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It's the final (and most difficult) frontier of 'value 4 value'. In Ep#55 we're going to dive into a mini history of video on the internet, explain why advertising stuffs everything up and list the current places to host/watch v4v enabled video podcasts.

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It's the final (and most difficult)   frontier of value for value.   Welcome, everyone to another   episode of the Value for Value podcast.   The second to last   in this year, Season three of the show,   I am Kyrin, host of The Mere Mortals   Mere Mortals book reviews, podcasts,   and also this one, of course,   where I dive into the world   of digital content creation   and how you as a content creator can help connect   with your audience in a more fun   fashion using the value for value model   and also monetise at the same time.   Nice little side effect benefit from the   I'm recording here on the 25th of October   2023 live and this will continue on   in the future doing these live ones.  

But the date is going to change,   so I won't particularly   talk about that right at this moment.   I want to talk today   about video, so I've covered   a couple of unique mediums before.   Obviously we've talked about music,   we've talked about text.   Obviously audio in particular,   what this being a podcast about podcast as well.   And also briefly   with the chapter on I guess the digital limit   in images in a in an offhand fashion.   But the big granddaddy   of all of these is video podcasting.   This is putting a video link into your RSS   feed and typically video   what I'm saying is the final frontier.  

Why it's so complex is that it can copyright   basically all of these things.   You can have audio, you can have visuals,   and you can have text and moving visuals.   So all of everything   just gets bigger, hotter, more complex.   So what we're going to be covering in   this episode is a bit of a look back at   the history of kind of Internet video podcasts   and how they didn't particularly pan out   and the reason for this I advertising   not just solely advertising,   but plays part into it.   And then also looking at   into the future of value for value podcasts   with video or video podcasts   with value for value.  

And so what, what could actually happen with that?   How a value for value can be incorporated.   Yeah, there's a quite a few things too   to get into before I do that.   Let's go into the past.   Let's dig deep and look at a historical battle.   So I want to tell you a little bit of a story   time here.   So me personally, I was born in 1992   and I actually vividly recall finding video   for the first time on the Internet.   So I would have been about   12 years old, 13 years old.   So we're jumping forward now and to 2004, 2005.   And I remember on my dad's   Mac, he had iTunes there and I was mostly   playing music, listening to it.  

And somehow I stumbled across the podcasts,   I guess like little   little section there that they had of them.   And I'm sure most of them were video,   but I vividly recall   watching like, Oh my God, you can actually see   video here.   This is so awesome   and so there was a couple   in particular that I remember watching.   Mostly it was kind of like cute   cats, circus tricks, epic compilations, fail   videos, those sorts of things.   I believe that was a   a pretty progressive   comedy troupe here called The Chaser's   War on Everything, and I'm pretty sure that's   how I was consuming their their videos   for the first time instead of on TV.  

And so I started to watch all of these things   and I was like, Oh, that's so cool.   At the same time,   I also found out about Google video,   and so this was where I was going on   to the actual web pages onto Google and   very much watching the same things,   what you'd expect of a 12 and 13 year old.   So I was kind of doing   both of these simultaneously,   and I vividly recall watching all of these videos.   However, what what happened?   Like, did I continue watching these   these these two mechanisms until until today?   No, no, I can't this   this bit I can't remember vividly.  

But very quickly, within a year or two,   Google video started to transform into YouTube.   And then Google video went away entirely   and I entirely stopped watching video podcasts.   And it's kind of like, okay, well, why?   What happened?   The current what what was the reason for this?   You know, is it you   was it related to something else?   And I guess this is where I would say it was.   It was a historical battle of of video.   How is it going to be consumed on the Internet?   Was it going to be   on a via an RSS feed like like I was doing   with the video podcast?  

Or was it going to be   on a more centralised platform,   something like Google video   or as it became YouTube?   And well,   I think we all can agree that the first   battle was lost and that YouTube won out then.   So I have not really watched   a single video podcast since then   until maybe 2020, which was when I got   into podcasting myself   that really, really deeply and started   to investigate all of these different things.   And, you know, what was the reason?   Why did YouTube went out?   Because I would have said   at those very early   days, the quality   of what I was watching   was probably about similar,   but I don't think there   was a real big difference   between watching RSS videos, i.e.  

a video podcast   and then watching on Google or YouTube.   And I was trying to debate this.   I thought in my own mind it was something like   just how could   a podcast hopes   keep up with the bandwidth that was necessary?   I played around a little bit   with video podcasts   and everything is so much more complex   because video is just so much bigger.   Instead of playing around   with file sizes that are in the megabytes,   you're playing around with things   that are a thousand times   bigger into the gigabytes.   And so I was just assumed this is what stopped   video podcasts from really becoming a thing.  

It was mostly that   it's just incredibly expensive   to to host video and putting it out there.   You have to as an individual   because you've got an RSS feed.   Sure, you could have a host   who does it.   So, you know,   I host this one in particular   with blueberry at this current moment.   And you could like,   why can't you do the same thing   with with video   and all of these people   instead of going to YouTube,   they could have been creating RSS feeds.   So I was was always just like, well,   but it's the bandwidth that was the main problem.   And sure enough, looking up,   it took about four years   for YouTube to become profitable.  

So obviously   you needed a big company like Google to   like a monolith,   to just eat up all of the costs   because it took a long time for YouTube   to become profitable.   So that was around the 2009 period.   I believe just from my my bit of research.   But recently I had a chat with Adam Curry   and he also highlighted some other problems   which I'll take his word for because he was   a bit older and not a 12 year old   trying to recall history.   And he was just highlighting,   you know,   it wasn't just the bandwidth,   it was codecs, it was bitrates,   it was video sizes, it was resolution,   it was sinking the audio to the video.  

How could not only the   hosts deal with all of these, but   app developers, which is where   you typically listen to a podcast?   And what is so great about them   is, is the variety that you can have   when you've got all of these   different problems as well.   Know creating an app   just to play audio   properly is hard enough in itself.   There's a whole bunch of issues   you have to deal with that.   But then if you   trying to deal   with all of these things as well,   this is where it's like, okay, yep,   they probably can't keep up   with the madness as well.   So this is why I think you kind of have this   almost centralisation of, of both ends.  

Where   are hosting it yourself   is, is complex   and then playing the hosting of that in an app   is incredibly complex   and so   why not bundle that into one big thing,   which is what essentially YouTube did   and why it's still to this day is the place   where everyone goes to consume their podcast,   podcast, their video.   And so this is   where I was like, okay, you know, this   this kind of makes sense.   This is this is why instead of a   and one and a multi spread out thing   which make   which is what makes audio podcasting so awesome,   you have   a whole bunch of different hosts   and you have a whole bunch   of different apps and this is   this variety, this spreading out   actually makes audio   really great   because you can say certain things   in places   and you can go to different places   and you're not going to get kicked off.  

Whereas on video, you know, with YouTube,   there is one place at this moment and sure,   I know there's other video platforms, I know   there's Rumble and Vimeo, and that was Odyssey.   I think that's closing down. So   what there's   there are other places, But look, let's be real.   There's one place for video.   It's it's YouTube.   So it's really funny actually thinking now to   to just where we're at.   So let's jump forward to the present time   YouTube took off, became more and more successful.   A lot of people will say it's the second   What is it like the second best search engine   or the second most utilised   search engine in the world?  

My friend   one has a   has an issue with that,   but let's just take that for the moment   and we jump forward to the present time.   Okay.   The first battle was certainly lost   Video podcast lost out to YouTube.   They all became centralised   and so what is happening there is videos,   as much as some people might want to say   nowadays that you can have a podcast on YouTube.   That's not how it works.   It doesn't have an RSS feed.   That's one of the fundamental things.   So now jumping forward to the present time,   it's a rather weird time for video   because I had a rather big chatting in Mere Mortals   episode 400   about moving away from longform video   and a kind of straight strategy with clips.  

So essentially not   putting too much effort on the long form video.   Hence why,   even though I have the capabilities   to make this into a video podcast,   I'm just not going to because that's actually   just not that worth it for myself personally.   But we still kind of use clips and so we   this is just a way of   being able to get many snippets   of our podcast and highlight them   onto the various social media platforms.   And so   what I currently do is I upload the same clip   to five different platforms   and it's just like,   Hmm, wouldn't be great if RSS could do this.   Like, wouldn't it be great if I could just create   a, a, an RSS, which has all of my clips on it?  

And this just goes out to these five   different platforms and these being YouTube,   Instagram, Twitter or X,   whatever you want to call it, Facebook and TikTok.   So it's a rather weird thing   because I know a lot of other people   are doing something very similar.   And sure,   there's variations in the platforms   and you will   get the best results if you modify your video   to play on these platforms differently   because they are slightly different, but you know,   they're all kind of roughly the same.   You know, put it in a portrait format,   create it so that it's,   you know, a minute, 2 minutes long,   something like that, and put captions up   so people can watch it because the watch it   and not need to have the audio on   that sort of thing.  

So you're like, oh, okay, interesting.   Well, why,   why are all these platforms   very insistent on me doing this individually? Why?   Why wouldn't   they want to be able to just have an RSS feed   come in and then they can just show it   because, man,   that would actually solve a lot of their problems.   They wouldn't have to have had all of the   hosting and storage.   You know, that's, that's that sort of stuff.   And I wouldn't have to individually go there.   You'd think like,   okay, maybe this could create   some synergies,   maybe this could actually make things   a bit more efficient. Why?  

Why is this happening?   And then we get to the crux of it.   Of course,   it comes down to money,   money, money, money, money and money drives   business decisions. And so   there's nothing wrong with that per se.   But when you look at some companies   and how they behave and their models,   this is where it's like, okay,   what what does everyone basically everyone agree?   The problem of social media is   the platforms are trying to lock you down.   And why are they trying to do that?   Because they make money by advertising.   This is just how it works.   They don't   you don't pay for subscriptions to Facebook   and to Twitter.  

Well, you can if you want,   and to Instagram and things like that.   No, they've chosen to go the opposite route   and do this through advertising shop.   You know, they can do whatever they want   what this does.   So it brings a cascading series of events   that I think eventually stifles   creativity and expression in the long run.   I won't get into that, but essentially it's like   they need to make advert   advertising money for their business, hence   they need to keep you on the platform.   Hence   they don't   wants an RSS feed that you could get anywhere else.   And ingesting that   because if I could get   this same experience ad free elsewhere,   well then people would leave   because nobody likes ads, nobody wants to have   these ads.  

It's not like you're scrolling through   your feed and you're like,   Oh man, that ad, that was great. That was amazing.   Maybe 1% of people are like, I don't know.   So this is why there's this   big predominant model of advertising   and why I have to upload my video   even though it's the same one.   And I'd much rather just do it in a one stop shop.   RSS feed   plop it as a video podcast,   and then it guests and just elsewhere.   They don't want to do that.   And you know,   if I do that, there's not a whole lot   of places where people can do that.   Although this is starting to change.  

So just bear with me.   So people are paying with   with time versus money when it comes to these   these platforms at the moment, once again,   totally fine. That that that's cool.   And that's that's how things have worked out   and up until this point.   But the battle, the battle was lost certainly.   But I think the war continues.   And so   I'm just trying to think and I was like going,   you know what?   What is it in particular, though, that   has made audio podcast so decentralised,   so awesome, so spread out and you're   having all this innovation with podcasting apps,   podcasting 2.0,   integrating this, you know, bitcoin   and value for value and all of these things.  

Why, why is this happening to audio   and why couldn't it happen to video?   And I was going, you know,   I don't think there's anything   about the medium of video   that suggests   it has to be different than than audio.   I can't come up with a good reason as to why   it it has to be like that.   I understand.   And that's why I went over the the the history.   I think it's just the kind of quirks of physics   and chemistry,   how they manifest in things   like transistors, storage capacity, bandwidth,   internet connections, all that sort of thing is   why we got to this point.  

I do not see a reason why that   video has to be like audio.   And, you know, if   if that was the better model   to have just one place,   then why hasn't that happened to audio?   Why isn't there just one place that you go to   to get your audio podcast, to get your experience?   If that was the better model,   if that was the better thing, why,   why hasn't that happened?   And I so I go more   I think more along the lines of audio   as much simpler   doesn't have these complexities   that were attached to it   and costs that are attached   to it, hence that it gravitated   to its natural form of   of the best form that it could video   did have all of these things.  

And so we've kind of been stuck with something   like the big centralised platforms like YouTube.   Once again,   nothing wrong with with that,   but it does bring   a couple of costs and penalties with it.   And you can look at this things with video creators   bemoaning the fact like, oh, I have to, you know,   keep creating videos, otherwise the algorithm   won't want show, show them.   And you know, I make money via YouTube   putting ads on top of it,   and that's how they pay me out.   And YouTube doesn't particularly like me   putting my own ads into it and things like this.   So it's is very much like, okay, well,   what can what can video creators do go?  

And is this going to change in the future?   What what do I kind of see   the future of of video being like?   And honestly, I do just think that as   time goes on with Moore's Law, as costs go down,   as more people will have access to video cameras   high, really high quality ones on their phone   and things like this, I personally think   that the the monoliths, the YouTubes of the world,   they're going to be a round for a long time.   But I do think the natural form,   the gravitation will come to   to a more decentralised actual video podcasts   probably done through RSS.  

And so I want to highlight some of these   now at the moment,   and I have experimented with some of these. And so   if you wanted to have a video podcast   and we'll get   on to the value for value   and how this connects with it in a second.   But I do just think like, okay,   this is probably where, where it could go.   Will it go there quickly and shortly?   No, it's going to take a long time.   But I do think that this is where it will   actually go over the end.   And value for value   is the reason for this, because I think   the value for value model is, in the long run,   much stronger, better and creates   a better incentives than than advertising.  

So I want to talk about a couple of platforms   where you can host and watch   video podcasts at the moment,   like I said, with YouTube,   typically the hosting of it   and then the watching of it goes hand in hand.   So the creators put their videos in one place   and then same places where you can consume it.   If you haven't done this before.   Basically there's   this thing called YouTube studio   and you go into the back end of,   well, like a little place that's just for me   to upload all of my stuff.   So the tweet that I have used and try it   and I actually do have   some video podcasts floating out   there are called three Speak and True.  

So both of these are basically what you do.   It's very similar to YouTube   where you have your video and you upload it   and you put in this metadata of the title   and the thumbnail and the description   and you can add in some extra things.   So, you know,   it was   it was   created on this date and it was at this location   and very similar things to how YouTube operates.   You can put in some tags of   this is what the video is about or like,   you know, hash tags, things like that.   And what   is different about these so is that   you can actually do value for value with them   and they have in our feed.  

So if you want to experiment   what this looks like, if you type in models   into basically any podcasting app   and in when you type in models,   do not put the space between the end of the E   and the next M, So it's mere models or one word,   you'll actually get some results   showing this video podcast I created.   So this one is in particular on three speak.   This is hosted via the Hive blockchain,   which I probably briefly mentioned before,   has kind of integrated a lot of concepts   of podcasting.   Thanks to Brian of London, who I've actually had   on the me and Models before.  

So if you want to know more about popping   in that, I'll give you a link to that episode   and essentially what you do there.   As I was saying,   you just upload your video. It's   a lot more constrained than than YouTube.   Max file is five gigabytes, I believe.   But what he has created   is that everyone   who uploads   and has a channel there is automatically   created into a an RSS feed and it'll say something.   When you type in me and models   into a podcasting app, you'll see like miyamoto's   hosted on three speak the minimalist podcast   hosted on three speakers, something like that.  

And so   I put in there a whole bunch of different things.   I've got full length videos   like I did with Brian,   I've got mini clips which are   about 5 minutes long in the landscape portrait.   And I even just   yesterday went on for the first time   and put up a portrait one.   So something like that you'll see like a short   clip or real or tik-tok that's kind of format   and it still works pretty, pretty damn good.   So there's actually a lot of versatility   that you can have in   putting these things into an RSS feed.   And so what you can actually do   go into places.  

And of all the value   for value apps that I mentioned a week   or two ago where I did my run through,   if you go to cure Acosta pod   versus Pod Fans podcast, your and pod friend,   you will actually be able to see the video in their   pod fans in the future.   But I know, I know you'll be able to   breathe in FOUNTAIN.   It will show up, but it won't actually play   the video and cosmetic.   I'm not sure because I don't have an iOS.   If there are other apps that   show that look,   I know definitely that there are other podcasting   apps where this will show up as well,   but they don't have   value for value   integrated, so you won't be able   to boost and stream and do things like that.  

The other one I was talking about is picture.   So picture is kind of a   it works essentially on the same concept   like torrenting, where multiple people   will host a video file and then it'll serve up   that file   in individual chunks to people   who are coming in and wanting   to watch a video or download or stream   or something like that.   So that's the high level.   I'm not super deep into the technical details   and once again, you just go up onto here.   I personally   have done this   through an offshoot of that   which is called No Agenda Tube,   and you can put in your details.  

They have an ALBA wallet connection.   So as we were talking about   with Alba in the podcast app's run through,   you can just do this all nice and simple   to put your details in   and then you've got a video podcast.   And if people are watching, tuning in   and they can do this on any peer tube instance,   so it's not a one stop place.   So this is what makes it different   from something like YouTube.   There's a lot of   tube instances, so you can go to any individual one   and they might say, Oh no, we   don't like your content, that's fine.   You can go to another one and upload it there.  

And there's a guy called Airhead   Head who I've seen on the podcast index.   Mastodon   is creating a value for   value plug in so that any peer group can do this.   So really, really cool that you're able to to   do this.   I think it's baked into the   no agenda tube one,   but I'm not I'm not sure about the other ones.   I haven't tested out with them.   So if you are interested in creating   a video podcast,   those are   two of the places I would recommend doing it.   If you want to do it in a way that now   enables value for value with the micropayments   and boosting and streaming   that we've talked about at the start of the season,   those are two awesome places to go.  

I've test out myself.   I know it works and   it's a relatively decent   experience of, of watching that.   If you going to, as I said,   want to try it out just type in me   models or one word   and you'll be able to watch some videos   of myself and it's like, Oh, okay, that's cool.   Good, good, good stuff.   I think it's worth   talking about traditional hosting as well. So   it's not   particularly value for value related,   but someone listening might want it.   Semi v for V related because the hosts   are gradually adopting these things.   I was actually going   through a few of them and so I know   pretty pretty much for sure   that pod being blueberry and Lipson   are able to host video podcasts   and blueberry actually does   have that value for value enabled.  

So I probably should put that in the   in the upper list as well, saying if you want to   create a video podcast with value for value use,   blueberry would be the simplest   out of those other   two options that I talked about before.   It is funny though, just how distorted   the word podcasting can get.   You'll see, I've linked an article here   I was talking about   the what was it?   It was the   video podcast platforms, the best video podcast   platforms and amongst pod bean and blueberry   and I think Lipson It also mentioned YouTube,   Vimeo, Spotify, Facebook, Twitch, Instagram and X   as video podcast platforms.  

They are not video podcast platforms.   Those are places you can go to watch video,   but RSS is what makes podcasting so amazing.   Awesome, and gives   all of those four properties   which I talked about right again   at the start of the season.   Decentralisation, self sovereignty.   It's permissionless   and provides for value transfer.   All these these places don't have all of them.   They've maybe got a couple of them.   And so RSS is a critical,   critical piece in what makes a podcast.   And so,   yeah, this is just where it's like   if you want to do a video podcast,   go to free speak, go to a peer to   peer group instance, or go to blueberry   and you can have value   for value enabled with those.  

So that's that's just my little thing.   Will this happen in the future?   Will video podcast take over the world?   I think in the long run, yes.   But technology can change.   Other things can change and who knows,   we could all just be doing using   was there's Apple Vision   pros or things coming out in the future.   Maybe once again technology   can can change things. So   it's just an interesting little thing there.   But I it's just worthy of pointing out that value   for value can touch and go everywhere.   And I think eventually it will.   And it's it if   YouTube and stuff don't adopt it,   I think in the end they'll die   because value for value is just so strong.  

Just creates such an amazing connection   with your with your audience.   I'm going to just stop it here for the moment   and go on the Basic Gram lounge.   Acknowledge some people for thinking   to help create this sharp.   Welcome to the Value for Value   Instagram Lounge.   So we have a couple of here. We don't have anyone tuning   in live today, which is totally cool,   but I do have a couple of people   who I do   need to thank for helping to support the show   and sending in a boostagram   and Boost   agram is a message that you can send   within your podcasting app.  

I listed out eight of them   just before where you can actually do this,   and this is a message from someone who's   appreciated   the show, wants to show that in a form   with a monetary payment to it.   But the most important aspect of   this is being able to give me feedback and to   add some extra content for the show.   For me to think about to to know more about.   So I'm going to jump in the first one here. So   I did see Sam Sethi   streaming in some payments.   Thank you so much for that, Sam.   Before the first one we've got is the tone recorder   and he says reloaded wallet and catching up   some delinquent support sites.  

Thank you   for your ongoing efforts   to educate and expand ideas 12,555   sent using fountain.   Thank you so much my friend.   Turn Rebecca I do know turn Rick has got to see   some music going on on on his show.   So I'm going to quickly   jump to the podcast index Mastodon and see   what is a little profile says So pull back.   And this is the tone record   communication through machines and odd dreams.   And yes, he's got a wave   like little link here and a get Alvey side   I he's definitely creating some stuff   so he's got some music on Wavelike   if you type in Pull back and   into wave like or into a podcasting app,   people show up. So thank you very much.  

Turn.   Parker Very, very much Appreciate it.   We've got another one here.   The other message for today   and this is a really cool one   because I'm pretty sure   I've seen Tony record's name before,   but I have not seen this one.   And this was from   Balderdash Boys with an underscore.   It says Great episode.   We try on our podcast to make it easy.   And although we would love   sets and money to support the show,   we also see it as connecting   with our listeners and producers, if you will.   Unfortunately, we get very little   supportive feedback,   but we keep asking 1000 sets sent using Fountain.  

Thank you very much, my friend.   Look, I'm glad you tuned in.   You probably tuned into the episode for, well,   the last episode, how to Ask for support.   I assume that's where you boosted this funding.   And look, it's a grind.   It it absolutely is a grind.   When you're first starting out,   it's important to   focus on, I think making the show better   when you're in those early stages.   It's it's this weird.   It's it's the classic thing.   You know, you   once the cycle starts going   and you have some people   starting to boost in   and listen, the show gets better   because they're doing that.  

So you kind of need to grind away at first,   You know,   ask your mom to boost in,   ask your friends to boost   and just get some momentum going because   it is when you create better products that   that things   start to kick off.   So, for example, I had a chat with Adam   Curry on the recent remodels and   I've seen   some big,   bigger boost come in from that for people   who really appreciate the show.   And then through some of these mechanisms,   such as through Fountain,   it highlights all people of really   bursting into this show.   I'm going to put it to the top of the the charts.   I'm going to put it, you know, into the   bigger places on Fountain on to the front page.  

And I've seen because that's happening   more people and then starting to tune   into the show and burst into the show.   So yeah,   unfortunately it's one of those ones   where it's   you just have to get on the treadmill   and it's like   it's almost fake it till you make it   type mentality   where you just have to create a good show   so that people realise it's a good show.   Boost into the good show.   The boosting in makes the show better and   and just keep going.   So I did actually tune   into his show, which I should just bring it up.   So I want to give a shout out   to him for, for doing that.  

And here's another little tip, my friend.   It is very much worth   talking if you're saying like my show   to support our show, tell me what the show is.   So it's beer, Bourbon and Balderdash   is the name of the show there.   And this is by the Balderdash Boys.   So yeah, but also I think is is worth   highlighting what your show is   if you're if you're   going to send in a boost like that.   But I tuned in and they had a good show.   This is very interesting.   I talked about some cool   cool topics   and even though I'm not that much into   beer and bourbon for all the best to be honest, the   they were talking in one of the episodes about   how men men's mental health and suicide   and it was,   yeah, I've been having a little bit of it   just a little stress right recently.  

So it was a   interesting topic for for me to ponder upon and   and talk about reaching out   to other people and things like that.   So I wear joke.   Thank you.   Thank you very much for the boost my friend.   So those were   the couple of boosts that we had for this week.   Thank you for those two   and thank you for everyone who helps   also support the show by sharing.   And as you know,   Sam was streaming and   sets this last week listening in live.   I really do   appreciate all the   different mechanisms that you can do   to help support the show, which I'll once again   talk a bit more about right at the end.  

So before we do that,   though, we've got a couple of things to go over.   I've got some tips, too, to start us off with.   So just waiting for my Evernote here too,   with all my notes too   to pop up   and two sides to be really slow,   of course, just as I'm wanting to talk about it.   So here we go.   We going to give the devil his due.   So I if you've listened to the show long enough,   you know, I'm not a fan of advertising.   I think it's a stupid model.   I really hate hate it.   Just the whole experience of it.   I think it's it's almost close to coercion.   I think things like value for value will.  

I'll bet.   I really hope   they'll take over   in the long, long run   that there'll always be a place for advertising.   But I think you can even   someone do set fertilising or, you know, doing   advertising of your own shows through   sending satoshis to other people   or being able to pay people   to consume your ads rather than have the ads,   you being   kind of the product and that's how   you're paying through it, through your time,   not not through   your money, things like that.   Anyway, to give the devil is true.   The traditional platforms   are not entirely for free,   so they do actually allow for value transfer,   for example.  

So I wouldn't say the   permissionless because I'm pretty sure   that some countries in the world where YouTube,   as part of being allowed to operate in that company   in that country,   are very heavily restrictive   of the type of videos that are allowed there.   So, okay, it's not super permissionless.   You can't be self-sovereign.   There's no ability for me to have a link   to my MP forms. It's hosted on YouTube.   It doesn't come off of there.   That's so you're not self-sovereign   that, That's for sure.   Is it decentralised?   I mean, you could,   you could kind of say it's decentralised   because there's four different   five different platforms to all put up your,   your videos nowadays.  

So but   YouTube is still very much the predominant one,   but you can have value   transfer, I will give them that.   And so I   if you haven't followed this,   this was kind of a trending thing   a couple of months ago, I think it was around   in August of NPC livestreams.   This phenomenon, I love it.   I find it so fascinating.   Humans are so weird.   I love humans. Jesus.   So if you go on to me modules Episode 411   I talked about this in detail,   but essentially what it is is that you have   girls typically on Tik Tok, but   that's, that's the place is really Kmart.   But I know you can do these   same things on Twitch and on YouTube   where you will just be doing a video   and then people have a way   of transferring value   to the Now they do this through   like a kind of tokenised mechanism.  

It's not through a hard digital money like Bitcoin   and what we're doing here, they do it more through   tiny like little one off payments of   tokens, like   an ice cream thing, which you can   then redeem later on from your own.   So it's, it's a, it's a bit strange.   That's how they do it. On Tik Tok on YouTube.   I'm not sure exactly how they do it.   And on Twitch, once again,   I think you can donate money, but   it's more into like a balance.   So I imagine they probably have something   like PayPal on the back end too to enable that.   So it's not particularly   peer to peer, but there is value transfer going on.  

And so what what is happening   with these and Visa live livestreams is   you'll have a typically it's like a hot girl,   but I've seen one with guys as well   where she'll be just looking into a camera.   Someone will send in an   ice cream emoji and they'll go, Hmm, hmm.   I think ice cream so good or a hat or a gang.   And it's like, dang dang.   It's just.   And they'll do this just for hours   and they'll earn enough to to live more than enough   to live to make a decent, a decent living.   And so what you can say see there is like, okay,   there are very varying   mechanisms of supporting people   through this. It's not perfect.  

It's not directly to peer, nor do they have splits,   nor do they have   some of these other functionalities   that we have here with podcasting   2.0 and, and being able to,   I think, have better incentives   and make it more fair without a   centralised money person, money,   middlemen, moneymen right in the middle,   but they do work.   So to give the credit   devil, as do   those platforms do allow for value transfer.   You're taking risks by being on them.   But there's no doubt that they actually do work.   So just tip wise value for value,   even though it typically gets wrapped up into a lot   of other ideas related to,   as I was talking about, you know,   permissionless self-sovereign things   like this, it's important to recognise, okay,   these places do have the   benefits as well.  

They're not entirely   locked down, centralised places   which have no aspects of value for value.   So wanted to highlight that and then to give them   their fair shot and app and service highlight.   I do just really want to give an extra   shout out to three speak and no agenda.   Uber in particular.   I know for sure that they are both actively working   on incorporating value for value elements   into the platform.   As I went on 2 to 3 speak, I saw they have a mobile   app where podcasts featured very prominently.   They have the podcast index of a   for the podcast, which I think is pretty cool   and or at least I'm pretty sure it was.  

And they have the mechanisms of,   of being able to supporting in   through their apps as well. So   yeah I think it's it's   it's this kind of stuff which is is really cool.   It's this healthy competition that's needed   you know   much like there are bigger podcasting apps.   So these are things like,   you know, the Apple and Spotify as   I think it would be nice to have   big video apps as well, something like that.   So instead of   just having one place to watch video YouTube,   I think it'd be cool to have them.   Will YouTube die?   No way. In the long run.  

Yeah, no way.   It's it's going away anytime, anytime soon.   But I do think in the long run, information   wants to be free and accessible.   You know, I can't see why the MP for   that I upload to YouTube is stored.   It's not in if you go in to you know page   what's it page source view page source   onto a YouTube page does no MP for link to web   where that's being stored anyway so   with these others I can do that.   If I go into a podcast feed, I can see that.   So yeah, once again, just, just show letting,   showcasing, highlighting.   There's some differences there between   all of these things.  

Once again, if someone though   came up to me and recommended our   like Karen,   I want to get my video out where should I do it?   I would probably say just put it up on YouTube.   That's it's   probably the best place to go at this very moment.   But if you want to have value   for value incorporated elements   into it, here's some other of these other places.   Okay, That's it.   We're going to leave it there for today.   Thank you, everyone.   The value for value   section who online going to   give 15% of this show to to help support them,   to thank them for the work they're doing.  

I'm going to really give this to Alex Gates today.   So he's the guy who so Alex Gates,   he's part of the no agenda realm   and he runs the no agenda tube.   He's the one who created   that instance and moderates.   It works on it.   And he's done   a lot of really, really great things   for podcasting to point out full value for value.   It's a very, very smart cookie.   He really knows about protocols.   He really knows   the technical details super well.   And yeah,   I don't think he gets enough   highlighting support   for everything that is done,   not not just for the video   aspect, but also for podcasting.  

So 15% of this   episode is going to go through to him.   So just thank you so much,   Sir Alex, for for doing that.   Shout outs though, to our head and Brian of London   for for what they're doing as well   really, really cool.   So for this episode   I'll give you my three TS,   my final value for value.   There's time, talent and treasure time.   You know,   if you want to share this show   with a digital creator,   you know,   someone who is looking at   doing video   and wants to create an actual video podcast,   not one of these bullshit ones of   a video podcast on YouTube. No.  

If you want someone who wants   some recommendations, you know,   tell them to tune in.   Tell them to tune into   what was what chapter was it?   The seventh and eighth chapter.   And they'll they'll get an idea   of how they can do that   in a value for value manner.   So sharing that, joining me   live is always super, super fun.   I do appreciate that as well. Talent.   Is there anything I can do   to make this show better? What annoys you?   What resources are similar to the f up of of these   book reviews   recommendations, things like that?   I definitely would love to to know   all of these things and to to have that come out.  

I'll talk once more about that   right at the end and then finally treasure   three real options of doing this.   You can   go to a new podcasting app, new podcast ABC.com,   and and try out one of the ones from there.   Also, I've done that run through.   So if you're having trouble   with any of that though,   that that's there's a handy link to that.   I'll tell you where to find that in the second.   You can do this directly   at the podcasting index website.   So if you don't want to   change your podcasting app, you're like, Yeah,   I want to keep my thing.  

I really like overcast, I really like,   God forbid, if you if you really like Spotify,   let's just get off of the get off of there now.   It's okay if you like that.   I use Spotify for a long time   before I found podcasting too, but I so I get it.   But if you want to keep continue using your one,   if you go to the podcast index website,   type in value for value or even just my name   Kyran, I'll pop up quickly there   and you can boost directly in from there   using the get all be extension   or you can even do it to me directly.   It can't get all become.  

It's a bit harder for me to find there.   So that is a little bit more difficult to   to do it that way.   And I will also just plug if you go to me   a models podcast dot com such support.   That's where all of this details   are listed in one easy to find model   so it's got the link to the video there   so you can see how to boost in.   It's got links to the actual   podcast itself in different mechanisms.   All this sort of stuff is, is really, really cool.   And there's also a paper right at the bottom here   if you want to do it via   that mechanism, who lots to get into.  

There's one more episode left of the season,   my friends, one more episode   and it's probably going to be my favourite yet.   It's going to be where I'm going   to get the most heart, the most excited   because I'll be talking about what I where   I think value for value is going.   And I want to kind of create   a picture of the world   as I see it and, five, ten years time   and where value for value will have taken us.   So that's going to be   the final episode of of season three.   I'm probably going to take   a little bit of a break and won't   certainly won't be as long   as these last ones between seasons.  

But I'm thinking about a month, maybe two months.   As I mentioned,   I've got a lot of stuff going on in my   life at the moment.   So the that that will take priority.   But I really I really do enjoy the show.   So my last request is what would you like to see   in season four?   What would you like season   four to be focussed upon?   I've got a couple of ideas.   I was thinking of doing something   related to value for value music.   So really diving into that, perhaps making a   semi music show.   I've got a lot of notes here from a couple of   really interesting books   getting more into the aspect of   I suppose the ethos again.  

So almost   harking back to season one,   but adding elements of technology into it.   So this would be talking about   advertising like the long tail learnings   from Amusing Ourselves to Death,   just a bunch of books,   zero sum games of advertising.   There's a lot of   things that I took from these books,   so it can, it would kind of   be a I reminisce back to season one   or I could, you know, keep out   lights of podcasting to put on years   what's what's new, what's interesting,   what's happening with value failure   in a kind of broader scale.   I would   yeah basically I'd love to know   your thoughts on   on what you would really want to hear   what you think is the most valuable,   what would get you to tune in week in, week out?  

What would be helpful to helping spread   the word of value   for spread   the gospel of   value for value and making it easier   for other people to participate   and know why they should participate.   So I would love to know all of those things. So   one I can see here just typed in   honestly my call   that would be to have more interviews with people   leading the charge for value. For value.   That's also doable.   I'm not sure I'd do that   on this show in particular, though   I would probably do   all of that under the main models name.   But yeah, maybe.  

Maybe I'll have to think about it.   Interviews and conversations,   so much effort   as I was saying.   Like, you know,   I probably need to have like a bit of a break,   maybe a little longer ones like, yeah,   just double down. Do it, do it even harder.   Thank you very much, my friend.   But that is good suggestion.   I'll I'll definitely consider it.   So I'm going to leave it there for today.   Thank you everyone for, for   tuning into this episode.   Probably only a couple of people   listening live, but that is okay.   That's appreciated nonetheless.   And yeah, one last season.  

One last   one last season, one last episode of season three   coming up the next week.   And that's going to be a doozy.   It's going to be I'm   I'm really looking forward to it's going to be fun.   So we'll leave it there. Thank you, everyone.   And chaff and now Kyron out.