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I hope you're feeling freaky because today were diving into the esoteric.

In Ep #25 were covering how Brando Sellers and Jake Hider use v4v on their show The SLIEK Podcast. A unique aspect they bring is the implementation of leaderboard, showing who has contributed to the show and encouraging participation by turning it into a game (with prizes as well).


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Hope you're feeling freaky because today we're diving into   the esoteric   welcome everyone to another session of the value for value   podcast. My name is Kyrin, I'm the host of obviously this   podcast but also the mere mortals, mere mortals book   reviews. And this is the podcast where we dive into people who   are sort of in the podcasting 2.0 world and really diving into   the value for value model. So that is essentially the model of   asking for return of value from your listeners, your supporters,   your producers, if you want to call them that, instead of going   the traditional route of chucking advertising or using a   paywall also, in front of your in front of your work and sort   of limiting your message and I would just say creating a worse   off product overall. So what I like to do is I like to   highlight podcasts that I think are doing some cool things and   might have some I'll do like a little deconstruction analysis   of what they're doing good maybe what they're doing bad if I see   anything and it's also just a generally good tool for podcast   discovery. So today we have the sleek podcast also known as the   strangest life I've ever known. This is a podcast created by two   fellas called Brando sellers and Jake Haida are read from their   little about page what they like to talk about themselves. So   sleep comes from this is the strangest life I've ever known,   which is a quote from one of my all time favorite artists, Jim   Morrison. This quote speaks volumes about the world we live   in today and how we are affected by advances in science,   technology, medicine, spirituality and more. The Sikh   podcast encompasses everything this strange life. The strange   thing called life brings our way No, no holds barred here. So and   then they just talked about how they just get into these topics.  

So I will even just read off a couple of the the podcast   episodes I guess. So we've got the hermetic order electric   church 27 Club, Falun Gong, corporate greed and cults, time   travel, parallel universes, the Mandela Effect, deep fake AI   avatars simulation theory, the list goes on and on and on. So   funnily enough, these guys actually have a very similar   dynamic to how Juan and I run our podcasts in the in the sense   that, that there's one guy who's really active This is Brando in   terms of diving in, he's more the one who controls owns the   podcast as I as I can tell. And so he's the one who's really   found out about podcasting 2.0 and dived in into that world.  

And he's very active on all of the places. Now, the they have   released, they're up to episode 24 At the moment, and funnily   enough, you can only go back to Episode 13. From what I can   tell. And this is where it's got the new co host, Jake, Jake   Haida heida, apologies for mispronouncing that, which was   released on the 15th of March of 2022. So only, I don't know,   like, three, three months ago, roughly. And this is when   they've they sort of re kicked off the podcast, I guess, or   Brando re kicked off the podcast. And they they started   diving into this more found out podcasting. 2.0 very quickly,   and she's just, yeah, 100% in the episodes, from what I can   tell in lengthwise, they usually go pretty long. So there's a   couple of sort of hours, from what I can tell the the latest   episodes I'm looking at is two hours in length, Aaron 52. And   yeah, that, like I said, the topics, you're gonna get a bit   of everything. So don't be surprised by what you find in   there, I guess. So let's go on to the value for value   implementation, how do they implement value for value in   their podcasts? What are some of the things that they're doing?  

Now I'll first just say that with a really long podcast, you   do have to make a spur some decisions on what you're going   to do in terms of value for value? Because it can be I   guess, a bit of a mixed up view, I would say you almost have more   options, in a sense, because you can decide where do you want to   put it right at the start, you want to put in the middle? Do   you want to leave it at the end? Now, I am not sure what the   general consensus is of the whole podcasting landscape in   terms of listeners of how much they really enjoy the value for   value section. So there's some like the no agenda show where   they they make a big deal out of it. They have two sections. Adam   likes to say there's a Adam curry. This is like to say, you   know, it produces so much content that   it's it's genuinely interesting for the listeners. And everyone   loves hearing their name being said. So if you've supported,   you're waiting out for that section in particular, others   who are perhaps not contributing directly to the podcasts like   that, they might skip over it so you do have to make make some   strategic decisions, I guess, is how I just end up this section.  

So generally, from what I can tell, they, you know, they've   only done 24 episodes and 12 of those are sort of, from a   previous era. So they're not even sort of worth talking   about, in this sense. The they seem to do it I'd say roughly   about a half hour in is the general thing. So they'll   they'll start talking about not only booster grams, but also   updates to podcasting. 2.0 different apps, other podcast   shout outs, examples of how they, you know, implementing   tags or using things. So there's a whole section of stuff going   in. And this is from Episode 23, or roughly 47 minutes in of just   an example of their value for value section.  

So now we're into the shout out section once again, and we're   making improvements in our sleep freak area, we have a few new   sleep freak members because of the booster gram donations we've   been receiving it. On our last show, we read off our first two   booster grams from chyron and metus. And they have joined the   sleek freak discord chat now, that's the first level feature   that we're giving to any of our boosters or people that send   some value our way. So now we have several sleep freak   members. And for this episode, we actually have a couple more   booster grams to read off, I thought we were gonna get   skunked. But here we are, again with a couple more. So first   off, we got this booster gram from Peter Cameron mentioned   your show on his show, glad he did. And I did notice an   increase in downloads and like website activity and things   since that episode of mere mortals where Chiron gave us   that good shout out on the show. So I really appreciate that. And   it's, it's reaching other people, we're getting new   followers because of it. And it just goes to show how awesome   value for value is even for podcasters. Because chyron   boosted us, we mentioned him. And then I went back and boosted   his show because I enjoy his show. And I felt like sending   the value back. So he read off my boosted gram. And then he   also kind of went into depth about our show and told people   about it, and they're going to check it out. So I mean, that's   just another great way for podcasters to contribute value   to each other. It's not even just between the listener and   the podcaster. It's really cool how that's working out. And   yeah, so that's a perfect example of of the value for   value that didn't particularly read out a booster gram per se.  

But they could subsequently go on to do that. So their value   for value section, sometimes that goes over like, I don't   know, 1020 minutes long, because they're talking about the haps   they're talking about, you know, not not just simply reading off   the booster grams, it's it's not like it's a I've got to get this   thing done. Also, how helps when you don't have potentially   hundreds, like you do on the no agenda show. But But yeah, he   highlights some really great things there. You know, one,   it's just the sort of circular podcasting economy if you're   really active in it, if you're looking out for other people,   I'll give them a shout out, they shout out shout out me, they've   given me content now, because I'm doing their show on another   show of mine. So, you know, it's, it's really fun to, to   sort of be part of it. And you know, I was the first one to   booster ground them, for example. And I remember the   first message of sort of like kind support, I think it was   just like a simple review someone left on Apple podcasts   back in 2019, for the Miyamoto show. And you know, I'm always   going to remember that because they were the first they were   the first to like really do something cool. So that's,   that's a really, really nice section. Something that I've   noticed there is the calling the sort of supportive, sleek, sleek   freaks, which I think is cool. That's another thing that you   can take from the orgy like Adam curry and John C. Dvorak, um,   no, no agenda. They they, you know, you create a tribe, you   create names for people. So in on our show, for example, we say   Mere Mortalites there on on this on the SLIEK podcast, they're   obviously calling them sleek freaks. And I'll go into a in   the unique section about something how they're even   taking that to the next level as well. But what I yeah, that's   just I suppose the the general overview of how they do their   value for value implementation, right at the end of their shows   as well. They typically have a, you know, a small little segment   just reminding hey, if you've reached this far, I would really   appreciate if you could return the value of some sort. And   that, you know, constant pepper brings in now the good thing   about a show like this, which is so long and so freeform is it's   relatively easy. Due to bring up it's not like it needs to be,   you know exactly at half an hour, we're gonna do this, it's   sort of, you know, we're transitioning into this is where   the conversation is going. Let's bring it up and do it like this.  

So that's, that's a, I suppose a general overview of of what   they're doing. Now something unique that they've, they've   been doing this is actually something I've stolen from them.   So I'll play this little clip here, and then I'll explain a   little bit more. This is from Episode 24, roughly about 28   minutes in,   yeah, level one, you get access to our sleek freak discord   servers. So you if you send at least 500 sets, you're in level   one, you get access to the sleek freak Discord server, and it was   kind of dead for a while, it still isn't like the most   happened in place. But we got Peter in there. And he actually   livened up the chat a little bit and stirred up some activity. So   that was kind of fun. And we just been interacting with like,   metus in there a little bit too. And I sent out some, like, I've   been working on some different merch I want to give out for   sleek, free giveaways and things. And I said, like, some   little mock ups of the different designs I've been thinking   about. So the sleek freaks kind of get some exclusive content,   like stuff we might not even use, you know, I kind of maybe   want their opinion, to see, hey, is this something that would be   cool? Or does it suck or whatever. So the discord chat is   pretty sweet. Level two is 25,000 Satoshis in total, and   you get all the perks of level one plus, we're going to send   you a sleek freak sticker in a sleek freak member card. And I   got the test prints of the member cards that we're working   on. And I wasn't really 100% happy with it. I was like, Oh   man, I should have went with the sticker cardstock. I did like   the in between, because I don't want it super thin. But then I   didn't think it needed to be the thickest, but I don't want it to   feel like some chintzy like piece of junk. When someone gets   it. You know, I want them to think like, oh, this member   cards like kind of a cool thing. So and the test prints I did,   they didn't really trim it that well, I sent you a little   picture, you didn't get to see it in person. But when that   might be cool, it's jumping on a bit here. And level four, and   50,000 SATs and total don't not donations value sent. I've been   trying not to say donation and I just about fucked up there. So   I'm calling myself out. But once you've reached 150,000, sets and   value that you've sent us, you get all the other perk levels,   of course, and you get an exclusive sleek freak t shirt,   the only way you can get this sleek freak t shirt is to reach   this level, it's not something that we're going to have   available to buy. It's not something I'm just going to give   out to anybody that wants one or no, you have to get to the level   for sleek freak and you get this exclusive shirt. And   yeah, so there's a I suppose a general overview of how they're   implementing, I guess the incentivizing people to send in   some not donations, but support, as you mentioned, there, that's   something I trip up on, you know, every now and then as   well, it's it happens. So a couple of things of note, there   is one the different levels, I skipped over level three, which   was sort of intermediary between I believe it was the 25,000 and   the 150,000. But that's a really cool idea of of, you know,   taking, you know, gamifying it, I guess now on no agenda, Adam   curry does this a lot as well. And they've, they've sort of got   a whole whole culture culture over there. But it's about   implementing it for your own show, and what you think people   would would like to see. And one of the things that they they've,   they're doing but wasn't particularly announced in this,   this little section is the you have the lizard king, which is   the the person who has donated the most. So I think this is a   really cool aspect, which is, you know, you can you can prove   your support, in a way it's sort of like, if you want to look at   it in a bad way. It's almost like virtue signaling. It's   like, hey, hey, look at me Look at me. But but also in another   way, it's, it's, it's a showing of appreciation. And it's an   it's like, you know,   so much of life is about status and, and, and proving that you   have status. And you can do this in a myriad of different ways.  

Not everyone has to be an athlete or stupidly, handsomely   good looking, some of that's genetic, and you can't do   anything about that. But this is one of the cool ways where it's   like, you know what, I want to be the lizard king. And so this   is what I actually did. And one of the one of the things that   I've even noticed just from this in my own behavior was I was I   was sitting around I think it was like ninth on the   leaderboard because I only just sent him that One booster gram a   couple of weeks ago, and I saw, you know what, like, it's within   my reach pretty easily to become the lizard king, at least for a   little bit like I don't, I don't need to have the title forever,   but you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna do it. And so I threw, I   threw, I think it was like 30,000 35,000 SATs, their way to   make sure that I became king of the leaderboard. And you'll see   this in the, in the chapter art as well. But that that sort of   highlighting, I guess, like, who's winning as well can create   that little bit of a competition. So Peter, for   example, you know, I edged him out by a couple 1000 SATs, and,   you know, maybe he'll, he'll re up that, and maybe that'll   incentivize me in the future as well. It'd be like, ah, you   know, that's only 6000 SATs. And I like being number one, you   know, that's kind of fun. So that that sort of aspect of not   only creating the leaderboard, but really showcasing it as   well, I hadn't particularly seen that elsewhere. And so that's   actually something Juan and I have borrowed, stolen, if you   will, for our own podcast, the mere mortals podcast. So now we   have a dedicated page on our, on our website, where it highlights   not only everyone, there's a big list of everyone who's who's   helped contribute, which is starting to get pretty long, I   think it's up to 3035 people plus now, but it really   highlights the top five and then implementing if you remember   from the bowl after bowl podcast, where they were giving   links out to the their supporters. We've also included   links from for like the top five people. So if you get in the top   five, your your picture, I guess your whatever, however you want   to show yourself. So PETA, for example is a picture of a cute   little kid and Dave Jones is have this sort of psychedelic I   don't know, face with swelling colors and stuff. And we've   we've included a link, Oscar Mary has, you know, a picture of   him, which he uses sort of everywhere for the fountain app   and things like that. And yeah, we've included links. So now, if   someone goes on there, you know, they might be like holy shit,   who's this mad dude who's supporting the the memorials   podcast I've seen, I've heard that name being mentioned quite   a few times in the booster Graham section, I'm going to   click on the link and find out where that goes. So I think   that's a that's kind of like two, two aspects from two   different shows that, that I've personally taken and well wanted   most of the work. So kudos to one on, on implementing that,   and, and taking something from another show that you see is   doing well and going like, you know what I'm gonna do this.  

And, look, all I can say is from my own behavior, the table of   support, incentivize me to give more than I probably normally   would, because my normal boosting amount is a lot lower   than 30,000. Because I don't have enough sets to be boosting   30,000 Every single time. So that's a really cool thing, that   they're doing something unique, you know, they've got the   shirts, they've got these different levels. So maybe   you're just like, oh, man, I'd really like to have a sticker or   a membership card, you know, fuck it, I'll throw in a little   bit more just to make sure I reach that level. Another thing   they're doing as well, which is, I suppose unique to them as they   are like the rapidity, the speed rapidity, the rapidness of their   onboarding onto podcasting. 2.0 is insane. Like they, they're   self hosting within a couple of episodes there. On cast apod   they're using all the chapter images that are the they've even   created something called seek media, which I looked on and has   a couple of different other podcasts, really just   highlighting like, Hey, this is how you use a podcasting 2.0   app, hey, this is how you can you know, booster gram Satoshis   and things like that. So going far and beyond to really spread   the message, which I think is really cool of them. And if   you're the one spreading the message if you're at the   forefront i i imagine it as long as you're not doing it in a you   know, spammy ways, as long as you're not annoying people with   it. I think though, they'll reap the benefits from that. So very   much kudos to Brando and, and to Jake, the podcast is is cool,   you know, now, the value for values and everything you need.  

You've got to have a cool podcast to go along with it. So   you've got to really enjoy that that takes on site science,   technology, medicine, spirituality, all of those sorts   of things. So it's the backbone of the show is really what you   do uniquely and whatnot. And value for value goes on top of   that to to really highlight that. So just because you create   a leaderboard doesn't mean that that people are going to, to,   you know, immediately want to be top of the leaderboard. It's   it's good to have that backbone as well have something a great   product behind it as well. So very cool. Thank you very much   fellas for that I'm gonna now go into my own little section of   the booster gram lounge   Welcome to the value for value booster gram welcome welcome   everyone to the booster gram lounge This is where we get into   some of the booster grams for this show and men I've had a   it's it's tipping up it's dipping up in terms of the   amount coming in and also the the I suppose volume of people   the numbers of people so I'm just going to jump right into to   the first one here which is from see lewd sent on fountain 1208   SATs. Wonder what that number is for 12 away not sure. Anyway, he   says Hey yo, Could you review my podcasts the most recent episode   is the one that uses the most podcasting 2.0 features and as   the best example of what I can currently do audio wise and   segment wise, here's a link to the podcast that includes a   little link there. It's called the cord cast Many thanks and   keep up the other podcast reviews helps me to find new   shows to listen to thank you very much see loot. Yes, I will   do that. That's bang on the top now that'll be for next week.  

Peter comes in and he says so this is the infamous Peter who   was a boosting maniac. He's He's all over the place. He sends   1667 sets and he says as an avid digestor of podcasting 2.0   podcasts. I love this podcast because it saves me a bunch of   time figure out what I do and what I don't want to spend my   time listening to Thanks, Karen. Bang on man. Thanks. Hey, that's   two comments in a row talking about that. Mary Oscar 3750 cent   using fountain as was pitas he says another great episode   current keep it up I'm learning so much. Hate much appreciated   Oscar another one. What was that that was like four hours later   so so he sent out for the bowl after bowl. This one's for the   last spring family audio. He says another great episode 3750   hate much appreciate it. And then none other than Jake Haida   from the sleek podcast sent using curio caster. He sends 836   sets and he says Who is John Galt, of course, who is the   mysterious John Galt. So that was from the secular foxhole,   referring, of course to n. rands work and in particular Atlas   Shrugged where the constant question of The Book keeps   coming up Who is John Galt who is this mysterious character you   know doing all these cool things and somewhat saving the world so   bang on Hey everyone, thank you so much for for sending that in.  

My numerology is shot house, I have no idea what what any of   the mean, I could try and decipher that the   not not I got nothing. I got nothing. But hey, everyone very   much appreciate it. And I see some streaming amounts here as   well. Oscar Murray stream 900 SATs big streamer. Thank you   very much. Brandon has also been streaming like tons of people   are streaming in, in, in in Satoshis, as well. So all of   those are meant like this is you know, it's it's really   heartening. It's really heartening. I do appreciate it.   And, you know, I'm, I will continue the show to try and   make it the best I can. It once again, I'm always looking for   recommendations, this is my value for value. Ask for today,   I guess. I'm always looking for recommendations or a feedback on   how I can make the show better. So if you would prefer to hear   less talking from me, if you'd maybe prefer me to include some   segments in the one thing I was thinking about was including a   suppose a little segment right at the start showcasing just the   general content of the show because I've only been playing   the value for value segments. But if if people are using this   as a as a podcast discovery tool, how I'll include the you   know, a little section at the front of other people, if you   want me to reduce the show length because I seem to be I   originally thought this would maybe be like 10 minutes long   when I was doing it but it's pretty consistently getting up   into the low 20s. So if if you think I should lengthen it,   shorten it, keep it the same. I'm open to all of these   suggestions. Best way to do that is via booster Graham. There's   two apps which I mentioned today, fountain and curio caster   pod verse has also included now the ability to booster Graham   from your desktop as well which is really cool with a with a   little extension called Albea a LBY. And there's a couple of   other apps which all can do this cosmetic if you're on an iOS   device, pod friend if you're on your desktop or even on your   mobile phone, you can do that. I believe there's a another one oh   two that I'm missing as well, you can use the extension. What?  

What's it called is there's an x as pod station, you can use the   pod station extension, which is a extension for Chrome, I   believe. And that is also a way of streaming, not not boosting,   but streaming. So lots of plenty of suggestions there of how you   can contribute to the show and but more importantly, to give me   some feedback, so that's what I'm really looking for at the   moment. I'm really I want to make this the most useful I can   for for everyone listening in. So thank you, everyone. Thank   you very much for for joining in. I hope you have gotten some   inspiration to be a little bit more sneaky. A little bit more   freaky from from this episode, and until the next time, ciao.