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#wsw 256 Golden Chariots, bricks meet dozer

Streamed live on Saturday June 8, 2024



Journey Through Memories and Plans
Exploring Diverse Conversations
Unveiling Societal Influences and Historical Narratives
Navigating Cultural Themes and Personal Reflections
Artistic Expressions and Digital Interactions



In this episode, we delve into a wide array of topics ranging from personal anecdotes to discussions about different vehicles, experiences at Niagara Falls, and artistic projects. Join us as we engage in casual conversations, sharing memories and plans for the future. 

Our conversation takes us on a journey through travel experiences, camping adventures, music, photography, vegan food delights, encounters with mushrooms, alpacas, and reflections on mental health. We also touch on the world of celebrities, Hollywood scandals, actors, leadership, and the entertainment industry. 

Exploring further, we discuss political commercials, past presidents, the decline in birth rates, the impact of technology on society, education systems, and societal changes over time. Our dialogue delves into historical events, societal norms, and the influence of different systems on human behavior and society. 

As the conversation unfolds, we cover a wide range of topics including historical events, societal issues, personal experiences, and philosophical discussions. Themes such as cultural decline, societal control, historical injustices, and personal anecdotes are explored. We touch on the impact of media, body image, self-control, and the manipulation of public opinion. 

Lastly, we engage in discussions on art, AI, social media, and personal experiences. Our conversation delves into corporate policies, advertising, and artistic expression, mentioning specific artworks and interactions with platforms like Etsy and Instagram.

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Gladly.   Wish they made one of those for my ex wife.  

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She sounds wonderful.  

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I I said x, not current wife. I would never need to mute Christie. She's the one. Don't mute Christie.   No.  

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Oops. Oops.   I've got feedbacking on me.  

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Yeah. That was   see, if we hear the the back feed, that means that that their mic is picking up something, and then we're hearing that.  

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Welcome. Welcome.  

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You hear all the giant party Marcus is having over there. He's got a band,   like 83 half   naked girls.   He's running around talking to him about their chastity.   Race cars too.   And race cars. And race cars. Stock  

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car racing.   It's dangerous.  

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Hey, Dan.   What's up, Gordy?   Hail droid, nail print,   face and talon.  

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Wanna share some   Killdozer memes right off the bat. Love it. Get right on the Killdozer memes.  

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Not all heroes work.  

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Who is Killdozer?   Is that the name he gave himself?  

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No. No. Because I mean the the he didn't kill anybody but himself. So I mean, it really I mean, more aptly named would be suicide dozer, but he fucking took it. He   he did some damage on the wing out, though.   It's on Mojo. $7,000,000  

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of damage   in 2,004 money.  

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It's you guys Right.  

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The artist formerly known as Marvin Heemeyer   in a d   355 a. How do we say that? D 3 55 a bulldozer.  

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Yeah. Granby,  

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Colorado.  

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I personally would have been doing a cat, but, you know, that's that's, you know,  

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Your fun Lego set.  

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That's great.  

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That is great.   Yeah. He is a fellow South Dakotan. You don't,   I tried telling you guys about people where I'm from. They're they're rough. There's a reason that they said fuck off during the mask thing.  

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Like, it's just as a general. They're just like, what? The deal with Dollar General? They just keep popping up everywhere.   Everywhere. Is there a war on dollar stores happening?   Go to dollar store, everything's a dollar 25. Is it the Dollar General's fault?  

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1 of my one of my one of my farmhands, his side by side looks kinda like that.   Yeah.   Arts well. Arts. I I say yeah.   Is   it cool?   Clear plastic to try and make himself a windshield and shit like that.   Yeah.   Yeah. Brian got an actual windshield, but then Ostarra went out and did that little number with her horns on it. Yeah. Oh, no.  

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Tried on that bulldozer.  

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Yeah. She really has made me mad. I'm ready to get rid of her. She's made me so mad. Like,   she's just such a pain in the ass anyways, and then now she's just running around. She's got this new trick where like, my truck was real nice looking when I got it, and she does this thing where she takes her horns. And I don't know if she's sharpening them or what the fuck she's doing, but it makes these little u's   on my truck. Yeah. And she just walked around and did it to the whole fucking truck like somebody keyed to the Jesus on my truck and then did it to drive the windshield on a side by side.  

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This the new truck?  

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Yeah.   Yeah.  

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What   a bitch.  

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Yep. Pretty angry.   And then she's broken into the garden, like, 3 times. Like, we we really   I mean, part of it is she's just showing us where the weak spots are, so it doesn't normally make me that map. But she's just really been naughty lately and just tired of it.   I'm ready to get rid of her.   I know. Right? That should go right next at uncle Ted's cabin. Be damn straight.  

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Lego sets.   Send us your favorite meme Lego sets.   That'll be fun to see.   Official or unofficial.  

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Then What do you think?  

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Destroy them with the Killdozer Lego.  

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Yes.   Set up a little Granby town?  

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Yeah.  

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Think the erector sets would destroy the plastic LEGO bricks.   Yeah.  

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Metal versus plastic. They do make some,   metal,   Lego Technic bricks. They're not they're not Lego brand, but they're pretty awesome. They machine them out of aluminum or steel.   Pretty cool stuff I've seen people make.  

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I might do that contrarian. I'm pretty tired of it. Henry would go first before her. Henry really makes me mad.   Like,   I tried to get her to eat Henry last year.  

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Jim, did we get a title for the stream?  

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We got a title.  

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Then that means we got an intro video,   and we got a stream.  

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Ben, have you done rock them? Oh, I got April. I w s w 25  

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6. Golden Chariots,   Bricks Meet Dozer.  

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Saturday,   June 8th,   9:0:5 PM CST.   What time is it in Walla Walla?  

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I'm on the road. Walla Walla. 7:0:6  

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PM. 7:0:6   Walla Walla time.  

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10:0:6,   New Hampshire.  

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Over on the rock fins, we got   wsw256,   return the marks.  

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Excellent.   Has your madness spread across the world now? It is slowly creeping as if it were a some kind of a bizarre Boingo virus, although we don't wanna look at it that way. But, no, it is creeping, and we just finished a nationwide tour, and we see that little of   Boingo   ism   is   everywhere   now.   Slam   bam   sluggo   bibs.  

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Celebrities will rate them, and the act with the highest score will receive our beloved Gong award and this check with the unusable sum of 560   I mean, unusual sum of $516.32.   Thank you, Nomi.   Remember, if after 20 seconds, one of our celebrities feel the act is not worthy of continuing,   he or she will hit the old gong like this.   And now, to open our show, we bring you an act who at first may shock you,  

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but once you get them on, it on, they'll just bother your mind.   This is really a tough thing. Of all, my son's my son's birthday is next Saturday, and I wanna get him something he's never had, and I kept looking at this girl in the front.  

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Call a vista of mystery.  

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I don't think we should let this group loose again until they develop a vaccine for weirdness.   A for awful and an 8 for being very funny.  

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In the 1st place, I am so impressed that classical music has finally come to this medium.  

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Rest your bones.  

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Thanks logo. Thanks. Thanks logo. But the Boingo is in the derby world.  

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Still your link tree.   Nice.   Link   tree   forward slash arm marks.  

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What can we find there?  

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All of the miscellaneous   things that I get into.  

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Excellent.  

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At least that at least that I'm willing to share.   You know? If you wanna see what's really going on, you gotta find me.  

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Yeah. I saw you were publishing some stuff,   on the Twitters or the YouTubes with the guys from a quote rejects or for the guy that's, still carrying it on. Yeah.  

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Yeah.   So that look cool. Yeah. I've done a few things with him over the last couple of years.   So we've done, what was it? We did the Nimrod series,   and then,   did oh, what we did recently was the Virgil.   They were calling Yeah. That was it. Virgil conspiracy   about,   the   origin of the Novusitis   plural   and how that's been transposed into the idea of the new world order.  

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Interesting. Yeah. It makes me wanna go watch it. I just,   you know, sometimes just goes by in the feed and you notice, like, hey. This is Robbie Marks. Yep.  

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That that, New York Patriot?   Yeah.   I was on a show with him once. I didn't mind him. He's a he's a decent guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They rammed on Sam Tripoli the whole show. Hey. I know. Sam Tripoli. I just think in, certain ways, he's just trying to cause some, Internet drama just for the sake of causing drama.   Yeah. There was a couple of them on there, and they're just bragging him. And Yeah. I ended up take   feeling like because I I talked to Sam, Mhmm. And I took this position, like, I don't know why you guys are saying what you did, but I'm not like and I'm not like some fanboy for Sam or fucking some   defender of Sam, but I'm like, you guys are just saying some real out of line shit here. Yeah. Like Yeah.  



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I I listen to Sam quite a bit, you know, here and there, on and off, depending on the day.  

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We we have differences. I've actually had some pretty heated arguments with Sam, you know, but on the same token,   since I started in this,   I've got a lot of friends and what that   Sam let them come on his show when nobody'd ever heard of him. He'd been on their show. Yeah. He tried to promote guys.   And for no reason, than the goodness of his heart.   And I'm and, you   know, you know, I like I said, I don't agree with him. I've had some raging arguments with the guy where,   he gets pretty buttered at me, but,   at the same token, I'm not gonna sit there and say any nasty things about him because I've seen what the guy's willing to do and actually you know?  

So I would like that's   so I wasn't cool with it, but   I I liked his information. I thought he was an alright guy. Yep. Yeah.  

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Yeah. It's interesting, the little tussles and   little beasts that people like to bring up. Well, I try to stay neutral and all that shit, man.  

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Yeah.   That's the best thing to do. It's a natural thing that people are gonna disagree,   and then it does unfortunately, it does cause people to notice, and then   people kinda naturally take sides. Not always, but usually people kinda have a at least even if they keep it to themselves.   Yeah. They got a idea of what they think,   and so then it makes it a us versus them thing.  

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Yeah.   But that's, I just think, the natural state of everything. I mean Absolutely. If we agreed on everything, it'd be a pretty, boring place. You know, this   Yeah. So  

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Is that what happened in 2004?  

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No. That is not what happened in 2004,  

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Marcus. Led up to the events of Marvin   Heemeyer's   Drive.  

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Marvin Heemeyer Hello. Base and this is and this is one of the problems   for so many of these   younger people are pushing.   And it's because they they were brainwashed into it that   the local governments are, like,   somehow pristine, and it's only the big government that's bad. And,   you know, Marvin, he'd tell you exactly how   horrifying local governments can be. To be. And, you know, as they shut down his business base for all practical purposes   by letting their buddies build a building in front of him and cutting off his any access to his,   welding shop.  

And,   he went out of business, lost everything.   And, after trying to find decent,   you know,   there's ways they could have addressed it. They could have given him egress. They could have done a number of things and the city council wanted to screw him over.   And because of the way the laws work in our land,   we let that kind of thing happen and the cops, the enforcement arm of said governments will come and do what they're gonna do. They're the pit. They're the bulldogs of those   governments.   So this guy said, I've had it and welded himself up.   You know, kildoser.  



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Went on a spree.  

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Yep.   And, honestly, he didn't hurt anybody.   I honestly would have been a lot more vicious about it by the time because, I mean, this guy did deal with this for years.   Like, I honestly think he was pretty reasonable about he honestly had the thoughts of doing   more murdery type damage because he put gun hole, you know, gun holes and everything else, but the only person he actually killed was himself. Yeah.  

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And this happened 20 years ago   a couple days ago?  

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Yeah. I'm not kidding. Oh, yeah. On 6th, was it?  

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That's awesome. I remember seeing the the kill dozer footage when it came out originally.   Yeah.   Yep. Yep.  

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Granby is notorious for how for how bad their,   government   their council is and their cops are. They're it's notorious.   There's quite a few,   like like Gorey stand, the local pretty horrendous regard you know?   It is. Like, there's in Colorado, for some reason,   there was a lot of really   super corrupt local small governments that really did whatever the fuck they wanted. Colorado,   up until the late eighties was a very   low population state. Yeah.  

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It's amazing how many people have moved there just, since they legalized cannabis.  

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Well, in the late eighties   so in the early eighties, this it was a again, I I I no population.   And then in the late eighties,   two things happened.   California   government,   went bankrupt,   and a   a ton of Californians   moved from,   California to Colorado.   Because before that, Colorado was actually a conservative state, a hardcore   conservative state. They were.   And then,   also, they built a tech center downtown.   So then the population grew so much that they had to completely gut the entire highway system in down in going through downtown Denver and everything   and expand it, like, 4 times as big as what it was   in order to try and accommodate the growth that had happened   at the end of the eighties and the early nineties. And then, again, like Robbie's talking about, they had another   giant expansion,   that happened   because of the cannabis legalization.  

And then also there's   became this pipeline between basically Mexico Mexicans   would   end   up going to Colorado just a, overwhelming   Mexicans would end up going to Colorado just a,   overwhelming percentage comparative to other places for quite some time. Yeah. For sure.  

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Yeah. I I actually lived, out there from, like, 86 to 91.   And,   yeah.   I lived in Greeley, Colorado.  

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What?   Yeah, man. I live, dude. I wired up that high school, bro, and I lived in Longmont in fucking 88   and 89.  

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Yeah. And then,   I mean, they burned the, you know, they burned the, cow blood there every Wednesday and Sunday, so it smells like dog food. Dude,  

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so gross and Greely. Yep. So gross.  

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And then, I ended up moving to Denver, and I was DJing quite a bit.   That was before I moved down, to Little Rock Memphis Delta area.   So   but yeah.  

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Dude,   with that cow blood, though, fucking I lived there when I lived there, it's the weed still wasn't legal. Right.   You bet your ass 1 I had a 4 bedroom apartment, and one of those bedrooms was the the grow room. Grow room. And   nobody walking around sniffing for nothing in Greeley. You're, like, walking around like this. Right. I know right. Yeah.   Yeah.  

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Well, and it's funny because they used to have if I remember right, they had a,   a you if you had a bag of ganja, you would have to go down to the state house and get a tax stamp   to put on it. And if they busted you with ganja, they would char they would get you a tax evasion if you didn't have the stamp on it.  

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Oh, wow.  

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Oh, yeah.  

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That's insane.  

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Dude, it was really weird the 1st couple years because   the 1st year,   they made it legal to have and legal to smoke, but not legal to sell. To sell. Yeah. So they made this place in Colorado Springs called the lazy lion Mhmm. Where   then they started doing weird things like with the lazy lion.   You you had to be an employee, so then everybody that walked in, it was a private   company then. Yeah. And everybody that was a customer was an employee instead.   And then you didn't purchase   cannabis.   You just took some of the product from work, but then you had to reimburse them.   And they were very specific about these this terminology.  

And they would hand me the product first because you took it from work. Right. And, you know, yeah, feel free to help yourself, but you gotta reimburse the company after you take it.   You know, like, so.  

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All the gray area   playing with terminology and   yeah. Yeah.  

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He ends up I guess losing everything for tax evasion.  

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Man. He ain't paying And that's   The the same kind of thing with the gray area now since they've legalized all seven. You know?  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. Because you can have it. You can take it, but you you can give it away, but you can't sell it. It's like the same kinda you know? You can get donations for having given it away and blah blah blah. Yeah.   Oh, yeah. Same games.   Yeah. Always.  

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Yep.   California's   kinda wonky on the psilocybin too right now because it's like county to county and city to city and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So it's, like, all over the place. And then all of it is always,   did the cop wanna fuck with you today? Yeah. You know? Because because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what's going on.   If the cop wants to fuck with you, they do. And then later on, eventually, it maybe pans out and they throw it out, but not after not putting you through the ringer for months. Right. Yeah. Yeah.   And and this is what   ends up with people like Killdozer when they do dumb shit constantly and fuck with people.  



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Yeah. I had, an experience in Greeley where a,   a cop took a left hand turn in front of me at the, light.   And so I just rammed him and pushed him through the inner you know, through the through the light.   And,   so then he he gets out and, you know,   threatens me. The the cops finally show up,   and turns out,   I had his nephew, the cops nephew,   in my back seat when it happened. And he testified on my behalf and said that, you know, the whole family couldn't stand him. He was a liar and a cheat. I'm like, all this and they ended up demoting him, and they,   they dropped the pope against me. Yeah. Yeah.  

So one of the few cases where, you know, you can actually fight the law and come out ahead.   You know? Great.  

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Greeley's kinda wild. Greeley's kinda wild. Always has Just gotta have the cops relative in the car with you. That's what he do. It might wanna keep one on hand. I know. Right. Some cops relative to keep them with you.  

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So after all this went down, I was it was I was driving this,   Jimmy. It was a 77   Jimmy.   It was jacked up, had the 400 in it. And   the cops knew who I was, and I was literally getting pulled over, like,   at least twice a day. And,   finally, I sold that vehicle,   and the guy that I sold it to, he called after, like, 2 days. He's like, why am I getting pulled over every day? That's right.   Out of my hands, man.  

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So I don't know. Cops are dicks, man. I couldn't tell you. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. They are.  

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The these guys the truck we just bought, like, literally, like, 5 4 or 5 days ago, Brian sent me a message.   Somebody approached them in the parking lot in fucking Eureka.   And it was like, we bought it we bought it we're what they'll say? We had to go down south somewhere. Down by Ukiah down there somewhere.   And somebody clear up in Eureka's like,   this isn't so and so's truck anymore.  

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Like Yep.   Yep. What color was it, Jimmy? It was a baby blue baby blue, the white stripe.  

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We can paint this one. We can paint this one. Oh, yeah. That's a nice one. That was a good ride.   The top comes off?  

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Top came off. Yeah. But I never took it off. The maggots.   I always left it on. Because they said once you take it off, it leaks.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   So it never came off? Nope. Never came off.  

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Yeah. Yeah. If you took it I think it's one of those things. If you took it off regularly from the beginning   Yeah. It it it could come on and off. But if you didn't take it off for an extended period, the seal   So now it got cracked?   Yep.  

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They don't make them like that anymore.  

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They do not. But since 1973.   That thing was efficient at,   at pushing the car through a in, you know, a  

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in high school, we had a buddy with a Bronco like that, and he used to he didn't give a shit, like medians,   whatever.   He's like, it don't   matter. He just drove over everything with it.   Them seventies vehicles. Oh, yeah. They were they were it them seventies trucks were just different trucks. Gas Peddlers.  

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All   steel. Yeah. Boat. Yeah. Mailbox crushers.   Oh, yeah. Oof.  

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I   we had a real wicked bad blizzard 1 year, and our farm got hit with, like, 22 feet of snow. Oh.   And and we lost the tractor. We couldn't remember where we parked it and  

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then, you know,  

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where is it? I don't know. Fucking   so we had to tunnel out to the barn, and we ended up where we, made a path for the truck.   And we had a we had a 79f150   and with the 351 Windsor in it. And   we'd fill the backup with buckets of water because all the lines were frozen everywhere. And then I'd shit can it because, you know, we weren't really getting traction.   Try and get through,   and they had a big cattle catcher on the front, and then we just smack into the barn and that would stop   us.   Didn't do anything to the truck.   Yeah.  



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Truck's fine.  

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Yeah.   Where I'm from, they wouldn't allow those those those seventies,   Fords into the demolition derbies. They were banned from the  

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They just clean up?  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Too badass.   Mhmm. Yep. Fucking   railroad ties for a damn frame or some shit. You know? Oh.  

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Yeah. I always wanted an old Bronco,   the 66 through 77 bobtails.   Mhmm.   They're beautiful.  

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Yeah.   Those old Jimmy's, the Broncos, the Land Rovers, that just that boxy look.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was promised a, international   scout   when I was 16, and I'm still butthurt about it that, the man who promised it to me,   unfortunately, it did what, you know, poor white trash does and parted ways with it for money because they had to, and then   wring their hands and cry and say I'm sorry, but it was already painted purple, man. It was mine. It was my international scout. And I'm I still miss it even though I never drove it.  

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And purple at that.  

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Yeah. Yeah.  

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I got an old square   I had an old square suburban out here with a 4 54 in it. That's my emergency vehicle.  

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It looks those those new Elon,   trucks look like they're, like, 8 bit or something. Oh, yeah. Tesla trucks.  

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There's quite a few of them over here in Boise, so it's really weird. I took a picture of 1 at Albertsons. It's like Yeah. Look at this fucking thing. That is perfect. They're 8 bit. Is it like a 100 grand?  

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An Atari?   Hey. What the fuck is that?  

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Don't do it, guys.   Don't do it.  

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You remember that, custom last game   on the Atari with the Oh, man. Chicks with the square boobs?  

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I think I think we remember that. Yeah. Pitbull?  

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Wait. What game?  

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Custer's last, Stan.  

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I don't know. I don't think they published that in the north.  

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Those are buried with the ET cartridges in the same landfill. Right. Right.   Do you think this Tesla truck is gonna end up in landfills or in garages as art objects?  

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They are interesting.  

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Both I've seen  

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a a meme where it was making fun because they were,   doing an advertisement,   where they were showing how tough this is. And it was pulling the engine off of a jet.   And then fucking, it showed like a 70 6 Chevy Silverado.   Yeah. You know, standard in the advertisement. Was it pulling the whole fucking space shuttle? You know, like, just like  

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But I guess I mean, you know, with these things being all electric,   and they have all the screens inside of them, and then they have the cameras facing in and out. They're recording at all times.   And, I've heard people say it's like sitting in the microwave.   You know? Oh, I I bet.  

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Well, then they recall all of them. I thought they recalled, basically. I heard something about that. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I think they I know a guy locally that bought one. I think they're a $100, and he had to wait, like, 2 years to get it. Damn.   And I don't make fun of him for it. You know? I just, be cool. They, recalled, like, 90%  

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of them.  

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You can't see out of them, I don't think.  

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Look at the size of that windshield wiper. Hey. I never thought of that. We could ask him if he wants to do a a guest appearance   live in the truck.   Yeah. You know? And we could get him to give us a breakdown and run around. There's a guy on,   Instagram who's a multi multimillionaire.   He's got all these   supercars. Supercar Dave, I think is his name. And he took one and souped the shit out of it. He's got a painted. He's got a big old brush card on the front of it. He's got the tires beefed up to 30 twos or 30 fives.   And, he did the same thing. Ferrari published some kind of off road car, and he did the same thing immediately, put a gun rack on it, went and had it camo,   wrapped,   and then he's taking it out. Like, you know, he takes it straight out to the woods, drives it in   across the creek and everything. It's pretty cool. You know what I mean?  

Nice.  

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Yeah. So 4000   cyber trucks were   recalled, and only 4000 cyber trucks have been made recalled. Yeah. So all of them have been recalled due to a faulty accelerator pedal.  

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Oh, man. Oh, that's right. I remember now. Yeah.   Minor details. People are so picky nowadays.   Found that game here. I think Bobby won't be able to push a cop car through the intersection, Robbie.  

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Yeah. I know. Right?  

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You're just spinning your wheels and looking at that cop right in his face. Like, you don't choose.  

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Yeah. The blue, you're square.  

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Swedish erotica.  

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And I never played this game.   I had an Atari.  

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He's got a   a a phallus.  

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He looks it looks like naked cowboys in the It's like a Q bird dick. Like  

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I played a similar game.   What was it called?   Felix the cat? No. That was a peeping Tom guy. It was on computer, not Leisure Suit   Larry. Yeah. Maybe it was Leisure Suit Larry. Oh. But, yeah, you you know, you get to the last level and you have to, like, carefully coordinate the gangbang from 2 sides.  

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Leisure Suit Larry. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.  

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That's a long time. I remember I wasn't very old and then my mom a grandma had a roommate.   Yeah. She was less than perfect.   And so I was being allowed to play it, but the more excitable I got and the more impressed I was, the more I could tell my mom was about to kick me off of it. And when I shouted out that I'm gang banging again, I'm gang banging again. That's when I lost my privileges. Privileges were revoked   for gang banging.  

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Started gang banging at an early age.  

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Me and sugar free. What's up, Pam?   Oh, I see. So what have you been up to, Robbie, artistically, man? People if you're new   to mister Robbie Marks, he's a a a well known world renowned artist of the psychedelic   genre, I would say, you know, pretty pretty similar to that sixties art that you see. And,   I'm just curious what you've been up to, man. I assume you're working working hard.  

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Yeah. I've got   a   a picking on picnic, a Bluegrass Festival poster that I'm in the process of getting manufactured,   T shirts and posters. Where is that? I'm gonna that's down in,   Missouri.   Lake   Saint Clair, Missouri.   So,   but they have Sam Bush headlining.   And,   going down there,   dropped those off.   But I just got back from Florida,   meeting with the editor for the book,   getting all that in order.   Nice.   Yeah. We're he wants to break a couple of the chapters up   just because there's, like   he says, you   know, this this subject matter deserves its own chapter, basically.   So he wants to, like, you know, increase and have me extrapolate on a couple things, and then I have some notes that I'm gonna put in that I've accumulated since. But it's   yeah. It's 5, 6 of the way done being edited.  

And he said once he's completely done with the whole thing, then he starts from the beginning and reads it just for flow. You know? Right.  

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So yeah. We really exciting, man.   Yeah. It is. You said you made art for the book. Right? Yeah. I'm working on illustrations.   So Yeah. So that's I'm so stoked, bro. I definitely wanna sign copy of that on for what it cost. I'll take it. For sure. For sure, man.  

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Yeah. But I'm excited to get that going.   I've got a couple big jobs that I'm working on.   Just been   going and going and,   doing lots of housework and lots of artwork and   trying to,   haven't been reading as much as I normally do just because   we had I guess we're down to 6 days now before we head out the door and hit the road.   So  

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Time flies.  

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It does.   Yeah. And I've got, like, you know, a month's worth of stuff to do in 6 days.  

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So I I hear you. I'm feeling the same way. I just got back from a short vacation,   talked to Jim, and it looks like I'm gonna bounce right back out of here maybe as soon as tomorrow evening. Yep. So Yep. I feel you, bro. But I don't I'm not complaining. I'm happy to keep traveling and getting you done. If that's what if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. Let's do it. Yeah. I like being busy and constantly just immersed in stuff.  

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You know?  

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It's the best.  

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Yeah. It is. It is.  

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As long as you get some rest sometimes.  

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. We went over to Twin Falls, Idaho, and there's a big beautiful waterfall over there. They're actually   taller than Niagara Falls   called Shoshone.   Yeah. So we went and saw that and did some hiking and went on a little boat tour and, you know, took a few days at the pub, just the KOA, and so that's.  

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When you're not resting and you're driving,   we do have audio episodes   of Waving Spider's Welcome to playback   while you're driving along.   Nice. Alanmarcus.comforward/podcast.  

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Well, I would have to say that the double falls at Multnomah   has to be pretty close to even Niagara Falls. Niagara is not that tall. No. It's not. But   the   horseshoe part where   just the sheer volume   of falls, it's so wide.   Right. And then the horseshoe where you're, like, got falls, like,  

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everywhere around you. You're Coming around you. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I've never seen it, but that's the cool thing about Shoshone is that it's another horseshoe type mall. Now when we were there, only about   maybe almost a 1000,   gallons were pouring over, but they said that just a month and a half earlier, it was, like,   10 or 11,000.   You know? Again, it it's shaped like that too, like a big   it hooks around and,   but, yeah, I'd I'd love to get up there to that part of Canada and the top of the United States someday. I've just never done it. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy night. Or honeymoon.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Nice.  

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I was there last year. Got a room at Niagara Falls.  

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Yeah.   Did you see the fireworks while you're there?  

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No.   They did a light show, though. Yeah. A light show where the the it turned the falls themselves different colors. It was all around, and they did, like, this whole   light show with music and all that. Right.  

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Right. Yeah. They do, every night. I wanna say it's at 10 o'clock. They do fireworks.   But so this last time we went,   because we always drive by it as we're heading out west,   we decided to go across the border to Canada. It's the first time I've done that. And then there's a whole   little, like,   I don't know, amusement park like Playland   with, like, Ripley's Believe It or Not and, like,   Dracula's castle and Frankenstein's   this. And, like, it's all just this kitchy horror kinda   bizarre kinda Nice. Cool.   It's really interesting.   You know? And they have, like, a Ferris wheel, like, the eye in London that you can ride.  

You can see that from the American side. Yeah. You can see that Ferris wheel. But I'd never been over there. It was quite the spectacle.  

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Yeah. I mean, obviously, I didn't go to the Canadian. They'd never let me into Canada. Yeah.  

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Why would you even wanna go? You gotta pay a dollar when you come back.  

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It's a dollar. You wanna go to to to meet Robbie. You know, if Robbie's already there, it's like, well, I guess I gotta go into camp. Oh, yeah. You go eat some beaver cake.  

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No. I got felonies and shit. I'm not they won't be in Canada. Not at all. Yeah. Yeah. I bet.  

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We got held up on the border one time like that just because our friend had a DUI and we didn't know that that would prevent him. And then, of course, my buddy in the wheelchair smoked weed like I was going out of style.   So they thought they had us busted and, they pulled the whole trailer apart, hit hit it with the dogs, and, you know, I guess he did have, like, 1 gram hidden in his coffee grounds.   Oh. But, it was just a nightmare. I think we were there for 5 hours.  

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Yeah.  

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Did you get in trouble or did you get passed on to They I mean, you know, got people with a broken neck sitting in a wheelchair, they they usually don't give them too much help, but they   certainly left it to me and the other guy to put the trailer back together.   Oh, wow. Then we had to drive on into the night. We found this crazy spring fed   lake. Like, it was just, you know, what I call a miracle of God. Because now it's, like, 2 AM already when we're leaving the border. And so we're heading south, and we don't know what the fuck we're doing. We might end up parking on the side of the road somewhere. Right? Like, which is dangerous because there's not really room for a 32 foot trailer and a van on the side of the road. And so,   we found a place. You know, it was before the Internet,   and we start following the trail, but with a big trailer like that, you know, it's it's dirt road and it's kinda rocky. It looks a little bit rutted. And we're going farther and farther, and it's, like, a mile and a half, 2 miles in. We're getting into the trees, and we're like, fuck. We're gonna get stuck and be stuck until the sun comes up to even get out of here. And then it opened up into this huge beautiful camp area,   completely secluded and hidden, private with a spring fed lake. It was just bright blue, and we just had a great time. There was all these chill ass people there the next day. People weren't upset that we showed up late. So we stayed for 4 or 5 days, and then instead of, going into Canada,   we went down into,   Yellowstone Jackson Hole and did that. That was our backup plan. You know? Nice.  

Nice.   Yeah. Good time. Beautiful.   Yeah. I got a week. Oh, hey. I didn't think about that. Here you go, guys. Here you go.   So I don't know how this is a what we call a Gordy 2 shoes move, but   so if you look there,   that's,   that's me on that trip.  

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Oh, yeah. And,  

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let's see. Am I I'm sitting there somewhere. I'm sorry. But there was another kid named Sean learning how to play the guitar. Oh, that's me. Okay. And see, there's the other Sean on this side. But who took the photo? So these guys just coincidentally had guitars,   and so we all busted out and played and sang songs. And,   you know, old Sean was teach was teaching young Sean some moves on the guitar earrings. But who took the photo?   Probably the disabled guy.   It'll balance the camera on one hand and push the button with his thumb. It doesn't move.  

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Oh,   he couldn't just say lick or smile, and the camera would take a picture automatically?  

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It's pretty okay. It had film in it, so I don't think it was getting contaminated.  

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Yeah. So when you say kichi horror stuff, do you mean, like,   the, like, the more 1800 ish   style stuff   or even like the stuff that was   supposed to be, like, cheerful and bright was still macabre shit. Mhmm. You know, like that that  

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era   of   stuff.   You're talking to Robbie?  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. So you're talking about what's over on the Canadian side. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to, yeah, was it, like, more like that 1800  

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era   or even, like, the   the stuff that's supposed to be, like, juicy was still looking. Like, you know, like, the Easter bunny still, like, evil ass looking. You're like, why is the Easter bunny look like that? Yeah. It was all, like, plastic with backlighting  

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and,   like, very just,   kind of   carnival.  

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Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.  

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No. I didn't have any kind of authenticity   about it.  

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Right. Right.  

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Yeah.  

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Tried to make it cheap and cheesy, like, to the max.  

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Yeah. Basically, it's just a tourist trap.   You know, it gets you in there.   Like, people were going in and out all these strange buildings, man.   You know? And it's like I'd imagine they would be like,   houses of mirrors and fun house kind of environments. You know?   So  

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We did House on the Rock   on the way back from, New York.  

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Mhmm.  

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And that had a lot of that kind of all kinds of crazy shit in there and a lot of older, like, really macabre stuff in there where it's like   it doesn't seem   you know, it's almost like when you read children old children's tales. Mhmm. You're like, why is this so fucking disturbing?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Like Ray Bradbury.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. You know? And, like, a lot of the stuff in that building was from the 1800,   and that whole arrow was just very creepy. Oh, yeah.  

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Well, here in New England, like, all the places go back, you know, 100 of years, back to the founding of the country, if not before in some cases.   I mean, Lovecraft, like, where he writes a lot about, like, Providence, Rhode Island, and New Hampshire.   He's got a bunch of stories in New Hampshire. You know? And just talking about the old haunted hills, and,   it does get a little creepy in the winter when everything's just in black and white here. You know? Yeah. This is it.  

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Yeah. Oh, that's cool.   That's kind of fun.  

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Yeah.   I mean, we went up there and got some poutine and kinda stood around and watched the tours for half an hour, and then we just went back across. For the tourists, what is poutine? It was better when I got to see,  

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Sean Floss with,   Gene Simmons' tongs.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   Poutine is, French fries with brown gravy and cheese curd.  

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Canadian classic.  

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Canadian classic.  

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Do you have any vegan poutine?  

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I know. Right?   That veggie gravy?  

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Sure. I know they do. Sure. I tell you what.  

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Fuck it. You take and rather than put sausage in that fucking white gravy, you put,   chanterelle mushrooms that you just picked out of your fucking yard over there.   Right. Oh my god.   Chanterelle biscuits and gravy,   so good. We probably ate 50 pounds of that in class. That's  

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not great.  

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Yeah. We got we had Chantrelles and hedgehogs   popping up everywhere. So,   of course, we're picking them. You start, you know, figuring out different ways to use them, and Christy made them in biscuits and gravy, and all of it we're all like,   more. More.  

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Like It does sound good.  

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Yeah. It wasn't purposely vegan, but it definitely would have fallen under vegan, and it was delicious.   You know? And it's just because that's what we were finding around here, and we had to use them up somehow. Use them up. Yeah. Yeah.   You know?   Or or what guy   that guy would come back, like, every day with, like, £15 of fucking mushrooms, £20. Just, I mean, ridiculous   amounts.  

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Buttons aren't vegan?  

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Yeah.   They are. That's what I was saying. That that would have actually been vegan, mixes, and gravy, and that's that was it was awesome.  

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Mushrooms taste kinda meaty, some of them. Some of  

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Portobello.  

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Yeah.   And then chanterelles   fry up just right, and it's really to go in that, and it's really delicious.  

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Give you that texture.  

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Uh-huh.   Yeah. We ate a lot of that.   So it's kinda funny that you say that because we ate a lot of bisque vegan biscuits and gravy, I guess, this last winter.   Or spring, I guess. Spring when the end of the heavy rains and all the chanterelles were out.   That sounds Of course, we use milk for the gravy.   It wouldn't be vegan then, would it? You're right, Gordy. It would it was still just vegetarian because we definitely use cream and milk. Real cream and real milk. Cream and milk. Fucking air right.   Yeah. Not vegan.   Definitely use glutens too.  



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There   was 1 year,   year in New Hampshire,   we found, it was, like, a 160   pound,   end of the woods.   And we divided it up between 4 different families,   And I had, like, 4 dehydrators   going,   and,   yeah,   it was a lot.  

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We're we're looking at,  

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so at my place,   we just finished up,   where I've been hugel culturing the front, and I'm trying to basically do,   4 layers. So this bottom layer is the more,   fruiting type items like beans,   things like that, you know, that are gonna   they have a fruit that needs to grow.   And then,   behind that there's gonna be more, greens.   And then,   behind that then your, more permanent   greens like your asparagus that really don't like the direct light. Right. And then   up in the hill there, there was these giant log piles that they left all the bark on them, so all the wood went rotting anyways.   So we're just gonna cut all that up and inoculate it. And this area is, you know, I live in Humboldt, so it's famous for mushrooms anyways. So we're just gonna go inoculate with that with the mushrooms that we want   and, you know, cultivate mushrooms up in that,   darker forested area. Right. Right.  



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And I heard recently that, a lightning strike around mushrooms   will cause them to double their fruiting fruiting capacity   capacity.  

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Oh. So I've also heard that, but it's from a guy that grows,   psilocybin,   you know, mushrooms. Yeah. And he says he will take   and he will put a charge into his, into his, media.   Yeah. And, yeah, and he will throw a charge in there to to replicate that in order to,   yeah, get that same effect. Increase production.  

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Yeah.   Like, just one charge, or does he leave it? Yep. He just doesn't want going in. Oh, cool.   They're like brains.   It's the They are. Brains of nature. And they like electricity for some reason.  

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They're the zombies of nature.  

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Yeah. Yeah.  

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This is the, this is the hugel culture.   Mark's pulling it up. Thank you.   This must have been right before I got the or no. I already had this right when we got the dirt. So you could see that area I'm walking on has not got topsoil on it yet. Right. But   at the end of that garden there on the left,   that's there's about a 6 foot drop between where the ground is there that you're seeing in the actual ground.   And all that has been filled in   with   first logs   and branches and stuff. And then you put old plant material on top of that, and then you put manure on top of that, and then topsoil.   And then the idea is is the manure,   feeds the the top soil first, and then as that breaks down, and then the whole plant material breaks down,   and the whole thing, the logs hold moisture.  

So this is that was the first area I got done, and that's just broccoli.   And I just threw down some broccoli, and you can see that just went mad. And here's all the, fruiting vegetables getting ready to get put in.   So then behind the house there up the hill is where that log piles are. Look out. Look how steep that is. You can see that's just a drop off.   Those are 12 foot poles.   Wow.   Yeah. Yeah.   The   but up the back, you I wanna put mushrooms, and I'd really like to get some morels going because we don't have any morels around here.   Those are real delicious, but, we already naturally have champarels and hedgehogs.  

I don't really like the black trumpets, but we got them. I'm not a big fan of those.  

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Did you have a shearing video online too?  

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Not of, yeah. Yeah. It's I hadn't had the I haven't put up it after shearing. I did it before shearing right when we're getting ready to shear. I haven't got the other videos uploaded yet, though.   And we're gonna do the little baby girl. I wanna do, like, a full upload a full video of the baby girl.   A little poofy looking one. We're calling her McPuffins.   McPuffins haircut.   Yeah.  

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Alpaca?  

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Yeah. Yeah. She is, dude. She is so she bare she was born too late this year last year, so she's got, like,   4, 5 months of extra hair on her, and she is just and it's her first shearing, so her hair looks like it's it's fucking long.  

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I saw it. I saw that video. Yeah.   Some good looking animals, man.  

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Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.  

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But that little one is the one you're talking about. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're so happy because her mom is that,  

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great that older gray one, and she looks like her name's Nancy or something. Mhmm. And,   she's the oldest, and she's always been kind kind of the   the flock mom. And she tries to take everybody's babies from them and tries to be their mom, but has never had her own. So we always assumed she was too old.   And then last year, just out of the blue, like,   4 or 5 months after everybody else had already had their babies, she popped out a baby. Like,   oh. And she was so happy.   So happy. So yeah.   Yeah. So we're we're all, like, you know, with her on it. We're like, yay. Smokey had a baby.   We take the hair and we process it,   and then make it into stuff. We haven't,   really started selling it too much yet, but,   where's my hat?  

So this is,   everybody usually sees a lot of the videos have Buddy, the white alpaca because he's always up hanging out doing stuff with people. But here's, here's an alpaca hat. This is   made of a made out of alpaca, and it's got little trees on it. And  

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It looks warm. That's awesome.  

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You betcha.   So So are you just gonna keep breeding so that you have a big herd?  

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Yeah. You don't you don't get that much fiber, and, honestly, alpacas don't take much. It doesn't take much to take care of them. It doesn't take much to feed them,  

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water them. Like, really, they're That's a pretty good trade off for the excellent   I've always wanted to you know, they got those alpaca shops. Oh, that's something. Don't go to them. It's Right. I mean, just every time I've walked in there, I like the material, but yeah. I get you mean.   Rip off.  

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Yeah. I went into that alpaca store the first time I saw 1. I was so excited, bro.   And I was like, nice.   I get to see some, like, professional badass alpaca stuff. I get in there 10%,   Sean.  

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No. I've been to both. Exactly. There's the ones that are too commercial, and then I've been to little tiny corner shops that are actually a 100% alpaca.   But the one you're talking about is more common. You see those a lot. You know, they got all the advertising and signage and shit in the window, and you go in there and a little asterisk for you to remind you that it's not really what you think it is. Mhmm. But   it's just cool to know more. I appreciate you giving us more info about the alpacas.  

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Yeah. When I see you this year, I'll bring you some hair, Sean.   I remember.  

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Awesome. Yeah. I'll do something with it.  

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I do remember. But Alpac of macrame.   I wear a pack of socks and   I got a hat. And,   Christy's got some other things that she makes, but we don't have enough that   yet, that we sell it yet. And and it's a lot of work to process it.   Mhmm.   You have to you have to take it. And   alpaca hair is funny,   so it actually is almost alive like. And depending on the temperature, the hair follicles will close-up or open up.   So when it's warm, they'll open up, and when it's cold, they'll close.   And it'll actually become tighter.   It's super interesting.  

So you gotta get it warm in order to get all the dirt and stuff out of it that the alpacas because they roll on the ground and whatnot when they're hot,   itch themselves and whatnot. So you gotta get the hair warm and get it open.   But then once and you've gotta be real careful about that. You can't put it in a washing machine   because good alpaca hair is so kinky   that it wants to bind to itself really easily,   and so it'll just felt if you try and put it in something with agitation.   So when you're doing that cleaning, you can't have an agitation or else it'll felt it. And so then you gotta do that super carefully, but it's gotta be warm in order to release the dirt that's kinda trapped in the air,   because it opens up, like, these pores or something in the hair.  

And then you have to put it through a a bat. You make bats. You got a bat machine,   and that takes and makes all the hair go in one direction.   Direction. Yep. Yep. And then from there, then finally, you can start spinning it into   yarn   out of taking it out of the bat and taking out   sections out of the bat and swing and spinning that together.   And you gotta be real careful while making it. So, like, especially with alpacas.   Alpacas, when you're shearing them,   everything from their in front of their hind legs and behind their front legs is called the blanket.   And the blanket is one thing,   and that's typically the longest hair on the animal. And it's the softest softest   and the most expensive.  

And then their chest and their forelegs and then their hind their basically rump   is called seconds. And   that's gonna be pretty much as long, but it's not gonna be as soft.   And then everything else is thirds, And that basically you use to make dryer balls   or,   you know, anything you're gonna felt. You know? So hats or,   I'll take and make, I'll make   insoles basically for my moccasins. I'll just take and   felt out and just put put that in there for, like, an insole.   Cool. Yeah. Rump felt. Yeah.  

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What keeps the fella together? $1,000,000,000  

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out of Rumpfelt.   Rumpfelt.  

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Well, since you mentioned   him,   there's another guy who's maybe getting liquidated.  

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And you can see.   Yeah.  

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It's not a merry very merry Christmas in July. Yeah. That,  

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looks like that Christmas tree is getting rump felt.   Oh. Oh.  

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I saw a video of him crying   about his situation the other day. What's going on? Him?   Oh, they're talking  

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know what? The bankruptcy they're talking about. Oh, okay. Taking your Oh, yeah. A $1,000,000,000.   Right? Yeah.   Now but that's a meme I made with Jim holding up a Christmas tree as if it were a large phallus.   Is that what Alex  

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I don't even recognize me.  

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It's a long time ago. Me and Jim at   Home Depot.  

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This was before the liquidation.   Alex Jones is still wearing Weiss and Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo, like,  

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Dave Weiss and Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo, like, kicking around a globe and   kick I I I don't know. Making fun of everybody, I think.  

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Yeah. I saw that. It tripped me out.   Yeah. That was strange. Dave White, one more oh, yeah. Eddie Bravo. You said it.  

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Yeah.  

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They're all partying.  

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And AJ just wanted to talk about Rumsfeld for a little while. A little while. And, Dave and Eddie Bravo   had their   prepared   statements to make, but AJ kept saying, hey. If you just give me 5 minutes, we wanna talk about, the guy in the big gold tower   a little longer,   on top of the hour.  

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And who is rubbing who's felt?   Feeling who's rump?  

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It was it was all happening under the table. Eddie Bravo's the MMA fighter, so you know he's gay.  

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I mean, Alex Jones, when you go back to, William Cooper   coming out with that 3 part series about him being intel, like, what   emerged.   And I don't know. You know, he's on that Air Force rider contract with his,   little studios there, and you just have to wonder if that's a complete setup   just to,   you know, be the example.  

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Yeah. Well, and then he always makes a negative affiliation   with whatever good information comes out. Yeah. And it's not like  

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it's it's not like he's not shared some relevant information over the course of, you know, the time he's been out, but it's, you know,   controlled drip. It just seems like Yep. I agree.  

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Yeah. But, yeah, he's always bragging that his his family is part of the intelligence and shit. Oh, yeah. Oh, very much tinker tinker tinker. Stuff that's the most viable that he lets out is the stuff that he presents the most maniacally.  

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Yeah. Absolutely.  

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Yeah. So, like, the gay frogs being one of the best examples.   The tree is a problem, and it is in   drinking water in areas where there's a heavy amount of homosexuality   and trans sexuality.   But we can't have that conversation because if you try bringing it up, you get, oh, you're just one of them Alex Jones. Hey, Tony. The frog's  

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Yeah. Yeah. Well and also every receipt you get from every single store is coated with atrazine,   and that's how they that's what they use to basically laser print that turns black on there. You know? So Yeah. I don't ever take them. Yeah.   I'm afraid that that I try not to touch them as much as I can, but you know? Isn't it the ones that they print out at the the,  

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you know, like, if you get your gas at the at the pump, isn't that one? Yeah. Heat any kinda heat transfer one. Yeah. Any kinda heat transfer. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah.   So   but, yeah, they do,   alone. That's the whole thing. It's almost like   they, there's there's, like, whatever issue is becoming a problem, and then they come up with some popular   kind of, movement   that's named the same thing.   So when you go to search that thing on the Internet, you're getting this, you know Yeah. The front item that kinda whitewashes   the  

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the nefarious item in the back. Yep. Or they do it with movie titles and all kinds of things. Yes. They do. Yeah. I remember when you could actually find information about Norse gods and, Norse history   on the Internet. But now you find Marvel and all this other nonsense, and then you find all these crappy groups like you're talking about, like, you know,   it's just, it's just no coincidence, folks. Mhmm. No coincidence.   Lots of information is paralleled. That's what I call it. Obscure through parallel equality.  

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Parallel reality.  

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Yep. They do. They manufacture an almost identical   concept, and they take out the key bits, and then they emphasize dumb shit and drama.   And then that keeps you away from the legit, harder thinking information.   Right.  

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Did rimrod wear felt?   How old is felt?  

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Felt.   Man, the old frigid hats going back to the Saturnalia   were sitting behind that with felt.   So I think felt's been around forever.   Like, as long as we felt, there's been felt.  

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I've heard of Adam Green. I didn't I don't know why.   Yeah. He felt  

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go ahead.  

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Go ahead. No. You go ahead.  

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I was gonna say Adam Green's an interesting character.   Just how he's been blackballed off everything.  

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You gotta be an interesting character to get any attention, but then sometimes you get too much attention and then you're too much of an interesting character. Right. Right. What can you do?  

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Try not to be so interesting.  

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It's it. What's what happens. Right? We naturally start   to self   censor.  

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Mhmm. Panopticon policies.  

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It works. I hate it, but it works. Oh, yeah.   Just like Adam Green. I mean, we talked about him just now for a second, but we don't bring him up because he's all in Zionism and Jews and that whole thing is so taboo   Right. That if you get into it, it puts you off in the corner with Adam Green and people like him, and you can't ever really get back out of it. Right.  

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But it's interesting. You know? Even if you're interested in that type of subject matter, you know, to try to openly talk about it, you get pigeonholed regardless of the fact and how you stand on anything. You know? Absolutely. Yeah.  

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Well, that that that that particular group,   they've got an inordinate amount of power over speech   at this point. Right. You know, what you can and cannot talk about, and it's just   ridiculous.   And the the the list of things that are anti Semitic in their opinion   is   just insane.   You know? Basically, at this point, it's anything that goes against them and everything that they want is,   you know, not   not to mention just the fact that the word semi in and of itself, it does it derives from the Semitic languages, which is a set of languages   basically covering the entire Middle East. So   they are not the only   semites, and they've decided that they own that also.  

It's like it's just super weird. It's super weird. And   because they have such a inordinate,   control in the media world,   be it social media,   traditional media. Like, they just own the media. So   that conversation just can't be had. And I and and part of that is is if you're gonna shit talk me, you can't do it in my house.  

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Yeah.   That's true. I mean,   if they've moved themselves into a position where they have   assertive power, then it's hard to to whine about it. But it's pretty hard to get a media   mogul ship of our own also.   Yeah. You know? And then A lot of people think that's what Bill Cosby was trying to do. And I'm not saying Bill Cosby didn't do bad shit, but he was trying to buy ABC or NBC.   Right. And so,   so that he could just have full rights and control.   The cops are just putting the fire. Accusations are exaggerated   based on the the idea that he was trying to get in like that. You know? I don't know. I've only glanced at the info. But Yeah. Prince was trying to do the same thing with Sony Music.  

Right.   Mhmm. I think Michael Jackson too. Pretty sure. Yes. Yes. I would say back in the day oh, go ahead, Ben.  

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I would say that the accusations   probably aren't overblown,   but I think that that's why that these people are the only ones that they allow into the game, in in the big time game. All half of these skeletons in their closet. Yeah. Gotta be perfect.   Yeah. They can tap into it. So somebody went around and just said, hey. Now's the time. You're gonna go and testify against Bill Cosby now. And he's doing something we don't like. So now we're gonna tap you to to get rid of him. So you have to have those skeletons that they can do that with in order to even play ball at that level, I think.  

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Well, I think through,   generally speaking,   like, they control the theater of of, you know, what's presented.  

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Yeah.   I had a really interesting idea. I haven't shared this with many people about the Bill Cosby thing that, it gave made this idea pop into my head that,   because it's a common thing where   the young, hot actress or musician   is involved   with these older what most people will consider, at least by most standards, gross, you know, especially sexually,   if you're thinking like, you know, it's not not not cool to have to hook up with Harvey Weinstein or 70 year old Bill Cosby. So I thought maybe they have a tacit agreement   where they can intentionally be roofied   so they don't have to be present.  

But then the the perp   has permission   and then has access where, you know, maybe they negotiate about the level to which,   GHB might be administered   and to what degree the person is still conscious and present. You know, that's an idea that popped into my head that is outside of what most act you know, most things you hear   aren't like that. You know, that's kind of a different idea.  

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But what do you guys think? You think that's you think that's possible? A 100% sense to me because I don't think that girls   a lot of these girls that are heroin addicts and things like that and Fentanyl,   like, you hear about them going and obviously trading their bodies for these things to guys that they find atrocious. But as long as they get that bump first, they're in la la land, and they don't know what's going on.  

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Yep. Yeah. That's true. That's common. That might be why it popped into my head because I've been   around those types of situations where you're,   you know, you're either poor or you're around people that are on dope, maybe not as bad as that. Yeah. But the people they're affiliated with  

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have these qualities and characteristics that are just so sad, man. It's just so sad. Well, look at, like, Courtney Love or look at, like, Amy Winehouse and just, like, what the, you know, system basically turned them into. It's Exactly. You know? But as far as Harvey Weinstein,   what was it? It says right here,   on April 25th, the New York Court of Appeals,   the state's highest court   reversed  

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the 2020 rape conviction of Harvey wings Weinstein. No shit. Yeah. The doc the the lawyer found some kind of, procedural error, so they threw it out and they're gonna have to do it all again supposedly. Right? And, well, I think double indemnity keeps that from even happening. But, nonetheless, he's been,  

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relinquished of charges. I'm pretty sure he's been released.   So  

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Wow. Wow.   Yep.   And Hollywood don't care. I mean, they're they're still cool with fucking Oh, yeah. You you know, everybody. Like, there's been like, Polanski   is fucking totally came down to the United States because he had a fucking child molester, and they're just like, we love Roman Polanski. We should let him back in.   Yeah. I really don't care. I saw, what?  

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Whoopi Goldberg   being apologetic about it. Like, oh, times were different back then. You know, that girl knew what she was doing. I mean, the girl was 13 years old. Come on, now. Good. It's it's weird  

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that   how many women I know that they totally will blame   the the young girl. Like,   women more   more men   that I've known are more on the   the   it's the dude's fault than women. Women most women I've known,   even if that girl's 15, they will blame the girl. Like, that's weird to me.  

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Yeah. That's pretty strange.   Oh, yeah. I saw the Ron Jeremy too. They let, they transferred him. He went he was, going he went to prison for a bunch of rape charges Yeah. On a famous porn star, and then they,   they couldn't really take medical care of him. I don't remember what was wrong with him.   So they, they they released him on some kind of house arrest deal. You know? So now instead of serving in in the general population or in in,   lock   up, he's at some, you know, some kind of safe house.  

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In a private residence   is   Yeah. Due to due to his declining health and medical conditions.   The he was declared  

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from incurable   neurocognitive   decline.  

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Yikes.   Brainworm.  

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Yeah.   He's he has dementia and is incoherent and suffers from hearing loss.  

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Mhmm. All that wet slapping sound got to the eardrums.  

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Oh, wow. Does the I wouldn't have even guessed that this is Ron Jeremy. I mean, I understand he's wearing a face mask. I mean, him. Look at this shit. Yes, honey. Yes. Oh, wow.  

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No. What color are Ron Jeremy's eyes?  

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Yeah. It's fine. He'll come back if he wants to. Looks like a Howard Hughes character.  

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They were all looking at the cock, Marcus. At the cock, not the eyes.   Does look like He got committed to a mental health facility though. So he didn't get just he's not just any he didn't just get released. He got they they switched him over to a mental health facility.  

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Not a fun place to be.   No. Not the same as being out of out of some sort of incarceration,   I would imagine.  

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Celebrity mental health facility?  

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I'd love to do the footwork and find out if we could get info from the local staff there, but they probably got it on lockdown.   You got it, man. It's pretty scary to have to be around that guy with dementia.   His whole life has been surrounding, you know, taking pictures of his dick and using his big dick.   So that would be really  

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The various,   sexual things that would emerge through his, you know, subconscious   that he would just spout.  

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Yeah.   Wicked Rider release back to it. Dark sitcom.  

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Oh, yeah.  

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It would have to also include Ozzy Osbourne for some reason.  

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We could have him be the main orderly. He'd be the manager of the CNA.  

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Like, Ozzie could be the director of the show.  

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Well, that'd be even better. Yeah. He's the he's the producer   director combo.  

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But the director inside of the show, not the actual director, but,   director.  

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Have the show be like a 4th wall? Yeah. We're just, like, directing   inside the show, you know. Like Reno 911 or The Office or something, you know, where it's, like, all   a true farce?   Yes. Oh, it'd be funny, bro. Mhmm.   That'd be great.   Now I'm really tempted.   Ron Jeremy.   Yeah. It just shows that   if you got money and power in their system,   there there's ways for your life to not go the way that the law says it was gonna go.  

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Oh. Yeah. Enter Alec Baldwin. That with these companies that go bankrupt. This guy's ultra rich, and he went bank and he's broke now, but they still drive fucking nicer cars and live in nicer houses and have nicer clothes and  

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Yep.   Alec Baldwin, the set of the movie, Rust.   What happened there? I don't know.   Alec and Hilaria Baldwin get a TLC family reality series for 2025.   They've got 7 young children at home.   Poor guy. And now they're gonna be broadcast on television.  

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They're saying. Yeah.   Them Baldwoods are fucking prolific fucking breeders, aren't they? Unfortunately,  

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yes. I wish I could disagree with you there, but, unfortunately, you know, it proves Yeah. It proves true.  

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Jesus. How many of you bald ones are are they all gonna act too?   I'm fairly sure they're all interchangeable except for the blonde one.  

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Right.  

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Mary Baldwin.  

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That makes me think of the Canadian,   it's from South Park   where they bomb the Baldwins.   The Canadians bomb the Baldwins off the face of the earth in that South Park movie. I forgot. That was my favorite part of the whole movie. So these The Baldwins are, like, hanging out of the pools.  

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Better.   They're all Spanish named.  

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Hilaria.   Roberto.  

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Nothing's better than being a Baldwin.  

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That's fine. And then the bombs fall on him. They're just great. So these kids are gonna have to outperform each other for attention in front of the camera.  

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Right. And outperform their parents who are attention to whores. Right.  

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Every one of them. If the blind leads the blind, won't they all fall into the ditch?  

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Like, it's weird. Crow talks about it, you know, and I don't ever hear anybody else talk about it except for Crow. But back in the day, actors were not looked upon highly. They were liars. They were Yeah. Yeah. You know? They weren't to be trusted. They were entertaining, but you didn't trust those people. They were they were paid liars. That that's what they did for a living.   And to   glorify them in the way that our particular society at this point in time does,   and and then look to them for leadership   is just absolutely   insane.  



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Silliness. Yeah.   You go back to Rome and and it was completely against the law,   for any actor to take a political role,   to take a political office.   They were they were, you know, very not taken seriously at all.   Smart news. But that's changed Yeah. Apparently.  

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A lot.  

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Yeah.   Oprah and The Rock begging for money   when they could finance it themselves if they felt like it.  

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Oh, guilt tripping.   Guilt tripping people into it instead. Right.   If only you poor people who could barely afford anything   would dig into your pockets.   Never mind that I had my own private   fire department   ready   to protect me and my wealth,   my billions Yep. And fuck all those people living across the street there,   you guys should dip in deep.  

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And I noticed with the, both Trump and Biden political commercials   that they're like, you know,   help us out. Donate now if you can afford it. And they all they all, like, have this ploy where it's like, well, if you can't afford it, you know, but even a dollar will help.  

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It's like Yeah. It plays on pride.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

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Like, I can afford a Trump. I got your back, bro. Here's my last 10 spot.   We're gonna give this to Owen Benjamin, but I'll give it to you instead.  

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Oh, it needs some more land, but damn it. It's not gonna even pan out if Trump's not president.  

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Yep. I never thought it could be this much of a farce. You know, when we look back at our age, we can look back at   Bill Clinton   as, like,   a stand up straight ahead guy as president who pretty much   did told you what he was gonna do and pretty much did that.   Is that crazy or what? He's supposed to balance the budget.   You know? Yo. He did. Alright. He did. He did some good shit. People don't wanna admit that, but he did. Oh, he did some COVID. He did not. With the  

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not. Get in the No. Glass. Glass.  

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We   got glass right there. Yeah.   We got top right the fuck there. He balanced the budget after signing NAFTA that year.   Right. We are now feeling   the the repercussions   of that as all industry   left the United States. Like, that panned out good for, like, 2 years until every fucking company had got enough money to move over and get the fuck out of here and quit paying our taxes.  

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And that's when we got all the Chinese Chinese and Asian goods coming in heavily.  

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I'm glad you called me out there, Ben, because what I used to say is that, Bill Clinton was the most prolific president we ever had, and he used to really piss people off.   But if you go look at everything, he's got his signature on it from when he was in office,   that's pretty prolific. But   I hate the man personally.   I don't really say that about many people, but I hate Bill Clinton. Just hate it. Well, so this whole thing with this recent Trump  

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thing coming down, you know, as far as being able to prosecute about the the verdict?   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if if you go back into ancient Rome,   one of the reasons that Rome began to fall   was because they began to allow them to prosecute   and sue the Caesars.   So, you know,  

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Right. Interesting. I never thought of that. Yeah. You see echoes.  

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Because, I mean, now if, Clinton and Obama and Bush are liable for all their miscellaneous   war crimes, etcetera, etcetera,   You know, it can and they can be brought up potentially now because this precedent said that's been set by Trump. It it makes you wonder. You know?  

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Well Yeah. And and it would be really entertaining too.   People would be completely sucked in if they throw one of those guys up there and put him in a 2 year long trial. You know? Right. Right.  

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Also,   with you couple that with the Alex Jones trial,   they are able to,   if they're then able to take a let's say, in this next Trump election   because in between then, in the last time Trump was president,   they tried getting Trump on inside inciting the what were those fucking right wing tools called with the Mexican leader?   Proud Boys or some shit? Yeah. Yeah.   The the, yeah, like,   the white the white crew with the Mexican leader just really weird. You guys are very confused. I don't know what to tell you.   Like but,   you know, they they were already doing a pulse check on that. Well, now let's fast forward to   the post Alex Jones trials   where saying what they consider,   misleading and defamatory   things are now these giant lawsuit worthy things. And now you can sue the president, and we've already seen how they've used,   these letter agencies. They've weaponized them. And I'm not even a republican in any need,   but they've absolutely weaponized these,   different agencies where it's no longer trying to serve justice in any way. Yeah.  



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Well, then you could argue that from the beginning of, you know I mean, in regard to their links with British intel   and just the the standing, and they were, you know, responsible to the bankers more than they were the government, and it's, I don't I don't think they were ever working necessarily in the best interest of the people.  

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Oh, I I a 100% agree.   But the the   the Overton window   has moved to areas that nobody would have seen coming in such a short time. Like, that fucking window, somebody kicked it. Yeah.   Mhmm.  

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It's like when you're figuring out how to make something move,   and it moves the scintilla,   And then you're like, alright. Let's go. Right. Make that over because window just takes off like a jet.  

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Yep.   Yep. I mean,   the the things that most of us are in our forties, the things that we grew up with,   the the idea of the things that my grandkids are facing in in the world,   I never could've. You couldn't have convinced me half of this shit would go the direction that it did. It's so weird.  

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Yeah. Me too, man.   I mean That's why we help people be nice to the young people. It doesn't mean,   you got to, make excuses when they don't act right, but there's a lot of reasons that they have that we can't necessarily relate to Yeah. For why they might act kinda off and weird and different than we understand. You know? It's not easy, though.  

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Just the social pressure that they have to face.   The   because when we went to school and and most of us, with the exception of my wife who lived in Donna Reedland   hated high school. And   the being able to go to fuck home   was a release   from that. Right. I hated school. Well, these 4 kids now, most of the worst parts of school,   they suffer the entire time they're home.   The you know, when they wake up in the morning, anything,   you know,   like, imagine,   there was a guy that I went to that was in my grade that got a boner in the shower.   Imagine that, you know, you went when he went home every night,   he was he you gotta imagine for, like, that 1st month, he probably cried himself to fucking sleep every night. Could you imagine waking up in the morning and you fucking all of a sudden, there's just, like, people extend you pictures of, you know, boner. Used to bone. You know? And and I mean, just endless with it. Like, you don't get any kind of a break   in any way, shape, or form. Like, that social pressure   is always on you.  



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Wow.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Especially for the young females, man. Yep. Everything captured by cameras instantly,  

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Snapchat. Captured by cameras.   Instantly,   Snapchat   posted right away.  

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Well and and as far as the schools, you know, I mean, what? They say 1 in 5 children,   don't know where their next meal are coming from. So, you know, a lot of times, the school and granted, the schools are getting substandard   quality   products, you know, just like the prisons.   But, nonetheless, a lot of the kids are dependent upon the schools   to be able to, you know, have any nutrition.  

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You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like the prison, though. The prison,   it's not substandard. It's the food that they give away in the prison. Substandard.   They they literally can't get rid of that. Like, the prison I was in anyways Yeah. Yeah.   We would do   3 month about 3 month blocks where it was either,   green, gray,   ham, or green, gray turkey. And what it was was, the John Morels plant there in in Sioux Falls,   whatever they had that they couldn't get rid of, and it ended up getting too old to get rid of. They just gave they'd give it to the president, and the president would give it to us. You can't even give that shit to dogs league.  

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Right. Right.  

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Nice. Well and it it also lends to the whole idea of the,   school to prison pipeline.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah.  

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A 100%. Having been in prison, a 100%, I can I you know, the the lifestyle is almost exactly the same?  

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Yeah. You got the bus in. You got the,   situation where everything's divided and separated.   The Bellsprings   and Yeah. Guided here and there, and it's,   yeah, it is interesting. Like, well and if you go back to the Prussian,   education system,   they had mandatory,   you know, subscription in the military.   So it was set up as the school to military pipeline. But then when they brought when Huey, when Dewey, and Mann brought it to the United States,   it just lended itself to the school to prison, you know, situation.  

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It's a super interesting time period in Prussia in that era. It was the end of the, it was the end of the Prussian dynasty where it actually had tings.   And   prior to that, the and it's a funny thing because,   obviously, none of us enjoy the Prussian system and the benefit and the   the the repercussions of it. We've all suffered it.   But then when you look at Prussian history,   before that, Prussia was a really,   almost 3rd world nation.   And then   through this system that they implemented, it was almost country wide   in the way that they treated the people entirely.  

I was actually just watching this show called 18/83.   It's like some Yellowstone spin off. Oh, yeah. I've seen that. Yeah. You saw that in that whole group. It was Prussian, and they talk about how there's laws for everything. They can't do anything in that time. Do anything. They can't make their own decisions. But and you go back to Prussia at that time.  

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I just finished reading Schiller's 30 year war from the German perspective.   And,   during that time,   the Roman Empire really came in and used Russia or Prussia as a test bed as for instituting   the beginnings of corporate law, and they promised them a constitution. They promised them all these, you know, freedoms, and and they never gave them any of it.   But they used it as a test bed, for for the corporate law system that the world is under now. You know?  

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Fucking fascinating. Right? Mhmm. And then and then What's the title of that book again?  

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The 30 years war   by Schiller.  

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So and then prior to this so the justification   for this system is prior to this, Prussia was basically a third world bumpkin nation.   Post this system,   in a very short time,   they went to the industrialized   leader of Europe, and   one could easily say the world.  

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I couldn't find a book cover  

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of this book. Why can't I write that Cisco drug ghost to fucking both the schools and the prisons?  

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The Frederick Schiller book.  

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But they the the some of the things that they're allotted to give the prison and here's the funny thing is is oh, that's a beautiful, beautiful book. Yeah. It's an old  

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leather bound,   but let's see. This is from   and I I went through, like, probably   10 or 12 books on the 30 year war, and they're all from the western position.   This is the only one I was able to find from the German position.  

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Is it originally written in German?  

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No. Well, yeah, then it's translated.   But this is a 18 82   publication out of Chicago.  

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Beautiful.  

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Yeah.   But this goes into,   Gustavus   Adolphus,   who is the general at the time that basically took sovereignty   over, even all the kings.   You know, so they couldn't control the armies at all. But it in, this area in the White Mountains   was the first push,   basically to resist crown and alter against the Roman Empire, and the Romans just came in and crushed them.  

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Gustavus,   king of Sweden?   Yeah.   Also the name of a college in Minnesota?  

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He rewrote the the standards of troop movements, and,   he did a lot as far as   understanding of of war philosophy.   And he would go into battles,   and,   he would just, like, have his men park,   and he would be like, yeah. We're not gonna fight.   We're just gonna, you know, do a siege of of contrition.   And, basically, it got to the point where all the troops ran out of food, all the troops ran, and both sides, they're, like, dying off. And the kings are, like, ordering them to fight, and he's like, we're not fighting.   And he had a whole agenda to basically   take over the region himself, and in the end, he got he got taken   out. But it's a good read.  



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Fascinating.  

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Yeah. It is a fascinating time.  

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So if you're ever in the,   prison there,   Hinterlanders,   yeah, the Cisco truck,   does, you know, come service them, like you said.   But the thing that people don't realize is is, like, that thing that they do where they go get that John Morrell meat, that's illegal.   And,   the so you know when you're in prison, the days that the state inspectors who are coming to tell you what the quality whether your quality of food is up to snuff,   you know what day that person's there. Because all of a sudden you're you're in the chow hall and literally the second you walk in, you're like,   fuck. It smells edible. What the fuck? And you get up there and it's food. And you're like, it's not great food, but it's food. And you're like, what the fuck? Why is our food look edible today? And it's always because then a state inspector's coming in that day. They do it a couple times a year. Yep. They allot they warn them plenty ahead of time before they're there so they can hide all the shit that they normally feed us and make sure that that's all put away. And then all the expired things. Like, literally, I had friends that worked in the kitchen,   and one of the guys,   he said one of the jars of piece cans of peaches they had him open, it was over it it was expired over 10 years. He took it to the kitchen staff, and they told him that's when they canned it. And he's like, it's not Budweiser. It's not the born on date. And then, of course, he got fired from the kitchen. Yep.  



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Like, they give us illegal things all the time. All the time. Well, look at the food industry in general.   You know?   Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Fair.   But just the the idea that they take, you   know, through food   chemicals.   And and it's not that you're taking necessarily   1,   you know, or 2,   but when you combine all the things that you're eating on all the levels from all the different sources, What kind of test tube   environment does that create in the individual that's just participating with, like, processed foods? You know? Yeah.  

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For for me, that's,   why most people can't lose weight because your your fat   is like your body's like junk cabinet. Yep. Yep. Anything your body doesn't know exactly what to do with. It just chucks it into the fat.   And so   the thing is is then when your body goes to use that fat storage up, it still only uses the parts that it it knows how to use. I use That weird shit that leaves in the junk drawer.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Well and also, how many of these things, you know, from shampoos   to what's in the food are hormone disruptors   Yeah. As well. You know?   100%.   And, generally, you know, with the backdoor system, the revolving door of between the food agencies and the federal agencies,   It's just a big big hustle. You know?  

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100%.   It's, it's why we make everything from scratch here. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oh, that's why Rumsfeld really got in there. He was, for years   trying to push aspartame.   Yep. And then he became the head head of the FDA.   Yep. You know? And aspartame is one of the worst fucking things that you could possibly imagine. One of the worst sugars. Oh, yeah. Actually worse than saccharin   and,   causes your body to eat itself because you eat it, and then it says, hey. Sugar's on the way to the stomach. And if then that you get a craving to eat starch or sugar. And if you don't, then your body eats itself.  

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You know? Yeah. Rumsfeld actually added an extra guy on the board   so they can get the the vote to Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Exactly. Gerrymander  

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the the FDA board. Right. And I guess it was a liver drug, and one of the techs, like, stuck their finger in it and tasted it and was like, oh, that's sweet.   You know?  

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Dude, so many weird things that they make into food that absolutely   were not food. Like, margarine was just shit to fatten up turkeys. Yep. Yep. Like   and then they're and then they're sitting there shitting on butter, which butter is   God came down and said, thou shall have butter.  

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Yes.  

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If you if you want to if you want to,   your food to taste good,   butter   followed by cheese.  

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Followed by the bacon. I don't eat that much pork anymore, but   bacon is delicious.  

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My bacon tried to go away and run away yesterday.   She was trying to go get the d. She's all horny. A piglet poke.   Yeah. We had to we had to go chase her down. We were supposed to be shearing yesterday. We lost our shearing day yesterday because we were chasing because   we got a message from the neighbor on Facebook that, hey. A potbelly just wandered by the gate down the road over here, like, 2 miles down the road. We're like, jeez. It's petunia.  

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You gotta wonder how far they can smell   as far as to pick up that scent and head in that direction and you know?  

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They they say, you know, they use them truffle pigs to fucking find truffles under the ground. Right. Right.   Yeah.   You betcha. She was after the d. She tried to do that last year, but got attacked by some dogs. Yep.   Because, actually, she tried to be.  

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I guess she  

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Yeah. She wandered here in the Yeah. She that's just how she came to my house. She just freaking wandered here, and she's lived here for, like, 3 or 4 years now.   So we were gonna let her go, but then those dogs attacked her. And then we so we brought her we went and got her. We're like, oh, can't be having that. Man.   She wants to go off and get some d. You go right ahead. That's you know? That's the nature of the world.   Yep.   Mhmm.   Yeah. We don't we didn't really want a pig. She just moved in. So Yep.  

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I was talking of Japan   concerned about the declining birth rates.   So the government is building what they would consider a matching   app, maybe a dating app,   a government dating app.   You know, people pair up with each other.  

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But the problem being,   the app is gonna end up I mean, those apps are a sausage fest anyways.   You know, the the any girl on there gets 839   messages, like, 12 seconds after she fucking posts her thing.   You know?   So   the problem is is with that with those policies that they implemented where they're they're not able to have, you know, full families   where they're only having 1 2 people are having 1 child.   The problem is is now they don't have any kids to fucking even date.   They their their their replacement is   is dead. It's it's a bad situation. This generation is gonna start having to hump like hell.  



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Well and you see that in all the western world and a lot of Asia.   I mean, you got, you know, Yale,   with   chairman Mao,   you know, and you got the whole one child policy.   You get into   all the club of Rome stuff that's consistently,   you know, preached through education that, you know, humans are a virus on the planet,   and talked about the overpopulation for the past 20, 30 years.   And it's coming to the point where   people have gotten it in their heads that they don't want kids or they only want 1 kid. And and the rate like you said, the rate of replacement is is sinking.  

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It's bad. Israel is Israel is giving free artificial insemination.   Yeah. And they're one of the they're the only country in the western world that has   close to a replacement rate. They don't have a replacement rate. They've got close. Right. And the problem is is at the same time, we're a welfare state.   Mhmm. So   where traditionally   are, you know, the kids would have taken care of the parents when they got older. We've moved into this welfare state where the state does that job, but you still have to have   at least a one for 1.  

Mhmm. Like, if one person is out working,   you know, you might be able to handle a load of an extra person,   but you get above that one for 1,   you start having real fucking problems. And this is why, you know, compared to in the early 1900, we have zero income   tax. And now in this welfare state, in a in a 100 year span, we've moved up to the 30%   range. Well, as the as the   replacement numbers   get lower,   that means that that burden on each individual becomes higher. Higher. Yes.   And that's a that's a failing system. This is how you end up with Logan's Run.  

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Yep. Yep.  

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Yeah. You can't have a a a a system that doesn't have the replacement rate   and also not have   some sort of a system that   deletes people that are no longer able to,   at least be a net   0, if not a net positive to the system.  

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Yeah. That's why I unmuted it. Because Logan's runs the one where they talk they convince everybody that to die early.  

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At 30.  

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Yeah. At 30. Right? That's the one. Right? Carousel. Okay.  

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Yep. Because that's when you look economically,   this is part of why all the all the business is pulled out of our country. So when a large corporation looks at a country, they look at the country's age. If a country's average age   is in the high teens to the low twenties, those are hungry motherfuckers.   Right. They are ready to work. They're ready to have kids. They're ready to do and build, and they aren't expecting a lot out of it. Now you're gonna make they're gonna expect something though, so you're gonna make promises.   And then as that age as that as a whole ages, when you start moving up into the late twenties,   these people are not as productive.  

They're   more intelligent.   So that's really a very prime spot.   But as soon as you start slipping into the thirties,   the actual physical production that is put out by that generation   is starts dropping significantly.   So these are the people that are banking on the knowledge now   of what they did throughout the past   in order to get them into this better position   where they're getting paid really kinda   not to do as much production as the generations before them. But the or after them, but those generations   through the wisdom that you're passing on are able to produce. And once again, that replacement rate thing   where those ones are paying for your position now.  

Then you move on into   the more retirement   phase, which is where our country is. Right. Where for the last 10 or 15 years at least,   you have a bunch of people that were sold a bunch of promises from their teens   coming to collect those checks, but they aren't putting into the system at all, And there's not new people putting into the system for them.   And so all these companies just went belly up, left the country, said fuck you,   and   everybody's screwed.  

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Yeah.   When you tie inflation into that as far as the money printing, and then you tie all the systemic   degradation of culture   that they that they influence through Hollywood and through music.   And it all causes,   it a self implosion   where essentially people are reproducing less,   you know, like,   and it like you're saying, it causes all this long term   woah.   You know?  

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Yep.   Yep. And at some point in time, there's gonna be a critical   point   where there's not enough to take care of the older generation.   The younger generation   is gonna their backs are gonna be broke, and,   this whole system is just gonna cave.   The the younger generation's not gonna want again, this is how you end up with Logan's Run. You guarantee that when that started out, those kids vigorously   killed those older people. And that's where that age gets set. Like  

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But you even look in, any of the dystopian books, you know, and it's like never trust the old   and, like, the older exile because, you know, they don't want them to share the knowledge with the younger generation.   And it, you know, it consistently creates this dichotomy,   and you see it with, even like the Tavistock Institute with The Beatles   and getting into, you know, these various things Generation.   You to separate the generations from one another.  

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Yeah. Manufacture a generation divide that really doesn't exist. Right. Yeah. You know?  

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Well, at first, you had to break up the family unit because that's where that that original   respect for elders   in in giving a shit what they said came from. Right.   Right.  

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Well, they were providing everything, all of the material resources and all of the knowledge to acquire process, manufacture, whatever you have to do. Yep.  

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You know? Well and then also when you get into the schooling system, you know,   I know, like, in the state of Maine,   when they gave all the kids a laptop,   the reading rates just   crushed. They just went down, down, down. So you create this,   this dialectic   where,   people are less and less educated.   And because of the general   bell of the whole,   and you end up with   generation that,   you know and I don't wanna criticize the younger generation,   but I just hear it over and over and over that, you know, nobody and it's not that they don't wanna work. It's that I don't know if they know how to work.  

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Yeah.   Or read. They you know? Exactly. Read. Yeah. Being educated has a lot to do with how you work Right. Because nobody works in a vacuum. Right. You know, you can't just go to your job and do the thing and go home like it's some kinda capsule   you have to function on. Yeah. Yeah. Even if you do a really introverted job like the forest service guy that goes and counts trees Yep. You have to do your reports right. You have turn those in. You're supposed to make a phone call or send an email or send a hard copy of something. Right. And if it doesn't go right, you have to man up   and say, hey, man. I fucked up. Here's what went wrong. I don't know what we're gonna do. You might have to write me up, but we gotta do something about my mistake. And if you don't have that capacity, then the whole thing falls apart. Falls apart. Yeah.  



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And that's well, in a lot of what I do as far as, you know, coordinating with,   like, events and then, you know, I do the art and then I have the various printers for the t shirts. And   if it at any one phase of that,   somebody doesn't do their job and and stay on top of, you know, this this whole production,   then nobody gets paid.   Yep. You know?  

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Yep.  

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Yep.   Yeah.  

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Yeah. We're doing a mad scramble for Flattoberfest   at this point. Yep. Think that they were gonna we didn't think Karen was gonna do it this year, and now she is. And she's doing a awesome,   event that's the venue is really, really,   she got, like, a 50 acre farm.   Oh. And it's just a wonderful venue that's just really made for,   the kind of things that we want to do. And   so it went from not having it to now it's in September even   instead of October.   It's end of September. So, yeah, mad press. And   like you said, any any   fuck up in between then, there's not even any time left to try and Yeah. Remedy that.  

Yeah. Flattimberfest.   Yes.  

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But yeah. I mean, these are, you know,   delicate systems that that people have coordinated and worked   eons to be able to facilitate,   you know, bringing   civilization to where it's at.   I was reading Will Durant,   and he talked about,   Greece at one point   that they went from,   like, upstanding,   you know, family unit   to basically falling into licentiousness,   to realizing that was the problem and going back to the family unit. Then he's like, how many times   does this, you know, half this flux   have to happen?   I mean, it's so it's a well established system,   you know. So when you start bringing in, like, stores like characters   and you start to, you know, to default systems   and, like, you know, it's it's,   it just seems like it's planned,   you know, long term,   like, goal oriented   movement towards   collapsing the grand experiment.  



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It's super fascinating that you said that about Greece like that because,   we all are fairly aware of the end of the Roman Empire and the the the   state of,   the populace   at that point in time and the things that they were doing, the degradation, the sexual degeneracy, the, you know, raging parties,   things like that.   So   that's   then   when Greece   flipped to,   Christianity   so at this point in this now,   the or Greek Orthodox   is one of the   staunchest   Yes. Most, you know, conservative.   Mhmm.   So that's it's fascinating.  

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Yeah. You say that.   In comparison to what they consider the western church   to be, idol worshipers.   Yeah.   Yeah.  

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Yeah. Greek Greek Orthodox is basically the standard for,   you know, right wing at this point. The staunch conservative.  

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Yeah. The Eastern Orthodox   moving into the Russian and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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So that that's pretty fascinating that you say that. Mhmm.  

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But but just the fact that this is a well established pattern   of you know? And like Plato talks about the idea that, you know, you change one note, and it changes the way the society thinks. And, you know, when when you bring in certain ideas through popular culture and media   and, you know, get these kids at a young susceptible age, I know I got wrapped up in a lot of stuff I shouldn't have been wrapped up in. You know? So I I just I see how,   it's it's very tempting.   You know?  

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Well, you know, it's no different than raising a kid. It really isn't. Yeah. Right.   You you you give a kid everything they want. You do everything for them. You take away all their responsibilities,   and that kid is a worthless little shit. Yep. And it it it's   where   when you start making them be   reliable on themselves, making them be accountable for themselves   Mhmm. All of a sudden you start seeing some really useful upstanding   humans.   Yeah. You know, that that are kick that are capable in ways that are just shocking. You see k. 8 year olds able to do craftsman   work that adult men can barely do.  

And all she had to do was let them fucking do it. Do it. And,   yeah. So it's super interesting that the more you   let people do what they want, let them do what feels good. Right. Let them, you know,   give them the all the things that we would think is the   advantageous   things. You've got the best food for free. You've got the best housing for free. You've got all the best stuff,   and you are a useless piece of shit.  

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Yeah.   So,   I was reading,   the melee kids.   This was in the early 1800   when they were documenting   them. They said that by the time they were 6 or 8 years old, they had learned all they could learn from their father as far as fishing and whatnot. And, generally, you know, 6, 8 year olds were moving out on their own, building their own huds, creating their own lives. You know? And and it wasn't looked down on because it was just a natural thing. You know?   And and you go back to the early,   America,   and there was quite a number of kids that that went out early on, you know, in their early teens and made names for themselves and made fortunes. And   and you look at the number of people that,   are in in industry even today   that are high school dropouts that never went to college that you know, it's,   I don't know. You know, the whole Prussian   classroom model   that they've facilitated   in   in in a lot of ways.  

You know, it it   creates the stance of engineering   empire.  

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Yep.   And I I also think that so when they look back at it and they they   state,   Prussia was basically a 3rd world country back then.   I think what they did was   impose   today's   materialist standards   Yeah. Over over onto it. And they're like, look, this is a success. Now like my farm, if all of a sudden everything around us was industrialized, I   would not be happy. I would not consider that a success. I would be so pissed off.   I would be driving out neighbors or leaving myself.   Right?   So   I   I I believe that the Prussian people were probably very, very happy,   as Robbie and I were talking about with that 18/83 where the populace   while they were gaining financially   and industrially   and as a national power became impressive,   their populace was fucking miserable.  

You know, they hated life.  

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Yeah. As the as the corporate law   encroached more and more. But the thing was, as far as the Kaiser's army,   they had,   these Calvinists, these strict Calvinists   that were fleeing Europe at the time,   because of the religious situation.   And they would come into Prussia   and they were upstanding.   They taught morals.   So basically, the, Prussians   were taking these escaping Calvinists   and using them to tutor their children   and to basically instill values.   And that's how they basically build such a strong army for the Kaiser was, you know, these instilled moral values early on,   you know. And then you see the the Roman Empire coming in and basically bringing corporate law and setting up the you know, this whole dichotomy   of, you know and and the school the schooling system,   it's just interesting   going back. I mean, it you know, when Dewey and Mann went over there and they saw the system, they were like, these kids are so well behaved. They know all their letters. They know all their so, you know, the the most direct impression at that time was this was a really beneficial   thing. You know?  

And and so bringing it back but then when they bring it back here and then you overlay the Skinner box over the top of that. You know, basically saying that there's a overarching   authority   in the classroom. So if you have to go to the bathroom, you have to raise your hand. If you wanna talk, you have to raise your hand. And it create it creates the appeal to authority,   which when   after generations and generations of that, you end up with this society   that's constantly looking to the experts   and not appealing to their own, you know, logic.   Yeah.  

You know?  

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Absolutely agree.   Absolutely.   It's very interesting because Christy and I actually had that   experience between us because she's from, you know, Southern California.   And in Southern California, to be a good kid, it's what you would describe out of, like, out of these Prussian kids. They don't cause problems. They are out, you know, they sit there and and they're well behaved and well mannered. And I can't I can't handle those kids. Mhmm. I cannot handle them at all. They freak me the fuck out. Like,   on the flip side, like, my favorite my my grandson that's my favorite,   like, when when Christy meets him,   well, the one I'm closest with. So I love them all equally. The one that I've had the most time with and am closest with.  

So   he he had this thing where   instead of flipping people off at school, they taught him to snap his fingers.   And so you know? Well, he would Oh.   Yeah. You know? He'd Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it it was face. Game intention.   Yeah. You know? So we were visiting tower.   Yep. Yep. And so we were visiting, and and he would call it flicking.   And he he went to it like this behind his his mom's back and Christy and because his mom said something to him and it pissed him off, and he went like that. And Christy goes, I wouldn't do that if I were you. Yeah. And he just looks over and he goes, oh, I would.  

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Kid kids get wily.  

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You betcha.   So so for me, the the the those ones that are like that, they have no personality. They're weird. I always   there was this movie that freaked me out when I was very young where like these adults where these family drove through this fog and then all the kids is iced and fingernails turn black and then they're like killing their parents and shit.   Really weird shit. And that's what I feel like those kids are. I'm like, what the fuck's wrong with you, dude? You're gonna try and kill me in my when I go to sleep or something, you weird little fucker. Like, shouldn't you be out causing trouble?  

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Well but, you know, within society now, it's harder and harder for kids to go out and   experiment and play and get into, you know,   shenanigans without being caught in some sort of a back to the panopticon   and the surveillance and the self editing and, you know, this this whole,   machination of the technocracy.   Yeah.  

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Which honestly, I don't see how   with the move   from rural to urban   Mhmm. Because that's really that's really the thing that doesn't get discussed   that made such a huge difference. That we're   a 100 years ago,   most of people live rurally.   Now most people live   in urban. Like, the the the rural areas are dead. They are fucking dead. Like, every post office, every school,   my whole life, I've been watching schools   close, one will close over here, and now those kids are here, and this becomes,   2 schools only it's 1, and now it's 6 schools, and now it's the whole region.   And you know just   the post offices used to have one in every tiny town and now you got them in half the towns. And now you have them in a quarter of the towns and they're only open for like 2 hours a   day.  

And it's  

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Well, if you go into,   the United Nations white papers and getting into, you know, the Club of Rome stuff, they talk about the slow,   adjustment   of as far as the rural areas, you know, not maintaining the roads as much,   limiting distribution,   basically   causing   people more and more to want to move into these areas of convenience,   you know, by design.   Oh, yeah. And I think that at a certain point, you know,   they've done the reverse   and and,   you know, brought it back and forth to pin it's like when they were instilling all these,   smart cities, you know, in these, prosperity   zones over, COVID when they were having the riots and everybody was being driven out of certain areas so that they could basically go in and develop the smart cities,   you know, with all the 5 g and and whatnot.  

And and so they get all the people out of there, you know, because it's a bad area.   The prices go down. They buy it up cheap. They modernize it. They gentrify it, and then they bring the people back in.   Yep.   Yeah.  

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Communitarianism.  

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Communitarianism   indeed.   Indeed. Oh, so I've got this book on communitarianism   that I was reading, and I'm still reading it. I'm not very far through it. But they were talking about the Russian mirror system,   and they were talking about   basically,   when communist   when communism came in and everybody   was condensed into these little   compacts,   the   mirrors,   that basically there was the upper class and the lower class,   and even the lower class were afraid to leave   because there were certain privileges you got with the mirror   that if you left, you would be denied all those privileges,   and you could never come back. But you had nothing to offer another   mirror. Right. Kinda like a kibbutz. Right? Yes. You end up you end up, being abandoned in the wilderness,   and you live under this, you know,   exponential threat of scarcity,   you know, where you're bound to your little community   even if, it's, you know, not good.  



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Yeah. I'd definitely be interested to check that book out because mostly I've just studied Nikki Rapana's work. So Yeah. Let me see if I can grab it. Hold   on.  

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Is that Mir, m I r?  

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I think you're   I think that's right. I don't know. It's a great question.  

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M I r r o r? Me   how I spell mirror?  

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I've never read this. I've never read any of it, but I thought I I I actually talk about what Sean   says   quite a bit from having him listen to it from Sean. I bring it up actually.  

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Yeah. I mean, the PDFs and stuff are free. So if anybody ever wants them, just let me know. Hit me up on Twitter or whatever.   You know, Nikki Nikki Rapanda, the lady I learned it all from, passed away a few years ago. Her daughter's still around, but she's got 4 kids and she's single now, and she's still suffering and struggling to get on her feet. So she's not really she was not like her mom anyway, so she would have never just took in her place, but she knows   more about it than more about her mom's work than anybody else on earth. But the PDFs and stuffs are free, so I'm glad to put the link out for people if they want it. You know? So it's well worth reading.  

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And, honestly,   to me, it's for me, it's just another phase because we're just seeing a   the same thing as we saw in the homesteader days.   And so they get the homesteaders out to to   build the infrastructure   that they want.   And once things are going right,   and we see them do it with things like,   Bitcoin, you know, they're doing it with that. They did it with Facebook,   where Myspace   built the built laid down the tracks and got the people on the page,   and then Facebook comes in, and now there's no more Myspace. That's that's just fucking a dead platform at this point.   Well, they did the same thing to homesteaders.  

They wanted people out in these areas living and working and producing   so they could have access to the different resources and whatnot of these areas.   They get them out there. They build the infrastructure.   Well, now you don't need them workers no more.  

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Yeah.   It is. It's the same thing over and over again. They just, you know the reason I tell people   to not call it communism or something like that is because it is a rebranding constantly, and it's   aspects. They   of, the aspects they they keep, like, you know, 60, 80% of those old aspects, but then the new stuff is what they're making into laws.   And that's to me, that's the main reason that the word communitarianism   is more important than something like techno technocracy   is because you can find case law all over the world,   then that's the term they're using in the courts,   is communitarian.  

You know? So that's important. You know? Doesn't mean technocracy isn't real. It's pretty obvious that it's real folks who are sitting in it. You know?  

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But as far as the backdoor system through the law system   of subverting the whole system,   you know, these,   these trial laws are basically written by corporations,   introduced, brought in,   you know, field tested.   If they get rejected, they're changed and funded and brought back in consistently. Oh, until they get them in and pass them.   Yep.  

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Yep. I mean, even   it's amazing because even things like   let's take something like,   that in today's world, we automatically assume at what everybody wanted. But, like, women's right to vote. Right. Women didn't wanna vote.   Women were the most touch   opponents   of women's voting.   Like, they're like, nah. We don't want part of this fucking system. No. We have a we have our own position   that we will lose if we join your system. We don't want it. And and so they actually denied it, and that got pushed through by other people. That wasn't like people people have this   imagination that all the women of the of the country are like, no. We wanna vote. We feel like we're not represented.  

That's not what fucking happened at all. Like, they didn't wanna vote and that was forced   in for a reason.   Like and it's super interesting some of the things that have been pushed onto us that we just didn't want as a people.  

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Well, I listen. Listen. Go ahead, Robbie.  

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I was gonna say if you read Edward Bernays,   he goes in specifically,   in regard to women and liberty sticks and how they basically Oh, yeah. Women's liberation,   for the purpose of creating,   a whole another level of taxation   on a class of people that wasn't working   as far as bringing them into the workforce.   You know? Exactly.  

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Capitalize.  

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They wanna capitalize on on that. And it broke up the family unit that is what is the backbone of the the society.  

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I've even read similar things in regard to, Abraham Lincoln and the slavery situation   as far as,   bringing them in as citizens   and basically creating a new taxable class of,   you know, workers.  

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Yeah. I've heard that theory too. Me too.  

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100%.  

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And that Oh, the book I was talking about, there's a book a woman wrote called The Occult History of the feminist movement. The woman named Rachel   her first name is Rachel. I can't think of her last name.   It's worth it's worth checking out, you know, if you're interested because it has a lot of that stuff you were just talking about. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the fact that a vast majority of women   just wanted to stay in the position they were in and that they had to use media and propaganda and movements and, you know, tactics,   You know, just like when someone tries to go get their job unionized, you know, you have to organize. So they organized   to accomplish these things. Now whether or not you think that's for good or for bad, that's for each person to read and decide on their own if they think it's good or bad. But to know that something's been organized as opposed to happening organically, to me, that's a key point. You know, same as,   Rosa Parks. Right? The way they give you the mythology of Rosa Parks is that she was just riding the bus and decided she was tired and she was gonna be stubborn and not move. But then if you go look into the detailed history, it was the 3rd or 4th time they'd sent her out on a bus in attempt to manufacture the Yeah.  

The disagreement that allowed the process to move forward. Now all of us can obviously agree that, probably a pretty good thing to organize so that black people don't have to always go to the back of the bus. Right. So that one's easy to agree on. Now can you agree as easily on the feminist movement and some of these other things? No. People can agree as easily. Right. But here's here's here's the question. Did black people even give a shit?   It's a good question.  

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Like, did they care that they sat in a different section of the bus and that it was at the back? Did anybody fucking care? Because that's the thing is these they they seem to manufacture these things out of things none of us care about. Like, again, with the women's right women's voting right to vote, blah blah, women didn't want it.  

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Yeah. You guys came I think,   I think when you look at those different positions and perspectives,   I think,   you know, you have to look at the idea of   are people being oppressed.   You know? And if people are being oppressed, then I think those systems,   you know, organically on some level,   press for change. But like you're saying, when you see these things that are organized,   that are, you know,   purposefully,   presented   as dialectics   through media, you know, that's a whole another thing. Yeah.  

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Right. Yeah. When all the agents   promoting it are paid agents, that there's no,   natural agents that   grassroots. Right. Right. Right. Right. Like with women for women   so   that created when they came into the voting pattern without having,   2 things   that having to sign up for the draft.   Right. Now there's an now you've made an imbalance. Mhmm. That's very odd. Now you've put people into this position.   The moral high ground. And the women's suffered in the women's movement that was against voting, that was one of their main reasons.   Like, we hold we're we've hold the moral high ground here. Right. And we don't wanna give that up.  

And you do.   Like, now that you voted for now that you're in the system, you don't get to have a moral high ground here. Right. You know? It's just  

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But then you have examples like,   Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, you know,   basically where they had to go in and they were raising,   Pete. But, you know, again, Martin Luther King, how involved was he, you know, with Payola and, Compromat   and various things. But   presenting the situation   of, you know, judging a man by his his, character and not his skin color,   and raising that that,   the march and all the miscellaneous things. You know? And then, you know,   was he  

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assassinated, or was he set up to make an example like we were talking about Alex Alex Jones again? Yeah. Yeah. A negative association. Like, hey. If you do this Yeah. Then bad things might happen to you, so you better not. Right? That's why most people pay their taxes because they've heard enough   reports on the news that Willie Nelson Willie Nelson.   Right. Who was the other guy? The Yeah. Wesley Sipes and Willie Nelson. Willie Nelson. There you go. Exactly. Those are they come right into your mind. Like, man, you're sitting there looking at that form and that bottom line, and you're thinking, I know this isn't as legit as they say it is. I've I've I've watched all the documentaries.   But, you know, you still sign your your name down there and send the money because you don't want to deal with the The secret police.  

Oh, we don't want people coming with guns reminding you who's actually in charge and say, hey. You know?   We don't wanna shoot, but we're gonna probably have to sell everything you own, so please stand back. Right. As we take your studio  

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That's right. Yeah. Matriarch disappeared with this whole process. Oh.   She was she was separate and above, honestly, what the men did. The men ran the fucking home, the home, the farm.   But   the when the matriarch said there was something morally wrong,   everybody fucking told that line.   Every motherfucker. You didn't have to vote.   You didn't all that system's dead because the moral high ground got spoken, and that's gone now.   100%.   Now they play men's games without men's penalties.   Mhmm. It's a weird system.  

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And the whole voting system, you know, has become farcical.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That that that it we all know that it wasn't real in the first place that even back in the day, they were doing things like going in and voting 2 and 3 and 4 times. There's a a million stories about it where Using the roles of the dead. Yeah. Absolutely. Everything. Yes. Yeah.  

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But I just thought it was funny this last election, you know,   after all the mail in ballot shenanigans,   and they were like, it's the most secure election ever in the history of the Yeah.   That's how you just know right away that they're   throwing it in your face.  

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Yeah. That's the big lie that they have to tell to make it seem to pass the sniff test. Right. Right. Are you sure this is dog food or is this burnt blood? I can't tell.   Yeah. Straight up. That's why  

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they actually had this face off when the Al Gore and and   Bush presidency,   and they just about took that to the, you know,   made that a real big public spectacle, and all of a sudden, it just  

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it just died. Al Gore, he he turned back.   He was standing there with the gavel in his hand, and he said, okay. I'm just gonna let it go by. I'm just gonna let it go. Yeah. Yeah. And and he the whole reason he did that is because  

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while absolutely the Republicans cheated,   they're like, yeah. But once we start opening this evidence, then all the democrats cheating on the court. We've all cheated. Exactly. Yeah. We all fucking cheated. All's we're gonna do is completely   wipe out any,   value that the voting system has. Nobody will believe anything we say if this goes through, and so they had to let it go.  

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Yeah. That's what I saw people saying about this Trump thing. It's like, you know, whatever charge I haven't looked at any of the details, so I don't know. But whatever the charges and everything were,   oh, I talked to you. I had an interesting situation happen. I went and bought some stuff off Facebook, of course, and I ran into this guy who's, was successful in business, and he was talking about how he was honest and his budget is part you know, they were all honest business people, but that it was almost impossible to function   because everyone's dishonest in business. You know? And I think he was pretty fucking successful because he created this, like, help the veterans in Idaho thing where he's taking donations and just supplying people shit if they're up short. You know? Like, you just got out of prison or just got out of the rehab or whatever, and you're trying to get back on your feet or, you know, you got wiped out in a hurricane. You you need a house, you need furniture, you need clothes. This guy just got it all stockpiled because he's taken thousands of donations.  

And,   so,   I lost my train of thought. Sorry, guys.   Oh, well,   it don't matter.   We were talking about something. It was tied to that, but it's,  

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Crooked businessmen.  

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Crooked business in an illegitimate voting system.  

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Oh, yeah. Voting.   What was it?   I love how he said, oh, yeah. Voting. Like that somehow. Yeah. I know. That did. It almost triggered something, but it's just not it's just not there. Oh, well.   I'm gonna give up. Mark it on the calendar. Sean Sean couldn't keep talking.  

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Sometimes sometimes the flow, you get lost in it.  

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Yeah. This is a vote of no confidence.  

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Hold on, Alan. I got something for you here. Hold on. Just a second. Uh-oh.   Here you go.  

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Yep. Yep. 100%.   And I mean, we're not here. Pretty much there now anyways,   especially after   the,   Biden election, you know, trying to tell us that more people voted for him than anybody ever historically, and nobody believes   that. Even the Democrats don't believe it. And we're at this weird point of emperor wears no clothes,   where they blatantly know it's wrong and it's lies, both teams. Yeah. And they will still hold that line,   you know,   not even caring that they're completely full of shit. Not even caring. Well and what I find I mean,  

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to me, it's probable   that,   you know, Biden's a sock puppet for policy in regard to because you look at,   all the war spending. You look at the student loan. You look at the immigrants. You look, you know, flying immigrants in. You look at the sanctuary cities. You look at all of these machinations   where they're just throwing money in so many different directions, and the money printing is continuing to climb and climb and climb. And you if you read Marks and Ingalls,   they talk about, you know, at the fragile state at the end of capitalism,   you know, when when they basically   printed themselves into, you know, un un,   retainable,   capital, you know,   that essentially   throwing all that money everywhere,   is for the purpose of collapsing the economic system. Yeah. So that they can basically   move capitalism   into socialism   and create a larger nanny state, you know.  

And you already see that going on to a great extent.   You know?  

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And the people begging for it. People begging for it. Yeah. You know? We want an nanny. We want we want somebody to make us our make us our our our warm milk and change our diaphy and put us down for naps and stuff. We want  

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that. In the, what is it? The,   base income that they're talking about trying to it's done experiment.   Basic income. Yeah. Universal basic income. And, you know, people are like, oh, yeah. With all the money they're printing, you know, maybe some of that could help the people on some level. But the thing is, you keep printing money and printing money and printing money without the means of production   to give the money worth,   then what you end up doing is is Turn up wines.   Yeah. Imploding the system. Curd up wines.   Mhmm.  



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Okay. You know, I know that them giving you the food sounds great until you spend 4 hours in a fucking turnip line.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   What was it in Russia they would say, you know, they'd be walking down the street, and they'd be like, oh, there's a line. I better get in it. Maybe, like, what's the score? And they The man who trained me, Robbie, to be a wheelchair technician  

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smuggled his family of 8 out of Russia by paying a bribe in the nineties. And he told me that they would stand in line all day, that his mother would stand in line for 6 hours in the freezing cold, and then somebody'd knock her down and rob her a fucking 3 loaves of bread. You know? And they wouldn't even know what they were standing in line for. It's just like lined up because there's yeah. It's something. It's something. Something. You know? Yeah. Yeah.  

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It's crazy. I need something.  

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I got nothing. I need something. Queued up to use the lavatory?  

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Maybe. Now that's   my grandma told me that at the state fair that her and her friends used to make a line in between rides, and then they'd wait until it really got long, and then someone would raise up their voice and say, thank you for joining our line. Have a great night. And then walk away, you know. Walk away.  

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Lummings.   Lummings.   Going over the cliff.   The blind leading the blind.  

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Yikes.   Yeah. I don't wanna stand in turn of blinds.  

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Mhmm. No. It turns people most people to at least some level of criminality because   once you're pressed that hard.   Yeah. You know, you're you got a infant and it's starving? Well, you know, the possibility to take action on the infant's behalf changes.   Yeah. You know?   Yeah.   You tell him, Hank. Henry. I heard Henry agree with me here.  

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I'll let everybody know they're there.  

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Yeah. We got race cars at Allen's house in Peacocks that, so we got both sides represented here. We got the the urban and the rural.  

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Yes. They are rocking the boat outside or rocking the boat. Don't know. I'd like to see some race car driving,  

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birds.  

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Oh, I agree. I agree. If we're gonna have AI do anything, give give control of these NASCARs over to the peacocks and let's do fucking win.  

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Yeah. I'm ready. Yeah. The the the thing that they never take into account with that and and this is   you see this kind of thought process in these people where they say things like, why don't you buy you know, why do you need to kill animals? Buy your meat in a store.   And they they don't understand where things come from. And you see this in a lot of, like, these,   younger   real crazed,   urban women that are saying things, the feminists that say things like they don't need men.   Well, that's because you are living this world where you don't understand any of your infrastructure.   You think that water comes out of a faucet because you turned on the faucet and that's how that happened, and all the rest of it is not in your head in any way, shape, or form.  

And so this same thing   applies   when we're looking at the the   this universal basic income.   So   when you start giving away free food without   somebody producing free food well, the thing is we keep saying free food. And so the motherfucker putting in the work to make that food, he don't like it being free. Right. That that's the whole goddamn thing. And when you start   promoting these systems,   you end up getting a whole bunch of people   that want the free and no people that want to work to provide the free. Mhmm.   And so   you end up with   they're gonna give you equal distribution   of whatever's had,   but what is to be had   starts shrinking dramatically   as the people who are doing the producing and not being compensated for their production,   Like, if I'm the one out fucking   working this field, I'm eating good, motherfucker. Not you.  



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Well, that's like the whole Wendy's tomatoes.   You know?   How if they if they charge just something like a penny more,   you know,   then all these workers will be making a a better wage.   You know? But industry, you know, wants to it's like the whole, you know, peanuts on the airplane where if we just take out 1 peanut.   And so then you begin to have this race to the bottom   where you have,   what's it called? Where they shrinkflation,   where everything is less and less but cost more and more. You know? Yeah.  

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Which is where we are in the world, boys and girls. All we want is could could you imagine if they give us the measurements for the size of cereal boxes in 1986?   We'd be shocked how big how huge they were.  

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Yep.   The easy bake oven. All that you had a light bulb in there that was supposed to bake your brownies?  

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Yep. Yeah. I remember seeing those things. Girls I knew played with those.  

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I was at several brownie baking experiences.  

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I also have been at a variety of brownie baking experiences. I've even been the baker sometimes. Yep. Believe it or not. I know. Right?   That one's even got Betty Crocker fucking logo on it. In terms of if you put too much butter in the brownies, it doesn't really make them taste that much worse. I mean, you have to put way, way, like, triple the amount Oh, yeah. To make them bad. You know?  

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And more butter is almost never a bad thing. Oh.   Butter is the bad.  

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Yeah. Me and my buddy, Johnny, when I used to grow weed with him because he had a broken neck, you know,   so that was his main medicine. He just wanted to smoke weed all day,   and it helped a lot. You know? But, we called my mom and said,   what's the she's a baker, a very an excellent master what I'd call master baker. You know, she she could bake it all, period.   We asked her, what's the highest   butter content of any sweet   treat that you know of? Mhmm. And so she said, well, just make Russian tea cakes because that's just butter and flour and sugar. You know? Mhmm. And,   so we did. And, of course, the marijuana butter turns them green. Yep. And so we just call them Dutch tea cakes, you know, and they're only about that big around about a half as big as the golf ball, maybe smaller. And, one time, I was making the butter, and I was telling myself all day stirring that butter, I'm not gonna eat any of these fucking cookies because you just keep licking the spoon. Yep. You just keep licking the spoon, keep licking the spoon, and pretty sure you're non pretty soon you're pretty close to nonverbal, right on the edge of nonverbal.  

And, so I did that, and I promised myself I'm not gonna eat any of these cookies when they come out of the oven.   And I was wrong,  

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and I ate 2 of them. Yep. And then I drove  

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I don't recommend this, people. Then I drove to my friend's house and played in a card game, and it was the only time that they kicked me out of the game.   They've they've   forcibly removed me from the game and forced me to take my money back out of the pot, the main kitty,   because I was just sitting there. And I'd look at my cards, and I'd look at the cards in the middle. And I'd put my hand on my chips,   I'd look back at my cards,   I look at the cards in the middle, and this just went on for probably went on for an hour before they're like, you're done, bro. Done. Like, alright. You guys are that was so,   so wasted.  

Yep.  

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It happens.  

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If you get higher than that, you lose touch with, the concept of time, and it feels like Armageddon.   Yeah.   That's what happens next if you've never done it, folks. So be warned. I wouldn't want it. It's not like smoking it. If you eat too much, you want to eat. Caramel  

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for the highest butter content.  

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Yeah. This caramel that I've got,   access to is pretty   damn buttery, Ben. Mhmm. But, yeah, that's confection is a little different than bacon.   We I didn't wanna have to to make candy on the stovetop. I didn't have any double boilers and all that shit.   You don't wanna smell a sugar fire.   Burnt sugar sucks, man. It sucks. If you bake a cake and burn it, it's not a big deal. It's kinda shitty. But if you catch sugar on fire, it's   And it's like no problem. You can't get it off. Yeah. You can't. You there's there's double boilers that gives for a reason. If you see a little old lady using a double boiler in a YouTube video, you fucking use it too or you don't do the procedure. Because if you dump liquid sugar onto the open flame, you could have a fire that you don't know how to put out. Just  

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Yeah. We've got a we've got a 6 spot double boiler.   Cool. That's cool, bro. Pans it can drop in for this stuff like that.  

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Hell, yeah. Yeah.   That makes me excited. I'm coming to your house.  

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Yeah. It's pretty nice. It's   yeah.   Okay.  

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How far are you guys from the Avenue of the Giant?  

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12 minutes. Miles as the, crow flies, but Well, as the crow fly as the crow flies, I would 12 12 minute 12 minutes, Ben said. So I would have put it in about 8 miles as the crow flies. We're we live right on top of it. Oh, nice. Drive. But, yeah, it takes it takes you know, you gotta go   out the mountain this way and then around  

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and then back Oh, I've been to the Sierra Nevadas. I understand. There's no way to get even as the crow flies, even if you had a helicopter or an airplane, it wouldn't be an easy task   to get there.   Yeah. They'll get the body out of the canyon, but the car is gonna stay at the bottom of the canyon forever.   They also may not get the body. That's right. They may not. They they'll try for you. They're gonna make an effort to get the body.   Yeah. They'll try if they don't always get it. The the birds might get it first, and then the coyotes will notice that the birds are getting it, and they're gonna get it. And you don't wanna know what else might get it. Also bears are good opportunists  

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and mountain lions. And   everyone over here, they call it mountain lion jump, and these mountain lions will jump down this cliff, and they'll literally be in the air, like, 30 feet. And they just That's awesome. They just, like, attack a deer. Like  

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That's cool.  

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Yeah. It's wild around here.   That's why I enjoy shows like that 18/83.   Like, I get it. You know?   It's not as hard it's not as hard as all that. Although that one makes that one makes me tick that one did make me tickle pink too because it's like,   you know, the understanding that   the Dakota Territory and Wyoming then,   that was the worst area in the world as far as most people considered were concerned. Like, California,   all that shit had already been civilized.   You know? It's only that one area   right there in the Midwest that, like, there was no taming that, and it's still barely tamed.  

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Yeah.  

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They call it badlands for a reason. Yeah.  

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They are badlands.   Going through there. It's, if you were I don't know. You know, you see, like, in the show there,   then the yell one of the Yellowstone shows how the Native Americans are escaping the school,   and they're going through the badlands.  

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Like, if you Yeah. In that 1923   1?   Yeah. Oh, man. That's just amazing. Fucking watch. I can only watch, like, 20 minutes of that at a time. Yeah. Like, when them fucking Catholics are fucking abusing them little girls or something. Like Yep. Oh, god.   Oh, god. I don't you know? And the thing is is   that is so much more recent than people realize. Yeah. Again,   as a when I was a young boy,   there was,   you did not go out to the Black Hills and and go into the rest of the areas freely. So   there's a George, Mickelson.   He was the governor, and when he was a young man and rising to power, he,   most people believe he raped and, killed an 8 year old. I think it was an 8 year old little native girl. And then they let him walk on it. You know, they they they charged him with it. He he he, they let him walk on it.  

And that was happening a lot back then. There was a whole bunch of native girls just Yep. Showing up dead and raped and beaten.   And,   the natives had it with it, and so they,   the National Guard had to get called out on that shit and everything.   People don't realize how often that happens, and it's and it's very recent.  

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Yeah.   Well, I mean, that stuff was going on when this book was published.   You know?   Like,   that's not that long ago.   No.   Like, look at, what is it? The Scorsese, killers of the flower moon   that came out recently   and just how that goes into   the American diet and the effects of the fire water and all the machinations   of the slow poisons and just the you know? It's and how they went through systematically   and just stole the wealth.   You know?  

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Gross.  

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Yeah. It is gross.  

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And it's interesting because   if we   because those those particular people have no ability to war. They have no ability to police   or hold themselves up. We have to hold them up. And the first time that our people and this is why it's interesting.   So, like, when you look so let's take something   like the the Scottish rebellion when Scotland became a country. Robert the Bruce   Mhmm. The first thing he did was go kill all those people upholding   England. So the any any of the nobles that were trading,   their power   for English land.  

And that way, you know, England these nobles in order to keep them in line, he would get they would give them land over in England, so they gain money. And then that allows the king to keep his power over in Scotland.   Well,   Robert the Bruce went around and killed all those guys.   So that and that's super interesting.   And it's and it's what it has to happen every time because Yeah. If you've got people on your own team fighting against you, you can't win. It doesn't matter.  

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Well, that's you know, they say,   that it's gonna be, you know,   a matter of collapsing it from the inside   if anything's ever gonna take. You know, the nation stayed out.   And,   it's,   just in comparison to   the traditional rights we've been guaranteed and the miscellaneous,   you know, all these things have been thrown under the bus.   And, you know, we're in this state of of,   I hate to say decline, but it it is, some sort of decline.   You know?   But that's the whole thing. Like, as far as the atrophy of the nation itself, you know, what can we do to try to,   you know, do anything in regard to the machinations of the   machine, you know, in rebellion and and, I mean, art, music,   you know, doing these type of shows where we're informing people of, you know, broader ideas. I mean,   culturally, I think, you know, there there   great and beautiful culture.  

It's just unfortunate to see the state of empire. You know?  

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Yeah.   Mhmm. I I I the the problem is is   and this is no different than when Christie got divorced.   Her ex husband offered them kids everything.   You know? And and then anything that,   as long as they rejected us, they were they were,   given prizes. And   and so   the whole thing is is you can't it's hard to convince people. And again, you got these adults are basically children at this point, emotionally and mentally.   Right. And to convince them that this thing that isn't   the like, with her with her ex husband, as as soon as they were getting divorced, he literally bought a big screen TV and put a big screen TV and a PS whatever.   You know? In each of their rooms,   gave them each everything.  

And as long as they were, you know, being shits over here, you don't have to do chores at at your mom's house. That's not your house. Blah blah. You know? And,   to try and convince those kids,   they see it, at least one of them now, as an adult sees the games that got played and sees how detrimental that was. But as a kid, the one experiencing it, you know, of course, you take the one that's gonna give you all the things that you want. Right. Right.   And and we can't expect that any different out of the populace.   And so when they're over here going, universal basic income, you get free   stuff. You don't gotta work for it. You're gonna have no responsibility.  

You know? Well, fuck yeah. I wanna fucking slave away all day for a shitty check. That's what I want.   And I'm like, who says that?  

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Well, and that's where you get down to the arguments between the Epicureans and the Stoics.   As far as the Epicureans seeking pleasure for the sake of pleasure or the stoic almost turning   against the   system and being the skeptic.   You know?   Yeah. The long long standing dichotomy and culture.  

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And one that the stoics have lost quite some time ago now. Yes. Yes.  

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Because people people seek pleasure.  

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Hedonist society   to the max.  

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Yeah.  

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Whatever feels good.  

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Right.  

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You betcha. As long as it feels good, that's all that counts. No matter what the actual end   result   of it, that feeling good in the moment, that's just fine. And we wonder why everybody's addicted to fucking massive amounts of substance in this society   because that's the society. Their phones  

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and food and I mean, there's, you you know, so many self self soothing behaviors   that Yeah. You know,   even I'm guilty of participating in. You know?   It's  

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the nature of the beast. Well, some of it because I'm not a, complete you know, I'm not a stoic. I'm not a Greek. Yep.   So I'm okay with some of it, I think, you know, in moderation.   Like myself,   that I won't like,   part of the reason my family is all horribly obese.   Well, I don't keep eating after I'm not hungry anymore.   I don't keep shoving it in my face. And that's the whole reason I'm not fat.   Mhmm. Like, they keep eating and eating and eating even though they're the hunger's gone. They've been satiated.   They still keep doing it. And and now   eventually after doing that enough, long enough,   they're so used to their stomach being completely expanded   that when it's not completely bloated out, it starts feeling similar to hunger because it's starting to shrink back and there's a little bit of a void there. Yeah. So they fucking gotta fill that up right fucking now.  

And   the the this is absolutely insane.   And   you but, again,   trying to convince people to have even a slight bit of self control in this fucking society is just a dead dead thing, they will instead tell you fat's beautiful.   And you're an asshole for saying it's not. Like,   they they they've taken it  

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completely horribly the other way where not only are we gonna do it, we're gonna make it so that's the good thing. That's the thing. That's the right thing. Interestingly, you know, they say, oh, you can't eat eat these meats. You know? Eat these things that are healthier.   Like, they they recommend doing all these things for the sake of betterment   while simultaneously   promoting,   you know, harmful body images through media. Yeah.   You know? So there's that that, you know,   aspect   of counteroppositional   forces,   creating that Hegelian   dialect   where the mind doesn't know   necessarily which which is true or which is right.  



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Yeah.   Mhmm.   You know, the brilliance of it is is that they own both sides because they   because   similar   to god emperor of Dune, where when he's talking about where when   dude asks the emperor and he's like, why don't you just get rid of the rebels if you know where they all are and where their leader is? And he's like, well, those are my known enemies.   And if I get rid of them,   enemies that I don't control   and don't have   know what's going on, I don't have them put in this little box,   they will appear because that no matter what, that spot needs filled. Fillable. They have it filled with a controlled   Mhmm. Position rather than an uncontrolled one. And so they have that same brilliance. They put in they know that people are gonna start rejecting it, so they put in the controlled opposition   in order to funnel that energy into where they want it. Right.  



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Nature of whores a vacuum.  

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Yes.  

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Yep.   You betcha. They know that.  

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Hold on. The nature of a whore is a vacuum? You gotta explain this. I mean, on the most   physical principle, I guess I understand.  

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John.  

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Oh, John. Oh, the 2 vacuums.   Yeah. It's 2 different I guess, really, that's the vacuum and the other one's pseudo vacuum or 1 on each end.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Take your   time. I can't see.  

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Yeah. I can't see the cover of a Mexican train Domino's box without having just fucking horrible thoughts rush into my head. It's terrible. Yeah. You know? The Mexican train is open.   It is always best to think about the homies, and I'm like, I don't wanna know about it. If you guys are doing that shit, just keep it to yourself, bro. You know what I mean? I know it happens, but I don't wanna know any details.  

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It's fucking hilarious.  

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Can't believe we got this caught off. The nature of a horror is a vacuum. That's right up there with,   France is bacon. Remember that famous Reddit post?   Yeah. Yeah. Where the kid admitted that, his dad, you know I don't remember the rest of the quote right now, but, you know, like, his whole life, he thought that there was some deep metaphor that the country of France was represented as Bacon. And then, you know, one day you realize like, oh, no. It's a guy. Think that's probably the most influential guy out here, and we just kinda they successfully minimized him. You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he was a scandal in his own time.   Absolutely.  



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Yeah.   He got kicked out of the senate and go ahead. Go ahead. No. You go. You go. Oh, I was just saying,   Bacon,   just the fact that he got kicked out of the senate and then he went in seclusion and wrote all these things that became policy.   You know?  

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Yeah. Kinda like I never thought of this till just now, but like Machiavelli.   Yeah. There's a parallel. We could we could, take that as a route to study the parallel between Machiavelli and, and Francis Bacon. Anyway, Ben, go ahead.  

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So, Christy, that event that and it's getting ready to come up, but you guys have all heard about it, Danish days. Oh. So there's this family in, at the Danish days, and I get along with the little boys in this family. There's some little fucking ruffians and I I enjoy my time with them and they enjoy their time with me and it's great.   And Christy this whole time   for like 4 or 5 years, I thought she when when she says it, I swear to God, I thought she was saying Octo Bros.   So I'm thinking this family has 8 little boys   and, you know, like, these guys are, like, they're the Octo Pros, you know, like   and and and all my dad is boys.  

And so I'm like Where's the rest of them? You know, and I'm just like, there must be like 5, like 4 or 5 more of them running around somewhere like 8 of these guys.   And then what and then,   one of the wives was walking by, and she had a name tag on, and it said Octobrove.   Octobrove. Octobrove. Octobrove. Octobrove.   And I was like,  

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oh. Oh, it's your name.  

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Yeah. It's just your name. There isn't 8 of them. It's it's that's just your name.  

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Yeah. No. I like Octobros.   I like the idea of 8 badass little Danish kids. We That's that's what I was thinking this whole time. Yeah. We should kick those guys around too as far as the psychological   experiment.   I felt like, I told Jim the story that, you know, he told me the story about when he got frustrated making his bird sculpture, and he froze it and smashed it. And in my mind, I fabricated this whole idea that after that, he continued to sculpt on the same piece, and it became perfect. That part didn't happen. Jim started from scratch. You know? Yep. But so to me, I still use that inspiration that I had because it really inspired me. Like, damn, Jim's a bad motherfucker.   Make a strategy to freeze it and break it and then sculpt it the rest of the way. Like, that's crazy. Well, it should never happen, but I still like the concept, so I keep it. So I say we keep the Octobros too. Let's not let those guys go.  

Exactly.  

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8 badass little They just superheroes.   Yes.  

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And then if we get it going good enough, we can tell them, hey. Did you guys know you have a cult that follows you around?  

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Yeah.   So, I've got this shirt that I'm taking out this summer. And then on the front, it says cult leader, and on the back, it says, yeah, on the back, it says, follow me.  

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Well, you're brave to wear that shirt, bro. You could gather up a cult at just one Grateful Dead show. I'm wearing it I'm wearing it at one of the festivals, man. Woo hoo. That's awesome. That. Are you coming to the hog charm sometime this year?  

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Man. I get through there occasionally.   Every,   I don't know, 3, 4 years, something like that. You swipe by. Let me know. Yeah. Okay.  

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Like Harborville is only, like, what, 25 miles from Laytonville?  

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Yeah. Okay. There's a hotel south of the hog farm that I usually hit when I'm in that area.   But the last time I was there was a big string cheese thing with Mike   and some other stuff. So  

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Yeah. I'm just up the road from there. I passed by. They're fairly regular.  

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Nice.   Yeah. It's a decent little venue right there on the Snake River.  

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Yep. Yep.   The eel.  

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Anything to look at on your oak tree here?   Yep. The Linktree.   I got the, website, the Etsy, the Instagram,   Facebook, the Twitter,   and then the podcast.   Yeah.  

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Tropical night, Sierra, Maya, Mexico?  

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Yep. Yep.   An international incident.  

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Nice.   That's cool.  

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But that's the,   in the Mayan culture, every year,   they will, put out all the fires   and then basically have no fire for, like, 3 days. And then they light the fire,   usually with a lens.   And they call it the divine fire from heaven,   and, they'll spark a fire with a lens   and then redistribute   that fire to the whole community   every year. You know? So he's he's, like, carrying the he's carrying the fire there in his hands.   And that was at the same time when you remember when the   beam of light shot out of some of the pyramids in South America? Uh-huh. Yeah. So that's the beam of light shooting out of the pyramid there.  

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Awesome. That's great, man.  

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Thanks for explaining it. Yeah. And then, they told me when I was making that that I had put more clothes on the women.   So  

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Aw.   Yeah. Like the the Vatican after it went sideways.   You would now you want me to paint everybody has a flying handkerchief in front of them? Thank you. Are you sure? Yeah. I know. Right?   I I know you know what I'm talking about.   I know Jim does too.   You know, all those paintings originally that you see didn't have flying,   fabric in them. Those people were all just naked.   Win win nudity was a beautiful thing. You know? Yeah. Yeah. When the human body was representative of something divine. Right? Right. You mean, like, in Custer's revenge?   Yes. Amen, brother. Bring it full circle. If that's not a weave, I don't know what it is. Yeah.  



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Could be felt if it's There you go. Made from spiders  

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on a web. I don't know. What what really gets me about the whole art thing is when you get into the modern art movement and just the whole intelligence   funded of, you know, Jackson Pollock and all these   Yeah.   To   to basically   take away from natural beauty   and and to get people more into   things that are,   you know, ugly, essentially.  

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We'll call ugly   beautiful even worse than just getting into things that are ugly. Look at ugly and call you know, Mark Rothko is beautiful.   Right. Like, I don't know, man. Martha Rothko is kinda weird. I never understood his art at all until I went to the Met and they had a room set up, and then I at least got it.   But   it's not   it doesn't take skill  

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No. To put a figured out this afternoon. Yeah. Yeah. Well and that's like Mutt   who, took that, that Yeah. What was it?   Yeah. Marcel Duchamp signed the urinal. Yeah. Took the urinal, turned it on the side, and signed it or, you know, mud.   It was it was the idea of,   bringing in found objects.   You know? And I'll tell you what. I was at the,   the,   Museum of National Art at the Smithsonian Washington DC. Right?   And, you know, it kinda spirals up and up towards the top. I came around the corner,   and there was   a image that was probably 10 foot by 20 foot   of this woman   from behind with bondage gear on   with, you know, moistness dripping from herself   and, like, you know, just outright, just some of the most   blatant of seen pornography  

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that, you know, you yeah. And you walk around a corner, and it's just, like, right there for the kids and the soccer moms and for everybody. And I was like, wow. I was just like, wow. As an artist That's far out. Yeah. Yeah. It it threw me for a loop, you know, at the time. So Right. Because people don't realize. That's why people work really big. If we can afford to get them to fund just to blow every one of your posters up to 8 feet on the long side, we could really be looking at something. You know, it's you'd see it different. Everyone would see it different. They do that with bondage pornography. It makes it shocking. You know? Yeah. And then you stick it in the middle of, you know, the the In this the honored sacred spot.  

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Yes. Yeah.   So anybody can just walk around the corner, and it's right there in your face. The water's growing.  

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Yeah.   That's gross.  

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Well but that's the whole thing. You know? What is art? I mean, technically, you can argue anything's art, but, I mean, some is more sacred and some is more   demeaning. You know?  

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Right. I think I think that's just nonsense. We've gotten to,   we've gotten too subjective,   you know, where anything can mean anything, and that's just bullshit.  

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Right. That's bullshit.   Oh, art was supposed to be based on beauty. I mean, it wasn't just a concept that 1 or 2 guys had. That was the foundational meaning of art, was that there's 7 was there 7 attributes of beauty   of what it means to be beautiful, you know, like, there's rules about what it means to be beautiful, and they they scratched all that shit out, you know. Yeah. Like You know, if Andy Warhol takes a picture of a bunch of fucking camels can, that's not art. Yeah. It's not art. Oh, and he's the one that said it.   Art's what you can get away with. He's doing it straight out. You know? Exactly. And Andy Warhol was doing some reasonably  

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decent stuff.   I I mean, he had screen print units that were, like, 20 feet wide, and he was pulling 20 by 30 foot screen prints. I mean, you know, the skill, the technical aspects. But when you get into,   you know, basically just taking a can and reproducing it,   It it, you know, it it's the birth of, quote, unquote, commercial art. Yeah.   Yeah.  

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It's weird. It's a weird thing, man, because they I I I was following this, painter,   a very famous,   painter from this era that we're talking about. Of course, I can't think of his name right now. It's Morris, something Morris.   Mhmm. But he,   it's because I read this book by Tom Wolf called   the the painted page or   the paint in print. You know, it's like him writing about how the painting wars went on and how things changed from Caravaggio and beauty and all that shit   in into this, nonrepresentational   stuff that we're also familiar with and how it came down to,   intentionally creating the painting so it has no depth. So stop priming the canvas   and just dump paint across   an unprimed canvas Right. In such a way that there's no so you're no longer you can't look at it and get any concept out of it. Right. It's just color on an empty on a, literally, an unprimed field. Yeah. You know? And then  

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Even Pablo   Pablo Picasso,   he was an anarchist deconstructionist.   Absolutely. He would use the I blame him for the whole thing, Robbie. It's his fault. He fucking did it. He did it. He would go down to the hardware store and buy the cheapest paint that was, like, miscolored   and basically take that and knowing it was gonna break down, knowing that it was, you know, shitty materials to work with.   Whereas you go back to the old masters, you know, and they were, like, trying to use, like, the purest of the pure and, like Yeah. Building it and, you know, it's it's a it's a whole different   conceptual understanding of manufacturing. You know? It is.  



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Yeah. I've got some of those old books on my shelf about paint recipes and glass blowing and all that stuff,   you know, on diverse art. I recommend that book highly. It's short. I listened to it. It's only about 2 and a half, 3 hours long. Okay. And it's well it's what we're checking out. You know? Yeah. I like Tom Wolf's stuff.   Yeah. I always liked it. But he's a lecturer too late after test. Right? Yep. And Yeah.  

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And then he's got the vanities. Yeah. He's ridden a lot of his stuff. Yep.   What's the, tangerine colored Cadillac, I think, is one of them? Oh.   He's,   oh, and the Woodpecker.  

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No. I think you're getting 2 guys mixed up there, man. Tom Wolf and, Tom Tom Robbins. Tom Robbins? Tom Robbins. Yeah. You're right. You're right. Yep. Yep. Yeah. That's alright. Just because,   as a librarian   changed my life years ago, I went and told her I didn't like horror fiction anymore. I had to have something else that she handed me.   Tom Robbins, Jitterbug perfume, and,   Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle, and completely changed my life forever. Like, knocked me out of the park. You know? Yeah. So, interestingly,  

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I've got a Tom Wolf connection.   I did the   cover, like, the poster   for for the Haight Ashbury documentary. It's on   Amazon right now. But if you looked at Haight Ashbury,   Tom Wolf did the narration for it.  

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Awesome. Yeah. I want you to check that out.   Cool.   I wonder how many people find your art at the they're tripping or getting high or following the Grateful Dead or fish around. And after the second or third piece they fall in love with, they're like, I'm gonna look this guy up, and then they just go,  

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off the deep end. Like, woah. Woah. And it's funny how many people have had my art, and then they, like, come across me years later. And they're like, oh, this guy's still doing stuff, and then they'll order something from me. You know? It's, and tell me the story of some art they had,   you know, in the past that they lost or whatever. It's Yeah. Beautiful.   You gotta wonder what happens with these images, you know, once you, like, send them out into the world to do their own thing. You know? Yep.   Yeah.  

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It's on an adventure now.  

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And here it is on the IMDB page too. Yep. There it is.  

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Beautiful. Hey. That's nice. Thanks. I've driven past that time. Hate. Ashford. You got a very distinct style, Robbie.  

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It's just,   you know, working with it and playing with it, and   I try to make it look pleasing to myself. You know?   Hallelujah.   Because it's a therapeutic thing more than anything. You know?  

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I get it, man. That's why I was doing something. I had to clean up my shop a little bit, but I, you know, made one little piece of art just because I'm standing here in the middle of my studio.   So why shouldn't I make something? Yeah. And now it's also clean, which is very nice. Cleaner, I should say. Cleaner.  

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My, my whole setup right now is just littered with stuff.  

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I I'm, yeah, trying to get stuff together together. Well, I'll come be your apprentice. How much you know? You had a foot so I could sleep on the floor? Yeah. Because my wife could hear me right now. She'd pull my hair probably. Yeah.  

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Doesn't seem like something lately would allow.  

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Oh, hair pulling?  

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No. I know. Leaving to go sleep on Robbie Marks' floor in the Pine Barren so that I could learn how to make   awesome art. I mean, you know, I might be able to get away with the weekend, but I don't think that's gonna give me enough time to even start to learn how to clean up your stuff, let alone do it. I know. Right?  

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It's,   yeah. No. If I could make a clone of myself, you know, if I could clone Tyrone, I would.  

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So   Me too. I'll get now I might spend some good money on that. Well, how how much for just half of a Robbie Marks? Yeah. Have, like, have, like, 6 of them in here making art for me.   Yeah.   I like that idea.  

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Well, and that kinda gets into the whole AI thing.   I guess Photoshop, a lot of artists are getting pissed off at Photoshop right now because they're saying that the AI can come in and examine what you're doing   Right. While you're doing it, and it's like confidentiality  

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stuff is becoming an issue. Yeah. I I saw that too. But they're saying they own everything you're doing. Right? Me what they can do while you're actively doing it again, please.  

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Yeah.   But, I've got numerous artist friends now that are, like, swearing off,  

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Adobe products. And, I mean I've seen it.   Yeah. This kind of local hard drives? They're they're scanning the files in your in your project folders on local hard drives? Logged in, and they can see and view and put telemetry on your whole page. They're they're   taking   and recording every bit of your action, just like the book, Play Your Piano Yeah. By Kurt Vonnegut, where they talk about they go in and they record on magnetic tape how the man plays the piano, and that's, you know, that's how the or now how the man runs the machine, and that's how they automate the factories. Right? Well, we're seeing it now. Yep. And, of course, the artists are gonna say, hey. It's one thing to steal my finalized product to do something with it. All artists expect that to happen if their work is successful and good. Then someone's gonna pitch it. They're gonna copy it. They're gonna print it off the in the back of their trunk of their car and sell it on the corner. You know? That's normal. Not good, but it's normal. But it's a different thing altogether to say, hey. Since you're here   using our product to create your product,   we're gonna pilfer every fucking inch that you move, every single color choice you make, every design choice, all your layout and everything. You know? We're gonna claim ownership of it because you're paying us to use the product. It's crazy.  



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Yeah. And Photoshop now is up to $60 a month you have to pay, so it's, like, 700 and something bucks a year. You know? That's crazy. A year, you used to pay $700 for it one time. Right. Right.  

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And it's the industry standard. You know? Yeah. Yeah. You have to have it. If you I mean, if you're gonna work in that field Right. You have to at least be able to deal with it. If you don't have it, you have to know how to use a 3rd party program that interacts with it flawlessly. You know? To do separations   for All that layers and everything. Yeah. Yep. Yep.  

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So   Crazy. Well, but now also,   Photoshop, they've instilled a, AI   feature   where you can basically take a a subset   of images   and basically train Photoshop on just those images   and then have it output based off what you've trained. So you can you basically, if I were to train it on all my art,  

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you know, I could just start telling it. You know? Click buttons and then move slide sliders, and now you got Robbie Monkserv for dates. Right. Yeah. It's scary. Right. It's pretty scary. But it takes away the the human element  

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of of the,   you know, natural   perfunctory create creative process.  

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You know? Right. It won't just because it looks so close that most people can't tell the difference. At the bottom line, you can tell the difference because you know what it takes to make a composition that you're happy with. Like you said, how do you make 8 hash brown look good? Well, you make it look the way that you want it to look. To what you find to be beautiful and aesthetic and pleasing and balanced.   Well, just because it can copy that, you know,   it doesn't mean shit. I know a lot of kids that learn how to play the guitar from watching YouTube and from playing video games, guitar video games, and they don't have the same thing that you get from standing in a fucking rehearsal. Right. You're just not gonna get that thing. Just like I'm never gonna get what these old bluesmen that I know have, where they used to play 3 nights,   or 3 times a day sometimes, 5, 6 nights a week. They were 16 years old and in the musicians union and were playing.  

Right. I mean,   like, CRM a week or so. Yeah. There's no way my hand will never have that touch because I'll never put that 10000 hours in 5 times, you know, or whatever.   It's crazy. It's pretty weird, this whole thing. I try not to hate on the AI, but it's pretty terrifying and strange what they're doing to you. Well and and they're saying now that as the AI is manufacturing  

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more information that's on the Internet, as it scrapes the Internet for information,   it's essentially gonna start scraping its own information   Right. That's that's false and hallucinatory.   And so you're gonna have this diametric,   like, you know, downgrade   the longer it uses itself for its own production.  

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I believe it. Oh, that's gonna suck. Yeah.  

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Because there are I saw that, the   I I follow the search engine optimization,   Reddit, and I glance at there sometimes. I don't do anything with it. It's just a hobby to look at what it means to to optimize results. How do you get to the top of the page? Right? Well, they're all, completely crying endlessly now for, like, 6 months or more that, Google switched it up so that the AI is the most prominent thing,   and you can't get your blog result to land in the fucking on the front page anymore. It's not possible. Yeah. They forced everybody out, and now they're just letting the machines run the show. And the only way to play ball is to get in bed with the that same process yourself, and most people, of course I mean, you priced out immediately.   Mhmm.  

And that's not to own or or program AI. Just to be in the position to say, I'm gonna definitely use every facet and feature of this that I would like to. Yeah. Yeah. No way. You have to learn how to do it. You have to spend money on subscriptions probably 5 or 6 times at anywhere from 30 to $60 a prop. Yep. No way. Getting in bed with all that. And you're competing against guys that have been doing it for years now. Yeah. Yeah.  

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I was looking at Meta and Instagram ads recently   and, because I got that new sticker pack that I put out, and I was just looking at running an ad on it. And they were like and the average business like yours   spends $589   on ad. And I was like, it's crazy. I'm like, I wanna spend $20. I'm not here to spend $600.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah.  

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Well, I mean and even for you to do that, even if you're like, alright. I'm gonna do it. It changes your entire,   process. Like, you know, how many sticker packs do you have? If you spend $600, you get to sell out for sure if you don't have a 1,000 of them. I've only got 50 of them. So that cost more than what I'm gonna make off the sticker packs. Oh, just bump the price up and do it, Ravi. Oh, no. Sell them a sticker price you know, sell them a $350   sticker pack. Right. Yeah. Exactly.  

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You know, that's stupid. It's I'm gonna sell out.  

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Now I'm glad you reminded me because I'm a write it right here on this map, brand new map, buy Robbie sticker pack. And I recommend other people go do it too because he just said there's only 50. There's only 5 people. Yep. So   yeah. But it's just because I bought one before. I have some of your art hanging around. That's the only thing I bought. I've I've been thinking about a print just like those other people you described. And I have one in mind, but I haven't ordered it yet.  

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The,   seal of Solomon?  

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Yeah. That one there was that one, and, I think you have some kind of a tree of life.   It's a tree on top of the earth or something. That one speaks to me. You know? Tree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The earth tree is is is good. Yep.   Rock on.  

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Yeah.   It's just   crazy how,   they expect you to somehow,   apply yourself to some   crazy fictional standard that they're setting up so they can gain, like, ad revenue. You know?  

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It is. It's all inside, outside, upside down. It's the other thing.   It used to be if you wanted to spend $20 on an ad, they'd work with you. Like, well, we can't give you very many words. We can't give you very much space.   You know, you just get this pittance over here in the corner for the ad. Right? Yeah. They're not gonna turn you away or say, hey. It's a minimum of 55 or something. Right? But not.   It's crazy.  

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Yeah. Well, in the at $20, they're like, oh, well, we can't even guarantee anybody's gonna see this.   So   so,   you know,   just a waste.  

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I I don't see where any of those advertisements   like, I when I had my crystal store, I tried advertising in Facebook for a little bit,   and it would supposedly show them to people supposedly.   And it would show me that it had views, but none of those people interacted.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. You know?  

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Well and I also find now when you go through Instagram   or whatever, like,   you'll see one thing from somebody you know, and then you see, like, 2 or 3 ads.   Yeah. It's one thing, and it's, like, it's not even,   you know, it's just disenchanting.  

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It is.   It sucks.  

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Glad to know that was coming, though, when social media killed DV.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep.  

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Like, they gotta have somewhere to put them advertisements.  

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Right.   But I will say there are the the people that have followed me for years that consistently,   you know,   see my stuff, like it, repost it. I mean, it's,   you know, I think that the you know, back when you would have the Instagram feed   where you would get all of your friends' stuff in chronological   order, and then it got to the bottom, and it was like, you're all caught up. Yeah.  

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And now it's just doom scroll, like, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. All day long. You know? And they reorder stuff too. Oh, yeah. You scroll back up because you're, like, you've scrolled past something too quickly, and then you scroll up to find the thing you've you're looking for, and then it's not there anymore. Not there anymore. Yeah. Yeah.   So you spend more time on the app trying to find the thing.  

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Yeah. There's a request to drop the link to Robbie's store   into the chat.  

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It's the   link tree.   Bring that back up.  

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Yeah. And if you go to the link tree and then hit the Etsy link, you'll find you'll see the sticker pack in there.   So  

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See and that's,   again, just   one of them companies. Like, I hate supporting Etsy. Etsy's bullshit.   Horrifying company, but what do you do? Like, they've got the market share for anybody   that makes their own at home   small business goods that doesn't have enough money to become a brick and mortar or giant send out store. Etsy is the only place to really do that. Yeah. And they're a horrifying company.  

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It's,   I mean, similar to, you know, YouTube or any of these,   you know,   machinations   that have have turned into these giant   you know?  

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Yeah. Some of the shit that they pull at Etsy, just gross. Just gross.   Like, you can't have anything that says heat and on it now,  

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because,  

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somebody in Sweeney   patented the word   and so I can now they think that they can stop anybody that's, you know, a small businessman that's using a name that's   cultural   from,   using it in Etsy. Etsy is the one that,   you know, none of the rest of us respect it. None of the rest of us care what they say, but Etsy does.   So Etsy is the one that ends up forcing it through. You end up finding out like anything else.   We live in this weird world   where laws   can be extraordinarily   contradictory to corporate policy, and the corporate policy is winning. Is winning. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Well, that's the same thing, like, when you look at, like, these   Equifax or some of these credit houses that keep Yeah. You know, files on you. And I don't do business with these people. Why do they have any information on me at all? You know? I mean, I'm guaranteed to be secure in my persons and papers.   But for some reason, they're allowed to keep files on me when I don't do business with them. That's a constitutional violation.   Yeah. Yep. There it is.  

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That's nice.  

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Yeah. You get, like, 13 items total in there.   It's, like, 7 got 7.  

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Go ahead. You still have them cards? I really wanted to order them mushroom cards.  

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Yeah. I still have those. I think I took them.   When I leave in the summer, I take all the stuff I can't ship when I'm on the road then.   So  

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but yeah. Order that.  

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Dee, just send me your, address at some point, and I'll I'll get you back.  

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I will do. Will do, Robby.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. I think that thing is that is probably the most awesome card deck,   I've ever seen. I only ever had one that I thought was   about as cool. When my great grandpa died, he collected card decks for some reason. Nice. And he had a deck of cards that were hand drawn   from,   riverboat, from a riverboat casino, and they were hand old hand drawn cards. They had a deck of old hand drawn cards that were Wow.  

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That's great.  

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So yeah. So I ever since I saw those, I really admire them quite a bit and wanted to get me   a a set.  

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Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. That   that deck is all,   watercolor pieces I did for   the illustrations of the face cards.  

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Yeah. Super awesome. Jim opened them up one night. We're all on,   sitting here, and I was   just extraordinarily. We've priced it. That was one of the most awesome   decks cards I ever saw. That's cool.  

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Everything in that pack was beautiful that you said. Yeah. Uh-huh. Nice.   We we gave away some of the stickers to other spiders when we met up in,   Vegas.   Nice. Pretty cool.  

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Wanna keep everything. But Yeah. I'll just send out some more little swag bags.  

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So We do have a PO box for that. There you go.  

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Nice.   Yeah.   Take a picture of that. How far are you from, North Carolina?  

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North Carolina,   I wanna say I can get down there   in DC is 10 hours.   So In  

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In a day?   I could get down there in probably a day, a day and a half. Yeah. Yeah. That's a long ways. Yeah. I was hoping it was a lot closer than that. I'm not I'm not,   you know, things are very odd. I'm from the in the East Coast for me because I'm from the Midwest, and, you know, we have these giant long straight roads with nothing on them for hours and hours. And to get over there in the East Coast, and I was like, I gotta stop every 3 minutes to go through a fucking toll booth. I don't know if I even made it more than 10 miles. Yeah.  

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So, if it takes me 10 hours to get to DC, it says it's another 7 hours to get to, South Carolina.   So it's a ways.  

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Yeah. That's a long ways. Yeah.  

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That is But, yeah, it is nice in New England when you're hitting up some shows, and you it's like a pinball machine. You can just, like, ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Like, they're all, like, you know, within a day's drive.  

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Yeah.  

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We have our audio episodes, and Robbie's got some audio episodes too. Probably check on his   link tree to get to his MetaMind cast.   Subscribe to that RSS feed, download them, and have them ready to go for long   road trips   this  

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summer. Yep. And just like Robbie's art, you live in your mind.  

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Yep.  

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Thank you.  

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So have you seen the big skull?