wsw 241 Mario Garza Symbolic Studies

Says we're live.

We're live.

Happy happy Saturday.

It is a happy Saturday.

It's alive.

It's a full moon Saturday.

And with us, it's Mario.

Mario is here.

It's me indeed.

What's up, Mario?

Not much, man. Thanks for having me, guys.

Yeah. Thanks for coming.

Thanks for coming. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

We are, tonight, we get to play with Mario who's been on absolute fire the last,

oh, at least 6 months. He's just been absolutely killing it out there and putting out some fire presentations

and, just throwing down the information gauntlet. And

we'd like to check-in with him and,

discuss some of it with him because it's absolutely amazing.

Awesome. Thanks for that, man.

Yeah. This will be fun.

Yeah.

And my dogs are banging around right now.

I got some mail that I thought maybe we'd start. Some,

stuff at the post office box showed up.

So,

first one would be

this is

a white package.

Let's see what it is.

Just shake it first. That's why he did that one first. If it was a black package, he would have made it go to the back. Does it sound like Legos?

Sounds like, yeah,

something.

It's it's in the priority mailbox.

Oh, I love those boxes.

Packaging.

Gotta keep it secret. Keep it safe. Oh,

wow.

It's reflecting

too much, Jim. There you go. Is that physical media?

The physical media, this is the peanut butter solution.

Tilt the bottom up a little bit, Jim. Tilt the bottom in. There you go. There you go. There we go. That's the solution we need.

Yeah.

Solution.

This movie is so good.

This is a prize pool. There's there's a way to win that prize tonight.

There is a way.

It's possible.

So what's up with this movie? I've never heard of it.

You've never heard of the peanut butter solution?

No. I've heard of the final solution, not the peanut butter solution. The peanut butter solution is before the final solution.

Has to do with childhood

and

hair growth and

puberty and those types of phases.

Interesting. Okay. All those things.

We don't want to be a spoiler.

Right? Right. We don't wanna ruin the movie. There's something to be said about experiencing.

It's the type of film

that is just not made anymore.

The type of child's

film

that

would just terrify people,

but also intrigue them,

leaving a lasting impression.

The way childhood should be exciting and dangerous.

And embarrassing

perhaps. Embarrassing. Yes.

Imaginative.

All those,

blessed teenage emotions.

Oh, god. I definitely don't wanna watch this. No.

I I'm so far past teenage emotions. All my kids have done went past their teenage emotions.

I'm good. They it's

I'm down to grandkids. I know that they have emotions. I just don't know. It is a timeless film. It is outside of space and time,

very imaginative.

It's the type of film that inspires a whole new generation of artists.

Gotcha. Right on.

Sounds horrible.

Well, I'm glad we're not a movie review show.

Well, I think we'll we'll save, the mail for next episode. Another piece of mail. Love that. I have a letter also that I've been saving, but I was gonna save that for when we do not have a guest.

Because tonight is gonna be I'm super excited to talk to Mario and,

anybody that missed his presentation yesterday, that was, that was

fantastic also,

and would like to discuss some of that. But,

What's the name of the presentation for people who are gonna look for it?

Yeah. It's called the rising sun esoteric solar symbolism.

Beautiful.

Give it a go.

Way better evening than I am.

I think we got a name for our stream tonight.

We do have a name.

It's hashtag wsw241,

solar symbolic

euphorbiahelioscopia

chrislam.

Nice. Did I say that last word correctly?

Inshallah.

In in Inshallah.

I don't know. We don't I don't know.

Let's just play this intro and

see. Rock Band, it's Mario Garza Pools and Holes.

Nice.

That's appropriate.

Yeah. Wait for that. You're beautiful. Cool. See you guys in a bit.

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We're talking about the future, folks,

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Forget that Neuralink hooey that's just chrome plated snake oil for the gullible.

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So what's the big cheese in this cosmic fandango?

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Think of it like this folks. The universe is a cosmic joke and we're the punch line.

So let's be the funniest punch line this side of the Andromeda galaxy.

Sing show tunes to your toaster, tell knock knock jokes to the vacuum cleaner,

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And remember, the only thing funnier than a controlled society

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Now go out there and make the cosmos giggle.

So that's a quick one.

Are we all back now

from all that sunshine exposure?

Here we are.

It's, nice to be brainwashed by your guys' intros once again.

Shout out to, dendritic

fractals, I think. I never said that out loud.

Dendritic fractals for helping

with some of that putting it together.

Nice.

And,

SpongeBob. For good and for bad, the intro is entirely

on Marcus.

I love it. You you guys have come out with some bangers.

Partially.

Partially. Partially. Over time, it's

I just hit the play button sometimes. It all comes together. There's a whole community of people contributing

to the ongoing memes.

Totally. Totally.

Pretty sure that was the intro to the Teletubbies

somewhere in there. But Mhmm.

It's a sunshine baby.

Right? That's

I was just thinking, you know, sunshine being associated with humor and laughter and light and love and all these good

feelings and to have a little bit of optimism going into the future.

I've never been

And on the sun card, you're always gonna see, a little baby. Usually, a baby on a horse

holding a flag, or you're gonna see 2 children in front of a brick wall.

So, definitely, there's this childlike quality to the sun. At least that's kind of, the tradition, I think,

in a lot of places, but I know there's obviously differences of opinion here when it comes to, you know, all of the luminaries and everything. Right?

Very true.

Definitely. We see eye we see eye to eye a whole lot,

Mario.

Right. Right. Yeah. Totally.

Is this why you're wearing a yellow hoodie, Alan?

Are you that little sun baby all grown up? Yeah. Just,

haven't haven't seen the sun in a while. It's it's a full moon.

Saturday, February 24th

over here.

So trying to bring in that sunshine knowing that it's

still February.

Say that, Mario? Because Christy accused him of being the guy behind the sun.

They're at that one part,

and they're it looked like the sun was a mask, and she's like, is that is that

Alan Marcus?

It could just be, Cornholio

too, but you never know.

Oh, yeah. There you go.

So there's a baby on that white horse. Is that baby Jesus on a white horse?

On the sun card?

I don't know. Some people might think that perhaps.

Solar Christ or polar Christ? You know, that's what I was getting into last night.

Mhmm.

Very interesting how a lot of these world's religions

tie

symbolism together.

But what came first? The formality and the organization of the religion or the the symbol itself.

Mhmm.

Right. Right. I mean, at the end of the day, the symbology is representative

of something that they see

happening in the real world.

And

Mario and I see absolutely eye to eye on

the on the

polar aspect of it that the poll

was the,

actual original

first son, the god

figure, and everything else is derivative of that,

including our son now.

It was

super interesting,

The concept that possibly the sun

is driven by Polaris.

You touched on that a bit last night.

So that's pretty that's pretty,

pretty interesting.

And,

honestly,

almost the opposite of what you see some of

the,

more Aryan

driven,

researchers talk about where it's the black sun and it's being,

driven from underneath.

And so that's that's pretty,

fascinating, rather

opposite take on it. Hi, Lumpkins. No. No. Step on my keyboard. Step. Stop.

Stop. The whole idea that may maybe we're overemphasizing

solar worship. Maybe the sun is getting too much spotlight

time, and there's

a sense of needing,

wholeness, holistic

approach to all the symbols.

That was an important point.

And you've looked at a lot of different symbols, and now you're looking at the sun. You finding kind of a balance between all these symbols now?

Yeah.

I mean, to me, what it seems like is just,

there were the way I've been putting it, the way I put it in my presentation, and I've been talking about it like this lately is that it seems to me, and there's a few authors that I've been following,

and really trying to digest their work, that suggests that there was absolutely a huge transfer

from polar symbolism,

which aligns with geocentrism

and is more holistic.

Right?

And then there was a great transition to a solarized

sort of world, a solarized age.

And so a lot of deities that were considered polar in nature

became

solar in nature.

There is something to be said about a transitional age, though, that's lunar as well. So a polar age, which sometimes people refer to this as, like, a stellar age,

the primordial tradition,

the northern tradition.

I think in the occult world too, it's essentially the Tifonian and Draconian tradition. It's the same thing. There's this northern correspondence with all of this stuff.

And, a lot of the authors that I've been reading,

you know, that are really steeped in that world, like, Kenneth Grant or Peter Lavenda,

They acknowledge a lot of this stuff too, so it's amazing how much

polar northern symbolism,

is out there in that world, at least.

And so

I see it that a lot of symbolism today, you know, kinda has a primordial origin or has a northern origin. So when you start seeing that,

you kind of can't not see it everywhere personally. You know? So,

some people refer to, like, the quartered circle. So, right, the circle with the cross, I talked about this last night, as like a sun wheel.

Now I see the solar symbolism, the solar correspondence there, but,

I see more strongly a polar correspondence.

Right? So it's almost like a wheel, the hub of a wheel having that axle right there in the middle that the wheel actually revolves around. Right? So that's a that's a polar sort of idea. That's an axial symbol. So that's the other thing too that I've learned over time, right, is that,

polar symbolism is axial symbolism.

And so the idea that there is a central

sort of, immutable

point,

a changeless center that things revolve around, basically.

And so once you kind of wrap your head around some of this stuff,

I I just kind of see it everywhere. So it's like, to me, I see everything kinda has a common origin,

essentially. And it's more northern and it's more polar and and things like that. So I look at it kinda like a world tree, to be honest with you. So a huge massive world tree

or even, I've been entertaining this idea,

and this is kind of an eastern thing. Like, in India, this is kind of a bigger concept, but, like, a world river, basically.

Right? The world tree or world river.

And no matter how big this tree is,

no matter how many branches there are,

right,

you might be talking about a leaf or a fruit or a, flower on the world tree or the end of a root or something like that that's really, really,

small

and, almost hair like, but it all goes back to the same trunk. It all goes back to the same system. Right? And it all came from one small little seed. And so I kinda see that,

symbolism,

you know, essentially

kinda has this common root, has this common origin, and it's more polar in nature.

So, really, it it's like the gift that keeps on giving, honestly. And I know, honestly, I saw you guys last time at,

Flattoberfest.

Yeah. You know, to me, I almost feel like the polar symbolism.

This might be really,

I don't know,

arrogance or I could be incredibly biased here. But the polar symbolism to me in this aspect really,

I feel like it's an evolution of my sort of geocentric research, basically. It's where it's kind of taken me. So when I look at the origins of why I got interested in some of the northern polar stuff, it has to do with that, for

sure.

Are you seeing any sort of symbolism related to

the sun

and keeping time? It seems like during these long winter months where you don't see a whole lot of sun, and then the time just seems to go real fast or real slower. It's it's it's hard to keep track of

time and missing time

when we're not seeing the sun.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Definitely.

And so

what I've learned or seems like it makes a lot of sense that

if there was a pull to the year

that it would be the, solstice,

the solstice,

dates.

So it'd be the summer solstice and the winter solstice,

And the winter solstice actually corresponds

with the north as well, which is really interesting and makes a lot of sense. Right? Because essentially,

Christmas is a winter solstice holiday,

and Santa comes from the North Pole.

We're talking about Capricorn then, which means we're talking about Saturn. I did a couple of videos,

with my fiancee, Michelle,

called the, lost lore of Saturn, and I talked about the sort of polar

origins of Saturn symbolism

as well and how there's a lot of polar symbolism related to him

or them. That's the other thing I kind of talk about too a little bit is the idea that Saturn

ruled the last golden age. This is what's been said by a handful of people, researchers, authors, things like that. And there's something to be said about Saturn also too having,

a crone like sort of aspect to it, a feminine aspect,

which I think is kind of largely lost.

But when we're talking about Saturn and Capricorn, we're talking about the goat, and that goat, you know, climbs the mountain. This is the central mountain. You know? This would be Mount Meru or whatever.

And so it's kind of this traditional sort of thing to align, the winter solstice with the north, and that that would be kind of the symbolic pull,

you know, of the year from, winter solstice to the summer solstice.

And, actually, I think it's interesting too that this is pretty close to January 1st. Right? The Gregorian,

Normie,

New Year.

And

my understanding is that this actually used to be the really old ancient new year as well.

But with heliocentrism

and more of a solar worship,

thing kind of taking off, that it was actually adjusted

to be, the spring equinox,

the beginning of, right, Aries season. And so this lines up with more of a solar sort of

symbolic framework, I would say. And, of course, astrology, the zodiac,

we're talking about a solar based system because you're talking about

the ecliptic, the path of the sun, and the constellations around the path of the sun.

But yeah. And then, of course, in the north too, I mean, just the idea of, these really long,

you know, summers and winters where you get a lot of light or or very little light, I think, is pretty interesting.

But, yeah, this looks familiar. This has been stuff. Right?

Yeah.

And so when you talk about,

and when the people talk about the different ages,

when we look at this,

naturally,

we have

Saturn and, Uranus

that are offset from each other,

and that makes one era.

And I think that this is actually something I put a lot of thought into this.

Is when you look at heathen lore,

we're in the 3rd era.

The first era, there's a different sun and a moon.

Specifically

and they call that the golden time of the gods.

Specifically

that sun and moon have a tail.

And they're chased they're chased by wolves.

And the the story is is during the end of that era,

the golden time of the gods,

that the wolves

caught the sun and moon,

and then there's 3 days of darkness,

and then a different

sun and moon come back.

Okay?

So if we look at this if we look at this and we understand that the tree of life is going right up to the dead center of that. And what we're seeing is

with what I've got sketched out there is is, the outsides of the Veska Pisces where the where the outside edges

are gonna be. And so if I take and I switch this to my, oh, shit. I gotta switch over to this,

to the tree of life,

then,

you can see the same thing happens, and the planets are just on these outsides of these 3 diamonds. The blue diamond, the yellow diamond, and the red diamond there.

So

if we assume then that the golden age was there,

then the second age, which was the the twilight

of the gods,

where you would have Mars and Venus

as the

head of the pantheon.

And then we would now move up to the head here

where it would be the sun and the moon or the anode and the cathode

that we're now experiencing.

I don't know

that the humans that we are today

experienced these other time periods.

Because after,

the twilight of the gods,

the way that that's explained

is that Odin hides Leif and Leifrasir

in the mud.

Now the way I take that

is is our DNA is hidden in the mud. And you see, like, in areas that have been extraordinarily

drought ridden,

when they be

start having an extended period of moisture,

when the life comes back, it doesn't come back a little bit.

It comes back there's entire

full developed civilizations of things

that are having babies and everything else. Like, that that was just in there.

Matt Powers talks about that with,

different permaculture things, the way that works.

Where when the conditions are right, things just start taking life.

But this would be the 3 different eras.

And these 2 are the era this is the golden time of the gods. This is the fall of the gods, and then this one would be the era of era of man,

which we would current currently be in. And that's kind of the way I've been taking that when they talk about Saturn was at one point in time, the

sun. Does that mean that people were here? I'm I'm not disagreeing with the concept,

but were humans here at that point in time or, you know, is this just something that they figured out in a cult?

Like

Right. Right. Yeah. I I can't really say. I have no idea. And that one specifically too,

the Saturn

being the sun,

that's not kind of my hill to die on or anything. I just think it's it's pretty interesting, especially too when you look at Saturn.

There's so much solar stuff kinda going on with it even when you just look at Saturn from, like, a top down perspective. Right? You have the rings of Saturn, and then you've got the planet. Well, that's the circumpunct.

You know, that's the symbol for the sun, at least what most people kinda go by right now.

I wonder too. It's like

if Saturn was the original pole star, you know. I don't know. I kind of think about this

kind of, ring land sort of system or structure, and I think about, like, the growth rings of a tree or I think about,

you know, how pebbles,

pebbles, how ripples are formed if you throw, like, a pebble in, like, a pond or whatever.

And so kind of just this structure of, something kind of, like,

growing from the center and expanding out. It makes me wonder if

do the planets do that? Does Earth do that? You know, do things come from the center and then expand outward?

You know, people have had different ideas like this. So, yeah, it's a good question, man. I I can't really say fits into the same scenario. I'm just wording it slightly different or it's operating slightly different, but it's the same concept.

The ring thing,

you had an original sun and moon.

And in inside that ring,

you're basically gods. Like, the sun that they're experiencing isn't the sun that the second ring is experiencing

nor the 3rd ring. You know? And the ones in that first ring,

again, you know, the golden time of the gods where they're just building the world just woo, willy nilly, just doing whatever, throwing power around. Right?

Yeah. You know?

And now we're in this

3rd ring

of it where we're now,

you know, that much separation

from, you know, ostensibly the power zone.

Like, you know, so we we have this kind

of twilight, this, you know, drag dregs of what they were experiencing.

Mhmm. Mhmm. Right. Right. So the main thing though is this 3 tiered age system. Right?

That's really fascinating.

Some are way too complicated for me personally, and I can't I'm not the type of person where

I feel like I can throw out historical dates and be confident with that. Some researchers are very much like that. However many years ago this happened,

you know, blah blah blah. And it's just like, I cannot commit to that because I don't even know what's going on right now.

So how can I say what happened a 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago, whatever?

But this 3 tiered structure of the ages, it it just, resonates with me quite a bit for sure. So I like that.

100%. And then it's just gonna keep recycling itself.

And then even when you look at, say, the

Indian age where it seems like they have 6, no. It's 2 bronzes, 2 golds Oh, yeah. And

2. So really because

and, again, if you if I bring up the picture, if instead of looking at it as 3 vesicles, you look at it as 2 snakes and you look at it as a singular

side. You'd hit over here, here, and here, 123,

123. You know, you go

like that.

It's same concept.

You know, it's interesting too. One of the things I pointed out last night is

and I always reference

the,

quote, unquote, masonic pillars. Right? So there's a a solar pillar, a lunar pillar, and then there's that middle pillar, which I think is stellar or polar essentially,

and it lines up with this perfectly too. Okay. And there's some masonic tracing boards

where they will show the

solar pillar,

closer to the viewer. So it's in the foreground.

And then just behind that is the lunar pillar, and then just behind that is the stellar,

pillar or the polar,

age, You know? And this lines up perfectly

with this whole entire concept,

in that the oldest tradition is more polar. The most recent tradition is solar.

And I don't think I said this

live yet tonight, but, this lines up perfectly with the tarot system too, with the star card, moon card, and sun card. I think they're talking about 3 different great ages, symbolic ages. I see the star card as being the stellar polar age. It's really interesting that that star,

not all the time, but oftentimes it's 7 pointed

or it's 8 pointed with 7 smaller stars around it. This to me reminds me of Ursa Major, you know, in a in a pretty major way.

And then you have the moon card and then you have the sun card. And as we talked about, the sun card has that child

on it. Right? And so this kind of implies that the solarization of things, the solarized world, the solar age,

potentially,

the heliocentric

paradigm,

you know, is a younger paradigm basically, that there are older gods than the sun. You know? And I think that's kind of one of the main things I wanted to hit on last night is that this idea of solar worship is more of a a modern sort of thing,

Or I think when ancients referred to the sun, they were actually referring to something that was more northern along the world axis, potentially the pole star itself. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, maybe, Ben, you know about this. I even think that Lucas has claimed in his research that literally the sun used to be the word for the pole star or something along these lines. Right?

Yeah.

See. And and for me, I'm kinda with him, kinda not.

Real quick, Angela,

Sarah g made us some most excellent coffee cake.

So Nice. For Sarah g. That's what I mean.

I think

it's bad translations

is what we got going on here. So, like, even when, like, when you look at, like, this one of the ones that most people are aware of is Greek. That the you've got Apollo, who's the sun, and you got Helios,

who's the sun.

Well,

I think this is just a bad understanding

over and over. They just keep saying, well, yeah, that's just they're just saying the sun again. And I think that that's just really bad translation

and not understanding the moves between the ages.

I think that originally,

the Helios and the whole reason that there's another fucking word for it is because it was something else.

Like,

in Helios,

the sun that they originally talked about, not Apollo,

who was around when they did things like, and and so so this is super interesting. Because during the Helios time,

they didn't have,

like, colors,

sounds, any of that kind of thing. Think about

that. Think about that.

Apollo,

the first thing Mercury did

was when he woke up as a baby, when he was born on his first day, he stole Apollo's cattle,

which is and their horns filled with gold and took them to the earth. That's the sunlight.

The the rays of the sun. And when he came back, he brought the liar

that had the 7 different notes, the 7 chakras, the 7 differences. There was only

a in there was only,

you know,

1 and 0 before that, and he

created all them layers in between and brought that as a present to the gods. And then because of that, was then given the staff, which allowed him to shepherd the sunlight back and forth to the earth. Blah blah blah. So

all of that is much later than the story of Helios.

So during the time of Helios,

there isn't sound, there isn't light. There are there might be light, but it's not the different variable shades of light. They didn't have the different colors.

They maybe light was just white.

And so when they talk about at different times that there wasn't different colors didn't even exist,

maybe they didn't.

That we you know? And I'm not saying humans even experienced this. It's just a cult understandings that I think some people are taking and assuming that humans were there for all those things.

But a lot of these things, I think we're talking about the primordial periods of the gods

when all these things were becoming fractals.

Mhmm.

Mhmm. Interesting. Thank you for that, man. That's fascinating.

There's a couple things that I wasn't aware of, but makes perfect sense with my awareness of of the symbolism and mythology and whatever, what what I do understand.

So one of the things with Mercury Hermes

is that

heavily associated with the phallus, heavily associated with the pole or post, I've talked about this before,

I see

them as a,

as a polar deity essentially,

and so that's why I think Mercury

is, you know, one of the planets or one of the deities that a lot of magicians and wizards and stuff favor.

This is why I think the the magician card, the number 1 I'm I'm pretty convinced at this point personally that the one literally

is the oneness of, the world axis,

So when he, you know, is referred to as a psychopomp, conductor of souls, or whatever, how he gets from point a to point b is this world axis.

And, we'll talk about it a little bit because I know,

Ben, you had mentioned it,

on on Instagram in our, private chats, but maybe discussing,

Doth, you know, the the hidden Sephiroth of the tree of life and how that corresponds with the north and how that lies on that middle pillar

as well.

And so the staff that last night. I was loving it. Nice. Nice. Yeah.

So he corresponds with the staff or the caduceus

as well. Right? The wand,

is a world axis symbol. The the magician is holding his hand up above him with the wand pointing to the sky and then one hand below. In my opinion, he's essentially saying, there you go. Nice. You know, I I connect the above and the below. I separate the above and the below. That's what the world axis does, in my opinion.

That's kind of what the mythology suggests.

And so it's interesting to me because you brought up this idea of the rays. Right? The rays of the sun. I didn't even really get into this last night because I felt like it would have been too much of a tangent or whatever.

But one of my favorite authors right now who I've just been, you know, kind of waxing poetic about, is Rene Guenon.

So he's a French author. Awesome.

Yeah. You've looked at him?

Excellent. Excellent.

Yeah. It's amazing stuff, dude. I'm, like, completely blown away.

I kind of slightly in in a way, I really I don't care, but, I kinda regret not getting into him sooner because

some of my favorite symbolic books would make reference to him in the footnotes and everything.

And it took me years to finally get around

to reading his stuff. And now that I've read his stuff, I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, this guy is next level. Like and there's kind of an active,

quasi active kind of campaign against him because of some of the people he actually influenced. That's all that's kind of a whole conversation.

So I see that there is a little bit of,

there there's a suppressive aspect with his work because I do think some of this information is kind of potentially,

controversial,

you know,

especially depending on your paradigm and where you come from.

But,

in one of his books, he talks about ray symbolism,

and he talks about how the ray essentially is a world axis symbol.

And so he gets into this idea of a 7

raid system, so the 7th ray.

And he says, so speaking of colors, he says that the rainbow doesn't actually have 7 colors, it has 6 colors.

And he says this 7th color

is a symbolic

color, basically. It's a transcendental

color, so it's more of a mystical metaphysical color. And so what he does is he has a diagram in one of his books and he lays out the 6 colors

around a 6 pointed star, so like a Star of David,

and he says that each one of these colors represents

a ray of light. Right? And he goes, but the 7th ray is right in the middle, That this is the transcendental

ray that is essentially kind of the 3 d ray in a way. So if you look at the star, that's more of a 2 d image,

The central point right? And when you look at any

shape, really,

if you're looking at a pentagon, you have to acknowledge or pentagram.

You have to acknowledge the 6th point in the middle. If you're looking at a square or a cross, you have to acknowledge that 5th point in the middle.

So,

wake up alarms, the sun gonna rise?

Yeah. Right.

Nice. There we go.

Christ. This is a live stream. We're recording live your tape.

Yeah. Yeah.

So a decade. I don't know what to say. I feel like You're good, dude. Literally fucking at 50 minutes ago, I'm like, I'm going on a show.

He's called me, like, 83 fucking times today. I'm pretty sure we're getting married next week.

That's getting serious.

So this 7th ray, I think, is really interesting.

And, basically,

he's saying that the the

ray symbolism

is axial symbolism. It's world axis symbolism. It's the same idea of a world tree connecting the above and the below. And so,

this puts a different spin on, on the sun, I would say, and it connects it more to this polar sort of reality or or polar,

kind of framework, I guess you can

say. And one of the things I pointed out last night, it's really, really interesting.

If you look at the rider weight deck and you look at the full card,

you if you count

the points, I'm sure Alan will bring it up right now. Right? Or I hope he does. He's gotta find it here.

If you look at the sun in the corner doing it, he looks like Pikachu while he's wearing the fucking face. Absolutely.

I I think Alan is cuter, though,

Yeah.

Yeah. He's more like a right to

the operator.

If you count the rays from the top and move your way,

down the sun,

the 7th ray actually basically is an extension of the pole that the fool is carrying.

And then if you count from the outside going in on the right hand side,

the 7th ray from the outside going in also cradles the pole. So the 2 rays that are associated with 7 cradle the pole right there that the the fool is, is holding.

And, this relates to me

that there's this ancient correspondence

with the sun

actually having this polar nature,

And if the sun is the center of everything, the center of the universe, then that means that there's a polar, you know, dynamic going on there because it would be, like, kind of like a hub of the wheel. But this so 7th Ray business is is kind of interesting.

I've heard other people, even, Manley p Hall, he associates it with Abraxas.

And so he says that the, 7 letter name of Abraxas,

relates to these 7 rays,

and then he even breaks down. And he's like a heliocentric

guy. You know?

He breaks down that Abraxas

literally axis.

The end of Abraxas

refers to the world axis. You know, he says that in the secret teachings.

Yep. Yep. I remember that part. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. Well and when you look at the cattle part with the rays,

that's associated.

You got Hathor, the horns of Hathor.

Again, you got,

Mercury leading the cattle,

which

again, just like Mario was talking about in the actual story,

Mercury makes the first transition between earth and heaven

and to bring something to earth, the rays of the sun, and then brings back sound and things like that

to the heavens.

And in heathen,

before the world is formed,

you had,

a dumbla,

the great cow,

and you had,

a giant frozen man and the cow

licked at the frozen rind

at the frozen ice and freed the giant. So, yeah, Ymir and a dumla.

Well, a dumla was a cow. That's again that that the her rays are the sun. That's what's actually melting the ice. It wasn't a giant cow licking at ice.

It's that symbolism just applies over and over again. And and, of of course, in the Greek, the horns are filled with gold. You have all the different,

ties from gold sun in the sunlight to gold,

all of that.

Right. Right. And I always think too,

you know, the utter of a cow. Right? Isn't it basically that there's always 4 tits? Is that, like, a universal? Yep. It's 4. Yeah. That's so fascinating to me. You know? It just reminds me of the 4 rivers

emanating

from the supposed central mountain kinda concept from Eden or the 4 winds or whatever, the 4 corners or quarters of earth. As a heathen, it it literally is those 4 teats creating the 4 a dumbbellist.

As she's licking at the ice,

she starts leaking out milk out of her teets, and that creates the 4 great rivers.

Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly.

So, Ben, what do you think about, like, because this it reminds me so much of Vedic stuff too. You know,

that basically,

obviously, there there there's a common origin here somewhere. Right? Is that kinda how you see it too? I don't know how much of that kind of mythology. You don't think so? Origin. No. No. I see that the comment well,

backtrack.

I don't see it a common origin as one story divided into a bunch of others.

I see it as we're all looking at the same fucking thing, and we all have a slightly different way of describing it. We all live in nature, and we're all describing nature from a slightly different aspect, you know, because this is where our position of it.

And so I don't think that any of these stories were derivative of each other at all. I think that that's all horse hockey,

and I think it's one of the most egoic things I've ever fucking heard

of. Everybody everybody oh, my people were the first people. Somehow, every motherfucker,

it's not because it was my people that I'm saying these were the first people that brought it to everybody else. But it just happens to be that it's my people. Like, I don't think, you know, for me,

as a scientist, if I go and I set the the settings for life,

basic,

get some bread moist

and put it in a warm dark place.

When you take it out, does the mold start in one spot

and spread across the bread

evenly?

Or does the mold appear in 83 different spots?

Some of them larger, some of them smaller.

And then start spreading from each of those spots,

which is how life just appears.

Like, life is like that. It's gonna just happen, even ideas.

Whenever you've heard of an invention, 8 people had that invention the same fucking day.

8 of them. And only one of them got the patent. There's always a patent war on these inventions, and and these people can be across the world.

It it's just the way life

propagates

in this plane.

And I for me,

everybody's watching it. Everybody had philosophers.

Everybody had some fucking old fuck that sat around just grumping at people and watching things and then, you know, figuring things out. And because we're all living in the same place where the same it all works the same, basically,

we end up with oddly similar philosophies.

Right. Right. Yeah. Totally. I I could see that too for sure.

And so

I just yeah. I mean, we've talked about this before. You know? But, even just the word Aryan or something.

Go going to India and literally seeing Aryan and the red swastika and stuff like that on these rickshaws or whatever And, like, even mind conflict at train stations and whatever.

And, I'm like, woah. This is really fascinating and interesting. And I just think that, you know, the word Aryan, I think really what it comes down to is this, a northern,

perspective, a northern origin story. You know? And this idea that things emanate from a center and then return,

to a center, basically.

But a lot of the symbolism, I do see it, that there there is crossover.

Doesn't

what you're saying. What I'm saying doesn't actually counter that. Because when you if you imagine the Ringland

concept,

again,

where all these peoples are gonna stem from a certain, you know, you're still gonna have smaller tribes that have

different areas. And as that expands out, you can imagine the 4 quadrants or the 4 rivers or whatever it expands out.

So

even inside that land,

which is your origin area of

everybody,

you're still gonna have try, you know, diverse tribes. That's why we have black people and brown people and red people

and things like that because we're not all from the same thing.

Like, the so

we're still gonna have diverse tribes. I I honestly am not inclined

to disbelieve a lot of these different god areas when they talk about they were created by these these people, and these people are I'm not inclined to disbelieve them.

Like, we're not that horribly similar. I understand that we're all spiritually

similar. We're not we're all spiritually equal. But to to

you'd have to be a retarded child to not to not look at the different

cultures of people and not see the glaring differences

in the way their minds work, in the way that their bodies function.

Just the simple fact that, like, when I was a young man,

I was living in Minneapolis, and we were waiting for concert tickets. And me and my friends are standing there in flannel shirts with the shirt with the, you know, front unbuttoned and everything

and our hands in our pockets. And a black guy had to go get taken to the hospital because he got frostbite

because they have Oh, wow. Right.

And and it's because they have giant pores in their skin,

and they don't close-up real well. They don't do well with cold. On the same token,

whenever I go to really hot areas like where I live now, when I'm standing next to a Mexican,

they're out they're just fine. They're like, they aren't even sweating, and I'm dying. Just dying.

And because my tight little pores don't wanna open up and let out that heat.

It's just the way it works because I'm from the my people are from the frozen north, and did not recognize

that or, you

know, there's just something wrong with today's culture. Again,

one isn't better than the other. Each one had its, you know, per you know, was better in a different condition. It's just how it is.

Tight little pores, dude. You trying to turn me on over here or what?

Baby sucks.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

But, yeah, no discernment, man. Being able to acknowledge the similarities

and differences,

you know,

absolutely huge for sure.

What country plays horse hockey?

I'm pretty sure that's America.

Okay.

Maybe Canada.

We're talking about the, above and below

and having the bridge between the above and below.

What is the

distinction between what is above and what is below? Is it the ecliptic? Is it the

horizon? Is it where the sun appears and then disappears?

I actually would love to, yeah, talk about this. I I was bringing it up to Michelle this morning, and I'm like, you know, one of the things that,

I'm gonna talk to her

about on Tuesday because I found that when I do these presentations,

I my awareness of the subject

grows quite a bit just from introspection,

Tuesday on her channel.

And, I was like, let's talk about more of this solar symbolism stuff because I know that I'll be, like, ready to talk about it with more insights and whatever. And one of the things that I I,

wish I would have brought up last night, and it's so

interesting and fascinating to me,

is this idea of what is above and what is below, and is there a universal

up and is there a universal down?

In the geocentric

cosmological

framework, I'm inclined to think that there was a common up. Everyone had the same up.

When you look at, Earth as a spinning ball

floating in space,

up is relative based on your location.

So Lucas in Australia, his up, it would be our down. Right? Somebody on the side of the Earth, their up would be looking, horizontally from our perspective or whatever.

And so one of the things that I talked about was apparently

where the word,

orient actually comes from and how it's related to the word orientation

and how the world axis

and, this geocentric

framework,

people had a universal up and a universal down

and that,

orientation was based on the world axis.

And the world axis,

basically penetrates

the area of the northern sky, and we know that the North Star

was one of the really important stars for sea navigation.

Right?

And even if you weren't looking at the North Star to get around, you needed to know if you had another constellation that you were looking at or another star that you were looking at.

You needed to know that star

or constellation's

position

in relationship to the North Star. You needed to understand where it was at in the heaven. So regardless, you can't get around the fact that the north star is the hub of the wheel of heaven.

And, I believe it was Ganon who once again was talking about that under the

primordial age,

during this sort of tradition,

that

there was a universal up and there was a universal down. This sounds kind of like not that big of a deal, but it actually is a really, really big deal.

Because when you think about things symbolically, you think about the heavens or you think about the underworld or even I think the underworld a lot of times was actually in the heavens as well, basically.

You know? And and, specifically, I think there's some myths where it's, like, in the northern sky essentially, or that there's no difference between heaven and the underworld, that it's actually essentially pretty much might as well be the same place. What about

the metaphor that where heaven is down?

I'm not familiar with that one. What what's going on there? Actually a number of them, including the box saga

where

heaven is where well, it's not heaven. It's it's Asgard.

Asgard is down and in. You go through hell to get to Asgard.

And then so up is actually the

what we would consider

the bad side.

Right. Yeah. I'm I'm not opposed to that at all, to be honest with you,

because there's a lot of things that suggest that,

especially in the black magical world, that that hell is,

up in the north as well. So,

yeah, that's definitely something I'll I'll chew on. And if you if you look at it just from I I I'm sorry. I wouldn't interrupt. It it's just to to

to further your point.

When you look at a veska pisces,

and this is the way heathen cosmology works, when you read it, it says Muspelheim

came from the south. That would be your fireside.

And then so your son.

And then Nifelheim

came from the north. Now when these two pass each other, if we're living in the dead center of that Veska Pisces,

when we look up, what we actually are seeing is the bottom of Muspelheim.

And then underneath

us is the very

bottom of Nifelheim where the 2 have crossed each other.

And so actually,

Moose our Nifelheim

is up.

That's and so we just have an inverted perspective.

Dude, it's so interesting too.

I like this and

because one of the things that I found that I'm still trying to integrate

is how much symbolism

relates

to earth

and specifically kind of

the the root system of, like, a tree

and how much that corresponds with the northern sky and how much that corresponds with the stars.

That there is this complete,

you know, overlapping thing between the root system and literally the earth itself

and what's happening up there. And I think that one of the,

you know, one of the signs that kind of speaks to this is actually Virgo. Virgo being the queen of heaven and also the queen of earth. I think it's kind of interesting.

There you go, hangman.

Nice. So yeah. Yeah. I I'm not opposed to that at all. I'm I I do really try and not be dogmatic, you know, with with any of this stuff because I I realize that there's still plenty of stuff for me to learn here.

So with the world card having the 4 corners and she's holding 2 wands,

is there, like, an east west axis and north south axis with her 2 wands there?

Interesting. You know? I mean yeah. That that could potentially be the case there for sure.

I will also look at it too is that she is the middle pillar, that you can look at those wands as as the 2 pillars, and then she's the middle way. She's the middle pillar.

And you'll also see this on the high priestess card. You're also gonna see that on the justice card as well.

And, woman

being related to this, the middle way is kind of a

a thing. And she also has this garment kind of draped around her kind of snake like. Exactly. What does the serpentine have to do with any of this?

Well, to me,

I mean,

I see that the serpent

I I've noticed that there's a

serpent

symbol

that,

basically relates to the serpent encompassing

the totality of everything, the world serpent sort of concept. Right? But then also there's a serpent that represents

this centered

sort of idea,

the the kind of middle point. And so I've noticed that there are serpents that wrap around everything like, Jormungandr. I don't know if I'm saying that right. Jormungandr.

There you

go. And then also there's lots of serpents, right, that wrap around a world tree or wrap around a pole or a cross or staff or something like that. And so to me, I see the serpent as really being,

it's kind of symbolic to me again of the world axis personally. I I see it as this thread that kind of connects realms or connects realities or frequencies or whatever you wanna say. I think of even like a sine wave too and kind of all of that, and what that implies. But to me, when I see that card and I see the woman being wrapped around, with that, with that fabric there, I just see this as the world axis and the serpent going up the world axis the same way the twin serpents go up, the caduceus

or the, the fire snakes, you know,

symbolically,

metaphorically go up the spine with Kundalini energy

and whatnot. So I see energy just kind of rising, which relates to this idea of what's above and what's below. And is there a universal sort of up and a universal down? And then what do they correspond with? You know? I don't know. But, I do like this idea of, like, a fixed

definitive

up and down.

You know?

And

that's obviously

thrown,

kind of off, right, with with a spherical

ball earth kinda model.

All the blood rushes to the head if you're hanging upside down. Maybe that's a useful thing, but

maybe it isn't.

Right. Right.

Yeah. Another world tree symbol in my opinion. Right?

100%.

Yeah. 100%.

And then Odin has to go down it. You know? Because again, this is a a

when you look at it and and Mario, I I wish I knew where to find it. I know I know how to find it on my damn phone, not on my computer.

You know, all the pictures that Mario made for my presentation that I had to make the 2 serpents.

And you can see that when you look at the tree of life and you look at it and you imagine you have 2 outsides,

that's where the diamonds are coming in and you have the 2 outside poles and the serpents are going like this and it's 2 of them and that's part of what's and they're dancing around that outside. And then the snake head bites the tail, and then the whole thing becomes the flower of life. And but when you're looking at that original

representation,

the center is the the tree of life,

and this is bouncing between the outer edges of it. And it actually only crosses over at the center at, you know,

each at the end of each of those eyes.

Right. Right. I actually,

I have it on my Google Drive if you want me to drop a link real quick, your slides.

If you could just show it We can do that way. We've also got the

presentation,

I think, on Karen's channel here. Karen Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody, Karen put up the presentation,

like, a week or 2 ago. She she was behind us now.

She's been busy, but she's got that up. And There you go. Mario get all the, all the,

everything in the background that you're seeing here on the right. That was all Mario

saving the day.

And he does this for a living, and he's the man.

Can you can you

sketch it forward to the one where the you got the 2 snakes? It's toward the end.

Find it here. I like that she put them side by side like that, actually. Yeah. That's why I had to, ask you for it. Remember?

I read it. I even forward it to our c. So there so you can understand the the the world axis, the the very center pole is going from, you know, the center of your groin,

you know, in between your feet all the way up to the top of your head. And so these two snakes

are what's making those 3,

ages or best of Pisces. And this is again why I think then also you can when you look at it from, like, the,

the Yuga site

side, you can see that, you know, you're gonna have to experience both the red side and the blue side

in each of these ages.

So it's one age,

but it's got two sides to it. It's got a negative and a positive side. No. Whatever. However you wanna

view it. And then

the snake has gonna bite the tail, and it's gonna create the entire

flower of life. And this is what we're talking about over and over again. And even you see it symbolically in so many things like the twin towers,

what people never wanna tell you about. And it's interesting because when you see it as the tower representation,

that center tower smaller than the 2 outer towers. But then when you see the ladder,

which means that you've transcended

that system,

you've collapsed the 2 outer towers into one singular thing, which is, you know, the the the world tower or whatever the fuck they named it that they built all these 3 of them, and it's one to replace it.

That one's supposed to be able to transcend the whole ordeal because what it's going on is that center tower when it's small is your ego, And your ego needs to be sacrificed

so you could take the 2 outer sides and collapse them together.

And now this is when and now that becomes 1, and

you transcend everything.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

Right. Right.

Nice. That's the snake head biting the tail.

It's like the occult anatomy of the body.

So a toroid field here. That applies to the to the world,

you know, as above so below. So the the same thing's gonna apply

where I'm showing it on the human body. You can apply that same thing to the

universe or the world or whatever the fuck you wanna call this place we live. The same thing's going on. Now where I think we where where a lot of people get stuck and have a problem, for some reason, they have this plane that we stand on,

and they look up and they count all of that. And they don't count anything underneath the crisp crystal plane,

Everything below us, there's a whole lot, and it gets denser and denser.

We know that supposedly

the Russians tried their best to drill as deep as they could, and they got 8 miles. And then that was it. There's no getting past that. It's it's too dense,

and and we know that. So for me, like, even in

the western tradition,

a cult model of the elements,

you've got,

water and fire

make air, and then the 3 coagulate into earth. That don't make any fucking sense.

And you can find the best occultists, and they say this. Well, try and recreate that shit in a lab. Like, you can't take 3 fire elements and fucking make and make fire and make a a solid.

So what happens then is, like, as an alchemist,

I've got three levels

of fire. I take and I separate out that oil

and I can take and I can make it in the liquid, and then I can make it into vapor, and I can even make it into plasma.

That's 3 different levels

of chaos.

Well, there's also 3 different levels of structure, and that's my 3 different levels of crystal. You have your 12 cellular salts, and those salts match up with the oil in order to make the philosopher's stone. So so it's like we're doing this whole fucking halfy thing that nobody wants to count the below.

Right. Right. I mean, I yeah. I see that as well. What, what do you consider to be the philosopher's stone? What what in in your interpretation?

As far as itself

or as far as, a product that you make?

I guess,

well, I guess,

the the first.

In in and of yourself, it's what Odin did where he literally

sacrificed himself to himself

and gave up his ego

in order to,

marry his high mind and his low mind

and then became something more.

And

you need to have and and and throughout your life, you will have numerous what you would call ego deaths, but he had a full on full on ego death

and became

in touch with his immortal,

you know, the energy that leaves when you die,

that thing that's immortal, and then your cellular salts,

your ancestral

line that's existed.

And

you, at some point in time,

were

connected to these gods and were derivative of that all the way down.

And you got point a and point point b. He cut out all the middle shit and put those two things back together and became the wholeness of that.

And we need to also do that.

I'm not exactly sure

how to the and how to exactly how to do that, but that is the idea of what you gotta get going on. You need to cut out this entire

experience. Like,

you start imagining things. Like,

when you were in high school, remember how many things were so fucking important?

You know, how many things, like, in that day, you thought you were gonna die if you didn't take care of this right now, and you can't even fucking remember it now? And because you've had another, you know, 20 years of experiences all,

like, imagine an an immortal mind. What do you give a shit about? Like, even even something as as precious as your relationship with Michelle.

When you when you've lived

500,000,000

years,

do you imagine that you probably are gonna be with her the whole time, or you're gonna spend time with her and somewhere else, sometimes alone? Like, just like on Highlander,

where they're, like, sometimes they were together 50 times, you know, throughout 1000 of years, you know, and they'd spend a 100 years together

then spend 900 apart,

you know, and and and while and and that's not even because they disliked each other.

Just after enough time, you know, you if I I might like chocolate ice cream, but if I eat it for another couple 100 years, I might wanna try fucking something else. I I, you know, or maybe I just don't even wanna eat ice cream anymore

for a while. I don't fucking know. You know? So you gotta start putting yourself into those mind that that mindset. Like,

how

meaningless

are all the things that are the most important to you to a god mind?

Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. For sure. No.

Definitely. I mean, there's a lot of myths about

I just one of the first ones I think of,

it's kind of my fallback with this, but, this idea of,

the sort of judgment,

upon death

and you being weighed, you know, in the scales.

Right? The Egyptian weighing of the souls, psychostasis, it's sometimes called. And to me, I just think about this in terms of, like,

living lightly, not being corded, not being weighed down, not having baggage,

you know, all of these different types of things. And there's something to be said about, you know, at least I don't really think about paranormal stuff that often if I'm being honest with you guys, ghosts or whatever. But one thing that's always said is that, like, people who, aren't able to leave this plane

that it's kind of thought that they have, like, unfinished business. Right? Or that there's something that they're kind of regretful of or something's weighing them down to keep them here. You know, this isn't a favorable sort of transition.

You know, this isn't favorable for a transition rather. You know, you wanna live sort of lightly,

which means I think on a godlike sort of level,

it means not being that concerned with those types of things that you were talking about. The stuff that you mentioned with high school and and whatever. You know, mundane stuff, basically. Yeah.

You know? So yeah. Yeah. I I see your point. Get up to the the level of,

does God give a shit if Russia or the United States or Israel or any of them are in power or whether they're financed? Does he give a does God give a shit about any of that? And and and in God terms, like, while a oh, we suffered for a 100 years. That's like just an immortal being. That's, like, a nothing speck of time. Is that even noticeable? That's, like, a little,

like, you know,

You you you the entire mentality that you would have to have to make that transition.

And then

every and then stop and think about

how little

you would

your moves would become.

Mhmm. When you understand

the giant

consequences,

every little thing you do

has,

How much do you start or how little do you start doing? How little do you put your finger in it? Like, when I'm doing experiments,

I set the conditions, and I let the experiment

happen. Like, what happens happens.

Like, I'm trying I do my best not to get in and fuck around. Like, I'm trying not to alter things

or change things. I'm trying to keep a steady condition and let the experiment do what it's gonna do.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

Right. Right. Yeah. No. Exactly.

And, I mean, we're basically conditioned to kind of, think the exact opposite way.

Be concerned about everyone else's business,

the communitarian sort of thing. I have to save the world. I have to be a messiah or a martyr

or something along these lines. I can't do this because it's gonna add to my carbon footprint, and I gotta wear a mask because, you know, I don't wanna kill, your grandma or whatever.

And so it's just, like, the exact opposite of how you wanna live. Right?

Yep.

Super interesting. So it's it's, you know, you're you're gonna be a pariah no matter what, obviously.

Look at what you just said. Like, to to get there, you're gonna have to be the opposite of what everybody else is. So you're a pariah. You're gonna have to live a pariah's life. It's not gonna be a good time. Like, that's part of why, you know, today's gurus are full of shit. When you got fucking people up there wearing diamond studded fucking

glasses

as they're as they're talking to you from their little freaking palace in Puerto Rico or some other tropical place.

That dude is not, you know, living the life of a pariah.

Like, he's not going through horrible suffering. So

you're you're gonna

not fit in with this world anymore.

Right. Right. Yes. Exactly right. For sure.

Hey. I was gonna ask Alan, actually.

Yep. Or anyone, really.

Were so you've been, you were a Christian growing up. Right? Do you identify with Christianity these days? Or or I can't remember where you're at with that because I know you you always like to ask people, like, their favorite Christian rock band and everything else. We're not gonna get into that right now.

Right.

Going up with this

father who's, went to bible school and was a youth pastor for a while. I'm very,

very interested in that topic

and then raising a family in that, believing that that would be the best

thing to do and culture, the best way to raise a kid, the best preparation for life and education,

certainly.

And then having gone through my own experiences, having gone through bible college, having learned more,

it's not that I discredit

all of that. It's just that now there's more books to read. There's more

cultures to learn from. There's more to learn. There's more experiences.

Just like Balderson was talking about a guy who's

eternal. You know, he starts out his life at the beginning of his life. He's at a certain point and he's read those books. Now it's like go to a different library,

learn a different language,

find some more variety,

and then maybe come back to it and and have a a better understanding of all these things in in the context

of the culture

and the times that we live in and all of that. Does Does that answer your question, Ravi? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. For sure.

I'm I'm trying to find,

basically,

anyone out there who I know who has,

researched or or gotten into,

this millennial

reign, millennial kingdom business. Is that something you've looked into by chance?

Yeah.

About 2nd or 3rd grade, I did that. So yeah. Okay. Right. So this This is baby stuff. Right? Very, very pretentious kid. Yeah. Sitting in an adult, bible study classes as as the youngster and just sitting and listening. And they would really get into the importance of this,

the idea of

at some period of time, we'd there be a tribulation period, a a troubled period, lots of wars. Everything would just sort

of collapse in upon itself,

and then there'd be

a 1000 year a a millennial. What is a millennium? Is that a 1000 years? That's a big period.

Now when this was tied in with the year 2000, that was also sort of conflating different ideas together. So we had this idea that

the year 2000 would be 2000 years

since Christ is born. And then there's talk about

somehow in the near future, there would be a tribulation

period. There would be this rapture period, a separation period

from 2 different groups of people, those who know and those who don't know.

And then

at some point,

these events would resolve themselves leading towards a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, a new heaven, a new earth.

Right. Right. Yes. So,

it's just really interesting to me right now. I mean, you guys know. It's like my my northern

symbology. Like, that's what really drives me. That's my passion. That's my interest. It's my calling, I guess you can say. It's where all of my symbolic research has led me to. I think it's that important.

But

some people right now,

it's I didn't know that this was even a thing. And I'm kind of with my media consumption and and content consumption,

A lot of the stuff that I I tend to kinda look at on a daily has nothing to do with my research at all. You know, I listen to music and I like comedy and all that kind of stuff. And so I'm not I go through my phases of, like, seeing what's really out there and what's going on and then kinda pulling back or whatever.

And but I was really fascinated to learn that there's, like, a group many people apparently over the last 2 or 3 years

are coming online with this idea

that the millennial reign already occurred

and that, we are living in what's referred to as a little season or a short season. I brought this up last night,

because it relates to northern symbology.

And the idea is that people think that the Tartarian

side of things or the potential, what some people might refer to as, like, Atlantean side of things where it's, like, these,

really impressive,

buildings, the antiquatec, and all this other stuff

that these things were built during Christ's

millennial reign

and that we've been convinced that he never came back.

I'm I can't I don't claim that I'm a Christian or anything like that. I just like to follow,

you know, these kind of, like, rabbit holes and stuff like that. Right? I I try and syncretize the stuff.

And so there's people who are speculating that a lot of the Tartarian sort of artifacts and

buildings

were created during Christ's millennial reign, which was supposedly more recent,

than not.

And then

post

reset, if you wanna call it that,

is actually because according to the bible,

supposedly, there is this little season where,

Satan or the devil

reigns for a short period of time

before God and Christ have, like, a permanent sort of,

kingdom basically under their rulership.

Now that's all fine. If it was just that, I don't think I would be that interested in it. But what a lot of people are saying is that

they believe that there's a northern correspondence here

and that, it's possible

I believe the mythology or I believe what people are trying to say is that Christ

and his camp of saints

are in the north

and that they're just kind of hanging out and waiting for this little short season to kind of end.

And I see all sorts of problems potentially with this idea, like,

on a on a handful of levels, actually. I'm just kind of intrigued, and I kinda just wanna learn a little bit more about it. And there's this idea that, I guess when this new kingdom,

goes online

after Satan has had his,

time to do his thing, that this kingdom has a lot of northern correspondences as well,

And that, it exists potentially in the north or in the northern sky. So there are actively Christians right now that I've come across

that wanna go to the North Pole because they're being driven with what they're reading in the bible. And, they're kind of making a lot of these correspondences

and kind of overlapping a lot of the symbology of the north with what they kind of understand, but they're also incorporating the, quote, unquote, mudflood tartarian

sort of business in there. So Okay. That's interesting. So

Christian explorers clubs wanting to visit the North Pole

as,

pilgrimage, as a spiritual

exercise, as something that will level up their faith in some way?

Yeah. And I would say that that's not the, like, sort of core of this community, but there are people who do make content about that, about going to the north and exploring the north and everything else for sure. I see a lot of people wanting to go to Antarctica, like, furthest away from

the North Pole.

Right. Right. So they're wanting to expand,

like, we're talking about the circles expanding from a center point. So the people that wanna return the center, there's people that wanna expand out past the center. Yes.

That's interesting.

Right. Right. And this is also interesting too

because my understanding is that all pilgrimages

so all pilgrims that are on a pilgrimage,

they're all going to their holy site. Right? They're all going to their sacred land, and that this is

the original model for this is the north,

returning to the north. And so I said this last night, whether you're going to Mecca or Jerusalem

or whatever,

the original concept of this is returning to the center, which is returning to the north. And so because that

place, you consider for it to be your center. Right? But there's all sorts of different locations like this around the world. Right? But that the original

sort of idea, the seed for this is is a northern polar sort of concept.

At least, that's my understanding. And to me, that makes a lot of sense for so many different reasons. Because

the world axis symbolically,

I think, has a lot to do with tradition. It actually has a lot to do with stability.

The same way the axle,

part of its function, right, is it stabilizes a system. It gives the whole entire system to revolve around. That's what the world axis is there for. That's what it does. That's what if you have a family tree. That's your world tree.

This is like,

this is the most, like, primary important thing in your life was to defend that. Right? Because it's emblematic

of your family and there's all sorts of rituals and traditions kind of, related to that. And then also literally, like, the tree of the world axis, it penetrates the ground. That's partly why it's stabilized

is because it's actually,

embedded into the earth itself.

Right? So there there's a structure there, basically. And to me, it implies this traditional sort of idea that there's roots to it, basically.

You know, it's not just this hollow sort of artifice or whatever.

There there there's something there,

that's worth revolving around. There's something there that's worth kind of making your center, I suppose.

And so that's why you go to Mecca, and what do you do? What do people do? They go around the Kava cube.

That's what you do. It it's no different than the stars going around the world axis. That that's what they're emulating, basically, at the end of the day, in my opinion. That's why they go around it 7 times too.

So here's where I have to stop and ask

talking about the the value of this idea. You set up a big black cube, and

and you get a group of people to start walking around it. The other people think that's kind of a crazy behavior. They see that, and they start to emulate it. Why are you walking on a cube? Because these other guys are walking around the cube. I don't I don't know why we're doing this, and then it sort of becomes a thing that people do.

So if we're looking

at the the Dune universe and there's ideas of the Benjamins

for showing this, aren't they?

They're they're they're showing up of Dune bucket shows this where in his own lifetime, he gets to see this happen. Yes.

Yes.

And in Dune, there's this whole

plot point where a group of people show up and begin to

see a culture with

symbolism

and stories

and archetypes.

So now

with the other statement about not knowing

timelines or certain events or how long

we can go back in our history to determine that that that's a true event, that's an actual literal historical event, these types of questions. So in your research,

everything seems to be aligning.

Could that possibly because all the other books were burned and destroyed, all the other documents

that had a different idea were destroyed. Are you sensing that feeling that?

Is there any sort of pushback

to

the acceptance of these ideas?

Maybe they're all aligning because as we discussed earlier,

mold sprouts up at different spots on the on the loaf of bread, and they all kind of converge.

Is there some sort

of universal

truth,

laws of nature, natural law thing

that align with the symbols so that it can't be faked or there can't be any lies or forgeries?

Yeah. I mean, in my opinion, to me, what I've realized is that what I'm

really studying with all of this stuff is,

sort of the metaphysics

of the center

and and and the point, the dot. Right? And the idea that everything has a center.

Right?

Any shape you look at and,

you know, anything that actually has, like, a function to it, there's a center to it, and you have a center as well.

So the wheel has a center. The circle, there's a center.

It doesn't matter the cup. Right? It doesn't matter kinda what you're looking at. Look at how you even create a cup, right, with, a potter's wheel. Right? And so we're talking about axial symbolism.

And so to me, what I've realized is that

whether you're talking about the universe,

whether you're talking about earth, whether you're talking about self, there is a center to all of these different things.

And Rene Guenon, one of the things that he said that I thought was incredibly powerful is he says that he refers to it generally as the supreme principle or the supreme center,

to everything. This would be the spiritual sun or the black sun or if you wanna say the world axis or whatever.

That connects all centers in my opinion from what I'm learning.

But what he says is that during the golden age, this center was understood.

This censure was revered.

This is geocentrism

in my opinion, right, basically,

and that he says that during the dark ages, the current dark age and one of the things that's really interesting about him is that

he is,

a huge critic of modernity. He's a huge critic of the modern world and of the western world. I thought it was mind blowing. He was calling out Carl Jung and some of his sort of quackery. He was calling out the the Theosophical

Society

really early on as being kind of, like, pseudo,

spiritual science and all this other stuff. So

I find all of that to be very, very intriguing that he was that critical of some of these people that a lot of modern people and,

you know, new agers and things like that really hold up in in high esteem.

But he was saying that in the modern world,

what's really missing is this concept of the center,

and that that is literally why we're in the dark age. So if there's going to be a return

to a golden age or a return to equilibrium or whatever you wanna say, and I'm not even somebody personally,

I don't get caught up with everybody

waking up or anything like that. That that is not my sort of concern.

It's not my agenda.

I don't think it's gonna happen personally.

I think it's possible on an individual level for you to kind of grow in awareness and everything else. But But if you're gonna grow in awareness too,

it's kind of like you're you're growing with,

your understanding

of your center and your connection to your center.

So know thyself and you'll know the universe. You know?

And so this is how you tap into the cosmos in my opinion. You know, it seems like it actually is with this still point within that a lot of eastern

philosophical mystical people have talked about for a long time. And so to me,

when I take that kind of into consideration,

the point or the the center or whatever,

I I I almost feel like nothing can kind of escape this sort of idea.

And there's a lot of people who have written about this center in a lot of different ways.

And no matter what you're looking at, whether you're talking about colors or sounds or numbers or anything like that,

it has some sort of relationship to the center. You know? And so,

even the number 1, you know, I've been thinking about the number 1 lately. To me, the number 1,

there's only one one.

You know? And I, you know, I feel as though I have, an appreciation or reverence for what I call God.

And obviously when you say God, everyone's gonna have sort of their different opinion.

But to me, God represents the ultimate

singular

sort of essence.

Right?

And I think that there's this primordial sort of idea with God. And so I think the number one being related to God makes a lot of sense personally.

You know? And so there's no

second one, in my opinion. There's only one one. There can only be one one. And so as an example, like, we're taught, like, in school,

1 +1 equals 2. And I'm like,

on a metaphysical level Ben, I'd love to know what you think about this, and maybe we've talked about this before.

But to me, I see as an example the number

2 not as 2 separate ones coming together. So now 1 +1 equals 2. I see it that the 2 is an expression of the 1 divided into 2 and so we're talking about the 2 ness of the 1. We're talking about the polarity of the 1. So the number 3

is the threeness of the 1. It's, the number 1 divided into thirds. It's the 3 expressions of the 1. It's the 3 in 1 in 5, etcetera.

Go ahead. The 3 in 1 is the trinity.

Mhmm. Yes. The 3 in 1,

father, son, holy ghost.

Right. Right. So the one is the pole. This is the mystic pole tradition. This is might as well be the polar mountain or this might as well be the world tree. So to me, that's kinda how I break it down. It's like nothing can escape this this center. And to me, when you look at the dot, if you start studying, like, the dot symbolically,

what you're going to, come across is

everything emanates from the dot, everything emanates from the 1, from the monad, from God, if you will, and then it comes back to it. So it reminds me of, like, a torus field. So the one would be the middle of the Taurus field, expresses out and then kinda returns back to itself potentially, or or like a a world tree or something like that.

No. It's absolutely beautiful. And even when you're looking at the again,

this is why that

center pillar

is at first shorter when it's the eagle of this experience and then longer

when it's the totality

because

those two polarities, they're the same thing. And that's the thing that you really need to learn

that the

the the hot and cold are temperature once you collapse it. It's the same fucking thing. It's just different perspectives of that thing.

Exactly. Exactly. So Katie Katie Perry was right all along with her song.

You're hot and you're cold. You're yes and you're no.

You're in, you're out.

Katie Perry. Right. She's a she's a Christian singer when she released her music under the Katy Hudson label.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Not my favorite Christian band, though. Sorry. I just had to interject with that. No. You're all good, man.

I I see this with Mercury.

You know, and Mercury always being referred to as, like, a divine androgyne.

Right? Or or having both masculine and feminine, positive and negative,

this as above, so below, all of the hermetic stuff that has to do with, I guess, duality or or polarity, which I understand are different things. So sometimes I use them interchangeably, and I I should probably get better with that. But Mercury, Hermes

go ahead. I think the andershine thing is, just a lack of understanding

once again

is because

Mercury's got no

actual

aspect of its own. It's representing the all mother,

and so it's the only feminine

in the system. When you look at, like, when you're doing alchemy,

the sulfur and the salt are both masculine.

And and people don't wanna under don't get that part because they don't get far enough into it. They look at the sulfur side's feminine and the salt side's masculine,

and then the mercury in between is androgyne.

Well, no. The salt and the sulfur are actually both masculine because they're polarized to the same thing. It's one thing.

So that's the one thing, and that one thing is coming together through the feminine.

It's the all mother, the feminine side that's healing the polarized masculine back into itself. So it becomes aligned with itself

through the feminine. And that's what you're talking about when you're making the philosopher

stone,

like in a plant matter

is you're taking that salt and sulfur and through the mercury,

the salt the sulfur is imbuing the salt. It's freeing the trapped souls in hell.

And now those two things are now 1, the masculine is now healed and complete, and now it that's when it marries the feminine or the

the Mercury.

But because we live on the masculine

material world, the material plane, the all mother is what gives us life and what gives us death, but she has no actual representation

in this plane. That's why Mercury is not really feminine, but it's almost feminine because it's representing the all mother here, but there is no true representation

because when you look at it, Gunungagap

was what pulled Muspelheim and Nifelheim together. Muspelheim, the fire and the ice were the 2 broken sides of the masculine,

and the feminine is what pulls them together. But the feminine isn't part of either of them, nor is it part of the vesicles of Pisces. It's just what created the life and the death. That's why the

the feminine aspect in all these different cultures has 2 actions, and the masculine only has one where she's the life giver and the life, the destroyer.

The masculine side doesn't have that because the masculine split in order to make this whole system happen

and to fire an ice. It polarized against itself.

Interesting. Yeah. So, the the all feminine, kind of being related to, like, coagulation in a way and and just Yeah. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. She's bringing it together. I like that.

Nice one. It makes perfect sense. I mean, symbolically, that makes perfect sense for sure. So you don't see,

I mean, I tend to see I know, Lucas actually, he you know, he's harped on this before, but, like, kinda like the triune nature of things.

Right?

Creator, preserver, destroyer.

You know, I almost can look at all the elements and see the the creator, preserver, destroyer aspect of fire and earth and water and things like that. I can kinda see that with feminine and masculine too, but you you don't necessarily see it like that, Ben?

I I think that that's a a a truncated understanding.

Because once again, if I'm looking at that,

for me, the preserver

would be the actual zero level, which is earth. And then I consider

this plus one and this minus one. So theirs is your two aspects of one you're talking about. So this minus one, that's your stable side. That's your crystal side.

And then your plus side, your fire side, your chaos side, and this preserves.

So the fire side actually destroys. When you look at

physics, when I put fire to something, it takes it all apart. It destroys whatever the fuck it was. Yeah. You know, that's gone.

Yeah. You know, that's just the way it goes.

And then when you go to the ice side, the ice side's stable.

So

when I'm looking at it, I I I think that and, honestly, for me, Christian

cosmology

is a very truncated because they're a very new cosmology.

I think that's part of why you can see

the

lack of some of their understandings

where it's like they were born into a system, so their their understandings don't precede this current system.

Right. Right. Right.

I have a question written down about that specifically, this idea we're talking about

balance,

and now we're having to deal with off balance. So a lot of things feel off kilter,

off balance,

the gender disparity, the wage gap. Everything seems to be talking about

how everything is off balance, and there's nothing we can really do about that.

Are there symbols that show

the negative side of things? So put another way, when we're looking at the tarot cards, we're seeing

the symbols. We're seeing what they represent. We're talking about what they represent. Do the symbols

all show

a positive ideal form, the best aspect of things?

Are there symbols that intentionally

show warning

and danger

and things to not emulate?

Oh, interesting. That's a good question.

Would love to answer that. Do you mind if I go to the restroom real quick?

I'll be right back. Mario.

We definitely won't hold you on that.

Alright. I'll be right back. Sure thing.

111100%.

I don't know about it. Well, I mean, obviously, I know some about the tarot. I'm not gonna answer to that part of it.

But it's,

but as an alchemist anyways, and you're gonna find this in the tarot and some of the destructive cards in the tarot, like,

the only one I'll mention is the tower. Mhmm.

If you don't go through that destruction,

you don't reach the higher levels. Like so while we can look at that destruction sometimes as negative, and it sure feels like it when you're going through it. Don't fucking get me wrong. Like,

if I wanted to suddenly become,

you know,

a bodybuilder,

I'd have to go out and it would be miserable freaking going and doing bench presses for 2 hours a day and, you know, leg lifts or whatever the hell else bench, you know, weightlifter people do. It'd be miserable. I know it was. Mhmm. I I know when I'm out throwing, hey. It's miserable about 10 minutes in the throw and hey. Like,

freaking. But if you want to have those big ass muscles at the end of it, you've gotta keep doing that all over, and you gotta commit to that misery.

Like, you you gotta learn to enjoy that misery and just keep putting yourself through it over and over. Like, after somebody keeps punching you in the face, you're like, oh, yeah. Well, I'm gonna keep punching me. Like, you gotta learn to like it. And and and eventually,

you get to that point. So it's like this this avoidance of

of

destruction and this avoidance of pain and us putting this huge negative connotation on in it, everything, and everybody being like, oh, I trauma

trauma

trauma. Like, everybody's so fine. You know? They were all so traumatized. That was traumatizing.

That was true. That's a that's a teaser for later, this idea of a BDS.

BDS,

to think about it. So I I mean,

as far as this this balance thing, now we're talking about

light and darkness. People will equate that with all good and

evil. So somehow

now the nighttime is the time of

evil and 3 AM is the witching hour, implying that those are black magic dark times and not

not good times. They're not

beneficial to the culture, to the community, to the Americans.

Those are the dark Russian hour. That's the red dawn. That's the China. That's the enemy. That's the opposition, the thing that we need to be fearful of. And we were talking about how a seed when planted requires

darkness

and sunshine

to grow.

Right. Right.

Yeah. I I heard, Ben's response, and, honestly, I I echo a lot of the same sort of sentiments,

essentially. And

personally,

I I don't know if this is just me getting older or, or what, but,

I think everything is balanced. And so I I'm of the opinion

that it's balanced

on a cosmic level.

And that on a human level, it might be hard to understand

why

there's homeless people, why there's war, why there's suffering,

things like that. But I think on a grander sort of level,

and this could be I could chalk it up to faith or, you know, other people could maybe say that on my behalf. I don't know. But I kind of see things that things are actually playing out the way they should,

and I see it that we don't necessarily

get what we want, but we get what's necessary.

You know? And so in my own personal life,

when I go through some sort of struggle or pain or hurdle,

I try and as quickly as possible

realize and understand the built in lesson and the built in silver lining of that experience.

You know?

And so I try and transmute

that that experience or that trauma or that pain,

you know, and I think that you no one goes through this life unscathed. And I don't think you really wanna go through this life unscathed either. You know? It just doesn't work that way. And so I kind of look at all of this stuff that I'm I'm grateful to be alive. I'm grateful to experience the chaos that is this place and how

odd and weird and and, you know, seemingly fucked up it can it can, you know, appear.

But, that's my humanness kinda says that. On on a larger level, on a grander level,

I kind of just look at it like a sine wave

sort of thing, you know, where if you're really zoomed into,

you know, this wave, there's gonna be big peaks and big valleys and everything else, ups and downs,

whatever, trials, tribulations.

But if you zoom out far enough, it's pretty much a straight line. You know what I mean? And so I I kind of see it that the universe actually is balanced,

and I think about cause and effect that way as well. You know, where I'm just, like,

we we are here for a reason. Meaning that the, you know, I I think of for some reason, the the homeless thing keeps on coming up right now. But, like, I think of, like, the West Coast and San Francisco and and all of these cities, all over the place where it's just, like, the the amount of drug use and, the amount of theft and violence and stuff like that. It's going through the roof, but it's not it didn't just come out of nowhere. You know what I mean?

Right? Yep. The devil card. Exactly. Ben, I like what you said too because the devil card actually reflects this perfectly. You know, you can't reach the highest highs without first going through the lows or without integrating the lows or whatever you wanna say. How whatever metaphor you might wanna use. So the devil is actually a key to ascension.

You need to have, you know, these things in order

about self, you know,

metaphorically,

symbolically,

Maybe you could relate it to your lower chakras or your carnal nature and and this and that. But he's actually a a key to ascension actually, in my opinion, and and the key to growth.

You know? And so,

I see that there are symbols and there's a way to live.

You know?

And because you're just gonna,

I I think that there is but on the other hand too, I kinda see it that, like,

there's a way to live, but I can say that, and I think I'm right, and I could see that, I I'm not always perfect, and so I don't follow all of my own rules and things like that.

And there's other people who have radically different lives out there and are doing completely different things. And so who am I to say that this is right or wrong for them? I'm not a moral relativist,

you know, though, because I think that when you

do things that are,

you know,

infringing on other people's freedoms,

I think that there's, like, a spiritual connection to your actions. You're you're not just gonna get away when people say, Michelle and I talk about this all the time. She says that, oh, this person got away with this. That person got away with that. How could they do this? How could they do that? I'm kind of of the opinion that you don't get away with anything here. I I I just don't think it works that way. You know, on a more sort of metaphysical,

perhaps, like, emotional,

spiritual kind of level, it's like, it that stuff is going to weigh on you, and that stuff is going to kind of be part of who you are. And so I'm not personally looking for, like, justice

on a,

you know,

on a, level that involves the state or involves the county or the city or anything like that. I I really do think that there's more of a sort of, cosmic sort of justice.

In that,

you are going to receive kind of what you put out there in a way. But even if you are suffering and and there's, things that are happening in your life that are seemingly detrimental or negative or whatever, it's probably for a really good reason.

And I think that, the way to kind of

get through that situation is to realize that you probably put yourself there. And so you have you probably don't have anyone else to blame besides yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. So ho hopefully, that answered your question. Thanks, Obama.

Thanks, Obama.

So I think it's also too, like, this idea. Do we live in a prison planet or not?

You know? There's people have very strong opinions about this. For a long time, I would listen to, a lot of gnostic people talk about this. The demiurge and the archons and this and that and and whatever.

And,

I just I guess these days, I just see it that,

it is, like, partially that, but it's also not. You know? It it we live in a paradox, basically, seemingly. It seems to me like we kinda live in a very paradoxical sort of place.

You know? So if you're choosing to see that you live in a prison planet, Alex Jones style,

you had there's a million different examples of you that, that you can find rather that, kinda supports this.

If you believe we you live in paradise and this is Eden and this and that, it's like you can see that too. You know? So it's kinda like this discernment sort of thing, I guess. It it's like a case by case situation,

by situation sort of thing. I don't know.

I mean I I think I have more, more to,

chew on in this regard. It's a very good question. You're making me think no.

The kids that did, did really poorly in 2nd grade thought it was horrible usually, and the kids that were doing well thought it was great. You know, and the ones that

didn't pass.

Well, you know, I'm sure it felt like a prison doing that same fucking thing again and again and again. And that's that's literally what this place is is a proving ground where we become something more.

But if you haven't passed the test, you haven't passed the test. You can look at that as a prison, but it's a prison because you're fucking slow.

You know?

It's like, Survivor

that old, reality television show. If you go and pay for your vacation to go sit on a beach and drink mai tais and have a fun time, that's one perspective. You could be in that same beach, but now there's cameras recording challenges,

and it's a survivor. So the rules are a little bit

different. So with narcissism, are they describing

kind of these artificial rules

that are placed

on a culture due to the archons being the rulers or the people that decide

what the tribe will do.

So that's the territorial

sort of kingship leadership role where they're fighting

for control,

and then they're imposing

their will on certain people.

So those people that are getting the worst jobs, having to clean the toilets, are probably

suffering and thinking, well, I like to be a king. I like to own my own Burger King. I like to be a franchisee. I like to live in American,

you know, have the gold printed for me, this type of thing. Is it really the attitude then and seeing the perspective of, well, there there are hierarchies

naturally.

Right? Like, people are gonna self organize

and determine

what's going on. And if the number one conspiracy

against

freedom

and sovereignty is the Illuminati or the Council of Foreign Relations or the tip of the pyramid or whoever the whoever the big bad archon ruler elites

are, they're imposing their will on everybody else.

Is that just what the simulation is then? It's a simulation

of

trying out these rules

on a bureaucratic

way, meaning that there are laws that are man's laws,

and there's a court

where you go for a traffic ticket because you're driving drunk or something to that effect, and you have to talk to

somebody.

Now that's different from God's law or natural law.

So now if the prison planet that Alex Jones talks about is just

his politicians and leaders that he doesn't like,

is that really what that's about? Is it just not liking certain people?

I I think some of it and my problem with a lot of this stuff, and it's one of my big problems actually with the,

conspiratorial

truther community

is the victim mindset. And I I just can't have that, and I'm not into that. And so to me, it's just like I I see that this drifts people into that sort of mentality.

I'm the victim. This is being done towards me, and you don't have any sort of, like, real sovereignty or autonomy or whatever. Kinda like with what? There you go. Nice. Yeah.

What Ben was saying earlier.

Can't remember what the point was because I just started thinking about the justice card.

But, yeah, I to me the

but to me, the victim mindset thing is is such a destructive

attitude,

you know, and you hear it on people.

And,

when I hear people talk about their story, it's like, dude, I get, like, the fact that

you've had hardships and struggles and stuff like that. But the mentality that's gonna get you out of that

is,

kind of realizing,

your intention.

It to me, it's like about realizing purpose, intention,

your divinity,

your sovereignty, your power,

your authority,

you know, your your connection to this oneness sort of idea. And if you think you're the victim, it's just gonna be, it's not gonna be good for you, basically. And so I I have a little tolerance for the victim mindset.

So I do not see myself as the victim here.

And, yeah, I think the prison the prison planet thing is a victim mindset. It's it's it's Yeah. It's pathetic. And and and the other thing I don't get about it is

what stories of the gods? And I get and I and I have for all the people that talk about Ascension and everything's gonna be like some bliss in heaven and all

that. Which story of the gods

ever includes

that?

Like, even the gods go through their own trials and tribulations

and bullshit and

wars. They're fighting with each other constantly.

They're, you know, they're constantly getting their hearts broken.

Blah blah blah. That don't seem, oh, you know, like that next level up. If I you were to become a god, it don't seem like you get to skip out on that shitty on some of these things that we're hung up on. Like, you're still gonna have to go through some shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Alan, do you mind just holding up that Justice card one more time?

So I did

a couple of videos

called the axis of Libra,

and I talk about the world axis and how it relates to Libra, which corresponds with the justice card

and how the, the scales actually can't function. The 2 pans of the scales

can't be weighed out

without that central axis.

Right? So it's that central pole or axis that predates these two pans,

which sometimes there I have tarot decks where these two pans are related to the sun and moon. Right? So that means that there's another thing

that predates

solar,

lunar, and it's actually polar because it's that vertical axis.

Now one of the strongest

symbols

that corresponds with the world axis

is actually the sword,

and the sword is a substitute

symbol for the scales

as well. So sword symbolism is very much related to the scales,

in so many different ways and the fact that that sword is being held up right in front of that pillar. It's interesting because it's actually linking that sword with the pillar, which is the pole, and then also the scales with the pole.

And my understanding is I've read this a couple of times now, but in ancient China,

Ursa Major and Minor were viewed as jade scales,

and that the world axis was literally the pole

that, held the scales.

You know? So there's a lot of world axis symbolism there. And then also,

this guy who wrote a book, his name is WH Mueller. He wrote this book called Polaria.

Really, really interesting polar book, northern book. Mueller. And, I talked to him a few times online.

What was that? Mueller. You say Mueller like Ferris Mueller's day off?

You know, they always say Pretty close. Yeah.

Mueller. Yeah. Mueller. He, he was saying that,

in some Islamic sects,

that the, the first sign they believed was actually Libra

and that they just corresponded literally Libra with the world axis, pretty much. And so there there's a lot of really interesting polar information in esoteric Islam. It's essentially it's a polar

it's a polar thing, like Sufism and stuff. When you really get to the, deep seated

symbolism, I think that that's really what you're seeing. And and other people agree. Chris Long.

There we are. So if there's anyone playing psychic bingo tonight, I I hope they're getting all their

their squares filled out for a blackout.

So

if

and this is brings us back to what we were talking about beforehand, and this is something I wanted to ask.

Because,

you were talking about the number 8

and that being, the system

prevalent,

before that.

If I've tried saying this to people before,

that is heathens,

That was the system. It was an 8 part system.

And

when you look at it and and this makes me wonder,

when you look at it, like, when they talk about, like, Scorpio used to be a larger sign, and it was an eagle,

you know, like Aquila or whatever.

Well, was that because this it was an 8 part system,

and in 8 parts, you would, you know,

expand it out a chunk,

like, each one instead of shrinking them in. Is this is what happens? Or are we,

are people overlaying

the 12 part system onto the 8 part system and kind of picking bits from both and trying to make them work together? And then further,

do you have an opinion on whether there was at some point then a 10 part system?

Because when you look at it, the pagan heathen world was 8 part, and then Rome, when Rome was originally conquering,

switched it over to a 10 part, a deca.

And then it wasn't until our current calendar that they moved it to the 12, which also then just entirely shits on the whole of Fucus like it's this old hidden symbol because 12 is actually a very new system. It's not the old ancient system, which was only 8. It wouldn't have even had that aspect.

So but

can you speak on all that? Yeah. Yeah. Good questions, man.

I talked about a little bit about this last night. This, this,

octagonal,

sort of a

zodiac system that apparently

the,

ancient Chinese had. And I referenced a book called Galactic Alignment. This guy, his name is John Major Jenkins. I don't know if you caught this part of the stream. But long story short, what he says is that,

according to his research,

the ancient Chinese people,

they had an 8 sign zodiac system,

and it was in the northern sky,

and they literally had one constellation

per trigram.

So right. So, each trigram of the I Ching,

is made up of 3 bars, yin or yang,

and then those 8 trigrams are mixed together to create 64 hexagrams.

Right? That's their system.

And so he was saying that their

early zodiac,

which was being developed when the I Ching apparently was also being developed,

They had this 8 constellation system in the northern sky,

and then at some point, these 8 constellations

got shifted over to the ecliptic,

the path of the sun,

and then they added 4 more signs to create 12 signs.

So to create their 12 signs sort of zodiac. So his information is saying that

the origins of the zodiac is northern and that it was once,

8 in nature and not

12. The, the 10 I've never heard of before but that is very very interesting. Like that that's kind of a curious sort of thing.

That that book that I just mentioned, Polaria by WH Mueller, he makes a big thing about the 8. And so he says that basically the number 8 relates to the polar tradition and and the northern tradition basically, this primordial earlier tradition

pretty much. And what we were saying or what I was saying earlier before we got on on air

is that,

I kind of see the 8 as you know, there's a lot to be said about the number 7, and I've gotten into that, like, many times,

the septenary symbolism of things. But the 8 would be kind of like almost like the crown of the 7 or the transcendental point beyond the 7. So if you look at, like, a 7 pointed star, there's that 8 point in the middle. So the the 7

and then that 8 right there is kind of that transitional point,

basically. So,

he he he says a lot about that. That's kinda intriguing. And I think he may even, in his book, talk about the octopus as well. And what I was saying before we got on air too is that it there seems to be a revival

of at least what I'm seeing, people thinking that the sort of creature

for the modern age

is perhaps best

aligned with either the octopus. Thomas Sheridan has talked about this. It's very interesting. He also relates to this to Cthulhu and things like that.

Him thinking that Cthulhu or sorry, the Lovecraftian mythos being, like, kind of, the mythology of of of modern man, essentially.

And, there's a lot to be said about that too, which is fascinating,

because

a lot of other stuff that I've read

really suggests that Lovecraft was encoding northern symbolism.

That's what that Polaria book is all about. He gets into the etymology

of the different creatures that Lovecraft created.

He gets into the the fact that, Lovecraft literally called

himself the northern point, the guard of the northern point or something like that. Lovecraft also has, written about Polaris.

He's also written about mysterious stars in the sky

and, even, the Necronomicon

series by Simon

that was written, I think, basically by Peter Lavenda, if people are interested in that. But he talks about all the northern symbolism, basically, in the Necronomicon,

specifically, the gates of the Necronomicon.

Literally, the cover of the gates of the Necronomicon

show Ursa Major, and he integrates

Lovecraft and the Northern Weave completely together.

And then the other animal too or the other creature that could be related,

here is the spider.

And so I was mentioning that, I have a friend who's really interested in spider symbolism right now,

and, it it's kinda fascinating, some of the stuff that that she's uncovering. But there there's definitely something with the number 8 that's extremely powerful.

You know? And then I even think of, like, the octagon in the UFC and things like that. Like, how how strategic is that? Is that just a coincidence?

Did they just is this just simply a branding sort of thing? But that seems to be kind of the sport of of the the modern world too, I would say. It it's the the fastest growing sport. The most popular. Definitely

the most popular.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He then started to take it the opposite rather than the 7, it's all because of 9.

So

Exactly. I could see that too. So it's like the spider. The spider's 1, and then he's got 8 legs. There's 8 paths. You're you have to be standing on 1 of the 9 realms. There's 9 realms, but there's only 8 paths.

And so that 9 is the completion,

and 8 is the pass to the completion or the or the one.

Right. Yep. Exactly. That that's the wild thing to me that has taken me so long to realize.

If you're talking about the 8 as an example here, you can't not

consider the 7 and how it's related to the 8. And then you also can't not consider the 9 and how it's related to 8. So that that to me makes perfect sense, you know, in in a lot of different ways.

And then the chaos symbol itself, what is it? There's that central point. I see it as a polar sort of glyph in a lot of ways, and then you have 8 points emanating out from it. Right? So you literally have the 4 cardinal directions and then the in between directions as well.

Yeah. Right.

And so and then the spider web itself too, like, what you guys have there, is that 8 side or 6? 12345678.

Yep. Right there.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.

So then that's if you're dividing the wheel of the year, you have solstice's, equinox's, and then

the other lines that exit out to divide the year into 8

parts.

Is that what they were connecting their 8 part zodiac with, the sort of wheel of the year?

You know, I'm not really sure because I haven't gotten that,

I haven't gotten too deep into it, but that that would make sense though, actually. That's a good call.

Yeah. Like, I could see that for sure.

So then moving from 8 to 10 to 12,

is there something with, like, mathematical, like, base 8, base 10, base 12?

Was there something mathematical about that?

I mean, on a mathematical level,

I think with an 8 I mean, the thing I think about is literally the binary

math, I guess, and and and, binary logic.

Right? So if you're dealing with yin and yang,

then, 8 is part of that sequence. Right? So 816

32,

64, 128,

you know, on and on. Right? So the the computer sort of numbers,

because you're dealing with binary numbers

with everything. So I think the 8 obviously plays into that 64 hexagrams,

as well. And then,

obviously, yeah, the base ten thing, I mean,

that's the world we live in, essentially, the 1 and the 0 poles and holes. That's how we count with our

4 digits and 2 sums.

Yes. He has it. On him. Yes. I had to say it. Yes.

I actually feel like I haven't said in a while,

but but thank you for giving me the opportunity. It's gotta be on someone's psychic bingo card hoping to hear that. It was on mine.

It was on mine.

Nice. Nice.

But, yeah,

I was saying too before we went live

that there's in the midst of my friend sharing all of this spider symbolism,

one of the things she shared actually before I get into the other thing is that,

she acquired a book,

and this author

was suggesting that the 13th sign actually isn't Oficus, but that it's actually arachne, and it's spider related.

I'll take that as a win for us.

It it is, dude. It's very, very interesting.

So it's on the opposite end of the year. So there's some relationship between Arachne, this potential constellation, spider constellation,

and Ofucus.

And the thing that Ofucus does,

because when you talk about the 12, esoterically, you have to talk about the 13 too. The 13 throws everything off. So to me, what I've read and what's in, Polaria, w h Mueller's book, he talks about Oficus

literally being the polar sign. So it's further north than all of the other signs in the ecliptic,

and he says that really what it's all about is it's pointing you in the direction of the north and that it's breaking the solar paradigm of the 12, essentially.

And there's a lot of interesting things to be said about that. So he says that it's literally the exit out of the solar zodiac is what he says towards the polar tradition,

towards the north.

Fascinating.

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm inclined to think that, potentially this arachne,

spider constellation maybe

alludes to some of this stuff as well. I'm not sure.

I like that. I'm holding up the 10 of cups here.

It's kind of this, symbol of completion. Now why is

10 a symbol of completion in this system?

And now we're talking about 8 or 12 or 13, these other numbers.

So with Taro having the 10

being at completion,

what what does that mean? And does that discredit other systems that have, like, 12 in a calendar year? Is it just apples and oranges?

I mean, I I kind of look at a lot of this stuff is, you know, having a 12,

based

daily

clock system. Right? So 24 hour day, 2 halves of the day, 12 hours each. All of our clocks have 12 on it. You know? I'm inclined to think that a lot of these things are kinda developed to condition people. You know? It it it's going to create a certain kind of mindset.

I even talked about it last night that, the the clock

when we see the hands of a clock glow going clockwise,

according to Gannon and others.

This is literally the solar rotation.

The solar rotation is clockwise.

The polar rotation is counterclockwise.

And there's also something to be said too about polar symbolism being related to the left hand path.

And so, going counterclockwise

is actually it brings you closer to your center. It actually goes closer to the center point.

It's kind of this idea that clockwise is more expansive

and counterclockwise

is actually more contractive

going towards kind of that center in the middle. And so I I kinda see that a lot of the things that we have, a lot of the systems, the calendar systems and stuff,

I don't know. It it seems to me like a lot of it has been kind of thrust upon us for conditioning purposes. Not saying I'm a victim or whatever. I accept all this stuff. It's probably part of Grand Balance, you know, sort of business and everything else like I was saying earlier. But, to me, it's like there's a,

there there's a mind control sort of aspect with all

this stuff. It's very, very simple, and most people would never think about it. But I I kind of put it in the camp of, like, you know, the same way heliocentrism

in a lot of ways was kind of,

an agenda

that was kind of, like, put out there, I think. You know? It's not necessarily for our benefit, but maybe on a higher level, it is. You know? Like, ab, ordo,

k o. Did I say that right? Does it rhyme with cow? Order ab k o? Something to that effect where

someone stirs up the pot.

Sometimes it's a good soup. Sometimes you don't like the flavor of the soup. What are you gonna do? Wait for another meal?

Well, and I just kinda wonder how many

divisors they had to put in because

heathens,

they had an 8 part system,

but they only had 2 seasons. They had winter and summer.

And

at day and night, like, I don't know that they felt a need to divide up things in such a precise fashion like that. Like myself on the farm,

you know? Yeah. I understand during the summer, the days are longer, and I get a lot more done during the summer, but the day is as long as the day is. That's just how it

is. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You know?

I don't feel any need to have that kind of

precise

breakdown of it. So I don't know that,

you know, before our current time, any did they even really break it down into

a precise

was it just, to, you know, noon was noon that mid midday was midday no matter how long the day was. If the day was 8 hours, midday was at 4. If the day if the day was fucking

6 hours, midday was at 3. You know? Like,

did did,

did they even need the rest of those breakdowns?

Did they have that understanding of an even hour at when did that come about? Right. Yeah, dude. Exactly, man. I I,

I like where your head is at with everything. I mean, one of the things I've heard about astrology too,

and this is one of my criticisms of modern astrology, is a lot of people

are so

in the weeds with these natal charts and birth charts and and everything else that you look at a natal chart and, man, there's a lot going on there. You know? And it obviously, there's different schools of thought too with what you should be focused on and everything else. And so there's a lot going on in a natal chart. You have all of the signs, and you have asteroids, and you have, you know, all of these different concepts. Right? And they're studying this chart, and and they're trying to find out what this chart represents and and what this means to that person that was born on that day or what it means for today if you're looking at today's chart or whatever.

And a lot of these people too aren't even looking at the stars. They're not actually

viewing the heavens themselves. You know?

They're just caught up in these apps and and programs and everything else.

And,

I've heard that and this makes a lot of sense to me, but, like, a folk way of astrology

is very different. It's almost like a story book that you're looking in the heavens, and you had an understanding that this constellation maybe was a a lion.

Right? And then the the, you know, Mars

was entering,

Leo, and it was at the paws of the lion or something like that. And so they kinda create, like, a storybook

sort of folk understanding of what that actually meant and represented,

you know, and that they weren't so obsessed

with, looking at these angles and micro degrees and everything else and trying to, like, do, like, astrology math, like, hardcore astrology math with it. You know, that it was way, way simpler. And so I I think that that makes a lot of sense, personally. Kinda like what you're saying too. It's like,

I I I don't think that, you know, people back then

were were,

you know, paying too much attention to exactly the minute and second it was of the day. Just like what you said, it's like, well, yep. The it's seems like it's high noon right now.

So it's time to start doing this or that. Alright. Well, the sun's gone, so I can't work anymore.

So time to do this and that. You know?

Yep. Yeah. It's hotter during the season.

Good.

Oh, I've I've heard a few ways that you can tell time,

you know, if you put your your hand out

at full length and then

each knuckle is an hour

of some movement or something like that. Maybe it's maybe it's a fist is an hour. I don't remember, but I had a friend

that was a is a trail guy,

and he's like, let's let's let's meet up in in in 2 hours. And I'm like, how do we know what 2 hours is? He's like, well, look at the sun, and

it's 1 fist in the sky, then it's been however long. And it was a pretty good way to tell,

but still you don't know

what time it is exactly.

It's just a relative

straight up and down or sun sunrise and sunset.

Yeah. Yeah. This is a different sort of thing, but, because it's a nighttime

ordeal. But, in one of my books about, the dippers, this guy was saying that a lot of,

indigenous peoples

had an awareness

of what time of night it was based on where Ursa Major was in in the heavens, and that they would pay attention to it and that it was

a perpetual sort of thing. So literally, if they if it was the middle of the night, they could go outside and look at Ursa Major, and they would know roughly around what time it is. You know? And he said that they could actually be accurate within it's something like 4 minutes or something like that. You know? It's pretty impressive, actually. But that this was something that people

learned, and it was kind of more intuitive.

So you didn't need to have a a time piece. It's all it's all up there. Right? That I mean, we call it the sky clock for a reason.

Honestly, that's more accurate than the sun because the sun's variable. Because like I was saying, like, right now, the sun the sun is, you know, what do we got? Like, 14 or 16 hours a day? And then a month ago, we had, you know,

13. A month before that, we had 12.

I, you know, at best, something like that. Like, it's very variable. So

the the dipper is not variable at all.

Like, that that in the same precise order, it's gonna same exact pattern.

Right.

Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly.

For sure. And then, obviously, the moon too. You know, people having lunar calendars and a lunar understanding of things. And during this moon cycle, lunar cycle, we have to do this or that on the farm and and plant this and that. It's time to harvest and and all kind of stuff too.

And and even that's a problem. That's one of the things that in our communities getting pushed hard.

But

lunar cycles aren't 28 days, and I don't know. You know, everybody kinda just says that just off the cuff, but lunar cycles aren't 28 days. There's not there it's not exactly 13 lunar cycles in a year.

Like, lunar cycles are 29 or, like, 29.4 or some shit like that. Mhmm. It is a lunar cycle, so

that's not precise at all either.

Like, neither system is particularly precise. The only thing that's precise is Polaris and the star movement around Polaris.

The this

sun and the moon have entirely variable cycles that don't match.

Is that some kinda clock shaving thing where you're just trying to mash them up and fit them together? And

what where's the missing time going?

Who's taking your missing time away from you?

Right. Right.

Yeah. No. I but, Ben, I I'm I'm inclined to agree. You know?

I mean, this is why too it's like,

it's always shifting

cultures or religions that that go by a lunar calendar.

You know? They're they're the date's always shifting of of their holy days. You know? So it's always perpetually getting further out, further out, further out. And so, a lot of western people don't have an understanding of this because they think, well, it's January 1st, so that should just be the New Year. Right? Or it's, December 25th. That's just Christmas. Right? You know? And it's just,

that's too,

that that doesn't work either. You know? I would say that things are more organic, basically,

than than what, people like or want to realize, I think, in a lot of ways. And I think that time itself is is kind of a huge

sort of, it's it's a construct in its own way.

What's going on there?

People arguing with me in the chat.

Oh, okay.

29.5.

5.

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. That that's one of my things with astrology is, like, I publish content based on the tropical

system,

mostly out of convenience, to be honest with you. Because I think all of the astrological systems, you have to make some sort of compromise somewhere.

None none of them are exactly

clean and kinda perfect or whatever. So,

tropical, sidereal, whatever, I'm not dogmatic with any of it.

You you have to kind of concede something with any of those systems.

It's strange how this year in 2024,

we'll have Easter Sunday, and then Monday will be April fools.

And then, yes, we'll leap year to 29th

February. Is that gonna be on Thursday?

It's my uncle's birthday.

He's only had, like,

like, that's, like, his 15th birthday or something like that he's ever had. Maybe 17th.

And isn't that,

isn't April fools because people, there was a switch in the new year?

You know, that's once again, you know, it's one of those things I have a real issue with. Like, everybody goes on about how,

it used to be in April,

and then they switched it. Well, that was a switch from the, you know, the,

a one Roman calendar to another.

When you look at,

actually, even the Hebrew system, the heathen system,

I'm gonna have to wonder about the Chinese system that you were just speaking about earlier.

But as far as heathens were concerned,

the day began when the sun went down,

and the year began

in the in at the end of fall. So the year began with winter.

And so

and when you look at a at a plant,

the life cycle begins when the seed cracks in the ground.

You know, that's it's in the ground when that cycle begins

is during the dark time.

So the dark and we still actually show remnants of this because when you celebrate New Year's, you celebrate it on the eve. When you celebrate Christmas, you celebrate it on the eve before

because that's when the day actually started. So,

again, just like with this whole Ofucus,

13 is the hidden one. Well, 12 would only came along with our current calendar,

and

this other shit only came along with our Roman calendars also. Before that, we didn't celebrate it in April. We didn't celebrate it in January.

We celebrated it at the beginning of winter.

And so all of this is fucking Roman.

Right. Right. Yeah. That's interesting. I I I don't know. I don't think we talked about it today, but I brought this up

last night.

The winter solstice,

that that was the old way of doing things related to the north, related to this beginning sort of concept,

and that Aries, the beginning of, the astrological year, is more of a modern sort of thing. It's more of a heliocentric

solar idea, basically.

And so,

so that do do you, Ben, you consider that to be more of the new year than the the winter solstice?

100%.

And so it's amazing to me then that January 1st is essentially it's not dead on, obviously,

you know, but it's right around there. That's what it's kind of encoding or that's what it's related to and that that's still integrated or that's still a lot when a lot of people celebrate the New Year too.

So that that that being one of those remnants. Yeah. Do you have any message of hope and forgiveness for those who live in the southern hemispheres?

The most evil place with Australia and all the criminals. You know what? They're dead to me. Lucas is gonna burn

in that fiery hell where they put people that pretend that they live in an upside down planet

is, and he's gonna get attacked by all kinds of crazy

crazy creatures.

Yeah. You heard me, Lucas. To doppelganger and the demigorgon.

The toilet monster.

I'd said to him one time, I'd sent him a picture, and it says it it said what people think Australia is like, and it's,

Obi Wan Kenobi, like, taking a spear and poking at that thing in the arena, like that big bug creature thing. And then it says what Australia is really like, and it was the same exact picture, but Obi Wan Kenobi was calling it a cunt.

That's great.

Love you, Lucas.

No mercy down.

No mercy for the upside downers.

Oh, man. I'm gonna have met it work in my head for the next week.

Dude. Dude. Tell me that you didn't catch that on the Robert Seffer fucking,

video. You're like, is this, like, the worst version of men down under that's ever been? Like, is this, like, the elevator version of men down under that you're making me listen to Robert Seffer, you fuck?

That's where it it came from. It's been in my head since then.

Yes. It's the Robert Sefford video.

Yeah.

Which video is this?

The one he just put out yesterday.

Antarctica.

Yeah. About our about Antarctica. And in it, he has, like, this fucking elevator version of, like, the, you know, the land down under. It's

like, it's so bad.

I believe it. I believe it. Yeah.

And it's Well,

you you mentioned Dune earlier. The new Dune's out. Have you seen it by chance? I think it's out. Right?

I think it's

been premiered.

I don't know. What do you know, Jim?

I thought it came out it was gonna come out on the Ides of March, and then they changed it to the first.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They did. That's right. I I did hear that. Somebody Okay. Well, I think reviews are coming out then, so probably people got screenings and stuff then. That's what I say. Oh, that's cool. It's possible. I mean, I'm stoked, though, man. The first one was awesome.

That's Oh, dude. That out of Dude.

I've I I'm a huge Dune fan, you know, and so I have my things I like and dislike about each of the movie sets, the original eighties one, the

the,

nineties,

or was it early 2000,

sci fi version, and then now this new one. But I tell you what, like, the Sadu car on this new one,

oh, fuck. That would they were badass when they're doing that, like,

and, like, kinda disappearing and coming back while they're walking and shit. Like, that was

wild

wild effects on this new one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. They did an excellent job, man. I mean, I

the movie industry, they're just

I don't have much faith in, you know, in cinema anymore. And I went to film school, and I was all about it for a long time and

just perpetually disappointed,

you know, with so many new movies.

And so watching Dune was an experience. I'm like, fuck yeah, dude. At least somebody's doing this right,

and they have the budget to do it right and everything else. So, yeah, I can't wait to see the second one. I wanna see Dune in theaters if only for the fact that

how much longer will theaters even exist as an option to go to? So many smaller ones are going out of business.

A lot of people have other options for entertainment.

So it kind of seems

like the end of an era. And if we're talking about a move to the Aquarian age,

how how will that influence all of our music

when AI generates music for us, pictures, and movies? Like, all of this stuff is becoming much more fluid. There's more remixes. There's more variations on anything.

For

tour who might receive

that much money

to make a movie

that we kind of have an affinity towards. We kinda like it. We want it to do well.

Right. Right. I'm still I I think Nolan, Chris Nolan still probably has some good work in him or whatever.

But I I think he's kind of in the I don't know if this is entirely accurate or whatever, but I kinda see with Stanley Kubrick, who used to be my guy as well, that, I feel like he had to make propaganda films, and then he got to make some personal

projects or whatever Mhmm. But only because he was gonna be a propagandist filmmaker

with with some, you know, with some movies that he came out with, like, 2,001. And so I think Nolan's kind of on the same track where he has to make stuff for the system,

and then, I think he gets to make his own stuff too maybe on occasion. And Oppenheimer to me was, like, a clear

propaganda film, obviously. Oh, yeah. And that whole year, it came out last year. Right? And there was so much atomic stuff going on in the media

that that was like a whole weave where I'm like, what the hell is going on here with this? There was a concentrated effort to talk about nuclear stuff and and, you

know, atomic weapons or whatever. So is that on a synchronic

predictive programming level where this thinking about atomic

ideas

apply to the idea of, like, an atomic clock and timekeeping,

and now we're minutes to midnight, and now we're moving towards world war z, the final Armageddon, this final battle thing.

It's like everyone is

psychically

pressurized into a vice grip to accept that

doomsday is

just seconds away.

So in this

and this is

insane to me because it's like, this has all those things and what you were just talking about. Mario, the one,

area that's actually bucking the system is northern

in the movie culture because you have, like, Northman.

Northman was fucking crazy. Right?

And then I never saw it actually.

Oh my god. That was right around the same dune to same time the or the first dune came out, but Northman was so good. And, yes, there was nobody in that theater. Me and Brian went to it together, and we felt like we're in, like, a private viewing of it. Like, there was, like, 2 other people in the entire fucking theater.

And then there's a new one called the promised land coming out. And if anybody watched,

they

asked about,

why there's no colored people in this. And the director flat looked at the fucking guy and he says, you know, I I can't quote his exact words, but he's like, this is a period piece, you know, from this period. They didn't live

Like, you fucking idiot. And everybody laughed at the fucking everybody laughed at the fucking reporter like he's a fucking idiot. You know, like, you you should. Like, you know, but it's very interesting to me that,

there's a bunch of very northern

centric movies coming out that are bucking the societal

norms and not at all catering. And it's a very interesting thing because I'm seeing a whole lot of push

toward

that paradigm anyways.

Yeah. You know?

Yep. Yep. You know, same here. Totally.

And, thanks for bringing up the Northman too. I'm totally gonna check that out because it was on my radar when it came out, and,

I never got around to it.

But just check this out. I I don't think we've ever talked about this, or I don't know if I've even ever brought it up online. But

to me, I saw Oppenheimer

as part of this sort of atomic agenda,

which, I know, Ben, we talked a little bit about, the elements and atoms and the nature of the atom, and I was kind of I was questioning the nature of the electron, and is this even how these things work, and all that kind of stuff. Right?

So last year, Oppenheimer came out with all of this, and to me, the the propaganda value is is pretty clear, you know, with what its agenda was and all that kind of stuff.

I thought it was really interesting too that,

Joe Rogan's mothership,

opened last year as well.

And in it, he has 2 main rooms, the big room and a small room, the fat man and the little boy. That's what he chose to name these rooms,

after

the supposed,

bombs that that dropped,

on Japan. Oh, that's fine. Not Saki.

Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. So I'm like because this plays into the whole theme of the mother ship because a lot of people think that these nuclear explosions

are what, like, kinda ripped space time and allowed these entities to kind of come in or whatever. Right? That's kinda part of UFO

lore or culture.

So he's playing into that, I'm pretty sure. And so that's interesting that the mothership opened last year. The other thing that opened last year was the Vegas

Sphere. Right? So this big ball we saw that flattoberfest.

That's right. Yes. Exactly right. Totally.

And so

what debuted at the Sphere? How did they kind of roll it out is with, YouTube performing. YouTube.

Yeah. And so YouTube

was performing there, and they have their whole entire sort of, thing going on with this interior screen and whatever.

So I watched a few of these opening videos

where, some guy interviewed you too about this, thing that they were doing there at The Sphere.

And right away, Bono started talking about and I'm, like, what the fuck? This is what this whole thing is about? This is kinda wild. He said that, he started talking about, nuclear energy.

And he said, you know,

back in the

day, I we used to be very critical about nuclear energy, but we were talking about fission.

And,

now,

now that we can do fusion energy,

this is actually the way to go. So it was like it was a weird propaganda piece that was very nuclear and atomic sort of in origin, and this all happened in the same year. So when I saw 3 of these things kind of occur in a row, I'm like, okay. This is there's there's more than meets the eye here.

Emily Moyer did talk to us about this fusion fission thing

a little bit. I'm thinking of you and 2 is sort of this against the oneness thing we're talking about, the metaphysical math,

you and 2. It's like

me and you,

you and 2,

sort of looking at the otherness of things.

Mhmm. Sort of like creating an enemy. The function of having weaponry in a military is because there's the existence of terrorists

and threats

and enemies and things that we need to

engage in

during wartime

and during peacetime as well, I guess, if we're having these ongoing conflicts that are not necessarily war.

Right.

So is my understanding correct in that, basically,

this might be

super super bay I'm sure it is very basic. But, like, so is fission

breaking atoms and fusion is smashing them together? Is that the big the the big difference here or is it way different than that? So so this gets this gets,

ever they've made this so convoluted and bullshit.

It's not even funny.

If you look at a Galvanic cell, which is a basic fucking battery,

you've got a cathode and an anode,

and

you've got electrolytic fluid or mercury in between.

Now, the whole way the power works is,

this anode,

molecule

breaks apart or oxidates.

So

now that's gonna release out the electron side and it's gonna turn it into an electron and an ion, but it's the same fucking molecule.

This electron

is going to race its way over and immediately jump right onto that cathode.

And that's going to give the cathode a temporary negative charge.

Now, the ion side of it is going to slip into the mercury

and the mercury is gonna champion its soul

back to where it belongs, which is with that electron.

And over on this side of the battery, it's gonna come back together.

And then that's gonna produce a free electron

that you're able to produce power and use power.

At the an at the cat anode,

that was fission. At the cathode,

that's fusion. When I fucking recharge the battery, the fission happens over here, and the fusion happens over here. But it's it's really

just one thing either splitting itself,

which has its own power when you break something apart, it has power and then reuniting it.

Once again. It's the same thing. Mhmm. Two poles of the same process.

Yeah.

So they made it so complicated. You think some guy has with a fucking with a fucking,

you know,

nuclear science degree has to

get to it when this is just a the basic way a battery works. This is the way chemistry works.

You know, you're taking and you're breaking apart particles,

and then you're just putting them back together in different forms.

And there's an energy that's released when either action happens.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Right.

So, I mean, so do you have any opinion about why,

YouTube or Boto knows anything about this or gives a shit about anything about this and kind of what what the propaganda angle is with that?

That that's super interesting because,

our current ideas the the whole green energy system that they've been selling is just bullshit

for the most part. And and most of it's extraordinarily

damaging.

The the green energy that we've been sold was

just a a snake oil

that barely fucking works. And, you know, some guys got ultra rich off it. But at the end of the day, that's not the power systems that are gonna that are gonna change the world. Like

and nuclear is definitely a much easier system to deal with. Like anybody that's actually lived off of solar,

you start understanding the giant drawbacks that so that solar has.

It did, you know, at on any given day, you don't have a dependable

source of incoming power. So in order to

run the same amount of things, ostensibly,

every day, now you have to have a power bank somewhere

that's holding a bankage.

And

that bank also is gonna have a transmission problem because if it's banking and you don't have a bunch of banks around, now you've got distance of transmission and power loss through the transmission.

All kinds of fucking problems. And batteries

batteries have a real short shelf, a real short light. The number of, you know, they they've got some advancements that are coming out right now. But if you've ever lived off of your typical lead acids,

the lead acids, they have a 5 to 7 year life. And that depending on how many times you

you,

deplete them and recharge them. And I know that right now, everybody's all about these fucking lithiums,

but your phone runs off lithium. If you fucking

take your phone and only run it 15% and then charge it and run it 15% and charge it, It don't take long before that battery is not worth of shit. And we all know that. So you're gonna start fucking running your house off of that. Like, it's not like when you look at the the

Tesla, power wall, that's not even meant to be ran off of solar. Those people down there,

the solar bank is going

to the to the,

grid,

and the grid is taking in that energy and then acting as a battery. So

they're using it up there.

Then separately,

the battery is tied to the grid. It's not tied to your panels. It's tied to the grid, and the panels are tied to the grid. Now the only thing that Powerwall is good for is people that live in a tiered system of electrical

where during the day, let's say, you have to pay $50 a kilowatt.

And then in the evening, you pay 25, and then overnight, you pay $10 a kilowatt.

So you lit you use the Powerwall during the day during that $25

a kilowatt hours,

and then you recharge it at night during the 10 dollar kilowatt hours. And so that's the only thing that's made for. It's not made to have,

solar power input into it halfway through its charging cycle or to stop charging

and then start depleting

and then start recharging again 2 hours later, that'll fuck them lithium batteries all up. But because they're cheap right now and popular, everybody's like, oh, lithium. Well, you fuckers ain't never lived off grid.

Right. Right.

Have you heard of the, all of the issues with the Cybertruck, by the way? Tesla Cybertruck Oh, god. Is that thing a nightmare or what? Like, dude, I've seen so many videos of that thing getting stuck in, like, 3 inches of snow.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Exactly.

They didn't do a clear coat, on the exterior. That's leading to all sorts of issues.

People are getting, like, pits in in the,

yeah, just on the panels and things like that. And then, someone posted, like, their actual recommendations. Basically, they tell you to wash it immediately. They're like, if anything gets on it pretty much, sap. Sap. Come on. You know, it's a car. And so It's not a it's not a car. This is this is my opinion. It's not a car. The lowest grade stainless in the world. It's it's an art piece. It's it's meant to be purchased

for car collectors

to put in their storage sheds and to never drive and to say, I have a Tesla truck. It's like the DeLorean Motor Company, the DMCs from Back to the Future. The people that buy those things, they put them and they they keep them dry and they keep them in a museum setting. It's an artifact. It's a art piece,

certainly.

Now we were talking about you 2, you 2 being an Irish band,

and then I was thinking of I I watched the movie Tron, and I was trying to figure out what is going on with the Tron and the grid. And then I just finally looked up the word electron.

So Tron comes from electron,

and the electron being the negative

the unit of negative electricity. This comes from 18/91

by an Irish

physicist I'm reading here, George Stoney,

to describe this fundamental unit of negative

electricity.

And then we get a movie like Tron

that kind of takes this idea of

actually living inside of a computer

with the grid,

and they have that game of snake where you're leaving the light trails behind and then you have to go and wrap yourself around to then shatter the other player

on the grid.

Tron

2 released

so many years ago now. It's, I can't believe how long it's been with the Daft Punk soundtrack.

Now

Tron 3 is

filming,

and, Jared Leto, 30 seconds of Mars will be in the movie.

So that's interesting.

He was in Blade Runner again with with the, the Edge being Oh, yeah. Right. And you 2.

Yeah. Bono. It's like

I don't know. There's there's some things in culture that are just memes themselves to death,

and maybe they just seem to be let go.

Right. Right.

Don't know. So, the I I like your idea about it it's just like an art piece, the the Cybertruck or whatever. Yes. I've I don't know if you guys are familiar.

It just this term is new to me, but a loss leader

Yes.

Within a business. Right? You kinda create a product that's intended to lose money, but that's not the purpose behind it isn't to necessarily make money. The purpose behind it is to get marketing.

You know. And and there's a lot of businesses now that will come out with a product,

and literally, it it's kind of a mean product because they know that it's gonna get clicks and eyeballs and this and that. And that,

it's not supposed to generate money for them necessarily.

But, it's it's not a vision. Pros are quite the meme of product. You use that in the real world that that plastic is gonna get scratched up.

It's more of a sign of,

like, wealth and prosperity. It's sort of a thing that you take pictures with,

but then you put it away and wait for a a better model to release.

And then the other topic that is so near and dear to my heart is this planned ops obsolescence

stuff. We're talking batteries.

Our phones

are great. The software gets a little bit convoluted and maybe needs to be reinstalled,

but usually the point of failure is the battery. So if you buy a phone and you can't replace the battery,

well, now it's a $1,000

gone because the device it's it's, it's a brick.

Yeah.

Right.

Right. Right.

So, do you find the,

Apple Vision Pro to be

impressive

or or or not so much?

I don't know. I haven't tried one out yet. I'd have to go to Mall of America and maybe see if there's an Apple Store there.

I thought there'd be a lot more Apple Stores

with Best Buy also sort of closing down. There was something called Ultimate Electronics.

So much of what this leads to my mind, I'm making the associations. I I realize I do this. I have all the pictures in my mind, and then I connect the dots and I forget to vocalize what I'm saying. So the idea being

with all of this technology leading to

an interconnected

marketplace,

Bitcoin being a digital currency for the digital

banking

and way to spend the money. I just see the Apple Vision Pro as a way for consumers

to put on a

virtual reality headset. So when they look at the mirror, they can see the dress that they're about to buy on them, and then they can see their different hair color. This virtual reality thing has to do with

consumerism,

selling more and more stuff, and then why go to a museum when you can go through a virtual museum? So it's replacing the brick and mortar physical experiences

and replacing it with something that isn't

real,

but is cheaper to produce.

Dude,

I went to the fucking mute the

Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco because I wanted to check out the, you know, Tartaria shit. Mhmm.

And the Palace of Fine Arts had zero fine art. And you walked in there, and they wanted you to put on fucking little virtual

virtual headsets.

Yep. And that was how you were supposed to see the fine art.

Did you not?

Oh, exactly right. Yep. There's a lot of museums that have stuff like that. Even when we went to,

this has been number of years now, but, Stonehenge,

in England, and they you put on you have this little phone thing that you listen. You know, they it knows where you're at. And then or you put in a number or something like that, and then it tells you, you know, what's going on. So it's like a kind of a virtual experience.

A virtual guided tour. Well Yes. I I would much prefer to have a tour guide.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Physical human being, not an android, not a robot,

not a not anything that is an NPC, but an actual person who has

opinions

and thoughts and feelings and emotions attached to the art and the place and the culture and the setting.

You can't get that from a cold

algorithmic

language learning model of Google barred giving you the search results. There's no

human component to that.

Right. Right.

The the thing to me that's really interesting,

is I can I can see it now, you

know,

that people would prefer to have an Apple Vision Pro or a headset,

over buying a new TV?

And that people because the resolution is so high,

and then, it's a it's a computer.

It's a personal experience.

You know?

It seems like I could see it where people instead

of having a cinema

sort of experience in their home with a big monitor or projector and everything else, they just buy Apple Vision Pro,

and then they're just you they could have a huge gigantic screen in front of their face and then obviously do all these other things with it. You could. You could. But is that the same experience? I think the reason why How long before that just like that movie that, Ready Player 1 where where the chick touches him and he's wearing that suit where she could feel and touch him and shit. I don't know if they add on that add on. Tell her the bildonics have been around since the nineties, so that's not anything new.

My concern here is

people go to a Super Bowl party

to see other people to then all cheer at the same time when their team scores.

Now if we're all sitting isolated watching our own screens in our own bedrooms, not having that human

connection

that everything is just sort of one note. There's no passage of time. There's no milestones. There's no point

to live. If everything is just available

at all times

on a Netflix buffet,

then no no movie is an experience. It's just a consumption thing.

Oh, dude. I I I hear you loud and clear, but there's gonna be a lot of younger people and a lot of other people who don't take that into consideration or don't care.

I thought it was really interesting actually. There there's a channel that I watch on occasion,

and they're young, like, punk rockers essentially.

You know? But they listen to, like, the new sort of, like, flavor of of extreme music, I guess. And so a lot of it's kinda like hip hop, you know, kind of fused with, like, hardcore and metal and things like that. You know, all these genres are just, like, blending together.

And they're younger, and so but some of the artists I do actually like. And, listening to them talk about music

is interesting, and then listening to talk listening to them talk about Internet culture is also interesting.

Because what I realized is that a lot of younger people,

are essentially addicted to the Internet.

And they are they loathe that about themselves.

And so they actually have a love hate relationship with the Internet. And so I'm like, woah, I wasn't expecting that. I thought they were just gonna be all in on yes. We're on Instagram and social media and all this other stuff.

And, this is just our life, and our phone is kind of everything.

But what I didn't expect was for them to actually have this resentment towards it as well, but yet they're still, like, willing participants in it. And so I thought there was just a very interesting sort of mindset to kinda have of, like, they're jaded,

but this is their world. They hate it, but they're on it all the time. So So we were talking earlier about a millennial reign of Christ and the golden age and the perfect, sort of thing where everyone's fed and there's no wars and everyone's getting along well. Does that include the Internet? Does that include technology?

Does that include all of

all of the benefits we have from

using StreamYard and,

Internet from Elon Musk there and the SADA balloons and whatever is going on. This technology,

it's enabled us to have this conversation.

Sure. Sure. Yeah. Definitely. So sorry. What was the question there? The with the golden age

that,

people

looking forward towards the age of Aquarius, the next thing, the future that we're moving towards,

is it all going to be

bombs are dropped and every all the cities are destroyed and people are living,

Mad Max, feudalism sort of world?

Or is it gonna just be you know, we we came to our senses. We found balance and oneness and restoration

and our equanimity, and then we all we all got along. And we figured out that we can live in separate parts of the world just fine. We can call up, people in Australia and talk about time and

toilet rotations and things and laugh and have a good time, but we don't ever actually have to go to Australia.

Right. Right. It's a good question, man. I don't know. Only time will tell.

I found that,

the more I kind of continue

to research and and all this other kind of stuff is

and, I I try not for to forecast anything, dude. I I really think that,

I try to I try and stay in the present moment as much as possible. But wait a second. Wait a second. Aren't you the tarot guy? And isn't the tarot used for divination? And isn't divination used for

telling the future?

No, actually. And so that's actually one of the things that, people will come to me for readings, and they're like, hey, am I gonna get with this guy?

And I have to tell them. I'm like, you know what? I I don't think that the tarot is a yes or no sort of divination system. That's why there's so many cards. It's like, you might be better off. If you want a hard yes or a hard no, you should maybe flip a coin,

and and kinda go with that. But, I think that the tarot is best used. Same thing with astrology actually and all divination systems. I think it's best used to check-in the current moment.

If you are going to be going through something,

you know, if you're gonna be traveling or you're gonna go through the next chapter in your life or whatever,

I think it'd be great to check-in and maybe see what you need to keep in mind as you move forward, not necessarily giving you an answer on what is going to occur.

I also think it's a great, great tool to reflect,

to reflect on an experience you just had, to reflect on a chapter

in your life, or if you just went through something, some major sort of situation or whatever.

And so that's how I see divination. I I think it's best used for the present moment

and for the past, not so much to forecast what's going on in the future. And I think that a lot of people, you know, a lot of younger people, that's their first sort of inclination with tarot cards is asking, yeah, what's gonna happen down the road?

And so I think astrology the same thing. I think that it's if you're going to actually get, like, a a chart analysis done,

maybe not what's gonna happen in 6 months personally,

you know, of what's gonna happen to you in 6 months, but either where you're at right now or where you've been. And at least then you have something to kind of, like, fall back on. And, you have your history

to kind of, consider and and and analyze and everything else. But looking ahead, though, it's not so much my thing personally.

So what kind of people are you looking to work with? I know you've given me your phone number, and you're like, text me. Here's my number. Here's my site. What type of people are you looking to work with?

You know, people who I guess if you like my work, you're probably gonna like my my style of reading. You know,

I, I like to really decode the symbolism,

and I've started integrating my polar symbolism with all of this stuff. So if if people like my videos or or my presentations and things like that, they're probably gonna like how I decode and everything else. And I use every reading as an opportunity

to, to teach about the cards, basically.

And so,

so, yeah, someone who's open minded, someone who's not dogmatic, someone who isn't looking for a yes or no sort of answer with everything too.

I had to let a number of people down. And this was something I actually kinda struggled with in the beginning because so many people were asking me these questions.

And it was it became for me personally kind of like a moral issue. I'm like, I can't tell you what's gonna happen down the road. Who can? Maybe there are some really gifted people out there

that have a good beat on this kind of stuff, and that's awesome for them. You know, they have that gift.

But I can't say that I have that gift personally. And and I don't feel confident telling somebody, you know, what's gonna happen in 2 months or something. Have you tried talking to that evil Australian about it?

About what? About about tarot?

Yeah. He made up a a chart,

that's absolutely wonderful,

and it,

matches more of the way I see that the way that kind of thing works.

We're, like,

a king didn't ask,

you know,

will I win if I go to war? It's is this a time to go to war? Is this a good time to plant something? Is this a good time,

which isn't as definitive as what a person would like? You know, that's not stating that you're absolutely gonna win or not. It's just saying that this is

the season for that thing, that action that you're wanting to take. And sometimes it's not the season for that. And I think that

on a grander scale, the more talented practitioners could tell you

that this season was coming up. And from that knowledge,

you understood that,

oh, next week, it's supposed to rain all week. I should have my raincoat.

You know? If I can you know? So this would start making you seem,

very psychic, but you're really just kinda dressing for the weather. And and this would've given you more of the understanding of the weather in a spiritual understanding.

Do I do this during this time frame? Do I do that?

You know?

Yeah. That's exactly. It's,

a bit different, but just, framing perspective on whatever might be coming around the corner. You know, I'm I'm totally cool with that, and I understand that. And, that's been really helpful for me and for other people too. But the definitive,

this is exactly what's gonna happen. Yes. You will get that job, you know, or no. You won't get that job. It's it's not really what I do.

Yeah. That that's cool. I should I should talk to the Australian about that sometime.

Yeah. He's got a really,

you know, we all know he lives in a fake place, and I don't know where he actually

lives. Pretends like he lives in upside down land and shit. But,

his his chart is really super cool, and especially then

when you take the understanding that this is just the major arcana.

So he spreads it out in, like, a circle,

and he makes the major arcana. And some of them are season cards,

And then some of them are almost like,

it's almost like playing fucking,

Yu Gi Oh or some card game like that where, like, you can set, like, certain cards at certain times

are creating, like, a field

effect.

You know? So, like, during the fall, you can expect this effect. During the spring, you can effect expect

this effect. And then also inside of that, there's the rotational,

12 signs.

And then he's got chance up in the corner, you know, chance just being weird.

And fucking,

then when you start adding in when you think about it, the minor arcana

is just your typical playing card deck with 52 fucking cards. And how many weeks are there in a year? 50 motherfucking 2. So

yeah. No. So it ends up becoming basically this dial

that he created that you set the seat, you know, oh, it's gonna be spring. It's gonna be this month. It's gonna be this week.

And, oh, this is the kind of energies I would expect out of the universe.

Now due to those type of energies,

I'm gonna choose to do this that week.

Right. Right. Right. Totally. Totally. Yeah. I actually I'm I'm going through this with a guy right now.

We,

students, I guess you can say. We've we've spent literally,

22 weeks going through the major arcana. He he wanted to consult me

for,

an hour on each major arcana card. And then once we wrapped up with that, he was like, okay. Let's just go through the minor arcana now because he he liked the the major arcana series so much. And so, I showed him that wheel. Right? Yeah. The 52 weeks and how it corresponds to the different parts of the year.

Obviously, the circle, 360 degrees,

12 signs,

each sign having a, 3 deck ins. Right? So, 10 degrees per deck in and everything else, And it totally blew his mind. He didn't realize that the the the minor cards worked out that way. And it's really interesting too when when you have this awareness and you do tarot readings for yourself. When I was really, really into it, tracking like, okay, we're in this deck end, so that means that we're in this time of, this is the card that we corresponded with right now. When I was really into it years ago, I would do readings for myself, and I was blown away at how many times that card would come up. The deck in that you're actually in, the, the card that corresponds with that time of the year or the opposing card. You know? So so, the card that's actually on the opposite end of the wheel, basically.

So it's something like if we're in, like, the 4 of swords, then the opposite card would be, like, the 4 of wands or something like that.

But, yeah, that's cool. I need to check out that graphic.

We talked with LC and,

Weaving Spires 2/19.

LC King, new app in time time. I think it's a 2 parter.

We had some technical issues.

I know we've kept you here for quite a while.

Oh, yeah. No. I I've realized,

a while back that at the 3 hour mark, my brain turns to mush.

So,

probably time for me to get out of here, but, this was awesome, guys. Thank you for,

hosting and all of that. And,

obviously, I appreciate your guys' input and and everything else, and I know we'll do it again.

For sure. Yeah. Thanks for coming on, brother. We love you. That's the future that we'll predict together.

Perfect. Per yeah. Right. Exactly. Gotcha. Yeah. Love you guys too. And, we'll be in touch and, you guys gonna stream for a bit longer?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Probably. And and keep banging it out, brother. The shit you're putting out is absolute fireman. Thanks, dude. I appreciate that. Right on. Alrighty. Well, until next time, guys.

Check you later.

Good night. It's a symbolic studies dot com.

So it is a real website. I've been there. I like it. It's a real website.

Realize I

he was asking me to pull out cards and show them, and I'm like, oh, shoot. Because I was getting so

focused on what was being talked about that I didn't realize I'd started shuffling

the deck again, and it kind of acts as a fidget spinner. So that's my confession for the spiders after dark. I use these No. Carbs kind of as a as a fidget spinner. So then I'm always putting them out of order, and then I have to find the card again. It's like, how long will it take me to find the card? And then so many times, I just laugh because it's always just the last card. So I go through every card to find it, and it's like just

it was the last one. It's not all along.

It's always the last one.

The worst part is when you try to outsmart that system too, and then you fucking go to the end. You're and you you went through, like, a third of the deck. You're, like, oh, it's bullshit. It's at the end. And you flip to the end, and then that fucker's right dead in the middle. You're like, god. Fuck

our business.

Yeah.

Oh my god. Oh,

yeah.

The universe knows.

It knows.

The death card was in the middle this time.

That's usually at the end.

Well, that's what we were just talking about. It should have been at the end, and now it was in the middle.

See, and I I wonder if at some point in time,

because it's just super interesting because

then,

so many of your, like, ordering systems are on a we say that we live off a base 10 system,

but so many things when you order them, they it's off a base twelve system.

And so many things when you think about a case, what number do you think of when you think of a case?

8 pack of hot dogs, 12 buns.

I don't I don't I don't buy beers. The case of things is usually 64.

64.

But that that's just the that's just a typical number when you're ordering bulk

or something. Bulk orders.

That's how many viewers we have in the fucking chat right now. 64. That's Nintendo 64.

64 bits. Yeah. That's cool.

Oh, shit. I forgot to push go live. Oh, you're gonna yell at me, Alan Marcus.

I hit it now though.

Spider

is after dark on Rockfin now.

We we we could end the stream here on YouTube and then just keep talking over on Rockfin.

Well, I think it actually fills it all back in. I don't think I Does it backfill it?

I think so because, like, there's other times that I've done it and it still hasn't started.

So I think that fills everything that I missed. Yeah. We'll find that out.

Yeah. You know, I forgot to I had it all set up, and I forgot to hit go live, you know, because it Rockman, you always gotta do that fucking extra steps.

But, yeah, 12:12

for a small case and then 64 for a master case.

Yeah. No. It's it's typically the way that goes anymore.

Like, it it's a very interesting thing. Like, we're, like

so it also makes me wonder again,

did the Romans

have a 10 part

constellation system when they had a 10 part,

you know, a 10 piece calendar.

Like, we make this general

You know?

Thinking of Roman numerals,

and

some of these movies would have their copyright stuff on, like us. There'd be

the copyright information on the movie, on the film printed on the screen, but it it would say the year would be in Roman numerals.

So unless you knew Roman numerals, you'd be like,

did this movie come out in 71 or 73 or 70 I don't know the Roman numerals.

It's like, why were we still using Roman numerals?

In

America today, we use metric system. We use

so many different systems. It's such a melting pot of all of these

different systems. Being a mechanic. That's annoying as fuck.

Like, some measurements

work better for certain things,

but then having to convert

things

so that there's one grand unified theory of measurement is

kind of a challenge. I can't I can't remember what it is, but there is as there's an fucking esoteric reasoning behind the American,

measurement system.

It's been a lot of years now since

since I've,

studied that, and I don't recall it. It was just something I came across years ago. And,

but there was a very esoteric,

numerology

reasons behind the way that

the American systems worked.

It's a good start of a of a research project. I'm sure someone's listening

and wants to find that answer or probably already has the answer,

and they're just looking at it, ready to share it.

Type it in the comments.

Sure. Let us know. On this video.

For the listeners still on our chat, thank you for

time and attention. Was there any other

part of the conversation you'd like us to return to?

I'd like to hear more about

cathode,

anode,

fission, and fusion.

Oh, okay.

Maybe maybe you could put together,

a chart,

get a little napkin, make a little doodle.

Yeah. It seems like some guys the other?

That some guys were trying to make this whole video on it, you know,

video

and make it real nice.

That sounds like a good idea.

Mhmm.

To develop the ideas further.

Somebody should do that sometime.

Someday.

What is time though?

What is time?

Time is resistance.

What is aging?

Resisting the resistance. Painful.

Aging is yeah.

Wisdom

is nice.

Wisdom is very nice.

Now

the unfortunate thing is is in this fucking in this diagram,

you know, like the fuck around and find out chart, you know, where the more you fuck art on the more you find out. Well, for some reason, on this one, your age goes like this, and then your wisdom goes like this. So as wisdom goes up, the things that your body can do, they go

down.

The 2 don't meet together nicely.

The more age you got, the less fuck around you got. That's a fact.

Yeah.

That's true.

Walking around with a broken toe for 3 months of the year.

Yeah. Because I stub it

and then keep stubbing it.

Yes. Yourself walking in circles then if you're

leaning on one direction, you're not walking in straight lines?

Absolutely.

Happens all this time. Big

circles.

I

was comes around again.

I was working on fucking Brian's fucking water system today, and I had my electrical shit clear down this fucking hill. And I mean, that hill at Bryan's is

it's steep enough.

I got these,

alpaca socks,

and alpaca is real smooth and nice.

And it my feet will painfully slide to the front of my boots because the hill is so fucking steep.

Like, it's bad. And I'm carrying my electrical bag and my sawzall and something else up,

up this path, and I'm like, time to lay it on a tree.

Legs just burning,

burning.

I'm like, why is this bag so heavy?

Dear god. What do I have in here?

They're called glutes,

and they're gonna be huge by the time you're done walking up and down that hill.

Dude, I had no I had an inverted ass. Like, my butt was like a frog butt

before I moved out to this place,

and now I have a butt.

In, like, 2 or 3 years, I'll look like Coco.

I'll be out there shaking my badonkadonk.

Well, can't wait for that.

This jerk keeps words.

It'll be a Rockfin exclusive pay per view event.

Well, you know, we had to do something to try and replace, Zara last nipples. So, I mean, you know The nipples keep score.

Replacement.

Only try.

Oh, shit.

Oh.

But, yeah, definitely going back up that hill I was feeling my age. I was like, son of a

bitch. Why is everything so heavy? This sucks.

Yeah. You're like, do I need all these tools?

Really?

Yeah.

Yeah. Like, do I got 3 sets of pliers in here? Freaking needle nose pliers in here? Really?

Why did I do that?

You got a good set, and then the finger pinching set

that you

bring around anyway just in case you want one that you can ding up.

Yeah. I do. I have my ding up set because electrician and sometimes I zap them. So if it's if I'm doing some questionable shit, I got my ding up set. That's my old wire

stripping,

the

typical

wire

stripping

sizes.

So

if I'm

wire stripping, the typical wire stripping sizes.

So if I'm doing something, I can just do it with a wire with the needle nose, and then I could take and

if I gotta

bend over the end of the wire, I just do it with the mute needle nose real easy like that.

So, yeah, I got 3 of them in there and

yeah.

Like, yeah. He he he get real tired of

like,

wow.

I do have an update to that WJLX

radio station antenna

story.

There's more to the story. Somehow, it became a a national news item. I think it went around the

globe realm

sphere to all the countries and all the languages people were talking about, how absurd it was that this tower would just disappear or vanish.

People were really, really investigating it further, and they found,

I think, satellite photography going back to November

and then not seeing a shadow.

The picture is taken directly overhead looking down and not seeing any shadow and indicating that there's probably not a tower there. So this tower

may have been on that property,

but was reported missing

sooner in our timeline

than it had actually gone missing.

Just an episode of Doctor Who. We're time traveling. Thieves are rearranging our timelines. Is this a Mandela effect, or is it just a case of insurance fraud?

They cracked the code to time traveling,

and they're on meth.

Mhmm.

Of course, they would be. Mhmm.

And they're after your copper. They're after your copper. Copper.

I was gonna ask, why do we call police officers

cops or sometimes coppers?

And in Twin Peaks,

happy Twin Peaks Day yesterday.

Agent Dale Coopers

sounds a lot like copper,

and that's up in the Pacific Northwest.

So we could have spent 3 hours asking Mario about Twin Peaks question, but I

I didn't do that.

I appreciate that you didn't do that.

But you did dress like Raichu.

That's a nice color yellow. It's the the headphones on the ears sometimes need a little bit of a

little extra cushioning.

Mhmm.

So, yeah, it came up today.

There can be only 1.

Mhmm.

We watched Highlander yesterday.

Dude, I just watched it, like, 2 weeks ago. I swear.

Christie's never seen it. We watched 1 or 2. Of course, not 3.

Yeah. Well, so 2 is the one

after 1

where they, like, go into the backstory. Right?

Or is that 3 where they go into, like

how what is a Highlander?

1 kinda goes into it, and then

2 gets weird because one actually gives, like, the whole story of what a Highlander is.

Yeah. But it's kind of

contradictory

into.

You know?

And then in 3 has Mario Van Peebles,

and he's like then it goes yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, back when Mario Van Peebles was the black guy. And freaking,

you know, because every movie's gotta have one black guy and

or or or, like, you know, back then it was, any movie that had had needed an Indian guy. It was Lou Diamond Phillips.

Hey.

You know? They're like, we have one. We all we got the one. What what do you want us to do here? Hire 2?

Hey.

I can't

but,

Mario Van Peebles and, he supposedly

went back and there was, like, this ancient powerful dude

that,

was I think did he teach Connery?

I think maybe it was Connery's teacher or something. Like, some old dude in a fucking cave that could make, like, full on,

you know, visions. He could make you see, like, you know, like,

have a complete hallucination or see an entire different thing than was there.

And he had, like, that power of that. That was the third one.

Oh, cool.

Well, kinda lame, but

I'll have to check check out the second one, maybe the third one again.

There is the sorcerer

AK the final dimension.

Well, there's a 3rd one was it. You know, the third one wasn't bad if you watched the ones after

it. Isn't it? It got real fucking bad after that. Like, you're like, wow. You guys are just gonna massacre this shit.

Like, they were the TV series I thought was pretty good. And so then the one where the the 2 of them got together, you would have thought was gonna be awesome, and it was horrible.

Horrible.

Yeah. It's such a magical story.

Somebody somebody explained the premise of the movie to me when I was, like, in the 7th grade,

and I just thought that sounded like the coolest movie of all time.

And it was.

It is.

Absolutely. The visual effects are seared into my mind. I don't remember the story at all, but I remember

Yeah. My soundtrack

Queen soundtrack.

It's amazing.

Yep. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah.

Here we are.

Born to be kings.

Yeah. That's hero.

Hero glitter. Well, the whole thing is the funniest part about it is is then when you see the act when you watch the I don't remember. Maybe it was the first one and maybe it was the second one. The second one might have been the backstory one.

But,

the backstory then is that's actually a punishment.

Like,

you know,

yeah. The whole thing is is those 2, they, went like renegade

against the system.

And

they knew each other, like, back when they were in the future.

So it's not back. They knew each other in the future, and they rebelled.

And as their punishment, they got sent back, and then they had to fight until there was only 1. And then they were all immortal until that only one was there.

And then when it was only 1,

that one would finally be allowed to die.

So dying was, like, the good part. Like, you were literally not trying to become the one to become, like, the most powerful.

You were trying to become the one so you could finally fucking die.

So in in some stories, the preserver

could be seen as the

opponent because they won't let you die.

Yes. The creator, the destroyer, and the preserver in this sort of 3 part system.

Which I you know?

When you look at it, this is no different than we were talking about with the god status with Mario earlier. I can understand as an immortal.

What if, you know, your kids aren't immortal? Your wife's not immortal.

What if even your wife and your kids were after, like, 500 years, you're like, you know what? Mhmm. I'm real tired of your shit, lady. Like, you know?

Like,

that just

eventually would life eventually lose its flavor entirely

after you've watched the people you love die over and over and over again.

You've eaten everything. You've tried every vice. You've

been the good guy. Okay.

Yeah. You you saw all the Pokemons. You caught them all,

you know.

Yeah. And if all of your favorite

bands and musical tastes are

formed between, like, the age of 13 16,

how many times are you gonna listen to that same album over and over and over again until you drive yourself

crazy because you can never be

prepubescent and experience

puberty again. You experienced it once, and now you're a 1000 year old entity

wanting to go back. Yeah. Last

name

to

Creed.

God, you would hope your fucking goal what you consider golden days and the things you get nostalgic about would wouldn't be 13 if you're Nickelback.

Boy, you'd be in trouble.

Yeah.

Right. What,

what are alchemical

revolution? The guy, what's his name again?

Wayne McPhroy.

McCoy. Yeah. He wrote he wrote some books about these very topics. I was perusing them again.

The idea of uploading consciousness to a cloud

as a way to sort of be immortal in some way.

And the steps it takes to take

male and female,

and then create

out of male and female this sort of gender

dysphoria where it's like

they're trying to make

both male and female

of the same mind

so there isn't variation

so that when they're

going for their

transhuman

cyberpunk

future thing with Neuralink and connecting to the cloud,

if this is what we're talking about too with interoperability

and measurement systems.

So if if I'm asking for pounds and ounces and you're giving me gallons and I'm like, I don't know. It's different.

If the human mind

is forged into a way where it's

similar and the differences are shaved off

and the thinking just becomes a human brain computer thing,

then that will fit into

an Internet of Things,

Hivemind

Collective

Skynet

thing, a bunch of worker ants working together.

Worker ants.

Worker ants, fulfilling Amazon orders, sending vinyl records

to young people today.

But no. No. Neuralink here. No. Neuralink for me. Thank you very much.

Yeah. I'll go ahead and pass on that.

I don't want it.

No.

Who wants to be,

write rewritable,

Like a CD.

Yes.

And is it even

possible, though? I mean, the idea exists.

We were going through

this, phase where everyone was pointing to

some woman by the name of Sabrina Wallace.

And we were saying,

well, we won't get this material.

Now that we've had some more time to digest and think about it

That one makes the hair stand up on the back of my arm.

I've never been so terrified and aroused by a woman showing her shoulders.

Yeah. What a terrible idea of,

the reality.

Right. This is the use these computers.

That is the question. My teammates.

Does every human have

a MAC address, meaning a number

to connect them into a network?

Is that a Social Security number?

I don't know how much of this is

real

applied

technology

that

functions

in a consistent way

with electricity

itself

being

a lot less

predictable than we'd like to think about it in terms of

clean electricity, dirty electricity, brownouts, blackouts,

and Oh, good. Good.

And the idea of

electricity in your brain and the way that your brain chemistry is gonna affect that fucking

current.

I can't even possibly begin to fathom how that's gonna pan out.

Like,

your your body chemistry

is

changes things so fucking much. Like, when you start becoming when you start getting too little sodium in your system, you literally will start acting stupid.

You will start acting like you're

I I don't know. I just because your brain will quit functioning because it has no

salt in order to make that firing happen.

Like, what happens if you're just putting this fucking charge into there, and you don't have enough salt going on to even do that. And what happens if you have this

singular area that's consistently getting a charge that's not a natural charge? You start cooking

the break the gray matter in that area.

Like, you start, like, singeing your brain.

I guess my

response to this inquiry of do humans have MAC addresses? Do they have

embeddable

computer chips and implants and all of these things?

Is it all just, like, black science and top secret and covert stuff?

I I don't I don't know. If

if there's more

displays of this technology

to prove it,

then I would be

I'd be more believing and accepting of it. But with the

inability for many science papers to even be

reproduced,

more simple, straightforward,

not hidden behind

a black box technology thing without any, you know, corporate

military

secrets

with,

like, like a secret sauce thing. If everything is open source, if everything is upfront

and you can take the ingredients, mix them together, follow the recipe, and reproduce it.

But most science experiments

published in these

reports are not producible one to 1 the same thing

that I don't know that any sort of controller

creating

an Internet of bodies and people and things with MAC addresses and Bluetooth connectivity,

I just don't see that as

as having the

predictability

and stability

to function.

I mean, there might be people trying that,

but even with consciousness

and, like, I don't feel

like it today. I don't wanna go to school today.

I wanna have a cold today. I wanna feel well today. Just the will of the human to accept or reject it, I think, is enough

to put a whole damper on all of those plans.

Well,

Marcus Allen

is the only spider

who doesn't already have a ring. No rings.

Jim

and Sean

and Rachel and I are all married.

Jim and Rachel to each other, myself to Christie,

and,

Sean to his wife.

But if you all want to set up an auction

and auction off

Marcus Allen. I'm pretty sure he's a virgin.

So if not, I'm at least selling it for low mileage.

You

know?

He comes with a nice Raichu outfit, so

very possibly

furry type action. I don't know if Pokemons are into the furry things. I don't know or if they is that a separate

kink? I I don't know.

You take it where you want.

It's gonna be,

about $33

a ticket.

We're gonna limit it to 100 tickets. Last time it was $4 per ticket.

Yeah. But they but they but they beard. They're still wearing the Raichu outfit, and the $4 a ticket was only for a piece of your beard hair. Did we announce the last winners?

We still have

5 days on this.

These are just in the banners on the stream, Aaron. So I don't know what you guys are planning to do with that. Below.

Comment your email address.

You know, the the problem with that one was is

there was too many.

And,

you know, you only had so much beard hair, and there was there was

a tsunami,

a tsunami

of single women

trying to claim tsunami of Kunane?

Yeah. I caught up.

Tsunami. Yeah.

Try trying to get a piece of some Alan. It's, Mark Salad beer here.

Can I just sell it to you guys?

I'm I just wanna give away free NFTs to everybody.

See, that's how I was, you know, just paying for some gas.

But now I got this whole

legal fight and everything. I had to up the charges,

And and now you you have put on a Raichu outfit, which I feel

like

that puts you more into a specialized genre, which is obviously worth more.

Correct.

Well, I didn't have a Valentine and Valentine's Day. I didn't have a ground hunt on Groundhogs Day. I don't know if we'll have a

a leprechaun on Saint Patty's Day. But

I, I have a a wife that's

only as tall as a leprechaun.

She punches out golden brat occasionally

while she shares it.

Do you have an email address for success stories?

Success stories of what?

I I I can't I can't outline what the individual success is.

I won't limit the levels of success

our lovely listeners and viewers

can experience,

Much.

An old the a WSW old ladies' night. Look for that

probably in March. We won't say more than that.

Things are

things are in the planning phases.

I don't know any stone circles in Bangor. Is that

is that where Stephen King was born?

If there's any other outfits that you would like to see Mhmm. Marcus in,

then please Question. Send any type of recommendations,

you know, like, maybe like a mouse.

We do have a PO box for that.

Fox.

Mhmm.

A dragon.

I know he's got an octopus hat.

Absolutely.

Indeed.

Send him clothes.

Send Jim clothes too.

Send Balderson crazy outfits.

Balderson outfits too. Yes.

S and b will wear anything.

And he's not here tonight. For a price. And he's not listening to this.

So you can send embarrassing stuff for

Espialdier.

I would.

Probably a codpiece

with rainbow bright on it.

That's nice.

Yeah. That's nice.

Or maybe a Care Bear

Doing the Care Bear stare.

Copy to the Care Bear doing the Care Bear stare that he could, you know

that'd be powerful.

Powerful.

Here's some alchemists

to better alchemy wearing

kilts.

They're killing it in kilts.

Mhmm.

Killing it in kilts.

I need a toss.

We'll see if the rock fin gets to backfill

the complete episode.

Otherwise

otherwise,

it'll be on YouTube for as long as it's on YouTube. We got, audio archives too.

Well, we can still upload

it just not live after because, you know, the recordings and the StreamYard

recording thing, and then you just fucking

load it up into the rock bins.

Well,

do we wanna go into that BDSM story?

We can't. I thought you were trying to shut it down. You you put your you put your we don't get to see anybody anymore, so nobody gets to talk anymore. Just So much.

Random. Connected

places. Still wanna show my flush

color. See how red I've been turning.

So embarrassed. Well,

you know, are you already getting are you already getting dirty messages from the girls that are gonna try and purchase you?

I'm not checking my email right now.

A limited time, ladies. Limited time. If you don't treat them good, you only get

3 weeks.

Let's go back to this news story.

You're gonna find out. And and and, coincidentally, now he's about to talk about b and d s and m. So you'll find out how he feels about some of these things.

I love it when, like,

academics

in education,

educators like take the time

to intentionally talk about these taboos topics.

Because a lot of the students that probably go to Rhodes

did not experience any kind of sex education at all.

A planned BDSM workshop on the campus of Rhodes College

has been canceled.

Now BDSM

includes

erotic behavior between consenting adults. Fox thirteen's Daniel Wilkerson is live near Rhodes right now. Daniel, the invitation said this workshop

was to happen there on campus too.

Yes. Darryl and Darcy, good evening to you. And, of course, Rhodes College is affiliated with the Presbyterian

Church. The higher ups here at the college say they just heard word of this workshop this past Friday.

Controversy on the campus of Rhodes College.

Students got news of the school's chaplain, reverend

His son, Bailey Lane.

Named in honor of Anne Pritjian, Bailey, and

Edgar H. Bailey. Are they related to Alice Bailey? I don't know.

Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah.

Oh, these were the Rhodes Scholars Go.

Or

what does that have to do with Rhodes?

This is, I think, in

where did they say this Rhodes College is? It's Presbyterian.

Let's find out.

The Beatrix Will hosting a BDSM workshop.

BDSM

is an acronym.

It's an umbrella term for certain kinds of erotic behavior between consenting adults.

The b standing for bondage,

the d for discipline or domination,

the s for sadism, which is the inflicting of pain, the m for masochism,

the experiencing of pain.

We got our hands on the invitation.

According to it, the BDSM 101 workshop was to take place in Burrow Hall on campus.

The invitation read, Chaplin Beatrix will host a local dominatrix to share wisdom on how to safely, sanely, and consensually

learn about bondage,

discipline domination,

sadism submission, and masochism.

There will be an opportunity

to ask questions anonymously.

Any questions anonymous

right now?

This is good morning, Memphis.

Not a new news story. I think it's from last November.

I like how he pronounces her name.

Beatrix.

Yeah. Beatrix or Beatrix.

Is the reverend,

we'd like to have her on stream sometime. The reverend Let's do it.

Beatrix from the Rhodes College. We got a lot of questions about Presbyterianism

and female chaplain and chaplainship.

Being a chaplain, that's just wild.

Wild.

Female chaplain

at a Presbyterian. I just can't even under I I can't see any possible reason why you'd need to talk about this in a college.

I just laughed that it's in the borough, which is a whole.

But you you got to assume that most of these kids are fairly fucking aware. They're in college. They're Presbyterians,

so there's a bit of a religious purity

culture angle to it.

And the whole Atrix.

Beatrix.

I'm an Atrix.

Yeah.

Like, where did that

coincidence come from? I think not.

Name is Beatrix Will.

Do you think this is even a real story?

It's It it's too perfect.

Too perfect.

We're just, you know, it's a

a chance for them to explain what BDSM

is on the Well, and, of course, she's not unattractive.

She's you know, I can't see the picture is fairly small, but she looks

reasonably

attractive. She's not, you know, some fucking old.

Like, she should be

The collar when she's doing her Beatrix,

SM

stuff.

They canceled the event as as soon as the college grew aware of it,

which is a likely thing because it seems like they would want it to be an underground event.

So it's like the public event was canceled, but

but the people are inquiring with the secret passcode

and knocked 3 times and wink twice,

be let in.

I mean, I don't think it's probably that secret, but I also don't think it probably needs to be

in college either. If you're interested in that kind of thing, you can go find that kind of thing.

Right. So was the context a response

to students bringing 50 shades of gray

Yeah. To their dorm room. That that 50 Shades of Grey really went wild, didn't it?

So if they're canceling events

at colleges

and people are still gonna have questions, I think it's an institution of learning.

So I guess, I'll just have to go to her office.

And then she's in the dungeon. Does she have a basement office?

Just the fact that they said consent so fucking many times during that tells you that they're in that,

realm because that's the only realm where they really say consent like that. You have to be in that kind of

mindset because for the rest of us, it's either you wanted to have you got wanted to have sex or it was rape. You know? There's like not like all these other weird layers of consent.

Yeah. No. Like, where they're real specific about it. Like, we're just like, it was rape or it wasn't. Like, that that's the 2 two options we got.

Like,

hey.

Was the rape consensual?

Yeah. No. Exactly. Like, we we we just got 2 things.

Was it a Presbyterian

hug

between 2 Presbyterians? Presbyterians

personally.

Well, that's another reason why we'd like to have her on the stream sometime.

We got a lot of questions

for this chaplain. I don't really wanna know what a Presbyterian

fucking,

chaplain thinks about b b and d s and m.

Like, that's

fucking

weird. Like, can Presbyterians have sex? They're they're they're creature people?

Is that one Oh.

Sex where they can get married and shit? If she's allowed to have

a husband or a wife.

Yeah.

That's a that's a question. I guess we like, some cultures some of them, like, I think, Methodist, they can get married and shipped. And, like, you know, Catholics, they gotta rape little boys.

Yeah. Yeah.

Interesting.

Interesting news story to even pop up.

Yeah. In the morning. Popping up in the morning. What are you thinking about? Turn the TV on.

I'm thinking about consensual consensual sex between adults.

That's a tennis Tennessee Memphis, Tennessee area. I I don't really think about sex with adult other other adults having sex at all, consenting or not. It's just not something I'm concerned myself with. I assume that they're having it. We still got, humans running around, so somebody's fucking.

But, you know

You don't wanna think about your grandparents or your parents doing it, though. No. No. I don't.

That's the worst.

It didn't happen, guys. It just didn't happen.

It's it's a strange thing. Someone brought up the idea of Fahrenheit 451 and

the temperature that books burn at. And now we're at a place

where there's this argument

about

free speech and censorship

and what books people should have access to and what books should be banned. And there's sort of this,

not good faith argument

being forced upon people

that certain books that have

dangerous ideas

see, this is where we even have to tiptoe around because it's such a difficult topic of teaching

children

about sex. People have an idea about the best way to go about it. Like, don't be weird about it.

Let the let the child just leave magazines

in places for them to find or put a book

that's age appropriate for them to learn about different genders and what bodies look like and what health is like.

Now there are books that are

and maybe in the genre of grooming

that everyone's getting kind of upset about the idea

of

the young young young people and old old old people

in compromising situations.

So if those are the books that we're burning,

now are we free speech absolutists?

Is that the argument? And do you equate all books as being equal?

And if it's a public library

or public school,

is this sort of the argument that's being forced upon us to have to say that certain

literature is absolute

smut and garbage and disgusting,

and it shouldn't be printed in the first place.

But that's not daily.

We love you, brother.

Well, the thing is is they're trying to make it into that argument.

And the thing is is that's not really the argument.

Not I don't want to ban any books.

Now do I want my kids seeing a hustler?

Do I want hustlers in the fucking public library? Do I want a book talking about whether a kid wants to get fucking,

you

know

what?

Awful things done to them or whether they like anal or whether they like boys or girls. Like,

no. I fucking don't, and I don't want my kid having access to that in a school. Mhmm. So they they're trying to make it seem like there's an absolutist

thing here. Like, you're making this illegal entirely, and you're not. You're just not giving

my children access to things that are of a sexual nature. And at one point in time, that was normal.

Nobody would have dreamt about talking to your kids about sex

and and fit in there having very intimate conversations with your kids without you being present. But now they seem to think that that you're the weirdo for not wanting that. Like, no. I don't fucking want your ass telling my kids some weird ass

shit. There's a reason that the world's gotten real weird, and you guys got some real weird ideas. And, no, I don't think those should be available in the library.

Now do I think that

in somebody's own private home that they can do what they want and they can have whatever books they want?

Absolutely.

That even to the point where it's not like historically there hasn't been books truly banned like the, the Marquis Des Sade.

You know? Supposedly, the Marquis Des Sade's

writings

and art

were

so

twisted

that they did not feel like the public

could handle it at all. Like, people just lose their fucking mind because of reading the things that he wrote.

Yeah. You know? And start doing I mean, that guy was weird. He talked about, like, cutting holes into people and having sex with that so they'd have another sexual hole and sewing other things.

But, I mean, it was just really fucked up and weird. That guy was wrong in the head.

But

do I believe anything should be made illegal? No.

Like, not in my opinion, but I also do kinda understand

where they're coming from that

the Overton window,

once you move it so far over, you can't move that motherfucker back. And the funny thing is

is the window is only so big. The window itself doesn't get bigger.

So just like when you were 10 and 12, and you thought it was gross to French kiss a girl, because why would you put your tongue in somebody else's mouth? I don't know what the fuck she's been eating or what she's doing, and that's just both.

Like and and then, you know,

you,

at that point in time,

you move that Overton window. Eventually, that slides off the radar. That's no longer a thing in your world.

Eventually,

you know, depending on how far

you move

in your preferences in anything,

you know, including sexual,

eventually, there's things that you thought were horrible that are just part of your world. They're completely acceptable.

Well,

there is something to be said that if you move the Overton window over here to where now this is unacceptable, it automatically pushes

what's acceptable way further.

And so there is an argument to be made to to state that,

you know, and then there are things that

that understanding

that the general public's just dumb and gullible.

And we can understand that, like,

Marilyn Mann or Charlie Manson.

He never murdered anybody, but he was charged off of having

talks

other people supposedly into doing so. You know, having masterminded

a thing,

but not having committed a thing himself.

So at some point in time, there is

recognition that

you can't just say anything or do anything, you know, or say anything

because he never actually touched anybody. He wasn't even there. There is some place, some point where they're like, you can't just say anything.

And and there is a recognition of, yeah,

that that might be better for the general public.

Maybe.

Yeah. With the Apple Vision Pro

being a wearable thing,

everyone is like, that's kind of the lily pad that we leap towards.

What's the next lily pad? Well, now you have implanted

computer chips, SIM cards to your cell phone,

ID chips, that sort of thing. We kind of already know some people have those already.

Now whether or not we need to live in a civilization

where

all of these transhuman,

transgender,

transcendental,

meditating, group minds, all all of these words to go beyond human is what it means. To go beyond

flesh and blood human to transcend

all the things that we are in agreement, it seems, are what make living

worthwhile

knowing that we wake up in the morning, then there's gonna be enough sunlight for the sun to set so we can light a candle, have a dinner, watch a movie, go to bed.

If it was 24 hours of sunlight,

we'd be miserable.

If it's 24 hours of darkness,

we couldn't see anything. We'd be miserable.

So to find the balance

Unless you traded a pack of cools to get your eyes shined.

Yes.

Mental?

Yeah.

Yeah. They knew that was gonna be illegal. It was it was,

you know,

it was foreshadowing to the

making menthols illegal

pretty soon. Sure. And who knows? It would be

I guess the, the final thing on my note card is

government weed patents

2003.

This is an old thing.

Yeah. Had the had the government

patent certain strains, or what's the deal there? And then how come it took them 20 years to kinda give that to everybody.

Everybody Oh, and it it made its way out long before that. Yeah. It made its way out.

And because there's only one company that can study weed,

there's only one company that's government approved to actually study it or do anything with it.

And it's not like some large giant corporation. It's one company.

And they're the same people, like, all these years. And the weed that they've been doing all their tests off of and everything, it all comes out of this one place who grows, like, really horrible weed.

That g 30 was pretty decent,

but it was also during a time when weed was really killer.

Like, some of the competition it had, like, the Fruity Pebbles back then or, like, the sour d or chemdog or something like that.

Oh my

god. Some Romulan.

Afghani.

Oh, that'll put you to sleep.

Shit was good then. It wasn't all this crappy ass fucking

oh, it's gelato.

Oh, it's fucking

runs. Oh, it's fucking

vanilla pudding. Oh, everything's got, like, a candy name to it now. All the vodka flavors.

It's all straight. Yeah. All the yeah. The same thing they're doing with vodka.

Yeah. And it's all garbage.

Like, you know, it looks really pretty, but then

it doesn't do anything.

You're like, oh, this is like having a Ferrari with a fucking 3 with a Geo Metro engine in it. It looks real good, but when I go to hit the gas, it don't go.

Are we living in Wonderland now where everything is

topsy-turvy and upside down and out of balance?

If we're watching news stories that are just absurd and ridiculous on the face of it, then we have to question everything to be

wondering if is that even real? Is there really a chaplain by that name

at that college?

Good. For real. I gave up I gave up the year that they said urine is smells like rotten eggs.

That was that was benefit for me. When that was an actual science thing that they recorded, I was like, yep. I'm done.

I'm done with this.

You guys aren't even trying. Right. And, you know, you fuckers are just snickering behind the scenes right

I'm fucking trying anymore. The promise of the Internet being a great vast library of knowledge and information and then having a headset

so you could explore that virtual library and then just have the words on the screen appear so you could read them and just learn and go to college and get education. It's just

I don't even want that anymore knowing that

the news stories are gonna be the planet Uranus smells like rotten eggs

and just silly,

dumb

headlines.

But people believe it.

It's like like that image of Pluto,

the planet,

and it looks like

the cartoon head of Pluto the dog from Disney.

Yeah.

The craters and the planet. Mhmm. Just a.

You believe us?

Because we're smarter than you.

Or

or or that fucking literal NASA scientist to put up a fucking

microscope picture of a fucking churro,

you know, and then claim he found a new a new solar system or something,

and it was a fucking churro. And then the worst part is somebody else had apparently also looked at a churro under a microscope

and was like, that's a churro.

Yeah. Oh, like

yes.

They're undermining themselves.

It's probably one of them.

Like, put out the chiro. Does anybody know? Does anybody have said anything? Oh, no. Let's put out the picture of the real churro.

Me. Somebody caught that?

Somebody else has fucking looked at a churro with a microscope?

You gotta be kidding me. No. And he saw our picture.

What? What are the fucking odds?

Yeah. We're gonna do it. We're gonna definitely do the audiobook thing. We're gonna each have our own voices.

Rachel's Rachel's gonna have to be all the female voices.

That's a good idea.

Unless it's like a manly female.

Yeah, if they notice it, girl, I'm racist.

That is absolutely

the plan. You fucking anti Semite. Denmark,

I

think.

Yeah.

Is

that

is

that

released yet?

Denmark, I think.

Yeah. Is that is that released yet?

I don't know if it's released yet, but, yeah, that interview was hilarious. This reporter's like, why don't you have more color more ethnic people in there? They're like,

it's about

Denmark in the middle ages. They weren't there. Yeah.

Like, we're trying to be period correct.

They're fucking Mads Mikkelsen. He just fucking starts laughing because he's just and everybody's, like, making fun of this reporter instead of, you know, it did not go the way that the guy thought it was gonna be like.

That's that's the best way going forward is just to

laugh

more. Just laugh at everything. Anything that makes you angrier,

you don't know. You're like, you're furrier brow when you get angry or

Have you seen John Strickland? Chuckle. What that nigga was doing?

Strickland,

Sean. No. Yeah. He was the UFC champion.

Oh, god. That dude was hilarious. Like, he would there's there's people up there, like, some reporter asked him about something won't you know, like, oh, you said this and it's homophobic, and he just he just stops letting the dude talk. He's like, this man

is the problem.

He is a disease.

Like, it just starts going off,

like, in the middle of a press report, and he did that a bunch of different times for shit like that. They'd be like, you are the disease.

You are one of the reasons our country is worth a shit. He's like, you guys pretend like you like, people agree with you. Nobody agrees with you. You just have the microphone.

Like, he just was shit not. And when you're the when you're the fucking,

you know, UFC

champion, how many people are gonna talk back, you know, get real shitty with you back.

Like, you're gonna say what you fucking want.

And the UFC

and WWE,

have they merged officially? Are they Yeah. Staying on the other company? With that. Right? Yeah. Isn't that weird?

Mhmm. That is bizarre.

It would be fun though to see, like,

fucking,

you know, like Nate Diaz,

you know, grab on to, like, fucking

Connor McGregor and do, like, a fucking off the octagon

into the center fucking pile driver or something. You know?

Oh,

So if the UFC contracts

have a stipulation that they have

to participate in a world wrestling entertainment event,

You think UFC fighters would drop out of that, or would they be excited about it? I think they're just gonna have more crossover stuff, which they've been having crossover stuff for years. Sure. Like, you think about it back in the day, Ken Shamrock was probably the first big one, you know, big UFC type UFC fighter that went and then he ended up being a real big WWF

star.

And there there's been crossover stuff, you know, quite a bit since then. And then most recently with Brock Lesnar, where he's jumped back and forth back and forth.

You know?

So I think it kinda has the crossover

appeal a lot anyways. So I think it was probably a good business move.

And then it gives

opportunity. I mean, I I don't think a lot of these guys are gonna be able to do it.

But some, a couple,

are gonna be well, I mean, a lot of the UFC fighters are gonna be able to do WWF.

I don't think that you're gonna get as many WWF guys capable of doing UFC.

Like, even Batista,

if you remember Batista, he did a couple of you he I think he did 1 or 2 UFC fights, and it wasn't good. Like you could tell he was overwhelmingly

powerful, but zero skill.

And then when you're that muscular,

and don't get me wrong, what they're doing is extraordinarily

athletic,

but not in a fighting

type way. Not well, not like these fighters are. Like like, some of them, some of the shit that they do, like Demetrius Johnson,

you ever see that guy? He goes he fucking does, like, a head kick while his whole body's still in air, transitions into a fucking armbar,

decides he doesn't like the armbar, and he suddenly, like, fucking got you in, like, a completely other thing. And his feet haven't even hit the fucking ground.

Yeah. You know? Like,

they

Maybe it turns into a ballroom blitz, and then everyone just has to dance

the fandango, and then it's like in Greece where there's a contest,

and then we can just vote them off.

Hogan versus Don Fry would have been

fantastic. Fantastic.

See all these athletes having to do silly dances.

That'd be fun.

No. Nobody would watch that. It's like Dancing with the Stars. Everybody watches Dancing with the Stars.

Woah.

What the fuck is are you talking about?

Where people dance with celebrities on television.

Sometimes they do the rumba, sometimes they do the zumba. It's

a

ballroom dancing thing. Do we show with with stars

dancing with real dancers. Like a competitive dance show. They have judges. Competitive dance.

Fucking dumb.

Okay. Dude, what really wanna see?

Dude, fucking,

Rose's fucking sister,

I don't fucking know, dude. Fucking I thought she was bullshitting me this whole time, and I was like, I'm sick of her. And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, lady. And I'm like, this sounds ridiculous to me. And then she's trying to talk to me about the Emmys or something and what these people were in, like, Oscars or something. This person was saying this, and Wolfers had showed up with this and she, like, looks at me, like, expectantly. And I'm like, I I I don't know who any of those people are.

None of them are award winner winners. Yeah. None of them are award in the war. They've never won an award.

And so and so then she's telling me about this show called Fuck Boy Island, which I totally think she's waking up and just No. It's I think it's real. Expecting me to react. I'm not saying that. I know like I do to Alan Marcus half the time, like, when he's talking about some weird shit on fucking so, you know, and I'm like, he's making this up. I know he's making this up. He wants me to react.

Like, well, again, and I'm expecting and and she wasn't. Like, she really then produce some show called fuck boy island, and people watched that shit.

It's like, no way. That shit's real, and I didn't believe it was real until I was watching,

conspiracy social club. And then Brian Callan started talking about how he watches it. I'm like,

what the fuck that was real?

Like,

somebody produced that shit and other people watch it? Yeah. What what was the concept of that show?

Was it, like, young guys and older women?

I I don't know.

I can't remember when the fucking producer too was telling me about it, and I still don't remember. My brain was just like

Oh, right. So there's man there. There's 3 women

and 24 men,

and some of the men are the f boys,

and some of the men are the nice guys.

So they're these 3 women are trying to determine the motive of these men to determine if they're just there to get laid

or to marry someone.

Oh, god.

Like, she'd already talked to me about the Emmy thing before that. So the fucking my brain was already just shut off. I think I coulda remembered that.

But I was already, like, at the

point because she talked me about the IVs with Telly. And she wasn't just

like, oh, this show 1 or something like that. She's sitting here telling me about the interpersonal relationships of these people, and I don't fucking know any of

them. Like, I don't want I I don't have TV lady.

I don't really know. And if I did, I might have liked the show, but I probably don't know the person or, like, give it and if I know their name, it's not like I idolize them. I don't give a shit.

You know, if I met somebody I liked your show,

like, I've had a number of famous friends and, you know, that's part of that is because I'm not impressed. Like, okay, I liked your show.

If you're cool, you're cool. If you're not, you're not. I, you know, that's

no different to me than, like, Jim does fantastic work at his job.

Like, that's just your job, you know, that's all your job is making shows or making music

or whatever. Making amazing sculptures. Yeah. Or or, like,

Richard Knack. You know? It was awesome meeting him. It was really cool. I mean, I I thought his books when I was a kid, and I still do,

were fucking

amazing, and he's an amazing author. But,

like, am I, like, oh my god.

Like, no. It's cool to talk to him for sure, but it's not like I'm idolizing or freaking out.

People are people.

The point was to spread STDs. I'm not sure what that's in reference to, but it's On the, the island show.

Oh, the island show? Yeah. The whole point was to spread STDs. Yeah.

Yeah.

I was watching something last night talking about some fucking,

I think it's in Arizona,

some old folks community that's got, like, the highest fucking amount of STDs in the fucking country.

It's all old folks that live there. I'm like, what the fuck?

So the Nomai is a no go. Stay out of

that desert.

I can't remember the old drum circle that we will not be playing in. Oh,

shit.

The first thing they show with some old lady, she's like, she's like, you'll never forget your gummer. My my my my.

My. I was like, oh my god.

Oh, man.

It is it is an election year, and I I do wanna see all these political candidates on television

dancing,

line dancing, square dancing,

marimba, mambo, all the dances.

I'd rather see them dance.

Interesting till the primaries are done. They're still pretending like there's a primary.

Yeah.

Like, they got what,

Trump and, what's her name are still supposed to come out. That one what's that one chick still hasn't quite thrown in the towel even though everybody else did.

The one that wants everybody to have like, register to use the Internet and shit. Like, shit.

Yeah. It sucks. That's gross.

No. Thanks. Periodic

geriatrics,

syphilis, hot zone in Florida.

When I worked at the I worked at an old folks home

when I was 16,

which was crazy.

You know? Because I got my,

my ex wife pregnant when we were 16.

And the bucket,

you know, my dad didn't pay for that shit, and the only overnight job in the little shithole town I was from in the area was the old folks home. And that was the only way I could pay for that. So I started working at the old folks home. And, yeah. Oh, yeah.

They were supporting.

Yeah. Wiping butts. You betcha.

You betcha. That was it it was a it was a definite

No. Absolutely

not.

I don't know if that's changed since then, but back then, I believe.

I

made I made 4 a quarter at the feed and see, and I think I made 475

at the old folks' home.

Yeah.

It was not good thing. It was a it was a Medicare facility, so there was only 22 of us

in the facility.

So it was horribly understaffed,

horrible pay. How many sponges did you have?

More than 1.

Yeah. You have to keep ringing it out. No.

And you'd have to watch it because I worked the overnight shift, so you'd have to watch it. Like,

you know, you knew it was proactive. You had to be careful going in their room where you're gonna see some things you did not wanna see.

God bless them.

Yeah.

Hopefully, it was intentional.

And I tell you what,

old folks, like,

at first, you're, like, it's an old married couple, and you're, like, oh, that's sweet, and they're still active. That's cool. I hope that I'm still active when I'm 75

with my wife. And then, like, the wife dies, and old folks don't fuck around. Like, that wife dies. Like, that dude's in some other chick's bed, like, 2 weeks later or, like, a week later.

Wow.

Like, sure. A couple of weeks left in this. You know? Like, I don't know when I'm not gonna be able to do this anymore. I'm just

Alan Marcus is like, I'm ready to be auctioned now.

Does he take it? Did Alan did you need to take the BDNS

and M course?

Are you interested in these? That was a networking. I tried to take a networking

class, and it was I out of the 4 Computer networking. 4. It Computer network. 4 of the

bondage, discipline, sadism, or mass is

your favorite?

Are the 4 quadrants?

PTA.

So I have to think about that.

All of

them? I I I haven't had a bathroom break yet, so I can't answer. And Mario got a bathroom break. It's only 5. Have to hold tie this over until next week.

I know where the question lives.

That's true. Maybe I'll answer it on Rockfin. Can we can we end YouTube here and then go to Rockfin and then

Yeah. You can, actually. All you gotta do is click the stream that. Say good night, YouTube. End stream. Good night.

Good night, YouTube.

Live in the morning. That. Don't do that, Jim. Don't do that to to just do what we're saying, just to check it out. Yep. Why? You just go like this and click on the,

the little spider symbol there. Yep. And because the auction doesn't have it, and then you just click you just click remove.

And don't

delete it, and it it it will give you an option box of delete on YouTube.

Do not click on that and then just click remove. Remove it. And then

Now we're still on Rockfin. Now you can see that we're still on Rock Fin. Oh. And we ended on the YouTube stream, but it didn't actually delete the YouTube stream. They just it left it up and ended it here. And then allowed everybody

who only comes over to the Rockfit side

to hear what kind of a dirty pervert Marcus hit me.

Right. So now that we've ended the YouTube, I can't send the link to the YouTube through the StreamYard.

Some of those guys will probably see us over on the Rockfin. We'll see.

Yeah. Fun fun stuff.

Fun stuff. What what can we say in Iraq? And that we can't say in YouTube.

The vaccines If you don't even gotta say the whole word,

you just gotta tell us whether it's b, d, s, or m.

Pick a letter.

I don't remember what to stand for.

Or f because we won't set furry because you're dressed like a fucking Raichu,

and I'm not sure if people don't think that that's a real animal. Sunshine. And you're not trying to do a furry thing here. I'm not a 100% sure. Sunshine. Sunshine.

So, you know, in terms of the human experience, there's

there's voyeurism.

What was the other word is exhibitionism?

Kind of the same thing. Well, it's different interplace of it. The whole the whole human performative thing.

It gets to be interesting.

Kinda the same.

Mhmm.

So that's your thing?

Not the BD and S and M you wanna go out and hump in public?

No. Not in public.

No.

We

were talking about where you could potentially get caught?

No. That doesn't sound

fun at all.

No.

It's not comfortable.

With a dude in the closet watching you?

No. No. That's not gonna do it either.

Some really nice dinners,

nice music, candle lights, rose petals,

something nice, something

something traditional and classic. Isn't that sort of the Like a Yankee Dan Mhmm. Yankee Dandy,

vanilla sanded candle?

Maybe we could make candles together. Wouldn't that be nice? Make our own candles.

Are there different types of waxes?

One that's really hot, one that burns hot.

You might wanna you might wanna start dating some animals girls. I'm not sure.

I'm always maybe Mennonite as well.

Yeah. Yeah.

Depending on your area, you know. I I There's also there's also how to them.

And basically anything that ends with ike, you know. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. I do see them sometimes, and they're cute little little bonnets. I think I said we had a garage sale,

sort of a garage. So we just put things in our driveway when

the city was having its citywide garage sale, and there was this van that pulled up and

I don't know if they're Hutterite or Mennonite, but they had their little bonnets on and they all kinda walked up,

walked around in a chain, looked at everything, walked out. They didn't see any Tupperware or any

anything that they could use, any tools or anything. And I was like, oh, no. I I disappointed them.

Right. So if I have another garage sale, I gotta put out.

What do what do let me let me take that back. If I have another garage sale, I have to put it out. That's a maybe You know, maybe a nice butter churn? Butter churn. Yeah. Lemonade. Recipe books, do you think they like recipe books?

Who who doesn't like recipe books? Well, do the Mennonite, the Hutterites, the Amish?

Do they

specifically

like old

Swedish, Norwegian

recipe books?

Well, it depends on which area they're calling.

Northern Minnesota.

Depends on which area their colony is from. You know? Like, Northern Minnesota, I'm not sure what the

where they're from. I know Southern Minnesota

Yes.

I mean, in their little church, do they have a church building

out on a country road on a Sunday morning?

Norweep. Are we

They were. I what what

what are we doing over here?

What trickery are we doing? Testing the rock fin. Testing

the rock fin.

We'll see if it backfires. To be careful what I'm saying now. We're still that there's trickery going on here.

Yes. Shenanigans.

It is working.

Some fucking Marcus Allen shenanigans.

It's not to me. I'm just my hands are

shuffling cards. Get over to the South Dakota that's.

Oops.

Doing the sound cuts.

Yeah. I got the other video here. This is the video I wanted to play. Let's see if I rewind it. Look. Start from the beginning. This is ridiculous. I've done nothing wrong. So little miss Muffet here was sat on a tuffet just eating some curds and whey. Then along came a spider who sat down beside her, and that's then frightened miss Muffet.

Country. I can sit where I want. But you're not just sitting, are you? Look, what did he say? Well, he asked if I wanted to see his 9th leg. Really? Look, you've already got restraining order from Blake. You're You're not You're not

You know, climb the water spout? Oh, propositioning an officer. That's another offense to add to your record. Yeah. And from what we've heard, it wouldn't be much to climb anyway. Knife leg. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I can call you the bitsy bitsy slider over the razor. Paper fart or That's just me. Oh,

Shout out to this guy.

Yeah. That's the one.

Spider comedy.

Oh, fuck. The itsy bitsy spider.

Okay. I am I haven't enjoyed a nursery rhyme so much

since, dice since dice fell off.

And you dice Clay?

Yeah. You remember the old nursery rhymes from Dice. Right?

Some of them

bring back comedy.

You like that? The one for little miss Muffet was what? Little miss muffin sat on her tuffet

eating her curds in a way. Along came a spider and sat down beside her and said,

gospel. It's a bit it's a gospel spider. Here it is. It's a bit it's a spider gospel. It's a bit it's a

spider.

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Wash

the spider out. Oh, I can't hear it. My mercy, Jesus. You guys can't. You can't hear it?

No. Testing over here to see. Weird. Did you hear the Itsy Bitsy Spider song

No. Through the StreamYard

in

Chrome.

I'm in Chrome, but, no, I I don't hear it.

If I do my loop back, I could probably try it again.

See if you hear this

music Mine might be turned off to show stuff because I don't get a lot of the,

video graphics.

Now I'm here in the,

mister crack spider.

I'm playing it through the Chrome. I got my loop back. If I turn the loop back off,

you still hearing it play?

Yeah. Nice lab, mister Cracks bite. Yeah.

I thought that Mhmm. Jump out and then jump back in.

Well, did you hear a sound before?

When you played the video, the BDSM

news video. Okay. Yes. You heard that. But you weren't hearing

from within

the branding on StreamYard. No.

No. K. This has happened before. I think it's just a re reboot on my end.

Alright. Well, we can we can say good night to Rockfin now. They've seen it up behind the scenes footage.

Yeah. I heard the answer. Extra for you.

Gonna wrap it up and say good night to, Justin Talbot and all the other folks on the Rockfin.

We'll see if it backfills it. I I think it will go back and

I I think so there's yeah. There's pictures of Mario on the thumbnail.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Yeah. It seems to me like they like, it always has because I Yeah. The whole video is there. Kinda might fucked up. Who's gonna click what

gonna click the end stream button and see if it ends the stream now?

Then stream.

weaving spiders webs