We need to have a serious chat today, I’m laying down the law!
In Ep #15 we’re examining if you need to be tough with your listeners to get them to participate in v4v? This question came from the origins of v4v coined from Adam Curry. I suggest some rules of thumb to help answer it before ending off with the latest news from Podcasting 2.0 and the interview with Franco Solerio.
No people to thank this week, sad seal noises.
Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(0:49) - The origin of tough love
(4:49) - Some rules of thumb
(11:02) - Podcast Index news
(12:04) - Boostagram Lounge
(12:54) - Protip: Follow your own advice
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In Ep #15 we’re examining if you need to be tough with your listeners to get them to participate in v4v? This question came from the origins of v4v coined from Adam Curry. I suggest some rules of thumb to help answer it before ending off with the latest news from Podcasting 2.0 and the interview with Franco Solerio.
No people to thank this week, sad seal noises.
Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(0:49) - The origin of tough love
(4:49) - Some rules of thumb
(11:02) - Podcast Index news
(12:04) - Boostagram Lounge
(12:54) - Protip: Follow your own advice
Value 4 Value Support:
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Paypal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/meremortalspodcast
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We need to have a serious chat today, I'm laying down the law. Yes, indeed, welcome everyone to another episode of the value for value podcast. My name is Kyrin. And this is indeed the Podcast where we explore the value for value model, how one can create a relationship with their audience, their listeners, their fans, if you will, and find a way to live in this crazy, crazy world without the need for advertising, or perhaps you want to use it a little bit. But the value for value model is a way of not needing it and creating and connecting with your audience in deeper manner, and being able to be I would even say more truthful with them. But we'll save that for another time. I'm asking a question today, which is how tough do you need to be with your listeners? So this is Episode 15, the value of tough love. Now, where did I get this from? Well, the origin of this was in Episode 63, podcasting 2.0. And there was two things that jumped out at me here. One was Adam's theory, and the other was dazed behavior, putting this into practice. So they were chatting with Franco Solero, who is the owner, the creator of Castamatic one of the very cool podcasting 2.0 apps where you can indeed boost this podcast boost me right now.
That'd be cool. And they were talking about, I guess, just the general methodology of podcasting of podcasting apps. And Adams said something which was sometimes you need to go elsewhere, and perhaps even threaten to get people to participate in the value for value. So he, for example, was saying, sometimes you need to say, hey, this show won't go on unless you help fund it unless you help provide value for me because I need to live in the real world as well. There are expenses for podcasting, hosting for, you know, living a normal life and all those sorts of things. And you could say things like, you know, what these people are douchebags because they're listening, I know, they listen, but they're not participating as well, they're not helping out the show what a douchebag behavior. And maybe even things like, you know, there's a special episode coming up, you might want to send, you know, 16 sets, because it's Episode 16, coming up next week, those sorts of things. So you're almost guilting your audience into, into behaving in certain ways into participating. And the other aspect of this was was then Dave, although this is kind of the reverse, but he was showing the the behavior, which was saying to Franco, hey, I really enjoyed participating.
But you've only given me the option of spending $9.99, or whatever it was per year, to use the additional features of the customer recap, I want a $29. One, I want a $59. One, I want options. And now this is the opposite way, indeed. Because normally, it should be Franco saying, Hey, I'm providing you these other options. I need you to participate, or the customer gap could go away, I can't continue to do all of this just on my own without any help, I need your help, please help participate in this. So I guess what it was just getting out there, which is something a little bit maybe even distasteful if you're looking at it from a without a nuanced view, which is, oh, you're you're trying to force people to do certain things. And you're doing this with the stick rather, rather than with the carrot, you're saying, Hey, do this thing, or bad things will happen? Or, you know, I'm going to guilt you into this because you're not doing this, etc, etc.
So some of the questions that were raised for me was okay, when does it become entitlement or bullying? Perhaps when you're, you're forcing your listeners to do certain things. Obviously, it's a little bit funny, because you're doing it through the microphone. But hey, people can get really addicted to stuff and there's cult leaders out there who aren't even in physical communication with their, with their culties if you're if that's what they're called, I'm not really sure. Another one would be okay, it's bad, but it's for the greater good. And you can see this sort of thinking could lead to very bad situations indeed, because you just say, oh, you know what, I'll just do that do that extra thing. I'll Doc's this person because they're not participating in the show, an extreme example, but once again, you can see how the slippery slope argument would would work in this case. And another one would be simply will it drive people away? Will me you know, showing, I suppose negative, creating those negative stimulations and people would that actually people drive people away from my show, would this make my show more unwatchable? Would this not create the behavior that I want from them, which is something you could say is inherently good, which is to provide value and giving and taking life?
Everyone knows that it's better to give than receive or we all say that, and some people follow it, some don't. But that's the general principle. So what what can we do with all these questions? Well, I have thought of some rules of thumb. So here's a couple of rules of thumbs that I thought would maybe shed some light on this and maybe how To answer these in an indirect way, so a couple of things that came up for me was number one, it probably needs to be sustainable. So, if you feel bad, or you dread doing it, that's kind of like an old situation, you might need to look out for that. So if you are, you know, doing a normal podcast, and then you're getting to the episode, end of the episode, and you're like, Oh, God, now comes a section where I need to call people out for being douchebags because they're not participating, or if they are, you know, trying to guilt them into doing certain things, and you feel really bad about that. And you just dreading that sort of situation, I think that would leak into your show and into your general persona and your, your general outlook of, of what you're doing. And if that's what's happening, that's, that's unsustainable, you need to find a different way to do it. So for perhaps for some people, the, the yelling, the threatening the swearing, might not work for you just as a person. And so you need to maybe look at different ways. And maybe you need to do something a bit more subtler, or maybe you need to really just emphasize the carrot, hey, I've got this cool new feature, I do this for you, I do that for you, please, please, it would really help etc, etc. Another rule of thumb that I thought of was maybe introspect your feelings and thoughts. So why would be the reason that you wouldn't be doing this, for example, some people are just more argumentative and combative by nature. This is you can look at the personality traits, the Big Five and it would probably fall under extraversion and agreeableness. So the, if you're more agreeable, you're not going to be wanting to do these things. So me, for example, I could just say, I know this about myself, I hate conflict. I really dislike when people are arguing near me on TV on screens. Like I don't like drama, for example, that sort of genre just does not appeal to me at all. Why would I want to watch something that raises my stress levels through the roof and things like that? Now, I could then ask, okay, but am I avoiding doing something that?
Am I avoiding doing this just because I don't like conflict? Because just because I don't like conflict doesn't mean that conflict is bad. And then it's not necessary in my life. Sometimes you need to have tough discussions and arguments indeed, with your, with your loved ones, with the spouse with your friends. You know, communication is, is pretty critical. And you can't have clear communication without, you know, ruffling some feathers sometimes. So introspecting, and looking deep. And that's something I need to do for sure. And going, huh, am I not doing this because I just don't like doing it. And I don't want to spend the time required to get comfortable saying things and doing things that just aren't inherently something that comes in my nature. So that's another one there. I would say experimentation doesn't hurt anyone. So if you're thinking off the go, or this is going to drive people away, it's going to ruin my show, as it's probably not, if you've done, you know, what's the mere mortals up to now where and somewhere around the 250 range of episodes plus another couple of 100 for different other things. I think your audience would probably know by now what sort of person you are. And so if you start behaving, behaving in a certain way, in with a very, very slight change and showing, hey, this thing is happening now. And this is the reason why and I'm going to just start doing this, you're not going to drive people away unless they were already there for other circumstances, like you're doing free giveaways all the time or something else. So I would say that the experimentation really doesn't hurt. And in fact, you almost need to do it because there's the I think it's a classic Einstein quote or Thomas Edison where it's you know, if you do something 1000 times over and you expect different results from it, and you do it the exact same way that's insanity, that's just being crazy. So you know what, maybe you do need to try doing something different and calling people out on their, their lacking behavior and their own participation in the value for value model, which you're probably integrating into your show if this is if you're listening this far into the the this value for value episode.
Another one might be listened to and review. So this is a pretty critical one. And I talked about this in one of the latest musings of meanderings of my show the mere mortals. So this would have been episode 246 When we're talking about metrics, and so one and I really like to go back and look at things you know, how many pushups did I do this week? How long will my handstands How much did I eat? What is my weight and waist and tracking things? And so applying the same sort of behavior, listening to some of your own episodes with the You'd have maybe a week slag. So you've got a bit of a distance between you and what was said and how you were behaving then and you can go hmm, you know what? Maybe I came across too harshly, then maybe I need to dial it down a little bit. Maybe I shouldn't call out someone by name. Maybe I need to say it in this certain way. Maybe I need to add more human things like that. So what did the you know? How do you come across? And then also, what did the numbers say? You could then start tallying stuff up.
Okay. I was introducing some tough love this week, I was laying down the law. And I saw some more participation the next week or the weeks after, okay, maybe this is something I need to investigate more. Another one, and my last one would be adopt a long Outlook. So spend more time looking in just the future. And this is tying in, I guess, into the sustainability. Should I be doing this with more humor? Is this a bombardment or am I just sprinkling it in things like that, so it's just a little bit here and there and it's nothing too crazy. Now onto the podcast, index news and everything going on with podcasting 2.0. Episode 63 was the latest one, and I just gotta say, Franco was a great guy. He's very, very funny, multitalented and he obviously cares deeply deeply about his creation and cosmetic. It was really cool just listening to him and then riffing off on all things related to costume magic, how he creates it, and he, yeah, it just shows that he's put a lot of effort into it. So it's hard to go wrong to go to Castamatic and send the value for value, and even the Mere Mortals a boost from that. That's a good suggestion.
Another one was it just seems like a business as usual. Dave seems to be working very hard on the node and his boostagram app within the Umbral node. So with Adam's health, of course doing this plus there was some hints more at the comments in the chat and all the different things that they're doing there. So lots of exciting things going on in the podcasting index world and the podcasting 2.01 of the last things here is the boosta Gram lounge and sad seal noises did not get any booster grams this week, so it's a little bit disappointing. Seeing that I'll try and do some sad Neil seal noises Oh and one thing I did want to clarify is that I stuffed up the name twice last week and got it right once for the booster gram that came in so it was Sir twin screw night Sir Tim screw so twin screw so once again a big thanks to him. And once again people if you want the the funny boostagram or lounge or I should say this central boosta gram lounge music if you want to hear more and participate, please please do that. So that is my little spiel there for the boostagram lounge. And then finally, my pro tip for this week, I gotta follow my own advice. So here we go. Here's some tough love from the value for value podcast. The value for value does not work if I don't have people participating and this podcast can't go on it can't I tell you unless there is some participation and for me that is definitely in the form of boostagrams. So the value amount I appreciate every Satoshi that is sent in. But for me the value is really lying in the boostagrams. So the message is getting through because I can know how much you're taking from the boosta gram lounge and from the episodes and my thoughts and the general philosophy on it. So please, people I'm going to guilt you into this we can't continue unless we start getting some boostagrams coming in.
And I'm going to even go further. I'm going to pick on someone in particular so watch out because you'll you'll start getting name dropped in here as well. I was recently chatting with Oscar Murray and I know he listens to this. So Oscar, send in a boostagram mate and I will be forever grateful and it will also help me continue. So that's it. Everyone check out caster Matic checkup fountain FM I know both have a listened recently to Franco on episode 63. And he's obviously putting a lot of work into it. So I'd say it's hard to go wrong there and I chatted with Oscar recently and he is putting a lot of work into the fountain FM app and both of those are fantastic places to send the value for value podcast a boostagram so we hope to see some of the lounge filling up next week people joining in getting some music going some central loving going on in there would be fantastic. So that is it for today. The value of tough love episode 15 everyone thank you for joining me Kyrin out
We need to have a serious chat today, I'm laying down the law. Yes, indeed, welcome everyone to another episode of the value for value podcast. My name is Kyrin. And this is indeed the Podcast where we explore the value for value model, how one can create a relationship with their audience, their listeners, their fans, if you will, and find a way to live in this crazy, crazy world without the need for advertising, or perhaps you want to use it a little bit. But the value for value model is a way of not needing it and creating and connecting with your audience in deeper manner, and being able to be I would even say more truthful with them. But we'll save that for another time. I'm asking a question today, which is how tough do you need to be with your listeners? So this is Episode 15, the value of tough love. Now, where did I get this from? Well, the origin of this was in Episode 63, podcasting 2.0. And there was two things that jumped out at me here. One was Adam's theory, and the other was dazed behavior, putting this into practice. So they were chatting with Franco Solero, who is the owner, the creator of Castamatic one of the very cool podcasting 2.0 apps where you can indeed boost this podcast boost me right now.
That'd be cool. And they were talking about, I guess, just the general methodology of podcasting of podcasting apps. And Adams said something which was sometimes you need to go elsewhere, and perhaps even threaten to get people to participate in the value for value. So he, for example, was saying, sometimes you need to say, hey, this show won't go on unless you help fund it unless you help provide value for me because I need to live in the real world as well. There are expenses for podcasting, hosting for, you know, living a normal life and all those sorts of things. And you could say things like, you know, what these people are douchebags because they're listening, I know, they listen, but they're not participating as well, they're not helping out the show what a douchebag behavior. And maybe even things like, you know, there's a special episode coming up, you might want to send, you know, 16 sets, because it's Episode 16, coming up next week, those sorts of things. So you're almost guilting your audience into, into behaving in certain ways into participating. And the other aspect of this was was then Dave, although this is kind of the reverse, but he was showing the the behavior, which was saying to Franco, hey, I really enjoyed participating.
But you've only given me the option of spending $9.99, or whatever it was per year, to use the additional features of the customer recap, I want a $29. One, I want a $59. One, I want options. And now this is the opposite way, indeed. Because normally, it should be Franco saying, Hey, I'm providing you these other options. I need you to participate, or the customer gap could go away, I can't continue to do all of this just on my own without any help, I need your help, please help participate in this. So I guess what it was just getting out there, which is something a little bit maybe even distasteful if you're looking at it from a without a nuanced view, which is, oh, you're you're trying to force people to do certain things. And you're doing this with the stick rather, rather than with the carrot, you're saying, Hey, do this thing, or bad things will happen? Or, you know, I'm going to guilt you into this because you're not doing this, etc, etc.
So some of the questions that were raised for me was okay, when does it become entitlement or bullying? Perhaps when you're, you're forcing your listeners to do certain things. Obviously, it's a little bit funny, because you're doing it through the microphone. But hey, people can get really addicted to stuff and there's cult leaders out there who aren't even in physical communication with their, with their culties if you're if that's what they're called, I'm not really sure. Another one would be okay, it's bad, but it's for the greater good. And you can see this sort of thinking could lead to very bad situations indeed, because you just say, oh, you know what, I'll just do that do that extra thing. I'll Doc's this person because they're not participating in the show, an extreme example, but once again, you can see how the slippery slope argument would would work in this case. And another one would be simply will it drive people away? Will me you know, showing, I suppose negative, creating those negative stimulations and people would that actually people drive people away from my show, would this make my show more unwatchable? Would this not create the behavior that I want from them, which is something you could say is inherently good, which is to provide value and giving and taking life?
Everyone knows that it's better to give than receive or we all say that, and some people follow it, some don't. But that's the general principle. So what what can we do with all these questions? Well, I have thought of some rules of thumb. So here's a couple of rules of thumbs that I thought would maybe shed some light on this and maybe how To answer these in an indirect way, so a couple of things that came up for me was number one, it probably needs to be sustainable. So, if you feel bad, or you dread doing it, that's kind of like an old situation, you might need to look out for that. So if you are, you know, doing a normal podcast, and then you're getting to the episode, end of the episode, and you're like, Oh, God, now comes a section where I need to call people out for being douchebags because they're not participating, or if they are, you know, trying to guilt them into doing certain things, and you feel really bad about that. And you just dreading that sort of situation, I think that would leak into your show and into your general persona and your, your general outlook of, of what you're doing. And if that's what's happening, that's, that's unsustainable, you need to find a different way to do it. So for perhaps for some people, the, the yelling, the threatening the swearing, might not work for you just as a person. And so you need to maybe look at different ways. And maybe you need to do something a bit more subtler, or maybe you need to really just emphasize the carrot, hey, I've got this cool new feature, I do this for you, I do that for you, please, please, it would really help etc, etc. Another rule of thumb that I thought of was maybe introspect your feelings and thoughts. So why would be the reason that you wouldn't be doing this, for example, some people are just more argumentative and combative by nature. This is you can look at the personality traits, the Big Five and it would probably fall under extraversion and agreeableness. So the, if you're more agreeable, you're not going to be wanting to do these things. So me, for example, I could just say, I know this about myself, I hate conflict. I really dislike when people are arguing near me on TV on screens. Like I don't like drama, for example, that sort of genre just does not appeal to me at all. Why would I want to watch something that raises my stress levels through the roof and things like that? Now, I could then ask, okay, but am I avoiding doing something that?
Am I avoiding doing this just because I don't like conflict? Because just because I don't like conflict doesn't mean that conflict is bad. And then it's not necessary in my life. Sometimes you need to have tough discussions and arguments indeed, with your, with your loved ones, with the spouse with your friends. You know, communication is, is pretty critical. And you can't have clear communication without, you know, ruffling some feathers sometimes. So introspecting, and looking deep. And that's something I need to do for sure. And going, huh, am I not doing this because I just don't like doing it. And I don't want to spend the time required to get comfortable saying things and doing things that just aren't inherently something that comes in my nature. So that's another one there. I would say experimentation doesn't hurt anyone. So if you're thinking off the go, or this is going to drive people away, it's going to ruin my show, as it's probably not, if you've done, you know, what's the mere mortals up to now where and somewhere around the 250 range of episodes plus another couple of 100 for different other things. I think your audience would probably know by now what sort of person you are. And so if you start behaving, behaving in a certain way, in with a very, very slight change and showing, hey, this thing is happening now. And this is the reason why and I'm going to just start doing this, you're not going to drive people away unless they were already there for other circumstances, like you're doing free giveaways all the time or something else. So I would say that the experimentation really doesn't hurt. And in fact, you almost need to do it because there's the I think it's a classic Einstein quote or Thomas Edison where it's you know, if you do something 1000 times over and you expect different results from it, and you do it the exact same way that's insanity, that's just being crazy. So you know what, maybe you do need to try doing something different and calling people out on their, their lacking behavior and their own participation in the value for value model, which you're probably integrating into your show if this is if you're listening this far into the the this value for value episode.
Another one might be listened to and review. So this is a pretty critical one. And I talked about this in one of the latest musings of meanderings of my show the mere mortals. So this would have been episode 246 When we're talking about metrics, and so one and I really like to go back and look at things you know, how many pushups did I do this week? How long will my handstands How much did I eat? What is my weight and waist and tracking things? And so applying the same sort of behavior, listening to some of your own episodes with the You'd have maybe a week slag. So you've got a bit of a distance between you and what was said and how you were behaving then and you can go hmm, you know what? Maybe I came across too harshly, then maybe I need to dial it down a little bit. Maybe I shouldn't call out someone by name. Maybe I need to say it in this certain way. Maybe I need to add more human things like that. So what did the you know? How do you come across? And then also, what did the numbers say? You could then start tallying stuff up.
Okay. I was introducing some tough love this week, I was laying down the law. And I saw some more participation the next week or the weeks after, okay, maybe this is something I need to investigate more. Another one, and my last one would be adopt a long Outlook. So spend more time looking in just the future. And this is tying in, I guess, into the sustainability. Should I be doing this with more humor? Is this a bombardment or am I just sprinkling it in things like that, so it's just a little bit here and there and it's nothing too crazy. Now onto the podcast, index news and everything going on with podcasting 2.0. Episode 63 was the latest one, and I just gotta say, Franco was a great guy. He's very, very funny, multitalented and he obviously cares deeply deeply about his creation and cosmetic. It was really cool just listening to him and then riffing off on all things related to costume magic, how he creates it, and he, yeah, it just shows that he's put a lot of effort into it. So it's hard to go wrong to go to Castamatic and send the value for value, and even the Mere Mortals a boost from that. That's a good suggestion.
Another one was it just seems like a business as usual. Dave seems to be working very hard on the node and his boostagram app within the Umbral node. So with Adam's health, of course doing this plus there was some hints more at the comments in the chat and all the different things that they're doing there. So lots of exciting things going on in the podcasting index world and the podcasting 2.01 of the last things here is the boosta Gram lounge and sad seal noises did not get any booster grams this week, so it's a little bit disappointing. Seeing that I'll try and do some sad Neil seal noises Oh and one thing I did want to clarify is that I stuffed up the name twice last week and got it right once for the booster gram that came in so it was Sir twin screw night Sir Tim screw so twin screw so once again a big thanks to him. And once again people if you want the the funny boostagram or lounge or I should say this central boosta gram lounge music if you want to hear more and participate, please please do that. So that is my little spiel there for the boostagram lounge. And then finally, my pro tip for this week, I gotta follow my own advice. So here we go. Here's some tough love from the value for value podcast. The value for value does not work if I don't have people participating and this podcast can't go on it can't I tell you unless there is some participation and for me that is definitely in the form of boostagrams. So the value amount I appreciate every Satoshi that is sent in. But for me the value is really lying in the boostagrams. So the message is getting through because I can know how much you're taking from the boosta gram lounge and from the episodes and my thoughts and the general philosophy on it. So please, people I'm going to guilt you into this we can't continue unless we start getting some boostagrams coming in.
And I'm going to even go further. I'm going to pick on someone in particular so watch out because you'll you'll start getting name dropped in here as well. I was recently chatting with Oscar Murray and I know he listens to this. So Oscar, send in a boostagram mate and I will be forever grateful and it will also help me continue. So that's it. Everyone check out caster Matic checkup fountain FM I know both have a listened recently to Franco on episode 63. And he's obviously putting a lot of work into it. So I'd say it's hard to go wrong there and I chatted with Oscar recently and he is putting a lot of work into the fountain FM app and both of those are fantastic places to send the value for value podcast a boostagram so we hope to see some of the lounge filling up next week people joining in getting some music going some central loving going on in there would be fantastic. So that is it for today. The value of tough love episode 15 everyone thank you for joining me Kyrin out
