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263 phallological fifths surround pleasure town
streamed live on July 27 2024 to
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Returning guest https://themeltpodcast.net/



The Melt joined The Spiders over a year ago on
206 sex dolls, 7 Sacrificial chickens, 1 syringe of GRAVY
Streamed live on May 6, 2023 to Weaving Spiders Webs YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJY-K9f5Tcs

Decoding Ancient Texts and Modern Controversies
From Alchemy to Activism: A Deep Dive
The Melt: Exploring Gender, Alchemy, and Modern Society
Olympic Spectacles and Ancient Mysteries
Predators, Prey, and the Politics of Modern Movements

https://rokfin.com/stream/50976/WSW-263-Melt-your-face
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In this episode, we dive into a lively and multifaceted discussion that ranges from the peculiarities of podcasting and live streaming to the intricacies of ancient texts and modern gender issues. 


We start with a humorous and somewhat chaotic pre-show banter, setting the stage for a deep dive into the controversial topics of the day. 

Our guests, Hunter Muse and Chris Snipes from The Melt, join us to discuss their latest episodes and the fascinating, albeit controversial, figures they've interviewed. We explore the works of Dr. Ammon Hillman, who delves into ancient Greek texts and their modern implications, particularly around gender and sexuality. The conversation takes a turn into the realm of alchemy, the occult, and the societal impacts of modern movements like feminism and transgender rights.

We also touch on the symbolism and spectacle of recent events like the Olympics, questioning the deeper meanings and societal impacts. The episode wraps up with a reflection on the importance of open dialogue, the role of predators and prey in society, and the need for nuanced understanding in today's complex world.

(00:00:00) Introduction and Initial Banter

(00:03:13) Preshow and Technical Setup

(00:16:27) Introduction of Guests: Hunter and Chris from The Melt

(00:17:06) Discussion on Controversial Guests and Topics

(00:22:03) Exploring Religious and Historical Controversies

(00:33:02) Gender Identity and Societal Impacts

(00:51:00) Public Spaces and Gender Inclusivity

(01:00:00) Historical Context and Modern Implications

(01:22:00) Dark Shamanism and Societal Experiments

(01:47:00) Predatory Behavior and Societal Responses

(02:04:00) Feminism and the Role of Women in Society

(02:28:00) Art, Transgression, and Public Reaction

(02:51:00) Closing Remarks and Upcoming Events

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Audio recorded live Saturday nights and streamed to:

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So it's 263   come in 263?  

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263.  

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Can I get a confirmation on 263?  

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263 is live.   Rock fins.  

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Feel like we're taking off.  

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Still not, there we go. There's a light button.  

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Flight check.   263.   Come in. 263.  

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Tray tables are up.   Rockfin is a go.  

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Rockfin is a go. 263.   263 is here. It's melting. What's the temperature over there for you, 263?  

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500   55 degrees.  

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I'm picking up good vibrations. Is Barbara Ann available?  

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Barbara Ann   is not here.  

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Just think the Beatles boys ever grew up.  

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Ever became Beach men?  

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The Beach   Men.   Did their voices ever change?  

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Did they use auto tune?  

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The Beach Boys with auto tune would be interesting.  

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I feel like I'm listening to the either a police radio scanner   or air traffic controllers.  

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It's both. The signals are crossed.   It's a bug and a future working as desired.   We got some chitter chatter.   Checked the Rockman.  

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Can I check my flight to?  

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Was there a CrowdStrike?  

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Is there some union organizers going themselves to the tarmac?  

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Plug those cables back in.  

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Do climate activists   have to wear a bicycle?  

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Yeah. Sounds like a dada q and a   prompter.  

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They have to wear a   bike lock,   ironically, with no bike.  

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That's it.   Who holds the key?  

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Let's see if I use bike pipe lock. Greta Thunberg. Duh.  

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No. No. No. No. No. It's agent Dale Cooper.  

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Oh. Hi. Hey. Hi, O. That's our that's our people.  

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It's the is he the governor of Portlandia?  

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The mayor? Oh, yeah. The principal, the president.  

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What's his position?   Mayor. Mayor? Mhmm.   Alright.  

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I moved out of Portland,   so I don't even know.   It was a good choice.  

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Sure. Sure.   Well, we're live. Welcome to the show.  

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This is the preshow.   Trying to get that Rockfin link.  

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With that Rockfin link shooting. Odin's alchemy.  

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That's the net username.   I'll get that link when I see it here.   Now let's let's play that intro.  

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Let's play the intro.  

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Hi. Welcome to the show.  

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Don't you want devoted followers   who leave their families for you, give their money to you,   give their bodies to you,   give up their lives for you,   consider you God,   and will kill for you.   I love you.   Don't be wise to become a health leader.   We're a meditation.  

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We're a world class meditation.   We're a person.  

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We're a company.   Promise to fulfill their dreams.   Surround them with happy true believers. So when in doubt, they will tend to do what everyone around them is doing and believe that in norm.   Start with a prolonged period of love bombing.   Surround them with unconditional love and attention.   Your cult family should act friendly and interested.   Share information to you and hold your weaknesses. Tell us about yourself. Take this personality   and then use this information to manipulate  

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Practice makes perfect.   But wait, there's more.  

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And chanting.  

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We call it b b t 2. Hours of meditation.  

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In these trance states, they are more receptive and suggestible.   Revert them back to childhood dependence and mindless obedience.  

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That's for feedback.   We have a 263.   Come on. 63.   Have a guitar solo in progress.   Is it Marty McFly?  

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What? Do we have visuals on a Marty McFly?   No.   I   wanna   go to that.  

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I think we napped him. Got him. There he is.   There he is. Guitar solo's down. Guitar solo is down.   Continue with 263 as planned.  

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263.   Welcome, spiders.   We are leaving tonight with Hunter and Chris from The Melt.  

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Woo. Hello there.  

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Hi. What's up, guys? Good evening. Jim, what's the name of the stream?  

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What is the name? Stream is, hashtag wsw263,   biological   5ths, surrounded   pleasure surround pleasure town.   Pleasure.  

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Pleasure. Fantastic. Yeah. Tell me.  

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To everyone over on Rockfin.   The name over there is   Melt Your Face.  

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Cool.  

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Rockin, I still love you even though you won't have the melt on your   platform for some reason, but I don't hold it against you.  

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Too hot for Rockfit.   Too hot for Rockford. Yes.  

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I love it. We were just talking about your previous guests. So if people are looking at the melt and they see your last guest, real controversial guy, I think he sounds like Iago from   Aladdin   a little bit.   What was it like talking to this   maybe the most controversial man in the podcast in circuit as of now?  

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I thought it was very, very relaxed, actually.   Very down to earth person.   Self deprecating.   Yeah. He he seems like,   who how did Emily put it? Somebody who's seen the the other side of the portal. Like, he's seen something,   and he's come back.   And in comparison to most of the populists, he seems like a madman, but he just has a very specialized   area of knowledge   that he claims to be true,   which happens to be the same thing that insights   tons of other people to look at him like he's a nut  

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because they don't know ancient Greek. Well, what I I said to him on our show was he looks like he's looking into the face of God.   Yeah.   That's that that's his energy very much.   And this is just to plug because we love to shamelessly plug This is like Gamway.   I well, I love to plug people who Yeah.   Are interesting   and not trying to get rich off of selling you   some fucking protein powder or bullshit.   This is doctor Hillman's book,   and I actually got a PDF of it. And then we went to just, like, a local printing shop and had a copy of this printed, and I would be more than happy   with his blessings to send anyone who wants a copy of this book because if you it's out of print and if you try to buy it, it's, like,   $1600 is the expensive amount.  

And this is what his dissertation   was about,   was basically the use of drugs in   antiquity.   And he's just a very   earnest   and what I would consider gentle person,   but he is very freaky in it.   Super freaky in it.   But I absolutely   am   a massive admirer of anyone who   speaks languages or can interpret languages. He's one of 4 people on this planet that can speak   the languages that he speaks. And so I'm a huge admirer of him,   for that reason alone.   Because anyone can teach him how to get, you know, rock hard abs or how to do, like, squats.   But who is, like, really going back into   antiquity and looking at these sacred texts and trying to,   interpret them   in the most honest way possible.  

Doctor. Sussman, you want to read that? His name is,   doctor Hillman, doctor Aman Hillman.   This is   his book, The Chemical Emblems.  

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Also known as Lady Babylon.  

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Mhmm.   He has,   written 3 books. The other book is The Original Sin. This is a very interesting book. I highly recommend it. It's about ritual, child rape,   and the church,   which these topics are very challenging and controversial,   but they're important because I think that   we have   very skewed views of antiquity   and of,   the way people were living. And to have someone be able to go back and read these texts and say, okay. This is actually what was going on and why these things were happening is fascinating.  

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What's your guys' history?  

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It's a deep subject,   and hearing him sounding kinda like a villain and then seeing him on some other podcast where   they're intentionally   censoring some of the words, it gets a little bit confusing.   I think that as adults wanting access to the information directly treated like an adult. I don't know that he's been given a fair treatment   by anyone   on any platform yet to this point. You guys did a great job of of talking with them on your private podcast there, and there's a second hour, I imagine, with even   more delicious,   nutritious   facts from the philologist   himself?  



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Indeed.   Yeah. It's it's a mind fuck. It really is. You know, especially if you were raised   my my upbringing in terms of religion   is complicated because my mother was raised a Southern Baptist.   And   the Southern Baptist faith is very much about   repression   and holding,   holding people back and preventing them from just fear.   Controlling people's behavior with fear.   And I know that doctor Hillman came from a similar background   in his rearing, so   he is coming from a place of faith. He's not coming from a place that that he is   skeptical of Christianity.  

I think it's for a deep love of Christianity   and a deep love of Jesus Christ that took him on this journey.   So,   it's that earnestness   that I think I'm drawn to in the work   because he's not you could be so National Jew,   National Enquirer with this shit and really   really fuck with people's heads.   But   he's just a just the facts, ma'am, person. Like, so he's not saying this is what I think this says. He's saying, no. This is what this text is saying.  

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And he's teaching people ancient Greek too, which I think is,   says something, a testament to his credibility since he's willing to open that door for anybody who's   has the patience to learn the language   to be able to read that shit themselves. So   I don't know.  

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It came out pretty pretty legit to me. Sure. And there's another author you've talked with, Anthony Peek, and he's talking about the life review within a life review. So there's sort of another question of, well, what happens when we die? And he gets into a lot of interesting stuff, especially the day mon and cheating the ferryman and these types of things. What's it like talking with Anthony Peake?  

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I thought he was really I mean, he he gets into some really technical information in his last book, Cheating the Ferryman,   but,   when I wasn't glazing over with the really mathy stuff,   he peppers it with a very playful,   curious mind. He's a very childlike mind in the sense that,   you know, he's very, very open minded, and he's drawing information from all of these different places and distilling it in a way that I've never quite heard done in that way. But I thought he was really charming and super sweet and super smart.   What'd you think of?  



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He has   amazing teeth.   His teeth were huge.   And he is he just has this great energy   that I was again, I'm very drawn to   anyone who is kind of pushing   their   research and their study out of normal consensus   reality. And there's even a consensus reality in the,   conspiracy space or in the truther space, and we've all been kind of coloring within the lines a little bit. And   these   men, again, are doing work in earnest to really kind of look outside of the same kind of myopic   navel gazing that I feel like it's very easy to get into. It's easy to go to 911. It's easy to go to conspiracies   that are cozy and comfortable   because we've all decided certain realities   are the ones that we can agree upon.  

And so   to talk to these folks that are   really looking outside of that, it's exciting   because   I get kind of like Groundhog Day in the conspiracy world too. It's like, okay. How many Joe Biden's are there? Do I really give a fuck that there's 17 of them? Do I really believe any of this theater? No.   So   let's talk about other things.   I feel like like the United States is an obstinate child right now that's just filled with bad behavior.   And the more bad behavior we focus on,   the more the kid is gonna keep doing that shit because they're getting the attention they want.   So I think there's people right now who are waking up to that, who are like, you know what? Let's maybe not put all of our eggs in this emotional basket   and maybe start looking in different directions   because that curiosity is what is really keeping us human, I think.  

I agree. Right?  

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Oh, yeah. Absolutely.   It's so it's so hard not to just walk away from   the main the mainstream. You know?   A lot of people spend so much time trying to   decode   everything. You know? Decode the   the Olympic ceremonies.  

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Yeah. Oh, we will do that.  

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See if we'll actually go get to that.   That was to the point where they're live tweeting it, you know, like, come on, ruminate a little bit. Think about it. We're building up to the bacchanalia.  

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Yeah. Not not so soon yet.  

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Yeah. Exactly.  

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Night's still young. Do you know if,  

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Too young.  

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This gentleman has tried to,   speak with anybody else because we've got another friend that also   reads the original text in ancient Greek.   There's definitely similarities   to their story.   I don't know that, there's definitely differences,   definitely similarities, but, Jeffrey Doherty   also looks into that, the Christian whistleblower.   Mhmm. He's   he used to be a priest or a pastor or whatever and,   a very highly regarded one, and he was   a keeper of the word and was supposed to study all these things in their original text and whatnot and   came to some of the same conclusions   that are he says some fairly shocking things for most Christians.  

Not quite the same things, but, I was just curious if he's, interacted with   fucking flies   Yeah. With,  

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fucking flies. I would like to know that too, actually.  

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Well, I know that he,   has worked   to some degree or has had some relationship with Carl Ruck,   who is another person who is in the same field of study.   But outside of that, I don't really know because I don't know him. I mean,   Chris   basically had to twist my arm to force me to listen to this episode   because   I get to this place. I'm I'm the kind of person where   my emotional   terrain, I have, like, a a fill limit.   And when I get   too close to the top of that, it's like, I'm not I don't have the   real estate right now to deal with this information.   And he kept pushing. He's like, no. You really need to listen to this guy. Like, you've gotta listen to this interview.  

Maybe ignore the the interviewer, but listen to what he's saying.   And   so the way   we kinda contrived to do it was in the car when we would be going   to another, like, like, a neighboring town to do grocery shopping or something. So I started to get into it, and I was like, wait a second.   So, basically, what this person is saying is that   there there were   sacred rites and mysteries that were being conducted   by   women and   that these priestesses   that were oracles   were 14 year old girls   that were from birth,   basically given these   interesting concoctions   of snake venoms and different drugs   that would put them in these states   where they would basically   be,   fortune tellers or future tellers or somehow have some,   divination,   some power of divination.  

And I was like, okay. This is the book I wanna read.   This is the world I wanna explore because   this feels like there's knowledge here that has somehow been   rewritten or suppressed, and I'm curious to know   what the actual text   says   and what it says,   in relation to what the bible says.   And so   Peter Hillman keeps going back to the bible and saying, well, it says in the bible that Jesus was caught   in   a park at 4 in the morning with a child.   That's in the bible.   That's not his interpretation.   That's where he was arrested.   So   this begs a lot of questions.  

Now   as a Christian,   I have this view of Jesus Christ that I've grown up with, what the Christ consciousness   is.   And to have anything kind of fly in the face of that   was very alarming to me. And I I was like,   okay. So what else? Because, again, you guys know we've talked about this before. And, the other time we were on the show, I grew up I was teethed on   JFK assassination. Like, I grew up in the conspiracy world. So there's not a lot of new information that I go,   That's interesting.   So to have someone share this type of stuff,   that really has made me question   what I always already questioning, which is organized religion. That's always been an ongoing conversation.  

But   to see   maybe what was   and why it was,   censored or suppressed   and how women were so   intrinsically   involved in these rights   is insane.   So we've been now we've we have been put into this mindset of,   I don't wanna say, like, the anti trans movement. Like, we we don't love transsexuals   or we we   think that there's this gender confusion that's going on.   Well,   what if this has always been? What if this is not a a result of vaccines as we have   opined? What if there is some other thing that's going on there that we haven't necessarily   explored,   that is has a whole different meaning from what   we are culturally assigning it.  

So   anything that's kind of pushing me out of my own biases   and my own   perspectives,   I'm interested in exploring right now.  

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Well, I I I don't,   think anybody believes that this is something that's   never happened before,   or didn't exist,   you know,   at some point,   throughout, you know, all the time   to   the thing that most people would discuss at this point is the degree   and how much that's driven by societal   input rather than actual   burning need.   Like, the like, many of these people in our current society and due to media,   being the huge the biggest driving factor of it,   now that's cool and fashionable.   And you're gonna find,   and and   it's very much attacking the most confused,   people in the planet.  

And there there's no such thing as, somebody in puberty who's not horrifyingly   confused.   Okay. And so they're they're predating those people   and then making that cool.   I'm myself,   I'm actually a a defender for,   the naturalness.   I I live off grid, and I've farmed my whole life.   And even farming,   there's I've had gay animals,   and it's a natural thing, but it's an anomalous thing.   So out of 1,000 and thousands of chickens that I've had,   I've had a couple that were gay. We had 2 roosters. We used to call them Liberace and Elton   John, and those who would hump on each other, and they would beat the brakes off of anything else that came over and messed with them. They were mean as hell,   but they didn't ever go after any hens ever. Just each other. Just weird as hell. But whatever.  

And I I   but,   it's a normal thing.   But, again, it's it's very anomalous.   We're now we're starting to see where that's moved out of an anomalous percentage to a noticeable percentage.   Now   is the where the conspiracy   conversation   really picks up is   is that   something that was natural?   Is that somewhat chemically driven? And is that societally   driven? Mhmm. Yeah. You know? So that's where it really comes in. It's not an actual full on because we even have a friend, Chaney, who's, who's,   lesbian and she's married and all that.   And she's totally,   against the   societal push of it. Not   obviously, she's not all about   stamping out, you know,   gayness or anything,   obviously.  

But,   the way that society has made that into the new,   fad   and   that's gotten really   a big problem.   This other and I can definitely see where, if that was   given your interview last time.   I can see where,   somebody who grew up in such a shocking   world with such, you know, your father is a professional wrestler.   That's a fairly,   shocking,   industry, you know, a lot of, attempts to even back then,   you had, like, Jesse Ventura   where he would come out with the feather boa and, you know, things like that.   So you you that was kind of the that shock factor was definitely something that you were grew up inundated in   and for you to   find this shocking. You know? That's that's it says a lot, but definitely   a lot of Christians.  

I I find Christians in general.   The the Catholic church at one point in time was the majority,   the well,   in the western world was the biggest religion, and they were all about don't read the bible, go to church, and what they tell you, that's what you're told. And   that seems to, even today, hold prevalence.  

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Mhmm.  

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So  

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Well, what I'm curious about,   and we didn't get a chance to talk to doctor Hillman about is this other book that he's written, which   is hermaphrodites,   gynomorphs,   and Jesus.   And the the   subtitle here is Shemale gods and the roots of Christianity.   Now   what I would   posit and what I talked to Chris about is you would think   that people   that identify   as transgender   would   be championing doctor Hillman's work because somehow   it,   justifies   or it it basically gives some context   for   the the transgender,   movement   as being part of something that's been   historical.  

Like, so we've always had this as part of our history.  

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So I think Most   of the people in that community are anti church.   The you have a giant swath of atheists at the very least.   The rest,   I'd say,   half atheist,   half,   Wiccan,   and that non sense type thing where they just kinda mush everything that they've ever read together and just, like, they just, like, list gods, like, their Pokemon cards. Like, oh, I've got Shiva.   Oh, I've got Artemis.   Hey.   Like, you Yeah.   No study in it whatsoever.   Yeah.   But, I'd say it's about 5050,   those two groups with a slight, you know, percentage of actual people that aren't,   in the don't fall in that category. So they're all basically anti biblical. So I don't see where they're probably at all. Plus,   he's a hard character to name as a champion.  

Like, he he's awful hard to listen to. His his, voice is a little offsetting.   And then if you then the giant tattoo on the side of his head and   then,   just the way he presents himself,   his movements, the way he kinda presents, It's kind of the shock and awe type thing. It's,   definitely like, if you've ever watched Holy Mountain, you know, where it's like, you know, kinda,   and it's just   hard to put that as, like, the face   of of your movement, I would I would think.   You know? Because, I mean, I think a lot of people are gonna be off put no matter what he says within, like,   one minute, they're gonna be completely off put by the by the dude himself.  



[00:40:07] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, it's,   again, he does look like he has been touched   by some   like, you've seen people, I'm sure, before   who who have been abducted by aliens   or they've seen a sasquatch   or they've they've had some experience that is out of their normal   daily routine,   and   it changes you energetically.   And he has this energy where you just feel like he has been changed   by what he has   read.   And I I believe   one of the things we discussed in the interview is that   if there's only 4 people on the planet who can translate these texts,   By doing the translation itself, you are actually by reading those words, you are waking those words up.  

So there's something   spiritually   or,   energetically   that has lied dormant, and then you have unearthed this thing   and somehow connected with the the writer   by reading those words,   I think there's some power,   in that symbiotic relationship. And I think that that's a result   of this energy that he has. Like, he's trying to   shove   2000 years of shit into a 5 pound bag. And, like, how do you do that?   How do you how do you do that and reconcile that and still have a job   and still act like going to the fucking grocery store is important?   Like, I'm sure it changes you.  

That would be my vote.  

[00:41:45] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I think you guys are giving me here somebody who's immersed   in this stuff. And that's   I think if if the same exact,   interview has been given the Jamie Jones episode,   boy, it's hard to get to that interview, and I will have to say it's not because of Aman.   If somebody else would have said those exact words, I think I would have taken them differently. If somebody was you know, had this sort of removed academic voice and demeanor, and they handled it in a sort of a cold, sterile way.   But he's   down and dirty, and, like,   he sounds like,   yeah. I don't know. Like like, he's  

[00:42:24] Unknown:

he's seen the underbelly. You know? And I I wasn't saying this critically.   Uh-huh. I was saying this as somebody you know, if I'm looking at it as,   basically a political   movement and that's what we're talking about and and and and picking a figure head   in that movement.   I'm not obviously I mean, look look at me. I'm not saying, oh, look at the evil tattooed up dude.   Yes. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying   I'm also,   like so   Marcus and I are kinda are getting ready to delve into the debate community.   There's,   if you look at conservative debaters,   you have   somebody like   Andrew Wilson. He's more like this gentleman we're talking about. Kinda shocking.  

He kinda rubs the wrong way. Kind of a harsh dude.   Then you have, what's that one that Christie's like so much? His name, Michael?   Michael Knowles. Michael Knowles because you know his name.   And,   Michael Knowles. Where Michael Knowles is is   extremely   eloquent,   Even when he's disagreeing with you or or,   speaking against what you are, you have this very genuine caring   feeling from the guy. He actually gets liberals extraordinarily.   He actually gets liberals   extraordinarily worked up, which I don't even understand.   For me, the guy's kind of a douche. But,   the the   you know, I mean, nice enough guy, obviously, well spoken,   kinda douchey, sits there, puffing his fancy cigar, drinking his fancy drink. Yeah. You know?  

I'm more like I'm more like Andrew. I'm more like this other fellow where I'm very outspoken,   little coarse,   but nobody's asking me to lead their be a figure head in their community where people are like, hey. Look at this guy.   Right.  

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Right.   Yeah. That makes sense.   I I think what is interesting   is that   not enough eyes have been on his work   for him to be,   to lead any   movement whatsoever.   And he's so not interested in making money from what he   has,   communicated with us. Like, he's not really trying to monetize the muse. That's not his   mode.   So,   I think   that's one of the things that I really respect is that   he could take this act on the road   and fucking make millions because it is so controversial.   And   I I think one of the things that I've kind of   an energy that I've picked up from the trans movement, because it is a movement,   is,   the more controversial,   the better.  

So,   he definitely could be a button pusher. And when I say that, I I'm saying that very much,   insert tongue and cheek. I don't think he wants to be the the the,   figurehead or the face of any movement.   But I think once people   when I say that,   what I mean is that once people read this work, what they're going to understand is that   maybe there's a part of history   that is includes   them in a way that they weren't anticipating.   Because the whole thing about   the trans movement is inclusion. We wanna be included.   Well,   if you are if you wanna be included,   then let's go back. Let's dial the the   scroll back and look and see where you fit in history. And if there is a place in history that   that   or   people that   have gender dysmorphia   for some   reason or the other, if that's always existed,   I agree with you   then that to the degree that it is being   manipulated   now   doesn't make sense   historically   from where   maybe these   rights or these mysteries or these people were engaged   2000 years ago.  

So   it could be 2 completely   different conversations. So a trans person   in, you know,   600 BC   may be different from a trans person in 2024.   And their needs are different, or their or their rights or how they are embraced by society may be different.   So I think that's an interesting thing to examine is   what are our biases   based   on what the culture is saying is the norm   compared to what we have experienced in our lives as being the norm?   So I've always known gay people.   You know, in the South,   there was always one aunt who wore overalls   and never married and always had a short haircut and,   you know, lived a very,   very specific kind of a life,   but never identified as being gay.  

Just was   asexual   or   or not fitting into what the culture said she needed to be. So I think these people have always existed,   to one degree or another. I think how we are   involved in this conversation   with kids is what is so informative   of where this goes in the future. Do I think a baby is born transgender?   No. And anyone who fucking says that   is   insane.   That's fucking insane.   So   I think there's different layers of this conversation where we're talking about what was   happening in antiquity   compared to what's happening on TikTok   or on Instagram right now?  



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In TikTok?  

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In TikTok.  

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I would I would actually even make the case that in all reality,   and I'm sorry, Mark, so I'll let you after I just want to throw this in quick. I would make the case that in all reality,   true   if   anomalous   transgenderism   or,   hermaphroditism   is actually gone down   where this kind of thing is actually more societal than it was   back then,   mostly due to some of the,   anomalies that we saw in humans that were prevalent in certain groups,   through dilution   has,   of genetics has made them less prevalent.   Things like, you know, lob the whole lobster hand thing. You look that up, that's an entire genetic line and through and because you're living in a small area, you're crossbreeding   Well, through heavier travel, we've diluted our genetic lines.  

So I would say most of the and and   more anomalous   because of that.   And I would state that any true   outside of the instances where they do say that there's sometimes there's a very   small window where a boy   in utero,   the mother will go through an extraordinarily traumatic experience.   And during the transition between,   basically a blank   and becoming fully into a buoy,   it will   back because of that shocking experience. But again, we're talking like 0.00,   you know, anomalous   type situations,   not today where it's actual whole percentages.  

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Mhmm. Right.   Do you think that it   and I'm curious what you all think about this.   I feel like I know what Chris thinks, but I'm just curious what you guys think. Do you think that   the answer is   to create   3rd spaces   or 4th spaces   for   people who,   identify   as a different gender from their birth gender?   Or do you think   that we should just bite the bullet and let people use the bathroom of the that they identify with?   Or   what? Like, what is the way to handle that?  

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It's a very personal issue. Someone's gotta go to the bathroom.   The nearest bathroom to their proximity is probably the bathroom that they're gonna use just out of practical purposes.   Now in terms of   the society having other concerns about public restrooms and that sort of thing, privacy,   that's where you get into different people wanting to legislate   differently.   I'd like to show you a chart here. I've been itching my finger to click it and show it. Hope you can see this.   Here, we've haven't looked at this in a while.   Do you guys remember this chart here?  

Oh, yeah. Talking about Unity. So this outer circle here mentions all of Unity. This is a chart created by   Isaac Bonowitz   who got his   some degree in magic,   theurgy,   that sort of thing.   So on this map, this outer circle is all of unity, and within that, he draws other circles   to sort of say, well,   here we go where we have this polarity. So part of unity within   within the unity circle, we have a smaller circle called polarity.   And part of the polarity circle   is sort of perturbated by this perversity here, which connects into a synchronicity,   which overlaps with the cause and effect.  

So this map, this diagram attempts to   show all of unity, all of reality,   and then with language,   names of power, invocation,   evocation, incantation, personification,   All of these things, all the stories   that we tell, the myths, the legends, the true falsehoods   are also part of this.   So we have polarity. We have synthesis. We have unity and the dynamic balance.   When we're talking about gender, are we talking about gender in terms of   what   the alchemists would talk about? Well, what does that even mean? If we're talking about the hermetic principles, if everything has gender hi, Balderson.   Everything has gender. Is that hermetic principle? Is that an alchemical principle? Is that a principle that man made up when he wrote it down saying   man, woman, male, female, this type of thing?  

Have you seen this chart before?  

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I haven't, and I think it's I think it's brilliant.   I would say there was probably in a   period in time where   gender was necessary   for,   you know, the the splitting   of duties   within the house and outside of the house in an maybe in a group in a agrarian   society or culture.   But I also think that there is   you all always have to look at, like, the marketing   aspect   of any   type any part of human existence.   So there's a lot of stuff you can market   toward gender.   And now there's even more stuff you can market toward gender confusion   or gender dysphoria.  

So I think that there are   part of this discussion always has to be who benefits   from   this narrative? Who is benefiting from people being confused?   Who is benefiting   from people being bifurcated   or fee feeling separated from each other.   And I think   part of the   mesmerism   that we call it right   now is this confusion,   this bifurcation   of,   those people who identify   with their birth gender   and people who are experiencing some gender dysphoria.   So what does that do? We create 2 different groups that then can splinter within those groups,   and then we benefit from that.  

You know, whoever the predatorial   overlords are benefit from that because we're not unified.   So there is no unity because your kink doesn't match my kink   or your gender identity doesn't match mine. So   now we don't really have anything to to,   be unified with or in.   So again,   I think part of my   exploration of this gender discussion   is, well, what has this done,   in my own life? How has this,   fragmented   my own relationships?   Because I'm experiencing   people in my life who are experiencing gender dysphoria? And   are my biases standing in the way of me actually   being close to this person   or,   feel that person feeling close to me.  

So,   again,   I'm looking at, like, what is the agenda,   the gender agenda?   Like, why is this   so prevalent right now in the conversation?   And I think it's way more nuanced   than   than we are really giving it cred not we   as a conversation here, but we as a society. I think it's more nuanced than we are giving it credit for. It's easy to go, this is my flag, this is where I stand, and there's no room to move.   But I think we all   realize that   things are not static.   So   today, maybe I'm   more   in my masculine   energy. I'm still a woman,   but today, maybe I feel more masculine. So   does that mean I'm more male today? No. That's it's not I don't I just don't think that it's as easy as that. I think we all have   these fluctuations   of   our maybe not our gender, but of how we express that.  



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So   first to the question that you asked the group   my for myself,   as far as the bathroom situation,   in this country anyways,   absolutely, I would never let   somebody that was born a male to go into the women's bathroom.   Never ever.   That sets up way too many circumstances   for predators.   We've seen,   predators, whether it's in a minor way where I would say, like, that Leah Thomas is a predator,   or, you know, the situations where there has been young girls who have been,   predated upon in the bathrooms by,   you know,   some of these people. Now does that mean that they're genuine people,   are a problem,   that, you know, again, extraordinarily   anomalous in my opinion, but, you know,   I I don't hold anything against them. Now when we're looking at it as a society,   the you don't base society   around an anomaly.  

You you don't do that. It's it's absolutely insanity.   And you but on the same token,   you don't   predate on the anomaly. So   the the   system needs   to allow them make an allotment for them,   but without,   making it so the society   is,   paying penalties for them.   Like, so that that that's insanity to me.   Now   as far as the rest,   we've entered in my opinion, an emperor wears no clothes   situation   in society.   And again, most of this societally driven   where,   a lot of these people are just doing this for attention.   Now,   also,   what we've had happen is is,   unfortunately,   the occult has been unleashed   onto the mainstream society.  

And, unfortunately,   there's a reason that there was always a difference between the exoteric and the esoteric.   Mhmm. And exoteric   was always for the majority.   It because the majority were not ready to understand things, and they still aren't,   unfortunately.   Now when it comes to,   alchemy,   that,   unfortunately, went through this twisting.   And part of the reason that these things can be said is because true alchemy was removed   from the from the equation in the 1800.   Mhmm. This is when they implemented   Jungian alchemy   where,   Carl Jung   and I'm not,   criticizing   or or,   you know,   going for or against his psychology,   but that's what it was, was psychology. In no way was it alchemy.  

And,   he himself was not an alchemist and did not practice alchemy.   And so when he made up his,   version of alchemy, that was him be if you even read his work, it's he looked through an alchemy book and was inspired by the pictures.   Right. Literally what happened. The dude, the dude thumbed through a book. It was an inspired by the pictures.   And then we're gonna claim he's a fucking alchemist now. Are you kidding me?   Like, oh, look, the pretty pictures.   You don't understand a thing about what the actual text said, but you like the pictures.   And so,   which again, I'm not criticizing his psychology.  

What I'm saying is it's not alchemy, and all the people claiming to be alchemists since then are not alchemists.   Now   as an actual   fucking practice   practicing   lab alchemists,   When I go, let's take a plant.   If I go take up a masculine plant, and I put it through the alchemical procedures   of great work, and I create the stone of lavender.   If lavender was a feminine plant when I started the procedure,   it's a feminine thing when I end.   Right.   Now   there is a masculine component and a feminine   component   inside of the plant. There's no doubt about that.   This   now we're having to understand macro verse and micro verse. So if I isolate out a 100 men   of that 100 men, while they're all men, there's gonna be some that are more feminine than others. Exactly.  

If I added in women,   pretty much all of the men are gonna be more masculine than the women. Where now that we've deleted this and isolated,   now we can make this   separation into, like,   thing again.   So,   yes, in and of itself, that has a masculine and feminine. That doesn't mean that through the alchemical process, you become neutered.   And that   and   that is something that was driven,   in my opinion,   by the Theosophical   Society and some other folks that   are really,   really some confused confused people.   And, unfortunately,   their work is old enough now   that through antiquity,   it gains,   traction.  

Yeah. I know. And,   where,   at the time,   actual funk actual practice   practicing alchemists thought they were nonsense.   And now 100 Jewish oh, this person is the expert. Oh, they were so cutting edge and blah blah. And and because it was a culted   and the vast majority of public didn't know well in the land of the blind, the one eyed man's king.   So   we we've got a bunch of highly profit highly   publicized people who didn't really know what they were talking about. And because of that, we now have a public   that doesn't really know what it's talking about. And you have some concepts   that are beautiful concepts and do hold true in nature   that are completely twisted and misunderstood   and spread everywhere, and everybody says them.  



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Yep.   Exaggerated. They become the poster situation for   being inclusive or having an open mind. Like, they that those groups of people became the   the thing like, the,   oh, what's the   word that I'm trying to look for? It became the penultimate,   epitome of that   crusade, I think. Yeah.  

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Well, I think there's a reason that these,   texts are not   available   for everyone   to   understand   and to translate. I think that there's a reason   why,   you know, he doctor Hillman said, like, I have these formulas   to make   specific,   drugs, but,   you know,   do you wanna put that on the fucking Internet? Like, do you want do you want someone in their basement   actually doing   some of these,   experiments?   Probably not.   So   the knowledge is for the elites or that it should be exclusive, that everyone doesn't have the right to it. But I think certain things land in people's laps   on purpose and not in other people's laps on purpose.  

So I think that there's a value   in understanding,   the that we don't maybe necessarily   understand   these ancient writings.   But I think there's it's also important   to respect   antiquity   and maybe to leave certain things   where they are.   Do I want   necessarily   a   a a, what was it? The purple?   The burning purple. Do I want purple. Yes. Do I want the burning purple being sold at a vape shop or a version in a   a synthesized   version of that to be sold? No.   Because I don't think that we   some people are sophisticated enough   to understand   why these things were happening.  

And I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. I think it's easy to look at something with a 20 24 lens   and look back and say, well, this was weird. Well, fuck yeah. It was weird. But I don't know the context of that because I wasn't there.   So I think context is really important I'm not when we're talking about,   understanding   and interpreting these tests.  

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Maybe we'll move into another allegorical figure here, that of the Marion   from the France diplomacy   website.   She's wearing this special hat,   and this is not in color here,   but it's a red hat   of the Republic. Liberty and Republic,   this Phrygian cap.   Mhmm.   So there's a lot going on in France then and now with the Olympics   using this symbol again of the cap, the friggin cap.   Have you seen that?   No.   I'll present that image here.   So they're running around in these bread caps. Cap  

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or   you   haven't seen that particular image?  

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I've never seen that particular image. That's amazing.  

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Wow.  

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So this is this like an example   of of something that looks like that cap? Cap as mascot.  

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Well,   it's a red triangle thing.   Gotcha. But now I'm telling you, this is representing   this Marion cap, this freaking cap.  

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Papa Smurf hat. Papa Smurf hat. Yeah. 2024.  

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Crazy.  

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Very interesting.  

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Wild.  

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Most silly  

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Very much reminds me of another movement where it was a weird looking cap,   and,   there was a lot of,   displayed   degeneracy,   at the forefront of the movement.   Very reminiscent  

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right now. Are you talking about the Shriners?  

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Pussy hats. Yeah.  

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Yeah. The pussy hats where it's it's   very interesting where,   just this along with this movement, there's just, like, with the pussy as they came out, we're the nasty girls.   You know? And they and they, the the degeneracy was pushed to the forefront,   and I I I find that fascinating and to see this again, and this is so reminiscent of it. And then the   the charades that, took place afterwards,   you know, through the Olympic ceremony in and of itself. It's just,   you know, you see that entire spirit of that same thing again, and it's interesting that they chose   a cap   as their symbolism.  

I I I I find that fascinating.  

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Different forms of transgression.   Rooster.  

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Yeah. So there's a lot of information   that we've got sitting around, and maybe we'll put some of it on the table to kinda connect some dots here with the Olympics having a large opening ceremony.   Part of that is the   Notre Dame Cathedral,   and that was restored. And that bell rang for the first time in   some 5 years since it it was just starting a fire.  

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Oh,  

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I knew. They had replaced that. Jim, what did we find about the replacement   spire?  

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The replacement spire is a rooster.   It's a golden rooster,   and inside the rooster is a time capsule with what is believed to be Jesus Christ's crown of thorns.   And the rooster is actually also a phoenix.  

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Wow.  

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Interesting.   Very interesting.   There used to be a rooster up there in the past,   a different rooster.  

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But it that's not the the Chinese New Year,   animal, is it? It's not the rooster this year, is it?  

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Do we know? I think it's a dragon. I believe it's wood dragon.  

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Oh, dragon.  

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Yeah. That was the name of your paraphernalia line,   wasn't it? Wood   dragon.  

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My my TS4   tag.  

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Yeah. Because do you know how the Chinese, every,   sign also has every you know, it goes through the different elements. So Yeah.   It's I think it's wood dragging this year, if I'm not mistaken.  

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I think I'm a wood monkey.  

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A monkey wood.  

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This is the image of the golden   cock.  

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Excuse me? Hi o.  

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Yeah. The the pontiff is pontificating   his actions.  

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What is he doing, though? Probing his head. Probing at the Yeah. Is that the where the giblet would be? Is that What's he doing? A core sample? Or I think he has the sacred dildo. I think he's he's got the medicated dildo.  

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He's right in the heart. Yeah. That's a strange place.  

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Oh god.  

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It doesn't look like a chicken to me. Doesn't look like a It's honestly right about where their gullet is.  

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You know, that area, you'll see it where they have,   their crop.   That's where their crop is, and that's if they   you'll see if they get sick, their crop sometimes will swell up right there. Uh-huh. It's It's approximately   in the crop area.   Weird.  

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It's like a dream. I mean,  

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technically, not too far behind that. If it is a rooster, it's the testes.   So,   roosters' testes are internal, and they have no penis.   And they have no penis, so, they have a a cloplia or something like that. Yeah. And they basically,   bump,   you know,   buttholes and spray out,   hormone spray that that's what's   fertilizing   the female. So the testes are actually internal on a  

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a for land birds, anyways, for water birds, they do have a penis, like, you know, duck They do a surgery and you can cut your, rooster open and do a little surgery in the side and take take those tattoos. No. You can't. Zips it up.  

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No. You can't. What about the castration of a cock? I didn't then I didn't realize that.   Before. What a strange,  

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slang term to have for your cock then. Like Yeah. Bumping buttholes is not a co equal reason I'm familiar with.   Don't need Yeah. Don't know that we need to expand further upon that before it collapses. Or feel like I feel like this this archbishop  

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is actually cleaning his papal bong. That's what it looks like or his papal pipe.  

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He's he's about to take a wicked bong rip. It could be a it could be a papal sex doll, though. He could just be clearly outside the God.  

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That's his fleshlight.  

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People fleshlight. We prefer the term term by pocket kitten  

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Woah. Around this branch.  

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I think that's his online. We can probably pocket pocket kitten.  

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Say a little screen name.   So it does say here, symbolizing   Notre Dame's rebirth, a golden rooster reimagined as a phoenix was returned to the top of the cathedral spire in December with religious relics, including pieces of what is said to be Jesus Christ, crown of thorns, placed in a time capsule inside the golden bird.   So they're suggesting that it's   a cock and a phoenix at the same time, a weather vane, a time capsule. It's multifunctional,   and now it's atop the spire at Notre Dame, and that   bell rung during the opening ceremony   of the Olympics   this year for the first time in some 5 years.  



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It's a symbol of a phoenix, which is a revolution.   Yeah. It's like the hat.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. How unmajestic  

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it looks. It looks like a Well, the the you see a lot of, Friesian cap in,   homunculus   type works too. So that's very interesting to me. And also the phoenix   is an l is   alchemy symbolism. So But, okay, literally, it rose from the ashes. They rose from the ashes. Yeah. No. Well, I'm curious whether they took what they did with the old figures. Did they put the figures that they removed just before the conveniently just before the fire? Did they go and put those back, or is it just this figure? I don't know if they could because the figures, they cut all their heads off. They're, like, 12 saints. They cut all the heads off of these bronze sculptures. These, like, you know, 100 of years old, these bronze sculptures.  

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Just they said it was so that they they can move them out.  

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But I I work with bronze art,   and you don't wanna you don't wanna cut the head off of something. Like, you'd have to repatina   the weld after you weld it back on and Exactly. To match the alloy of the bronze they were using. It would be very hard.  

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And Well, maybe if you're would look good. If you're cutting it off, it's because you're gonna put something inside of it.  

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It's your they're deheading this the saints.  

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Re re,   retrieving something that's caught inside of it.  

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Is Notre Dame Catholic or Protestant? I don't know.   It's Catholic? Oh, yeah. Catholics, everything's about reliquaries.   Everything's a fucking reliquary. If if in fact, if if a a alter does not have a reliquary in it, it's not even actually an altar. Like, that that's how they sanctify things.  

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Is that like a a sainted   sanctified baby bones?  

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Yeah. It's like a saint's bone, like a finger bone or, you know, whatever. I'm sure the the more   important places have bigger, better bones.   But,   yeah,   in all the actual   true altars   in a corner,   especially in Catholic, there's supposed to be a reliquary, and that's what's creating   that bone of that saint is carrying the sainthood, and that's what's making it a holy place and all this.  

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That's a lot of saint bones.   There's so many Catholic churches.   Like, there's no way that they didn't run out of saint bones,   and they   had to sanctify something   that was conveniently  

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a martyr. That might function as a true falsehood   where they found an imitation   of the nail that was used in the crucifixion,   and it represents the nail.   But through the miracle of the belief and the sanctity of the rituals and the belief of the congregation that it is the nail used to crucify Christ. They that's the relic that's the reliquary. That's Where is that in the altar?   Noble. What becomes a real thing?  

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Like, if they, like The in constant with an an egregore?  

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See, when you said nail, of course,   I'm still in the hermaphrodite,   and I thought you meant, like, an acrylic nail.   I was like, they found Jesus as acrylic nail. What do you fingernails of acrylic  

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nails. Exactly.  

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His Jesus press on nails.   No. No. No.  

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That's What's the best thing about a Jesus joke?   He forgives you for telling it.   Aw.  

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I like it.  

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Where's the big cane that comes?   No. I don't.  

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Have you guys I know I keep kind of circling back through She's really not getting a kickback from the any of these published books.   Have you guys seen this book?   This is my favorite   book of Genesis. The Arkram   book of Genesis.   It's wickedness.  

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He was a big thigh guy, wasn't he? He was a big thigh guy.  

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Riding on the backs of giant women. Yeah. Yeah. Strawing women. Yeah. Mhmm. So I think there's some of that in here. I don't know. Big bootyed eve. Yeah. Exactly.  

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Don't ever skip leg day.  

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Eve.   Eve.  

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It'd be a sin. I think it said so in the bible.   I  

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don't remember that.  

[01:18:52] Unknown:

I can see where,   some of this is gonna be in there because I've been   for a while thinking that   Christianity has seemed to me like a   a   movement that seems to be very to   me. And, the Abrahamic culture anyways is feminine, and most people a lot of people would try arguing that. But, well, it's the Judeo Christian branch for sure.   When you look at it there, you know, you you   genitally mutilate boys.   You, the   when you look at Jews, the, the bloodline is passed. It doesn't matter if your dad was a Jew or not, but if your mom was, you're a Jew. Yep.   And so, that's a that's a feminine,   culture.  

And, I've always thought that this was, kind a little bit of a twisting and,   regurgitating   of the Hellenic cults   of,   Greece. I've never been a I I myself am not a fan of Greece at all.   Have no use for it or the people. I think something about the water around the Mediterranean makes them nuts.   They should they should maybe,   move to somewhere without some poison water. I don't know what's going on here.   Yeah.   That region's full of some pretty nutty people.   But   I I've always thought this, so it's it's that's an interesting the way he's worded that.  

[01:20:29] Unknown:

Well, I think what I'm curious about is why Chris and I were talking about this yesterday.   Why the sudden resurgence   in doctor Hillman's work?   Because it's been quite a few years since   this book came out, and it now seems like all of a sudden,   this has all come   into people's consciousness, and their attention has seemed to be focused   in this way. And I'm just curious about why that is,   especially when what he's talking about   is,   a lot of the alchemy   is based in snake venoms.   And   the Christing   is the taking of these specific   drugs   by taking it within your eye.  

And the antichrist   is the antidote   to whatever the Christing is. So whatever you took that took you to this point of   death,   you then take the antidote   of that.   So energetically,   I just wonder,   like, what is the snake   energy that it now seems to be kind of bubbling to the surface?   Why now of all times in our history,   with all of this stuff that's going on energetically,   why are we now focused on the snake?   And this imagery   and maybe this form   of medicine?  

[01:21:57] Unknown:

I think I can take a stab at that.   After 2020,   that seems to have been,   an event that changed a lot of things, an apocalyptic   earth ending sort of event.   And through that,   wanting things to collapse, wanting things to   happen   quickly   so that Christ Jesus comes back with his rapture   and all of that connected to the story of the end times. So we get into what's known as the apocalypse of   John   at the end of the bible with the revelation   and whether or not he was on certain substances to have these visions. Mhmm. That's become kind of the playbook,   kind of the,   we wanna see this in our lifetime.  

Everyone has always wanted to see the end times Right. At their own lifetime. And now with the technology leading to transhumanism   and sort of the terminator   with the AI coming online, becoming   able to please humanity, that sort of thing. So this all comes together. The snake, the symbol of wisdom   in the first book of the bible, Genesis. You know, they're talking with the serpent. They're discovering that they're naked, and then they become a little bit of a different human when they start wearing clothing. So you can imagine putting clothing on. Is that in some way a transhumanist idea that now you're   more than a human wearing clothes because humans   evolved and they were doing fine without clothing,   but now they're required to wear clothing for this tribal thing. So it sort of begins in this way, and then it leads towards this   revelation, which is an apocalypse. The apocalypse   in our language are in our deal culted language is just an unveiling. It's revealing.  

So the revealing of the information   connecting   to WikiLeaks, the idea that there are secret documents   that are leaking out and being revealed at the end of time if we're at the end of time, and the Wiki WikiLeaks have been leaking out, creating a flood of information, but now maybe they've been sealed again, and maybe they've been deleted or not. Who knows? But we have this information available to us. And when Aman Hillman brings out this information   for such a time as this where maybe more people are receptive to it.   If you would have waited a few more years, it would have been too late.  

If you would have got this out earlier,   would have been too soon.  

[01:24:24] Unknown:

Yeah. It's interesting because he was on Forbidden Knowledge News last year,   and he was on Hiresight Chats in April.   And sometime in June, I think he was on Danny Jones'   show.   So   it's just like again, it's like we all seem to kind of pop our heads up   at specific things at specific moments. And it's just curious   because I remember I I remember the photos that you just   showed. I remember when those came out, and people were saying, oh, the snake and   evil and church and oh, and all could be true and all probably are true. But what what else? Like, what is the next level of that? What is what is the rationale behind that? Like, what is the magic that they're using?   And so that's what I'm   curious about.  



[01:25:19] Unknown:

Well, with the the snake poison, this is really, if you ever study it, just basic dark shamanism.   So, I mean, it doesn't necessarily   need to   be snake poison.   The entire   concept   is   represented in in Dune   where,   well, not   the Dune that almost everybody's aware of where it's just one movie, but when you get to, Children of Dune   where,   he,   the sun is captured   and they flood him with spice.   And that's supposed to make him go insane, but instead he transcends it. And then through that, now the spice doesn't affect him anymore. Now he's like this ultra bean. Yeah. And so   basic dark dark shamanism is the understanding that there's gonna be a a   tiny portion of humans that are capable of this.  

And so they will,   take children.   I don't know what the methodology   is for choosing them. One would assume that it's not willy nilly and that they've   decided,   you know, according to some   symbology   or some such thing.   But there's certain children that they believe   have a greater opportunity, I would assume, to accomplish the deed.   And they will just take these kids, and they will torture them and point them.   And it's not always with,   snake venom.   You know, there's numerous different ways. Like I said, if you start looking down the dark shamanism road,   and the I and it kills most of these kids or at least   breaks them,   and they know that going in. They know that you're they're gonna do that to the majority.  

But the idea is is then you get that one   near superhuman,   and and that person who helps the rest of us try and transcend society.   And so   it means to an end is the way they justify this. So it's it's it's actually not   that uncommon of a trope as people would think. Right.   You know? But you just gotta, you know, study these   really rough things.  

[01:27:43] Unknown:

So it could be similar to the jab in a sense   because   if there's an agenda   of   injecting everyone with some   formula   that is going to do something specifically   and people aren't gonna do that, then you maybe need to find different ways to get that   formula inside people.   So you put it in   airplane fumes or whatever you wanna do. However you want or supply, however you wanna eat food.   So I think that, again,   it's possible that this this dark art is being exercised and is being used.   I don't think we always know   necessarily   why because I don't think we are being treated as sovereign citizens. I don't think we are being treated   as individuals. We are being treated as, like, a collective   that we're being experimented   on. So   I think it's possible that   not like, oh, I'm giving you this medicine   understanding as you're saying, Benjamin, that some people will be able to live through this and some people will not. And those that live through it are the ones   that,   maybe have the right,   genetics or the right   connection with their their,   environment or whatever. I don't know what the reason is or what the ultimate end goal is.  

But I do think that there's a possibility that we don't   necessarily   understand,   everything that's happening as it's happening   in the especially in these types of,   situations where masses of people are being given   something.  

[01:29:35] Unknown:

Well, let's say the information is being delivered at warp speed.  

[01:29:42] Unknown:

I know. You guys say the same company that is   owns one company owns   the same pharmaceutical   companies delivering   said vaccines   And then also   conveniently   now owns,   the most giant database of genetics where people are freely   paying you to send in their genetics, and that same company owns both things.   Yep.  

[01:30:09] Unknown:

Good good point. You know, and I've always thought about that, Ben, and I've thought, are they looking for somebody?   Are they looking for someone specifically?   For some reason. And and the reason   why   they're they are attacking people's   narcissism   or their egotism by saying, don't you wanna know that you're related to this famous general or this, you know,   Queen Sheba or whatever, and the only way you're gonna find out is do this mouth swab.   Initially, when all of that started happening   10 years ago, I was like, they're looking for someone.   This is not accidental. This is a collection of data for sure, but it's   also we're looking for some   specific,   formula.  

There's somebody out there that they're trying to find because they were and   I I have rarely told this to people. They were sending these kits when I worked in Hollywood.   They were sending them to famous people for free.   Do this for free. We want your we want you to do this. And I was working for this guy, this actor,   and he go he came to me. He goes, do you think I should do this? I go, fuck no.   He's like, why not? I said, because then you have just co you've signed away your DNA to this company.   He's like, are you sure? I was like, read the fine print.   I know I'm just here to clean your house, but don't do that. Are you part of Madonna's DNA cleanup crew?  



[01:31:42] Unknown:

I mean, selling that service to celebrities to say, hey. We will follow behind your steps and wipe everything clean, and there'll be no trace of you left behind.  

[01:31:50] Unknown:

Lord.   My god.   Yeah. So I I think that there is some something to that.   But again,   do I know what they're looking for? Fuck no. I have no idea.   Do I know who they're looking for? No.   It's romantic to think, oh, it's the holy grail. They're looking for Jesus'   daughter or son or whatever. That's romantic.   But what if it's just like this one rogue reptile that they lost track   of? Chet from accounting. They can't find him.  

[01:32:28] Unknown:

We probably know him, though.  

[01:32:34] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes. Our buddies at BlackRock.  

[01:32:39] Unknown:

There's a lot of confusion and obfuscation involved with the process   in that little mechanical horse going down that river in Paris, France for the ceremony, the opening of the Olympics. That was   something that a lot of people had been talking about on social media and completely misunderstanding   it. They're describing it as a pale horse.   Going back to what the Bible describes as   a pale horse in the book of Revelation. The pale horse is not meant to be light skinned or white. It's pale as in decrepit, zombified, like dead,   green, and gangrenous.  

So it has to be   a sickly   dead zombie horse.   This thing was a chrome steel stallion,   not a pale horse. So we'll push back against that and say it's not a pale horse. It's representing something else.   And there's a lot of confusion in that, and people will argue what the symbol means, and they'll see what they wanna see. The next thing that people were really up in arms about   was this Last Supper   recreation.  

[01:33:44] Unknown:

Yep. I did hear I did hear,   Bill Cooper   spinning in his grave when he saw the the horse. And No one's read my book.  

[01:33:54] Unknown:

Referencing. I'm being called the pale horse. He was being he would flossing in his crib, wasn't he?  

[01:34:03] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean,  

[01:34:04] Unknown:

at this point, I have no fucking clue what to think about this. I mean,  

[01:34:09] Unknown:

is this an abomination,   or is this the real deal? Is this really what happened?   Like, was Jesus a drag queen?   Was he a hermaphrodite?   I don't know.   Is that blasphemy,   me just saying that? Probably.  

[01:34:46] Unknown:

Sure. There are other religions that were not   featured   in this, spectacle.   There were no parodies of Buddha or   Mohammed or others.   I think it's I think it's fat shaming, though. It might be. I think you're a fattest. Well, to say that this is her last supper, now you're depriving her of nutrients.  

[01:35:09] Unknown:

This is her last supper tonight.   Yes.   We don't know how Really,  

[01:35:18] Unknown:

very curious if these are even French people.   I'm not even kidding. This isn't a joke. No. That's true. So there's a   There's a troop that goes around. They're,   you know, this is, their gig, their, whatever.   And, they,   will go to different cities. They're hosted,   in different cities at different events. There there's a troop that goes around. I can't think of their name off the top of my head right now.   They   are down in the Bay Area quite a bit, get invited to quite a few events down in the Bay Area.   And I just wonder if it's them.   Whenever you see something so highly politically charged,   like, about a month ago,   the hometown where I, where I'm from,   there was a group of, guys out front of it where   waving,   swastika flags and wearing hoods and all this.  

And when I looked at it, and, of course, a bunch of the, the the,   you know, people from my town reposted it and, you know, losing their minds about it. And I and immediately when I looked at it, I said, are those people from there?   And and no none of them even asked that. So then I it took me all of, like, 4 minutes to track down the name of the group, where the group was located from.   The group was located out of Massachusetts, I believe. They're bust   in. Somebody's paying in order to make this political,   movement in order to do this agenda.  

One of the reasons that I even say that is is in outside of America,   the extraordinarily   fat people like that   are actually extraordinarily rare. In most places, they're they're they're still fairly healthy, still, you know,   they aren't anorexic, but they're at normal body weight being   £40,   £50   more than that overweight isn't a normal thing. And I look at this troop of people that's,   you know, led by a, you know, front and center of a horribly   obese person.   And that I'm just wondering if that's an American acting troupe that goes around and does these other shows also.   That totally makes sense. For sure. That absolutely makes sense.  



[01:37:41] Unknown:

Yeah. And I I think what is   obnoxious about it is that,   to me, it's not really representing   what the event is,   which is fine. That's your business. You do what you wanna do.   But,   again, I think it's going back to this thing of   of trying to be relevant   by being as obnoxiously   in your face as humanly possible.   Like, can you imagine the uproar   if that was a group of   people in blackface   or now a people   a group of people dressed in, like, indigenous   costumes that aren't indigenous people.   I just think that there's this level of   let's focus all of your energy and attention over here   and see how many people we can get   the we can use as batteries. Like, how many people are we gonna get engaged in this?  

And   for the most part, I don't think that it really matters ultimately.   Like, is that gonna make my life better to know   that that   those people are doing what they're doing? Like, I don't give a fuck. I really don't.   But I think it's interesting   that the symbology   is   consistently   being put into our our phase to see if we respond to it.   Like, is there a deadening or desensitization   that is the goal? Like, where we just don't care anymore?   Like, we're so confused that   that   men don't know what a real woman looks like,   and women don't know what a real man is supposed to act like? Is that the intention of this? Is that we have just   these inversions   or distortions of reality,   that becomes the norm of reality so that   anything is is on the table?  



[01:39:48] Unknown:

Well, that's the spectacle, and the spectacle is designed to be the most spectacular   thing. And with HD televisions and pausing or unwinding TiVo DVRs,   now we're at the point where people are   making it   their self appointed career to go frame by frame of every ceremony   to search for   the thing that they can post to their social media to say they're the 1st to found find it. They're further the expert on the topic, even if it's a well wardrobe malfunction. I don't know. It's blurred out. Is this a testicle? Is it not a testicle? Let's talk about it for the next 2 hours. Testicle or not.  

[01:40:29] Unknown:

Well, I mean, first of all,   is it a woman with a testicle?  

[01:40:38] Unknown:

Like question.  

[01:40:39] Unknown:

You know?   What like, what am what am I supposed to feel?   Tell me, TV. What am I supposed to feel right now? Is the am I supposed to feel included or excluded?   Am I part of this story, or am I not part of the story?   So, again, I think that's what this shit's all about.   It's just a giant   way for you to look into something and go, okay. Now my life has meaning because I've I have uncovered   this guy's testicle.   Like, now I'm the one. You're right. I'm cutting edge news. Like,   well, I don't know that that's the person I need to be.  

[01:41:21] Unknown:

Right?   So the the troop in America, I'm trying to see if it was possibly them. Yeah. Uh-huh. Troop in America that,   you can look it up,   if you,   wanna pull it up.   Marcus, it's called the Sisters of Perpetual   Indulgence.  

[01:41:40] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:41:43] Unknown:

And so   what's most,   disturbing about it for me   is so if these people were just the only thing they had going on was that they had   a different sexuality.   They truly just wanted to not be seen   to to to to   fit into society and be treated so normally   that nobody even really notices. If if that was at all,   what was going on? Would they behave in the fashions   that they are?   Absafuckinlutely   not. So so we already know these people are are are liars at best,   and and whether that's just   lying to themselves   or or lying with an agenda to the world,   it's hard to say. But   I'm gonna assume that, you know, I haven't looked into the whole Olympics thing because I don't give a fuck about   public spectacles like that. But I'm gonna just off top of my head,   assume that   it's some,   troop like this   Yep. That put on that display,   which just tells you that the the the people that we've elected and the people that they're that they're working with,   this is what they're about. And it's not representative   of the general public in any way, shape, or form.  

And   it's it's it's really gross.   But   I think that this was probably one of those troops. It's meant to be that shocking like that. It's very interesting to me that it's not just about, hey. Accept my sexuality.   It's let's throw in this giant dose of degeneracy   that absolutely, if you don't accept this   extreme degeneracy,   then you don't accept us. And that's   to the few that to the tiny   anomalous percentage.   Dude dressed up like a chick with his nuts hanging out like,   hey,   kids. What?   Yeah. You know, that guy is not one of them. That guy's a piece of shit. Yeah. And I I honestly feel   bad for the true,   tiny percentage that it is this is actually a thing for them. Well, I wanted to  

[01:44:12] Unknown:

I'm just gonna say we're the shop teacher with the huge tits too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what what I would say to that, Ben, is that  

[01:44:20] Unknown:

that guy is a predator, but he's also an opportunist.   Because what predators are is opportunists.   So what someone who has some mental health issue   that leads them to a paraphilia   that is on the predatory end, like, let's say, a flasher   or someone who wants to go and expose themselves or put themselves in an environment   that is not   a consistent environment with their gender.   A lot of from my perspective, a lot of that   is about, again, the repulsion.   It's the excitement of freaking someone out.   That's the sexual   paraphilia. That's where they're getting off. They're getting off on the horror that they're causing or the discomfort that they're causing.  

So I think there's some power in understanding that, and you can empower   women in those spaces   by not allowing that energy.   And I think even   the strongest   feminist,   3rd wave feminist advocate   for,   men, what identifies   women being in female spaces, even those women can feel when there's a predatory   energy   or an opportunity,   opportunistic   energy in those spaces.   So if a man is identifying as a woman   and he goes into a female locker room with a bunch of women and has an erection,   then the women in that space know that this person does not identify   truly   as a woman because he is getting   aroused by being around naked women.  

So   as a woman, it's my duty to protect women who can't necessarily protect themselves because they don't feel,   empowered or strong enough to do that.   And I'm more than happy   to   protect space.   I'm also more than willing   to   help that person with that mental illness because that form of sexual paraphilia is a mental illness to me, I'm   I'm willing to help that person out of that situation   for their own protection.   Because I think that's where the   the lines are being crossed now is that we see everyone as the enemy.   Even that that mentally ill person who's a predator,   we see that person as an enemy. Well, maybe that's what's continuing that   relationship is that there's no healthy boundary that's being set, and there's no one saying,   let me help you help yourself by getting the fuck out of here.  

And I think that that's what we need to be doing. That's the adult in the room in that situation   that's saying,   I hear what you're saying, but this is not where you need to be right now.   And so   those are uncomfortable conversations that a lot of people don't wanna get into   because they don't wanna be seen as bigoted   or phobic in any way.   But what I say to that is I'm not afraid of someone that identifies in a different gender than they're born   in.   What I'm concerned for   is how that's weaponized.   And that's what I want to avoid is the weaponization   of someone's   sexuality.  

And I think women,   one of the things that I would speak to, Ben, about these groups   is that women   a lot of women are responding   to the ritual objectification   that they have experienced their whole life   by pushing back against that and defeminizing   themselves and wearing men's clothes or not wearing makeup or doing things that are considered traditionally   feminine.   And men   in the inverse have now taken on that role   because they see that   they have the sexual excitement of putting on makeup or   having breasts or   feeling feminine.  

And so   I think that's where we have gotten confused   is understanding   what is at the seed of this?   Am am I helping someone get off sexually   by allowing them to be in this space?   And if I am, then I'm complicit   in this   sexual predator's   behavior.   I was on a bus once   in Los Angeles, and I saw this grown man rubbing   his   aroused   body   on a young girl on the bus.   And I fucking got up in this guy's face, and I said, I see what you're doing.   And that's all it took. He got out of the bus   and fucked off. Now did that prevent him from ever doing that again? No.   Did I did I stop him from hurting this person? Yeah.  

So I think that's the thing that we have to do being the adults in the room is we have to be advocates   for the people who can't stand up for themselves.   And sometimes it's going to be a really uncomfortable moment.   But I think that's the courage that we all have to have.   And sometimes that courage is gonna come from someone that's gay.   That's like, I'm not okay with a grown man being in   a woman's bathroom.   So, you know,   I think we have to we have to work   in concert with people who maybe   don't have the same   reality that we do.  



[01:50:11] Unknown:

I wonder if the metaphor   and the admittance of the Olympic swimming pool,   the, the Olympic team, the swimming swimmers, they all admitted   that they would just urinate in the pool,   that that was something that they would accept, they were used to, it was an open secret, everyone knew it, they could get away with it,   but if they were to pull the bathing suit aside and drop the deuce and leave a trail behind, that would be much more noticeable.   So if someone crashes the party and say, hey. Excuse me. Let's check the punch bowl. There's a turd in the punch bowl. Just letting everybody know, let's not,   let's not drink the turd from the punch bowl.  

That's what needs to happen. We need to recognize that there are people   intentionally   defecating in public spaces   and then   saying, you have to accept this. And these people know better. These people are in control of their bladders.   Totally. They are in control, but they choose to exercise their right to express themselves   in these ways that other people have found disgusting. So to be the person to say, this is disgusting behavior.   Well, are you now   because you brought up disgusting behavior because you got your hands dirty? Did you gotta clean up the mess and push back and say,   no. Not acceptable.  

Not acceptable.   It's it's bizarre that it's even got to the point   where people get attacked for saying, hey.   This is a public space. This is a public pool. Let's shower before we go in. Let's take care of our hygiene.   This is a basic thing that people understood   when civilization, society was working together.   They were agreeing   to build up roads,   walls, cities, keep things clean.   But now   and this goes to answer your question, why is this information being released now? Why is it the apocalypse? Why is it the end times? Why are people expecting a collapse? And if public defecation is a visible sign of   prolapse and collapse, well, yeah, that's that's a very visible thing.  

So it's not fun to be the guy to ring the bell and say,   we gotta clean this stuff up because this is our backyard.   We have to set higher expectations.   Yeah.  

[01:52:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I think   one of the things that was very powerful about the women's movement   that was the good thing was that women were saying,   there's a conversation that we need to be having with each other,   and we all want   maybe different things. So some women wanna stay home and raise their families, and there should be nothing wrong with that. Some women want to not do that.   I think   the mesmerism   or the magic that was put on women was you have to look a certain way   to be valid.   Like, to be a woman, you have to have a certain   body type or a certain attractiveness   to men. You have to that has to be, like, the icing on the cake of who you are as a person.  

So   if you take a man who's growing up witnessing   that and   thinking,   okay. Well, that's the kind of attention I want. Like, I want people to be noticing me sexually, and I I like to wear my hair up or to wear something soft.   So   what has now happened is that the objectification   of women   has now turned into the objectification of trans women. So trans women think to be a woman, you have to have breasts that look a certain way and ass that'll and hair that looks a certain way, and that's what it means to be a woman.   But the nuance   and the the,   just the the other pedestrian   perspective that that's what it takes to be a woman or that's what it is to be a woman is the thing that I think is so fucking insulting   that a lot of people don't talk about. Like, a lot of women don't say, are you fucking kidding me? You got a boob job and now you're a girl?  

Like, do you have any idea of the shit that's going on up here? Like, no.   So I I think that's the thing that   we as people need to push against and say, it's so much more to be a man   than just having a penis. It's so much more to to being a woman   than just these the sum of these parts.   It's so important   that we hold space   for our femininity   and our masculinity   as individuals.   But it's also really important that we're able to identify these things   and understand,   the the complexity of them.  

[01:55:05] Unknown:

That If, yeah, if everyone's carrying around a camera in their pocket, does that make everyone a photographer?   And if we give children cameras from the earliest age, as soon as they ask for 1, they get a camera that's connected to the Internet. So not only are they taking pictures,   but they're sharing pictures, and then they're getting instant   feedback   for the pictures.   But no one's explaining, well,   certain focal lengths   taken with different lenses on cameras   present different features,   exaggerating some, making things look thin or stand out. There's lighting, you can suck in your gut a little bit, you can pose in certain ways. So there's all this skill set that leads to portrait   photography.  

Now is that gonna upset all the painters and say, hey. What's going on here? A painting is the real deal. This photography   thing, it's not real.   The medium being the message, the message being the medium. What is it? This is the photograph,   the representation   of the ideal form. And if if a woman could take one good picture of herself,   does she ever need to take another picture again? If she reaches her ideal look, her ideal weight, her ideal,   can we just say, you did it. That's the photo. Put the camera away. Go live your life now. There is no end goal. It's this constant   wheel that's turning and turning and turning and turning and   turning. It's real exhausting. People are running out of a lot of energy going nowhere   going nowhere.  

Don't know where they're going,   but there's this mad rush in this direction, so they get caught up in the hype and they just follow the crowd.  

[01:56:42] Unknown:

That sounds like Samsara.   If anybody is familiar with that Buddhist concept. I haven't met her.   Where's our soundboard when we need it? Now sims are like a cycle of endless existence that just keeps going around in a circle   until   you sort of are able to see reality for what it is,   and then you get out of that spell. Sorta like being in a trance.  

[01:57:09] Unknown:

Hey. If we could put some ads in the Samsara,   we'd be billionaires.  

[01:57:15] Unknown:

Hey. I like the whole thing, JG.  

[01:57:19] Unknown:

No. It's the the  

[01:57:21] Unknown:

Product placement.  

[01:57:22] Unknown:

That's a sexy product to to Yeah. I don't know how to talk without a Ricola in my mouth.  

[01:57:29] Unknown:

So the problem with,   a society that's got no   real,   maturity and no real ability to nuance anything   Mhmm. Is when we do these movements,   we can't tell the difference between a predator and   somebody that's genuine.   And,   as as you said, the predators,   they always are gonna try and take advantage.   And then the   I would actually strongly disagree   with the way to treat the predators. I would treat the predators most, most harshly.   You,   you know, not that people can't change, but for but to recognize to not recognize that in society, there's and and in the world, period, that there's predators, there's prey,   there's,   you know, a few other things, but not many.  

Most people fall into one of these categories.   And so   what we've done is in in this society with with this,   extreme push for acceptances   is really taken out what what I would say then,   one of the only other things is is a sheepdog.   So if you got sheep that are definitely prey, you got wolves   that are definitely the predator, and then you got the and then you got the the LGD.   And that LGD,   what we've done is neutered that guy.   We've not we've not taken away the predators because we've we've given them   free run-in the fucking flock because they came in with a sheep outfit and we're like, well, you said you're a sheep, I guess, even though you have   big fangs   and don't look anything like a sheep and don't move or talk or anything like a sheep. And so I already stepped  

[01:59:18] Unknown:

your sheep. Here's my question. So here's my question.   Do you think   that because my   and I just recently said this to someone that my   perspective on a pedophile   is they just need to be taken around the back of the the house and put a bull in their head. Okay. So but here's my question,   And I believe that. But   what if   all that does,   it doesn't stop.   It doesn't call the herd.   It just drives those people   further down into their   hell realm that they're in. And it it makes them basically   more of a secret cell than they already are.   So to me,   when I hear the story of, like, the this this group being bust in with the hats and the fucking Nazi symbols and all this shit, the first thing I think is, like, okay. There's a conversation to be had here because these rabble rousers are coming in here,   and I would rather know that they're on the fucking street   than they're in somebody's basement plotting something.  

Because I can have a dialogue with somebody on the street. I can't   have a dialogue if they're hidden.   So that's where I get,   confused. Just like, what is the appropriate   action here? Do we kill every person who does something   against a child   that we deem inappropriate that's against the laws of nature? Do we just get rid of them?  

[02:00:50] Unknown:

Well I mean, it's not really against the laws of nature. So, I mean, that that that's a misstatement. I mean,   in nature, that kind of thing happens. It's it's all the time. So what it is is laws of man because we're higher than than we're we're we are supposed to be   above the animal instinct. The animal instinct being I can breed, That little being has become breedable. You know, this is only applying for   young girls that have reached puberty,   pre pubescent,   I don't even under I there's just that's a broken human in every every way. But the ones that are acting   in a manner from puberty,   to an age where we deem them capable of making an adult decision,   the ones that are predating that group,   they are actually   in nature. Because in nature,   you know, like, the other day, I had to go I spent   literally, like, 4 hours chasing my bulls around with a cattle prod,   because they broke into the young cat, the young heifer's   pen. They literally snapped the gate and ripped it off.  

And,   they were trying to get at them little heifers because that's what they do. They're like, them little heifers are going through heat, but they still need another year before they're even big enough to handle   what's coming.   And so I I you know, but that's what they were doing. That's what that's what happens in nature all the time. So we're   we're supposed to be   above   nature in our understandings of things. And the thing is is   with that,   when you start making a public acceptance,   is there ever been a scenario where public acceptance   made things go down?  

Now I I can point to a 100 scenarios where if you deal harshly, like, we can look at a lot of eastern cultures   where, let's say, they cut hands off for stealing. Well, their percentage of theft is tiny. Now don't get me wrong. There still might be in their secret little hearts wanting to steal, but as long as they're not doing it,   cool.   You can exist.   You get to do that without   offending the rest of society with these apparent things that we as a society have decided.   And when you take away   any type and and and as a parent, you start noticing this and and generationally,   we've noticed this where the idea that,   don't discipline children, basically, it's gotten to in any way, shape, or form. Well, we've seen where that's led. It's led to   really weak, really entitled,   kids without skills who are not actually more artistic or more eloquent or happier.  

For depression.   For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It it it's absolutely amazing. And and, lastly, I wanted to touch your point of feminism.   Now that you're out of college,   I I would like to put on you personally   that you go study the other side of this now.   And so I understand what you were taught in college.   I really do. Now go look at the other side.   And what you're gonna find is gonna be very shocking. You're gonna find things like the feminist movement was not driven by females at all. Oh, and it's a moment. And and actually the anti suffrage movement, the or the the anti feminist movement was entirely females.   And it   actually   some of the more shocking things are like the right to vote.  

They actually had to exclude women from the vote of the right to vote because if you included women, that was gonna fail. And it's not because these women felt   like they were, disempowered   or they were being forced to be homemakers   or or anything like that. Because   in that time period, you can find,   iconic women who lived against the grain.   Again, it's an anomaly because such a thing is is   by nature anomalous.   Mhmm. But those people existed and were able to rise to public to   public view. So they weren't being held back and and,   repressed.  

So what you're saying with the collapse of   the true understanding of mother or of womanhood   baked into that entire feminist movement   had to   be the cancellation   of everything that truly is feminine. Totally. And so   the the the very first thing being, and, obviously, there's an anomalous portion of women that are not capable of having a child, but the ability to bear a child   is is the the big factor here. This is, this is what's going on. There is, as an occultist, a magic that that only woman is able to embody   that literally is bringing a living being that's taking   dead matter.  

And that is,   and literally, there's a spark that happens when that sperm and that egg meet, and that spark is a separate thing from the sperm and egg. And only woman is able to house that, which there are women that can't have children. It does not make them   less woman, but we all understand that as a child,   you can tell a a kid that only ever seen labs, he knows another dog. Oh, that's a dog. He doesn't think a cat's a dog. Like, there's there's a essence, and only that person that was of that   nature right there carries that essence. And you they in order to   put   their agenda into play, they had to take away the recognition of that.  



[02:06:45] Unknown:

Absolutely.   And just to clarify,   I am a anti feminist. I was not someone who is born into that indoctrination.   My mother   was someone who very much saw   that whole infrastructure   be created at that time,   and she warned me against   all of that. And   I think the   the primary thing that I witnessed in my own childhood   was   not only making,   having   childbearing a burden,   making menstruation   considered a burden,   making cooking seeming a burden, making tending to a home seem a burden. All the things   that make a woman   really the totality   of,   the creator   taking all of those things away, stripping all of that away, and disempowering   those things   even from   men.  

So because you've injected the state into this conversation and now women are going into the workforce, I see exactly what you're saying. I think the point I was trying to make is part of the,   part of the magic spell that was being done to women at that time   was   you have to   monetize your sexuality   to be valid.   So on top of you gotta go out and work and bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan and all that shit,   you have to look great   doing all of it. So the idea like, think about   and I love to do this to people. Like, think about what your great grandmother looked like   and how your great grandmother dressed.  

Think about how your grandmother   dressed.   Now think of someone right now who is   20 years old, and they've got a grandmother,   and how that grandmother dresses.   I think   women have been sold this idea   that that how we present ourselves   is our superpower.   And all these other things that we do to create life   and home and family.   Those things are,   outmoded.   They're outdated. They're not important.   There's an app for that now. I don't need to cook in my house. I don't need any of that stuff. So I I think by making   those things not seem like a joy to do and a chore,   what we've done is   we've   taken what is the divine feminine,   and we've   castrated it because we've removed it from   the home. We've taken the heart of the home out, which is the kitchen.  

I I knew someone who actually did the the Carrie Bradshaw thing and stored shoes   in her oven.   And there was clothing and and shit in her cabinets. She never cooked because   that wasn't cool. It wasn't cool not to go out to eat 7 nights a week and and not be in a social scene.   So I think we're getting to this place now   where part of the spectrum of humanity   and of women of womanhood is   understanding   this majesty.   And I think that's what I'm curious about doctor Hillman's work,   is what is this gonna do for women?   Is waking the muse up going to be helpful to women? Is it gonna somehow,   empower them again to understand   that the magic that they have is way more   than just   looking good on an Instagram post or doing a TikTok dance? Like like, what is what what are we stirring up by stirring this energy up?  



[02:10:42] Unknown:

Well, the problem is is that   there has to be a recognition that women have always sold their sexuality to survive.   Yeah. So when and then it was, you know, before this particular movement,   it was to a husband.   And then   there's   we've had a brief period during this movement   where,   because   if we look in the in the American world anyways, this has been very short.   A lot of us have seen the majority of it throughout our lives as older   people.   And so we've seen a lot of the movement throughout our life.   Women figured out I don't really like fucking working.   It really kinda sucks.  

Being a dude   blows,   and then they also had to come to the recognition that there's a dishonesty in the   feminist rhetoric of the pay gap,   where the reason that there is a sex pay gap, and there is,   is because men do a lot of jobs that are horribly dangerous.   Exactly. Ordinarily physically rigorous. Totally. And require   a skill skill sets and that on top of all that. So you have to have the intelligence, like, let's take a lineman electrician.   Alignment electrician, if you look it up, is 99%   men. They can't ever list something as a 100% men,   but for all practical purposes,   it's a 100% men, which isn't to say that a woman lineman doesn't exist somewhere.  

You know? Yeah. But   these people are men. They're taking   wires   this fucking big around, which are damn near impossible to twist and turn and move.   And those things are full of juice,   So freaking full of juice that it will literally explode   the truck that you're in if you fuck up.   And girls just, they're like, I don't have the musculature   that would wear me out. I don't   have the the the   physical stupidity   that men have. You know? From   from birth, men regularly just put themselves in the most horrifying dangerous things, and we think that shit's fun.  

[02:13:03] Unknown:

Yeah.   Great. Great. Guys who work on oil rigs, that's another   example.  

[02:13:09] Unknown:

Yep.   No high mentoring chain.  

[02:13:13] Unknown:

Totally. Or guys working on fisheries, like working on fishing boats,   making $30   a month. You know? I totally   agree with you. Women are going into psychology   like this dummy right here.   They're not they're not chewing choosing these highly skilled   jobs necessarily   that are more high paying jobs And also women get more time off   than men do.   More paid time off. And that's that's never baked into that,   conversation.  

[02:13:47] Unknown:

100%.   If you're as an employer, when it comes raise   time, the employee who's   when the company needs them and they need somebody in a pinch, they need somebody regular, that's the person who gets the best raise. The person who, they had to have time off a bunch of times, You know, while you're not holding it against them, is that the person in your hand doling out the extra pay to?   No, not really either. And it doesn't matter whether that's a somebody that's a mother who's had to take time off for her kids or just a, an employee who's not particularly driven. You know? And it's a man. You're not gonna give the the extra money to that employee who doesn't give the extra to the company.   Like,   absolutely a complete factor of it. So we've through all of that, they've had to come to a recognition that   don't naturally make the money through that they would off of their own body, except for through   that sexual means.  

So now we have this newer revolution where we have wide swaths of these girls who are empowered girls.   And empowered means that they're selling their sexuality,   either in actual prostitution   in,   what's the jack the jack off-site with all the OnlyFans. OnlyFans.  

[02:15:08] Unknown:

You know, there's a one site? I think there's a few of them. You  

[02:15:13] Unknown:

know,   those type of things.   You know, or or even having their own website   and   having,   other clips on porn sites or whatever.   The the whole thing, they're still selling their sexuality. And what's   really interesting is is they these people are so,   never   actually have any self introspection.   And at no point did they go, hold on.   Was I told   that it's bad for me to sell my sexuality   to one person who's gonna provide for me, take care of me, even after I've not   been such a commodity sexually.   And is actually gonna continue taking care of me. And that's one dude And instead, now I have to same sell that same sexuality   to all the dudes.  

And once that actual   sexual value,   which as I get older, I'm gonna have to start doing more and more depraved things in order to try and hold the same value   until I eventually reach the point of no return where nobody cares how depraved I'm willing to get. They just don't want it. And,   now where's your value?   It's a bad, bad system with no forethought whatsoever,  

[02:16:35] Unknown:

And I I Okay. That's when you get into organ selling, like at that stage. That's when you're selling your spleen.   Yeah.   I know all that. And then it sounds like I'm joking. It sounds like I'm joking, but that's actually what's happening. Like, I think that's the slippery slope.   What is interesting is to me that what you're talking about is very much like getting a tattoo.   When I got my first tattoo at 19, I looked at my body and I said, Is this something that I'm gonna give a shit about   when I'm 50 or 60 years old? Is this tattoo gonna offend me? And I was like, you know what? It's not. It's a little moon. It's fine.   I think that some   women that you're talking about   are getting into the slippery slope of sex work   It's   this   instant   gratification,   instant   this   is   what's   It's this instant gratification,   instant   this is what's happening right now, and so that's what I'm gonna satisfy is this ego need. The id needs to be fed. So I think that's the thing   that needs the reflection   is what's the long term goal of this?  

Is the long term goal that I'm selling my liver on the black market, or do I actually wanna have a life or or a family?   When I got into   the sex work world, when I got into   any kind of a alternate   reality world,   there was no thought of   what's gonna happen in 30 years. My frontal lobe wasn't fully formed. Decision making wasn't there. I wasn't in a place   where I knew what the fuck I was doing,   but I was   occulted into thinking I I had control. So   I bought into the mesmerism   hook fucking line and sinker. And then And   then once I was in that prison, I was like, well, at least I can take notes. Like, at least I can observe what's happening in this hell realm. And so I think that I I   recognized what was happening, and I went with it. Where I think   somewhere along the lines,   that come to Jesus moment happens   and you go, I fucked up.  

And so   all you can do is disassociate   even further. You can just get further into that thing.   And what is so interesting, Ben, is that some women I've seen after they've been it's like they've been in prison,   then they find Jesus.   So now they've gone from this hypersexualized,   objectified person,   and now I'm hiding behind the cloak of Christianity   and religion, and that's my I've been saved.   And I think that there's a danger   in that. It's like quitting drinking, but I still smoke cigarettes constantly. You're not dealing with the real problem.   And I think as a society,   we have to   keep, our check on all of this. We have to be looking at this stuff and saying, what are we doing about that? How are we reinforcing   this shit? Are we reinforcing? Are we pushing back or speaking to it at all?  

And so   because we have teenagers, this is very much part of our conversation.   And, you know, consent   and   sexuality and who is what and what gender we you know? So this is very much part of our world right now that we're facing.   And what I'm learning is that the more I alienate our sons, the less information I have.   So it's really important that we have an open dialogue with our kids, and they know we love them, and we're open to hear what they've got to say.  

[02:20:38] Unknown:

Language is hard. There's a there's a language barrier.   And even when you have that moment where you said the,   come to Jesus moment, the perversity in our minds is thinking, wait a second.   Wait a second. Were they in front of the image of   what does that mean? So now you're confusing the message,   certainly, and there's humor there. Wanna bring up some art. Maybe we can talk about the art world and where that went wrong. This is the image of Emergen.   You familiar with this image? Of course.  

[02:21:10] Unknown:

I grew up in the seventies eighties.  

[02:21:14] Unknown:

Okay. I heard,  

[02:21:16] Unknown:

Maplethorpe.  

[02:21:18] Unknown:

This is,   yeah, from Andres Serrano   immersion in it's called Piss Christ from 1987.  

[02:21:25] Unknown:

Oh, I thought this was these people. I thought it was Robert Mapplethorpe.  

[02:21:29] Unknown:

Well, this was shared by Camille Apollia in one of her talks, glistening or something. I don't know how many books she has written. She talks too fast for my ears anyway.   But this image that an artist   created of a of a crucifix, a wooden crucifix figure with the Christ on it in a large pool, and then, of course, he relieved himself into this pool. Apparently, all the Olympic swimmers do the same thing. Not all of them take pictures of it,   but this is what art was like in 1987.  

[02:22:00] Unknown:

Mhmm.   Transgressive.  

[02:22:02] Unknown:

Yep.   I I guess I mixed it up with I thought this was a Mapplethorpe. I was mixing it up with his famous   photo   of the guy with the the, is it a writing crop   of his butt?  

[02:22:19] Unknown:

I don't know if you guys Don't look at me. I have no idea who that guy is. I I'm 99%  

[02:22:25] Unknown:

sure that Camille's a a guy.  

[02:22:28] Unknown:

Camille Padua is a woman.  

[02:22:31] Unknown:

Is a guy and was, is a is one of the first trannies,   that was public and was a is   more into political movement type things.   So that,   I believe that that person likes to do the shot. A little bit of shocking, actually,   less so than most in that bait who who like to be in that.  

[02:22:57] Unknown:

Camille Paglia, p a g l I a.   What do you know about Camille?  

[02:23:04] Unknown:

She wrote a book. She wrote the famous book. I I think it's called   babe, what's a Camille Paul his book called?   He's in the other room. That's the way he did.  

[02:23:17] Unknown:

Yeah. That's who I thought it was.  

[02:23:22] Unknown:

It's not the feminine mystique.  

[02:23:24] Unknown:

I wanna say it's the feminine mystique. Have you read some of her work? Would you recommend it? Is it something of value?  

[02:23:30] Unknown:

She's she's actually quite interesting. Is Camille Paglia's book The Feminine Mystique?  

[02:23:37] Unknown:

I think that is one of her books. Yeah.  

[02:23:40] Unknown:

Yeah. I think it's the.  

[02:23:43] Unknown:

I have a short lecture here. It's   you play a little bit of it. Take   it off. She gets into her little speech.  

[02:23:54] Unknown:

Yeah. Her art form in in in a way. We have all those in in spectacular   geography,   you know, in in the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, and so and so. Nature painting, you know, and and the and the celebration of nature have have always been very strong here. But the fine arts themselves, okay, have always   struggled. Now, with,   in this in my in my new book, I'd like I have this, like, you know, 3000 year,   passage going down from ancient He does not have it on multitudes either. Abstraction. That's funny. Right down to digital art. I end with George Lucas' revenge of the Sith in the in the in the last chapter. Right? And, and what and one and one of the things I'm actually trying to do, I'm I'm I'm trying to reach 2 different audiences. I'm attacking 2 different audiences. One is liberal and the other one is conservative. Okay. So   conservatives, I I I listen to a lot I'm a registered democrat. Okay. But I listen to a lot of talk radio. I adore,   AM radio as a populist medium. Okay? And I and I really regret that that so few liberal hosts have been able to thrive in that medium. Their medium is NPR. Okay? Which paradoxically, n NPR and the BBC, you know, are very leftist in their political orientation.  

But but the but the tone of both NPR and BBC is utterly genteel, haute bourgeois.   Okay? It's completely   mellow.   I love NPR here. Useful. If I have to do an NPR interview, I'd like to talk to myself for, like, a half hour, and I'd like to bring it down bring it down. Go slow and be don't don't don't throw them off.   Alright. Right. What's AM is this populous medium, very brash, very abrasive. Okay. It descends from the DJs of the 19 fifties. Okay? Who, like, was like would have these weird guys who was like, like, check out this platter. It's it's so there's kind of this barking vaudevillian sound, okay, to to AM radio. I find it very invigorating.   And also because there there are so many,   callers coming from all areas of, you know, social classes, working class. Okay? Voices aren't are calling in particularly sports radio. Okay? I mean, you hear people calling in, you know, from trucks, from construction projects, giving this, like, incredibly detailed analysis of everything that went wrong with the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line, you know, yesterday, like, a, b, c, d. It's incredible to hear to hear these voices. It's the only forum in in the United States that allows working class people just call in and and to express themselves. At any rate, I've been hearing on talk radio for the last 20 years,   political talk radio. A lot of people are gonna support art and artists. There was talk radio. And the reason is because it's coming from the stupid   controversies over religious of sacrilegious   art. Okay? That'd be we're going it's from the eighties nineties. Okay?  

Now, you know, my whole career is about about, you know, defending pornography and prostitution and and, you know, and everything. I'm I'm still staying with that. Okay? I'm I'm totally pro porn. Okay? But I thought that those sacrilegious   incidents were outrageous, okay, in the way that the art world the art world, okay, did not   the way the art world reacted with this insularity and this kind of snobbery, okay, automatically.   Okay. Oh, the others there's an there there's some sort of a controversy.   Yay. That means we're effingard. I mean, mean so do you have do you have this, like, you have this, like, 5th rate work. Okay? Andre Serrano's Piss Christ. There we go. How long are you gonna list it? Crucifix.  



[02:27:06] Unknown:

Submerged Teresa. Still listening to it? She mentions the Pissed Christ statue.   She talks about George Lucas's revenge of the Sith movie. So it seems modern, putting into context. She's talking about both sides, and then she brings up the point that   if art is seen to be transgressive, then somehow it's avant garde. So then it has   this ability to   inspire people to write about it and concern about it. So when we're looking at the Olympics, I'll bring her face down,   and we see what's going on with the Olympics, that's not a new thing. That's not a new idea to create avant garde religious iconography   that would offend some and empower others is sort of divisive thing. But then the question of, well, is it valuable   and to who is posed?  

And with our conversations, I it seems the the value of such spectacles and displays seems to be to those   in power.   They're using that as the propaganda, as a blunt force weapon to say, yeah, we're in power.   Here's what we're gonna show you on television.  

[02:28:13] Unknown:

You're gonna watch it. What are you gonna do about it? Or is it luch too? I mean, is it is it some   negative concoction   that is that is being harvested, this energy?   So, like, if it's divisive,   then it creates this certain frequency of energy, and maybe that's the frequency that they need to turn on the fucking hydrogen   collider or something. I don't know. Like, maybe there's a reason why we have to be   traumatized   every so often   or brought to this fever pitch. Maybe there's a a need for that, or or they see a need for that.   And that's why it's important not to get   engaged in that energy,   I think. I don't think it's valuable.  



[02:28:59] Unknown:

Are we desensitized   to this and there's younger audiences who haven't seen it before or seeing it for the first time when they're shocked by it? Is it for a young audience?   Who is it for?  

[02:29:12] Unknown:

It's a good question.  

[02:29:14] Unknown:

I think it's   it's like saying, like, in a in a s and m relationship, who's in power?   The person dominating or the person being dominated?   And I always say it's the observer.   So in that situation, it's the observer. It's whoever is observing the reaction is the ones in control.  

[02:29:45] Unknown:

Or or is the louch harvested from the people like us or of our ilk who try to poke holes in all of this stuff and find maybe the the what's in between the lines,   and it just goes above most people's heads   because they're not looking for it,   perhaps.   So it's truth or luge,   a fine specialty.  

[02:30:14] Unknown:

Truth or lose?  

[02:30:16] Unknown:

Sometimes   I I I do absolutely agree that the   prey is actually controlling the situation   equally to the predator.   That's an interesting,   thought that the observer is,   is, getting the most out of the dynamic. I mean, if the observer setting it up, probably for sure.   But as far as,   a lot of people would think that the prey is not controlling the situation, but I promise you, the minute you start acting like prey,   you'll see the predators   come out. You   created that reaction as much   as the,   predator did,   entirely. In fact,   when you look at, like, prey type animals, like irays, alpacas, which are absolutely a prey animal.  

Mhmm. A a true prey animal,   they can be very sick, and you have to be very intimate with those animals in order to notice it and have to be able to see super subtle signs   because a prey animal will hide that they're sick at all until they literally all of a sudden they're dead. You're like, they were fine this morning. That's because that's a prey animal. A true prey animal hides that it's got a problem.   So that way it doesn't become further, and a predator doesn't just appear just to take it out. Like like that. Like, it's like magic.   Yeah. You know, like, as soon as you as soon as this situation   this certain situation happens,   all of a sudden this other thing appears. It's it's just the way the world works.  

And,   so the prey is controlling the situation also.   And by make sending out the eat me signal,   something's gonna answer that signal, and   neither of them are really controlling. They're just being what they are at that point. Yeah. Sure. Exactly.  

[02:32:19] Unknown:

Yeah. I I think that there's no   the the difference between the human   and the animal in that context is that   humans are aware of their death in a different way than animals are.   So so I don't think an animal is,   mourning their death in the way that humans mourn   their own death. I think there's an awareness of protection   that you're talking about   that that is a shield from the predatory world.   But my god, I can't believe I just to to break this moment. I can't believe we've been on for over 2 and a half hours. This has been really lovely. Like, I really love you guys, and thank you so much.   We appreciate it. Are you okay if we wrap up? Because it's 11   35 ish here,   and we would love to  

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I gotta take my   Yes. To stay for at both a couple hours. You, we all we have some that, you know, we've had some that actually stay all night. Like but,   we only expect a couple hours   out of the guests. And I was just gonna say in response   that I wasn't just talking about in the life and death situation.   Even in,   the   nonlife, just an interaction,   if you act like prey,   a predator is gonna show up, and that happens in every single way. If you   if if you,   at least act like you're gonna fight like chickens interacting with each other. The smallest chicken in the yard, the biggest one that runs around and bullies people, if that smallest one sticks his chest out, it's like, yeah, I wanna fight dude. Then that big one leaves that one alone. It goes and finds and one that wants to   that wants to beat cats are just crawling all over me. Right.  

That one that wants to be predated on. And that one is, again, asking for that,   you know, which it seems horrible, but there's a there's a predator prey dynamic where both those 2 are involved in it.   But   that that applies to almost every scenario whether it's,   emotionally   or,   you know, just on the school yard,   whatever. But, yeah, this has been an absolutely   amazing talk.   Thank you too for coming in. Absolutely. Great. For your help.  

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Yeah.  

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It's been awesome. Talking about. Heard you guys got a website.  

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Oh, you know,   word on the street.   Yeah. The website.   It's a pretty snazzy one.   It does what it needs to do.   Do we wanna tell people about it? Sure.  

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If you can't see it on the screen, I guess the website address For some listeners.  

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The meltpodcast.net   is our web address, and you could pretty much get to everything that we do from there. So Yeah.   Yes. If you'd like to go there, we encourage it.  

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And if anyone wants,   the chemical muse, please feel free to email me. It's hunter hyphen muse atprotonmail.com.   And I will be more than happy to send you the PDF,   because I do think it's important. I think your audience   is definitely mature enough   to handle,   the content, and I am   more than happy to share the information   with you guys.  

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Well, thank you.  

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Yeah. Thank you so much for your help. Yes. We send you many, many blessings.  

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Thank you all.  

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Right back at you.  

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Ta ta.  

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Thanks for coming. Good night, guys.  

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Just wanna keep talking. There's more   on the web to explore.   Websites, man.  

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So much more.   I love their logo.  

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Yeah. It's great. Very cool.  

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Very cool.  

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Did you have anything else you wanted to get in there?  

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On that particular subject?  

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On anything that we began to explore a little bit, poke around at.   I know we explored the Olympics a little bit. That's such a recent event. I think a lot of people will probably talk about it on their social media and other programs.  

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Yeah. That  

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Wanted to mention the rooster thing. That was   that's a little detail that many people might have missed.  

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The pale horse thing, I think that that could be expanded on a little bit because   I think people don't understand that at some point in time. So what the actual color of that it's   it's a mistranslation   that they made it into pale,   it's actually the color of it's a green color,   but   specifically a gang greenish color. Like, a rotting   flesh   color, dead rotting flesh, and and he was deaf.   You know? So it wasn't so majestic and beautiful   as they tried to make it when they made that translation   in those in that translation, like,   so so often happens in between,   for whatever reason, our culture has gotten softer and softer. Like, when we were doing, the Wednesday shows, which included art and reading books, I'm not a particularly artistic person.  

So,   I would read books.   And one of the things I was reading was, Russian,   folk tales, and I can't remember if the book was from the 1700 or the 1500.   Real book.   But,   when you look at that, these fairy tales that they thought were acceptable to teach kids back then,   they were downright   disturbing.   Like,   wow.   Night   to   think   about   it   now.  

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Yeah.   Yeah,   girl.  

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Like, you want your kid to fucking wake up screaming fucking all night? Yeah. No. So,   the   society's gotten softer and softer throughout time.   And this was part of it. At some point,   they thought that, you know, they switched it to a more majestic sounding thing because that sounded better   than   a gangrenous,   colored horse   and rider and, you know, it's more palatable for people.  

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We hold the corpse of a dead horse   trotting towards you as his flesh is falling off his bones.   So then the same ring to it.  

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Yeah. It doesn't.   It   definitely   is.   And this is where I do have   a a a few questions about. Did   did I don't I don't know the guy, so this claim didn't I didn't hear him make that claim, and maybe she's mistaken about the claim that he made, but only 4 people can read and translate this.   The gangrenous thing I learned when I was very young because my mom's a Christian,   and she was going through Greek   ancient Greek texts. And there's even back then, you could you guys stay away from electronics.   And even back then,   you could get   transliterations,   which more   word for word,   was the story, and then you could get ones that had, like,   yeah, context to it, which I remember my mom was very interested in this one story because these two women   got into this fight and they kept stealing this plant from each other, and they were really vicious about this fight, like, where one of the women, like, almost killed the other woman.  

And then which it wouldn't make much sense if you read it in today's context   without understanding,   without putting in the understanding that whichever woman had that got the sexual rights. So she was the one that was gonna be able to bear the children.   And,   so   that's why she needed to have that plant. Well, without that knowledge,   some of it doesn't translate over. Or I remember my mom made a big deal out of, like,   there's some passage in,   normal English where it's like he he keeps asking,   the Jesus keeps asking 1 of the dudes, do you love me? And he says, yes. I love you back. Do you love me? Yes. I love you. And the passage doesn't make a lot of sense. But in the original Greek, because there's numerous words for love,   he was saying one word and the other dude was saying another word   where,   again, you would have to make this like like, Marcus was saying with what he just did,   on the, you know, the horse of color of death with the skin rotting off blah blah. You would have to say, oh, well, he was saying,   I think the general idea behind it was is Jesus saying, do you love me in this unconditional manner?  

Like, as a god maybe?   And he was saying back to him, I love you like a brother.   And I think sexual, like,   Eros was one of them.   And I there was I I can't remember it, but this is something that   isn't,   like,   the this isn't the first person I've heard do yeah. Agape.   This is the first person I've heard talking about these subjects and delving into this. So him saying that well, again, I don't know that he ever if he made that claim, maybe she misunderstood.  

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But We're talking maybe euphemisms   and innuendo   and layers of poetry and meaning   that could be argued over. So then in the translation of the text,   we're talking maybe the actual papyrus that Greek texts are written on, whether they're stored in museums, temperature controlled environments, and these types of things.   Access to those documents are not maybe available to everyone.   You might have to prove   through your philological   skills, through degrees and earnings that you have the competency to look at the original documents   to then begin to work on translating them.  

There are bibles that are available online, Amazon, Zonervan, wherever you go to find a bible   with concordances   and footnotes and all these things.   That's one thing. There are documents that are not available to the public. They're probably not on archive.org or anything   yet that   very few have access to. I think that's what he's talking about. Jeffrey just pulled the shit up on a little,  

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translation   program that just print. Yeah. No. Just just does it right there. Yes. Yeah. Translations  

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in software   using computer AI to   it's called the optical character recognition, the OCR. So once you scan the sheet of paper or papyrus,   the computer will then try to recognize the symbols to translate it to a font so it becomes a text file.   And when we were doing the CAPTCHAs, you know, to confirm that you're a human, what is this letter? And you type in a captcha   to bypass the security thing.   Well, that's what Google Books was doing when they were scanning all of these books to build their Google Books library Yay. Up all these documents. So   humans were assisting   in recognizing   characters. Is that a t or an h or a j?  

And then consensus because 100 of people saw that same character,   then the consensus says, well, we agree that this is a capital   j. So then they move on. They'll add it to the document. And then once they have the document, well, computers have assisted them.   Now you can get into humans   going and reading the document. So there's all sorts of issues with,   well, was it a translated document? Is it an impartial a partial document? Do they have the full page of the text?   This type of thing. There's a whole   college department dedicated to arguing back and forth over these issues and publishing their findings and then taking them back and then reexamining,   you know, the gospels of first four books of the new testament. That stuff is argued back and forth and back and forth, and then they bring in, well, there were some,   pots, some sealed clay pots that we found in caves somewhere. So now let's bring those out. Well, where were those a 100 years ago? Where were those 200 years ago? In a cave somewhere. Well, can we verify the authenticity   of these documents? And then you got people that intentionally   will forge documents.  

Not all of them are Mormons.  

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Most of them are.  

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Maybe.  

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You know, I don't think they were the only forgers. They may be the only ones who dressed up as natives to kill other people to keep them away.  

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So   we have the idea that forgery is a more modern invention   or that innuendo   and sexual jokes and these types of things are a modern thing. Well,   what do we know? What do we know?   But in terms of the medium being the message, and if the message is delivered   by a guy that sounds like Iago in Aladdin,   very breathy, has a certain strain   voice, and then you're listening to him and, you know, who's the guy who played that parrot in Aladdin?   He was on Up All Night with Rhonda Shear,   the actor guy who did the voice. Oh,   what's his name? It's a Gilbert or something? Gilbert Godfrey. Gilbert Godfrey. So then if you're hearing Gilbert Godfrey read to you the book of Revelation   and you're laughing through the entire thing, it's a completely different  

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feeling and mood and vibe if Gilbert Godfrey is reading to you. Is that a real thing? Because I might have to list hear that.  

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Well, with AI voices in 11 Labs, I'm sure someone could go ahead and clone Gilbert Godfrey's voice and then have him text the speech to Yeah. Of revelation. Gilbert Gilbert Godfrey would put emphasis. Would they understand  

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which words   to put emphasis on   and whatnot?   God, one of the funniest things   my, my ex wife, her her mom's name was Deborah,   and I could I just despised her.   And freaking,   her and her her and her husband were just such assholes,   And I used to call her Deborah.   And then Gilbert got   this whole thing where he was on the phone. He was doing, like, a call in show,   and this one person was being it it was being ear   irritating.   So Gilbert Godfrey starts going, Deborah.   She sucks the soul right out of the conversation.  

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Deborah.  

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It just like and he just keeps going on and on until this   it's just like, she's gotta be miserable.   Like, it was so hilarious.   Love you, Abby.  

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And that's kinda where Camellia Polio was saying, you know, excuse her voice and the way she presents the message. She brings up the point that on NPR, they have a certain sound, and you know you're listening to public radio because they sound   like this   versus AM radio with Rush Limbaugh shock jocks   talking about baloney and, you know, low   class stuff on talk radio.   They might be saying the same message.   Which one are you gonna be more receptive to? And if certain audience hears words pronounced a certain way with a certain cadence,   sort of a head voice, sort of a haughty, tauty voice, well, then maybe it sounds better. Maybe it sounds wealthier. Maybe it sounds higher class, and maybe that's the group that you wanna join so you can imitate that. And then if that further divides between the people that   listen to country music and they spitting up spittoon and they drive a truck and they listen to Kid Rock and they're they're out there they're out there in the country, living the country life, sort of the stereotype of the country bumpkin   versus the educated   university professor who lives in the cosmopolitan   city,   who has never lived in the real world, only lived in ivory tower, but we claim they're the experts   on all the topics.  



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Yeah.   Those platoons in those ivory towers.  

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It's a long way down from the ivory tower to spit in the spittoon at ground level.  

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Ding.   And you really shouldn't spit over the edge of things. Last time I did that,   honestly thought that music was coming from the fucking radio somewhere. It was really excellent. And I spit over the edge of this railing right onto the dude that was playing guitar. Playing guitar.   Oh. You didn't even know he was down there or that there was somebody playing guitar. I thought this was, like, because he had it, you know, plugged in over speakers and shit, and he was so good. It sounded just like, you know, something on a radio or something. And I Oh, sweet. And I'll send the music stops. He goes   like, dude, he's he's a very passive dude, so he's not even mad. I don't know. He's just like, oh, like puppy dog but her like, did you just spit on me? I'm like, oh, fuck.  

Oh, I am so sorry, dude. Shit.  

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That's rough.   That's what you put your hat your hat upside down for   donations, not spit.  

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Oh, man. I was so fucking  

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oh, man. I was like, oh, god.  

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Yeah. That's pretty rough.   Always welcome for your spit.  

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Yeah.  

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From your ivory tower. From your ivory tower.  

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Some  

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great comments.  

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6 out of 13. It's a testicle spectacle.  

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6 out of 13 mental patients or gender identity issues.  

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Guys haven't heard the Jerry Murzynski episodes? We've done 2 of them.   I have to repost those so you guys can find them more easily.  

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I've only done  

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1.  

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Oh, we'll have to ask them back, so you can do 2.  

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Oh, yeah. Then you'll then you'll be on 3, and you'll say we've done 3, but I won't have them 3.  

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They'll have it back again.  

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That's 2. That's 3. That's 23. Happy may maybe day to those who celebrate.   July 23rd was a pretty significant day   for some people.  

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What happened?  

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It's another story for another stream, for another pool.  

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Was that Tuesday?  

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I think it was was it Tuesday?  

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What happens on Tuesdays?   Tuesday nights.  

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Oh, yeah. What happens on Tuesdays?  

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Oh, yeah. The deliberating   dog faced dudes trying to have   intelligent conversations about relevant topics in today's world.  

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That sounds like a fun time.   What time is fun time start?  

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7 o'clock on   Pacific on Tuesdays,   and it's it's absolutely been a gas. And I'm really looking forward to,   more of it. I try not to drag   outside of what maybe is going on that's relevant today. Try not to drag some of these subjects   over into the spiders with the, where we talk more cult and stuff, but I am glad to   talk someplace and have these conversations. And,   where   in the conspiracy world, having disagreements   is not well received.   And   I I enjoy   the spirit like tonight, where,   her and I through discussion found we were mostly on the same page almost every time. You know? But this is after,   very mature   and nuanced discussion,   where, you know, neither of us is trying to shit on each other or get a gotcha or anything.  

And and don't get me wrong, I'm sure there will be debates where that happens. But for the most part, I I there's a bunch of positions and and   many of you know that I've been developing my own,   cosmology,   and I have,   some very interesting world views.   And it's easy enough to hold any world view. But if you've never had anybody poke at it,   how good is it? And so, you know, I'm very interested in,   having some of my world views poked at   and having some vigorous,   debates,   and,   discussions about it. I'm excited to poke at other world views with mine   and see how they hold up.  

I am very interested in it seems like again, they always wanna give you this,   dichotomy where   you can have one choice or another. So you can either be   red pill.   You,   totally degrade women. You're just a pussy hound. You know? You're or or you're also an incel who wishes he was,   you know, or you're this   absolute   right wing conservative   biblical. You comb your hair. You part it from right here. There's a perfect line. You keep it combed over just like that, and you attend church and things like that.   And there needs to be   more nuance brought to it, and I feel like,   the group that we've gotten together, we got   a a guy who actually grew up with, Jared there, John Roland and then Marcus and I, and I I think we're a very diverse group. And then   when Jim gets time and his,   anybody that missed it, his, announcement of a little gym baking in the oven over there. So we're gonna have us a little gym  

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to Jim or Rachel?  

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Yep.   And,   oh, the oh, yeah. The oven's name is Rachel. That's right. That's   right. Eric, and I can't. I joke. We know I love Rachel. She's the best.   But,   so his his time is very precious and limited currently   as he prepares to embark on that journey.  

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You said bark?  

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Bark. Yeah. Bark.   Woof.   It was a full moon that night. Jim was a howling.   He's he's a dog face, dude. He's just he's just that got much time right now.  

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Yeah. It's definitely a great a great stream.   Can't wait till next Tuesday.   It will be good.   It shall be good.  

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Yes. Proclaim it.  

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It has been proclaimed.  

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And,   exciting news for everybody. We have confirmed the gentleman,   Christopher   I wanna make sure I don't mess up.   I I'm pretty sure I know what his name is, but just in case I fuck this   Macintosh.   Just wanted to make sure.   Hey, Christopher Macintosh, the author of Cult Germany, which is what we're gonna discuss. He also wrote a Cult Russia.   We're gonna have him JD.   We're we're gonna have him. So he's gonna come August 10th.   So that's gonna be absolutely great.   Really looking forward to that. And,   as always, everybody knows,   September fest is coming up.  

Looking absolutely forward to that. Marcus and I will be, representing the spiders.   And,   maybe,   Jim, that when I said originally it was gonna be me, just Marcus and I, that's the thing I wasn't able to tell everybody. That's why Jim and Rachel couldn't commit necessarily. They're like, yeah, maybe.   And so, Marcus so they they might be, too baby made, too into the   hard to trap with the baby like that when you're pregnant and trying to get ready and all those kind of things. So,  

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Take our muffin in the oven.  

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Yep. Yep. So Marcus and I will definitely   be there and representing.   We're gonna be doing some actual live alchemy,   so you can see it in person.   And   the full intention is is,   I plan on doing a a fresh frozen   extraction   so people can get the understanding of what I'm talking about and the differences where I view differences in alchemy as opposed to some of the things that classically they've been they've only been able to work with and see.   So these are part of the reasons for my differences and understandings,   and we're gonna be doing those things live. And unless you see it in front of your face,   like, I   I plan on getting some quality dry material like a lavender.  

I'm not sure that lavender grows in that area. I'm gonna get a hold of Karen and ask her what type of herb or medicinal plant material   is available locally,   live, fresh   in that area,   and then get a lot a cured, dried version of it. And we will do an extraction on both,   And you can see the difference in the life energy,   in that extraction and the things that I'm talking about where it actually literally looks like it's neon and it's glowing   with life when you've done that fresh frozen on a live material   as opposed to even one that's been well taken care of and cured.  

Anyways, all these things right in front of your face.   We're gonna be on 55 acres. I so wish Jim and Rachel could be there because this one is gonna be so awesome.   We're gonna be able to camp.   You can be bring pets,   obviously, if they behave and, like, I'm not gonna be able to bring all my cats, you know, obviously.   I don't know. There's a bunch of cats. But,   you know,   you're,   able to camp.   It,   where before you're inside a building the last couple of years, you're in a Shriner building.   You've got to limit some of the things you can do. I obviously couldn't do an alchemy experiment because that's the church of fire, and nobody likes it when you light a big old fire right inside their building.   But outdoors, we can do some real crazy experiments.  

We can,   yeah. Yeah. No no no pussy of that kind anyways for me.   Although I'm crawling with it over here. Holy shit. Just throwing it off of me.  

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Yeah.   But,  

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but,   that we can do live experiments. We can party a little harder than normal or, you know, you can, you know, in the after hours event. There's gonna be a single Saturday, I'm gonna be a single Saturday, I'm gonna be a entire single mingle, I'm gonna be a   party,   all by itself.   We're auctioning off Marcus. Do we bring Pringles?   Yeah. You can bring Pringles to the Singles, Mingles. If you're gonna talk to church with Marcus,   highly recommended to bring Recolas.   If he tries to wander off, you just shake the Recola bag and he'll come back.   Yeah. You just do that, and he'll he'll turn and he'll follow. It doesn't even matter what what's going on. He'll just turn and follow. I won't tell you my favorite flavor of Pringles. We'll have to discover that together if that's  

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what you're into.  

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But, yeah, please join Marcus and I, Tuesday,   and,   at 7 and, deliberating dog face dudes. Please join   all of us, and we're still crossing our fingers that Jim and Rachel can make it. We're just not making that promise because   that's a bad promise to make because we can't be   there's more important things going on for them.  

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We're definitely gonna try,  

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and all you guys out there listening should definitely try to get out there.   Gonna be awesome.  

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Oh, man. It's this is gonna be the the coolest thing since their wedding.   The   absolutely.   Not saying it's cooler than their wedding, but the coolest thing since. But, yeah, this is gonna be absolutely awesome. Everybody come by.   We love you guys.  

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So until then, until next Tuesday, you live in your mind.   Saturday. Tuesday.   Saturday.