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Aside from his adventures on the front line of schizophrenia research, Jerry is a licensed commercial pilot and has been a certified SCUBA diver since 1972.

• Unveiling the Truth: Schizophrenia and Negative Entities
• Exploring the Spiritual Dimensions of Schizophrenia
• Voices and Entities: Insights from a Psychotherapist
• Schizophrenia, Drugs, and Addiction

AMAZING JOURNEY INTO THE PSYCHOTIC MIND

www.jerrymarzinsky.com

In this episode, we delve into the fascinating topic of schizophrenia and challenge the commonly held belief that it is solely a biochemical imbalance in the brain. We explore the spiritual aspect of mental illness and share personal experiences and insights. Our guest, Jerry Marzinsky, a retired psychotherapist who worked extensively with schizophrenic patients, joins us for an insightful interview. Jerry shares his experiences and sheds light on the nature of voices and entities that schizophrenic individuals often encounter.

We also discuss the influence of negative entities on human thoughts and emotions, particularly in relation to schizophrenia and drug use. We explore the experiences of a person dealing with schizophrenia and the use of drugs to manage the condition. We touch on the topic of addiction and recovery highlighting the challenges faced by individuals with schizophrenia.

After hour 3 we address the demoralization campaign in the media and emphasize the importance of decentralized leadership.

Lastly, we talk about the significance of regular cleaning in large-scale production and introduce our guest, Belle Figuero. We also touch on the use of heavy metal music and its impact on intrusive thoughts. Join us for an engaging and enlightening conversation on the multifaceted nature of schizophrenia and its spiritual dimensions.

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practical effects.  

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Do you watch a lot of movies?  

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Not a lot. I watch Oh, Balderson hit the button. We're live. 11 seconds in. Welcome to We've Inspires, everybody.   I didn't see that. I hate to get the button.  

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Okay. Well, now It is AM CST.   We're early tonight. We got  

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We we we've got an exciting oh.  

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You got it, SB.  

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There we go. Well, I had my, my YouTube window open, so I was getting a delay. Folks, welcome to an early rendition of Weaving Spider's Welcome, and we're gonna play the introduction Video here in just a minute. But we have an exciting show for you tonight. Jerry Marzynski has agreed to join us, and he does amazing work. But we're gonna have a big big Surprising to tell you about that when we get back. And, so, boy, I would just, I'd play that introduction, Alan, and let's, let's leave them hanging on the edge of the seat. I think that's the way to Sorry.  

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It'll be loud and obnoxious. We're warning you now. We're gonna get some energy.   Everyone awake and excited.  

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I'll take my Please please  

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yeah. It's a good idea. I do that sometimes. Please share the link out and, invite people if you want them to enjoy a good show tonight.  

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Just make sure I rewind the tape here.  

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The tape.  

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Don't you want devoted followers   Who leave their families for you, give their money to you,   give their bodies to you,   give up their lives for you,   Consider you God,   and we'll kill for you.   I love you.   You need protection.   Don't tell them who you just   are. 1 of them is about important information or historic information.   We're a meditation. We're a world class meditation.   We're a person.   We're a trusted leader.   Promise to fulfill their dreams.   Don't give them kind of things.   Diminish doubting consideration by separating your new recruits from each other.   Surround them with happy true believers. So when in doubt, they will tend to do what everyone around them is doing and believe that to the norm.  

Start with a prolonged period of love   surround that with unconditional love and attention. Your called family should act friendly and interested.   Get information   Gradually, over time, you'll be in the shape of your needs to be taken by granting or withholding.   And   after they've promised, well, we start making your demands of us. The message   Come live with us. Anytime.   Beat the spoon.   All you need is 2 hours sleep.   It's fine. A rigid   And chanting.   Stand out, down. Stand out, down. Stand out, down. Stand out, down. Practice prolonged hours of meditation.   In these trance states, they are more receptive and suggestible.  

Revert them back to childhood dependence and mindless Less obedient.  

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I think we're ready to begin.   Those guitar solos can go on forever if you let them. Oh, man.  

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Great video.  

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Yeah. Welcome to the end of the introduction. Welcome back to Weaving Spider's Welcome.   I see. Jerry Jerry was smart and took his headphones off. I took one ear off. That was an aggressive introduction, Alan Marcus, but I think appropriate for our time here.   Folks, I'm gonna go ahead and just read the short,   bio that, that Jerry sent me. Jerry Marzynski is getting to be pretty well known out here on these internets.   But as it says here, Jerry is a retired licensed psychotherapist with over 40 years of experience working with and studying the thought process   of psychotic and criminally insane patients in some of the most volatile psychiatric institutions in the nature.  

Jerry is a commercial pilot, Certified scuba diver and long distance motorcyclist.   He's held the position of second lieutenant in the Arizona Civil Air Patrol and assistant scout master. He was awarded the state of Arizona's meritorious service award   and the Pima College Apple Award of Teaching Abnormal Psychology.   It's formal academic training, comprises a BA in psychology from Temple University, a master's degree in counseling from University of Georgia, And 2 years of study in a PhD psychology program. He's the coauthor of an amazing journey into the psychotic mind along with, Sherry Sweeney,   Breaking the spell of the ivory tower and is currently   oh, there's a mistake there. Currently, it has a private practice in Arizona. Alright. So   And there's more than that, but, you know, we're we're not gonna ramble on Jerry. You've done a lot, and we appreciate you joining us tonight. So  

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Well, I I got some questions for you guys after watching that introduction.  

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Well, first of all, Where did you come up with That's not all of us, Jerry. That is not all of us, sir.   So  

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Where Where did you come up for the name of this site? And what was that introduction? Well, I didn't understand  

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anything other. Sure. That's What is it? What was that all about? King Crimson played that in 1969   and blew everyone's faces off, and they weren't ready for it. That's the power of rock and roll, and I'd like to maybe talk about   music in terms of energies and vibrations   and   How it can raise a vibration, how it can lower a vibration, and who are some of your favorite bands?  

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What are my Some of my favorite bands? Yes. What's what's some of your favorite music?   I like the Eagles.   Nice. I like,   what is it? Steamroller? Who's it?   What's their their first name? Some something steamroller.  

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I don't think I heard of that one.   So  

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The Eagles. Yeah. I'm familiar with Eagles. The Eagles.  

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What  

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else?   No pressure, Jerry. If if more pop up, they can tell Music is got a music where it's just crazy. Music. Is it Manheim Steamroller? Yeah. Manheim Steamroller. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I'm Steve Miller is pretty cool. I'm  

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I'm I'm a little bit older than you guys, so, you know, my my favorite music goes through the sixties into the seventies.   Probably stuff you guys never heard of.  

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Oh, they had a lot of feedback there. The good stuff. I'm a musician, so I got a lot of that stuff under my belt, but I understand. And And I wanna I wanna answer your question since it looks like, you know, Alan Alan Marcus is the one who produces these introduction videos. The rest of us, if we if we have any input at all, it's probably to say, well, don't make it 20 minutes. Only make it 10.   And, you know, I think Alan's intention is to give us That slightly off kilter feeling to just bring people out of their norm. Now I'm speculating. I've never asked. Yeah. Well well well, it did that. Exactly. It doesn't shake some people up. What what was that guy saying? What what what were they say I didn't understand anything of what they were saying. Is From a video which I believe to be a parody video of a cult  

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training video. So   The idea is if you want to be a cult leader,   follow these steps, and then people will be attracted to you As a cult   leader.   So with these cults and new age groups   and these charismatic figures, a lot of them have a from online, and they get a large following just because they're very   confident, and they tell people what they wanna hear. So they might say   some truthful things. They might dip their toes into the bible and Christianity   and tell you just enough that you wanna hear. But But at the end of the day, they're probably grifters,   probably just wanna take your money,   and ultimately not really there to help you.  

So that's what that introduction was all about? It's sort of it's sort of a warning to say that there's a lot of bad advice   on the Internet. And when people go on the Internet to ask, well, what is schizophrenia?   Are they getting the actual   answer?  

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Are they getting the true answer? Exactly. Fuck no. It's a great answer.  

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Right.  

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For the most part, no. To answer your other question Where did the where did the weaving spider web come from? Where where did   So there's a there's a member's   welcome. Where Where where's that all from? There's a there's a member who's now absent who doesn't join us anymore, who's the cofounder of the stream along with the gentleman there,   Jim,   and his name is David Barsky, and David Barsky,   came up with the,   the the title Weaving Spiders Welcome Here.   And the reason for that is because, at the famous, California   secret club,   the Bohemian Grove Club, which I'm sure you've heard of, you know, it's kinda like a, right, secret elite club where they get together and make their their plans and stuff. Apparently, there's a sign outside of the Bohemian,   Grove Club that says, weaving spiders come not here. And so Barsky's idea was to make it Open and inviting instead of, being wary of and afraid of the spiders. Just say, well, if you wanna be a spider and weave, You're welcome to come here and weave with us, and so that's the We're the ones they're afraid of.  

Yeah. That that was   It's it's from Shakespeare.  

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There's a quote in Shakespeare talking about   weaving spiders coming out here and That sort of thing. So it kinda gets lost   over time where there's an original meaning, and it means something. And then over time, it sort of gets Lost what the actual meaning is. And then in the realm of conspiracy   where people want to be afraid of things,   They'll point to Alex Jones   taking a video camera into a place in California   where politicians   meet up And then maybe plan to take over the world, this sort of thing. So we took that and said, no. We're we're taking it back. We're going to make it positive. We're going to free the minds of people   from bad ideas and try to explore positive ideas that set people   Free and allow them to be all that they can be. So it's got a positive connotation,   but we have to sort of trudge through the shadows to kind of identify what is   Kind of bad. And what is the shadows? And how do you do shadow work? And is it even a good thing to expose yourself to dark entities   And try on schizophrenia  

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for fun or try drugs to see if you can communicate with spirits and No. No. You don't try on schizophrenia for any for fun. It's no fun. Right.   So where do you guys wanna start?  

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Let's start with schizophrenia not being fun.  

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It's hell. Yeah. It it's hell on earth.   You know, imagine   imagine a voice in your head   24 hours a day telling you you're stupid. You're ugly. You're gross. Nobody likes you. Everybody's talking about you. People are plotting against you.   Yeah. And it sounds like your own thoughts,   and you don't know any better.  

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psychiatrist   psychiatric mafia is saying, y'all, these are hallucinations.   Yeah.   Now everybody   has a thought stream in their head that is rambling all the time.   You know? And   most people believe that's who they are.   If that's who they are,   That's who you are. Then then who's listening to that bunk?  

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It's a great question.  

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Well, that's us. Right?  

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Well, that's I mean, that No. I I, I appreciate you saying that, Jerry, because that's   a that's a big part of what's helped me to not   Not identify with negative thoughts and to kill that, intrusive,   you know, voice. And I know that when we get to the level of schizophrenia,   then   It's absolutely overwhelming to the point where you're not able to to parse reality,   but all of us have at least some experience with intrusive negative thoughts. Oh, yeah. And, and I had a counselor help me to to pretty much that same thing that you just said was that the beginning of me   Really being able to to change that. And what she told me was to cancel it, to say out loud, cancel or stop. Use some affirmative   Just like your friend Sherry Sweeney says, you know, that's a lie. That's a lie. Right? Some kind of interjection that that stops it, and then my counselor taught me to also add   Some kind of mild, believable affirmation to myself. A small compliment on top of the cancellation process.  

Because   Whatever that higher self is, the the   the consciousness that's witnessing the voices and the things that are going on,   that's a mystery. But if If you can get to it, then for me, I found peace. That was the beginning of finding peace. Like, oh, I'm not this rattling, rambling thing of interjections and contradictions.   There's something   quiet and still   that can be the observer of all of this instead of being Identifying with it. So  

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Yeah. See, we're taught from the time we're we're kids that, you know, every thought that comes into your mind belongs to you.   Yep. That's dead wrong.   Right. Matter of fact, Emmanuel Swedenborg says no thought that comes into your head belongs to you. It either comes in from the dark side or it comes in from the heavenly side.   You're the chooser.   You know? You're the you're the radio   That receives these thoughts.   And you receive them at the at a frequency where you're at right now.   And the higher the frequency, the less of the negative   thoughts you get.  

Yeah. The lower the frequency, the more of the negative thoughts get. Just like the native Americans say, you've got a wolf on each shoulder.   You know, the one you feed is the one that's gonna grow.   So these these negative entities, they're around us all the time. They're swarming all over the place. Each of us has 2 negative ones assigned to them   and 2 positive ones, 2 2 angelic guardian angels.   So   Manuel Swedenborg,   he lived, 300 years ago. He was one of the top scientists of his day. He was the chief mining engineer for the Queen of Sweden, made her a Fortune. He was also precognitive.   He he knew stuff that was gonna happen in the future.  

He was a a top scientist of his day, and at age 50,   he reported that Christ came to him and said, okay. Knock off all the scientific stuff. Knock off studying about the world. You know, it's basically an illusion.   I'm gonna give you access to heaven and hell,   And I want you to go there, talk to the entities that are living in both places, and then come back and write about it and tell the world about it.   Yep. Tell them what you see in heaven. Tell them what you see in hell.   And he did that. He wrote   scores of volumes.   The the most common one, the the the one that's probably   more understandable is the one called Heaven and Hell   by Emmanuel Swedenborg.  

So he's the one who came back and said,   you've got 2 guardian angels assigned to you, if not more,   And at least 2 demons assigned to you. And they're assigned they're assigned to destroy your life.   And they hate the human race. They can't stand humans,   and they're also parasites.   So what they do is they They may they do their best to get you upset,   and then they suck your energy.   And you could see that with schizophrenics.   You know, I started questioning them about I noticed that, when I first went to work at one of the biggest psychiatric hospitals on the planet   Is that after these voices attacked them, they didn't have any energy.  

It was gone,   but they didn't use it. They were just tossing and turning in bed all night. And yet they're they're reporting there is Energetically drained as if they were working in the hot sun all day with the digging,   holes with the pickaxe. They were totally exhausted. They had no energy After their voices attacked.   I didn't know what that was all about,   you know, but it was consistent.   You can talk to any schizophrenic.   Ask him how much energy do you got before the voices come, How much energy do you have after?   And they're drained.  

So   there was a one to one correlation between the voices appearing   And the the patient being drained.   So   they didn't realize that until I brought it up and asked them.   You know? And   once I I heard it from one one schizophrenic, I started asking all the others. And there was no lack of schizophrenics at the state hospital. There were plenty to work with, and all of them were reporting the same thing. Once the voices come,   their energies   vanished.   So   the question was, where did it go,   and and who took it?   I suspected the voices took it.   They didn't know.  

So I'd I'd ask them,   hey. You real you   You know that before the voices come,   you have a fair amount of energy. After the voices leave, how much energy you got left? They said, none.   You know? So I said, well, where did it go?   And they go, I don't know.   That that was a common answer among scores of them. I don't know. And I would say, Well, if you stuck your hand in a fire   a a 1000 times   and each time you got burned,   what's burning you?   They didn't have any trouble with hey. Yeah. It's the fire.   But if you rephrase that and you go, okay.   You've been hearing the voices for years.  

They've come thousands of times. Every time they attacked you, you didn't have any energy left. Where did your energy go?   They go, I don't know.   You know? It it's it's like they were being blocked from That awareness.   Every once in a while, one would go, the voices took it.   You know?   I didn't know where it was going. I I thought for years   that   that energy drain was due to the negativity of the voices.   You know, they're they're always saying horrible, nasty, rotten things.   24 hours a day, these guys are listening to this bullcrap in their head, and it's always negative. So I went, well, if I was listening to that for 24 hours a day, I probably wouldn't have any energy either.   You know?  

But one day,   When I was working at the,   state prison in the psychology department,   you know, and it helped. I wanna say it helped to be a,   what do you call it? An adrenaline junkie   with these investigations.   If I wasn't an adrenaline junkie, I don't know if I could have done this, you know, what I was doing.   But I was assigned to   a very rough unit and also the jail for the prison.   So the jail for the prison, The central detention unit was where   all the bad guys from all around the prison would go to this jail.   So they were the worst of the worst in there.  

And I was assigned to provide such services for that place.   And,   One day, I I came to work and here was,   an inmate letter on my desk saying, hey. Listen. I'm I'm locked in this little cell with this psycho.   He's standing over me at 3 o'clock in the morning. He's staring at me. He's talking to himself   all day long. He's getting in arguments with himself.   You know, he's driving me nuts.   You'd gotta do something to help me. And they This guy's locked in a little 10 by 10 cell with this other   guy. So I go to the computer,   and I I punch up this guy's record and to see   What the what was going on with him? How come he was in that   unit? And it turns out he was there for protective custody.  

What he did was snitched off the area mafia,   a nasty prison group,   snitched off one of their drug deals,   And they wanted him dead   because they broke up that gang. They they got confiscated   all their drugs, and they spread all their members through prisons throughout the state. So that was devastating for the this gang these gangsters.   They wanted him dead. They'd already stabbed him once.   He was there for protective custody. They wanted him dead so bad   that   some of them   got into trouble enough to be sent to the Central detention unit. They kept getting in trouble over and over. They got sent there. Their purpose was to kill this guy.   So They only let them out one at a time, and they would only let them out 1 hour a day to go out in this fenced area to get some sunshine.  

So they couldn't physically get to this guy, but what would what they were doing was throwing notes under his door saying,   We're here. We're gonna kill you. 1st chance we get.   So here, the gangsters out there waiting to kill this guy, And he's locked in there with a Fleming,   paranoid schizophrenic that's   wasn't medicated and out of control,   Locked in this little 10 by 10 room, and the thing the guy staring at him at 3 in the morning just standing there staring down at him. So he didn't know what this guy was capable of. I mean, you couldn't be under much more stress   than that other than a war. And that's what I thought.  

That's why I thought the energy left because these guys were being stressed by the voices.   But   I I I went over there and I called the,   I called the the sane guy up first, the guy who wrote me the the inmate letter,   And, watched him come up the steps. He had plenty of energy. He didn't have to use the handrail. He just kinda bounded up the steps and Walked briskly over to the interview room, but near the control room,   sat down.   His speech was coherent. It flowed.   He was nervous. He was anxious.   You know, he's a little bit depressed, but he had he had plenty of energy.   You know? Then I I after I was done with him,   it said, you know, I I don't have a lot of power as a psych. You know, the the people who run the units have the power. I'll see what I can do to help you out.  

Let him go, and then I brought the schizophrenic up.   He he   he barely made it up the steps. I mean, he had to use the Handrail.   He shuffled over the office. He sat down. He slumped. His speech was slow. He was extremely depressed.   He didn't have any energy. I asked him, how's your energy level? He said, it's it's it's doesn't virtually nonexistent.   You know? So   After I saw those 2 guys, I walked out of there and I went   it it's not   it it's not the the   The voice is telling them bad things. There's something else going on here. There's something else that's draining these. It's it's not the anxiety. I thought it was the anxiety. I thought, you know, if you're hearing that crap 24 hours a day, you you know, it it would get to you.   I walked out of there where it's not that. You know?  

So so what is it?   You know? I didn't know what it was, but I know it wasn't the anxiety.   So that opens up another thing. Okay. Start looking for something else.   And   What I started seeing   when I I started working the biggest psychiatric hospital on the planet. I mean, there were   10,000 patients there or so when I got there. It was the size of a small city. You know, it had its own   Generator plant that had its own   food factory,   had its own heating heating   Thing that heat heated the whole whole complex.   And there was these big brick buildings that were stories high. And I I remember when I first got there,   You know, I I was interested in abnormal psychology,   and there was every known mental illness to man in there. So, you know, I was like a A kid in a candy shop. You know? It's like, wow. Look at look at all these I get to look at all this stuff for the first time. Because in in college,   You know, what I hated most about psychology   is you couldn't verify anything those buzzers were saying.  

Here, you read book after book after book, and they're telling you all this stuff, and you have no way to verify it.   The only thing you could verify in psychology was was abnormal psychology in undergraduate   where you could go into a rat lab and you could start running these, You know, schedules on these rats and watch the behavior change into the predicted pattern that they said it would.   Everything else, you're just taking their word for it.   Yeah. It's like   and I wasn't very trusting. I didn't trust authority at all, you know,   due to my upbringing,   And that stuck with me.  

So,   you know, one of the first things I saw was I didn't like   Being given all this stuff to memorize and regurgitate when I had no way to prove it. I had no way to see it. I had no way to check it out. It's just like, Hey. Just believe us. We're the psychologists. We wrote this book. Hey. Just believe what it says with no way to check it out. Yeah.   I didn't like that. And I remember,   one one paper that they gave us,   there was a clinical psychologist that wrote to the if 2 Crazy   guys met each other,   and and both of them thought they were Joe Biden.   1 of them would have to change.  

Yeah. One of them have have to change his delusion to something else.   And I'm, like, going even as an undergraduate, I'm, like,   Why would that have to happen? They're both crazy. Why would one have to change? It don't make any sense.   But, of course, we had Absolutely no access to any kind of clinical population.   We couldn't get into a mental health center. We couldn't get into a mental I'm gonna assume that's middle. It's not me.  

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What's that? See Sean   and Jim moving, or does that mean it's gross?  

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That must be on your end.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I think you're alright, Ben.   You're good. Sometimes Ben Ben's up in the mountains, so sometimes his connection's a little,   a little buggy, and, he's just trying to make sure that we're not completely frozen up here. So  

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Okay.  

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We are streaming to Rockfin and YouTube tonight.   Thanks for tuning in. We are an hour earlier than our normal time, so people are joining us   in chat?   Appreciate that. I'm gonna let Jerry continue here.  

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Okay. So,   I I   I couldn't prove or disprove that. So I I stuck it in this little chest I have in the back of my mind. And I go, you know, one day I may be able to Find out   about that because it didn't make any sense.   So fast forward 10 years,   I was at the state hospital,   And I remember when I first got there, it it was it was weird. I I took a walk at night,   and it it was in Georgia. The air was balmy.   Windows were open, and you could hear these screams come out of those buildings. They would just they would just   it was like banshees just Streaming across the the open areas there.  

But, anyway, I was on the second floor of this psychiatric unit,   And,   you know, I was in I was in charge of psych services for that unit,   a rehab services.   And   I saw this guy I hadn't seen before.   So,   I didn't know him,   and he was he was talking   And   looked like he was talking to himself.   And what   they had taught us in in college   was that   The voices were hallucinations.   So when you think about hallucinations,   you think about, okay, word salad. They don't make any sense. They're just garbled crazy nonsense. You know? That's what I thought they were.   But patient after patient, I saw   that were   Documented as hearing voices would be carrying on a conversation   that looked like they were talking to themselves,   But they were arguing with somebody else, like like you were watching one side of a telephone conversation.  

You know? So you could hear the person talking, but you couldn't hear what was coming in.   So   I was thinking that the The voices were when you say they're hallucinations, they're like words out and they don't make any sense. But I was seeing something very different.   You know, they were carrying on conversations with these voices. They were lucid conversations. They were coherent conversations.   They weren't word salad.   They were the you could you could hear one side of the conversation.   You know, there was one woman that was she was arguing with the voices that were telling her to to leave the hospital grounds   And carrying on an argument with them as she was walking off the hospital ground saying, I don't wanna do this. I don't this isn't good thing. And she's arguing with the voices as leaving the hospital grounds.  

Not not with, medical permission.   So I crept up behind this guy to see if I could hear what,   You know, what was what what he was saying,   you know, to to these voices?   And he caught me. So I'm I'm standing behind him. He caught me, and he turns around and he looks at me and he go and I go,   hi. I haven't seen you before. You new to this unit? He said, yeah. Yeah. I just got here a couple of days ago.   And, I said, well, what's your name? And he looks me in the eye and he goes,   I'm Jesus Christ.   And I thought about this a second. I looked him in the eye and I said, no. You can't be Jesus Christ because   I am.  

And I'm like, waiting. Okay. What's he gonna do?   You know? What's he gonna do here? The the the clinical psychologist says he's gonna change into something else. Let's see if he does. So he he kinda cocks his eyes back, and he's kinda thinking about it, like, you know and then he comes to a decision. He looks in the eye, and he goes,   Well, we can both be Jesus Christ, and he just strolls off. And I go, okay.   Another lie. You know?   What what else did they lie to me about? You know? So   it was thing after thing after thing after thing. The the next big lie I caught   Was that schizophrenia   was a biochemical   imbalance in the brain.  

K?   That's what we're all taught. We're all brainwashed to believe that all the way through college, all the way through graduate school, into the PhD program.   Yeah. It's a biochemical imbalance of the brain. All mental illness is a biochemical imbalance of the brain.   So I was working shoulder to shoulder with psychiatrist   All the time.   And and what I saw   was that if this if if   Mental illness and especially schizophrenia was a biochemical imbalance of the brain. It would seem before they   Started dishing out all these toxic medications of theirs   that they would need some kind of baseline   as to what chemicals in the brain We're out of balance or by how   much? They didn't have it. I never saw 1.  

You know? I'm like, Well, how how can they treat these people if it's a chemical brain imbalance,   if they don't know what's out of balance or by how much?   Yeah. So I never saw them give any lab work, any blood work, any EEGs, any EKGs, no kind of definitive test, no no kind of   Objective test before they started dishing out these these psychiatric drugs, which are toxic.   You know?   And finally, I I   I said   one of the psychiatrists, I said, how how do you know what you're treating if you don't have a baseline? How do you know what's out? There's, like, you know, 26 or so different,   there are transmitters in the brain. How do you know which ones are out of balance? How do you know which by how much? How do you know what's working and what's not working if it's a chemical imbalance?  

And he goes, oh,   we we let the the   The pharma big pharma, the the drug companies, they they figure all that out. We just dish out the drugs.   And I'm like, what?   You know, I'm thinking,   are you nuts? It's like letting the the fox loose in the hen house.   You know? It's a they had no baseline.   Not only did they have no baseline,   They didn't even know what the chemical balance of the brain should be.   And here they are proffering, putting out all this all this propaganda   That mental illness and schizophrenia   are a chemical imbalance of the brain.   Yeah.  

That was   That was   staunchly   disproven.   The the drug companies were making $4,700,000,000   a year   Selling   antipsychotic   antipsychotic   drugs alone and another 4,000,000,000   selling any any,   depressant drugs a year.   You know? That that bullcrap   that mental illness was a   chemical imbalance   came from a drug company called Eli Lilly   In the seventies when they came out with Prozac.   You know? So they they were kinda going, oh, well, You know, the the we we need some kinda explanation,   you know, for why these drugs work.   So they made one up.   They just made one up.  

Oh, it's a chemical imbalance.   You know, we we pour these drugs into people's brains   and   Alright.   It it seems to do something.   You know? Quiets them down somewhat. So it must be a chemical imbalance of some kind that That these medications somehow balance.   No. They knew it was a lie at the time. They went with it anyway.   And then the   Universities,   which were taken over by the Rockefellers   back in, you know, the 9th early 1900,   they made it illegal   For universities in the down United States to graduate   medical doctors   if they didn't go through a Pharmacology   program as,   with a pharmacological   basis.  

In other words,   all   Medicine. All all all everything wrong with you can be treated by drugs.   You know? So they were stuck in this physical   scenario.   And never never did I in in the 8 years of higher education I've had in in undergraduate and graduate school, Never have I ever heard them mention   the spiritual aspect of man once.   It's all physical.   Yeah. But we're spiritual beings.   You know? These are cars. We're we're it's like we're driving cars. We're driving bodies.   You know? If   If your spirit left your body   permanently, you'd be dead. You'd be brought away.  

You know, it's a spirit that drives the body. It's a Spirit that sees, that hears, that feels, that thinks. It's not the body.   So their solution for everything   was   Some physical drug.   But the voices   are not physical.   They're energetic.   You know? Thoughts are not physical.   Yeah.   Memories aren't physical.   Feelings aren't physical. Hearing, seeing, and and and the the   those senses   are all   Run by the spirit.   You know, you talk to you you can talk to these, people who died and come back and they all say, Yeah. I could hear perfectly. I could see better than I ever saw before.   I could see 360 degrees.  

I could see things sharper than they ever were.   Yeah. So that means that the physical body actually mocks up,   you know, your your physical senses, the senses that you have.   So the voices are energetic. Thoughts are energetic.   You know?   Schizophrenia is driven by   thoughts   and feelings.   K.   So   since these entities   The drive schizophrenia   are nonphysical.   It's almost like getting a magnet   with a big magnetic field to get a big magnet,   and   The voices are equivalent to that magnetic field. You can't see it. You can't feel it. I mean, most guys, most normal   Can't normal people can't feel a magnetic field. They can't see it. They can't teach it. They can't touch it.  

For for all practical purposes,   we can't detect it.   Same thing with those voices.   You know? The schizophrenics   can hear them because they're the schizophrenics are at lower vibrational   level. The rest of us, for the most part, can't.   So what psych the psychiatric mafia is doing is equivalent   to   Taking Thorazine   and dumping it on a magnetic field and expecting that magnetic field to disappear.   It just doesn't work.   Now that doesn't mean that magnetic field isn't there. If you get a a bottle of iron filings or and you put that on the magnetic field, then you will see   The the magnetic filings take   the form   of the magnetic field.  

K?   But Thorazine   or or none of their their   their physical chemicals are gonna change that magnetic field.   So   what they're doing is drugging the brain.   You know? So the brain is like the radio receiver. It   it's like   It takes in   the station that you're on. It takes in the frequency that you're on. If you're at a very low frequency,   That station is tuned to a very low frequency station. You know? You get the the these, some of these shamans and the yogis and those kinda guys, They're tuned to a very high frequency.   Yeah.  

So   like Tesla says, it's all frequency and vibration.   So schizophrenics are at a very low vibration.   So   Swedenborg   is telling us that all of us have 2 guardian angels, at least 2, and we have 2 demons assigned to us also.   K.   And he says those demons are aware   of everything you're thinking.   They know.   And if you think something bad, they jump in there and they pour gasoline on the fire. So if you get mad at somebody, they'll tell you to go punch them in the face.   You know? If,   if somebody says something you don't like, they'll tell you to go beat the crap out of them. You know, you normally don't do that, but what they do is they just try to make it worst.   So they feed off of that negative emotional energy,   And that's where that energy goes to. When the schizophrenics say they don't have any energy,   it's because these voices are draining them,   And they drain all of us.  

So I don't know if you guys are into kinesiology   or not, but if you were to put your arm straight out   And you you thought a good thought and had somebody push your arm down with your pinky,   And you're thinking a good thought? Most likely, they wouldn't be able to do it.   If you had them concentrate on the worst thing that ever happened to them and then you Get your pinky and push it down again. Your arm will drop like a a limp noodle.   K?   So   negative thoughts bring you down.   Yeah. They invite these things in,   and they they what they want is they hate the human race.  

They they they thrive on us suffering.   You know, there's nothing they like better than making humans miserable.   And they do that.   They can insert thoughts into your mind. Once you get to a a certain frequency,   They can consistently   insert thoughts into your mind, but they hit us all. You know? Like, all of us have been walking down the sidewalk minding our own business, and then all of a sudden you get Horrible thought that that   it's nothing that you know belongs to you. It's nothing you would ever act on.   You know?  

People report, you know, I was standing on a bridge and, you know, we're looking over the edge and the thought came to jump.   You know?   I I talked to one preacher who's standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon.   And this guy was the,   He was he was   he he was a heavenly type guy,   and,   he had the thought to jump.   Yeah.   I remember one time in in Arizona here, we don't cut grass with,   very few people have grass.   What we do is go out back and we use a a machete or something to cut back the the cactus.   So I have a a beautiful white   Husky.  

And she was running by, and as I I was cutting this cactus, this thought came into my head, cut her head off. And I was horrified. I was like, what? Where'd that come from? And it it was upsetting just to think that thought.   You know? So they were feeding on that,   you know. I knew it didn't come from me. I knew where it came from, but it was upsetting anyway.   It wasn't anything that I would ever think on my own. It was never nothing that I would ever do.   You know? So they're hit us all. You know? What they and what's so dangerous about them is that   we're all taught from the time we're kids that every thought that comes into your mind belongs to you.  

That's far from the truth.   You know? If you believe that these things, What they do is they put these negative thoughts into your head and you believe that's you, then you do something something rotten And then you feel guilt about it, and they jump in and go, yeah. You're rotten. You should feel that guilt.   You know? So they what they try to do is aggravate all the negative thoughts you may have.   You know? They they they also   with   when you get down to a a low enough vibrational level, They can they have access to every negative thing that you've ever done.   They can pull that stuff up and rub it in your face until you get Anxious   until you get negative.  

And and then they they drain you of the energy once you get anxious and negative and start feeling guilty and And, you know, all of us go through that. You know? It's like, oh, why did I say that? Did I hurt that person? Or,   What what do they think now? Or and it it just goes around and around and around, and they just keep feeding it. You know?   Now when you look at the animal kingdom where, you know, a lion chases a gazelle and it gets its its, you know, paws on it and and almost brings it down, but it escapes.   You know, soon as it gets away from the lion, the lion's no longer a threat. It just goes back to doing its normal stuff, eating grass, and just being a gazelle. It doesn't sit there and go, oh, I'm terrified now. I I I don't know what to do. I, you know, do it can go on and on and on and on. That only happens with humans,   And it happens because of these negative, entities that are assigned to us.  

They keep that going. The longer they can keep it going, the more they can feed off you. And now look at all the wars going on in the planet right now. It's a hog's trough for them.   They love the misery of the human race.   You know? Well, you guys got any questions? I've been gabbing and babbing and babbling now for a good while. I mean,  

[00:55:06] Unknown:

Well, yeah. Well, we're just we're just enthralled. I mean, we've all got questions. Jerry, I was curious how you first ran into Swedenborg.   He's such a fascinating character, and it's interesting that he was,   kind of a material   studier of the world. And then God came to him with a message   To,   well, I mean, it was more than a message. It was an, an enduring experience, if I remember correctly, that he it wasn't like he had an afternoon. Like, For years, he was experiencing   the higher realms and being required to to so how did you first find Swedenborg?  

[00:55:42] Unknown:

Well, the first time I I I I'd never heard of Swedenborg.   You know? I went all through college and graduate school. I'd never never heard of him. And one time one day, I was over a friend's house, and this guy was a staunch Catholic.   You know,   it it was,   That was it. He's staunch Catholic. And I I walked through his living room, and I saw this book on his,   On one of the,   what do you call it? Those those little shelves,   near near the sofa,   And it said Emmanuel Swedenborg, and here's this drawing of this guy.   You know, it looked like he was from the, you know,   16th century or something, like, how they looked back then with the, you know, the and I'm I'm going   I looked at it, and I I asked him. I said, well,   Who who's Emmanuel Swedenborg?  

And he goes, oh, you don't know about Emmanuel Swedenborg?   He said, oh, no. You need to know about Emmanuel Swedenborg. So he he lent me the book,   And I read it and I was fascinated.   You know? So after I read that one book, I started getting other books written by by him.   K. And started,   studying   his thing because it made sense.   I mean, what he was saying made sense in view of All the experiences I've had. It's like, here here's he was putting it all together.   You know? And   what I noticed was that   When he went to his visitations in hell and spoke to these evil spirits,   those evil spirits   were   Matched.  

1 to 1 with what I was seeing with the schizophrenic voices.   I mean, it was 1 in the same thing.   K. And   I'm like, that's odd.   And   k.   When it when it went from there   when I started   when I started   When I started studying the voices,   I saw that they were running patterns.   And If they're running patterns,   they can't be   hallucinations.   You know, hallucinations don't run patterns.   Right. So one of the first patterns I found   was that they were consistently negative.   You know?   Every schizophrenic   I talked to   who was hearing voices   told me they were negative. They would they they would say, you're no good. You're ugly. You're rotten. You're stupid. Nobody likes you. You know,   you're you're never gonna amount to anything. It was every rotten thing that you could ever think of to say to somebody. These voices were telling these patients.  

Hard nothing nothing good. And what I found out later, if they did say something good, it was only to come around and stab them in the back later.   So I'm   like, okay. If these things are supposed to be hallucinations,   hallucinations are all over the place.   I mean, I've seen them. I mean, I've seen them. They're all over the place. Some of them are good, some of them are bad, some of them are neutral, but they're all over the place. They're random.   This was not. This negativity   was a fixed   standardized pattern that all these schizophrenics I talked to were reporting   That these voices were consistently negative. They didn't swerve from that. They weren't random.  

You know? They ran a consistent   negative pattern.   So the next question in my mind was,   what holds them   onto that pattern? Why aren't they random like all other hallucinations?   And that was a puzzle.   You know? It's like, why aren't they all over the place?   It's a running a pattern. So what holds them to that pattern? What force holds them onto that negative pattern? Why don't they drift off of that pattern and and and go positive, negative, and everything in between? Why do they hold on to that pattern?   You know?  

And what popped to mind was,   there was one movie I watched one time. You asked about movies. It Called the enemy   below   where,   an American destroyer was chasing a German u boat.   And from time to time, they he would lose that u boat.   But when once the u boat got free of the destroyer, it would head onto a certain course and would resume that course.   And the,   the destroyer captain knew that. So he would just go back onto that course until he caught up with the thing. You know? So that's what these things were doing. They were running a specific   course, and they didn't they didn't   waiver from it. So that was strange.  

K?   And that's what that's exactly what Swedenborg was saying. They're negative. They hate the human race. They're vile. They're disgusting. They're they're abusive. They're destructive.   K?   So   here's a one to one pattern.   K. So all these these other patterns started emerging.   You know?   The next pattern I saw is that they were anti religious.   So I had, I remember it, in the state hospital once, I had a patient come up and said, hey. You know, when I say the 23rd Psalm,   The voices   react like worms thrown onto a hot frying pan. They can't stand it.   And I said, that's interesting.  

You know? Why would a hallucination   care about the   23rd Psalm?   You know? Right. So I started asking these schizophrenics.   You know? What happens when you go to church?   You know, because   a lot of them knew something was wrong and it had something to do with evil. I mean, they could feel it. So they would think, well, if I go to church, that would that might negate it.   So I started asking them, what happens when you read the Bible? What happens when you go to church? What happens when you repeat the 23rd Psalm? And 3 categories came into being. The first one was if the voices were weak,   They would disappear when the person walked into the church.  

They wouldn't they wouldn't go in there with them. If they were of moderate strength, They would get louder, and they would try to block the patient from hearing what the preacher was saying. They'd start mocking the preacher   and and and   Saying all kinds of stupid stuff.   You know?   The third category was where the voices were so strong, they would actually drive The client out of the church. I mean, he would get up and run out of the church.   So, like, his like his hair was on fire   to bolt out of there. K.   So,   what I started doing was handing out the 23rd Psalm to other schizophrenic patients   And   saying,   say this when the voices come and come back and tell me what happens.  

The voices hated it. They got louder. They tried to make him stop,   you know. And I'm like,   well,   why would a hallucination care about them reading the 23rd Psalm. Why would a hallucination get louder when they walked into a church?   You know? Why would a hallucination   interfere with them reading the Bible? You   know, it didn't make any sense.   You know, so here was a second pattern, and I talked to course of schizophrenics, and they were all saying the same thing.   Yeah.   So That was a second pattern.   So   here were these patterns   that were fitting what Swedenborg   said.  

K.   They foster and create negative emotion.   Alright?   So they want the person   Negative. They want them feeling angry. They want them feeling anxiety, paranoia, guilt, and shame. They want you to feel that because that's their food. That's what they feed off of. So they'll do everything they can   to to to make that happen.   Right?   So here was a   A third pattern that Swedenborg had mentioned.   So I started wondering what would happen, and and there's 23 now. If you go to my website   atcherrymarsinski.com   and go to articles, you'll see the whole list of 23 patterns that these these voices run.   So this flies in the face of what the psychiatric mafia is saying. If they're running patterns, they can't be hallucinations   right.  

So what what they were wanting that this is to regress a little bit back to the   Biochemical imbalance thing.   You know, they started they they they didn't have any   Any cause for schizophrenia? They didn't know what caused it. You know? So they started making stuff up. The first, they started blaming the mothers.   Oh, mothers did something or they fed him the wrong food or they treated him such or such a way or it's the mother's fault. You know, and the mothers went, Wait a minute. We didn't do anything. You know, the the no. You know, you could you could they could see that. You know, they they could see that. People could see that the mothers didn't do anything. So they had to jack it up into an area where people couldn't investigate.   You know? So they came up with The genetic.  

It's genetics.   You know? It it the genes are wrong. The genes are bad. And then they got away with that for about a decade. You know? Oh, yeah. Why well, we just take their word for it. You know? Everybody believed it was a gene, so they started publishing. Yeah. It's genetics. And then when the geneticist couldn't find a schizophrenia   gene, then they switched it to, oh, well, it's not just one gene. It's a bunch of genes. They all interact, and So it's virtually impossible to find an answer   to it.   So,   you know,   the geneticist   So we don't find any genetic   trace to mental illness. There there is there's no genetic anything.  

So   That that lie was out of the question now.   You know? Now there are familiar spirits that follow these people through through generations, but there was no   So they freaked. Well,   we need something else now. We can't we can't blame it on genetics, and and we can't sell our drugs if we don't have something that We're selling them for. So they came up with the biochemical imbalance theory   so they could keep selling their drugs and move the See, how many biochemists are there taking and and and they moved they moved it from something observable   to something to most people, including psychiatrist   And medical doctors and most professors   and most biochemical people   would would not pay any attention to. You know, they go, oh, well, the the authorities say it's this, so we believe it. You know? But when they when they came out and it and it came out as a lie   But this biochemical imbalance thing was a total lie, then they freaked. You know? What what do we do now?  

You know? And they're still pushing it today. Even though it's been disproved, they're still pushing it today. And and the you go to the Internet, you'll say, well, it is believed that schizophrenia   is caused by A chemical imbalance. It's believed that it's caused by a genetic thing. They're still pushing it even though it's been disproved.   They don't want anything interfering with their   $4,700,000,000   they're making in in the  

[01:07:11] Unknown:

In in your book at the beginning of the book too, you talk about how they were approaching it like it's a germ.   You know, like, they think it's like, you know, at the very beginning of the book, there's some interesting stuff where they're spinning people around in chairs to make them sick, To get the symptoms to go away temporarily.   And,   you know, this, it seemed like they they used it in the early stages there that they used a lot of   Techniques that would   shake the patient up so physically that temporarily you get a relief  

[01:07:42] Unknown:

of, of symptoms, and then they would call that some kind of progress. Well You know? Well, it wasn't it wasn't a relief of symptoms for the patient. What it was was a relief for the hospital staff. Right. Right. That's thank you for correcting me. Right. Yep. The patient was still hearing the voices,   But all of you that spun around until you got dizzy.   I don't know if you ever spun around   enough to get sick.   You know? But you all know what it's like to I mean, if you've ever been on the ocean and got seasick   Yeah. But that's what it's like. After you get seasick   and you throw up, you feel like crap.  

You know, you don't feel like causing any trouble.   You know? And that's what they were doing with these guys. We'll make them sick, and then they don't cause us trouble.  

[01:08:27] Unknown:

Right. Wrap them up in towels and keep them in a bathtub for days on hand and all this weird stuff. You know? Yep. You know, give them  

[01:08:35] Unknown:

Enemas of all this different kind of crap that they they did.   So so spinning them was was Too much trouble. So they they started giving them a medics to make them sick.  

[01:08:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Right. Like an epic hack. Yep.  

[01:08:51] Unknown:

Yep. Once they're sick, they don't feel like causing trouble. They wanna go bed to bed and lie down. They're still hearing the voices. They're still psychotic. They didn't cure anything.   It was just a relief for the staff   right so   they did all these different things   to try to drive away the   symptoms.  

[01:09:11] Unknown:

So the voices are draining the energy,   Then the mental health facility staff members are joining the remaining energy.   Is the point just to get these people to no energy? So they're just Yeah. So they don't cause trouble.  

[01:09:26] Unknown:

Yep. So,   you know, these phenothiazines   were a marvel for for the Psych institutions.   So, you know, here's these drug companies saying, oh, we gotta charge these astronomical   prices because   It takes us years years of research to come up with these drugs. I mean,   you know, we have to pay expensive people and stuff. The phenothiazines, the antipsychotics were discovered by accident in a German dye lab, you know, where they dyed clothes.   You know, the staff were getting gorked out, And the the French came,   and they extracted   the phenothiazine   out of that dye.  

And they would use it for   operations, you know, to when you you get an operation, they'd use it for that.   They'd use it as a a pain killer. You know?   And,   somebody got the bright idea that, hey. If it if it sedates regular people,   What would it do to schizophrenics that are driving us nuts?   So they tried to get permission to use it in the psychiatric institutions in Europe,   But the,   the Freudians controlled those institutions, and they go, no. No. You're not gonna do that here. So they took it over to the US. They got some psych institution   to agree   to to give their population these these antipsychotic drugs, and they were all gorked out. They were sitting around, staring off in the space and drooling.  

They weren't causing any problems.   They loved it.   You know? It was a sensation.   Oh, we don't have to fight them and and and and put them in straight jackets anymore.  

[01:11:00] Unknown:

Yeah. That's a there's a lot of equipment showing Train and everything. Right. It's a really big challenge to try to physically contend with psychotic people. You know? Yes. Paul actually has Specific information about that because of his own personal experience.   I think he was wanting to say something about it. Yeah. They can ask him a lot of people to put it for.  

[01:11:20] Unknown:

Jerry and I had actually talked about it for just a minute beforehand   because Seroquel is one of the big antipsychotics.   And,   the system, they started giving that out for seizures. And the other big thing that they were given was   Benzodiazepine.   It's, clonzipam.   And so those are the 2 things that   yeah. And like Jerry was just Dan, I literally well, I jumped up to £260.   I couldn't move around. I couldn't hardly think. I literally would drool occasionally. Like, drool. I just like, is that fucking me?   What the fuck is going on right now?   And and   Wait. Which was just horrible.  

What and a question I wanted to ask,   You specifically about that is   so I've heard you talk about,   methamphetamine   having a a   spirit to it,   that the numerous,   the people that use enough methamphetamine   to eventually start having regular hallucinations   are hallucinating   the same thing,   this pattern that you're talking about just now.   So that would then Can, you know, lead one to believe that in that drug that they're,   taking in,   that the spirit   exists in that drug.   Now I've also read   a number of books about, like, Ayahuasca   where they say,   numerous people on Ayahuasca.  

You go down if you go down to South America and do it,   but almost all these scientists had all   Encounter this, panther feminine panther spirit   that,   was tied to the land. And so over and over again, these people encountered that spirit. If you look at DMT,   DMT, lots of people talk about the machine elves again   And again and again,   do you think that all these drugs then have a spirit necessarily   attached to it? Like,   do you think that,   the things that are considered hallucinogenics   have that? Like, if you look at mushrooms, mushrooms,   You don't really ever hear a similar thread   even though that one's one of the more widely used ones. You don't hear a similar thread to Sarah Lee, a spirit or a hallucination.  

So I find that fascinating as opposed to, like,   DMT where so many people over and over talk About the machine elves or the things like that.   So I just want you to expand on all of that. And then I want you to also talk about whether you think   That part of what they're doing is is actually maybe imbuing   into these drugs,   a spirit being aware of that And imbuing into that, and then that's somehow countering and doing something that   overrides   whatever other things and the ones that are successful.   Or is   it throwing in with it?   But please  

[01:14:28] Unknown:

talk about what you think about all of that. Yeah. Let me put that on hold for just one second and and return to your Seroquel experience.   So, you know, Seroquel is I used it it was you it was being used at the state hospital when I was there. It's a nanny psychotic drug.   K? It it drugs your brain, And it it has the experiences that you you said. But it also, with long enough use, like all the other phenylthiazines,   it shrinks your brain.   You know? What they're finding   is that on the autopsies with patients who have been taking any psychotic drugs for a long enough time, Their brains are shrunk like walnuts.   Right? So when they when they found that in the autopsies,   You know, they these these honest researchers came out and said, listen.  

You know, we're we're we're doing the autopsies on these on these Deceased schizophrenics and all their brains are shrunk like, walnuts. We suspect   that these antipsychotic   drugs are at the root of this.   You know? And when they published a paper on that, the the psychiatric mafia and and big pharma were, oh, no. No. No. It's not us. It's just schizophrenia.   It's a schizophrenia doing that.   You know? But the researchers, like, went, okay. We'll we'll do it on rats and monkeys and see if their brain shrunk. And sure enough, their brain shrunk too.   K? So these antipsychotic drugs are actually doing physical neurological   damage   to these patients with long enough use.  

Now when that when that neurological damage becomes bad enough and the shaking starts,   You know, the akinesia,   the the neurological damage starts manifesting, then they turn to Klonopin that they gave you Just to subdue those symptoms,   to to try to make those disappear so they can go on rotting your brain with the antipsychotic, and you don't feel the neurological Cold symptoms.   You know, you don't feel the effects of your brain being rotted out.  

[01:16:26] Unknown:

You wanna know what's most fucked up?   I I didn't state this at the start, but what's most fucked up is I wasn't prescribed this for,   mental conditions. I was prescribed this as an anti Seizure medication because I have Wilson's disease. So I have a copper. I don't process copper correctly.   And eventually, I'll Have a grand mal seizure from it. And this was all these things were given to me as anti seizure medications.   And then they put me in prison for using cannabis   To treat seizures, even though   those medications they were giving me, I would still continue to have seizures.   It did knock them down. I I went from having, you know, Numerous seizures a day to,   when during time periods. Because I go through time periods where if something happens, like, maybe I ate too much Of something with copper in it or whatever.  

And,   I'll be seizurey for a while.   I   during those times, it would knock it down to, like, 1 or 2, but it didn't in no way stopped it. Whereas opposed to   When I was free and then I just moved to a state where cannabis was legal,   then that stopped it entirely and I function. I don't drool. That's really nice.   Hey. And I don't have seizures.  

[01:17:39] Unknown:

Yeah. They don't like that because they're not they're they're not selling you that drug, but The state takes care of that. They they extract their part. If it's a legal marijuana, they they tax it heavily.   You know? So to go back to your question, is there   a a spirit associated with these drugs?   I know in the prison, the prisoners called,   meth, the devil's drug.   You know, that they all called it that.   And,   yep, for good reason.   So   I remember   I was working in the prison when meth became,   popular,   and all these all these prisoners started coming in,   with   meth related crimes.  

You know, they did something crazy and stupid on meth.   And, they were seeing something called the shadow people, which I've never heard of before,   you know,   or or   not very frequently.   So   They were seeing something called   they were three-dimensional   shadows   that usually didn't have any faces.   Alright. For the most part.   They weren't all humanoid shape. Most of them were, you know, some of them were kinda creatures.   Some of the,   humanoid shapes   had hats on. They had shapes,   what do you call it, capes.   It it it was pretty strange. So I started asking them about these shadow people.   And, like, what are they? What do they do? How do they act? Do they talk? Do they say anything?  

They told me, no. They don't they don't say anything.   They just show up. They can walk through walls.   They they usually end up in standing at the foot of a bed   or,   you you just see them out of the corner of your eye.   And they just scare people. They they don't they've never hurt anybody that I I knew of, and I I talked to,   You know, scores of of,   schizophrenic   prisoners who saw the shadow people,   They weren't sure what they were either,   but they were scared of them. And what they told me is that what they did is they move in on you. If you're paying attention to them, They know that you can see them,   and they start moving toward   you. And I never talked to a prisoner, as tough as all these guys think they are, Who hung around long enough for them to get there.  

They all took off.   You know? So I didn't know what would happen   if   they ever got there.   I talked to 1,   schizophrenic girl who said she could feel them walk through her. So one walked through her, and she could feel it as it walked through.   That's the most I ever got about them hurting people.   But I noticed with,   when I went to work in the Emergency rooms doing psych crisis   that these   psych people would come in and   Using meth, and they were able to see, like, the eyes on these things.   The the great majority of of people who saw these shadow people didn't see any Facial features.   But some of the ones that were really far gone, that were really heavy meth users could see their eyes.  

And they they said their eyes were either lime green or red.   Neither one of those colors is a good color for eyes.   So   Whatever they were, I didn't think they were good things because usually they scared people.   You know? But they never physically harmed them. They just terrified them.   You turn on the light, and they're gone.   You know?   You know? And they they would they would just walk through walls. They they you turn on the light, they're gone.   They they would come and go. They usually would stand at the foot of the bed and just Look at the person.   Freak them out.  

And,   the schizophrenics were seeing these things also,   You know, which was interesting. So not only were the meth guys seeing them, schizophrenics   were seeing them.   So   One day, I was talking to one of the prisoners, and he said,   oh,   we ran an experiment to see what they were.   What he wanted to know is   if 2 guys are are looking at these shadow people, Are they seeing the same one or they sit are they each individually are they hallucinating individually?   K.   So what he did is they they went out to one of the Indian reservations south of Tucson here   and with meth, and they were injecting the stuff   At night,   you know, and to went down a dirt road, found a real isolated spot,   and the first guy   Shot up the meth   and then started seeing the shadow people.  

So he he the other guy stayed straight,   And he started seeing him, and he goes, do you see that one over there near the cactus? And the other guy goes, no. I I don't see anything. How about the one over there? No. I don't see anything there either. So they determined that they needed the MET to see these things.   K? So the other guy shot up,   and then   These these things started appearing. Okay? And remember I told you, when you pay attention to them, they start moving in on you. So here are these 2 guys pointing them out   saying, do you see that one over there? You know, well, what's he doing?  

K. And then the other guy said, well, he's doing this. He's moving to the left or some so they came to the conclusion   that they were both seeing the same ones,   That they weren't individual hallucinations,   that they they   collaborated. They could both see the same Shadow people at the same place doing the same things.   So here they are watching these things and pointing this out to each other while they're all moving in from the desert.   So they look around and they're surrounded by these things and they freak out. So they go they jump in their truck and lock the door. So they're sitting in the truck watching these things,   And, they're moving in.  

And all of a sudden, they they said they felt the back of the truck go up like A giant boulder had been locked dropped on the truck, and the the back of the truck went down. The front of the truck went up.   Now that this that was Surring to me because I didn't think these things could affect physical reality.   And here's a report that they've made a truck jump virtually off the ground by pushing the back of it down.   So I'm like, well, if they can do that, what else can they do? You know? But that was a report from 1 meth addict,   You know? And I didn't have it corroborated   anywhere else.  

So it was like something I stuck in the back of my mind and went, If they can affect physical reality,   that's trouble.   You know? That's a problem.   So   What they did is they they,   after the that thing happened, they started the truck and they drove out of there. Said they almost wrecked the truck. And I asked the guy, I said, did they stay in the back of the truck? Did they follow you? And he said, no. They didn't.   Yeah.   So   The closest I ever came to now I don't I don't know whether this was a shadow person or not,   But there was one guy, it was Christmas Eve.  

I was on duty,   in the emergency room for psych crisis   at the county hospital.   And this guy comes in. It was a quiet night.   There wasn't a lot going on. There were a lot weren't a lot of people coming in there. This guy comes in. He's shaking like a leaf the whole night. He just shaken. He just couldn't sit still.   You know, it was like he was shivering From cold or something, but he just couldn't stop shaking.   So   pull him in and and start looking him over to see what the deal is with him. What are we gonna do with him?   And,   he said,   I'm I'm using meth. And I said, how long you've been using? He said, I've been injecting for 10 years.  

And that got my attention because he should have been dead long ago,   and he wasn't. So I'm like, why isn't this guy dead?   So I started asking him all these questions. I said, do you see the shadow people?   And he goes, yeah. I see them. He said, what do they look like? And he described exactly what they were like. I didn't give him any information.   So they,   I said, did you ever see their eyes? He goes, yeah. I I see I saw their eyes. I said, well, what color were they? Now I knew what color they were. I wasn't gonna say anything to him. He said they're red or lime green.   I said, okay.  

This this guy's been there. You know? So I actually use those eyes as a clinical indicator Because if they could see the eyes, they were much worse shaped than the people who couldn't.   Right?   And,   you know, That was just a a a telltale sign.   So just out of curiosity,   I asked him,   have you ever heard them speak?   Because nobody I ever talked to out of the scores of people I talked to about the shadow people ever heard them speak. They were always silent.   They would just stand and look.   They wouldn't say anything.   And this guy, yeah, I he said I heard him speak. And I said, well, what'd they sound like? And he described this high pitched squeaky   sound, like,   The closest I could come to it is rubbing your feel fingernails down a blackboard, something like that. Just give me the shivers just just to have him mimic that sound.  

So I was like,   you   know well,   then then,   You know, being a a a curious,   adrenaline   junkie,   I asked him, well, what did they say?   You know? And   soon as I said that,   He stopped shaking. He went stark still.   He's looking at me straight in the eye, and his eyes were black. His pupils just got huge.   And I could feel this   intense   cold hatred   just coming out of him. And if you had to translate it, it would be like, I'd rather slit your guts open and throw them all over the room than say another word to you is what I felt. I had never felt an   intense hatred like that in my life   ever.  

And I've been working with psychotics for decades.   Never.   You know?   And it it totally freaked me out, but you can't show fear to these guys. You you don't it's like showing fear to a dog. You turn around and run, you're gonna get bit. You have to sit there and just face them. And this looking at this guy's eyes seemed like it was going on for eternity.   You know? And I'm like, my god. When is this gonna end? Because it it was just this stark   steering, this stark evil   in the eye   And having to just sit there and watch it, you know, just stare it in the eye. Finally, boom, disappeared. It went he went back to who he was before that thing came.   His eyes went back to normal,   and he started talking the way he did, and he started shaking again.  

You know? And I'm,   like, free I'm freaked out,   but   I wanted to know what they said.   So I went, okay. I'm gonna try this one more time.   And I just asked him, I said,   what did they tell you? And he said, they told me To go jump in front of a truck,   and I wouldn't get hurt.   I said, well, what'd you do?   He said, Well, I went out to the the the road. I jumped in front of a truck. I got hit. I got knocked off the road.   And when I woke up, they were all standing around me,   looking at me, saying, get up. You're not hurt.   I said, well, what happened? He said, I got up, and I wasn't hurt.  

They told me to go do it again.   So he went and did it again. He got hit by another vehicle. Same thing. They all surrounded him, said get up. You're not hurt.   And he got up, and he wasn't hurt.   You know?   And   Then I then after I got that, I went to ask him   another question,   and that thing came back again.   Same thing. You know, he's this he went stark still. He stopped shaking. His eyes got black again, and it was like whatever this was in here   Was even angrier   than it was before.   You know, I could feel it. It would the intensity had increased, And it's like, holy cow. It seemed like staring into the eyes of this thing. It seemed like it went on forever,   you know, but I couldn't break away. Had to you had to stare it in the eye,   because who knows what it would've done if I would've run.  

So   After he went back again, I went, okay. I've had enough.   I'm not gonna ask another question.   So I'd I'd let him loose, started writing up my report.   The nurse the psych nurse came in,   like, 5 minutes later and said, I can't deal with this guy. What'd you get out of my I'll write my report based on what you found.   Yeah. So   that's as much as I know about the shadow people. I still don't know exactly what they are. The Indians saw them. They call them the watchers.   I don't know if they report to other beings or or,   you  

[01:31:09] Unknown:

know, what they were. So You know all about the watchers over here.  

[01:31:14] Unknown:

Yeah.   So I don't know if   There's they're not just associated with amphetamine. They're also associated with schizophrenia.   But,   they don't call alcohol spirits for nothing. It there there's a spirit associated with alcohol.   And there was one day,   I I was working in the prison,   and and at that time, in the in the minimum security unit, which is, for me, was like   A relief. It was like a vacation.   And there was this Apache Indian   who was so violent up on the Apache reservation up north   That the Apache police were sending him straight to prison,   and he virtually skipped Alhambra, the classification   unit,   And just came straight down to my unit, and I'm watching him crash through all these units where he should've stopped.  

Came straight through to my unit.   So the next day, I called him in.   And, again,   there there was this he hated white guys. He hated white people.   And, yeah, yeah, I could just feel that hatred on him.   Just ask him a few questions, and then,   you just you you could just feel it. And I said, okay. I'm the psych for this unit.   You know, you're on psych meds. I'll be calling in 1 I'll call you in once a month to see how you're doing at least. Alright. And then I let him out because I could feel that same hatred. I could just feel it.   And, you know, after about 6 months, I got to where I could actually talk to this guy.  

And he was a chronic alcoholic,   and he would tell me about all these spiritual things, spirits chasing him, casting spells on people,   Fighting with spirits,   all all this   weird stuff.   You know? So one day, When he was telling me these stories,   he was the closest thing to, like, a skinwalker I'd ever I would ever get close to. I mean, the He he probably wasn't a full one, and if he was, he was an evil one.   And,   you know, he's telling me some of these stories and And what he could do and how he could cast spells on people.   And,   I had already gone to the head of the Native Americans and asked   This guy about him. This the head of the Native American gang was a Navajo guy. He was a very gentle   diabetic guy.  

Didn't seem to have a mean bone in his body. I don't I don't even know why he was in prison. But I asked him about this guy. I said, what's with him? He said, you'd be careful to him.   Yeah. So I took that as a warning.   And, about 6 months in, he was telling me all this stuff about how he could do stuff with spirits and work with spirits   And said, well, if you can do all that, how come you can't stay sober?   And I kinda brace myself for an explosion.   And he   said, it's because of the dead the spirits of dead alcoholics.   He said, they're all over the place.  

They can't get drunk in a spiritual form.   They have to enter   an alcoholic to get drunk.   So once they get in, Then they demand to drink more.   So,   you know and I've heard story after story about spirits entering alcoholics, and then   They're just not drinking for themselves. Now these spirits are getting drunk because they have to have a body to get drunk in.   Alright.  

[01:34:39] Unknown:

And I've heard those stories a number of times from different alcoholics. You know, when you work enough and another spirit jumps in there. Does that work the same way with other drugs if someone has a drug of, I guess, I wouldn't say choice, but, like, meth users, meth addicted people,   Are they told by the negative voices to continue to take   the meth? Do the spirits themselves want the meth?  

[01:35:02] Unknown:

Well, I can tell you this. I've talked to several of them to when they ran out of meth.   The voices told them where to be   And when to be there to get more.   And a total   total stranger came up to them and had meth.   Even asked them if they had meth.   You know? So   that's, like, one of the the most dangerous drugs out there. You know? I've seen more people go psychotic on meth   than virtually any other drug.   K?   And what it said what it was like was they'd get high on the meth. They'd feel like Superman. They'd be feeling great. They'd have tons of energy. They get tons of stuff done,   and,   then they'd crash.  

Now when they were coming down   Or while they were up, they would hear voices.   K? They would hear voices talking to them, and they would go they would just rationalize that away and go, like, Well,   you know, that's just a hallucination.   When I come down, the voices will go away, and they did.   You know? And that might have happened 10 or 15 times or it might have happened for a couple of months or something like that. Every time they came down, the voices went away.   Then one day, They didn't.   They were there permanently,   and that guy was just as psychotic as anybody locked in a psych hospital.  

Yep. And those voices would not leave, then they tormented him for the rest of the time. That's why the the prisoners called met the devil's drug.  

[01:36:37] Unknown:

You know, Jerry, I had that experience personally, not, myself on on meth, but I, I had an ex wife and, she was a multi Toxic drug user and a borderline personality disordered individual.   And,   she would go out and get Hi. And,   a lot of the time, I would end up trying to nurse her back to sanity. So I experienced that, that, you know, What I would call, methane   induced schizophrenic   experience. You know? And as long as I could get her   home for 4 or 5 days and get her some food and water or some rest, then they, the process would stop like you described.   But eventually and, you know, I have a suspicion as to what happened. But eventually, she   used, enough or used a combination drugs in such a way   that,   they didn't didn't go away. It was at 2 weeks in, I realized, like, this is not going away this time. She's not regaining,   consciousness that doesn't include this loud interjection of schizophrenic   type, voices experience.  

And, as far as I know,   you know, thankfully, I was able to get out of that situation, and, unfortunately, she was never able to successfully   Really get to a good place. She has consistently tried to get clean and has had some   reasonable success, but you know how it is. A lot of people don't ever you know, they go back and forth. She's probably been in and out of rehabs literally 100 of times, you know, over and over again. And sometimes completing the stint and sometimes only there for a week or whatever.   But,   it reminds me also, Jim sent me a wonderful Review that you did with a man named Patrick Dirk.  

And I bought his book on Audible, The Myth Bible, because it sounds really fascinating.   And his experience,   is really a miracle, a very miraculous wonderful experience to be a full blown alcoholic,   Fall into full blown, like, as far into methamphetamines as you could possibly go, and then somehow regain your sanity   and To come out of it and be functioning and proselytizing to help people and tell them, like, I could you know, there's hope. And so, I wanted to thank you for,   for being involved in that interview because it was really encouraging to see,   the story of Patrick Dierk.  

And, I don't he called it the ice, Fire and ice or something. But, I mean, the meth Bible was the other title of his book. You know?  

[01:38:57] Unknown:

Yeah. He said, you know, Just like the Swedenborg stuff. He said he got to the point   where he was given a choice.   You you either go to the dark side Or you start coming back.   You know? And he he chose to come back.   So I I guess Christ or some other Positive entity said, okay. You got a choice now.   You need to choose your road.   And Yeah. He said he said once he chose to come back   and and and start recovering and going to   the the the light side. He said he woke up the next morning and all his symptoms were gone.   He didn't have any craving for meth. He didn't have any shaking. It was all gone. It was like a a miracle experience.  



[01:39:41] Unknown:

He had physical healing of his, internal organs also. He he testified in that video. So Yep. He said that his,   Yeah. His liver and and stuff were just they were all fixed too. Now I was gonna jump back to what Ben said one more time because, I was curious about, you know, so we got the My my ex also called   meth the devil's drug. Unprompted by any I've never heard that before. That's it. And so then you're reporting that it's redundantly reported that way,   in the in the prison system, and she called it the same thing. She described it as a man who was the devil, you know, like it was the devil himself. But, to get back to what Ben had asked, so and I would agree. I used to I drank, I drank pretty heavy for 20 years, and I definitely agree with The assessment that there's a reason they call it spirits. You know, there's a point where I would get drunk enough that I could kinda feel that I wasn't myself anymore, you know, and I'd become More of a son of a bitch for lack of a better Right. Way to put it.   But,   so then when you get to other drugs like, dimethyltryptamine,   DMT, Tea or, Ayahuasca   or maybe even I Ibogaine.  

Do do you have any experience or reference to those types Things and what spirits might be affiliated with them and why?  

[01:40:53] Unknown:

Well, I've I've heard a lot of good things about a lot of those,   but I also there was one guy that I interviewed   where he was doing that stuff, and   he got taken over by a spirit That he has to share his consciousness with. It's one of the one of the videos on my,   On my YouTube   well, my website, Jerry Marcinski.com.   You know?   I I forgot his name at the present time, But I did it, several interviews with him, and he talked about it. Matter of fact, he let that spirit come out once, and you could see his face distort. I mean, it was Right in front of your eyes. I mean, he just   he just changed,   you know, when he let that thing out.  

So   I don't know about these other things. You   you have to be careful.   You know,   I would at least have a shaman or somebody around who knew their way around these things, You know, not just not just take them,   especially some of those more powerful ones   and somebody who knows their way around.  

[01:42:03] Unknown:

Right. That's good advice if you're gonna,   and I I'd say, a lot of people get into these things recreationally, but we're seeing it increase in the world that it's popular for   potential therapeutic use, but, of course, just like you said, it's hard to to trust these   People in power, drug manufacturers,   what you're calling the the medical mafia.   And so if they get a hankering and a love for mushrooms and hallucinogenics that I   intuitively   have   a a jaded eye and a jaded thought. Like, it doesn't mean that it can't be helpful, But I don't necessarily   trust their approach   No. Because of all the stuff that you said and and,   and Explained. And now another thing that popped into my head when, somebody said, do they report to someone else? Jerry, we interviewed you about 2 years ago,   and you had described how   the guy came to you. He said the voices were mad that you were interrupting and interjecting yourself into their work, for lack of a better word, And then eventually, you had,   dialogue with the voices and gotten them to admit to having a hired authority that they're answering to   And even gotten some of the voices to   go into the light and disappear and stuff like that. So if you wanna touch on any of that stuff, of course, we'd love to hear it.  



[01:43:23] Unknown:

Yeah. So what what was happening is I was coming up with these, these patterns.   Okay?   And, again,   If the if these voices are running patterns,   then they can't be hallucinations   like the psychiatric   mafia insists.   Right.   Yeah. They were they were negative. They were any religious. They fostered negative emotion. They energetically   drained their victims. They got louder after sunset.   They get louder when ignored. They fostered self destructive behavior. They fostered isolation. They demand the attention of the it went on and on where there's 23 of them now. You   know, anybody working with schizophrenics can see them themselves.  

They don't have to have a biochemist or a geneticist.   This is the operational definition   of these   negative entities. This is what they do. This is how they are.   K. Again, you can see them all on my website.   So   back then, I was I was working with the in the prison, and I had I always had a group of prisoners around me   that agreed to tell me in real time what their voices were telling them, you know, in therapy sessions.   So,   You know, they would tell me, well, the voices are calling you a son of a bitch, and they don't like you, and they don't like me coming here and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I'd say, well, you know, tell them to go stick their heads in the toilet or something like that. You know? So they they were the voices were always part of the deal. You know? And I was, like,   Going okay.  

What would happen   if I started disrupting these patterns?   Alright.   So I started experimenting with disrupting the patterns.   You know? What happens if you,   The voices start in on somebody and then you tell them to recite the 23rd Psalm.   K?   The voices hated it.   Yeah. They couldn't stand it.   People said they some of the patients said they it was like Throwing,   worms on a hot frying pan is how they reacted to the 23rd song.   So   What I did is anything I found that they hated, I told these these prisoners to do it to them. Yeah. And   What they were doing was, like, fighting back. So   what what these voices   do is they make the the their victims feel helpless. Well, there's nothing you can do about us. Go ahead and take your meds. We're not going away, and it's true. You know?  

It they they might have the meds might have lowered their their volume,   But they didn't for 99%   of the time, they didn't make the voices go away.   You know? And if they did, soon as the person stopped taking Drugs, they came back.   So these drugs weren't curing anything.   They weren't getting rid of the voices. All they were doing was drugging these people down and they were drugging their brains.   K? They weren't touching these entities.   So I'm like, okay. What happens if I start screwing up their patterns?   So I do stuff like,   okay. If,   If they're constantly negative, repeat the 23rd Psalm every time they come.  

Yeah.   They hated it.   Any they're any religious? They don't like you reading the Bible? Read the Bible. Read spiritual stuff. Get them back. So   Here here these these these   prisoners who felt helpless against these voices   were were being given weapons to fight back against   And the voices didn't like it. So the first time, they were able to hit these things back. Instead of just putting up with all their craft, they were able to strike back.   So what happened as as as I was   Disrupting these voices and asking the pay the these guys to come back and say, okay. Try this and tell me what happened next week when you come back.   Yeah. And then it we're finding more and more effective ways to do this. The voices   started   getting pissed off.  

And I had one after the other of these this small group that I had come back to me and say,   the voices don't like what you're doing. They don't like you. They don't like what you're doing.   You know?   They don't want me to come here.   So   The voices were were getting they're getting pissed off. I'm like,   so now a hallucination's   getting pissed off? See, I still wasn't Fully convinced that these were entities. I didn't wanna believe that.   You know? I I was thinking, well, this is something to do with their subconscious is mine. I mean, this is, but   it I was I was gonna   figure this out.  

And,   Then one day, one guy,   comes to one of the guys I was working with in one of these groups, he comes to my my door   Without a pass. I don't know how he got into medical unit without a pass, but he did. He came to my door in the psych department,   knocks on the door, And I'm kinda surprised to see him because he he didn't have a pass to get in there. And he said, the voices wanna talk to you.   And I'm like, they wanna talk to me personally?   He goes, yeah. They wanna talk to you personally. That had never happened before.   It was always   you know,   The the the patient would say, well, the voices are saying this, and then I would tell them, they have, well, go tell them to stick their head in the toilet. You know?  

Tell them to shut up. So it it would be like that. The the the pay the patient would all be the intermediary.   I never had them want to talk to me personally.   I knew they didn't like me, but I they never   talked to me personally.   So I said, they wanna talk to me personally? He said, yeah. They wanna talk to you   Toni. And I'm like,   okay.   Come on in.   Close the door. I sat down and I kinda brace myself and went like,   alright. What do they got to say?   And and these words came out of his mouth.   You have no right   to interfere with our   way of life.  

And it was like Outer Limits. It was like, do do do do do do do do do. And I was like   I I did I just boom.   You know, my denial system just crashed. I mean, it just crashed. It just fell apart.   There was no other no no longer denying that these things For separate malicious entities at that point.   I knew they were,   and I didn't wanna believe that. So here's this all this psychological turmoil, like, You know, what just happened after he left, I just I closed my office. I didn't see anybody the rest of the day, and I'm thinking like, what in the hell am I getting into? I don't have any cognitive map for this.   You know, this is like new territory. Nobody's been here before that I know of except for maybe Swedenborg.  



[01:50:17] Unknown:

You know? Yeah. It's scary. It's scary.  

[01:50:20] Unknown:

It was scary. You know, it's like, where's this going?   You know,   I I I I how do I navigate this? I mean,   where where does it go? I mean, what Well, you know, it's like, how do I know there's not booby traps? I mean, what you know, so I'm thinking about all this stuff all day long. They're like, oh, what are you doing? What are you doing? And,   you know, finally, I calmed down about it. Then I went back and I resumed, and I was reading a book by, I I would always bring stuff in and ask these   all kinds of questions. I was always battering them with questions. You know, what do your voices think about this? Or what did did did that how what do they do when you do this?   Constant. You know? So I was reading a book one day. It's called The Voice of Knowledge by Miguel Ruiz.  

It's a great book. Highly recommended for everybody to read. And he was talking about entities that were draining people.   And as he he wrote about him, it was like,   this is this is exactly what I'm seeing.   So I I brought that book into the prison, and one of these guys I was working with, I said, hey. I got a shaman here who's writing about these these Something that sounds just like your voices,   draining   people's energy.   And I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna want to read you   this,   this paragraph.   And I'd like you to tell me   what you think about it. Alright? So I started reading it,   Finished it up, and it was talking about draining,   you know, the the being parasites, that these things were parasites. And I'd look at this guy, And he's sitting there staring at me with this glazed overlook   like as like some kind of zombie.  

And I'm like, that doesn't look good.   You know? So I'm going he's he may attack me, so I push my chair back against the wall   and brace for Him coming at me. If he was gonna come at me, at least I could push him back with my legs   because they they put females in the medical unit at that time, and they they would have been absolutely   Useless   if an attack hit whatever is gonna happen, would it be all done and over with by the time they got there?   So I   I was waiting for him to attack, so I I didn't wanna keep my eyes off him.   And all of a sudden behind my back, there there erupted this   Electrical crackling, and it was loud. It it sounded just like an arc welder. It was like crack, crack, crack, crack, crack. And I'm like, what the freak has happened? And I look at him,   and I say, do you hear that? And he says nothing. He's just got this eerie stare. He's just staring at me like Like some kind of zombie. And then this crackling starts going up by the right office wall   at a 45 degree angle, and it's moving. You could hear a crackling all the way up to the ceiling. Sounded just like an arc welder. You know? Crack, crack, crack, crack, crack.  

But I I didn't wanna Keep my attention focused on that because I didn't trust him. So I'm I'm moving my attention back and forth trying to keep an eye on him Well, I'm trying to see what's crackling, and I couldn't see anything.   I couldn't smell anything. I couldn't feel anything. I could just hear it.   And it was loud. And it it went on and on and on. It must have went on for 3 minutes. It was a long time. And then it started crackling across the ceiling,   across the back of the office where I could watch it and him at the same time. I still couldn't see anything. I didn't see any sparks. I didn't see anything. I just heard this crackling. And then it starts coming down the left wall where where I was kinda at, And it jumped into this Rubbermaid trash can right next to my leg. So I looked down in that trash can, and there's nothing in there except this crackling sound. It was empty by the inmate porter the night before. It's empty.   You know? And then boom. Just like that, this crackling   Disappeared. It just went out.  

And I'm like, I I look at him and he starts getting up very slowly,   and he goes,   I gotta leave. And he he shuffled out of the office, and I was like, yeah. Get the hell out of here, man. Go.   Yeah. So he shuffled down the hall. And after He was left. I got up, and I started examining the walls to see if there were any burn marks or any any kind of physical   Marking or anything that would indicate Right. Manifestation,   evidence. You know? That this has happened for some kind of evidence, and there was none.   There there was nothing.  

So I walk out in the hall, and I I start looking to see if any of the other offices are open, if anybody was in there. Was anybody doing anything that might have caused this? Nobody was there. The nurses weren't in yet. The doctors weren't in yet.   All those offices were closed. There was nobody in the hall. The only person in the building was the the the guard up front,   And I was, like, freaked out of my skull.   I was like, what the hell just happened? And And I I started thinking, am I started going crazy? Am I going nuts now?   You know? And there was nobody I could talk to. Nobody,   Like, I couldn't go tell, hey, you know, any of my colleagues. Hey. I was I was talking to a schizophrenic and this happened. You know? I couldn't even tell my wife because a little bit I told her before that, you know, she'd go, why are you picking through the heads of these psychotics, man? These these guys are killing people. What What's the matter with you? You know, it's a there there was no talking to her.  

You know? And, this was beyond   Adrenaline junkie stuff. I mean, I was stunned. I mean, I was just   I shut down the office. I didn't see anybody that day. I just sat there Staring out the window, like, where is this going? Am I losing my mind?   You know?   What's happening? What,   You know, I was just totally freaked out. I just stared out the window the whole day. Alright. Did that drain all your energy?   Well, I I didn't feel an energy. I just felt numb.   It was it was like   a shock. It it was a real shock to my system. So, like, somebody hit me in the head with a baseball bat or something. It was like   I I was just numb. I it was like Outer limits, like, do do do do do do do do. You know? And,   just sitting there thinking and and wondering and and just,   You know,   looking out the window all day. You know? Finally, that wore off.  

And   I didn't call that guy back for 3 or 4 months. I didn't wanna see him.  

[01:56:52] Unknown:

Yeah. I'll bet.  

[01:56:54] Unknown:

It was Do you think that he that he powered it? The the the entity   used the fear from that guy to manifest itself in this crackle sound for your witness?  

[01:57:06] Unknown:

At that time,   I didn't know what happened.   You know, I didn't know I know it had something to do with him.   Yeah. But I didn't know what.   You know? So it was, like, I think 3 months later, I finally got up the nerve to call him back in.   And he he showed up at my office, and he looked good. I thought he'd be a wreck. I thought he'd be an absolute total wreck. You know? Because if if they could do that, they were they, certainly, they had destroyed him by then.   And,   I was surprised that he looked good. I said, you look good. What, you know,   what's going on? You know? You you   You know? After after,   you know, what happened, I was thinking he'd be a wreck. He wasn't. I said, well,   You know,   you look good. I said,   how how are you keeping yourself in in that kind of shape? And he he goes,   Well, what you taught me about how to fight back about the voice with the voices,   I I haven't been able to get rid of them, but I've been able to hold them in place so they they're not advancing.  

You You know, they're not they're not taking me over at that. It's a Mexican standoff kinda thing.   And, I said, come on in, sit down. And he did. We did a little small talk, and I said,   you remember last time you were in my in the office here? He goes, yeah. I remember.   I said, did you hear that crackling?   He said, yeah. I heard it. He said, but I'm surprised you did.   And I said,   What in the hell was that?   And he said,   that was them.   And I said,   The voices?   He said, yeah. That was the voices.   I said, what in the blazes were they were they doing? He said they were trying to scare you off.   I said, they did a damn good job of it. You know?  

So,   then then I asked him,   You looked real strange when you left the office. You you looked like some kind of zombie. Said what what were the voices telling you   When you were leaving my office,   you said they were telling me to go get a shank and stick it in your gut.   Shank is a homemade prison knife.   Yeah. And I'm thinking, nah. He wouldn't do anything like that. You know, I was working with him for 6 months. He's, You know, he's he's holding his own with the voices.   He's he's doing good compared to where he would have been.   And   I I just asked him. Not not thinking that he would do anything like that. I said, well, why didn't you do it?  

And he said,   I couldn't find 1, and nobody would give me   1.   Yikes.   And I'm like, holy cow.   You know, what am I getting into?   Yeah. So that was scary   also. Oh, man. Yeah. Again, that that was over the top as far as being an adrenaline junkie. That was way over the top.   So   that's that's what that was all about.   So they don't like me they didn't like me messing with the patterns. They didn't like me messing with them.   They didn't like me arranging,   These people to be,   drugged up when they lost it.   So, virtually, they hated me. They hated me as much as they hated anybody   any anybody.  

So  

[02:00:23] Unknown:

Did they ever talk about loving anyone? Did any of the voices say they loved  

[02:00:28] Unknown:

An administrator or somebody in the south? Is to make people miserable. There is no love in them.   They have no love Except for to torment people. They love to torment people.   They love to make them miserable.   That's the only love they have in them.  

[02:00:46] Unknown:

Does loving the patient break the pattern?  

[02:00:50] Unknown:

I tell you, if you can send   that helps.   That helps.   You know, some of the earlier psych,   units like Central State back in the 1800,   they would treat these people   Very humanely.   And a lot of them got better,   and and they didn't even have medications back then.   Yeah.   But   if the patient can send them love,   that's like that's like hitting them with a blowtorch.   They can't stand it.   You know?   If if they can send them love, they can't stand it.   Well, any other questions you guys got?   So we we were talking about these things being energetic.   K?  

So they're not they're not   they're not gonna leave with physical drugs. K.   So   a while back, I ran into this new therapy, and and, you know, I've been trained in all kinds of different Counseling styles and all kinds of different,   psychological   techniques and and all these years years of in service training. None of that stuff worked. Didn't work well if it worked at all.   But I ran into something called,   the ace,   Mace Energy Method. So   I get all these all these emails every day. I get some pretty strange emails.   And,   this one guy wrote me, and and all he says is,   He goes, I got somebody that I want you to meet.  

And he says, at worst,   she would be like a jolly old,   Old lady.   And I looked at that, and I went, that's very odd. That's very out of character for the emails I get.   So it it got my attention, and I'm feeling like   you should follow-up with this one.   K? So   I did. I I wrote him back, and I said, okay.   Tell me about this jolly old lady.   So he hooks me up with this lady.   I had no idea who she was.   And,   You know, by that time, I had already learned about mace, this this,   psychotherapy.   And it's energetic,   and it's spiritual.   So it uses   the spirit to find where trauma is buried in the mind, And then it energetically   removes   that negative   emotion   from that trauma.  

And it does it very quickly,   And it does it very efficiently.   So I read John Mace's books. He's got one called Causism,   and he's got one called Energy Over Mind.   Right?   And I you know,   I'm sophisticated   enough with psych to, where I was able there was enough information there To put this system to use with the people I was seeing,   and it was working.   You know? It was working better than anything else I had.   So   I get in touch with this lady, and it turns out I had no idea who she was. Turns out that she's the chief trainer   For the Mesa Institute   that teaches therapists about this therapy, this kind of therapy.  

And we had a fascinating conversation.   And and,   she goes, well, why don't you, why don't you take the advanced training? And I said,   why should I do that? It this is working now. It's it's working. I could piece together enough of what you're talking about for it to work now. She goes, there's a lot more to it than what you know.   So,   you know, she goes,   I asked her, well, how much does this cost?   She goes, well, $5,000.   And I'm like,   woah. I said, why should I pay $5,000   When it's working for me now.   She said, what you know is only the tip of the iceberg.   You know? So I ended up, getting trained in this the Mace Energy Method.  

And   I'm telling you guys out there in the audience. If you're having psychological problems,   except for maybe schizophrenia,   You're you're depressed or anxious   or any normal psychological problems. Do not go to a psychiatrist.   Go to get in touch with a Mace practitioner.   They they have a website. It's www.maceenergy.com.   Now base www.maceenergymethod.com   backslash about backslash.   K.  

[02:05:38] Unknown:

I just Jerry, I just dropped the link for the maceenergymethod.comdirectory   to North America in the United States in the chat so people can see that. That's the actual people that are available. And you're at the top of the list, but, you know, there's about looks like there's about a half dozen,   in North America. If you're outside of the North American area, you'll have to go back one step   to the, services tab is what I went to because I was looking at it as you're you're talking about it. And, I agree. I really appreciate you putting it out there for people because, a lot of people I mean, of course, we appreciate the fascinating insight into something as extreme as, extreme as schizophrenia.   But lots of us have   Anxiety, depression, frustrations, feeling like you're going in circles, whatever.  

And if there's   effective relief   And it avoids the regular like, what you said, the medical mafia, then that's great to offer that to people so they know that they're not gonna mafia, They're not gonna like this because it actually cures  

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these problems.   That's why Mace named the book Causes them. Causes them because it gets at the cause of the problem.   Right? So   John Mace, he he was like a,   He he was he was years ahead of psychiatry and psychology.   He he wanted to know how the mind worked. How does the mind actually work?   And he found that it doesn't work like psychology and psychiatrists   think. And they don't say anything about the mind. You know, in 8 years of higher education in psychology and counseling, they didn't say anything about the mind.   Nothing. It's all behavioral stuff Because they can't see the mind. They can't feel it. They can't touch it. They they they can't   experiment with it. You know? It's it's   Ethril. It it's it's it's not physically   in existence, physically.  

You know?   So they couldn't do anything with it, so they just blew it off. They just ignored it. You know? So Mace found that the mind Does not operate   like   we normally think it does.   He said the mind actually just takes pictures of where you focus your attention.   Right.   And he found that   if   you could turn a trauma   Into an image that there was a way to get rid of it and drain that the energy out of that trauma,   And it happens very quickly.   I've worked with people who've who were had traumatic things happen when they were Young, and they've been suffering for this with this trauma for decades.   And in an hour, it was gone. They they remembered the trauma. They remembered that it happened, but there was no emotional charge to it at all.  

Yeah. I asked them, well, how do you feel about that trauma now?   It's neutral. I remember it's there. Doesn't bother me. It's gone.   You know? And it brings down that entire chain of   That particular type of trauma, and it happens very quickly,   and it happens very effectively.   And,   You know, the there's there's nothing I've ever seen work like it.   You know? And there's not a lot of practitioners out there. This was developed in Australia.   They took it to,   they took it to the universities, and they showed the university   How well it worked. Said, look. We'll prove it to you. Look at this. Boom. They saw it. The university said, well, we might consider it if you give us the patent for it. They went, screw you. We're not gonna give you the bat.  

You know, they'd probably take it and throw it away like they do with a lot of the other stuff, free energy and stuff.   Yep. So they went to the Australian legislature,   and they said   they they showed it to him. They showed it worked. They said, this should be in the mental health centers.   You should be doing this instead of feeding people drugs. This works. They showed them it worked. They saw that it worked.   They just blew it off. It's like   never never anything again. You know?   So, you know, it it it's a fairly small group now. There's not a lot of practitioners   around. You know, if you can get hold of 1,   If you're having psychological problems,   see those people.  

Make an appointment with them   In a couple of sessions. Do do you relive the moment and override it? You have to you do have to do that.   Okay. You do have to go back to that moment.   Now   this only works if you can form an image Of   you you get   there's something called John Mays found that there's there's   No psychotherapy will work unless you take into account what he called the identity.   So there's negative identities and there's positive identities.   K?   Positive identities are kinda you got a positive identity is,   whatever you do for a living. You got a you're a car driver. You're   A father, you you have all these positive identities that you created   on purpose to help you survive on this planet.  

Negative identities weren't created on purpose. They were created during a trauma when you made a decision about Who you were in relation to that trauma.   And in that trauma, there was an overwhelming feeling.   It was an overwhelming negative feeling That you can't function with a a a a feeling that intense   for for any length of time. So the ego jumps in there and it goes, hey. Let me handle this. And it takes it and it buries it in the subconscious,   and then it covers it over.   And it buries it, but it buries it alive.   So the effect of that is so if you were abused by your father, your father was a   real son of a bitch. And he was this particular type of son of a bitch.  

Anytime   that somebody like your father would come into your psychic sphere,   That negative entity would start acting up.   It would break out of there, and it would go   Either beat the crap out of this guy or   ignore him and get away from him   or or   or leave. Get get getaway. You know, it'd be fight or flight. Run from him. You know? So that reaction would come up every time you   Came up across a person like that. And the universe key takes care of bringing those kind of people to you   Saying there's something wrong here. There's something wrong here. Something needs to be fixed here. You go off every time you get around this kind of person. What's going on? You know, take a look at this.   You know?  

So   if   You find that that that negative identity,   and then you you you can once you find it,   You can have that person concentrate on that trauma   and describe what that negative identity is like.   And then once they can form an image of   it, then they can get rid of it.   And it it's it's just like your attention drains it. When you hold your attention on it,   it's like a conduit.   And it just blows it out.   So it works like draining a car battery.   You know, you can charge a car battery up till it's full.   But if you drain it all the way down to nothing, you can't recharge it again.   It's dead.  

So these these traumas are the same way.   Once they're drained down to nothing And there's no energy left in them. They won't recharge.   They recharge every time they're triggered. So while they're alive, Every time they're triggered, they gain more energy.   And then the person starts believing, well, that's just who I am. When I get around these kind of people, that's That's how I am. That's just how I behave. I just can't stand those kind of people.   That's not true.   The problem is with you,   You know? Once that negative identity is drained and there's no energy in it, that trauma is gone. You can be around those kind of people now and you just go, Yeah. I know what kind of what kind of creeps they are. Doesn't bother you. Just go, alright.   Not doesn't hook you.  

You know?   So it's all energy,   you know.   So   thoughts are energy, feelings are energy.   Memory is energy. It's all energy.   Yeah.   Poisoning the drug with these toxic chemicals that the psychiatric mafia   Uses. Doesn't touch the energetic level.   These voices that these these schizophrenics are hearing, they're energetic. They're energy.   Yeah. You can't get rid of them by pouring drugs on there.   You can you can you can dump dug down the brain. You can make the brain to where it just slows down to nothing, and it doesn't process information   the way it's supposed to. You can get the guy where he's so out of it. He's Drooling, and he doesn't care about anything.  

You know? It's like,   like drinking alcohol. I mean, you you you get drunk and you It hurts, but you don't care about it. You know, if you bang your bang your thumb or or trip or fall or something Right. Yeah. It hurts, but you just don't care about it. Now that's kinda what these psych drugs do.   Yeah. The the the voices are miserable. They're making you miserable, but you you just don't care about it because you're all drugged up. I have a question about these identities that you're talking about, these negative identities.  

[02:15:23] Unknown:

Would it be like in a man who cheats on a wife, and then the identity becomes I'm an adulterer.  

[02:15:33] Unknown:

That could be if it if it bothers them. Usually, it's,   You know, we're we're   a a parent is abusive to a kid, and the kid gets the idea,   I'm bad.   You know, I'm no good   because my parents treated me bad. I must be a bad person. You know? So they get that identity as a bad person, And then they start doing bad things, and that that identity   through the bad things they do reinforces that identity.   You know? So eventually, they end up in prison.  

[02:16:06] Unknown:

So the identity might be,   I'm a bad person. That means I'm a sinner. I'm a criminal,   And that's my behavior pattern, so I will continue to be a criminal and and do crime and maybe get arrested eventually for it.  

[02:16:21] Unknown:

Well, something like that.   Or,   a a woman who has a very bad experience with,   men. She goes, all men are rotten.   I just won't get around them at all. It's a negative identity.   The way it works is That you get into some kind of jam. You get into some kind of horrible problem, and you go,   I'm never gonna do that again.   You know, I'm never gonna I'm never gonna do that again. And then 6 months later, you find yourself right back in the same problem again.   That's a negative identity at work. It's like   a computer virus in your brain.   You know? It's it's working behind the scenes,   Driving your behavior and you're not even aware of it.  



[02:17:12] Unknown:

So   throughout all of this,   it all it seems to me I've not put extensive study into this Kinda thing. But it almost seems like you're dealing with different   levels and types of entities. Because, like, with the schizophrenics,   You're saying that, the drugs, which I I absolutely can, you know, believe and understand   that the physical drugs are not   Changing whether they're interacting with these things or not.   As opposed though to the meth entities,   Which they need the meth in order to interact with them. So now   the physical drug is bringing in,   interaction with those type of beings   where that is, you know, dependent on the meth or else they don't interact with it at all.  



[02:18:06] Unknown:

Oh, that's not true. Once it it's like the the meth opens them up to interaction with these negative   things.   Now these aren't negative identities. The these these   entities that the meth brings on,   these are negative spirits.   There's a difference.  

[02:18:23] Unknown:

You know? It's like the difference between a computer program That's what I'm trying to clarify here.  

[02:18:28] Unknown:

Yes. There's a big difference.   Now there's also a gray zone. You know, we're in my practice.   I'm going after a negative identity that I think,   It's a negative identity. It turns out to be a negative evil spirit.   And the other way around. You know, I go after a negative identity that I think maybe   Just a a negative identity turns out to be a evil spirit or the other way around.   You know, there's I think it's an evil spirit, and it turns out to be a negative identity.   So there's a gray zone there.   Is that like where they opens people up to infestation.  

[02:19:05] Unknown:

Is that where they put so much energy into a trauma that they've created almost an egregore of   the trauma? And is that, like, what creates That kind of gray zone where it's not this thing or this thing is kind of almost  

[02:19:22] Unknown:

What's a it's it's almost like a transition thing. If if you you talk to most schizophrenics, they will tell you they were extremely traumatized.   You know, they have a lot of trauma in their background,   you know, until they until they break.   You know, if they're not using meth and cocaine, I've seen people go insane on cocaine,   you know, but meth is the number 1.   I've never seen   any drug   drive people totally insane   like meth.  

[02:19:56] Unknown:

My my,   my partner, Brian, he says that, he he's a former heroin user,   A long time ago.   And he said that he absolutely said he sees the he saw the ones with the red eyes. He said he heard, and this is amongst,   the heroin crowd is a different crowd than the methamphetamine,   obviously. You know?   Don't really interact with each other that much.   And he said that he'd heard stories about the lime green eyes. I found that part fascinating because when I'm out at night,   I live out in the middle of forest.   It's part of why my Internet's been crap. We're getting an atmospheric river, and I live in the forest, so I gotta rely on satellite Internet.   But when I'm shining the forest, when I'm looking at, when I'm looking for flashes,   the color of eyes that alert me is the the,   Like, if you ever saw a mountain lion's eyes at night, I mean, it it it's like this colored red. It's like a blood red. It's not even like, your cats when your cats is that little bit of red, like, or even a person's because of the camera flash. No. I mean, there is a deep   red. You're like, what the fuck is that? And and that's it's super scary.  

But the more predatory   animals, that's either red or that greenish, and that's that's super interesting.   Where, like, If the animal's not a predator much, it's usually more of a blue.   That's pretty fascinating.   But he said that that same thing exists in the heron world, and he also saw 1 he saw entities with   Fire as eyes before.  

[02:21:39] Unknown:

Wow.   They're out there. You know? They're out there.  

[02:21:44] Unknown:

Jerry, we had one question whether or not you ever heard a crackling noise or any other manifestation   of,   of something coming through like that.   Again, after that one experience where you had the loud crackers, 3:3 minutes is a long time to be experiencing an aural, you know I I mean, people would say an aural hallucination, but I would call it a manifestation, not a hallucination,   because the the patient also heard it along with you. Did you ever have any other experiences like that where just that one time? Okay. Not not with the crackling type thing.  

[02:22:17] Unknown:

Now I did get when I was working at The later years in the prison. I got I got to where I could feel these things.   K? It was like this icky electrical feeling.   And and that was useful because   when the voices were really angry or really agitated, I could feel that.   You know, I could I could I could even   and usually, in the the emergency room was even more dangerous than the prison. Because usually when they were in the prison,   you know, you had security around all the time. I mean, there are guards all over the place.   You you didn't have any security in the in the emergency room. You know, the the and they're coming in raw. They're coming in full of drugs. They're coming in Flaming psychotic.  

So that that that feeling was   that was a big help to me. And it felt like an it felt like an icky electrical feeling. It was like,   do your hair stand on end? It was like because static pictures. Kind of a it was kind of a cross between your hair standing on end   and and   and having   Goose pimples.   You know, but it wasn't like either one of those. I don't know any other feeling like it. So temperature to it? Was that cold?  

[02:23:34] Unknown:

Was it cold? Was there a specific temperature?  

[02:23:36] Unknown:

No. I didn't there wasn't any cold to it. It was just as like Interesting.   It was it wasn't like the room temperature changed. It was just like this icky electrical feeling.   And, you know, a patient could come in and,   I I could see he was psychotic, and I'd say, are you hearing voices? And he'd he'd go,   no. I said, yeah. You are. And let me tell you how strong they are.   You know? And he they'd be blown away.   And, they go, like, how did you know that? And I said, you know, I can't see them. I can't hear them, but I can feel them. And I'm feeling them coming out of you.   You know? So they they couldn't lie about it.  



[02:24:16] Unknown:

Wow.   Oh, one other question I saw go by. Sorry, Jim. I just there's a couple good questions in the chat, and I didn't wanna miss them. Someone had asked, Jerry, if you had heard of a of a group   Who's against   the typical, what we're calling the medical mafia, and it's called mad in America.   And I assume it's some kind of   Psychiatric,   group that advocates for people, but also is against   the typical systematic way that we currently see people dealt with. Have you ever heard of Mad in America?   No.   Okay. So that go ahead, Jim. Sorry. That was only quest the other question I wrote down. Oh, it's so funny. Questions, but I didn't catch them all. So I hope they hear your broadcast.   Yeah. Me too. Me too.  



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So we were talking earlier before the show, and, I'm I'm here in Walla Walla, Washington.   And, we have the State penitentiary here. And,   my shop   that I work at,   like, every day for   Many hours is, like, pretty much kitty corner across the street from the penitentiary.   And   they just recently built a homeless camp   It's   like right next to the penitentiary. So there's a parade of   drug use and mental health   issues   All day long. And so,   this one night, I was working late, and I hear somebody just yelling like they were getting into the   The most heated   fight ever.  

And then you go out there and it's only 1 guy standing there arguing with something you couldn't see. Yeah. He was I I thought it was 2 people, but he was just Yeah. And I and I look out there, and he's he's just walking down the street, swinging a stick,   Yelling.   He had his shirt off, and he kept going by.   And I kept looking out there, and I was like, this is, like, this is ridiculous.   Like, I hear the neighbors, like, slamming their windows shut, and he's yelling. He was fighting with the voices. Yeah. So I called the police, and I was like, hey. There's a guy   Run around. He's got it swinging a stick. You just might wanna come down and take a look at him.  

And   I, like, kinda watch, and he's running up and down the street. And then   He disappears.   Totally gone. And the cops come, they drive around, they look for him, they can't see him.   And then they leave and he pops right back out again,   goes right back to swinging his stick around.   And then a couple of days later,   I I walk out of the building,   and he's there. And he says, you called the cops on me.   And I was like, how did he know?  

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The voices told   him. Yeah. I had,   one one prisoner that   The voices would tell him which houses to rob,   when to go there,   generally where the loot was,   And if the pay if the people in the house were up.   You   know? So he was telling me about one incident where he he was robbing 1 house, And the voices told him, you know, listen. You you you got some of the loot. You better get out now because the the the people are up, And they're calling the cops. So he jumps out the window, and he goes to run up this alley on his left hand side, and the voice has said, no. Don't go there. You know? Go to the right. There's a trash dumpster down there.   Run into and get in that trash dumpster and just stay there. You know? So he did that.  

The police came by. And soon as they passed by,   the voices are telling, okay. Now get up and get out of there. And he said, but they're too close. They'll hear me. The voice said, no. You get out now.   So he he quietly got out of the dumpster and he ran, Went back to wherever he was living. And when he got there, the voices were telling him, good job. You did a great job.   And he said, well, not so good a job because I forgot all the loot in the garbage.   And, the voices said, no problem. Just go back in the morning and go get it.   If if there was there was another guy   that this would this was a really this was interesting because this guy fully recovered.  

I mean, he he fully got rid of his voices by the time we were done with him.   He lived in San Diego.   He had a long criminal record, drug use, I mean, everything under the sun, pages worth of all kinds of crimes.   And,   He was hearing voices,   and they told him, hey. Listen. We know where there's a a Sesamilia drug field in Oregon.   You know, take your take take your he had $250   or something like that at the time. He said, take your money, go get 2 burlap sacks,   and we'll show you where it is. So he trusted him enough to go, you know, listen to what they said.   They directed him all the way up to Oregon   down this long dirt road, And finally, the dirt road ended,   and he goes, okay. What now?  

And they say, okay. They say, take your your burlap sacks Saxon, take your machete, and,   there's a hiking trail off to the left. We'll show you where it is. So they showed him where it was. He hiked for a couple hours, Got up into the mountains, and he found this huge sesamilia pot field.   So he started cutting down this this pot,   And he had both the burlap bags full,   carried them back down the mountain,   threw them in his car, and he goes, well, what do I do now? And he's and the voices said, well, We know where there's a park near here. Go over there. Sell your marijuana.   So he did, and he made a small fortune.  

He bought all the prostitutes he could afford. I mean, he could he He bought all the all the alcohol he could drink. He bought all the drugs he could use,   and the voices wanted to go fishing.   And I went, no. Come on. You're pulling my leg. He goes, no. No. Honest to god. They were fishermen. They wanted to go fishing. They told me to go get a fisher rod And go down to the Columbia River.   I said, no. You you pull my leg. He said, no. I'm not pulling your leg. This happened.   And, he said he was the only one on the Columbia River catching Fish that day. He said the voice has told him where to throw his bait, how long to be there, when to move to another spot,   You know? And,   what to use for bait. And and he was catching fish all day long, and and nobody else on the river was catching anything.  

You know? So he did that for   a a couple of weeks, 2 2, 3 weeks, and then finally, he ran out of money again. He goes, I got any I need to go up to the pot field and get some more pot. And the voices told them,   no. You, you go up there, they'll kill you. They're waiting on you. You know? He's they the voice had told them, Take what money you have and go back down to San Diego.   So they know stuff that, you know, Right. Precognitive.  

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No. Right. They're precognitive, and they're they're all seeing to some or at least they have some intuition to what's actually happening  

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Outside of time, the scope of time. Yeah. Now I wouldn't say all of them can do that, but   I've run into a lot of them that could.  

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So they have a a vested interest in   your   sort of   onward living and success,  

[02:31:27] Unknown:

It sounds like sometimes. Oh, they don't want you to have any success. No success. They wanna they wanna destroy you. That's why they're sent there.  

[02:31:34] Unknown:

You know? Well, then why would they want them to catch fish?  

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I don't know. Do they wanna eat the fish themselves?   They wanna just taste the fish again?   I never asked them. Maybe they wanted to get a choke on the fish bones.  

[02:31:48] Unknown:

No. It it seemed like it It was the fishing that they enjoyed. Okay.   You know? So maybe they were dead fishermen.   You know? Dead dead alcoholics or dead   Somebody that used to fish.  

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A lot of these  

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That's a lot of these entities are   a lot of these entities are are   are people who lived on Planet, No Dead. Are some of these entities  

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maybe animals?   Were there maybe   pets,   Cats, dogs, or things that these entities, these voices would travel into   and out of?  

[02:32:22] Unknown:

Well, you know, I heard of a bridge and, I think it was either Germany or England. They called it the dog suicide bridge.   Any dogs that went near that bridge, they would jump off the bridge to their  

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Death.   Wow.   It's weird.   That's crazy.  

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Did any of your patients ever make animal noises?   Did they ever feel like they were possessed by the spirits of animals?  

[02:32:49] Unknown:

No.   Never.   They did make growling noises. That was unnerving.  

[02:32:58] Unknown:

Like, human growling sounds, but not trying to, imitate a dog or something? No. Okay.  

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That's unbelievable.   They could be entities   that were living people   at one at one point.  

[02:33:16] Unknown:

That's just a little bit better. You can you can ask them. We you know, you you can ask them. Then would you ever have a life on this planet? And they'll tell you.  

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Can we revisit? You said that there was one gentleman   that had,   develop some type of symbiotic,   apparently,   attachment with some entity where the entity,   if very if you've ever read, God Emperor of Dune, it very much reminded me of God Emperor of Dune   where,   I have you ever read the dune series by chance?  

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I've I've read what is it? The,   Yeah. The dune where the there were these big sand hills and these creatures would come up out of the sand.  

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Yeah. Like, as it gets into the later books,   they end up describing that everybody,   In the tradies line there, then they, tend to have,   they where they are, have voices in their head, and they're hearing   Their ancestors   and other voices,   and it drives most of them crazy.   But then the god emperor of Dune,   it seems like he's not been possessed and he's not, because the ones that end up getting   overridden by the possession, they end up killing him like, his sister.   But then later on in the series,   you end up finding out that the god emperor actually,   entered into a symbiotic,   relationship with one of the strongest of these Attachments.  

And it,   it very much reminded me of what you were talking about where you said one of these entities was Permanently attached and in a symbiote you didn't say that word, but where they were consistently together.  

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Yes.   Yeah. And he could not get rid of it.  

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Now did that have his self interest   Or at least he's   seeing some type of success because   it would seem like like those entities that wanted the guy like, the fisherman entities. Well, maybe it wanted the guy to have some money so he could go out and do some fishing and whatnot, and they needed that. And so while it might not necessarily have been And something he wanted. It was   something they wanted to see happen, you know, that was a fairly just normal   Everyday   thing.   Did that   entity that was consistently with him   Act in a way that would be   beneficial   to it or him or having a a life. Like, if I'm gonna live inside of a dude, Like, if I was an entity and I'm living inside of it, dude, I'm gonna want it to be a good life. I'm like, I'm not gonna wanna live inside of a heroin junkie.  

Yeah. You know, like, that's living in a gutter. That sounds horrible.   So, I mean, I could it's I could not see different  

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things.   I could not see how it was beneficial to him   in in any way, shape, or form. He just had to put up with it.   And he was just   was draining his energy, so it was beneficial for it,  

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but not for him. Now to clarify, that guy was like my ex wife.  

[02:36:47] Unknown:

Sounds like your ex wife. Is that what you said, Ben?   Well, now I thought you said that the guy who had the Permanent attachment was not necessarily one of the methamphetamines   users or schizophrenics,   but that he had come into that position by using   Some other drug. And now Yeah. We saw Ayahuasca or something like that. Okay. So that's a lesser no. Less less knowledge on that experience in general then.   So   yeah. Because, I mean, it seems like Could it  

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have been Ibogaine?  

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I I don't know. He was with some shaman when he was doing it   in South America.  

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I I'm curious because Ibogaine supposedly you live multiple other lifetimes.   So were Are you that other thing that was living that out? Now it's, like, interchanging with you. I I don't know. You know, that's,   I've never heard of this with Ayahuasca, so I was just curious It may be if it was Ibogaine,   where you're supposed to go live an entire lifetime out, then you wake up back in this one like, Oh, shit. I had a kid and wife and lived my life out or maybe, you know, whatever.  

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I don't know. It was something he got from the shaman in the jungle.   I was assuming it was Ayahuasca. I don't know.  

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Do any of these beverages   go ahead.  

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I was just gonna say what I mean.   Which country? This way, I don't know. Usually, this doesn't happen, but sometimes we interrupt each other.   My Internet's really sucking. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know which country it was in, Jerry? Where the man  

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You know what? I didn't ask him that. It was one of the South American countries down there. Yeah. You know, Peru or some some somewhere in there.  

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There's a there's a question there about locations,   I guess, domains,   realms. Are there   spirits   that maybe are in Iran, that are not in Brazil,   that are in Michigan,   but not in Africa. So, like, Location, geographic wise, we're talking Walla Walla, Washington penitentiary area. Is there a spirit that has dominion or hierarchy   over that location on the map?  

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First thing that pops to mind is the Schizophrenic voices are the same all over the planet. Okay. K? So   they're they're doing and saying the same things   At the state hospital in Georgia, as they said in the prison, as they said in the mental health centers,   as they said in the the psychiatric hospitals I worked in. And now that I'm working with people all over the planet,   they're saying the same thing to people in France and Germany and and Romania and and   And all these other,   you know, what is it? Portugal and,   England. I I mean, they're saying the same things. They're running the same patterns.  

And if you look at it, you look at these patterns and you compare them to what's coming over the mainstream media right now, it's the same thing.   Yeah. These patterns are there's a one to one correspondence between what's coming over the mainstream media right now And what psychotics   are hearing in their heads with these voices? It's the same exact one to one correspondence.  

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Makes a lot of sense.  

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The mainstream media and the deep state are a macrocosm   of   a psychotics   Voices.  

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Were there any voices that encouraged or in some way enabled   The person   to create art,   music, paintings, or anything, was there any creative output?  

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Yeah. What did that look like? A lot of it was pretty strange.   You know?   Matter of fact, there's a guy on YouTube who's schizophrenic   who plays a piano.   You know?   Yeah. That was interesting. I wouldn't say it was   particularly soothing.  

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Does it create more loose, like so, like, the people that listen to the music created by the schizophrenic   guy who has the voices, is that then   Lushing more, focusing on negative emotion  

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and just sort of disturbances? It wasn't it wasn't grating,   you know, but it was it was   spooky.   Okay. You know, spooky.   And and, one thing these things do do is that schizophrenics are supernaturally   strong.   I mean, they are super naturally strong.   I've I've seen a, you know,   little   100   Fifty pound   guy threw 2 prison guards around the inside of a cell like popcorn.   There was this one prisoner   That he was in he was up in Florence,   and, they had him locked down   in this big   High,   high security prison   with with 3 tiers.   He was down on the bottom tier, And they wanted to move him. He was he was psychotic as a bed bug.  

And, they go up to his store, and they say, okay. Cuff up, we're moving you to another cell.   And he said, screw you. I'm not going anywhere.   You know? And they said, nope. Cuff up or we're gonna we're gonna get the the   The mace spray, that that,   pepper spray stuff,   and they carried it. They had, like, quart cans of that   On a sprayer that that they could spray in there.   So,   they they tried to talk him into coming out. He said, no. You I'm not coming out. Come on in and get me. They said, okay. We're gonna douse you down with this stuff.   So,   they they get the The the mace ready, they he puts a towel around his face, and they just drench him with that stuff. I don't know if you guys have ever been around that stuff. It is nasty.  

It is very nasty. You get some on you, it burns.   You know, it's like it looks like having fire. It's like your your skin is being burned by fire.   So after they got done spraying   them, you know, they ran out of the mace, and they said, okay. Come on come on out now. He said, no. You come in and get me.   None of them were about to do it at that point.   So they said, you know, now all the other prisoners on the in the whole   Cellblock are watching this. I mean, this is the greatest show in town for them. They're all at their bars looking down and watching this. So the guards couldn't back down at this point without looking bad.   You know? So   they had to win this fight   somehow.  

So they said, okay. You come out of there, or we're gonna go get the,   stun gun. You know, these,   what, 50,000 volts   We're you know, I've seen people hit with those things. They just go down. I mean, even the biggest prisoner just they're down. Just knocks them right down.   I don't know how many watts, but probably it knocks them flat.   So   he said, you go go get your guns. You know? Alright. We're gonna go get the guns. They give him one more chance. You know?   He didn't come out, so he's standing in the cell.   And they shoot him with 1 of the guns, pull the trigger, and he just stands there and he just starts quivering, just shaking, but he doesn't go down.  

No. So they went and got they they had a second gun. They shot them with that. There's a 50,000 volt each.   And one is charging where the other one's discharging.   So it's like bam bam bam. Thirteen times they did that to him. He still wouldn't go down. He just stood there and shook.   And then the warden came down, and by then, there's this whole pile of guards there watching this go on.   And, the warden says, hey. They're gonna get me for cruel and unusual punishment. You guys better knock that off.   So they stopped that,   But they still had to, say, face somehow.  

So they said,   okay. You don't come out of there. We're gonna go get the dogs.   K.   So the prisoners are terrified of the dogs because they tear them to pieces. I mean, these are vicious,   Highly trained attack dogs. I mean, they're trained to rip people to pieces.   So the the prisoners are Terrified of the dogs more than they are the pepper spray or the or the   the shotguns or anything. I mean, they're   so   He said, they said, now come on out. But I said, no. You you come in and get me, you sissies, and started calling   homos and all kinds of stuff. Just insulting them saying, come on in and get me.  

So none of them were about to do that. So they they told them we're gonna go get the dogs.   He said, go get your dogs. So they they went and got the dogs. They got the the handler.   They slid open the cell just long enough wide enough for the dog to get in there. They sic the dog on the guy, And he threw his arm up in front of his face, and the dog grabbed his arm and bit down to the bone.   And   Here he's gushing blood, and he drags his dog right up to his face, and he starts   he says, sit. He commands it to sit. And the dog sat, but it didn't let go of his arm.   And then he starts petting it like good puppy, good puppy. And all the guys outside the cellar going, what the hell is going on in there? What is going on?  

So they finally dragged the dog out That was on this long leash and the dog doesn't let go of his arm and they he got pulled out with the dog and then they beat the crap out of him.  

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Wow.  

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That's crazy. It's a part of part of   it. Supernaturally   strong. I mean, just supernaturally   strong.  

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All of them. Part of the reason that we're that they're scared of dogs, I did I did a number of years in prison.   Okay.   If if the guards suit up,   And that's why that's why I yelled at when they when they get truculent, the first thing they yell up is suit it up then because they're ready to fight with the guards. And if the guards are wearing a suit,   Then you can hit them back. It doesn't matter. You can get into a fight with the guards. It's okay. But if you hit that dog, you're getting a felony.   If you if you actually because you know what? A dog's really not that scary. You can just   as soon as they bite, you just smash their head into the wall. It's okay. They're done.  

But you catch a new felony for that. And so where the guards, I you can get into an actual fist fight with the guards at that point as long as they're in a suit.  

[02:47:18] Unknown:

That is so weird. That's not that's not how it was in our system. You hit a guard,   you you get charged.  

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So Yeah. You could actually up.  

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Like, right to That's ridiculous.  

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It's different. I I don't know about American states. The the rules and laws are different from state to state, so it's always fascinating   to hear, like, how the policy in one place It's different. Jerry, it's been 2 hours and 45 minutes, and I wanna give you the opportunity to duck out of here if you don't wanna stay and keep talking because we will continue   To digress and ask you questions, we are absolutely fascinated with your work, and we love it. We wanna encourage people to buy this book. This is Jerry's book along with, Sherry Swiney   Sweeney. Pardon me. It's called, an amazing journey into the psychotic mind, breaking the Spell of the ivory tower.  

Obviously, you can also it looks like you can hire Jerry to, as under the Mace Energy method if you're feeling like you need help or hire one of these other coaches? I'm backed up into,  

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March right now. I'll  

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I'll bet you are. Well, you do a lot of publicity on the Internet, So it makes you into a very popular movie theater even if you do have to find a chair on the line. So  

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Yeah. I think, It's closing on 10 o'clock. It's, I gotta take a shower and hit the sack. Yeah. I don't think anybody's gonna listen to this for 2 hours Yeah. No worries. 5 minutes.   You'd have to break it up to get get them Oh, they will. They will.  

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They do. If you look up top, Jerry, It's we're running about 70 people right now, and we have been pretty much the whole time.  

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That's, that's Yeah. Business typical for our crowd. They're gonna listen for another 2 hours and Just hang out. We've got a we've got a strange audience that appreciates this kind of long format. But, we do we do appreciate that now YouTube Uses the artificial intelligence to create a transcript,   and with that transcript, there are time stamps. So anybody that,   You know, could that wants to go back and find specific stuff. They can roll through the transcript,  

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click the hour mark, and then it'll jump you up 20 minutes here, 30 minutes there, so that is helpful. So Yeah. We'll have, like, a table of contents to the video. I guess and sort of closing remarks here, Maybe the topic of how do you detach from fear? How do you   recharge yourself? What gives you courage? What are the Positive sort of takeaways that people can have tonight?  

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Well, I watch what comes into my head.   You know, I I I get exercise,   and I I read a lot of Swedenborg.   Read a noise. Nice. I'm reading Swedenborg every day. I mean, I've read   virtually   a lot of what he has to say.   And there is a,   if you don't don't wanna get into the reading of it, there's a   website on YouTube called off the left eye   Or you could do a search on that, and Curtis does a wonderful job of summarizing a lot of Swedenborg's work in videos.   So you can get these short blurbs without having to wade through   all these complex concepts in the books.  



[02:50:27] Unknown:

We did find it off the left side from a few years back. It's good stuff.  

[02:50:33] Unknown:

Awesome. Thanks so much for joining us. Any final questions, I'm gonna sign off for the night. No. Just a lot of No. I think we're all good. We really appreciate you.  

[02:50:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Have a great night, Jerry. Thank you so much. Come back again.  

[02:50:47] Unknown:

Okay.   Take care.  

[02:50:49] Unknown:

Yep. Good night. Good night.  

[02:50:53] Unknown:

Woo hoo. Wow. Wow.  

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How is building my mind?  

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Took a lot of notes. That was a fascinating,  

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mixed. I I find it to be a little more mixed bag   than what he was making it out where,   you know,   As an overall, he puts it as it's all negative entities, and they're all just doing destructive things. But then you hear some of the other odd odds and end stories. So that's And even inside those, there's a bunch of different things. Like, that's a that's a real mixed bag of entities, it sounds It is. There was talk complicated than what it's easy to describe. Right? There was talk of so called guardian angels. Complicated. Like a devil on one shoulder and guardian angels on the other. So there's this in interference  

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pattern running between   negative and Positive and an angel on one shoulder may be encouraging you to do the right thing and say there will be consequences.   And then sort of like The old cartoons used to demonstrate this a lot when cartoons were   showing The age. The truth of the world. Yeah. Angel on one shoulder,   The devil on the other, certainly.   I guess there's other talks of, what people might call the the daemon or the holy guardian angel Or a voice that is more   beneficial?   I don't know if that's going to be seen in a prison or a psych ward.   Probably not something that he was experiencing. The the people who were   in touch with a higher mind   or angels or something to that effect.  



[02:52:26] Unknown:

So his his background in Well, I'm sure that's part of the reason I get that he's sort of being in that position is he doesn't get the good ones. He's only seen the negative. I'm sure there's Right. People that also still have voices that aren't telling them to stab people. You're just not having to deal with those people in a prison, like See.  

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Yeah.  

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The fishing don't sound so bad.   Unless the guy was, like, suffering all the time with these negative thoughts, and so   But I guess you could do that when you're not fishing too.  

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Well, to me, it makes sense that, you know,   If the means to an end is to aggravate and drain the energy of the individual,   some voices are gonna use a long game   Instead of trying to just, you know, aggravate the guy to the maximum as fast as possible   and get as much off of him as possible instead, like, okay. Let's build this Sky up a little bit, and then we'll bleed the balloon afterwards. You know? So to me, that's what I mean. It's it's more complicated.   I don't think that Jerry's necessarily   wrong. I don't think that they're in all these experiences that I've ever read or heard about, there's not like a middle ground.   You either have, like, helper, what people would call guardian angel types, or you have other entities that are either   ignorant or intelligent, but they're always   a net negative, I guess, is the way to say it. You know? That is not it doesn't some are more negative than others maybe, but it's not like go back and forth between being   truly helpful and then negative. It's like, if they're helpful,   then   overall, it's still negative. You know?  



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But when they say, like,   okay. So it drained you. Well, then when you also tell me stories about how that same person could take Thirteen shots of 50,000 volt electricity.   You know, a dog bite like it's nothing and make friends with the dog.   Well,   let's pretend like   this person had a 100 points of energy like it was a video game.   Well, let's say throughout the day, you typically, you know, every you're up for, you know, 16 hours.   Out of a 100 points, you use, like, 8, you know, 8 times 16 or whatever. You're you're you're using a calculated measure. Like myself, let's say I go out and I go out and do a whole bunch of work in the morning because the weather's real nice. I gotta take a fucking nap in the afternoon because I've done depleted my energy stores throughout the   day. So now if this person is experiencing an entity that allows them To do superhuman   things,   would that not leave when you quit being superhuman? Would you not be deplete?  

Well, it's like I didn't the energy   had to come from somewhere. It's still coming from you. You used up your future   Energy that you were gonna have all in one shot.   You know?   So, I mean, did it really drain you, or did you burn it up In those   moments where you were being superhuman.  

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Rachel said that something about it's an ex it's an exchange.  

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Was that what you said, Rachel? Yeah. Sorry. I think it was okay.   So   for people who are familiar with Carlos Castaneda,   he describes   these types of entities in the dream realm,   and it's an exchange.   So they're absolutely a 100% depleting this person, but building them back up because that's the exchange.   What do you want? You wanna be invincible?   You got it.   The only the only trade off is that  

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I get to yeah. You're empty.  

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Take all that energy back  

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And more or something. So Your soul is not your own if someone else is  

[02:56:34] Unknown:

holding on to it and using it. We are in a relationship. That's Mhmm. You know, it's a parasitic agreement.   You're like, okay. I'm taking this on. This is It's still an agreement.  

[02:56:44] Unknown:

It's still an agreement. If you know about it. Right. And you're not  

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because are you also being a parasite? You're like, yeah. This dude gets to be fucking invincible.   Like, Alsai gets a little bit of energy.   Like, you know, who's being the parasite here?  

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Yeah. Totally.   Totally.  

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Especially, if it's a a person that's a heavy drug user, their life is pretty low And uneventful   in the long run. Sure. They get high, but   other than that, it's pretty depressing, I would think.   And then this entity comes and and gives it all this attention. And even though it's negative, it's something so exciting   and terrible.   I mean, you can't forget seeing a shadow   person.  

[02:57:33] Unknown:

Right. And that might lead to a delusion of grandeur   or   That person might become a cult leader with esoteric secrets that no one else has.   And then to be able to sit down in a room with a group of people, just,   Wow. Tell me your stories of the occult sciences, and you've got knowledge of the other side. So then that kinda feeds the identity   of the person inflating the ego   and then leading   more people down a dark path to them being fed on.  

[02:58:06] Unknown:

I mean, how is that story different than the the biblical original stories   where supposedly the the fallen angels   Taught men   the mathematics   and and the other different arts like that. Alright. Metal or d and all that stuff.   How is it any how's that story any different?  

[02:58:30] Unknown:

I'd say there's not really a lot of divergence there. I mean, well, the plus, Ben, you know, that some people's theory is that the, demons that exist are not   Dead humans or fallen angels from heaven that actually what happened was the heaven. Now this is mostly from Michael Heizer, But there are other he he's just the one that brought it to light, and he's he's passed away now. But he's a Christian guy, and what he discovered was   That the theory was, okay, so the watchers come down, they get in trouble for fucking around with human women.   And that creates that manifests  

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New things in Oh, no. I watched you. We went and get fucked forever. Them cocks. They're  

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my cocks. Right. Told us. That's true. It's true.   But the spirits of   the creatures that the watchers created by laying with human women,   supposedly, that's what   The actual demons are and not fallen angels and not the spirits of dead human beings, but that the strange amalgamated   spirits that went Into   the combined human woman   slash watcher   conjunction.   When that thing dies,   That's the spirit that's set loose that becomes   the entity that inhabits this plane. The   It's right there. So cup super cup ghost.  

[02:59:55] Unknown:

It's like maybe a Tannen Ivar or mediator between 2 people. There's that sort of energy.   It's interesting that we ask sort of the thought form question of the egregore.   Does this sort of negative voice   Entity   thing want to create   a negative   thought form, topo,   Aggregor   Sort of companion  

[03:00:20] Unknown:

that this person can then have a relationship with, maybe In the form of a thank you buy or a thank you buy? Really onto that idea at all, so I just dropped it. Hey. Yeah. I'm not sure if he knows what The the term agrobor means. You might not know what an agrobor is.  

[03:00:36] Unknown:

We had some other questions about occult sciences   and Ouija boards and perhaps summoning   demons, like intentionally   using ritual magic with   Seals and names and things to say, hey. I wanna talk to you, and then getting,   invocation or evocation.   I don't think that that's going to go very well for people who   want to play with that stuff if they're signing contracts   with these known demons from Goetia or   other traditions.   And I will say As far   as other holy books, we talked about the bible and the 23rd Psalm. But how do okay. Okay. So  

[03:01:21] Unknown:

When you keep saying demons, though, and signing a contract with a demon,   how is it any different when you agree to serve,   Like, whether it doesn't matter whether you're a heathen and you're agreeing to do the things the seer   supposedly like or are good or whether you're Christian as god. Like, either way, you got some fucking somebody fucking telling you what to do. Like, oh, you gotta serve me. You're on my side of shit. Like, how is it any different?  

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How is it any different to hear   a voice or to read a Holy book and then have   that directing your life?  

[03:02:03] Unknown:

Like like because, like okay. So so as a heathen,   When you look at Odin,   Odin had Hugin and Munin. That was,   rather than angels, that was 2 crows   or 2 ravens. Yeah. And all and then he had 2 wolves   that are less that are, lesser well known,   that he also had.   And   he fed them wolves not nothing but meat.   All the meat, he didn't eat apparently eat meat because he gave them all the meat off of his table.   So   What I take from that is is definitely, and I've always been on this,   that   Let's say I'm in a situation   where I need some kind of crazy ass strength.   Well, not all of these things because I think that there's he he wasn't making   pronunciation with a lot of things because we could've went with some of these things were dead humans. Some of them were angels. Some of them were demons. Some of them were thought forms. They are deceivers,   so they're not gonna say what they are. Yeah. So it's like yeah. Some of them were cops. Like, there's a whole lot of different things we got going on here. And,   you know, and obviously, he has one pantheon of beings that he feels like he interacts with And is good, and that would be angels and,   what they consider God.  

Swedenborg was a heavy Christian.   So they're not saying all entities are bad. So what if this entity, you know, they're just picking aside on things. It's it's a A very interesting thing. But from, like, an Onus position,   Odin didn't choose either side.   Like, sometimes he wanted like, let's say I'm in a situation where I want that crazy strength.   The it's that's not always gonna be bad. Like,   Maybe I don't wanna do what them fucking guards are telling me to do. You know?   Like, if if you've never been to prison, Like, there's some days you just get tired of being told what to do. You know, sometimes you're in a fight for your life for something. Maybe you need that.   That's that needs to be available to you. Maybe you need the higher thinking. And from the way I've always from the way as an oldness,   I've always taken it as you you were supposed to be the middle ground.  

I'm sometimes I do this one side. Sometimes   Going up and trying to have a nice peaceful conversation is the way to go. Sometimes   stabbing a sound bitch in the damn in the damn eye is the way to go.   Yeah. No. I wanna have both.   Like, you you know, it just depends on the situation.  

[03:04:47] Unknown:

Situational awareness. Yeah.  

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Yeah.  

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In terms of other holy books,   23rd Psalm from the Bible,   I also found in the Quran that there was talks of   a whisperer   that might be compared to a jinn.   Now we're asking about other   traditions, not necessarily religious, but   folk stories, mythologies, and other things that are   outside   of Judaism,   Islam,   and what's the other one?   Just said Judaism, Islam, Christianity.   Those 3,   other stories of this and Abrahamic.  

[03:05:31] Unknown:

Sure. The Abrahamic   pantheon.   See. And even even Kosey over here said it. Some some angels are dickheads too. And it says even in their bible that angels are liars,   Like and that they have their own self serving agendas.   Well, doesn't that sound like the other side? Like, you know, here I am in the middle, Stuck in the middle with you. Right? Hey.   And and neither side has the physical   ability to affect This plain, which is the thing that I say. Like, that's part of why angels are such nags. These their beings are such nags and always wanting to nag at people because they can't affect physical reality   the way we can. And they want to. They wanna see it happen. They wanna be able to manifest these changes. They just can't do it.  

You're on mute, Jim. Oh, and you might be talking to Rachel.   Never mind.  

[03:06:30] Unknown:

Yeah. It's interesting.   I wonder if   They liked communicating in English.   Or if someone was bilingual, would it be in  

[03:06:42] Unknown:

Both languages that these voices would talk to them? That's something that I Are they even are they even talking in a language since it's Inside of your head and not being heard by your ears, so you're just taking a thought and then interpreting it into English. Like, is there even actually a language behind what they're saying?  

[03:07:01] Unknown:

I've had this experience one time. I I   Went to   a farm store. I was just poking around, looking around. I thought, like, I'm gonna stroll down the gun aisle. So I'm, like, cruising around, looking at guns. Some   The old guy that worked there was showing a gun to somebody, and then then then he's like, oh, well, look over here. And so they went off down the   down to the other end of the store,   And I, like, looked down, and there's a he left a pistol   on the counter. And his voice is like, steal it, steal it, steal it, steal it, steal it, steal it, steal it, steal it, steal it.   And I was just like, ah.  

I was like, I I I was like, I gotta take it. I gotta take it. But I was like, no. No. That's crazy. Cool. Like, why? I'd get the hell out of there because I it was, like, just an overpowering urge to take this gun.   And it was there were cameras.   You You know, I wouldn't have gotten away with it,   but   it was that voice.   And it wasn't me because, like, I'm not, like, looking for stuff to steal. It was bizarre.   But it was a moment that   of weakness sort of, or just not even   Trying. You know?   The whatever that urge your voice came through.   Very bizarre.  



[03:08:18] Unknown:

See. And then and then, like, when you look at a cult,   idea ideology,   You have differences between, like,   a principality,   which   A principality is a very strong thing. And I would say that what,   Jim's talking about, that's a basic principality to, like, theft,   Take things if you have that chance. They all that's a general energy that's just out there.   One of the one of the only ways that I've ever been able to actually,   put almost an almost physical example to it It's when you see dogs in a pack,   and all of a sudden, you have 6 dogs   and 5 of a or 4 of or 4 of them don't have anything to do. They're just, like, looking around fucking off.  

2 of them get into a fight, And then all of them will jump one of them. 4 of them will pick 1 of them well, pick 1 of them out of that too and jump 1 of them. And all of a sudden, it's a 5 on 1 fight, and there's   and they were friends before that, and they might even be friends tomorrow.   But you can literally feel that energetic shift happen. Like, something is is there, and that's a principality.   And I don't think that that has a whole lot of   Variance to it. I don't think it you know,   it's pretty much got one one area that it wants. It wants This one thing   as opposed to, like,   go rob this pot field and go do all these other things and park your car here and walk here Here and then go over here. And after you've collected your money and had your fun, we want our fun too, so we wanna go fishing. That's a whole fucking different that's that's very complex.  

Yeah. No. As opposed to just basic violence or basic theft.   Like, the the the situation   presented itself   for you. And so that energetic void was there,   like,   hey. Something needs to bite. Somebody needs Steal this fucking thing.  

[03:10:29] Unknown:

Hey. Yeah. I know. Exactly. And  

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yeah. Those are maybe those are the intrusive thoughts   Where if there's   a a social system in place to say, you know, stealing is not   good,   You know, don't steal. These are the ten commandments. You know, don't don't murder. Don't steal.   Don't you know, these things, like, maybe the lawyers say, don't libel other people. There's Is moral,   arrangements in place to maintain   a society?   So If there's a society that we have in America now and it's sort of breaking down   the hierarchy of the the police are not responding to calls,   and   People with meth addictions are kind of allowed to go into malls and take whatever they want, and the employees are just stepping aside and, like, recording. I got you on video. I got you on video. I saw what you did, but, you know, please don't hurt me. Just walk out. We're gonna claim the insurance thing.  

The social   fabric   of this arrangement   of getting along and doing well is   breaking down   The intrusive   voices in people's minds to say, you know, you can get away with these crimes now.   You can steal   the copper from the construction site,   throw it in a limo, and drive away.   These these   intrusive thoughts   are instructing people to do things to then get them more   Drugs, I suppose.   And no one's really pushing   back against this. There's no   sheriff in town.   There's no Barney Fife in Mayberry anymore.   Seems like an open air prison.   The questions we would then need to ask are   What are we what are we to do about it? How do we stand up against this? How do we defend ourselves?  



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Did the Abrahamic order   because as a heathens, we don't have a a set list of rules.   Now by making those   Ten Commandments. Did you in in in the same   fashion,   the day that those Ten Commandments had appeared,   Did you basically   just by the nature of the world,   you've made 10   Positive things, the Internet. Mhmm.   10 automatic negative   things that appeared, basically, then   Principalities   that appear   that are good   and that's naturally be   You'd have in order to counteract   this positive. And so   you audit so   you've got it out, you know,   Riding society.  

These 10 principalities   have been charging and gaining power.  

[03:13:27] Unknown:

Right. Right. So the equal and opposite reaction to the don't murder people, now we're talking about murder. So now you're Yeah. Saying murder is an idea. A lot of people. Some people aren't gonna do it. Those are the good people, but those are the people that are more likely to be murdered Then the people to defend themselves against   the murder. Sure.   Yeah. Like, it's a new philosophy.   Certainly.   Yep. And then in America with,   I guess, people having conceal and carry,   guns,   We have a culture in America of self defense and things,   which is different from other countries   who   Don't carry weapons and side arms.  



[03:14:16] Unknown:

Well Yeah. That's I mean, when you look at that,   the the countries that they don't have actually worse rates of   Like, Australia where the gun the gun anti gun crowd   told us how gun violence went down. What they didn't,   You know, talk about is that,   home invasion skyrocketed.   Rates skyrocketed.   All every other violent,   crime that didn't include a gun skyrocketed because now Nobody had fear where, like, even now, even if you see no woman lives at home alone   in America,   Like, you take Switzerland   where basically everybody has to have a gun. That kind of thing doesn't exist because you don't wanna get shot.   Getting shot sucks. It's it's not a good time.  

Don't wanna get tased. Don't wanna get, pepper spray. My dogs. Don't wanna get bit by dogs. Yeah. Right. Pepper spray isn't that bad. That's why that's why nobody cares. I was like, that's why I yelled suit them up. Most most of the ones that are a little ornery, like, pepper spray don't bother me much either. I've never been hit with There's a level that sticks to you, and it's more of a foam, and it's supposed to really be hot and make it feel like your skin's on fire. I've never done that. I've watched dudes do it. 1 dude, this was great. I was in the hole. Right? And,   this guy, he's   Out. And he'd fucked up so much. Occasionally, they will take away like, you can't even be in the hole   because they gotta have, like, more Access to you? So they put you out like this   just metal cage that's just   open, and then they can reach in from the sides and whatnot.  

And so he's out in that, and the guy's down to having nothing but, like, one of them hospital things that they put so you can pee in your bed without getting up.   And,   No. Not a pan. The jar thing that's, you know, the urinal. Bed. Yeah.   And he has one of those, And the guard walks up, and he just chucks it right in the guard's face. And there's actually 3 guards, and it hits that guard's face and Blitz and hits the other 2 in the face also.   Fucking laugh. It's so fucking hard. And they've got they walk in and that guy and they tell him to cuff up. He's like, sewed them up then, and they unleashed the pepper spray. And he drops and starts doing push ups while they're hitting him with the pepper Right. And they unload the whole can of pepper spray on them. Oh, I was laughing so fucking hard.  

[03:16:59] Unknown:

Thank you, SB, for for joining us   and being a, professional host when we're just being little silly guys while we played some Guitar solo music.  

[03:17:10] Unknown:

It's kinda fun. Hey. Hey. You know, we'll have to find out during the next invite if Jerry's still interested to come back after We found out what kind of stuff we do at the beginning,   middle, and end of our shows.  

[03:17:21] Unknown:

I realized I got some strange symbol symbols beside   Behind me, and we got we we have some, strange,   methodologies  

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here. I mean, he admitted that he's an adrenaline junkie, and he told us some stories of some What I would call some pretty fucking high risk behavior. So I think that, you know, it goes both ways. We we did ask him about music. I didn't specify   Christian band team. Well, I think the Manheim Steamroller is pretty Christian. Now the Eagles are the opposite of Christian. Okay. Manheim Steamroller, I would say, there's a pretty good chance those guys are I bet the guy that found it, it's a Christian, because they're always playing Christmas music. Right. We're always playing the Chris you know? Oh, Christmas music. Love Jesus if you're gonna play Christmas music. I mean, I love Jesus, but I don't even like Christmas music. So Christmas music sucks. It's just horrible.  

[03:18:11] Unknown:

Because the negative light do the negative voices not want you to sing Christmas Girls, or do they want you to to drive other people insane? That's a good question.  

[03:18:20] Unknown:

I think the negative voice is definitely encouraging people to teach their Kids to go out in the middle of the night in the snow and Right. Play doorbells and sing at people that never had Impersonate  

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Mariah Carey Christmas,   Voice.  

[03:18:33] Unknown:

That's even worse the idea that now that you could get carolers, and you can't even take smaller than the idea that it's it's Jesus music. Like now, you open the door, and they're gonna sing   White Christmas by Bing Crosby. Like, you little kids get the fuck off my porch.   Well, yeah, I didn't eat nothing yet, so I better bounce out of here, you guys. Yeah. Replenish your energy. Certainly.   Love. Good night, brother. Good night, Sean. Have fun. I'll talk to you guys, sometime soon. So and I'm just gonna I'm a click the leave studio button, not in Dream Don't end stream. Don't end the snow. No. Don't end the stream. So Okay. Goodbye.  

[03:19:16] Unknown:

Yeah. We generated a lot more questions. I think we'll just keep generating   more questions, exploring this topic,   And,   just finding out more.  

[03:19:28] Unknown:

Jerry was talking about how everything in the media   is mirroring these,   suggestions from the dark  

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voices. Yes. That's super fascinating.  

[03:19:41] Unknown:

Yeah. So fascinating.   I wonder if they're,   whispering in the ears of the powers that be, You know?   Even more than  

[03:19:52] Unknown:

we'd want. Putting the trigger words in the teleprompter so the newscasters   read The words, some of those might be BLM, like black lives matter, but now white people are angry that their lives don't matter. It's this sort of polarization   And divisiveness   in all of the news stories,   even the war on terror is just an ongoing terror campaign against   People just like you and me were terrorized   constantly in the reporting of   the the murders   And   the police brutality   and certain events,   this is where it gets really   Difficult to even talk about stuff on the platform that we're streaming on. If we say certain names of individuals,   Then the AI kinda triggers the no. No. No.  

Can't talk about that.   You know,   I'm thinking guys Who are,   having their   neck being knelt upon,   and now they become sainted by certain members of communities in certain cities in, like, Minneapolis.   Those sorts of,   luch   events,   maybe,   false flag activities.   What's going on in the Middle East right now with certain countries that,   have a certain   Group of people, I don't know if they're ethnic or religious or cultural or genetic or what the deal is over there.   Certainly something's stirring up there.  

[03:21:24] Unknown:

Our history with Have you ever been in a situation like that where you're self aware enough to realize that   You're in a situation and you're reacting   to the   like, especially   in the last so many years because I've been transitioned into more of Leadership type roles,   instead of just an independent role where I have a lot more leadership responsibilities.   There's times that the things that I'm doing aren't even really my choice.   You know?   I whether I would choose   A different thing. But there's sometimes you're you you have to go with what   the situation   dictates   Whether you like it or not.  

And as a leader, you're able to kinda choose those things, but there's some of those moments you just can't. There's Yeah. It's out of your control. This this is the way this is playing out. And sometimes even your position in it,   you have almost no choice but to play it out in Such a way. Even though you see the consequences   that are gonna and repercussions that are gonna happen later because of this, and you would just assume not Suffer those repercussions.   You still have to do this.  

[03:22:41] Unknown:

Yeah.   Very true.  

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There is nuance there, certainly.   Slow to judgment of   political figures,   and this might be a very unpopular opinion, but, You're posting   political figures on Instagram or Twitter or wherever, and then saying they're the devil or they're the worst person alive or the best person alive.   We are in an election year in the United States of America. People are gonna vote as hard as they can to find hope and change.   Maybe if there is an election, I think that whole cycle is   a loose festival designed to make everybody aggravated and angry and Just upset. Not proud to be an American.   If they don't like who's voted in,   we do have   local   Jurisdictions and communities,   county   levels, and your local sheriff is probably   The person that you'd wanna get to know and   talk with and understand,   the neighbors in your area, certainly.  

There are solutions.  

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Yeah. That is really where you can make a difference.   And, I'm I'm not I'm not into voting   because I don't think that   it really matters what you or I pick for the president or things like that. Yeah.   But, you know, on a local level, yes.  

[03:24:12] Unknown:

Sure.   And those   Politicians and those leaders, they are just as susceptible to the   negative   inner monologue   that's   Feeding on their ego to say you are an important politician.   Those hookers belong to you. That Blow is your reward.   Go and   do all the terrible sinful things, pastor.   Yes. Very good.   Lead your lead your flock into   a situation where they discover your your sins, and then Jerry Fal will go on and apologize   For your actions and become more popular   for your redemption cycle. So there's   there's this human drama   element, the rise and the fall, and then the   Resolution in the the redemption story,   certainly.  

That's very interesting   With all of the the nuance of the human experience and as Balderson's talking about the momentum,   the sort of energy track that   People kind of find themselves on as they take on more responsibility as they show up on a   public platform and they begin to Talk and then   other voices began to support them and their   they meet the resistance. So that's sort of the talk of the resistance.   Do we ever get to ask Jerry about   batteries and resistance?   I wonder what he would have said about batteries, resistance, and that sort of thing.  

[03:25:44] Unknown:

Yeah. That's a pretty good point.   It's very interesting about how in in the car battery,   if it drops all the way to no   juice, then the battery's dead forever.  

[03:25:56] Unknown:

Yep.   Exactly.   And and, again,   it's just   even   The way I   like, the talks that I give where you have 3 minds,   definitely that that   Root mind, that Billy mind,   that one is considered   darker and more aggressive,   Angrier,   than the higher mind, than the more,   airy fairy   philosophical mind,   Because that one is more of your,   it's your root. That's you protect your home.   Like, that's that's where your protection's coming from.   And while, again,   it's   like, let's say we get into a situation   and a stranger comes up.   Well, one side of me is gonna be saying, oh, hey. Have a nice conversation. Make a new friend. Another side of me is gonna be saying,   Smoke that motherfucker before he comes and starts seeing stealing things.  

Yeah. You know, before he tries his problems.   And I'm gonna sit there in between those two things and weigh and measure how this person's acting. And maybe they are a person that I can   Talk to and have a good time with and make a new friend and develop a relationship.   Maybe there's somebody that's only looking for what they can take from me, and I really ought to go kneecap That fucker. Get them out of here. Yeah. You know?   I'm not really against either side. Again, it's that discernment.   And I I feel like I need both sides.   I need both things. I don't wanna just be always   The   be friendly, be airy fairy, things like that. That situation doesn't always help.  

I live out where   you can watch the movie. They talk about a dude was shot right down on Main Street in the nearest town next to me. Like and it took the cops 2 or 3 days to show up.   Like,   if you're counting on that help, you in a lot of trouble. That guy was collecting Flies before the cops got there. Like, he   she knows.   Yeah. No.   I mean,   That that's not going down. So you've got, like, every   people that have lived just   exclusively in a city where all these   Services are   immediately   available where somebody else will come take your problem.   That developed an entire way of thinking that The rest that those of us that don't live in those cities Yeah.  

Have. And I've gotta be very self aware   of what's going on and which which   person   am I gonna be?   Am I gonna be the one that makes sure nothing comes and,   You know, the the whole divine feminine and the divine masculine, the do no harm, and the take no shit. Which one do I need to which which one of these things do I need to turn on and tap into?  

[03:28:57] Unknown:

Yeah. And that's why I Chose the King Crimson song 21st century schizoid man. The man in the modern century living in a city   Has such a split   mind between   not having a way with nature, not growing his own food, not building his own   Homestead, not using tools   to work the land and till the soil. The person in the concrete jungle   is so far removed from natural cycles and rhythms   that   the intrusive   voice is saying,   This is a great thing. It it's great to live in the 15 minute city. It's great to have the convenience   of the   The new store where you just, you know, scan your phone to get in, and then you just put things in the automation, the robots, the sort of it's good to have   Progress.  

And maybe those are the intrusive thoughts saying   progress is good and keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing for more equality   And social justice   and notice your trauma. So the lie on the news a lot of the times has to do with   Gender identities   and   personal identities   and sexual identities   and things that make you different From other people. And when you're in a city   and the fashions   on the outward, how you dress   puts you in a certain   Class. If you go to New York City and you're walking downtown,   you can probably tell who's wealthy and who's wearing a suit and who's stepping into a limousine   And then who's   serving that person at McDonald's,   who's the homeless person on the street? There's such a variance   In a city center   and with all of   the bars, all the liquor license,   And the availability of alcohol   in these cities   and the recreation   being go to a bar, drink the alcohol, drink the spirit   As the   entertainment in the city, that's how the cities make their money. Even small towns   with their municipal   liquor license,   that's How the counties   make up their budget is by selling alcohol to people. So now we have a real   issue here to figure out if our   modern civilization   is relying on the so called Syntax is to sell people government,   permiss permissible   THC,   marijuana,   nicotine,   cigarettes,   alcohol, all of these so called sin taxed items   to make up the revenue,   Then our whole modern civilization   is built on   something that is not beneficial   to people. If it's self sustaining itself   by   giving people   Alcohol. And they'll say, well, drink in moderation. And if you're pregnant, don't smoke these cigarettes. So they give you the warning. They tell you It's not a great thing.  

But then the government   benefits from it. Your local   your local school board,   Your local police station, your firefighters,   part of their paycheck comes from what?   Is it coming from a local liquor license At a sports bar?   At a strip of bars at the city bar? And now the prices are celebrated  

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at that point.  

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Right. Right.   Right. Yeah.   And how long has it been that way?   It's a sort of so called modern civilization where   you build a wall around the city, and then you worship a king, and then He gets all the gold and is is it always   a negative entity   at the top of this leading humanity   in this?  

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But, I mean, at some point in time, like, when you look at the tithe system,   for me then,   At one point in time,   the tide system and as far as heathens were concerned, you went and gave the yarrow a portion of your best grain.   Now the part of the reason that you gave him the very best grain   is because the Yarl was gonna set aside   The seed crop for the next year because you that's that was part of the whole you're planting his lands. He's getting a portion. You're getting a portion.   You would give him your best because now next year when I go to plant,   those those were the best seeds. They should produce the best crops, And we both keep coming up and everybody raises.  

So there was a symbiosis   with that entire system,   Alright. To it. So not it wasn't always   we can say that it's negative,   but it's not always negative. It just has to, again, be dependent on the person.   And using your own discernment when you notice that things a system is went foul,   that's when   you even look at our founding fathers.   What is it? Jefferson that said when occasionally the life tree of liberty Must be refreshed with the blood of patriots.   That's the good guys.   And tyrants. That's the bad guys. He said, do good guys first. And he said occasionally, not once in a lifetime,   not once in recorded history, said occasionally. So This is something that's gonna happen from time to time.  

The bad people are gonna get in, and then that's gonna start a a little cycle of bad shitheads.   And then the good people gotta eventually get tired of it and go in and say,   and change the cycle back up, and then eventually, it goes back down.   It's everything that I can tell in this reality that we live in works in cycles,   and you just have to be an active part of the cycle.  

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And we're seeing a lot of passive   aggressive   men   sitting around waiting for the collapse, Just waiting for the system  

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to collapse. There's nothing powder gonna be torn?  

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Do. I'm I'm you know? I don't care. No. No. I don't need your fucking I hear, but I'm a be a warlord. I've got I've got my Bitcoin saved up for a rainy day. Just waiting for the dollar to collapse, And then I'll be the richest person on the Internet because I've got my Bitcoin. Gonna take out the the fucking federal banks. Yeah.   The   the the federal reserve, Fedcoin,   CBDC,   all the new technologies, enslaving man.   It's gonna happen, and there's nothing I can do about it. Just let it happen,   and then the acceleration is wanting   Wanting things to get worse so the rapture will just be triggered, that that Jesus Christ will return and save the saints, and then other   Sort of Armageddon scenarios and apocalyptic revealings of all the hidden information and the QAnon folks saying, yeah. You know, Hillary's gonna go to prison for real Sometime soon before she's before she breaks a sweat.  

Before she starts sweating, I heard Hillary doesn't sweat.  

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You know, at at some point in time, even in prison, they don't want those people that are old like that. Like, that bitch has gotta be where she's just, like, The medical bill to try and keep her in prison   would be freaking phenomenal. Would just be   like, they literally   Let I've no. I've been in prison with they let dudes out when they're like, yeah. You're too old to to crap it to even do anything anymore.  

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Crime anymore.  

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You don't wanna pay your medical bills no more, so we're cutting you out. And then they call it,   It's some humanitarian   thing that they call it making it out like they're being nice guys about it.   Actually, one of the Gray brothers   Was let out for a little while.   The really famous,   mobsters from, Britain Mhmm. The one   for, like, the last 6 months of his life not too long ago was let out. And they're like, yeah. You're you're taking up too much medical money. We gotta cut you out of here.   You ain't hurt nobody no more. Fuck it. Like   Yeah. And that's Hillary.  

What's she gonna do now?   Wear a diaper?   Right. Ball rolling on stage?   She can't even wipe her own ass now.  

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Yeah. Mhmm. And part of the narrative seems to be   just baiting us. Just say, go ahead and mock Mock all the leaders. Just fall into the   pattern   of mocking   every leader   So that any leader that rises up gets pushed down. So any guy   who stands up,  

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Here's my question. Right. It it's almost like the pit we're at an epitome of a stagnant system, and it's not just It's not even just politics. It's everything.   There's no new new big good actors. There's no new big politicians.   It's just, Like, we're up there with decrepit ass Joe Biden and decrepit ass Donald   Trump. Yeah. And, like, and we were just talking about decrepit ass Hillary Clinton. None of these people would even be alive to see the repercussions of their decisions.   Like, that's insane.   They don't they don't even have to pay the price for what they did.  

Like, good or bad. They don't get to see either side. They're just this is   insane. You know? We're and we're talking about   hey.   So it wasn't very many years ago. It was,   Bill Clinton who was, you know,   on the younger end of the spectrum   of things.   Yeah. And Obama, you had younger viable people,   and now everybody's old and decrepit. And again, same thing in movies.   Like, you're seeing, like,   freaking Harrison Ford out there playing playing in a new Indiana Jones. Like, in he when he was just playing non solo   as he's running down the thing, he can't even act like he's running anymore. You look like an old man   Gimbling along. Like and you're supposed to be an action hero?  

I mean, come on.   And They can't find any new stars apparently or musicians.   You got old ass Madonna out there. We've all seen the the   Video of her, like, out there looking like she's having a little bit of a seizure.  

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Diaper   on?  

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Yeah. With her adult diaper on. Yeah. Like, if we just saw the Super Bowl where it was,   Like, all the, like   I don't know. All the rappers from the freaking eighties and stuff,   jay z and people like that, All old as shit. Doctor   Dre. Every one of them out there freaking,   like, I   I took some Metamucil.   I gotta get To bed before   7:30,   though.  

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And rage against the machine is now   raging on behalf of the machine.  

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Yeah. Why are we even talking about these people? Yeah. The the the celebrity worship  

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I don't know. Maybe that's an intrusive thought. Celebrities. Is it intrusive thoughts in the mind to say I need to worship these celebrities?   I need to become addicted to following the lives of these celebrities.   And   With so much energy,   the theme of tonight is energy and so much energy and only so many hours in the day, The time devoted to following,   I don't know, politician that you love and or hate or despise,   Attracting, repelling that energy.   A pop singer, Justin Bieber, he's still popular.   NSYNC, Backstreet Boys,   Mickey Mouse Club members,   movie stars, all this sort of celebrity worship.  

I don't know.   Athletes athletes   Sports Illustrated Magazine,   they are no longer   in existence, I guess. We're we're at a different point in   In the timeline history where   we used to have beautiful women on magazines   once a year, Called the swimsuit issue.   Physically fits, strong  

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bodies. The whole staff. Did you see that?   They fired the whole, Sports Illustrated staff on that? Yeah. I wonder how many licenses were to happen. The license wasn't paid because the brand was  

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worthless   after putting   on the cover,   you know, different   Sized bodies, which are not athletic at all, and then different gendered individuals,   some confusion there. And, of course, people were like, that's not an athlete. That's not a sports hero   on the cover. I'm canceling my subscription to support of this thing. So   the the demoralization   campaign   from the media is in full effect.   I don't know how much longer we're gonna have to go to be even more   demoralized.   And my my final closing thought is with A solution oriented   sort of leadership   thing. Well, that's   that's the father. That's the man   Who marries a woman who raises a family and then defends that family unit,   maybe on a homestead,   whatever it is. Right.  



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What you're saying   is a centralized in home leadership.  

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Yes. Not,  

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You're giving your leadership out whether it be to a political figure,   whether it be to a celebrity that you're idol worshiping,   Whether it be to a church figure Yeah. You know, that's all all of that is a giving out of what,   Mythologically,   we would call the Promethean flame where you have your divine,   right of free will and and, You know, your own own self and your ability to act on that. You have given that away   to other people.   And now what you're talking about is now,   pulling that back home   and fracturing instead of having one giant   Title system where everybody's   kinda in this drone of the same thing.  

I mean, even the way music's gone, like music, Country and rap are the same thing now, aren't they? Yeah. And pop music? Like, it's just all one kind of just one noise.  

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It sounds terrible.  

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And instead, where it's fracturing back into tribal systems because if each home is led by one figure, whether it be the man or the woman of the home or whether it's a What thing? It's gonna be vastly different than the neighbor or the neighbor down there, which is   when we look at old Germania,   Even though they were mostly   entirely heathen with some exceptions,   even inside of the heathen worship, we find Vastly different stories and traditions. Like, because this tribe here didn't practice the same way as the tribe over there. So it took this whole universalist.   It's an entirely different push than the universalist push, which is what we've been seeing for a very long time. And I know Rachel's off puking hearing about the universalist   The same as me. She might be the only person I know that has as much   visceral   about that shit as I do.  



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Right. Right.  

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She's laughing.  

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Because she knows it's true. She's like, fuck them universalists.   She's not like   I'm like, oh, miss Prissy, and all of a sudden you say universal. She's like, yeah.  

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She's right.  

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She becomes a heathen real quick. She's no longer a Celtic thing anymore once she hears universalist.  

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Yes. And   With   Twitter, if Twitter is the home page of the Internet, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, the the public platform of Twitter It's now called x.   And if,   x is a 24 flutter I'd say x.   Right? And we're getting on the x. X is the crosshairs. Right? So if we're now in the crosshair, humanity,   America, I don't know.   Are we feeling victimized in that way? Why is it like this?   You tilt it a little bit like a swastika.  

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Not the same.   Not the same symbolism.   And that gets into the interest intricacies of symbolism.   Yeah. When you're looking at that, like Like, this symbol, that's the symbol of the sun. That's that's time out. Right? In sports, this is time out. Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

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And I know sports. That's the time out.   It is. It's the time out.   It is. I'm glad we can agree on that. Go have a a   gay moment or something. Find some common common ground there. We're all taking the time out together and I see this as the torture  

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cross.  

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Uh-huh.   See see. So that's fascinating. Okay, Jim. Now this and I agree that when we've looked like, you look historically that x like this Where you're going like this, like, even look at, like, Game of Thrones where they have,   Theon Greyjoy, and they go to cut his dick off. And he's on that thing, and it's an x like that. But,   when you look at the, like, the runes and whatnot, that x is exchange.   And so there there's an exchange going on Or a changeover.   Sometimes it's it's considered gift, which again is an exchange,   where   The thing with this, they've kinda changed everything over into that. So because   some of the things when I've been looking at, like, Thomas Sheridan has that who stole the all father   series, and he says that Christians never had the cross.  

And that was always Irminsul.   And if you look, like, Irminsil looks basically like the Christian like the Christian cross, not quite the same, but it's the same basic shape,   where he says that, that was never a Christian symbol at all. And then I started looking at the x, and it seems like and,   There's a number of people that are saying that he was crucified. It was an ex like that, which is more of what medieval torture was like.   You didn't see him putting him up on that cross. And then it takes away a lot of things, like, they had to come up with the whole 2   Feet and one nail thing and whatnot where it it just would have been normal,   the way that they were doing it.  

But a lot of that was just to try and take and smooth over that transition into Germania because they couldn't take that area by force. They   tried, and they died. You know, 2 to Berg Forest, 3 Roman legions got wiped out to a man, and it started the entire fall of the Roman Empire.   So they had to come in with the other things,   and that included taking the Germanic traditions   and   Putting them all into the Christianity and then giving it back. Like, here, you still get to do all the same things. We're just changing the name on the title.  

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That's how the Romans   played. You know? Yep.  

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Yep. The Roman playbook. You betcha.   And Alexander the great,   you know, basically, the Semitic playbook, we might as well call it.  

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Yeah.  

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I love orange juice.   Fruit juice, apple juice.  

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If you send it, we'll get it to him.  

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The way his kids you know. He's he's switching he's Twitching out of Ricola. He needs vitamin c now so that way he doesn't  

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vitamin c. I need nurturing   Fluence. Yeah. We need to  

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charge up our batteries again. There is the sun is, like, 5 trillion miles away from him now. There's no heat out of it whatsoever.  

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It's a cold winter sun  

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over here in Minnesota.   Gorgeous.  

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Yeah.   Trying to stave off the scurvy.   That's for certain.  

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There's no scurvy in Disneyland.  

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There's no scary in Disneyland.  

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Built in an orange grove   And Disney World too.  

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I haven't been able to have orange juice recently. The place that the one the best orange juice place here. I don't know. I think they went too long without cleaning their machines   and had, like, a   almost   nobody outside of our house could tell, Like, because the people at the store tried it and everything, but they even admitted. They're like, you they have to order an extra orange juice just for me and Brian.   And they're like, yeah. You guys drink all of this.   We we understand what you're saying. We can't taste it. Like, yeah. It don't taste right. It tastes moldy.   Like, it it's a very   hidden underlying flavor. But when you drink, you know, half a gallon of this a day and all of a sudden one and all of a sudden they have a moldy flavor, and I might notice.  



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Like, slight alcohol bite   of fermentation.  

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It wasn't even fermenty. It was kinda moldy flavoring. I think they probably need to do a severe flush. Like, I gotta do this with my equipment sometimes You get build up inside the fittings and the little nooks and crannies where the fittings   yeah. And the hose ends, things like that. And you gotta take everything apart. Just give it a thorough, thorough scrubbing and get every bit of everything out of it. That's why, any type of equipment like that really needs to be stainless steel if you're doing any type of,   large scale production because you're you're gonna have to clean that regularly. Otherwise, the, You know, in large scale because   if it's small scale, small buildup, large scale, large large buildup, it don't take long before you got nastiness That really affects the quality of your products.  



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I forgot to introduce   Belle Figuero to the show tonight  

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on the Belle Figuero. Belle Figuero.  

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Yeah. I,   I I Played nice. I didn't get too  

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happy with the the overlays and the started out, like, 20 minutes just poking him. Just poking for, like, 20 minutes. I'm like, holy shit. Alan   Alan Marcus is on it tonight. He's just gonna fuck with him the whole show. No. No. I was like  

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I had intended that introduction for a different guest, and it's the one we had Queued up. And I'm like, you know, I like it. I was dancing to this all after. Yeah. That was supposed to be for the melt.   Well, it's be for a spicier guest. Yeah.   So I did have to say that it's horrible, and I didn't apologize for it, but I I did warn that it would be   terrible. And there'd be flashing images, and the music would be loud, and it would be annoying. And I would have high pitched guitar Squeals and   no one should enjoy it. But  

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So, like, I so, like, if you're getting ready to drop just a rank ass fart in a room long as you say I'm sorry before you drop it, it's okay.  

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It's like putting a   emoji after an insult in a text message.   Okay.  

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Actually, the emoji would be before the insult. Like Right. You know what I mean? Like, I wanted you. I gave you the emoji, and then, you know It's it's the technique of a youth pastor who wears his hat Backwards that carries you on a skateboard to be relevant to the kids. The people most needing to hear   this message about intrusive thoughts and the negative   Entities are probably gonna love King Crimson   and heavy metal music. And I don't know if that's really heavy metal, but just sort of the guitar solo.   One of the guys I worked with who was clearly,   a friend of drugs   would always just have his Headphones on at work, and he'd just be banging his head and listening to that sort of music. And I didn't really want to   Drive that point home to ask, you know, is heavy   heavy metal the the devil's music? Is it only used by,   It was Satanists, and dark occultists, and   that sort of thing. Because I know there are Christian bands that, you know, have Bass and guitar and drums, and they sound heavy.  

They scream in their music.   But I wanna I wanna go to the Eagles. Together, it's crap.  

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That that is crap.  

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Yeah.  

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I gotta listen to some eagles music and   drink some apple juice and eat some graham crackers.   Put on my grippy put on my grippy socks and  

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Yeah. Luckily for all of you spiders out there, There's no room for intrusive thoughts   because we live in your mind.  

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It's a comfy cabin.  

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I gotta tell you, if this if that was the entire thought process, if you had   me and Jim and Alan Marcus   And Sean and Rachel all sitting on your shoulders,   like, and all saying things I don't even know what you're gonna do. It's it's gonna that's gonna be ugly.  

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It'll be interesting. That's for sure. It'll be very entertaining.   Yeah. You watch closely  

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To to finally You might watch the drugs.  

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These guys.  

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Banish those intrusive thoughts was laughter and and weird whimsical   ideas that catch you from nowhere. Where do they come Where do they go? Where do they go?  

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We love you.   See you next time.  

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Same spider. Love you guys.   Good night. I don't like the drugs, but the drugs   like me.