Why am I travelling across the world to meet people who I've never even spoken to? In Ep#58 we're going to examine the driving forces behind collaboration and how technology is only enabling more and more of it.
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Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(1:11) - Why do people work for free?
(1:54) - Quote 1
(5:16) - But is there much creative collaboration?
(8:00) - Quote 2
(11:58) - Can these ideals change industries?
(12:20) - Quote 3
(13:43) - Topic continued
(15:46) - Where are we at now?
(19:43) - Boostagram Lounge
(24:03) - Latest Developments
(27:01) - Why Bitcoin
(31:20) - V4V: Time/Talent/Treasure
(34:00) - Stockholm - Abi Muir
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Why am I travellingacross the world? To meet people I've neverspoken to before. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Welcome everyone to another episode of theValue for Value podcast. I'm your host, Kyrin here,and this is a podcast for digital content creators who want to connect deeperwith their audience, perhaps monetise their podcastor their product or their musicor whatever it is that they're creatingdigitally and experiencethe benefits of peer to peer connection directlywith their audience without having to use the big conglomerationsof Spotify or, you know, social media and all thesesorts of things.
Now this episode todayis going to talk a little bitabout why we collaborate and perhaps how collaborationmight change in the future and how industrieshave changed overall. So why do we do it? Some different typesof collaboration, how it's changedindustries and where we fit. The collaboration is as wespeak. As I'm recording hereon the 11th of March 2024. So why do people workfor free? I think it'sa good question to ask. And let's start off with bustinga common misconception and one that you'llconstantly hear me repeating on this show.
Value does not only equal money,money is part of it, but it's not the onlything in the world. And I think that moneyis not everything, which is why, you know, why aren't people justchasing it constantly? Why isn't it not the only thingon their mind that they're constantlydriving for that dictatesall their decisions? Why is everyonenot an investment banker and working out in the coal minesin hot, sweaty conditions to earnas much bank as they can? And you know, why wouldpeople even collaborate for for no monetary gain,for no financial gain? And this iswhy we're going to start diving into a book called The Inevitableby Kevin Kelly, because he's got quite a few points here from this periodof the 2000 where people are startingto collaborate online.
And we were noticing,some interesting behavioursare starting to occur. They're actually workingreally hard and not necessarilyfor financial gain. So we're going to have call read out here from page 141 and then we'll do a little bit of analysisof this quote. In contrast to the previous categoryof casual cooperation, collaboration on largecomplex projects tend to bring the participantsonly indirect benefits, since each memberof the group interacts with only a small partof the end product and enthusiastsmay spend months writing code for a subroutinewhen the program's full utilityis several years away.
In fact, the work rewardratio is so out of kilter from a free marketperspective, the workers do immenseamounts of high market value workwithout being paid. That these collaborativeefforts make no sensewithin capitalism. I'm adding to the economicdissonance we've become accustomedto enjoying the products of these collaborationsfree of charge. Half of all web pages in the world today are hosted on morethan 35 million servers running freeApache software, which is open sourcecommunity, created a free clearinghouse called 3DWarehouse offer several million complex3D models of any form you can imagine a bootto a bridge created and freely swapped by the very skilledenthusiasts.
Nearly 1 million communitydesigned Arduino sends 6 millionRaspberry Pi computers have been builtby schools and hobbyists. Their designsare encouraged to be copied freely and used as the basisfor new products instead of money. The peer producerswho create these products and services gaincredit status, reputation, enjoyment, satisfactionand experience. So what we hear from that is not only arepeople collaborating, but they're not doing itfor a hobby. This is not just a little bit of a fun thingon the side. This is getting closeto serious work, large scale collaboration,writing code for a subroutine.
You know, it's it'snot the sort of things where you'd instantly say like, that's that's the most intriguingthing out there. Now, look,for some people, they actually reallylike coding. And, you know, I'm probablyone of these people who's dived into something that most peoplewould be like, That's really boring. Why would you wasteyour time and spend time on that? But it's interestinggoing through this and we see peoplewho are working dedicatedly on a project,you know, this is what the it's gotresponsibilities, it's got deadlines. Things have to be met.
It's large scalecollaboration with, you know, large actual kind ofcorporate structures where or hierarchies, corporate is probably notthe best word for this. And they still do itwithout compensation. But as we heardin that last line, I think thatlast line is crucial. What else did they get inin return for this? Well, they get credit, they get status,they get reputation, enjoyment, satisfactionand experience. So when we start to look at collaborationthrough a V for V lens where we acknowledge,okay, not everything is needingto be in a monetary form and a.k.a the philosophyof value for value.
I think it explainsa lot of this behaviour. So we can say, all right, there's some collaborationgoing on and people aren't doing itjust for money. But is there much creativecollaboration? Is there many peoplebanding together to create something that is perhaps uniqueor that they really want? And this is where I saythere is a ridiculous amount. My favouritego to recently has been to use Tick Tock and I think this isjust a great place to see what are people actually doing on Tik Tokand what kind of stuff are they? Collaborate, how are theycollaborating on their And I was just doing this last night just to make sure for myself because I didn't really create TikTok on the on the usual.
But I was like, I know I've seenwhat people are doing and I'll I'll go through a couple of the settingsand just, you know, create a little videoand see what I can do. So what you can do is you can add musicto your video from, you know, musiciansall across the world. You can put graphic video effects, you know, swiping, stopping, doingthese sorts of things. You can add imagery,you can put photos, you can put stickersand you can put filters. You can have different typesof stylistic texts and links that linkout to all these things. So we can see just onthe technical standpoint, Tik-Tok didn't createall the stuff they didn't create,you know, the various differentfonts.
They didn't createall of these filters. It was people adding them and they would incorporatethemselves into the app. But there wasso much stuff that's behind itand people are using this. They're using it to create different types of videosand things like this. So we've got on like the technicalstandpoint, there's a lot of collaborativethings that go on. And then if you lookat the other side of it, there's a lot of things that people do, which is actual content that they'recollaborating with. So they will reduce dances that they've seenother people create.
Or perhaps, you know, it'svery unlikely because it's likethe whole chain of events. That's got to besomeone who created the, the first like,you know, rolling move and punching thingor doing it to Doja cat. They reusenew stories, they reuse books and quotesfrom books a.k.a like I'm doing right now,they reuse jokes. They do in a certainextent. They reusewhat other people have created in terms of artand in terms of even building structuresand, you know, doing walkthroughs of this is my favourite gym is my favouritepiece of equipment. Look at this.
Like, here's ahow to here's how to do this thing our products and just straight upother people's content. They will you know how many reaction videosare there to animate to manga,to other people's videos, to viral clips,all these sorts of things. So the whole place is just full ofexternal references to other things. It's pretty rare to have someonecreating something which is completely unique to them,which doesn't reference somewhere else out. And there's a huge workforceand huge hours being made up in thiscollaborative work, and this is where we're going to jump onto another page, another quote from page243 that backs up this statement.
So far, the biggest onlinecollaboration efforts are opensource projects and the largest of them,such as Apache, managed several hundredcontributors about the sizeof a village. One study estimatesthat 60,000 person years of work have poured into the release of FedoraLinux nine. So we have proofthat Self-assembly and the dynamicsof sharing can govern a project. On a scale of a town, of course, the total censusof participants in online collectivework is far greater. Reddit, the collaborativefiltering site has 170 millionunique visitors per month and 10,000daily active communities.
YouTube claims1 billion monthly users. They are the workforce that produces the videosthat now compete with TV. Nearly 25 millionregistered users have contributedto Wikipedia. 130,000 of themare designated active. More than 300 million active usershave posted on Instagram, and more than 700million groups participate in Facebookgroups each month. So there'sa ridiculous amount. And obviously social mediais a phenomena that has captured a large partof the world's attention, I guess you'd say,for the last 115 years, something like that,maybe 20 years.
Few, including YouTubein this. And so we see a lot ofpeople are creating stuff. So I would say there how much creativecollaboration is there? That's all we do. That'sall we do as humans. And from thisyou might say, okay, you know, look at these numbers that people are creating up on Redditand on Facebook, Wikipedia or Instagram,all these sorts of places. Doesn't this suggest that people will createwithout profit and perhaps even without attribution? Because in that tik-tok add a, you know, referencethat I just made sure there'ssome little references here in there of, you know,especially if it's a music clip, it'll, it'll show downat the bottom, you know, whatthe music clip is and make it easierfor you to, to share that viralityor to use it in your own clip.
But I think there'sa lot of stuff going on where it's actually not that, you know, one, people aren't being ableto make a profit. And to the attributionthat is not so great. And so you could take well and obviously this showsthat V for V is not necessary because it offersthose sorts of things. But people are willingto do it anyway. And this is where I go,Yeah, this is where I'm starting to see a trendgoing of people are getting a bit fed up withthese platforms as well. Not only there is that the risk of of youbeing taken off, whether it be for justor unjust reasons like that was a recent newsstory of a US someone on Spotify they were hosting throughSpotify, Spotify for podcasts, very successful showand they just got taken off for no reason.
And you know, it'sa computer glitch. It's, you know, malfeasance,whatever it is that malevolencedoesn't really matter. We seethat not only is there that,but I think there's also, you know, just getting a little bitsick of the social media, these places of making fatstacks of you creating and you're onlygetting pincers in return, whether it be through a little bitof advertising or, you know, a little bit of, I suppose, what the social media platformsoffer is, is really a lot of clout. That's it's part of that behaviourthat we saw before, the status, the reputationand things like that.
But I do definitely seethis trend happening wherepeople are being like, I want to collaboratein different ways and there's just notthe access, the ability to do itthrough these platforms and in the waythat I really want to. So this iswhere we're coming into. The next portion herewas, okay, can these ideals of value for value changeindustry is can they break the revolution? Can the revolutionbreak through and create a new productor a new way of operating, which is outside of whatyou would say of like like the lockdown social mediaplatforms, for example.
And I think the answer to this is ais a resounding yes. And I'm going to jumponto page 145 here, which will show onesuch example of this. How close to a noncapitalistic open source peer production societycan this movement take us? Every time that questionhas been asked, the answer has been closerthan we thought. Consider Craigslist justclassified ads, right? Craigslistis far more than that. It amplified the handycommunity swap board until it reacheda regional audience, then enhanced the adswith pictures. It let the consumer do all the workof inputting their own ads and more important, kept the ads in real timewith real time updates.
And to top it off,it made them free. National classifiedsads for free. How could debt laden corporate newspaperscompete with that, operating without statefunding or control, connecting citizensdirectly to citizens? Globally, daily, this mostly freemarketplace achieved social goodat an efficiency. And at its peak,it had only 30 employees that would staggerany government or traditionalcorporation. Sure, peer to peerclassified undermines the business model of newspapers, but at the same timeit makes an indisputable casethat the sharing model is a viable alternative to both profitseeking corporations and tax supportedcivic institutions.
Yeah, Yeah. So, Imean, corporate newspapers and one of their hugerevenue sources of classifiedads got wrecked. Absolutelywrecked by 30 people. If you think Spotify,YouTube, or any of these othersocial media platforms cannot be toppled,you're definitely wrong. I mean, like the newspaperindustry is hundreds of years old,some of these places. And just bya simple mechanism of allowing usersto create their own ads. And, you know, granted,that's a structured format still. They couldn't do anything and everythingthat they wanted to, but they offeredmore ability to do it.
They offered to do itfor free through throughthis Craigslist platform. And it just changedan industry. It absolutely decimated a lot of what was happeningto the newspapers, and they had to adaptand change that. So, you know, thesethese other corporations, the the the ones ofof social media and things like that,they're absolutely babies comparedto some of these longer standing industries which didget revolutionised just by the Internet,by the ability to create peer to peer interact in amore peer to peer manner. And I think a quickbit of history will show that nothinglost forever and that I hope the argument that I've made hereis that collaboration one, humans like to do it and it's not necessarilyfor money, but to they will do it on a large, large scaleand you can do it through, you know, corporate structuresor through hierarchies and things like that.
But it's also, you know, down to the individualas well, and and wanting to collaborate with with music, even if it's notnecessarily in their mind that they'recollaborating. I think that'swhat they're doing. And that industriescan change by technologies changing and allowingpeople to, you know, just justinteract more directly. Peer to peer as we sawwith with Craigslist. So I want to jump downto, you know, where are we at now? And we're at the beginningstages, I think, of of another revolution. I think the social mediaera is coming to an end, and we're going tocome to it at a different type of era.
I think there'll still be plenty of collaborationand if anything, more, more and more peopleare getting freed up from the drudgery of workand of manual labour. And I did 4 hours of work yesterdayin my in my dad's garden, and it was just, you know,moving trees around, cutting stuff down. And I was just thinkinglike, imaginedoing 30 years of this. This is ridiculous. Thank God for automation,Thank God for machines that can replacethe labour of, you know,hundreds of farm workers with a single tractorand things like this. And more ofthis is just going to come about moreand more and more.
And I am seeing thisat the moment. So I listen to before the music shows,for example, and I've talked about value for value musicbefore go, you know,a couple of episodes previous in thein the last season, and these musiciansare just starting to work together and then they're startingto work together with other people as well,with the podcast app developersto be able to broadcast live with peoplefrom Nostre, with people with specific abilities to create stageproductions. And I think the answer. COSTELLOJust loud concerts brought together a ridiculous amount of people and showed casethat this this could actually workand I might do a little casestudy of that later.
But essentially it was tovalue for value musicians getting togetherand creating something, a live performance with all sortsof interactive abilities going on to read out,boost to do things like this. I myself just sent in222,222 Satoshis So the equivalent of right at this momentprobably about 230 AUD to a guy called Burberrywhose was integral to the creationof that previous concert and wants to do anotherone in the near future. In early April, I believe. So I want to participatein these sorts of things and people are wantingto create more of this. You know,there's talks of trying to get towards a value for valuemusic awards shows.
I'm encouraging Cole,for example, to experimentsto not only just do book reviews for me, but, you know, createanother podcast where he perhaps reads outpoems or short stories or things like this,you know, audio books. And if that is not enoughto just show case that, okay, there is value for valuecollaboration going on, you know, I'm planning on travellingto the US in late July to meet a whole bunch of peopleI've never met before, a whole bunch of them I've never spokento directly before. I don't think I've spoken directly to Burberryin a face to face manner yet I'm willing to spenda ridiculous amount of time, energy, money and all thesesorts of things just to be able to getcloser and to be able to collaborate more,to meet these people and have fun with them.
And, you know, it'skind of like, you know, sorry, my goodfriend Lucas in Brazil, you know, I'll spend three monthswith you, but it's all about thecollaboration elsewhere. Not exactly true, but it's a large partof the inspiration of why I'm travellingis to is to go to the US and to meetall these people. So I thinkcollaboration is a is a huge thing and I think it's just going to become moreand more prevalent and it's going to dictate. It's going to move towards a more valuefor value system where it is more transparentabout who did what and to be ableto split things up.
You know, I didn't even talk aboutthe money aspect of of splits andjust how powerful that is. But I thinkthat did a good job. You let me know of of talkingabout collaboration and why it's important and how we're going to do it moreand more in the future. Welcome to the valuefor value histogram. You got that? I had that music there. This is the Grand Loungewhere I think out some people who helpedto support this show in a monetary formatand to doing great things. And you know, this createstime. Christine.This takes time. A lot of energy,a lot of lights set up here, a lot of, you know, stuffing around, tryingto figure out all of these all of the the audioand technical issues and things like this.
And so, you know,receiving some value back. And once again, for me, it'smore about the messages rather thanthe actual money. But the moneycertainly helps as well. So I'm going to jump into the V for V boostagrams from last week. I'm pretty sureI called out Chad F for jumping inand joining us live. But if I didn't,thank you very much again, as well as Cole, who said we are so backand Cole once again being the voice actorfor those quotes there. The first onethat I really want to read outhere is Dees laughs, and he says, Sickshirt on the cover file, a thousand setssent using fountain.
Thank you, Dees laughs. And he's referring to,of course, the shirt that I'm wearingright now, the Podcasting2.0 certified shirt. And I believe to get that shirtyou need to have donated. I think it was 100, $125through to the podcasting to point our podcastindex project. You just need toif you have done that, just reach out to themand say that. And I also, you know,you brought up shirt, so I also have to talkabout the Miyamoto's one. So if you donate 100,000 Satoshisso at this current moment that is worth 105 ishAustralian dollars, I will send you outa shirt, I'll and you know, if you're in the U.S.,it's a good chance I'll deliver it to youpersonally.
And whether you do thatacross any of the showsthat we produce, the mere mortals,mere mortals book reviews or the valuefor value show of course will do that. And wewe love doing that. So I keep track of that. That's through the boostagrams only, unfortunately notthrough the streaming, because it's kind of hardto to get all that. But yeah, that's just aif you want another shirt, that's that'swhere you can do it. I see Sam Sethi wasstreaming in a lot. I also see Adam see 1999Welcome back 10,000 site and. All. Sent using fountain. Thank you very much Adamthat is of course Adam Curry the godfather sending that inso I very much thank you for him and I also want to give a shout out toI mentioned Sam Sethi.
He's was streaming in through his his ownpodcast app True fans. And I just want to give a shout out to the true fansbecause I think they're doingsome really good things there and it's becominga more fully fleshed out app, reallygreat on the desktop and on your onyour mobile. So either of those isgreat to join in. And I did see thisthis guy here, Marty, who just said good, and I don't knowif this is a boost, I'm not exactly sure. I think it's a boostI got once that from that. Thank you, Marty, and appreciate if you could send inat least a hundred so that can get split up to all the peoplewho I have in my splits.
But he's got a really goodservice there and it's a great onboarding one. So if you're if you're newto all of this and you like Satoshis, boost your groundvalue for value. Like, I don't understandwhat's going on. I'd recommendtrying out true fans because when you're using his app, he's got a lotof explainers that pop up on your screenand say, like, if you do this action,this is what it means. And you can get rewarded from thisby getting some satoshis, which is a portionof Bitcoin. And I would just highlyrecommend trying out true fans.
I think it's a greatservice to onboarding. And if you've got friendswho are you also want to recommend telling them to go to a place where they canjust earn it by doing stuffwithin the app. And you know, obviously they're not goingto become billionaires from doing this,but enough to get a feel for what satoshis areand things like this. I highly recommend checking out true fansand giving that out. So thank youeveryone for who and of course one for joining me in the in the live chatand helped out a lot with getting all of thesesorts of things sorted, especially the audioside of things which were stuffing me upa little bit.
So what are some latestdevelopments? Well, if you listento the podcasting 2.0 show last week,you would have heard that, you know, app development,hard app development, really hard. And I was just going through, you know, all of the different thingsthat you would have to to try and createto every single person who comes in with bugtesting or complaints and, you know,your is not working, this isn't doing thisand doing that. And it's almost like a thankless taskbecause you're I came up with the analogyof Sisyphus rolling the boulder uphill and the boulder is the app because it'sjust never done.
There's always something new to add into it, alwayssomething to be fixed. Had a chat recentlywith Jason Hudgins from Podcast Guru. Another great value forvalue Podcasting 2.0 app where you canlisten to music in there and supportyour favourite artists, which supports splits, which does streaming,which does boost, which does chapters, whichdoes, you know, popping. So you got itinstantly updated. All of these appsare a great service and they're offering excitingbrand new features. And I this is justmy call out to from that interview as well He washe was talking about like you know, at his job I've got a backlog of 168things.
It's just meworking on this app. It's not making moneyat this precise moment. And this is my callup for you at home for listening in, whether you be an appdeveloper yourself or you know, some codingand you want to contribute in an open source manner. I know many of these appsare open source, like a podcast, for example. If you're along that sort of lines, if you're just a casualobserver and you like to to boost in,or if you are perhaps even a podcast creator, you know, you can add these appsin as part of your splits and help to supporttheir development and writings, reviews,you know, bugs, feedback for them, just even simple encouragement collapsed your audienceto use their apps financial support.
If you use our PayPallink down below one and I have committed to sendingthe PayPal's out and to help directly support app developersbecause none of this could have occurred. You know the valuefor value show Adam boosting in them, boosting in streamingin all of these different people, collaborating,coming together. None of this would happenwithout this app and you know, the core group of peoplecreating this. So this is just a shoutout for those at home to to help support thembecause they're there's it's a thanklesstask at times and I think they deserve more contributionrecognition for for everythingthat they're doing.
And yeah if you want to check outthat conversation I did with Jason Hudgins, you'll get a feel for thatand you'll know more about the podcast guruapp as well. So we'll leave it at therefor latest developments. You know, it's worthyof of really reaching out and helping up yourfavourite app developer and letting them knowthat. Let's go on to the whyBitcoin aspect of this, which is the last portion of the showbefore the end where I just talka little bit about somethingthat's related to Bitcoin and whyI particularly encourage using the value valuemodel through it.
And I'm going to talk about the numbergo up phenomena and you'll seeon your screen now the, the awesomegif that Sven stuff Uri claims created and the numbers go upphenomena is in full effect right now. You know, we'rereaching all time highs. I mostly make myarguments for bitcoin and value for valueall through the kind of philosophical aspects why decentralisationmatters, why self sovereignty,sovereignty matters, why having a permissionlessplace to to be able to send money backand forth and matters why privacy matters,all these sorts of things. But there isno denying that that the aspectof number go up makesit makes a big difference, makes a big difference.
And I'm going to ask youto consider today perhaps one of the morebase phenomenons of of human nature,which is greed, or if you want toput it in perhaps a neutral light,it's it's more self-interest, which I think is isprobably maybe a good way of putting it as well. And it's a powerfulincentive. Powerful incentive. So, you know, even though this whole episodewas about why why moneydoesn't matter, I'm going to flip it aroundright at the at the end here and say, you know,money does matter and especiallywhen money goes up. And so every creatorhere over the last two yearshas stuck some sets because participate in the valuefamily unit model who has, you know, hadtheir little stash, had had some incomecome in and who most importantlyhas held onto it, that money has doubled,tripled, even quadrupled from the very bottom.
If you're talkingan Australian dollar times and I think there issomething about that which is worthyof repeating and acknowledging,which is if if you want like the valuefor value model and obviously value for value,you can do it through other mechanisms,you can do it through fiat if you want, you can do it throughAustralian dollars, you can do it through us, you can do it throughJapanese yen, you can do it throughwhatever. But if you're using itthrough a digital money that's on the Internet, that's native for digital content creators,which makes sense, then I think this isa pretty strong argument in terms of once again,the trend of going.
It's it's kind of hardto deny and argue that someonewho created a show you know Ainsley Costelloand just lad for example the show that they did I'm going to guess that was for a five months ago,perhaps even a little bit more since that time. Whatever moneythey have earned from that has doubled, assumingthey held onto it, that is a pretty strongincentive because they're going to tell their friends like, yeah, not only did I earn some money,but it doubled on itself. I didn't have to doanything. So this is just alittle call out here that, you know, number go up.
I don't like tofocus on it. I don't think it'sthe most important thing, but I think it will havean impact. And, you know, these these digital contentcreators, they're goingto want more of it. And it's like, okay, well,how can I get paid in this in this magicInternet money? And three for for creating my art,for doing things. And you're not going todo it through Instagram. You're not going to do itthrough TikTok. You can earn some,you know, ice creamemojis and and random crap like that, tokensthat they've put in there. But no, the place that you're going to doit is through the, you know, 15ish podcast apps.
I list out a lost a lot ofthem all the time. You know in the just in this episode truefans pod verse podcast gallery fountains really good breezesgreat cosmetics awesome. If you want the videoside of things, you can goto three speak if you want to build noagenda tube for example. There's plenty of the different placesCura Costa and the listgo on pod station if you want to do itin your browser. So many different places,you can do this directly through the podcastindex website. That's that's where thesepeople are going to go. And you know, this is just another recommendation,another trend saying, okay, you know, I think this is worthy of considerationand looking out for.
So we're going to come into our final sectionhere, which is the V for the section,the value for value. And this is where you canshare some time, talent and treasure to helpmake the show better. Sharing the episodewith the digital creator. I think that's probably one of the best things, you know, easiest thingsthat you can do, whether it be a musician,whether it be a podcast, whether it bea digital artist, whether it be a voiceactor, you know, whether it be someonecreating filters, visual effects,all these sorts of things, you know,send it, send this episode to him or send the podcast to himand just say like, Hey, there's a thingcalled value for value.
And it'sgot some interesting it's an interesting model and a way of connectingwith the audience and and being able to monetiseat the same time worth checking out. And you can also join melive, which is really fun. I do this 10 a.m. Australian EasternStandard Time on a monday. So that is if you're likeAustralian Eastern Standard Time,I don't understand. It is UTCmidnight on a Sunday. So whatever your time zone is, the world you know,plus ten for me here in Australia so plus tenfrom midnight is 10 a.m. on a monday. If you're a negativeyou know eight then that would make it,you know, 4 p.m.
in the afternoonon a Sunday easy fast. So that is the timethat you can do talent, you know. Is there anything I can do to make this show better? Is there anythingaudio wise video was that you'd prefer to do resources that are similarto the ethos that overlapwith all the things I'm talking about here? Do you have any bookrecommendations for books that describe trendsmoving towards crowdfunding modelsor peer to peer or things that have the value forvalue ethos or examples of bands, movies, companies moving towardsthis sort of model? I would love to knowthese sorts of things, so sending in thatrecommendation would be awesome.
And then finally,treasure. I've talked about thisa bit. Use a new podcastapp boost in streaming a portion 15%, 10% goes to the variouspeople who have helped me outon this show. You know, the door fallsfor the pre and the pre-show musicas well as the intro music call for reading out hisvoice, actingchords there, and also Sven stuff Fury Flamesfor his awesome gifts that he's allowed meto use for Chapter eight. All these sorts of things,you know, if you boost in portions of this,goes to each of them. So really, you know, boost and streaming it'svery much appreciated into this directly with the money in one of thosepodcasting apps you can go to the podcastindex website and there's also a PayPallink down below.
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Why am I travellingacross the world? To meet people I've neverspoken to before. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Welcome everyone to another episode of theValue for Value podcast. I'm your host, Kyrin here,and this is a podcast for digital content creators who want to connect deeperwith their audience, perhaps monetise their podcastor their product or their musicor whatever it is that they're creatingdigitally and experiencethe benefits of peer to peer connection directlywith their audience without having to use the big conglomerationsof Spotify or, you know, social media and all thesesorts of things.
Now this episode todayis going to talk a little bitabout why we collaborate and perhaps how collaborationmight change in the future and how industrieshave changed overall. So why do we do it? Some different typesof collaboration, how it's changedindustries and where we fit. The collaboration is as wespeak. As I'm recording hereon the 11th of March 2024. So why do people workfor free? I think it'sa good question to ask. And let's start off with bustinga common misconception and one that you'llconstantly hear me repeating on this show.
Value does not only equal money,money is part of it, but it's not the onlything in the world. And I think that moneyis not everything, which is why, you know, why aren't people justchasing it constantly? Why isn't it not the only thingon their mind that they're constantlydriving for that dictatesall their decisions? Why is everyonenot an investment banker and working out in the coal minesin hot, sweaty conditions to earnas much bank as they can? And you know, why wouldpeople even collaborate for for no monetary gain,for no financial gain? And this iswhy we're going to start diving into a book called The Inevitableby Kevin Kelly, because he's got quite a few points here from this periodof the 2000 where people are startingto collaborate online.
And we were noticing,some interesting behavioursare starting to occur. They're actually workingreally hard and not necessarilyfor financial gain. So we're going to have call read out here from page 141 and then we'll do a little bit of analysisof this quote. In contrast to the previous categoryof casual cooperation, collaboration on largecomplex projects tend to bring the participantsonly indirect benefits, since each memberof the group interacts with only a small partof the end product and enthusiastsmay spend months writing code for a subroutinewhen the program's full utilityis several years away.
In fact, the work rewardratio is so out of kilter from a free marketperspective, the workers do immenseamounts of high market value workwithout being paid. That these collaborativeefforts make no sensewithin capitalism. I'm adding to the economicdissonance we've become accustomedto enjoying the products of these collaborationsfree of charge. Half of all web pages in the world today are hosted on morethan 35 million servers running freeApache software, which is open sourcecommunity, created a free clearinghouse called 3DWarehouse offer several million complex3D models of any form you can imagine a bootto a bridge created and freely swapped by the very skilledenthusiasts.
Nearly 1 million communitydesigned Arduino sends 6 millionRaspberry Pi computers have been builtby schools and hobbyists. Their designsare encouraged to be copied freely and used as the basisfor new products instead of money. The peer producerswho create these products and services gaincredit status, reputation, enjoyment, satisfactionand experience. So what we hear from that is not only arepeople collaborating, but they're not doing itfor a hobby. This is not just a little bit of a fun thingon the side. This is getting closeto serious work, large scale collaboration,writing code for a subroutine.
You know, it's it'snot the sort of things where you'd instantly say like, that's that's the most intriguingthing out there. Now, look,for some people, they actually reallylike coding. And, you know, I'm probablyone of these people who's dived into something that most peoplewould be like, That's really boring. Why would you wasteyour time and spend time on that? But it's interestinggoing through this and we see peoplewho are working dedicatedly on a project,you know, this is what the it's gotresponsibilities, it's got deadlines. Things have to be met.
It's large scalecollaboration with, you know, large actual kind ofcorporate structures where or hierarchies, corporate is probably notthe best word for this. And they still do itwithout compensation. But as we heardin that last line, I think thatlast line is crucial. What else did they get inin return for this? Well, they get credit, they get status,they get reputation, enjoyment, satisfactionand experience. So when we start to look at collaborationthrough a V for V lens where we acknowledge,okay, not everything is needingto be in a monetary form and a.k.a the philosophyof value for value.
I think it explainsa lot of this behaviour. So we can say, all right, there's some collaborationgoing on and people aren't doing itjust for money. But is there much creativecollaboration? Is there many peoplebanding together to create something that is perhaps uniqueor that they really want? And this is where I saythere is a ridiculous amount. My favouritego to recently has been to use Tick Tock and I think this isjust a great place to see what are people actually doing on Tik Tokand what kind of stuff are they? Collaborate, how are theycollaborating on their And I was just doing this last night just to make sure for myself because I didn't really create TikTok on the on the usual.
But I was like, I know I've seenwhat people are doing and I'll I'll go through a couple of the settingsand just, you know, create a little videoand see what I can do. So what you can do is you can add musicto your video from, you know, musiciansall across the world. You can put graphic video effects, you know, swiping, stopping, doingthese sorts of things. You can add imagery,you can put photos, you can put stickersand you can put filters. You can have different typesof stylistic texts and links that linkout to all these things. So we can see just onthe technical standpoint, Tik-Tok didn't createall the stuff they didn't create,you know, the various differentfonts.
They didn't createall of these filters. It was people adding them and they would incorporatethemselves into the app. But there wasso much stuff that's behind itand people are using this. They're using it to create different types of videosand things like this. So we've got on like the technicalstandpoint, there's a lot of collaborativethings that go on. And then if you lookat the other side of it, there's a lot of things that people do, which is actual content that they'recollaborating with. So they will reduce dances that they've seenother people create.
Or perhaps, you know, it'svery unlikely because it's likethe whole chain of events. That's got to besomeone who created the, the first like,you know, rolling move and punching thingor doing it to Doja cat. They reusenew stories, they reuse books and quotesfrom books a.k.a like I'm doing right now,they reuse jokes. They do in a certainextent. They reusewhat other people have created in terms of artand in terms of even building structuresand, you know, doing walkthroughs of this is my favourite gym is my favouritepiece of equipment. Look at this.
Like, here's ahow to here's how to do this thing our products and just straight upother people's content. They will you know how many reaction videosare there to animate to manga,to other people's videos, to viral clips,all these sorts of things. So the whole place is just full ofexternal references to other things. It's pretty rare to have someonecreating something which is completely unique to them,which doesn't reference somewhere else out. And there's a huge workforceand huge hours being made up in thiscollaborative work, and this is where we're going to jump onto another page, another quote from page243 that backs up this statement.
So far, the biggest onlinecollaboration efforts are opensource projects and the largest of them,such as Apache, managed several hundredcontributors about the sizeof a village. One study estimatesthat 60,000 person years of work have poured into the release of FedoraLinux nine. So we have proofthat Self-assembly and the dynamicsof sharing can govern a project. On a scale of a town, of course, the total censusof participants in online collectivework is far greater. Reddit, the collaborativefiltering site has 170 millionunique visitors per month and 10,000daily active communities.
YouTube claims1 billion monthly users. They are the workforce that produces the videosthat now compete with TV. Nearly 25 millionregistered users have contributedto Wikipedia. 130,000 of themare designated active. More than 300 million active usershave posted on Instagram, and more than 700million groups participate in Facebookgroups each month. So there'sa ridiculous amount. And obviously social mediais a phenomena that has captured a large partof the world's attention, I guess you'd say,for the last 115 years, something like that,maybe 20 years.
Few, including YouTubein this. And so we see a lot ofpeople are creating stuff. So I would say there how much creativecollaboration is there? That's all we do. That'sall we do as humans. And from thisyou might say, okay, you know, look at these numbers that people are creating up on Redditand on Facebook, Wikipedia or Instagram,all these sorts of places. Doesn't this suggest that people will createwithout profit and perhaps even without attribution? Because in that tik-tok add a, you know, referencethat I just made sure there'ssome little references here in there of, you know,especially if it's a music clip, it'll, it'll show downat the bottom, you know, whatthe music clip is and make it easierfor you to, to share that viralityor to use it in your own clip.
But I think there'sa lot of stuff going on where it's actually not that, you know, one, people aren't being ableto make a profit. And to the attributionthat is not so great. And so you could take well and obviously this showsthat V for V is not necessary because it offersthose sorts of things. But people are willingto do it anyway. And this is where I go,Yeah, this is where I'm starting to see a trendgoing of people are getting a bit fed up withthese platforms as well. Not only there is that the risk of of youbeing taken off, whether it be for justor unjust reasons like that was a recent newsstory of a US someone on Spotify they were hosting throughSpotify, Spotify for podcasts, very successful showand they just got taken off for no reason.
And you know, it'sa computer glitch. It's, you know, malfeasance,whatever it is that malevolencedoesn't really matter. We seethat not only is there that,but I think there's also, you know, just getting a little bitsick of the social media, these places of making fatstacks of you creating and you're onlygetting pincers in return, whether it be through a little bitof advertising or, you know, a little bit of, I suppose, what the social media platformsoffer is, is really a lot of clout. That's it's part of that behaviourthat we saw before, the status, the reputationand things like that.
But I do definitely seethis trend happening wherepeople are being like, I want to collaboratein different ways and there's just notthe access, the ability to do itthrough these platforms and in the waythat I really want to. So this iswhere we're coming into. The next portion herewas, okay, can these ideals of value for value changeindustry is can they break the revolution? Can the revolutionbreak through and create a new productor a new way of operating, which is outside of whatyou would say of like like the lockdown social mediaplatforms, for example.
And I think the answer to this is ais a resounding yes. And I'm going to jumponto page 145 here, which will show onesuch example of this. How close to a noncapitalistic open source peer production societycan this movement take us? Every time that questionhas been asked, the answer has been closerthan we thought. Consider Craigslist justclassified ads, right? Craigslistis far more than that. It amplified the handycommunity swap board until it reacheda regional audience, then enhanced the adswith pictures. It let the consumer do all the workof inputting their own ads and more important, kept the ads in real timewith real time updates.
And to top it off,it made them free. National classifiedsads for free. How could debt laden corporate newspaperscompete with that, operating without statefunding or control, connecting citizensdirectly to citizens? Globally, daily, this mostly freemarketplace achieved social goodat an efficiency. And at its peak,it had only 30 employees that would staggerany government or traditionalcorporation. Sure, peer to peerclassified undermines the business model of newspapers, but at the same timeit makes an indisputable casethat the sharing model is a viable alternative to both profitseeking corporations and tax supportedcivic institutions.
Yeah, Yeah. So, Imean, corporate newspapers and one of their hugerevenue sources of classifiedads got wrecked. Absolutelywrecked by 30 people. If you think Spotify,YouTube, or any of these othersocial media platforms cannot be toppled,you're definitely wrong. I mean, like the newspaperindustry is hundreds of years old,some of these places. And just bya simple mechanism of allowing usersto create their own ads. And, you know, granted,that's a structured format still. They couldn't do anything and everythingthat they wanted to, but they offeredmore ability to do it.
They offered to do itfor free through throughthis Craigslist platform. And it just changedan industry. It absolutely decimated a lot of what was happeningto the newspapers, and they had to adaptand change that. So, you know, thesethese other corporations, the the the ones ofof social media and things like that,they're absolutely babies comparedto some of these longer standing industries which didget revolutionised just by the Internet,by the ability to create peer to peer interact in amore peer to peer manner. And I think a quickbit of history will show that nothinglost forever and that I hope the argument that I've made hereis that collaboration one, humans like to do it and it's not necessarilyfor money, but to they will do it on a large, large scaleand you can do it through, you know, corporate structuresor through hierarchies and things like that.
But it's also, you know, down to the individualas well, and and wanting to collaborate with with music, even if it's notnecessarily in their mind that they'recollaborating. I think that'swhat they're doing. And that industriescan change by technologies changing and allowingpeople to, you know, just justinteract more directly. Peer to peer as we sawwith with Craigslist. So I want to jump downto, you know, where are we at now? And we're at the beginningstages, I think, of of another revolution. I think the social mediaera is coming to an end, and we're going tocome to it at a different type of era.
I think there'll still be plenty of collaborationand if anything, more, more and more peopleare getting freed up from the drudgery of workand of manual labour. And I did 4 hours of work yesterdayin my in my dad's garden, and it was just, you know,moving trees around, cutting stuff down. And I was just thinkinglike, imaginedoing 30 years of this. This is ridiculous. Thank God for automation,Thank God for machines that can replacethe labour of, you know,hundreds of farm workers with a single tractorand things like this. And more ofthis is just going to come about moreand more and more.
And I am seeing thisat the moment. So I listen to before the music shows,for example, and I've talked about value for value musicbefore go, you know,a couple of episodes previous in thein the last season, and these musiciansare just starting to work together and then they're startingto work together with other people as well,with the podcast app developersto be able to broadcast live with peoplefrom Nostre, with people with specific abilities to create stageproductions. And I think the answer. COSTELLOJust loud concerts brought together a ridiculous amount of people and showed casethat this this could actually workand I might do a little casestudy of that later.
But essentially it was tovalue for value musicians getting togetherand creating something, a live performance with all sortsof interactive abilities going on to read out,boost to do things like this. I myself just sent in222,222 Satoshis So the equivalent of right at this momentprobably about 230 AUD to a guy called Burberrywhose was integral to the creationof that previous concert and wants to do anotherone in the near future. In early April, I believe. So I want to participatein these sorts of things and people are wantingto create more of this. You know,there's talks of trying to get towards a value for valuemusic awards shows.
I'm encouraging Cole,for example, to experimentsto not only just do book reviews for me, but, you know, createanother podcast where he perhaps reads outpoems or short stories or things like this,you know, audio books. And if that is not enoughto just show case that, okay, there is value for valuecollaboration going on, you know, I'm planning on travellingto the US in late July to meet a whole bunch of peopleI've never met before, a whole bunch of them I've never spokento directly before. I don't think I've spoken directly to Burberryin a face to face manner yet I'm willing to spenda ridiculous amount of time, energy, money and all thesesorts of things just to be able to getcloser and to be able to collaborate more,to meet these people and have fun with them.
And, you know, it'skind of like, you know, sorry, my goodfriend Lucas in Brazil, you know, I'll spend three monthswith you, but it's all about thecollaboration elsewhere. Not exactly true, but it's a large partof the inspiration of why I'm travellingis to is to go to the US and to meetall these people. So I thinkcollaboration is a is a huge thing and I think it's just going to become moreand more prevalent and it's going to dictate. It's going to move towards a more valuefor value system where it is more transparentabout who did what and to be ableto split things up.
You know, I didn't even talk aboutthe money aspect of of splits andjust how powerful that is. But I thinkthat did a good job. You let me know of of talkingabout collaboration and why it's important and how we're going to do it moreand more in the future. Welcome to the valuefor value histogram. You got that? I had that music there. This is the Grand Loungewhere I think out some people who helpedto support this show in a monetary formatand to doing great things. And you know, this createstime. Christine.This takes time. A lot of energy,a lot of lights set up here, a lot of, you know, stuffing around, tryingto figure out all of these all of the the audioand technical issues and things like this.
And so, you know,receiving some value back. And once again, for me, it'smore about the messages rather thanthe actual money. But the moneycertainly helps as well. So I'm going to jump into the V for V boostagrams from last week. I'm pretty sureI called out Chad F for jumping inand joining us live. But if I didn't,thank you very much again, as well as Cole, who said we are so backand Cole once again being the voice actorfor those quotes there. The first onethat I really want to read outhere is Dees laughs, and he says, Sickshirt on the cover file, a thousand setssent using fountain.
Thank you, Dees laughs. And he's referring to,of course, the shirt that I'm wearingright now, the Podcasting2.0 certified shirt. And I believe to get that shirtyou need to have donated. I think it was 100, $125through to the podcasting to point our podcastindex project. You just need toif you have done that, just reach out to themand say that. And I also, you know,you brought up shirt, so I also have to talkabout the Miyamoto's one. So if you donate 100,000 Satoshisso at this current moment that is worth 105 ishAustralian dollars, I will send you outa shirt, I'll and you know, if you're in the U.S.,it's a good chance I'll deliver it to youpersonally.
And whether you do thatacross any of the showsthat we produce, the mere mortals,mere mortals book reviews or the valuefor value show of course will do that. And wewe love doing that. So I keep track of that. That's through the boostagrams only, unfortunately notthrough the streaming, because it's kind of hardto to get all that. But yeah, that's just aif you want another shirt, that's that'swhere you can do it. I see Sam Sethi wasstreaming in a lot. I also see Adam see 1999Welcome back 10,000 site and. All. Sent using fountain. Thank you very much Adamthat is of course Adam Curry the godfather sending that inso I very much thank you for him and I also want to give a shout out toI mentioned Sam Sethi.
He's was streaming in through his his ownpodcast app True fans. And I just want to give a shout out to the true fansbecause I think they're doingsome really good things there and it's becominga more fully fleshed out app, reallygreat on the desktop and on your onyour mobile. So either of those isgreat to join in. And I did see thisthis guy here, Marty, who just said good, and I don't knowif this is a boost, I'm not exactly sure. I think it's a boostI got once that from that. Thank you, Marty, and appreciate if you could send inat least a hundred so that can get split up to all the peoplewho I have in my splits.
But he's got a really goodservice there and it's a great onboarding one. So if you're if you're newto all of this and you like Satoshis, boost your groundvalue for value. Like, I don't understandwhat's going on. I'd recommendtrying out true fans because when you're using his app, he's got a lotof explainers that pop up on your screenand say, like, if you do this action,this is what it means. And you can get rewarded from thisby getting some satoshis, which is a portionof Bitcoin. And I would just highlyrecommend trying out true fans.
I think it's a greatservice to onboarding. And if you've got friendswho are you also want to recommend telling them to go to a place where they canjust earn it by doing stuffwithin the app. And you know, obviously they're not goingto become billionaires from doing this,but enough to get a feel for what satoshis areand things like this. I highly recommend checking out true fansand giving that out. So thank youeveryone for who and of course one for joining me in the in the live chatand helped out a lot with getting all of thesesorts of things sorted, especially the audioside of things which were stuffing me upa little bit.
So what are some latestdevelopments? Well, if you listento the podcasting 2.0 show last week,you would have heard that, you know, app development,hard app development, really hard. And I was just going through, you know, all of the different thingsthat you would have to to try and createto every single person who comes in with bugtesting or complaints and, you know,your is not working, this isn't doing thisand doing that. And it's almost like a thankless taskbecause you're I came up with the analogyof Sisyphus rolling the boulder uphill and the boulder is the app because it'sjust never done.
There's always something new to add into it, alwayssomething to be fixed. Had a chat recentlywith Jason Hudgins from Podcast Guru. Another great value forvalue Podcasting 2.0 app where you canlisten to music in there and supportyour favourite artists, which supports splits, which does streaming,which does boost, which does chapters, whichdoes, you know, popping. So you got itinstantly updated. All of these appsare a great service and they're offering excitingbrand new features. And I this is justmy call out to from that interview as well He washe was talking about like you know, at his job I've got a backlog of 168things.
It's just meworking on this app. It's not making moneyat this precise moment. And this is my callup for you at home for listening in, whether you be an appdeveloper yourself or you know, some codingand you want to contribute in an open source manner. I know many of these appsare open source, like a podcast, for example. If you're along that sort of lines, if you're just a casualobserver and you like to to boost in,or if you are perhaps even a podcast creator, you know, you can add these appsin as part of your splits and help to supporttheir development and writings, reviews,you know, bugs, feedback for them, just even simple encouragement collapsed your audienceto use their apps financial support.
If you use our PayPallink down below one and I have committed to sendingthe PayPal's out and to help directly support app developersbecause none of this could have occurred. You know the valuefor value show Adam boosting in them, boosting in streamingin all of these different people, collaborating,coming together. None of this would happenwithout this app and you know, the core group of peoplecreating this. So this is just a shoutout for those at home to to help support thembecause they're there's it's a thanklesstask at times and I think they deserve more contributionrecognition for for everythingthat they're doing.
And yeah if you want to check outthat conversation I did with Jason Hudgins, you'll get a feel for thatand you'll know more about the podcast guruapp as well. So we'll leave it at therefor latest developments. You know, it's worthyof of really reaching out and helping up yourfavourite app developer and letting them knowthat. Let's go on to the whyBitcoin aspect of this, which is the last portion of the showbefore the end where I just talka little bit about somethingthat's related to Bitcoin and whyI particularly encourage using the value valuemodel through it.
And I'm going to talk about the numbergo up phenomena and you'll seeon your screen now the, the awesomegif that Sven stuff Uri claims created and the numbers go upphenomena is in full effect right now. You know, we'rereaching all time highs. I mostly make myarguments for bitcoin and value for valueall through the kind of philosophical aspects why decentralisationmatters, why self sovereignty,sovereignty matters, why having a permissionlessplace to to be able to send money backand forth and matters why privacy matters,all these sorts of things. But there isno denying that that the aspectof number go up makesit makes a big difference, makes a big difference.
And I'm going to ask youto consider today perhaps one of the morebase phenomenons of of human nature,which is greed, or if you want toput it in perhaps a neutral light,it's it's more self-interest, which I think is isprobably maybe a good way of putting it as well. And it's a powerfulincentive. Powerful incentive. So, you know, even though this whole episodewas about why why moneydoesn't matter, I'm going to flip it aroundright at the at the end here and say, you know,money does matter and especiallywhen money goes up. And so every creatorhere over the last two yearshas stuck some sets because participate in the valuefamily unit model who has, you know, hadtheir little stash, had had some incomecome in and who most importantlyhas held onto it, that money has doubled,tripled, even quadrupled from the very bottom.
If you're talkingan Australian dollar times and I think there issomething about that which is worthyof repeating and acknowledging,which is if if you want like the valuefor value model and obviously value for value,you can do it through other mechanisms,you can do it through fiat if you want, you can do it throughAustralian dollars, you can do it through us, you can do it throughJapanese yen, you can do it throughwhatever. But if you're using itthrough a digital money that's on the Internet, that's native for digital content creators,which makes sense, then I think this isa pretty strong argument in terms of once again,the trend of going.
It's it's kind of hardto deny and argue that someonewho created a show you know Ainsley Costelloand just lad for example the show that they did I'm going to guess that was for a five months ago,perhaps even a little bit more since that time. Whatever moneythey have earned from that has doubled, assumingthey held onto it, that is a pretty strongincentive because they're going to tell their friends like, yeah, not only did I earn some money,but it doubled on itself. I didn't have to doanything. So this is just alittle call out here that, you know, number go up.
I don't like tofocus on it. I don't think it'sthe most important thing, but I think it will havean impact. And, you know, these these digital contentcreators, they're goingto want more of it. And it's like, okay, well,how can I get paid in this in this magicInternet money? And three for for creating my art,for doing things. And you're not going todo it through Instagram. You're not going to do itthrough TikTok. You can earn some,you know, ice creamemojis and and random crap like that, tokensthat they've put in there. But no, the place that you're going to doit is through the, you know, 15ish podcast apps.
I list out a lost a lot ofthem all the time. You know in the just in this episode truefans pod verse podcast gallery fountains really good breezesgreat cosmetics awesome. If you want the videoside of things, you can goto three speak if you want to build noagenda tube for example. There's plenty of the different placesCura Costa and the listgo on pod station if you want to do itin your browser. So many different places,you can do this directly through the podcastindex website. That's that's where thesepeople are going to go. And you know, this is just another recommendation,another trend saying, okay, you know, I think this is worthy of considerationand looking out for.
So we're going to come into our final sectionhere, which is the V for the section,the value for value. And this is where you canshare some time, talent and treasure to helpmake the show better. Sharing the episodewith the digital creator. I think that's probably one of the best things, you know, easiest thingsthat you can do, whether it be a musician,whether it be a podcast, whether it bea digital artist, whether it be a voiceactor, you know, whether it be someonecreating filters, visual effects,all these sorts of things, you know,send it, send this episode to him or send the podcast to himand just say like, Hey, there's a thingcalled value for value.
And it'sgot some interesting it's an interesting model and a way of connectingwith the audience and and being able to monetiseat the same time worth checking out. And you can also join melive, which is really fun. I do this 10 a.m. Australian EasternStandard Time on a monday. So that is if you're likeAustralian Eastern Standard Time,I don't understand. It is UTCmidnight on a Sunday. So whatever your time zone is, the world you know,plus ten for me here in Australia so plus tenfrom midnight is 10 a.m. on a monday. If you're a negativeyou know eight then that would make it,you know, 4 p.m.
in the afternoonon a Sunday easy fast. So that is the timethat you can do talent, you know. Is there anything I can do to make this show better? Is there anythingaudio wise video was that you'd prefer to do resources that are similarto the ethos that overlapwith all the things I'm talking about here? Do you have any bookrecommendations for books that describe trendsmoving towards crowdfunding modelsor peer to peer or things that have the value forvalue ethos or examples of bands, movies, companies moving towardsthis sort of model? I would love to knowthese sorts of things, so sending in thatrecommendation would be awesome.
And then finally,treasure. I've talked about thisa bit. Use a new podcastapp boost in streaming a portion 15%, 10% goes to the variouspeople who have helped me outon this show. You know, the door fallsfor the pre and the pre-show musicas well as the intro music call for reading out hisvoice, actingchords there, and also Sven stuff Fury Flamesfor his awesome gifts that he's allowed meto use for Chapter eight. All these sorts of things,you know, if you boost in portions of this,goes to each of them. So really, you know, boost and streaming it'svery much appreciated into this directly with the money in one of thosepodcasting apps you can go to the podcastindex website and there's also a PayPallink down below.
Awesome. We're going to cometo the final portion here, which is where I playa value for value song and just to help supportmusicians, to help support everyone who is, you know, workingin all of these things. And we're going to useI'm a bit of a sucker to be honest,for Australians and for Australian musicsupporting local, local in the sensethat she's in Perth. You know how manyhours four or five hour flight from Brisbane, A local, local artisthere in Australia whose name is Abi Muir, she's got this songcalled Stockholm and it's just a banger.
So she'sgoing to take us out and until next week. Thank youeveryone for joining.
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