StreamYard Tips and 4th of July Reflections
Freedom, Fireworks, and Natural Law with John Rollins
Managing Mics and Celebrating Independence
Debating Modern Society: From Parenting to Fireworks
The Complexities of Freedom and Responsibility
In this episode, we dive into the intricacies of managing audio settings on StreamYard, including adjusting mic levels and reducing background noise. We also explore the cultural and historical significance of the 4th of July, touching on themes of freedom, enterprise, and the laissez-faire philosophy. The conversation takes a humorous turn as we discuss various nut-related nicknames and the quirks of summer gatherings. Our guest, John Rollins, shares his experiences with the Natural Freedom League and the challenges of teaching natural law. We also delve into the complexities of modern debates, the role of the state in personal affairs, and the importance of individual responsibility. The episode wraps up with a discussion on the societal implications of fireworks and the minerals they release into the air, as well as a reflection on the evolving nature of parenting and discipline.
Know that in, StreamYard on the 3 buttons 3. You can adjust you can edit other people's mics and turn them up or down inside of StreamYard, reduce their background noise and echo cancellation.
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I see that now.
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I just learned that right before when I was on with Rose right before the show. That's a mic setting. Shout out to StreamYard for
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constantly improving. We have the link in the description below as to what StreamYard is, and you can sign up under Moving Spiders affiliate link. I will say all your things. Of your dreams. Yeah. The 4th July. That's what America's about. Right? Free, franchising, free enterprise, laissez faire. I think that's that's from the French. Are we talking Freedom Price tonight?
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Every night. I'm
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sure we're talking Lezie Fair meant that she was a lesbian in French.
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Could be. Could be. Fair.
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Like, Liz Fair? They're,
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Fresh lettuce, we had sounds really smelly.
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The smell of 4th July is in the air, and there are still fireworks that have not been let off yet. Got it. Hope not. Sure. We'll hear some of the crackling.
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That crap's been going off all week here. It's just, like, been a war zone in my neighborhood. Dogs have been going nuts. Did you keep them drugged up with CBD and other things?
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There's a party in the USA. Did nobody send Sean a link?
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They sent Sean a link.
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Sometimes you gotta dig for it. It's like a bone we bury. Not a bone we pick.
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Tonight's guest, our friend, John. Happy 5th July, John.
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Ding ding.
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Oh, Johnny ain't going in yet.
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It's a little bit early to be on time for a summer gathering event.
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LinkedIn, the Telegram, Sean. See, this is why Sean is a pistachio. This is why we have our Oh, you know what? I didn't even make that thought. My bad. I totally take that back. You are not a pistachio. Holy shit. Holy forgot that.
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You're welcome.
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It's a little nut it's a little nutty.
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Oh my goodness. Can't believe I did that.
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I hope I should talk to you. It's alright. It's the heat.
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They did. Under 4 We'll blame the heat. Some polar bears.
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Well, Sean said these guys are all nuts. So Jim so Jim is a walnut, obviously. Obviously. Marcus is obviously an almond. I mean, what else could he be? I'm I'm I'm definitely a pecan.
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Pecan? Yeah. I was pecan around.
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Yeah. Hiding behind the screen before the show. There we go. The wave under the waters. Under the watermelon wave.
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Oh, yeah.
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Delicious watermelon wave.
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Under it and 14 degrees. Watermelon is definitely the thing to be eating. That's a hot watermelon. You don't cook your watermelons? So do you salt them? Are you with salt oh, salter? Brian, I I am shocked Brian does it. It's like 1 of the only things Brian normally like, I would swear he is he's I don't understand how he doesn't have fucking blood pressure that he could fucking laser things with. You know? Because this guy eats more salt than any 4 people put together I've ever seen, and I eat quite a bit of salt.
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I I've seen those watermelon, the salt videos. People just put them between thighs and watch out what happens next. It's just He does install this watermelon. Incredible access to strength.
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Just crushing them.
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We do have a little bit of music, elevator music while we wait. We can play
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that. Well, John gets his interwebs figured out.
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Yeah.
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Spider. Swing number 3.
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Oh, Jamal. Do you have a title for the show?
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W u 6 b.
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Rules 4 I n.
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I heard the wind. Now my new life will soon begin. I had to go, but it's okay. You see, I'm with you in a different way.
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Build it back better. I'll share the link with someone who loves America. Coming in for a landing.
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Wow. I feel so suggestible now.
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It's the social engineering process complete.
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And I'm eating chips.
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Chips and dip? Chips and No dip. Guacamole.
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Good idea.
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The great melting pot of America.
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Yeah. The great melting pot is 7 layer bean dip.
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Let's hear that title 1 more time.
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Great. I know we're at got in the gastrointestinal distress.
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W s w 260, jewels 4 I, aluminum, barium, and strontium.
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Start. I want to fish we apologize to Sean about pistachio comment. I forgot that pistachio had a negative connotation.
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We wanted to wanted to take a calm tonight after all the fireworks action that's been happening in our neighborhoods across the spread nation. Apparently, California said, no. Don't don't launch those fireworks, but they launched even more in Los Angeles. Did you see the videos out of Los Angeles?
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No.
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There were so many fireworks going up everywhere. Fire is springing up like mad around here. It's hard to keep up.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna be another 1 of them years even though it's been cold and moist up until this point. Point?
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Mostly moist.
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Then some interesting weather patterns. Maybe we'll get into some of the famous dams that have been in the news for not quite failing, but remaining steadfast and allowing the spillway to sort of circumvent and go around them a little bit. You know what they say?
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Damn that
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good. A little bit. And tonight's guest is John Rollins.
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Hello, guys. How are you doing?
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How are you doing, Brian? Hello.
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Thanks for having me.
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Good to be here. Was with the natural freedom league and was very active in, in person. That's I in person met John while he was doing those with while he was doing that, actually. And 1 of the coolest places in San Francisco, there's some area where parrots that are just like Randall, apparently, maybe their owners dies because parrots or parrots live forever and people didn't want them or something. I don't know what happened, but there's just a ton of parrots just hanging out everywhere. It was hard to pay attention because there's parrots constantly doing shenanigans.
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Yeah. That was weird.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And we, my buddy, Mike Mattingly, known as Funky Fathers, he's does, you know, freedom music, activist music, and he was playing out of the park in San Francisco. And so we set up our little table. That's probably the last event that we did, with I did with Will Keller, my partner in Natural Freedom League, where we were just going out and basically trying to teach people about natural law and trying to get them to stop believing in the religion of statism. And, yeah, that kind of ran its course, and, I kind of evolved my thinking and got out of the, Mark Passio, version of natural law, which, a lot of that work was based on at the time.
Kind of my ideas have evolved and have changed quite a bit at this point. So, I'm much less of an objectivist, I guess, I would say. So, which is kind of interesting because, I mean, we'll get into this, but the idea that Ben brought up the other day about, engaging with some of these debate channels, as I started looking into them, I I found it very interesting just how much just how much these people initially, I thought, I don't know if we're gonna fit be able to fit in here, but, these are people that are definitely firmly rooted in the state, almost to the point that it seems that they they don't even recognize the influence of the state.
And but I do think there could be an opportunity there because as I watched through more and more of them, I saw that there's more general social issues that they get into. And I think that people like us could potentially offer a different perspective, and I think that's what Ben's idea was, but I'll let him explain that more.
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Absolutely. Yeah. That's gonna be a cool little side project that we're part of why we're talking to John tonight that Marcus and I unfortunately, Jim has a lot of things going on in his personal life. So that real world things, so he's not able to join us. But, obviously, when if the time ever comes that he wants to, Jim is obviously 1 of us. But, we're gonna kind of go over into into the more, debate and discussion forums on the you know? And Beth Beth here is 1 of them. I've been on Beth's channel a number of times, speaking about the masculine and feminine dynamics.
And, this will be more of the social driven portion of that. And then, 1 of the big parts of that that I that excites me the most for myself personally anyways is that, and kind of the idea that this is geared around when I brought it to everybody is that they're from from my perspective, the only people that represent manliness in that, arena are like your Andrew Tate's an extreme example or like Owen Benjamin or people like that who are or on the more toxic end of things. The guy, you know, and this brings more balance and more realism. And then really, 1 of the big bigger things and again, Jim completely fits into this, but it's men that can have an intelligent discussion and and some of the more sensitive topics.
And most of the time, any when anybody is debating these things, they're very much talking past each other. And then a lot of times are you getting me? And then a lot of times, they will, they're very dishonest. And so this, I think, we can bring a a more strong and powerful masculine that isn't that 19 eighties jock toxic idiot. More of the, we don't have a name yet, but more of the warrior philosopher, you know, the the bringing the 2 worlds together instead of, either the liberal, femboys, cuffboys, or the the 19 eighties jock. Like like, I I feel like this group of, and Sean also. Sean's also extremely busy, which is why we didn't add Sean into this.
Obviously, you guys know that. He doesn't make it to this to here a lot of times, because he's got a lot of things going on in real life. So adding on to that with more of this is just not feasible. But John and Marcus and I are gonna go ahead and take a shot at that, and I think that I can openly debate. Plus, there are some points, and it's funny because even in this, we don't agree with each other all entirely, which is what makes us great. But, there's some points, like, for me, a lot of the guys that talk about a high value men, they also think that that they can those high value men can go out and have, numerous partners and things like that. And, I do understand where they're coming from with that, but I have counters to that and other different debates. And the and there it's real heavy on the Orthodox Christian end for, the masculine types.
And, obviously, I'd be looking forward to getting into the heathen versus Christian cosmology and the implications societally behind that. Because from my perspective, basically, everything that we're seeing today all derives from the Christian takeover of the western world, where before this in the heathen world, it didn't operate like this at all. And it was a much better system. But I also believe that the Latin system is more empire driven, and then the Germanic system is tribal. So there's that entire factor to it too. And to me, the empire just doesn't ever work out. But, anyways
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Yeah. It's interesting that a lot of this probably starts 1999 with the movie, the matrix, which offers you the blue pill or the red pill, and that metaphor got mixed into mean nothing and everything at the same time. And when it comes to online chat rooms and message boards, the the community of the red pillars, meaning they took the truth about the sexual dynamics between men and women and then began to explain that and teach that as sort of a Venusian art, and you had the show, with the guy in the big floppy hat on bh 1, the game, talking about going to nightclubs and picking up women and and nagging on them and peacocking and all these these these strange terms.
And then that sort of got to the point where women were like, that's disgusting. They started pushing back, calling it toxic masculinity, And the, men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Things sort of just really polarized what was going on. And there's not a whole lot of great information in terms of what are good decisions to make, what are situations to generally avoid that will reduce a lot of stress and anxiety in your life. And instead of just trying anything and then living with the mistakes, not having the wisdom of the elders has cost so much in terms of men who have had to figure it out on their own and then have failed, and then no one's been there to help them.
So it's the blind leading the blind in terms of the Andrew Tates of the world or the Jordan Petersons or the the male figures who are popular aren't quite delivering the information that is gonna be beneficial to anyone. And there really isn't the nuanced discussion of, well, let's just talk about how things are and how we've seen them. If they're coming from a bias already, then it's sort of like, this is biblical sexuality or the orthodox people with this sort of chase to wait till marriage thing. And they want a debate with someone to say, well, you know, this is America. We can do what we want. We have freedoms, including sexual liberation, and maybe, that's a good thing. Maybe it's maybe it's a weapon against us. Maybe it harms men and women at the same time.
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What's interesting and 1 of the dynamics I think that should be discussed is how, western culture, their great nemesis is, Muslims. But when you look like Iran, if you look at pictures from, like, the seventies of Iran and places like that, it looked basically like seventies America. And it's somewhere in there in the eighties, America took 1 path with the age of excess. And as that was happening, a lot of, it's, subsect of the Muslim world all went this hard right, and America went this hard left. And you can see where, the 8 with the seventies, you had, you know, the free love and, the, you know, the extreme use of psychedelics and other drugs.
And then the eighties was the age of excess, and then it just went downhill from there. It it all just gets worse. And then on the flip side, you see the Muslim world where, again, if you go back and look at Iranian women, they were wearing bell bottoms and hanging out and look just like basically America. And now they're, you know, they can only show their eyes, and they walk around, looking like some, like, weird feminine version of the KKK or something. And, it it's super interesting that those 2 went so hard polarized against each other like that.
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Well and with this weekend being the Independence Day celebration extending all the way to, you know, Sunday hangover time. Looking at the the freedom that our military has fought for and to spread democracy and and how that has influenced other people, you and how that has influenced other people around the earth, the globe, the realm. And if we're
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exploring our I think it's too hard to predict. That transition happened, though. It's something that we'll need to look at for sure to understand that. Like like, at some point, when did we because most of us in the room here are aware that we're originally a republic. And the you know, to this republic for which it stands, like, we're all pretty guy pretty freaking aware that it's a republic. And that while there was somewhat of a democracy Mhmm. And that's a that's something that can be extremely, it's definitely gonna get brought up in some of these debates because, the lack of the understanding that it was just the individual landowners that were allowed to vote. It's not like they were letting isolating out other people. You could be you could be potentially be black and have owned land and and depending on where you were, you could have voted.
It happened. Like, it's it it was a landowner thing, and part of that was the understanding that if in that especially in that era era when you could just go you there was nobody to buy the land from. Being a landowner meant you had the gumption to go in the intelligence and the foresight and the planning to go work that land. So, sure, you should get a say in how affairs go. If you're just some schmuck out on the street, no. You should not necessarily get a vote is the way that is the way that system went. You don't even understand how to run your own life yet. Why should you get a say in the bigger affairs, which I understand that angle also, Like myself, I'm more on that angle. Like I to me, democracy is the worst system that I can possibly imagine.
That is mob rule, and the mob has never been known for being intelligent. Like, of course, all that's gonna attract all the worst people, and they're gonna have a goal toward all the worst ideas. Oh, I could just sit around and do nothing, but all's I gotta do is vote and to get the government to give me money. Universal basic income for everybody. Like, jeez. How stupid are you people? Like, so that's never been a good idea, unless you have some way of ensuring that you have a highly a high integrity and a high intelligence mob.
I don't know how you do that.
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What I find interesting from watching these platforms is they so they start with prompts. Right? And so for an example, why are women more unhappy than men? And they've got 2 men and 2 women, and they've got the 1 guy, I think his name is Andrew Wilson. And he he claims he's a Christian nationalist, very, you know, fundamental Christian, I guess, whatever his version of Christianity is.
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And I can't remember if it's Greek or Russian Orthodox.
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But the premise on its face is a problem, I think. Because where are you getting this data? And then they're saying, we're getting this data from the UN. Well, why why do we trust the UN? Why why do we, why do we even believe that this is a an issue? I don't know. I find that interesting. To me, these are all issues that kind of, tend to lead you more towards government. Like, there's this big problem of women and men being depressed, and we need to find a solution to men and women being depressed. And none of these people are actually talking about individual behavior and individual, self improvement and morality.
It's like they're talking about these big concepts and as if they're going to implement them somehow through some, politician or president or so I that's the that's the part that I kinda find problematic with it is the premise that these issues are real, that there's things that we should be worrying about as if we can solve them. I do see the benefit in talking about them, but I just see all the people that I've seen so far on a on a couple of these episodes. It's all about kind of forcing your ideas on somebody else, and and not really saying how they're gonna do that, but just saying, you know, oh, you know, premarital sex is bad because of this.
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And, Oh, no. Andrew says how. He'd make laws. He's real straightforward about it. And if if if if somebody challenges him enough to actually say it, he's real straightforward. Like, he's like, he would bring back decency laws. He would bring back, you know, a number of things. Like, he's real straightforward about that. Like, so he's he's not fucking around. He's like, I would make the laws. I would use the force.
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Right. Right.
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Yeah. Which I'm not saying I agree with. No. Of course.
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Yeah. I just just on its face, I just don't trust the data. I No. You know, you're you're taking surveys of people. I mean, even on a census, I don't fill out the census.
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So there, you're not And then he's cherry picking information because while he's using 1 piece of information, which I is accurate, I agree, that women take higher doses, are are more likely to take psychological depression drugs, get prescribed them. It it like, not even comparable. Now, also, not even comparable, your average man, if you ask him to go to a doctor, he's like, is the bone sticking out? Well, and not not woman, what what what do you mean? You know, like, so that's the average man. Now so that's gonna cover a lot of that distance. Now here's the factor that we can use to check men's, mentalities.
Men, just like women take, depression pills at that much higher percentage than men, men kill themselves in that much higher a percentage than women. So, you know, they might not be taking all the fucking, popping the pills, but they're the ones offing themselves, which certainly is in a good state of mental affairs.
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This is Andrew Wilson. He's, on the playing with fire YouTube channel. He's got a lot of different debate formats that they have where it's like, sometimes there's more moderation. Sometimes, moderator tries to step in and and, field the questions and give people equal amount of time to speak. Have you seen have you seen this stuff, Jim or Sean?
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Sort of dating debate shows. Yeah. I've I've tuned in to Andrew Wilson before, and I've read his wife's book about feminism having, its roots in, black magic and cultism, you know, listened to it on Audible. I checked him out, you know. I haven't watched it enough. I've never really watched him debate. Like, I don't I'm not I don't really dig on watching people debate very often. It has to be a pretty significant topic and a high level of respect for 1 another because everything just turns to bad faith arguments, and I don't really wanna watch people sit and be indignant and have bad faith arguments. You know? I mean, I do indulge sometimes. If I wanna do that, I'll go listen to Andy Worschke back in the day when he had, you know, Internet Blood Sports and it was completely off the chain, not so formal.
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In his wife's book, and I was curious about this. Does she, draw because this is obviously, that's 1 of the places I wouldn't mind debating the guy, in the occult because he puts so much blame on a cult, but his entire idea of a cult is the thing that we've gotten brought into us by the Theosophical Society, which is what brought us feminism. And all that was preluded by, small hat women's movement. So does he happen to does she happen to go back any further, or does she just blame it in general on a cult and not even go look at that that and delve any further and realize that that all was generated out of the women's
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smaller. As you could imagine, she's not she's not super academic and, truly historical in her narrative. I'm not saying it's poorly written. You know, it wasn't hard to listen to. I don't think she necessarily got a bunch of shit wrong or anything. But what she does is brings up 5 or 6, if if I remember correctly, it's probably been a year, 5 or 6, like, evidences in the realm of the people that you're talking about, you know, some type of occultist, you know, like, Susan b Anthony or whoever else, you know, that they're definitely affiliated with, you know, what I would call women's masonry magical movements and theosophy, that type of stuff, you know. We've got to assume from what the documents that we can get our eyes on. But she doesn't really she doesn't really explore the idea beyond saying, look, here's evidence that the roots exist in at least these documents and these people and these philosophies from these groups or whatever.
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Yeah. So not even understanding that not even understanding that so many of these derived from like like, the idea of Lilith. Lilith being 1 of the giant feminist figures, you know, that they that they worship or whatever. And the version of Lilith that they worship is this story of Lilith where she refused, Adam because if I'm not mistaken and if I got this wrong, forgive me, that Adam wanted her to have missionary sex position and she refused
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that. I'm not a 100% that part of the story is only That's that's that's 1 of that's 1 facet of the myth. You know? They have the Lilith myth goes deep, but that's definitely 1 facet they claim. Right. You know? You know what? I I don't know why. But, anyways,
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so this was something that was brought out by the the Jewish Women's Feminists Movement in the mid 1800. Now the that version of Lilith derives from a Jewish, a medieval Jewish comedy called the Alphabet of Ben Sirah. So that's not even actually, historical piece. That's a comedy. It's a play. And they're taking that version of Lilith and then superseding that into, as a historical figure in a historical storyline. And the only actual version of Lilith outside of that is a very small mention where her name is brought out as there's like these, and this is basically prehuman times.
There was different tribes of demons and things like that. And that was basically given as 1 of the names of 1 of the tribes, or 1 of the being type things in that era. And there wasn't really any descriptive terms, added on to that. All of this the rest of this derives from a literally, like, me watching fucking Marvel Marvel movie, like watching, that 1 of the Thor Marvel movies, and then deciding that the things that happened in that Thor Marvel movie were historical. It's it's literally that stupid. And here's the alphabet of Ben Sarrah, Lilith, that Marcus pulled up. So that was pulled in the 18 fifties out of this story and put into the public zeitgeist by the Jewish, women's movement.
And then that then ends up making its way into the Theosophical Society, and gets pushed by Alice Bailey. And Bailey is the mother of the new age movement, and they're also the in the founders of modern feminism. So how are you gonna leave that part out the story?
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Yeah. And like I said, I don't, you know, I don't think, I've never seen, Andrew Wilson anyway on his little show directly be talking about zionism and all the stuff going on and jews and all the how Jews So and so I but that to me that doesn't necessarily mean that he's intentionally avoiding it if he's trying to be on youtube I'll give him that Chance to defend himself there, but I don't know. I've never looked I mean to me It's a brand new thing in the world, right? Like it used to be the big secret thing that any researchers would do is that they'd end up landing of course and things dealing with world war 2 with the jews with the banking powers with secret, you know religious sex cults of all variety that worship invisible entities and all this stuff But it used to be we didn't talk about it. Right? Like you just avoided the Jewish topic and now it's changed to where you can at least say, hey We understand it's taboo to talk about it, but lots and lots of people are dialoguing about it You know, it didn't used to be that way just not very long ago. So
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Yeah. The alphabet of Ben Sarrah, 78 Lilith, and there's some angels in the story too, Sanoy San Sanoy, and Samangloff. Got all these fun characters, all these situations. It really reminds me of kind of a Shakespearean drama sort of thing. And our modern day equivalent being Hollywood and the soap operas and all those stories, and to think that so many young people are raised on television, and they have probably their first crush in a movie theater where they see someone on the screen, and they start to relate to different archetypes and different character types. You go to something like the breakfast club, and then they show you, like, that's the scary girl, and that's the that's the pretty girl.
So girls have to figure out what type of girl they wanna be. Guys have to figure out what type of guy they want to be. The jock or the nerd or the geek or whatever it is. And all these stories are really insufficient for life. They are not nuanced at all, and they don't lead to healthy balanced lives. So to be able to critique these stories is gonna be very important, especially when there's all this anime coming across the ocean and people are watching anime.
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Bring that back up, Marcus. Oh, recent that little little is stealing the babies and eating the souls. If you look according and this is according to a play. Again, this is like me equating my actual culture to fucking Marvel authorities. If you read a 100 of her children, which that's that's a prolific thing. That's like she's gotta be Catholic. Every day will die.
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If she wants to return well and good, and if not, she must accept that a 100 of her children would die every day. The angels pursued who pursued her and overtook her in the sea in raging waters, the same waters in which the Egyptians would 1 day drown and told her god's orders, and yet she did not want to return to her man, Adam. So what's going on here? This is Yeah. His his first girlfriend.
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She's like, that missionary sex, that sucks. I mean, I'm trying to quit. No. It's not bad. It's just gonna mix it up, not all the time.
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Was that the I I would comment, but I think it's probably inappropriate to comment at this point in time being in a long term relationship and all. You know, I can't really divulge any information.
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Yeah. You gotta go through
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the prayer before its maker and said, master of the universe, the woman you gave me fled from me. What a soap opera. A tale as old as, time.
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Does Andrew Wilson bring up the occult?
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He does in a very negative fashion every time, and this is 1 of the areas I would definitely have a class Yeah. I I I assume I assume that he deals with his wife publishing that book especially too. Now I haven't heard him talk about specifically, but I've tuned in very little, you know, Well, I was gonna say something else there and forgot. Oh, well, I mean, he's you know, he's he's a convert to to orthodoxy. And so he's definitely gonna default to whatever his religious tenants and especially his priest, you know, the orthodox will just go to their priest and and the priest will say well I think it's better if you do this or better if you do that And they're you know, as a member of the church, really, you are obliged to do so to some degree. You know? Because you're gonna put your membership in danger if you don't actually follow the tenants of the Orthodox church that you're doing, whatever sect it is. I don't know which sect is you. You know, I find orthodoxy, fascinating and have, it's the only church I've considered going back to just to to see how it feels because I've never been to 1 and it's very different. It's contemplative They, stand for hours, and, there's a service going on usually with 2 men, the priest, and whatever his sidekick is called. I don't know what they call the other guy. But, you know, they go through and light candles and burn incense and they're singing and it's not it's really not like The plane. Say again?
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Is his name tattoo?
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Well, you know, I could definitely now you're gonna make me use the AI to create tattoo as the orthodox monk, bro. I appreciate it, but now I gotta go there. I'm gonna listen to stuff to be here. I'd like that picture. That would be nice to have. The Me and Ben are showing our age, you guys. Tatu is a character in that old television show called Fantasy Island. It's a little tiny midget. And what the Fantasy island is is there's a man named Ricardo Montalban who is the king of he's king shit, and he's gonna get you your Greatest fantasy. All you gotta do is fly to his island and he'll grant it for you somehow. Yeah, I've done tattoo is this little midget that runs out every time the new, people that are gonna go to the Fantasy Island and get their service are coming. That's Steve.
Was that The little midget runs out. Yeah. It was. Right? The midget runs out. The plane. And he points to the sky, and he says, the plane. The plane, boss. The plane. Because the people were coming. And it was a small plane that just landed on the water because it was only you know, you can only have, like You got 5 or 6 people. Rich this is rich people's games. Yeah. It is. I never thought about how much they're cheap in there, and we should go watch it. I'll bet you there's some stuff in there because that's really cheap in their hand anyway, being a little more honest than they appear to be nowadays.
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Because, dude, that's a eighties show. That's straight up was, like, probably Epstein Island a day. Like, was that show literally just Epstein Island?
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I like that you said heyday, and it made me think Haiti. FTI on Haiti, those are connected too.
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So Herve Jean Pierre Villachier,
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Nick Knight, the magic open gun. Yeah. That dude would have been, like, the dude that does the the most interesting man in the world. That that was the kind of Yeah. Yeah. I thought he's modeled off him directly. Don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. They just they just they just did a rubbing like you do with an old tombstone That character, they're like making me do an ad campaign. It's smart work. If you could take something that already exists and turn it upside down and paint it and sell it again, then let's do that and not to make a brand new 1 from scratch. Why wouldn't we do that?
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Just searching for that actor's name, and I got a New York Times obituary.
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Yeah. It's a sad story. I was, you know, mentioned that part, but, yeah, the the the midget actor shot himself in the heart. I've never heard any man shoot himself in the heart with a rifle, but I'm pretty sure that's what it did. Very sad. Very heartbreaking.
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Where I'm from, 1 of the gay professors at the college shot himself in the back of the head and then they done and then magically the fucking, gun landed 30 feet in front of him in a dumpster.
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That's funny. Some people really do practice black magic, and they can make things happen that are beyond the scope of understanding and time and material reality. It was obvious. Maybe somebody murdered him.
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Obviously, it's suicide.
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You know, I think there was a football player who also shot himself in the heart because he wanted to preserve his brain because he was dealing with brain damage, from from football.
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Interesting. Yeah. So he he shot himself. I mean, it's very sad. I mean, it makes me sad. You know, a lot of men kill themselves. So I don't really look at it a lot, but I am aware, that it's a horrible thing. And it's very rare for men to do anything but shoot themselves or OD.
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20 to 20 There he is. Can you look up the 20 to 50, men's suicide rate in in, America?
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I will I will attempt to
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So my wife is at least fucking 4 inches taller than him.
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I never thought of that, you know, tattoo is actually the baddest dude on the whole show. Right? He's like, it's it's Sancho Pons, the sidekick for Don Quellet. He became secret agent or something. And he's a sucker because he solves all the problems behind the scenes for his big boss.
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I'll give another example of a prompt. I was listening to them debate. It was, why are women more likely to initiate divorce? And they right away went into financial issues, that women, you know, need the men's income. So they're more likely to initiate the divorce. The men are are less motivated to do so. And, but then they just Andrew Wilson kept saying, oh, but marriage should only be by for religious people anyway. It's a religious, institution, and secular people shouldn't be getting married anyway, but none of them mentioned the contract with the state.
Yeah. And that's what that's where the financial issue comes into in the first place,
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but that that's just Yeah. I like the idea. If you guys could get there, you're in debate, I'd love to hear you guys go on there, dude, because it would be really good content and interesting. And, you know, the thing I said earlier about, you know, they kind of try to keep it cool, but they, you know, people like to get in bitch fest and go back and forth and get catty and just, like, have a grudge and all this kind of stuff. And to me if you're really gonna have a genuine debate you have to be able to Honestly in your heart come back to a good faith argument or say I can't continue and not do anything else Don't don't fuck you and this and that and bad about all this shit talk to me that shit always kills it So I would love to see a show where they focus more on the Being able to be honest about bringing your argument in good faith or not and have that is so to me that we're taking it back even before grammar We need to set a stipulation before we even get to defining any words or making any statements Then we're gonna default to a good faith argument, and we're gonna quit 1 or the other, you know That's interesting. That's why everybody digresses.
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It's hard. That you say that because, actually, in a lot of the high level, liberal debaters, they don't wanna debate that because they like playing that game where they're speaking 1 language and you're speaking another. And they won't and it's interesting because in a debate, that's that should be 1 of the things you're both very interested in. Because I have to understand this point in order to debate it. In order for me to capture what you just said, I have to actually fucking understand what you just said. So for me to stop and go, hey. Can you tell me what you mean by this? That's not even offensive. That's clarification.
Because in today's world, like, you take the term of racism for a liberal, they've changed the definition into where if you've not been in a position of power, you can't be racist. So they've put qualifiers on racism where I'm an where I'm old enough that I obviously use just the clinical definition of you think your race you are superior to other people due to your race. They are a race different than you, so you think you're better than them. That is Right. Shit basic rate. Well, when you're having a conversation, if you're using 2 different definitions, that's gonna that's gonna make you fall flat.
And as far as and as far as what John said so myself, I'm not completely against having us having a commitment to the state in this part because I'm not completely against the state. I'm not I'm against this state, and I'm against a large state. I fully believe that in a in a tribal society, and I believe in the in, honestly, a class system in that society, but I don't believe in a static class system where you're not able to move into a different class or fall down into a lower class. Because for me, the thing is is again, I'm a heathen, so I'll put it in these terms. You have Yaro, Karl, and Thrall.
You know what? Some dudes just wanna go to work, do what they're told for a little while, go home, get some snuggles and some some humpies, have some dinner, punch out some little dudes that look like them, and go to bed. They don't wanna think. They don't wanna expand. And you know what? We can't make those people not be those people. Like, we can't we everybody wants to dream about some society where everybody's enlightened. You can't convince me that there was ever a group as large as the United States that became a break off enlightened group or whatever. You you can't convince me of that. And then you look at the Carl class, we all understand that there's middle management. Some people wanna be that.
Some people should be capable of that. Now, unfortunately, in today's system, like, we look at corporate world, middle management's got a real negative connotation, and it should. But we're talking about a more idealized system where the Yarl is the most capable guy, but he's also the biggest slave. Like, when I owned my, I owned the 2nd biggest restaurant downtown and bar in downtown Sioux Falls. Well, like, when the dishwasher broke, did I go ask tell 1 of the the, waitresses who's much better at being a waitress than I am to go do it? Did I go tell 1 of the bartenders who's much better at being a bartender than I am to go do it? No. The owner sat back there and washed the fucking dishes by hand because that's what needed to happen. And and who's the 1 there at freaking 5:30 in the morning turning on all of the damn fryers, turning it everything on. So that way, when the chefs show up, they can just go to work and start preparing the delicious food that I need to get out to the people.
So I'm the biggest bitch on the damn on the damn thing. At the end of the day, I'm the 1 who has to know how to do all the jobs. It has to be be able to fill in everything. And so this is a natural system, and there's nothing wrong with the guy who just wants to go do the work. You know what? The guy who's the smart guy, like me, if I was out doing all the shoveling, it would break me for a month. That's not me. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm pretty good at fixing stuff. I'm pretty good at doing a lot of different Well, how good are you at
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moderating a schism in the catholic church? We could talk about the priest class here
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I really like the idea of getting ben at least 1 chance to get the leaders of the Catholics and the Orthodox together and just see if they'll come to the table and work it out Just give him 1 chance. He might you might pull off a hat trick men men with little hats
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having little conversations together is a interesting topic to get into, certainly. But this, schism against I don't even know. We'd have to look into it further. How many people are even following what's going on with Catholicism, and what is the impact that we're feeling in America that's reverberating out of Rome. If marriage is this sort of religious institution protected by, you know, Catholicism or Protestantism, and then the government also has this, public private partnership with the bedroom, then there's a a discussion that's not really being had to understand what the purpose of marriage is and what the agreement is, not to mention the tax benefits for and against, being in certain relationships and the right for certain people of whatever gender to marry another person of whatever gender. I mean, that's really, exasperated the conversation to a point where it becomes a screaming match.
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And people not stay on topic, though, for this. It's smooth transitions and and and weaving. That works out on the if we go to this other thing, he's gotta learn how to not do this shit. Oh, they'll jump all the way to it.
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I think, you'll probably see the real,
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Marcus Allen. Marcus if, So we're, like, halfway through. We're not even touching that. A real argument. Because that didn't even get into the original part of what John said where
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No. I forgot that there was actually a current schism in the calendar chart too. They just excommunicated the guy. I wasn't even thinking about that. I was talking about the great schism.
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I looked up the history of, the institution of marriage, and it said that 1913, the federal government formally recognizes marriage in law for the first time with the passage of the Revenue Act of 19 13.
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But at that point It doesn't surprise me that's the year.
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So at that point, though, we've gotta understand that we had become less of a a Judeo Christian country. So the church didn't have the power anymore that it once had in order to oversee such affairs. Now where what where Andrew's missing, and I do agree with with all these red pill guys, that same marriage is a bad contract for men. It is, and it should be. Because you are the power in the in the relationship. Definitely, now where the problem that has come in, and I do agree with this with is the no fault divorce. That's some nonsense.
But women should that is women's backing card for a man that doesn't act right. Now her just saying, I don't like him anymore and blah blah blah, that's some BS. And being and at that point, now marriage has become a bad deal for everybody. But at the point where before the no fault divorce, if a man decided that he had become a high value man and he was gonna go hook up with a 20 year old and bail on this woman that had been with him for years and built with him and whatnot. And she was gonna be just asked out at that point. Abso fucking lutely, that guy should that guy should pay out his ass.
Absolutely. She was there backing the whole thing. I promise you that my my my entire app thing that I'm building here does not does not work without her behind me. I get twice as much done if I when she's gone to go do something else and I have to come in and do her jobs, I make 0 progress. I'm I'm stagnating and floating at best. Like, she takes care of all the things that I don't. And so, absolutely, she is deserving of that, and so that should be a bad deal. It it it balances out the power structure that was what was going on.
Since the no default divorce, I don't really agree with that anymore because where she can just divorce him and take his stuff for no good reason. Like, she can literally be the the 1 off, having an affair and, you know, not and being a bad partner, and she still gets the backing of the state, that's some that's some BS. Now we've shifted power too far to the other side. But that original structure where that that thing where the village was gonna come and if you were a bad if you just high and dried a woman, the village was gonna say, hey, bro.
No, you were a dirtbag and you're not doing it. That was okay.
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And when you're saying village, are you describing those people who live around you? Are you talking about the people that attend the church that you're going to? Catholic or Protestant or non church? Doing time. It was the church. And then as John said in the in the,
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1900, as we'd started to move into a more egalitarian system, that then the church lost a lot of its authority. You weren't gonna go out and whip people in public. You weren't gonna do any of those stories we can read from the 15, 16, 1700. The church no longer had that authority. They weren't gonna go out and put scarlet letters on women's foreheads and shit like that anymore. So with that loss of authority, there had to be a shift in order to protect the women. I I I don't disagree with that part myself. Like myself, I'm married with Christie by the state. And I made that choice because Christie and I each have children from a separate marriage.
Now I already owned my entire farm and all the animals and all the equipment and everything else on it. All my different crystals, which I owned a giant crystal store. So when I say that, I don't mean my crystals, like, my cool personal crystal collection. I mean, like, 100 of Inventory. It's like yeah. Like, I have a fucking 1 eye Willie box that you're like, what the fuck? You know, things like that. So if 1 of my 7 children decided if I died and believe me, I do some stupid shit. I really do. I put my life in danger regular.
And, if 1 of these times, I don't quite you know, I roll up snake eyes instead of, you know, doing good, at least limping away. Well, then all's it takes is 1 of them 7 kids to be a little asshole and go, yeah. But dad's got a lot of stuff and a lot of money and land and animals, and I want my peace. I want my peace. And it takes 1. And now all the other kids have to either buy that 1 out and allow my not wife, but girlfriend according to any any fucking buddy that asks, at this point, my live in girlfriend, she gets to just hang out? No. She has 0 fucking rights because we ain't got no kids together.
She's out on her ass. And so this woman who I built my life with, you know, for quite some time now, if we had not got gotten married, she's just my live in and she's asked out. Like, that that to me, no. That's that's that's against what I want. And so that was my protection as a man to my wife. That's something I gave her because she gives me a fucking lie.
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Are we having anything in the Rockfin tonight? Check the Rockfin?
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Does marriage imply a third party overseeing the the the bond or the commitment?
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Yes. I'd say it does. I mean, it implies God or the traditional marriage even in, you know, it doesn't matter which culture you come from. The idea that you're gonna swear before your relatives and make a note to 1 another in public and you know usually before God even people who don't believe in God still go through the ceremony and it still represents the same thing right. That's the 3rd party in the metaphysical or the deeper way, but then the state, he said 1913. So now the 3rd you know, the state takes the place of god as it likes to do so often.
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Which I would which I would equate in the we can look at Greek society where, the last basically, the Greek Roman society where things move to this egalitarian society and the state becomes this giant overwhelming state. Well, that's a balance that happens where, you either have a more religious society or a more state driven society. It seems to be historically either 1 or the other. And but either way, as Sean said, there's you do the marriage in public. Part of that ceremony is the expression because you're having other people to hold you accountable. Because, obviously, if you're breaking it, you're not fucking able to hold yourself to account.
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Yeah. I'm looking at the etymology of the word. I'm using etym online, which, you know, may not be so accurate, but it says action of entering into wedlock. It's from 1300. Also, state or condition of being husband and wife, matrimony, wedlock. Also, a union of a man and a woman for life by marriage, a particular matrimonial union. Yeah. It says a formal declaration or contract by which 2 join in wedlock.
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And and they state 1300. So we understand that the Viking era was 800 to 1100, AD. And in the Viking era, the entire taking the knee literally comes from the expression that you were taking an arrow to the knee by taking on a wife because now you had a weakness. Now there's something that that you have a weakness Because there's something that I love, and I've shown that that somebody can take away from me. Like, the so literally, that was an arrow to the knee. That's where the entire getting down on 1 knee marriage, and they had the, which I performed this with Jim and Rachel, where the whole tying the knot was an actual knot ceremony where that was also this. It might not have been in the terminology that we're using today, but we understand that that was there was a marriage. There was a contract.
Heathen women were allotted divorce if there was a number of reasons, including if your man tried to dress like a woman and act womanly, she could approach you and take your shit. Like, if you did not provide for her, if you did not give her enough sex, where today we all sit there pretend in this weird, egalitarian, inversion society where everybody's a bunch of little squirt boys. In the more manly societies, women had it in the law where they got enough dick. They're like, dude, you don't give out the d.
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Everybody blushes in court when that's the charge. Like, oh, man. I believe you look. That's right. Do
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this. Running out of Florence. Look at our Skeletor. Andy's like, damn straight.
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I think he you think you were looking for a name. I think you guys should affiliate, the terms high value male along with Wario. Mhmm. Integrate that together. Make yourself the high value males with Wario as your as your guy maybe. And that might be the the right name for your debate team. Let's see. Otherwise, we go with the Skyrim memes.
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Used to be an Avenger like you, then I took an arrow in the knee.
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And then he got married, and that You know what we should do? We should just put that text on the Balderson meme on the donkey that just updated. Just take the whatever other text is on there and just put that on there instead. Get some more mileage out of that meme. It would be pretty funny.
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Is marriage itself a meme?
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Does he leave the helmet on?
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In the in the woodshed?
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Just bones under there.
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Well, there's nothing in there. It's it's like a full metal alchemist. This is asleep. That's the bad news. You know, you think you got a good marriage, and then you find out that your night doesn't even have a physical body. This latter ring? Womp womp. Underneath them long. There's probably not enough precedent. You you can bring the case in and you might get get away with it, but there's probably not enough precedent. I'd say most women are probably embarrassed to go to court over that. If they didn't even notice there wasn't a body before the ceremony, It looks bad. It's just like that's worse than showing up in court because you didn't give out the beef. Is that a Benjamin Franklin reference?
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Bodies in the basement.
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Fuck you, Benjamin Franklin.
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Was Benjamin Franklin married? Oh, yeah. I hear. I forgot. Oh, yeah. He
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was. His wife probably was pissed.
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She was drunk all the time.
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Well, he was
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We could examine benjamin franklin in bad faith, I would be okay with that as the topic If everyone wants to agree that we're gonna look at Benjamin Franklin in bad faith. I'm for it It's just when the to me. I'm just a sensitive schmuck man that if 2 people can't just kind of be nice, then I think they should just shut the fuck up. You know? I I I I do this I mean, it's dude, it's different in person now. If I'm in person with people and it starts to escalate, I might be more curious to step back to big steps and watch. Like, are these people gonna actually come into genuine conflict, elevated voices? Somebody's gonna throw some punches?
But to me, the Internet is impotent. Right? So you have to play by the rules of formal debate to some degree because it's what? They'll just turn on the camera and say, oh, I had enough of you. That's it. That's the that's the whole consequence. There's nothing gonna happen.
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I gotta send you this clip of this red pill alpha dude that 1 of them just he's super jackass. It's like West something. The dude is just a fucking moron. He's 1 of them That's a good that's another good name, red pill alpha. We could we should copyright these names. Remember what his name is, but he's like, you know and he's all huge, roided out jackass who's all about women all about women and money and everything. And, he was on some panel with Andrew Wilson, and Andrew was taking shots at him. And Andrew's a good debater. I said, I don't agree with all of his positions, but I like how he debates.
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Oh, no. Yeah. He's he's just good. I that's why I can watch it because he's actually follows the rules pretty strict. He he was just being too much of a dick. He's a total fucking dick, but he resists being too much of a dick, you know. He's in the lane, dickhead. In the lane. Until until they've gone too stupid to that's where he loses it when they're just too stupid to even understand that he just I would also have lost it. So That's why I turned it off, bro. That's why I don't make it very far. Because it's entertaining, it's interesting, and they're on a good topic, and then 1 person just turned out to be straight stupid, and they don't shut up. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I'm done. I can't listen to this guy just be stupid and, like, you're how can we we can only take you right to the stop sign and say, push the button here to stop the car. If you can't learn that, then you can't drive. You know, you can't debate. You don't have any comprehension of what's actually going on. And then I guess you have to turn it off.
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What audience is missus Puff and and the guy's Spongebob and driving school and I'm just Exactly.
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Exactly. For what? When the AI gets good enough to I did make that an overlay, I'd probably turn it on. Like, well, maybe with the SpongeBob filter, this would be okay. It's just all dolphin sounds as they're hardworking behind the, Krusty Krab.
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The the 1 I noticed a lot of people have a hard time with is putting themselves inside of a high hypothetical situation then answering fucking debating if you can't do this? Like, I don't understand because, like, when I was in high school, when you walked up for debate and we all had to take it, you didn't have a position. They gave you the position, and you had to fucking start fighting from there. Like, that was basic day 1 debate. You know? Like, so I don't understand how you guys like, have you never tried to debate anything but a position that you think is the best? You've never played devil's advocate in your own head to try and firm up your own positions? Like, that's just silliness.
But Andrew was on with this giant dude, and this guy get pissed and starts fucking, man, I'd slap you up, fucking blah blah, and getting like that. And Andrew just looks over at him. I'll call him. He goes, wow. You're brave for a guy that's fucking talking shit in Florida to our man. And fucking that other dude just kinda stood up straight and then took 3 steps back and then sat down and started talking again. Like
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Don't forget where you're at. Like, here in Florida. You wanna keep your situational and awareness on the up and up. If I'm in Florida, I have a gun too, by the way. If I enter the state of Florida, I'm probably gonna have a gun with me in Florida. It doesn't seem like a good idea not to have 1 in any part of that state. Good, man. I've never been there. I I like the reputation the state has, but some places you require a gun.
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The the guy's name is Wes Watson.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. The Oh, that's the
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guy? He's a ex convict, but now he's like a motivational speaker, coach. In the in the same vein as, Andrew Tate type.
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Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I never heard of him.
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Yeah. He's not worth knowing. He I mean, just a jackass. This is exactly right. Let's see. That that's that's 1 thing. This I I will let myself get worked up sometimes. But at the end of the day, if I want to, I'm fucking German. Like, I know how to play this game. We purposely try to provoke each other into showing an emotion where I'm from. Like
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Yes. Because, like, Germans are already such a cold read. They just sit there. They just make you feel uncomfortable. They don't say anything. They do everything over and over again exactly the same way they did the last time. It's driving crazy. Yep. I mean, they famously have no sense of humor at all. I don't know. Where where are yours? So you obviously got something adjacent to your German dish. So there you so there. I I think that might be where we get some humor. I know I got a lot of minds from there.
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That's where the red hair the red beard comes from too. I'm half Scottish.
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It's a good combo. 1 time, I almost accidentally got into a fight with a a what they call a Jippo Logger in Oregon. Oregon Jippo Loggers are the guys that, you know, would they go do all the work and then they wouldn't get paid so often that they call them Jippos. But, he was he was half what did he tell me? Or no. John my friend Johnny told me he was half Iranian and half Irish, and, I thought that was the outrageous combo. Yeah. He we we had been on a really long trip, and he woke me up in the morning, when I was taking care of a man who I was his living caregiver for many years. And, it started to escalate into what seemed like an argument. I was half asleep, so I didn't really realize what was going on. But then he said to me, well, if you feel a froggy, jump. And then I immediately just started backpedaling and explaining to him that, you know, whatever's going on, I'm not that upset about it. I'm not trying to fight a logger at 9 AM.
It's all good. Especially when I was much younger, obviously, you know, what, 24 years old or something. You need to mop me up. What's that expression out of loggerheads?
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At loggerheads? Yeah. At loggerheads. All dammed up. All dammed though.
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Damn the rivers.
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No. I kinda like you guys' idea to go talk to these people, though, Ben. Oh, Ben walked away. Sorry. No. You're I'm looking at the small screen, and if anything important happens, I look over here at the big screen. Then if I look at this screen, I'm not looking at you guys, so it makes it weird. So I'm trying to look at the small screen. I could just switch, I guess.
[01:25:02] Unknown:
The power of broadcasting. Streaming to Rockfin and YouTube at the moment.
[01:25:09] Unknown:
We should, we should review the logical fallacies.
[01:25:15] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. I mean, to me, it's because a lot of people just don't know. That that's another reason I have trouble with it, man, listening to people, John, because they, and I'm not saying I'm perfectly, managing my own false statements by any means, but if I'm engaged formally or even in good faith in some debate with somebody, I do try to come, you know, right. And if I'm caught in a fallacy, admit it and say, okay. Let me rethink my position, you know. Most people don't even realize how much argument is built on just it's all just false. On its face, it's false. The bonds will be false. And people argue and they disagree. They take a side, and it's like, you haven't chosen an argument with any position. You don't have a position.
How can you be how can you be supporting it? But the whole world is supporting it at all times to the point where we're at loggerheads. Right?
[01:26:06] Unknown:
And I I could hear you, Sean. I got surround sound Fancy.
[01:26:16] Unknown:
The stadium of Alderson's Ranch.
[01:26:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Actually, I had to hook it up because the girls would hang out in the kitchen, and they're the deafest ones. And then they want me to turn up the TV so they can hear it. And I'm on this side of the house, and they're on that side. And my microphone's right in front of the TV, so it does wicked echo. And then and then poor Marcus has to try and fix that. So
[01:26:41] Unknown:
It's impressive to be able to fix it at your house from his location. I mean, I find that fascinating.
[01:26:46] Unknown:
He adjusts things. He's magic.
[01:26:52] Unknown:
No. I did. Have you been to his website? I think it's a whole website now. It's not just the page anymore. It's a website.
[01:26:57] Unknown:
Yeah. There are. Marcus Allen Marcus said the website. There are many pages in this book on the web, certainly. And, if you go to the podcast, when you'll see the archive of some of the Weaving Spiders episodes, and there's some important show notes there that might help with context for people who jump into something that maybe last week with the Georgia Guidestones conversation, not knowing who Will Ellis is or what he's talking about. We've talked to him twice before, but it provides some extra information. And the bookmarks and the time stamps really help you to navigate some of these long, meandering conversations.
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So when you're feeling froggy, you can jump.
[01:27:45] Unknown:
That's right. That's right. Happen. Jump.
[01:27:48] Unknown:
Collar workers. If somebody says that to you and they're not smiling, it might mean that they wanna fight. So I'd pay attention. Yeah. Everybody's in the inner city.
[01:27:58] Unknown:
Anybody's asked me if I'm feeling froggy, they wanna they're they're asking if I'm
[01:28:03] Unknown:
ear. Though. Their flip flops are coming through. Stole on. And they don't know when people don't know. Right? About to get stole on. If you're in the inner city in many places, that also means you're very close to being punched in the face.
[01:28:19] Unknown:
Well and that comes from an era when when men were okay with fighting. Like, you could you could be like, I could take it or leave it. If you wanna fight, we'll fight, and then we'll and then we'll go on about our day. Alright. Well, you wanna fight? Alright. Okay. It wasn't as big of an ordeal as it is now where they act like like when, James True, said some real out of line shit to my wife. And I said, you know, the whole reason you think you could talk like that's because you you I'm not able to because you have never gotten a fat lip, bro. And then he's like, are you threatened to kill me?
Like
[01:29:01] Unknown:
No. To to me, it all ties back to the thing you guys started with. The idea of engaging intentionally in debate. I mean, in my mind, it's immediately related to that idea that we might disagree to the point that we decide we have to immediately kill each other. We have no other choice. Now we have to kill each other. You know, that's it starts with, I don't like your shoes, and it could go through 67 iterations, but you might end up at now you have to die. Well, let's let's just let's just
[01:29:28] Unknown:
stop that right there and make the law requiring everyone to have shirt shirts and shoes to get service. Right? So now we write laws to prevent behavior we don't wanna see happening, and then we can get into law fair and use the court systems to help us get our point across.
[01:29:51] Unknown:
So I did find a page here with some of the more common, I guess. Hey. Out. Get out. Sorry. Get out. You guys can't have a battle in here. Get out. Should've thought about that for you for that. Goodbye. Some doggy debate channel. That'd be probably really popular. We probably feel like, we're really sick of it after 3 years, but we might we could sell it for half a1000000. I'd do it with you now. Doggie debate channel. Puppies barking back and forth at each other.
[01:30:23] Unknown:
Does the winner get a bag and strip?
[01:30:27] Unknown:
So that would mean that brings up an interesting point in the idea. Right? Is there a reward or some some benefits specifically to winning your argument? And is there a way to police people to make sure that they're actually arguing in good faith? And you you think you can take their word for it? Not. Alright. So that's the that's that's where you get right back into what we talked about. Was it last week, Ben? People intentionally arguing, you know, for the purpose of deception, the softest Yeah. Softest tree, you know. Well, it's nothing's changed. People think, oh, that was way back then when they were playing wearing robes and shit. Like, no. It's all still pure sophistry. That's why everyone can take a bad position and defend it.
[01:31:08] Unknown:
Business office, at this point, have won. It looks like not getting a lot of people actually looking at the list of files. And every effort brings its own reward. So those people that are doing the solitistic argument out of emotion or just taking a a position that they don't truly believe in and truly wanna see lived out, then they're going to have to sleep in that bed that they're making for themselves. That's an immediate consequence.
[01:31:34] Unknown:
So I I I'm curious to hear John's take on those positions because I know John, while he's he's asked the questions, has not said anything. And I know his he does not necessarily share the the positions, and those are my positions that I would use against some of these red pill guys, not accusing John of being a red pill guy. But just saying that, again, John and Marcus and I don't all share positions. And you could be sure, Jim and Sean will be jumping in and tagging in at times, and they also don't necessarily shame share the same positions.
[01:32:13] Unknown:
Well, I think we're a good example of the old world still existing where people could, not necessarily agree on, major points and still have dialogue, still show love to 1 another, be kind to 1 another. You know?
[01:32:29] Unknown:
That's a big part of my issue with the, the natural law community is they I mean, I can't even imagine them going on any of these platforms to try to argue their ideas. You know, they've created an echo chamber where they just put out information. But I I could see the positive of having these debates is, you know, you are influencing people who are watching, and they're gonna be attracted to whatever perspective they think is best for them. I don't agree with the idea of trying to implement some, policy to, force people into any type of particular behavior. I definitely believe, you know, do no harm is the first principle, and I believe in the principle of self defense.
But in terms of the marriage question, I mean, I've been through 1 divorce. I don't want a contract with the state. I have a commitment with my partner, and we have a solid relationship. We have a good family, and I don't see any reason to involve any state or religion in that. My bond is with my wife. I call her my wife, and, that's the agreement we have. So, that would be my perspective on it. And, I don't you know, it is interesting to think of why religion got involved, why the state got involved. Is it really to encourage people to have children as if that wasn't happening already?
[01:34:10] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's a nonsense story. Right? Like, people be fucking. That's what they do. You ever been a teenager? That's what you do.
[01:34:19] Unknown:
Well and that reminds me of 1 of these debates I was listening to was, that guy, Bosch. And Yeah. Yeah. And Andrew Andrew Wilson. And they got into this discussion about the birth rate and, you know, how, you know, Andrew Wilson is a natalist and, you know, libertarian socialists are supporting, you know, non natalist policies, meaning they support abortion. And then they started talking about the birth rate and this whole idea that somehow, like, we're gonna somehow wipe ourselves out by not reproducing enough. I just think that's another false premise. I think that's how they ran the pandemic, the idea that some virus is gonna kill all of us off when nothing like that has ever even got close to happening.
But I think those type of problems lead people to think that we need some big solution from some policy makers, and it just leads you more and more into statism or thinking you need these big solutions when the real answer is have a family, have your kids, take care of your kids. And I do agree with some local local bonds need to be, you know, reconnected for sure. That's been lost. But I think that's also been a plot by the so called globalists or, you know, the people that really want to try to solidify power.
[01:35:52] Unknown:
Yeah. They don't want sheriff departments that are actually elected to their position by the people that are nearby. I mean, that's you know, the old sheriff system isn't it's maybe not the best in the universe, but it was an honest system where you had a community where you knew that this person was gonna be deemed to be, you know, the person to turn to in authority if there's a problem, You know? Yeah. So I I would vote for Balderson for sheriff right above it now. Yeah. I put him right up in there whether you wanna go or not. Whether you wanna go or not, I'd send him up there to be the sheriff. So you talk to the sheriff, all the ship.
[01:36:25] Unknown:
So the first easy 1 on that is obviously what's harm. So, you know, it's easy enough to assume that you can have anybody live in any kind of way. And, you know, it so where do you put the the marker on harm? Does harm come at the point where, you actually put hand, physical hands, physically actually interact with another person? Or is it okay if the other person, their animals come into your land and eat a bunch of your crops? They drive by and a bunch of trash falls off and drops onto your land. Or they go and they beat up the road every year, and you go out and you fix it every year. But that guy, he keeps just tearing it up, dry towing heavy loads through it when there's rain.
You know, doing all the destructive things, to to your life and and just being a basic parasite. Because those people are gonna exist no matter what happens in society. So at what point do you place harm? Where where does harm come in? And if harm is the only real law, then how do you deal with things like that?
[01:37:56] Unknown:
I I agree that is, difficult to, kinda figure out. I do think that, potentially, some type of court system, could exist where, issues like that can get resolved by an arbitrator of some sort. And,
[01:38:19] Unknown:
that does involve a pointed by the group of people, like a state ramp type thing?
[01:38:27] Unknown:
I mean, it would be it would be I mean, you could consider it some form of that. But I just think that it doesn't need to, I don't know. It it good question. And, you know, honestly, that's 1 thing that in go in going through these debates, it's like, okay. I really need to flesh out what my perspective is and, be prepared for questions like this. But,
[01:38:58] Unknown:
Which I love that part. That's gonna you know what? If we can't stand if we can't stand firm on any of our world views, I feel like the the group that we have here is big enough people to change their world views or at least figure out the the proper answers, you know, 1 or the other. Like, if you because if you've got just an unworkable world view, not saying that this is at all. You know, John's on the moment has has had 2 minutes to think about this and answer. But like you said, if we're in this scenario, this gives us the opportunity to have other people poke at what we think and ask the hard questions that we might not have asked ourselves.
[01:39:43] Unknown:
Do we need the supreme court to be like the supreme pizza having a diverse and inclusive flavor set?
[01:39:53] Unknown:
Should Should be a lot of vegetables on it. That's what we got in ours.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
Black olives. That's a lot of nuts.
[01:40:03] Unknown:
Hopefully, you wouldn't need a supreme court. It would, you know, it would need to be more local, you know, resolving more local issues. And, but, yeah, I don't know. I don't I honestly, I'm gonna say I don't know. You see where I'm landing at at the tribal system, where to me, the the
[01:40:25] Unknown:
real problem is this large overwhelming empire that's just unfeasible. Where but in a tribal system, a lot of these things for whatever reason that fall apart on a larger scale, they're honestly for as much as we can act like, oh, I wanna be like this. At the same time, you do want you don't want all your neighbors to act like assholes. And without some kind of a system, somebody's gonna. Yeah. Like, we can pretend like it's not, but somebody's gonna. That's why laws get made. Every time you walk into a fucking place and it says some crazy ass shit, like, don't stick your tongue into this electrical socket. It's because some motherfucker did it. Right?
Yeah. And I'm not saying we should have a ton of laws, but I'm saying whatever law and and maybe some areas want a ton of laws. I'm saying that that needs to be truncated down to, at best, counties in the United States at county size. You know? I don't think there there's even in California, in and of itself, the people down in LA, completely different than you can drive for 5 hours north of Sacramento and still be in California the whole time driving straight north on interstate speeds. Like, that whole region doesn't even get representation, and they're completely different than everybody in Southern California.
And every vote inside the state goes something like 80 to 6 because 6 people vote 1 way because they're voting for the North state, and 80 some people are voting for the South State. So even in a a individual state, you see where this as soon as you get too big of a geography, it starts becoming a problem, in my opinion. But inside that geography, for to completely abandon and go to complete anarchy, it just doesn't work. It doesn't. It's not a feasible thing without some type of a force system in case people act a fool, which, again, I'm not saying it should be like this overwhelming monstrosity that we have now. But something's gotta be there. And with the marriage thing, like today, what happened if, I got sick and for something completely different and I went into the hospital and they tried to intubate me and threw COVID onto the, oh, he tested for COVID shit. Who represents me?
Well, my wife will. My wife be like, motherfucker. My girlfriend, she gets kicked out.
[01:43:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. But you could establish that with a, you know, power of attorney. You could create just in between you and whoever you want. So Now you've now you've involved the state? No. So wait. What was the point? Write a you can just write a affidavit. You don't have to involve the state.
[01:43:34] Unknown:
But that's what the whole point is is you're gonna that affidavit, you're gonna take it in order to make it legally binding. So that way you can make sure that your wishes get followed. You're gonna go get it notarized by a state functionary in order to make sure that you were the person that that wrote this, and they can verify, yep. This was this dude. He was in sound mind in front of me and signed it. The whole 9 in order for her to present that to state officials to give her protection. So why didn't you just marry her in the first place then if you're gonna go go through all that?
[01:44:13] Unknown:
As little as I could, you know, keep them in my business, I wanna keep them out of my affairs. So I would prefer to do it, if it, you know, if it did require a a notary or if it required just, a witness, whether or not the hospital would honor that, I guess you'd find out once you got there. But, I don't I just don't want the state involved in my affairs as much as possible. I don't think they have my best interest in mind, and I think that they they use that premise of fear of safety and protection in order to get you into their system. And then now you're supposed to pay taxes and supposed to support all this bullshit that they spend that money on.
And for me, I would rather not be attached to that as much as possible. I'm not saying I'm completely detached from that, but I am taking steps to do that so that I don't have any contracts with the state as much as possible. But, obviously, we're born into it. We are in it. And I will say this. I do I am an optimist that where I think that a lot of what we're talking about is a pendulum swing back and forth in that. I do think that what is being created is potentially preferable to a 1 world government where we're gonna end up having actual individual states and locations that have different laws, and you can leave where you are and go to a place that more, you know, connects with your values.
So, I definitely think that that's happening like a a splintering of society for people who don't wanna have to, you know, take some, you know, medical procedure in order to, live their lives. You know, they may need to go live in a tribal like community where people support each other, and you are still gonna have those issues, like you said. And, you know, I think a big part of it is education too and how we raise our children. And the more that we can establish these values in our children, that they do have, you know, the the responsibility to to not harm others and to not act like assholes.
So good questions, though, Ben. I definitely don't have all the answers, but I do appreciate the, you know, getting into this topic and challenging myself to, sharpen the sword, as they say.
[01:46:53] Unknown:
Which for everybody watching, this isn't necessarily me disagreeing with everything John says. I obviously live off grid, do as much as I can to be away from this large government and away from the California government. I fully agree with much of what he's saying. But then on the same token, I've put in a lot of thought into, live and I've been spending time. The thing about living like I do is we are so remote that we have to start basically living on our own. And we almost function as if there's not that government. Yes. It still exists, and, yes, we still deal with it. But, like, the road, we have a road association, and we still they he puts up a sign at the end of the road, and everybody's expected to put in money to fix the road and come take care of it and whatnot.
Or I don't nest I don't put in I actually don't pay anything to the road, but I do a lot of work on the road. So I go in and put in my own work. And when the we have storms, I'm 1 of the couple guys that go up there and has a big saw, and I'm up there taking care of everything and doing the work myself. Now that has to be an association. Now without even with the road association, where it's not an overwhelming government, The majority of people still don't wanna pay. They just wanna use it. They don't wanna take care of it. And and that is gonna always be a a problem in every society.
Big or small, you're gonna have a a a group. And and as soon as you start having something, this is 1 of the things you learn. Like, there's the when they talk about the haves and the have nots, as soon as you start being a have, all of a sudden, a lot of have nots start showing up. And and and they have and it's interesting how they don't they come crawling out of the woodwork, but it's only after you have something. So you start really noticing that when you start living in any community. Every community has the community thief. Everybody knows that fucker's a thief.
Everybody, you know, and, you know, hey. Have you seen them prowling around? They've been looking in people's yards again. Blah blah. Every every community has, this and that. So every given at any given time and again, even when I was talking about the class system, to me, it has to be a mobile class system. So if you get a group of people in a room, somebody's gonna be the fucking leader. And that person in a small situation, it's gonna be very clear who that person is. They're gonna they're gonna stand out. They're gonna be the they're gonna have charisma. They're gonna be confident, but they're also gonna be a skillful person. And if they aren't skillful, nobody's gonna follow them in that small group. It's not till we get to a large group that it starts having a problem. Now in this, we don't have a static sis or we have a very immobile cast system right now where if you're born with a whole shit ton of money, you're this class and you get to be in the leadership class. You don't deserve that shit a lot of times. So this is part of why those kids born into that class without that skill, they end up becoming really bad people because they're not able to lower a class and go where they belong. Because that kid don't belong in the class that he's in, where sometimes some of the lower people need to move up in a class.
But a system that's able to do that is gonna stay balanced. But once again, that's gotta be a small system, and it's gotta be a system that's regularly refreshed because no different than what's in the, you know, the founding fathers, the things that they said. Occasionally, the life tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. You have a belief system that you wanna hold up. You gotta be willing to bleed for it, and you're gonna have to do that occasionally because that is your duty. If you aren't willing to fight for something, it's gonna get taken from you. It's how the world works.
[01:51:11] Unknown:
And people find out that they're willing to fight with things once they finally get pushed into a corner. We're all pretty comfortable in the world anymore. This whole consumerism media thing that they've got us in makes everybody pretty comfortable, but We can say something, John.
[01:51:30] Unknown:
Oh, I was just gonna say, like, with what you were saying, Ben, about the question of what is harm, I had thought about that when we were out there talking to people, and people would challenge us on some of our ideas. And but I was thinking, if you really got to doing no harm, would would you really have a right to even create a vehicle and drive around and chop down trees and create roads? Like, isn't that could that be considered a form of harm to your neighbor who doesn't want a a road put in, you know, the middle of his, you know, village or but then my thought on that is that as humans, it isn't our nature to create from nature.
And so I I guess it does come down to, like, finding a balance. Obviously, the the system we've created with all these highways, I think it's it's very unnatural. I think that it came from a manipulation of the oil industry. You know, like in the Bay Area, we used to have these trains that, you know, drove you from Pleasant Hill to San Francisco, then you take the ferry across the water. And, like, right right at, like, the end of World War 2, they tore up all those train tracks. And then, you know, everyone was gonna have a car. Everyone was gonna have their own automobile. Now all these highways were being built.
And, you know, I just think that shows an imbalance of, you know, what we're supposed to be doing. But, again, hopefully, with the pendulum swing, we can find a happy medium where we are more imbalanced. So
[01:53:14] Unknown:
I like that. I think that, public transportation a lot, like, having your everybody having their own individualized little, you know, bubbles they're driving around in or they live in. But, like, the, like, the erasure array is I don't know if I'm saying that right. But, like, getting rid of the public transportation on a bigger scale and also, like, public cafeterias, like the automat and stuff like that, they got rid of that. So you're not you know, these super rich kids, at 1 point, they probably would be, you know, exposed, you know, in the later days, to other classes. So they might, you know, interact with each other. But if you're not interacting with the other classes, then, you know, it starts to get to be where it's gonna end up kind of like how Delhi is or it's just like garbage in the river and
[01:54:15] Unknown:
all this stuff. That's how it is here now because we're in Yeah. The same class system that they're in. It's just a different, you know, it it it's a more illusory class system instead of a very open class system. You know? But we are absolutely in the same class system, which is part of why it looks like India here. Like, is it fucking dumb?
[01:54:40] Unknown:
Kinda reminds me of, is that Ragnarok? 1 with Jeff Goldblum's trash planet. I always think of that. I always feel like
[01:54:55] Unknown:
Oh, you know, John, I looked up harm in my big dictionary right here, and then I didn't wanna interrupt the flow of the conversation. But I could do it again if you want. It was really basic. But, you gotta read it. Pretty much came down just to, not injuring the other. Right? So then it goes back to your discussion. You just said, like, okay. So at what degree do we, delineate what's harm? If I say fuck you, I don't like you, is that harm? Yeah. For most people, the answer is no. Right? For some people, the answer is very much yes. They might have just turned off the screen to make enough squaring and cussing for them. You know? In today's society, absolutely.
[01:55:35] Unknown:
That that is harm.
[01:55:38] Unknown:
And to me, that's the way that, ideally, we would be able to divide up these tribes if we were gonna go with VIN system. That something a system delineates you to a position where you can be unhappy in your position and move. In that way, you get the people that come in and say, yeah. It doesn't really bother me if somebody says fuck you. I don't like you. I'm okay with that. And then we know that you're for sure in. And if you're not okay with it, then you may maybe you can get assistance to go out to the other place. Right? Or at least 1 at a time or whatever.
So harm I think the
[01:56:13] Unknown:
problems in our community is that we all want to be these extreme individualists. Now the problem is is at the same time, most of these a lot of these people have no skills and no capabilities. And and when they and if shit hit the fan and they didn't have the government taking care of them, if they didn't have everything that the system that they're eating off of doing it for them, they would be in deep, deep shit. They have no capabilities nor do they even understand a slight bit the infrastructure that has been supporting them that they take in as, like, a presupposed thing that to such a degree that they don't realize what a world is without that.
[01:57:05] Unknown:
I mean, the people don't realize those people become slaves. If if the if things truly break down and they allow the system to collapse to where we end up with factionization, warlord type behavior, Balkanization, then people that really can't defend the position or do anything just become someone else's property. It just happens automatically. You know? That's but, of course, when God is so cush right now that people don't believe that's even possible. You know? They push they push that story.
[01:57:35] Unknown:
But when we look at it, historically, until the Romans and, the Greek Roman Empire came conquering in the, at least, western culture through tribal systems thrived, thrived, and and had no problem being next to each other. In fact, it was abhorrent that, to try and they to try and force every 1 of those tribes into a singular type thing. And in fact, that was honestly the downfall because to get them all to go to war together was a few and far between thing. The battle of the Tuderberg Forest is 1 of the only examples where numerous Germanic tribes all got together and said, fuck Rome. And that's where, like, all Dylan's Acoccio's relatives got fucked. Yeah.
[01:58:39] Unknown:
You
[01:58:41] Unknown:
know? So that but on its on its in an actual system until this parasitic overwhelming locust like system came in, and we see it reiterated in the English empire after the fall of the Roman empire, and it just moved itself over to the British empire. Until that came in, everybody lived pretty good. Somehow, they went 1000 of years without warlords. They tried calling us barbarians and saying that we didn't know how to read or write because we didn't know how to read or write Latin. You know, fuck about your little bitch ass Latin language. Bunch of little cunts. You ever fucking seen Dylan's coach?
That's his people. Bunch of little fangs running around thinking they're cool, tiny dicks. Ever seen their statues? You know, it's how they talk about how that's such a perfect example of 1 to 1 for human anatomy. I've got tiny little pecker on there. We know what you people are like.
[01:59:51] Unknown:
So okay. So now we're back to the definition of harms. Since Ben is demonstrating that he is able to do harm, then it might be philosophically and verbally in the context of harm even currently. Some people might consider the things that he just said harm. So here's according to Webster. I think it's from the fifties or something. Let's see where it go. I had it, but you made me laugh. Harm, and now Injury, hurt, to come to no harm, moral wrong, there's no harm in trying. So the first thing, injury and hurt, and then the second definition is to injure over hurt.
And then I looked it up and it said it come from an old English word that I've never heard of called hear me in, like, h e a r m I a n. And it pretty much says the same thing, but there was an interesting word down here to afflict or to grieve in the etymology of that second word. It still just says to harm, to hurt, to injure, or hear me, and I've never heard of that word. But so it's still pretty vague, I think, you know. Where's the philosophical position?
[02:00:58] Unknown:
You know? Especially if something is so subjective as harm. Like, you you're talking something
[02:01:05] Unknown:
really subjective and then trying to move that into an objective arena and saying Right. And that's why those taste laws that way. Right? I mean, in our old system that they're dissolving right before our eyes, there had to be harm and harm was represented as property. You know? Your property got damaged. Something happened that it affected you in a way that or maybe it wasn't emotional and a psychological hurt, but you were still able to claim for the other person's property because it was so bad. You know?
[02:01:36] Unknown:
Right. To where, like, oh, you're depressed and can't work or
[02:01:41] Unknown:
you know? And we have those lawsuits today. If something happens where you get injurously hurt and you're not ill well, they expect the other person to help take care of that. But is that other person gonna do that without state authority making them make that right? And this is where all of these problems come in is unless you are willing to use force in every 1 of these instances to, make what you want happen, As soon as another person doesn't agree with you, we've got a real problem. Either we need to appeal to a greater authority of some sort or else we fight you right here, right fucking now.
[02:02:28] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
This is a force that you're talking about, this resistance against the harm. Is it a physical or a a financial sort of, pushback? Are you not wanting to put someone in prison? You want us to keep them working so that they can then funnel their financials into paying for the harm reduction services?
[02:02:51] Unknown:
That's gotta be decided in the society that you're living in.
[02:02:55] Unknown:
Well, yeah, most people are going to agree that if they definitely have been harmed, then it's by almost any means necessary just short of violence and murder usually, but not always. If you've harmed me. I can't guarantee my my actions
[02:03:10] Unknown:
if you deeply harmed me. You know? Here's the here's the question on the punishment. In a do no harm driven society, is are you able to do harm as a punishment in an eye for an eye style? Because that seems to me like that would be a direct contradiction in your entire philosophy. Because the greatest of grievance you could have is doing harm. And so your opinion of I've been harmed, now I do harm, or is something to be made whole again? I mean, where are we standing with that? So and in in that making whole, if say, my child gets you kill my child, I mean, how do we make that whole? We can. Like, do I get, like, your firstborn child, or do, you have to you have come over and do the chores that that child, would have done and, pat my back until I feel better? Like, I I don't fucking know. Or are we are we going in the revenge route with that 1? Because that would sure make me feel better if you killed my child. That would make me feel like more like things are kinda square. You can't really square me back up for taking away from my child. You can't give it back.
So how do we handle any 1 of those situations?
[02:04:29] Unknown:
Right. I think about that a lot with, like, you know, 1 thing we talk about a lot is, like, paydough stuff or whatever. And I'm like, okay, well, if you were just gonna, like, because I'm always like, you know, oh, I'll just just kill them all or whatever. But then I'm like then I was thinking, well, you know, why would I just let you escape this realm? Like, you're like, I'm making people suffer, but I'm gonna, like, free you from your body and the suffering of this realm. Like, you know, like, I don't know.
[02:05:06] Unknown:
But then it's not you're gonna stop and ask yourself Yeah. Hold on. Why what positive is there coming out of their suffrage? So literally now I'm making an entire existence and putting energy and and resources into something just to see somebody suffer? Isn't that kind of fucked up?
[02:05:29] Unknown:
No. It's more like, isn't there a better way for them to, like, learn something while they're here, you know, like, instead of just being like, oh, reset. Go to your next life right away. Stay here. Actually, deal with your thoughts and stuff in a safe manner. That's safe for everybody involved. Like so I do get that, but it's all it there's a lot of stuff with that that is, like, very convoluted.
[02:06:10] Unknown:
So you don't feel like the torturing? Because that's what we're talking about when we're purposely giving another person's suffering is torture. I mean, there's different degrees, but you're torturing a person. You feel that I mean, I got disagreeing with you on the face of this, said that person definitely needs to do some kind of amendment. But do you feel like if you're just giving them pain that and that they're gonna carry that, you're believing that there's another lifetime, that that pain in and of itself isn't what's gonna carry. Like, I I'm positive you've had to have met a child. Like, I actually had a child that, my youngest child, he reached out and he snatched his dog and yanked its hair and yanked it around. And I happen to be standing within arm's length when I watched him do it, and there wasn't any good reason for him to do it. And I literally reached over, snatched his hair by the back of his head, and yanked him just like he just did to the dog. Exact same movement.
And he turned around and said, why'd you do that to me? And I said, so you know what it feels like. And fucking I could not make him make that translation that I was trying to get him to be empathetic to the action that he took, and that was a direct parallel. Only thing he understood that he hadn't done anything to me and that I caused him pain. So what do you do in that situation? Because how do we have a society where we guarantee people that are able to even mentally make that leap?
[02:07:43] Unknown:
Right. That's a good question. But I don't think because everybody, you know, I don't think it would be like a torture thing because everybody feels pain Probably most of the time, there's pains of with living. Just that's just it.
[02:08:03] Unknown:
And as soon as you can point a finger at somebody for it, how many people do even if it's not really the cause? How many people wanna think that they're living with pain is just either a, a consequence of living or or b, a consequence of their life choices?
[02:08:25] Unknown:
It's the, raise up a child thing. It's like takes a village to raise a child. And if we're in a situation where both parents are working and they're sent to day care, day care workers are not allowed to spank naughty children. If you're in a home where you misbehaved and you've received a spanking and you know why you received the spanking because you deserved it, you're misbehaving, you're pushing boundaries, you have the spanking, you realize you're not gonna do that again. If our children are raised by, you know, kindergarten teachers, preschool teachers, they're outside the home. They're raised by professionals who cannot they can't enforce the rules.
So if there's kids that are acting out being damaged, and I homeschool.
[02:09:15] Unknown:
I don't know why he couldn't make that connection. I'm sorry, Marcus.
[02:09:20] Unknown:
That's alright. Clarifying with the with the chat saying, trying to follow the, sort of conversation, and it's the the topic of enforcing the rules with some kind of, enforcement, a punishment so that people don't continue to break the rules. And when it begins with children in a society where the people that are raising the children as the professionals, the paraprofessionals, people at schools and daycare centers, and maybe even getting into, like, church childcare and religious schools, the the corporal punishment cannot happen in that situation. So is that why children are behaving the way they are because they're not physically feeling the consequences of their actions.
People get into all sorts of studies, and they say it's a child abuse or they say that, you know, if the parent's angry because something occurred and then the parent out of anger immediately punishes the person, then that's child abuse. But if the child has to wait, you know, a week or so before the parents discuss it and then, you know, Friday night comes and then the parents announce, well, you did something last weekend, and it was real upsetting to mom and dad here. So now we've decided to punish you with the spanking. When the child had maybe behaved after that event last, you know, 6 days, the child was on very good behavior, but is now receiving a delayed punishment.
So maybe it's the same with court systems for adults where laws can even change. If if the court system can't immediately deliver a judgment or settlement, then is the pain of the consequence felt at all?
[02:11:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Are you able to make the the connection? This a is because of b. Because that seems to be a real problem with this world, period, at this point, the cause and effect. Yep. Understanding. Like, people don't seem to get it. Like, I do this, this happens.
[02:11:39] Unknown:
The immediate effect of your actions and, like, delayed gratification or just being good for goodness sake. That's sort of the the lost education in terms of morality in schools today. Public schools now in America have really removed any sort of moral education. And when I was in, like, middle school, I had a teacher who thought moral education was important and went out of his way to try and, extend its moral lessons beyond what was in the homes in the homeroom curriculum. And then the students were not receptive of that because they thought that they shouldn't be taught morality in a public school because there's the separation of state, which is this public school, and morality, which they associated with church. So because the church was separated from state, that was a separation of morality and right behavior from a public school system.
Maybe that's where things went wrong, and people argue that back and forth with, like, removing prayer from school or saying the pledge of allegiance because it is 1 nation under God. So this sort of religious moral imperative to do good has probably been removed from the education system where they say that the consequences of your actions once you turn 18 are that you will be treated as an adult, and those actions as an adult will be severe, but children don't understand what adult decisions are like. So teaching them to say, you're going to turn 18, you become an adult, and then you'll be tried as an adult when many 18 year olds, 19 year olds, 20 year olds haven't had adult experience to understand what the adult world is like.
So how can there be an education system with some sort of training wheels to get people to transition into adulthood where they can test the boundaries in a safe way and feel that immediate feedback of pushing against them to say, well, littering is terrible because no 1 wants to pick up someone else's trash. So to look after yourself is beneficial to you and your neighbors and everyone in the community instead of being this harm reduction society where we deal with the consequences after the fact. If a violent event is occurring, people pull out their cell phones and record the violent event, but they won't get involved with the event for fear of being involved with, you know, any legal action, aiding and abetting a criminal or something to that effect. So they're not going to get involved because there is this process of law that involves evidence and these types of things. So it's better just to record the evidence of the event and not get involved.
Don't prevent the harm, but rather reduce the harm. Maybe speak up and say, hey. Stop hitting that person or, hey. Put your gun away. But then if you call the police and you have to wait for the police to show up and people are saying defund the police, And that's the society we live in. Going back to, like, public school systems where you might have a hallway monitor who's in the hallways asking to see your pass to see if you can go to the bathroom or not. Now adults don't wanna have hallway monitors treating them like children, but maybe there should be.
Right? So we have to figure out how do we teach children from a young age to mature into, you know, this sort of training wheels with the driver's permit where they drive with restrictions, and then proven through a meritocracy, through good behavior, through good grades, through not having, you know, a record on your driver's license to then grant them more rights and abilities because it seems we live in a society where you turn 18, you get all these rights and responsibilities. But then if you do a crime, you can have those removed maybe. And having rights removed, is that a good enough punishment for people to not reoffend and then return to the prison environment, which would be, like, in a time out in preschool where you take an adult and you put them in a cell and say, now you're having a time out. And they're like, well, I'm not I'm not an adult. I'm not a child. So we're treating adults like children, or do we treat children like adults? How do we safely raise up the children in our village idea to then become responsible adults to then not lash out at authority because authority mistreated them when they're children.
[02:16:59] Unknown:
I think I think you're hitting the nail on the head, Alan. That this education piece is huge because, you know, we're talking about all these problems amongst populations that are just terribly damaged by pharmaceuticals, you know, bad parenting, you know, whatever whatever the issues are that we've all come up in, it's kinda hard to solve the problem from the top down. It does seem like the education piece is really important. But, again, if we're all fucked up, how do we educate the children to to, behave correctly? So I that's why these discussions are really important because, you know, it it helps us to to flesh that out. You know, I told you guys I work in childcare, and I'm working on a curriculum.
I think it's I think morality and spirituality are directly connected. And I think in a lot of these discussions, spirituality is just completely missing. And I'm saying that separate from any organized religion. I don't, you know I mean, I think spirituality was kind of removed from Christianity to an extent and externalized. Your connection to God was sort of externalized. And I know there's different perspectives on it, but, a lot of these debates that I've watched, it seems like it's very much a materialist perspective. And, I think we need to find that middle ground. Gonna bring that up myself.
[02:18:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Totally with you. It's all finance and,
[02:18:36] Unknown:
you know, how you're gonna implement policy, and no 1 talks about spirituality, unless it's framed from some organized religion, which is fine if that's your spirituality, but there's a bigger like, to me, spirituality and occultism go hand in hand. It's the invisible energies and powers that affect us and how we relate to them and how we, you know, use them to motivate us and use them to help us create reality. But that's been removed from society so much. So, yeah, I I really think you hit the mark on that, That we we really need to find a way to engage children in these discussions.
But, unfortunately, you guys, I have to go. I really appreciate you having me on. I really enjoyed the conversation. You guys are helping me to learn and grow. So, I really appreciate you guys, and, I'll talk to you guys soon.
[02:19:38] Unknown:
It's gonna be a lot of fun. Thanks for coming, man. Yeah. It was a fun time. Thanks for nice to meet you. Great conversation. Thank you. Nice to meet you.
[02:19:46] Unknown:
Good to meet you. Bye.
[02:19:55] Unknown:
The the word part about
[02:19:58] Unknown:
go ahead, Marcus. I was saying pause for reflection.
[02:20:01] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah.
[02:20:03] Unknown:
The worst part about, no no pause for reflection. I was on actual TV and radio. There is no dead space, motherfucker. Dead space in the debate. No dead space. The the the the,
[02:20:18] Unknown:
And now for 10 minutes of dead air.
[02:20:21] Unknown:
The biggest problem for this is trying to prescribe a universal, antidote for such a diversified being as a human. And that's where the biggest problem comes in. So where Marcus started that out or or a lot 1 of his may more main points was with, how do you punish children? And the problem is is there is no 1 way. I've seen children specifically that have the empathy to under and have the intelligence to understand, like, my my oldest grandson. If I sit down with him and explain to him the consequences of what he just did, he's able to to grasp that and able to understand that there was already a negative. Now if he's not able to grasp that, all those words I just said to him.
Now the entire reason to to say a spanking isn't because you enjoy giving your child pain or because, you think pain is some great teacher. The problem is is you need to somehow connect with a child that's not able to draw the comparison in order to make the proper decision. And so the or they don't, they just don't feel like it, Some of them. So some of those children need that personal negative of some form and I've seen some that you you give him a grounding. Like I have 1 son that if you made him sit in a chair, he would so and actually, most boys are like this. Spank me fucking 3 times and get me the fuck out of here, man. Don't sit there and look at me and make me sit here for 2 hours.
Yeah. You know? So it it just depends on the kid. They're absolutely is never gonna be a 1 size fits all. And we keep over and over trying to do that and trying to shirk our responsibility as people of having a a a nuanced interaction with the world around us.
[02:22:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Because the answer to every question is it depends. Right? Yep. You know, that's just it. And people wanna they want defaults. We kinda crave the idea of a routine as human as human beings, some more and some less. And so it does develop naturally into tribal systems if you don't already have a default system because people are gonna assume roles and their vibe is gonna be a certain way. And then, you know, like you said, you have to figure that out and then do what you can to respect it even if you're in conflict. You know? The kids, it's a little different because they're your kids. So but every person grows up to be some version of that same kid that's still, you know, yelling and screaming at me doesn't work, you know? That's not a way to get me to do anything. Some people yell and scream at them. They feel better. They're under the authority of the person who's who's upset, and they go do the task. I can't do that. I can't do that.
I got yelled and screamed at by too many assholes. So I don't my my please take care of business immediately because I'm upset and it needs to be done button is broken. I hear that. Get it done now. Start yelling at me. Now I'm just thinking about killing it. Oh, how am I gonna should get it done?
[02:23:58] Unknown:
If you're gonna yell about it, you can do it yourself.
[02:24:03] Unknown:
And and some people will or do not do well until that's put on them. And that's the thing. And and I understand what Patrick Keller is saying that, everybody you know, we've actually went through. We're on, what, about 3 generations of not spanking kids in general as a society. And everybody wants to ignore this. But that's been the generalized prescription of society. And as a society, our kids are getting worse and worse because they don't care. They don't feel like they should be punished. We have been way too soft on kids, and this is We didn't anchor them anything. Yeah. Why why would you why wouldn't they care?
They they don't know what punishment is.
[02:24:54] Unknown:
Yeah. But it's back to what you said, Ben. It's really nuanced and difficult because okay. So if you're a person who does have a anger issue and you're angry at your kids and you even if you're trying to do your best, you can still give a poor version of discipline. So then that whole gray area of what you said, the ideal thing is not that you even wanna use pain as a tool. It's that this is some kind of it's gonna create a root connection that you have as a reference that definitely is a hard stop for you. I don't wanna be hit on the app with a stick. So maybe I won't try to drive the car when I'm 12. Right? Or whatever. And, I mean, I guess we could start to line every single version of that out for different people and say, you know, grounding or putting this person in time out works. That works pretty good to get me to knock my shit off. I didn't like just sitting there. If you stayed in a room for a week, I'd go nuts, man. I I started acting right right away. Be apologetic and and offering gifts and everything to get out of that room.
[02:25:53] Unknown:
Yep. There's just no 1 size fits all, unfortunately, with kids. Yeah.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
Some kids some kids don't care. Some kids Yeah. Some kids don't care. My aunt Shelly was that way. God rest her soul. She she my grandma would say I'm withholding your food. She'd say I don't like the food that you cook anyway. She'd say, go to your room and take a nap. Well, thanks, mom. I was tired. I felt like taking a nap anyway. That's what I was gonna do. I mean, this was her answer to everything her whole life long. She and she meant it. Kelly was outside the system, period. You know? And she would escalate things to violence also. And she was born 6 664.
The strongest blipper I may have ever met in my life and not saying so. Yeah, man. Better. He could he could vouch for me. I hate to say it applies
[02:26:47] Unknown:
to the whole reason kids are in in part of why society is so bad, why kids are so completely disconnected and incapable is because we put 0 responsibility on them. Kids are absolutely capable of some amazing things. And if they've been doing those things their their whole life, it's shocking what they become as adults and how capable they are. What's up? Oh, and how capable they are. Grab the cigarettes out of it. Like, you see something as simple as driving. You see a lot of these kids anymore because they live in these our community talks about the 15 minute smart city so much. Like, this is some kind of a future event. Like, that hasn't been the way the world's been since 19 eighties. Like, you know, there isn't 18 eighties.
Yeah. Like, everybody that lives in any major city, to have those people don't have a car can take an Uber to the 5 minutes to something that's a really far away in their world. So this is just the the way things are. A 100%.
[02:28:05] Unknown:
Right. And to clarify, I don't know that we're taking a position either way on the physical punishment, the corporate punishment, or the spare the rods, spoil the child argument. It's it's not whether or not someone
[02:28:17] Unknown:
No. It's the independence.
[02:28:18] Unknown:
Child to spank them. The point I was bringing up is
[02:28:24] Unknown:
in settings where children are Hold on, Alan. You can't have the kids spank you. That's not right, man. Have a child spank me. Now that's really I've never even heard of that form of discipline. What do they call it?
[02:28:42] Unknown:
Reverse parenting. I wish it wasn't I wish it wasn't playing. You tell your child, you you think you think you've got it so easy. You know? Try being a parent for a day, and then you reverse the role and say, well, now you've got to do the laundry. You've gotta wake everybody up. You've gotta pay all the bills. You've got to, you know Oh, it works.
[02:29:03] Unknown:
Everything.
[02:29:06] Unknown:
And you can actually get them to to move their body and do it. Yeah. It does work, but then they realize, like, oh, I I guess you're taking care of some shit. They should have lots of responsibility.
[02:29:16] Unknown:
Kids should have always had active responsibility in their own lives. I don't understand unless you're a baby and incapable of it. There was 0 responsibility that kids shouldn't be active in their own lives and we act like and and the way people act now is like kids doing dishes.
[02:29:33] Unknown:
It is is some giant ordeal or something. Like doing the dishes for punishment somehow. Like, you're abusing your child. Just fucking nonsense. Like,
[02:29:39] Unknown:
these
[02:29:40] Unknown:
kids, they feel like basic life is a burden to them. Instead of just
[02:29:46] Unknown:
that's just part of living. And my whole point with driving is is my whole point with driving was when I started driving at 12, by the time I was 20, I was a really fucking good driver. When you start driving when you're 25, because you've never really had a need to drive, and you get in a car, you're really bad at it. And not only are you bad at it, it's hard to learn. I learned better at 12 and more quickly and made adjustments easier than I did at 30. That's for fuck sure. It's, you know, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. So when you start putting these, understandings on kids, they pick them up. When these kids don't start getting these responsibilities until they're 25, holy shit. I own my own first house when I was 21.
I had 2 mechanics degrees, and I was almost a journeyman electrician by that point in time. These kids are like, I I I mastered Minecraft. I'm a level 93 sorcerer wizard jack off.
[02:30:54] Unknown:
In the World of Warcraft?
[02:30:56] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:30:58] Unknown:
Whatever. Oh, and are we talking doing dishes by hand or loading a dish washer? Because some even adults
[02:31:06] Unknown:
could stand know there's kids you know there's kids in the world right now that got emancipated because they had to do dishes by hand, and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. But they have to do that. They're moving out. They're gonna talk to the state. We're not doing this. It's too far. Terrible. I can't fucking be around these people. They don't even buy soap and then they want me to do this shit by hand. Please, you be my daddy instead.
[02:31:37] Unknown:
And the problem in our society is we're a welfare society, so we don't let those people learn the lesson and pay the consequences for their choices. Like, no. The people that make good choices need to chuck in money and take care of these people that literally did the dumb things on purpose. Take care of them, guys. Well, fuck. What's the point to be to to being right and doing right then? Like, the guy that and this is where you get a devolving society, which is where we are at this point.
[02:32:15] Unknown:
Well, there is something to be said about taking care of, like, people that didn't didn't have the ability to make a choice at any point like that's just how they are. You know that is an unless you have a physical
[02:32:32] Unknown:
physical and extreme physical reason, and that's an exception, and those are extremely rare events, you don't got a fucking reason. You made choices. Like, we can cry around and act like we didn't, but I was born so fucking poor and from a mixed family that we that me and my 5 cousins all took a bath in the same bath at the same time because we couldn't pay the fucking water heating bill to do more than this goddamn much water in the tub. Like, I grew up so damn poor, and every 1 of my cousins has college degrees. All of us own our own homes and land. Nobody gave us no hands up. Nobody our parents didn't have nothing.
Nobody paid our ways. Like, that that all of that's all that's nonsense from people that take no account for themselves and then tell you how they had no choice. I went to prison with a million of them, and most of them, like we were talking about earlier, were you it's hard to have a debate with somebody that's bad faith. That bad faith is like, when I went to prison, Almost nobody ever told you, yeah, I was doing some dumb shit. My PO had it finally had it with me acting a fool and said, you know what? Straw that broke the camel's back enough. No. Every single 1 of them. Oh, I got fucked over. It wasn't my fault.
[02:33:56] Unknown:
I was gonna say, I'm tomorrow.
[02:33:59] Unknown:
Everybody's against me.
[02:34:03] Unknown:
Like, they Everyone's in there is innocent. Everybody in the I never met anybody that was in prisoners jail that wasn't innocent. You damn stupid.
[02:34:14] Unknown:
I was 1 of the only I was basically the only guy in there that admitted. You know? Like, when my PO put me in, I was like, yeah. I got popped hot for weed. I thought it was a little bit harsh to put me in prison over it, but, back in prison over it, but whatever. That's what happened. I done
[02:34:38] Unknown:
it. I'd say for as much time as they gave you over, what we call the most lowest level entry level bullshit, you seem to have taken it pretty well where you have the position where you could definitely argue that you got fucked over. You're the victim. This was they can't believe they did this to me. You know?
[02:34:55] Unknown:
So then the question becomes, have we established what the expectations are? We might call them rules or guidelines for living in a household. We're not just saying, you know, punish the child when they misbehave, and then when they misbehave is determined by the the parents, how they're feeling that day, and how much stress they can take from the child. It's like these things, are they outlined somewhere? Is there a consistent manual for parents to,
[02:35:26] Unknown:
reach their children and say these are the household expectations, something beyond the 10 commandments or something to that effect. How do how do The the child rearing policy book? Right. That now that would get the kids in order right now. If there was a book as big as the dictionary called the child rearing policy book and they had to go grab that thing and start reading about where they were at, they'd probably straighten up.
[02:35:48] Unknown:
Throw the book down. It would have to be that big too because it would That would be volume 1.
[02:35:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Volume 1 because it would it would And so we're gonna need 3 a minimum of 3 editors are gonna have to volunteer to keep this thing in print. Probably, we're gonna need more, like, 12, 15 people, honestly, but 3 minimum full time to work on the the book. Be like writing the tax code for devious little kids like that. You guys see that kid in the meme where where he's got his, he's not allowed to eat in the living room, but he can't take his little tablet into the kitchen. These are the rules. Right? So he goes and he lays with his body in the kitchen and his food on the kitchen side of the line, and he's got his arms across onto the carpet where he's holding his tablet. And the meme is his mom says, you know, these are the rules. He he's beat the system. I give up. You know? And that's what we're dealing with across the board. All these kids, as soon as you point your finger out and say, hey. You're the 1 that's out of line. They're gonna find a really good position to take that makes you look like you're just being a dick. Well, to to teach the child
[02:36:55] Unknown:
what the expectations are for their benefit to reduce the harm that would be caused by not picking up their toys. You're gonna step on a Lego. You'll never recover from that.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
So 1 of the biggest problems with society is what Zephyr here said. So we've devolved as a society so damn much that the shaming the, victims or people that are just whiny and won't step up for themselves, that is now too uncomfortable for people. Not only can we not punish these people, we can't force them to do anything. We just gotta take care of them. And the people that made good choices and actually can provide for themselves, those people need to start taking care of and taking out of their the things they built to take care of the people that made bad choices, continue to make bad choices.
Don't regret nor repent their bad choices. We're not allowed to look down on them. The idea that shaming people is bad is ridiculous. What other weapon exactly do we have that doesn't include brute force of forcing somebody besides making them feel like shit for their misbehaviors? That's insane to me. That's that's this stupid ass society where they're like, that is beautiful. Oh, no. Don't worry about your health or the fact that you're at £300 in a frame that should be a £105 and that you're in such horrifying health that it's bad for everybody. And, like, my like, my neighbor up top here.
Once a month, she has to get EMTs in. The state has to pay 3 different ambulances to come in and haul her jigandor ass out of her place. And they talk about not even going in there anymore
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because it's nothing but cat shit because she doesn't even clean out. Like, it's not even litter boxes. Like, that whole trailer is just a litter box and garbage. No. If she's that big, she can't. That's just it. She you get to the point where even if she wanted to, you know, trying to get just the living room done would put her winded on the couch, elevated heart rate, and and she might not be able to reach the feces or the garbage can. And I'm not being hard on I've just done a lot of caregiving, been around a lot of people. Obesity is an epidemic in this country like most people can't even imagine. I used to bring a large pizza and have to turn it sideways to hand it to this fat lady who was hoarding in her trailer in Walla Walla way back in the day. I felt horrible. I thought, man, I'm gonna bring the 1 that does you in. Yeah. Yeah. There's She didn't open the door far enough to get to her food.
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See, and it's the it's exactly the the complete weakness of a society where you can't even tell me to make these people realize there's living wrong by making them feel bad. Like, somehow feelings or some kind of an actual valid justification. And the reason that they can never be a valid justification is because the same situation makes 20 different people feel 20 different ways. So happiness and your feelers are not a thing that we can judge on how to run a system. Certain, what we have to do is look at human flourishment. And do people flourish when you sit there and and cater to their bullshit?
It sure don't seem like it. Our society would net definitely not be indicative of it.
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That's really the key there we wanna talk about. What makes, society, a tribe, a community, a group of people, what makes them flourish and do well and become functioning productive, artistic, creative, loving adults. And if we're in a society where it's like a harm reduction society where the default expectation is that it won't be an equal outcome for everybody, or will it be a forced equal outcome where everyone will be forced to live through equality, meaning that everyone's gonna have to live as, terrible as the lowest person.
Is there going to be any flourishing in that society where we can't reward anybody for good behavior because that would make other people feel bad for not having that reward and that benefit from doing well and receiving. I'm not talking about an award for participation.
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Harrison Bergeron.
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Right. Yep. So the the the challenge aspect to to set up achievable goals and challenges for young people to achieve through sports and academic and art and music and all these things is important part of the the education system. It's not just teaching them the book to take the test to graduate, but also the experience of going through a system where they are better for being educated and they're a better citizen, they're a better person for having experienced it, but it seems that modern day education is the harm reduction system where you can put someone in time out. We try to not encourage bullying, but if bullying happens, you know, don't step in and break up a fight. Don't touch the students.
Let them kinda figure it out. But then words are also violence in this situation. So it's a it's this murky modern system of education that doesn't have a clear goal in mind beyond just pushing them through the system and then kicking them out once they've gone 12 years or 13 years through it. There really isn't pride in the schools anymore.
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No. Literally, it's basically the same as when you're winning a football game and you start having your wide or cover guys cover you know, step like 10 yards back, 20 yards back, fully understanding that the the they're gonna move the chains, but you're just trying to stop the big moves and letting the the fucking over in window just march is all you're doing.
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Yep.
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And that society Overton window thing where permissible behaviors has stretched out so far in all the categories, and I'm not gonna list them. I think you can just imagine what we're thinking about here. That's not working well for people, or we can see the outcome now. It's not working. And 248 years into this American experiment, they're talking about great reset. It's like we have the system. It's working in some areas. How do we encourage it to continuing functioning and then discourage the, I would say, crazy ideas of permissibility in certain behaviors. And that's always stretched to, for example, age of consent or sort of the procreation aspect. That's sort of what seems to be pushing our society now in terms of just say OnlyFans and women's rights and the pornography we see visual on all of the platforms everywhere.
And now with government 2024 election cycle, they're talking about this, product 2025 right wing talking points thing where people are kind of frightened because they think that it's going to limit pornography, and other people are pushing back to say, well, we have to allow we have to allow it. We have to. It's just we have to. They can't imagine society that says, well, maybe maybe we need to have some limits on this.
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Well, I think we already have you guys heard of something called behavioral sync?
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Like s I r s y n c?
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Nope. Just like a just like a kitchen sink. No. So it's this term coined by, John b Calhoun, and he was a researcher at, NIM. So, like, the secret of NIM is all based off of, like, his experiment experiments with rats and mice. And so they're they were trying to create, like, this rat utopia
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Oh, you're or whatever.
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Universe 25. Yeah. And
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so, yeah, once it got that was, like, the optimum number of rats per whatever the enclosure size was. And then, they,
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Repeated the experiment 25 times. That's why it's called the universe 25.
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Yeah. And, so then once it got past a certain tipping point, the rats or and then later, they started using mice. But, they started showing, like, weird behaviors that they wouldn't normally in nature. Like, they would just abandon their kids and, like, the the males or I don't think it well, I don't think it mattered the gender of the rats. They just didn't wanna, like, mate anymore. They were just acting really weird. And so, like, this whole conversation, I was kinda, like, thinking of that in the back of my head.
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It it definitely has so many parallels because, actually, in that experiment, specifically, the female rats quit wanting to have children. And and in that, that's partly partially because similar to the society we have now, the male rats had abandoned and had turned into where this was a really weird, weird scenario. So not only did they have enough space, but they had abundant supplies. And as the society fell apart, there didn't become a lack of supplies, but certain rats started hoarding supplies and then lording over other rats. They had some that they were calling the beautiful ones that were not did not have to do anything.
And the rest of the society Yeah. The rest of the society got super violent and aggressive. Very similar to the way you see a lot of these lead tards are extraordinarily the emotional, and they get super unhinged over really simple things. Like, you can't even have a conversation with them, and they are really the violent ones. They're the ones that are more you know, they don't have control of themselves at all. And because they've not lived in a world that has included violence a lot, they don't they don't understand it. They don't know how to be decent about it. You know, similar to James True, the idea of getting punched in the face is somehow equal equal to killing somebody.
When, you know, growing up, you didn't you only talk certain ways to people because you might get punched in the mouth. And you get punched in the mouth once for doing something like calling somebody's girlfriend a cunt in front of them. You might not do that again.
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Right? Maybe so the the laws and everything have changed so much that, a lot it it shocks me a lot of people just don't realize it's like they don't they're not aware that they're actually in the world. You know? Like, shit could pop off anywhere at any time. Whatever system is in place is not actually creating anything. You know? I mean, I guess it creates it when they finally show up if you call. But
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Yeah. 25 times they ran that experiment, and 25 times they had the result where the society of rats would collapse before even filling the capacity that they were allotted. They still had plenty of everybody had their own room. Everybody had everything they needed, and those societies all eventually collapsed, due to their due to rep replication crisis where they weren't having baby rats anymore. Replication
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crisis there, not
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Or re reproduction crisis where they're just not reproducing, which is, you know, I I agree with John that we're not at the alarmist stage of that yet. But just in general, you need a 1 to 1 replacement, for any given system, and we're not at 1 to 1.
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Well, I think that's where it's like the 15 minute city thing is pretty dangerous because, you know, in the rural communities, we don't really have that as much. You know, there's still people wanna have a family or whatever. Yeah. But there is a lot more people in cities that are like, I don't wanna have kids because look at how society is, and it's like, well, get out of the city for a while, and then it won't seem so bad. But then, you know, rural things, we have less access to things. So it's like a trade off. Likes that.
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That covers the drug, man.
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That a heck Taco Bell.
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Yeah. Nobody likes that. Like, my family constantly are asking me that. Well, what if you need this? What if this happens? What about and that's all they concern about. That's all they can ever think about.
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Hey.
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I don't think it's so much supplies that's, like, I noticed a lot it's just, like, even cultural things. You know? And that's where a lot of people kinda went along with racism and stuff because they never were, like, exposed to things. Like, just like what I was saying before with the public transit and the cafeterias and stuff.
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Like, it's fun to get out in the world. It's actually kind of an inversion of what actually happened, and it's what they teach us in school. So if you look back, before integration, they actually had very few racial problems, especially in comparison to what we have today. Then when we look, it was actually through forced governmental integration that we really saw a spike in racial problems, where they started forcing the integration enforcing this merging of lifestyles, where prior to that, prior to in integration, there there was a more respect because who gives a fuck what they're doing over there? That's their area. Who fucking cares?
And it's not until, I can't remember what year it was in the 1900 that they started forcing this. And you can talk to people on the East Coast about this because there's still adults about in my age range that remember this, where they literally started taking kids from the different areas and forcing them to go to other schools to integrate them. And what that caused is real real, problems in all these areas, where none of these kids were happy. None of them. And so this was literally, the government trying to force out tribal situations. Because again, when we look at, like, tribal Germany, the different tribes, yeah, of course, they had tribal wars. You know? And that's that's just a natural thing. But in all for all practical purposes, they lived with each other. I mean, we still have tribal wars. We haven't our particular country has had, what, like, 23 years out of 240 that we weren't at war.
So we can't pretend like we don't war still. You know? But the tribal system was able to function and without this forced integration with each other.
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When you're talking about the rat experiment, the universe 25 thing, I was thinking of the great experiment on television called Survivor, that reality show.
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Yeah.
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And remember the first season when no 1 knew how it was going to play out? There hadn't been any guidelines or rules or strategies that had been tested. So do you remember the survivor named Richard Hatch?
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Is he the 1 that actually knew how to do stuff and built, like, a home and got him set up for stuff and then got kicked off the island right away? I remember Richard Hatch is the guy who really loves sunbathing
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and thought that not wearing any clothing was a a great strategy, and it turned out to be a great strategy of walking around ex completely exposed and the discomfort everyone felt around him. They didn't mess with them. They kept their space, and he seemed to do really well with that. So it seems that he was rewarded with his unusual behavior by winning the game, and his whole thing was, well, was he gay? Was he straight? Was he going to seduce anybody? Was he trying a, sugar pot strategy where he's just gonna kinda flirt with people and and make some friends that way, or did he just not care that anybody got along with him and yet he forced some tensions and divisions and then forged alliances that way by kind of managing them by being a stick in the mud by going its own way.
He didn't play along with anybody. So for that to be the president set on the 1st season of survivor, was that scripted? Was that a natural way? I guess the the the broader question is when we're talking about these hypotheticals and we see them playing out in scripted television, yes, reality television shows are scripted. We're not seeing reality play out. What was the whole point of having all these seasons of survivor where you get men and women on different tribes? You gotta mix them and match them. And then you have, like, reward challenges. That's not really a natural survivor thing. That's a completely different thing. It's a game show.
So, I mean, there's some skills that apply to that, but it's not anything more than entertainment, is it? But life is not like television. It's not like the erratic experiment, but we can argue that there are flourishing societies. There are outcomes that were excellent for families, for groups, for civilizations, for governments, for things.
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But from but it seems to hold true that that only applies to societies that grow to a certain size. And I'm gonna say that it's a lot due to geography
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Mhmm. That,
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that happens. And, again, when you force this diversity, what you do is you make bad laws for both sides. But you also make it so you can have an empire, because an empire can control
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Mhmm.
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A a group of bullshit, but they can't control strong individual tribes and try and say, you know, we're gonna do this over all of you. It's only when your own personal stuff gets so muddied that you don't even have your own thing anymore, that you're capable of doing that. And that's part of why they did that forced integration. Like Rule Black said, when they did the Jim Crow laws, a lot of black businesses went under. Black businesses did much better before integration, because they had black customers. The black community stuck to black businesses.
And so they were able to start coming up and keep inside of their own communities, the way that you see, like, a lot of these, immigrant communities will do that. Like, I dated a a Armenian, girl, a Russian girl. And those Russians that come over from Russia, they only drink coffee at the Russian coffee shop. They buy their groceries at the Russian grocery store. They know the owners of every business that they attend and use, and they all only interchange their own money. They don't give outside businesses their money unless they abso fucking lutely have to. And this is the way the black community was, prior to the enforced integration.
And and once the forced integration happened, that whole thing stopped. And now all of a sudden, there is no black businesses. And those things are just dead. And the same thing happened when you look at the women's suffrage movement, women didn't want it. The women's suffrage movement wasn't pushed by women. In fact, women pushed back against the women's suffrage movement more than anybody else. Guys were like, yeah. That's what the women want. Yeah. Okay. And the women are like, fuck no. Fuck no. We are not gonna be political pawns. And that's what they are. It's just political pawns at this point. And a lot of these things that they force through in the name of good are really bad things, and they have not panned out at all.
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So then that brings up, in my mind, this question of, like, harm reduction and, reducing emotional stress. If our government leading up to supreme court having these decisions thinking Roe versus Wade and so called bodily autonomy, all of these women are very concerned about their own health and being legislated for or against back and forth, and the energy that that division creates, forcing women to go and vote on a single issue and not considering things like, well, how's the economy? How how is the working class? Is the wealth of the nation distributed to those people who need it? Is everyone getting what they need to have their basic needs met, or are we going on this threat of violence against taking rights away or giving rights to other church and groups of people for their literally literally for lifesaving procedures. And people always bring up, like, pro life, abortion, murder, these types of things.
I don't understand why our society still pushes back and forth and back and forth on these issues that we've been going back and forth with for how many years now? And is that a good use of elections and concerns and debates? Because these debates are back and forth every single year. It's the same thing. Are there new data points to add to the debate of pro life, pro choice? Are we making progress here? And the government continues to exist and persist because these debates continue to be had and seem to go back and forth in a pendulum. This polarity of blue party, red party, donkey, or elephant in 2024.
We're looking at presidential debates. Doesn't look good. Right? Doesn't look good. So what are we gonna do about it? What is our responsibility?
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Here's the problem. We're in such a overwhelmingly large system. What can we do?
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Exactly.
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We can develop communities like we already are and put our our priorities to the front and I guess and in the long run, maybe start to get off the Internet and just do it all, the old fashioned way if things really do continue to get weirder and worse. If not, I think just having this kind of conversation is a leg up because because a lot of people just don't think about it. We've reached a lot of subjects in a kindhearted way that people are up in arms about. And so then they never if you're pissed off, you can't hear. You know, I can't if we if we get in a big argument today, I don't wanna talk to you about it tonight.
Maybe 2 days, we can look back and decide if we can have perspective on where we were, but not when you're upset. And people are upset all the time about this concept. Polarizing issues. But, I mean, of course, it's by design. Right? They want us to choose a side and not wanna move at all from that side because it gives perfect power to the system. We do that.
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I drive through small town communities, and I see the abortion is murder billboard or, like, pro life portrait. Like, they make that such an issue that art on the sides of streets, on highways, in very rural areas are reminding us of this ongoing issue back and forth. Some of these signs have been there for 20, 30 years. 1 1 of the 1 of the damn problems is is it's not just
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abortion is the problem. And, honestly, it's the probably the 1 largest representative of the division between the masculine and the procreative realm is given to 1 side with 0 recognition given to the other side. So easy examples are in this abortion issue, the man has 0 right in the abortion realm. Now if you're pro abortion, and you feel like you, wanna kill your baby, and, you know, you're a man, and you don't wanna take the responsibility of a child, or you don't like the partner you picked, or whatever your reason is. This isn't my realm. So but inside that realm, I don't know, you know, how I would judge your reasoning because, I mean, it's it's your reasoning. But you've decided that you wanna kill the baby.
I don't get to make any kind of a statement on that, or I can make a statement, but my statement doesn't have any type of real pairing. The woman gets to choose 1 way or the other. Now once that choice is made by her, if I wanted the baby to live, she could easily choose to make it die. If I want the baby to die, she can make it live. And then furthermore, then also hit me up in court, and the court's gonna go right along with it and make sure that I, at this point, basically take care of her and the baby. And in our today's society, the where that I think, again, pre no fault divorce in that type of society, the men should have been forced to take care of their baby. We had a different society where it was usually a man bailing, and that's why those protections were put into place.
But in today's society, we have all kinds of women that will go out, punch out a kid just to hop on to some child support. Or once they punched out a kid, go start fucking around with 12 different guys and and while some dude takes care of them. And, my first my ex wife, her, her, dad owned 2 construction companies and a plow company. Her mom who left him to go, get back into a relationship for as weird as that is with the dude who molested her as a child. A dude that was 20 something years old. Her and he had to pay the mom and her molester boyfriend who was living off of the dad's money, $1500 a month, and this is back in 19 nineties money.
So $1500 a month was more than most people I knew me. That was real good money in 19 nineties. Right. And that was all he didn't get a bit of say so. So, we've set up this hyper imbalance in the procreative system where women get this huge say so in control and men get to just abide by whatever they're told. And so this isn't just the the issue of whether a child's lived or died. There's a whole lot more packed into this that is really driving the subject. So it's really the big driver between the masculine and feminine rift that you're seeing, when you look at, like, the MGTOW movements and things like that. That is their number 1 reasoning for, what they're doing for being MGTOW where men go their own way. Because for them, as soon as you have sex with a woman, not only does she get to be the arbiter of the sexual relations, and even if she regrets that, she gets to come back on you and you get to get in trouble for it.
But she gets to be the arbiter of the procreative piece of it. And some of these guys are just like and I would call them weak men. I'm not on their page, but they're just washing their hands of it. They're like, you know what? If If I've gotta be in this horrible of a position of a game that I can almost not win at this point, I'm not playing.
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I I bring up that issue because it's such a prominent issue in small towns. A lot of the signage in in small towns shows up, but then it's brought up to a federal level. I guess my concern would be that the federal government pushing back and forth and back and forth, repealing laws and Roe versus Wade, making a statement and taking it back, and then that's sort of the threat of it it could disappear at any moment. So now we need a larger authority. We need a a global authority to decide not just for the country, but for every person on Earth. We need 1 authority, and that's moving towards the global governance, which is gonna be something that we need to be considerate of and figure out, well, how do we let them know, no. Thanks. We don't need a global governance to determine the thing that happens in a loving parent's bedroom. Right? So they're trying to legislate on the the biggest level of humanity, like childbirth, and they're so far removed from the day to day life, how do we let them know that, well, we don't need them for that. We can figure this out locally.
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Well, that's what they did though. And that's what the libtards don't wanna understand is is they did move that to a local jurisdiction, where they're saying, no. As a federal whole, we aren't gonna force the situation and say, we get to make a 1 size fits all for everybody. You guys go ahead and decide what you want in each of your areas, which is how it fucking should be. The the federal government and their extreme overreach is insane, and that Roe versus Wade was an extreme overreach, and it was an extreme propaganda place.
The lady who, that entire case revolved around came out later, said she lied about it and that, that entire story has had been concocted for her. And then she came out and changed her story again and again. This lady was fucking crazy. And, its entire all of it was just bullshit. And it was all set up in this giant propaganda piece to get people to think emotionally because emotions fucking you you can convince a person to do anything no matter how horrible it is as long as it's emotionally driven. That's how you end up with fucking word of the flies. That's that's forcing voters under this sort of threat of duress,
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bodily harm, and removal of physical autonomy to go to the the voting booth and continue to support the system that threatens to take their rights away or grant them certain rights. And that's sort of where we're looking at this failure of local governments, failure of state governments, failure of federal governments to say that the corruption is too great. So we need to remove humans from the equation and have some sort of computer system algorithm running on a global level to make these decisions because humans just can't seem to make the decisions for themselves. And maybe humans become at some point, close to extinction, or we'd have certain, I don't know, bloodlines or genetic types or phenotypes or or certain types of people that are on the endangered list.
So then the government of, of the galactic government would have to step in to say, well, we need to protect certain races, species, whatever those types of you know what I mean? People look different. We can determine that there's different qualities about them, so we need to protect them and then encourage them to breed or bring them to the laboratory. And then lab grown babies, we need to forcefully remove egg and sperm from those people who refuse to reproduce to keep the species alive, to keep the human zoo going. Is that where we're heading with this sort of debate on abortion and birthrights and things?
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Well, the only current, country that is even close to replacement rate for the western world right now is Israel. And Israel gives out free, artificial inseminations and all that in order to attempt to achieve that.
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Wow. I don't know if it's Brave New World or 1 of those old novels talking about the future in which governments would control birth and have these test tube babies
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raising their new babies. They they decant all of the children in jars, and they add particular, chemicals or concoctions to, categorize them into the CAST system. They're like so they'll intentionally give you fetal alcohol people touch fetal alcohol syndrome so that you're not, you know, 1 click up from where you're supposed to be.
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Kinda like The Giver too.
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I never read that 1. I just need to go read that 1.
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It's a horror horror story.
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And I would have That is why I never read it. It's a punishment.
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I would agree birth control probably is the first big horrible step toward transhumanism and toward the the negative birth cycle that we're in now. Definitely, the the idea of sex without consequences because we aren't pot punching out kids with it is, you know, he our biggest fucking problem in the world today is we refuse to see the results of the things that we've done. Just like I was talking about earlier, where generations now as a society, we generally don't spank kids. That that has become, an ex a very rare person that is still doing that.
And we've watched the behaviors of kids just extraordinarily degrade. Now, yes, there's certain parents that haven't had to spank their kids, but then there's certain parents that have the good child, you know, and I'm talking about that Macaulay Culkin movie, you know, where that kid's what the fuck. Yeah. You know? And just because you haven't had that kid, that don't mean that you get to fucking orbit, you know, be the arbiter of, oh, I've never had to spend my little angel. But good for you. Good for fucking you. What about the kid that fucking runs around killing all the neighborhood cats and crazy ass shit like that that doesn't care? What about that kid?
Like, you know, I'm glad he's not your kid. Lucky you. Like, I have 7 of them, and out of 7 kids, they have vastly different personalities and required vastly different treatments. And guess what? I got 8 fucking grandkids. And I got 8 vastly different personalities. And they require vastly different treatment.
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In my imagination, or did a train go by? I thought I heard it twice tonight. That yeah. That's me. Okay. I just don't wanna switch to Tracy anymore. I'm willing to risk looking insane. Oh, no. That's the that's the freedom that's the freedom train that's left the station, and you don't have a ticket to ride. That's why I put out my tent. I had got my ticket. I put I put on my shit. Let freedom I actually had a I had a handkerchief tied right around the Eagles snout earlier so that he looked like the organized gangster that America really is, you know. You know things are getting bad when the Bald Eagles are gonna stick you up.
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The US 13 instead of the MS 13?
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It's it's the Eagles. Just like Tolkien only. They're they're like, screw it. We We're not representing you guys anymore. Give us your shit. Doctor Pockets. Let's see what you got. Better not be the ones, buddy.
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We're celebrating. Parenting
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has gotten worse because we parents do too fucking much.
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Yeah. We're saying
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think about all the people that won't acknowledge still to this day, 10 years later after they've proven that Roundup causes all this stuff, and there's still people out there spraying it, buying it, selling it. Like,
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that's 1 of the worst ones. Like They had no bad sued so hard that they had to fucking merge with Bayer. Yeah.
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Yeah. That's where we're at. 248 years into America's life here. The the the birth of the founding of the u the US of A and the founding principles of freedom. And we're in America. We can sell whatever foods we want. Looking at fireworks, you try and you try and tell people not to use those, certain fireworks that launch things that are rockets that propel things that could be used as weapons. But, you know, China's gonna keep manufacturing them, shipping them over. They're gonna sell.
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And Los Angeles was It interesting how China's killed the gunpowder people? Yes. All these years later?
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I do have that slide to bring up if we wanna talk about fireworks and the and the, mineral compositions of these fireworks and how they match other certain lines in the sky and clouds, seeding, this sort of thing.
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Like to see that. Definitely.
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Here's here's the problem, Zephyr. If you're not 1 of them, why are you getting offended? That's the real problem. That's where our society stands. They wanna be like, oh, there's exceptions. There is exceptions to every rule. And if you're the exception, don't get offended. Like, when I'm in a group of people and somebody, like, says something like, oh, hey. You racist? I don't go. Me? Because I'm not fucking racist, so I don't care. Like, I don't know who the hell you're talking about over here. Where's that racist? Yeah. And I was if if it's not you, don't worry about it. Understand that in every situation, there are exceptions.
You can't run a society off of 6 exceptions. It's just not how it works.
[03:19:31] Unknown:
Oh, it goes back to the what we started to read earlier, the fallacies. You know? It's it's it's 1 of the fallacies to use the exception as the argument because it it it invalidates and makes the discussion dishonest or no longer on point as soon as you focus on the exception because the exception is mathematically meaningless. It doesn't matter. You know? What's important is the actual thing. Exception
[03:20:02] Unknown:
used to not be able to take care of themselves, so we started catering to the exceptions. And now the exceptions are the rule because no motherfuckers can take care of themselves anymore, and we're on the way to a society where the takers are overtaking the producers. That don't ever work out.
[03:20:25] Unknown:
I gave you a better reset. White out.
[03:20:32] Unknown:
Celebrating our freedoms by putting gunpowder into the air.
[03:20:38] Unknown:
In metal.
[03:20:40] Unknown:
In metal. Yeah. Yeah. And I wonder if after this exposure that people face with these fireworks displays, the minerals in the air, the smoke, the loud noise, the trauma associated with the heavy base boom just hitting the chest and feeling that if people in the next few days are starting to feel a little ill and a little like, flu like symptoms. Wonder if this mineral exposure is gonna have anything to do with that as they're talking about, you know, another wave of something that could be real, real upsetting to immune systems across the, US of A and probably everywhere else, this pandemic situation taking our freedoms away.
[03:21:36] Unknown:
So so you mean, strontium and barium and aluminum aren't great to breathe? I the community should be shocked by that. Because it says right there, red strontium and bury them on, bury them there on green, you know, purple and silver. Got some you got some aluminum and silver, some more strontium on purple. Well, shit. Don't we talk about that?
[03:22:08] Unknown:
We need to make the clouds more white in the sky. So let's get some more burning metals, magnesium, aluminum, titanium. But, also, let's, let's use urea from urine in, seed our clouds with that as well. Let's put all sorts of chemicals.
[03:22:25] Unknown:
Shocking how many things urea is in. That is You know what? Once you get a big cup of it and just chug it. Nobody would think of that.
[03:22:37] Unknown:
When we're back to talking about choking piss for health No. We're not. Because that works just okay. No. No. No. We don't need to drink it. It's it's in the air. It's in the clouds. It's in the water. We drink a lot. Interesting. Yeah. So all the accusations we've heard over the years of them saying they're just pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining, Turns out it's actually true. Is that what you're trying to tell me?
[03:22:59] Unknown:
That literal trick around economics.
[03:23:03] Unknown:
Damn. I didn't want that 1 to be true, you guys. That's that's kind of must be up here. A fortune a fortune in the sky.
[03:23:12] Unknown:
Golden towers. Bittersweet celebration. To be poisoned at your own party.
[03:23:21] Unknown:
Well, what about Danny Trail? What's he think about fireworks?
[03:23:25] Unknown:
Oh, what did what happened to Danny?
[03:23:28] Unknown:
Is he in a movie? I thought he he sucked somebody up, didn't he? He got hit by the run a little run a little test usually if you don't know someone real well. See if you can find out real quick if they're an ex con, and if they are, treat them differently than everyone else. That's my advice to you. Treat them with the utmost respect like it's your grandma or something. And that way, they'll keep you safe from the ex con. Yeah. Who may have a code of ethics and morals and little secret things that they consider to be so valuable that you weren't thinking about that you honestly you could die.
[03:24:04] Unknown:
Yeah. You, you know, it's it's an interesting thing because you look at guys that are used to dealing with things and taking matters into their own hands and you start noticing that, substantial amount of those guys are. And then, the people that are more fitting into civilization, well, they just would have sat there and, well, shit. I'll wait for a cop. Yeah. You know? We'll call the cops. We'll get some we'll get some courtship going. You know? So you gotta understand those guys that are used to taking things and dealing with things on their own of their own accord, you can't get that stupid with those guys. They aren't gonna wait. They aren't gonna call the cops. They're not gonna get somebody else. They are gonna deal with it right here, right now.
Unfortunately, Danny Trejo is pretty fucking old, real old.
[03:24:54] Unknown:
So Yeah. Probably shouldn't be fighting.
[03:24:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Probably shouldn't be fighting anymore there, Danny. You maybe ought to, let, maybe 1 of the grandkids or great grandkids or I mean, generations little you got going on. Maybe I'll let them deal with it next time. But I think he won the fight,
[03:25:13] Unknown:
actually.
[03:25:16] Unknown:
No. Beat up the machete. No. He got his ass kicked. He took a he took a poke at that dude. That dude ducked it and barely hit the top of his head and ate shit and got up and picked up a folding chair like the WWF style and tried to hit the it was hitting the dude with, like, 1 of them Walmart freaking big fold up like that and you go into a little bag. Like, oh, dude. Not only are you gonna get hit with actually using a weapon, it was an ineffective weapon. What the fuck's wrong with you?
[03:25:53] Unknown:
It doesn't work in wrestling.
[03:25:56] Unknown:
It's all taken in person.
[03:25:59] Unknown:
Man, I remember when I discovered how bad even just the regular metal folding chairs are as a weapon. Is this kid named Jeff Cox? And I I I moved to Barnard in 3rd grade and went there in 3rd 4th grade. And Jeff Cox had failed 2 times already, and he actually failed a 3rd time, but his brother Jason was that that was gonna put them 2 in the same grade, and they're like, hell no. We're not having both these 2 crazy fucks on the same grade. That'll just that'll just keep torturous for everybody else. So they started graduating Jeff even though he was essentially brain dead. Like, some but he was.
So, anyways, 1 day then so these guys, I was the new kid, and they would pick on me. And I could beat Jason up who was my age, but I could not come close to Jeff. Well, Jason would provoke a fight. And as soon as I started getting the better of Jason, I'd get on top of him. Jeff Jeff would pull me from the side like a fucking bit like a damn pole, and that was it for me. I was toast at that point. And then the 2 of them were just kicking my ass. And, yeah. So 1 day, in the classroom, the teacher's not there, and Jeff starts picking on me. And I look over, and I'd watched a bunch of AW WWF wasn't even a thing back then, really. And it was AWA, Vernegano fucking wrestling with the with the Rockers and the Claw, Barrett by Raschke, and all those guys.
And I look over and there's a steel folding chair and there's fucking Jeff Cox. I'm like, yeah, motherfucker. Yeah. Today is my day. And I freaking just give it to him. I played baseball and everything. And Oh, no. And he laughed. And I inside my little heart, I was like, you know, he became Yeah. Oh, man. Man, he laughed at you? That's not yeah. Chris, you gotta run now. Now you gotta run fast. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm in real deep trouble. It's all bad. My secret weapon was absolutely ineffective. I did not know that the secret weapon was actually the problem that hitting people with a folding chair does not do anything.
[03:28:20] Unknown:
Well, I know use it. Right?
[03:28:23] Unknown:
Yeah. That's use it because, yeah, because it looks
[03:28:26] Unknown:
like something, but it doesn't do nothing. That's why they do that. I mean, if you if you hold it just right with the kind of the diagonal way and aim with the legs or the top corner of the steel bar. You know, you could probably hit somebody with it. You know? But it would be easy. That's not how you do it wrestling. You hit them with the big wide part. Yeah. You know, like I got to see him do that 1 time. 1 time, that would be funny as soon as he grabbed the chair and actually went. Damn.
[03:28:54] Unknown:
Wounded the hard way. The corner right into their throat. Yeah. That's how fake steel chairs are, buddy.
[03:29:00] Unknown:
So, boy, that looks personal. Right? That doesn't look like the normal acting either.
[03:29:08] Unknown:
Well, I'm about to fold like a chair. So
[03:29:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm just gonna done myself here, but if you ever say, guys, you're about to time. Yep. Bye, crow. Bye.
[03:29:20] Unknown:
I waved. I don't know why.
[03:29:23] Unknown:
1 time, 1 time I saw Mark Macho Man Randy Savage get kicked hard in the face on accident at a live wrestling match, so that was pretty fascinating. Big remember big black black Bart? Remember that guy black Bart? Yeah. Really tall guy who wore he wore dusters on a cowboy hat. And, there was tag team wrestling, and he threw Macho Man into the ropes and he put up his big boot, you know, like, sticks his foot way up in the air like they do. And the timing was off or something because Macho Man got kicked hard in the face, and you could hear it and see it. You know, we were in the cheap seats, but you could tell. Like, that's like, that wasn't right. That's not what they usually do. And he fell down and he rolled out of the ring and he tried to shake it off and he tried to shake it off, and he marched around to where the guy with the bell was and he grabbed the microphone and started yelling and cussing and making a dust up on the microphone for, like, almost a minute probably, maybe a little bit longer. And then he finally got back to there and kept wrestling, but I always thought that was pretty fascinating.
Like, he had to he had really had to improvise some recovery time because he got kicked hard.
[03:30:25] Unknown:
We're seeing the gagas.
[03:30:28] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not the way that's supposed to work. And, yeah, the same thing. Down hard and rolled out of the ring. I mean, you know, I don't want Black Bars boot coming to be the wrong timing. It's a Bigfoot. It's gotta be, like, a 14. It's a big old dude.
[03:30:41] Unknown:
What's his name? Terry Bradshaw. Was that his name? Oh,
[03:30:45] Unknown:
that's football.
[03:30:46] Unknown:
Oh, that was the football guy? What the fuck was his name? It was something similar to that. He was a big dude.
[03:30:56] Unknown:
Haven't thought about black Bart for not yet.
[03:31:01] Unknown:
Terry on my wayward son. Yeah. Are we teaching where hold on. Let your weary head to rest. Don't get spanked no more.
[03:31:16] Unknown:
Good night.
Introduction and StreamYard Features
4th of July Celebrations and Fireworks
Guest Introduction: John Rollins
Discussion on Nuts and Personalities
Fireworks and Neighborhood Celebrations
Weather Patterns and Dams
Introduction of John Rollins and Natural Freedom League
Debate Channels and Social Issues
Masculinity and Debate Culture
Cultural Shifts and Societal Changes
Historical Perspectives on Governance
Land Ownership and Voting Rights
Mental Health and Gender Differences
Debate on Feminism and Occultism
Marriage, State, and Personal Autonomy
Tribal Systems and Governance
Education and Morality
Harm and Punishment in Society
Parenting and Responsibility
Fireworks and Environmental Impact
Global Governance and Personal Rights