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Women's Hour broadcasts live every Sunday at 7:00p.m. uk time. 

Good evening everyone, and welcome to another episode of Women's Hour on Radio Soapbox. This week, I decided to switch things up a bit. I had a delightful chat with my friend Jo, who works in the education department. We discussed everything from her secret hairdressing skills to the sentimental value of dressing gowns and the challenges of selling items on Vinted. Jo shared some anecdotes about her experiences with DIY hairdressing and her attachment to various household items.

Later in the episode, I was joined by Tracy Barnes for part two of our discussion about working in care homes during the COVID-19 pandemic. Tracy shared her harrowing experiences of dealing with mandatory vaccinations, the emotional toll on both staff and residents, and the lasting impact of the pandemic on mental health. We delved into the complexities of making personal choices about the vaccine while facing job security threats and the broader implications for the care industry.

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Good evening, ladies,   women, and for some of the few men out out there listening. Welcome to women's hour   coming out of radio soapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   Today's date is Sunday, 11th August, 2024.   I'm also streaming live on Rumble under Shelley Tasker.   So if you'd like to leave any comments or add to the chat, please feel free to do so.   I'm checking things around a bit this week because potentially it's quite difficult.   It seems to be getting 2 guests every week.   So I was kind of thinking I could chat a little bit. I could do this. I could do that. I come up with loads of crazy random ideas.   And originally   myself with a friend, we were going to do a podcast   and, we've never got around to it because of time. She's always working. Bless her heart. She works hell of a lot.  

Anyway,   we decided that we could do a snippet, a segment each week, and we're gonna call it snatching sneaky.   Oh my god. I can't even read my own writing. I'm so   so last minute.   Snatching sneaky workers.   Workers.   Women at work. So   Joe is at work. She works in the education department.   She doesn't finish for another hour. But with her permission, I've been granted access to give her a secret call, and I have a little chat. Joe has been a friend of mine, like I say, for a few years.   Well, about 4 years now, actually.   And, anyway, let's get Joe on the line. But I have got a guest coming up at half past 7.  

I've got Tracy Barnes coming on. Tracy was on a few weeks ago talking about what it was like in the care home when COVID was around, and tonight we're doing part 2 about when they tried to enforce the   mandatory   vaccinations.   So we'll speak to Tracy in a little bit.   Right. Let's get miss Jo on the phone.   Good evening, Jo.   Hello?   Hello?   Hello, miss Jo. How are you?   I'm very well. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm glad we finally caught up to, like, chat, but doing it under this new   regime, you're sneakily at work.  

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Regime. Now there's a word. That sounds   very 1939.  

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Regime. Wow. It's it's hard to pin you down, isn't it, to make anything regular?  

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Yeah. Yeah. I guess it is. But mind you, you're a busy person as well. So here we are. I am. Here we are. Anyway, I've managed to get you. And for those listening,  

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I've decided to let Jo   do my hair this week.   Don't say it like that.   Because   a friend of mine years ago,   she's still a friend, but she said she could do my hair, and she did it. And my hair was falling out, and she was crying, and I couldn't cry because I didn't wanna upset her or make her feel any worse. And when she left, I just broke my heart.   And,   the cost of hairdressers,   you do your own, don't you, Jo? And you always do an amazing job.  

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I do. I've been doing it for   probably about   30 years.  

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Really? So you have saved an absolute fortune.  

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Yeah. I mean, I I do it to the point where I'm doing it sort of back to front in the mirror. So I will   have a mirror in front of me and then in one hand I will hold a small mirror whilst I've got effectively the paintbrush in the other and I'm working bits   at the back of my head. So and I'm doing foils, which isn't an easy task. Trust me. But I'll be all good with you. Are you quite excited   nervous.   Oh.  

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Well, worst case scenario, I can shake my head, wear a hat.   The funny thing was when I saw a friend and I said, we were talking about her hair, and I said, Joe's gonna do my hair for me this week, and she went, oh, I never knew Joe did hair. Does she do hair, does she? And I went, no. And we both just cracked up laughing.   Oh, my little face. Yeah. I know. But but it's gonna save me £80.  

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So so the pressure's on because now we've spoken about it on the airways. People are gonna be staring at you, like, staring at my work. Your work? Okay.  

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Crikey. No pressure then. But it could be a new sideline for you.  

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I've got many sidelines. I I've got no time to do anything else.  

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No. Well, it will be fun no matter what, and, we will let everyone know how we get on next week. Oh.   It will be fine. It will be fine. The last time I did my own hair was in, like, lockdown, and oh my I've had some major hair tragedies over the years. Did you do yours in lockdown? What did you do? I didn't do. Oh, I just tried to dye it, but I ended up I must have had, like, 6 different shades in it. Oh, no. It was just hideous. Hideous. Oh, nice. But we all looked a bit frantic. It was quite interesting, actually. When I used to go to work, you see people with their hair done, and it's like, you've had your hair done. Who's your hairdresser?   A sneaky you know, you caught out, aren't you, really? Not supposed to be doing it. Well, you know, that that may have applied to the ones that complied.  



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But, yeah.   But not to us. Yeah. Not to be normal folk as I like to call ourselves.  

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Yes. We are the normals. We are the normies. Perhaps we're getting more and more on board.   I haven't mentioned that yet. That is we won't go into too much politics because I tried to keep this show a bit, fresh, a bit relaxing.  

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But Yeah. And I I I'll be honest. I am just sick and tired of all the politics, so that that suits me fine. What should we talk about? Well, I thought that we should talk about dressing gowns.   That's my favorite subject.  

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Now there is a reason for this, listeners, because   I had 3 dressing gowns. Well, I still have 3, actually. I think I have 4 now, but long story short, I was having a good clear out and decided to   throw my dressing gown in the bin.   It was covered in bleach stains, you name it.   And then I was thinking, have I done the right thing? And I seeked counselling Joe.   And then it ended up like a counselling session, didn't it?  

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It it did,   And I was mortified at your behavior.   I could just be so   reckless   and flippant in   disregarding something that's lived with you for a very long time. And I'll be honest, I think I did message you, didn't I, and gave you a warning, like, about half past   10, 11 o'clock at night. If you don't go out to that bin, I am gonna get in the car and go and get it myself.  

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It did, and it sparked quite a few comments on Facebook, the conversations, the things that people get up in arms about, and it was like, yeah. How many emotions   have I had with this dressing gown? Not just bad ones, but   sentimental.   I mean, everything says that every live well, people say that every living thing has an energy,   so all of my emotions are still contained   in that dressing gown.   So where have you now put it? Well, if I'm, like, gonna do a bit of painting, I might still wear it. Occasionally,   it's already covered, isn't   it?  

But occasionally, I might wear it. Yeah. I've I've inherited the one that I'm wearing for the advert for this show was my Nan's vintage dressing gown.  

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Has perfect.  

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I know. I know. But I, like, don't like to wear it. I don't know why. Haven't perhaps it's just too soon after the grief. Too soon. Yeah. Well, I'm like that with my eldest dressing gown. I talk like they're children, my eldest.  

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And,   I have 5,   and I've got   3 fleece ones.   2 are like knee length.   The other one is floor length, and I feel very much like Cruella De Vil when I walk because it kind of all drapes behind me. It's wonderful.   And then and then I have my eldest, which is   a cotton one   that has, if I'm honest, seen better days like your one.   I can't say I've got paint on it. It's got bleach, but the ladies out there will know this that, you know, if we've been in a hurry and we're walking through a doorway,   you know, it's typical that an item of clothing will get caught on the handle. And that's what has happened to my beloved eldest dressing gown. So there's, like, loads of holes in it. So you wouldn't think about repairing it?   Well, I did. I did. I repaired it loads of times, but it went past that repairable stage. So now   now it lives in one of my,   dressing table drawers with,   all your sort of keepsakes.  

So   it lives in my dressing room drawer with   Ted and Barbara   and Blankey.   Yeah.  

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That's not your Blankey, is it?  

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No.   Blankie would be my daughters,   and Ted and Barbara, well, they belong to me.   Right.   I am a child of the seventies. So Barbara   is one of those   original beanie dolls, had a body of beans,   sort of hard plastic hands and a hard plastic face   with a pink bonnet, but out a bit much like you and Fancy dressed yesterday,   but,   has, like, a tuft of blonde hair sticking out at the front.   So over time,   I cut very short, so she looks a bit punk rocker ish. And Ted   Ted is   62 years old. He was my brother's teddy,   and he now only has one ear because   I used to suck the other ear.  

So yeah.  

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Nice.  

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There you go. A little bit of a confession.   Wasn't really anticipating that, but there you go. That's where my eldest   dressing gown lives.  

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Right. All of mine are hanging up on, like, a dodgy   hook.   Next, actually, I want to hold the blinds on the window, and we've got them going across, like, 3 windows in the  

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bedroom. But, yeah, it's just rah, rah, rah. Anyway See that word dodgy has now made me very nervous for your dressing gowns.  

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You're worried about them. I am. But they do take up a lot of space, though, don't they? And the thing is we save all of this stuff. I've I've got a loft   full of sentimental   stuff,   and, like, Purring came home with those school books. Yep. They've got to go in the loft. Oh.   And I even saved, like, when my other children when one of them broke his arm, I saved his cast.  

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Oh my god. I know. I know. I save stupid   things. Yeah. Well, I do. I do too. So   like you, I've saved all of my daughter's school   memorabilia,   but from sort of day dot.   But I would put it in   apple boxes and banana boxes, 8,   or   to 8, or whatever it would be. So it's all in chronological   order.   And then the other one that I can't remember what I was gonna say. Oh, the other one that I've got a really unhealthy obsession with well, you will know this, because when you come to my house, you always tell me I have too much stuff. And again  

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You do. You do. For this I helped this woman move house.   Okay. I helped her.  

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Yeah. There was loads.   But just for the listeners,   a disclaimer, I am not a hoarder.   I just have   a weird   attachment, a sentimental   attachment,   to   innate objects, really,   like, you know, because we had this conversation. I treated myself to a new hoover, didn't I?   And you know what the other hoover was like. You said, oh, it's a bit of a beast, isn't it? Yeah. It's very old school.   Making such a racket. But I can't get rid of it now. Now. Even though I've got a new hoover, I have to keep that one. You know, I'm attached to it much like the dressing gown. It's seen me through some times. So But you could have a spare for everything, couldn't you? Too many things.   I I I could, and I probably have.  



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You could have somebody out who's just starting over. Yeah. And I mean, for your information, listeners, you know, when Jo moved   house, she did get rid of, well, at least a carload, didn't you? And she was too, like, like, emotional, so I was the one that took it to the charity shops.   So I left a house with my car full, and then I bought it all in and looked through it to see if there's anything I wanted.   And it's nice, though, because some of your daughter's clothes, I passed them on to my granddaughter.   So,  

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yeah. I know. And I I keep seeing those quite often, and I'm just like,   oh, that's so nice. It and it's real happy, you know, sometimes being sentimental can be not true.   Granddaughters   wearing my daughter's   sort of toddler clothes,   I'm really happy. You know, it's like a sentimental   happy. I love it. Absolutely love it.  

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Aw. And they they don't make quality clothing like they did back then, though. Did they? The old ladybird stuff from Woolworths.  

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Woolworths. They were the best. They really, really don't make it like they used to. And Woolworths, I mean, there's another one that kind of went to the wall, unfortunately,   But they had everything in there, didn't they? It was like a one stop shop.  

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It was. It was. Yeah. Yeah.   No. So, yeah, dressing gowns, clothes, sentimental   stuff.  

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Yeah. I'm sure we're not alone in that. I'm sure we're not alone.  

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No. And and then the next subject, me and Darren had to laugh about this the other night because   he's called the garage the,   the final destination,   you know, when you just don't know where to put stuff in the garage.   Yeah. Because, apparently,   I just move things around the house,   because I don't know what to do with them. And I've got piles, I think, oh, I could make a bit of money from that. I'll sell them on Vinted. Do you ever sell anything on Vinted?  

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My short answer to that is no. I have a pile   that I think, oh, I'll put that on depop.   Oh, that's old school Depop though, isn't it? Is is it? Is it? Oh, I thought I was down with the kids being No. No. Disposed. No. It's all about prevented. Prevented. I'll have to have a look at that. But, yeah, I mean, it's such   a pain, is it? Well, just I can't get over the thought, and that's the painful thing.   The thought of having to photograph everything.  

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You should do it with your face. I know what you mean. I've, like, dragged everything into a room, taken photos of it, put it all back, and then not not go around to, like, selling them. But I'm quite pleased because I've got, like, over a £100   in my Vinted account that's built up over about 6 months,   and it's just by selling   tap.   You know? Well, it's not all tap, but things that even, like, if you say well, sell anything for a couple of quid, it all adds up, doesn't it? But then sometimes, it's the whole kerfuffle.   I have the settings all wrong, so it kept asking me to print a label, and it's like, I've got a printer.  

So I'd be sending them to Darren to print out, but I use those in store lockers. And just the thought actually of going and using one of those stressed me right out, but I've got it now. So much to the point last time I actually gave someone a demonstration down there because they couldn't work it out. I was like, I'm a pro now.  

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Well, I'm glad that you've said that because I'm going to have to face that hurdle   middle of the week and go to one of those lockers, because I'm oh my yeah. I think I'm gonna start having sleepless nights about it.  

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Well, as long as you've got your phone,   then you're fine.  

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What hang on. Why do I need my phone? I'm going to a locker.  

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Because they'll give you a code, a digital code.   And when you go to the locker, you press the button that says star, and it says show us your digital label.   So then you   When you say digital, they send it to you. QR code. Yeah. Like a QR code. So then it scans it in from your phone,   and then you wait and a door magically opens.   And then you just put your parcel inside, close the door, then it comes up with a code, and you take a screenshot of it, and then you get a receipt saying your parcel is ready to be posted.  

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You see, that's just all crazy stuff, isn't it? And I think the the older I've got, the more   the more it annoys me that this world is forcing   me to conform. You know, I appreciate convenience,   and we all know I'm not the best patient person.   However,   you know, QR codes   go into random places to get   things out of random lockers, and all you've got to do is put a QR code in front of it. Does that not just strike you as a bit bit crazy?  

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Yeah. It does. The whole process, but that's how it's done now. At least I suppose I haven't got a go and queue at the post office, but   sometimes, however, there is a problem. You go, and there's no locker free. I   know. Then? Then drive back again a few hours later because they've ordered, empty, like, 3 times a day.   And you know when there's someone in front of you as well, and you you're, like, praying thinking, don't have the last locker. Please don't have the last locker. Yeah. You see, you could have, like, fisticuffs at the locker, couldn't you? You you it's it's that sort of what to happen, Shelley? I'm telling you. It does get like that. You get out of the car and see a couple of people queuing to use it, and you think, oh my god. If this hasn't been emptied, I'm gonna have to come back again. And the pain in the neck of it is if you've left it because usually, like, when you sell an item, you've got, like, 3 days to post it, and it'll remind you you've got 1 hour left to post your item.   And if that locker is full, you then have to drive somewhere else and pray that their lockers aren't full as well. So you have to almost go   a magical mystery tour to find Yeah. You have to be organized. And all of these things you think, oh, I'll get rid of those. But see, I've got in the zone   now. Every time we get a package,   Darren gets loads of packages delivered here, I save all the wrappers   so that now I've just I've just grabbed one out, put my item in it, and take it to the locker because you don't have to see anything on it. I know. I can be quite   I'm quite proud of myself, actually, because, like, working out how to use satnav and add data to my phone.  

These are things that really straight stressed me out, those sort of things do. Dark. But what must it be like those for that older generation? They're not gonna use Vinted, are they? They're just gonna pop them off to the charity shop or, well, that's it, really.  

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Well, this is it. This is it. You know, back again, going back to sort of being the child of the seventies,   you know, I remember my mom always having   her friends round, and they would do sort of like a swap thing of clothes, you know. They would all come with   several items of clothing. They would lay them out on,   you know, the chairs,   the sofa, wherever there was room they would lay it out, and they would all just go around to go, oh, I like that, I'll swap you this, I'll swap you that. Now whatever happened to that? We don't do that anymore. You know, that's Well, they do it with clothes. Form of recycling, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. They call it swooshing, don't they? You have a swooshing in your hand. Or swinging? Swooshing.  

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Oh, okay.   You take all the clothes,   they all get hung up, and you just take what you want. When it when it opens, you just fill a bag. Yeah. Everything's free.  

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Swishing.   Gosh.  

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I don't think it has a name back in the seventies. Swishing. Yeah. Swishing. Swishing. Yeah. And I've got big things as well, like really nice throws, and it's like they're bugging me now because they're taking up space.   So they might have to go to the final destination in the garage   until they And   and and how long do things stay in the cycle? This this is it. Me and Darren have had a conversation about this. I've said it's gotta be a month tops. And it's because me, I want space, but he's like, the garage is his, and he's like, come on. You can't have a whole garage   to yourself.  

You know? I you know, I want a little corner just to put my beach stuff in. Me, I don't see the problem with that. You know? What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine. That's kind of mine. Yeah. It's a corner. And we've we've actually been out there this afternoon clearing it out, and it's quite a nice feeling.   There's corners again, but Darren's way, you see, and I'm I'm not slating   him, he's always   thinking ahead. So he buys things. It's like, oh, that's in the sale. We'll need that soon when we do that room, and he buys it.   And   we've you know, I've just done my garden, and we've got, like, 5 by 7 foot covered in,   bark, and it's ready for planters and stuff. But I've left it rather late,   and I haven't really got time to think about it now because I think it's it's too late. But the last 2 days, he's showing me all these planters. Shall I order them? And I'm like, I've had to put my foot down today. I said, no. Stop ordering stuff.  

Oh, really? Really? Yeah. He said that we might save some money. I said, Darren, I'm not gonna do that until next year now. Alright? I don't want a garage full of planters.  

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Yeah. I'm torn between the 2. I I can see your point, but I also see his. And I think, you know, my   my character, my personality would be that of Darren's. Oh, look. You know, it's in the sale or whatever.   I'll get it now for next year or when I need it.  

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Well, now his garage is clear. Perhaps we can do a few things like that. Well, it's not clear, but, you know, it's just full of skirting boards and everything. And I said, look. Tomorrow,   why don't you put these skirting boards up, and then we'll have, like, space in the middle.   But,   You you almost sound excited about that. There's something about space. That's why I like moving things around to create space even when you're waiting for a room to be done. If it's behind a cupboard door,   it you've got the space. I hate looking up mess.  

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That's true. Are you one of those people that,  

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you know, will organize a room to be, like, one way and then several months later, you'll change it around and move the furniture so it's a different way? I used to be. Not so much here because there's not a lot we can do with moving things around. You know, when you do it all and then you're like, oh, it looks pants. Gotta move it all the way around.  

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Yeah. I mean, I like the idea. I like the idea of it, but, you know, that's some effort, isn't it, to keep doing that? I'm like, oh gosh. No. I've got better things to do in retirement. Bloody move furniture. Well, there's moving furniture, and, you know, I like my painting, and,  

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the list the listeners aren't gonna know, but, you know, we've spent about 5 years trying to do our dining room, and we should have bought the wallpaper before anything else. So I, you know, painted my furniture   gray, my dresser gray, the mirror gray.   And then with the wallpaper,   we've used, like, a creamy sort of color, and now I'm like, gray doesn't go. So I've repainted the table   about 3 times to get the colour right, and then, like, if the dog jumps up to it, it's got a mark in it. Darren's like, oh, you need to sand it all down and do it again. I'm like, oh my god. This room is just, like, taking forever.  

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Yeah. I'm going around in circles. Room has a lot of traffic going through it as well, doesn't it? Because it's like the center of the house.  

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So Anyway, little things.   Little things. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not mobile. You are good at DIY.  

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You are.  

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I don't know. If you look closely, you wouldn't probably say that, but I like painting things, and they do all laugh at me because,   I used to get loads. I think, oh, I paint that. Oh, I paint that.   But when you've got a get a load of it done, you know, just restarted painting that this week to make it the right colour. I was like, oh, doing this again.   You know? And now the paint's scratched off. I'm like, I'm gonna have to do it again.   Oh, no. But never mind. Get yourself some  

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to remove the paint altogether and start from scratch.  

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Yeah. That's what Darren said. That's what but personally, now I've just feel like buying a brand new table and chairs.   Yeah. Not that I'm going to. I'm not going to because that defeats the whole object. But  

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Wow. You're good.   See, I I would just go and buy new.   Well, not new. You know? I mean, obviously, I'd shop around. And if I saw something secondhand, then, yeah, great. I'd grab it. But I don't think I could be repainting and painting and painting again  

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no just no well if I'm gonna have to repaint one lot I may as well repaint this lot It just means sanding it down and stuff.  

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Yeah. Anyway Oh, gosh. I know.  

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Look. I better let you get on because I know that you finish   soon, and I I do. I do. I have to Thank you for having a sneaky chat while you're at work.   Yeah. And I hope you'll be free again. Yeah. Snippets. This is the way to do it. Yeah. This is the way to do it. You know? It could be exciting.  

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Yeah. Because to people and see if they answer and then just  

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and half hour seeing what they've been up to. It's taken by surprise. No. It's you, mate. Alright. So told. You're always you're always at work on a Sunday, so I'm gonna be, phoning you next week.  

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Well, that that that'll be good. Am I work I'm, yeah, I'm working again.   I'm working for the next 2 Sundays. So   hopefully   hopefully, just for your listeners,   before Shelley had called me, a fire alarm went off, and that was all very,   I've got a schedule to keep. I can't be dealing with this. They're all gonna have to burn.  

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Yes. I can't let Shelley down.  

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I did. I did. That's what I was thinking. I was going, no. No.   Look, I've already made an arrangement.   Anyway, it's sorted now. So hopefully next Sunday, it will be a little more or less stressful. Yeah. Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. Well, I hope you have a good 32 minutes left  

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at work. Yeah. So do I. And I will I will catch you up well, catch up with you when you do my hair this week.   Yes. And it will be fine. It will be fine. It will be fine. It will be fine. You can report to people on Sunday, just I will. Don't you? Glorious. I will report. Yeah. And then I'll be like, if you want your hair done, just give it to you.   Right, my lovely. Well, I'm gonna let you get on. Alright. I'll speak to you in the week, chick. Take care. Talk to you later. Thanks for the chat. Bye. Bye bye.   Great stuff. I do kind of trust her for my hair.  

Hairs always looks great, but, anyway, we'll see. We'll see. Right. I'm gonna play a quick tune before we get our guest on.   I think I might have played this a couple of weeks ago. I've been going through all these vintage songs and stuff, and I'll tell you what. I love this sort of music more than music we have now.   This is Dina Shaw, and it's called Buttons and Bows.  

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It's doozy   and west is west and the wrong one I have chosen.   Let's go where I keep on, wearing those frills and flowers and buttons and bows, rings and things and buttons and bows.   A   thick town where they love bug, I'll buy the cut of her clothes, and I'll stand out in buttons and bows.   I'm all yours in   buttons   and   bows.   Getting the Eastern trimming where   Buttons and bones,   buttons and bones.  

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They don't make them like that anymore, do they?   Anyway,   excuse me. Let me clear my throat. Right. Let's get our next guest on,   Tracy Barnes.   Tracy is not online.   She knows I'm calling her at 7:30. Oh, yes. She's just said trying to join   these disorganized   people.   Let's try again.   Okay. I'll tell you what.   Let's try and use Messenger   because I believe that works   just as well.   Alright. Good evening, missus Barnes.  

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Hello.  

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How are you?   I'm alright. Thank you. Good. Good. Yeah. I thought we could do it this way. It saves all the whole Skype kerfuffle.  

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Okay. I was trying to join, and it wouldn't let me. Weren't you? So disorganized.  

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So just to recap, Tracy   worked in a care home. She still works in a care home, and she was a guest a few weeks ago. And we talked about COVID in the care homes and stuff, and we said we do a part 2 about when the dreaded COVID vaccine   came   into, well, came into fruition.   So, my lovely,   tell us your story.  

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So,   I can remember   when it all first started with the whole vaccine   side of it and everything else. I think there was a lot of quite a lot of scaring done,   and I think we were all quite if I remember right, we were all terrified.  

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Scared of having the vaccine or scared if he didn't have it?  

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A bit of both, I think, to be honest. I think it was   scared of having it because   nobody really knew what it was gonna do to anybody because it hadn't been tested   properly. Scared not to have it because you were told   if you got COVID, you might die.   So it was a bit   it was a bit   of a well, I've gotta have it then because   if I don't, am I being and and then also the if you don't, are you being irresponsible because you're   working around it? So is it irresponsible not to have it to protect your family?  

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So I'm just kinda thinking we were all given a deadline, weren't we? I think it was 11th   November.  

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I think so. So before all of that, I know that where I was working previously,   we all got sent the,   fingerprint test. So,   it was the blood test to see if you had  

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COVID already or not. Oh right. I didn't realize they did that.  

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Yeah. I don't think it was   across the board. I think it was your company had to request it. Right. Well, there was some I don't know how it quite went about, but it it could test for antibodies.   Right. So we all did that. I think we were guinea pigs for that. So we did that.   And then it came in that you had to have your COVID jab. And we were basically told   if you didn't have your jab,   you wouldn't be put on the rotor for any shifts.  

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Awful. Awful. I remember it well, actually.   Not in those terms because I was working for an agency, and I was fortunate to   work in just a couple of places   that they didn't they hadn't put those rules in place yet.  

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Yeah. I would have held out to the end because that's just me. I'm stubborn. I'd have gone and lived in the woods, but I know. You know? I appreciate it. I get it. People were like, god. I got more to say. It it it played on a lot of people's minds because it was case that I know we had a lot of younger people working with us and and they were quite worried about it because they were like well you know I'm quite young, I'm really healthy, do I really need it? Will it affect me in the future? Could it affect   oh, it was all sorts, wasn't it? Like, could it affect having children? Could it affect this? Could it affect that?  

No one really knew, and nobody could really answer any of it. And I can remember the day before I went to get mine because I think I was one of the first ones.   I wasn't the first, but I was one of the first groups of people in Cornwall to get it   Pramble. From care homes.  

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Yeah. Yay. Go, me.  

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And   I'm allergic to Penicillin.   Right. And the day before, it was all over the news   that a woman who was allergic to penicillin had had it   and was really, really ill.   Like, I think she went into anaphylactic shock or some she went into something. She had an allergic reaction to it. So I was just   complete panic then. So I was like, oh my god. What if they don't give it to me? Because I'm allergic to penicillin.   What if they haven't got any of the other one that they need to give people? Because I don't think that one was in   circulation then.  

It it it was all kind of and for somebody who sort of suffers from   sort of health anxiety, I really struggled with it.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You do, don't you? I think you might have work.   Oh, I'm awful. I I think it was a few weeks ago, didn't it? You reheated something, and you were like, oh my god. Am I gonna be ill? I don't think I've reheated it long enough. I reheated Scampett. I thought I was gonna die.  

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But,   but it does affect it does it plays with your mind a lot.   And, originally, I think we all just assumed it would be one jab, and that would be it. You'd be done. Well, yeah. You would think so.   And so I went.   I didn't I was really naughty. I didn't actually tell them originally that I was allergic to penicillin.   Right. And then as I was sitting down and she was about to   stab me with the needle, I did say to her, I'm allergic. I've got time allergic to penicillin. I think she could see I was sweating.   But they asked me sort of what my symptoms were when I have penicillin, and I know I'd had a moxysiline   a a few years previous,   and my eyes had swollen up a little bit. Right.  

But   at that point right.   At that point, they just they gave yeah. They gave it to me, and I had to stay there for 20 minutes just to make sure I was okay.   Came home. My arm was a bit sore Mhmm. But nothing nothing major   at all.   And went back to work as you do, and I think   we had a false sense of,   oh, we're immune now. Yeah.  

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You you can still you can, yeah, you can pass it. You can still pass it on. You can still catch it, but have the jab it will make you safer.  

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Yeah. The jab makes it safer, apparently, but you can still yeah. What they failed to explain to everybody, I think, was and I it's probably us being really dim,   was that you can always say you can still catch it and you're still really contagious, and you can pass it on.   But we all thought, oh, you're great. We're we're immune now. We're fine. Yeah.   Plodded along your day as you do. And then obviously, you know, even after my jab, I caught it.   I was quite poorly with it. But then it ended up being, oh, no. We've gotta have another jab now. And you're like, well, we only had one 6 months ago. What's going on?   Oh, no. There's a new strain. Now you've gotta have another jab.  

And then you've gotta have another jab, and then you've gotta have another jab. And it it was just  

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so did you have before you said that's enough?  

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I think I've had 3. Right.   And it got to sort of coming up for the 4th one, and I was just like, do you know what?   No.  

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Yeah.  

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I just   I don't know what I'm putting. You know, I don't know what's going into my body. And and this is a personal thing. I'm not saying that this is what everybody should feel or or anything like that.   But for me, personally,   nothing was changing. Like, having the jab wasn't changing me catching it. It wasn't changing   any of that. It it was just I was putting something in, which I didn't really know what it was,   really.   And it just I just didn't see the point in having them all anymore.  

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Right.  

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You know, I just  

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Well, lots of people say that now. I'm not having any more.  

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Yeah. For me, personally, I was done. I was done at 3.   I understand,   people who want them, I think, and I think it, you know, sometimes it's that it just makes you feel   safer, doesn't it, and a bit more,   oh, I'll be alright now.   And I get that. But for me, I think, actually, it it, at times, it upped the anxiety rather than   making me feel better about having it.  

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Yeah. Because the problem is as well. I think that we saw so many adverse reactions, didn't we? And there was a lot of it on social media, and I was And I think taking part in that.  

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But I think   but I think what people didn't see as well was   it's all very well hearing on the news, you know, those adverse reactions. There's this. This can happen. That can happen.   But because majority of people who have it   are very much like, oh, no. I'm fine. You know? My my arm ached a little bit. I was alright. They didn't see,   I don't know, Marge   having her jab and then 2 days later   having a stroke   No. No. With a temperature through the roof and, you know, They didn't see somebody having a seizure   a few hours after having   the jab. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And, you know, yes, it could be coincidence.  

100%. I get that, but it was just you know, we saw it a lot.  

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And then I think it's a really hard place as well because you're not really allowed to speak out about things like that in the workplace, are you?   You you know, when the doctor comes in because I've been there,  

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before, and I think, oh my god. Those dreaded guys. It's like I think it's just when you're in,   yeah, when you're in the workplace, you, you know, you've got to be really you've got to be professional, haven't you? And   the guidelines, you know, when we're in there, we've got to follow what the guidelines state. Like I say, from a personal point of view, I won't have anymore.  

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No. No.  

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And I know that,   a few of my friends have said, you know, they're not gonna have anymore,   And I know a few people who've like, older people   sort of, you know, my my dad's sort of friends and things like that have said, we're not gonna have any more.   So, you know, there are it is a personal choice.  

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Of course, it is. And I always And make an informed decision. You know? Yeah. But I 100%  

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get, you know,   vulnerable people and and wanting to protect people, and I I get that. I understand that from my point of view as a job. That's all we wanna do   is look after and protect these people. But   what people also didn't see the side of it that, you know, was really difficult for us as carers and for NHS staff was our jobs were on the line.   Yep.   Those first jabs, we didn't really have a choice.   If we wanted to keep our jobs,   we either had that jab or we were out.   And And I think what what was most upsetting about all of that   was   literally   4 months later   Yeah. 4, 5 months later,   the government did a complete u-turn.  

So you had all these NHS people had lost their jobs. You'd had a lot of care staff suddenly didn't have jobs anymore. They were frightened. They didn't want it. Well, off you go. You're not gonna have any shifts. 4 months later,   they turn around. Oh, no. Sorry. We're scrapping that. You don't have to have your jobs now.   Yeah. Most frustrating. Just like, what?   Like, where was this decision to what to put in my body   4 months ago? I didn't have that.  

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Yeah. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. You know? And, unfortunately,  

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you know, I know people say, well, you know, it's your choice. It's your choice.   Yes. It's my choice,   but it was either   earn money to feed my family   and have the jab or don't have the jab and lose my job.   Yeah. And I totally understand that. Totally understand. And it was it it makes you know, it and it does make you a bit bitter towards things with that, I think. And you, you know,   you lose a little   bit of your empathy with things   surrounding it because you're just like, well,   you know, it's like the whole clap for the NHS and things like that. Oh, yeah.   That, honestly,   I used to get really frustrated with that because I was like, but there's, you know, they're not the only ones  

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No. No. Putting themselves  

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on the front line for it. You know?   All care staff all over the country,   You know? We were going into work,   coming home,   putting our families at risk   to look after other people's loved ones. You know?   We would we were doing that   daily. I mean, I I did   on our night because on our night shift team, I see nights,   and I think I did about 10 nights in a row.   Yeah. I remember you saying crazy. Because we just   we just didn't have   the staff to facilitate   what we needed to do and we had obviously, when you have   somebody with,   some kind of with an illness like COVID,   everyone's in isolation.  

So the whole home went into isolation.   Residents were in their rooms.   I mean, this went on for weeks. So every time you had a new case of COVID,   the clock started again. Yeah. Yeah. So you'd be like, oh, we've only got 4 days left and then people can start coming out into the lounges again. Oh, no. That room's got COVID right back to 2 weeks.   You know? And it just went on and on and on. And I think   people didn't understand that, you know,   yes, people were, you know, were keeping people safe. We're isolating them, but at the same time,   this really affected people. Right? You could see   dementia   really declining   Right. In these people   because they were just in the same four walls day in, day out.  

You know, we went people went from walking around the lounges   to suddenly being you know, by the time we all came out of our rooms back into the lounges and the communal areas,   people were nonmobile.  

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Yeah. And and just that, the masks as well, those with dementia, obviously, not understanding what's going on and constantly seeing people. It must've, like, been like something from a horror movie.  

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Oh, it must have been awful because, you know,   with dementia, you do have to communicate differently with people, and   you approach people differently. So not everybody with dementia is the same.   And I'm, you know, I I'm like it anyway myself, but I like to see someone's face when they're talking to me. Yeah. Definitely. Because you you read expressions, don't you? So someone could say something, but actually their facial expression   shows you what they're feeling in that moment.   And, you know, when you can't see that and when you have difficulty communicating anyway,   it just makes it so much more difficult and so much more frightening for them.  



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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I can imagine.  

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You know? And it was. It was it's it was really difficult even when, you know, we started coming back into the communal areas, and we had our little groups of,   you know, that rooms I don't know, 9 to 18 can go in that lounge, rooms   19 to 24 can go in that lounge or you know?   It was things like that, but, you know, you were suddenly   these people who could assist themselves with food and fluids suddenly couldn't anymore.   Yeah. Yeah. You know, there was no people weren't sure how to sort of interact with each other properly   anymore.  

It it was really ups it's quite upsetting to see, actually. I think that was the worst part of it for me was,   you know, seeing these people go downhill   because they didn't have that social interaction. They didn't have   that stimulation   from anything,   really.  

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No. Oh, it was awful. Awful. And it just it seems a bit surreal, doesn't it, that, you know, this was 4 years ago, and this was this was it, really.  

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It does. Yeah. And then you see I mean and then you like, now,  

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if you have COVID now, you don't even have to isolate anymore. You still go into work even if you're feeling you know, unless you're feeling really poorly.   There's no isolation needed or involved apparently,   which I find   truly bizarre. When it all started,   it was 10 days.   Yeah. I guess. You didn't do anything for 10 days. You had to isolate in a room, blah, blah, blah. Then it went down to 5 days, then 3 days, and now we're literally like, oh, nothing. Yeah. Just come in.   Yeah.  

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Okay. Yeah. Yeah.  

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And then you've got, like, like, the Olympics, for example, that's just happened. And, like, you know, so many of them over there are are testing positive and coming down with it. Oh, really? I haven't seen anything like that. Yeah. On the news and stuff, and it's just like,   oh, okay. So it's and I get it. And I I, you know, I I am very much one of these. I think, you know, yes, COVID is out there, but we do need to just live with it,   unfortunately. It's like it's like the flu, isn't it? We just have to be wary that, yes, it's there.   Yes. You know, certain times of the year, it's probably gonna be more prevalent, but it is something that we do all just have to live with now. It's here. It's not going anywhere.  



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Yeah. It's crazy how things change around, though, isn't it? Like, you say that now. Because, I mean, how would you feel now? I mean, I know when we've had COVID people in that have tested positive, it doesn't I've walked into their room. I've not worried about it.   Yeah. You you start, but I'm still in this thing. Like, can you catch the flu? Can you catch colds?   I so in the middle of it, Tracy, but like I said to you last time, I was really poorly, and I've never been poorly like that in my life. Yeah.   Something.  



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The last time I had it, I was I was really, really quite poorly with it, and it it did knock me for 6. And I've to be honest, I've probably I've not been right   100%   since having it. Right.   But   I do think   some of that is probably my head   because I know what I'm like. Yeah.  

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Well, how many times do you think you've had it now then?  

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I've had it 4 times. Four times?   Yeah.  

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So will you will you continue to test, like, for the rest of your life every time, like No.   I'm poorly. I might have COVID. No. No. No.  

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No. I was poorly, probably a few weeks back, and we did have a couple of nurses that were positive. Few weeks back, and we did have a couple of nurses that were positive with it, but I didn't test because I just nothing what what's the point in testing when nothing changes? You don't have   stay home. You don't have to isolate.   Yeah. Yeah. Why test? Do do you know what I mean? It it just seems pointless now. I kinda think if you're unwell and you wouldn't and you thought that you were gonna pass something on, you wouldn't go to work anyway, would you? Well, no. This is it. If I if I odd if I felt poorly, I wouldn't go in. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But I do you know, I can remember   we had to literally every shift we did,   we had to stick something up our nose and in our throat.  

That probably made me feel more poorly than anything.   My nose was raw and so was my throat.  

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Oh, bless you. So you're not just Yeah.  

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Testing. It   was every shift you you started. Every time we started a shift, we had to test. And I worked, like, 4 nights a week.  

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Yeah. It's it's crazy, isn't it? I can remember one home that I went to, and we had to. We weren't allowed in the building unless we had a negative. Negative. Yeah. Yeah. But I was always a bit naughty because at first, they would have, like, people, like, around kind of watching you, but I was turned the other way, and I, like, urged just pretended   that I touched my throat with it and just pretended that I stuck it up my nose every time. But the worst time I had to have you you know, when you go to one of the actual testing centers, because I was starting a new job and it went against everything I believed in, but I wanted a job. So, yeah, I'll go and do it, but I thought I'm not having that up the top of my nose. I'm not having it down the back of my throat, and,   I've just had to, like, kind of fake it, and I did fake it.  



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The the worst the worst part, I mean, doing it on myself, it wasn't very pleasant. Like I say, by the end of it, it hurt, and my nose bled and all sorts.   But for me as well, I think one of the most horrible things was having to do it on a resident.  

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Oh, god. Because I've seen people scream.  

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And you feel awful. Honestly, you feel horrendous because,   you know, sometimes these people don't you know, I'm just gonna pop this up your nose. They don't know what I'm doing. You know?   And then and it it's not pleasant. It does feel uncomfortable. It it does hurt.  

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If if you had to give anybody a test now, though, would you be like a bit like me maybe? Like, me, well, I've just touched your nostril. I've just touched your tongue.   Done.  

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No. Because if I've if I've been tasked to do something, I'll do it.  

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Right.  

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But   I,   I won't I don't do throats because I just think   I'll ask him for trouble either to get bitten   or,   or, you know, they could bite the tip-off and swat. You just don't know, do you? So I do generally try and test the because we generally have the nose swabs. But to be honest, we don't test anyone anymore.  

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No. No.   Good.  

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You know? I mean and that used to be a thing as well. It used to be every   x amount of days, we'd have to test the residents, and it was, you know, it was just awful. Yeah. With no symptoms or anything. You think there's never been a time like it before, really, hasn't it? Just test everybody.   Sit this up your nose.   Yeah. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't a nice it wasn't a pleasant time.   And  

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Did you lose lots of staff from that wouldn't comply   with the vaccine?  

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No. We were lucky we didn't,   by no other places that did.   Right.   Because they didn't and that's and that's completely their prerogative and hats off to them for   saying no. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But   and, like, you know, well, you know,   they're a stronger person than me because I   number 1, I needed the job.   And number 2, it was a fear thing. I was so frightened of getting it.  

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Yeah. Well, lots of people thrown into it that way, wouldn't they? But then the younger generation, I feel for them because,   like my daughter, she wanted to go on holiday.   And at the time, they you know, she even said when she was in that queue, she felt sick, and she knew my views on it. And when she told me, oh my god. I broke my heart.   Yeah. I don't know if she had to have 2.   What was annoying was one of her friends had booked a holiday, and, of course, everybody needed to be, triple jabbed, I think it was. And   she had a really bad experience on the 2nd jab, and she said, I'm not having any more,   so don't worry about the holiday. But because she'd arranged it, everybody else had already had theirs, and my daughter wasn't happy. It was like, oh, anyway,   I think she had all of hers. And, I mean, time over, no, she wouldn't do it again. I think a lot of people wouldn't, but, you know, for the young ones Yeah. They've lost all their time to even go clubbing and stuff, aren't they? It's like Yeah. And it's like my, you know, my oldest,  

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went started university   right in the middle of it all.   And it was the most horrendous   year for university students ever.   I don't think she really went out anywhere because, you know, I think they were locked down a couple of times.   Her lessons were done via Zoom,   so she didn't even get, like, the going into the university, the experience for all. It was just it was awful.   She ended up quitting before she,   passed anything   because she just couldn't she just couldn't handle it. Right. So I think it it was it it was kind of across the board. It it happened with a lot of people.  

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Yes. I'm sure there must be. And it was awful for them.   A a name for this for people that have struggled in that moment, like the lockdown generation.   You know? Yeah. Babies born, didn't see faces. You know? Yeah. And it's like my youngest,  

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you know, she was transitioning from   primary to secondary.   Right. And, normally, they have those 2 or 3 days, don't they, where they go and have a look around the secondary school and, you know, do whatever they do. They didn't get that. They were babies   going into big school,   and it was such a huge shock to the system   because they hadn't grown.   They hadn't had that. You know, they had a whole year   off of primary.   Yeah. They did. That, like, that really important year where they prepare them for going up to secondary school, they didn't have any of that.   No. Never You know? And it it Yeah. And I think, you know, that and that has affected I mean, you can her age group that age group a lot has really affected them. And then, you know, my middle one I mean, all of mine were affected somehow by it, but my middle one,   didn't sit her GCSEs.  

Oh, really? Her grades her grades were given to her on what her predicted grades should have been,   which,   you know,   for some people, that's amazing. You got predicted a's. Well done.   But for other people who got predicted, say, c's and d's,   what if they'd managed to pull it out the bag and done better in their actual GCSE exam?  

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Yeah. So did your daughter do alright or not?  

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She did it. Yeah. She did okay for her predicted, but, you know, what if she'd been able to get an a instead of a c?  

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Yeah. Yeah. I see what you mean. Instead of a c. Do you know what I mean? Is that because exams were canceled?   Yeah. Yeah. Due, yeah, due to COVID. Yeah. Oh, I didn't I didn't ever realize that. I thought they'd still have to exit their exams.  

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Yeah. Yeah. No. Her, year group didn't do their TCSEs.   They got given their grades on what their predicted   from their mocks would be. Right.   So, you know, it's affected people   in a lot of different ways, I think.   And I think it it still   mentally affect can affecting some people now. You know?   Like I said in your last one,   you know, I can remember things that happened like it was yesterday, like, you know, having to verify deaths with an iPad   at 3 o'clock in the morning because the doctors wouldn't come out.   You know, having the undertakers   turn up in full hazmat suits,   and I'm stood there in the flimsiest little apron   you could possibly find, you know? Yeah. But it was yeah. It it's,   you know,   it's it's something I think that will always   be in the back of my mind and will always stay with me. You know?  



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Yeah. I think everybody's got a covid story to tell really haven't they?  

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Yeah. I mean you know hearing   you know, an elderly woman crying out for her mom,   it is just awful, and I don't think that'll ever leave.  

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No. No. Me?  

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And,   I do, you know, I do think to some extent,   there is a little bit of PTSD there for people.  

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Oh, without In regards. I know that there's people that I've worked with supported living that they still they've never got back into going out. They don't go out anymore, whereas every day, they used to go out and have lunch and stuff. You know? Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Well, happy days.   But we meet through it. I know. Well, we got around This is it. Yeah. We we meet we're 4 years on, but the memories are still there to haunt us, and it's still Yeah. And, I mean, what I find, like, I was saying to Scott the other night is strange for me is, like, you know, in a few years,  

[00:58:28] Unknown:

this will be part of history lessons in schools. Yeah. Yeah.   Do you know what I mean? And it it's like, I'm you know, I would never have thought I, in my lifetime, would have lived through something like that.   No. No. I don't think anything understood. Yeah. You know, it's something we learned in history, you know, like the plague and things like that. You don't think anything like that is ever gonna happen  

[00:58:49] Unknown:

No. No. In your lifetime. So it's I think it could still happen again. Wait for stroke 2 after, like, what you've been saying on the news. I do remember people talking about this and saying, is this Sarah?   You know, all these people together, it'll be the next wave. Anyway, time works, Hal. But we need to close-up, Tracy, because I'm running out of time. Thank you so much.   No problem at all. It was lovely talking to you. You too, my lovely. You have an awesome weekend, the rest of   I will. I'll see you during the week, I'm sure. Take care. See you in the week. Bye. Bye. Bye bye.   Lovely.  

Well, say lovely. It's quite a sad story, really, isn't it? Anyway, there we are. I will be back the same time next week. Have an awesome week, my lovelies.