Recorded December 15, 2024
In this episode of the Radio Windmiller series, Patrick Chenal welcomes the creators of the Catholic State Podcast. The discussion kicks off with Patrick sharing his admiration for their clever AI-generated songs that humorously explore themes around Catholic and Jewish relations. The conversation delves into the origins of the podcast and their music, highlighting how the Catholic State Podcast was born out of a desire to discuss ideas that didn't fit into article form and to create a platform for these discussions.
Technical difficulties briefly interrupt the conversation, but the hosts continue to explore the evolution of their podcast and music, including the creation of a new genre they call "Jewgrass." They discuss the impact of their music, which they describe as "audio propaganda," aimed at motivating Catholics and creating a parallel Catholic culture to compete with the prevailing Judeo-Masonic culture.
The episode also touches on the historical and cultural influences on Catholic music and the importance of creating content that resonates with people on a sensory level. The hosts discuss the role of music in the culture wars and the need for Catholics to create appealing content that can compete with mainstream media.
Patrick and his guests explore the historical context of Catholic and Jewish relations, the impact of modernism on the Church, and the challenges of maintaining Catholic identity in a secular world. They discuss the importance of reclaiming Catholic culture and the potential for a future restoration of the Church's influence.
The conversation concludes with a reflection on the need for unity among Catholics and the importance of spreading truth through engaging and accessible media. The hosts express their hope for a greater Catholic culture and the role of their podcast in fostering this change.
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Patrick Chenal:
So shall we start? I'm ready. Yes. Alright. Good. Okay. So it's Sunday, December 15, 2024, and, my name is Patrick Chanel. I am hosting Catholic State and his podcast partner here. They do a podcast called the Catholic State Podcast, and I really enjoy what listening to them talk and and the subjects and topics that they come up with. And, also, I the where I found them was originally in the e Michael Jones's Telegram channel, and Catholic State has a lot of these clever AI songs that he does with, themes typically about, the relations between Catholics and Jews, and I just they're clever. They make me laugh.
I really like them. When I when I first heard them, I was just like, this is too much. I gotta try this. So I I tried the the suno dotai and made a few of my own. I took some songs that I'd written previous and put it into it, and it's just so clever. It's so neat, and I I wanted to bring them on to talk to everybody. And this is my 3rd episode of, the Radio Windmiller series that I'm doing of broadcasts, and so welcome to the show, Catholic state and podcast partner. Thank you. Well, thank you, Patrick. Yeah.
I was just talking with your podcast partner, Catholic State, about the weather. It's it gets cold up here in Wisconsin. We get ice fishing and and Thanks for having us here. Oh, you're definitely welcome. I I appreciate it. So tell me a little bit about yourselves. How did you get into this mess of, podcasting?
[00:01:46] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
So the podcasting, the music, or the podcasting? Well, both. Both.
[00:01:50] Patrick Chenal:
Which came first, the podcast or the well, I think we lost oh, there we go. Which came first, the podcast or the I cannot hear you, Patrick. You can't hear me? Did you disconnect or am I Nope. It's probably your connection. We might have to start over or just cut this out, but, either way, technical difficulties.
[00:02:11] Host of the Catholic State:
Let's say that's the name Oh, you can't hear him either, podcast partner?
[00:02:15] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
I can I can hear I can hear both of you?
[00:02:18] Host of the Catholic State:
Okay.
[00:02:21] Patrick Chenal:
Okay. So I don't know what we're gonna do to rectify it. Is there a way you both could use the same computer?
[00:02:33] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
I don't know. Because when when we when we record our podcast see, I don't really know what the tech setup is since it's not my computer. Because when we record the podcast, we're just, like, you know, 5 feet away from each other looking at each other. But I don't know I don't know the whole setup, so I don't know why that wouldn't work here. I mean, I just have no idea what the setup is, so that would be That's okay. Yeah. Just like he was saying, he's the techie of the family. He's the more he's the more technical person. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:03:07] Patrick Chenal:
That's alright. There he is again. Can you hear us?
[00:03:11] Host of the Catholic State:
Yeah. Yeah. I can hear you now. Like, you I I your connection dropped that. Patrick, I'm sorry. No. That's okay.
[00:03:19] Patrick Chenal:
Yeah. No. No. Your your podcast partner could hear me. I'd and but you couldn't hear me, and I I think you could hear could you hear him? Yeah. Yeah. I could hear him fine. Oh, okay. Odd. Very odd. I maybe if if if it just keeps continuing like this, we could switch to Telegram or Skype or some other place. It wouldn't matter to me. I think I might even have a StreamYard account set up somewhere that I could could do this, but, if it's going well now, let's just continue. So I I was asking, how did how what came first, the podcast or the music?
[00:03:55] Host of the Catholic State:
The music. The music. Music. Well, the first thing that came first was the website. Like, I've been writing articles for a couple years now. My podcast partner, he you know, he's he's he's been in my life for a little while. So he's he's always been helpful for me. But, yeah, then, like, he's always had some good ideas. And so, like, the podcast was just, you know, me me and him having these these thoughts and these conversations with each other, and then me wanting to give the podcast was one me wanting to give us a platform for these ideas that may you know, just to be humble and honest about it. Mainly, my podcast partner here has, kind of come up with and, like, a lot of the things that, like, won't fit article form because they need to be discussed.
And so it's like, you know, we we created the podcast so we can discuss these ideas that, like I said, mainly come from him, some come from me too. I I wanted to give him more of a platform too though. And then the music thing happened, earlier this year around, it was Good Friday. Our friend, a friend we had, he created this first this song, I forget what it's called now, but it's, I was like, oh, it's it was bluegrass. Let me I called it Jewgrass, and that's where Jewgrass got started. Yeah. We've been doing that since. Yeah. Was it every single time that the father of Jewgrass made? Every single time, that's the song. Yeah. So if you look it's on YouTube.
Look up every single time, and you'll you'll find the song.
[00:05:31] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yeah. And it's it's it's funny when I so the father of Jewgrass made every single time we we like to call him father of Jewgrass. And then, a couple of people started making making songs also. And, then I was I was listening to them, and, you know, obviously, I I thought some of them were were funny and whatnot. And, then I was I was giving ideas and and throwing stuff out. But I I the way people were talking about it first, I think it was almost just like just as if it's just a lark, as if it's just this silly thing.
And then I think we kind of started realizing like, wait a minute, this can really be something. Like this can really be a game changer in constructing a parallel Catholic culture, at least at least one front of it, the music front, where there has truly been a change where you couldn't have a few guys before who kinda start making a genre and start making legitimate inroads just with those few guys of truly kinda starting a kind of a genre, like Catholic action and social reign of Christ, the king, and and things like that. And we kinda realized, like, well, wait a minute. The situation has so changed so much. A few guys can do that, and we can really make we can really do something and fairly quickly you know, it's been less than a year, and there are almost a 160 songs now. I think it's with not even that many people writing them.
[00:07:10] Patrick Chenal:
No. Well, that's just it. You can write a song. You can write the lyrics, basically, is what you're doing, and you're putting it into a program that's already programmed to do the bluegrass style of music. And you can choose any style for that matter, but the it there's just something to the style of bluegrass and the lyrics that go together quite well because of the history of bluegrass being a religious mix of kind of like folkish tales of woe and tales of, people just everyday life is particularly in the South, which it's it's quite something. And then you have imitators now all of a sudden, which is good. You you got this, Irishman that lives in England, Sean Naughton that, does does the the, what song was that that he broke out with about the, Talmud?
No. No. That was your song. I I remember 2 2 of your songs really stood out to me. It was, have you heard of the Talmud? That was that was one that was written by the Jews. Yeah. Contained several blasphemies. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one, and I like the Bobby Fischer song.
[00:08:21] Host of the Catholic State:
Bobby Fischer was a Jew.
[00:08:24] Patrick Chenal:
It's just so it's so clever and so catchy.
[00:08:28] Host of the Catholic State:
It's audio propaganda. That's what it's supposed to be. I mean, like and that's the way people we like like, in our music podcast episode we just released the other day, we we want people to see it as it's like, we're not trying to make high art here. We're not trying to, like, paint the Mona Lisa. Right? You know? Like, if you want some high art, you know, music, go to mass. Listen listen to, like, Mozart's, Ave Verum Corpus or something. Right? We're trying to, you know, motivate Catholics and create, like like my podcast partners say, a a a parallel Catholic culture to compete with the Judeo Free Masonic culture. Right? And we're also trying to you know, it's propaganda, and I don't mean propaganda in the potty mouth way that people use it these days. I mean propaganda in the traditional sense of, like, you create something that's catchy or beautiful or something that it appeals to the central appetites in order to
[00:09:26] Patrick Chenal:
actually push truth, not push lies. The topic too. And that for that matter, that doesn't get enough political,
[00:09:34] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
media attention in the Yeah. Because if media. If you look at at what the Jews do and Catholic state have discussed and I have discussed this privately and I guess on the show. So we have the exact same point of view. But, if you look at what the Jews do, how are they winning the culture war? They're not winning the culture war by saying, listen, everyone. We want you to think this disgusting thing. So here, go home and do your homework and listen to this thing you don't even wanna hear. No. They make it so that it's aesthetic and catchy. They make it so that it's so aesthetic and so catchy that even someone who hates their point of view because they know it's sinful and dishonest, they're still tempted to consume the Jewish media.
Whereas our side mainly has things that I mean, no, there's a lot of sacred church music that's beautiful and things like that. But I mean, on the popular front, we we really don't have this entire culture of music, videos, news, consisting of things people want to listen to. They're not not that they just would as homework because they think it's good for them, but they want to listen to it. We need people to be tempted, so to speak, to do good. We we need to just take it as as a given. Like, well, human humans are weak. We're we're not just going to logically decide this is good for me, so I will put it in me. We're we're going to listen most people are going to listen to something because it's catchy, because they like it. So the thing they listen to simply because they like it needs to be healthy. And so that's that's been our point of view where it's not just a lot of people on our side are just getting sort of half of it right. They're saying, well, there needs to be a positive message.
Well but how much good did it do if no one wants to sit around and hear it? So it has to be a message that people actually want to hear. And that's true on the music front, but that would be if someone else starts making news or starts making videos or doing Catholic comedy or or something like that. This would be true for anything whatsoever. The the big thing, I think, is it can't be homework. You have to want to watch.
[00:11:57] Patrick Chenal:
Yeah. And you also have to have a desire to to propagate it. That and that's kind of what the whole Edward Bernays, idea of propaganda was. He was taking it I think if you read his book on propaganda, he was he was actually trying to take what the Vatican was doing with the propaganda ministry and secularize it or Judaize it and use it for their purposes rather than the church's purposes. He, like, explicitly in his foreword to propaganda mentions the the the, office of propaganda at the Vatican and how much inroads they were able to make into cultures, especially tribal cultures and missionaries. It's it's quite something because you you do. You to this day, we have Netflix, and that that takes up a lot of people's time, their leisure time when they're between working and sleeping and all the family stuff that people do.
[00:12:57] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
That's interesting. I've actually read his book, but it's it's been a few years. And I who knows? Maybe I maybe I skipped the foreword. I that's quite possible. Maybe I just never read that. I I did not realize. I'm really curious now. I want to look that up because I either skipped the forward and never saw it, or I'm just for I just forgot that was ever there. That's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense to me. I mean, like, you know what I mean? He took his uncle uncle Singh's,
[00:13:21] Host of the Catholic State:
stuff, you know, as far as brain, new what is it? Psychoanalysis, which is it is essentially brainwashing people and mixed it with, you know, propaganda and came up with a I I mean, that's what the that's what the Jews do. They take everything and turn it upside down, so it it it makes a lot of sense to me. Well and it's clever in the way that it's done because it sparks the imagination,
[00:13:47] Patrick Chenal:
and they it's like, Hollywood is set up that way. The music industry is set up that way where you're and and that's probably why they have such political clout because it's an Aristotle and idea that, you know, whatever you contemplate as a group is is politics. That's the definition of politics in its crude metaphysical sense. So if you can get a group of people to be contemplating the same thing at the same time, you have real power, political power, that and you can motivate. You know, you don't even need an army at a certain point at that point because it's a it's a peaceful way to to accomplish your goal, whatever that is. And they've they've done that quite well with their whole Zionist project.
It sparked the imagination of people. Like, oh, there's an exodus. It's a new exodus just like in the Bible. And everybody, you know, even Christians read the Old Testament story of Moses and the people of Israel fleeing Egypt and the pharaoh. And it it you think about it, like Cecil w DeMille made the movie The 10 Commandments, and it just sparks a lot of thought.
[00:14:52] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yes. And even even in Catholic history, you have things like Saint Bernard preaching the crusades. So we have a lot of people today when they have sort of, oh, let's let's fight back. And, of course, we should fight back. But a lot of people today when they mean it in a physical war sense, we're we're just not there. And I think and I know you know you didn't mean that. But, so you mentioning the army just kind of reminded me to go in this direction. You know, we're not really we're not good guy Napoleon. We're good guy Pam flotiers, is how I sometimes say it. And and, you can't sometimes today when people want to have, like, war fantasies, I think everyone knows our side isn't there.
And, you know, even in Catholic history, you don't first have a crusade. You first preach the crusade. And yeah, that that's true on the Catholic side, on the on the Jew Masonic side. You don't first have a Napoleon. You first have a Martin Luther and the pamphleteers. It's it's really you you first have Romanovs. Yeah. Yeah. So you you have to set the stage. And that's that's true for the good, and that's also true for the evil. And especially, we're kind of in remnant seed form. So we have to we have to plant the seed. Right.
[00:16:20] Host of the Catholic State:
Yeah. Yeah. Culture before culture wars before political wars before actual war. Right? I mean, we gotta we gotta like, right now, we're just our our we're dying in the culture wars. We're just completely dying. And we we have no we have no political power, let alone military power. Right? So we gotta we gotta win the culture wars before we win the subsequent wars that come after it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, go ahead.
[00:16:45] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Well, this is this is why I think Catholic State and I are both interested in learning. There seems to be a kind of a doctrinal vacuum on Catholic music, outside sacred music. But if possible, if there if there are things we don't know, I am interested in learning a Catholic line where most most people like our music. Most Catholics like our music. But there are some who would say, you know, that's something with more of a rockish feel like like pansy man is, well, no, that sounds kind of rockish. And I would say, well, I think it's like well, it's that's rockish, and it speaks rhythmically to the body. And I would say, well, so do wardrobes. And pansy man, you know, your daddy hoped one day you'd grown to a man. Instead, you bowed his gum and throw your courage in the can. It's supposed to people. It's like Catholic war drum. To me, that's what a song of pansy man it's it's like Catholic war drums.
And and, I don't want to give up. War drums have never been called sinful as long as it's a just war. Only the war could be sinful if unjust. But war drums in a just war are not sinful, and we're in a just war. So I am wondering if Catholics have been tricked into giving up important tools. And that's why when the some when some people do say and, again, it's the minority. But when some people do say, no. I think this is simple. It has a rocket shell limit. I don't just say, oh, well, someone said it's a problem. I'll I'll just agree that it's a problem. Even when they're saying something not true. Their their their their point will roughly be that it's inherently sinful to speak rhythmically to the body, not melodically to the intellect, but that's not true. And the reason I wouldn't just say, well, you know, I'll just obey it anyway in case it's true is because it's not as if it's neutral.
If we are giving up war drums, then we're giving up future war. And it's a just war. And I'm not willing to give up war drums to lose the war if there is no actual principle that says you can't use the war drums. And so that's why we are we are interested in having these conversations with people where they'll say, well, I think it's a problem in this way. But this is why we will say to them, if you claim there is an actual problem, you must really state the problem, and you must have evidence because we are giving very important reasons that we are doing this, and we think it is fine.
So for the minority who think there is some problem, we're sort of more saying, well, we'll actually make your case. They they'd have to really prove there's an issue there. We wouldn't just obey it because it it truly would be giving up something powerful, and we're not going to do that unless there's a real Catholic point there. I I remember
[00:19:20] Patrick Chenal:
back in the day, I went to Magdalene College for a little bit of, you know, introduction to what they were doing out there. It was run by the military archdiocese in Concord, New Hampshire. And I remember one course that they were giving was talking about music and its effect on people and peoples. And they they would play different types of soothing music, and then they would play, like like you you were just mentioning, war drum music. And it's like, what does this make you feel like? And it's like, well, that makes me feel like I wanna go out and march and go do something. You know? Go go go take some land you know, seize some land from some invaders or something. You know?
It and it does. It it it it evokes emotion, and it gets people, to to act in in a certain regard, just like, you know, popular music does. It makes you wanna go out and dance and go to the club or whatever it is. That's Right. And that and that's the coal culture war that that we're talking about. And Right. People like E. Michael Jones have have a very interesting role in that because they're he's so prolific. I remember the first book that I read by him was Dionysus Rising, which relates directly to music. Have you read that yet before? Because it's a it goes into the history of music from the from the beginning and then up until Altamont rock concert with the Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys and the the drummer of the Beach Boys drowning drunk and all this kind of stuff. And just how the music changed, You had you had submerged he didn't he this was before his Jewish revolutionary spirit book came out, and it was more or less, talking about the the culture war, the culture camp, as it's called, in, from Bismarck's time in, what is it, 1850s, around the revolutionary time, where they basically went in and said Catholics can't be teaching children Catholicism.
They have to go to government schools and socialize with the Jews and the Protestants, and there's no real way to continue on teaching about a Catholic state that's somehow superior to the others. And and it gradually came to be that the Papal States lost, their their territory to the point where the pope became a a prisoner of the Vatican with Pope Pius the the ninth, where he he had to cede all of his land and he was beholden to Rothchild loans for militaries that, didn't benefit the the pope. It ended up benefiting the gradual Jewish state that arose out of the Republic of Italy.
So there's a point where there was a Catholic state, and then and then it diminished. And now it's, you know, the Pope the Pope claims that now his his role has become more universal than it was before having that territory, but I I just wonder how how it's changed, and is it for the better? Or is it is it is it possible to return to some sort of Catholic state that's ruled with the harmony of church and state? What do you think?
[00:22:40] Host of the Catholic State:
It's definitely, change for the worse, and, ideally, we would return to the Catholic state. Yeah. I mean, I think that's to us, that's obvious. Yeah. It's I mean, you know, like, ever since, the Vatican fell or not the Vatican, but the people states fell, like, yeah, it was that was that was a bad thing. And, you know, it was ever since then, it's been just a series of compromises with the world. Even before Vatican 2, there was a lot of, you know, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna just, drag these popes to the mud, but there was a lot of compromises. There's been a lot of, you know, you know, a lot of bad compromises of the world. Like, even the the talk, the stuff about the Jews has started becoming the the church started becoming hush-hush about it before Vatican 2. And then, like, you know, you've got, you know, things like the compromises compromises of the Mexico, compromises, you know, with the the revolution, you know, French revolution and and Chris and all this stuff. So and that's that's been kind of a a problem since. It's it's a it's a constant compromise with the world, and it's led to where we're at right now, which is is complete it's a complete mess in the church. It's complete confusion.
It's it's not only compromised with the world anymore, but people are at the world is actually is actually come into the church, at least what's the what the visible recognizable church is, and it's it doesn't even appear to be the same religion. I mean, it's the counter church. I mean, people some people are naive and deny that the counter church is a thing, but it's it's clear that it it's it's a thing because it's yeah. Yeah.
[00:24:22] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
I'll I'll let my podcast partner take it from here. I don't I don't wanna rant too much. Well, yeah, the the Catholic position. So is it a good thing or a bad thing that people states were lost? Now it is the Catholic position that the divine divine providence gave the Catholic states as a way for the papacy to maintain its independence. So the pope ruled the papal states even in a secular sense. So it's not the Catholic position that a pope should be world emperor. The papal states are sort of an exception where it is there is a valid reason for the papacy to have a certain amount of of land and property and and a government and a state where, the the pope is is head of that even in a temporal secular sense as was the case with the people states, in order to have independence in order to have independence. And and I think we can see how important that was in what Catholic state was just talking about.
What what happens when you lose that, there there is there is a definite difference. And I I think, for instance, there there could be a difference even in in Pope Leo 13 saying, shine the light. He was saying, shine the light more on Masons, where I think that's probably that could easily be the the sort of gun to the head version where previous popes would have said shine the light on Jews. And Leo 13, he was still saying on Masonry, and perhaps people already knew about Jews, but but not masonry. But you wonder you wonder what was going on behind the scenes to make that change. But there had there's been I mean I mean, they yeah. There was there was sort of a gun to the head. For all we know, they were so infiltrated, and it was just impossible. For all we know, they tried to get out a document that said Jew, and the power is you know, that one's just tossed aside and burned. And and the only one they we have no idea. We have no idea what was going on.
But one way or another, the equivalent document 200 years earlier
[00:26:38] Patrick Chenal:
would have said Jew. That that's just that's just where we're going to say that. Freemason, which freemason to me is kind of the whole Judeo Christian, Zionist type mentality of, socialism in in the sense that I I had mentioned this on your Telegram page that I think socialism was essentially freemasonry which meant you a freemason being, a mason that wasn't bound to serve any particular church at the time in Europe Right. Which would have been basically, turncoat Catholics, apostate Catholics, or Protestants for that matter, that would say, well, you know, the traditional traditional teaching of the church was that a Jew was not allowed to have Christian servants.
Well, it was a reversal of that in saying, I'm a I'm a Christian. I'm willing to serve Jews. I'm willing to work for the Jews and socialize with them. And the Freemasons offered that opportunity as a social club where they could where Christians and Jews could mingle and and Muslims in the Ottoman Empire could mingle together and they had more or less the stronger of the 3 at that point then becomes the Jew in that relationship because of the hatred of Christ and the inability of the Christian to make converts in that setting because of the the oaths that they would take and and the oaths to secrecy in conspiring.
I I've found it interesting. Last night, I was reading from I've got a set of books on the Encyclopedia Britannica from 1910 and the article on Zionism, and there was a, a character in there that I found really interesting. His name was Mordecai Emmanuel Noah. And what hap what happened, he was he he was an early Zionist, and he was gonna set up, you know, how the the Zionists want wanted to like with Herzl they wanted to go to Palestine. They wanted all the Jews to return to Palestine and start a Jewish state there. Mhmm. He had the notion of setting up Grand Island by Niagara Falls as the homeland for the Jews and he used the Freemasons as a means of doing it and not only that the Native Americans he had this notion that the Native Americans, amongst the Native Americans were the lost tribes of Israel and that they were going to be a part of it as well. And he he was let's see. He was born in 17/85 and died in 18/51.
It's quite you know, it's the beginning of the American the American government in the revolution. He was he was right there at that time, and it was it's it's interesting. And then later, I I about that Grand Island idea where it fell through, and then he started focusing on Palestine and sending, you know they had an excess of Jews in New York, and so they're they're using that as an excuse to send them to Palestine, that there are too many Jews coming to New York, New York City. So let's let's create a fund and a trust to finance them going and taking the Holy Land back.
[00:30:10] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Do you guys each have a few bucks? Because we have that same excess in New York today. Maybe we can get that back.
[00:30:15] Patrick Chenal:
Well, no. I'm I'm thinking about that. New York City?
[00:30:19] Host of the Catholic State:
Why don't why don't Catholics have that same kind of scheming mentality that we're gonna start our own state again or, you know, take take back the holy land, the crusader notion? It's just not We we don't. We we have a loser mentality. That's that's kind of the I mean, that's kind of the big focus of our podcast really is is just you know? And I mean, I I'm not trying to sound uncharitable here, but it just it really is just we have a loser, self defeating, you know, let's shoot ourselves in the foot. Or if if not shoot ourselves in the foot, let's turn our guns. You know, we call it the t suede. Right? Let's turn our guns against each other and shoot each other type of mentality. We don't we don't think of we don't think you know, the demons are good at collaborating with each they hate each other, but they're good with collaborating with each other to to to hurt us. But we can't collaborate with each other just to just to, you know, get our church
[00:31:13] Patrick Chenal:
Yeah. There's too much infighting. And and you know you know what, though? It that it, you're right. There, and it's done on purpose to get Catholics not to have any sort of unity and when, when we should have unity in the Church. The Church is perfect. It's a perfect organization, and there's no need to reform it. It's already there. It exists. But are we a part of it? That's the question you have to ask. And they get us fighting about this, you know, the traditionalist versus the they call it the Novus Ordo. Just it's to me, that's an insult when you start using language like that. Novus Ordo and the way people say it. It's just it's like, can't we just be Catholics?
Well, the problem is is Can we challenge the people that have taken over the the clergy? And I mean, we have to import we have to import clergy now. Because, you know, you have rabbis at the seminary's teaching and and and this sort of thing in America. It's just nobody wants to be in that environment. So Yeah. You import more traditionally minded or at least not exposed to the the cultural rot of the West, these priests typically from Africa and India that come here. But then they get exposed here, and then they go back, you know, they get exposed to the whole, you know, Jewish, Jew, Judaized Catholic thing, and then they go back to the India. And you can just imagine what's happening there too at the same time. The the Judaization
[00:32:38] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
is so bad now that it is not recognized as Judaization. And this this relates when you were talking about the relations between all the different groups, I would say roughly at a at a bigger picture theological level since God is good and even his opponents realistically know it. And God is timeless, and God God is honest, and God will say, I am God. But Satan knows he's disgusting. Satan doesn't really think, yes. Yes. I'm I'm actually good. He knows he's disgusting. And Satan can't say, I am Satan. It's only very a very small percentage of truly psychotic satanists to whom he can say, I am Satan. You you know, kill for me or some something like that. So he pretty much says he he transforms into an angel of light. He says, oh, I'm holy. And so Satan is forever having to change his stripes.
And so one of the biggest relations of all these groups is simply the fact that the Catholic church can just say, we are the timeless Catholic church. It it always wants to say the same, whereas Satan constantly has to set up communist, socialist, neo everything, theosophy. It's you you know, you just have these countless
[00:33:58] Patrick Chenal:
different groups that are, Ayn Rand's objective. You you know, we could we could just sit here and Ayn Rand literally 100. It reminds me of Mark Twain in his letter from Vienna when he's talking about the way the Jews were being persecuted in Vienna at the time in the 1890s. He was saying that Satan is basically the most victimized entity on Earth for the reputation that he has and the amount of material against him without any any sort of, ability of him to have a response to it. It's just, you know, trying to make a a mockery. You know you know, Mark Twain was. He just twists things to make it entertaining and funny. But,
[00:34:38] Host of the Catholic State:
yeah. God God is a creator. Satan is a corruptor. That's all Satan knows how to do is corrupt. And I mean and that's the problem we're facing today. He's been corrupting everything outside the church for the longest time. And then, you know, when the smoke of Satan entered the church, when modernism came, you know, in the in the to or late 8 19th early 20th century after the papal states though and everything when modernism started infecting the church, that became the biggest problem because now, you know, modernism has has is evolving into Neo Judaizing now. I mean, this is really this is the fruit of modernism really is coming out, this Neo Judaizing, and I really and I I think it's the most pernicious thing just because this neo Judaizing that's happening in in the church now is actually going to lead the lead to people calling themselves Catholics, and I'm using quotes right now. They're not actually Catholics. Calling themselves Catholics, you know, these quote, unquote Catholic Zionists or whatever, they're going to actually help bring in the antichrist.
They're actually helping bring forth the antichrist and helping, this false state of Israel, come to power, and they're going to help build the re or the 3rd rebuild the 3rd temple, which will be the seat of the antichrist. They will be the helpers of the the synagogue of Satan, the enemies of god, and that's why this is what's happening. This false church, this neo Judaizer church is is the most pernicious thing Satan has done because these people,
[00:36:19] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
are actually helping the enemies of God and calling themselves Catholic at the same time. And and I I Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I I think one one thing I see with the the neo geo deicing, Catholic state has talked about the Noahide laws. One thing in particular I have seen with the Noahide laws. So they let's look at a few things they say in isolation and just put them together and see what they likely mean. So one, they say that each Jew individually in the Jewish community itself is God, is literally God. They they say all this, bizarre stuff.
Pride is the root of all vice, and it's truly hard to imagine a more prideful face to be than that than I I am literally saying you're literally saying they're god. So if but they also say that blasphemy should get the death penalty. Now what does it mean if blasphemy should get you have these Shabad Lubavitch people saying this. What does it mean if blasphemy should get the death penalty and you are calling yourself literally god? You would be saying if one person speaks one word against you, they have earned the death penalty. So I I believe on that front, look at what they do with calling everyone anti shlemmitic. What do they want on that front? They want to create a world. Now I'm not saying they'll get it. Not evil people don't always get what they want, but I absolutely believe this is what they will try for. They will want to try for a world where it's a 100 times what we see today where they just call you hate speech incarnate.
But where they would one word against them. They they sacrificed someone else. They they molested they did another usury crime. One word against it. And it will be claimed you literally blasphemed god, and you are subject to the death penalty. That that is what they want. And they want a situation where it is this umbrella religion, all religions within one religion. They they want that. They want multiple religions so they can all fight each other because they want their Galilean dialectic with religion as well. But but it'll say, well, any reasonable religion, which will mean following the Noahide laws, which will which will be conflated with nice. Well, yes. Yes. Yes. But any reasonable religion, which means nice, which means obey the Noahide laws. And you will have you will have people who identify as Catholic.
You will have people who identify as Catholic fighting for the antichrist, fighting for the Jews, not in the name of ant the antichrist. They will do it in the name of the Catholic faith, and they will say it's what you must do if you're we we already have the the beginning seeds of this today. You have people when people criticize us in our podcast, they don't say I'm Judaizing. I say I'm on the Jewish side. They will say I'm Catholic. Therefore, I'm nice. Therefore, you can't talk about the it's this weird they they use this fake nice term as the middleman.
I'm Catholic. Therefore, I'm nice. Therefore, side with the Jews. I'm Catholic. Therefore, I'm nice. Therefore, we have to go along with Jewish evil. Yeah. Well
[00:39:29] Host of the Catholic State:
and and they'll say things like the all the the Catholic church teaching before Vatican 2, it was like, those those mean old Catholics, they they they were persecuting the Jews. You know, this complete history historical rewrite, this memory of holding of the fact that it was actually the Jews that persecuted the Catholics for the past 2000 years. No. It gets memory hold because the holocaust religion and it it the holocaust religion isn't a religion. It has infected the church as well. That's part of that's part of what's causing the neo gedidizing is the holocaust religion and the fact that the the Jews have become the, quote, unquote, perpetual victim even though they are actually the perpetual victimizer.
[00:40:10] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
And you and this did not happen. When when you have a a functioning papacy, if you ended some people believe there is no papacy, some people believe it just isn't functioning, but we can all agree is there's I believe there's a papacy and pope Francis is the pope. That's my that's the Catholic belief as far as I'm concerned.
[00:40:27] Patrick Chenal:
Okay. And yes, there are a number of people who who, can And there are plenty of people who will disagree with that, of course. Yes. But there are plenty there are plenty out there too that will agree with it.
[00:40:39] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yeah. Sure. Sure. And that's why I'm just saying we can what we can all agree on is there is no functioning papacy that is actually fighting for the Catholic faith whether they think there is none or it's just, you know, broken. So in either case, we have no functioning papacy. And I I I think people on our own side today don't. Even on people on our own side seem not to realize
[00:41:02] Patrick Chenal:
the the But we don't have our own media.
[00:41:04] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yes. And the the holocaust narrative, pandemic, these would be absolutely impossible. You did not have lies this large in previous times. Sure. There there are always lies, but nothing nothing at the the size of the holocaust narrative or pandemic. It would have been impossible at a time that the pope would simply say, officially, this is a lie. A lie that large would be impossible. So I've noticed that people on our own side seem not to make any connection between the largest lies in all of history and the fact that we do not have a functioning papacy because they're not on at all unrelated. You cannot have the one without the other.
[00:41:52] Host of the Catholic State:
Right. Right. Before before, the the papal states fell and the pope started becoming more timid about talking about the Jewish question. I mean, none of this stuff happened. Like, you know, pope, Benedict the 14th, you know, he talked about the Jewish problem, you know, like in Poland and in Europe or whatever. He was very vocal about it and that was, like, what, late 18th early even early 19th century, but, like, once the papal states fell and, like, everything started, you know, Christendom's got destroyed with the first two world wars. It was just, like, all of a sudden it was just, like, mouths or everybody, they just zipped their mouths and stopped talking about it. And now they're they're they're literally saying the opposite. They're they're literally saying that the the Jews who have victim who have persecuted us Christians for the past 2000 years are are the good guys, and we've been historically the bad guys. And we're the ones that needed change and, you know, need to be ashamed of our past and, you know, like completely betraying the church fathers and doctors and and, like, all the popes from, you know, pope Gregory the, you know, great all the way through the middle ages, you know.
[00:43:07] Patrick Chenal:
That begs the question though, like, what is a Christian at that point? Because Protestantism seems to be on the decline, and with the decline of Protestantism in the past 200 years, it's it seems like it then goes into nationalism, as in racial nationalism, like Hitler preached, like before him there were others in Germany that were preaching the same thing. It's like, how do you divide the spoils of government fairly amongst people in a way that is is seen as just? And and the way they were arguing is for nationalism that the people of the land deserve the spoils of the land. So
[00:43:53] Host of the Catholic State:
Well, like, the church's position is supranational and super nat the natural rule. I mean, you know, father Tim Spanky talks about that a lot. You know? It's like you know? And he wrote he wrote his books, like, in the 19 forties during the the, you know, Nazi regime and stuff like that. He even says it's like, look, it's you know, we're anti Jewish, but we, you know, like, this nationalism is just a it is essentially just a it's it's a an a reactionary form of naturalism. Right? So, I mean, the the the, you know, the the optimal thing would be the the papacy, you know, is sees itself, you know, is supreme again. You know, like, there are a lot of, there are church, saints that say that, like, the the the church will be restored to full glory, before the end times, which is is kind of hard to see right now, but, you know, there are the the that is that is a claim, or, like, that is the the the common claim, right, that the church will be restored to form full glory with a great pope before the end times. And, you know, like and the church is it is like you you mentioned earlier in the episode, it the church is universal. It's always been universal even before, you know, there was any like, in the early church, there was literally no political power because, you know, like, the church was underground in catacombs and, you know Yeah. They were persecuted. There there there are accounts of Saint Alphonsus Liguori in his victories of the martyrs book
[00:45:27] Patrick Chenal:
that in the time up till Diocletian, there were around 8 to 11000000 Christians massacred.
[00:45:36] Host of the Catholic State:
Yep. Yep. Yep. And that's what and that and that and that's probably what's gonna happen again with with the way things are going. But before the end time, before, like, Christ comes, the church will be restored in full glory. And, like, I will say this, don't don't like, any new neo those neo neo Judaizers listening, don't kid yourself. When the, church comes back to full glory, your kind will be anathematized.
[00:46:05] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
So repent and convert, please. Amen. And, you know, you mentioned you mentioned the nationalism issue, And I I wish more people a a lot on our side are really tricked into nationalism. And I wish more people on our side would start saying the word ultramontane again. Now it's it's Yeah. It's not a Catholic word in the sense. Yeah. It's an anti Catholic word, but I wish they would recall because it has been repeatedly used throughout history. For any listeners not knowing ultramontane beyond the mountains, it's referring to beyond the Alps. In other words, they were saying the papacy is trying to control the world from beyond the Alps. And so this is it really is nationalism. This is what they would do in Mexico with the Cristeros. This is what they did when with Napoleon's revolution.
This has been done countless times when it it was nationalism. So it's it's a different word. When people hear nationalism today, they think white nationalism, things like this. But this has been done for centuries. This is one of the timeless things. Even in a certain sense, in Rome, they would say the Christians weren't worshiping the the pagan gods because they had this pantheon. It it would have been okay it would have been considered by okay by the Roman authorities if the Christians had just said, please let our god be our our god be part of the pantheon of the god, so to speak, using the pagan point of view. But they said the problem was that the Christians are refusing to worship the the other gods, and that's displeasing to those other gods. And so they're causing the state problems. And so it it wasn't a sense sort of Roman nationalism. They they got the Christians hated in sort of, a Roman nationalism sense. At that time, the world was not so atheistic, so it was still from a, you know, superstitious, in the sense of paganism, religious point of view.
And now it's more of a secular nationalism point of view because they want to turn people against God in the sense of saying he doesn't even exist. But nationalism really is one of the timeless attacks. Satan sometimes persecutes Christians quite openly and just says, I'm persecuting you for being Christian. But that's not his preference. What he likes to do is make it seem like it's about something else. You're being troll controlled from beyond the mountain. Those foreign Jesuits are controlling your nation. Look. There's this dangerous pandemic, but this church is still open.
He he he wants it to seem like it's mainly this other issue, and it's just almost an afterthought. Oh, well, we we hate control from beyond the mountains. Let's see who that is. Oh, oh, it happens to be the Christians. Oh, let's see. We we don't like people violating the fake pandemic restrictions. Let's see who it is. Oh, it it happens to be the Christians. He he wants it to look like an almost an afterthought that it's Christians being persecuted because that just happens to be who's who's causing the problem, when when really the whole point was to an in invent a fake problem you can call Christians violators on. No. I I've I've heard this phrase
[00:49:11] Patrick Chenal:
in studying Zionism and antisemitism of Christian, Millenarianism, and it revolves around Puritans and Calvinists sorts of people and and this idea of the chosen people or a chosen race and it's almost like well it's a Christian it's the Judeo Christian idea that somehow by being a Christian you're you're a member of the chosen race, so you're saved by grace and you don't have to confess sin. You're the Protestant notion that you're you're basically filth and you'll always be filth, but you, you know, that's that's part of God's plan, so you're, you know, there's no need to repent. It's just a matter of believing in Jesus at that certain point. And then the people who say, well, no, you need to confess your sin end up becoming the bad guys, namely the Catholics Right. In that instance. So it how how do we get across to those people? That's the thing. Because I I I encounter this notion of the racial church in England, like, well, especially among the English, the the the English church is just, what's the word for it? It's it's it's no longer functioning.
It's just there as symbol symbolic of the state, Even though a lot of the things hearken to Catholicism in their their rituals, it's it's just a shell of what it was. It was a looting operation, and it's just a way to justify looting everything and say, well, we know we're the church. What do you mean we stole church property? Right? It's Yeah. It's a means to justify it amongst non non, you know, non followers of Judaism, essentially, because that's who I think are in control of London at the moment is is is the Judaism Judaized force because this Zionism idea, I think, centers in in London and Basel, places like that and Jerusalem to to an extent, but they've got the Jewish state all over the place. But the Catholics have kind of had to capitulate to it. I know around here, we used to have the largest Benedictine monastery in the world in in in Saint Cloud, Minnesota in Collegeville, and then gradually, you know, like Charles Lindbergh senior was educated by Benedictine monks. I don't know if you knew that, but that's that was, in Collegeville, Minnesota.
And gradually, as time's gone on, it's become Judaized to the point where they, in the fifties, they they hired a Jewish architect from the Bauhaus School in Germany to design their church, and it's just this ugly spaceship looking thing that has no relevance to Catholic worship. Whereas as we've gone out of our way to try to to be nice to the Jews, all it's done is they just spit in our face and say, you're a fool for letting us
[00:52:22] Host of the Catholic State:
in. Right? Yes. That's why you gotta do the opposite. That's why and that's that's the whole point of what we're saying here is, like, you know, they Satan corrupts everything. The Jews, you know, you let the Jews in and they'll mess things up. I mean, that's what you're talking about millennialism. That's what they that that that's what that movement was. I mean, they saw you're talking about, like, Jew that sold the Niagara Falls, this new new Israel. That's what they they you know, the the Puritans and the Judaized Protestants, that's what they see it. They see it all as they're they're essentially they're.
These these these neo Judaizers are they're Jews without being circumcised in a sense. Right? And we gotta sense. Right? And we gotta we gotta see them as such instead of just seeing them as, oh, they're still they're they're Christian. Well, no. They're they're Jews with that that haven't been circumcised. You know? And, you know, like, we we gotta start seeing them as that, and we the the niceness needs to go. You know? It's not about being nice. It would be a being a, quote, nice guy. It's about being about being true and about being honest. Right? And we gotta so that's that's the and that's the importance of, you know, not to not to put ourselves on a pedestal here, but that's why we're doing the work we're doing, and we we advocate for others to join us is this what we're doing as far as getting the truth out there, spreading it, even propagandizing it to make it beautiful to others so more people want to consume it. That's what we gotta do as Catholics. Right? That is that is the solution to this. And the door is open to our enemies to convert to the faith. Of course. Of course. That's the greatest thing I think that Catholics have going for them. Otherwise, if you're just a strict little strict racialist,
[00:54:06] Patrick Chenal:
there's no possibility of that of that redemption.
[00:54:09] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
And and that's and that's why we write songs like like Full Bobby Fischer. Full Full Bobby Fischer is the antithesis of saying, if you're a racial Jew, we hope you burn in hell. And, no, it's saying, if you're if you're a Jew, repent. I mean, that's that's really what it is a call to repentance. But repentance, repenting of being in a crime family doesn't mean remembered Jew, say you're Catholic while still defending all the criminals. No, I mean, testify against them. You don't,
[00:54:46] Patrick Chenal:
no, you didn't end, you didn't, you didn't stop being part of the crime family. You want, you want to bring those people in with you as well. You want, and then it's a tough thing because it's a, you know, family's family, and and it you can't change your family, and that's why we have so many disagreements in our families. Like, for instance, COVID that split apart a lot of families, got people really heated and you couldn't see grandma without doing certain stupid measures and all this stuff and at a certain extent, we almost have to tolerate stupidity to an extent. Being a Christian, it's it's terrible, and yes, but as long as it's not sinful, you almost have to go along with that in order to get others to see a bigger picture.
And I see that I see that as a tough cross to bear in a in a way. Like, we had to deal with that humiliation and but we've learned from it. And now What's a humiliation ritual? That's that's the thing also to acknowledge that these humiliations
[00:55:46] Host of the Catholic State:
are humiliation rituals, and those that allow themselves to be humiliated are the ones that are falling for it. So, I mean, it is I I hear what you're saying, but it is a there's a line. There's a I mean, we have to be there we have to tolerate those that are wrong. Obviously, we have to love them and tolerate them anyway, even though they're wrong. But we we still have to preach the truth. We have to be honest about the truth. And if it becomes, throwing,
[00:56:12] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
pearls of swine, then, you know, we move on, dust our sandals and move on. But we have to always be truthful in everything even though we we tolerate those that are wrong. You know? And and, yeah, when Catholic state was saying early and I know exactly what he means. Yeah. When he was saying we have to get away from being nice and what I'm about to say, we're not disagreeing. I know exactly what you mean by this. You know, of course, we need Christian charity, but we don't need we need to get away from the fake nice today, what is called nice today when it's when it's a false charity. This is why I mean, for instance, the song to call sin sin, you know, it's it's all just about any anything the Catholic church calls virtue, admonish the sinner, avoid bad company, calling sin sin, Anything the church very officially calls virtue, spiritual work of mercy, Satan says that's not nice.
And so when people try to be, quote, unquote, nice today, they are there's this complete disconnect from actual Catholic charity and what Satan calls nice. And and it and it's crazy. But I would I would say that even most people today who seem to be truly trying to follow the Catholic faith, it is so Judaized that see they seem not to realize they are following Satan's definition of nice. And it's truly a case of control the language to control the thought, where it seems to be at the level of a fish doesn't know it's wet, like, where where they really seem not to realize they're doing it. And so they will blatantly they will state blatant Judaization, modernism, and they seem to think they're speaking of the Catholic faith, that they all in the name of, well, I'm Catholic, so I should be nice, so I should say, insert Judaization here. Yeah.
[00:58:04] Patrick Chenal:
Well, you 2, I I I don't wanna keep you too much longer. There's so many things that we could cover. I hope we can get back together and and talk more about this because, Catholic men talking to get together like this, I think we need more of it. We need we need men who who can talk and and also pray and work together
[00:58:24] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Amen. For a greater community. Amen.
[00:58:27] Patrick Chenal:
So thank you very much, for for being with me here. You're welcome. This is Patrick Chanel, and we've had Catholic State on here and his podcast partner. You can check them out. Where where shall we find your work?
[00:58:41] Host of the Catholic State:
Christ the King dot info.
[00:58:43] Patrick Chenal:
Okay. Sounds good. So I'd like to thank everybody, and God bless you, and and merry keep you. Thank you. You too. You too, Patrick. Have a good one. You have a good one. God bless you. Yep. God bless you. Bye.
So shall we start? I'm ready. Yes. Alright. Good. Okay. So it's Sunday, December 15, 2024, and, my name is Patrick Chanel. I am hosting Catholic State and his podcast partner here. They do a podcast called the Catholic State Podcast, and I really enjoy what listening to them talk and and the subjects and topics that they come up with. And, also, I the where I found them was originally in the e Michael Jones's Telegram channel, and Catholic State has a lot of these clever AI songs that he does with, themes typically about, the relations between Catholics and Jews, and I just they're clever. They make me laugh.
I really like them. When I when I first heard them, I was just like, this is too much. I gotta try this. So I I tried the the suno dotai and made a few of my own. I took some songs that I'd written previous and put it into it, and it's just so clever. It's so neat, and I I wanted to bring them on to talk to everybody. And this is my 3rd episode of, the Radio Windmiller series that I'm doing of broadcasts, and so welcome to the show, Catholic state and podcast partner. Thank you. Well, thank you, Patrick. Yeah.
I was just talking with your podcast partner, Catholic State, about the weather. It's it gets cold up here in Wisconsin. We get ice fishing and and Thanks for having us here. Oh, you're definitely welcome. I I appreciate it. So tell me a little bit about yourselves. How did you get into this mess of, podcasting?
[00:01:46] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
So the podcasting, the music, or the podcasting? Well, both. Both.
[00:01:50] Patrick Chenal:
Which came first, the podcast or the well, I think we lost oh, there we go. Which came first, the podcast or the I cannot hear you, Patrick. You can't hear me? Did you disconnect or am I Nope. It's probably your connection. We might have to start over or just cut this out, but, either way, technical difficulties.
[00:02:11] Host of the Catholic State:
Let's say that's the name Oh, you can't hear him either, podcast partner?
[00:02:15] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
I can I can hear I can hear both of you?
[00:02:18] Host of the Catholic State:
Okay.
[00:02:21] Patrick Chenal:
Okay. So I don't know what we're gonna do to rectify it. Is there a way you both could use the same computer?
[00:02:33] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
I don't know. Because when when we when we record our podcast see, I don't really know what the tech setup is since it's not my computer. Because when we record the podcast, we're just, like, you know, 5 feet away from each other looking at each other. But I don't know I don't know the whole setup, so I don't know why that wouldn't work here. I mean, I just have no idea what the setup is, so that would be That's okay. Yeah. Just like he was saying, he's the techie of the family. He's the more he's the more technical person. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:03:07] Patrick Chenal:
That's alright. There he is again. Can you hear us?
[00:03:11] Host of the Catholic State:
Yeah. Yeah. I can hear you now. Like, you I I your connection dropped that. Patrick, I'm sorry. No. That's okay.
[00:03:19] Patrick Chenal:
Yeah. No. No. Your your podcast partner could hear me. I'd and but you couldn't hear me, and I I think you could hear could you hear him? Yeah. Yeah. I could hear him fine. Oh, okay. Odd. Very odd. I maybe if if if it just keeps continuing like this, we could switch to Telegram or Skype or some other place. It wouldn't matter to me. I think I might even have a StreamYard account set up somewhere that I could could do this, but, if it's going well now, let's just continue. So I I was asking, how did how what came first, the podcast or the music?
[00:03:55] Host of the Catholic State:
The music. The music. Music. Well, the first thing that came first was the website. Like, I've been writing articles for a couple years now. My podcast partner, he you know, he's he's he's been in my life for a little while. So he's he's always been helpful for me. But, yeah, then, like, he's always had some good ideas. And so, like, the podcast was just, you know, me me and him having these these thoughts and these conversations with each other, and then me wanting to give the podcast was one me wanting to give us a platform for these ideas that may you know, just to be humble and honest about it. Mainly, my podcast partner here has, kind of come up with and, like, a lot of the things that, like, won't fit article form because they need to be discussed.
And so it's like, you know, we we created the podcast so we can discuss these ideas that, like I said, mainly come from him, some come from me too. I I wanted to give him more of a platform too though. And then the music thing happened, earlier this year around, it was Good Friday. Our friend, a friend we had, he created this first this song, I forget what it's called now, but it's, I was like, oh, it's it was bluegrass. Let me I called it Jewgrass, and that's where Jewgrass got started. Yeah. We've been doing that since. Yeah. Was it every single time that the father of Jewgrass made? Every single time, that's the song. Yeah. So if you look it's on YouTube.
Look up every single time, and you'll you'll find the song.
[00:05:31] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yeah. And it's it's it's funny when I so the father of Jewgrass made every single time we we like to call him father of Jewgrass. And then, a couple of people started making making songs also. And, then I was I was listening to them, and, you know, obviously, I I thought some of them were were funny and whatnot. And, then I was I was giving ideas and and throwing stuff out. But I I the way people were talking about it first, I think it was almost just like just as if it's just a lark, as if it's just this silly thing.
And then I think we kind of started realizing like, wait a minute, this can really be something. Like this can really be a game changer in constructing a parallel Catholic culture, at least at least one front of it, the music front, where there has truly been a change where you couldn't have a few guys before who kinda start making a genre and start making legitimate inroads just with those few guys of truly kinda starting a kind of a genre, like Catholic action and social reign of Christ, the king, and and things like that. And we kinda realized, like, well, wait a minute. The situation has so changed so much. A few guys can do that, and we can really make we can really do something and fairly quickly you know, it's been less than a year, and there are almost a 160 songs now. I think it's with not even that many people writing them.
[00:07:10] Patrick Chenal:
No. Well, that's just it. You can write a song. You can write the lyrics, basically, is what you're doing, and you're putting it into a program that's already programmed to do the bluegrass style of music. And you can choose any style for that matter, but the it there's just something to the style of bluegrass and the lyrics that go together quite well because of the history of bluegrass being a religious mix of kind of like folkish tales of woe and tales of, people just everyday life is particularly in the South, which it's it's quite something. And then you have imitators now all of a sudden, which is good. You you got this, Irishman that lives in England, Sean Naughton that, does does the the, what song was that that he broke out with about the, Talmud?
No. No. That was your song. I I remember 2 2 of your songs really stood out to me. It was, have you heard of the Talmud? That was that was one that was written by the Jews. Yeah. Contained several blasphemies. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one, and I like the Bobby Fischer song.
[00:08:21] Host of the Catholic State:
Bobby Fischer was a Jew.
[00:08:24] Patrick Chenal:
It's just so it's so clever and so catchy.
[00:08:28] Host of the Catholic State:
It's audio propaganda. That's what it's supposed to be. I mean, like and that's the way people we like like, in our music podcast episode we just released the other day, we we want people to see it as it's like, we're not trying to make high art here. We're not trying to, like, paint the Mona Lisa. Right? You know? Like, if you want some high art, you know, music, go to mass. Listen listen to, like, Mozart's, Ave Verum Corpus or something. Right? We're trying to, you know, motivate Catholics and create, like like my podcast partners say, a a a parallel Catholic culture to compete with the Judeo Free Masonic culture. Right? And we're also trying to you know, it's propaganda, and I don't mean propaganda in the potty mouth way that people use it these days. I mean propaganda in the traditional sense of, like, you create something that's catchy or beautiful or something that it appeals to the central appetites in order to
[00:09:26] Patrick Chenal:
actually push truth, not push lies. The topic too. And that for that matter, that doesn't get enough political,
[00:09:34] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
media attention in the Yeah. Because if media. If you look at at what the Jews do and Catholic state have discussed and I have discussed this privately and I guess on the show. So we have the exact same point of view. But, if you look at what the Jews do, how are they winning the culture war? They're not winning the culture war by saying, listen, everyone. We want you to think this disgusting thing. So here, go home and do your homework and listen to this thing you don't even wanna hear. No. They make it so that it's aesthetic and catchy. They make it so that it's so aesthetic and so catchy that even someone who hates their point of view because they know it's sinful and dishonest, they're still tempted to consume the Jewish media.
Whereas our side mainly has things that I mean, no, there's a lot of sacred church music that's beautiful and things like that. But I mean, on the popular front, we we really don't have this entire culture of music, videos, news, consisting of things people want to listen to. They're not not that they just would as homework because they think it's good for them, but they want to listen to it. We need people to be tempted, so to speak, to do good. We we need to just take it as as a given. Like, well, human humans are weak. We're we're not just going to logically decide this is good for me, so I will put it in me. We're we're going to listen most people are going to listen to something because it's catchy, because they like it. So the thing they listen to simply because they like it needs to be healthy. And so that's that's been our point of view where it's not just a lot of people on our side are just getting sort of half of it right. They're saying, well, there needs to be a positive message.
Well but how much good did it do if no one wants to sit around and hear it? So it has to be a message that people actually want to hear. And that's true on the music front, but that would be if someone else starts making news or starts making videos or doing Catholic comedy or or something like that. This would be true for anything whatsoever. The the big thing, I think, is it can't be homework. You have to want to watch.
[00:11:57] Patrick Chenal:
Yeah. And you also have to have a desire to to propagate it. That and that's kind of what the whole Edward Bernays, idea of propaganda was. He was taking it I think if you read his book on propaganda, he was he was actually trying to take what the Vatican was doing with the propaganda ministry and secularize it or Judaize it and use it for their purposes rather than the church's purposes. He, like, explicitly in his foreword to propaganda mentions the the the, office of propaganda at the Vatican and how much inroads they were able to make into cultures, especially tribal cultures and missionaries. It's it's quite something because you you do. You to this day, we have Netflix, and that that takes up a lot of people's time, their leisure time when they're between working and sleeping and all the family stuff that people do.
[00:12:57] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
That's interesting. I've actually read his book, but it's it's been a few years. And I who knows? Maybe I maybe I skipped the foreword. I that's quite possible. Maybe I just never read that. I I did not realize. I'm really curious now. I want to look that up because I either skipped the forward and never saw it, or I'm just for I just forgot that was ever there. That's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense to me. I mean, like, you know what I mean? He took his uncle uncle Singh's,
[00:13:21] Host of the Catholic State:
stuff, you know, as far as brain, new what is it? Psychoanalysis, which is it is essentially brainwashing people and mixed it with, you know, propaganda and came up with a I I mean, that's what the that's what the Jews do. They take everything and turn it upside down, so it it it makes a lot of sense to me. Well and it's clever in the way that it's done because it sparks the imagination,
[00:13:47] Patrick Chenal:
and they it's like, Hollywood is set up that way. The music industry is set up that way where you're and and that's probably why they have such political clout because it's an Aristotle and idea that, you know, whatever you contemplate as a group is is politics. That's the definition of politics in its crude metaphysical sense. So if you can get a group of people to be contemplating the same thing at the same time, you have real power, political power, that and you can motivate. You know, you don't even need an army at a certain point at that point because it's a it's a peaceful way to to accomplish your goal, whatever that is. And they've they've done that quite well with their whole Zionist project.
It sparked the imagination of people. Like, oh, there's an exodus. It's a new exodus just like in the Bible. And everybody, you know, even Christians read the Old Testament story of Moses and the people of Israel fleeing Egypt and the pharaoh. And it it you think about it, like Cecil w DeMille made the movie The 10 Commandments, and it just sparks a lot of thought.
[00:14:52] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yes. And even even in Catholic history, you have things like Saint Bernard preaching the crusades. So we have a lot of people today when they have sort of, oh, let's let's fight back. And, of course, we should fight back. But a lot of people today when they mean it in a physical war sense, we're we're just not there. And I think and I know you know you didn't mean that. But, so you mentioning the army just kind of reminded me to go in this direction. You know, we're not really we're not good guy Napoleon. We're good guy Pam flotiers, is how I sometimes say it. And and, you can't sometimes today when people want to have, like, war fantasies, I think everyone knows our side isn't there.
And, you know, even in Catholic history, you don't first have a crusade. You first preach the crusade. And yeah, that that's true on the Catholic side, on the on the Jew Masonic side. You don't first have a Napoleon. You first have a Martin Luther and the pamphleteers. It's it's really you you first have Romanovs. Yeah. Yeah. So you you have to set the stage. And that's that's true for the good, and that's also true for the evil. And especially, we're kind of in remnant seed form. So we have to we have to plant the seed. Right.
[00:16:20] Host of the Catholic State:
Yeah. Yeah. Culture before culture wars before political wars before actual war. Right? I mean, we gotta we gotta like, right now, we're just our our we're dying in the culture wars. We're just completely dying. And we we have no we have no political power, let alone military power. Right? So we gotta we gotta win the culture wars before we win the subsequent wars that come after it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, go ahead.
[00:16:45] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Well, this is this is why I think Catholic State and I are both interested in learning. There seems to be a kind of a doctrinal vacuum on Catholic music, outside sacred music. But if possible, if there if there are things we don't know, I am interested in learning a Catholic line where most most people like our music. Most Catholics like our music. But there are some who would say, you know, that's something with more of a rockish feel like like pansy man is, well, no, that sounds kind of rockish. And I would say, well, I think it's like well, it's that's rockish, and it speaks rhythmically to the body. And I would say, well, so do wardrobes. And pansy man, you know, your daddy hoped one day you'd grown to a man. Instead, you bowed his gum and throw your courage in the can. It's supposed to people. It's like Catholic war drum. To me, that's what a song of pansy man it's it's like Catholic war drums.
And and, I don't want to give up. War drums have never been called sinful as long as it's a just war. Only the war could be sinful if unjust. But war drums in a just war are not sinful, and we're in a just war. So I am wondering if Catholics have been tricked into giving up important tools. And that's why when the some when some people do say and, again, it's the minority. But when some people do say, no. I think this is simple. It has a rocket shell limit. I don't just say, oh, well, someone said it's a problem. I'll I'll just agree that it's a problem. Even when they're saying something not true. Their their their their point will roughly be that it's inherently sinful to speak rhythmically to the body, not melodically to the intellect, but that's not true. And the reason I wouldn't just say, well, you know, I'll just obey it anyway in case it's true is because it's not as if it's neutral.
If we are giving up war drums, then we're giving up future war. And it's a just war. And I'm not willing to give up war drums to lose the war if there is no actual principle that says you can't use the war drums. And so that's why we are we are interested in having these conversations with people where they'll say, well, I think it's a problem in this way. But this is why we will say to them, if you claim there is an actual problem, you must really state the problem, and you must have evidence because we are giving very important reasons that we are doing this, and we think it is fine.
So for the minority who think there is some problem, we're sort of more saying, well, we'll actually make your case. They they'd have to really prove there's an issue there. We wouldn't just obey it because it it truly would be giving up something powerful, and we're not going to do that unless there's a real Catholic point there. I I remember
[00:19:20] Patrick Chenal:
back in the day, I went to Magdalene College for a little bit of, you know, introduction to what they were doing out there. It was run by the military archdiocese in Concord, New Hampshire. And I remember one course that they were giving was talking about music and its effect on people and peoples. And they they would play different types of soothing music, and then they would play, like like you you were just mentioning, war drum music. And it's like, what does this make you feel like? And it's like, well, that makes me feel like I wanna go out and march and go do something. You know? Go go go take some land you know, seize some land from some invaders or something. You know?
It and it does. It it it it evokes emotion, and it gets people, to to act in in a certain regard, just like, you know, popular music does. It makes you wanna go out and dance and go to the club or whatever it is. That's Right. And that and that's the coal culture war that that we're talking about. And Right. People like E. Michael Jones have have a very interesting role in that because they're he's so prolific. I remember the first book that I read by him was Dionysus Rising, which relates directly to music. Have you read that yet before? Because it's a it goes into the history of music from the from the beginning and then up until Altamont rock concert with the Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys and the the drummer of the Beach Boys drowning drunk and all this kind of stuff. And just how the music changed, You had you had submerged he didn't he this was before his Jewish revolutionary spirit book came out, and it was more or less, talking about the the culture war, the culture camp, as it's called, in, from Bismarck's time in, what is it, 1850s, around the revolutionary time, where they basically went in and said Catholics can't be teaching children Catholicism.
They have to go to government schools and socialize with the Jews and the Protestants, and there's no real way to continue on teaching about a Catholic state that's somehow superior to the others. And and it gradually came to be that the Papal States lost, their their territory to the point where the pope became a a prisoner of the Vatican with Pope Pius the the ninth, where he he had to cede all of his land and he was beholden to Rothchild loans for militaries that, didn't benefit the the pope. It ended up benefiting the gradual Jewish state that arose out of the Republic of Italy.
So there's a point where there was a Catholic state, and then and then it diminished. And now it's, you know, the Pope the Pope claims that now his his role has become more universal than it was before having that territory, but I I just wonder how how it's changed, and is it for the better? Or is it is it is it possible to return to some sort of Catholic state that's ruled with the harmony of church and state? What do you think?
[00:22:40] Host of the Catholic State:
It's definitely, change for the worse, and, ideally, we would return to the Catholic state. Yeah. I mean, I think that's to us, that's obvious. Yeah. It's I mean, you know, like, ever since, the Vatican fell or not the Vatican, but the people states fell, like, yeah, it was that was that was a bad thing. And, you know, it was ever since then, it's been just a series of compromises with the world. Even before Vatican 2, there was a lot of, you know, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna just, drag these popes to the mud, but there was a lot of compromises. There's been a lot of, you know, you know, a lot of bad compromises of the world. Like, even the the talk, the stuff about the Jews has started becoming the the church started becoming hush-hush about it before Vatican 2. And then, like, you know, you've got, you know, things like the compromises compromises of the Mexico, compromises, you know, with the the revolution, you know, French revolution and and Chris and all this stuff. So and that's that's been kind of a a problem since. It's it's a it's a constant compromise with the world, and it's led to where we're at right now, which is is complete it's a complete mess in the church. It's complete confusion.
It's it's not only compromised with the world anymore, but people are at the world is actually is actually come into the church, at least what's the what the visible recognizable church is, and it's it doesn't even appear to be the same religion. I mean, it's the counter church. I mean, people some people are naive and deny that the counter church is a thing, but it's it's clear that it it's it's a thing because it's yeah. Yeah.
[00:24:22] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
I'll I'll let my podcast partner take it from here. I don't I don't wanna rant too much. Well, yeah, the the Catholic position. So is it a good thing or a bad thing that people states were lost? Now it is the Catholic position that the divine divine providence gave the Catholic states as a way for the papacy to maintain its independence. So the pope ruled the papal states even in a secular sense. So it's not the Catholic position that a pope should be world emperor. The papal states are sort of an exception where it is there is a valid reason for the papacy to have a certain amount of of land and property and and a government and a state where, the the pope is is head of that even in a temporal secular sense as was the case with the people states, in order to have independence in order to have independence. And and I think we can see how important that was in what Catholic state was just talking about.
What what happens when you lose that, there there is there is a definite difference. And I I think, for instance, there there could be a difference even in in Pope Leo 13 saying, shine the light. He was saying, shine the light more on Masons, where I think that's probably that could easily be the the sort of gun to the head version where previous popes would have said shine the light on Jews. And Leo 13, he was still saying on Masonry, and perhaps people already knew about Jews, but but not masonry. But you wonder you wonder what was going on behind the scenes to make that change. But there had there's been I mean I mean, they yeah. There was there was sort of a gun to the head. For all we know, they were so infiltrated, and it was just impossible. For all we know, they tried to get out a document that said Jew, and the power is you know, that one's just tossed aside and burned. And and the only one they we have no idea. We have no idea what was going on.
But one way or another, the equivalent document 200 years earlier
[00:26:38] Patrick Chenal:
would have said Jew. That that's just that's just where we're going to say that. Freemason, which freemason to me is kind of the whole Judeo Christian, Zionist type mentality of, socialism in in the sense that I I had mentioned this on your Telegram page that I think socialism was essentially freemasonry which meant you a freemason being, a mason that wasn't bound to serve any particular church at the time in Europe Right. Which would have been basically, turncoat Catholics, apostate Catholics, or Protestants for that matter, that would say, well, you know, the traditional traditional teaching of the church was that a Jew was not allowed to have Christian servants.
Well, it was a reversal of that in saying, I'm a I'm a Christian. I'm willing to serve Jews. I'm willing to work for the Jews and socialize with them. And the Freemasons offered that opportunity as a social club where they could where Christians and Jews could mingle and and Muslims in the Ottoman Empire could mingle together and they had more or less the stronger of the 3 at that point then becomes the Jew in that relationship because of the hatred of Christ and the inability of the Christian to make converts in that setting because of the the oaths that they would take and and the oaths to secrecy in conspiring.
I I've found it interesting. Last night, I was reading from I've got a set of books on the Encyclopedia Britannica from 1910 and the article on Zionism, and there was a, a character in there that I found really interesting. His name was Mordecai Emmanuel Noah. And what hap what happened, he was he he was an early Zionist, and he was gonna set up, you know, how the the Zionists want wanted to like with Herzl they wanted to go to Palestine. They wanted all the Jews to return to Palestine and start a Jewish state there. Mhmm. He had the notion of setting up Grand Island by Niagara Falls as the homeland for the Jews and he used the Freemasons as a means of doing it and not only that the Native Americans he had this notion that the Native Americans, amongst the Native Americans were the lost tribes of Israel and that they were going to be a part of it as well. And he he was let's see. He was born in 17/85 and died in 18/51.
It's quite you know, it's the beginning of the American the American government in the revolution. He was he was right there at that time, and it was it's it's interesting. And then later, I I about that Grand Island idea where it fell through, and then he started focusing on Palestine and sending, you know they had an excess of Jews in New York, and so they're they're using that as an excuse to send them to Palestine, that there are too many Jews coming to New York, New York City. So let's let's create a fund and a trust to finance them going and taking the Holy Land back.
[00:30:10] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Do you guys each have a few bucks? Because we have that same excess in New York today. Maybe we can get that back.
[00:30:15] Patrick Chenal:
Well, no. I'm I'm thinking about that. New York City?
[00:30:19] Host of the Catholic State:
Why don't why don't Catholics have that same kind of scheming mentality that we're gonna start our own state again or, you know, take take back the holy land, the crusader notion? It's just not We we don't. We we have a loser mentality. That's that's kind of the I mean, that's kind of the big focus of our podcast really is is just you know? And I mean, I I'm not trying to sound uncharitable here, but it just it really is just we have a loser, self defeating, you know, let's shoot ourselves in the foot. Or if if not shoot ourselves in the foot, let's turn our guns. You know, we call it the t suede. Right? Let's turn our guns against each other and shoot each other type of mentality. We don't we don't think of we don't think you know, the demons are good at collaborating with each they hate each other, but they're good with collaborating with each other to to to hurt us. But we can't collaborate with each other just to just to, you know, get our church
[00:31:13] Patrick Chenal:
Yeah. There's too much infighting. And and you know you know what, though? It that it, you're right. There, and it's done on purpose to get Catholics not to have any sort of unity and when, when we should have unity in the Church. The Church is perfect. It's a perfect organization, and there's no need to reform it. It's already there. It exists. But are we a part of it? That's the question you have to ask. And they get us fighting about this, you know, the traditionalist versus the they call it the Novus Ordo. Just it's to me, that's an insult when you start using language like that. Novus Ordo and the way people say it. It's just it's like, can't we just be Catholics?
Well, the problem is is Can we challenge the people that have taken over the the clergy? And I mean, we have to import we have to import clergy now. Because, you know, you have rabbis at the seminary's teaching and and and this sort of thing in America. It's just nobody wants to be in that environment. So Yeah. You import more traditionally minded or at least not exposed to the the cultural rot of the West, these priests typically from Africa and India that come here. But then they get exposed here, and then they go back, you know, they get exposed to the whole, you know, Jewish, Jew, Judaized Catholic thing, and then they go back to the India. And you can just imagine what's happening there too at the same time. The the Judaization
[00:32:38] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
is so bad now that it is not recognized as Judaization. And this this relates when you were talking about the relations between all the different groups, I would say roughly at a at a bigger picture theological level since God is good and even his opponents realistically know it. And God is timeless, and God God is honest, and God will say, I am God. But Satan knows he's disgusting. Satan doesn't really think, yes. Yes. I'm I'm actually good. He knows he's disgusting. And Satan can't say, I am Satan. It's only very a very small percentage of truly psychotic satanists to whom he can say, I am Satan. You you know, kill for me or some something like that. So he pretty much says he he transforms into an angel of light. He says, oh, I'm holy. And so Satan is forever having to change his stripes.
And so one of the biggest relations of all these groups is simply the fact that the Catholic church can just say, we are the timeless Catholic church. It it always wants to say the same, whereas Satan constantly has to set up communist, socialist, neo everything, theosophy. It's you you know, you just have these countless
[00:33:58] Patrick Chenal:
different groups that are, Ayn Rand's objective. You you know, we could we could just sit here and Ayn Rand literally 100. It reminds me of Mark Twain in his letter from Vienna when he's talking about the way the Jews were being persecuted in Vienna at the time in the 1890s. He was saying that Satan is basically the most victimized entity on Earth for the reputation that he has and the amount of material against him without any any sort of, ability of him to have a response to it. It's just, you know, trying to make a a mockery. You know you know, Mark Twain was. He just twists things to make it entertaining and funny. But,
[00:34:38] Host of the Catholic State:
yeah. God God is a creator. Satan is a corruptor. That's all Satan knows how to do is corrupt. And I mean and that's the problem we're facing today. He's been corrupting everything outside the church for the longest time. And then, you know, when the smoke of Satan entered the church, when modernism came, you know, in the in the to or late 8 19th early 20th century after the papal states though and everything when modernism started infecting the church, that became the biggest problem because now, you know, modernism has has is evolving into Neo Judaizing now. I mean, this is really this is the fruit of modernism really is coming out, this Neo Judaizing, and I really and I I think it's the most pernicious thing just because this neo Judaizing that's happening in in the church now is actually going to lead the lead to people calling themselves Catholics, and I'm using quotes right now. They're not actually Catholics. Calling themselves Catholics, you know, these quote, unquote Catholic Zionists or whatever, they're going to actually help bring in the antichrist.
They're actually helping bring forth the antichrist and helping, this false state of Israel, come to power, and they're going to help build the re or the 3rd rebuild the 3rd temple, which will be the seat of the antichrist. They will be the helpers of the the synagogue of Satan, the enemies of god, and that's why this is what's happening. This false church, this neo Judaizer church is is the most pernicious thing Satan has done because these people,
[00:36:19] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
are actually helping the enemies of God and calling themselves Catholic at the same time. And and I I Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I I think one one thing I see with the the neo geo deicing, Catholic state has talked about the Noahide laws. One thing in particular I have seen with the Noahide laws. So they let's look at a few things they say in isolation and just put them together and see what they likely mean. So one, they say that each Jew individually in the Jewish community itself is God, is literally God. They they say all this, bizarre stuff.
Pride is the root of all vice, and it's truly hard to imagine a more prideful face to be than that than I I am literally saying you're literally saying they're god. So if but they also say that blasphemy should get the death penalty. Now what does it mean if blasphemy should get you have these Shabad Lubavitch people saying this. What does it mean if blasphemy should get the death penalty and you are calling yourself literally god? You would be saying if one person speaks one word against you, they have earned the death penalty. So I I believe on that front, look at what they do with calling everyone anti shlemmitic. What do they want on that front? They want to create a world. Now I'm not saying they'll get it. Not evil people don't always get what they want, but I absolutely believe this is what they will try for. They will want to try for a world where it's a 100 times what we see today where they just call you hate speech incarnate.
But where they would one word against them. They they sacrificed someone else. They they molested they did another usury crime. One word against it. And it will be claimed you literally blasphemed god, and you are subject to the death penalty. That that is what they want. And they want a situation where it is this umbrella religion, all religions within one religion. They they want that. They want multiple religions so they can all fight each other because they want their Galilean dialectic with religion as well. But but it'll say, well, any reasonable religion, which will mean following the Noahide laws, which will which will be conflated with nice. Well, yes. Yes. Yes. But any reasonable religion, which means nice, which means obey the Noahide laws. And you will have you will have people who identify as Catholic.
You will have people who identify as Catholic fighting for the antichrist, fighting for the Jews, not in the name of ant the antichrist. They will do it in the name of the Catholic faith, and they will say it's what you must do if you're we we already have the the beginning seeds of this today. You have people when people criticize us in our podcast, they don't say I'm Judaizing. I say I'm on the Jewish side. They will say I'm Catholic. Therefore, I'm nice. Therefore, you can't talk about the it's this weird they they use this fake nice term as the middleman.
I'm Catholic. Therefore, I'm nice. Therefore, side with the Jews. I'm Catholic. Therefore, I'm nice. Therefore, we have to go along with Jewish evil. Yeah. Well
[00:39:29] Host of the Catholic State:
and and they'll say things like the all the the Catholic church teaching before Vatican 2, it was like, those those mean old Catholics, they they they were persecuting the Jews. You know, this complete history historical rewrite, this memory of holding of the fact that it was actually the Jews that persecuted the Catholics for the past 2000 years. No. It gets memory hold because the holocaust religion and it it the holocaust religion isn't a religion. It has infected the church as well. That's part of that's part of what's causing the neo gedidizing is the holocaust religion and the fact that the the Jews have become the, quote, unquote, perpetual victim even though they are actually the perpetual victimizer.
[00:40:10] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
And you and this did not happen. When when you have a a functioning papacy, if you ended some people believe there is no papacy, some people believe it just isn't functioning, but we can all agree is there's I believe there's a papacy and pope Francis is the pope. That's my that's the Catholic belief as far as I'm concerned.
[00:40:27] Patrick Chenal:
Okay. And yes, there are a number of people who who, can And there are plenty of people who will disagree with that, of course. Yes. But there are plenty there are plenty out there too that will agree with it.
[00:40:39] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yeah. Sure. Sure. And that's why I'm just saying we can what we can all agree on is there is no functioning papacy that is actually fighting for the Catholic faith whether they think there is none or it's just, you know, broken. So in either case, we have no functioning papacy. And I I I think people on our own side today don't. Even on people on our own side seem not to realize
[00:41:02] Patrick Chenal:
the the But we don't have our own media.
[00:41:04] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Yes. And the the holocaust narrative, pandemic, these would be absolutely impossible. You did not have lies this large in previous times. Sure. There there are always lies, but nothing nothing at the the size of the holocaust narrative or pandemic. It would have been impossible at a time that the pope would simply say, officially, this is a lie. A lie that large would be impossible. So I've noticed that people on our own side seem not to make any connection between the largest lies in all of history and the fact that we do not have a functioning papacy because they're not on at all unrelated. You cannot have the one without the other.
[00:41:52] Host of the Catholic State:
Right. Right. Before before, the the papal states fell and the pope started becoming more timid about talking about the Jewish question. I mean, none of this stuff happened. Like, you know, pope, Benedict the 14th, you know, he talked about the Jewish problem, you know, like in Poland and in Europe or whatever. He was very vocal about it and that was, like, what, late 18th early even early 19th century, but, like, once the papal states fell and, like, everything started, you know, Christendom's got destroyed with the first two world wars. It was just, like, all of a sudden it was just, like, mouths or everybody, they just zipped their mouths and stopped talking about it. And now they're they're they're literally saying the opposite. They're they're literally saying that the the Jews who have victim who have persecuted us Christians for the past 2000 years are are the good guys, and we've been historically the bad guys. And we're the ones that needed change and, you know, need to be ashamed of our past and, you know, like completely betraying the church fathers and doctors and and, like, all the popes from, you know, pope Gregory the, you know, great all the way through the middle ages, you know.
[00:43:07] Patrick Chenal:
That begs the question though, like, what is a Christian at that point? Because Protestantism seems to be on the decline, and with the decline of Protestantism in the past 200 years, it's it seems like it then goes into nationalism, as in racial nationalism, like Hitler preached, like before him there were others in Germany that were preaching the same thing. It's like, how do you divide the spoils of government fairly amongst people in a way that is is seen as just? And and the way they were arguing is for nationalism that the people of the land deserve the spoils of the land. So
[00:43:53] Host of the Catholic State:
Well, like, the church's position is supranational and super nat the natural rule. I mean, you know, father Tim Spanky talks about that a lot. You know? It's like you know? And he wrote he wrote his books, like, in the 19 forties during the the, you know, Nazi regime and stuff like that. He even says it's like, look, it's you know, we're anti Jewish, but we, you know, like, this nationalism is just a it is essentially just a it's it's a an a reactionary form of naturalism. Right? So, I mean, the the the, you know, the the optimal thing would be the the papacy, you know, is sees itself, you know, is supreme again. You know, like, there are a lot of, there are church, saints that say that, like, the the the church will be restored to full glory, before the end times, which is is kind of hard to see right now, but, you know, there are the the that is that is a claim, or, like, that is the the the common claim, right, that the church will be restored to form full glory with a great pope before the end times. And, you know, like and the church is it is like you you mentioned earlier in the episode, it the church is universal. It's always been universal even before, you know, there was any like, in the early church, there was literally no political power because, you know, like, the church was underground in catacombs and, you know Yeah. They were persecuted. There there there are accounts of Saint Alphonsus Liguori in his victories of the martyrs book
[00:45:27] Patrick Chenal:
that in the time up till Diocletian, there were around 8 to 11000000 Christians massacred.
[00:45:36] Host of the Catholic State:
Yep. Yep. Yep. And that's what and that and that and that's probably what's gonna happen again with with the way things are going. But before the end time, before, like, Christ comes, the church will be restored in full glory. And, like, I will say this, don't don't like, any new neo those neo neo Judaizers listening, don't kid yourself. When the, church comes back to full glory, your kind will be anathematized.
[00:46:05] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
So repent and convert, please. Amen. And, you know, you mentioned you mentioned the nationalism issue, And I I wish more people a a lot on our side are really tricked into nationalism. And I wish more people on our side would start saying the word ultramontane again. Now it's it's Yeah. It's not a Catholic word in the sense. Yeah. It's an anti Catholic word, but I wish they would recall because it has been repeatedly used throughout history. For any listeners not knowing ultramontane beyond the mountains, it's referring to beyond the Alps. In other words, they were saying the papacy is trying to control the world from beyond the Alps. And so this is it really is nationalism. This is what they would do in Mexico with the Cristeros. This is what they did when with Napoleon's revolution.
This has been done countless times when it it was nationalism. So it's it's a different word. When people hear nationalism today, they think white nationalism, things like this. But this has been done for centuries. This is one of the timeless things. Even in a certain sense, in Rome, they would say the Christians weren't worshiping the the pagan gods because they had this pantheon. It it would have been okay it would have been considered by okay by the Roman authorities if the Christians had just said, please let our god be our our god be part of the pantheon of the god, so to speak, using the pagan point of view. But they said the problem was that the Christians are refusing to worship the the other gods, and that's displeasing to those other gods. And so they're causing the state problems. And so it it wasn't a sense sort of Roman nationalism. They they got the Christians hated in sort of, a Roman nationalism sense. At that time, the world was not so atheistic, so it was still from a, you know, superstitious, in the sense of paganism, religious point of view.
And now it's more of a secular nationalism point of view because they want to turn people against God in the sense of saying he doesn't even exist. But nationalism really is one of the timeless attacks. Satan sometimes persecutes Christians quite openly and just says, I'm persecuting you for being Christian. But that's not his preference. What he likes to do is make it seem like it's about something else. You're being troll controlled from beyond the mountain. Those foreign Jesuits are controlling your nation. Look. There's this dangerous pandemic, but this church is still open.
He he he wants it to seem like it's mainly this other issue, and it's just almost an afterthought. Oh, well, we we hate control from beyond the mountains. Let's see who that is. Oh, oh, it happens to be the Christians. Oh, let's see. We we don't like people violating the fake pandemic restrictions. Let's see who it is. Oh, it it happens to be the Christians. He he wants it to look like an almost an afterthought that it's Christians being persecuted because that just happens to be who's who's causing the problem, when when really the whole point was to an in invent a fake problem you can call Christians violators on. No. I I've I've heard this phrase
[00:49:11] Patrick Chenal:
in studying Zionism and antisemitism of Christian, Millenarianism, and it revolves around Puritans and Calvinists sorts of people and and this idea of the chosen people or a chosen race and it's almost like well it's a Christian it's the Judeo Christian idea that somehow by being a Christian you're you're a member of the chosen race, so you're saved by grace and you don't have to confess sin. You're the Protestant notion that you're you're basically filth and you'll always be filth, but you, you know, that's that's part of God's plan, so you're, you know, there's no need to repent. It's just a matter of believing in Jesus at that certain point. And then the people who say, well, no, you need to confess your sin end up becoming the bad guys, namely the Catholics Right. In that instance. So it how how do we get across to those people? That's the thing. Because I I I encounter this notion of the racial church in England, like, well, especially among the English, the the the English church is just, what's the word for it? It's it's it's no longer functioning.
It's just there as symbol symbolic of the state, Even though a lot of the things hearken to Catholicism in their their rituals, it's it's just a shell of what it was. It was a looting operation, and it's just a way to justify looting everything and say, well, we know we're the church. What do you mean we stole church property? Right? It's Yeah. It's a means to justify it amongst non non, you know, non followers of Judaism, essentially, because that's who I think are in control of London at the moment is is is the Judaism Judaized force because this Zionism idea, I think, centers in in London and Basel, places like that and Jerusalem to to an extent, but they've got the Jewish state all over the place. But the Catholics have kind of had to capitulate to it. I know around here, we used to have the largest Benedictine monastery in the world in in in Saint Cloud, Minnesota in Collegeville, and then gradually, you know, like Charles Lindbergh senior was educated by Benedictine monks. I don't know if you knew that, but that's that was, in Collegeville, Minnesota.
And gradually, as time's gone on, it's become Judaized to the point where they, in the fifties, they they hired a Jewish architect from the Bauhaus School in Germany to design their church, and it's just this ugly spaceship looking thing that has no relevance to Catholic worship. Whereas as we've gone out of our way to try to to be nice to the Jews, all it's done is they just spit in our face and say, you're a fool for letting us
[00:52:22] Host of the Catholic State:
in. Right? Yes. That's why you gotta do the opposite. That's why and that's that's the whole point of what we're saying here is, like, you know, they Satan corrupts everything. The Jews, you know, you let the Jews in and they'll mess things up. I mean, that's what you're talking about millennialism. That's what they that that that's what that movement was. I mean, they saw you're talking about, like, Jew that sold the Niagara Falls, this new new Israel. That's what they they you know, the the Puritans and the Judaized Protestants, that's what they see it. They see it all as they're they're essentially they're.
These these these neo Judaizers are they're Jews without being circumcised in a sense. Right? And we gotta sense. Right? And we gotta we gotta see them as such instead of just seeing them as, oh, they're still they're they're Christian. Well, no. They're they're Jews with that that haven't been circumcised. You know? And, you know, like, we we gotta start seeing them as that, and we the the niceness needs to go. You know? It's not about being nice. It would be a being a, quote, nice guy. It's about being about being true and about being honest. Right? And we gotta so that's that's the and that's the importance of, you know, not to not to put ourselves on a pedestal here, but that's why we're doing the work we're doing, and we we advocate for others to join us is this what we're doing as far as getting the truth out there, spreading it, even propagandizing it to make it beautiful to others so more people want to consume it. That's what we gotta do as Catholics. Right? That is that is the solution to this. And the door is open to our enemies to convert to the faith. Of course. Of course. That's the greatest thing I think that Catholics have going for them. Otherwise, if you're just a strict little strict racialist,
[00:54:06] Patrick Chenal:
there's no possibility of that of that redemption.
[00:54:09] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
And and that's and that's why we write songs like like Full Bobby Fischer. Full Full Bobby Fischer is the antithesis of saying, if you're a racial Jew, we hope you burn in hell. And, no, it's saying, if you're if you're a Jew, repent. I mean, that's that's really what it is a call to repentance. But repentance, repenting of being in a crime family doesn't mean remembered Jew, say you're Catholic while still defending all the criminals. No, I mean, testify against them. You don't,
[00:54:46] Patrick Chenal:
no, you didn't end, you didn't, you didn't stop being part of the crime family. You want, you want to bring those people in with you as well. You want, and then it's a tough thing because it's a, you know, family's family, and and it you can't change your family, and that's why we have so many disagreements in our families. Like, for instance, COVID that split apart a lot of families, got people really heated and you couldn't see grandma without doing certain stupid measures and all this stuff and at a certain extent, we almost have to tolerate stupidity to an extent. Being a Christian, it's it's terrible, and yes, but as long as it's not sinful, you almost have to go along with that in order to get others to see a bigger picture.
And I see that I see that as a tough cross to bear in a in a way. Like, we had to deal with that humiliation and but we've learned from it. And now What's a humiliation ritual? That's that's the thing also to acknowledge that these humiliations
[00:55:46] Host of the Catholic State:
are humiliation rituals, and those that allow themselves to be humiliated are the ones that are falling for it. So, I mean, it is I I hear what you're saying, but it is a there's a line. There's a I mean, we have to be there we have to tolerate those that are wrong. Obviously, we have to love them and tolerate them anyway, even though they're wrong. But we we still have to preach the truth. We have to be honest about the truth. And if it becomes, throwing,
[00:56:12] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
pearls of swine, then, you know, we move on, dust our sandals and move on. But we have to always be truthful in everything even though we we tolerate those that are wrong. You know? And and, yeah, when Catholic state was saying early and I know exactly what he means. Yeah. When he was saying we have to get away from being nice and what I'm about to say, we're not disagreeing. I know exactly what you mean by this. You know, of course, we need Christian charity, but we don't need we need to get away from the fake nice today, what is called nice today when it's when it's a false charity. This is why I mean, for instance, the song to call sin sin, you know, it's it's all just about any anything the Catholic church calls virtue, admonish the sinner, avoid bad company, calling sin sin, Anything the church very officially calls virtue, spiritual work of mercy, Satan says that's not nice.
And so when people try to be, quote, unquote, nice today, they are there's this complete disconnect from actual Catholic charity and what Satan calls nice. And and it and it's crazy. But I would I would say that even most people today who seem to be truly trying to follow the Catholic faith, it is so Judaized that see they seem not to realize they are following Satan's definition of nice. And it's truly a case of control the language to control the thought, where it seems to be at the level of a fish doesn't know it's wet, like, where where they really seem not to realize they're doing it. And so they will blatantly they will state blatant Judaization, modernism, and they seem to think they're speaking of the Catholic faith, that they all in the name of, well, I'm Catholic, so I should be nice, so I should say, insert Judaization here. Yeah.
[00:58:04] Patrick Chenal:
Well, you 2, I I I don't wanna keep you too much longer. There's so many things that we could cover. I hope we can get back together and and talk more about this because, Catholic men talking to get together like this, I think we need more of it. We need we need men who who can talk and and also pray and work together
[00:58:24] Podcast Partner of The Catholic State, his co-host:
Amen. For a greater community. Amen.
[00:58:27] Patrick Chenal:
So thank you very much, for for being with me here. You're welcome. This is Patrick Chanel, and we've had Catholic State on here and his podcast partner. You can check them out. Where where shall we find your work?
[00:58:41] Host of the Catholic State:
Christ the King dot info.
[00:58:43] Patrick Chenal:
Okay. Sounds good. So I'd like to thank everybody, and God bless you, and and merry keep you. Thank you. You too. You too, Patrick. Have a good one. You have a good one. God bless you. Yep. God bless you. Bye.
Introduction and Host Welcome
Origins of the Podcast and Music
The Birth of Jewgrass
Cultural Influence and Propaganda
Catholic State and Political Power
The Counter Church and Modernism
Infighting and Unity in the Church
The Holocaust Religion and Neo Judaizing
Christian Millenarianism and Nationalism
The Call for Truth and Repentance
