it's a different,   like, psychological   take   on living your life.   And it's basic basically about having the confidence to be disliked as a person.   Mhmm. Because when you're such a people pleaser and you try and make everyone like you, actually, you probably turn more people off than what you do want in to be your friend because no one likes a good doer, do they?  

[00:32:38] Unknown:

Well, I don't know. But I know where you're coming with that. It's like I find sometime, like, with my last job, it's like you want to be everybody's friends, and it's like, do you know what? They're work friends. They're not all gonna like you.   But I'm like, oh, I don't wanna upset them. I don't wanna upset them. And some people were so opinionated.   You have got to be like, bleep it. I'm gonna be me. If they don't like it, they can lump it.  

[00:33:00] Unknown:

Yeah. It's nowhere to draw the line though, isn't it? Yes. Knowing where to think, actually, I'm not gonna retaliate back because I'll just be wasting my breath. Yep. Yep.  

[00:33:09] Unknown:

With you there.   So tell our listeners   about your life, Maddie. You're just not all of it.   You know, a build up to your job and how you got to what you're doing now, basically, because   I've always been incredibly proud of all of my children.   And from since you were young, I mean, watching you take your first steps and keep falling over but keep getting up and going again and trying to ride a bike, you kept going. You just keep going, and you never cease to amaze me when you say, I'm gonna do this, and you do it.   And I'm like, freaking it, girl.  



[00:33:46] Unknown:

I hate my own determination.   It's probably rule on the spectrum a little bit, aren't we? It's probably   that.   But,   no. Obviously, I have Theo at a young age. And I think when you have kids younger, you feel like you have to prove yourself a little bit more. Mhmm.   And I didn't just wanna be   a number,   you know, someone who had a child young and and didn't   I don't know. I was gonna say didn't give life their full potential, but I think that's unfair because, actually, I have a lot of friends   who had children young. And you know what? They're they're brilliant parents. They're absolutely rocking it at life.   But I think, financially,   I just wanted to be comfortable.  

So having Theo definitely   definitely was the motivation behind that.   And,   obviously, not that you remember, but I did go to college when I was pregnant.  

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I do remember,  

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Maddie. You do not. I do. So so to the listeners,   I I said,   mom turned around to me one time and she said, well, you've done well for yourself, and you never went to college.  

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All I could remember is paying for the hairdressing course for all that stuff, and you went for about 3 weeks, and then you said you're not doing it anymore.  

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They all didn't like it.   Well, I've not suited you down to the ground. Out fast. You have, but I just had a lovely little hairdressing kit after that.  

[00:35:13] Unknown:

Yeah. But so you did go to college. Yeah. Or did you go to college again? College, but I had no idea what I wanted to do. I wanted to do. I don't want to do that. Agency Yeah. For ages.  

[00:35:23] Unknown:

And no joke. I think I handed my CV in   to about 20 different estate agents over the course of a couple of years   countrywide, who I got my first job with. I was,   rejected   8 times before an application was accepted. Wow. I think in the end, they must've thought, oh my god. Just just give her a go because she's driving us nuts with all of our applications.   But I quickly realized that going from care work into,   into a different sector was quite difficult.   So I went and I've done a bit of, health care recruitment   because it has that sales element.  

And then I went into a state agency where I was for 6 years, and I absolutely loved it. It was such a brilliant job to have.   But truthfully,   it didn't it didn't pay enough for the amount of hours and time and work that you put in.   People hate estate agents.   And, you know, I've done that job because I genuinely   wanted to help people.   I liked property. I liked people,   but people weren't very nice to you. And you dealt with a lot of   rubbish.   So I thought, well, what can I do while I'm still you know, I'm genuinely helping people?   I still want to, you know, work within the property sector, so I thought I'll give mortgage advice in a crack. And to be fair, there was probably a better time where I could've been doing it than with Phoebe, who I know when I started studying,   she just turned 1. And I gave myself basically 3 months to get CMAP qualified and try and learn a job that I   thought I had some knowledge about before. But as you start doing it, you think, oh my gosh. I'm not as knowledgeable as what I thought.  

And, I'm always someone who says, you know, fake it until you make it. Gotta tell yourself that you can do it. But I think for the first time in my life, I've had a couple of moments where I thought, oh my gosh. I don't know if if I'm clever enough for this role. I don't know if I'm articulate enough to do this.   But  

[00:37:25] Unknown:

I am. Yeah. I am. And all your hard work paid off. And, I mean, you did that course in, like, record speed when most people would do it over a year, wouldn't you?  

[00:37:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm I'm really chuffed because when, you know, when I do want to get something done, you just you gotta do it. And I very much I'd rather get it done quickly   than drag it along and try and cram it in here and there because I just wouldn't be able to focus. No. I know. That's that determination.  

[00:37:53] Unknown:

But as a parent, that's hard to watch because I could see how much you're burning yourself out.   You were poorly a lot, wouldn't you? And it's like, oh, but I've gotta do this. I've booked the next   exam. And Oh my gosh. If I fail this time, it's it's gonna it's gonna cost me another £150   to repeat the exam, but   you went out and you smashed it.   And now you're working  

[00:38:17] Unknown:

I can't remember the name of your place where you're working. Harris Begley and Tru. And they're a great bunch of people as well, and I'm really thankful.   It's not until recently where you look around how I've realized how lucky I am to be in,   employed   mortgage adviser role. Mhmm. Because a lot of them are self employed,   which   right now, I think the thought would terrify me being so new to the job. It's nice to have other people to lean on and to learn from.   So that's much appreciated. But, of course, you have to find your own clients.   And it's slightly terrifying because, you know, when you have 10% of not having as much self confidence as you would like,   it fills you with some self doubt, but you just have to march on past that and think, no. I can do it. And and don't let the,   don't let the self doubt creep in.  



[00:39:04] Unknown:

No. No. Wise words. Wise words.   But   I would like to say to you, like, what do you do to relax? But I know you don't relax, do you?  

[00:39:15] Unknown:

My relaxing for me   wouldn't be relaxation to you. You know what? I love I love a good clean off the house. I find that so therapeutic around. Dirty?   I'll get rid of that shaggy rug in your front room, collecting all the dog   air. Oh. Giving my son allergies   from young cleanliness.   No. I   you know what? I love getting out the carpet cleaner. What a sadder.   But, no, to relax, I I've I've just got to be doing stuff all the time. I get so bored if I don't.   Yeah. I know what you're saying. I mean, you've had a couple of days off this week, wouldn't you? I'm so bored in your painting cupboards and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. The the gym is is amazing as well. The gym for your, like, mental health and to have something to focus on. The going there has changed my life. And that sounds so cringe, but it's having a routine   and having something that gets you up early in the morning, because I love it. Get there for half 5,   and then you're done by half 6. And, you know, sit. I'd do a little bit of meditation,   get ready, have a chat to the girls in the changing rooms, made loads of friends.  

I feel like I'm winning at life at the minute. You are winning.  

[00:40:26] Unknown:

You are winning. Too smug.   No. But isn't it good when you feel like that? I was just saying to Jo, like, I've you know, this last month for me, obviously, I've not been employed. I'm self employed now. And   I don't know where the days go because   when I get to the beach, by the time I get back and I've done a bit of shopping, it's, like, half 11, and, you know, I've gotta get my nap in every day as well that I am working.   But you need to be   motivated. And, I mean, I did come to the gym a couple of times with you,   but it's obviously not for me.  



[00:40:59] Unknown:

No. I I could've told you it weren't for you, mom, within the first 10 minutes.   Are you just you're saying this isn't nice? It's not meant to be nice.   Well, it is,   but but no. No. We've But we've got to do what's right for us, don't we? Absolutely.  

[00:41:18] Unknown:

Absolutely. I don't like getting out of breath and   just aching or anything like that, but I have got that kettlebell. I did move out the porch into the dining room. I'm gonna move it back into the lounge and just, like, try and do 10 minutes each day.  

[00:41:32] Unknown:

Oh, I don't know, though. Kettlebell workout is hard.   Wow. I would rather go to the gym and do some weights than 10 minutes of a kettlebell.  

[00:41:40] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, you've done well. I mean workout. You know your stuff as well. I mean, you were like my mentor for 2 mornings, and, it's like, god, you know so much stuff.  

[00:41:48] Unknown:

It was enough, though, to make me realize that, my god, I couldn't be a personal trainer.   Don't have the patience   teaching. I thought I'd love it. I've just sat down with Theo.   Oh, we're on to tell him the time. Oh, great.   And I'm probably the worst person, anyway, to teach him how to tell the time. As Ollie said as he walks past, do you think it's best that you teach him that you only learnt to tell the time like 8 years ago?  

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And this is it as well because I always put it down to you because you've always struggled with maths, and we have a joke about it because, you know, you're now a mortgage   adviser   and that's what you're dealing with numbers and percentages and everything. But at that time   when you would have been probably about 6,   when you learn those basics   at school,   I had broken my leg   and I think that impact selfish, I know, but I think that obviously had a big impact   because   I couldn't see it at the time, but that's that's just my excuse for you not being able to understand, like, the basis of numbers and stuff.  

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No. I think as well, it's funny, isn't it? Because me and Ollie,   we would get to an answer 2 different ways. And we'd still get to the right answer at the end of it,   but your mind works differently, doesn't it? I think it's been learning the technique of actually how I how I can get to the answer, doing it my way.   So Ollie can't teach me anything.   But I think that's the same with Theo. It's just I think as kids, you're rushed so quickly, aren't you, to move on to the next step. You can tell, you know, like, 3 o'clock,   but now you have to do 20, 2, 3. And I was I was doing his homework with him. And as soon as he got the hang of it, it was like a next step harder.  

Yeah.   And I thought, oh my gosh. Get him to understand the simple   basics   before you push him into,   you know, next level   stuff. And that's where you can see his confidence knocking as well. Oh, that's him. Yeah. I know. But we sat there for a good hour.  

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Oh, see, I don't I mean, he'll get to the stage in a year or 2   where he'll get a Chromebook at school probably like Piran has,   and they do it all on these apps,   you know, learning to do spellings and mathletics   and stuff like that. And I'm kinda glad we're over that point because in COVID times, like the home learning, I mean, we stopped after a month or so.   But,   you know, I'd I'd never looked at ways of learning to add up the way that they were doing, and it's like, how am I supposed to teach him this? This isn't how we learn.   No. It's changing constantly.  



[00:44:27] Unknown:

Wow. Does does Perrin do coding?  

[00:44:31] Unknown:

I don't think he does, actually.   He he does it in his in his own way because they set up servers and things like that. He knows more about it than me. But,   yeah, they've they've just got the knowledge with the computers, haven't they?  

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Oh, me and Ollie were laughing. We were like, imagine being that old that they now teach a subject at school that didn't even exist when we were at school.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   So are you finding with the whole mortgage adviser thing that you're using algebra?  

[00:45:01] Unknown:

No. Not at all, actually. A lot of percentages.   A lot of percentages.  

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Yeah. That's something I still struggle with now. I'm alright with, like, the 10% and stuff like that, but   I think sometimes it's just rejigging your brain, isn't it, if you haven't done something for me? Calculator for everything anyway.   I   know. I know. There's a way   for everything now, isn't there? You don't have to do it. Why would you do it? But then   it's a bit like everything's easier, isn't it?   I I use chat GBT, and I said to Darren earlier,   I feel like a bit of a cheat, but what a time saver. Just type a question in, and,  

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there you are. There's your answer. Got me a bit nervous because I think how many jobs   are there not gonna be because of   all this artificial intelligence now? I think is my job even safe?  

[00:45:53] Unknown:

I don't think any of them are safe.   It was only last week, wasn't it, that Keir Starmer bought in the they're gonna be changing bringing in more AI and stuff like that, but they reckon that it will increase jobs.   Really. What a load of rubbish.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Gets rid of all that personalization, doesn't it? And actually, did you hear that TikTok   has been banned in America? America. Yeah.  

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Yeah.   But they reckon that as soon as Donald Trump's finished his thing today, that it'll all be up back and running. But people said, interestingly,   isn't it amazing how they can remove something like that, but they can carry on with, like, the child pornography and stuff. They can't shut these websites down. As well. Although  

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one pornography site,   I was also looking, has been banned in America as well Oh, I see. Think is a bad thing. No. I don't either.  

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When Hitler was in rain,   that's one thing that he did. He stopped. He banned all pornography. I think there's nothing wrong with that at all.  

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No. And especially social media   like TikTok,   anything with filters,   is messing up kids.   It messes up me.   And I'm an adult, let alone someone who's trying to find themselves and trying to, you know, find out who they are in society.   Being that young,   most of the stuff you see online are you know, it's fake anyway, ain't it? Yeah. It is. You grew up in that era.  

[00:47:17] Unknown:

I can remember you like, oh, I'm just gonna do an, a YouTube video. It was pretty harmless then.   You know, you and   your brother and your cousins were, like, singing happy birth day to granddad, and we sent it to him. It's still on there now, actually. About that.   It's still there, but, you know, you were like 11 years old and you knew what to do.   But then I do remember, like, you being on social media   and some of the arguments that you and your friends used to have.   And, I mean, if you couldn't private message or do anything like that, like, back in the old days, you wouldn't have any of that.  

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I think social media so true. Is That's so true. Yeah.  

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Social media was  

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keyboard warriors on social media as well, don't you? A lot of people are happy to say stuff online but wouldn't say it to anyone's face. Oh, no. Easy to say, like you say, when you're stuck behind a keyboard.  

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But you've grown up with that, and I wonder if that affected your mental health   growing up.  

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I think it made you see the worst in a lot of people actually than the best.   I think go being on social media, it makes you realize how   horrible some people are.   Actually, probably quite a lot of people, not everyone.   But,   I I often see someone's, you know, statuses or or   news articles, call more lives, stuff like that. And you look at some of the, like, really unnecessary   unnecessary comments on there, and I think, what is wrong with people? Yeah. Why can't you just scroll on by?  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. That young lady, Abby Matthews, that does the run-in, she was on the show a few weeks ago,   she put up in one of the local groups. She said, I'm not gonna post here anymore because of the negative feedback, and I think she should have carried on, but it's the few people, unfortunately,   that get in their head.   Why is it that, like, all she could think about was the 3%.   She couldn't think about the 97%   of people that loved her energy   and her posts.   And when she put that status up saying she wasn't gonna post on that page, a few   people, they butted in and said, oh, great. There can be too much things and a toxic positivity.  

And I just put, really, why? And they didn't reply, but it's like, how can just if that person bothers you, just scroll on by.  

[00:49:37] Unknown:

Yeah. It's sad that she felt that she couldn't post those videos anymore.   No. But that's where that book I said about, you know, the courage to be disliked, such strong words. Mhmm. It's being able to think. So I used to say   I used to tell myself, well, you don't care what people think. But, of course, you do. You can you can tell yourself one thing, but you can't help how you feel deep inside, can you? No. No. And I've just finished counseling, actually.   And I was doing CBT. I've had 19 sessions   with talking therapies, which are the NHS one. Right. Because I had awful postnatal anxiety.   And I would probably say I'm mentally, I'm at the best stage I've ever been at.  

And there is a part of me where I genuinely   don't really care what someone thinks anymore.   Good. And it's a really nice place to be in.   Yeah. Because living your life, trying to make others happy, what a waste of a life.  

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Oh, it is. It is.   And like you said earlier about being that yes person,   I've quite often been like that. And now I don't feel like if somebody messages me about something, just no. I can't do it. What have you?   I haven't got time. Whatever. You don't have to be rude, do you? You just,   just say it as it is.  

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No. I think when you're so used to people pleasing, though, just by saying no, you feel like   you're   offending someone   or coming across as as mean. Well, for for the confrontational.  

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Yeah. Yeah. And then I bet you get the intrusive thoughts, don't you?   Oh, we do get intrusive thoughts, don't we, mother? We do, and we can't go into too much of them because some of them are absolutely   awful.   Explain to the audience what intrusive thoughts are.  

[00:51:18] Unknown:

Wow.   I only know this from my counselor.   So it tends to be when you when you're experiencing, like, bouts of anxiety,   and you'll just be doing something really random. Like, sometimes I'll be driving my car, and I'll just get an image of what if he just ran it off the road right now? We've just ran over that pedestrian.  

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Yeah. I get those ones.  

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Weird, ain't it? What a horrible thought to have. Yeah.   But the my counselor, she she had such a good analogy, and she said these intrusive thoughts are like a beach ball that you're trying to hold under the water.   And the more you ignore them, the bigger   they will become   and the more,   common   they'll occur.   So she said, actually, the thing that you've got to do when you have these intrusive thoughts, especially any ones which possibly are a little bit disturbing, you think, oh, no.   Actually, you just you'd have to acknowledge it and you have to laugh about it because the more you try and push them aside, the the more they're gonna come up into your mind. And it was really nice and reassuring to know that it's completely normal to have because   mental health, I think people are now only really beginning to open up and talk about it. Yes.  

And you don't really hear about people having intrusive thoughts.  

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And some of them are so twisted,   though. They are, and they're disgusting. And I've opened up to you. I'm sorry, listeners. I'm not opening up to you. I just was trying to get that.   Yes. Tell me your intrusive thoughts, Maddie. Tell me the one about   No. But it was funny because I didn't know there was a name for them, and then we had a huge conversation about all these thoughts that we've had over the years, and, we did have a good laugh about them, actually.  

[00:52:56] Unknown:

Yeah. And sometimes it can quite scare you.   I always have one with my daughter. It's not so bad anymore when I was really anxious. I used to get really scared about holding her near the stair banister in case I chucked her over. Mhmm. But I would never go to chuck her over, but your your brain is saying, oh, well, you know, what if you did? What if you just popped her over the edge?  

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Well, I do remember when you was a baby, a newborn baby. I think I've told you this before, and you wouldn't stop crying. And I just had a vision of flushing you down the toilet.  

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It's funny, isn't it? But the good thing about these intrusive thoughts is   if it disgusts you, if it fills you with fear, it means you don't really feel them. Yeah. Yeah. But they just come from somewhere.  

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Yeah.  

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It's funny. And she was saying that we have so many intrusive thoughts a day. Everyone does. You might be someone who says, I don't have intrusive thoughts, but you do. Everyone does. Yeah. Oh, that's good to know. But they they pass so quickly that our brain doesn't pick it out of, like, a file. Mhmm. But, obviously, the ones which we really find horrific   are the ones that, you know, your brain's flicking through all these intrusive thoughts. Then it'll go, oh, what's this? And then it'll bring it to the surface.   So we all have intrusive thoughts.  

It's just sometimes   we'll have  

[00:54:09] Unknown:

more horrific ones than others, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Well, I'm glad I know there's a name for it now, but, I don't feel that Have you Googled it yet? No. I haven't had a chance. You You should you should have a Google. But your definition is good enough. I don't feel that I need to. It's, I just find it interesting. Yeah. It's interesting. Find works weird, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.   So I'm I'm gonna ask you a question,   Maddie.   What's one of your favourite childhood memories that still makes you laugh?  

[00:54:41] Unknown:

Oh, I do.   Oh, it's so horrible. Oh, go on.  

[00:54:45] Unknown:

No. Be honest.  

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Oh my god.  

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So so one of them   is me and Wesley used used to climb out of his bedroom window   Yeah. Onto the roof.   But I don't know. One that always makes me chuckle, but I don't know if it's from, like, a place of anxiety because it's not funny.   But it's when Wesley just comes around the road on his little trike. Do you remember that? Been up the field looking for us. Like, if he loses that 3 year old. Oh, for crying out loud. Didn't even know he was gone.  

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Oh, come on. You're a parent now. You know what it's like. It makes me laugh every time.   We we have had some. I do like our family. We like a bit of banter. I love my family, and I love the way that we all like taking the Mickey  

[00:55:38] Unknown:

out of each other and things. None of us take ourselves seriously, do we? I love that. I had so many good childhood memories. It's it's really hard to, you know, pick out pick out what's significant. I'm 1. I'm glad that you've got lots of good childhood memories,  

[00:55:54] Unknown:

and more will carry on throughout your life, my lovely, even though you're not a child, but you'll always be my baby.   Of course. But one of the things that I often think about is the time that I went to pick Theo up from nursery, and I was at the wrong nursery.  

[00:56:10] Unknown:

I was in absolute panic.   I'm here to collect my grandson. We haven't got a Theodore here. And they're all looking as well, checking the register and,  

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yeah. Anyway, I was in the wrong place,  

[00:56:23] Unknown:

but lots of things like that. At what stage did you realize you were at the wrong nursery?  

[00:56:27] Unknown:

Did you call me? I think I called you, didn't I? But I was there, and they were all looking and fluffing around.   But it's because I knew you went to look at that nursery,   and then I just assumed   you know? You've gotta remember, Maddy. I was sleep deprived as well because   Piran would have probably only been about 3, and he never used to sleep very well.  

[00:56:48] Unknown:

And I just remembered that one thing, so I thought it must be at that nursery. You know what's so funny? We are so similar, but also so different. And some of your ways, which   I really envy that I can't be like that Mhmm. Has shaped   the way that I live my life. So I always say to Ollie,   you you just you just float about.   You you don't. I I'm someone that double and triple checks everything because there have been so many times when we were kids. We would go to do something, and it'd be the wrong day, the wrong place, the wrong time, and you would just shrug it off. Oh, you know, it's what it is. And I wish I could live life like that. Just not a carer in the world.   But your blazaness   has shaped me into this, like, kind of control freak. I'm like, oh, no. I've got to triple check the times. And I just think it's hilarious because I know if you said to me now,   can you pick Kieran up from school? I would be like, okay. Is he definitely at the same school? And does he definitely finish at this time? And which gate is it? Whereas, if you pick Kieran, you'd be like, yeah.  



[00:57:52] Unknown:

I am quite it's nice. I am quite relaxed. I mean, like, this evening, I've gone to the corner shop, and I only went to get some crackers, and I was gone for half an hour. And I walked in, and Darren's, like, chatting, and I'm like, yeah?   Just,  

[00:58:05] Unknown:

yeah. Way to be, though.   I I envy  

[00:58:08] Unknown:

you for that. I struggle being on time. I struggle, and I do get cross with myself.   They call it a tepiologist more time than you do. That's and that's it because they call it a tepiologist,   somebody who thinks they've got more time than they've actually got.  

[00:58:24] Unknown:

Yeah. And it all They've got jobs to do, ain't it? I'll be saying to everyone, right, we're late. We've got to get on. We've got to get on whilst I'm hanging out the washing. Yeah. Yeah. And when we where were we going? We were going on holiday. I think it was when we went to France, and we were running behind. And this was very unlike me anyway. And Ollie says, Maddie, what are you doing? The kids are in the car, and I'm there just loading up the dishwasher. Yeah. Why not? I know. I know. But let's just put the dishwasher on. And he was so annoyed. I would be like that. The day that me and Darren moved house, he got to the house, and I was  

[00:58:56] Unknown:

putting washing in the washing machine.   And he's like, we're gonna be that's it. They couldn't move the washing machine because it was doing a cycle.   But I was like, it's all ready to dry when we move.   Anyway,   we have come to the end, Maddie, and I hope you've enjoyed it. By quick. It did. You need to come on again.  

[00:59:15] Unknown:

Yeah. We have way more topics that we haven't spoken about. Come on again. And we did butt heads once.  

[00:59:21] Unknown:

No. Why would we?   Right, my lovely. Well,   I'm going to play the outro music.   I don't know how to mute you, Maddie, so you just need to stay quiet for, like, 30 seconds. Alright?   Right. Lovely listeners, that was Maddie, Trueweller,   and Joe Wood. So have an awesome week, and I will be back the same time next week. Thanks, Maddie.