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Women's Hour broadcasts live every Sunday at 7:00p.m. uk time. 

Join us every Sunday at 7pm uk time for Women’s Hour, the show that celebrates and amplifies the voices of women from all walks of life. Each week, we dive into a rich blend of topics, from personal stories and current affairs to health, culture, and the challenges women face in today's world. With expert guests, thought-provoking discussions, and inspiring interviews, Women’s Hour offers a platform for empowerment, education, and connection. Whether you're tuning in for insightful advice, a dose of inspiration, or just a moment to feel heard, Women’s Hour is here to celebrate you.


In this Easter Sunday episode of Womenshour, we kick off with our regular guest, Captain Jo Wood, who shares her experiences from a busy weekend of hosting and exploring local farmer's markets. Jo discusses the nuances of regenerative farming and the challenges of keeping track of time during holiday weekends. The conversation takes a light-hearted turn as Jo recounts her adventures with guests, including visits to iconic locations and humorous encounters with chemtrails and local culture. The episode also touches on the evolving nature of work and societal changes, with Shelley expressing her desire for more mental stimulation and purpose in her career.

In the second half, we welcome Angela Scott, mother of co-host Mallfficus Scott, to discuss her father John Craig Scott's book, "Hidden Government." Angela shares personal anecdotes about her father's life, his experiences in the Boer War and World War I, and the challenges of publishing his book. The conversation delves into the themes of the book, its relevance today, and Angela's reflections on societal changes over the decades. The episode concludes with Angela's insights into family life, education, and the impact of modern technology on society.

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Good evening to the beautiful women out there and the occasional gentlemen out there listening too. You are listening to Wibbenzower,   going live on radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   Happy Easter.   Today's date is Sunday, April,   Easter Sunday.   I hope you've had a good week.   So on with the show, I'm gonna be joined by captain Joe Wood as per usual for the first half, and then I've got an awesome guest lined up for part two.   You know, young mister Munafika Scott, who I who cohost with me on a Wednesday night, well, his mom is gonna pop on. We said we're gonna get to chat to Angela, who is Maleficos' mum, about   her granddad. Not her granddad. Her dad. Maleficos' granddad.  

The book that he wrote that myself and Maleficos have been discussing in detail over the last few weeks. So, it's gonna be nice to have a chat to her.   Right. Onwards. Let's get captain Jo Wood on the line.   She's there. She is waiting.   Good evening, captain Jo Wood.  

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Hello?  

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Hello, miss captain Jo Wood. Are you there?  

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I have. I've just landed.  

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You've just landed. Out   flying.   Have you been flying anywhere, NICE?  

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We have. I've got Mark here with me and his partner, Gloria. Oh,  

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wonderful.   Mark Byford,   the also known as the bowler hat fire farmer on Women's Hour. Good evening, Mark. Good evening, young lady. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. And good evening to your lovely partner.  

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Good evening, Shelley.  

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Nice to meet you. Have you guys had a lovely weekend then?   Office. Oh, wonderful stuff. So come on, Jo. What have you been up to all weekend?   You've been being tour host.  

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Being being a host, basically. So where did we go? What did we do yesterday? What day was your yesterday was Saturday.  

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Did we for sure.  

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Did we do anything on Friday? What happened on Friday?   Were you here on Friday? No. You went to Erwin's, didn't you? And then you came here on Saturday. Everything.   You see, this is the problem, isn't it? That, you know,   when it first of all, when it's a holiday, you kind of lose all track of time anyway in your days.   And then when you're sort of out and about, you just lose   total track of your time. So Saturday   We started the farmer's market. We went to have you ever been to that,   Tricempel   Farmer's Market   just across my old house?  



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I Alright. No. To   go. Only when we met there to go to get the bus to London.  

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Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. That was a cattle market.  

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Oh. Oh, okay. Farmers' market. So A lot yeah. Tell me what it was like.  

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Tell me what it was like. It do you know what? It was really really good.   Really nice people that run it.   Very very switched on   to   all the rubbish that we're currently living under.   Yeah. I won't say the swear words.   Those that the climate change is a hoax,   is very much into   regenerative   farming,   so   knowing how the soil should be, how long you should rest it, what should be grazed on it.   So it was really nice to talk to him.   Lots of really nice quality   farm stalls.   You can go up there for breakfast. I mean,   I I generally don't eat bacon but,   yeah the bacon was good and the bacon tasted like bacon, do you know what I mean? It was   very tasty.  

So yeah, we were there,   had breakfast there, he   looked around the stalls, spoke to the guy that runs it,   then we went on to   the farmer's market on Lemon Quay.   Big difference.   Big, big difference. Quite personalized   down on Lemon Quay.  

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Wow.   You have been busy. It's alright. I'm just checking the sound. Joe is echoing.   Joe, stop echoing.  

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Hang on.  

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It's alright. It's all it's bound to be my end, didn't it? I have just messaged Darren.  

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And  

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Oh, is Darren in charge tonight? He's well, he's always in charge on the older   IT side, isn't he? And, one week, it will all come across right. I did check everything, and he double checked it, but I've just messaged him. Can you come here, please?   He's not checking his phone, is he? I'm not shouting upstairs.   How, how unprofessional.  

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Busy couple of days, really.   Wow. We went down to.   That was very commercialized.   Do you know how much it is to have your picture taken at that sign?   11 no. $10.99.  

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No.  

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We did it. We did it. We agreed  

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a new thing because I did a wedding there last Easter, and there was no one charging   Oh, really? To have photos   done. No.   And there was a few angry people there because we have the bride and the groom, and we went right to the front. Well, come on. It was their wedding day. Yeah. Gonna make them queue up for an hour.   So,   like that.  

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Then we went to the metallic,   you know, with all the engine houses right on the edge of the cliff.   And we got there just in time   before the old sky   started to mist up with those white lines that   miraculously   just appear   in the sky,   and then all of a sudden the sun goes in goes  

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up. Yes. Those things called chemtrails.  

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Thank you. Thank you.   So we got there, and we got some really good weather,   really, really clear.   But as we were leaving, it sort of started to started to   fog up fog up,   out on the horizon.   So we stopped off at St. Ives.  

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Oh, lovely. So you've been doing the right little,   touring, tour operator job, things that you wouldn't have done if you was home here without your guests.  

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And that's what Mark said today. So what would you have been doing today? And I said, do you know what? I probably would have sat outside in my decking,   enjoyed the sunshine,   come back in, looked at my boxes that were around the perimeter of my front room and gone, I can really do something about that, but I'll do it another day. So, you know, I feel like I've been productive   in the last sort of four or five days.  

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Yeah. I should co co. And you've had a bit of time off that you actually needed, didn't you? Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was quite funny, actually, because  

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She had no time off, Gary.  

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Sorry?  

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She's had no time off at all. She's been chasing about after us all over the shop.  

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Oh, she's a good one, but she likes things like that. She likes to keep busy.   Wow. Is it it's funny you mentioned the whole chemtrail thing, actually, because   my ex took our son to the beach.   He had to he said it twice, and I was like,   what you know, he said, well, we met up with this couple,   a woman, a single woman and a child.   They were Piran and the child were talking about chemtrails   and stuff.   He said you could tell he was home educated.   What? Because he knows about chemtrails.   But they put them into that box, you know, long haired child,   unruly.  

But, he had to bring it in twice in the conversation.   And he's like, well, Brendan,   I don't care if you don't believe in chemtrails, but, you   know, you're in my house now, so shut up. I'm done arguing with people about things that I just don't wanna argue about. You know? Well, thing is If you think just because they don't believe it, that means it's not true, does it?   Exactly. And sometimes you can just,   well,   you can go on till you're blue in the face, can't you? And these people, there's no getting on with it, you know? There was a lady I was working with a couple of weeks ago and we kept having the whole   vaccination Oh. Debate. Yeah. And I was really like, I don't wanna talk about this because you're never gonna change my mind. I'm never gonna change your mind. So,  

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you know For a moment, I was quite concerned for you that you would've turned turned.  

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I did threaten it, didn't I? You did? I was,   you know, a documentary was put on, and,   it was all about anti vaxxers and stuff. And I thought, oh my god. I've come to work.  

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Yeah. Yeah. But, you know Trying to brainwash you.  

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Try yes. Perhaps what they were try trying.  

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I think she was. I think she was. She was. But yeah. Yeah. So that that's really been   my job a lot. And we've we've been okay with the weather, really.  

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Yeah. It's guessing now, isn't that? We've gotta bring up the weather. I mean, we've had, quite a lovely day here, actually. It's been, What have you been up to?   Well, what are you eating anyway?  

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India. Mark's treated us to India.   Oh, lovely. Lovely. So I've only just been in in the last ten minutes, you know. We were out   at 10:00, and we've only just stepped in in the last ten minutes.  

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Lovely.   Now I've got a proper old Easter flash. I've had the whole family around. It's been like Christmas, actually. Oh. And, oh, it's been lovely. So, like, had to bring in the spare, like, little table, get all the, like, camping chairs out and stuff like that. Oh, I love it. I love it. I do. I love it. And then, Did you cook?   Of course, I cooked. I cooked a roast for eight people. Well, eight grown ups and three little people. Wow.   And,   only chicken. Nothing adventurous. My daughter was like, oh, oh, wow. Are we not having beef? Are we not having lamb?   And, of course, they got the all these offers on at the moment. I hadn't had a chance to go to the butcher's because I was like, I'm just gonna do a chicken.  

And then I went   to Aldi,   and I picked up two joints of beef. And   I read the wrong price. You know when it gives you the price of a kilo? Oh my god. Yeah. So I paid for these these chunks of beef, and it came to 40 odd pounds. And you know when you're like, oh my god. I've read the wrong price. But I was too embarrassed Yeah. To say.   So I, like, came out of there, and I came home, and I said to Darren   yeah. I was like, I've just spent 40 pounds on this beef. And he's like, no. He said it's Tesco's that it's, like, half price. And I was like, oh, for Christ. I just don't wanna go back there and take it back. Anyway, I went to Tesco's.   Obviously, they'd sold out because it was, like, 05:00 in the afternoon.  

And I did go back to Audi, and it was that same bloody man that served me. And I just said, sorry. I can't justify spending this on beef. Well   yeah. On my two bits. Well, my daughter was disappointed, but I said, would you wanna chip in, Maddie? You know? Because, I think they all think they come here, and, you know, my mum brings dessert and stuff.   But, no, it was nice. We had a roast, and then we went out in the garden,   and kids did a little Easter egg hunt. And then the swing ball was out. So Wow. Seeing the grown up children   well, grown up children, the 27 year old and the 24 year old playing swing ball. Well, they I tell you what, it's simple things, isn't it? We were out there for about an hour and a half, everyone having a go on this swing ball. Okay. Yeah, it was quite entertaining.  



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Was your dad there? Yes.  

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Wow. Yes. K. I know.   I know. I am I was surprised. He made the effort. Bless him. And, yeah, it was just really nice. That's what it's all about for me. I love having everyone around, that family time.   You know, we were planning to walk up into Trune, see, like, they do a duck race annually with all the plastic ducks in the stream, and you have a number and you win an Easter egg. It's it's good fun, but we didn't make it because we ran out of time. But Oh. But you enjoyed yourself, and that's all that matters.   It is. It is. But I am in a little bit of a, I'm in a bit of a boredom right at the moment. Crikey. I'm  

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so bored. They're they're not as often as they used to be, are they? Your boredom   phases.  

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Well, I I need to work more now. I'm ready to work more. I've had long enough. I mean, my next shift isn't until Friday. Oh. And I mean, some people will be like, oh, lovely. You've got the whole week. No. I've I'm done now. I'm done.   You can only go around cleaning so much. I mean, there's always things to decorate, but I'm just I need some mental stimulation, and I I need to   what's the word? What myself and Louise were talking about last week. I need a sense of purpose for work. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So I I applied for that job as the activities coordinator in Cambourne,   and fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. When's the closing date?  

I don't know. It only came out on Friday. Okay. And it was funny because I spoke to them last week, and I know a few people that work down there.   And I left a message. They were gonna phone me. They never did because I think the manager went away. And then I said to Maddie and Darren, I said, shall I go for this job, or shall I just carry on doing agency work? And they both said, oh, I'll just carry on doing agency work. But when I saw that advert pop up on the Friday morning on Indeed, I was like, I got really excited.   And I thought, now I need to do this because the job I'm doing is just not enough  

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mental stimulation for me. Well, this is it. You kinda get stuck in a rut, don't you? And then it just becomes   almost like you're on autopilot.   I think at that point, you do then need to   sort of readdress. Is this is this what I wanna do? Is this where I wanna stay? Do I want more of a challenge?   And I think you probably you actually reached that point quite quickly, which is always good.  

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Well, it was only ever supposed to be like a stopgap,   but I tell you what's interesting is, like, all the agencies I was holding out for, like, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, bank holiday Monday because they all used to be double time. And you could earn crazy money as an agency worker,  

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but they've stopped doing it. What I was about to say, have they stopped that? Yeah. Because  

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I suppose there's so many people now doing this job   and so many foreign people,   and they're glad to get the hours. They don't need to put the rates up anymore, but this is the first year they've ever done it. Yeah. And I'm like, wow. Problem, isn't it? With, you know, with all due respect  

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I mean, well,   yes. With all due respect, but in the same breath same breath,   I think probably in the last ten, fourteen days days,   whatever his title is, head of the Met Police,   come out and said they will no longer employ   white officers   over people of ethnic origin   if they go for the same job. The ethnic origin person will get it over the white person.  

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No.   You know,  

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we're we're all big believers in charity,   you know, begins at home and all of that. And I don't think   a job should be based on the merit   the color of your skin. It should be based on your ability to do the job. I don't care if you're a cat, and I know Mark and I throughout all this weekend has sort of, you know, made reference to people that identify as cats and stupid things like that. But you should be based on your ability to do the job.  

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Well, it's like the last job that I lost out on because, obviously, Cornwall County Council had to try and find us jobs after closing the nursing home down.   And there was a team of Indian people,   that they were conned when they came over here. They basically worked for a care company that didn't pay them in the end.   And if they didn't get a job, they would be sent back to India. So Cornwall Council   stepped in to help them,   and they were obviously helped. We we we were all supposed to be given, like, equal opportunities. And there was a job that came up fitting my description   that was in Campbell and would have been perfect doing the same role that I'm doing now.  

And   from the start,   I knew I wasn't gonna get that because there was another young lady.   She'd gone for it, and she'd more or less said that she'd got the job. And when I bought this up, first of all, I was made out to be some sort of racist dyke. Yeah. You know? Because I did say, you know, I'm not being funny.   Anyway, I didn't get an interview   or anything.   They tried to say, oh, it's your CV, Shelley. That first page should jump at you. I said, well, surely when somebody reads a CV and they can see that   she's been doing care work   for nine months,   and I've been doing it for twenty three years. This is actually the doing the job that I'm doing now.  

And I've got health care qualifications,   MBQ level two, and all that sort of stuff. And I didn't even get an interview. And I know it was to save them   because it would be harder well, because if they didn't get a job, they would have to go back to India.   But we are in, unfortunately, a big race war at the moment, and lots of people like to call it the whole multiculturalism   thing, don't they? But  

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it's too much. I I I think it goes much deeper than that because   because Mark and his partner   have, I think, put an application into the embassy for Gloria to stay here.   But it's, like, only on the proviso that you don't work. And it's, like, oh, okay. You know? Alright. You know? I'm gonna abide by those rules.   But what's the difference between,   you know, Gloria   that will make a contribution   to the to the pot, if you will, to, you know Mhmm. Max,   pot.   And then to be told, well, no. You can't work when she's got more to offer than people that have only been here nine months,   but then the council or whatever authority is gonna bend over backwards to to help them help them. You know, it it goes   much, much deeper than   sort of   race or   or your ability to be able to do a job.  

Those people   were not as qualified for you to do the job that you clearly   could do with your eyes shut eyes shut. I mean, I remember you saying in the in in the care home upstairs or something. I don't know if it was this one that you were at you were at. But they had, like, what appeared to be   a whole load of   illegal immigrants   that you would just see come and go. And it was like, what on earth is going on going on?  

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Yeah. We've had some funny encounters,   but they're changing all the rules with that now, I think, aren't they, with the illegal immigrants?   Oh, that I don't know. I just know that Cambourne High Street is full of,   Turkish   barbers Yeah. And now Chinese nail bars   and takeaways.   And it's not it doesn't breathe Cornwall.   You know, it doesn't breathe a traditional Cornish town, but I know this is happening more and more everywhere, really. I mean, I mean, you're telling me that we need that many barbers. And I mean, there was a big thing that they were going undercover,   and they did   arrest some people that were because for those sorts of people, that's the sort of work that they can get into without having to give ID and stuff. But come   to   Camborne   because it's a it's a regular joke on the Camborne pages and stuff on Facebook, you know? Wow. Anybody know of a I put a question up one night, and I was just taking the mickey. Can anybody recommend a barber?  

And, nobody got that. I was being sarcastic.  

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The slight I was just saying, it's all over. It's licked all over the country.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They would be saying this for traveling around.  

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Yeah. I bet you are. Yeah. I bet you are.  

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So It's, You know? I mean, like I said, it goes much, much deeper than what we think and what we see on the surface   of everything.  

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You know? Well, it's not only about diminishing our way of life.   It's also about diminishing diminishing our   culture culture. Yes. Our really our religious values. I'm not gonna say religion because we're not religious, but it definitely   pulls out the fact of our religious values as a country.  

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Yeah. Well, The UK realistically should be a Christian   country, but I think we've now got more practice in Muslims than Christians. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think And we wouldn't get away if we went over there and set up churches everywhere, would we?  

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Yeah. But then we've seen this in history before. Let's face it because because before Henry the eighth got onto the throne, everyone was Catholic.   True. True. You know, so this isn't the first time in history it's happened.   No. I guess And then you either told the line or got killed so good.   Yeah. Do what you're told. Yeah. So I better get yourself a nice prayer mat, Shelley.  

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Well, that's the thing as well. I couldn't believe it when I went into the offices at work, and they've got these little fold up prayer mats that come with a compass.  

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No. And, yeah, they supply them. Compass compass. A compass because they've got to face the right way to pray. Face to the east to the east. Well, I hope that's the real compass, and then that's not one of these ones what's trying to find real north at the moment when north keeps moving.  

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Wow.   Yeah. But, I mean, they have they do have to do it in their lunch break and stuff like that. They're not given a special time,   but we have to, you know, appreciate and,   well,   honor their religion and what they do.  

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Yeah. But what about what about us? Like That's nice.   We're laughing today that, oh, you know, we should be really grateful that we've got Easter Sunday as good weather,   you know. But if it was Ramadan,   I mean, how how many weeks did that go on for? You know, is it it goes on for a whole month? Is it? Yeah? Is it? Yeah. I would say   a good three weeks of that was half decent weather.   Mhmm.   Tip. Yeah. Think. It makes you think. You know?   How how how can we just have one day good sunshine and then, you know, the rest is shit weather?   Whereas for any other religion,   somehow it manages, you know,   to be okay for them, and they get you know, made allowances.  

You only have to go back to the run up to Easter when schools were saying,   no. No. No. No. We're we're we're not gonna be doing any Easter activities at school because, you know, it could be deemed as offensive offensive to other religions.   Well, it it shouldn't it shouldn't be deemed offensive because it should be   everybody should be inclusive. Everybody should be there to learn   about one another,   not just one   particular bloody religion.  

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Well, no. This is it. And Darren was saying he thinks probably a lot of these workers now, because they're not Christians,   that they don't need to advertise double time and stuff because it's just an ordinary day. You know? Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. Yeah. That's that'd be their get out of jail card, won't it?   Yeah.   But   yeah. I'm I'm not overly religious like that, but I did. I really enjoyed the chat I had   had with Louise   on Wednesday night. It was like a bit of a life coaching lesson, really, because she studied   theology and stuff like that. And I find that fascinating   because   I think now I speak to so many different people that   discuss the scriptures, the Bible in such a different way,   you know. But if if I was to go into church and question some of their beliefs about certain parables and things like that, they would probably say, you're off your rocker. But, again, is it not a place where you can seem to  

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debate what was said in the Bible? Well, no. We we did try, didn't we, when we went to that church, but it was a very it was a very alternative  

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church. Put it that way. Gloria likes to question the, the Bible the Bible,   especially since she's been living in The UK with me.   There's lots of things because Gloria knows her scripture inside out, don't you?   You know it really well. Yeah. Mhmm.  

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Well, may maybe maybe we should have Gloria on one Sunday evening on women's hour.  

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Definitely. We should do actually because you do your own podcast as well, don't you, Gloria, and you're helping Mark out?  

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Very much so.  

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Yeah. Kind of limit what I say before they use my words against me.  

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But, no, we'll do that for sure. I mean, I've got, an interesting guest coming up in a little bit, actually.   You know, Maleficus, who I do, my show with on a Wednesday   Yep. And we've been discussing his granddad's book, Hidden Government, in-depth the last few weeks. And,   anyway, his mum  

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is gonna come on and talk about it. Oh. He said it was her dad. That'd be good.  

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Yeah. That's brilliant. To get to meet some interesting people. Have you More so peep all people online.  

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Have you met his mum before?  

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No. No.   But I'm sure she's wonderful if she bore a son like mister Scott.   Undoubtedly.   Undoubtedly.   Yeah.   So what are your plans? Let's close-up. What are your plans? When is when is the Byford and Gloria heading back?  

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Tomorrow, they're heading up to Bodmin.  

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Bodmin. They're bouncing the ball.  

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Bodmin bouncing the ball, and they're working their way back up. I think you're on the road for what? We meet Shelley in Somerton, aren't we? The   Shelley you're going to Summerton, are you, Shelley? Going to where? No.   Are you going to no. You know when you called   yesterday   or the day before on Face   Time, and Mark said, oh, it's the badger lady   or the badger lady.  

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I know I love a lady called Shelly.   Oh, okay. She's she's meeting me in Somerton.  

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Oh, okay.  

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Yeah. I was like, where are you going that you've not told me about?  

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Oh, wow. Busy busy on tour. I love it. Yeah. Very, very busy.  

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So up to Burnley.  

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Burnley.   Lovely.  

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No. I can't hear you now.   Yeah. They're they're going so the purpose of going to Lamb's End was   at some point in the tour, they're going up to Scotland and then to John O'Groats. So it was like John O'Groats'   lands end type thing.   Right. So we had to go to Lands End to prove that you know he has actually been there. Stop it at all.  

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But you didn't pay for the photograph?  

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Oh, we did. No. We did all that.  

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You did?   Yeah. They all hung up to get their photograph taken. And in between people, there's, like, literally a split second where there's nobody at the pole. So that's what we waited to do. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I love it. I love it. Yeah. Right. Well, my next guest is waiting in the room. Lovely to speak to you all. That was a nice surprise. Yeah.   Yeah. Well, have a good tour,   Mark and Gloria, and,   no doubt you'll be back on the show again soon, and we'll do another catch up. Love it because you will fill us with loads of knowledge.   Thank you darling. Thank you. That's alright. Have a good tour. Right, miss Jo Wood, captain Jo Wood. Alright. Speak to you soon. You take care. Have a good week, guys. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Bye bye.   It's funny, isn't it? How it takes us to get visitors, to get out. I I couldn't cope with going to Land's End. All those people. Never. Never. Never.  

Right. Let's get miss Angela Scott on the line.   I can't unmute you, Angela. I know Maleficus is with you. Yeah. Okay.   Good evening, miss Angela Scott.   Hello.   How are you doing?   I'm okay. You're okay? Oh, it's nice to finally hear your voice. I've I've heard lots about you.  

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Oh, that's nice. Oh. Well, I presume it's nice.  

[00:31:17] Unknown:

Oh, it's all good. It's all good. So first question I have to ask, I mean, what is it like to have a sunlight Maleficus?  

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Well, he's the best. I just said to him just now, I've got three children   and three grandchild and and and all my grandchildren are the most important things in my life.  

[00:31:37] Unknown:

Lovely. And they should be, shouldn't they? And that's like today. I actually put champagne in the fridge because,   you know, we've collected it over a few years, Christmas presents and stuff, and it was like, there's never that real special occasion, but today's Easter Sunday. We're all there. Let's get the champagne now and just celebrate us all being here. So Yeah. Well, with James, I mean, I'm so proud of what he's done getting my dad's book re reprinted and everything. You know?  

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Yes. Because that was all it's all sort of filed into the background for years, and  

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and, I'm I'm really proud of what he's done. Yeah. He's done an awesome job. He certainly taught me a few things.   So on to the book. So I have just said to our listeners   about who you are, mister Malefika Scott's   mum, obviously, the daughter   of,   Hidden Government, but, oh my god, I've forgotten your dad's name.   John. John Craig Scott. John Scott. Yeah. Sorry. Jock.   Yeah. Right. Okeydoke.   So yeah. But and, I mean, you never really knew much about this side of him until you got a bit older. Is that right?  

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No. Because he died when I was 11. Righty o.   Wow. And, I remember   I went to   a boarding school, and, I couldn't remember   someone coming up to me and saying, your mom's coming to pick you up this afternoon. And I thought, why? It's only Wednesday. You know?   And, that was why.  

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Oh gosh. And,  

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I didn't know until I got home, and then   all was revealed.   Yeah. Oh, bless you. And I looking back on it, I'm pretty sure that he died   he died of pneumonia, but there was a flu going around at the time.   And he went to a meeting in Exeter, so I've been told,   a couple of nights before.   And, he was fine. He did have a heart problem,   but   I've been talking to my brother about it. And quite honestly, I think, you know, he   he caught flu, and I think it's what finished him, you know, with his heart problem and everything.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Because he wasn't that old, was he?   78. Oh, he was? Well, no. He wasn't that old. Sorry. I'm putting my No. Don't say that. I'm going to be 79 in July.   Although I don't feel like it. I'm not 79. I just it's just a number. It is just a number. Yeah. Yeah. So he had you later on in life then?  

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He was very proud of that. Yes.  

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So are you an only child?  

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No. He was married twice before   before my mom. Right. So I had a   a half brother. Is it half or step? Half half brother and a half sister   by two different marriages.  

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Are you still in touch with those now?  

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No. My brother was   he'd have been 96   now. He died years ago, but the family weren't in touch with him. He didn't behave very well.   And,   so he was sort of in the distance, but I think my   my actual   brother,   my real brother,   did manage to catch up with him, but I don't think it really ever came to very much. And then I had a,   a sister who died of,   by his second marriage. She died of,   breast cancer some years ago,  

[00:34:58] Unknown:

but I hadn't seen her for years either. So I don't really know much about them. No. Oh, that's a shame. So how how old was you then when, like, you came to realize that your granddad no. Your dad, sorry,   had written a book with such,   what is the right word with such depth?   With such,  

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Well,   obviously, what the thing was he used to have   lots of people coming to visit him at the house. And my mom being the perfect hostess and co   cook and everything,   she used to do all the sort of,   all that side of it, but she never really knew   who they were.   And she used when I was older, she used to say, you know, dad had lots of people used to come and stay at the hotel at the hotel at the house.   And she said,   I never really knew who they were, but they were obviously people that he was   in touch with,   I would imagine, to to get his book together.   And she also said that   he used to go to London,   and she never really knew what was going on.  

And she would never have been surprised if he'd been bumped off. She knew he was in dabbling in stuff,   but she never really knew what.   And, of course, he was very careful what he said.   But his book I mean, he tried to get the book. I understand. He tried to get the book printed,   and no one would take it on.   And, eventually, he found,   a print some printers that were operating on in two railway carriages outside Saint David's Station,   and they agreed to do it. And,   a year or so later, they went bust,   which seems a bit odd. I've always thought that was odd.  

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Yep.   So how old was you then when you, like, first read the book?  

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Probably not until I was about 17 or 18.   And that must have been hard to read because, I mean I found it re I found it really hard to read. I've struggled with it a lot.   But, of course, I've read it so many times since now.   And sometimes I'll pick it up and just read the odd page or the the beginning or   the end or little bits and pieces   just to keep in touch with it. I mean, if you read the beginning of that book,   it could be today.   Yes. What he's talking about, it could it could be now   with the unrest in the world and everything.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's an amazing piece of writing, and I'm sure Malefika said to you a while ago that I was quite touched. It was on top of   the reading list for one of our well known farmers as a top reader. It was his top number one book. And I was like, crikey. It's nice to know somebody else that's read this book. I mean, there are a lot Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, I've lent it to a few people, my neighbor and someone else or someone else. And  

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I always say, you know, if you don't agree with any of it, it's it's   that's fine.   And none of them have said   anything   against it. Wow. You know, that's fantastic   piece of writing.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   And for its day, I mean, it is harder for me to read because going back in time, we did speak, we did write,   a lot more particular   what's the word? The grammar.  

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It's we don't speak in those terms anymore, if you know what I'm saying. No. We don't. In fact, the English language is just as I remember, it is disappearing anyway.   You know, people don't   there seem to be so many new words now, and people don't speak as clearly as they used to, and   everybody speaks so fast. I can't understand them on the television   sometimes. Do you do you have that problem or not?  

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Sometimes.   Sometimes.  

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Yeah. But the But the English language has changed. I mean, since I was at school, definitely,   the English language has changed a lot.  

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Yeah. I don't know if that's just progress that's gonna come on, and I suppose where will we be in another twenty years, but you people don't write the way that your dad   wrote anymore.   I'm not saying about that topic, but just the way it was written.   Yeah. Hidden government listeners.   I urge you to get a copy.   Where is it again that people can I should know this because Maleficus tells me every week he says it on the show? Oh, Kandor. That's it. Kandor. Yeah. Yeah. Candor.com,   is it?  

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I think so.   I you'd have to check with James, actually, on that one. Yeah. That's alright.  

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So what was it like to have your dad as a father? What what was he like as a father?   Was he strict?  

[00:39:54] Unknown:

He was strict, but I adored him.   He   bearing in mind, he'd been to hell and back in the Boer War and the first World War,   and   he was a very   gentle person, really.   He he was strict,   weren't allowed to leave the table until everybody finished eating, and you had to ask if he'd leave the table. And   I don't know, but I didn't think anything of it because that was the way I was brought up. You know?   But the little things that come to mind, we had a summer house, and   bearing in mind, he spent all his time   in his library, if you like, in his in his room   writing. And,   I remember I had the summer house with   dolls and teddy bears and a tea a tea party, and I've got leaves and   seeds and all sorts of bits on the little plastic plates. And I went over and asked him if he'd come and have tea with with the teddies and the and the dolls, and he came over and sat and drank   water out of the little teapot. And,   you know, he was   he was very,   very, very gentle sort of person, and I think   what he'd been through, it must have been   awful.  

And yet he still had that kind, gentle way about him.   Which was lovely.   Yeah. Because I mean And he used to suffer terribly with,   I suppose you'd call it brainstorms   in a way. They used to be   awful sort of carries on   sometimes in the house, and my mom used to say,   you know, she called it brainstorms, but I have a feeling that it would   be called post traumatic stress disorder these days.  

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Yeah. I was just gonna say that. How do you live through something like he did and not suffer at all?  

[00:41:51] Unknown:

You can't unsee what he saw.   You know, my brother told me because my brother was seven years older than me, so he   talked to him in a more adult fashion fashion than I ever did.   But,   my brother told me that he said   when he was on the Somme,   he had to take five people with him   on a on this mission. I don't know what it was exactly.   And someone said to him,   take five people with you, and you know you may not come back.   And   that's when this shell exploded quite near him, and he was blinded in one eye. And he lost his hearing in in one ear.   And one of the people that he took with soldiers he took with him,   obviously, he was in the Argyle and Southern Highlanders.  

This particular one was was a piper,   and he always said he never saw him again.   I mean, that sort of thing is horrendous.  

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You know?   So much to carry. So there's a lot of weight to carry, isn't it? But if it wasn't, it would have been somebody else.  

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But, I mean, someone could die in front of you or be killed in front of you, but   to have someone that you know and and and   probably got on with really well   was just blown to pieces is absolutely horrendous.  

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Oh, awful. Bless him. And, I mean, do you do you think that Maleficos looks like him? Because I've seen his picture several times Oh. And I can see such a resemblance.  

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Yeah.  

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Oh, I'm so chuffed. I'm so pleased. There's one particular one.   I'm not quite sure where it was taken, whether it was the one taken in Malta.   But the first time because James dug it up somewhere. I don't know where he found it,   on the Internet, obviously.   And I looked at it, and I said, oh my god. That looks exactly like you.  

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Yeah. I can see I could see it straight away.   Yeah. Amazing.   Wow.   And you was home educated as well. Is that right?  

[00:43:58] Unknown:

I was. He taught me till I was nine.  

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Right.  

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Nine till one every morning.   That's all.   And I went to boarding school. He sent me to a convent. I don't know why he sent me to a Catholic convent,   but he didn't approve of the local school.   So I went to a convent. I was a weekly boarder to start with, and then I became a a termly boarder.   But at the age of nine, it was a bit of a shock.   But   the only thing I was behind on was geography.   The actual school were absolutely   well, they were very impressed   that my dad had taught me so well   from the age of four and a half, five until I was nine.  

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What do you think steered him then to send you to school at that age and not just continue to home educate you?  

[00:44:53] Unknown:

I don't know. My brother was sent to boarding school when he was seven,   which is even worse.   I think it was something that   he thought was the right thing to do.   I don't know. I don't really know why. I know my mother   didn't like it, but,   you know, because, obviously, you miss out a lot, don't you, if your child isn't there   growing up with you at home?   Yes. That's a good question. Send   sending my children away to boarding school would have been horrendous.   Not that we could have afforded it, but,   yeah, it was a bit of a it was a bit of a a daunting experience. I can remember my first night at school.   I went and rubbed my handkerchiefs all over the horses because I used to ride a lot,   And I went down the bed   my first night at school and cried my eyes out with these handkerchiefs, sniffing these handkerchiefs.  



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Aw. Yeah. Did it take a long time to settle in? Did you settle in eventually?  

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Not really. I never really enjoyed school,   but I just, I think, just got on with it. That was incredibly strict as well.   But when I think about it, you know, it hasn't done me any harm.   No. I I look at I look at the children walking along the road going to school   or in the mornings, and they look as if they've   their shirts hanging out and they haven't got any coats on.   They look as if they've just got out of bed.   And I think   I don't know. I think the old I I know I sell in the old fashioned, but   the old times were were so much better because of the discipline.  

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You know? There's an element for it. Definitely. I mean, I think we're very, very relaxed, our parenting now and stuff like that. But I know it's brought up quite a lot on radio, actually, on some of the other shows how generations, they've just got untidier and unrulier   as time has gone by.   People dressed smart back then.  

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Yeah.   And I don't know, but I was sitting I use the buses quite a lot because it's convenient for me.   And,   the girl one of the buses goes into the school at 03:00 if you catch that one, and it picks up some of the children. And this girl got on the bus with   a skirt on. She went up the stairs,   And I thought, oh my god.   Absolutely   left nothing to imagination   at all.   And I I'm no prude, but, I mean, that was a bit short.  

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No. I don't know where you're coming from. I see that in Camborne   all the time. And one day, I was walking through the town on school well, school kick out time   and the amount of girls   with their skirts all rolled up.   And, I mean, it it's everywhere. My other half works at school, and he says sometimes it's awful walking behind these girls up steps and stuff because their skirts are so short.  

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You can see everything. Yeah. Yeah. You stuck into the imagination,  

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but it's,   again, it's I don't know. People seem the youngsters of today, they can't wait to grow up, can they, and just reveal  

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so much. Whereas I'm No. I feel sad. My youngest granddaughter,   she's   she's 11, going to be 12 now, and she went to senior school,   in Newquay   Last Autumn.   And she changed almost   within a week or two, she just started to change. You know? And now she's into   makeup and boys and stuff, and it seems to happen so quickly now.   When I was at that age, I was stripping my   my brother's motorbike down with him, you know, and riding horses and   clearing out stables and things. It it was a completely different life. You didn't really grow up until you were about   16, 17.  



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No. There was a lot more innocence, I think. Yeah.   It was scary thought, though. You say within a couple of weeks, you saw a change. I mean, my, well, nearly 12 year old is due to start in September, and   it is oh, I don't know. It was daunting. And you've you've made me even more worried now within two weeks, but I'm glad it's so loud. Sorry. No. That's alright. They do no. They do change. It's it's it's a completely just different environment, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. And there's just so much going online and stuff like that. I mean, do you use the Internet much?  

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No. Not at all. I haven't got a computer now. It blew up, and I've never replaced it.   I do everything on my phone,   and I don't do anything much on the Internet at all. No.  

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I think it's a  

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Sorry. I don't belong to Facebook or any of those. I I do WhatsApp,   but I don't belong to Facebook or anything like that.  

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No. You're not really missing out on anything as I'm sure Maleficus will always state to you. We regularly have our well, he regularly has his rants about mobile phones.   And I regularly joke that if I have to get a hold of him, I have to send a message to Shar.  

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Yeah. Exactly.  

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Yeah. Unfortunately, it's the way of the world now, isn't it? And I do feel for people, like, for your generations as well, because   even my even myself,   I don't like the technical sides of, like, you know, if if you go shopping and you have to use the self-service and all those buttons,   I just don't like technology.  

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I think technology Oh, I've got used to   I've got used to the self-service, but it really annoys me because I just think, you know, people are being put out of work. Am I wrong? I I just think think you're wrong. No.   I was in a queue Although I know the Astor in, the Astor in Newquay, there's only one checkout there now.   All or they're all self checkouts.   And the one the the one that's manned is,   very rarely   open.   And I just think there's about four people that could be employed there   that aren't employed.  

[00:50:54] Unknown:

And they argue, though, that they can do more work, get more people on the floor because I've had this conversation with them before at Audi   because I'm not doing a week's shopping and queuing up and then, like, doing it all myself.   That's not my job. I've come to the shop No. Well, James James said, I'll be they'll have me stuck in the shelves next. He refuses to use them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he doesn't want his face recognized neither because that's the thing, isn't it? All of these self-service checkouts,   they've all got facial recognition on them. They've all got cameras. Yeah.  



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There's cameras everywhere. Yeah. Cameras in Newkis. Cameras all the way down the street. People don't realize how many cameras there are everywhere now.  

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No. And lots of people that, like, just work in the likes of Superdrug,   they're all, like, wired up, and they wear chest cameras.   But they say the rate of crime in Camborne,   the amount of theft, that's why they do it, and to record people that are rude to them and stuff like that. Yeah. We're we're all on camera. Big Brother is watching.  

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Talking of Cambourne,   the next time the next p the next,   town up, Red Rose Mhmm.   Somebody told me the other day there was a whole new housing estate had gone up.   And usually, the houses that are going up around here,   people move into them before the paint's dry practically. You know? You think, my god. Those all those houses have just been finished, and there's people living in them.   But this particular   housing estate somewhere at Red Roof, and I don't know the area well anyway,   has been standing empty for some time.   And I happen to know somebody, my neighbor's,   partner,   works on the Biffa   bins. You know, he collects the rubbish.  

And he said that the estate is filling up with   people who are not English.  

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Yep. That doesn't surprise me.  

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Yeah. He said the whole estate is is being taken over.   And I did hear, and it's only hearsay,   that the Cornish Council have agreed to take a thousand immigrants this year.  

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Oh, only a thousand.   No. I haven't, actually, but only a thousand.  

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Well, that's what I've heard. So, I mean, perhaps they're just letting us down lightly.  

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Well, I've got a friend that lives in a really nice I've not been there, but she said because she couldn't find a home anywhere,   she was, like, kind of sofa surfing with her two children.   And in the end, the council had put her up in this lovely new build house   with 50 on the electric meter, underfloor heating, you name it, all the mod cons.   And she said, well, why can't I just move here permanently?   And they said, well, this is for illegal immigrants that come here.   It's just,  

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Is that in is that in Cornwall? Yes. It is. Yeah.  

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So she's because she said that, you know, they even get £50 worth of credit put on their electricity before they moved in.   So   it's frightening when we think where all the money is going and stuff like that. It's crazy.  

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I don't know where it's still going to end. But then if you've got a prime minister who was   a,   human rights,   he was,   a judge not a judge, a solicitor? No.   What's the word I'm looking for?   He was   a human rights   person anyway.   So he's not   he's not really doing much about it, is he?  

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No. I don't think many of them are,   and I think we've had a record influx. I think a couple of days ago, 600 came in. So  

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2,000 in a week? Yeah. So well, we Well, I I I don't know whether James knows because I know he says he doesn't watch any of the news channels, but I watch,   GB News a lot.   And you get you get a lot of information on that. I don't watch BBC,   but you get a lot of information on GB News that you don't get on other channels.  

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It's nice to see the uptake on that channel, actually. Lots of older people start even my nan who was 99 started watching that in the end. It's like, wow.   Might get a bit of information  

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on board. Oh, you do. You do. And they were saying that 2,000 had come over   in one week. And then I I thought I'll watch BBC tonight, and I watched BBC, and they didn't even mention it.  

[00:55:27] Unknown:

No. No.   No. It's crazy. I mean, I should think, really, you look back to the days when you were younger. It's not a nice time. My nan used to all say and, I mean, I know you're not as old as my nan. You're just a few years older than my mom, but, you know, fearful for, like, future generations, what it's gonna be like. I mean, I'm sure your upbringing   growing up was a lot different, and you're glad it was then and not now.  

[00:55:51] Unknown:

Well, I had a privileged upbringing, I must admit. And   we didn't have a lot of money, but it was a a very nice   upbringing. And,   my mom and dad knew lots of lovely people, and we used to have these lavish parties at the house and   Chris, Hogmanay and New Year.   Obviously, my dad being a Scotsman,   used to,   have these lovely parties and sort of evening dresses, and I remember it distinctly. And now I think   all that's gone. Not that I would   would want to do it now, but there does doesn't seem to be   any,   class in anything now. I don't like the word class, but   everything seems to have gone   backwards. Everything's gone downhill.  

And I have noticed Yeah.   Yeah.  

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It should just be well, things are always gonna be changing, aren't they? And I know that everybody will always kinda think that their   their time as a child was better. I mean, even me at 48, you know, I think   my childhood was better because we didn't have all these screens and everything like that. But Oh, this is what worries me. If  

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we look back on our childhood or when we were growing up and say,   oh, they were the best years. You know?   What worries me   is when my children and my grandchildren   look back on these years and say,   oh, you know, 02/2020,   '2 thousand and '30, they were the best years.   What's it gonna be like in two thousand and fifty?   Yeah.   If they think these were the best years.  

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Well, this is it.   You know, when we look back on things like COVID,   I mean, you know, my child missed school like several other children out there   and probably missed a big chunk of learning, really. His little things like his handwriting, we we struggle with joining certain letters, and I think it's they missed that because   they weren't in school. You know? They were being sent to do all these things online.   And, actually, it just took away from them, but the whole COVID thing took so much away from everyone, didn't they? How did COVID affect you?  

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The COVID well, I didn't have any of it. I didn't have any of the of the jabs.  

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Hooray.  

[00:58:13] Unknown:

No. I didn't have any of them, but I've got friends and people friends of of friends who   were severe. Well, I I know for a fact that two people died within a few days of having having it.   They both had so called bleeds of some kind.   And one or two people I know   have got this so called long COVID.   Right. But the thing is, they had the injections.   So   they caught COVID even though they'd had the injections, and then they say   they've got long COVID.   No. I think it's the result of having the injections.  

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Quite possibly. I mean, I've never seen so much in my life, like, died suddenly   in titles.   I can't every day on Facebook, you scroll down, someone else has died. They've got heart problems, and, you know, people are dying younger, and it's obvious to me. But And the cancer seems to have gone up too suddenly. Yeah. Turbine cancer. People with cancer.  

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No. I I had two or three people I knew quite well,   who well, two people I knew very well who died   within a few days.  

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Frightening. Frightening.  

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And then the other people who died One of them, she Sorry. She was 64. She was walking. She was as fit as a fiddle,   and that's what happened.  

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And did her family realize, do you think?  

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Well, it's very difficult to try and get people to see it because they immediately   think you're,   oh, you're just anti vaxxed and that sort of thing. You know?   But I'm not anti vaxx, really. I mean, I've had yellow fever.   I've had   couple of other things. What did I have? Shingles.   I was particularly   anti that one right from the start   because   it all happened so quickly. And, I mean, I understood that that's you're   a nurse. I understood that vaccines   took a long time   to create over a period of years.   Yeah. But did we not that one seemed to be   I don't know whether it was already invented  

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or whether it was Oh, it was rushed. Yeah. I think the   trial ended in May,   actually.   Oh, really? It did. Yeah.   Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway well, look, Angela, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to cut it there because we've come to the end of the schedule.   And That's alright. That's flown by. Thank you so much for your time.   And it's lovely to make the connection because I know me and Maleficar's he said for ages, you gotta get mom on. And I'm like, yeah. I will. I will. And this week, I was like, right. I'm gonna message you. And it's been really lovely.   Yeah. It's been really lovely, and they have to come back on at another time with Maleficus as well, and we can all chat about it. That would be good. Yes. Alright, Angela. Well, it's it's been a bit I I was a bit nervous about doing it, but it's worked out very well. It's fine. It's just a little chat.  

Well, thank you for your time, my lovely.   And, I look forward to hopefully, I'll meet you one day when I'm down the line. Yeah. Sure. That'd be nice. Alright, my lovely. Well, you enjoy the rest of your Easter Sunday. Take care. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye.   Wow. That was nice.   Nice to finally chat to Maleficus' mum. Right. I have run slightly over.   Never mind. Anyway, I will be back the same time   next week,   on Sunday with women's hour. And then Wednesday,   I will be here at 07:00,   and I've got Guy Anderson joining me who is,   an author   and knows all of his stuff about Tartaria,   so I'm really looking forward to chatting to him. And then mister Manifika Scott will be joining me for hour two, and he might join me for hour one as well. Anyway, have an awesome week, guys, and I'll speak to you very soon.  

Right. It's   all off. If you're still there, Angela, thank you very much. I don't know if Maleficus is